September 18, 2025 • 44 mins
The divide between political ideologies in America runs deeper than most realize, and in this raw, unfiltered conversation, Carmen and Andrea break down what actually defines liberalism and conservatism beyond the superficial party labels.
Using a brilliant analogy, they explain how ideologies are like phone operating systems (iOS vs Android) while political parties are just the apps running on them—helping listeners understand why someone might identify as a Democrat yet hold conservative views on certain issues. This fundamental misunderstanding about what shapes our political landscape sits at the heart of our increasingly polarized society.
The hosts don't shy away from challenging topics, tackling everything from the Jimmy Kimmel censorship controversy to the failure of trickle-down economics. They make a compelling case that America functions as a center-right nation where the Democratic Party operates largely as a center-right institution while the Republican Party has shifted toward extremes. Most provocatively, they confront how racism serves as the foundation upon which American politics has always operated, noting that defensive reactions to discussions of systemic racism often reveal more about the listener than the speaker.
Their conversation dispels common myths about government assistance programs and immigration, revealing that 37% of SNAP benefit recipients are white Americans—contradicting narratives about who receives government help. They also highlight the hypocrisy in immigration rhetoric, noting that visa overstays from predominantly white countries rarely face the same scrutiny as border crossings from Latin America.
Whether you're politically engaged or just trying to make sense of the ideological battles shaping our country, this episode offers refreshing clarity without the partisan spin. Join us each week for these candid conversations, and tune in Friday nights at 6PM Pacific/9PM Eastern for our more casual, politics-free community discussions where selected listeners can even join the conversation.
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Carmen Lezeth (00:08):
Hey everyone, welcome to All About the Joy.
This is Culture, in Consequencewith Carmen and Andrea.
I think one of the things thatI'm starting to realize is that
I want this to be more about usjust having a conversation, as
opposed to like I just did allthis research and I'm kind of
like, okay, I don't want, Idon't research before I get on
the phone with you.
(00:29):
You know what I mean.
Andrea (00:30):
You know what that's funny?
I did too, because and ofcourse I'd never do that before
a phone call.
But I do think that it'simportant, if we are going to
talk about things and put themout there, that we do need to be
factual.
It's different when it's justme and you shooting the shit,
right, right.
You know, if I stretch thetruth on something or whatever,
(00:53):
it's not like you're going tocome back and be like listen
here, I mean, you might.
Carmen Lezeth (00:57):
Yes, I am Like if I disagree with you, well, at
least something that you agreewith is like yeah, fuck that.
Andrea (01:03):
Right agree with you At least something that you agree
with.
You're like yeah, fuck that.
You know what I mean.
So I do think that there issome importance to that, but
also I don't want it to be likewe're trying to teach a class,
necessarily, you know Right.
Carmen Lezeth (01:11):
Unless I was being paid to then.
Andrea (01:13):
I'd be totally fine with that, but.
Carmen Lezeth (01:15):
I mean, I think that's kind of where this is
falling, and yet I told youwe've gotten a lot of feedback.
Know what I should probablystart with?
Um, see, this is what I mean.
Like even doing that, like likewelcome to all, about the joy
I'm covering your host, this isculture and consequence, like I
have to come up with a betterway to kind of just I think I'm
going to do like a stagnant part.
(01:36):
You know what I mean.
Like oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,insert it in, because I think it
takes away from my flavor withyou and stuff.
So, yeah, that sounded stupid,but you know what I mean.
So so I wanted to talk about theJimmy Kimmel thing for a minute
.
Yeah, uh, and I can't tell youhow many people think I work for
Jimmy Kimmel, which is so funny, just like I have a hat and a
(01:57):
t-shirt and people like, do youwork for Jimmy Kimmel?
Um, here's the thing even if Idid, I wouldn't tell you, but I
really want people to go andwatch the episode that Sinclair,
who owns all multimedia crap,and the Trump administration are
(02:19):
saying was like the be all endall of what he said about
Charlie Kirk, and that's whythey took him off the air.
I I I don't normally watchJimmy Kimmel, not because I'm
working for him and see him allday.
I do not work for Jimmy Kimmel.
I see it the first time.
I see it the first time.
Right, I do not work for JimmyKimmel, but, um, it's like I'm
(02:44):
winking now.
I'm just kidding.
I like confusing the fuck outof people.
Here's the point.
He didn't say anything that wasnot said by other people, or
pretty much on point, basically.
But what was amazingly profoundto me was what he said about
(03:05):
Donald Trump, like how much heis.
And then I went back andwatched like four or five other
episodes and I was just amonologue and I was like this is
what this is about.
Is this thin-skinned man whocan't take responsibility for
his own bullshittery can't takeresponsibility for his own
bullshittery?
I mean the line that JimmyKimmel says and I'm paraphrasing
(03:25):
but he's like so your reallygreat friend has passed away and
they, you know, point thecamera to Donald Trump and ask
about him and he starts talkingabout a ballroom.
Yeah, To look at for people whodon't get it.
Andrea (03:43):
He cares about no one but himself and like.
Why that is so hard for peopleto see is an absolute mystery to
me.
Carmen Lezeth (03:54):
You're not talking about Jimmy Kimmel,
you're talking about Trump.
I am, yes, and he's just.
I mean, he eviscerates him.
Jimmy Kimmel eviscerates himover and over and over again.
But it's almost like, isn't?
I remember watching JohnnyCarson with my mother and I was
so young.
But that's what they do Like,and the more you resist it, the
(04:17):
more they're going to do it,like if he just brushed it off
and like was I know he's notcapable, I know Donald Trump is
not capable of being like thebigger person and being like
these are fucking comedians,right, I don't know, impressive.
Andrea (04:35):
Yeah, they're.
They meaning the administration, the regime, um are seeing what
they can get away with andturns out, surprise, surprise,
they can get away with a lot.
Because, turns out, surprise,surprise, very few people are
(04:58):
actually brave and courageousand have a backbone and even
have integrity.
Carmen Lezeth (05:05):
Okay, but is it brave and courageous to care
about our constitution, and isthat?
I guess that's what it isApparently Right.
Andrea (05:16):
I mean, and I'm talking business people, right, I'm
talking Okay, but isn't thatabout money?
That's not about bravery, I'mtalking about, you know um, bob
eiger.
Hi, I'm sure you're watchingdisney um or other business
people.
I'm talking about tim cookapple you know, yeah, all of the
(05:40):
tech guy, I, I mean whateverthose guys, but you know their
interests are solely economic.
So caring about theconstitution, caring about
democracy, caring about theeconomic state, frankly, of the
(06:01):
entire planet, is a bridge toofar as long as you get yours
today.
Carmen Lezeth (06:07):
And I think it's even evident with the whole
Epstein-File debacle.
I mean listening to Kash Patel,seriously, they're just all
like.
I have never said this before.
It's a plan you know, andrea,you know me.
I'm pretty humble with mytalents.
You know what I mean, exceptwhen it comes to like dancing,
(06:28):
which I haven't done in so manyyears.
But like I'm humble, right, butI am telling you right now in
which case, we should all berunning the government right.
That's what I'm saying, like Ishould, I could run the fbi, I
could run the pentagon I could,and it's not even like a lie.
Andrea (06:44):
Give me the Department of Education.
I mean, yeah, imposter syndromeshould be absolutely a thing of
the past.
Not a single person on thisplanet should be looking at
anything and thinking like Idon't know, I can't do it.
Carmen Lezeth (07:02):
Right, no, kash Patel is so incompetent, I mean.
But you know what, look.
Anyways, I don't want to gothere.
But I just shooketh at thatwhole hearing, which I watched
way too much of, because I waslike this what the whole time?
Andrea (07:20):
I do, I don't know, I do I, I don't know.
I go in phases where I'm like,all right, I need to see some of
this, just to like, see it withmy own eyes.
And then, like I'm in a phaseright now where, like I, I can't
even you know you are notfeeling good, huh yeah, well,
it's funny.
Um, it's on the way out, but,yeah, all right.
(07:41):
Um, what I've been doingrecently, what I did, actually
after our last call.
So over the weekend I watched adocumentary on Winston
Churchill Problematic dude forsure, like let's just put that
out there, but was a leader, hadsome integrity on some things.
(08:01):
Integrity on some things, um,um, another one on roosevelt fdr
.
Wow, I haven't seen.
I've been watching what I'mgonna freely admit is a very
subpar documentary on, um, theroman empire and sort of the
fall of the republic and therise of the empire, and like I
(08:23):
just felt like I need to, like,see some leadership models.
I need to see what happens whenRepublic falls and what comes
after that.
You, like, I just needed tohave something.
So that's what I'm watchinginstead of the hearings and
whatnot.
And what did you learn?
The hearings and whatnot?
(08:49):
And what did you learn?
I have learned that there arevery few brave people in our
midst right now.
There are some, there are some,and I actually I wrote down the
name of one woman that I wantto highlight, since we have a
platform here, that I want tohighlight, since we have a
(09:09):
platform here.
This woman's name is KarinaVilla.
Karina Villa, she's an Illinoisstate rep.
I saw this a few days ago.
She literally ran through herdistrict in her tacones, in her
heels, with her jacket on andher pants, chasing ice out of
like a residence.
Oh.
Carmen Lezeth (09:26):
I know who you're talking about.
