#117 - Field Day Sporting Co.: Patrick Keegan (Founder) - Behind the Golf Brand Podcast with Paul Liberatore

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today we play golf.
Let me show you how we do it inthe pros. Yeah . Welcome to
Behind the Golf Brand podcast.
I never missed with the SevenIron , a conversation with some
of the most interestinginnovators and entrepreneurs
behind the biggest names ingolf. My friends were the golf
clubs. I lived on the golfcourse, I lived on the driving
range from Pro Talk . Youshould learn something from

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each and every single round.
You play to fun from on and offthe green. Why would you play
golf if you don't play it formoney? Just let me put the ball
in a hole. This is Behind theGolf Brand podcast with Paul
Libert tore . What's up guys?
Welcome to the Behind the GolfBrand podcast. This week I have
my good friend Patrick Keeganfrom Field Day Sporting. Good

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Co . Hope I said that right? Ordoes we call it field day here?
They make some really, really,really nice apparel. Um, and
the reason why I have Patrickon the show day is not wanna
talk about Field Day, but howhe got to starting his own
brand because he's worked forpretty much the most iconic,
really golf brands out there inthe last 10 years. And it's
really fascinating and I thinkit'd be cool to hear his story

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and hear all these brands grewand, and you're just gonna have
a really good time today. SoPatrick, welcome to the show.
Thank

Speaker 2 (01:11):
You Paul. Excited to be here. So

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Where are you located?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I was thinking about interrupting your intro, but I
didn't,

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Should have , I would've , is that
something I don't really know.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I'm an hour southwest of Chicago. We're in
our hometown , um, in Morris,Illinois. My wife and I both
grew up here. It's a reallycool place. Sanctuary kind . Is

Speaker 1 (01:30):
It like, is it farmy out? Is it farmland out there
still?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, it's very rural. Um, we're the county
seat of kind of rural Illinoishere in the north central part
of the state. So we've got alot of taste and um, and
culture and cool things goingon that a lot of the
surrounding smaller towns aresupporting. You know, we're
supporting the groceries andall the different things, but

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it ,

Speaker 1 (01:55):
It's definitely , oh , like you're the big town in
the little town area prettymuch, right?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
We're the big , big town, but it's, yeah, we have I
think 15,000 people in ourtown, so it's still pretty
tiny, but we're an hour door todoor from the city so that we
still have access tocivilization.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
So like I grew up kind of near you a little bit.
Like we're, I'm from thesouthwest suburbs where my
family is. Mm-Hmm .
. So like , uh,Oak , Oak Lawn, Payless
Heights.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah. You

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Know , um,

Speaker 2 (02:23):
We're the suburbs of

Speaker 1 (02:25):
That , suburbs

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Of that. We're the suburbs of that. So yeah,

Speaker 1 (02:27):
You're further , you're like another, what, 30
minutes? Probably 25 minutessouth southwest or something.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
All right .

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah. Yep .

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I love that area. I don't know , I haven't been
back in like 10 years. My wifekeep , and I keep on saying we
wanna go back and bring ourkids there and like do it, but
like, and most of our family'sstill there, but, or my
family's still there. It just,just getting back

Speaker 2 (02:47):
There.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
I don't know , in the summertime. So many good
memories, dude.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
It's super wholesome here. Um, there's just
something about it. I've livedin New York. I lived on the
West Coast. When you come backto Chicago, there's something
about like the air here even ,um, especially out where we're
at. Like the air is sweet, it'sgot this just kind of like I

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah. Wholesome feeling to it. I don't know .

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Do they have like all those, when I was a kid,
like my grandparents, mygrandfather was a farmer out
there too. And like, he used totake us to like, we , there
always used to be these likeroadside, like stands, people
selling their produce. Do theystill do that? Is it all of

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Every Saturday our , yeah, we have , we have a
farmer's market off thehighway. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I just remember that

Speaker 2 (03:32):
We're like a Norwegian area . We're a very
Norwegian area . So like Pringlaw , if you remember that, you
know, a lot of fruit andvegetables we're , we're corn
fields all around us, but, youknow, Norwegian baked goods and
it's farm farmland for sure.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
I love that . I love it . I , I know exactly what
you're talking about. And those, those, those summer nights
are like, you know, in theeighties kind and there's like
lightning bugs everywhere and

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Just

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Like, yeah. I , I don't know . I like, that's,
it's very memorable to me, so Ilove

Speaker 2 (04:02):
It . Yeah . I mean, not to jump the gun, it's
different , but like, really,like everything we're doing is
inspired by that kind offeeling, like that childhood
feeling of what you'reexplaining, like the summer
nights and the lightning bugs.
Yeah .

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Our childhood. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I guess you're right. Yeah. Not
the , the , the, you know,sands technology childhood

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah. Pro pre 2000, right? Like that

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Kind of childhood

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Where you went outside at night and played
till 10 o'clock at night.
'cause it was like still lightout Right. In Illinois at
least. And yeah .

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah . Yep .

Speaker 1 (04:33):
I remember this .

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, I mean, it's like Kevin Arnold, wonder years
good old

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Americana. Yeah ,

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Good old days.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Small town

Speaker 2 (04:41):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
So, okay, so you grew up there, you said, and
then are you a golf pro?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
I'm not a golf pro.
Some days I wish I was a golfpro, but my dad was, my dad was
a golf pro in our hometown hereat our little, he

Speaker 1 (04:54):
He was , was that , was that his job?

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, he was the director of golf , uh, you
know, golf pro to director ofgolf to basically running
everything at our local clubhere that's been around for a
hundred years. In, in Morriscalled Morris Country Club. Now

Speaker 1 (05:07):
How far was that from where you lived? Like down
the street ?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Everything's five minutes here. I mean, that
might be an exaggeration, buteverything's five minutes. It's
, uh, it's, yeah, right downthe street, two minutes from
home for me. You

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Who taught you how to play golf? Your dad?

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Um, yeah, I, I developed the best part of my
game for sure through my dad.
We had some years, you know,it's hard to, it's hard to grow
up with your dad as yourinstructor or your dad as the,
as the person you have tolisten to, especially when it's
something that you love. Youknow, dad as a coach is not al
always easiest. So he sent meto a few people. There's a,

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there's a few folks in theChicagoland area that he
trusted that he said, okay, I'mdone having this argument. You
gotta go see Billy or John orwhoever it was. So , uh, and
then I smartened up and Ilistened, listened to him, and
I got a lot better. So,

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, because you realized your dad knew you talk
he was talking about Right ?

Speaker 2 (06:01):
He knew what he was.
Yeah . As it turned out,

Speaker 1 (06:02):
It's not just your dad. Right? Like it's,

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I hope he does , I hope he doesn't watch this
because I'm finally admittingit. But yes, no .

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Well, the thing is too, that you become a parent,
you're just like, you know,because like all you do the
same stuff, dude , even thoughyou try not to, I mean, you
don't do it as bad, let's putit that way. But you still, you
still, you're hardwired forthat, you know, like you've
been

Speaker 2 (06:26):
. Well, the problem is too, is that he
wasn't only like a great playerhimself and knew the golf
swing, but he's a retailer. Youknow, he was an old school golf
pro, so he owned his own shopat the club. And so he's still
telling me what to do 30 years later. But , uh,
you're

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Like, dad , come on

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Still . I still, I do listen, I do listen. He's
got some, he's

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Like, you gotta buy those bell bottoms. And you're
like, no , no , no , no , we'renot doing that. He's like, no,
they're really, are they stillstriped pants? You know,
because they look like the ,like the ones that , uh, Rodney
Dean , he

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Stays outta that part. He stays outta that part.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
. It's probably where you got your
eyes, right? You're like, ohyeah, I want a new , I wanna do
fashion like that. Like the ,

Speaker 2 (07:06):
I'm trying to get him to , I'm , I'm trying to
get him to wear Sands Beltagain. I'm trying to get him to
, to ditch the belt and gomodern old school, you know?
But he's now, he is scared todo it when really that's what
he grew up on. So, but yeah,no, he's more so like, we have
a bar in our store. So he ranthe club and ordered inventory,
obviously for the restaurant,for the, for the golf course.

