January 19, 2025 • 58 mins
How does one turn grief into a healing journey? I chat with Jocelyn Bates, a soul artist and healer whose profound personal journey sheds light on the transformative power of creativity and therapeutic practices. After the sudden loss of her parents, Jocelyn embarked on a path of holistic healing that included transcendental meditation, cold plunging, and human design.
Learn about the transformative journey of soul art, which integrates intention setting, creating body or energy maps, and deriving profound insights from creative expression. Jocelyn will take you through various types of soul art journeys such as body mapping and energy mapping. Discover how this practice can empower you by revealing your inner wisdom and leading to actionable spirit actions inspired by your own creativity.
We also explore the paradigm shift towards a more decentralized, community-focused world and the impact this has on personal relationships and societal structures. Jocelyn introduces the concept of Human Design, highlighting different types and their influence on personal decisions and responses to life's challenges.
Key Takeaways:
1. Understanding the therapeutic power of soul art
2. Practical strategies for emotional healing
3. Implementing human design principles
4. Building community-focused healing practices
5. Integrating creativity with personal growth
Jocelyn is a Cultivator of Curiosity in the Human Experiment. She is a Soul Art Guide, Akashic Records Guide, Yoga Nidra Guide and Human Design Mentor. She is also an Expressive Arts Therapist/Intermodal and an EFT Master Practitioner. She has been working with people for over 25 years in different capacities to help them find their authenticity and purpose in life.
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Rose Wippich (00:03):
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(01:00):
Today On Chat Off The Mat, Iwelcome Jocelyn Bates.
Jocelyn is a soul artist and asoul art guide.
She's a cultivator of curiosityand creativity in the human
experiment, an Akashic Recordsguide, a Yoga Nidra guide, an
expressive arts therapist, amaster EFT practitioner, a
holistic practitioner.
(01:21):
She's a teacher, artist, writerand a podcaster.
A mama of three, afour-slash-one-quad-right
generator, a shaman and anAquarian.
Welcome, Jocelyn.
Jocelyn Bates (01:36):
Hello, hello.
Rose Wippich (01:38):
I just want to tell the audience a little bit
about how we've met.
We've met outside of thepodcasting world.
We actually study under thesame shaman teacher, Janet
Straight Arrow, who I'veinterviewed for the show in the
past, so that's how we got toknow each other.
Jocelyn Bates (01:56):
Yeah, yeah, I've known Janet for a long time.
Years ago I had a stillbirthand then I got pregnant right
afterwards and I had so muchanxiety that I went to her to
kind of just make sure that mypregnancy stayed, and and she
was friends with my mom and somy mom had gone to her for a
long time and so I've known.
She married me, she blessed mykids.
Rose Wippich (02:18):
I know Janet is fantastic.
Jocelyn Bates (02:20):
Yeah, she's, she's, great, she's one of a
kind right.
Yeah, yeah, no-transcript.
(02:47):
Well, you're never done healing.
You know you're always workingthrough this life and so many
things like end up blocking ourenergy in all different ways
that you know we're alwaysworking to clear things and be
our highest version of ourselves, yeah, so we can help others,
right?
Rose Wippich (03:04):
So?
So let's, let's circle back toyou and let's tell, tell the
audience more about yourself andwhat has led you on the path of
to helping others.
Jocelyn Bates (03:14):
Yeah, okay, so I've.
I've always, I've always beenon the path of helping others.
I've always been on thecreative path.
I mean, I was just a, acreative kid that just kind of
grew up and in college I went toschool for expressive art
therapy and intermodal andmental health counseling and so
I ended up.
You know, I actually didn'twant to be a therapist, which is
funny.
(03:34):
I didn't want to be a therapist, I'd rather have been like a
rebirther.
I would have rather been like ayoga teacher slash rebirther on
the side but I didn't end updoing that and I ended up going
to school and I ended up in thetherapy world and, of course, I
ended up with teenagers, becauseteenagers love me.
I ended up with working withsexual trauma, teenage girls,
and I worked in the juvenilesystem with boys and I've been
(03:58):
all over the map working in lotsof different places with people
, but more in a therapeutic, ina therapeutic relationship and
in using the arts.
So then I had kids and I was insuch a.
It was, you know, I was dealingwith teenagers and young adults
who had these things happen tothem and it was kind of awful.
And so when I had kids I waslike Ooh, I don't want my kids
(04:20):
to do anything.
They're never going to date,they're never going to walk
across the street, they're nevergoing to like you know.
So, yeah, yeah, they're nevergoing to drive because, oh my
God, I know, you know, I I justI stopped and I became a
homeschool mom and unschoolingmom and of course, I missed it.
So I kept doing all of my.
(04:42):
I started running co-ops andteaching classes on out school
and like just doing this stufffrom home so I could be home
with the kids.
And that was well and good andI still felt like I was
contributing to people.
You know, I was really.
I love helping people withcuriosity, because curiosity in
particular and creativitytogether can they're like,
(05:03):
they're like a magic potion, andso a lot of times when you have
like teenagers who are kind ofon that we get a lot of things
from public school and all ofthese places.
We get a lot of external rulesand ways we're supposed to be,
and yeses and noes and rightsand wrongs and goods and bads,
and when you can kind of breakteenagers of that, it's like
it's like watching a flowerblossom.
(05:23):
So I just I love that work andthen I was doing that and then
my parents died seven days apart, in 2021.
And I am an only child.
We lived with my parents.
They were like second parentsto my kids and it was totally
unexpected and super traumaticand I ended up in shock for
quite some time.
And, um, and so after that, uh,after I was able to come out of
(05:48):
the shock, I really needed toheal myself and I knew I had the
beginnings with art therapy,you know, with like expressive
art therapy.
So I had written and drawn allthe way through.
And, um, I started back in withmeditation and I went and get,
I went to the transcendentalmeditation center and got my
mantra for my and I was doingthat two times a day and I was
cold plunging and I was.
I found human design again atthat point and I there were so
(06:12):
many things I was doing just tobegin to like, I guess, make my
body a safe place to come backto I think that's probably the
best way to put it Like my bodywas not safe to come back into
until I started to find somequiet and some stillness and
some calm.
And in that, all of a sudden, Ireally felt this need to connect
to other realms, otherdimensions, to my parents, to my
(06:35):
ancestors, and so that journeykept going and, of course, Janet
was there the whole time.
She was probably one of thefirst people.
I think I might've called her afew weeks after my parents died
and I was like Janet, I needhelp.
My parents died and she didn'tknow, and I cause I didn't put
it on, you know, and it was likeit was a pretty intense session
and um and so there was thiscalling to the spiritual world
(06:58):
happening through this.
You know, I was being visited bymy parents in dreams, I was
smelling them everywhere, mykids were seeing them in the
house.
There was all this crazysynchronicity happening and
there was so much going on thatI knew it wasn't of this world.
So I ended up really justjumping headlong into this
journey that took me from, youknow, TM and cold plunges, to
(07:21):
human design, to Akashic Records, to Yoga, yoga nidra, to soul
art, and now I offer them all.
It's one of those things Ialways feel like I don't ever
want to offer anything that Ihaven't fully understood and
done myself right or like reallygrasp.
You know like I get it.
You know so, uh, so yeah.
So now I offer that and I feellike having gone through such an
(07:42):
intense grief and it's still inme, like I still have days
where I'm like I'm not.
You never come back from thatcompletely, but I still have
these days.
But, having gone through griefthe way I did and understanding
now what a portal oftransformation it can be, like
understanding that those moments, those vulnerable, heartbroken
moments, actually do have a hugegift at the other side.
(08:05):
And seeing how many people aregrieving right now, I feel
called to tell my story, to beout there to help people, to
inspire people to get curiousand creative with their, not
only with, like you know, howthey create or write or perform
on stage, but with their entirelife, like with their spirit,
with who they are, with whatthey want to do.
(08:26):
So, yeah, I don't know if Ianswered your question.
Rose Wippich (08:30):
Yeah, oh, absolutely no, and I know we
spoke earlier and I didn't.
I didn't know your story butyour parents dying so close
apart during COVID and I knowyou shared more with me and it
was really traumatic and youweren't able to see your mom and
you know there was a lot ofelements there that really added
to this, like I don't know theshock that you experienced.
(08:51):
And you know I've recently metand have interviewed a lot of
people who have transformedthrough grief and are now
helping others and I think youknow when I was thinking about
this today and I was thinking,well, were there ever like a lot
of grief?
Therapists and counselors youknow way back when I've never
(09:11):
really heard of them as much asI have now.
I think maybe with all thegrief we've experienced with
COVID, you know that was such abig effect on everyone.
Jocelyn Bates (09:21):
Yeah, and you know, death and and and grief is
taboo it.
You know it's one of thosethings that you know I never
actually sought out a griefcouncil.
Actually, I did seek out an arttherapist at one point and it
was the most terrific experiencethat I'd ever had.
I actually, you know she, sheblamed me for my parents' death
(09:41):
and then fired me because Iwasn't vaccinated.
Like, talk about being atherapist?
Yeah, really crazy.
So I, you know I and then afterthat you'd be surprised I
couldn't find a grief group thatwas open.
I looked for a grief group fora really long time and couldn't
find one.
The only thing I found weresome Facebook groups and I felt
(10:01):
like people were on thoseFacebook groups to like I don't
know, vomit out something to.
It wasn't to heal to me.
When I went into those groups Ifelt like there was a lot of
there.
If you were, you know I was inanger, yeah, anger, or
comparison, like oh.
my son.
You don't understand Like therewas a lot of that talk, and so
(10:22):
I felt it was a bit unhealthyfor me.
There were a few really goodones, though that really focused
on coping or moving through it,you know, which did help me a
little, but for the most partnow you'll see lots of lots of
therapists place grief on theirlist of who they work with.
Yeah, they place it there, butI don't know, I kind of feel
(10:42):
like grief.
I feel like it's more of aspiritual journey.
Rose Wippich (10:46):
I do too.
Jocelyn Bates (10:46):
And a therapeutic journey and and I don't know
how many people I mean now theyhave like death doulas.
You know, I think that's afascinating, amazing job.
Like death doula is man, I wishI could have been a death doula
for my parents, like I wish Icould have walked them through
at some point, because that workis that.
That's angel work.
Rose Wippich (11:05):
You know that's like a friend of mine.
She does that.
She works in hospice withpeople and she's a Reiki Master,
and she has just a lot of gifts, spiritual gifts, and she helps
people with that.
I want to talk about your soulart, though, because I know your
soul art is just such anintegral part of you and how you
express yourself and how youwill help others.
So I want to talk about yoursoul art.
Jocelyn Bates (11:27):
Oh yeah.
So soul art is something I knewabout when I got, when I
graduated college as anexpressive art therapist, or it
was like a few years after Iknew about it and I was like you
know what, I'm working too hard, I don't have time to go to
more classes because it's awhole certification project,
like, and I'm actually currentlyin my third of four
certifications for it.
And I decided after I wentthrough all of my kind of a lot
(11:49):
of my healing and I had beenthrough human design and I had
been, I'd gotten trained in theAkashic Records, and then I was,
I hit my wall.
I had to go to Yoga Nidra and Igot trained there because that
saved my life physically, like Ifinally could sleep again and
my anxiety began to justdissipate.
I was like I need the nextthing because I almost got
addicted to like oh, I learnedthis, I have that certification
(12:12):
and I am a line.
Rose Wippich (12:13):
It's the Aquarian, but it's the Aquarian in you as
well, yeah.
Jocelyn Bates (12:16):
Yeah.
Rose Wippich (12:17):
I'm like okay what's next?
Jocelyn Bates (12:18):
What's?
next and then I was like oh,soul art, I've been wanting to
do this for like 25 years, youknow.
So I reached out and I startedthat journey.
And soul art is it uses a lotof the same tools as expressive
art therapy, but I would say thedifference and I think I've
said this on a few podcasts I'vetalked on is like the idea that
expressive art therapy is likewriting on lined paper with a
(12:42):
pen and working in soul art islike having an infinite amount
of markers in a room with whitewalls you know what I'm saying?
Like it's just there's becauseit brings in the soul, the
spirit, the you know highestlined energy, because it's all
coming from you.
There's no therapist to bounceanything off of.
You're actually bouncing it offof your own creative expression
and your own energy and soul,and even if someone's guiding
(13:05):
you, they're just.
They're just doing a little bitof like witnessing and
reflecting for you.
So it's just a really cooljourney.
And soul art is like.
So we work with Janet and shedoes these journeys.
Soul art is very similar becauseyou create an intention and
when you create that intention,like a little piece of who you
are, your energy goes into thatand it journeys with you the
(13:28):
whole time, so that and that.
So you have that intention andthen you create a framework and
that framework is maybe a bodymap or an energy map, or you
might literally outline yourbody right, or you might outline
a body part right.
You don't have to have like 10foot paper, like I do, you could
do it just to hand outline abody part right.
You don't have to have like 10foot paper, like I do, you could
(13:48):
do it just to hand.
You have like 10, 10 foot paper.
Yeah, yeah, I work on like big,huge paper and and so then you
do the body, you kind of createa framework and your body map,
and then you open a creativitydoor into creative expression,
where you let go of everythingyou did previously and just play
on a page like you're playingon your framework, and after
that you converse and dialogueand gain insights from your
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creative expression and then youcreate a spirit action, and
that spirit action has an endingtime.
