#123 - College Golf Experience: Joshua Jacobs (CEO) - Behind the Golf Brand Podcast with Paul Liberatore

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the Golf Brand podcast withPaul Libert tore .

Speaker 5 (00:33):
What's up guys?
Welcome to the Behind the GolfBrand podcast. This week I had
my good friend Joshua Jacobsfrom the College Golf
Experience. I've known Joshuafor, I don't know, probably
like a year and a half now. Wemet at PGA show finally, and
what he's doing is, so, I don'tknow , remarkable, to be quite
honest. 'cause no one's doingthis. And it really blew my
mind as to what's going on inthe college golf world and how

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to get your child into collegegolf and like how many
misnomers are out there andmisunderstanding. So it's
really cool to have on theshow, kind of talk about what
they're doing at college, golfexperience, kind of how this
whole thing works. But , uh, sowelcome to the show. Thanks,

Speaker 6 (01:11):
Paul . What, what number PGA show will this be
for you? Coming up in , uh, inJanuary?

Speaker 5 (01:16):
It'll be three. I the first one. Yeah, I haven't
done that many. I went to theone right before Covid , like
that one right before Covid ,and then I went last year. I
think it'll

Speaker 6 (01:25):
Be 18 . I think it'll be 18 for me this year .
Holy

Speaker 5 (01:28):
Crap , dude. That's a lot of ,

Speaker 6 (01:31):
It's

Speaker 5 (01:31):
Like I just run around the whole time. It's all
I do. And like the first year Iwent, I tried to like, like see
everybody I knew and it waslike almost impossible. And
then I felt like a jerk. Sothen I was just like, okay,
well the people I really wannasee, I'll, I'll schedule time
or like the brands that havenew stuff coming out, I'll like
get there for sure first. Andthen Gold Meander, I guess is a

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better way of saying it andtrying to find,

Speaker 6 (01:57):
I I think that they should move it back. I know it
sounds crazy, but I think thatthey should move it back to
October, November because inthe past, all the brands used
to release their lines at thePGA show and now those lines
have already been released formonths. I think if you move it
back. And I, I actually, yeah ,I don't know if, I don't know
if Frisco, obviously PGA movedto Frisco, but I think if you

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made it centrally located likein Dallas, that would be easier
for everyone to get to. Eventhe international people.
Orlando's

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Far, dude, I'm sorry. It's like the opposite
corner of the United Statesfrom where I live. So it's like
,

Speaker 6 (02:31):
Yeah , me , well, me too. I'm in LA so I I I wish
that they would move it to likeOctober, November. Let's bring
back the power of the show thatall the big brands are
introducing next year's linesat the show. And then, and then
it'll, it'll make it so it , itwon't force people, but I think
you'll get a lot greaterattendance than what's been
going on because at this pointit's just a , it's , it's kind

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of just a hit and giggle. Butin the past when they were
introducing, you know, the newlines for the new year, like
people were forced to go,you're forced to go and see
those lines and, and , andplace your orders there. So, I
don't know , my 2 cents,

Speaker 5 (03:07):
It , it's interesting too 'cause like,
you're right, I mean, all thedriver manufacturers, like
they've already announced, likethey're gonna announced their
stuff in the next like coupleweeks, most of them . And like,
unless you're Titleist, you'lldo it in the middle of the
summer or whatever, you know,it's so , it's like, it's kind
of like, oh, the new driversare out, we get to see them.
But by that point, everyone's,all the YouTubers have already
tested 'em out there alreadyarticles written on 'em . It's

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like, okay, big deal. I , Ithink what's cool is with the
tech side of it, because likeRapsodo launched there too ,
you know this in February. Andlike, I think it's cool because
tech is keeping everyone, techkeeps their mouth shut, you
know, and like untilthey're ready to launch and you
don't see that with the clubpeople or the balls. I don't
know, I just, I think you'reright. Honestly,

Speaker 6 (03:50):
I think you're right . Yeah , I I I just think you
get a bigger, bigger receptiona little bit earlier, but yeah,
I hear what you're saying. Techis different than hard and soft
goods, that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Where are you located? You're in la I'm

Speaker 6 (03:59):
In LA Man .

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Did you grow up there or What?

Speaker 6 (04:01):
I did. I grew up in LA and then I, I played junior
golf in Southern California. Iwent to Emory University in ,
in Atlanta for, for college.
Um, left college was producinglive television at Fox Sports.
And then went, actually gothired away for a technology
company, realized I didn'twanna be in production anymore,
went to the business side andhelped start up a tech company

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and then got hired away by aclient in New York, was in
Hoboken, New Jersey, watchednine 11 and was there for that.
Yep . I saw, saw the secondplane go in and about five
months later wanted to comehome to LA and just, just had
that innate sense of familycame home. And I , I was also a
basketball player growing up inaddition to a golfer. So found

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the , at two weeks before thehigh school season was the
start, ended up being anassistant coach , uh, at a, at
a, at a girls high schoolprogram in a gura . And , and ,
and the head coach resigned inthe middle of the year. So I
ended up coaching both teamsfor, for two years. And it was
fascinating. And, you know, atthat time I started TGA, which
was my first junior golfcompany, very introductory
level after school programs atschools, elementary schools,

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pre-K churches, temples,community centers, et cetera.
Then you focused on, you know,that introductory, that first
step into, into golf and thenyou get 'em to the , to the
golf course, you get 'em intocamps and the recreational
camps. And we kind of made abusiness model out of it. And
by the time we were done withit, we had, you know, about
3,400 programs across thecountry and ended up hitting
over a million kids and endedup selling that in 2021 in

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September. But, you know,college golf experience was
kind of born in, I would sayMarch of 2021. So here we are
now. Man. That's crazy,

Speaker 5 (05:42):
Dude.

Speaker 6 (05:45):
That's

Speaker 5 (05:45):
It . Well thanks would be on the , thanks for
being on the show. I got all my, all my answers. Uh , you did
, thanks. Oh no,

Speaker 6 (05:50):
I've got, I've got some pretty awesome stories,
man. I mean, I was working withKeith Oberman and Chris Meyers
at , you know, when , when Foxwas trying to compete with
SportsCenter back in the day.
And it , it , it was a greatlife though. I mean, just to be
really honest, like I would,you , you , you would work from
three to 11, three to 12o'clock at night and I'd wake
up and I'd practice golf. I,you know, had an amateur career

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as well and I'd wake up, youwake seven , eight, whatever,
and I'd go practice golf andplay and have lunch and go to
work and watch sports andproduce sports and it was
awesome. It was, it was. So

Speaker 5 (06:25):
What , how'd you get in ? So like how you , did you
graduate from Emory or No, youdidn't .

