Finding Hope in the Fight for Women’s Rights with Elida Caballero Cabrera

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bilingual podcast Historiesque Scene sinsa el Conversation Gone Elida Caro.
She's a Senior Director of Campaigns and Advocacy Programs at
w e C, where she leads efforts to advance reproductive
rights in Latin America through legal, political, and communication strategies.

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Since joining the Women's Equality Center in twenty twenty, Elida
has focused particularly on El Salvador's Chile. In Mexico, working
to ensure the mos most vulnerable populations can access reproductive justice.
Elida is a Panamanian lawyer who previously served as Senior
Advocacy Advisor for Latin America and the Caribbean at the

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Center for Reproductive Rights. She's also worked at the World
Bank Group with a multilateral investment guarantee agency and health
departments across South Asia and Latin America. Her early legal career,
which we'll talk about, included roles at the Mission of
Banama to the oas the Embassy of Banama, and the

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Academy of Human Rights and Humanitarian Law at American University.
Elida holds a law degree from Niverzia Santa Maria, a
Landia and an LLM from American University, Washington College of Law.
Listeners is the gover Elida was amazing. It was It
was a lot and at the same time wouldn't have

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enough time. And I really enjoyed how she describes how
she got into her into the work and and sometimes
how the universe, God, whatever you believe in, leads you
into moments and places and spaces that take you to

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that place where you say, I guess this is it.
And so I really had fun in talking and asking
questions about her career and the work that she does.
And we also got deep into witnessing suffering and how
do you handle it. It was really insightful and I
hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
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Speaker 2 (04:38):
Elia Elida, Welcome to kak Pam.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Thank you so much for having me, Palm.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Thank you for coming.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Very excited.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, we have so.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Like when I learned that I was interviewing you, I
was like, can we have four hours? Like there's so
much to talk about?

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
See, you know, the first question we always ask is
what is your heritage?

Speaker 4 (05:06):
My heritage is proud Latina. I am from Panama originally,
but I've been in the US for nineteen years now.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
I am still five Latina, Panama, Panamenia.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Pana Mania and just a caveat not from Panama City,
but from a place called Chittyki, which is in the border.
It's in the border with Costa Rica. And you will
be very probably very happy to learn that that is
where we produce the coffee and it's the best coffee
producer province in the whole country.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
So of course I love my Cafecito Cerco.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah Yeahamenon is than commun comotable Columbia.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Oh yeah, see super popular Croquettimos, Dossos, Seaga NL, Premio
Aljha coffee. Yes, internationally, so it's we're very proud of that.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
How fun Yes, your city town is borderline Costa Rica.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
How is that you grew up there?

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Now?

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yeah, I grew up there. It is an hour away
from the border. It's a city called David, which is
the capital. And funny story always is that when I
tell people that I'm from Panama, everyone assumes, you know,
like everyone assumes that you are from like the capital
of the countries. And I tell people, no, I came

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from my tiny, tiny town directly to Washington. Never even
live in Panama City. So for me, the change was
humongous when I arrived here.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
What brought you to Washington? What brought you to the US.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
So I always wanted to keep working on my higher education.
I'm a lawyer. I studied law in Panama. I have
a little degree from Panama, and I always wanted to
do something more. I wanted to so I always have
that little book about exploring the world and learning more,
and I decided that I was going to I wanted

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to do a master's. So I came to Washington because
my father used to live here. And then I quickly
found a job, found the program that I wanted, and
then I did a master's on international law with concentration
in business. Funny enough, because I was only coming to

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the US for one year. You know, I was only
coming to do my master's. So when you and then
I was going to go back to Panama. And what
do we have in Panama. You know, we're a financial center,
and you know everything about it's about business. So I thought, okay,
let me just study. But I was lucky enough, and
I think that just lately I have been believing.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
More in science.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
But then I look back and I think science have
always been around. Luckily enough, I ran a job and
my boss just finished her masters a couple of years
before that, and she recommended me to recommend me to
go to this American university where they had like an

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amazing courses for masters. And then I did the finance,
the concentration in finances and business. But then I was
when I was studying, I discovered human rights. I discovered
that there were human rights classes, and I was like,
what are human rights?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Were never thought?

Speaker 4 (08:49):
I mean, law school in two thousand in Parma, sitting
my tiny town did not speak about human rights right,
And I was I always have to work because you
know the real immigrant story, even though always being very privileged,
and I'm very thankful for that, when you come here,
the reality is that you have to work and so

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for you to be able to pay your bills.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
So I was.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Always working and I landed a job at the academy
and human rights at the university.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
So human rights and justice found you.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Human rights into an international law and justice found me.
And I'm so grateful that happened to me because I
can tell you that.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Most of my better and most amazing friendships amidas I
found at the university there, especially today, we share the
same values, we share the same concerns, and we shared
this amazing law for each other and support that.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I just feel very lucky.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I love that you mentioned that because it's it's important
to especially I see on social media a lot of
people talk about the crisis that exist with friendships and
how it's like people move and migrate, which we'll talk
about migration and even within the US, which is the

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country that we currently exist in, and even when you
move places, there's this lack of like how do you
make friends again? And I love that you mentioned that
you found them at the university because you have those
lots of things in common, you know, you care about
the same things, and probably it's what keeps the friendship
thread still going.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yes, I'm a very firm believer of friendship. For me,
friendships are the true love. You know, people go around
and like, oh, let me find my true love for me,
my true love.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
My family, my chosen family.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Especially since I moved, you know, to the US, and
I was here by myself, has been my friends. I
do still have my very good friendships from back home.
I have again the privilege to be able to travel
very often to Panama to see my mom, to see
my friends, and I do have my my really good
friends there, but also I have my friends from here.