So, like right now I'm workinga spirit action, that is, I'm
supposed to be writing thefictional story of who I am as a
medicine woman and then thelast two minutes of that five
minute time I'm supposed to letmy little wise elder go in and
find the visions in my fiction.
(14:30):
That's what that's like, myspirit action for five days and
it's over on June 27th at 10 am,and at that point my energy
will come back to me and we'llbegin the next journey, right?
Rose Wippich (14:41):
So this is a framework that is created by you
and you guide people throughthis, or is this a framework
that develops out of theirinitial intention and soul
journey, like, like you know, doyou have a because I'm very
kind of literal like, okay, doyou have a book with, like you
know, here's like step one, steptwo, step three, and this is
what I need to do, or does ittrend or does it form as you're
going through the process?
Jocelyn Bates (15:02):
So it can be as narrow and, like you know,
really monitored right in thelines as you want it to be, or
it can be really, really open.
So soul art was begun by LauraHullick years ago and so she
runs this program that's why.
So she kind of gives you thisframework to begin with, and
(15:24):
these three stages are in order.
So you start with intention,then you create a framework and
you could do it however you'dlike.
You open a creativity door,which could be anything as
simple as writing or doing acollage, or picking a card or
reading a story, and then youjust play on whatever you're
going to work on.
Maybe it's like a big piece ofpaper, maybe it's a small eight
(15:44):
by 11 piece of lined paper right, it doesn't matter.
And then at the end of thatexpression, you find the
insights in it and then youcreate the spirit action, and
your spirit action is kind ofit's inspired from your insight.
So you take the insight thathits you the deepest and I'll
tell you something insights insoul art.
There's something special aboutit, because what you realize
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when you're going through theinsight piece of it is that you
realize it's all your soultalking and this was in you all
along.
There comes a confidence and acourageousness with each insight
that you get in, a soul art,because it's all you and you're
like, wow, I have the power nowto answer anything I need to
answer, and it's very empowering.
(16:29):
And once you find the insightI'll have.
Sometimes I'll have tons ofinsights.
I'll have like a list ofinsights, sometimes it's one or
two.
But once you find the insightthat's connected to you, then
you create a really tangible,doable spirit action.
It could be simple, it could belike I'm going to meditate for
one day, maybe not a full day.
I'm going to meditate for 20minutes today and that's the end
(16:49):
of your spirit action.
But it should have something todo with your insight.
Yeah, so it's a journey.
It takes anywhere from like twoand a half to three hours to
going.
You know you could make ajourney as long as you want, as
long as you want to keep yourcreative expression open until
you find the ending point of it.
But but yeah, and there's allkinds of soul art journeys you
(17:10):
can go on Like.
So I am certified in bodymapping journey and energy
mapping journeys, but right nowI'm getting very close to the
end of a creation journey.
So I'll be certified increation journeys, probably by
mid July.
And then there's shamanjourneys and within each of
these there's journeys to findyour soul star, your earth star,
(17:31):
right.
There's so many differentjourneys.
You can go on and it's justamazing.
Just yesterday I finished ajourney of the union of my inner
child and my wise elder and itwas super fascinating.
Rose Wippich (17:45):
And that just comes to you right.
Jocelyn Bates (17:48):
Well, these are the pieces I'm going through in
the certification process.
So, because I'll be runningthese journeys, I have to go
like every little piece.
I go on a full journey of Right.
So, like, whereas I might berunning an energy mapping
journey with someone and ittakes, it uses the soul star and
the earth star and the corestar and the spirit realm and
(18:08):
the earth realm, I haveliterally done a soul art
journey for every one of thoselittle things.
So I've done, I've done a lot,and then as you begin to get
further in your intentions, likeas you begin to understand how
to create an intention and howto really jump into an intention
which is a beautiful thing topractice and to know and how to
(18:30):
really get the juiciest and bestintentions, once you do that,
your journey could really go inmany different places.
You know, it doesn't have to bevisual art.
I've done video, I've donephotography, I've done sewing,
I've done dance, you know.
So it doesn't have to be visualart.
I've done video, I've donephotography, I've done sewing,
I've done dance, you know.
So it doesn't have to stay onthe page.
It's just the easiest way Ithink people for to begin to
(18:52):
understand the process.
Rose Wippich (18:53):
Right, wow, that's , it's really amazing.
And so so people that come toyou and want to explore this
where do you see that they haveblocks?
Do they do they like?
Are they uncomfortable withdoing something like this?
Because it's different, likeit's not like?
Okay, give me a, give me ajournal prompt and let me write
in my journal.
You know this is totallydifferent, like I can see, like
(19:14):
people just like sticking theirfeet and painting, walking on
the tap, on the, on the canvasor something like like it's real
different.
I've done that.
Jocelyn Bates (19:25):
I know I have a feeling you did, I could see
myself doing that too.
Rose Wippich (19:28):
But you know, I could sense like, okay, like
it's something that is maybe outof somebody's comfort zone.
Jocelyn Bates (19:34):
Oh, for sure.
But I'll tell you what as wehead towards 2027, as we head
towards some major paradigmshifts, like, as we head that
way, creativity is going to beso important and unfortunately,
we all come from a public schoolsystem that has killed a lot of
our creativity, that hasoffered us many external rules,
(19:57):
many internal critics who havetold us yes and no, right and
wrong, good and bad They've been.
It's our entire life, right,like we are often cut down from
critical thinking.
We're cut down from beingcurious about certain things.
We're shot down in a lot ofdifferent ways and so, yeah, so
many adults have a hard timewith it.
Like I just ran an insight timertoday on soul art.
(20:19):
I had, like I had so manypeople, and many people in the
beginning were like I can't dothis, I can't do this, this is
not me, I'm not creative.
Right, they're writing in bythe end of the class, of just
talking about it.
They were all like I'm in, I'mon fire.
I feel it Like there'sinspiration, because they just
have to realize this is not them.
We are innately creative.
It is our birthright to becreative.
(20:40):
We are a hundred.
I mean.
We are human beings, we aresouls living in human bodies,
and creativity is how we connectto the soul, like creativity,
whether it be literally paintingor creativity.
Sometimes we connect throughour souls, through a really good
conversation, and that'screative.
Even food, food, rocks,gardening, anything like even
finance can be creative.
If you know you really who theheck came up with those
(21:03):
financial stock graphs and stuff.
Whoever that was, that wascreative.
There's like candles that aregreen and red and it's
everywhere yeah, that's, that'samazing yeah I, it's, it's, it's
, uh, I want, I want to talkabout all right.
Rose Wippich (21:20):
So so you mentioned 2027.
Now, I wasn't aware of thisparadigm shift and I need you to
talk about it because youmentioned it.
So there's the gateway right tothat conversation.
Let everyone know, because Iknow people are curious and you
want people to be curious.
What is that?
Jocelyn Bates (21:37):
In human design, it's the paradigm shift.
It's when, in human design, inFebruary of 2027, we're shifting
from the gate of planning tothe gate of the sleeping Phoenix
.
Three the gate of the sleepingPhoenix Sorry, my daughter is
the gate of the sleeping Phoenix.
Yeah, gate of the sleepingPhoenix.
(21:57):
And so the significance of thisis that it hasn't actually the
gate hasn't changed since theearly 1600s.
We have been in the gate ofplanning since the early 1600s.
We have been in the gate ofplanning since the early 1600s.
That's just crazy that thishasn't shifted right and it's
really we've been in the notself of it.
We've been in like it's.
The beautiful part of the gateof planning is we take care of
other people, right, you know.
(22:18):
But uh, and so that's wherethings like banking and school
system I don't know if bankingever started that way, but the
school system, the school systemthe medical environment.
Rose Wippich (22:30):
Right.
Jocelyn Bates (22:31):
Yeah, but you see how it's turned to the not self
, it's all for, it's all forpersonal profit.
For you know it really doesn'thelp anybody in the end.
Right, you know you look at yeah, you look like like at a
program where they send food to,like what they would call maybe
a third world country, right,like, and we have them now
dependent on food that isprobably hurting them, sending
them vaccines that are probablykilling them, and we don't even
(22:52):
see the actual there's no,there's no connection.
We're not seeing what'shappening.
We're not building the empathy.
It's.
It doesn't work.
We need to love our neighbors,right?
So so, yeah, so this we've beenin the gate of planning, in the
not self of gate of planningfor quite some time, and in
February of 2027, we are goingto shift to the gate of the
sleeping phoenix, which is allabout taking care of yourself
(23:16):
and intimacy with people, notlike literal, like physical
intimacy, physical intimacy ofthe cross, but really having
intimate relationships, intimateconversations with people who
are around you, who are near you, with your family, actually
knowing people, right, and, andso in February, that vibration
of the gate of planning, wherewe want to take care of everyone
(23:38):
else, just shuts off like that,and the gate of the sleeping
phoenix goes on like that, andso it's a paradigm shift.
It's not going to happen all atonce.
Paradigm shift.
It's not going to happen all atonce, like nothing.
Everything's not going tocrumble all at once, but you do
see what they say.
We're midwifing it right now,and you can see it in how the
school systems are rocking alittle bit.
They're like they're.
They're having a little bit oftheir own earthquake with all
(24:00):
the stuff going on in theclassrooms, with the bullying,
with all of the parents andwhat's being taught.
There's so much questioninggoing on the banking system.
I don't know what, I don't knowwhen that's going to fall, but
eventually that has to fallsomehow.
The corporations, you read allof this is like the gate of the,
the gate of planning, havingthis, this, like you know, we're
midwifing it.
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It's having contractions andit's not working.
So where we live in, you know avery centralized place right
now.
You know we have to rely onpeople in China for medication
or people in India, for, youknow, whatever it is, they're
not our neighbors.
We're going to go to a placewhere we have to start relying
on our neighbors, where we'redecentralized.
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So if you think of, like, thegate of planning is
centralization, the gate ofSleeping Phoenix is like
decentralization, and so there'sa lot of change that's going to
shift.
It's going to happen over years, though, but that vibration
will be immediately gone.
So I, like my teacher likes tosay, she goes don't worry about
it, it's just going to be your.
You know like how right.
Even think about sexualityright now.
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Everyone gets put in theseboxes.
There's very many boxes, right,and you can't just be gay or a
lesbian.
There's like 15,000 boxes.
It feels like out there, right,and that's very gate of
planning.
When we get into the gate ofthe sleeping phoenix, it's like
I just love another human.
I just love this human right,that's where we're going, so
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it's actually super beautiful.
And then she goes.
She tells you how beautiful shegoes.
Of course, people are going todie, a lot of people are going
to die, but they're like whatyou know?
But it's you know, there is.
There has to be a breakdown ofwhat was built up.
So that's the pirate.
That's the paradigm shift.
There's a lot, and I don'tthink it's going to happen all
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at once.
I don't expect a big doomsday.
That's the paradigm shift.
There's a lot, and I don'tthink it's going to happen all
at once.
I don't expect a big doomsday,but I do expect a shift in how
we relate to each other, how werelate to the systems that
provide for us and how we relateto ourselves.
What's going to be importantare the people in your community
and like really being a part ofthat.
And so it'll be.
It'll be interesting, yeah,because right now, like, there's
a lot of people who don't havea local community because their
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community is online across theworld, so you know which?
Rose Wippich (26:09):
is good too, because they're creating more
global communities.
I'm not saying that's bad, I'mjust saying that we're isolating
ourselves in our home wherewe're not having like kind of
like one on one flesh to fleshconversations, you know, like
like a hug.
Like a hug, oh my gosh, I wenton a Reiki retreat over the
weekend and up at Omega, whichis close by with, with people
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there that have whole wonderfulReiki energy and we were hugging
.
I mean like we must've allhugged each other like a million
times.
It just felt so good to do that, yeah.
Jocelyn Bates (26:41):
You know, it's awesome.
Rose Wippich (26:43):
Yeah, yeah, hugs are great.
Jocelyn Bates (26:47):
That's going to come back.
I mean, mean, I just I feellike we are being pushed to the
limit and as we midwife things,people are going to be grabbing
for things, trying to controlthings that might be, in the end
, uncontrollable.
So you know, I'm not worriedabout it, I'm not scared about
it, I think it should be.
You know, as long as you, inhuman design, you have a
strategy and authority, and aslong as you follow your strategy
and authority, you'll be justfine.
Talk about human design.
Rose Wippich (27:09):
I think that's important, maybe to segue.
I don't want to interrupt you,I'm so sorry.
Jocelyn Bates (27:13):
Well, I was just going to say in other.
You know, just like inastrology, like following your
instincts or you know, howeveryou look at it, but human design
has a strategy.
So if you go and find your freechart you can go anywhere and
find a free chart You'll look ata body.
It'll show you a body graph andit'll show you two columns of
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gates and planets and on, likethe one side of it, you'll see,
like your profile, your type,your strategy, your authority,
it's right there, it'll be flatout for you.
And your strategy, yourauthority, it's right there,
it'll be flat out for you.
Right, and you're a strategyauthority.
Really, take into account yourtype and and and your body graph
.
So, like my strategy authorityis I'm a pure generator.
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That's my type.
And because I'm a puregenerator, my strategy and
authority are to, um, to respond, to respond to things.
And's sacral, so it's a sacralresponse.
And in of that, I know that ifI'm frustrated, I haven't
followed my strategy andauthority.
Frustration is the key to letme know that I'm not.