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Like, and they really dideverything. So , uh,

Speaker 1 (07:31):
He literally ran everything. Like he ran. It was
, he was a gm, like he dideverything

Speaker 2 (07:36):
More . Yeah, Morris Country Club is a really
special place. Like , uh, youknow, your hometown club is
always like that for you, Ithink. But it was, you know,
incepted in 1924. So next yearis their , uh, centennial,
which is super cool, but it's alittle far away from everything
in Chicago to have like, trueprestige. And it's only 6,000

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yards. So, you know, it's aworking class club, but it's
really well maintained. Thestaff does an amazing job they
have for a really long time.
And , um, he was kind of partof turning it into what it
turned into, I think, overtime, with help of a bunch of
really tasteful members. Sobecause of that though, they
didn't have the opportunity tohire an assistant pro, you
know, they went through GMs alot because they couldn't pay

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guys enough who really weregreat. So superintendents the
same, you know , we got a lotof guys that came from Rich
Harvest in an assistant role orsomething, or you know, a local
great club. And then we were astepping stone to show what
they could do, and then theywent to Olympia Fields or to
whatever the next thing was. Sohe just played a lot of , he ,

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he juggled a lot, I think, inbetween things and learned a
little bit of all of thedifferent pieces of the
business. So , um, now I'mlearning that that's what you
have to do when you, and you'rein business, I guess. But he
still steps in and helps meorder my beer for the store and
stuff like that when I , I needto be designing golf shirts and
not running the bar part of thestore, which I , uh, decided

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was a good idea to do. So

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Is he retired now?

Speaker 2 (09:07):
He would tell you he is retired, but he teaches like
nine, 10 hours a day. Crap .
He's away. Crap . My mom wouldlove for him to hang it up.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Never . He likes to , I'll

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Never . He to help .
He likes to help people. Yeah,he likes to help too much. So

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Dude , he'll go , he'll be going crazy. Like
seriously, like being stuck athome. , you know, when
he went the golf courseteaching? Yeah, right. Like,
come

Speaker 2 (09:29):
On, he's good. I'm getting paid with the golf
course. So he keeps Yeah. Yep .
And make his own schedule . So, so everybody deserves to keep
, I think so .

Speaker 1 (09:38):
So growing up, you probably got pretty good as a ,
as a player, right? I'massuming like , yeah .

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Were you like scratch ? I had some really
good years . Yeah, I had acouple years where I was plus ,
um, but I just, you know ,realized really like what it
took to be that next level ofgood. Um, I had a college golf
scholarship, but I decidedwhatever the fallback plan was,
wasn't good enough to want tospend four years studying

(10:04):
something that I didn't love.
So I ended up going to fashionschool and hanging it up. And I
way more appreciate the gamebecause I'm not competing. I
think everybody that that knowsme and has played with me would
agree that I , uh, I've won ourclub championship at our club
and I, I won an event here inChicago called the Tournament

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of Champions, which is like theclub champions event where you
, all the club champions areinvited from the CDGA region.
And that's cool . Um , I justhad a good summer and I won
that too. Um, but I don'tenjoy, I don't enjoy the stress
of my life's stressful enough.
I don't really need to stressout about something that I
love. I'd way rather go outwith like persimmon woods and a

(10:47):
stroller and push my son andplay six holes and fiddle
around and screw around. So, so

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Are you still plus, or what are you right now? What
do you say?

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Um, I think my handicap probably says it, but
I haven't posted score in avery long time. Don't play me ,
uh, with that index , I, that's some about, for sure .
.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Like one time , like, I remember because I'm
like, I never really did myhandicap till this last like
year. And I think I was, I gotdown, I'm like a 16, I'm a 15
right now, right? I was a 24last year. So it's like I'm
going down fast. Wow. And thenI, then I played a tournament
and it kicked my, right? And itposted all those scores. It was
a hard course. And all of asudden, like, mm-hmm ,

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the next thingyou know, your handicap's up a
little bit, right? Becauseyou're like, what the hell? You
know, because you played like,you know, however many rounds
of golf Well with kids , kids

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Too . I mean, if you go, if you go out and have six,
seven good rounds in a coupleweeks because you got to play a
lot, or you went on a golf tripand you finally like, got a
little feel and then you gohome and you don't play for a
month because you know you'redad and, and then you go out
and have to play to yourhandicap in something else.
It's just not sustainable.
.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
It's a hard reality.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
So. All right . So then where'd you go to fashion
school at ?

Speaker 2 (12:05):
I went to the Illinois Institute of Art
downtown Chicago. Did

Speaker 1 (12:08):
You live downtown?

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I did not live downtown. Um, I lived in
Wheaton Live , uh, rented alittle townhouse in Wheaton and
took the train in every day ,which was really cool. Um, I
was a little, the metro I wasdown the way from, yeah, yeah.
Metro West. So I went , I wentthrough, you know, like, not
Oak Lawn, but I went throughOak Park, I went through
Elmhurst. Oh ,

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I've been on that road . I've been down that ,
yeah. Does that , does that goby Napperville too, that same
line, or is that

Speaker 2 (12:35):
No different, different line. I don't know
enough about it, but I knowit's not that line, but it's ,

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Uh , I remember that

Speaker 2 (12:40):
It's the original track that would've gone to the
gates of Chicago Golf Club.
That's the Metro West Line. SoI feel like through osmosis, I
was just like maybe doing theright thing, whether going to
art school or, you know, tryingto , trying to be part of golf
in some capacity. So,

Speaker 1 (12:58):
So you went to art school and then, like what,
like what made you wanna go toart school? Um , or go to
fashion school? Because I onlyknow like , um, a couple people
that did that. I think it'scool.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, I loved it.
Um, but it was only for onereason. And , you know, I , I
was gonna design golf clothes.
I was very much so the minorityin fashion school of guys that
were designing A and B, anybodythat would wanna want ,
would've wanted to design men'swear , you know, all my
classmates were doing bridaland wanted to be on the runway.

(13:35):
Yeah, yeah , yeah. So I wasdifferent. Um, that's cool .
And I think that helped meprobably get a job, but the
only reason that I, that Iended up there was to design
golf clothing. And it all camefrom growing up in my dad's
shop and having access toproduct probably, you know ,
and being around it. But I'mjust like any other nineties
kid, I think. Uh, and fromChicago , um, sneaker culture

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and like as I got into highschool things like Hype beasts
and Highsnobiety and all theselike fashion blogs and things
that were covering culture andstreet wear and sneakers and
all these things. Notnecessarily surrounding golf,
but golf was happening with ittoo. Uh, Marty Hackle, like one
of my total, you know, icons ,uh, and now a really good

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friend of mine, I talked to himon the phone last night, which
is just so full circle. And Ireminded of it every time we
talk that, like, remember whenI was chasing you or on the PGA
show and, you know, trying tojust have a conversation with
guys like that. And , um, nowI'm getting to bounce ideas off
of them about my line , butpeople like Marty and like Greg

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Monfort who runs Golf Threadsblog, tho , all of those things
were just coming out when I wasin high school. So I had
access, I guess, to what wasgoing on on tour, what people
were wearing , um, what washappening in the industry. And
at the same time, I was helpingmy dad buy for his shop. So as
a , I mean, a very interestingposition to be in, I guess as a
15 or 16 year old kid. And thefact that I even had the

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interest in versus what all myfriends were spending their
times doing , uh, was prettyunique probably. But , um, you
know, all those things, allthose, all those like media
channels gave me, and peoplegave me the opportunity to soak
up that information and figureout that it's actually like an
industry that I could be a partof. So that's why I decided to

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do it. I sat down with the Admiadmissions Council at a little
school here in Joliet called St. Francis University,
university of St . Francis. Um,it's a little private , uh,
school with a great golf team.
And they gave me a bag with myname on it, which was like the
, you know, it was like signingday, like we were talking in
our chat before we got on here.

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Um, uh, I put the hat on, Isigned my name, and then they
wanted me to declare, Hey, whatdo you wanna do? What do you
wanna study? Basically like,what are you gonna do the rest
of your life? And it was acard, you know, kind of like
that. And it had 150 differentthings on it that I couldn't
find myself doing ever. And I,I remember having a

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conversation with my mom thatnight, like, I don't know,
maybe I'll be a teacher 'causeI could teach golf. Maybe I,
maybe I do that. I , but Idon't wanna do any of this
stuff and I don't think I likegolf enough to wanna go play to
do become an instructor. Yeah.
Yeah. So I had some serioussoul searching to do, I think.

