November 11, 2025 • 42 mins
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We trace a clear path from daily life to the life between lives and show how hypnosis can safely open that space. The result is practical: less fear, more perspective, and a steadier grip on purpose.
• what life between lives is and why it matters
• how mind exploration leads to spiritual insight
• pre-birth planning and soul group agreements
• Michael Newton’s methods and key discoveries
• practical hypnosis techniques to meet guides
• the roller coaster metaphor for Earth school
• NDE reflections on reality and clarity
• why sessions bring calm, not fear
• a client story that reframes death
• integrating insights for daily choices
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
We are online.
So we have lots of snow here.
We had family over the weekendtoday because of a snowstorm.
So we didn't do a podcastyesterday, but that's all right.
But it seems to be a nice day.
It seems it doesn't look toocrunchy out there, right?
Is it crunchy snow?
SPEAKER_01 (00:14):
No.
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It's not very cold.
SPEAKER_01 (00:16):
It's not cold enough to be crunchy, but it's below
zero, so everything's freezing.
SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
Oh my god, on the east coast, it's 15 degrees.
What are we doing?
SPEAKER_01 (00:25):
Lucky duckies.
SPEAKER_00 (00:26):
No snow.
SPEAKER_01 (00:27):
Lucky duckies.
It feels it feels like winterhere.
It's got every sign, symptom,view, feeling, temperature to be
winter here.
SPEAKER_00 (00:37):
It is like January here.
But anyway, today we are goingto chat about something that we
don't often talk about here onthe podcast, but funnily enough,
is the highest viewed orlistened to podcast of ours
across the board.
And that's about the lifebetween life between lives.
SPEAKER_01 (00:58):
And with any client that we do, you know, really
committed work with, we alwaysend up there.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
It's always part of our our program with clients.
They always end up there doingwork between lives.
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:11):
Off to the other side, as I say.
SPEAKER_00 (01:13):
Yeah, let's let's skip over to the other side.
SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
Yeah.
Go to the other side today.
SPEAKER_00 (01:18):
Yeah, it's pretty inevitable considering hypnosis.
I mean, I don't think you canreally with customized hypnosis,
say you you're not just doingsuggestion-based in the chair
talking at them for a certainamount of time.
I feel like if it's kind ofinevitable to have the clients
start to know that they are morethan just this body and feel it,
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right?
We've had clients that theydon't even know about the life
between and we don't push themthere at all.
But eventually they start to diptheir toes in without our uh our
saying, you know, go there.
So that's always fascinating.
SPEAKER_01 (01:58):
Yeah, I think I think for a lot of people, the
exploration of their mindbecomes the exploration of
spirit.
It's impossible, I think, to seeyourself the same once you've
started to explore your mind.
Oh no.
Sorry.
You know, I listen to, you know,people have heard of Sam Harris,
a psychologist who reallypromotes meditation.
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And it's amazing how spiritualhe can be now when he speaks.
He's been on this meditationjourney for a long time.
And, you know, it's not foranybody to describe
spirituality.
I guess for me, it's reached apoint.
Even yesterday I was sitting,and I was having a really hard
time separating an old concept.
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I learned this concept years andyears ago in in university when
I was studying early Christianhistory, Christianity, theology,
things like that.
There is no division betweenwhat is sacred and what is
profane.
That's what the words we alwaysused.
That the that religion,spirituality was a pursuit of
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the sacred, and the opposite wasthat which was profane, earthly,
human.
SPEAKER_00 (03:08):
Oh, can you say is it's not profane, not like
profane words, like like yeah,like a profanity.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (03:17):
So I guess what I'm driving at, and I'm I'm getting
at is that when you start toexplore your mind and you start
to see its role in creating yourreality, first and just in terms
of your interpretations, on themost practical level, your mind
interprets what's going onaround you, it interprets how
you feel, it interprets whatother people say and do.
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Interpretation is an act of themind.
And we realize that just oninterpretation alone, I can
change my interpretations ofthings and have a very different
experience in my life.
And then when I start to exploremy mind with things like deep
hypnosis and meditation, I startto discover the depth to who I
really am.