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It's not anger, it's notsadness, only when I'm it's a
very specific kind For me.
It's a very specific feelinglike ah, but you know it's a
frustration.
So for me, and if you are orsomebody else is a pure
generator, you can practice yourresponse by simply doing sacral
sessions, like asking people inyour house I forget, were you a
generator?
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You're not a generator.
Rose Wippich (28:41):
I'm a projector Projector Quad left projector.
Jocelyn Bates (28:44):
So you're not a sacral, I'm splenic, yes.
Oh well, that's very intuitive.
That's needing to follow theinstinct immediately.
Rose Wippich (28:53):
Yeah, since I was a child, I was very intuitive.
Jocelyn Bates (28:57):
That's the knowing.
So, whereas you're a splenicauthority, right, you just know
and go right, you just know andgo, you have to pay attention.
And you just know and go, right, you just know, you have to pay
attention.
And when you don't listen, itkind of back back like back up.
You don't want to do that.
So, but for for peer generators, we have to have a vocal
response, a yes or no.
Uh, huh, yep, nope, it's asacral response.
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We're responding to something.
Your splenic authority may notneed to respond to anything, you
just might have it.
I have to be responding tosomething.
And so when I was first workingwith my strategy and authority,
I had my husband ask every dayI'd have him ask me yes or no
questions and I like uh-huh,uh-uh, because it feels very
guttural.
Some people like yep, nope,doesn't matter.
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But he'd ask me things like areyou wearing a shirt today?
Are you wearing a shirt today?
Are you wearing a skirt?
Is it rainy out?
Is it summer?
Is it your birthday?
Do you like pizza?
Do you like the color red?
And just like constant, likethat.
And I'd be like uh-huh, wow.
And after a while, and thenhe'd throw in things like do you
really want to do that class?
And I'd be like uh-uh, and Iwas like oh, I don't want to do
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it.
Rose Wippich (30:03):
So your answer came from that literal response.
Yes, it was almost your innate,your intuitive answer.
Not your, not your head.
It goes from your sacral, notyour head.
I'm pointing to my head.
Jocelyn Bates (30:17):
Yeah, ah, interesting.
And so you start with the voiceand then you can start to feel,
when someone asks you aquestion, the response, but
whereas your splenic also knowsyou don't need to respond in the
same way, so you don't need tobe asked a question, I need to
be asked a question.
When I first found out aboutthis, I was so funny.
I was like this huge aha,because my husband would always
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say to me we'd go on a datenight and he'd be like, what do
you want to eat?
And I'd be like, and I'd startto get frustrated, like, why is
he asking me what I want to eat?
He's the man, he's the husband.
You should take me where I wantto go.
You should know what I want toeat, you know.
Rose Wippich (30:51):
Make a decision.
Jocelyn Bates (30:52):
Right, right, but and it was frustration first
key need to respond, right.
So when I first learned this,every time we would go on a date
night I'd be like don't ask me,what, do I want this, do I want
that?
And he would start do you wantsushi, do you want pizza, do you
want?
And it made every date night somuch easier.
I didn't hit the point offrustration.
We would figure it out inalmost a minute.
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We would be there, we'd have agreat time.
Inevitably, we'd meet, becausewhen you follow your set, your
strategy and authority, you meetpeople that are interesting to
you.
You start to find opportunities.
It's really great conversations.
So, but that's a.
That's a generator, puregenerator.
It's not for everybody Like.
So my husband's an emotional,he's an emotional authority, so
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he needs to kind of sit on it.
He emotional authority, needsto give.
They ride an emotional wave allthe time so he needs to
sometimes like sleep on it.
And whenever he's feeling likethe wave is kind of right in the
center, that's when I can askhim yes and no questions, right?
So that's like an emotionalauthority.
Rose Wippich (31:55):
Wow, it's important to well.
This is a new concept for me.
I just recently came acrosshuman design.
I wish I'd known about itsooner, although it's only been
around since the 80s I believe,but it's just really interesting
.
It helps you to understandsomeone a little better, more
than just you know, I don't know.
It just helps you understandyourself better.
Jocelyn Bates (32:17):
It helps you understand yourself in a
relationship.
I find that to be the superhelpful to me, because not only
do you have your strategy andauthority, you have a profile
which is like a line, a dash,and a line like I'm a four one,
and that's an opportunisticinvestigator, right?
So there's, and there's only,like, I think, 12 or 13 profiles
in total, and then you havethese centers, which is also
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it's, it's astrology, I Ching,kabbalah, numerology, all kind
of mixed into one, and so youhave the chakra system, but you
have nine chakras instead ofseven, and each chakra center is
connected to a certain kind ofenergy that we have.
So, like you have either anundefined or defined energy
center.
So I have, like, the solarplexus, which is connected to
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the feelings in the human designchart, right, how it's the do.
I have constant connection to myfeelings and I have an
undefined solar plexus.
So I do not have a constancy atall to my emotions.
I don't.
I just I'm undefined there.
My husband, however, is he'sdefined.
He has you know what he'sfeeling any time of the day, and
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when he walks in, I have threeundefined solar plexuses in my
house.
We'll all start to.
If he is angry, we'll all startto get like you pick it up.
Yeah, we pick it up.
We magnify it and like or ifhe's happy, we might all get
happy, like we're all like.
I have one kid who's definedand she'll.
She's her own because she'sdefined in the solar plexus, and
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so she's her own because she'sdefined in the solar plexus and
so she's always got her ownconstancy of emotion.
So if I had known this when Iwas a teenager man, would I have
been able to change some things, because I was in an abusive
relationship in teenage yearsand I took on all of his
emotions.
If I had known I didn't have aconstant energy to my emotions
or to my emotional center, likeI would have known that it
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wasn't mine, that I'm pickingthis up from someone else, what
an ugly hatred.
And instead I was like oh I, Ihated myself.
That ugly you know so like itcan see how you, how you relate
in relationship to other people.
It's super helpful.
Rose Wippich (34:24):
You're lucky, though.
Your husband is open tounderstanding all of this.
Some won't.
So they'd be like what are youtalking about?
Well, just just you know, andand so.
So, yeah, you're so, you're,you're lucky.
I think that's.
That's, that's great Wishingall men would be open to
understanding more aboutthemselves.
Go ahead.
Jocelyn Bates (34:50):
Yeah, and even if you have, like, a husband who
doesn't right, so here's a,here's like one of the things I
do, because I know he's anemotional authority.
He doesn't need to know I'mdoing anything Right.
And so when I need an answerfrom him and I need an answer
pretty quickly and I can't waitover the night for him and it's
an, he has an emotional response.
I'm like what I do say to get ahint is I'm wondering how you
feel about, and that will openup the conversation.
And then I can turn it into ayes, no, he doesn't even know I
do it, he doesn't know I do it.
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So, like you can, actually, ifyou understand the chart of your
husband, you can begin to just,you don't even need him to take
part.
You just start to understand ohmy God, he has an undefined you
know, maybe he has an undefinedwill or an undefined identity
center.
And now you understand oh myGod, that's why he's so
different around his friends andhis family and me and the kids,
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because he's able to shiftidentity with how it needs to be
seen Right.
So you just get to start tounderstand things that you might
have thought were your own tobegin with.
Rose Wippich (35:49):
That makes sense.
It makes sense.
Yes, I think this concept is alittle new for a lot of people.
I know you help people withthis because you do this work
for people, and I think thatI've spoken to you.
I think I need you to help mewith identifying me so that I
can, you know, not waste my timein certain things or certain
areas, or be certain ways, andknow how to respond according to
my own chart.
Jocelyn Bates (36:09):
Yeah, yeah, it's important to know your strategy
and authority and a lot ofpeople in human design like to
know how to follow your strategyand authority.
That will lead you intodeconditioning.
So, like in human design wetalk about, we're conditioned by
society, by family, by culture,by government, like we're
conditioned all over the place,right, we're told all of these
things and it's important todecondition.
(36:30):
And a deconditioning journeycan take a while, but if you
follow your strategy andauthority it can really lead you
into that deconditioning pathin a really easy way.
Yeah, so, knowing just reallyknowing how to use the simplest
pieces of human design because,like I can do larger, bigger
charts, because it talks aboutgates and channels and all kinds
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of stuff like planetary thingsI do gene keys, right, like I do
all that.
But what I find helps people themost is just understanding the
basics, like understanding whatthey have access to
energetically, what they don't,and how to follow their strategy
and authority and some of thethe like bigger themes in there.
Because if you give someone Ithink I was telling you this
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last time if you give someonetoo much, too much information,
it's like they go for the stuffthat's juicy, but that's not
necessarily that, the thingsthat like I love having in
astrology my Venus and Pisces,I'm like I'm such a poet, like I
love it, but that's not helpingme as much as other things in
my astrology chart Right, right,right, right.
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So like I find that if they, ifpeople, can really get a grasp
of some of the simpler pieces totheir chart and have someone
kind of reflect it back for themso they can understand it, then
it really opens up a door to godeep into human design if they
want to.
But to know those things first.
Rose Wippich (37:53):
Yeah, I found out as a projector that I need to
wait for the invitation.
And now anybody that knows me,I'm like a go-getter.
I'm like I'm out there andtrying to make it happen, and
you know, and then I'm likego-getter, I'm like I'm out
there and trying to make ithappen and then I'm like it's
really hard for me, so thatdeconditioning it may take a
while and I don't really havelike I'm not that patient, but
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yeah, so if I wait for theinvitation, it doesn't mean I'm
just going to sit around here atmy desk just waiting for
someone to pick up the phone.
There's still things I can do.
It's just that I won't.
I'm not going against my design.
Yeah, and that'll open up moreopportunities for me.
Jocelyn Bates (38:32):
Yeah, and like knowing if you're a wait for an
invitation person, you have toput yourself in places to get
invitations.
If you're a wait for invitationperson and you're a work at
home, don't talk to anybody elseand you're like you're not
going to get that manyinvitations, you have to place
yourself in an environment whereyou're going to get the
invitations that you want.
So you still have a little bitof like.
You still have a little bit oflike power and say in that, but
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also like projector, you need tonap, you need to take a break.
You should only work two tothree hours a day, which is down
insane to most people.
That's part of the conditioningright there.
Rose Wippich (39:05):
Forget it.
Yeah, no, that's really superhard, but I'm trying.
Jocelyn Bates (39:13):
You know, I'm learning yeah so it's
interesting too with theprojectors.
Uh, I was just reading, I'm soI'm not.
I I don't have many.
I know very like I love I havemanaging manifesting generators
and generators in my familyright and manifestor, that's
who's in my house we have somuch energy, oh my god.
Um, and I was just readingabout projectors and because I
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like to like kind of, I'm aresearcher, we're talking about
it before it's my line one inhuman design or my Aquarius that
likes to like give me the nextthing, give me the next thing,
give me the next thing.
And I was just jumping likereal deep dive into projector
and it's this idea that, likethey, as a projector, you almost
can, you can lead someoneeffortlessly to their strategy
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and authority.
It's super cool, it's likeeffortless leading because you
sense it, but it's also it's notlike for a wide group of people
, it's like one or two at a timeand it's like it's focused.
So it's interesting so.
Rose Wippich (40:18):
I you'll hear me say on a lot of the podcast
episodes that one of the reasonsI'm doing this is to support my
guests, because I really wantto help people and see them
succeed, and I didn't know thatabout a projector and as you say
this yeah, that's whatprojectors do.
It makes sense to me, totalsense.
Jocelyn Bates (40:38):
A lot of projectors have been placed in
the world of generators, wherethey are on nine to five jobs,
and it is hard for a projectorto do that and they get stuck
and that's where theconditioning comes in, and so
they're like, yeah, but I haveto work to make this money to do
that.
But projectors can have veryabundant lifestyles.
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They're just not using theirenergy correctly, right.
But projectors can have veryabundant lifestyles.
They're just not using theirenergy correctly, right.
Like often, every businessneeds a projector and they don't
need to be there all the time.
They just need to be there fora certain amount of hours to
witness, to see, to be part of,and they can absolutely guide
that business to its pinnacle.
Rose Wippich (41:16):
Yeah, I used to work in HR with process
improvement and I love that, andconsultant do that, and then I
went home.
That's perfect.
Yeah, I want to learn moreabout that.
We're definitely going toconnect more.
I want to talk about AkashicRecords.
That's another topic that Ihaven't touched yet on my
episode on my podcast, and Iknow you do that for people too.
A lot of people don't know whatthat is.
(41:39):
Can you talk about Akashic?
Jocelyn Bates (41:40):
Yeah, the Akashic records are like a dimension of
pure knowledge and it's goinginto, you know, the soul.
So everyone has an Akashicrecord, every living thing has
an Akashic record, every eventhas an Akashic record.
You can even go into theAkashic records of relationships
, land, homes, right, all ofthese things have Akashic
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records.
But when you go into your ownrecords, it's the knowledge of
your soul from the moment itcame into existence and you have
to kind of wrap your head.
I just did a really big podcaston Akashic records the other
day because I'm like you have toand it's someone who's really
thought linearly and I'm likeyou have to change your mind
over, because I know we think oftime in a linear way present,
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past, future, however you knowand it's like it moves forward,
right.
But in the Akashic records youhave to think of it as like
maybe a tiny marble or crystalball and everything swirling
together at the same time,because it's like there's it's
not linear in the Akashicrecords.
