#115 - GolfZon Simulators: Jimmy McDonald (Director of Sales) - Behind the Golf Brand Podcast with Paul Liberatore

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today we play golf.
Let me show you how we do it inthe pros. Welcome to Behind the
Golf Brand podcast. I nevermissed with the Seven Iron , a
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(00:21):
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from on and off the green. Whywould you play golf if you
don't play it for money? Justlet me put the ball in a hole.
This is Behind the Golf Brandpodcast with Paul Libert tore .

Speaker 2 (00:34):
What's up guys?
Welcome to the Behind the GolfBrand podcast. This week I had
my good friend Jimmy McDonaldfrom Golf Zone Golf Zone
simulators. If you guys don'tknow what Golf Zone is, they
pretty much make the coolestgolf simulator in the world.
I've never seen anything likeit. It's called the Two Vision
. And they recently came outwith the Wave, which is
phenomenal. And we're here totalk about the Golf Zone wave,

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the two vision and howGoldstone's kind of really
taken over the market right nowin United States. So welcome to
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Hey, thanks. Thanks Paul. Thanks for having me. And
thanks for your kind words,man.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
So like, so we were like talking before the show.
I'm like, yo , man, this, thisgolf zone wave's like sick.
Like this is legit. Like ifyou're looking for, like, if
you're looking for a reallygood simulator that won't like
break the bank. Like that thingis, we'll get to that in a
minute, but it's , it's reallycool. Um, so where are you
located right now?

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, I wish I could say I'm in my basement with
this sweet background behindme. Um, but I am in my
basement. It just doesn't looklike that. Um, I'm in New York.
I'm based in New York. Ourcompany, golf Zone America.
We're headquartered inVirginia, just outside of
Washington, DC and globallyGolf Zone is a Korean company.
So , uh, our US outfit camehere in 2017. We set up shop in

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Virginia and thank God theybrought me on board . All

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Virginia .

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, it's actually kind of an interesting Yeah,
it, it's a funny story. Wehired , um, or , or we got a
couple, few different collegesto do some research for us and
we basically told 'em what wedid, who we were and what we
were looking to do in theUnited States. We told 'em what
we built in Korea and hey, thisis what we're trying to build
in the us where should we beheadquartered? That was the

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question. And I think we wentto like Duke, Dartmouth, brown,
like some high highly toutedschools, right? So they all
went their own separatedirections. They did their own
research on where they think weshould be headquartered. And
they all said Minneapolis,Minnesota, in unison. All three
of them said Minneapolis. Andactually that's probably our

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most densely saturated marketin terms of volume.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh , that makes sense. We got the most sense .
Yeah . Stimulators

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Out there , what

Speaker 2 (02:39):
You guys do and Yeah,

Speaker 3 (02:41):
But we couldn't headquarter out there because
too many flights get canceledin the winter. And we're a very
mobile team. We're travelingall over the place. So that's
why we chose Virginia, becauseyou don't get the snow and you
can get on a plane and youknow, your flights still
canceled. But why did

Speaker 2 (02:56):
You I choose like California, like might it be
cooler to be like in Carlsbador like, I don't know , orange
County, Arizona , Scottsdale, Imean,

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Totally . That

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Better. I think Virginia,

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well first of all, I think against Virginia , I
wasn't a part of the planningcommittee. I was not a part of
the

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Planning. C would , I would've been part of that.
I've been like, yeah , let'sput a cool place. Nothing
against Virginia though. Thereason why I asked Virginia,
'cause another brand I workwith in the same space is based
outta Virginia. I was like,why, why are these two big
brands in Virginia? Like, maybe'cause century's located Lot
Tech . It's like, is it ? Idon't know. I maybe it is.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, I mean they're both Korean companies .
Northern Virginia. Um, soDulles Airport, right? You got
Reagan, which is in the heartof DC and then you've got
Dallas , which is kind of onthe outskirts right around that
Dallas airport area. There's aton of tech and there's a lot
of government contractorsthere, but it's all tech.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Oh .

Speaker 3 (03:47):
So for us it kind of ,

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah,

Speaker 3 (03:49):
I would've said Dallas. 'cause you're right in
the middle of the country andyou can fly anywhere .

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Dallas doing great too. Yeah, you're like right in
the middle. And it's a bigmetropolitan city and it's
techie. Right? Austin's closetoo. Yep . Why Austin? I don't
know , I guess, I mean, I justwonder. I thought it was weird
In the last week, two verylarge Korean companies are
based out of, not based , butlike contractually are based
out of Virginia, which I justthought was weird. I don't
know. I just thought was weird.

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Um, so are you a golf pro?

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah , technically.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
. You are?

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah. Yeah. That. So I, I've been in the golf
business since I was 11. Istarted caddying when I was 11.
Got hired in the bag room whenI was 13. And then I just
forever I was in the golfbusiness. I was

Speaker 2 (04:29):
So where'd you grow up at?

Speaker 3 (04:30):
I grew up in Connecticut. Um , okay . Live
in New York now, about an hourfrom where I grew up. But , uh,
the golf up in Connecticut,kind of where I grew up is
tremendous in that like,Westchester County, like Winged
Foot was 15 minutes from whereI grew up. Really?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Oh, you

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Know, there's so much golf there. Um, big part
of the culture around there. Soit was a golf pro till I was
like 20, 26 I think. 26, 27.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
So who taught you to play golf? Your dad, your
grandpa, your mom who?

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, my dad . My dad took me to the range for
the first time and itimmediately sunk its hook enemy
. I was baseball and hockey iswhat I played growing up. And
then golf came about. And theonly reason I stuck with it,
honestly, is 'cause I've alwaysworked. I had a paper route
from the time I was eight andwhen I turned 11, my dad said,
you should make some real moneyand start caddying. So I had to

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learn the game a little bit. Hetaught me the game a little bit
and then I started caddying andnext thing you know, I'm just,
I'm a lifelong

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Server every day .
Make good money at 11. You'relike the richest kid in the
neighborhood. Totally .

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Like everyone else is like playing Nintendo and
you're like, yo, I'm gonna gocaddy and make some money.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah , I'm gonna go buy Nintendo. That's what I was
think . I'm

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Gonna buy five Nintendos. I'm gonna go like
this , I'm gonna go buyme a , a Super Nintendo,
probably Beer of generation. Iwould say Super Nintendo . It

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Might've been Sega Genesis by then.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
No way. How old are you?

Speaker 3 (05:58):
37.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Oh yeah. Genesis.
You're young though . Yeah, Iguess 11. Yeah. You're like my
age kind of. I'm 45, but still

Speaker 3 (06:07):
45 .

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Um ,

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Okay,

Speaker 2 (06:09):
So, so you grew up playing and then when you got
up , did you, like , were youon the golf team and like the
whole nine yards?

Speaker 3 (06:16):
No, I wa I was a hockey player that, that's, you
know, baseball and hockey. Iwas a goalie.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Defend . You're a goalie.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
That's the hardest position. Um,

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Well thank you for saying so. I appreciate that.
Oh , my goal. Tell arebrethren,

Speaker 2 (06:31):
So who's your favorite hockey team ? Saber ,
the island, Connecticut.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Harford Whalers , a Whalers fan. Really ?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Really? I like the , I like the old Whalers uniform.
The old school one that wassick.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
You still see people rocking the hats and I see
people wearing scars. They

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Still whalers fan though. I

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Mean, how can I be?
They've been gone . They mo sothey turned into the Carolina
Hurricanes. They moved down toNorth Carolina.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Oh , that's right.
You're like, see, so

Speaker 3 (06:56):
When all my favorite players left in North Carolina,
I tried to stay with them , butnow I don't really follow
anybody.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah. Like I grew up, so I grew about here and
like there was three hockeyrinks in the entire state of
Arizona when I was a kid. Andlike, there was one and twos on
two in Phoenix. This is beforethey built like the Ice End
Scottsdale and all that otherstuff. And so like, if you
played hockey, like that wasreally obscure. But I fell in
love with a sport because allwas baseball and football and

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golf out here. And like, I waslike, why did my parents like,
let me play this when I wasyounger? I love this. It's the
best game ever made. And like ,do

Speaker 3 (07:28):
You play it now ?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
And I played , no, I haven't played in like 15
years, but I , my I played inmen's league for a while after
like, yeah , I got married andI was like, I'm too old for
this. Like, my back was hurtinglike my lower back. I'm like,
why's my back hurt so bad? Youknow? And I was, but I, I love
hockey. Like, I love hockey. Ihad a , I , my buddy , uh, he's
on the podcast a long time ago.