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And since Washington, d C. Is a very temporal city,
temporary city, you know, people come, a lot of diplomats,
a lot of students, and then they leave, I have
had a lot of times that I, you know, I
have temple when a lot of my friends livelant but

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the beautiful thing about that is being able to keep
connecting with them. And now I have friends all over
the world. So any time that I go anywhere, I
know someone, I have a friend of a friend and
I keep and I still have a very good network here.
But also it's amazing to also have a network in
other places when you go. So I I do believe

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that it's very important to keep to give time and effort.
My my really good friends. Uncle who I met at
some point when he came and visit, said Alohamingos, I
got the cardleous temple and more eating it. And I
found that to be very true because I feel that

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sometimes we get so aligned with our daily work and
like our relationships are romatic relationships and all that, and
we forget that when none of us is there, none
of that is there, who's there to support us?

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Can pract alone? Bro Like, who's there to hug us
and listen to us?

Speaker 4 (12:41):
So for me, I'm a very like I feel like
I'm very good at keeping in touch and dedicating time
to my friends.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, and I think I also have friendships. I was
going to when you mentioned like when they moved and
I was thinking about this thin of I was talking
to a friend and I want to go to Legoland
and she's like, we need kids because I don't have
children and she doesn't have children. And I was like,

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we don't need kids to go to Lego Land, and
she's like, no, we do need kids, because it was
a thing at some point that like pedophiles would go
to Legoland without children, and so if if you're an
adult without children, it's weird, you know. Yeah, and so
and I'm like all my friends and I started thinking,
and I was like, all my friends with children.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Are outside of San Diego. I need to find friends.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
With kids here.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
And so I started thinking about that when you were sharing.
Because the power of the internet as well, Yes, you
know how you can still stay in touch with people
that are quote far away and still be friends. I mean,
my best friend lives in Missouri and I'm in San Diego. Yeah,
and it's funny because sometimes we could go months without

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talking to each other and then all of a sudden
we send each other podcasts of like updates, like and
then you know, she's the mother four and so it's
like two weeks and she's like, oh, I forgot that
I had a message for me, let me go back
to you. And I think also there's a lot of
power with friendships in with the investment that you said,
but also not putting so much pressure, yes, you know,

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like understanding view of lives.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Oh yeah, absolutely, And I do think that that's the
beauty of like this friendships, that we meet people where
they are and friends meet you where you are, you know,
I do. I think eighty percent of my friends have
kids and have you know, families and all that. So
I understand that I might text you today and you
might come back to me on Monday because you know,
the kids and I I and I completely understand that.

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But I think it's always important to be present, you know,
for and remind people that you are around even though
you are far away, that the people can count you
and you're still You're still there for them whenever they
find the time, especially these days. I do think that
I friendship got me through the pandemic, and I do

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believe that my good friends and the work that I
do obviously have gotten me through or current times. So
I am I'm a firm believer of good friendships, not
expecting but always giving.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, totally, And it it's so much easier.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
My very good friend always tells me that she has
no expectations ever, not at work, not with people, not
with friends, and that way she's not disappointed. And I,
in this new life that I've been working on for
the last probably three years, I have been trying to
apply that as well, you know, because we always, we

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always have expectations about people. And then one day I
ask myself, well, people might have expectations about me, and
am I fulfilling that? We cannot live our lives trying
to please everyone and not everyone is going to lie
to you the same way, and not everyone is going
to agree with you.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
So why don't you we.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Just take a step back, leave day by day and
see what it happens, you.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Know, Hm, agreed.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
I do live by that philosophy of zero expectations. And
I actually when I've told people like I don't expect you,
like I have no expectations, but I do trust you, Yes, exactly,
there's like that very distinct difference, And for me, trust
is super important, Like I don't expect them to do anything,

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but I trust them to come through with integrity, and
when that's broken, then we're done.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
No, absolutely, absolutely, I think trust is one of loyalty.
It's one of the I mean so one of the
most important things about life, but especially about friendship, because
that's where you're putting your heart and soul when you
you know, when you have your friends and that intimate

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space of being able to be who you are and
you know, taking off those mass of like this is
my how I portray myself at work, and this is
how I portray myself in X, Y and C situation.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
You can be yourself, you can be wrong.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
And I think for me and I always think about
who are the friends where, like where I feel most
comfortable going to cry versus you know, it's very easy
to go and have fun, you know, go out or
do something fun.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
The crisis and the.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Cruel moments in life and the sad moments in life
also teaches you who are those ownbrous where you can
go and cry, And that's I think that's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Agreed.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Agreed, And speaking of trust, we are currently living in
a time and space in our country where.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Trust so many ways.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yes, I want to keep it within your story, but
I have your title because you have a very long title.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, I'm sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
You're the Senior director of Campaigns and Advocacy Programs at
the Women's Equality Center.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yes, I am.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
It's amazing what you do.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
And I'm curious about when did you realize reproductive rights
was your work to carry, to deal with, to expand
on to work on.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, so going back to the science and stories of
you know, paying attention to science in life. When I
did my masters and joined these academy and human rights,
I met these amazing humans that work on human rights.
There were already human rights lawyers that became friends and
I started learning, you know, about the issue. I met

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amazing people that I stayed in touch with and became friends.
And there were a couple of years in between that
I was, you know, between jobs, between the jobs that
I thought I was supposed to be doing. And I
have no regrets of all the jobs I had. I
think they they make me the professional that I am.