Speaker 6 (06:30):
Oh yeah , yeah . I graduat

Speaker 5 (06:31):
You . Alright . So you graduated from Emory. What
was your degree in Emory?

Speaker 6 (06:35):
Uh, economics and business with a minor in
history.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Then. How'd you get into production?

Speaker 6 (06:40):
It's a really funny story. So I've always loved
sports, always been aroundsports. Um, you know, my dad
growing up was a pediatricianin LA so I always, you know,
merged kids in sports. He wasalso a basketball coach. I was
fortunate. And you're

Speaker 5 (06:52):
A Lakers fan?

Speaker 6 (06:54):
No, we've actually had Clippers season seats for
over 40 years and in the newstadium. So just to give an
idea of how long my family'sbeen there, it's hilarious
story. We had the seventhoverall pick in the new stadium
for seats.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
Holy crap, dude. So

Speaker 6 (07:09):
Yeah, it's, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I
mean, I think, I think cryptoor Staples, whatever people are
calling it these days, a littletired, you know, it's not their
own. And it's also, you know,the new stadium's 15 minutes
from me right next to SoFi. Soit's, it's great.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
Oh , you live by SoFi over there by the airport?
Kind of ?

Speaker 6 (07:25):
Yeah, I live in Playa Vista.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
Oh , okay, cool. So ,

Speaker 6 (07:28):
So for me it's, you know , my , my my my dad was,
you know, he had a , had a lotof , he had a lot of
people he took care of. He hada private practice in, in the
San Fernando Valley. And one of'em was Ron Pitts, who was the
former player and you know, BenFox announcer. And he helped
get me an internship my summer,I think it was summer of

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between , uh, junior and senioryear. And then they offered me
a job straight outta collegefor 26 or $28,000 a year.
'cause if you're gonna get intothe sports world, there's no
money in production to start.
And I was like, all right , youknow, I'll live a , I'll live
good life, be able to play somegolf, you know, live at home
for a year, whatever, save somemoney and

Speaker 5 (08:10):
You have my master's degree.

Speaker 6 (08:12):
No, no, no, no , no.
Higher education for me. I feellike I've gotten , uh,
throughout, throughout, youknow , starting in 2003 and
then franchising it in 2006 andthen another franchise in 2012.
I feel like I got my my my MBAand entrepreneurial degree. So
I feel like I'm all right atthis point.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
You only learn by doing, dude. It's all theory.
That's what I feel like, like,you know . Yeah, I think that

Speaker 6 (08:36):
There's certainly an education. I think that there's
some some basis ininfrastructure that you can
learn, but until you put itinto, like you said, until you
do it and you put it into real, until

Speaker 5 (08:44):
You lose money, until you lose money and you
like learn from that and youlike figure out a better way of
doing it or you have a problem,it's like, oh, that's how it
works. Well, theoretically,yeah, that's how it works, but
that is not how it works .
Like, you gotta live throughthat and Yeah ,

Speaker 6 (08:57):
I mean, no matter what people think of, of Musk,
right? I mean, I saw a greatvideo of him the other day
about what it's like, what itfeels like to start a company
and it resonated, you know, alot with me. I mean, I can tell
you stories during 2004, 2005,I mean, as we were expanding,
struggling to make payroll ,like the whole, the whole gamut
of a startup , right? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
The stress of it.
Like, yeah ,

Speaker 6 (09:20):
Started , started in one room in an apartment in LA
where three of us were workingout of , you know, it's not, I
mean this is , this is, youknow, 2003 and we weren't even
a tech company, so obviously.
So it's, you know, once youlive through that, you get a
great sense of, of who you areand what you're made of. And
you know, you'll learn a lotalong the way, the ups and

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downs and the way I like todescribe as anyone who's
looking to start a business,you know, there's gonna be
peaks and valleys when youstart, and the further along
you go, the lower those peaksand the, you know, the, the,
the lower the , the higherthose valleys get. So it kind
of evens out for you. So, butit takes a ton of work to get
there. A ton and

Speaker 5 (10:01):
And time, right? And a lot of time. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
I mean it's, you know, you gotta get lucky I
think with, with college golfexperience, CGXI mean, we're, I
think the timing is right forwhat we have. And I think that,
you know, we found a void inthe industry and it , it kind
of was presented to me by someindustry folk to start. And,
but yeah, it's, it's gonna takesome time for sure. As, as
anything does. So

Speaker 5 (10:23):
You got a job as a product in production back in
LA Yeah . And then everythingworked out, like you were
closed to home, you were making$26,000 a year or whatever, and
then like, how long were youthere doing that for?

Speaker 6 (10:37):
I was there for almost three years and then got
started. This tech company. Mycousin asked me to help her
start. What did,

Speaker 5 (10:45):
What did the tech do? What did the tech company
do?

Speaker 6 (10:47):
It was , God , I haven't spoken about this
in so long. It was a a, ascreen company. So it was, it
was a polymer technology thatcould mold into any shape and
had properties that made it thebrightest screen in, in the ,
in the world at time, thelumens that were coming off of

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it. So like a

Speaker 5 (11:11):
TV screen?

Speaker 6 (11:12):
Yeah, so that was the OEMI don't think the
company, I was only with thecompany for about nine months
when I got hired by one of ourcustomers, but yeah, it was, it
, it could OEM to it TV screen,but imagine like crazy trade
show boots with curved

Speaker 5 (11:25):
Screen . Oh, like a real , yeah, back then too,
when there was like LPs andlike, yeah . Oh , you know ,
all like flat screen was like,not that, you know , common
like it was like a Sony turn ,Itron, you know, or something.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
Absolutely. And the company was called Lumina, and
I mean, there were some goodpeople there. I learned a lot
about, you know, just startingout in a business. So that was
that , you know, that I , I betyou that gave me a little
infrastructure for what I wasdoing with, with TGA in 2003.
But, but yeah, no, it , it wasan interesting technology. I
mean, I, I remember being onthe set of embassy sports and

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they're like, Hey, can we curbit like this to fit our set and
can we make it into abasketball and project on,
like, it was in the end, when Ilook back at it, if you don't
get to the OEMs, you'reprobably not gonna have a
massive business. And theyended up not having a massive
business. So yeah , I mean, agreat product, just not
necessarily the wrong time,just not sure. They, they ,

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they saturated well ,

Speaker 5 (12:18):
Even , I mean, yeah, back then, I mean, there was no
social media, so like, no one'sever gonna see it. It's like,
you know, you go from one placeto the next trying to, you're
just, you're just trying tosell it really to like,

Speaker 6 (12:28):
Yeah. And you gotta go door to door . I mean, it's,
it's, yeah, it was, it howsales , it was quite an , it
was quite an endeavor. And whenI got the opportunity to , to
head to New York, I, I

Speaker 5 (12:38):
Beat out .