I know who you're talking about.
Andrea (09:28):
now Yelling at people to stay in their houses.
You could see the fear and theemotion in her face when she was
talking.
She had her cameraman, hype man, you know, following her and I
was like this.
This is what the people want.
Do not talk to me about taxsubsidies.
Chase ICE out of our goddamnneighborhoods.
(09:51):
If your heels bitch.
Carmen Lezeth (09:54):
I'm still waiting for ICE members to start
realizing what they're doing iswrong.
I know I'm asking way too much.
You know what I mean.
Like my dream, is that not mydream?
But I actually think what'sgoing to make a change is when
actual people start realizingwhat's happening and stop doing
(10:14):
what they're doing to aid andabet this situation.
You know what I mean.
So that would be ICE officers.
But yeah, I don't know.
But anyways, yeah, I amsaddened by the lack of courage.
There's no doubt about it, andI hope that Jimmy Kimmel does
(10:35):
not apologize and, like theSinclair group is asking, he has
to apologize, he has to givethe Charlie Kirk family money.
You know what?
Give the Charlie Kirk familymoney.
You know what I mean To dosomething.
Yeah, I read the whole letter.
I was like what is it?
And then at the end they'relike and we're still not going
to put him back on air.
I'm like, oh, man.
(10:56):
Okay.
Andrea (10:59):
Sure, you have a podcast tomorrow and blow all of these
mofos out of the water.
If podcast tomorrow and blowall these mofos out of the water
, you know what, if we're at thepoint where we're upset with
comedians and you know that's,we are at that point.
Right, we are at that point.
We are at that point and Ithink you know I'm not one who's
like, and this is a good thingbecause you know, but a lot of
(11:22):
people like Jimmy Kimmel, a lotof people like Jimmy Kimmel, a
lot of people watch Jimmy Kimmel.
That is the kind of thing thatcould potentially wake at least
a few people up, wake people up.
Carmen Lezeth (11:30):
Well, I mean, with Stephen Colbert being taken
off the air as well, but he hasto the end of his contract.
That started it.
But yeah, I mean, I think we'rejust in a really weird space
and I can't believe we're notall inflamed.
I just feel like I'm exhausted,you know, and it's just every
(11:50):
day, and I'm still wonderingwhere the fuck the Epstein files
are.
I'm just saying, where are theEpstein files?
Like seriously, I don't evencare about the Epstein files.
But Kash Patel, straight facedin that meeting, was like
there's nothing, there's nothingin the Epstein files, nothing
at all.
Well, if there's nothing, thenjust what's?
What's the deal Then?
Andrea (12:09):
just like they're not doing themselves any favors I
don't even know what to sayabout that.
Like just put them out thereand whoever is in there take
them down, and I literally don'tcare who it is yeah so we got
feedback which was nice.
Carmen Lezeth (12:27):
Some of it was not nice.
Somebody was like please stopswearing.
What the fuck I was like.
You don't have to watch theshow.
Andrea (12:45):
I was like this is us.
This is literally the way wetalk to each other.
Carmen Lezeth (12:51):
And if you tell someone to not swear who
casually swears on a regularbasis, all I'm going to do is
swear more.
I don't even know, and do younot know me?
Is this your first?
Andrea (13:03):
Is this your first?
Is this your first?
People who swear are moreintelligent than people who
aren't.
This is actually fact.
Carmen Lezeth (13:08):
It is.
That is fact.
Andrea (13:10):
I'll find it for you.
I'll find it.
Carmen Lezeth (13:13):
I'll put it down, not that it's a competition.
Yes, it is.
The other feedback was peoplewanted to know, and when I say
people, I mean Rick Costa.
Rick was like are you guysgoing to really talk about the
differences between Republicanand Democrats and you know to
get more into it?
But first I wanted to startwith talking about what
(13:35):
liberalism and conservatism is,and those are ideologies.
People get confused.
Those are ideologies.
And then I was like maybepeople don't know what ideology
means.
Let's get into it girl.
Andrea (13:49):
I was a poli-sci major for two years.
Carmen Lezeth (13:54):
Okay, well, I'm going to read the definition and
then I'll give an example afteryou say okay, an ideology is a
system of beliefs and valuesthat shape how someone sees the
world.
That's like the easiest way tosay it, and I was going to say
this example because I likethings to be super easy.
So the way I think about it ispretend we're talking about
(14:16):
phones.
Iphones are one ideology.
Android phones are anotherideology, right?
Andrea (14:25):
Yes, that's a very, very good example.
Carmen Lezeth (14:28):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Andrea (14:31):
Thank you, go ahead, I'm sorry.
No, I mean, I think that's agreat way to say it and you know
, and they, they form the basisfor political parties, their
economic and political policies,right, that's.
You know, they're based ondifferent ideologies.
The way you see the world right, they're based on different
(14:52):
ways you see the world.
But also I will call it thoughtleadership, right Academic
writing.
So, for example, karl Marx,rightxism.
He wrote das capital, which wasa criticism of capitalism and
the basis for communism, whichturned out to be the basis for
(15:13):
uh you know, the russianrevolution leading way too deep
for people here yeah, etc.
Carmen Lezeth (15:19):
But I'm just saying like it, I know because,
seriously, all people heard wasthey didn't even make this link.
But they're gonna be socialism,liberalism, that's well, I mean
, but I, I.
Andrea (15:31):
It is important though, to for people to understand.
It's not just values andbeliefs, it's actual philosophy,
written by academics, and you,you know, white guys, right,
it's true, it's true, it'sfactual, I mean so, and that is
the basis for the policies thatthe parties then put out into
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the world.
Carmen Lezeth (15:56):
So so the parties , let's just use Republican and
Democrat.
Yes, there are others, butlet's just use the two party
system.
At the moment.
Those are labels, so those areactual, like that's kind of
going back to my phone analogy.
I get a little deep into this.
That's like the apps Instagram,spotify, whatever.
(16:17):
I'm not promoting any of these,I'm just saying you can have
any of these on either phone, soyou can be a Democrat and be a
conservative, you can be aRepublican and be liberal.
Those things cross over, so youcan do those things.
It's just like having thoseapps.
You can use them on an Androidphone or an Apple phone, so the
(16:39):
apps would be the labels of theDemocrat, republican.
So just to give people adifferent way to look at it.
You know not to go too deepinto the app thing and the phone
thing.
That's the end of it, right.
Andrea (16:51):
Well, I don't want to get too academic, but you know
there's going to get academic,right.
There's the idea of thepolitical spectrum Right, the
idea of the political spectrumright, and so on the right you
have in general conservatism,and on the left you have
liberalism, and the farther yougo out to the sides, the more
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extreme it gets.
Carmen Lezeth (17:16):
So on the right you have, you know, reactionary,
and on the left you haveradical, and then in my opinion,
they meet down at the bottom ina full circle of
authoritarianism where you'vegot fascism and all of that.
So forget the bottom thing atthe moment, because I know that
(17:36):
went too hard for people.
I believe that most people.
This is before Trump, so justunderstand.
This is everything we'retalking about is before trumpism
, because trumpism is a wholeother.
That's at that bottom area,that's on the bottom, that's at
the bottom on that spectrum,which is great.
Like these are the extremes.
And some people would say Iwould say a lot of crazy
(17:58):
christian people are on the far,far right.
You know what I mean.
Like they're, they're teeteringon crazy, not all Christians.
You know who I'm talking about.
You know who I'm talking about,all right.
And then on the left we'd belike I don't know the Bernie
Sanders, what would be anextreme leftist group?
Andrea (18:18):
I don't know.
Well, yeah, I don't even thinkI'd put Bernie Sanders out there
way on the end.
Carmen Lezeth (18:21):
But like, um, really, Okay, you know I hate
Bernie Sanders.
Andrea (18:28):
I'm not a huge fan but I wouldn't put him on the list.
I don't know, like, um, um, youknow some of some of the like
really radical, um, you know,like climate justice or
something like that, pet orsomething like that PETA like
when they were doing the bloodthing and stuff.
Carmen Lezeth (18:45):
They've calmed down since then.
But while we're here, let mejust say I did a TikTok
yesterday and Antifa is not agroup.
I know that Trump has put onhis TikTok or whatever he's
doing, whatever his social mediathing is, he's made Antifa.
Andrea, I know you haven'theard this yet, I know I have.
(19:07):
Oh, you have.
He's made Antifa a terroristgroup.
It's not a group.
It means anti-fascist, it's nota group.
And then they're like it mightbe an ideology.
Yeah, exactly, it might be anideology.
Yeah, exactly, it might be anideology.
Yes, yeah.
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But that's why it's alsogetting confused, because they
are doing everything in theirpower to make the American
people think that they're doingsomething so important and so
valid.
You know like doing thatbecause it sounds like a good
buzzword, but, like I said on myTikTok, it's like I'm
anti-bullying.
(19:49):
You wouldn't make the group aterrorist group because I'm
anti-bullying.
It's the same concept.
It's a thing that we believe.
It's not.
By the way, if you're anAmerican, you should be
anti-fascist.
You should be, everybody shouldbe, everybody should be,
anti-fascist.
Andrea (20:06):
Everybody should be.
Fascism is not a good thing formost people.
Carmen Lezeth (20:11):
It's just, it's so weird because he's having.