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And um, I went to the PGA show,which I went to in a stroller,
so I was always going, but Iwent with maybe a , like a
little bit of a different , um,thought process in mind that I
needed to figure this out. Andat the time it was like the
convergence or like the crux ofthe industry where things were
changing and all these littlebrands were popping up the

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coolest things ever from astandpoint of like what , uh,
had, had been happening the 10years prior . So like Travis,
Matthew and G four and LinkSoul and Seamus, and there was
a little brand , um, which isnot a little brand anymore
called Links and Kings. It wasbought by Titleist. And um, I

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remember a brand called TomMorris that , you know, some
things worked , some thingsdidn't. Yeah . Jones was at the
precipice of all thisbeginning. Yeah , they were all
brand new. And it was at thetime that there were other
really big brands in the marketwhere like Ralph Lauren and RLX
were super hot, and Luke Donaldwas world number one. And Puma
had Ricky and Lexi Thompson,and they had a DJ and a slide

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into a ball pit in their PGAshow booth. And these things
that, like , I wanted to justbe a part of , um, so, you
know, small niche purist brandsthat we're finding a new area
to kind of , um, dive into, Ithink probably based on , uh,

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pa some brands paving the waypreviously, like in Ashworth or
something that became very big.
And , um, the industry changedand they were, it was like
possible to, to bring thataesthetic back. And then, you
know, kind of the reallyperformance driven , uh, tech
pop culture brands that werebringing golf into the

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marketplace that might've notfocused on golf previously. So
I think it was just good timingfor me, but that's totally the
reason. I mean, long storyshort, but totally the reason
that I decided to do it, that Ithought, gosh, I wanna, I wanna
be around this.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
When you decided to go to , um, art school slash
fashion school, like you hadalready had experienced a lot
of that through Dad, right?
Like you've experienced , uh,you know, the apparel side of
golf and seeing the style ofgolf and, you know, all that.
Like, that's what kind ofmotivated you to like actually

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go forward and be like, Hey,this would be kind of cool to
actually do this, right ? Yeah,

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah. I had a total foundation. Um, and it , you
know, growing up you think youwanna be on the PGA tour and
then you start to like reallyhave to decide how you're gonna
spend your time. And yeah, I ,I didn't realize it maybe at
the time when I was at thatage, but I, I definitely had
some schooling in advance ofmaking that decision. So, you

(19:23):
know, he, he gave me theopportunity to , to crack into
it and the network to do ittoo, because I was able to go
to the PGA show and instead ofgoing and sitting down and
saying, we want a pre-bookspring and we want these skews,
I was able to say, oh, by theway, I'm in fashion school and
this is my portfolio. Do youwanna see my, some of my
designs? I'd like to work foryou someday , .

Speaker 1 (19:46):
So , which I think is like really smart and cool
because I think, I mean, thatwas always, I think what helped
me in life too, is when youshow interest in what somebody
else does and you like say,look, I really wanna do this
too. I would love to have , youknow, and then they actually,
like, they wanna talk to youabout it, right? Because they
did . They like, I , I feellike that that that always
works. It always works because

Speaker 2 (20:08):
How many people , well , they didn't realize

Speaker 1 (20:09):
They were , think it's cool what they do, you
know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 2 (20:12):
They didn't realize that I was selling to them .
Like we were there to buy theline and I ended up selling to
them . But one of my storieswith that, it's really cool, I
ended up working for this guyfor a lot later and I'm sure
we'll talk about it, but I wentto the Ralph Lauren Booth
'cause I thought that theirstuff was the best in the
space. And I loved everythingthat , uh, I love , I modeled

(20:33):
my golf swing after Luke Donald. So like, he could do no wrong
in my eyes. And obviously justclass and taste and everything
that that brand embodies . Um,I spent a ton of time in their
booth just, they were probablyso annoyed that I was in the
way because I just wanted to bearound it. 'cause it was so
cool. And a guy by the name ofCharlie Schafer was the

(20:56):
designer. And I was justhanging around in the booth.
And then eventually throughoutthe week we had a , an
appointment with my local rephere in Illinois who, his name
was Tracy Lick . He was a supernice guy to me. Uh, I used to
shop in his garage that he'dsell me his old samples. Like
those are some of the thingsthat I did to get into this

(21:17):
space, or at least surroundmyself with the industry. And
so we had an appointment laterin the week. He wanted to show
us the line, and then he said,Hey, you know what, I think
Charlie's here . You do , doyou like to meet him? And of
course, I have my iPad, I'mready to like, if I have a
chance to show somebody that Iwould like to do this, I'm
doing it. And uh, you know,squeaky wheel kind of thing.

(21:39):
And so he took us into this, wewent through this kind of maze
and then through the booth andoutta the booth and through the
show and out And you've been tothe Orange County Convention
Center? So like one of the siderooms are out

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah. On the side .
Yeah .

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Ridiculous . So we're, yeah, I'm 17 and I'm
following this guy bobbing andweaving through Golf Pros in
Navy Blue Blazers and NikeShocks. And we get out of this
show and there's , uh, youknow, the concession stands and
off the side of the concessionstands are all these like
really high-end hospitalitywhite rooms where they set up

(22:12):
the actual selling rooms. Sothese big brands that have all
this awesome buzz and the DJ inthe booth they like, so the
reps can actually go sell andget some work done. So we got
out there and we walked in andCharlie is sitting at this
table off to the side, and Idon't know if he'd even know
this story, but he was sittingoff to the side. And another

(22:33):
guy that I ended up working forlater also is Spencer Bass, who
was his assistant , um, waswith him . And they were
showing Ryder Cup product toTom Watson. And I, it was like
a , this is your life, youknow, kind of moment. And , um,
Tracy's like, ah , maybe now'snot a good time. . So we

(22:56):
left and stood outside for awhile, and then Tom left. And
you know, Tom Watson's like astimeless of a human as possible
and just , uh, he is the , theconsummate. So he walks out and
gave a wave and everybody waswaiting to say hi or, or just
like brushed his shoulder. Andso we went back in and I got to
meet Charlie's hand and hiswhole design team was there.

(23:19):
And I got to flip through my,my designs and um, like those
were the moments that I thinkthat I realized that I could
actually, like, not only wasthere a job there, but that I ,
I was really different I thinkin the whole sense that there
weren't many people that wantedto play

Speaker 1 (23:38):
College . They wanted to do that. I really
wanted to do that . They werelike , I really wanted , if you
wanted to do that, it was like,oh , I'm gonna do that as a
stepping stone to do somethingelse. Like, no, that's what I
want to do.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
No, I really wanted to do it. Yeah. Yeah. And so
yeah, it's, it was interesting.
I was different, I thinkbecause I played competitive
golf. I wanted to be acompetitive golfer, and then I
really figured out what Iwanted to do and I was obsessed
with it, like seriouslyobsessed with it . So

Speaker 1 (24:05):
I'm crazy. So, yeah . You , so you went to, is
fashion school four years? Idon't know. Is that normal or

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Is it longer ? Uh , it typically, yeah. Yeah, it's
a , it's an under, I mean, it'syour undergrad. It's a
bachelor's in arts, so it's afour years. I finished in
three. I had some collegecredit through high school and
um, just same money went onbecause I was not trying to
spend time in school. 'cause Iknew what I wanted. You

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Wanted well work. I was not gonna wait .

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah , you wanna I was , yeah . I was not gonna
waste .

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah , you get a piece of paper.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, and like I said, there was nobody in
school that was like me. Um , Imean, there were some really
talented people, but nobody was, um, doing what I wanted to
do. So it was just hard to, Ihad a couple instructors that
were very inspiring that Iloved being around, but that
was about it. And they knewlike, you gotta go and that . I
had a couple good friends thatare doing cool things in the

(24:56):
industry. Um, one of the girlsactually wanted to design for
Barbie, and now she's designingfor FootJoy. So there are jobs
in golf. Um, but they , that isnot what they would've wanted
to do at the time when when we were there. So I was
ready to move on.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
So do you think it would've been different if like
you went to like , uh, LA ArtSchool, you know, like the LA
Fashion school, like, becauseit's more West Coast like, or
New York, you know, where or,or that's just like how it was
back then? Or is that it stillis too , where people

Speaker 2 (25:29):
No,

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Are not wanting to do that. That makes sense. I
think ,

Speaker 2 (25:33):
You know what mean , or being in that environment,
my school, I wouldn't say waslike the most acclaimed and
it's, you know, and it's likewith my degree, like Parsons or
some of these, yeah , downtownNew York fashion schools are
really, you know, if you comeout of there, like you can get
a job at Fendi or design Yeah,

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Write your own ticket

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Down , down for Vera Wang or whatever. And, and
because they're reallytechnical and they're extremely
, um, laser focused actuallylike in one area. Like we have
a friend that's

Speaker 1 (26:07):
A subset of Yeah,

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah. We, I have a really good friend that's a , a
fabric developer, and she'sworked for Nike. And then I
have another friend who's a ,who's a textile engineer, and
she does things for UnderArmour, but they're not That's
so cool . They're not like Iwas a , I I came outta college
and I just wanted to do it all.
I think that there's somepeople that come out and

(26:29):
they're like, I want to justmake patterns, which patterns
are the, the template for howeach piece of the garment gets
cut out in fabric before itgets sewn. So it fits a certain
way. And I think that there'sjust, just a lot of different
layers of how you could getinvolved in this. And those
schools are very good for them.