Speaker 6 (12:39):
I , I , I took it.
No , I , you know, you , youknow, everyone's got this,
right? Everyone knows when itfeels right and when something
might be wrong. Hopefully, youknow, people are listening to
themselves about that stuff.
And I just knew that I wasn'tin the right place and, and,
you know, wanted to take achance and learn a little bit
more about myself in New York.
And was fortunate enough, I hadfamily there and friends from
Emory, so it wasn't that big ofa jump. Like I was going to the

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middle of nowhere, but it was,

Speaker 5 (13:02):
What was that, what was that company then? The one
in New York? What were youdoing there? It

Speaker 6 (13:06):
Was called Creative Reality . So it was audio
video, it was almost like anaudio video and lighting
company show control. So we, wewere working on a lot of the
nightclubs in New York City. Sowe built out all the audio,
video show control, et cetera .
Some shows it was, you know,we, they also did, right before
I got there , they had a Footlocker . I dunno if you

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remember going into a FootLocker and they had all those
lights up in those screens.
Like that company did that. Soit was

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Good contract.

Speaker 6 (13:34):
Yeah, I mean, I learned a lot from the CEO ,
Jason Freeman, great guy, youknow, learned a lot about small
business, what to do, I thinkin some cases what not to do.
But overall it was a reallypositive situation. Yeah, it
was a good time.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
So then where'd you go after that? So you were
there for how long? So

Speaker 6 (13:49):
After that, I came, I, i, I was there for about a
year, year and a half. 'causeyou know, nine 11 and then came
home and there was like

Speaker 5 (13:57):
No jobs after that too. Like everything like I
remember that. It was, yeah,

Speaker 6 (14:00):
I had my job. I mean, things were okay, but it
just similar to, I just didn'tthink I was in the right place.
So came home back to LA andstarted coaching basketball at
the same time. Started thisjunior golf co , you know,
started TGA, the junior golfcompany and

Speaker 5 (14:16):
GA only in , uh, was that only in LA or that in
California or what , what storewith that ?

Speaker 6 (14:20):
No, we were nationwide. We were nationwide.
And we had internationallocations as well. So it, I
mean, we ended up with

Speaker 5 (14:26):
. It started in LA though.

Speaker 6 (14:28):
It did, it started at six schools in LA in the
fall of 2003.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
And then that was like an afterschool program,
right? Kind of like, yeah ,afterschool

Speaker 6 (14:36):
Program. In fact , that first fall we did, we did
six afterschool programs, wedid a couple parent child
events, we did a Halloween funtournament. I mean, keep in
mind these kids are, you know,these kids were five to eight
years old, primarily maybe fiveto nine. So we're really
serving that really youngcomponent that, you know, 70%
of those kids had never playedgolf before. It was neat.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
And then you franchised that out, is that
what you did? Or do you

Speaker 6 (15:00):
Franchised that out in 2006, then we launched
tennis in 2011, and we did thatwith the partnership with the
USTA . Wow . It was more thanjust golf. But golf's always
been my passion. I mean, I grewup playing tournament golf,
played college golf at Emory.
You know, that's, that's reallywhere my heart

Speaker 5 (15:17):
Are. You scratch, you have to be scratch, dude.

Speaker 6 (15:19):
Yeah, I don't play anymore. That's the problem. I
mean , I think I played, I ,I'm gonna prob probably play
seven times this year. In 2022I played five times. For me,
it's much more about qualitythan quantity where it doesn't
matter whether I'm playingwith, you know, a , a a
somebody else's clubs. If I'mon a great course, I'd rather
do that than , you know, Idon't know . I travel a decent

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amount with college golfexperience, so I always , you
know, get to play the coursessometimes where the camps are
at or in the area. So it's

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Good. So then when, like, what gave you the not
initial idea for college golf?

Speaker 6 (15:53):
So I was talking with Greg Gross , who's the ,
uh, executive director, CEO ofthe Golf Coaches Association of
America. Greg and I had sat ona number of boards together. I
was on the World GolfFoundation board with him , um,
not on PG of America boards,but we're on one other board.
We were just talking and he'slike, Hey, how's business? And
I'm like, it's good. I didn'twanna , I couldn't tell anyone

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that we were selling it at thetime. He's like, so how many
camps are you at now? I said,oh, we do about 2200 camps
during the summer. He goes,well , it's a lot. You want
more camps? I was like, what doyou mean? He's like, well, I
think that my, my coaches couldreally use a platform to, to
help themselves do more camps.
And I was like, Hmm ,interesting. And so I , I

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started looking into it. 'causeI, I found that intriguing and
also gave me, you know, youthink about TGA right? Very
introductory and recreationallevel of that pyramid. You
know, I was always acompetitive golfer, so have
never You're

Speaker 5 (16:46):
Top of this funnel, right?

Speaker 6 (16:48):
Never worked, yeah .
Never worked in competitivejunior golf. And I just, I just
hadn't, I had done a fewthings. I, you know, Steve
Hamlin , AJGA executivedirector, known Steve's been a
mentor and a friend of mine fora couple decades now. And I
brought an AJGA event to myclub in LA and, and , and so I
learned a little bit about theins and the outs of that, but

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overall, this opportunity thatGreg posed was really of
interest because I, I kind offound three things, right? So
the first thing is there is atotal lack of education with
parents and players about, Hey,what is college golf? What are
the rigors of college golf?
What's it like to play collegegolf? And then what's the
recruiting process? What is theprocess like to playing college

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golf and finding your fit? Sothat was the first thing that I
found. The second thing that Ifound was every other sport had
a platform like this. Really ?
Every other sport has showcasecamps, ID camps, position camps
. Oh

Speaker 5 (17:44):
Yeah, for sure,

Speaker 6 (17:45):
For sure. Yeah . I mean, I remember when in 2003
with TGAI, I actually ran , uh,just a off the cuff event, like
a traveling camp. And Iremember being at, it's a ,
it's a course that's no longerthere. It's called Rancho San
Marcos outside of San Sandy ,uh, Santa Barbara. And we're
there, and Michael Jordan'sthere and he's playing with

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his, you know, eight, 10people. And they're betting and
they're doing all kinds ofstuff. And we're like, oh,
what's he here for? He goes,oh, well he runs his annual
camp in at uc, Santa Barbara.
It's like a showcase camp. AndI was like, huh , okay. That
was cool. I didn't thinkanything of it at the time, but
when I started doing myresearch for CGX, every other
sport has that kind of stuff.
And then the last one is themajority of college coaches are

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underpaid. They really are. Imean, they're , they do so much
for, for the sport. They do somuch for the , their players.
And, and if you look at howmany hours they put in versus
their pay, I mean, they're ,they're outstanding people and
they really care about whatthey do. And so the ability to
create these camps and, youknow, derive a little bit of
additional revenue for them.