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He played for the , um, theavalanche like in like back in
the nineties. And so he alwaystalks so much to me, dude .
Like all the time. Like everytime we talk on the phone,
he'll like purposely like showme his like Stanley Cup, like
little trophies. Like, lookwhat I got and you don't have
one of those. And I was like,yeah bro. 'cause you're
freaking professional a lot.
, I suck. Like, becauseyou come up to the men's league

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night. And I'm like, there's noway I'm doing that. So he's
like, oh , they are like names. Oh , he still plays men's
dropping . Yeah, they stillplay men's league. It's a men's
league in North Scott , like inScottsdale. And it's like all
NHL players, dude. Likeseriously, it's all, you know ,
like , uh, I don't know. Howcan you like, I can't think of
some of these dudes. Like, Idon't know , like tons of
people you would know. Youknow, I'd be like , oh, I know

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that guy. What the hell's thatguy's name? Not Neil Bratton .
What's that guy who played for,but he played for the North
Stars and like it was NeilBratton and so-and-So, and he
was Mike Madonna . MikeMcConnell lives up there. Oh

Speaker 3 (08:45):
My God. Yeah, dude.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Like I know I'm throwing myself back. Right.
Because that's what I love . II loved hockey in the nineties.
Like that's,

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah ,

Speaker 2 (08:52):
My hockey like circle like 1990 to 94, 95.
I'll tell you, every player Igeek out on that stuff, you
know. And like

Speaker 3 (09:00):
N Hhl 94 is the best hockey video game ever made.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Ever made. Dude, bro, that is the only game I
ever asked. I Yeah. For SuperNintendo. Or is it like , did
you have for Sega Genesis?

Speaker 3 (09:11):
I had it for everything. Even today, if you
get the new hockey games forlike PSS five and you're
picking your control method,you can pick like the standard
advanced or n hhl 94 controlswhere you just use the buttons
from 90 . Those

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Was the best game.
That was literally the bestgame ever made.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Totally

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Drills . Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Because

Speaker 2 (09:27):
All hockey games before that were like mad lame.
Right. Because like you'd havelike, you know, they had like,
what was it , blades of Steelwas the other hockey game. It
was for Nintendo and I used toplay all that. Okay . And it
was like, but yeah. Yeah . Iknow we're totally about
Nintendo, but yeah, for real. Ilove that game.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
What are we talking about again? ?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I don't remember.
There's be a way you could likecheat. I remember this, my
buddy always to do to me we'relike, if you went back and
forth a lot behind the net, thegoalie would get stuck on the
net. And I was like, what's upwith that dude?

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Oh man. And then they came out with NHL hits and
it all went out the window. Youever play NHL Hits?

Speaker 2 (09:58):
No, because of oh

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Three on three . It was great. Oh ,

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Look at that boring.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Oh no. You could check people through the boards
and if you checked them throughthe boards and through the
glass, they couldn't come backon the ice. So you could just
pick three against Nagoli .
Yeah . It was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Was it? That's what they started like making these
like extreme video games backthen. Like, you know, like, I
don't know . Anyways, back togolf sewing , not geeking out
Nintendo games. So Frickingguy, man. Just kidding. So then
you, you played hockey in highschool. Did you play hockey in
college or did you

Speaker 3 (10:34):
I didn't. No. I, I , I , I stopped, I stopped , uh,
playing competitively. I stillplayed men's leagues. Yeah . Um
, I went away to college. So Iwent to music school of all
things. I went to the BerkeleyCollege of Music up in Boston,
Massachusetts.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Shut up.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah .

Speaker 2 (10:49):
What , what do you play?

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah. Uh , used to play a lot of guitar and I sang
and I wrote songs and went toBerkeley for that. But golf was
pulling me back, man. I wantedto, I , I went there and
realized that I couldn't domusic. I wanted to come and,
and get a real job and workaround golf. I just loved it. I

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missed it. Um, so came backwithin a couple years. I was a
golf pro at a golf, at a localgolf course to where I grew up
, uh, in Connecticut foranother, yeah. Yeah. The , the
Sandwich Club in Greenwich,Connecticut. It's great golf
course. I've been number one inthe state for 40 years, I
think. Great spot. Um, I was agolf pro there until I was

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about 26, maybe 27, kind of inthat range. And then we , my
wife and I started a family. SoI , I mean, I don't know if
you've had Golf Pros on yourpodcast, but that's a tough gig
with raising kids. And I wantedto go the corporate route and
thank God Golf Zone came alongbecause it's a best of both
worlds. Right? I get to , it'sa hard,

Speaker 2 (11:49):
It's a hard transition, isn't it? I'm not,
not like, I feel like golf pro. It's like that's a hard job.
I don't think people realizethat. And I don't, when I have,
like I had , uh, Taylor Crosbyon the show a couple days ago
and Yeah ,

Speaker 3 (12:02):
He

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Was talking about that as well. 'cause he is down
at the kingdom and, and, andlike he was saying that like,
you know, it's like you comeout wanna play golf and you
have like three options, right?
Like, okay, I work in the proshop as a golf pro and then I,
I spend 60 hours a week in thegolf in the pro shop and I get
, and I get for 10 hours if I'mlucky. Right? And then it's

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like, well that's, that's hard'cause you're working seven
days a week, right? Prettymuch. Um , and like I don't , I
, it's like that transition togo like, what do you do? Right?
Like if you're good at golf,like what do you do? You try to
go pro, you know, which is hardas hell. Mm-Hmm .
. And then, or you can teach,which you can get, you know,
that could be hard too. Youcould be a really great

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teacher, but you might beworking in the pro shop 90% of
the time. So how do you pursuethat career path? Um, and then
the third option is going intothe business. Right? Into , uh,
into corporate or a brand orwhatever it might be. So how
did you bridge that gap? Likehow did you go from teaching to
golf zone?

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, there was a , there was a job in the middle
there. I , I took a job with ,um, with another company. Just
sales, right? Corporate sales.
Um ,

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Was it golf or No, no. Oh , just

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Regular sales.
Completely. Yeah. It was justregular old sales. I was
working for a company sellingwater. So I would sell water to
like

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Connecticut. What exactly . A water .

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Poland Spring.
Poland Spring. I'm going andshucking Poland Spring to like
shop Right . And stop and shopin Walmart. And it was great,
but it was a great way to cutmy teeth in the,

Speaker 2 (13:37):
It could be sales, right? Yeah, yeah .

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Closing.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah. And like hunting down the lead and like
getting it closed .

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Totally. Yeah.
Because look, being a golf pro,you're in sales all day, every
day. You're selling yourself.
That's what you're doing.
You're selling your services. Ican help you with your swing, I
can help you putting, I can do, I can do all these things to
empower you and make your gamebetter. And it's eventually up
to your client to make thatdecision. If they want to
continue forward with you ,transition to a product where

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you gotta go in and make thecase for something that's not
you. That's a big .
That's a big adjustment

Speaker 2 (14:11):
That Yeah . I to convince the person to buy it.
That's a hard job. Like that's,

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah. If

Speaker 2 (14:15):
You, if you could master sales, that's like one
of the best skills you couldever have in your entire life.
Like my buddies in sales, hemake so much fricking money,
it's ridiculous. I was like,what the hell? I mean, he
worked his off. But it's like,

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah,

Speaker 2 (14:27):
It'd be , but it's like the 1%, you know what I
mean? Like , if you get reallygood at sales, it's like you
can really do really well.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
There's a lot of really good life skills in
there too. In , in teaching youhow to negotiate, teaching you
how to be yourself through asituation and, and let people
see the true person who'sdelivering the message. Right?
It's relationship building and,and relationship maintenance,
all that stuff. That's great.
At work and at home. I mean,sales situations will help you

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out with your wife. It'll helpyou

Speaker 2 (14:56):
after law school. I thought that
would help me out. Like whenarguments, I'd be like,

Speaker 3 (14:59):
That's the opposite man. . I

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Know . She still beats me all the time. It's all
right . . I'm like ,all I have is debt. .

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah. In , in the , in the personal point system of
a marriage. Oh

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Forget that. like, okay, you in , forget it. I'm not
gonna argue. Um, so how longdid you do that?

Speaker 3 (15:22):
That was about four years. Uh, and I, I worked up
from territory to a largerterritory to a region. And that
was great experience. 'causethat gave me the opportunity to
learn kind of a corporatehierarchy and how it , the
structure works and how youwork your way through it. And
then coming over to Golf Zonewas the opportunity just kind

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of popped up out of nowhere.
Right. But it was , uh, througha golf pro. Through a golf pro
that I used to work with. Hewas doing some work with the
company. Yep . Um , who werethey doing ? And he said, Hey,
we're building a Salesforce. Hewas kind of sales operations
doing a little bit of both. Uh,'cause the company was so new.
They , they were founded herein the US in 2017 and that's
when he started with him . Sohe called me up and said, Hey,

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we're building our Salesforce.
I know you've been in sales,things are going well. Do you
wanna take a look? Took hiscall. I met with the CEO .