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I met amazing people that I still stay in touch with,
and I learned a lot, but I were not fulfeeling enough.
One day I was I was at this one of
these jobs that I had, and my really good friend
tells me that I should apply to this position at
the Center for Reproductive Rights which is another amazing reproductive

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rights organization.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
And I said, but I don't.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Know anything about reproductive rights, and she's like, yes, you do.
You know you have been doing human rights, you have
been getting some experience, and you have all these networks
and this is the perfect job for you.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
So I was doubting myself.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
And I must say that this friend of mine has
been an inspiration and has been the one who has
pushed me through professional life to be able to discover
who I really am and how I can become a
better person, especially at work. And I apply, and after

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a long process of interviews, et cetera, I was chosen.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
You know, I got the job. And I remember being
like a couple of months before.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
The thing that actually got me to decide that I
was going to apply for this job is that this
friend of mine was already working on this issue. And
one day she tells me, I see she posts something
on Facebook about women being wrongfully incarcerated in a Salvador
for having obstetric emergencies, getting sentenced to up to forty

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and fifty years in prison. And I going to said,
is this true? What is happening? And she, you know,
would help on the phone, and she's like, yes, she
tells me all the stories, and I started, you know,
just sharing the stories with my friends, my family, my colleagues,
and I started just, I guess, being an advocate for

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reproactive rights, before even knowing that I was advocating for
reproactive rights, because I just thought it.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Was crazy that this was happening.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
And when the opportunity arise and she told me about
the position, I said, oh absolutely, let me. Let me
After doubting a little bit, let me apply. And when
I got the job, I was over the moon.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
And after I got that job, I was able to
travel to Al Salvador, going to the jail and meet
this way man. And this is the moment when my
life changed. This is the moment where.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
All the outrage and anger that I have just by
reading the stories just went out of control because I
met these women. I met the stories of these women
being in jail, separated from their families, separated from their kids,
listening the stories about not only losing their pregnancies by

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an no obstetric emergency, by a miscarriage or a still bird,
but also losing their freedom. Yeah, losing the position as
a citizen in your country, losing your father.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
It was just devastating.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
So that day, I remember I called my friend and
I told her, you know what, I'm joining our I
was already on this campaign with you without even meeting them,
just hearing the stories. What can we do to keep
working and make this And she made this her life
work and currently she's the executive director at the Women's

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Equality Center that she found a couple years later and
brought me to work with her.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Here. Wow, what a story.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yes, I love that story because it doesn't only tackle
this issue, which is which has become our issue and
our professional life, but also tackles so much support, so
much solidarity, so much women empowering women, so much sisterhood.

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And I'm always been inspired by her, but also by
all the amazing women that I have met during the
last ten years that I've been doing this work, especially
in Central America, where it's not really secure that you

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have rights in general, and especially it's really dangerous to
talk about reproductive rights in certain countries.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Because of the lost restricted loves that exists there. Those
so super polos.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Sick letter.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, and I'm curious as as you shared your trip,
and I'm sure you've met like hundreds, maybe thousands of
women that have gone through reproductive rights and justices. How
do you bear witness and still stay grounded? Like, I

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can't imagine I would be a wreck.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
I remember I was told, like the first time, that
I was gonna go visit the jail, I should not
schedule anything else that day. Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
You know, I'm always very productive, right, so like if
I go to a country, like you know, I'm having
this schedule meeting all of these people because we need
to talk about the issue, and you know, the full schedule,
their full schedule, And I was like, no, it will
be fun.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
I was devastated.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
I was desbstroyed when I visited jail for the first time,
and I remember just going to the hotel and cried.
I cried because I could not cry in front of
these women. But I cried for like an hour, and
I decided that I could not do anything else that day.
I just needed to take some time and think about

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what I just heard and just think about how I
was going to do to fulfill my promise that they
were not alone and we were going.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
To get them released.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
And it has taken a couple of years for me
to find how I can I mean a couple of
years in the current state of the world, on how
to be able to be productive, do your work, do
your job with all the love that we have, but
also getting some time for yourself and getting some grounding.