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'cause think about it, I mean,these players and these
parents, when the camps happen,I mean, they're getting
information straight from thehorse's mouth. They're getting
it straight from the coaches.
And that's really somethingthat hasn't existed in junior
golf forever. I mean, you, you, so

Speaker 5 (19:04):
What's the misnomer, I guess, for parents right now?
Like, lemme , I guess, lemmetell you what I think. Okay.
And you tell me if it's , ifit's , and I don't know, I'm
kids that age, like I have noclue. Like if my kid wanted to
play, let's say this is mykid's in high school and he's
good at golf, I would've noidea what to do. Like , I'd be
like , oh, well you play yourtournaments and hopefully some
school will see you and talk toyou about playing college golf.

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And that's about as far as Igo. It's like, you know, like,
I mean, I , my kids playbaseball. It's like, I know
there's like tournament teamsand there's big tournaments and
all those scouts are there, Ialready know all that, right?
But for golf, it's like, how doyou do it? It's such an
individualized sport. And it'slike, I honestly, I honestly
have no idea.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
It's very similar to what you were talking about,
right? And that's kind of whatwe're, we're shifting that
we're, we're gonna shift thatparadigm in junior golf. That's
where this, this transparencyof information will come in,
right? So instead of a collegecoach hiding behind a tree,
watching you play or walking onan opposite fairway, and
they're trying to hide from theparents that are there so they

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don't get, you know, bum rushedby them . Yeah. It's, you know,
tournaments are vital to thatprogression from junior golf to
college golf. They provide aranking, they provide an
aptitude, you know, there's,it's , it is completely merit
based . It is, it is, it isyour score, it is your rank. It
is where you are in thattournament versus, you know,
the field and versus the othertournaments that are going on

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so that it is absolutelynecessary. But that does
nothing for these players tohelp them find their fit in
what, where they should playcollege golf. And for the
majority of these players, youknow, 99.9% of them, they're
not turning pro, you know, incollege. So the four, these
four years in college golf isso special to play. So these

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four years are supposed to bethe best four years of your
life, right? So how do you findthat right decision? How do you
find that right, fit that rightcoach that right, that right
program. And withoutinformation either on that
coach or on that program,there's really not a lot of
ways to, to get that,especially prior to the June
15th deadline. So I'm sure, I'mnot sure if you know this, but

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until June 15th, between theirsophomore and junior year
college coaches are allowedzero contact with PSSAs per
prospective student athletes.
They're , they can, they canwatch them play tournament
golf, they can't engage withthem. They can't, they can look
at scores, but they cannotrespond to them. If they get an
email, they can't do anythingexcept in a camp environment.

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So if you're at a campenvironment, you have the
ability to engage, oh crap,with coaches, parents have the
ability to get this informationthat they did not have.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Is that an NCAA rule? What is that?

Speaker 6 (21:40):
Yeah, it's an NCAA rule. So, but, but I think the
key here is that YY the parentsneed to be the hero to the
player. The parents need to bethe hero. They need to be the
ones to help guide their playerdown that path of finding a
place in college golf that'sthe right one. And so far,
there's really not been aservice or an initiative that's

(22:03):
given them that chance. Sothat's where I think that we,
we come in and we do it througha , a , a number of different
events. The first event is anelite camp, which is hosted by
a single institution. So asingle program. So imagine if
we got one coming up in a monthwith Cal. So you're gonna,
you're gonna play with thecoaches, you're gonna have a

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seminar about college golf andthe recruiting process. They're
gonna treat you to a simulatedcollege golf practice and a
college golf practice round .
So you're engaging with thesecoaches, whether you're a
parent or player throughout theentire day. But it's just about
Cal and Cal doesn't do a,they're not doing a , um, a
campus tour, but a lot of theelite camps do campus tours. So

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you're literally walking aroundon that campus doing a tour
with the coach, and then you'regoing to see their, their
facilities, their practicefacilities. And it's basically
life as a college golfer atthat school.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
And you don't have to , and it's a camp. So like,
you could be a ninth grader,right?

Speaker 6 (23:02):
You could be any age . We, we start 'em , I mean, I
would say those elite camps,the majority of kids are 13 to
17, but we've seen 'em as youngas, you know, 11 or 12 whose
parents wanna start gettingthese kids, you know, in front
of college coaches are learningabout what college golf is
like. It's, it, it really runsthe gamut. The next camp that

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we do is really cool. So it's,it's called a tournament
preview camp. So literally theday before a junior golf
tournament, we are doing a , a, a day of camp where the
college coaches you , you do acollege golf seminar. So
they're learning all aboutcollege golf, but then they're,
they're going out and they'redoing a simulated college golf

(23:44):
practice where they'rebasically preparing for the
tournament. So you're learninghow to hit different shots off
the grass, around the greens,et cetera. So, and this is
right before they're gonna playin that tournament. And then
you go out there, you havelunch, and then you have to do
course management and strategyseminar, which is, which is
also something unique becausemost of these, these juniors,
these competitive juniors, theyall have swing coaches, right?