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And when that's pursued further,you start to discover your
connection to everything andeveryone.
And we start to talk about thatas if it's spirituality, but
it's just the truth of the fullexpanse of who you are, right?
It's a very personalizedanecdotal study, so we can't
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call it scientific, but it'svery much got methods.
We very much try to repeat it.
We try to do the same practicesto have the same experiences or
similar experiences.
You know, I'm just like I'mhaving a hard time separating
that which is scientific fromthat which is spiritual.
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I'm having a hard timeseparating that which is sacred,
holy, beautiful, wonderful, fromthat which is profane, which is
earthly and human and, you know,sometimes dark.
And I see it all as a continuum.
And once you start reallyexploring your mind is my point,
you uh you are automatically ledinto a study of these things
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that you might otherwise callspiritual.
There is an enormous aspect ofwho and what we are that is not
tangible, that is not physical.
And the pursuit of your mind inyour mind, about your mind,
about the presence behind yourmind, the decision maker, the
choice maker, that pursuit canbe perceived as a spiritual one,
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easily labeled that way, andspiritual-oriented people will
call it that.
But it's really just theexploration of who you really
are.
It's really quite practical.
This is who you are.
You are an enormous mind.
And if you weren't so totallyfocused on your physical body
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every day, trapped in thedemands that this physical world
places upon you just forsurvival, you would easily
discover this.
And, you know, I want to do awhole course on this because
this is busting the matrixstuff, right?
This is this is the really bigpicture.
I don't want to live my life asa body, as somebody else's
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slave, kind of thing.
This is, I want to know who Ireally am, and I want to fulfill
my destiny and be the fullauthentic self that I can be.
I know I've gotten really bigreally fast.
These are big ideas really fast.
But for me, I wanted to pointout that typically we see as a
dichotomy that which is earthlyand that which is spiritual.
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And what they really are isplaces along the same continuum
of experience and that theexperience of your greater self,
the experience of your higherself sits there waiting for you.
Sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (06:53):
No, I that was a bit of a rant.
So we have a question here.
What is life between lives?
And that that's a normal, Iguess that's a good segue into
that question.
You know, what what is it thatwe're talking about here?
What is life between lives?
And so, you know, uh in ourworld, uh the life between lives
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is the place that your soul,that your consciousness uh
resides, let's say, betweenincarnation or incarnate
incarnation incarnating.
And it's where we apparentlyfrom studies or plan these lives
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that we live out.
It's where we are with our soulgroups, the other souls, the
other consciousness that we hangout with in lifetime sometimes.
And it's really where we feel athome, I think.
At least that's what comesthrough through regressions.
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And I don't even know.
I wrote Life Between LivesRegression.
When you think about there beingno time, I can't wrap my head
around this yet, but the theidea of time really not
existing.
I'm not so sure it's aregression.
Sometimes I think it's us doingit in the moment as if we're
little time travelers, but it'sall in the moment, in the
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present moment, going into thelife between.
Even when we look at pre-birthplanning, the idea again that we
plan these lives that we'reliving and going to the
pre-birth planning placespecifically, looking at, well,
why did I set that up formyself?
Right?
What was I even thinking?
And those souls along ourjourney that some of the souls
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that we feel hurt by the most.
And, you know, this is I know Iknow when I say this, it kind of
gets under the skin of a lot ofpeople.
And I understand why, but thosesouls are sometimes our closest
soul group souls that that signup and say, okay, yeah, I'll
I'll help you with that.
It sucks, but I'll help you withthat because I love you.
(09:00):
Oh, I I we could go down arabbit hole there.
But yeah, it's it's this placewhere we travel the universe, we
have other lives on otherplanets where we are closer to
that vibration of consciousness,of pure consciousness.
Sometimes we don't even havephysical form.
And that's another note.
This is another this is theplace where we don't have that
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physical form.
We have exited Earth and we aregoing to that place in between,
right?
Life between lives.
And what do we do there?
Tons of stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (09:35):
So there's a there's a hundred million zillion ways
to approach this, and it reallydepends on your level of
experience or or exploration atthis point.