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I recently learned something that has become what are my
man trusts and is resting is an act of resistance.
I wish I know that before, but I know now,
so I do. I do believe that it is very
important for you to in order to be able to
keep giving and to keep fighting, you also need to

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take care of yourself.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
And I have been doing that more and more. But
it was it was like then.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
I learned every time that I will go to a
Salvador and I will visit the women. That day was
just visiting the women and talking to them. Yeah, yeah,
And I remember that one time we were able to
after several visits and several conversations letters request, we were
able to bring a small crew to take some pictures

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and video of the stories because we we first asked them,
are you okay telling your story? Because if we don't
tell the stories, people are not going to know that
this is happening. And if people don't know, if this
is happening, we're not going to be able to engage people.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
And we know the power of storytelling, so they agree.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
I don't know how we got the permit from the
jail and we film them, got their stories, got some videos.
But I remember taking a picture with all of them,
and that picture sit in front of my desk until
the last one was released four years ago, and it

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was beautiful to see that that picture. Every time I
look at them, it was for me. It was a
reminder of what we needed to do. But also it
was a reminder that injustices happened all the time, and
we need.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
To be there.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
We need to be able to use the privilege that
we have to do something for the people that don't
have a voice. So then when the last one was released,
I took a picture of all of them free and
I just put it instead of the one in jail.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Oh my gosh, beautiful.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Wow. How long did it take for all of them
to be released?

Speaker 1 (28:20):
It took a village. It took a village for them.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
The last one was released, the last one from that
group that we found that it was like more than
sixty six women Wow, was three years ago, yeah, two,
three years ago, and unfortunately now we are seeing new
cases of criminalization equipment for having obstetric emergencies because of

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the new laws in Salvador and you know, the lack
of due process and the massive incarceration and all that,
which is very worrisome because we thought that after we
release the last one this was we were just going
to start working on reparations and you know, how to

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make the state to give them something back from what
they were wrong. And we're still working on that, but
it's just been very worrisome because in the last year
we have had more than twelve cases. Fortunately, majority of
them are awaiting their processes outside of the jail like

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in Freedom, but we still have three women that are
in jail. So it is really upsetting and sad that
it took us more than nine plus years to release
these women and now we're seeing more cases coming.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Back, but they would still be there.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yes, if you.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Didn't do anything.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
Yes, I think it is amazing. I mean Paula, which
is our executive director, really made the mission of her
life to make to take these women out of jail.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
And it was it was.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
A coalition and it was a group effort of many,
many activists, many many organizations, regional and nationally, people that
took time from their daily lives to come and speak
about it, to meet the women, to.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Tell the stories.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
So when I said it took a village, it took
a village. Every single release took so many people. But
absolutely I believe that if we did not elevate the
stories and bring the stories out to the public, they.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Will still be there for sure.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, and today at least that big group, every like
all of them are out.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
That was really hard clad.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
So it's been a roller coaster about One beautiful story that.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I always also share is that the.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Sorority among them and every time one of the women
will come out of jail, will tell the other ones,
and you know, in different levels because not everyone is
as comfortable as others speaking out, but will tell the
other ones no worries, I will do something publicly or

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privately to keep fighting for.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
You guys to also come out.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Yes, And one of the women that was released a
couple of years ago, Theodora, which is a powerhouse, when
she came out and went through the whole readaptation to
society and so her heart was she decided to open
a house for the women that are coming out of jail,

(31:53):
to give them a home, to help them, you know,
explain them, Explain to them what is you know, what
is Facebook?

Speaker 1 (32:02):
What is this? You know Instagram? What is sala.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
La con car And.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Oh my god not but I can think about.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
It and it's it's rough.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
And Tom says to have someone that went through that
and was able to manage and help them to readapt
and you know some of like every story is different.
Algunas so familiar, pras Marcalas is so familiar. Yeah, no

(32:46):
Karia yes, Amergensis Latina Machista can and says, uh yes
foreign superpose song, super publica my some converted activittas your

(33:15):
trust on.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
It was.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
Just the fact that someone that went through that comes
out and just says, you know what, I'm gonna make
the mission of my life to help the women that
went through the same thing I went through to get
a better rains.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Like, it's just powerful power.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
That's power, and those are the things that keep inspiring
me to keep doing this work.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
To tellment.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Zee, oh my GOSHNNA get my drug.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Right there, okay. Elida Mamosa said on.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Coffee break perfect.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
This is a good time for local your break.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
And then we'll come back and keep talking about this.
This is myself.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Thomas to cafe, Joe Tomo, I.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Love your your feminist Yes, yes.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Tom cafe, It's the the chiavan lets a con cafe
pang and terms says you Craco Indiana say that the cafe.
No my primer ca, la manana is sing nada so

(34:44):
loo cafe, puro boy co on on ice coffee, lata.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
A color on col.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
No matter fact man espressola di.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
I wish.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Magnana, no croquet and this is nothing.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
As don't come on favorite way to brew it.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Whatever the mood strikes.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Stick, whatever the mod tango love French press tango, Italiana
sing well dripping tangola, So yeah, perm quality forma.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Do you have a ritual like when you make your
first cup of coffee?

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Do you like make a ritual a stick or is it.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
No?

Speaker 4 (35:43):
In this song in the last three years I have
been I started meditating. So I wake up and the
first thing I do is meditate, and then I get up,
you know, I brush my teeth and then come and
prep my carffee, and then I start listening to the
news in the morning and reading some papers with my coffee,

(36:07):
and then after that I try to get like a
workout him. So, but like my coffee usually is like
the second thing I do with some getting into what's
happening in the world. I need coffee for that.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah. I was gonna say, do you definitely need something?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:28):
I love that. Do you have a favorite rn? DC?