When you go into the's notlinear in the Akashic Records,
when you go into the dimensionof knowledge of the Akashic
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Records, you can go, you canjump anywhere.
You can jump to the past lives,your present life.
You can jump to future lives,you can jump into all kinds of
different places, and so youjust have to you kind of have to
take your mind and just turn itoff for a little while to
consider it to be more of like acrystal or like a marble that's
just spinning.
It's all happening at the sametime so people don't go into the
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records.
You know how people go to atarot card reader and they're
like they want a divinationright.
They want to know when they'regoing to get married.
It says baby's going to workout.
You can't go into the Akashicrecords for timeframes.
It's all happening at the sametime so you can't go in there to
ask that.
But you go into the akashicrecords to learn, to get curious
, to find out, um, how deepsomething runs, to find the root
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of belief systems, to go in andsee what the see, what the
possibilities and future livesare of your gifts and how to
bring them into this life.
Like these are the things thatyou, you would go into the
Akashic records for.
And in the Akashic records youcan.
You can transmute contracts,deals and agreements.
You can transmute beliefsystems.
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You can untether, you can callyour energy back from all your
lifetimes.
You can.
You can retrieve lost souls.
You can do all kinds of stuffall your lifetimes.
You can retrieve lost souls.
You can do all kinds of stuff.
You can connect with your soulteam, with your spirit team,
with your ascending mastersmasters, mentors, guides,
guardians, angels and you canreceive Reiki from your angels
and your spirit team in theAkashic Records as well.
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So anytime that you go into therecords, you are getting an
energetic healing time that yougo into the records, you are
getting an energetic healing andum and everybody has access to
their own akashic recordseverybody.
There was a time when you didnot have access.
None of us had access and itwas given back to us.
The reason it was taken away isbecause people were going into
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other people's records and thatthere's an integrity without
provision.
Rose Wippich (44:39):
Yeah right.
Jocelyn Bates (44:40):
There's an integrity that's needed and you
need to have stated access Like,yes, you're, I want you to go
in here.
I permit you to do this, likewhen I go into people's records,
like I have them stated,because I need to know, and I
won't even have them stated aweek earlier, it'll be right
before I go into their records,because what if they change
their mind?
Right, like I have to.
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I have to make sure that it'slike, it's real and current
before I go in.
And the integrity is I always Irun everything by that person.
I'm not transmitting a contract, I'm not transmitting a belief
system, I'm not changing a pastlife unless I know they're there
and they're recreating it withme.
So that's why the access to theAkashic Records was denied
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everyone for quite some time,right, yeah.
Rose Wippich (45:25):
So you do readings for people, so someone will
come to you and say I'm havingproblems or give me an example
of what have some of thestruggles.
People have that and they'recoming to you with help for help
with the Akashic Records, usingthe Akashic Records.
Jocelyn Bates (45:42):
I've had people come to me for lots of different
things from their businessbecause you can go into the
Akashic Records of a businessand I've gone into the Akashic
Records and designed the logosand stuff for businesses just
from things I'm seeing in theAkashic Records from colors,
words, all that kind of stufffor a business which is really
fun work to do.
(46:02):
And I've also gone in forpeople who have lost people.
It's not a medium, I'm notgoing in to read things, but to
connect back to people who aregone and like if there were
other lives they were in.
What kind of lessons?
How can I move through this?
How can we heal through this?
Where else have you had grief?
What are the belief systemsthat are beginning to seed from
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this grief?
And I've gone in and done thatwork.
I've also gone in for peoplewho are having, like you know,
even marital problems.
My favorite place to go into therecords is for people who are
women, who are Gen X, becausethis is, I am a woman who's Gen
X and I'm 47 now and I'm goingthrough major changes all over
the place, right, and this Gen Xkind of where we are now.
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It's so full of lifetransitions, it is so ripe the
territory to really make changeand to really get into who we
are that when you go into therecords it's like a limitless
possibility.
I feel like, as a woman at thisage, to go in and begin to work
in the records.
So yeah, to make your life whatyou want it to be, to figure
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out what you want, to figure outwhat you're here for you know,
Wow, and you're starting to runwomen's circles too right you
really want to work.
Rose Wippich (47:18):
You work with women.
Jocelyn Bates (47:20):
I do work with women.
Divine and goddess energy.
Yeah, yeah, you're starting tohave these circles, right, and
what do you do in your women'scircles?
Some of the women can't make it, so I'm like, oh, maybe I
should just like hold off to thenext day.
I can't, I should listen to mystrategy and authority.
(47:42):
You should, you should, yeah,yes, absolutely.
Rose Wippich (47:44):
What is your intention behind the women's
circles, your women's circles?
Jocelyn Bates (47:48):
Yeah, I want to connect women to each other.
I feel like at this age I needto connect to women.
They were like.
They were like the moms that mykids liked, their kids.
They weren't like the moms, butthey weren't my friends, you
know.
So I wanted to connect back towomen who I connect with, and I
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also wanted to bring soul artand intention.
There was something I wanted todo a while back, which was
create an intention-basedsubscription box, but it seemed
like such a big deal and I waslike I'd rather just I'd rather
be connected with people.
So my intention is to do it asa new moon and to create a new
moon intention each month and tofollow that intention and
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support each other through thatintention.
So, like this last Women'sCircle, we worked with soul art
and we did a mini soul artjourney and I walked everyone
through a live yoga nidra first.
So we went through a live yoganidra and really went into the
subtle selves and like, justrelaxed totally, to find the
sankalpa and the intention.
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And then we kind of I've beensupporting, we've been
supporting each other throughthe month of that intention.
Rose Wippich (49:02):
Oh, I love that yeah.
Jocelyn Bates (49:04):
So it's kind of where I'm at right now.
Rose Wippich (49:06):
Just the yoga nidra alone is yummy.
I mean I'm surprised anyone wasable to do anything after a
yoga nidra.
Jocelyn Bates (49:12):
Oh well, you'd be surprised.
Like right before I came onhere, I just did a 40-minute
yoga nidra.
I always feel so awakeafterwards.
Rose Wippich (49:19):
Well, yeah, it does.
It does energize you.
They say it is.
You know it's what?
Half an hour, right, but you'realmost sleeping for three hours
, something like that.
Three to four hours.
Three to four hours, yeah,because your brainwaves.
Jocelyn Bates (49:33):
The brainwaves move through the subtle selves
and so, as you do a yoga nidrayeah, you could do like a 30,
40-minute yoga nidra and I feellike I've had a three to four
hour nap and you have on theinside timer, people can find
you.
Rose Wippich (49:47):
Yeah, I'm going to look for you and people.
We have to put those links inthe show notes.
Jocelyn Bates (49:52):
Yeah, I'll send all those to you.
Rose Wippich (49:54):
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, as an Aquarian, Iknow you're an air sign, like me
, and we're all over thefreaking place.
What keeps you grounded?
What?
What stops you from like beingall over the place and getting
distracted, wanting to do this,want to do everything, like,
what?
What kind of like brings youback down where you can just
like, oh, that's interestingbecause I feel like I as so in
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human design.
Jocelyn Bates (50:17):
Like this is my human design profile four one
quad, right gate of fantasy,juxtaposition of fantasy and the
gate of fantasy is my fixedfate.
Like I am meant to follow theflow at all times, like I'm not
meant to have any schedulewhatsoever.
It is so hard.
It is so hard.
But when I find that I followthe flow and I listen to the
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moments in front of me, thatgrounds me, even though it's
totally not grounding.
It's not like like when I havesomething that's every day, like
I have a cup of coffee in themorning.
It doesn't always feelgrounding to me, unless it's
like calling to me that day.
And so, like I, nothingactually ever works all the time
for me.
I, oh, I do find, though, um,writing and art to be.
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You know, if I was to say onething that I find and I'm, I'm,
I'm called to almost all thetime anyways, it's almost always
my flow to go there um iswriting and and art.
Rose Wippich (51:15):
Um, is there anything you want to talk about
that we haven't talked aboutthat you want to share, about
anything you do?
Jocelyn Bates (51:25):
You know, I, I like I.
You know, I think you had saidearlier, I'm like, what I do is
I'm a cultivator of curiosityand creativity in the human
experiment and I've really beenfocusing on this idea that we
are a soul in a human skin, in ahuman body and you know, just
speaking to the Akashic recordsfor a minute, minute, before our
soul incarnates into a humanlife, uh, we know everything.
We are light beings.
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We are, you know, people thatsay people, we're souls, that we
don't have any questions.
And I, I believe we incarnateinto this human life to feel,
and so I have to.
I remind myself constantlylately to like I'm here to feel
so, and so I have to.
I remind myself constantlylately to like I'm here to feel.
So, if I consistently try toavoid feeling, what am I doing
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to my soul here, first of all?
Second of all, it's okay tofeel.
I'm here to feel.
If it doesn't feel good, it'san experiment.
I constantly use that wordexperiment with myself.
I'm experimenting.
If I don't like how I feel, likeif I'm feeling really sad,
instead of like getting scaredof that sad feeling, I'm going
to get curious.
Okay, how does this feeldifferent in my fingertips, like
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, how does it feel different?
Okay, how might I move this?
How could I breathe into this alittle differently?
How could I?
If this was like a photograph?
Would it be a Polaroid or wouldit be a digital photograph Like
?
These are weird things that gothrough my mind.
But like the, what it does isit allows me to be present in
the human experience and youknow.
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And so the idea of being curiousand being creative at all times
and honing those two things and, top of it, like so you hone
your curiosity and yourcreativity, and then you just
realize that both live withinthe body.
Your body is the instrument ofboth.
So you respect your body, youhonor your body or you use your
body to gain insight into yourcuriosity and creativity.
It's the three.
The three together make up thewhole thing for me.
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And that's what I do for people.
I help them get into their body, I help them learn how to be
curious, how to widen their lens, how to open up and how to
express and let their soulexpress through them.
And in the end, I don't go.
I don't try to heal anybody.
I don't try to.
I try to help them, guide themto heal themselves.
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It's not my job, it's theirexperiment.
They should be doing it.
They should get curious andcreative and I want to watch it.
I want to be on the sidelines,like, yeah, I want to be on the
sidelines Like, yeah, I lovethat.
Like you know I'm not here tokill them and so, but I do, I
know I'm here to help walkpeople into that process, but
yeah, so that's kind of what Ido and I love it, I love it.
Rose Wippich (53:54):
Yeah, it's wonderful, I feel the same way
People.
People have the ability to healthemselves, and that's what we
learned in our class, too, withJanet have the ability to heal
themselves, and that's what welearned in our class, too, with
Janet.
So, yes, here, here, you do somuch and you know you.
You have so many tools that youcan guide people with and I
just love it and I and I justwant to thank you for being here
on the show and I'm getting toknow you more and more and
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connecting with you.
It's so great.
You live so close and I want toyou know, be more in your space
and learn more from you and andbe guided by you as well.
So I'm going to put everythingin the show notes, of course, Um
, so people can find you andalso share in your contagious
wonderful energy.
Jocelyn Bates (54:38):
Yeah, yeah, I love and I'm so thank you for
having me, cause I love justtalking about it.
And I think you're fantastic themore that we, the more that we
talk and the more that we makeit relatable and the more that,
like, people understand likewe're all in it to be curious
and creative and to feel throughlike that's it, that's what
we're here to do, the morepeople that see that other
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people are doing it and theyalso hit roadblocks and they
also have all this stuff and,wow, that person's gone through
grief and how did they do it?
I'm going to get curious andcreative over there and you know
, like, the more that it becomespart of life, the more that
we're going to, especially in2027, into the paradigm shift.
That's how we're going to makeit like.
Rose Wippich (55:17):
That's how we're going to do it yeah, so we need
to start the work now and beingexpressive through art and
through voice.
That's how we heal, because Ithink personally, a lot of women
have a lot of blocks in the waythey express themselves or not
expressing themselves at all atall because they may feel that
no one wants to hear them.
I know personally, like I'll belike no one wants to hear my
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story, like, but yeah, mystories or stories heal, or our
expression or expressive stories, whatever that is, it heals can
heal yourself and others.
Jocelyn Bates (55:54):
Well, there was that.
There was that interesting.
I saw a meme on some socialmedia that it was like an
article on social media or avideo, and it was like one of
these young actresses who was ona show and she was crying and
whatever.
I didn't even listen to whatshe was talking about.
She was like openly crying andthe meme said this person is so
amazing, not because she's anactress, because she's the first
woman I've seen cry and notapologize for it.
And I was like hell, yeah, likebecause that's what we did.
(56:18):
We're like.
I mean, I apologize all thetime.
It just comes out, just fliesout.
Oh sorry, I'm crying, but youknow I don't even mean it, it's
not even.
There's nothing attached to the.
Rose Wippich (56:28):
We have to stop doing that OK like women in
general have, because I don'thear men apologizing, it's the
women.
Yes, we need to.
You know, be unapologetic.
Yeah, you know, be unapologetic.
Yeah, not hurtful, we're nothurting other people, we just.
We don't need to apologize foreverything that we do, because
what we do is, there's no reasonto apologize yeah, absolutely
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like, I love that wordunapologetic that was my.
That's my word for the yearwhen.
When I was asked, yeah, my wordfor the year unapologetic I
love it.
Jocelyn Bates (56:59):
It's perfect.
Mine is my for the year, butit's changed recently because I
moved through.
The solar journey was like toI'm rising from the ashes of
expectation into abundantfreedom.