I mean, because it's it'ssomething that if you're
interested, if you ask thequestion, who am I really?
If you ask the question, what isthe nature of this life?
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What is my purpose?
Who am I really?
You know, what are we here for?
If you ask these kinds ofquestions, you're going to be
led to these kinds of answers.
I, uh, a friend who was astudent of mine, and she just
happened to post on one of hersocial medias that she read this
(10:19):
book by a guy named MichaelNewton called The Journey of
Souls.
And I thought, oh, that soundsinteresting.
And it got my attention.
And when things get yourattention, that's for a reason.
That's your higher self-seen,yeah, that's one.
Go after that.
And and I read that book, andthen I read the second book, The
Destiny of Souls.
And then I had a third book,which was a collection of
(10:40):
essays, and I read that book,and then he had a book on the
hypnotic technique of takingpeople into life between lives,
and so I read that book.
And at that point, I was prettyexcited about it, and I went for
my own hypnosis journey so manyyears ago, and my hypnotist
Peggy took me there verybriefly.
(11:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
To to the the blue mist, to theto Bardo, to what there's all
kinds of words for it, right?
You know, somebody calls it thefront hall, other people call it
the doorway, other people callit the foyer.
Doesn't really matter what youcall it.
SPEAKER_00 (11:19):
The vestibule.
SPEAKER_01 (11:20):
Right?
The vestibule.
There's so many words for it,but that's the place where you
can go interact.
And when people come in, that'swhere they start.
And when people go out, that'swhere they leave.
And this is just a word forthat.
Anyway, so Michael Newton was ahypnotist, a psychpsychiatrist
who used hypnosis as part of histherapeutic process with his
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counseling client.
And over the years, he found,you know, you read this at the
beginning of his of his book.
He found that regression therapywas very valuable.
Past life regression was veryvaluable.
He wasn't convinced that pastlife regression was actually to
previous lives.
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He he did it anyway because hebelieved it was therapeutic.
He saw the therapeutic benefits.
So he didn't worry about whetheror not somebody actually had
that life where they had thatname and they had that life
experience.
He was more focused on how thatled them to the resolution of
present-day issues.
And and yeah, it was very uhhelpful in their own thriving.
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So he did it.
And then one day he tooksomebody forward from a past
life.
And instead of, he had assumedthat you just go from life to
life to life.
And instead of saying, Now let'sgo on to your next life, he
said, now let's just moveforward.
And then the person foundthemselves from their death.
So he took them from their deathscene and he said, Let's move
forward, anticipating that theywould move forward into their
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next life.
And more specifically, heanticipated they'd move into
their present life because hewas trying to tie the therapy
together from the past life tothe present life.
And he said, Now let's moveforward in time.
And the person just moved intothe life between lives.
And that's when he discoveredthat you can hypnotically take
people there and that they canhave complete higher mind
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experiences of this place.
Now I'm going to jump from thatto a different story.
Forgive me for battling, but Ithis is the way it works in my
mind.
So I had been learning aboutnear-death experiences for
years.
I've been paying attention tolife between lives stuff.
I was already had my own pastlife regressions and was very
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aware that I didn't start here.
I'm not ending here.
I am not this body.
I am using this body.
I am not this personality.
I'm just using this personalityand experiencing this
personality, that there's moreto me than all of this.
And I was already reallycomfortable with that.
And I was on a plane, I washeaded to on a flight from
Calgary to Kelowna.
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And I got on the plane and I wasthe last one aboard, as it would
turn out.
And there was only one seatleft, as fortuity would have it.
So I sat in that seat, andbeside me was a guy reading a
Nick.hahn book, a Buddhist book.
And I sat down and I gotcomfortable.
And he's reading the book andlooking out the window.
And I just said, So, what do youthink of that book?
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Because I had just recently readit.
And he's and he didn't even gointo the book.
He said, Well, you know, I'vegot a weird way of looking at
things because I died.
Oh.
And of course, I'm sureeverybody around us on the plane
perked up, but for me, that wasjust like, Yes, right.