Speaker 2 (36:31):
So, do you have a favorite coffee shop that you
want to support? Do you want to give him a
shout out?

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Yes, I want to support a Caffe Needle, which is
a Panamanian coffee shop that opened here in DC a
couple of years ago, and it's that little corner from
home here. They do great coffee, of course because it's
Panamanion coffee. Can I what can I tell you? And
it's there like located in a very cozy place that

(36:58):
is surrounded by Latino restaurants nice, so it's a whole
Latino compound, and I just feel amazed every time Ago.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Rico is there, like a like a signature pastry that
goes with coffin Panama come on and.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
And it was like, do you na it's a problem.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
It's a problem. Depends Panama. You're not pet coon and
Pana is.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Due solo time care Quaker moment known asa a companient
cl Okay.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
On my end, I'm drinking my extravagant it's not extra Yeah,
it's more like extra concoction of cocao. I brew it
with lots of herbs.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
And then I'm throughout like as I'm drinking it, I'm
like pouring coffee in it. So it ends up like
it starts being cocau in the morning and then it
ends up being cafe.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Oh wow.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
I heard in one of your podcasts that you were
explaining about the cacao, and I was like, how did
you make cocao? That's not I mean, I love chocolate,
but I never made cocao with anything in my house
and I was just I heard you mix it with lavender.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, you can mix it with with anything.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
So basically the cocao is or like I use pure cocao,
which comes from the cocao fruit. There's the cocao beans
that get that come from the coca fruit. Those get
roasted cae those get roasted, and then they get zemoelin

(39:02):
and dundi. A cacao traditionally with Mexican women, and and
he says, a la pasta cacao, which that because it's cacao,
has a lot of delicious, beautiful minerals and like great

(39:27):
things for ourselves, Like it has a lot of magnesium
and zinc, and it has fatso and theobromine.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
That's great for the heart.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
And so it has a lot of like really cool
things and so as mire and pieces a little fat
cacao pastita. Oh yes, pastitae calore and so I brew
like a tea and then I have the cacao and

(39:55):
then water in it.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
Oh wow, Clara Noyance chocolate powder that you're buying the store.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
No, no, no, it's.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
It's really cool.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
And this is what the beans look like as they
are freshly roasted.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Oh wow, yes, just like coffee, because we also have
cacao and panama. But I've never seen I never seen
like the process.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
This is just so cool.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
See, I mean, I you know, my adhd I getcaw
on things that I'm like that I love so like
actually because the started with I mean Elcca is meso Americano.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
It's not you know, some people.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Are like it's Mexican and it's Equadorian.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
And know that.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
What happened is that I mean migration, going back to
how everything migrates, birds started carrying or eating and so
the seeds were like scrambled all over. So coca is
found everyone and us that Mexico, OK. Consider, but at
the time it wasn't any of those countries. It was

(41:10):
just as American now and the Mayans used to use
it as currency. Yes, chocolate, what I believe, yes is
significant better drink.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Oh wow, I did not know that.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Latin Americana as spectacular, super Rica, super Rika, Mexico Amo wow, Stintoca.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Is wow, it's super super And the reason why I
fell in with coca, I don't know if I've shared
this is literally when I learned the story of cacao
and how when colonization was happening and the Spanish were
stealing everything cultural language, people land that gau was some

(42:11):
of that. There's diaries of Conque.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Quote the name.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
The natives would be picked up, would be picking up
these almond size beans and it was it was because
it was currency, and it was it was like this
very ceremonial drink that they would give Toma includes on
I s because its looses mechicasa that the romina is is.

(43:02):
It's just it's a compound that opens up your blood flow.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
And so I don't, you know, keep up with everything
he had to do.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Fo.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yes, but.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Yeah, and then we'll get back to this. Is okay a.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Is the.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Someton says.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
And and we call her Mama Cacao because it's the
energy of the plant of cacao. Is is feminine because
she's very nurturing and and she's motherly, and she she
cleared my womb. I healed my womb with Cacao, and
and that's for a whole other podcast. But what what

(43:57):
I loved is that she as migration was happening and
her seats were scattered, and then her her also she
was exploited because eventually she was found taken to Spain
and then her she's the Hershet's corporations started exploiting it.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
That's how Cacao got to Africa.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
She with her strength and her power, she was like,
I'm going to survive, So I'm going to allow trees
to hold me. Yeah, and asked for like she basically
asked help from the trees and so I can get
out more on that.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
But but I love that you mentioned the ceremonies with
Cacao because I have really good friends in Mexico that
have sharer and they have done them, and I was like,
they're on my list for me. She do it future
trips and I'm just very excited.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, you definitely do it. Let me know when you
do it, and your life is going to so I
drink a co every day.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Okay, let's get back to the show.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
We were talking about the criminalization of of women as
if when it comes to to reproductive rights, and I
think something that's worth mentioning and I would love to
hear your take on it is how do you think
Latin American and US movement when it comes to reproductive

(45:21):
rights can learn from each other? Because I could see
people listening be like, well what is And I think
there's a lot, but I would love to hear.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
What you have to say.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Now, this is a great.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Segue because I do think that, especially in the current
context of the US Latin American relations, it is very
important to understand how everything is so interconnected.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
A group of freedom of choice and reproduct rights.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Anello Christmas discursos in our monitoring work. We will hear
the same speech about gender ideology coming from like Pauland
in Polish, and then we heard it in Argentina and Epanoel,