I don't think if somebody askedTrump if he knew what fascism
was, that he'd be able to answerit.
Oh no, I don't think I'm beingmean there.
I'm sorry, I think I'm beingpretty honest.
Yeah, so him using that as abuzzword again where are the
(20:33):
Epstein files?
I just want to throw that outthere because that would have
been a great tweet or whateverhe was doing, if he had said by
the way, here are the Epsteinfiles, as opposed to making up
all this crap.
All right, back to liberal andconservative ideologies, but
let's get into what they believe, right?
Kind of sort of Do you want totake the liberal column, because
(20:57):
I know it makes you sick toeven think of the conservatives.
Andrea (21:01):
Yeah, I mean I'm going to be general so you can fill in
some specifics.
But on the left liberal side isprogressivism right, Advancing
the public good throughgovernment action a lot of times
.
So I believe in more governmenthelp, in particular for
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government help, in particularfor vulnerable groups.
Carmen Lezeth (21:30):
It's really, but let's take it one at a time.
I don't want to go down.
I want to, like you, do that.
So liberals believe in thegovernment having more
involvement with the people andhelping people who are
vulnerable falling through the,but also just making sure we
have what we need Right.
Andrea (21:47):
Right, I mean.
So we're talking abouthealthcare, education, you know?
Public goods, libraries, roads,you know?
Carmen Lezeth (21:59):
yeah, that's a good one.
You know that's a good one.
We believe that when we paytaxes and we give it to the
government, the government usesthose taxes to help the greater
good of all the people.
When you hear it that way, Idon't even know how
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conservatives would not agree tothat.
If you want to take care ofyour neighbor, right.
But let me tell you whatconservatives believe.
Conservatives believe actuallylimited government and they
believe in personalresponsibility.
They believe in that whole.
Pull them up by your bootstraps, do it on your own.
Government cannot be involvedin your dealing and giving you
(22:47):
money or helping you.
It's a very weird negative idea.
Andrea (22:52):
Lower taxes, less regulation.
Also like very, very businessfriendly.
Carmen Lezeth (22:59):
But here's the problem.
So let's talk about the problemwith these things.
Because, when it comes tobusinesses, they give tax breaks
to these big corporations, butwe're still paying taxes because
we have to.
It's not like if you're aconservative, you're not going
to pay taxes, right, you'restill going to pay taxes because
they want their money, butthey're taking the money and,
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instead of giving it to peoplewho are falling through the
cracks or whatever, they give itto corporations for tax breaks
and incentives.
Yes, the idea I believe is I wasjust going to say, let's give
them the idea, your favoritetrickle-down theory, right?
Andrea (23:42):
If you have more money in your pocket as an individual
or as a business owner, thenmore money will flow through the
economy and it will trickledown to those who have less.
That is not true.
Carmen Lezeth (24:02):
Well, here's the thing.
In theory it sounds nice.
It means that people who have alot of money would not keep it
for themselves and would insteadshare it.
I mean, if we look at it at thepositive way, that's the idea.
I have so much money that I'mgoing to turn around and I want
to share it with everyone.
(24:23):
Right, let's give it a positivespin.
That would be the trickle downtheory.
I'm going to create jobs, I'mgoing to create other
opportunities, I'm going to helpother people Shop and buy
things yeah Right Shop and buy,move the economy yeah.
But that's not what happens ever, because you always hear about
these golden parachutes, youalways hear about these buybacks
, right, these share buybacks orwhatever.
So what ends up happening isall these rich people take all
(24:44):
this money and they don't createnew jobs.
Andrea (24:47):
They hoard it.
Carmen Lezeth (24:48):
They hoard it and they keep it for themselves and
they they might sprinkle like,once they have so much money,
they might sprinkle it into someother ideas and do a couple of
you know like, oh, I'm going togive some money to blah, blah,
blah, but it's never at theabundance.
That's why I think we havethese people who are
billionaires.
Andrea (25:04):
I really do 100%.
The idea is that the privatesector should fund a lot of
things charitable, even somehealthcare and childcare and all
those kinds of things versusthe government funding those
things, and that it's betterdone that way and sort of along
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the lines of personalresponsibility is the less taxes
you pay, the more say you havein how your money is spent.
Right, for example, if I pay mytaxes right now, I'm not loving
the way those tax dollars arebeing spent Right.
Right, we have no say in it.
Right, we don't really have asay.
Once it goes, it goes and otherpeople are deciding, you know,
(25:49):
and that's whatever.
It is what it is, but that's, Ibelieve, that's the idea is,
you know, you keep more of yourmoney, businesses keep more of
their money, and then privatesector decides where that should
go.
Carmen Lezeth (26:03):
But in the history of this happening, it
has never worked and that's nota lie.
The trickle-down theory hasnever actually worked, which is
why we do have billionaires.
There would be no billionairesif they were of so much giving
of their excess of monies tohelp build and create new jobs
(26:23):
and stuff, but what they do isthey spread it amongst their
friends or their stockholders ortheir shareholders.
I should say you know they weretruly sharing and trickling
down.
Andrea (26:34):
You know their employees would not be on welfare.
Carmen Lezeth (26:40):
Minimum wage would be easily $30 an hour.
You know what I mean.
Andrea (26:44):
Like, there you have like, um, uh, the Walton family
right, Multi-billion, you know,multi, multi-billionaires, and,
um, you know, one of the biggestretailers on the planet and
their workers can't, you know,can't afford life, right, but
(27:05):
here they are living high on thehogs.
So they are not espousing orliving.
You know, people with theWalpins.
The Walgreens Walmart.
Carmen Lezeth (27:18):
They own Walmart.
Andrea (27:18):
That's just one example of it doesn't trickle down.
They keep it for themselves andthey, you know, create family
trust and all kinds of things.
Hey look at, I wish it worked.
Carmen Lezeth (27:32):
I would love the idea that Amazon, jeff Bezos,
had so much money that he wasactually paying his Amazon
drivers enough money so thatpeople could have medical care
and have.
You know what I mean.
Like it would be great if thatactually worked, because then
we'd all be working a livablewage.
But isn't it interesting howwe've been told, how we've been
(27:52):
taught not to make thatconnection Right?
Andrea (27:56):
And like no one is saying put yourself in the poor
house, right.
Like you do not have to go andlive in a hut on a mountain with
one pair of shoes, you knowwhat I mean.
Like you can still have youryacht, bro.
You can still, you know, likehave your crazy ass wedding in
italy or whatever it is that wasso funny, right?
(28:18):
But like you don't have tohoard it.
There's, they have more moneythan they could ever possibly
spend.
Like they really could not.
Carmen Lezeth (28:28):
That is a weird.
That is a weird part of what Ihate about the wealth in the
United States.
I mean, I guess it's around theworld, but you know cause I
always think about like SaudiArabia, whatever, like how, but
that's all about being incontrol, right?
It's a different kind of power.
If it's all about money, youknow it's not authentic power.
(28:49):
I mean, as far as I'm concerned, you know what I mean.
Andrea (28:52):
Like it's not real power , it's not.
And like I mean not to put toofine a point on it, but like you
have more money than God, butyou're still up there kissing
donald trump's ass.
So how powerful are you, yep?
Like you have what they callfuck you money.
Like you don't ever have todeal with any of this, ever, but
(29:13):
you choose to go and kiss thering it's weird because it's a
fake kind of power.
Carmen Lezeth (29:21):
Right, it's a, because to me, real power going
to like we'll have like twoviewers after this, but like
real power are people that walkwith such brilliance that you
like, I think Barack Obama has alot of power.
You know, I think RobertRedford may he rest in sweet
peace a lot of power.
You know people who are sorespected.
(29:42):
You know I don't care what youfeel about Jane Fonda Tons of
power People who are solid inthemselves, who walk their talk
and don't hurt other people.
I can, I'll even say people, andof course I feel like I'm only
naming liberal, but like I thinkabout, even like Warren Buffett
(30:03):
, or I'm trying to think ofother people who have power that
might be.
He's not conservative, he has alot of money.
Mark Cuban is also more on theleft, so all the good people are
on the left.
I don't know, I don't know.
I'm trying to think of aRepublican or a conservative
that I think yields a lot ofkind of power because they're a
(30:25):
good.
Oh, I can name one.
I know you're going to disagree.
May he rest in peace.
But John McCain was, I know, Iknow, but I'm just saying he had
honor and dignity, whether youagreed with him or not, but he
died.
I, I know, and he also broughtus sarah palin, I know, but
that's when he lost some power.
(30:46):
But I'm glad I said had okayhad right right right, I'm
looking, I'm struggling here.
Andrea (30:51):
I know, I know he is a name that popped up for me too,
he isn't but you refuse to sayit.
Carmen Lezeth (30:58):
You were like, wait, I just want to tell
everyone the other day that Idon't think we were on screen.
No, no, because I didn't leaveit in.
But you were like, how bad isit that I wish Chaney was back.
I wanted to capture that moment.
You actually said that Chaneyyeah, that's how bad we're at
right now that Andrea is.
That moment you actually saidthat Chaney yeah, who we love
(31:21):
that's how bad we're at rightnow that Andrea is wishing we
had the problems of theBush-Chaney era.
Andrea (31:28):
Yeah, look at she won't even admit it.
I know I'm not.
I will not, I will not repeat.