Rose Wippich (57:11):
Oh, I love that.
Jocelyn Bates (57:12):
But, like this idea of I think women have a lot
of expectations on us and oncewe put on ourselves, other
people put us on society, put onus, our kids put on us.
Oh, it's just so many.
We put it on us, we put it onourselves, right?
All these expectations, I'mlike I'm rising from the ashes
of them.
Rose Wippich (57:29):
That's my, that's my theme for this year.
Well, listen, thank you so muchfor your energy and for guiding
women everywhere, and let's gointo 2027 ready with our
strategy and our authorityrising like the Phoenix.
Jocelyn Bates (57:42):
I love it.
Rose Wippich (57:43):
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Today On Chat Off The Mat, Iwelcome Jocelyn Bates.
Jocelyn is a soul artist and asoul art guide.
She's a cultivator of curiosityand creativity in the human
experiment, an Akashic Recordsguide, a Yoga Nidra guide, an
expressive arts therapist, amaster EFT practitioner, a
holistic practitioner.
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She's a teacher, artist, writerand a podcaster.
A mama of three, afour-slash-one-quad-right
generator, a shaman and anAquarian.
Welcome, Jocelyn.
Jocelyn Bates (01:36):
Hello, hello.
Rose Wippich (01:38):
I just want to tell the audience a little bit
about how we've met.
We've met outside of thepodcasting world.
We actually study under thesame shaman teacher, Janet
Straight Arrow, who I'veinterviewed for the show in the
past, so that's how we got toknow each other.
Jocelyn Bates (01:56):
Yeah, yeah, I've known Janet for a long time.
Years ago I had a stillbirthand then I got pregnant right
afterwards and I had so muchanxiety that I went to her to
kind of just make sure that mypregnancy stayed, and and she
was friends with my mom and somy mom had gone to her for a
long time and so I've known.
She married me, she blessed mykids.
Rose Wippich (02:18):
I know Janet is fantastic.
Jocelyn Bates (02:20):
Yeah, she's, she's, great, she's one of a
kind right.
Yeah, yeah, no-transcript.
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Well, you're never done healing.
You know you're always workingthrough this life and so many
things like end up blocking ourenergy in all different ways
that you know we're alwaysworking to clear things and be
our highest version of ourselves, yeah, so we can help others,
right?
Rose Wippich (03:04):
So?
So let's, let's circle back toyou and let's tell, tell the
audience more about yourself andwhat has led you on the path of
to helping others.
Jocelyn Bates (03:14):
Yeah, okay, so I've.
I've always, I've always beenon the path of helping others.
I've always been on thecreative path.
I mean, I was just a, acreative kid that just kind of
grew up and in college I went toschool for expressive art
therapy and intermodal andmental health counseling and so
I ended up.
You know, I actually didn'twant to be a therapist, which is
funny.
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I didn't want to be a therapist, I'd rather have been like a
rebirther.
I would have rather been like ayoga teacher slash rebirther on
the side but I didn't end updoing that and I ended up going
to school and I ended up in thetherapy world and, of course, I
ended up with teenagers, becauseteenagers love me.
I ended up with working withsexual trauma, teenage girls,
and I worked in the juvenilesystem with boys and I've been
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all over the map working in lotsof different places with people
, but more in a therapeutic, ina therapeutic relationship and
in using the arts.
So then I had kids and I was insuch a.
It was, you know, I was dealingwith teenagers and young adults
who had these things happen tothem and it was kind of awful.
And so when I had kids I waslike Ooh, I don't want my kids
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to do anything.
They're never going to date,they're never going to walk
across the street, they're nevergoing to like you know.
So, yeah, yeah, they're nevergoing to drive because, oh my
God, I know, you know, I I justI stopped and I became a
homeschool mom and unschoolingmom and of course, I missed it.
So I kept doing all of my.
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I started running co-ops andteaching classes on out school
and like just doing this stufffrom home so I could be home
with the kids.
And that was well and good andI still felt like I was
contributing to people.
You know, I was really.
I love helping people withcuriosity, because curiosity in
particular and creativitytogether can they're like,
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they're like a magic potion, andso a lot of times when you have
like teenagers who are kind ofon that we get a lot of things
from public school and all ofthese places.
We get a lot of external rulesand ways we're supposed to be,
and yeses and noes and rightsand wrongs and goods and bads,
and when you can kind of breakteenagers of that, it's like
it's like watching a flowerblossom.
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So I just I love that work andthen I was doing that and then
my parents died seven days apart, in 2021.
And I am an only child.
We lived with my parents.
They were like second parentsto my kids and it was totally
unexpected and super traumaticand I ended up in shock for
quite some time.
And, um, and so after that, uh,after I was able to come out of
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the shock, I really needed toheal myself and I knew I had the
beginnings with art therapy,you know, with like expressive
art therapy.
So I had written and drawn allthe way through.
And, um, I started back in withmeditation and I went and get,
I went to the transcendentalmeditation center and got my
mantra for my and I was doingthat two times a day and I was
cold plunging and I was.
I found human design again atthat point and I there were so
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many things I was doing just tobegin to like, I guess, make my
body a safe place to come backto I think that's probably the
best way to put it Like my bodywas not safe to come back into
until I started to find somequiet and some stillness and
some calm.
And in that, all of a sudden, Ireally felt this need to connect
to other realms, otherdimensions, to my parents, to my
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ancestors, and so that journeykept going and, of course, Janet
was there the whole time.
She was probably one of thefirst people.
I think I might've called her afew weeks after my parents died
and I was like Janet, I needhelp.
My parents died and she didn'tknow, and I cause I didn't put
it on, you know, and it was likeit was a pretty intense session
and um and so there was thiscalling to the spiritual world
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happening through this.
You know, I was being visited bymy parents in dreams, I was
smelling them everywhere, mykids were seeing them in the
house.
There was all this crazysynchronicity happening and
there was so much going on thatI knew it wasn't of this world.
So I ended up really justjumping headlong into this
journey that took me from, youknow, TM and cold plunges, to
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human design, to Akashic Records, to Yoga, yoga nidra, to soul
art, and now I offer them all.
It's one of those things Ialways feel like I don't ever
want to offer anything that Ihaven't fully understood and
done myself right or like reallygrasp.
You know like I get it.
You know so, uh, so yeah.
So now I offer that and I feellike having gone through such an
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intense grief and it's still inme, like I still have days
where I'm like I'm not.
You never come back from thatcompletely, but I still have
these days.
But, having gone through griefthe way I did and understanding
now what a portal oftransformation it can be, like
understanding that those moments, those vulnerable, heartbroken
moments, actually do have a hugegift at the other side.
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And seeing how many people aregrieving right now, I feel
called to tell my story, to beout there to help people, to
inspire people to get curiousand creative with their, not
only with, like you know, howthey create or write or perform
on stage, but with their entirelife, like with their spirit,
with who they are, with whatthey want to do.
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So, yeah, I don't know if Ianswered your question.
Rose Wippich (08:30):
Yeah, oh, absolutely no, and I know we
spoke earlier and I didn't.
I didn't know your story butyour parents dying so close
apart during COVID and I knowyou shared more with me and it
was really traumatic and youweren't able to see your mom and
you know there was a lot ofelements there that really added
to this, like I don't know theshock that you experienced.
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And you know I've recently metand have interviewed a lot of
people who have transformedthrough grief and are now
helping others and I think youknow when I was thinking about
this today and I was thinking,well, were there ever like a lot
of grief?
Therapists and counselors youknow way back when I've never
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really heard of them as much asI have now.
I think maybe with all thegrief we've experienced with
COVID, you know that was such abig effect on everyone.
Jocelyn Bates (09:21):
Yeah, and you know, death and and and grief is
taboo it.
You know it's one of thosethings that you know I never
actually sought out a griefcouncil.
Actually, I did seek out an arttherapist at one point and it
was the most terrific experiencethat I'd ever had.
I actually, you know she, sheblamed me for my parents' death
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and then fired me because Iwasn't vaccinated.
Like, talk about being atherapist?
Yeah, really crazy.
So I, you know I and then afterthat you'd be surprised I
couldn't find a grief group thatwas open.
I looked for a grief group fora really long time and couldn't
find one.
The only thing I found weresome Facebook groups and I felt
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like people were on thoseFacebook groups to like I don't
know, vomit out something to.
It wasn't to heal to me.
When I went into those groups Ifelt like there was a lot of
there.
If you were, you know I was inanger, yeah, anger, or
comparison, like oh.
my son.
You don't understand Like therewas a lot of that talk, and so
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I felt it was a bit unhealthyfor me.
There were a few really goodones, though that really focused
on coping or moving through it,you know, which did help me a
little, but for the most partnow you'll see lots of lots of
therapists place grief on theirlist of who they work with.
Yeah, they place it there, butI don't know, I kind of feel
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like grief.
I feel like it's more of aspiritual journey.
Rose Wippich (10:46):
I do too.
Jocelyn Bates (10:46):
And a therapeutic journey and and I don't know
how many people I mean now theyhave like death doulas.
You know, I think that's afascinating, amazing job.
Like death doula is man, I wishI could have been a death doula
for my parents, like I wish Icould have walked them through
at some point, because that workis that.
That's angel work.
Rose Wippich (11:05):
You know that's like a friend of mine.
She does that.
She works in hospice withpeople and she's a Reiki Master,
and she has just a lot of gifts, spiritual gifts, and she helps
people with that.
I want to talk about your soulart, though, because I know your
soul art is just such anintegral part of you and how you
express yourself and how youwill help others.
So I want to talk about yoursoul art.
Jocelyn Bates (11:27):
Oh yeah.
So soul art is something I knewabout when I got, when I
graduated college as anexpressive art therapist, or it
was like a few years after Iknew about it and I was like you
know what, I'm working too hard, I don't have time to go to
more classes because it's awhole certification project,
like, and I'm actually currentlyin my third of four
certifications for it.
And I decided after I wentthrough all of my kind of a lot
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of my healing and I had beenthrough human design and I had
been, I'd gotten trained in theAkashic Records, and then I was,
I hit my wall.
I had to go to Yoga Nidra and Igot trained there because that
saved my life physically, like Ifinally could sleep again and
my anxiety began to justdissipate.
I was like I need the nextthing because I almost got
addicted to like oh, I learnedthis, I have that certification
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and I am a line.
Rose Wippich (12:13):
It's the Aquarian, but it's the Aquarian in you as
well, yeah.
Jocelyn Bates (12:16):
Yeah.
Rose Wippich (12:17):
I'm like okay what's next?
Jocelyn Bates (12:18):
What's?
next and then I was like oh,soul art, I've been wanting to
do this for like 25 years, youknow.
So I reached out and I startedthat journey.
And soul art is it uses a lotof the same tools as expressive
art therapy, but I would say thedifference and I think I've
said this on a few podcasts I'vetalked on is like the idea that
expressive art therapy is likewriting on lined paper with a
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pen and working in soul art islike having an infinite amount
of markers in a room with whitewalls you know what I'm saying?
Like it's just there's becauseit brings in the soul, the
spirit, the you know highestlined energy, because it's all
coming from you.
There's no therapist to bounceanything off of.
You're actually bouncing it offof your own creative expression
and your own energy and soul,and even if someone's guiding
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you, they're just.
They're just doing a little bitof like witnessing and
reflecting for you.
So it's just a really cooljourney.
And soul art is like.
So we work with Janet and shedoes these journeys.
Soul art is very similar becauseyou create an intention and
when you create that intention,like a little piece of who you
are, your energy goes into thatand it journeys with you the
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whole time, so that and that.
So you have that intention andthen you create a framework and
that framework is maybe a bodymap or an energy map, or you
might literally outline yourbody right, or you might outline
a body part right.
You don't have to have like 10foot paper, like I do, you could
do it just to hand outline abody part right.
You don't have to have like 10foot paper, like I do, you could
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do it just to hand.
You have like 10, 10 foot paper.
Yeah, yeah, I work on like big,huge paper and and so then you
do the body, you kind of createa framework and your body map,
and then you open a creativitydoor into creative expression,
where you let go of everythingyou did previously and just play
on a page like you're playingon your framework, and after
that you converse and dialogueand gain insights from your
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creative expression and then youcreate a spirit action, and
that spirit action has an endingtime.
So, like right now I'm workinga spirit action, that is, I'm
supposed to be writing thefictional story of who I am as a
medicine woman and then thelast two minutes of that five
minute time I'm supposed to letmy little wise elder go in and
find the visions in my fiction.
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That's what that's like, myspirit action for five days and
it's over on June 27th at 10 am,and at that point my energy
will come back to me and we'llbegin the next journey, right?
Rose Wippich (14:41):
So this is a framework that is created by you
and you guide people throughthis, or is this a framework
that develops out of theirinitial intention and soul
journey, like, like you know, doyou have a because I'm very
kind of literal like, okay, doyou have a book with, like you
know, here's like step one, steptwo, step three, and this is
what I need to do, or does ittrend or does it form as you're
going through the process?
Jocelyn Bates (15:02):
So it can be as narrow and, like you know,
really monitored right in thelines as you want it to be, or
it can be really, really open.
So soul art was begun by LauraHullick years ago and so she
runs this program that's why.
So she kind of gives you thisframework to begin with, and
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these three stages are in order.
So you start with intention,then you create a framework and
you could do it however you'dlike.