(26:49):
I got to, so, well, I don'twant to spoil anything, I guess
before you continue to askquestions, but my first job was
at Ralph Lauren. Um, fastforward after our big
conversation, I guess of, ofmy, my intro into trying to
show these people what I wantedto do. But when I got there, I
met everybody and every timeI'd introduced myself, someone

(27:11):
would say, oh, I studied polisci at GW and I studied finance
at Duke. Um, you know, therewas really no one other than
the really technical peoplethat were doing the real , like
the most necessary parts of thedesign process that Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
The engineering side of it or whatever

Speaker 2 (27:32):
That went to the Yeah, the scientific, like
true. Yeah , but because Imean,

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Fashion's art, right? So it's like that's,
it's like, are you artistic ornot? And do you have an eye for
what you want to do?

Speaker 2 (27:44):
And it's taste, I think in, in a high level .
Like if it's a taste levelthing , um, so, you know,
whatever, whatever the conceptyou're trying to embody,
whatever that is, yeah, it's ataste level and it's trying to
develop an and and tap intowhatever that, like, it's these
mood boards that everybody'scoming out with on Instagram
that these , these things thatexist around the industry. And

(28:06):
I , there's so many of themnow, but there's so many people
that are really good at it. Andlike, anybody like that could
be a designer or, you know, amaybe a producer, a a director
in film or something alongthose lines. Like that industry
I think is just, it's justhaving that picture in your
head of what you want tocreate.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
It's like making YouTube videos.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
So I think it's a , yeah, I mean, you have a vision
for it. It's totally vision.
Yeah . I mean, whatever it is ,I think whatever, it's, so like
if you, I , I don't know him, Idon't know the inner workings.
I don't know anything about theinside of this brand, but at
Nike, if you watchdocumentaries about Tinker
Hatfield or any of these guys,you know, classically, I don't
know if any of them were orneeded to be trained on design,

(28:47):
but they knew what they wantedto make. And, you know ,
there's a lot of other peoplethat really know what they're
doing and how to help you seethrough that vision. But I
think the first step is justtrying to exploit like
. So then how'd you

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Get your first job?
How'd you get the job at RalphLauren ? What happened? Because
you had networked earlierthroughout your, like before
when you were in college or, ordid you intern there? Or how'd
you get your first job?

Speaker 2 (29:08):
I interned at Links Soul . So in school, I ,
between, in the summer , um, Iactually, this is kind of
funny. So I once again,network, I ended up , uh,
through my dad making a contactwith our local rep Links . Soul
had just came out and they hadall these great T-shirts. They
had to make Parnot Wart-shirts. They had a bunch of
clever stuff and really a very,very small amount of skews .

(29:31):
They had a couple polos andthey had those great , uh,
board Walker shorts. The , the, the Swim Short Hybrid, which
is one of the first of theirkind. And we asked the rep for
a contact at Link Soul if therewas any possibility of working,
you know, somehow there. And I,I figured, you know, without

(29:53):
really knowing anything aboutit, that was probably a way to
get my foot in the door. It wasa smaller brand. I figured
there were less steps tomeeting somebody.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah. Corporate.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
And , but it was, but it was also a brand that I
really like. It spoke to methat everything about what they
were, the story they weretelling, it was really
inspiring to me. So , um,without knowing anybody there
and the rep said, well, I , Ican't say that , I actually
can't say this 'cause it's likesharing personal contact
information, but it was like,yeah, his email's just

Speaker 3 (30:24):
blah, blah , blah , yeah , this ,

Speaker 2 (30:26):
That, like, just send him an email, see what he
says. So I wrote John Ashworthan email and you know, some
dorky kid, like, I really loveyou. And he wrote me back and
said, I love the idea of freehelp. And he wouldn't remember
that either, but he did saythat. And so I went and spent
the summer there. My wife camewith me and she got an
internship at another reallycool little brand. And , uh, we

(30:48):
loved it. We spent two monthsin San Diego, which felt like,
you know, a long time at thattime in your life. But , um, we
worked for John and then I cameback and spent my , uh, my
senior year and, or junioryear, which was my senior year.
And then , uh, I went to thePGA show again, and this is
when I really started to dig inand I worked really hard to try

(31:09):
to figure out really where Iwas gonna land end up. And
Charlie had told me that I hada job if I wanted it, and that
, that we would figure it outat Ralph Lauren. And this is
my, probably my third timemeeting him. And , um, you
know, they're really high , high, high efficiency
business and like so manydifferent things happening and

(31:30):
getting pulled a lot ofdifferent directions. So it
took a long time to try to dialin, you know, the job
description, what it actuallywas when I might be there. Um,
and I kind of lost touch withhim for a little bit. And , uh,
we, I , I reached out to somepeople on LinkedIn. I I tried

(31:54):
to connect with as many peopleas I could at the company. And
finally I met with a couplepeople and I got a call, or I
got into contact with a couplepeople. Um, one of them was,
her name was Sasha Kelly, and Ihad no idea who I was emailing
because I was just trying toget in touch. And, you know,
she was the SVP of Men's Designand Women's Collection on, you

(32:19):
know, it was a very long jobtitle and I had no idea what it
meant because I was 17. Yeah .
Or 18, you know, I was , I was2021 , uh, yeah, 20. So Sasha
wrote me back so kindly andsaid, let me talk to Charlie.
And I think at the time she waseven above Charlie. So , uh,

(32:41):
, you know, he finallyreached out and I didn't really
know how I, how I got in touchor who really, you know, drove
the point home that I wanted toget in touch with him. But he
called me back one, one way oranother and we had a
conversation and he said, thisis how much we can pay you. And
I said, okay, let me get backto you. I said, you know, I've

(33:04):
done some numbers and I feellike this is what I need to
make to move to New York andafford to live. And he said,
Patrick, either you , you'regonna take it at this, you
know, rate or someone else isgonna do job .

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Sorry Charlie,

Speaker 2 (33:19):
My job .

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah. .

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah. You're like, oh no , he said somebody else
is gonna do it. Like everybodywants to work here. And he is
like, and I'm not just sayingthat because I, you know, yeah,

Speaker 1 (33:27):
He's not being a jerk. He's truth .

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Like , he's like , drop Lauren , like legitimately
you're , yeah, you're gonna doit for this or someone else
will. And I don't even think Ihung up. I just said, okay,
I'll do it. And I, you know, Ihad a , the , the living room
conversation with your dad whenyou're trying to get your first
job and negotiating and tryingto think about, okay, what do I
need to make or what, you know,what if he says this, what if

(33:49):
he says that I was always areally a planner and I hung up
and he said, so what did hesay? And I said, well , I got
the job. And he said, what areyou gonna make? And I said,
this amount . And he goes,that's not enough. And I said,
what I said, and he goes, well,okay. So that's kind of how it
all happened. So I, you know,Sasha Kelly is another one.

(34:10):
There's a lot of people outthere that like really helped
me get to where I got. But itwas because I was just super
freaking annoying. I mean, Ijust kept bugging everybody to
try to figure out how to meetthe person I needed to meet, to
be where I wanted to be. And Igot a job offer at Links Soul
actually at the same time. ButI'd spent some time at Links
Soul and I just felt like Ineeded to see, I mean, it just,

(34:31):
Ralph Lauren I felt like was anopportunity I couldn't pass up.
Um, and it was New York City,like it was, if you're gonna,
if you're gonna do it, that's,that's crazy .

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah. Because you're like, look, this is like a
resume builder too. I did itfor like a year. It's like, oh,
you r Lauren run . It's likeinstant credibility. I don't ,

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Right. Especially , I don't know if I ever felt
like that. I don't think Iever, I was just , you're too
young looking now

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Back, you're like, oh , that might been a smart
idea.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I think so for sure works .

Speaker 1 (34:56):
I was totally, yeah ,

Speaker 2 (34:58):
I was totally operating based on like passion
and , and what I wanted tospend my time doing, which I
have a lot of young kids thatwork for me now, and I try to
preach that as much as I can.
Free excuse . Well, yeah ,kidding . I'm totally kidding .
Yes. Yes . Slave labor. Um, no,but it's expensive to , it's
expensive to pay people now ,um, whether you know, college

(35:23):
degrees or not, it's like,Lululemon's paying $18 an hour,
it's hard to compete. But yeah,I try to talk about it all the
time. And we work towards, youknow, just 'cause I just felt
like on accident I made all theright decisions just based on
really fi trying to find what Iloved. And I, I was lucky to,
to, I was lucky to You went to work at Ralph for

(35:45):
it .

Speaker 1 (35:46):
And what happened?
How long were you there?