Carmen Lezeth (31:36):
So it's just a tough time.
So it's just a tough time, um,I I think that it's hard for
people to understand thatthey're more to the middle than
not.
That's kind of what we weresaying.
We said most people thinkthey're republicans, um, but I'm
gonna say.
Andrea (31:54):
Here's what I, I personally believe.
I believe that the UnitedStates is a center-right country
, so mostly center, but likejust to the right, not like too
far over, but you know, a fairlyconservative country.
Happen to believe that thedemocratic party is a center
(32:23):
right party.
The republican party veers inbetween like conservative and
reactionary, at least, at leastI'm going to say, for most of
our lifetime.
That's where I believe theylived.
Now it's something completelydifferent.
But so when I say that Ibelieve most people are not
Republican, number one it's afact, you know, borne out by the
(32:45):
numbers.
But number two, it's based onthat.
I, like I said, I think UnitedStates is center right and I
believe that the democraticparty is primarily a center
right Party.
Carmen Lezeth (32:56):
Yeah, I.
I mean, I know you want me tofight with you.
I'm not going to fight with youon that, because I've always
called myself a conservativeDemocrat, so I'm not going to.
I've always like, that's whereyou and I've had our battles.
I'm I've always been.
I'm like over there in radicalterritory.
He's in Lulu land, right, andthat's cool.
I think if I have to jump on abandwagon, I'm certainly not
going that way.
(33:18):
But you know, even like andpeople will freak out like,
people think like, oh, barackObama is so liberal?
No, he's not.
Neither was definitely HillaryClinton, was not.
You know.
So that that is not an offbasis analogy or whatever you
(33:38):
just said definition.
I should say I just think morepeople think that they are
republican or trump people.
I know people gonna be mad, buttrump is not even a republican
when it comes right down to it,he's just doing what he's doing
for money.
And um, you know, like, eventhe emollients clause is that
(33:59):
how you say it?
Emollients clause, the clausethat says that when you're
president, you cannot be takingmoney and making money off of
the presidency.
I think that's what that?
I think it's emoluments, but Icould be wrong.
Emoluments maybe.
I could be wrong.
Whatever it is, I'll put itdown at the bottom, but he has
become a billionaire while beingin office he's selling like
(34:23):
coins and shit and bibles.
Andrea (34:25):
Just want to put this in perspective.
Carmen Lezeth (34:27):
Jimmy carter had to sell his peanut farm his
peanut farm, yeah to be inoffice, and yet everyone's okay.
Okay with Donald Trump doingwhat he's doing as far as making
money off of the presidency,which is incredible.
Andrea (34:44):
I believe that a lot of people believe they are
Republican or whatever, becauseRepublicans are better at
marketing and scaring people,and so you create some big scary
thing that's like oh, theradical left, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah.
You know death panels right.
(35:04):
Remember that whole thing.
Carmen Lezeth (35:05):
Death panels.
I'm going to say it's somethingdifferent.
I think they believe that beinga Republican makes you closer
to God.
Andrea (35:14):
Oh, interesting.
Yeah, you know what I mean,right.
Carmen Lezeth (35:18):
You know, because if we go into the whole
conversation of pro-choice andpro-life and they think they're
saving the babies and they can'thave any other concept, like
they can't have any otherthought process, and there's
this whole idea that to beRepublican means to be closer to
God and Christianity orwhatever you believe in, and
(35:40):
that way it makes you a betterperson.
And then when you say things topeople like, pull yourselves up
by your bootstraps.
That sounds amazing, like yeah,I don't want to have to.
You know, I'm doing everythingon my own and I'm struggling and
I'm having a hard time.
Why do I have to help somebodyelse who's lazy or stealing from
(36:00):
us?
Or you know, I had aconversation the other day and I
was going to find a way tobring this up about snap
benefits.
Like you would think you wouldthink that the right, if we're
talking about Christianity andwe're talking about people on
the right believing in nogovernment interference and blah
(36:21):
, blah, blah you would thinkthat those would be the least
amount of people that are takingfrom our government right, 37%
of white people are the peoplewho take SNAP benefits and
welfare in this country.
I guess they only call it SNAPnow, they don't call it welfare.
26% of Black people use SNAPbenefits and 17% of Hispanic
(36:51):
people use and there's otherstatistics.
But let me just say this Peoplewho are not eligible, just to
get this right undocumentedimmigrants are not eligible for
SNAP benefits at all.
Daca recipients not eligiblefor SNAP benefits or welfare of
any kind.
Temporary visa holders not ableto at all get SNAP benefits.
(37:14):
So I think it's reallyimportant for people to know
that, and that statistic comesfrom the global statistics and
the SNAP center organizationthemselves.
The other thing I want to pointout that has nothing to do with
anything.
I just want to point out somecountries of I'm going to point
out all the countries that havepeople who have overstayed their
visas, and none of these peopleare really afraid of ice.
(37:37):
I want you to see if you canfigure out what the through line
might be.
The United Kingdom, france,germany, italy, spain, ireland,
sweden, poland, australia, newZealand and Canada is not on the
list, but they, because of theway in which they can just walk
over the border or whatever.
(37:57):
You know what I mean.
None of these people have notthese people, but these
countries have people who havecome by visa to this country and
have overstayed and I've spokento about five different people
from five different of thesecountries.
None of them worried at allabout ICE.
I wonder why.
I wonder what that would be.
(38:17):
What's?
Andrea (38:18):
the comment Curious.
Yeah, you know visa overstaysare, I believe you know it's at
least equivalent to peoplecrossing the border.
Carmen Lezeth (38:30):
You know Percentage wise it's a little
bit lower, but the difference isand this is where we get into
this you know your Christianity,your heart, are you?
Let me see?
I wrote it down.
You know what, I'll just gowith it.
Do we want to help people whoare leaving a murderous country
(38:52):
or a pained country, or aneconomically you know
disadvantaged country, or peoplewho are trying to have a better
life?
Do we want to help people havea better life or are we just
more interested in being meanand cruel to brown and black
(39:12):
folk?
Because I think we know whatthe answer is Like.
I'm not being very Christian ifI don't want to help the people
who are struggling.
People come to this country overthe border.
They save whatever money theycan.
They go to a coyote A coyote isthe person who helps.
Bring them over here and Idon't mean help in a good way, I
mean in a bad way.
(39:33):
They take all their monies,they dump them in the United
States after walking themthrough, and these people have
nothing and they come fromnothing.
Isn't that the whole like?
Let me help people who arestruggling.
Andrea (39:45):
Talk about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm sorry, but like there youwill not find more dedicated,
harder workers, people who arewilling to literally walk
through fire to be here andcontribute not only to this
country but, yes, to theirfamily back home.
(40:07):
Family values, Hello, that'sthe whole reason they come.
It's so weird.
Carmen Lezeth (40:11):
You would think that would be the Republican
party, who would be like let mehelp my fellow human being
because it's christ-like, it'sjesus-like, it's yeah, but it's
not any of that, it's racism.
You would actually believed.
Andrea (40:27):
They were like real christians.
And I, you know, like I'm sure,okay, we're gonna lose all the
watchers, you know what I mean.
But like you can talk aboutchristianity in your bible
verses and you're this andyou're that all you want, but
like I literally don't care ifyou're not walking the talk,
shut the fuck up.
Carmen Lezeth (40:44):
It's so true and it's funny to say we're going to
look at, then we'll just behaving these conversations, I
don't know Like it's okay, thisis what we, this is what we talk
about.
This is really what we talkabout.
Like we don't usually do itface to face, although sometimes
but it's really funny Like wewill do like and again, I'm not,
I'm not hating on any religion,I just don't know where along
(41:07):
the way.
I mean, I do know where ithappened, but you know this
separation between church andstate, you know like and how,
how we've just kind of infusedall of that into our politics so
easily.
Now and again.
It's the contradiction.
You would think thatRepublicans would be the ones
(41:27):
who would want to fix theimmigration situation and go
after corporations who areallowing people to work these
jobs under the table right.
Imagine if there were no jobs.
If there were no jobs forpeople to come here for, they
wouldn't come here.
Andrea (41:45):
Yeah, well, this makes me think of the one thing that
we didn't talk about when wetalked about the different
ideologies and the politicalspectrum and all of that, which
is sort of the foundation uponwhich all of this is built, that
permeates wherever you are onthat spectrum racism.
Carmen Lezeth (42:07):
It's always going to be racism.
It's always going to be racism.
Andrea (42:10):
This country was founded , literally founded on the backs
of human beings who were seenas property, in the midst of
genociding the human beings thatalready lived here and I'm
gonna say something.
Carmen Lezeth (42:27):
I didn't come up with this verse.
Somebody put it on tiktok Ihave.
I wish I knew his name becauseI didn't realize we wouldn't
come up with this.
But if I say racism and youhear white people, that's a you
problem, that's not a me problem.
You know what I mean?
Because that's what happens.
People hear the word racism andthey get all offended and it's
(42:48):
like so racism.
Andrea (42:50):
I'm tired of hearing about that.
Okay then I guess you don'twant to deal with the problem.
You don't want to deal with theproblem.
You don't want to deal with theproblem.
If you cannot face it head on,admit it and figure out, how do
we move forward?
Carmen Lezeth (43:08):
Yeah, and think about that too.