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well , it's not water. I mean, I like water.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Water's pretty good,

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Man . It's golf.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
You , you need water. I want golf simulators
though. That sounds fun. True .
Um , that's

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Very true.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
So yeah, it was couple quick phone calls and
very quickly I realized that Icould marry the two of, Hey,
you've gotten pretty good atthis sales thing and you really
like that lifestyle of theMonday to Friday more
structured, not working 200hours a week. And also golf. So
just having both of those asyour career path. It's never

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even thought it was an option,but five years later, here we
are.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah. So who's golf zone? Like people don't know
who golf . I know Golf Zone isbecause I've done a bunch of
research and I've done a bunchof content lately, but like,
who are they? 'cause they'remassive. They're fricking huge.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
It it's almost unfathomable how large and the,
the reach of this company. SoGoldstone was founded , uh, I
might have said this earlier inthe year 2000 in Korea, very
much out of a market need. If,if you're not familiar with
Korea, most of your populationis in Seoul. And Seoul is about

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five times the size of all fiveboroughs of Manhattan put
together. And it's all highrises . It's all urban
development. Right. And you'vegot a really huge golfing
culture in Korea. But becausethe city is so big, there's no
golf courses, there's nowhereto do it. So you have to go or

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Do it out right outside the city . Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
You have to leave the city, go to the suburbs.
Now you're traveling for anhour each way. You're playing a
six hour round becauseeverybody wants to do it. And
just due to supply and demand,the prices are astronomical. So
it's really hard to capture andretain your golfing audience in
Korea. Excuse me. So in theyear 2000, the idea was, hey,

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let's bring golf to the city.
Let's put it in a room. Can weset up a screen and just have
'em hit into a screen? Andafter a couple different
generations of technology,right around 2009, golf Zone
really started catching fire.
And in 2011, the company wentpublic in Korea to the tune of
a $1.6 billion market cap. Itwas the fifth largest IPO in

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the history of the Koreanexchange. Um, they started
expanding into satelliteoffices. They opened up Japan,
they opened China , uh, andthen they opened the United
States in 2017. So we are 100%owned by our global parent
company in Korea here at GolfZone America. Just a peek into

(18:47):
some of the numbers here. Lastyear in 2022, we did, I think
it was 87 million rounds ofgolf on our simulators.
87,000,018 hole rounds byregistered golf zone users. So
that doesn't count any guestplay. It doesn't count people
coming in and playing 9, 10, 15holes. It's only fully

(19:09):
completed rounds. 87 million ofthem . It's astronomical.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, that's crazy .
I mean they're , they're sobig. Like I didn't realize
'cause doesn't Golf zone alsoown golf buddy? I could've
sworn that's what I saw.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
That's correct.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
That one of their sub .

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah. I was like, what the hell? Like, because I
was , I'm like dealing thattoo. I was like, holy crap .
Like you don't understand orlike , I don't know , like how
po like how big this brand isin Korea, which is cool. Is
like, you know, and you onlystarting to see like, I feel
like, and this is not a knock,I just feel like you didn't
really see a lot of golf zonestuff like just the masses yet.

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And then with the Wave being alaunch and the two vision and
like, I mean, the first time Isaw the two vision was the PGA
show this year. And it blew mymind. I was like, what the hell
is that? Yeah . That is thecoolest thing I've ever seen in
my entire life. Yeah. And thenlike it , like I just never
seen anything like that. And Iwas like, that's that's what I
want. That's the future rightthere. You know? And, and I
think like it's a mountain ofcoming to America and like, and

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the power and the force becausethey run a lot , a lot of the
technology, like people don'tunderstand, like this is like
literally probably the biggestsim company in the world, I
would say.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Oh, for sure . It is. Yeah. Global market share.
We are number one by leaps andbounds. And second place is a
distant second here in the USIt's a very different story
because we came here in 2017,but you know, some of our
competitors full swing golf,they've been around for 30
years here. They've had apresence in the United States
for 30 years. So that's whatwe're battling is it's not

(20:37):
necessarily a market sharequestion that we're battling in
the us but it's just a brandawareness question. Yeah .
We're still taking calls tothis day. If people call us and
they say, God, I saw youonline, I didn't even know you
were hearing this thing. Andit's like, we've been here for
five years, six years, sevenyears. .

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah. It's getting the message out that like, yo,
we're here and like we knowwhat we're doing. Yeah . Like,
so like when I, so I just did aa , a video. I was telling
Jimmy, like on the , on thewave, right ? And like I did a
bunch of researchers on , onthe brand itself as part of
this video. And like one thingthat blew my mind is like, I
remember that like goldstone'sin like 63 different countries

(21:16):
at this point. And what's supercool, because I haven't seen
anybody do this, is they havelike their own like pay league
kind of thing, likecompetition. And they had like
a huge prize pool, likemillions of dollars in prizes
for online golf. Like, and I'mlike, that's all next level
stuff, right? Like , becausethat's what everyone like talks
about doing, but they'realready doing it. It's just
that like yeah ,

Speaker 3 (21:35):
They're

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Doing it in Korea and now they're coming over to
the United States and they'rereally coming in full force
when like, yeah

Speaker 3 (21:41):
This is

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Like one of those times they feel like where it's
like you're gonna see theswitch , you're gonna see that
like, not in terms of golf zone, but like, like when, what's
the place that Callaway owns mymind as well ? Top Golf . Uh ,
yeah Topgolf, when Topgolf camefrom like, what the hell's
Topgolf? That's stupid, right?
And then it's like, yeah ,

Speaker 3 (21:55):
No,

Speaker 2 (21:56):
That's a big shift.
And it's like the same kind ofthing. It's like you're gonna
start seeing this big shiftwhere it's like you gonna be
normal. Like oh that's what Iwant. You know? And as prices
start coming down on theseunits, like, you know, even
especially like, we'll talkabout this in a minute, but
like with the two vision , Imean that thing's like how much
the two vision cost ?

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah . It's 76,000.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah . $76,000 . I mean if I had 70 I'd buy that .
My house, I was super rich. Butlike, but the Wave , I
mean, I mean Jimmy has likefour of 'em behind him at his
house right now . His basementcan't

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Get

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Enough of them . But if you know the
wave, it's like with the wave,they're pretty much taking the
technology and the two visionand they're putting it in the
wave. It's a smaller scale, butit's like kind of close to the
same thing, but not as, butlike close enough. And it's
like holy crap. You know? Andit's like the price point's ,
what four is it four for the,what's it called?

Speaker 3 (22:49):
39.95 baby ?

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, 39 95 . Right.
So it's like, it's crazy 'causeI , I mean I'm excited by golf
songs , so I'm like, whoa, thisis, the graphics look amazing.
They look real number one. Ohgood . They look cartoony. I
mean I'd probably lose thewhole caddy thing. Dunno if it
was me. 'cause it's kind oflike , I'm like, come on dude.
But other than that I thinkit's super cool. That's what
I'd say

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Noted. That's a fair point, fair point. You know,

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'm talking about, you can see the guy in the
background. It's like, oh ,like, like I would lose that or
I'd, I don't know , maybe hadsome guy talking I'd put like
chubs there or something. Likethat'd be cool. Um,

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, it'd be cool if we got like Jim Nance as the
announcer, right?

Speaker 2 (23:25):
You probably could.
I mean, you're the one golfsimulator company in the world.
I mean, they said JimmyMcDonald would be the
announcer. Good shot . I've

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Been selling that for six years, man. They won't
buy

Speaker 2 (23:35):
No . So. All right . So then you what num
what employee number were youat Golf Zone ?

Speaker 3 (23:43):
I don't exactly remember. I , I was either five
or six and crazy and there werea couple people that started
within the same week or so.
Yeah , I think I was five andthe next guy was six. Um, yeah,
now we're, we're , we're quitea bit bigger. I think we're,
we're close to 40 now. Uh ,we're just growing like crazy.
I mean, do

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Golf zones maybe guys , I can't even like tell
you. It's like, it's massive.
It's like, it's like the Appleof Korea. It's like some huge,
you know,

Speaker 3 (24:11):
They , they touch everything. Golf, everything
Golf, golf Zone owns at least apiece of it. And most times
it's a big piece. So it , youthink here in the US golf
retail PGA tour superstore,right? That's probably one of
the preeminent names you thinkof here in the us In Korea it's
golf zone retail. So you gointo a golf zone branded retail
facility and you go buy yourgolf balls and your gloves and

(24:34):
there's no golf simulators.
Yeah. You get your golf bag,you golf shoes, and then you
take 'em across the street andyou go play on a golf zone
simulator. Every part of thejourney. Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
So when you first came on board then in 17, like
what did, what was the offeringat Golf Zone? Like what did
they have that was for sale inthe us ?

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah. We , we had , um, we really had two core
products that we sold. We hadthe vision premium, which isn't
terribly different from the twovision. There's a couple subtle
but key differences between thetwo. Uh, and then we had our
vision standard, which we'restill selling today. Um, GDR

(25:15):
standard was part of that aswell. The GDR stands for Gulf
Zone driving range. Uh, that'smore, you see that in training
and , uh, practice facilities,of which there are a couple in
the New York market , um, thatwe own and operate called , uh,
Gulf Zone Range by Ledbetter.
And that's just practiceanalysis and training. This ,
those simulators, the GDRsimulators, it's meant to have

(25:38):
one user on them for a periodof time, whether it's 30 to 60,
90 minutes. Our othersimulators, the vision models,
so vision premium, visionstandards, two vision, those
are all our entertainmentsimulators, which are meant to
have two or more people, two tosix people on them for a round

(25:58):
of golf on a golf course.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
So let's talk about that. Let's talk about the two.
Like let's talk about the twoproducts that I know about. I
mean Sure . Uh, let's talkabout the two vision and the
wave. And let's start with thewave first. So I guess can you
explain to the audience , um,you know, what is the, what is
the two Vision

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Two Vision first?
Yeah. Okay .