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I was at Polo for, so I worked in the golf and
tennis division. I didn'trealize I was taking a job in
tennis, but it's part of thatcategory for them. So I worked
in golf and tennis and I waspart of the , um, design of the
Ryder Cup team gear and puttingtogether some of the
presentation of how that stuffneeded to be dressed and
merchandised and , um, sendingproduct to tour players. And so

(36:13):
my job there was called conceptdesign, which was really cool.
It was like a junior creativedirector job, essentially. Like
I got to follow around the mostimportant people in the, in the
department who made all thedecisions and like organize
their magazines sometimes, butother times , uh, you know,
like really have some creativeinput, whether it was listened

(36:35):
to or not. I got to soak up aton there and I was there for a
year. Um, it felt like a , onceagain, at that age, everything
feels like an eternity, but ,um, it felt like a long time.
And one day Charlie just cameto me and said, Hey , um, am
leaving, I'm gonna leave. Andhe said, I'm not sure when it's

(36:56):
gonna happen, but I'm gonnaleave. And um, Maureen
Whitaker, who I was working forat the time, is really gonna
need somebody who can, who canhelp in this department. You
know, there's gonna be a littlebit of a hold to fill and they
need , they're really, they'relooking for great people.
They're gonna hire probably acouple more if it happens. But
, um, you know, I think you'llbe really great. And, and it

(37:19):
wasn't like at all like a, Hey,come work for me, but I made it
a, Hey, come work for me thing.
'cause I was like, oh, ifyou're going, I'm going.
Because I, I just felt likeCharlie at the time was, you
know, the reason thateverything was happening the
way that it was. He had greatrelationships with tour players
and he is just, he was just aguy that I idolized and, and he

(37:40):
was a role model of mine reallyquick when I was at that age.
So , um, I told him, if you'regoing, I , I'd love the
opportunity to to go and knowwhat you're doing and what's
happening next. And so yeah, acouple different things
happened throughout the nextsix months and it probably

(38:01):
happened a little slower maybethan it was supposed to, but ,
um, I didn't know anythingabout it until like a month
before he was gonna leave. Andthen he said, Hey, I'm going
and this is what I'm gonna do.
And I said, you know, I'd liketo do that, I think too. And so
we talked about it a little bitand I never thought that I'd
have another chance to do astartup , you know, at that
age. It's like you see that ontv, like you see Silicone

(38:23):
Valley and Oh ,

Speaker 1 (38:26):
That show

Speaker 2 (38:26):
On , uh, .
Yeah. And the things like that.
Like you think

Speaker 1 (38:29):
That so funny.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
There's just never gonna be a , I just thought
that there was never gonna beanother chance. Like this is
my, like at 22 years old, thisis like, I have no risk. I no
kids. How was I ever gonna haveanother chance to do this and
like, go start something. Um ,ever fast forward , I've just
worked for, well, fast forwardI worked for like a ton of

Speaker 1 (38:50):
A million startups, but still it's 'cause you

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Skillset . Yeah .
Whether

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Like ,

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Well also I just think it's the way, the way our
industry works. There's a lotof room for new cool things and
I just happen to like be reallylucky with timing for a bunch
of different stuff. So , um,anyway, I had

Speaker 1 (39:07):
A conversation .
Yeah . Hard conversation.
You're a little bit of unicornthough too because like you've
experienced it. Like, you know,most people don't have one
chance of experiencing that,right? Like, they're at a
startup and it got big wellthat was their one chance,
right? Or like, they got astartup and it failed and they
went back to doing somethingcompletely different. But like,
you've got to see multiplestartups and be part of those

(39:29):
processes so you can, you , youget the best of each p each
bit. You've learned somethingso you're like, okay, I know
what needs to be done. Where Ithink, I mean it's, yeah , it's
really cool dude. Honestly.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Thank you. Yeah, no, I've been really lucky. And
it's really just because I saidyes to everything. I just, and
I , and I'm such a peoplepleaser to a fault , um, that I
, you know, some things Iprobably got taken advantage of
a little bit on in , in certainways because I just want
everybody to be happy so bad.
Like to the point that I just,you know, ruined my own life
because of it. But I, yeah, I,anytime there was something

(40:04):
that seemed like it was I couldbetter myself with and it felt
like a better fit for me, I wasdoing it. So , um,

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah. That's cool.
So then, so then what happenedafter, like who have you, I
guess kinda like in the lastseven or eight years, like name
the brands that you've workedfor so people kind of
understand like yourexperience. 'cause it's gonna
blow your mind, you guys.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, so I left Ralph Lauren and we were going
to try to bring a brand calledSVO to the United States.
They're a great Italian brand ,um, with awesome fabrics and we
were gonna try to put a littlerlx flavor on that. Um, and
that didn't work out so well.
Um, and then with our backsagainst the wall and nothing
kind of with , you know, in ,in front of us, we started

(40:51):
Grayson. So I was the firstemployee at Grayson with
Charlie. Crazy. That's pretty

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Crazy.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I mean, I would say we left Ralph Lauren to start
Grayson, that's probably whatthe story is now. That's what
everybody would say. But weleft and kind of had a tough go
at it , um, and just keptchugging. And Grayson was named
after Charlie's firstborn. Soyou can imagine the stress on
not having a job for either ofus , uh, with a, with a
one-year-old. Um, so we didthat. And then, you

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Know what , that's like you , you have a one year
old . I mean like imagine that,right? Yeah . Now you're but
even more hungry I think onceyou get the kids. 'cause you're
just like, I had to do this,

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I gotta do it. Yeah, yeah. And it's easier when it's
something that you love to do.
Um, but yeah, it's , that wouldbe, it's crazy. I didn't have
any idea at that time the levelof stress. I thought I was
stressed, but I had no idea. Um, and yeah, so I was in New
York and doing a reversecommute to Bedford Hills where
Charlie lived and I just didnot like living in New York.

(41:48):
Rewind, you know, with a dadwho's a golf pro and a a little
fun quiet club in our backyardto play all the time. New
York's a really hard place toplay golf unless you have a
helicopter. So, and I didn'tbecause I took that job I told
you about for , youknow, before anybody else would

(42:10):
take it at Ralph Lauren. So Ididn't make very much. Um, so I
left and moved back to Chicagoand then I ended up in
Greensboro, North Carolinashort after working for a
company called Duck Head , um,for some guys that worked at
Ralph Lauren as well . And DuckHead invented khaki pants. They

(42:31):
repurposed army tents, whichwas a fabric called Duck Canvas
and hence the name Duck Head .
So really cool Americana , um,brand. And that was kind of my
first introduction into a Nongoproduct. I guess they were
preppy enough to be golf, butit was really just men's wear .
And I started to kind ofdevelop my taste, I guess,

(42:53):
around just clothing, you know,and not necessarily golf
apparel. Um, and shortly after,based on some private equity
decisions, I think there way ofoperating changed. A couple
people left, a couple peoplewere let go and the company was
very different and I just kindof saw the writing on the wall.

(43:14):
It looked like they were yeah ,

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Going

Speaker 2 (43:16):
To sell it. They looked like they were gonna
sell it. So I , um, I had noidea what to do and I called
John Ashworth and I just said,Hey John , you know, we , and
we had talked a lot while I wasdoing everything that I had
done. And um, and this was in areally short amount of time. I
mean this was in like this ,the series of three years. Um,

(43:42):
but we kept in really closecontact and I really,
throughout the time I was atall those brands, I just kept
kind of searching for what theAshworth family had built
because they built what theywanted to build with, with the
people they wanted to build itwith. So Link Soul was like,
you know, John and Brother Hankand Sister Mary. Yeah .

Speaker 4 (44:04):
And

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Sister Jojo and everybody involved. You know,
Dave, who is the , their CFOwas a brother-in-Law. And I
mean, there are just so manyparts of it that they were just
doing it exactly the way theywanted to do it. And that was
really inspiring to me. So I, Ijust admired them to no end.
And I reached out to John and Isaid, Hey, I don't know what to
do. I see there's jobs inCarlsbad and Adidas. I know you

(44:26):
know that, you know more thanyou probably wanna know .