If you're not racist for real,then why can't you just hear it,
see the problem and want to fixit Right?
Why do you get so offended?
People who get offended tend toactually be part of the problem
, like they tend like whatever,it is right.
(43:28):
When you see a kid I didn't, Ididn't steal it, I didn't steal
no gum, I didn't do it All of asudden you're like that child
stole the gum, that little kidstole the gum.
You know what I mean?
Right, kids told about right,it's kind of the same thing.
Wow, we were all over the placetoday, but I think that was good
, because that's usually how itgoes.
Yeah, that is how it goes.
Yeah, all right.
Well, hey, everyone, thank youfor listening.
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This is Culture, in Consequencewith Carmen and Andrea.
I think one of the things thatI'm starting to realize is that
I want this to be more about usjust having a conversation, as
opposed to like I just did allthis research and I'm kind of
like, okay, I don't want, Idon't research before I get on
the phone with you.
(00:29):
You know what I mean.
Andrea (00:30):
You know what that's funny?
I did too, because and ofcourse I'd never do that before
a phone call.
But I do think that it'simportant, if we are going to
talk about things and put themout there, that we do need to be
factual.
It's different when it's justme and you shooting the shit,
right, right.
You know, if I stretch thetruth on something or whatever,
(00:53):
it's not like you're going tocome back and be like listen
here, I mean, you might.
Carmen Lezeth (00:57):
Yes, I am Like if I disagree with you, well, at
least something that you agreewith is like yeah, fuck that.
Andrea (01:03):
Right agree with you At least something that you agree
with.
You're like yeah, fuck that.
You know what I mean.
So I do think that there issome importance to that, but
also I don't want it to be likewe're trying to teach a class,
necessarily, you know Right.
Carmen Lezeth (01:11):
Unless I was being paid to then.
Andrea (01:13):
I'd be totally fine with that, but.
Carmen Lezeth (01:15):
I mean, I think that's kind of where this is
falling, and yet I told youwe've gotten a lot of feedback.
Know what I should probablystart with?
Um, see, this is what I mean.
Like even doing that, like likewelcome to all, about the joy
I'm covering your host, this isculture and consequence, like I
have to come up with a betterway to kind of just I think I'm
going to do like a stagnant part.
(01:36):
You know what I mean.
Like oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,insert it in, because I think it
takes away from my flavor withyou and stuff.
So, yeah, that sounded stupid,but you know what I mean.
So so I wanted to talk about theJimmy Kimmel thing for a minute
.
Yeah, uh, and I can't tell youhow many people think I work for
Jimmy Kimmel, which is so funny, just like I have a hat and a
(01:57):
t-shirt and people like, do youwork for Jimmy Kimmel?
Um, here's the thing even if Idid, I wouldn't tell you, but I
really want people to go andwatch the episode that Sinclair,
who owns all multimedia crap,and the Trump administration are
(02:19):
saying was like the be all endall of what he said about
Charlie Kirk, and that's whythey took him off the air.
I I I don't normally watchJimmy Kimmel, not because I'm
working for him and see him allday.
I do not work for Jimmy Kimmel.
I see it the first time.
I see it the first time.
Right, I do not work for JimmyKimmel, but, um, it's like I'm
(02:44):
winking now.
I'm just kidding.
I like confusing the fuck outof people.
Here's the point.
He didn't say anything that wasnot said by other people, or
pretty much on point, basically.
But what was amazingly profoundto me was what he said about
(03:05):
Donald Trump, like how much heis.
And then I went back andwatched like four or five other
episodes and I was just amonologue and I was like this is
what this is about.
Is this thin-skinned man whocan't take responsibility for
his own bullshittery can't takeresponsibility for his own
bullshittery?
I mean the line that JimmyKimmel says and I'm paraphrasing
(03:25):
but he's like so your reallygreat friend has passed away and
they, you know, point thecamera to Donald Trump and ask
about him and he starts talkingabout a ballroom.
Yeah, To look at for people whodon't get it.
Andrea (03:43):
He cares about no one but himself and like.
Why that is so hard for peopleto see is an absolute mystery to
me.
Carmen Lezeth (03:54):
You're not talking about Jimmy Kimmel,
you're talking about Trump.
I am, yes, and he's just.
I mean, he eviscerates him.
Jimmy Kimmel eviscerates himover and over and over again.
But it's almost like, isn't?
I remember watching JohnnyCarson with my mother and I was
so young.
But that's what they do Like,and the more you resist it, the
(04:17):
more they're going to do it,like if he just brushed it off
and like was I know he's notcapable, I know Donald Trump is
not capable of being like thebigger person and being like
these are fucking comedians,right, I don't know, impressive.
Andrea (04:35):
Yeah, they're.
They meaning the administration, the regime, um are seeing what
they can get away with andturns out, surprise, surprise,
they can get away with a lot.
Because, turns out, surprise,surprise, very few people are
(04:58):
actually brave and courageousand have a backbone and even
have integrity.
Carmen Lezeth (05:05):
Okay, but is it brave and courageous to care
about our constitution, and isthat?
I guess that's what it isApparently Right.
Andrea (05:16):
I mean, and I'm talking business people, right, I'm
talking Okay, but isn't thatabout money?
That's not about bravery, I'mtalking about, you know um, bob
eiger.
Hi, I'm sure you're watchingdisney um or other business
people.
I'm talking about tim cookapple you know, yeah, all of the
(05:40):
tech guy, I, I mean whateverthose guys, but you know their
interests are solely economic.
So caring about theconstitution, caring about
democracy, caring about theeconomic state, frankly, of the
(06:01):
entire planet, is a bridge toofar as long as you get yours
today.
Carmen Lezeth (06:07):
And I think it's even evident with the whole
Epstein-File debacle.
I mean listening to Kash Patel,seriously, they're just all
like.
I have never said this before.
It's a plan you know, andrea,you know me.
I'm pretty humble with mytalents.
You know what I mean, exceptwhen it comes to like dancing,
(06:28):
which I haven't done in so manyyears.
But like I'm humble, right, butI am telling you right now in
which case, we should all berunning the government right.
That's what I'm saying, like Ishould, I could run the fbi, I
could run the pentagon I could,and it's not even like a lie.
Andrea (06:44):
Give me the Department of Education.
I mean, yeah, imposter syndromeshould be absolutely a thing of
the past.
Not a single person on thisplanet should be looking at
anything and thinking like Idon't know, I can't do it.
Carmen Lezeth (07:02):
Right, no, kash Patel is so incompetent, I mean.
But you know what, look.
Anyways, I don't want to gothere.
But I just shooketh at thatwhole hearing, which I watched
way too much of, because I waslike this what the whole time?
Andrea (07:20):
I do, I don't know, I do I, I don't know.
I go in phases where I'm like,all right, I need to see some of
this, just to like, see it withmy own eyes.
And then, like I'm in a phaseright now where, like I, I can't
even you know you are notfeeling good, huh yeah, well,
it's funny.
Um, it's on the way out, but,yeah, all right.
(07:41):
Um, what I've been doingrecently, what I did, actually
after our last call.
So over the weekend I watched adocumentary on Winston
Churchill Problematic dude forsure, like let's just put that
out there, but was a leader, hadsome integrity on some things.
(08:01):
Integrity on some things, um,um, another one on roosevelt fdr
.
Wow, I haven't seen.
I've been watching what I'mgonna freely admit is a very
subpar documentary on, um, theroman empire and sort of the
fall of the republic and therise of the empire, and like I
(08:23):
just felt like I need to, like,see some leadership models.
I need to see what happens whenRepublic falls and what comes
after that.
You, like, I just needed tohave something.
So that's what I'm watchinginstead of the hearings and
whatnot.
And what did you learn?
The hearings and whatnot?
(08:49):
And what did you learn?
I have learned that there arevery few brave people in our
midst right now.
There are some, there are some,and I actually I wrote down the
name of one woman that I wantto highlight, since we have a
platform here, that I want tohighlight, since we have a
(09:09):
platform here.
This woman's name is KarinaVilla.
Karina Villa, she's an Illinoisstate rep.
I saw this a few days ago.
She literally ran through herdistrict in her tacones, in her
heels, with her jacket on andher pants, chasing ice out of
like a residence.
Oh.
Carmen Lezeth (09:26):
I know who you're talking about.
I know who you're talking about.
Andrea (09:28):
now Yelling at people to stay in their houses.
You could see the fear and theemotion in her face when she was
talking.
She had her cameraman, hype man, you know, following her and I
was like this.
This is what the people want.
Do not talk to me about taxsubsidies.
Chase ICE out of our goddamnneighborhoods.
(09:51):
If your heels bitch.
Carmen Lezeth (09:54):
I'm still waiting for ICE members to start
realizing what they're doing iswrong.
I know I'm asking way too much.
You know what I mean.
Like my dream, is that not mydream?
But I actually think what'sgoing to make a change is when
actual people start realizingwhat's happening and stop doing
(10:14):
what they're doing to aid andabet this situation.
You know what I mean.
So that would be ICE officers.
But yeah, I don't know.
But anyways, yeah, I amsaddened by the lack of courage.
There's no doubt about it, andI hope that Jimmy Kimmel does
(10:35):
not apologize and, like theSinclair group is asking, he has
to apologize, he has to givethe Charlie Kirk family money.
You know what?