(46:31):
and then we heard it in Honduras, and then we also.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Heard here in the United States.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
At Tarcagos, and then we realize they're all interconnected. And
Latin America as a region is very interconnected, like the activists,
their rep organizations, the human rights movement in general is
very interconnected. Wow, because the US was protected by road

(47:01):
for the last sixty years. Yes, but for the last
sixty years Latin American activists have been fighting and pushing
and creating and sharing lessons and experiences in order to
be able to get some freedoms of on reproductive rights
and on abortion, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
E Quando.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Condomski cons and at the organization, and we were trying
to put all these thoughts together and then we said,
we need to start a conversation from the south to
the north. We need to make people understanding that this
is a transnational issue. This is not a Latin American

(47:51):
issue a US you know, this is a transnational issue
and we need to treat it like that. So one
of The first things that happened was that you know
the Maria Verde starting rapt.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
And Persona Argentina is.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
A movie Minoto, the Commis Argentina and Spira and El
Movie Miento de las Madres de la Place de Mayo
Cavi and Verdidas Mana ser protest, Panuelo Blanco Juan verde
Commis and Argentina, The sid and Tomorrow, Presto l Symbolo

(48:31):
del Panuelo Blanco Pero loo verde Forever, the hell Color
de las a lute Ever, the Hell Color de la
Vida Yes c M Pisa l Green Bandana Velpanuelo verde
representa a la maree ver walmoviemento, the the regi proteus
a word. What is beautiful about the panuelo, and I

(48:54):
always like to emphasize this is that the panuelo doesn't
belong to a country, to an organization, to an activist,
to a personelo belongs to everyone that supports and fights
for reproductive justice. And the beautiful thing is that you

(49:15):
see a panuelo on logo the different organism. You see
a panuelo andanol a panuel and in glaze a panel
and portugueze with whatever you want to put in there,
but if But the main symbol is the green panuelo,
the grim bandana, and when you see someone caring it,
you know it's like a sign.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
It's like there's a the we are together in this.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Yes a mare aue viniendo America, Latina a communceing, Argentina Pandemia,
the plisa aorto and Argentina pandemiativa context for.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Ann and communis and and.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
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il logopelisa ixpander and parpanelista.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Also a Mexico.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
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was parmundo ja Mexico and werto Pisa. Then mucho taos,

(50:44):
mara jos la portosprema, who cast in constitutional criminal Lisa
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point and Mexico, the nemos benas and the penaltisal, the
trena you knows cio cio on not altroch organ is,

(51:12):
the the artivistas acido hamplo, preto del lucha.

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Contino for ton and the demos.

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Speaker 1 (51:32):
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Dominicana don, the Una chica ha and Perancita, the sign
cancer young, em Barrasso, cancer, por barrasso.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
For marazzo, Oh my god, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
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Speaker 4 (52:00):
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and miro portrijo a ya a comparted historian, the suis
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(52:23):
Panelisa young total, mass Onduras, penas a.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Cava, the legal Lisa, Luso, the next Day, pill.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Or a la partilla and the conception of Emergencia as Wow,
tola and to says Ramos, the words mass altas the
xual and.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
And toss a criminalist, a young.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
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persona com privilecon marios Seva Argentina, sea a Colombia at
Miami on service plaes can not, casion, cannot in fasil,

(53:17):
laffin and Sierra recursos, it cannot seven hostric.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
And ato and.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Criminal in the U s Aura, Yeah, super important, La
connexion America, Latina, Cargentina, Colombia, Mexico, Margensia.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Then rof Cai row Inamos and simple enterprise.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
I was depressed when that happened.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Oh my god. We were having the conversation and we thought,
I mean, we know it was possible, but it was
just so out of.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
This world to tilement.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
But the thing, the interesting thing is that we have
been talking about how the US would become a country
like a Salvador or Honduras and the dr where women
are criminalizes and sent to jail and died because of
lack of access to abortion before it happened, and then
it happened.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
So when it happened, we.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Started saying, oh my god. The cases in Texas are
the cases from El Salvador. The women that are wrongfully
incarcerated in Texas for having an obstetric emergency or a
miscarriage are.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
The cases from the women in Salvador.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
The cases of women that are not getting any treatment
for the cancer or any other condition are the cases
of the Dominican Republic. This is again the importance of
not having segmented conversations. Are this is a global problem.
It's a transnational problem, and we need to treat it

(55:12):
as a transnational movement and get together. So when we
saw that, we started something called the Greenway Gathering. And
then what we did is that we brought activists from
Latin America on the reproductive rights movement to speak to
US reproductive rights activists and US for Productive Rights Organization.