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Ashworth was sold to Adidas. So , uh, but I'm like,
these, there's jobs available.
What should I, should I not,what should I be thinking? And
I really wasn't looking for ajob with him. I didn't even
know that there was oneavailable. But I was just
looking for help. And he said,well, we need help. Um , they
were opening a store inHuntington Beach , uh, and
said, we don't have anybody torun it and we don't have
anybody to design it and we'dlove you to do both. And I

(44:54):
said, well, my wife Kristen ,who has worked everywhere
around, you know, my job andfollowed me kind of throughout
the country and things that Ihad to do, I said like, she
needs something and she needsher own thing and I need to
find her a job and I would likeher to like what she's doing
and we can't really move untilshe figures that out. And he
said, well, you can't do italone. And little did he know

(45:16):
this entire time we'd worked atthese other brands, we had this
dream of opening our own storeand we were gonna be able to
open our own store for LinkSoul and run it together. So it
was kind of the perfectpractice thing. So

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah . The trial run too for you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
A little bit to now you've opened a , a little bit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
You've opened a store now, right? Like that's
huge.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, I didn't think of it that way at that time,
but it was just once again,another opportunity. And it was
something that we were gonna ,it was like with people that we
loved for a brand that webelieved in and , uh, something
that we

Speaker 1 (45:48):
. Where was that at Costa Mesa. Where
was that? That

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Was in Huntington Beach, yep . Oh , nice. And
then we ended up opening threemore , uh, or two more, three
total. One in Oceanside attheir headquarters at the lab,
and then one in , uh, Alamedaat a golf course called Ika
Park. So those are all the bigones. And then I ended up
moving home. Um, retail wasamazing to us and we watched
everything that they had builtwith the people that they

(46:12):
loved. But as we did it, werealized that the people that
we loved happened to be inChicago. And you know, both of
our parents sets of parents arehere in Morris, Illinois. Our
grandparents were here , um,just felt like life was here.
So we wanted to do what theydid and do it ourselves with
our people. Um, so I moved homeand it was still another four

(46:33):
years at home before I was ableto do what I wanted to do. But
I, I scratched a lot ofpeople's backs and they
scratched mine to be able toafford to do this now. So I
guess quickly, I worked atGrayson again as a design
director there for a handfulmore years and helped with a
lot of different things inretail development and product

(46:53):
design. Um, I designed for TrueLinks wear . I designed for my,
one of my best friends in theworld, AK Barty at Seamus. Um,
I helped develop product forFire Pit Collective. I designed
product for Golfers Journalwith Brendan . I worked for the
8:00 AM golf group. So I I didall of Mira's merchandise. I've

(47:15):
done Golf magazine. I did,yeah. Which I like love. Yeah .
Um, worked for golf.com. Iworked for Jack Nicholas Design
, you know, master's is limitededition, this, that, and the
other for a lot, a lot ofpeople. Um, and it's really
cool 'cause I got to wear a lotof different design hats and
everybody's brands are sodifferent and the ethos with
what everybody was doing was sounique that I got to just like

(47:38):
buy the hour, be like, okay,you know, TrueLink for

Speaker 1 (47:43):
New Hat , new Brain . Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
And, and Style .
They set the founda, they setthe foundation for what those,
what their aesthetic was. So Ididn't have anything to do with
that, but like I got to tapinto what they were so cool
about, you know, and with, soyeah, and it , and not all
product categories, but like alittle here, a little there for
a lot of different people and ,um, yeah, just really enjoyed

(48:07):
collaborating with all thesefolks for so long.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
I bet The way you were able to get these jobs, it
was pretty much word of mouth,right? Like friends of yours or
a brand you worked with, or itwas like you went go apply 'em
for a job, right? I wouldassume like, almost like, not a
consultant role, but like,they're your employee, but like
you're also like, okay, we knowwe can do this because we need

(48:32):
somebody like that right

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Now. Yeah. I've never, I've never had to apply
for a job, so that's prettylucky. But I, yeah, and not so
much word of mouth becauseeverybody's a competitor.
That's the interesting thing.
Like everybody is trying tocarve out their

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Little keeping to themselves.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, a little bit.
I mean, everybody's trying to ,you know, carve out their
little niche. But , um, a lotof the, a lot of it came from
like, Hey, I see you're inChicago, you know, a lot. Like
if they knew me from Links Soulor they knew me from Ralph
Lauren or they knew me fromGrayson or anything else I was
doing, it was like, what areyou do ? Like, do you have a
job? Do you need some , do youneed some help? Um, and then I

(49:07):
would just talk about what Iwas doing and that I, you know,
could help. And I had thecapacity and I'd love to help.
And then I ended up, you know,digging into

Speaker 1 (49:16):
being more Yeah , more experience and
like, and yeah ,

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Learning

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Something new and making something cool. And, you
know, that's , so then when didyou start , um, field day? Like
when did that actually start?
Start?

Speaker 2 (49:31):
So, Grayson was my biggest , uh, workload, I guess
I would say. Like, I had arelationship where I had the
capacity and ability to workfor other brands while I worked
for Grayson, essentiallyfull-time. Um, so it was a lot
of nights and weekends tryingto help everybody else and do
everything I was doing forothers. But we had my son Ford

(49:54):
on July 14th, 2021. So seventh, all seventh , 7, 14 21. And
we had a week off. And I got acall in the hospital that there
was a store that might have anopportunity to , uh, open up.
And in my mind it was like theperfect location. And I had

(50:17):
known this for, you know, thelast 10 years kind of thing,
like if that ever cameavailable. I wanna ,

Speaker 1 (50:23):
What was it before?

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Um, a lot of things growing up. It was a home goods
store called Hanover Linens. Itwas a , um, you know, bedding
and, and furniture store. Um,but everything, I mean, so that
, this is a really cool, I meanit's a , there's a ton of
history here. Um, the, my, mygreat-great grandfather was a

(50:48):
Hines , H-Y-N-D-D-S, that's,that's , uh, my grandpa's last
name. And the family that ownsthe building is, is the Hines
family. And not because ofanything, 'cause they're very
distant relatives, but when theoriginal building was built, it
was the Hinz Family Generalstore, which is a , which is a
, a family apparel store, andthen it became the Hines

(51:11):
Brothers footwear store. And ,um, you know, all these really
cool pieces of history. Soactually, like, I feel like it
was a bit meant to be that I'mhere , um, might be a bit
contrived to try to make senseof that, but , um, I think
it's, it's pretty cool thatancestors in some capacity of
mine once ran an apparel storehere. Um , crazy. It's like

(51:34):
weird, but , but this , it'sreally like , bro , like ,
that's weird,

Speaker 5 (51:37):
Right? I mean, think about it. Like ,

Speaker 2 (51:39):
It's really weird.
Yeah. And I don't know if itmeant it was in a good way not
, but don't think these thingshappened . I don't think these
things happened by accident,

Speaker 5 (51:47):
So , no , of course not.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Um, so yeah, so we're honored to , to be able
to have the space and it's abeautiful space, a 200 year old
space with original tin tile .
And , um, I gave Paul thewalkthrough when we were
chatting earlier. So , um, butbefore we took it over, it was
a private bar. Um, so it waslike a members only bar and

(52:09):
small group of family friends.
And in little towns like ours,I guess that can exist , um,
because the rent's not tooexpensive and everybody can
chip in and have their ownlittle cool place. So they did
a really good job of makingthis place feel like an old,
you know, 1920s kind ofspeakeasy, brick and mortar
bar. And I just got wind that ,you know, it might, there might

(52:33):
be a chance that, that it couldcome available. So I had a
phone call with the landlordand he said, yeah, let's do it.
We're ready. And there was aneighboring space that wasn't
available, but , um, there's mywife , uh, sorry. Um, so yeah,
there's a neighbor neighboringspace that was available and it

(52:53):
was an engineering firm. Um,and I just said, what about
that one too? Is that oneavailable? And, 'cause I know
that they own both spaces andhe said, no, but let's just see
what we can do. And now we, nowwe're in it. So we have both.
And , um, yeah, so I, I had myson July 14th , I took a week

(53:14):
off, and then I quit my jobwith Grayson a week later. Um,
just like, totally solely, I ,I love my job at Grayson and
the people that I was workingwith at the time, but I was, it
was just totally meant to beall the , all the, the cards
were falling into place witheverything that I had always
dreamt of. So , um, so we gotthe keys in September and

(53:37):
opened

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Last year,

Speaker 2 (53:39):
November 1st, 2021, sorry, super long.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
But yeah, November 1st, 2021.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Um, so, but were you already designing apparel for
it as you opened like a retailstore? Like did you have like
a, a Shopify store or somethingbefore that? Or you had
nothing?

Speaker 2 (53:55):
I had a Squarespace,

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Which , oh , you're really dating yourself. You
must use , uh,

Speaker 2 (54:00):
You may know it is not very good at e-commerce
based on what Shopify is ableto do now. But , um, I only had
like, you know, six to 10 itemsfor sale. So like, even while I
was at Link Soul , I wasstarting to tip toe into, like
we said earlier, the mood boardand the, you know, the, the

(54:22):
e-comm and social media kind ofcombo. And we made a couple
things. We made a hat, we madea couple T-shirts, we did this.
And I shipped it out of mybasement for a long time, but
it wasn't really a realbusiness. It was just like this
logo. And so the field Day boy,the Run Boy and what it
embodies kind of has turnedinto what the store is. And ,
um, I didn't know in whatorder, but it's just all, like,
everything I always pictured ishappening all about .

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Are you on Shopify now?

Speaker 2 (54:46):
I am, yeah. . Okay . I was making sure.
Thanks for Yeah , .
Yeah , just like .

Speaker 1 (54:53):
It's great. You're not, you're not, you're not on
like MySpace or anything, areyou?