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They all have swing coaches,they all have, they don't all
have, but some have mentalcoaches and fitness co fitness
coaches. But very rarely do yousee players that are really
strong in course management andstrategy . It's just not
something that , that they'respending a lot of time on. And
even the college coaches willsay that is one of the weakest
parts of a junior golfer'sgame. You can hit the ball a
fricking mile, but you're notreally sure how to play a golf

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course. Then they go out andthey play a practice round with
the college coaches. So they'reliterally walking them through
that tournament and walkingthem through that round

Speaker 5 (24:38):
And yeah , they were really in college and like
they're really playing in atournament and how they need to
think and like look at thefield and

Speaker 6 (24:44):
Wow . And they're, they're learning things that
they're gonna take with them toevery tournament they have in
the future. And we've seen someamazing success from those
camps with kids having theirbest tournament finishes ever.
You know, we did a camp backthere, I think it was in March
of this year, we did a campwhere we had 27 kids of the 27

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21 were playing in thetournament. It was an AJGA
qualifier and then a an AJGAtournament. And of the 21 of
the 12 that were qualifying,five of the 12 qualified. And
then on top of that we had likesix top tens in the actual
tournament. So that type ofpreparation, these kids that ,

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you know, they're not reallysure how to prepare for a
tournament and now they'regetting it straight from , they
know

Speaker 5 (25:32):
What they know, right? I mean, they only know
what they've, throughexperience. They don't know ,
like there's no mentor, right?
Like they give a really goodcoach, but it's like they have
that one experience or that onecoach they see all the time.
It's not,

Speaker 6 (25:44):
Yep . And then we got, you know, we've got
exposure camps that are moreabout, Hey, let me expose you
to college golf and what's thatlike, what's the recruiting
process? We're gonna play acouple rounds and we're gonna,
you're , you're gonna getcomfortable playing in front of
college coaches. 'cause it'sscary, right, Paul? I mean,
imagine being a junior golferand you're teeing it up in a
tournament and all of a suddena college coach walks up to

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you, like next to the tee oryou see them walking and you
know, they're watching ,

Speaker 5 (26:09):
You know, what college they're from because
they have a shirt on. So you'relike, oh , that's a college .
Oh well USC oh my god, okay, Igotta be really good. Yeah. So

Speaker 6 (26:15):
It's a little, so it's a little daunting. But
these camps also make playersmore comfortable around college
coaches and it helps you speakto college coaches. It helps
you, you know, if you're aroundthem, it just sets you at ease
and it humanizes them. And sowhether you're playing in a
tournament in the future oryou're talking to a college
coach about a recruiting visit,or you get a call from a

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college coach after the June15th deadline, it gives you all
kinds of experience beforethat. And then you've got our
showcase camps. These are kindof the bigger ones. So you've
got, we've got , um, Ivy Leagueshowcase camps, we've got D
three showcase camps, we'vegot, we call them top 100 camps
right now where you've kind ofgot the best of the best
coaches , um, and programs inthe country. And we've got four

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of those coming up, two inNovember and two in December.
It really runs the gamut, nomatter what you are interested
in, whether you're interestedin a specific school and you
wanna , you know, go to thatschool and see those
facilities, or you wanna get achance to know what college
golf is like, or if you wannawork on your game and prepare
for it tournament and learn,you know, different facets of,
of course, management andstrategy and, and also get reps

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in front of college coaches. Oryou just wanna learn about what
college golf and the recruitingprocess is like if it , it
really runs the gamut. Andthat's, there's really been a
lack of informationtransparency about all of these
things and college golf, and Ihate to, you know, speak for a
long time, but college golf ison the rise. I , when you think
about who's involved in collegegolf, right? You've got Augusta

(27:43):
National, you get a master'sinvite for the NCAA champion.
You got PGA tour U GordonSargent just got that promotion
of the PGA tour , uh, uh, youknow, you got more and more
televised events for the men'sand women's events. Like it's
Oh

Speaker 5 (27:55):
Yeah, I remember that . The NCAA tournament was
televised, like I

Speaker 6 (27:59):
Remember . Yeah. I mean there was , there ,
there's one on golf channelalmost every week now. Yep . So
college golf is certainly, youknow, it's, it's awesome to
play, but it's also really, I Ithink it's, it's becoming more
and more prevalent in theindustry itself.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
I was like, I was telling Joshua this before,
like I had a buddy of minewhose daughter's like really
good, like top 10 state, let'ssay in women's. And like, she,
he , she was like this likeprobably four or five months
ago and you guys had alreadyjust been here. So he's like,
oh, they just, it was likeright after we had a , it
must've been like in thespring, and I was like, oh, you
should, and I think rightbefore I met you and I was
like, oh, you should check outcollege golf experience. I'm

(28:35):
like, because he was asking me,he's like, I don't know what to
do. I have no idea what to dofor her. Yeah. Like he has a
daughter who plays volleyballand you know, she got
scholarships and everythinglike that 'cause of team sport.
And it's like they can see himat these tournaments, but he is
like, I have no idea what to doto help her because it's, you
know, it's 'cause they

Speaker 6 (28:52):
Don't have information. The only way
there's

Speaker 5 (28:54):
No information out there. Yeah. The

Speaker 6 (28:55):
Only ways that that, that these, the only ways that
these parents are being guided,right? If , if you don't have
the information as a parent,you, you can't help guide your,
your player. You can't helpguide your child and that's,
you're at a real disadvantage,right? I can't tell you how
many people call us up and say,Hey, I'm a junior. I'm a
senior. Am I too late to thegame? And I actually host an

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Instagram live every Tuesdaynight at 8:00 PM Eastern with
two coaches. Um, and so I can'ttell you how many questions we
get about the recruitingprocess and am I too late and
where do I start and where do Istart? You know, unless you
look at a recruiting service ,um, which can be extremely
expensive.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
They have that. I didn't even know that

Speaker 6 (29:40):
They have recruiting services out there. Yeah.
There's some more generalservices and there's also
recruiters who, you know, workwith you more. One-on-one, I
mean, those recruiters arephenomenal. I mean, most of the
recruiters across the countryare , are outstanding, but
they're also really expensive.
And so

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Was it cost, like what ? Like what's a ballpark?
I have no , like 10 thousandsof dollars . Tens of

Speaker 6 (30:01):
Thousands of dollars because I think they're all
different based on the timethat , and , and , and where
you fall in your, in your, youknow , what age you're at. I
mean, I think that they can gofor anywhere between, you know
, 5,000 to 15, 20,000 a year.
So

Speaker 5 (30:16):
Did they get your kid , did you get your kid to
play college golf? Like I mean, that's like a semester or
it's like a year of college.

Speaker 6 (30:23):
At first when I, yes, but at first when I, when
I heard that, I was like, wow,that's, that's crazy, right?
But then you think about it, ifthe recruiter really is , and
like I said, there's some greatones out there.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
Well, they succeed, right? You got a full ride at a
good school. It's like exactly.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
If you get a full ride , cause

Speaker 5 (30:40):
A quarter of what it would've cost you to go to
college and you would've had topay for it anyway . So it's

Speaker 6 (30:44):
Like

Speaker 5 (30:44):
Way better.