(55:35):
And it was fantastic. The first one we did here
in Washington, d C. We had more than eighty activists
wow in panels and in conversation and with all the
translation required so people could have conversations in mike. And
I think it was a testament of what we knew

(55:59):
that there was. There was eagerness in sharing experiences. There
was a need and a desire of sharing lessons learned
and how they can start working together, especially since the
pop one of the populations that is most affected by
these bands in the United States are Latino women, immigrant

(56:21):
women and documented women and black women. So it was
a fantastic conversation and we saw such a success that
then we did a second one in Mexico City. You know,
let's do also another one here so we can keep
talking from south to north and not only only from

(56:42):
north to south as we have done for a long time,
and it was beautiful as well.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Well.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
We had even more people I think for that one
we had one hundred and twenty. And for me, the
biggest lesson from the Green Way gathering is that in
the United States activists are kind of like, what happened?
We were protected for such a long time and suddenly
we have nothing, and it's just like wow. And seeing

(57:09):
our activists from Latin America that have had to fight
for a really little right that they do, yeah, sharing
their stories and tactics and all, that was again the
outcome that we want, like and now they do. They
have conversations, they invite people all over the region for panels,

(57:29):
so like there was that connection that just needed like
a little push and it happened, and it's just beautiful
to see.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
I love that, yeah, so much.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
I love my job though, I must say that I
have an amazing job, which I love.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
For sure, totally, no, And I think it's it's necessary
and it's and I love how you're bringing merging quote
different worlds together and learning from one another and and
modeling behavior because I think about as I was prepping

(58:10):
for this interview, I was like, I used to go
to like protest, and I grew up in Mexico City,
so I used to go to protest all the time,
like literally all the time. But in the US, I
can't make my like I'm scared to go because I
don't want that, Like and Mexico night, there's no guns,
you know, like there are here, and so there's this
fear that I have here. But I think there's other

(58:32):
ways that I do activism, and like I write to
my elected official, like there's so many other ways. And
with that, I think there's also the people here listening.
There's fear also as to like what can I do
and what can I like, especially if they're in states
like Texas or like Adriana Smith who was skept literally

(58:59):
on ventilator just to give birth to a baby that
who knows. I haven't followed the story after she passed,
but at the time, I was like, who knows if
this baby is going to survive.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
That's an injustice to women's bodies.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
That is that is.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Just so cruel, and it's treating women like in Kualas,
we're just incubators, and it keeps highlighting something that we
also said a lot.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
This is not about abortion, This is not about LGBTQ rights.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
This is about power and control over our bodies. Yes,
they are not going to stop an abortion, and we
have proof now that that's their goal. That was not
their main goal.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
So it's all.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
About building a world where people like you and me
don't fit because we have a different color skin color,
because we have an accent, and because we have different beliefs.
And it is just such an inhumane treatment to women
and girls when this happened. When I saw that case,

(01:00:15):
I just thought so much about Dona Rosa and experiancy
it in the depending On Republic, except because I was
It was just so heartbreaking, you know, And I think
that is very important to highlight that again. And I
think I started the conversation with this is I understand
the fear I have had for the first time after

(01:00:37):
nineteen years living here, I have experienced fear. But the
group of people that have the privilege to be able
to go to a protest, or to be able to
call your senators, or could be able to donate to
an abortion fund, there are so many different ways where
you can act, but we need to act actually we

(01:01:00):
need to denounce these acts. Yes, because this is inhumane.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I mean not only the.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Total aversion bands, but the immigrant rates, I mean all
the things that are happening right now. We need to
get together and being able to denounce that this is
not normal. I think normalization is one of the most
dangerous things that happen. People are just normalizing because we're tired.

(01:01:29):
I mean, it's just been six months and we're seven months.
We're exhausted, I know. But every time I get exhausted
and I get sad. I mean I've been very sad
and hal had my moments. As everyone that I think
cares about something, I've been anger, sad, all the feelings.

(01:01:50):
But then I start thinking about the modernas in my life,
like moderna Redra one of the most fearful activists from NSA,
Or about Rahina that for twelve years in Hondura she
fought for abortion an emergency contraception under a dictatorship, or
about Martalanis in Argentina. So these are people that inspire

(01:02:15):
me because I have seen them fight regardless of the context.
So they are an inspiration for me to be like, Okay,
maybe I'll take some time to you know, get myself
together to ground. But then I'll come back and then
I'm going to keep doing this work because I cannot
stay silent. I mean as a Latina, as an immigrant,

(01:02:39):
as a lawyer, as a human rights activists, and as
someone that believe that a better world is possible, I
cannot stay silent. And one last thing that I will
say is that in one of those exchanges that we
do for work, we have we also from conversations between

(01:03:00):
policymakers from you know, the US with Latin American ones,
and we have done some legislative trips with some of
our partners. And we had a trip in January that
we planned for like six months and we know, wow,
we know that it could be a fantastic one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Or it could be rough.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Unfortunately it was the second one. And it was we
were visiting Georgia and we were visiting Washington, d C.
And after UH and this was we have legislators from
Mexico and Argentina and you know, we were they were
having conversations and at the end we always do like
a final get together to see to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
What our members have to say.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
And one brand on debrief React and Ionadadas was like,
oh my god, I'm very grateful for this trip because
I've been able.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
To understand and learn about the US. But I leave
back to my country feeling.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
The Locan Sado and America Latina for women's rights and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
For Politicas. Yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
We have maternity live, we have child care. Health health
is actually a right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
A human right in Latin America.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
And see that in the US, the land of the
opportunity and the free and all this, women don't have
any of this. Uh, make me realize, get this, make
me realize that the American dream does not include women.