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Shopify is great because you can link retail and
e-comm, so you can have aphysical space in an e-comm
Yeah. eComm storefront. So ourinventory is shared in the , in
both, which is nice.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
That's awesome.
That's actually really cool.
'cause then it's like, yeah ,

Speaker 2 (55:12):
You just

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Have your, your inventory, you know exactly
what you have and you can shareit. So then what made you come
up with a run boy ? Like didyou draw that? Did somebody
else draw that? Did you findthat? So what's the deal with
that?

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I drew the first in iteration , um,

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Was a stick man .
Just kidding.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
, pretty much, no, it was a boy with a
striped t-shirt. Um, and it wasinspired by like a newspaper
clipping of actually a newsboy.
And it was, you know, Googleimages. I found it somewhere
and I changed it a little bitenough to be a logo. And I
found another brand in Japan,or it was actually a coffee
shop that was like way tooclose to the logo that I had.

(55:50):
And they definitely found thesame clipping that I did, and
they changed it to their way.
But looking at them next toeach other, you'd be like, what
are these guys doing? So I, youknow, things evolve and um, I
just knew that I had toactually get in touch with
somebody that could take myidea and turn it into what I
wanted it to be. So , um, I hada really good friend that was

(56:13):
an amazing graphic designer andhas his own little product
company and I just said, canyou just put other , another
eye on this? 'cause I cannotfigure it out. And when you're
drawing people and faces andyou know, bodies, it's really
hard to get right. So , um, wejust worked through it for a
couple months with somebodythat I really appreciated and
thought, you know, knew what hewas doing. And , um, yeah, we

(56:36):
Hammond egged it and turned itinto what it is now. So that's
him, the run boy . That's our,that's our man.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
So then how long have you had Run Boy since you
started the brand in thebasement or when you like
started?

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yeah, it was really the first thing. It was really
the first thing. Yeah. So FieldDay by definition,

Speaker 1 (56:52):
I , yeah ,

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
No, I agree. I think like you can't be a brand
without a real logo, right?
What are you of ?

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yeah. Not , well, I think that going back to like
the Hype beasts and the all ,all those cultural things, you
know, design was also brandingand, you know, wanting to have
the certain products and piecesthat the best companies made.
You wanted the logo, the PoloPony. So , um, you know, I

(57:20):
think it all started with that,but Field Day by definition is
a day devoted. So I think thatis to what, like
Merriam-Webster Dictionary datadevoted it . And I think that's
what to whatever it is that youlove to do. I think third
bullet point down, 'causethere's the 1, 2, 3, I think
the third bullet point down is, um, that it's like a day at
play or something along thoselines. So those things , those

(57:41):
two things kind of infused iskind of what I think our lo our
logo embodies. The runwayembodies.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
So what is your aesthetic? Like what, like what
is Field day? You know, likehow would you describe ?

Speaker 2 (57:56):
I think it's a little, it's it's evolving, but
I think , um, the, the brand asa whole is very heritage
athletic, we're inspired. Um, Ithink if you picture 1940s
through 1960s, maybe into theseventies a little bit , um,
you know, this like good olddays mentality and mid-century

(58:19):
ideology of design. Um, andthat can go as far as like
Americana and, you know, an oldsoup can for a cool font or
Arnold Palmer and a golfproduct. So, you know, from
graphic t-shirts to all thedifferent product categories
that we're in now, I think, youknow, we're just touching on a
lot of different things. But welove the peanuts, we love, you

(58:43):
know, I love Charlie Brown, Ilove Norman Rockwell. I'm
inspired by,

Speaker 1 (58:47):
I love Peanut, you know ,

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Those kind of things. Wonder years . Yeah.
Honey Roasted.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Uh, so what is your favorite thing to design out of
all the stuff that you haveright now for Field Day and
with golf? Like is it theshirts, is it the polos is ,
what is it? Like, what do youlove doing?

Speaker 2 (59:05):
I think that , um, it's a mix. I think that like,
inspiration hits you atdifferent points and you just
have to have to do what, what ,uh, it feels like work when you
have to do it. So I think thatwhen you have an idea, you just
gotta sit down and work on it.
And I think that's the luckything about what I do in
design, that I'm able to dothat. But I have a lot of
chores with the retail storethat I have to do. So it's hard

(59:28):
to have the energy and thecapacity, quite honestly, to
actually continue. Um, and likeafter a long day in the store,
like we have a tuck , we have atuck rental business in our
store for our community.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Yeah. Yeah . Who the one who does it?

Speaker 2 (59:43):
No, I'm not the only one and I'm actually like very
uninvolved, luckily in a , in alot of it. Um, because it's a ,
it's a kind of a highmaintenance , um, oh yeah.
There's just a lot of , there'sa lot of babysitting on
different things to makeeverything perfect. And I only
have to jump in when I'mneeded, which is really lucky.
Um, so I have a , a great , uh,uh, an employee here named

(01:00:05):
Vicki that handles kind of theday-to-Day on, on Tuck fittings
and picking things out. And um,so

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
It's like field day's more than just like, I
guess what people understand,like you're your own brand, but
like you also have your ownretail space, which is like
different, you know, it's notlike just a store, right?
Because you were telling mebefore and you gave me the
tour, it's like you have a barthere and you have a barber
shop and you have all thisstuff inside the store.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Every step of the way kind of has been like a
stepping stone to figuring outhow I was gonna afford to
create my own brand, quitehonestly. And the store is a
platform for our brand tosurvive, I hope, if that makes
sense. And I wasn't reallyplanning it as such, I don't
think, but it's working outthat way. Um, we, you know,

(01:00:52):
working at all the brands thatI did and learned learning what
I did was really great. Gettingto then consult for all the
companies that I did, gave methe financial ability to start
my store. The store now hascreated an opportunity mixed
with consulting for brands toafford my opportunity to launch
my product company. And there'sa lot of little things that I

(01:01:14):
had to do that I love all ofit, but there's things that I
like more than others. Um, soyes, the, the retail business,
there's certain things thatjust have to, that our
community needs. So we sell, soour , our retail store we call
Field Day Social because it's a, Um , really a social setting.

(01:01:34):
It's a safe place for ourcommunity. I feel like we have
shuffleboard, we have pingingpong, we have all the things
that you can have a field daydoing that's cool. Um, we have
a pool table, but all of themare dual purpose fixtures. So
we put product on it and if youwanna play it, we can clear it
off and let you play it. And ifnot, you might find something
you love on one of the tables.
We have a bar, we have abarbershop. Um, the bar is

(01:01:57):
really kind of like a cool ,um, not, it's a full service
bar, but we have six drafts ontap. We've got Tito's, full
Woodford, capping Oregon . Likewe have one type of , uh,
spirit for every categorybecause we don't really wanna
be a full encompassing bar. Sowe, we have a little bit of

(01:02:18):
that, little bit of this,little bit of that. We have a
barbershop. Um, yeah, I didn'tthink I'd be a bartender, but I
am. Some days when I went tofashion school, I didn't think
I was gonna end up . Do you have you a liquor
license? Being a bartender? Wehave a liquor license and I
ambassador certified .

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Oh my gosh . What ?
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
To to make drinks.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Did you go to the bartender school can do ?

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
No. You , there's an online course though that you
have to, to take to be able toserve people

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Responsibly . I remember , I remember as a kid,
and I would be sick in thesummertime, or not summertime ,
like during school, I'd be likewatching tv, like there'd be a
commercial for the bartendingschool. I always remembered
that. I was like, oh , that'dbe the coolest freaking school
to go to . Like , youknow , it's like for the
deadbeat people that like hadno jobs and like were watching
TV,

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Martinis on fire, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
And then after that would be the empire , um,
carpet, commercial, , , you know, talking out
right away. Like that stupidsong .

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Right . I just heard the song. I heard the song

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
5 5 8 . I even , yeah, good

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Time . You did live in the Midwest

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
For a little bit, so , and I spent half

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Yeah , we have a , sorry, sorry, sorry. I love
this. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Oh no , I mean like, I just, I grew up out here, but
like my family was all fromChicago . Like , we're always ,
always are like five times ayear, bro. I wasn't , I was , I
was here for school pretty muchand then we'd be back in
Chicago, so

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah. Yeah. I

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Love it there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
It's the nineties. I love all those nineties hit
nine nineties nostalgia. Um,but yeah, I mean, I guess back
to your original question,there's a lot of things that
like, have to happen for yourbusiness to survive, I think.
And , um, hopefully you likedoing them, but there's some
things that obviously you mightnot like. And , um, there's
definitely pieces of that. Andthen there's other things that
I just like totally geek outon, like the buying and the

(01:04:01):
merchandising and dressingmannequins. What

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Do you love ?

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Oh , all the , you like that part?