You open a creativity door,which could be anything as
simple as writing or doing acollage, or picking a card or
reading a story, and then youjust play on whatever you're
going to work on.
Maybe it's like a big piece ofpaper, maybe it's a small eight
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by 11 piece of lined paper right, it doesn't matter.
And then at the end of thatexpression, you find the
insights in it and then youcreate the spirit action, and
your spirit action is kind ofit's inspired from your insight.
So you take the insight thathits you the deepest and I'll
tell you something insights insoul art.
There's something special aboutit, because what you realize
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when you're going through theinsight piece of it is that you
realize it's all your soultalking and this was in you all
along.
There comes a confidence and acourageousness with each insight
that you get in, a soul art,because it's all you and you're
like, wow, I have the power nowto answer anything I need to
answer, and it's very empowering.
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And once you find the insightI'll have.
Sometimes I'll have tons ofinsights.
I'll have like a list ofinsights, sometimes it's one or
two.
But once you find the insightthat's connected to you, then
you create a really tangible,doable spirit action.
It could be simple, it could belike I'm going to meditate for
one day, maybe not a full day.
I'm going to meditate for 20minutes today and that's the end
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of your spirit action.
But it should have something todo with your insight.
Yeah, so it's a journey.
It takes anywhere from like twoand a half to three hours to
going.
You know you could make ajourney as long as you want, as
long as you want to keep yourcreative expression open until
you find the ending point of it.
But but yeah, and there's allkinds of soul art journeys you
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can go on Like.
So I am certified in bodymapping journey and energy
mapping journeys, but right nowI'm getting very close to the
end of a creation journey.
So I'll be certified increation journeys, probably by
mid July.
And then there's shamanjourneys and within each of
these there's journeys to findyour soul star, your earth star,
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right.
There's so many differentjourneys.
You can go on and it's justamazing.
Just yesterday I finished ajourney of the union of my inner
child and my wise elder and itwas super fascinating.
Rose Wippich (17:45):
And that just comes to you right.
Jocelyn Bates (17:48):
Well, these are the pieces I'm going through in
the certification process.
So, because I'll be runningthese journeys, I have to go
like every little piece.
I go on a full journey of Right.
So, like, whereas I might berunning an energy mapping
journey with someone and ittakes, it uses the soul star and
the earth star and the corestar and the spirit realm and
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the earth realm, I haveliterally done a soul art
journey for every one of thoselittle things.
So I've done, I've done a lot,and then as you begin to get
further in your intentions, likeas you begin to understand how
to create an intention and howto really jump into an intention
which is a beautiful thing topractice and to know and how to
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really get the juiciest and bestintentions, once you do that,
your journey could really go inmany different places.
You know, it doesn't have to bevisual art.
I've done video, I've donephotography, I've done sewing,
I've done dance, you know.
So it doesn't have to be visualart.
I've done video, I've donephotography, I've done sewing,
I've done dance, you know.
So it doesn't have to stay onthe page.
It's just the easiest way Ithink people for to begin to
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understand the process.
Rose Wippich (18:53):
Right, wow, that's , it's really amazing.
And so so people that come toyou and want to explore this
where do you see that they haveblocks?
Do they do they like?
Are they uncomfortable withdoing something like this?
Because it's different, likeit's not like?
Okay, give me a, give me ajournal prompt and let me write
in my journal.
You know this is totallydifferent, like I can see, like
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people just like sticking theirfeet and painting, walking on
the tap, on the, on the canvasor something like like it's real
different.
I've done that.
Jocelyn Bates (19:25):
I know I have a feeling you did, I could see
myself doing that too.
Rose Wippich (19:28):
But you know, I could sense like, okay, like
it's something that is maybe outof somebody's comfort zone.
Jocelyn Bates (19:34):
Oh, for sure.
But I'll tell you what as wehead towards 2027, as we head
towards some major paradigmshifts, like, as we head that
way, creativity is going to beso important and unfortunately,
we all come from a public schoolsystem that has killed a lot of
our creativity, that hasoffered us many external rules,
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many internal critics who havetold us yes and no, right and
wrong, good and bad They've been.
It's our entire life, right,like we are often cut down from
critical thinking.
We're cut down from beingcurious about certain things.
We're shot down in a lot ofdifferent ways and so, yeah, so
many adults have a hard timewith it.
Like I just ran an insight timertoday on soul art.
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I had, like I had so manypeople, and many people in the
beginning were like I can't dothis, I can't do this, this is
not me, I'm not creative.
Right, they're writing in bythe end of the class, of just
talking about it.
They were all like I'm in, I'mon fire.
I feel it Like there'sinspiration, because they just
have to realize this is not them.
We are innately creative.
It is our birthright to becreative.
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We are a hundred.
I mean.
We are human beings, we aresouls living in human bodies,
and creativity is how we connectto the soul, like creativity,
whether it be literally paintingor creativity.
Sometimes we connect throughour souls, through a really good
conversation, and that'screative.
Even food, food, rocks,gardening, anything like even
finance can be creative.
If you know you really who theheck came up with those
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financial stock graphs and stuff.
Whoever that was, that wascreative.
There's like candles that aregreen and red and it's
everywhere yeah, that's, that'samazing yeah I, it's, it's, it's
, uh, I want, I want to talkabout all right.
Rose Wippich (21:20):
So so you mentioned 2027.
Now, I wasn't aware of thisparadigm shift and I need you to
talk about it because youmentioned it.
So there's the gateway right tothat conversation.
Let everyone know, because Iknow people are curious and you
want people to be curious.
What is that?
Jocelyn Bates (21:37):
In human design, it's the paradigm shift.
It's when, in human design, inFebruary of 2027, we're shifting
from the gate of planning tothe gate of the sleeping Phoenix
.
Three the gate of the sleepingPhoenix Sorry, my daughter is
the gate of the sleeping Phoenix.
Yeah, gate of the sleepingPhoenix.
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And so the significance of thisis that it hasn't actually the
gate hasn't changed since theearly 1600s.
We have been in the gate ofplanning since the early 1600s.
We have been in the gate ofplanning since the early 1600s.
That's just crazy that thishasn't shifted right and it's
really we've been in the notself of it.
We've been in like it's.
The beautiful part of the gateof planning is we take care of
other people, right, you know.
(22:18):
But uh, and so that's wherethings like banking and school
system I don't know if bankingever started that way, but the
school system, the school systemthe medical environment.
Rose Wippich (22:30):
Right.
Jocelyn Bates (22:31):
Yeah, but you see how it's turned to the not self
, it's all for, it's all forpersonal profit.
For you know it really doesn'thelp anybody in the end.
Right, you know you look at yeah, you look like like at a
program where they send food to,like what they would call maybe
a third world country, right,like, and we have them now
dependent on food that isprobably hurting them, sending
them vaccines that are probablykilling them, and we don't even
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see the actual there's no,there's no connection.
We're not seeing what'shappening.
We're not building the empathy.
It's.
It doesn't work.
We need to love our neighbors,right?
So so, yeah, so this we've beenin the gate of planning, in the
not self of gate of planningfor quite some time, and in
February of 2027, we are goingto shift to the gate of the
sleeping phoenix, which is allabout taking care of yourself
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and intimacy with people, notlike literal, like physical
intimacy, physical intimacy ofthe cross, but really having
intimate relationships, intimateconversations with people who
are around you, who are near you, with your family, actually
knowing people, right, and, andso in February, that vibration
of the gate of planning, wherewe want to take care of everyone
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else, just shuts off like that,and the gate of the sleeping
phoenix goes on like that, andso it's a paradigm shift.
It's not going to happen all atonce.
Paradigm shift.
It's not going to happen all atonce, like nothing.
Everything's not going tocrumble all at once, but you do
see what they say.
We're midwifing it right now,and you can see it in how the
school systems are rocking alittle bit.
They're like they're.
They're having a little bit oftheir own earthquake with all
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the stuff going on in theclassrooms, with the bullying,
with all of the parents andwhat's being taught.
There's so much questioninggoing on the banking system.
I don't know what, I don't knowwhen that's going to fall, but
eventually that has to fallsomehow.
The corporations, you read allof this is like the gate of the,
the gate of planning, havingthis, this, like you know, we're
midwifing it.
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It's having contractions andit's not working.
So where we live in, you know avery centralized place right
now.
You know we have to rely onpeople in China for medication
or people in India, for, youknow, whatever it is, they're
not our neighbors.
We're going to go to a placewhere we have to start relying
on our neighbors, where we'redecentralized.
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So if you think of, like, thegate of planning is
centralization, the gate ofSleeping Phoenix is like
decentralization, and so there'sa lot of change that's going to
shift.
It's going to happen over years, though, but that vibration
will be immediately gone.
So I, like my teacher likes tosay, she goes don't worry about
it, it's just going to be your.
You know like how right.
Even think about sexualityright now.
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Everyone gets put in theseboxes.
There's very many boxes, right,and you can't just be gay or a
lesbian.
There's like 15,000 boxes.
It feels like out there, right,and that's very gate of
planning.
When we get into the gate ofthe sleeping phoenix, it's like
I just love another human.
I just love this human right,that's where we're going, so
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it's actually super beautiful.
And then she goes.
She tells you how beautiful shegoes.
Of course, people are going todie, a lot of people are going
to die, but they're like whatyou know?
But it's you know, there is.
There has to be a breakdown ofwhat was built up.
So that's the pirate.
That's the paradigm shift.
There's a lot, and I don'tthink it's going to happen all
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at once.
I don't expect a big doomsday.
That's the paradigm shift.
There's a lot, and I don'tthink it's going to happen all
at once.
I don't expect a big doomsday,but I do expect a shift in how
we relate to each other, how werelate to the systems that
provide for us and how we relateto ourselves.
What's going to be importantare the people in your community
and like really being a part ofthat.
And so it'll be.
It'll be interesting, yeah,because right now, like, there's
a lot of people who don't havea local community because their
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community is online across theworld, so you know which?
Rose Wippich (26:09):
is good too, because they're creating more
global communities.
I'm not saying that's bad, I'mjust saying that we're isolating
ourselves in our home wherewe're not having like kind of
like one on one flesh to fleshconversations, you know, like
like a hug.
Like a hug, oh my gosh, I wenton a Reiki retreat over the
weekend and up at Omega, whichis close by with, with people
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there that have whole wonderfulReiki energy and we were hugging
.
I mean like we must've allhugged each other like a million
times.
It just felt so good to do that, yeah.
Jocelyn Bates (26:41):
You know, it's awesome.
Rose Wippich (26:43):
Yeah, yeah, hugs are great.
Jocelyn Bates (26:47):
That's going to come back.
I mean, mean, I just I feellike we are being pushed to the
limit and as we midwife things,people are going to be grabbing
for things, trying to controlthings that might be, in the end
, uncontrollable.
So you know, I'm not worriedabout it, I'm not scared about
it, I think it should be.
You know, as long as you, inhuman design, you have a
strategy and authority, and aslong as you follow your strategy
and authority, you'll be justfine.
Talk about human design.
Rose Wippich (27:09):
I think that's important, maybe to segue.
I don't want to interrupt you,I'm so sorry.
Jocelyn Bates (27:13):
Well, I was just going to say in other.
You know, just like inastrology, like following your
instincts or you know, howeveryou look at it, but human design
has a strategy.
So if you go and find your freechart you can go anywhere and
find a free chart You'll look ata body.
It'll show you a body graph andit'll show you two columns of
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gates and planets and on, likethe one side of it, you'll see,
like your profile, your type,your strategy, your authority,
it's right there, it'll be flatout for you.
And your strategy, yourauthority, it's right there,
it'll be flat out for you.
Right, and you're a strategyauthority.
Really, take into account yourtype and and and your body graph
.
So, like my strategy authorityis I'm a pure generator.
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That's my type.
And because I'm a puregenerator, my strategy and
authority are to, um, to respond, to respond to things.
And's sacral, so it's a sacralresponse.
And in of that, I know that ifI'm frustrated, I haven't
followed my strategy andauthority.
Frustration is the key to letme know that I'm not.
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It's not anger, it's notsadness, only when I'm it's a
very specific kind For me.
It's a very specific feelinglike ah, but you know it's a
frustration.
So for me, and if you are orsomebody else is a pure
generator, you can practice yourresponse by simply doing sacral
sessions, like asking people inyour house I forget, were you a
generator?
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You're not a generator.
Rose Wippich (28:41):
I'm a projector Projector Quad left projector.
Jocelyn Bates (28:44):
So you're not a sacral, I'm splenic, yes.
Oh well, that's very intuitive.
That's needing to follow theinstinct immediately.
Rose Wippich (28:53):
Yeah, since I was a child, I was very intuitive.
Jocelyn Bates (28:57):
That's the knowing.
So, whereas you're a splenicauthority, right, you just know
and go right, you just know andgo, you have to pay attention.
And you just know and go, right, you just know, you have to pay
attention.
And when you don't listen, itkind of back back like back up.
You don't want to do that.
So, but for for peer generators, we have to have a vocal
response, a yes or no.
Uh, huh, yep, nope, it's asacral response.
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We're responding to something.
Your splenic authority may notneed to respond to anything, you
just might have it.
I have to be responding tosomething.
And so when I was first workingwith my strategy and authority,
I had my husband ask every dayI'd have him ask me yes or no
questions and I like uh-huh,uh-uh, because it feels very
guttural.
Some people like yep, nope,doesn't matter.