I get to meet somebody who had anear-death experience.
SPEAKER_00 (14:40):
And you had already read these books that you talked
about before.
SPEAKER_01 (14:43):
I'd read these books before I talked about.
I was already very, verycomfortable in the idea of, you
know, the other side and thelimited nature and and the
limited nature of this life thatwe're in, this incarnation,
which of course absorbs uscompletely.
I mean, there's really nothingelse.
There's a reason why when wecome here, we forget everything
else, so that we can becompletely absorbed in this.
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But anyway, I just said, I wantto know.
Talk to me.
And he told me the story of hewas he fell in a lake in the
middle of winter and he died,and he went to the other side,
and then he came back, andeverything had changed at that
point, including his ownintuitive abilities.
And although he was an artist,his art became something
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otherworldly and really lovelyman to meet and talk to.
He's got a video on Vimeo.
It's not on YouTube, or at leastI haven't found it on YouTube.
But if you search Jeremy'snear-death experience on Vimeo,
you'd probably find him.
Anyway, we had a lovelyconversation about that.
And there's a whole bunch ofthings I remember from the
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conversation, but the criticalpart that I remember, and so
when people talk to me aboutlife between lives, I take this
quote from Jeremy.
And Jeremy said, first quote, hesaid, it's more real over there.
And I said, You mean like it'smore intense?
He said, no, it's just more realand clear.
And so every once in a while Ihave these experiences while I'm
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living my life, and I sort offeel kind of foggy and I feel
disoriented and I feeldisconnected.
And I think on the other side,you know, he just said things
look and feel more real.
Second thing he said was, thisis the commercial, right?
Referring to these lives.
This is the commercial.
On the other side, that's themovie.
SPEAKER_00 (16:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:32):
And we discussed that.
But the idea that he had said tome was basically, your true
nature is over there.
That's what this is all reallyabout.
These are little side trips intoexperience to advance you on the
other side.
That your principal nature, themovie, the critical story, is on
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the other side.
SPEAKER_00 (16:53):
Sorry to interject here.
I I work with a lot of peopleand I see a lot of people that
say to themselves and say incomments on on spiritual TikToks
or or YouTube's or reels of allkinds, I never want to come back
here.
Like, why do I come back here?
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Not coming back here.
And what I say to that, I don'tcomment on every single one of
them, but I definitely try tohelp my clients with it at
least, is that when you're overthere, imagine knowing in your
in your being that that is home,like that you know that that's
home.
So when you think of having alifetime, you remember, yeah,
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I'm gonna come back, right?
Of course I'm coming back.
We just forget in these lives,right?
So, of course, as a soul, you'regonna go, oh yeah, that's just a
blip.
That's a few seconds of alifetime, right?
And so we we go on thesejourneys because we know we're
coming back.
We remember.
SPEAKER_01 (17:54):
Over there we remember.
Over here we don't remember.
SPEAKER_00 (17:56):
We don't remember.
SPEAKER_01 (17:57):
And so it's it's kind of normal to get pissed
off.
SPEAKER_00 (18:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:02):
So yeah, I think I I always in my mind picture a
roller coaster.
And I've taken lots of my kids,and when I worked at a group
home, I took lots of kids ontoroller coaster.
And roller coasters are a ton offun for some people, they're not
a ton of fun because they reallyget honestly scared.
SPEAKER_00 (18:25):
Like me.
SPEAKER_01 (18:26):
The experience is one of holy crap, I'm gonna die.
Right?
It's really legitimately fearfulthat something bad might happen.
And I picture that meme thatwe've all seen where there's one
person sitting on the rollercoaster and they're squirreled
down in the corner with theireyes bugging out of their head,
a scream half out of theirmouth, just recoiled against it
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all.
And beside them is somebody elsewho's got their head tilted
back, their mouth is open,laughing, their arms are up in
the air, they're trying toenhance the craziness of the
experience because they knowthat they're not at risk.
Yeah.
They know that nothing badactually will happen because
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they know that it's just ashort-term being tossed around.