Speaker 6 (30:45):
Hundred percent .
And they , yeah , that's

Speaker 5 (30:47):
What I look at

Speaker 6 (30:47):
It too . They help you find their , your fit. But
at the same point in time, Ithink that we're very
complimentary to the recruitersbecause no matter what happens,
they still need to get in frontof the college coaches. They
still need reps in front of thecollege coaches. They still
need to engage with collegecoaches.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
Well , you give 'em the opportunity to like do
that, right? Instead of beinglike, oh , here's my highlight
reel, you know, or whatever,here's my tournament winnings.
It's like, okay, that's great,but are you cool? I mean, at
the end of the day, the , Imean, it's a two-way street,
right? Like , I mean, I've beenan inter you both and I , we've
both been interviewed before .
Here's a story. So when I, Iused to be a pilot, right? And
I was gonna fly in the Air ,air Force reserves and um, I

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wanted to fly fighter jets. SoI flew to New Orleans to get
interviewed to fly the A 10 andyou only had two slots. There
was 30 of us interviewing thatfor , but what I learned from
this, right? It was crazy. Iwas like, competing , this is
like, right , it's like 2003,right? So ride for nine 11 ,
um, what I learned, it wasn'tlike if you made the interview,

(31:45):
you obviously can fly anairplane, right? Like obviously
you've already, you've alreadygone like you've already made
the cut. It's now it's like,who are we gonna pick out of
these 30 people? And all camedown to is how cool are you and
can you fit in with us? That'sall it came down to. Because if
, if I'm gonna be stuck in atent in Afghanistan, I don't
wanna have to kill you. I wantyou to be cool. And I think
like that's the same way. It'slike, is it a two-way street?

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Is it the right fit? Not, yeah, you are, you qualified, we
know you're qualified, you

Speaker 6 (32:13):
Nail you , you nailed it on the head in the
way that the coaches, what theway that the coaches say it is,
who do I want in my van for thefive to six hour drives? Yeah.
That , and who do I , that's

Speaker 5 (32:23):
It all comes down to who do I ,

Speaker 6 (32:24):
Who do I wanna travel with ? And unless you
spend time with the coaches

Speaker 5 (32:28):
You don't

Speaker 6 (32:29):
Know , they will never know. And the more that
the coaches know, the moreeducated they are on their
guests , who they want and on ,on who they want . And that's ,
you know, when you look at whatwe're doing, and, and we'll get
to me being an AV geek here ina second, but when you, when
you get to , uh, you know whatwe're doing, right? These
players and these parents don'tyet fully understand what the

(32:52):
value of these camps are forthem and what they, what they
do. Like you talk about, youknow, not only learning about
college golf and the recruitingprocess to help guide the
process for yourself or whetheryou, you work with a recruiter,
et cetera, is phenomenal. Butjust the feeling comfortable in
front of college coacheslearning how to play golf
courses, it's , there's,there's just so many benefits

(33:13):
to it. And by the way, I knowexactly what the A 10 is. I,
I'm an AV geek myself, loveplanes, have always loved them
. I still , to this day,sometimes if I want to get a
little break, we'll go to theIn-N-Out by LAX and watch 'em
come overhead and yep , that'sme. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
I'm a dork. I love airplanes. Yeah , I mean, it's
fun to watch. It was fun . Itwas awesome. And it was cool.
Like, and then when you're at ,when I had the interview, I was
like, holy crap, this is thereal deal. And I was like
interviewing against like F 18pilots and I'm like, bro, I fly
like cessnas. Like, there's nofreaking way. But like, I made
the interview so it doesn'tmatter. Like we both can fly an
airplane. It's like, are youcool? That's all it came down

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to. It was, are you cool? Imean, I mean more than that
too, but that was a majority ofit.

Speaker 6 (33:53):
Like, yeah, I mean, like, like you're saying, and I
think you're nailing it, right?
It's, it's what's the fit. Andthat for me, you know, I
described some of my careerearlier on, I mean, I knew when
something wasn't the fit, and Iknew when it was. And that's
exactly what I, I was onInstagram live and even it was,
it was two days ago, and we hada coach and a player on it. The

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, the coach found the player ata camp she flat out said, which
was really cool. I knew as soonas I left that camp, I knew I
wanted to play for that school.
I wanted to play for thatcoach. That was my fit, and I'm
gonna go after it. Yeah, I meanthere's, and I think at

Speaker 5 (34:29):
That age too, as like a , as a , as a young
adult, right? When you're 16,17, 18, like, you don't know
what you want to do with yourlife. Like, I mean, even if
it's golf or not golf, youdon't know where you want to go
to college. I didn't know whereI wanted to go to college.
Like, I was like, oh, I'llprobably just go to ASU or U of
a, you know, like all myfriends. But it's like, it's
like, until you get like anopportunity or see , like

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that's what happened to me.
Like I back to aviation. Like Iwent to school, my, my
undergrads at Purdue and theyhad like the top aviation
program. So like, I didn't, I,I ended up meeting professors
from Purdue and they were like,oh, come check out Purdue. And
I was like, where's that at?
And they're like, oh, it's inIndiana. I'm all screw that.
And um, they're like, okay,cool. And then like I went to

(35:13):
the campus and I saw theprogram, I was like, holy. I'm
like, this is what I want.
Like, you don't even know whatyou want until you see it. And
once you see, it's like, that'sall you want. And then like,
that's exactly , I mean ,hundred percent agree.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
School , I , I looked at wash , uh, university
of Washington in Seattle. Ilooked at UCSD and I had gone
to those two schools first. Andthen when I went to Emory, as
soon as I spent an hour on thatcampus, I'm like, this is where
I wanna be. This is where Iwant to go. And, and, and
that's, that's a reallypowerful thing for, for junior

(35:49):
golfers, you know, when itcomes to playing college golf,
to be able to feel, and youcan't do that from just playing
in 20 to 30 tournaments a year.
You , you , you can't becausethere's so much more to your
ranking. And coaches will saythis, there's so much more to
the ranking and thetournaments. They are not the
end all be all in recruiting,just as we're talking about
Paul. And so that's what we'retrying to impress upon

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everyone. It just breaks downso many barriers to entry and,
and makes the information a lotmore transparent rather behind,
rather than behind the curtain.
And it gives everyone theinformation and the knowledge
that they need to make theright decision. And that is
vital in this day and age.
Because we all know in this dayand age, what does everyone
value most? It's time . It'stime. And so if you make the