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But he'd ask me things like areyou wearing a shirt today?
Are you wearing a shirt today?
Are you wearing a skirt?
Is it rainy out?
Is it summer?
Is it your birthday?
Do you like pizza?
Do you like the color red?
And just like constant, likethat.
And I'd be like uh-huh, wow.
And after a while, and thenhe'd throw in things like do you
really want to do that class?
And I'd be like uh-uh, and Iwas like oh, I don't want to do
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it.
Rose Wippich (30:03):
So your answer came from that literal response.
Yes, it was almost your innate,your intuitive answer.
Not your, not your head.
It goes from your sacral, notyour head.
I'm pointing to my head.
Jocelyn Bates (30:17):
Yeah, ah, interesting.
And so you start with the voiceand then you can start to feel,
when someone asks you aquestion, the response, but
whereas your splenic also knowsyou don't need to respond in the
same way, so you don't need tobe asked a question, I need to
be asked a question.
When I first found out aboutthis, I was so funny.
I was like this huge aha,because my husband would always
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say to me we'd go on a datenight and he'd be like, what do
you want to eat?
And I'd be like, and I'd startto get frustrated, like, why is
he asking me what I want to eat?
He's the man, he's the husband.
You should take me where I wantto go.
You should know what I want toeat, you know.
Rose Wippich (30:51):
Make a decision.
Jocelyn Bates (30:52):
Right, right, but and it was frustration first
key need to respond, right.
So when I first learned this,every time we would go on a date
night I'd be like don't ask me,what, do I want this, do I want
that?
And he would start do you wantsushi, do you want pizza, do you
want?
And it made every date night somuch easier.
I didn't hit the point offrustration.
We would figure it out inalmost a minute.
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We would be there, we'd have agreat time.
Inevitably, we'd meet, becausewhen you follow your set, your
strategy and authority, you meetpeople that are interesting to
you.
You start to find opportunities.
It's really great conversations.
So, but that's a.
That's a generator, puregenerator.
It's not for everybody Like.
So my husband's an emotional,he's an emotional authority, so
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he needs to kind of sit on it.
He emotional authority, needsto give.
They ride an emotional wave allthe time so he needs to
sometimes like sleep on it.
And whenever he's feeling likethe wave is kind of right in the
center, that's when I can askhim yes and no questions, right?
So that's like an emotionalauthority.
Rose Wippich (31:55):
Wow, it's important to well.
This is a new concept for me.
I just recently came acrosshuman design.
I wish I'd known about itsooner, although it's only been
around since the 80s I believe,but it's just really interesting
.
It helps you to understandsomeone a little better, more
than just you know, I don't know.
It just helps you understandyourself better.
Jocelyn Bates (32:17):
It helps you understand yourself in a
relationship.
I find that to be the superhelpful to me, because not only
do you have your strategy andauthority, you have a profile
which is like a line, a dash,and a line like I'm a four one,
and that's an opportunisticinvestigator, right?
So there's, and there's only,like, I think, 12 or 13 profiles
in total, and then you havethese centers, which is also
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it's, it's astrology, I Ching,kabbalah, numerology, all kind
of mixed into one, and so youhave the chakra system, but you
have nine chakras instead ofseven, and each chakra center is
connected to a certain kind ofenergy that we have.
So, like you have either anundefined or defined energy
center.
So I have, like, the solarplexus, which is connected to
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the feelings in the human designchart, right, how it's the do.
I have constant connection to myfeelings and I have an
undefined solar plexus.
So I do not have a constancy atall to my emotions.
I don't.
I just I'm undefined there.
My husband, however, is he'sdefined.
He has you know what he'sfeeling any time of the day, and
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when he walks in, I have threeundefined solar plexuses in my
house.
We'll all start to.
If he is angry, we'll all startto get like you pick it up.
Yeah, we pick it up.
We magnify it and like or ifhe's happy, we might all get
happy, like we're all like.
I have one kid who's definedand she'll.
She's her own because she'sdefined in the solar plexus, and
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so she's her own because she'sdefined in the solar plexus and
so she's always got her ownconstancy of emotion.
So if I had known this when Iwas a teenager man, would I have
been able to change some things, because I was in an abusive
relationship in teenage yearsand I took on all of his
emotions.
If I had known I didn't have aconstant energy to my emotions
or to my emotional center, likeI would have known that it
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wasn't mine, that I'm pickingthis up from someone else, what
an ugly hatred.
And instead I was like oh I, Ihated myself.
That ugly you know so like itcan see how you, how you relate
in relationship to other people.
It's super helpful.
Rose Wippich (34:24):
You're lucky, though.
Your husband is open tounderstanding all of this.
Some won't.
So they'd be like what are youtalking about?
Well, just just you know, andand so.
So, yeah, you're so, you're,you're lucky.
I think that's.
That's, that's great Wishingall men would be open to
understanding more aboutthemselves.
Go ahead.
Jocelyn Bates (34:50):
Yeah, and even if you have, like, a husband who
doesn't right, so here's a,here's like one of the things I
do, because I know he's anemotional authority.
He doesn't need to know I'mdoing anything Right.
And so when I need an answerfrom him and I need an answer
pretty quickly and I can't waitover the night for him and it's
an, he has an emotional response.
I'm like what I do say to get ahint is I'm wondering how you
feel about, and that will openup the conversation.
And then I can turn it into ayes, no, he doesn't even know I
do it, he doesn't know I do it.
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So, like you can, actually, ifyou understand the chart of your
husband, you can begin to just,you don't even need him to take
part.
You just start to understand ohmy God, he has an undefined you
know, maybe he has an undefinedwill or an undefined identity
center.
And now you understand oh myGod, that's why he's so
different around his friends andhis family and me and the kids,
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because he's able to shiftidentity with how it needs to be
seen Right.
So you just get to start tounderstand things that you might
have thought were your own tobegin with.
Rose Wippich (35:49):
That makes sense.
It makes sense.
Yes, I think this concept is alittle new for a lot of people.
I know you help people withthis because you do this work
for people, and I think thatI've spoken to you.
I think I need you to help mewith identifying me so that I
can, you know, not waste my timein certain things or certain
areas, or be certain ways, andknow how to respond according to
my own chart.
Jocelyn Bates (36:09):
Yeah, yeah, it's important to know your strategy
and authority and a lot ofpeople in human design like to
know how to follow your strategyand authority.
That will lead you intodeconditioning.
So, like in human design wetalk about, we're conditioned by
society, by family, by culture,by government, like we're
conditioned all over the place,right, we're told all of these
things and it's important todecondition.
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And a deconditioning journeycan take a while, but if you
follow your strategy andauthority it can really lead you
into that deconditioning pathin a really easy way.
Yeah, so, knowing just reallyknowing how to use the simplest
pieces of human design because,like I can do larger, bigger
charts, because it talks aboutgates and channels and all kinds
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of stuff like planetary thingsI do gene keys, right, like I do
all that.
But what I find helps people themost is just understanding the
basics, like understanding whatthey have access to
energetically, what they don't,and how to follow their strategy
and authority and some of thethe like bigger themes in there.
Because if you give someone Ithink I was telling you this
(37:14):
last time if you give someonetoo much, too much information,
it's like they go for the stuffthat's juicy, but that's not
necessarily that, the thingsthat like I love having in
astrology my Venus and Pisces,I'm like I'm such a poet, like I
love it, but that's not helpingme as much as other things in
my astrology chart Right, right,right, right.
(37:35):
So like I find that if they, ifpeople, can really get a grasp
of some of the simpler pieces totheir chart and have someone
kind of reflect it back for themso they can understand it, then
it really opens up a door to godeep into human design if they
want to.
But to know those things first.
Rose Wippich (37:53):
Yeah, I found out as a projector that I need to
wait for the invitation.
And now anybody that knows me,I'm like a go-getter.
I'm like I'm out there andtrying to make it happen, and
you know, and then I'm likego-getter, I'm like I'm out
there and trying to make ithappen and then I'm like it's
really hard for me, so thatdeconditioning it may take a
while and I don't really havelike I'm not that patient, but
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yeah, so if I wait for theinvitation, it doesn't mean I'm
just going to sit around here atmy desk just waiting for
someone to pick up the phone.
There's still things I can do.
It's just that I won't.
I'm not going against my design.
Yeah, and that'll open up moreopportunities for me.
Jocelyn Bates (38:32):
Yeah, and like knowing if you're a wait for an
invitation person, you have toput yourself in places to get
invitations.
If you're a wait for invitationperson and you're a work at
home, don't talk to anybody elseand you're like you're not
going to get that manyinvitations, you have to place
yourself in an environment whereyou're going to get the
invitations that you want.
So you still have a little bitof like.
You still have a little bit oflike power and say in that, but
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also like projector, you need tonap, you need to take a break.
You should only work two tothree hours a day, which is down
insane to most people.
That's part of the conditioningright there.
Rose Wippich (39:05):
Forget it.
Yeah, no, that's really superhard, but I'm trying.
Jocelyn Bates (39:13):
You know, I'm learning yeah so it's
interesting too with theprojectors.
Uh, I was just reading, I'm soI'm not.
I I don't have many.
I know very like I love I havemanaging manifesting generators
and generators in my familyright and manifestor, that's
who's in my house we have somuch energy, oh my god.
Um, and I was just readingabout projectors and because I
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like to like kind of, I'm aresearcher, we're talking about
it before it's my line one inhuman design or my Aquarius that
likes to like give me the nextthing, give me the next thing,
give me the next thing.
And I was just jumping likereal deep dive into projector
and it's this idea that, likethey, as a projector, you almost
can, you can lead someoneeffortlessly to their strategy
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and authority.
It's super cool, it's likeeffortless leading because you
sense it, but it's also it's notlike for a wide group of people
, it's like one or two at a timeand it's like it's focused.
So it's interesting so.
Rose Wippich (40:18):
I you'll hear me say on a lot of the podcast
episodes that one of the reasonsI'm doing this is to support my
guests, because I really wantto help people and see them
succeed, and I didn't know thatabout a projector and as you say
this yeah, that's whatprojectors do.
It makes sense to me, totalsense.
Jocelyn Bates (40:38):
A lot of projectors have been placed in
the world of generators, wherethey are on nine to five jobs,
and it is hard for a projectorto do that and they get stuck
and that's where theconditioning comes in, and so
they're like, yeah, but I haveto work to make this money to do
that.
But projectors can have veryabundant lifestyles.
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They're just not using theirenergy correctly, right.
But projectors can have veryabundant lifestyles.
They're just not using theirenergy correctly, right.
Like often, every businessneeds a projector and they don't
need to be there all the time.
They just need to be there fora certain amount of hours to
witness, to see, to be part of,and they can absolutely guide
that business to its pinnacle.
Rose Wippich (41:16):
Yeah, I used to work in HR with process
improvement and I love that, andconsultant do that, and then I
went home.
That's perfect.
Yeah, I want to learn moreabout that.
We're definitely going toconnect more.
I want to talk about AkashicRecords.
That's another topic that Ihaven't touched yet on my
episode on my podcast, and Iknow you do that for people too.
A lot of people don't know whatthat is.
(41:39):
Can you talk about Akashic?
Jocelyn Bates (41:40):
Yeah, the Akashic records are like a dimension of
pure knowledge and it's goinginto, you know, the soul.
So everyone has an Akashicrecord, every living thing has
an Akashic record, every eventhas an Akashic record.
You can even go into theAkashic records of relationships
, land, homes, right, all ofthese things have Akashic
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records.
But when you go into your ownrecords, it's the knowledge of
your soul from the moment itcame into existence and you have
to kind of wrap your head.
I just did a really big podcaston Akashic records the other
day because I'm like you have toand it's someone who's really
thought linearly and I'm likeyou have to change your mind
over, because I know we think oftime in a linear way present,
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past, future, however you knowand it's like it moves forward,
right.
But in the Akashic records youhave to think of it as like
maybe a tiny marble or crystalball and everything swirling
together at the same time,because it's like there's it's
not linear in the Akashicrecords.
When you go into the's notlinear in the Akashic Records,
when you go into the dimensionof knowledge of the Akashic
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Records, you can go, you canjump anywhere.
You can jump to the past lives,your present life.
You can jump to future lives,you can jump into all kinds of
different places, and so youjust have to you kind of have to
take your mind and just turn itoff for a little while to
consider it to be more of like acrystal or like a marble that's
just spinning.
It's all happening at the sametime so people don't go into the
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records.
You know how people go to atarot card reader and they're
like they want a divinationright.
They want to know when they'regoing to get married.
It says baby's going to workout.
You can't go into the Akashicrecords for timeframes.
It's all happening at the sametime so you can't go in there to
ask that.
But you go into the akashicrecords to learn, to get curious
, to find out, um, how deepsomething runs, to find the root
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of belief systems, to go in andsee what the see, what the
possibilities and future livesare of your gifts and how to
bring them into this life.
Like these are the things thatyou, you would go into the
Akashic records for.
And in the Akashic records youcan.
You can transmute contracts,deals and agreements.
You can transmute beliefsystems.
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You can untether, you can callyour energy back from all your
lifetimes.
You can.
You can retrieve lost souls.
You can do all kinds of stuffall your lifetimes.
You can retrieve lost souls.
You can do all kinds of stuff.
You can connect with your soulteam, with your spirit team,
with your ascending mastersmasters, mentors, guides,
guardians, angels and you canreceive Reiki from your angels
and your spirit team in theAkashic Records as well.