So there are people who loveroller coasters and they put
their arms up in the air andthey try to do everything they
can to increase the amount thatthey're affected by the actual
roller coaster because they knowdeep down, absolutely for sure,
there's nothing at risk here.
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There's no way I'm getting hurt,there's no way I'm gonna die,
there's nothing bad gonnahappen.
I'm just being tossed around.
So, this is the essential natureof forgetting when you come into
these bodies.
When you come into these bodies,you absolutely forget that there
even is another.
And because you forget, andeverybody around you forgets,
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everybody through hypnosis andauthority and all these ways we
affect the subconscious mind, weconvince each other that there
is no other side.
We even take people who think,well, there might be another
side, and we wag our finger atthem and say, don't talk
foolishly.
And then we sometimes grab thesepeople and put them into
religions that talk about heavenand hell, and that there's gonna
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be judgment, and you could go tohell.
So don't mess this up.
And here's the things you do tomess it up, and here's the
things you do to do it right.
And if you just do these things,then your fear of going to hell
is gonna be assuaged and you'regonna be okay.
And this is this is a collectivehypnosis that we are not
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something more than thesebodies.
SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
That that idea of the roller coaster, there's a
great meme out there with theperson having so much fun, and
then the person right next tothem in terror, and there's a
little words beside each person.
One is my spirit guide, the onehaving fun, and then the one in
terror is me.
And I I I think that's a niceintro for us to go into our
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guidance system, our guides inthe life between.
We meet our guides, or manypeople meet our their guides in
hypnosis, when they die, comeback.
SPEAKER_01 (21:15):
Yeah, so I think before we step there, let's
start to the process.
The process is hypnosis, it'sstill an a deep induction.
We're going for a really deepinduction.
We set really clear intentionsbefore we begin.
Because remember, MichaelNewton, when he first did it, it
was because he didn't have aclear intention of what he was
doing, and he tripped upon it.
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So I always, first of all, set avery clear intention that we're
gonna go, that when we getthere, we're gonna ask
permission.
Yeah.
Because for some people, it'snot part of their growth path,
it's not what's best for themright now, it's not the most
useful thing.
For some people, it's absolutelythe next step.
And from my experience inhypnosis, that usually after
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three or four, or sometimes fiveor six sessions, it is
inevitable that we need to go tothe other side and expand the
human mind into understandingthat they're a whole lot more
than this body having thisparticular life.
But we ask permission, and Ihave had one occasion where we
were told no.
But I think it's just a youknow, a good check-in.
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And then we have differenttechniques.
That there's techniques whereyou go to a past life and then
you move from the past life intothe life between lives.
I use a technique, I just callit the bridge.
We just cross the bridge, right?
With the intention that we'regoing to experience that, we
cross a bridge.
There are other techniques thatpeople use.
What are the techniques you use?
SPEAKER_00 (22:42):
I will have them go to a beautiful place of their
construction.
And sometimes I'll be guided touse the bridge, but many more
times I'm guided to just havethe orbs or the visuals or even
the feelings of guides coming tothem.
First creating a space of higheruh vibration, almost like a like
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a pyramid around them or a bigorb of safety.
Not that they're not safe, butit is it is good to sort of set
the space, set the tone forhighest beings to come through.
And then bringing through those,um, whether it's visual or or
feeling, but just asking fortheir guides or their higher
self to come forward, stepforward.
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The one that I've seen work themost, and I don't know if this
just is just because we canreally put ourselves there, is
being on a beach and seeingbeings walking towards us.
That one seems to work reallywell.
SPEAKER_01 (23:44):
So, yeah, I mean, however we get the client over
to the other side, then it'sabout meeting whoever you're
meant to meet.
I've had clients meet all kindsof different people.
I've had them meet one, I've hadthem meet five or ten, I've had
them meet their personal guides,I've had them meet people from
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that have passed on.
There is no sort of limit to whomight come to meet you.
And I'm going to always assumethat, well, yeah, it's a really
safe assumption that whensomeone's sitting in my hypnosis
chair, their guides are presentto them, and their guides will
coordinate what is best for themin that moment.