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah. It's two Vision first. Sorry. Yeah,

Speaker 3 (26:24):
I can

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Vision , I can do that . I can't really figure
that out.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
I couldn't see what your other hand was doing. I
trust you were doing the rightthing. Yeah , like tell me . So
the two vision simulator is ourflagship model. That is when
people think golf zone, theythink what's the best, and this
is the best . The two vision isa camera based technology, full
service , turnkey golfsimulator. So we use high-speed

(26:51):
cameras. Two , there's two foreach handedness of golfer.
There's one in the ceiling andthere's one in a kiosk. Yep .

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Which of those two?
That's exactly , yeah. The redone's a ceiling and the blue's
in the kiosk.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
That's exactly right. Yep . And those two
cameras are set at an offsetangle, kind of like, so if you
could see my hands.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah. Uh ,

Speaker 3 (27:10):
The , the reason that we put a camera in the
kiosk , well some ofthis is audio only, right?
. So one hand pointingdown, one hand comes , and if
you, if you have the cameras atthat angle, we found that it's
a bit better than our visionpremium, which just has two
cameras in the ceiling. Becausewhen you have them offset like
this, you're able to capture ahell of a lot more clubhead

(27:32):
data. And the feedback that wegot from our users was, Hey,
this is great. The ball data'sawesome, but the club data's a
little lacking. So we took thisdifferent approach with these
cameras to a ton more club headdata. Um , all the data
displays on the kiosk, I thinkyou had it. Yep . An image

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Of it that timing it like perfect timing already
already said that. Yeah . SomeB roll action right there .

Speaker 3 (27:55):
We didn't even practice this, Paul. The

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Red light turns on, it's like hit the slides . So
,

Speaker 3 (28:01):
So all , all your data and , and that's also
touchscreen. So that's how youcontrol the whole unit right
there. But let's take a stepback from the kiosk for a
second. Once you get on thegolf simulator, you selected
your golf course, you set up agame, you're ready to go,
you're standing on thesimulator ready to hit shots.
The whole objective here is totake away that kiosk and just
make this a game between thegolfer and the ball and the

(28:25):
course. Because you don't haveto go interface with the CPU
really at all. It's gonna runthe whole game for you. And
there's, there's no buttons youneed to hit. So all the buttons
are there if you want to havethat experience. But we try to
make this golf emulation moreso than simulation. We want you
to feel like you're playing thegame. And we're able to do that

(28:46):
a by kind of eliminating thatkiosk so that you don't have to
interface with it throughoutyour round . Uh ,

Speaker 2 (28:51):
You just do it right at the beginning and then you
just do your thing, right?
Essentially at that point.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah. You just play, you just play your game. Right.
You don't have to

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Like seriously isn't the coolest thing ever. I think
this is the coolest thing ever.
Like straight up, this is thecoolest simulator I've ever
seen in my entire life. Likeit's the coolest thing. Like
literally , um,

Speaker 3 (29:07):
The two pieces, you don't

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Even need the kiosk at all. Like, I mean, you need
to set your stuff up, but youdon't even like after that it's
like, I'm gonna go play golfall good.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah. And now you don't have, like, there's other
simulators where you have to goto the CPU and you have to
change your aim and your cluband all that stuff. And it's
all, you don't need to. You canif you want that experience,
but you don't have to. But theother two elements that I think
really elevate this to the nextlevel, our number one, the auto
tee up system, so that there'sno shagging balls, right? You

(29:37):
hit a ball, it hits the screen,it returns, and a new ball is
pegged up for you automaticallyat each user's unique preferred
T height . So if Paul and I, ifwe're playing together and you
like your ball teed up at threeand three quarter inches and I
like mine at four, it's gonnaknow who's playing and it'll
tee it up appropriately. You'vealso got three different
hitting mats really on the twovision. It's five. You've got

(30:00):
fairway and then your rough matis subdivided into a long cut
and a shorter cut. And thenyour bunker mat is subdivided
into a green side and a fairwaybunker hitting .

Speaker 2 (30:13):
So you gotta switch , switch . You guys gotta
switch out this graphic 'causethat's not even right because
really there's not two morelike you should tell 'em on the
website. That's not even likehalf as much stuff. That's
weird .

Speaker 3 (30:22):
That graphic there is actually of our vision
premium model. That's the onethat they started, we brought
here in 2017.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
And if you cycle back, yeah, we should change
that .

Speaker 2 (30:34):
I know. It's , it's , they should change that. You
can see it here. The reason whyI know because I got to play
with it. I was telling Jimmylike before the show, like I
got to go play with the twovision at Tru like two weeks
ago. And like I noticed thinglike the back of my hand, I was
, they taught me how to use itand within like 10 minutes I
was like, oh, this is thecoolest thing ever. You like
write a note change image onwebsite. Um ,

Speaker 3 (30:54):
I'm writing that down as we speak .

Speaker 2 (30:56):
And also that should be slanted like Right, I know ,
I know about the product. Solike this is all like, you hit
the screen and then it comesdown and it's a slanted
downwards and then it rollsinto a feeder underneath you
and it automatically just does,like you never have to bend
over you just like ever. Unlessyou need to move the ball into
the different grass . Right. Orthe different stuff on the
right.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Uh , even then I use my club, I use my club to do it
. Oh , good

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Too . Yeah, that's true. You can go too. I guess
you can kind of see it here onthis screen. You can kind of
see like there's actually what,five, right, five lies you can
pick from.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
There are, yeah.
Fairway, intermediate, rough,deep, rough, greenside bunker,
fairway, bunker five total .
And

Speaker 2 (31:32):
The cool thing, what I love about this unit is like
you were saying before, likeyou don't really have to touch
the kiosk afterwards. Right? Solike, let's pretend like I hit
a shot. I guess it kind , Iguess like explain how a system
works. So I hit my T shot andit, and it, it ends up on a
hill. What happens to thesystem?

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah. So at that point, if you end up, let's say
Paul, you hit your drive 325yards, I assume it's somewhere
out, maybe just hundred yards ,the first cutter off. So that
whole hitting surface thatyou're standing on is gonna
lift out of the ground and thenit's gonna tilt to simulate the
terrain of the course you'replaying. Fricking cool. It'll

(32:09):
move up to 16 degrees of slope,which doesn't sound like a lot
just conversationally, but ifit were 16 and a half degrees
of slope, the ball wouldn't sitstill on the fairway, Matt . So
that's about, that's crazy .
That's about

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Mass will go about , have it roll off the thing.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Now you'll see a more severe lie in the rough,
our swing plate won't go thatfar, but in real life you'd see
more severe than that. But onthe fairway you're not gonna
see much more than 16 degrees.
So it's pretty darn close. Um,furthermore on the

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Two unit . So the other thing is too , is like
you can't cheat, right? That'sthe other thing is that you
can't cheat on the system. Imean you can, but you're gonna
get penalized, right?

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Right. If you can always play the ball from the
fairway, you can always put theball on the fairway, Matt , and
play from there if you want to.
Um , but the system knows whichhitting mat you're supposed
supposed to be on and whichhitting mat you're on. So if
you put it on the fairway, butyou're supposed to be in the
rough, it'll assess apercentage penalty and it'll
call that out. Out

Speaker 2 (33:06):
On is crazy . It's crazy because it's like, it
does it internally. Like it'snot like, oh , okay, whatever.
It's like, let's say I I I wentin the sand, right? Like I the
screen and I'm like f that I'mgonna put it on the grass and
then I hit my next shot. It'slike, it's still gonna act like
I hit it outta the sand or, oris is it not Do that, it's
gonna give you a penalty in themath, right. And be like, well

(33:27):
actually you didn't and you'regonna get this penalty
automatically and the distanceon the ball and everything else
is gonna be penalized on thatshot. Which is kind of cool
because you can't cheat. I meanyou can, but it's like, it's
pointless. So it's like it's

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Not gonna work out for you if you do, it's

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Not gonna work out.
Yeah. And then the other thingthat's cool is like if you hit
out the sand, like you wouldnever think like this, but like
it feels like you're hittingout a sand, which is nuts
'cause it's a bunch of like ,it's bristles, but it feels
just like it. And thedifference between the bunkers
and the green or the green sideand the fairway, it's like you
can feel the difference. It'sso crazy. It's like, I don't
know, it's just nuts. Like it'sthe coolest thing .