(36:33):
wrong decision, you're going tolose time. You're going to ,

Speaker 5 (36:37):
Especially in this, right? Because like you make
the wrong decision. I mean, youcould , yeah, you're stuck. I
mean, you could quit, but like,you're stuck. Like they're

Speaker 6 (36:45):
Never gonna quit .
Well, no, you're, you're notexactly stuck though. I mean,
they're a transfer portal and

Speaker 5 (36:51):
I mean all that, but like if , but let's say you
made the wrong decision. Youdon't know it's the wrong
decision. You show up and thenthree weeks later, like , I
hate this place and I don'twant to be here. It's like, I
don't know, I just think it's,

Speaker 6 (37:02):
It's a very, it's a very large decision in a
person's life of that age. Andthe more information that you
have, whether it be about thecoach, about the program, about
the feel about all of thatstuff, the more information
that you have, the betterequipped you are to make that
decision rather than getting, Imean, if you're, if if you're,

(37:24):
you know, highly ranked on June15th and beyond, you're gonna
get calls from coaches, they'regoing to find you. But the fact
is, is how do you know whichone you're gonna play for? And,
and guess what you think onerecruiting visit or another
trip is gonna be the end all beall to you making that
decision. No, it's not. Yeah.
So I think

Speaker 5 (37:43):
It's a very individualized sport too. Like
I was talking to somebodybecause I didn't play college
golf, obviously, but likethey're saying that like, you
know, you only can play so manypeople out on the , on the
course or in a tournament,right? Everyone doesn't get to
play, is that right?

Speaker 6 (37:55):
No, there's only, there's five spots, you know,
for the most part, I mean,there's five, five spots, four
count, and there's usually, youknow, depending on the division
and what they've got, you know, they've got a head coach and
assistant coach and coach .
It's an individualized sport.
But there are, you know, the ,the great part about college
golf is the team aspect. It's,it's, it's really special. You
know, it's not that many timesin, in professional golf, do

(38:16):
you see that? Right?
President's Cup, Ryder Cup,Solheim Cup , yeah . I mean
it's, it's not a lot. And Ithink that a lot of people are
calling for more team, butit's, it's easier said than
done, let's put it that way.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
So then how did this work? So then like how many,
how many , uh, showcases areyou having or how many events a
year right now? And where arethey at? Usually

Speaker 6 (38:39):
2022 , we ran, I think 28, 29 camps. This year
we'll run close to 60, and thennext year we'll put on, we're
thinking about 125 to 135 . But

Speaker 5 (38:52):
That also , they're all across the us right?

Speaker 6 (38:54):
They'll be all across the US and now we're
getting calls internationallyas well. So we're looking at
England, Hong Kong, NewZealand, maybe, or Australia,
Canada and then Mexico. That'swhere we're looking for 2024.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
So then how do you pick the courses to go to? Like
how do, like, how does, likehow does this work? Like I not
, I mean, on your side, not howparents do, but like, do you do
like you have to figure out thecourse to book out like the
entire weekend, or how doesthat work? I have no idea.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (39:24):
So if, for the elite camps, the camps, the division
camps, normally the coaches,they , they'll host it at one
of the courses that they playon, right? That the team plays
on. So that's pretty easy tofigure out with them. Yeah .
Then the tournament previewcamps, you know exactly what
course you need to be atbecause that's the course that
the , that the tournaments,

Speaker 5 (39:43):
Whatever tournament's gonna be at two
months from now or

Speaker 6 (39:46):
Whatever , those two , then you've got your exposure
camps and your showcase campsthat we put on. And those run
the gamut, you know, normallythat's some, some give and take
with the courses that we'regonna be working with. So yeah,
I mean, I, I, I'd say thatoverall courses have been
really welcoming of us becausewe're not like a tournament
where, number one, we don'thave to shut the course down.

(40:06):
It's not like that, you know,our, our average event has 32
to 36 players that's, you know,eight to nine tee times that we
need to find, and then we addthe f and b component in for
them. So we, whether it's at aprivate facility or a public
daily fee, whatever it is,everyone can still exist at

(40:27):
that course and, and do theirnormal routine, you know,
except for those, yeah ,

Speaker 5 (40:31):
You're not gonna hold them up. No . You're not
gonna be like, oh, we got theentire key sheet, sorry, you
can't tee off till threeo'clock. They'd be like,

Speaker 6 (40:37):
And yeah , and , and all these are competitive
golfers. So, and they're

Speaker 5 (40:40):
they're not crappy. It's not some like
turn like, you know, whatevertraining school for a weekend
or something. You guys allsuck. It's like,

Speaker 6 (40:47):
And , and they're playing with the coaches, so
the coaches help move themalong and they know the drill.
So it's

Speaker 5 (40:52):
The profess Yeah, they're young professionals at
it. Like they know what they'redoing. It's not pretty

Speaker 6 (40:56):
Much, I mean, if you think about it, co coaches do
so much for the playersacademically, support wise .
You know, they, they give themthe platform, they give them
the tools to succeed at areally high level and they take
care of so much stuff for theplayers. And at the tournament,
you know, during the round,they're basically caddies. I
mean, they're walking aroundwith their team and they're

(41:16):
working with them mentallyworking on, you know, shot
selection working. So I, theyare the ideal partner to run
these camps with. And the GCAA,our endorsement from the Golf
Coaches Association of Americahas been vital to our success .
You know, we've been fortunate.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
It's validation, right? It's like you're helping
them and they are reallygrateful and wanna do it with
you, right? Yeah . It's notlike, oh, you're making money
off us or like, you know, it'snothing like that. It's like
finally we have a way of likegetting out there to more
people without having to likefigure it out by ourselves for
one thing. Right. In our stateor our local course or

Speaker 6 (41:53):
Something. Yeah .
And I think a lot of collegecoaches wish that the players
had more education and moreknowledge in the parents on
college golf and the recruitingprocess coming in. So I think
that it's kind of a, a nice, anice match, but we've been
fortunate enough, you know,we're looking at, you know, in
really impacting more playersby not only the number of camps

(42:15):
that we're running, but alsothe level and the value of
those camps. So we've, we'vebeen fortunate enough to bring
on some great partners inAdidas Golf and Clipped , I'm
not sure if you've heard aboutClipped is a , it's a new, you
know, game improvementtechnology and it's sweeping
through college golf and theyjust got the, got the NCAA
rights to, to host ranking andscoring, which is actually a