Give the Charlie Kirk familymoney.
You know what I mean To dosomething.
Yeah, I read the whole letter.
I was like what is it?
And then at the end they'relike and we're still not going
to put him back on air.
I'm like, oh, man.
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Okay.
Andrea (10:59):
Sure, you have a podcast tomorrow and blow all of these
mofos out of the water.
If podcast tomorrow and blowall these mofos out of the water
, you know what, if we're at thepoint where we're upset with
comedians and you know that's,we are at that point.
Right, we are at that point.
We are at that point and Ithink you know I'm not one who's
like, and this is a good thingbecause you know, but a lot of
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people like Jimmy Kimmel, a lotof people like Jimmy Kimmel, a
lot of people watch Jimmy Kimmel.
That is the kind of thing thatcould potentially wake at least
a few people up, wake people up.
Carmen Lezeth (11:30):
Well, I mean, with Stephen Colbert being taken
off the air as well, but he hasto the end of his contract.
That started it.
But yeah, I mean, I think we'rejust in a really weird space
and I can't believe we're notall inflamed.
I just feel like I'm exhausted,you know, and it's just every
(11:50):
day, and I'm still wonderingwhere the fuck the Epstein files
are.
I'm just saying, where are theEpstein files?
Like seriously, I don't evencare about the Epstein files.
But Kash Patel, straight facedin that meeting, was like
there's nothing, there's nothingin the Epstein files, nothing
at all.
Well, if there's nothing, thenjust what's?
What's the deal Then?
Andrea (12:09):
just like they're not doing themselves any favors I
don't even know what to sayabout that.
Like just put them out thereand whoever is in there take
them down, and I literally don'tcare who it is yeah so we got
feedback which was nice.
Carmen Lezeth (12:27):
Some of it was not nice.
Somebody was like please stopswearing.
What the fuck I was like.
You don't have to watch theshow.
Andrea (12:45):
I was like this is us.
This is literally the way wetalk to each other.
Carmen Lezeth (12:51):
And if you tell someone to not swear who
casually swears on a regularbasis, all I'm going to do is
swear more.
I don't even know, and do younot know me?
Is this your first?
Andrea (13:03):
Is this your first?
Is this your first?
People who swear are moreintelligent than people who
aren't.
This is actually fact.
Carmen Lezeth (13:08):
It is.
That is fact.
Andrea (13:10):
I'll find it for you.
I'll find it.
Carmen Lezeth (13:13):
I'll put it down, not that it's a competition.
Yes, it is.
The other feedback was peoplewanted to know, and when I say
people, I mean Rick Costa.
Rick was like are you guysgoing to really talk about the
differences between Republicanand Democrats and you know to
get more into it?
But first I wanted to startwith talking about what
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liberalism and conservatism is,and those are ideologies.
People get confused.
Those are ideologies.
And then I was like maybepeople don't know what ideology
means.
Let's get into it girl.
Andrea (13:49):
I was a poli-sci major for two years.
Carmen Lezeth (13:54):
Okay, well, I'm going to read the definition and
then I'll give an example afteryou say okay, an ideology is a
system of beliefs and valuesthat shape how someone sees the
world.
That's like the easiest way tosay it, and I was going to say
this example because I likethings to be super easy.
So the way I think about it ispretend we're talking about
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phones.
Iphones are one ideology.
Android phones are anotherideology, right?
Andrea (14:25):
Yes, that's a very, very good example.
Carmen Lezeth (14:28):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Andrea (14:31):
Thank you, go ahead, I'm sorry.
No, I mean, I think that's agreat way to say it and you know
, and they, they form the basisfor political parties, their
economic and political policies,right, that's.
You know, they're based ondifferent ideologies.
The way you see the world right, they're based on different
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ways you see the world.
But also I will call it thoughtleadership, right Academic
writing.
So, for example, karl Marx,rightxism.
He wrote das capital, which wasa criticism of capitalism and
the basis for communism, whichturned out to be the basis for
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uh you know, the russianrevolution leading way too deep
for people here yeah, etc.
Carmen Lezeth (15:19):
But I'm just saying like it, I know because,
seriously, all people heard wasthey didn't even make this link.
But they're gonna be socialism,liberalism, that's well, I mean
, but I, I.
Andrea (15:31):
It is important though, to for people to understand.
It's not just values andbeliefs, it's actual philosophy,
written by academics, and you,you know, white guys, right,
it's true, it's true, it'sfactual, I mean so, and that is
the basis for the policies thatthe parties then put out into
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the world.
Carmen Lezeth (15:56):
So so the parties , let's just use Republican and
Democrat.
Yes, there are others, butlet's just use the two party
system.
At the moment.
Those are labels, so those areactual, like that's kind of
going back to my phone analogy.
I get a little deep into this.
That's like the apps Instagram,spotify, whatever.
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I'm not promoting any of these,I'm just saying you can have
any of these on either phone, soyou can be a Democrat and be a
conservative, you can be aRepublican and be liberal.
Those things cross over, so youcan do those things.
It's just like having thoseapps.
You can use them on an Androidphone or an Apple phone, so the
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apps would be the labels of theDemocrat, republican.
So just to give people adifferent way to look at it.
You know not to go too deepinto the app thing and the phone
thing.
That's the end of it, right.
Andrea (16:51):
Well, I don't want to get too academic, but you know
there's going to get academic,right.
There's the idea of thepolitical spectrum Right, the
idea of the political spectrumright, and so on the right you
have in general conservatism,and on the left you have
liberalism, and the farther yougo out to the sides, the more
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extreme it gets.
Carmen Lezeth (17:16):
So on the right you have, you know, reactionary,
and on the left you haveradical, and then in my opinion,
they meet down at the bottom ina full circle of
authoritarianism where you'vegot fascism and all of that.
So forget the bottom thing atthe moment, because I know that
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went too hard for people.
I believe that most people.
This is before Trump, so justunderstand.
This is everything we'retalking about is before trumpism
, because trumpism is a wholeother.
That's at that bottom area,that's on the bottom, that's at
the bottom on that spectrum,which is great.
Like these are the extremes.
And some people would say Iwould say a lot of crazy
(17:58):
christian people are on the far,far right.
You know what I mean.
Like they're, they're teeteringon crazy, not all Christians.
You know who I'm talking about.
You know who I'm talking about,all right.
And then on the left we'd belike I don't know the Bernie
Sanders, what would be anextreme leftist group?
Andrea (18:18):
I don't know.
Well, yeah, I don't even thinkI'd put Bernie Sanders out there
way on the end.
Carmen Lezeth (18:21):
But like, um, really, Okay, you know I hate
Bernie Sanders.
Andrea (18:28):
I'm not a huge fan but I wouldn't put him on the list.
I don't know, like, um, um, youknow some of some of the like
really radical, um, you know,like climate justice or
something like that, pet orsomething like that PETA like
when they were doing the bloodthing and stuff.
Carmen Lezeth (18:45):
They've calmed down since then.
But while we're here, let mejust say I did a TikTok
yesterday and Antifa is not agroup.
I know that Trump has put onhis TikTok or whatever he's
doing, whatever his social mediathing is, he's made Antifa.
Andrea, I know you haven'theard this yet, I know I have.
(19:07):
Oh, you have.
He's made Antifa a terroristgroup.
It's not a group.
It means anti-fascist, it's nota group.
And then they're like it mightbe an ideology.
Yeah, exactly, it might be anideology.
Yeah, exactly, it might be anideology.
Yes, yeah.
(19:28):
But that's why it's alsogetting confused, because they
are doing everything in theirpower to make the American
people think that they're doingsomething so important and so
valid.
You know like doing thatbecause it sounds like a good
buzzword, but, like I said on myTikTok, it's like I'm
anti-bullying.
(19:49):
You wouldn't make the group aterrorist group because I'm
anti-bullying.
It's the same concept.
It's a thing that we believe.
It's not.
By the way, if you're anAmerican, you should be
anti-fascist.
You should be, everybody shouldbe, everybody should be,
anti-fascist.
Andrea (20:06):
Everybody should be.
Fascism is not a good thing formost people.
Carmen Lezeth (20:11):
It's just, it's so weird because he's having.
I don't think if somebody askedTrump if he knew what fascism
was, that he'd be able to answerit.
Oh no, I don't think I'm beingmean there.
I'm sorry, I think I'm beingpretty honest.
Yeah, so him using that as abuzzword again where are the
(20:33):
Epstein files?
I just want to throw that outthere because that would have
been a great tweet or whateverhe was doing, if he had said by
the way, here are the Epsteinfiles, as opposed to making up
all this crap.
All right, back to liberal andconservative ideologies, but
let's get into what they believe, right?
Kind of sort of Do you want totake the liberal column, because
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I know it makes you sick toeven think of the conservatives.
Andrea (21:01):
Yeah, I mean I'm going to be general so you can fill in
some specifics.
But on the left liberal side isprogressivism right, Advancing
the public good throughgovernment action a lot of times
.
So I believe in more governmenthelp, in particular for
(21:29):
government help, in particularfor vulnerable groups.
Carmen Lezeth (21:30):
It's really, but let's take it one at a time.
I don't want to go down.
I want to, like you, do that.
So liberals believe in thegovernment having more
involvement with the people andhelping people who are
vulnerable falling through the,but also just making sure we
have what we need Right.