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Seen I , when I do live demos on this thing,
that's all people want to do ishead out of the, out of the
bunker map. They wanna see theplate move and they wanna
experience that. And that isyour wow factor for sure , in
my opinion. It also turns itfrom a, just an entertaining
golf simulator to a gameimprovement golf simulator
because there's really no placein the world you can go

(34:21):
practice balls at eight degreesbelow your feet. Everybody in

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Sand. In sand,

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah. In sand no less, right? Or out of the rock
or,

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah . There's cool things too is you can put, so
like even like that you can puton it and it, I know all about
your product. I'm not trying tosell here . I think I just
think it's that cool. Likeyou're looking for a job
maybe. Let's see. Sothen there's like a , there's
like a la so you're putting ,and it's just like, oh, you
gotta hit it like 15 feet,let's just pretend. Right? And
then what it does, it showslike a laser beam, like a red

(34:51):
laser, like a cat, you know,like a cat chasing laser thing.
Like shoot it like right infront at the edge of the, of
the, of the system. And that'swhere you're supposed to aim.
Like, so, you know, like that'sthe proper what lie I not lie,
but angle I guess or whateverline .

Speaker 3 (35:05):
And

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Then you just

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Ball .

Speaker 2 (35:06):
And I was like, holy crap. They thought of
everything. Like

Speaker 3 (35:10):
I always compare that feature Paul to like , I
used to caddy, right? And whenI would read the green for
somebody, I would use theflagstick and I would point to
a blade of grass on the ground.
And that's all we're doing iswe're calling out, Hey, aim it
here. It's up to you to hitthat line with the right speed
to make it. But if you hit ithere, you're gonna have the
best chance to make the pot .

Speaker 2 (35:28):
And like also, like even if like, then you might
ask yourself, well what if Imove the ball? Let's say I was
like right here and then I movethe ball to the right or the
left, right before I even hitthe shot. That laser moves too.
Like it knows where the ballis. It like, it kind of follows
you around. So it's like youcan't be a dumb. It's like,
okay, I'm gonna put it overhere. The laser's gonna be
right here, , and

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Then that you're

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Still , you're still aiming at the same point. It ,
it's, it's literally thecoolest like simulator I've
ever been on. That's like, it'svery ingenious. Like everything
they did, there was a purposefor it. It's not just there to
like, you know, look cool, it ,like there's a job for it and
it makes it go faster, right?
So instead of like, I thinkit's one of the downsides with
sims, it's like when you goputt, you're like, oh, it's 15

(36:07):
feet. And you're like, okay,cool. And you hit the ball and
it like goes right past thehole and you don't know where
the lie is. 'cause this thinghas to read from the cameras
and all this other. And likereally?

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah ,

Speaker 2 (36:17):
This thing makes it so, like, if you can learn how
far 15 feet really is for youwhen , when you put, it's still
gonna show the right lie andthe right, you know, length of
the shot. I don't know . Just ,it's just really cool. It's

Speaker 3 (36:29):
So cool . So let's talk about putting for a quick
second because that, in myopinion is one of the key
differentiators that doesn'tget talked about enough with
our simulators and with a lotof competitive products in the
marketplace, putting is eithernot an option or it's not a
good one. And you hear all thetime, people say, well, we just
turned putting off, or we setGIS to 15 feet because putting

(36:50):
is stupid and it's not verygood the

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Entire game. Right?
Like it's like literally it'shuge. That makes you, that's
like, that's how you actuallyget your, your handicapped down
is your putting Well it's ,well it's every or you a 10
foot circle and we'll give youan automatic in after you
making the 10 foot circle. Like, that's.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
And , and Paul, if you did that on the PGA tour
every week, you would have a 40way playoff at 40 under Right?
Of course. If you made guys notput, it's not gonna work. The
game is won and lost on theGreens and golf zone realized
that that was a shortcoming ofgolf simulators and put a ton
of money and effort anddevelopment into making the,
putting as realistic as wepossibly could. And it's to the

(37:30):
point now where I I , it's thebest I've ever experienced in
golf simulation. I think it'sthe best in the category. It's
the best in the the

Speaker 2 (37:38):
World . I disagree on

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Our simulators. And you can, a lot of our clients
will mark out the floor infront of them. They'll use tape
or something like that to markout 3, 6, 9, 10 feet. So when
you have a putt of thatdistance on the simulator, you
know, you have a frame ofreference, oh , okay, that's
where the hole is. It's fivefeet away. Let me hit it to
that line. And if you hit itthat distance, the ball will go
in the hole. It will, you canhit putts as short as six

(38:02):
inches on the simulator. And ifyou hit it too hard, it's not
going in. You know, it , thisis real life putting here and
you have to treat it that way.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
I think , uh, I just think like you guys have
thought of everything, and I'mnot trying to sell it to
vision. I mean, 'cause the twovision is $75,000 and like,
this is more of anentertainment product like you
were saying before, like, solike you guys Yeah . Aren't you
guys working with Troon ? Don'tyou have a bunch of like
locations and you're opening upplaces or what's the , what's
the , what's the deal withthat?

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah, that's right.
So golf zone's really good attwo things. And the first thing
we're good at is making somereally badass technology. Our
golf simulators are the best inthe world in my opinion. Um,
and the other thing that we'rereally good at is operating a
commercial venue in , in , inKorea.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah. 'cause you know how to do that for sure,
right? Like that's what you do.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
There's like 6,000 stores, man. There's 6,000
stores that are eithercorporate owned or franchises
of Golf zone and we know how todo it. We've gone through the
trials and tribulations ofrunning these venues. We know
what works and what doesn't.
And we're taking that mindsetand bringing it here as well.
So we have our privatecustomers who buy 4, 8, 10 of
these things and they open uptheir own venue. But then we

(39:17):
also have a retail division andwe've opened up now three
venues in the metropolitan NewYork market that are all using
our entertaining technology. Sothese are venues where you can
go have a burger and a beer andgo play 18 holes with your
buddies. And then we also havea , uh, two venues , uh, one
right now, the second will comeonline later this year called

(39:37):
Golf Zone Range by Leadbetter.
And those golf zone range byLedbetter venues are training
and analysis venues. They'replaces where you can go get a
lesson from APGA professional,you can enhance your game , uh,
but you're not gonna go andhave a beer and play 18 holes
at Pebble because that's notwhat we're trying to do there.
You're gonna go to Golf Zonesocial for that. And that is

(39:59):
our golf zone. Social , uh, byTru venues.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah. So like what's cool is like, you can go and
you can play the two vision ifyou want, hang out. And so the
only place you're at right nowis in New York,

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Correct? Yeah. We've got one venue in Stanford,
Connecticut, which is a stonesthrow from the New York border.
We've got West Niac New York inRockland County, and then we've
got Scarsdale New York inWestchester County.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
And then , um, what about expansion? Like where
else ? Like , or like is thereany more slated not just in the
New York metropolitan area?

Speaker 3 (40:39):
No , right now our, our focus is in the New York
metro area. Phase two will bean expansion regionally. Um, so
we'll break out of New York,but we'll stay in the
Northeast. Yeah . And phasethree will be more

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Big cities, right?
Where there's like same kindof, I would assume model as
what's having in Korea. It'slike, look, we know the big
metropolitan areas don't have alot of places to go play golf,
so let's focus on that. Notlike, let's go open a location
up in Oklahoma. Right. Or like, I mean, maybe later on, but
not right. Yeah .

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Maybe later on, not, not phase two . Phase
two, you'll see cities like,and and we haven't done any of
this

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yet , so I'm not Boston and DC and Phil
Philadelphia and Chicago andMinneapolis and like all these
big metropolitan areas thatlike half the year is gonna be
cold, right. We're not gonna beable to play. Yep .

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Yep . And actually makes sense. Some of the warmer
weather are just as if not moreso successful than the cold
weather climates. Houston,Texas comes to mind. Our our
venues in Houston are , they'reprivate operators there, but
they're, they're just great.
Those are year round solidbusinesses, whereas up north

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Ooh , Scottsdale would be big too, man,
honestly, for I bet it's

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Too hot.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Too hot right now.
It is . And I'm saying like,it's almost like you flip it,
right? It's so hot right now.
You Yeah . You can go play golfin at Tru , you know, whatever
or at, you know, Scottsdale TPCfor a hundred bucks, but it's
like 115 degrees outside andit's not fun. So it's like, why
would you wanna go do that? IfI can go play , uh, have a
drink and hang out with myfriends and go play Scottsdale

(42:13):
TPC and I'm in Scottsdale atsome bar, like I might go do
that, you know? Yeah . I don'tknow . I think it's, that's so
cool as technology and you guyscan kind of see what this image
like is like, you can see allfive of the , uh, grass types
here and stuff like that. UmMm-Hmm . . But so
then that's a two vision,right? So that's like the
diamond, right? Like that'sthe, that's the top Top,

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
And then you guys are coming have come out the
wave now. What's the wave?