(42:39):
huge deal going on right now incollege golf. So , uh, we had
our partnership with thembefore that happened. So I just
feel pretty confident in our,in our, in our partnership
there and to be able to derivevalue for players and, and
parents. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
It's just funny 'cause like, like when you're
talking, I was just , I justgoogled like college golf,
right? just to see whatcomes up and like, you know,
because I'm, I'm thinking,okay, I'm a dad and I have a
kid and I want to , orwhatever, I want to get him in
golf. So it's like I'm lookingand it's like, okay, it's the
NCAA stuff, all the big, youknow, articles from like golf
week and whatever, and thenit's like, you still don't know

(43:13):
anything about college golf'cause it's about what's going
on until you hit you and youguys are in the top 10, right?
And you're the last one. It'slike golf camps with college
golf coaches and it's like, oh,thank God, right? Because
everything else is just like,it's all just , do

Speaker 6 (43:25):
You see is know funny , I haven't, I haven't
googled that in a while, but doyou see , um, the college golf
guide there? College golf.com ?
Um,

Speaker 5 (43:32):
I don't college golf.com on , lemme look real
quick. College

Speaker 6 (43:35):
Golf . Yeah . I'm just curious if you saw that
they're ,

Speaker 5 (43:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What is that? They're number 1,2, 3, 4. We're

Speaker 6 (43:39):
About, we're about to announce a pretty big
partnership with them. Um, it'sgonna help, it's gonna provide
additional transparency andeducation around college golf
in each program. And it's, it'spretty, it's it's pretty cool.
Back in the day when, when Iplayed in junior golf, I mean,
all you knew about, the onlyway you knew about college golf
is they had the pinging golfguide and literally every

(44:02):
junior had to buy it. And ittold you about, you know, who
the coach was, what the scoresare, what the ranking was . Oh

Speaker 5 (44:07):
My God . It was like on the magazine, like I know
exactly what you're talkingabout. It's like the , it

Speaker 6 (44:10):
Was literally a magazine. That's all we had.
And so I

Speaker 5 (44:13):
Remember those .
Yeah, I did that when I wasinterviewing . That's

Speaker 6 (44:15):
Actually a fantastic idea by Rich Brazer ,

Speaker 5 (44:18):
Like who's the person I talked to, who's their
information you pay? Likethere's

Speaker 6 (44:21):
The telephone

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Call . Yeah , there's the phone number .
There was no email back then.
There's no email . There's theaddress to send a letter .

Speaker 6 (44:29):
Yep . And that's what you had to , you had to
send letters with a, atournament resume that you had
zero idea of what the templateof that tournament resume
should be. So you don't know no

Speaker 5 (44:41):
Internet back then.
You don't even know what it'ssupposed to look like.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
Yeah, hundred percent . So basically if a
coach didn't have , if a coachdidn't have to stumble upon you
at a, where they're probablynot going to, the odds are, and
or, or you wrote them X amountof letters, there's no way for
them to know about you untilnow. Right? So it's, it's just
totally different. No socialmedia, no email, no nothing.
And so that's all about thisinformation transparency that

(45:06):
needs to come out. But no, richBrazo , um, he, he is got this
awesome idea and I think it'sgonna , it , it's , it's just
gonna really compliment whatwe're doing. And so we're
gonna, we're gonna partner withthem. We'll be announcing that
here probably in the next, I'dsay two to four weeks. But
yeah, college golf guy , reallygood stuff. Canceled . It's

Speaker 5 (45:23):
So genius what you're doing. Like seriously,
like, I mean, there was such aneed and like you don't
realize, is it , I mean, youprob I mean, you already had
the experience with you , withwhat you had before but like,
unless you were a parent,right? Like, and all of a
sudden you had that problem,like how would you have ever
have known that even exists?
You've been like, oh , I ,whatever. You know, like it's,
it's obscure, but it's not,unless you're in that position
of a parent or a junior golfertrying to get into college.

(45:45):
'cause you might think back onwhen I did it back in the
nineties, it was different.
Well, yeah, no kidding. Therewas no internet back then. So
it's like, well , yeah ,

Speaker 6 (45:51):
What fascinated me about this is that, you know,
when I did the initial researchthat I described earlier, like
every other sport has it. Imean, literally it exists in
every other sport. Yeah . Andso the ability to provide that
opportunity for players andparents and coaches and, you
know , it's very rare in theworld that we live in now, that
you can kind of get, you know,you talk about win-win, right?

(46:12):
Talk about a win-win. And likeon our case, you've got a
win-win win and the triangle,as you know, players, parents,
and coaches. Cool . Yeah . I'dalso like to say courses are
involved in that and then, andthen partners and sponsors,
because the value propositionof what we're doing is, is is
immense no matter who you are.
I mean, it's, we'd like tothink it's a lot . We like to

(46:36):
think we're helping people. Imean, we've already had
probably over 50, it's rightaround 50 now. Players who
have, who have found their fitor playing , who are playing
college golf because of thesecamps. And we're just getting
started. So I think it's , uh,I think we got some legs.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
No , I think it's so smart. I mean, so where can
people find you? Like if, ifthey're watched right now,
like, oh crap, I wanna do this.
Like what , what do they do?

Speaker 6 (46:59):
Website is just college golf and the letter
x.com . So college golf , youknow, companies, college, golf
experience college golf, andthe letter X . And then if
anyone wants to email me, I'malways getting 'em with
specific questions aboutplayers and their situation and
hey, what camp is right for me?
It's justjoshua@collegegolfx.com. So
door's always open, man.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
That's awesome.
Well, I mean, I, when I firstheard about what he was doing,
I was like, oh , it's smart.
But then knowing more like Ididn't know the , all the
problems. I was thought , oh,that's a good idea. But when
you start seeing like how it'sgrown so much already in the
like, what, two years? I mean,you're just starting if you
think about it because

Speaker 6 (47:36):
Yeah, we got a long way to go though. We got a long
way to go and, and there's somuch more that we can do for
players, parents, and coachesand yeah, I see that
opportunity, but I always tryto remind myself that the old
cliche, right rum wasn't builtin a day and I feel like we've
got, we've got some years aheadof us to really make this and,
and really nail it.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
Well that's really cool. Well, thank you so much
for being on the show today.
You guys have to check outcollege golf experience if you
have kids or young adults arewanting to get into college
golf and have no idea what todo , um, because it gives you
all the tools you need to helpthem . So thank you again for
being on the show and I'll seeeveryone on the next episode.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Thanks for listening to another episode of Behind
the Golf Brand podcast. You'regonna beat me, the golf stay
connected on and off the showby visiting golfers
authority.com. Don't forget tolike, subscribe and leave a
comment. Golf is always morefun when you win. Stay out of
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