Andrea (21:47):
Right, I mean.
So we're talking abouthealthcare, education, you know?
Public goods, libraries, roads,you know?
Carmen Lezeth (21:59):
yeah, that's a good one.
You know that's a good one.
We believe that when we paytaxes and we give it to the
government, the government usesthose taxes to help the greater
good of all the people.
When you hear it that way, Idon't even know how
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conservatives would not agree tothat.
If you want to take care ofyour neighbor, right.
But let me tell you whatconservatives believe.
Conservatives believe actuallylimited government and they
believe in personalresponsibility.
They believe in that whole.
Pull them up by your bootstraps, do it on your own.
Government cannot be involvedin your dealing and giving you
(22:47):
money or helping you.
It's a very weird negative idea.
Andrea (22:52):
Lower taxes, less regulation.
Also like very, very businessfriendly.
Carmen Lezeth (22:59):
But here's the problem.
So let's talk about the problemwith these things.
Because, when it comes tobusinesses, they give tax breaks
to these big corporations, butwe're still paying taxes because
we have to.
It's not like if you're aconservative, you're not going
to pay taxes, right, you'restill going to pay taxes because
they want their money, butthey're taking the money and,
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instead of giving it to peoplewho are falling through the
cracks or whatever, they give itto corporations for tax breaks
and incentives.
Yes, the idea I believe is I wasjust going to say, let's give
them the idea, your favoritetrickle-down theory, right?
Andrea (23:42):
If you have more money in your pocket as an individual
or as a business owner, thenmore money will flow through the
economy and it will trickledown to those who have less.
That is not true.
Carmen Lezeth (24:02):
Well, here's the thing.
In theory it sounds nice.
It means that people who have alot of money would not keep it
for themselves and would insteadshare it.
I mean, if we look at it at thepositive way, that's the idea.
I have so much money that I'mgoing to turn around and I want
to share it with everyone.
(24:23):
Right, let's give it a positivespin.
That would be the trickle downtheory.
I'm going to create jobs, I'mgoing to create other
opportunities, I'm going to helpother people Shop and buy
things yeah Right Shop and buy,move the economy yeah.
But that's not what happens ever, because you always hear about
these golden parachutes, youalways hear about these buybacks
, right, these share buybacks orwhatever.
So what ends up happening isall these rich people take all
(24:44):
this money and they don't createnew jobs.
Andrea (24:47):
They hoard it.
Carmen Lezeth (24:48):
They hoard it and they keep it for themselves and
they they might sprinkle like,once they have so much money,
they might sprinkle it into someother ideas and do a couple of
you know like, oh, I'm going togive some money to blah, blah,
blah, but it's never at theabundance.
That's why I think we havethese people who are
billionaires.
Andrea (25:04):
I really do 100%.
The idea is that the privatesector should fund a lot of
things charitable, even somehealthcare and childcare and all
those kinds of things versusthe government funding those
things, and that it's betterdone that way and sort of along
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the lines of personalresponsibility is the less taxes
you pay, the more say you havein how your money is spent.
Right, for example, if I pay mytaxes right now, I'm not loving
the way those tax dollars arebeing spent Right.
Right, we have no say in it.
Right, we don't really have asay.
Once it goes, it goes and otherpeople are deciding, you know,
(25:49):
and that's whatever.
It is what it is, but that's, Ibelieve, that's the idea is,
you know, you keep more of yourmoney, businesses keep more of
their money, and then privatesector decides where that should
go.
Carmen Lezeth (26:03):
But in the history of this happening, it
has never worked and that's nota lie.
The trickle-down theory hasnever actually worked, which is
why we do have billionaires.
There would be no billionairesif they were of so much giving
of their excess of monies tohelp build and create new jobs
(26:23):
and stuff, but what they do isthey spread it amongst their
friends or their stockholders ortheir shareholders.
I should say you know they weretruly sharing and trickling
down.
Andrea (26:34):
You know their employees would not be on welfare.
Carmen Lezeth (26:40):
Minimum wage would be easily $30 an hour.
You know what I mean.
Andrea (26:44):
Like, there you have like, um, uh, the Walton family
right, Multi-billion, you know,multi, multi-billionaires, and,
um, you know, one of the biggestretailers on the planet and
their workers can't, you know,can't afford life, right, but
(27:05):
here they are living high on thehogs.
So they are not espousing orliving.
You know, people with theWalpins.
The Walgreens Walmart.
Carmen Lezeth (27:18):
They own Walmart.
Andrea (27:18):
That's just one example of it doesn't trickle down.
They keep it for themselves andthey, you know, create family
trust and all kinds of things.
Hey look at, I wish it worked.
Carmen Lezeth (27:32):
I would love the idea that Amazon, jeff Bezos,
had so much money that he wasactually paying his Amazon
drivers enough money so thatpeople could have medical care
and have.
You know what I mean.
Like it would be great if thatactually worked, because then
we'd all be working a livablewage.
But isn't it interesting howwe've been told, how we've been
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taught not to make thatconnection Right?
Andrea (27:56):
And like no one is saying put yourself in the poor
house, right.
Like you do not have to go andlive in a hut on a mountain with
one pair of shoes, you knowwhat I mean.
Like you can still have youryacht, bro.
You can still, you know, likehave your crazy ass wedding in
italy or whatever it is that wasso funny, right?
(28:18):
But like you don't have tohoard it.
There's, they have more moneythan they could ever possibly
spend.
Like they really could not.
Carmen Lezeth (28:28):
That is a weird.
That is a weird part of what Ihate about the wealth in the
United States.
I mean, I guess it's around theworld, but you know cause I
always think about like SaudiArabia, whatever, like how, but
that's all about being incontrol, right?
It's a different kind of power.
If it's all about money, youknow it's not authentic power.
(28:49):
I mean, as far as I'm concerned, you know what I mean.
Andrea (28:52):
Like it's not real power , it's not.
And like I mean not to put toofine a point on it, but like you
have more money than God, butyou're still up there kissing
donald trump's ass.
So how powerful are you, yep?
Like you have what they callfuck you money.
Like you don't ever have todeal with any of this, ever, but
(29:13):
you choose to go and kiss thering it's weird because it's a
fake kind of power.
Carmen Lezeth (29:21):
Right, it's a, because to me, real power going
to like we'll have like twoviewers after this, but like
real power are people that walkwith such brilliance that you
like, I think Barack Obama has alot of power.
You know, I think RobertRedford may he rest in sweet
peace a lot of power.
You know people who are sorespected.
(29:42):
You know I don't care what youfeel about Jane Fonda Tons of
power People who are solid inthemselves, who walk their talk
and don't hurt other people.
I can, I'll even say people, andof course I feel like I'm only
naming liberal, but like I thinkabout, even like Warren Buffett
(30:03):
, or I'm trying to think ofother people who have power that
might be.
He's not conservative, he has alot of money.
Mark Cuban is also more on theleft, so all the good people are
on the left.
I don't know, I don't know.
I'm trying to think of aRepublican or a conservative
that I think yields a lot ofkind of power because they're a
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good.
Oh, I can name one.
I know you're going to disagree.
May he rest in peace.
But John McCain was, I know, Iknow, but I'm just saying he had
honor and dignity, whether youagreed with him or not, but he
died.
I, I know, and he also broughtus sarah palin, I know, but
that's when he lost some power.
(30:46):
But I'm glad I said had okayhad right right right, I'm
looking, I'm struggling here.
Andrea (30:51):
I know, I know he is a name that popped up for me too,
he isn't but you refuse to sayit.
Carmen Lezeth (30:58):
You were like, wait, I just want to tell
everyone the other day that Idon't think we were on screen.
No, no, because I didn't leaveit in.
But you were like, how bad isit that I wish Chaney was back.
I wanted to capture that moment.
You actually said that Chaneyyeah, that's how bad we're at
right now that Andrea is.
That moment you actually saidthat Chaney yeah, who we love
(31:21):
that's how bad we're at rightnow that Andrea is wishing we
had the problems of theBush-Chaney era.
Andrea (31:28):
Yeah, look at she won't even admit it.
I know I'm not.
I will not, I will not repeat.
Carmen Lezeth (31:36):
So it's just a tough time.
So it's just a tough time, um,I I think that it's hard for
people to understand thatthey're more to the middle than
not.
That's kind of what we weresaying.
We said most people thinkthey're republicans, um, but I'm
gonna say.
Andrea (31:54):
Here's what I, I personally believe.
I believe that the UnitedStates is a center-right country
, so mostly center, but likejust to the right, not like too
far over, but you know, a fairlyconservative country.
Happen to believe that thedemocratic party is a center
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right party.
The republican party veers inbetween like conservative and
reactionary, at least, at leastI'm going to say, for most of
our lifetime.
That's where I believe theylived.
Now it's something completelydifferent.
But so when I say that Ibelieve most people are not
Republican, number one it's afact, you know, borne out by the
(32:45):
numbers.
But number two, it's based onthat.
I, like I said, I think UnitedStates is center right and I
believe that the democraticparty is primarily a center
right Party.
Carmen Lezeth (32:56):
Yeah, I.
I mean, I know you want me tofight with you.
I'm not going to fight with youon that, because I've always
called myself a conservativeDemocrat, so I'm not going to.
I've always like, that's whereyou and I've had our battles.