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yeah. The , the wave is a very , it's a very, very
different product. andit , it's a product. We haven't
been in this category, but thecategory is probably the
largest that there is in golfsimulation in , uh, just
getting out to the massconsumer, right? And it's a
$4,000 price point. Personallaunch monitor device slash

(43:06):
golf simulator. Yeah . That'sthe unit right there. Right
down front and center. That'sthe golf zone wave that is a
radar device. There is a cameraon it, and you use that camera
for two functions. First is foralignment. You can pull it up
on your mobile device and youcan see where it's pointed. So
you can have it oriented atyour target. So you get proper
readings on your shots. Andsecond, it's gonna videotape

(43:27):
your swings. So you havesomething to go back and look
at to do some , uh, furtheranalysis on what you're doing
to deliver the club through theimpact zone. Um, on top of that
golf zone, we're not just inthe launch monitor category. We
wouldn't be true to brand if wedid that. We are a golf
stimulation company. So that'swhat we really wanted to lean

(43:50):
into with this product wasyeah, take it to the range, use
it on the range, that's great.
You're gonna get all the datayou need to have a , an
enhanced range session , uh,and , and deeper analysis into
the numbers. But when you takeit home, we want you to be able
to set it up in an environmentlike this, whether it be in
your garage or your den or anextra room or your basement.

(44:10):
And what's the one thing thatRadar launch monitors can't do
is putting radar launchmonitors are really good at
tracking a projectile downrange , but as soon as the golf
ball never leaves the ground,you're asking that device to do
something it wasn't made to do.
And so we created a precisionputting mat that pairs with

(44:34):
your golf zone wave launchmonitor. And that putting mat
uses 14 infrared sensorsrunning up and down the right
and left sides of it. So you'regonna get a whole bunch of
pictures of the club and theball at and after the impact
zone, which is gonna allow youto have the same exact putting
experience on this $4,000 unitas you can on our larger two

(44:57):
vision $75,000 unit. It is ,that's crazy. First in , it's
the first that I'm aware of inthis category to be offering
something like that. And theputting experience on Golf Zone
is by far the best. And wewanted to give that to
everybody.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
I mean, I think this is phenomenal. Like this is
such next level stuff becauseno one's doing that. I mean,
when I first saw the Wave, Iwas like, oh, that's cool, you
can put, right. That was thefirst thing I was like, oh,
that's a whole other thing aswhat Jim and I talked about
earlier. Um, you know, but theproblem is, is like, I can't
put, you know, I guess it gets, you could tweak it. It's

(45:36):
clunky, right? I think you canuse like the Launch Pro and a
couple other ones will let youput, but it's like super, super
clunky. Mm-Hmm . . But with the wave it's like
you can put, and it's like, it,it's in a geeky kinda way. It's
so it's like holy crap, this isthe coolest thing ever because
like , I'm actually put andactually feels like I'm
actually playing golf. Um,which is just phenomenal. And

(45:57):
the , the , my experience withthe wave as this so far, you
get the same graphics I wouldsay as you would in the two
vision . It looks almost theexact same, right? Yeah . And
I'm running off of , and I was, they always , you know, they
always, with most simulatorcompanies, they're always like,
you know, run off a gaming pc.
If you have a simulator roomrun off a gaming pc, right?
Because you can move full maxres and everything like that.

(46:19):
Now I wasn't, because I don'thave a gaming pc, but I have a
really fast like business pc,right? Mm-Hmm . And it worked
fine, no problem. And it lookedreally good. So that's the
first thing. Um, the putting isnext level, like nothing I've
ever experienced before. Andthen what's cool is like you
can only , you can either usethe wave, like in indoors with

(46:39):
the putting, or you can takeout to the range with the unit
behind you. So you can kind ofsee, like in this picture here,
that the unit right behind heris the actual , um, the, what
do you call it ? The launchmonitor, I guess, or the,

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Yep . The ,

Speaker 2 (46:50):
You know, the , and so I, I , it's , it's a very
versatile product that you canactually use it both ways and
like, I don't know, I , I thinkit's, now, Jamie and I talked
about this before the show,like what separates the wave
from, like , say itscompetitors, like the full
swing , the st plus , they'reall around the same price
point, right? Is is the puttingfor sure. But also I think

(47:12):
like, this is more, if you wanta really good simulator, like a
really good simulator that hasall kinds of cool features.
Like the Wave is like , yeah ,I can, it's like you flip it,
right? It's like some units arelike, oh, it's really good at
being a training device that wecan also run sim functions on
it, right? Yeah .

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Or

Speaker 2 (47:31):
This , like, and I, and you can correct me if I'm
wrong, I feel like it's the ,the wave is flipped. It's like
we're a really good simulatorthat you can also do some like,
you know, training stuff on. Soit's like, which bucket do you
wanna fit? And as a , as aconsumer, who are you? Do you
wanna train a lot or do youwant to play a lot? Right? And
that , and it , it's coolbecause no one's really doing

(47:52):
it like that. And also it'slike their stuff looks really
good. Like their courses lookgood. It's not all cheesy, you
know, like, I don't know . Sothe wave's awesome. The wave's
awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
I think you nailed it . I , I think you nailed it,
Paul. You , you can be there ,there is no shortage of options
out there who are greattraining devices that can also
be a simulator. But our angleon this was, well, hey, we're
golf zone, we're a really goodsimulator. So what if we made
one of those that could also bea training device? That was the

(48:25):
whole angle here. And I , Ithink it's really working. I ,
I think the product is anabsolute home run. But again,
we're fighting the battle of,hey, nobody knows we're here.
So that's why this productexists. It's $4,000. There's a
lot more people that can affordthat in 75. So let's get it out
there. Let's get the golf zonebrand name

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Elevated. Yeah. The technology's all there. It's
just in a smaller rac like, youknow, like you don't have the
moving floor and all thespecial grass and whatever,
whatever. But like, you don'tneed all that because if you
want the core system, you'regetting the core , the little
core system for what? 20th ofthe price? Yeah,

Speaker 3 (48:59):
15th

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Of the price. I mean, I , I haven't taken it ,
I didn't take it outside. Itook it indoors and I used it
on a sim and I plugged it on ,you know, and I plugged it into
like a projector and I was likethis exact same experience. Um
, and I also, so like, sothere's two ways you can use
it. You can use it through the, your computer, which is like
the full, if you want the fullsim experience, use it through

(49:21):
the computer. Absolutely. And ,uh, if you don't wanna do that,
you can also use it through theapp. Which , uh, is iOS, is it
Android too or just iOS?

Speaker 3 (49:30):
IOS and Android. Yep .

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Both. So like , and then, but it's different. It's
a different, it's a different,it's similar but different,
right? Like I would say thatthe app between the app and the
sim or the app and thecomputer,

Speaker 3 (49:43):
It is, yeah. So the computer is gonna give you the
ability to play golf, right?
You're gonna play on

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Hundred courses. And they're not courses either.
It's not like some course younever heard of. It's like,
whoa, crap. How get thatcourse? You know , these are,

Speaker 3 (49:55):
These are legit golf courses. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Um , and legit ones.
The app ,

Speaker 3 (50:00):
The the app. Paul doesn't have courses on it.
It's got I think, one hole thatyou can go

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Play. Yeah . It's one hole . It's , yeah. It's
more for practicing. I feellike the app is,

Speaker 3 (50:08):
It is, it's called Wave Skills. That's the app
that we have right now. Andthat is just full on training.
So if you've ever seen thebackend of a TrackMan device
and just all the numbers,

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Yeah, that's

Speaker 3 (50:21):
What you're gonna see. You're gonna see the data
and you're gonna be able toanalyze the data and it stores
the data to your account. Soyou can go back and, and
compare today's practicesession against what you did in
January. You know, it doesn'tmatter. You can, you've got all
the data saved there forever.
Cool .

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah. I think it's super cool. It's like , it's
like, it's made for when youwanna go use it to the range or
go practice in a yard or likenot, yes.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Not

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Play golf, but you're actually practicing with
data. Not so much, you know,I'm playing golf on a really
cool simulator,

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Doing your wedge gapping, right. You gotta have,
you gotta have data to do that.
So you can do all that stuffwith this

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Device . And you can , and you can also like, I know
'cause you have like the threemodes, right? Like you can do
like putting, you can do likeapproach and you can do, what's
the third one? Like driving orsomething?

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Just driving

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Range . Regular it range . Regular driving range ,
range approach , putting Yeah.
And like what's cool is you canli like , this is , this is the
fun part. You can be like , oh,I suck it 90 yards out. Like
what club do I use? Okay. Solike you could literally just
put the app on on iOS and youcan literally practice that
shot over and over and over andreally gap that shot and like ,
oh, I hit my sand wedge 95yards. And you have all that

(51:27):
data and you go, okay, now I'mgonna go back 10 more yards
further. Do I still hit that?
Like you can literally likedrill in your numbers. I don't
know . I think it's , it's,it's cool like gap . That's

Speaker 3 (51:35):
How you get good right there.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Yeah. And then if you wanna put like, 'cause that
, that's always the disconnectbecause you can't put, so then
people were like, well , I'mgood at approach and I'm good
at the driving range, but Ican't put, and it's like
literally you can sit there andput the same 10 foot, put a
hundred times on the mat and belike, put, put, put put and be
like, why am I breaking a rightor am I breaking left or
whatever. I don't know. It's,yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
In and , and Paul, the , the tricky thing is
retraining the Americanconsumer. That putting is an
actual thing you can do on agolf simulator. 'cause they'd
say, no, we don't wanna do it.
'cause putting sucks, puttingsucks, putting sucks. That's
not very good. And then theyget to the golf course. They've
been practicing all winter inthe colder weather climates.