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So anytime that you go into therecords, you are getting an
energetic healing time that yougo into the records, you are
getting an energetic healing andum and everybody has access to
their own akashic recordseverybody.
There was a time when you didnot have access.
None of us had access and itwas given back to us.
The reason it was taken away isbecause people were going into
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other people's records and thatthere's an integrity without
provision.
Rose Wippich (44:39):
Yeah right.
Jocelyn Bates (44:40):
There's an integrity that's needed and you
need to have stated access Like,yes, you're, I want you to go
in here.
I permit you to do this, likewhen I go into people's records,
like I have them stated,because I need to know, and I
won't even have them stated aweek earlier, it'll be right
before I go into their records,because what if they change
their mind?
Right, like I have to.
(45:00):
I have to make sure that it'slike, it's real and current
before I go in.
And the integrity is I always Irun everything by that person.
I'm not transmitting a contract, I'm not transmitting a belief
system, I'm not changing a pastlife unless I know they're there
and they're recreating it withme.
So that's why the access to theAkashic Records was denied
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everyone for quite some time,right, yeah.
Rose Wippich (45:25):
So you do readings for people, so someone will
come to you and say I'm havingproblems or give me an example
of what have some of thestruggles.
People have that and they'recoming to you with help for help
with the Akashic Records, usingthe Akashic Records.
Jocelyn Bates (45:42):
I've had people come to me for lots of different
things from their businessbecause you can go into the
Akashic Records of a businessand I've gone into the Akashic
Records and designed the logosand stuff for businesses just
from things I'm seeing in theAkashic Records from colors,
words, all that kind of stufffor a business which is really
fun work to do.
(46:02):
And I've also gone in forpeople who have lost people.
It's not a medium, I'm notgoing in to read things, but to
connect back to people who aregone and like if there were
other lives they were in.
What kind of lessons?
How can I move through this?
How can we heal through this?
Where else have you had grief?
What are the belief systemsthat are beginning to seed from
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this grief?
And I've gone in and done thatwork.
I've also gone in for peoplewho are having, like you know,
even marital problems.
My favorite place to go into therecords is for people who are
women, who are Gen X, becausethis is, I am a woman who's Gen
X and I'm 47 now and I'm goingthrough major changes all over
the place, right, and this Gen Xkind of where we are now.
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It's so full of lifetransitions, it is so ripe the
territory to really make changeand to really get into who we
are that when you go into therecords it's like a limitless
possibility.
I feel like, as a woman at thisage, to go in and begin to work
in the records.
So yeah, to make your life whatyou want it to be, to figure
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out what you want, to figure outwhat you're here for you know,
Wow, and you're starting to runwomen's circles too right you
really want to work.
Rose Wippich (47:18):
You work with women.
Jocelyn Bates (47:20):
I do work with women.
Divine and goddess energy.
Yeah, yeah, you're starting tohave these circles, right, and
what do you do in your women'scircles?
Some of the women can't make it, so I'm like, oh, maybe I
should just like hold off to thenext day.
I can't, I should listen to mystrategy and authority.
(47:42):
You should, you should, yeah,yes, absolutely.
Rose Wippich (47:44):
What is your intention behind the women's
circles, your women's circles?
Jocelyn Bates (47:48):
Yeah, I want to connect women to each other.
I feel like at this age I needto connect to women.
They were like.
They were like the moms that mykids liked, their kids.
They weren't like the moms, butthey weren't my friends, you
know.
So I wanted to connect back towomen who I connect with, and I
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also wanted to bring soul artand intention.
There was something I wanted todo a while back, which was
create an intention-basedsubscription box, but it seemed
like such a big deal and I waslike I'd rather just I'd rather
be connected with people.
So my intention is to do it asa new moon and to create a new
moon intention each month and tofollow that intention and
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support each other through thatintention.
So, like this last Women'sCircle, we worked with soul art
and we did a mini soul artjourney and I walked everyone
through a live yoga nidra first.
So we went through a live yoganidra and really went into the
subtle selves and like, justrelaxed totally, to find the
sankalpa and the intention.
(48:54):
And then we kind of I've beensupporting, we've been
supporting each other throughthe month of that intention.
Rose Wippich (49:02):
Oh, I love that yeah.
Jocelyn Bates (49:04):
So it's kind of where I'm at right now.
Rose Wippich (49:06):
Just the yoga nidra alone is yummy.
I mean I'm surprised anyone wasable to do anything after a
yoga nidra.
Jocelyn Bates (49:12):
Oh well, you'd be surprised.
Like right before I came onhere, I just did a 40-minute
yoga nidra.
I always feel so awakeafterwards.
Rose Wippich (49:19):
Well, yeah, it does.
It does energize you.
They say it is.
You know it's what?
Half an hour, right, but you'realmost sleeping for three hours
, something like that.
Three to four hours.
Three to four hours, yeah,because your brainwaves.
Jocelyn Bates (49:33):
The brainwaves move through the subtle selves
and so, as you do a yoga nidrayeah, you could do like a 30,
40-minute yoga nidra and I feellike I've had a three to four
hour nap and you have on theinside timer, people can find
you.
Rose Wippich (49:47):
Yeah, I'm going to look for you and people.
We have to put those links inthe show notes.
Jocelyn Bates (49:52):
Yeah, I'll send all those to you.
Rose Wippich (49:54):
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, as an Aquarian, Iknow you're an air sign, like me
, and we're all over thefreaking place.
What keeps you grounded?
What?
What stops you from like beingall over the place and getting
distracted, wanting to do this,want to do everything, like,
what?
What kind of like brings youback down where you can just
like, oh, that's interestingbecause I feel like I as so in
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human design.
Jocelyn Bates (50:17):
Like this is my human design profile four one
quad, right gate of fantasy,juxtaposition of fantasy and the
gate of fantasy is my fixedfate.
Like I am meant to follow theflow at all times, like I'm not
meant to have any schedulewhatsoever.
It is so hard.
It is so hard.
But when I find that I followthe flow and I listen to the
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moments in front of me, thatgrounds me, even though it's
totally not grounding.
It's not like like when I havesomething that's every day, like
I have a cup of coffee in themorning.
It doesn't always feelgrounding to me, unless it's
like calling to me that day.
And so, like I, nothingactually ever works all the time
for me.
I, oh, I do find, though, um,writing and art to be.
(51:04):
You know, if I was to say onething that I find and I'm, I'm,
I'm called to almost all thetime anyways, it's almost always
my flow to go there um iswriting and and art.
Rose Wippich (51:15):
Um, is there anything you want to talk about
that we haven't talked aboutthat you want to share, about
anything you do?
Jocelyn Bates (51:25):
You know, I, I like I.
You know, I think you had saidearlier, I'm like, what I do is
I'm a cultivator of curiosityand creativity in the human
experiment and I've really beenfocusing on this idea that we
are a soul in a human skin, in ahuman body and you know, just
speaking to the Akashic recordsfor a minute, minute, before our
soul incarnates into a humanlife, uh, we know everything.
We are light beings.
(51:46):
We are, you know, people thatsay people, we're souls, that we
don't have any questions.
And I, I believe we incarnateinto this human life to feel,
and so I have to.
I remind myself constantlylately to like I'm here to feel
so, and so I have to.
I remind myself constantlylately to like I'm here to feel.
So, if I consistently try toavoid feeling, what am I doing
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to my soul here, first of all?
Second of all, it's okay tofeel.
I'm here to feel.
If it doesn't feel good, it'san experiment.
I constantly use that wordexperiment with myself.
I'm experimenting.
If I don't like how I feel, likeif I'm feeling really sad,
instead of like getting scaredof that sad feeling, I'm going
to get curious.
Okay, how does this feeldifferent in my fingertips, like
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, how does it feel different?
Okay, how might I move this?
How could I breathe into this alittle differently?
How could I?
If this was like a photograph?
Would it be a Polaroid or wouldit be a digital photograph Like
?
These are weird things that gothrough my mind.
But like the, what it does isit allows me to be present in
the human experience and youknow.
(52:49):
And so the idea of being curiousand being creative at all times
and honing those two things and, top of it, like so you hone
your curiosity and yourcreativity, and then you just
realize that both live withinthe body.
Your body is the instrument ofboth.
So you respect your body, youhonor your body or you use your
body to gain insight into yourcuriosity and creativity.
It's the three.
The three together make up thewhole thing for me.
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And that's what I do for people.
I help them get into their body, I help them learn how to be
curious, how to widen their lens, how to open up and how to
express and let their soulexpress through them.
And in the end, I don't go.
I don't try to heal anybody.
I don't try to.
I try to help them, guide themto heal themselves.
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It's not my job, it's theirexperiment.
They should be doing it.
They should get curious andcreative and I want to watch it.
I want to be on the sidelines,like, yeah, I want to be on the
sidelines Like, yeah, I lovethat.
Like you know I'm not here tokill them and so, but I do, I
know I'm here to help walkpeople into that process, but
yeah, so that's kind of what Ido and I love it, I love it.
Rose Wippich (53:54):
Yeah, it's wonderful, I feel the same way
People.
People have the ability to healthemselves, and that's what we
learned in our class, too, withJanet have the ability to heal
themselves, and that's what welearned in our class, too, with
Janet.
So, yes, here, here, you do somuch and you know you.
You have so many tools that youcan guide people with and I
just love it and I and I justwant to thank you for being here
on the show and I'm getting toknow you more and more and
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connecting with you.
It's so great.
You live so close and I want toyou know, be more in your space
and learn more from you and andbe guided by you as well.
So I'm going to put everythingin the show notes, of course, Um
, so people can find you andalso share in your contagious
wonderful energy.
Jocelyn Bates (54:38):
Yeah, yeah, I love and I'm so thank you for
having me, cause I love justtalking about it.
And I think you're fantastic themore that we, the more that we
talk and the more that we makeit relatable and the more that,
like, people understand likewe're all in it to be curious
and creative and to feel throughlike that's it, that's what
we're here to do, the morepeople that see that other
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people are doing it and theyalso hit roadblocks and they
also have all this stuff and,wow, that person's gone through
grief and how did they do it?
I'm going to get curious andcreative over there and you know
, like, the more that it becomespart of life, the more that
we're going to, especially in2027, into the paradigm shift.
That's how we're going to makeit like.
Rose Wippich (55:17):
That's how we're going to do it yeah, so we need
to start the work now and beingexpressive through art and
through voice.
That's how we heal, because Ithink personally, a lot of women
have a lot of blocks in the waythey express themselves or not
expressing themselves at all atall because they may feel that
no one wants to hear them.
I know personally, like I'll belike no one wants to hear my
(55:39):
story, like, but yeah, mystories or stories heal, or our
expression or expressive stories, whatever that is, it heals can
heal yourself and others.
Jocelyn Bates (55:54):
Well, there was that.
There was that interesting.
I saw a meme on some socialmedia that it was like an
article on social media or avideo, and it was like one of
these young actresses who was ona show and she was crying and
whatever.
I didn't even listen to whatshe was talking about.
She was like openly crying andthe meme said this person is so
amazing, not because she's anactress, because she's the first
woman I've seen cry and notapologize for it.
And I was like hell, yeah, likebecause that's what we did.
(56:18):
We're like.
I mean, I apologize all thetime.
It just comes out, just fliesout.
Oh sorry, I'm crying, but youknow I don't even mean it, it's
not even.
There's nothing attached to the.
Rose Wippich (56:28):
We have to stop doing that OK like women in
general have, because I don'thear men apologizing, it's the
women.
Yes, we need to.
You know, be unapologetic.
Yeah, you know, be unapologetic.
Yeah, not hurtful, we're nothurting other people, we just.
We don't need to apologize foreverything that we do, because
what we do is, there's no reasonto apologize yeah, absolutely
(56:50):
like, I love that wordunapologetic that was my.
That's my word for the yearwhen.
When I was asked, yeah, my wordfor the year unapologetic I
love it.
Jocelyn Bates (56:59):
It's perfect.
Mine is my for the year, butit's changed recently because I
moved through.
The solar journey was like toI'm rising from the ashes of
expectation into abundantfreedom.
Rose Wippich (57:11):
Oh, I love that.
Jocelyn Bates (57:12):
But, like this idea of I think women have a lot
of expectations on us and oncewe put on ourselves, other
people put us on society, put onus, our kids put on us.
Oh, it's just so many.
We put it on us, we put it onourselves, right?
All these expectations, I'mlike I'm rising from the ashes
of them.
Rose Wippich (57:29):
That's my, that's my theme for this year.
Well, listen, thank you so muchfor your energy and for guiding
women everywhere, and let's gointo 2027 ready with our
strategy and our authorityrising like the Phoenix.
Jocelyn Bates (57:42):
I love it.
Rose Wippich (57:43):
Thank you so much.
Thank you for joining me hereon Chat Off The Mat.
I hope these stories haveinspired you.
If you've enjoyed this episode,please share it with those who
might benefit.
Your support helps me spreadawareness about the power of
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transformative healing.
Stay connected with me onsocial media.
Reach out with your own healingstories or topics you'd like me
to explore in future episodes.
Your voice is an essential partof this community.
I hope that your healingjourney is filled with
self-discovery, curiosity,resilience and the unwavering
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belief in the power that resideswithin you.
Until next time, I'm RoseWippich, wishing you a journey
filled with love, laughter andendless possibilities.
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