I'm I've always been.
I'm like over there in radicalterritory.
He's in Lulu land, right, andthat's cool.
I think if I have to jump on abandwagon, I'm certainly not
going that way.
(33:18):
But you know, even like andpeople will freak out like,
people think like, oh, barackObama is so liberal?
No, he's not.
Neither was definitely HillaryClinton, was not.
You know.
So that that is not an offbasis analogy or whatever you
(33:38):
just said definition.
I should say I just think morepeople think that they are
republican or trump people.
I know people gonna be mad, buttrump is not even a republican
when it comes right down to it,he's just doing what he's doing
for money.
And um, you know, like, eventhe emollients clause is that
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how you say it?
Emollients clause, the clausethat says that when you're
president, you cannot be takingmoney and making money off of
the presidency.
I think that's what that?
I think it's emoluments, but Icould be wrong.
Emoluments maybe.
I could be wrong.
Whatever it is, I'll put itdown at the bottom, but he has
become a billionaire while beingin office he's selling like
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coins and shit and bibles.
Andrea (34:25):
Just want to put this in perspective.
Carmen Lezeth (34:27):
Jimmy carter had to sell his peanut farm his
peanut farm, yeah to be inoffice, and yet everyone's okay.
Okay with Donald Trump doingwhat he's doing as far as making
money off of the presidency,which is incredible.
Andrea (34:44):
I believe that a lot of people believe they are
Republican or whatever, becauseRepublicans are better at
marketing and scaring people,and so you create some big scary
thing that's like oh, theradical left, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah.
You know death panels right.
(35:04):
Remember that whole thing.
Carmen Lezeth (35:05):
Death panels.
I'm going to say it's somethingdifferent.
I think they believe that beinga Republican makes you closer
to God.
Andrea (35:14):
Oh, interesting.
Yeah, you know what I mean,right.
Carmen Lezeth (35:18):
You know, because if we go into the whole
conversation of pro-choice andpro-life and they think they're
saving the babies and they can'thave any other concept, like
they can't have any otherthought process, and there's
this whole idea that to beRepublican means to be closer to
God and Christianity orwhatever you believe in, and
(35:40):
that way it makes you a betterperson.
And then when you say things topeople like, pull yourselves up
by your bootstraps.
That sounds amazing, like yeah,I don't want to have to.
You know, I'm doing everythingon my own and I'm struggling and
I'm having a hard time.
Why do I have to help somebodyelse who's lazy or stealing from
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us?
Or you know, I had aconversation the other day and I
was going to find a way tobring this up about snap
benefits.
Like you would think you wouldthink that the right, if we're
talking about Christianity andwe're talking about people on
the right believing in nogovernment interference and blah
(36:21):
, blah, blah you would thinkthat those would be the least
amount of people that are takingfrom our government right, 37%
of white people are the peoplewho take SNAP benefits and
welfare in this country.
I guess they only call it SNAPnow, they don't call it welfare.
26% of Black people use SNAPbenefits and 17% of Hispanic
(36:51):
people use and there's otherstatistics.
But let me just say this Peoplewho are not eligible, just to
get this right undocumentedimmigrants are not eligible for
SNAP benefits at all.
Daca recipients not eligiblefor SNAP benefits or welfare of
any kind.
Temporary visa holders not ableto at all get SNAP benefits.
(37:14):
So I think it's reallyimportant for people to know
that, and that statistic comesfrom the global statistics and
the SNAP center organizationthemselves.
The other thing I want to pointout that has nothing to do with
anything.
I just want to point out somecountries of I'm going to point
out all the countries that havepeople who have overstayed their
visas, and none of these peopleare really afraid of ice.
(37:37):
I want you to see if you canfigure out what the through line
might be.
The United Kingdom, france,germany, italy, spain, ireland,
sweden, poland, australia, newZealand and Canada is not on the
list, but they, because of theway in which they can just walk
over the border or whatever.
(37:57):
You know what I mean.
None of these people have notthese people, but these
countries have people who havecome by visa to this country and
have overstayed and I've spokento about five different people
from five different of thesecountries.
None of them worried at allabout ICE.
I wonder why.
I wonder what that would be.
(38:17):
What's?
Andrea (38:18):
the comment Curious.
Yeah, you know visa overstaysare, I believe you know it's at
least equivalent to peoplecrossing the border.
Carmen Lezeth (38:30):
You know Percentage wise it's a little
bit lower, but the difference isand this is where we get into
this you know your Christianity,your heart, are you?
Let me see?
I wrote it down.
You know what, I'll just gowith it.
Do we want to help people whoare leaving a murderous country
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or a pained country, or aneconomically you know
disadvantaged country, or peoplewho are trying to have a better
life?
Do we want to help people havea better life or are we just
more interested in being meanand cruel to brown and black
(39:12):
folk?
Because I think we know whatthe answer is Like.
I'm not being very Christian ifI don't want to help the people
who are struggling.
People come to this country overthe border.
They save whatever money theycan.
They go to a coyote A coyote isthe person who helps.
Bring them over here and Idon't mean help in a good way, I
mean in a bad way.
(39:33):
They take all their monies,they dump them in the United
States after walking themthrough, and these people have
nothing and they come fromnothing.
Isn't that the whole like?
Let me help people who arestruggling.
Andrea (39:45):
Talk about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm sorry, but like there youwill not find more dedicated,
harder workers, people who arewilling to literally walk
through fire to be here andcontribute not only to this
country but, yes, to theirfamily back home.
(40:07):
Family values, Hello, that'sthe whole reason they come.
It's so weird.
Carmen Lezeth (40:11):
You would think that would be the Republican
party, who would be like let mehelp my fellow human being
because it's christ-like, it'sjesus-like, it's yeah, but it's
not any of that, it's racism.
You would actually believed.
Andrea (40:27):
They were like real christians.
And I, you know, like I'm sure,okay, we're gonna lose all the
watchers, you know what I mean.
But like you can talk aboutchristianity in your bible
verses and you're this andyou're that all you want, but
like I literally don't care ifyou're not walking the talk,
shut the fuck up.
Carmen Lezeth (40:44):
It's so true and it's funny to say we're going to
look at, then we'll just behaving these conversations, I
don't know Like it's okay, thisis what we, this is what we talk
about.
This is really what we talkabout.
Like we don't usually do itface to face, although sometimes
but it's really funny Like wewill do like and again, I'm not,
I'm not hating on any religion,I just don't know where along
(41:07):
the way.
I mean, I do know where ithappened, but you know this
separation between church andstate, you know like and how,
how we've just kind of infusedall of that into our politics so
easily.
Now and again.
It's the contradiction.
You would think thatRepublicans would be the ones
(41:27):
who would want to fix theimmigration situation and go
after corporations who areallowing people to work these
jobs under the table right.
Imagine if there were no jobs.
If there were no jobs forpeople to come here for, they
wouldn't come here.
Andrea (41:45):
Yeah, well, this makes me think of the one thing that
we didn't talk about when wetalked about the different
ideologies and the politicalspectrum and all of that, which
is sort of the foundation uponwhich all of this is built, that
permeates wherever you are onthat spectrum racism.
Carmen Lezeth (42:07):
It's always going to be racism.
It's always going to be racism.
Andrea (42:10):
This country was founded , literally founded on the backs
of human beings who were seenas property, in the midst of
genociding the human beings thatalready lived here and I'm
gonna say something.
Carmen Lezeth (42:27):
I didn't come up with this verse.
Somebody put it on tiktok Ihave.
I wish I knew his name becauseI didn't realize we wouldn't
come up with this.
But if I say racism and youhear white people, that's a you
problem, that's not a me problem.
You know what I mean?
Because that's what happens.
People hear the word racism andthey get all offended and it's
(42:48):
like so racism.
Andrea (42:50):
I'm tired of hearing about that.
Okay then I guess you don'twant to deal with the problem.
You don't want to deal with theproblem.
You don't want to deal with theproblem.
If you cannot face it head on,admit it and figure out, how do
we move forward?
Carmen Lezeth (43:08):
Yeah, and think about that too.
If you're not racist for real,then why can't you just hear it,
see the problem and want to fixit Right?
Why do you get so offended?
People who get offended tend toactually be part of the problem
, like they tend like whatever,it is right.
(43:28):
When you see a kid I didn't, Ididn't steal it, I didn't steal
no gum, I didn't do it All of asudden you're like that child
stole the gum, that little kidstole the gum.
You know what I mean?
Right, kids told about right,it's kind of the same thing.
Wow, we were all over the placetoday, but I think that was good
, because that's usually how itgoes.
Yeah, that is how it goes.
Yeah, all right.
Well, hey, everyone, thank youfor listening.
We appreciate you being hereand, uh, yeah, keep sending your
(43:51):
comments.
Please be kind and nice, and ornot, it's okay, because I have
someone deleting them now.
So, no, no, it's totally fine,cause you know what this is what
we do and I think it can onlyhelp people.
So, yeah, remember, we have ourFriday night shows at 6 PM
Pacific, 9 PM Eastern.
You can come and join in.
It really is a relaxed, chill,kind of no politics, no religion
(44:15):
, kind of conversation betweenfriends, and we'll even invite
you up if you're cool and vetted.
I have to vet people, butremember, at the end of the day
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Bye, we'll see you next week.
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