(52:19):
They've been playing on theirgolf simulators, but they
haven't been putting, sothey're hitting the ball great.
But they're re-putting everyhole when they finally get out
to the golf course and they'regoing, why am I shooting 95? I
hit a , I hit 12 greens inregulation, I shot 91. It's
like, yeah, you're not puttingSo if , or

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Chipping, I'm not chipping like, you know, like
small chips, right? And justlike enough, it's like

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Get the reps in, get the reps in, get the numbers,
get the practice in. You'rehitting the shots. Finish the
hole. And that's what golf zonelets you do. Finish the hole,
hit that six foot putt, makeit, come on. You gotta make
those. It's a tournament.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
That's , it's the thing. It's like, I , like I
was the other, if I was yourcompetitors, I'd be scared,
honestly because I'd be like,oh crap. Because I think like,
people don't know what golfzone really is. Kinda like we
talked about at the beginningof the show, like who they are,
the technology, what they are,the whole nine yards. And it's
like, you know, I mean I've hadto , now , now I've been able

(53:17):
to see, now I've , I've beenable to play on both of the
units, right? Your two, yourtwo flagship units that are
here. And it's like, holy crap.
Like no one can,

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yeah ,

Speaker 2 (53:25):
No one can touch this. You know? It's like, but
just getting that word out. Butlike, look, this is a huge
competitor , like competitornow that you guys need to check
out because if you, like, if ,if you're gonna spend $4,000 on
another unit, you want to makesure that like you have
everything you want. Right? OrI don't know . I just think
it's, it's, it's, it's prettycool. Like, I don't have to say

(53:48):
that. Like, oh yeah, you know?
Yeah . You have this ability.
What's your, what's your , uh,stick? You know, what , what's
your stick? You know, like whatare , what , what , what's your
thing ? What are you known for?
Oh, we can do spin or we can dowe're cheap. Yeah . Or whatever
it might be. And it's like,this is a good unit and you get
what you pay for and youactually get more than that .
Honestly, I think you get morethan what you pay for with this
unit because I mean, and it'slike affordable. Here's the

(54:11):
other thing too. Like they'relike, one of the big things
when you buy like a , like asimulator app , you know,
launch, monitor , simulator,whatever is, they get you on
the like membership and it'slike, oh, it's a thousand
dollars a year if you want allthe golf courses. And it's
like, whoa , I just spent like$5,000 on this thing. And it's
like, this is actuallyaffordable. Like if you want
like the whole shebang, right?

(54:33):
All the courses and all thatstuff, it's like, it's not that
much money. It's like, it'slike super affordable. It's
almost like you're making the ,it's like you're selling a good
product, but you're notscrewing over the consumer on
the tech or like , or the fullaccess. You know? And I think a
lot of people try to do that.
Like, yeah , oh , it gonna be alower price, but we're gonna
get you up over here. You know?
And it's , it's like you'relike, no, we're gonna do a high
quality product and just for alittle bit more. Not , you know

(54:56):
, if you want the whole thing,it's like a couple hundred
bucks, not like

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Right . Like

Speaker 2 (54:59):
What they're offering is probably in my mind
is worth well over a thousanddollars if you buy like their
full version and they're noteven charging like half that.
That's my opinion. Like I thinkthat's cool.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
So, oh , thanks for saying that. I won't tell, I
won't tell our CFO that 'causeit'd be like, raise the price
to a thousand .

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Well, no, I think, I think that's a big selling
point to be quite honest. Like,because no one's doing that.
It's like people are gettingtired of subscriptions. They
don't wanna spend thesubscription, they spend five
grand on a unit, you know, andit's like,

Speaker 3 (55:30):
It's a bit of a necessary evil, you know, of
course to maintain the serversand to keep developing new
stuff. I mean there , there'songoing costs associated with
that and having thesubscription helps offset some
of that. So it, it is the bestway for us to not only go to
market with what we believe isthe best software, but to keep

(55:50):
it as the best software in thecategory. So having the
subscription, it helps,

Speaker 2 (55:56):
But the difference between you and some of your
competitors is that yoursubscription is actually
affordable. Like, it's not likeyou're gouging the consumer on
top of buying a really nice,expensive unit. You know,
within re within reason. Yeah .
That it's, it's like I don'thave a problem paying that
extra for the full max versionof whatever the subscription is

(56:19):
. I'm telling you right nowthat it's like I , it's
probably like a fifth of theprice of anybody else, right?
Yeah. So it's almost like, wellit's a no brainer. I'm actually
gonna get the full version'cause it's not that much
money, you know, like I wouldnever buy the full version of E
six. I could never afford it,but, you know, I can get the
full version . That's anotherthing ,

Speaker 3 (56:39):
You know, that's another thing I like about the
wave though, is that if that iswhat you wanna do and , and you
do wanna go get E six , by allmeans, you can run that on, on
a WA device. Yeah , you canplug it

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Device if you want to or you can use their
software. I mean

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Yeah, no problem .

Speaker 2 (56:54):
It's cool. I don't know , I think you guys have a
phenomenal product and I'm notjust saying that , that Thank
you very, I'm ,

Speaker 3 (56:58):
I'm really glad to hear you say that. It's new.
You know, we've been talkingabout it for a couple years
now. We've been in development,

Speaker 2 (57:04):
We've gone changes year . What was the first
announced in like 2020? That'swhat somebody said. And I was
like, really? I didn't knowthat. Or 19 or like the V

Speaker 3 (57:11):
One

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Was , it was announced, right? Like, oh,
we're coming out with this. Butlike, it wasn't released until
like June or something.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
When was there not APGA show? It was 2021.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
21 ,

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Right? Yeah . So we announced it in 20 then. No,

Speaker 2 (57:29):
19 .

Speaker 3 (57:29):
A five , sorry , 22 . Really? Yeah, we announced it
in 22 , January of 22, and thenwe released it in June of 23.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah, like a month and a half ago.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Yeah . Yeah. And that's just development, you
know ,

Speaker 2 (57:45):
And that's one thing Jimmy and I are talking about
too, is like, there's not, whatI, what I like so much about
this unit is, I mean , I got tosee both of 'em , right? So I
got to see like their superhigh end and I got to see their
made for the masses version andit's like so nice. There's such
great units that like, youknow, I think back to like,

(58:05):
okay, who the competitors areand like who should really be
worried right now? And the onlything that's like, it's a
matter of time before everybodyknows what Golf Zone is, right?
Like, if this is a Garminproduct, I'd be like , oh, we ,
the new Garmin thing came outand I love Garmin, don't get me
wrong. And like, you know, butlike Golf Zone , no one knows
who Golf Zone is. And it'slike, as soon as they people
do, it's gonna be like, oh,that's gonna be like, it's like

(58:26):
the, it's like the sleeping,what's it called ? Like the,
the dark horse, right? Like,you know, in the racetrack it's
like, oh, that's the one that'syou

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Watch

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Out for. Like that's, that's the

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Tortoise in the Hare man.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not just
saying honest to God. Like, Ithink like when people realize
the power of this unit, they'regonna be like, holy, you know?
And then especially if you can,I don't know , I think it's
cool. And I've , trust me bro,I've, I've done like every unit
I know every one of yourcompetitors . I know whatever .
Like , I , I've I hundreds ofYouTube videos on it and it's
like this thing is off thechart. It's cool.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
It's so cool. That's great to hear you say it, man.
We're we're gonna cut up this ,uh, we're gonna cut this up and
we're gonna use a lot of soundbites here. I can tell you that

Speaker 2 (59:06):
good . Do that.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
That'd

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Be great. I'd appreciate that. Just kidding.
Um , so where can people, it'slike, so we had somebody just
commented on the, on the livestream , he's in Korea,

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Hey .

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Okay . And he says, I'm a shareholder of Golf Zone
in Korea. Where can I buy thegolf zone wave? The golf zone
wave can be found on Amazon,Japan, but the corresponding
product cannot be found onAmazon. USA . Now I know this
because the only places you canbuy the Wave is on your
website, right? In the US

Speaker 3 (59:38):
As , as of right now? Yes . As

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Of

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Right now we are , we are soon going to be
launching on Amazon. Uh, thatis a long, arduous process that
we're near the finish of . Oh

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah . Big time.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
So yeah. Forever we'll be on Amazon soon.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
So right now, are you guys only gonna be selling
on Amazon, your website? Areyou gonna go like to third
party retailers as well? Likeall the big stores?