(01:04:59):
My dog moment, my drop. I was like, wow, you're
You're totally right. How people are expecting women to have
kids here? If you need, you're supposed.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
To go to work three days after you give birth
and then pagan on childcare. It's probably your whole salary.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
You don't have your support.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
System Common America pretmo total. You don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
You're by yourself here and you're criticizing women and people
for not wanting to have kids, for not wanting to
have children. I mean, there's nothing so for me. That
was my drop moment, and I keep having that line
in my head that a we I know, Latin America

(01:05:54):
a mouch of the factos, like so many things to advance,
so many things to move.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Forward, and the fire is still there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
But it made me feel very proud that we also
have a lot of things that protects us and that
the five that are activists and cetras and Geras, d
M d M L and the ETO outcomes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Wow, oh my gosh, we can close there. But I
have a question about.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Hope.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
So given that we.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Like our existence is very layered and intersectional. You know,
we have cross border families, mac satus families. We have
all of the things what current protections or performs give
you hope for the listeners to be like you know,
it's hard, but.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Are you not los?

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
I do believe in hope, pertestin, but I don't think
I have hope on policies or not. I have hoping
people theng Go, Experanza and Lahnde. It gives me hope
to see eighty year old people protesting with the little

(01:07:30):
signs saying I have been fighting for this for the
last sixty years. It gives me hope to see our
white people neighbors going out and denouncing and being the protest.
It gives me hope to see the young people coming
out and voting on an a special election. I do
think the hope has to be in the people, and

(01:07:53):
the people need to call all of our policy makers
and make them accountable for what we voted voted them
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
So hees and Tom says no, mandamos locos.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
And Cass says Jonathan Hope and on policy maker and
on policy and on. I have hope in the people,
and I know the people are keep gonna come coming,
keep coming out. Protestare and d C for the Hemploas

(01:08:37):
squeil As Elementary School, Lo Familia gon Documentos asian kalnas
Umanas parcels Familias in documents.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Compared and Petro Yes. Part of me is the beautiful
thing about humanity.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Yeah, for sure, I love that just.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
One t okay, Yes, yes, yes, with privilege comes responsibility

(01:09:41):
and so absolutely everyone has some level of privilege and
so like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
There's always something, always restless resistance. You know, take a
nap if you need to, but then once your resource
come back, and it's the only way.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
No, it's only way.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
And I do think that it's the more you share
and the more you get people to know, the more
people are gonna get familiar, and the more people imported.
You're always into politics. I'm not into politics, and let
us Yeah, politics a personal my friend. And you think

(01:10:21):
you think those policies are not gonna fight you, they
will or they will affect someone that you know. For
the last year and a half, I've been so proud
of her because she has become this little digital activist
and like calling out people in her life and I'm like, oh,
I'm so proud of you. So those things again, going

(01:10:42):
back to the hope gives me hope because people are caring,
people are understanding that this is inhumane, cruel, noise norm.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
We have to fight.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
And the only way to do it is to do it. Yeah,
when Alida, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Last two questions perfect media. Do you want to share
with us?

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
So I was thinking about that when I read it,
and I was like.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
What I mean, I don't know, but you know, I'm
going to share my own personal remedy coffee, dancing and meditection. Yes,
I love dancing. I love music and when I'm sad,
I put music. When I'm happy, I put music on music.
It's like my thing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
It's a very somatic way.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Yeah, music is a healing power. Let me say.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
La la musica.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
It's if you look, if we look at Latin American countries,
music is with us. Yeah, and it's something that heals
us like a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
What's your quote armantra that you live by right now?

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
So, as I mentioned, I've been in this journey of like.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
Meditating, grounding myself since the pandemic. And when I started meditating,
I kept telling everyone that that changed my life. So
everyone who hasn't should meditate and try h And I
do think that it's very important to to ground yourself
and be a.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Mean more calm. But one of the things that I
learned is that you need to release and trust Econfier
and I even have one of my friends can make
me a giffee with me doing this, So Econfia and
it's all over. What's pp I love? And the other

(01:12:41):
one super important, Oh my Ganda songs is mantras Alita.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Thank you so much for coming to ka compam No,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
I love it, I love it, I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
Wasn't my official language Spanglish, and it was each a
pleasure to share this time with you and thank you
so much. Fun and I love your podcast, it's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Contract.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Where can we find the Women's Quality Center all the things,
give us all the things, all the links to connect,
and where can we get involved?

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
All the things?

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
Absolutely so you can find us on our website which
is very small. It's a love dot orgy way that work. Yeah,
and then you know, how can you get involved? You
know again, you have an abortional phone near you donate
to an abortional fund.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
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Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
The stories of the Salvador, please write to us so
we can share them with you. We have amazing, powerful
stories that you can learn from and then help keep
highlighting and be civilizing. And also just keep getting informed
here if you live here in the United States and
don't be the sort to know, keep supporting and announcing

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what's happening here, and especially if you're an immigrant, also
support the immigrant organizations that we are all this together
and I think we it's an intersectional work, so all
of that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Thanks well, thank you so so much for coming to
kaa compamp. This was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Thank you, Pam. Have a great week.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
So okay, listeners, that was my conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
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Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
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