And typically, when when I dothat invitation of whoever's
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going to come forward, I takethem across the bridge and they
see, um, when they're across thebridge, they just naturally see
like thousands and thousands oflights, and those lights are
moving around, and those arebeing.
And we call out to the ones thatare meant to meet us, and we
find some of these lights comingforward.
And sometimes those lights, whenthey identify themselves, are
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very much attached to theperson, and sometimes they're
very authoritarian and separate.
I don't like that word, but butnot always active in the
person's sphere, in their life,in their in their overall
groupings on the other side.
But anyway, whoever comesforward comes forward, and
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they're coming forward for apurpose.
And then I just at that pointfacilitate conversation between
and then ask, is there any placeyou're taking us today?
Because I I I at that point Ihand it over.
It's it's very much holyexperience again, separating the
sacred from the divine, I getsacred from the profane.
I consider it to be a higherexperience, and I I'm always
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learning about the other side.
More importantly, I'm learningabout the difference everyone
has in their experience of theother side.
But then from there, we justfollow uh for me.
I just follow instructions.
I'm always in conversation withthe guide through the person in
the chair as to what do we donext, and then whatever comes to
me in terms of questions orwhatever comes to me in terms of
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resolution for the person in thechair, I follow those instincts.
Yeah.
So that's the hypnoticexperience.
SPEAKER_00 (26:08):
And I think it's just dawning on me right now.
I think it's safe to say thatpeople, when you take people
through life between lives, it'salmost like a random experience
in a session, or you're giventhe idea of going there before
the person comes to you a lot ofthe time.
And for me, people sign upspecifically for a life between
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lives session.
So what's interesting here is,and I I like to take what Les is
doing and apply it to mysessions is my sessions are very
much about, okay, what questionsdo you want to ask, right?
Write out before the session,write out 10 to 15 questions you
want to ask your higher self oror uh guides.
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And so we go through thequestions as as many as we can,
but I really like your idea whenit's random.
Not that it doesn't happenrandomly for me, but I like your
idea of really letting them havethis back and forth
conversation, having it be veryintuitive.
I'm not sure if that's the rightword.
Yeah, does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01 (27:11):
Yeah.
I mean, I I think that yeah, youpoint out that for me, I don't
see it as possible to really doa full therapeutic, full
therapeutic satisfying hypnosisexperience without a number of
sessions and certainly with atsome point, usually the
culmination, is to go to theother side.
(27:32):
And sometimes it is, sometimesit's really spontaneous when I'm
working with a client that, youknow, it becomes really clear
they need to go to the otherside and we just do it.
And for me, it's always beensort of, although I've had, I
guess, one client come in andsay, I just want that.
Generally speaking, it's withinthe context of the larger
therapeutic journey that I workwith my client.
(27:55):
You promote that, you promoteyourself as facilitating that.
And so you draw to yourself, Ithink, a lot of people who have
who have lots of meditationexperience, even some hypnosis
experience, people with a lot ofspiritual pursuits.
You know, that I'm sure we'respeaking to some people who have
already read Michael Newton'sbooks and they're already there.
And so, you know, you promotetowards that.
(28:17):
And I guess, you know, to to uhto to just put a fine point on
it, I guess I just don't promoteas maybe I should.
SPEAKER_00 (28:24):
And maybe there's that should.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:26):
Maybe no shoulds.
Maybe we'd all like me to.
But the point is, is that yes,you can you can be on your own
spiritual pursuit and you canuse just this aspect of hypnosis
therapy to take you further onyour spiritual journey.
I mean, that's for me, hypnosishas always been a spiritual
journey.
SPEAKER_00 (28:44):
Yeah, I was thinking, I was thinking about
tomorrow, tomorrow's podcast,maybe sharing our spiritual
experiences, maybe one or twothat we've got logged in our
minds.
But we'll see.
We'll see tomorrow.
SPEAKER_01 (28:56):
So I know we're jumping around, but I'm hoping
that we're explaining thisbecause as much as you know,
some people just like hearingabout the woo-woo, I think some
people really want tounderstand, you know, I think it
can be intimidating.