Speaker 3 (59:57):
No . Yeah, we'll , we'll do third party retailers
as well. It , it's all earlystages. You know, the product's
only been out for, what, twomonths, month and a half, two
months. So it takes some timeto set that stuff up. We're
going through it now. We've gotsome dealers out there who are
having some success with theproduct. Um, and we'll be going
through traditional retail aswell.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
See, what's so cool about this is like, okay, so
like if Golf Zone has these bigtournaments already, right? For
these big pots, like I couldsee you guys doing the same
thing with the Wave and belike, oh yeah, it's a million
dollar pot. And it's likeanybody who has a wave can play
in it and people could actuallyplay at their house and like,
you could really market thehell out of this thing in that
regard. Like, you know, becauseno one's doing stuff

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Like that. Like,

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
And you guys are already doing it just on a
different, on a differentlevel, on the bigger systems. I
don't know , I think this is somuch you can do with this. It's
crazy. No

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Comment. Stay tuned.
.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
So like, when I was at, when I was at Troon , like
there , the guy was explainingto me about the two vision.
It's like if you become amember or like you have an
account with Golf Zone, likeyou just have a card, you swipe
it in front of the machine, itlike knows who you are and it's
like, oh, this is JimmyMcDonald, here's all of his
information. Like it , like itjust , it knows it and it goes
to the cloud. And so if Jimmygoes and plays, you probably

(01:01:07):
have to say this part, sorry ,know this . If you were like,
if we were , if we were playingthe two vision , like it
records every one of yourswings too, which is fricking
cool. Like that's ,we got to mention that. Like it
will show you like camera view,your whole fricking swing, and
it takes that whole thing andit saves it to the cloud. So
like you can go to a , a , a ,you know, a location in New
York, go practice, go play, gohome. And you can like

(01:01:28):
literally watch all your shots,see all your data. Like it ,
the whole, like the club itshow like, it's so cool, dude.
It shows like the club stuff.
Like it shows you the club facewhen it hits the ball. Two
different, two different cameraviews on the club. Then it
shows like if you're on therange, it shows like you like
your body. I don't know , it'snuts and play .

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Right ?

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
So, cool.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Next . That's , that was great. You hit it right on
the head. And Paul, how muchdoes that service cost you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Zero,

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
$0 and all that data is saved in the cloud forever.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
And you can save it and then you could send your
instructor or you can send itto like , you can draw on it
yourself. Like even that , thatwas for Africa thing we're
gonna talk about , even on thewave, you can draw on the app.
So like you can like recordyourself, you on the wave,
right? Yeah. Because there's acamera behind you and then you
can draw on the camera and you,or you can draw on the Wave
app. Like, it's like all these,like I feel like Gallstone has

(01:02:23):
thought of all these thingsalready now . Like, oh, that'd
be a cool idea to do one day.
It's like, no dude, they'realready doing it. Yeah , it's
like just, it's just , I don'tknow . It's very advanced. So I

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
I I'm so excited to, I I'm going to Korea in about
two weeks. I haven't been sincebefore the pandemic, but I'm
going back and we're gonnaspend some time with the
development team and see whatthey've been working on. And I
can't tell you how excited I am.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
That's

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Cool . I'm gonna walk into this room with all
these ideas of what I thinkjust like you , you were saying
they've already thought of it,right? And I've got all ideas .
Yeah. These amazing .

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah, like they already know. And it's been
tested too. They've alreadytested it on the mass, right.
In the masses. It's not like,it's not like, oh, could we, oh
, it's like, when are we right

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Paul? They don't even talk about it until it's
past quality assurance testing.
They don't tell us that they'reworking on something unless it
is vetted and it works. Andthey tested it ad nauseum and
it's approved and then theinformation gets released.
Like, Hey guys, this is whatwe're working on. So for me to
go to Korea in two weeks andsee what they've been churning

(01:03:27):
out in that, in thatdevelopment office for the last
couple years, I , I wish wewere doing this podcast in two
, in three weeks, ,because there's gonna be some
wild

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Stuff follow up .
You can't even talk about itthough. You have to like, call
me on the phone and be like,bro, blah , blah . And I'd be
like, what ? Well, I don't know. I I don't get this , I don't
get , I like, heck as you, myaudience kind of knows. I feel
like that's kind of what we alllove . We all love playing with
the tech , right? Sure. And Ithink like the wave is like

(01:03:56):
honest to God flying under theRA radar right now. It's only
been out for a month and ahalf, but I think like within a
year or less, like everyone'sgonna know what the wave is and
it's gonna , I just , I thinkit's, it's a phenomenal
product. It just , it just islike, it just is, I don't know
. Again , you know, there's alittle bit of a learning curve,
but, you know , at least theonly , here's the only thing
I'll just tell you right now,and you probably already know

(01:04:18):
this. So like, the onlynegative I had to say about the
Wave simulator app is it takeslike three freaking hours to
download. Like that's thetruth. Like the , it takes
three hours to download it and, and, and it's a ginormous
program. It takes like 80 gigaspace on your computer. So like
that's a downside I would say.
And that's pretty minor. Imean, it literally takes that
long 'cause you have todownload like a bazillion not

(01:04:39):
just their file, but it's like,oh, the new framework from
Microsoft and all this othercrap, it's on, on and on on.
Yeah . And then finally itworks and you're like, okay,
cool. So I guess I gotta havetwo things on my tell your
development team that, thatthat file needs to be in one
zip file because three hours isway too fricking long and you
confuse a lot of old people.
And the other thing, like mydad and the other thing is ,

(01:04:59):
uh, what was the other thing?
Oh, it'd be cool. I'm justletting you know, it'd be cool
if you could like minimize ,like, you know, I don't know ,
like if you run the Wave app onyour computer or whatever, like
it takes over the wholecomputer so you can't like
screen record it or I couldn'tscreen record it because it ,
like, it locks down a computer.
So like, you know, andsomething you can like, you can

(01:05:22):
like put it in a window prettymuch like, I don't know, like
anything else, it won't let youdo that. It like locks it down
so you can't do that. So likethat's a downside for somebody
like me who's trying to createcontent with it, you

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Know,

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Because I can't record , I can't do a screen
record. So what I've beenhaving to do is like record my
laptop screen, which is not asnice, but I think that if they
could figure out a way, justmaking it like a, you know, a
box, you know, and you can likesize it to your , to your
monitor or whatever. That wouldbe the only thing

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
I saw. That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
You know what I mean? Well

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Just

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
For like, if someone record it ,

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
You Paul, on , on your first note. Yeah. It it's
a huge freaking file. It takesup a lot of space. Um, it's a
big program, right? So comingsoon is Vision Wave Mobile,
where we're gonna launch thatsoftware and a lighter version
of it, you know, there won't behundreds of courses, but there

(01:06:13):
might be dozens. And we'regonna launch that on iOS and
Android devices. So that'll bea mobile app that you can
download from the app store ,um, and have the same quality
of golf course. Just not thesame quantity of golf. That's

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
The thing I , and I know like, that's the thing I
think is that like you'regiving like 180 golf courses
and like think about Hun orhowever many courses, there's a
ton of 'em and you have to likeshow like, like all that
information for each course,right? Could you imagine that
times 18 holes , times howevermany , um, and then the Wave

(01:06:48):
app is easy. I mean that's nobig deal. The wave

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Whatever skills , that's that's a breeze. There's
nothing to it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
But I mean I think it's, I think it's phenomenal
honestly guys, like I don'thave to say that often. Like
this is a phenomenal unit. Likeif this is like put this in
your, like if this is in yourbudget, like I would highly
recommend it because I thinklike if you're trying to make a
sick like simulator room andyou want a system that'll just
run and it'll look really goodand then you can practice if
you want or you can take to therange. Like this is a really

(01:07:15):
good unit to get because it's ,like I said, it's only four,
it's $4,000, which is a lot ofmoney, don't get me wrong. But
like, you definitely get whatyou pay for and this could last
you like 10 years, you knowwhat I mean? Yeah . Like, and
it , of all the developmentswith the , with what you guys
are doing, I don't know . Ithink it's, it's a great unit.
I mean hon both of them so

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Great man. Thank thumbs up . Thank you for
saying so. I appreciate thatvery much. And I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
There's not a lot of information out there that's a
problem. Like there's like oneYouTube video, you know what
I'm saying? Like yeah . Be twobecause mine's coming out
really soon, but still. There

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
We go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
It's awesome. I'm those , well thanks for being
on the show. I had fun withyou. Um, same

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Here. Thank you .

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
My new Irish friend , um, , but um , you

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Can never have enough of those, man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
I think everyone's Irish though. My wife's half
Irish . Um, where, where's, canpeople find the golf zone? Like
what , what's the website?

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Yeah, golf zone golf.com. If you go to that
website, you can find all ofour product mix , uh, including
the Wave. We can buy the Waveright from our website or you
can research our other productsand reach out to , uh, sales
representatives for more info.
So golf zone golf.com.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Well, cool. Thanks for being on the show. I really
appreciate it. Um, it was nicefinally meeting you in person.
And , um, you guys can checkout the gallstone wave. It's,
it's legit. I mean, it just is.
If you , if you had a chance tocheck out the two vision, it's
gonna blow your mind. I'll justsay that what for sure it did
mind . I mean, it was the mostcoolest thing I've ever seen in

(01:08:54):
my entire life by far. So Ireally appreciate it. Thank you
Paul , and I will see you guysin the next episode.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Thanks for listening to another episode of Behind
the Golf Brand podcast. You'regonna beat me a golf stay
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