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
That's the part you love . Oh,

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
I love it. Yeah. I love putting things together.
Don't you? Like I love , um, Imean bartending , there's not
much, there's not no, I do, Ido like bartending. 'cause you
get to connect with customersand, and typically like when
you, you know, make aconnection, it turns into
business. Um, that relationshipjust naturally turns into that
stuff. Um, uh, I mean, theaccounting part of it is not

(01:04:31):
very fun. It's not theinvoicing,

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
You know ? Yeah .

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
The cha the chasing the

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Chasing money and they owe you. They had no
problem . Oh , oh yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah , yeah .

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
The legal side, the legal. I hate that stuff, dude.
Like, yeah,

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Like

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Somebody sent me a contract the other day and I
just like, they're like, oh,here's a contract we wanna do
with you. And I had to spentlike the next like three hours,
like ripping it apart. And I'mlike, who wrote this? I'm like,
and I , and I sent it back andI was like, listen dude, like
I'm not doing that. Like, I'mlike, here's what I'll do. And
I've already spent time on itand then they accepted it. I'll
do that. I was like, all right, cool. Because you sent me a

(01:05:04):
bunch of information that didnot even apply to our
situation, but

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
I

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Hate that dude.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Yeah . Oh yeah.
Yeah. There's a lot of back andforth on that side of it. And
it's unfortunately, like thestuff that's not right in front
of you. So it's the stuff youhave to do when you really
shouldn't be working. I think.
So maybe I'd enjoy it if it waslike actually when I , what I
showed up to do. But ittypically is the stuff that you
have to try to play catch up .

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Well, I think you're , I mean, I think your style's
fricking cool as hell, dude.
Like when I , and like youcould , like , you go to this ,
like , you gotta check out thiswebsite. I'll tell you , you'll
tell you what it is in aminute. But like, if you saw
the quality of like the actualproduct, it's like, it's, it's
amazing. Like, honestly, I waslike, holy crap. Like, this is
like figure like a Grayson,like if you buy a Grayson

(01:05:47):
product, like what that qualityis or like a high-end product,
but like not a super high-endprice. It's like, it's hard to
explain. Like you could tellthat, you could tell the
quality's there and you can seeit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
It's

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Just not gonna be like a hundred t-shirt, you
know, like , thanks .

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
It's gonna be Yeah .
I mean , affordable mean ,there's , there's ways to do
that. Yeah . I mean there's alot of opportunity to like, and
I think unfortunately when youdesign something, there's an
opportunity to just keep addingthings and always you

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Should bedazzle it.
Thinking ,

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Thinking about , yeah. Studded. No , I think
that once you, you know, youhave a , it's hard. You gotta
try to figure out how to, it'sa happy medium in costing and
positioning yourself correctlywhere it's accessible, but also
pulling out all the stops thatyou want to make it really
special. Um, so that's the fineline. We're dancing. We're

(01:06:36):
lucky to be working with, youknow, a lot of really great
factories and some that are,that we've worked with in the
past that are, that are makingall the best product in the
space. Um, so yeah, it's, it'sgood stuff. Um, and hopefully
has a little bit of a differentvibe and a different story than
what else is in the market.
We're hoping to go a little bitof a different direction. Don't
wanna follow. So

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
That's cool. Well, where can people find you ?

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
You can find us on Instagram at Field day social .
That's kind of where we tellour stories that our retail
store , uh, which is just areally awesome little men's
general store. Uh, the tagthere is Field Day Morris ,
M-O-R-R-I-S. Oh, you have

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Your own thing. You have two different ones.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Yeah. Field Day Morris is just kind of like a
little bit more local. Um,homegrown mom and pop shop that
my wife and I own. And that's ,uh, you know, certain
happenings, but there's a lotof cool product and stuff that
we show and talk about there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
So

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
If you wanna follow our family that you can do that
there. Um, and then field day ,sporting co.com , it's kind of
a long domain, but field daysporting co.com is where uh,
the golf line has justlaunched. And you can get some
of our, our , uh, merch and wealso sell a lot of other really
great stuff. I mean, the storehas given us the capability to

(01:07:56):
kind of merchandise online whatwe love. So there's apparel
every once in a while. All thethird party tertiary kind of
goods that we sell in differentcategories of our store. From
grooming products to grillstuff to golf accessories. We
just are trying to put stuff infront of you that we think
you'll love, which is really a, it's just all the stuff that

(01:08:17):
I love. My wife would tell youthat my whole business is based
upon things that I want forwholesale, which is not
completely offbeat. It's prettyclose.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Well fill it fills it in, right? Like the things
you like, you like some whatyou're selling too is what
you'd like also. Right? Just ,you just can't have, like, I
don't make a shoe right now,but maybe one day I will.
Right. So you

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Just like Yeah , well I had an amazing quote one
time that was, if you can'tmake it better yourself, go get
that and sell that too . And sowe make what we think we make
the best and then we I lovethat sell. That's really cool .
You , the stuff in the marketthat we think that is, that is
the gold standard kind of atthe price points we're trying
to sell. Um, Akbar just no , Ilove that Jamus would tell me.

(01:09:03):
I mean, he makes fun of meevery time we get on the phone
and anytime he introduces me toanybody. 'cause he tells the
story about our store and thenhe says he sells e-bikes and
the only reason he sellse-bikes is just 'cause he
wanted one. And it's, it's ,it's true. But they're also
really cool and you should buyone too, is kind of the
philosophy. ,

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
I'm not gonna name the brand, but like, it's a
brand you worked for at onepoint, so let's put it that
way. And the , the, the CEOtold me we just wanna be really
good at the one thing we make,like really, really, really
good at it. And then everythingelse, like we'll just partner
with those brands that make areally good whatever that is
too. And like, instead of, andI'm like, that's so smart. Like

(01:09:42):
that just Yeah, like don'treinvent something .

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Yeah . I think it's hard to do that an eCommerce
brand . Yeah . I mean I thinkit's really hard unless you're
just constantly collaborating.
But it's hard to do that ifyou're an e-comm brand in our
sense. We get to like, touchit, feel it, display it all day
long too, which makes you loveit even more and appreciate
what makes it so great. So,

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
And if you're selling it too , you really
stand behind the product ifyou're like, oh yeah , thing's
legit. It's not just, you know,a a Bella Canva t-shirt with a
With a

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Ball. Yeah .

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
With a guy running on it. Yeah .

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
And a torn out label. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
And a torn out label and then a screenprinted label
inside. But anyways, well thankyou so much for being on the
show. Um, actually our mutualfriend Var was the one that
introduced us and he's like,bro, you gotta talk to Patrick.
And I was like, all right ,cool.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Yeah ,

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
So I'm so glad I got to again,

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Big hug couple

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Weeks ago . I talked to him. I think I'm having a
call with him next weekactually. So , um, have

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
You done the show?
Have you done the show?

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Yeah, he was on the show like two weeks ago, I
think. So he's a fricking smart

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Dude. Is it , is it up?

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
It's on the live stream . It's not on the, it's
not on the , um,

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
I gotta go watch it.
It's like a long one too. Wehad , we freaking goofed off
half the time. Um, oh,

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
He's easy to talk .

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
I love the Pacific

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
On , we go on full and then, and then like we
both, oh , well I don'tnormally, but he normally is
like, okay, I gotta go, wegotta stop with Let's talk next
week.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Like yeah ,

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
. But we all love this. We're all in
this business for the samereason. So that's why it's easy
to, you know, we, we, it's ,it's easy to, it's easy to go
down the rabbit hole geek outbecause we're Yeah. Geek out ,
right ? Geek out on the coolside for the same reason .

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Yeah. Like,

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Yep .

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Yeah, I totally agree. Well, I think what your
, your style is really sick andI think your clothing looks
impeccable. I mean, I knowyou're sending me something I
haven't gotten any yet, and I'mtelling you guys right now, but
like what I've seen on his site, I was like, dude, that's
fricking nice. . Um,you better hook me up with an
app.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
No pressure or anything, but no pressure or
anything.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Um ,

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Yeah, ,

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
But if I ever go down I 80, I'll , uh, I'll stop
in Morris and come see you and, uh,

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Yeah, please stop by. I'm a total sitting duck,
so I'm here every day . Um, soplease, you know, Paul and
everybody else, if you're onyour way by Morris, Illinois,
please stop and see the storeand come have a, a cold

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Here . Chicago, if you're in Chicago, it's only 30
minutes from like, it's like anhour from downtown probably,
maybe an hour and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Yeah, 45. 45 from midway. And uh , there's a lot
of good golf around us . Yeah .
So it's worth the trip forsure, whether it's for us or
not.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Well, thank you so much for being on the show and
I will see you guys in the nextepisode.

Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
Thanks for listening to another episode of Behind
the Golf Brand podcast. You'regonna beat me and golf stay
connected on and off the showby visiting golfers
authority.com. Don't forget tolike, subscribe and leave a
comment. Golf is always morefun when you win. Stay out of
the beach and see you on thegreen.

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