If somebody said to me 25 yearsago, well, uh, there's this
thing called life between lives,and we can take you to the other
side, I think I'd be bothcurious and scared and confused.
(29:19):
And I've I have alwaysexperienced in my own mind the
power of my mind and thequestion that am I just creating
this?
Is this just fake?
Is this just me imagining?
I have such a good imagination,maybe that's what it is.
And and I want people to be ableto hear this and say, ah, this
is totally safe.
It can be done in a systematic,step by step way that leads you
(29:42):
there.
And if you're like alreadystanding on that doorstep
saying, Come on, I want thisexperience, we can also do it
that way.
And I want you to understandthat it is hypnosis, which is
nothing more than reducing theactivity of your mind so that
you can find.
Focus internally on your mind.
And this is where mind andspirit become one.
(30:06):
And you start to see yourself asyour true nature is mind.
And that you are mind in a body,not a body with a mind, right?
And you start to see yourselfdifferently.
And this to me is so importantbecause most of the horrible
things that we experience inthis world, most of the horrible
(30:27):
interpretations we put on thingsin this world get resolved when
we become aware of our truenature, which is not body, which
is not physical.
SPEAKER_00 (30:39):
We have a question here.
When we go there, is it just toreturn home?
How do we re how do wereincarnate again?
Interesting.
Yeah, that's an interestingquestion.
SPEAKER_01 (30:49):
That's a huge question.
That's a huge question.
Making coffee, sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (30:53):
Les is making coffee.
So I'll I'll I'll go over some.
From what comes through insessions, it is sort of like a
return from an adventure ofexpansion.
So as the soul, we are as thehigher self, as consciousness,
pure consciousness, we want toexpand in different lifetimes.
(31:16):
Sometimes those lifetimes areheavy on the word expansion, or
sometimes they're lighter.
For example, Earth is a heavy onexpansion, and there are some
planets that people talk aboutthat are lighter on expansion.
They're more like, well, let'sgo to Mexico and sit in the sun
(31:38):
for a whole lifetime, right?
Like it's it's all light, it'sall vibration, it is the veil is
not really there, the veil thatsort of cuts us off and makes us
feel separated.
So they're what we would maybesay easy lives where we can sort
of dip in and out anytime wewant.
So imagine a planet.
(31:59):
This one comes up a lot,actually.
Imagine a planet that is purecrystals.
The mind perceives and hypnosisthat there's cities made of
crystals.
The whole planet is made ofcrystals, and we are pure
vibration amongst thosecrystals.
And we can be there, we can notbe there, we can be on the
(32:20):
crystal planet, we can go backquote unquote home for a few
moments, and we can justexperience that vibration.
And the word healing comes to mefor that planet.
It comes up a lot.
It's like a place of rest and aplace of relaxation and a place
of peace for when we've beengoing to these other planets
(32:40):
that are more physical.
So I'm not so sure it's just toreturn home when we go, when we
go there.
SPEAKER_01 (32:47):
Ask me, ask the qu read the question again.
SPEAKER_00 (32:49):
Yeah, when we go there, is it just to return
home?
Do you mean in a session orafter this life is done?
SPEAKER_01 (32:56):
So so when when we're doing it in a session,
it's really about an experiencethat is that is permitted of
your more of your higher self,of the reasons why you decided
to come and do this.
Sometimes it's very therapeuticto be reminded that you're on a
roller coaster, that you'regonna be okay, that you came
(33:17):
here to have that crazy, fearfulexperience, and you're gonna be
okay.
And here's what you need tofocus on.
And no, I've never had theexperience that the guides
didn't have a lot of verycalming guidance to offer.
They always had very calmingwords and ideas that they share
(33:38):
with the hypnosis subject whocomes out of that trance feeling
such incredible peace andawareness and comfort.
Not like everything's fixed,because this is not a place
where things get fixed, but verymuch that they understand what
they're here to do, how theyshould approach this experience,
(33:58):
and how to be generally happierand more effective in the
experience that they choked.
And that's the that's the endresult.
So we go there.
It's like a reset, it's like areminder, it's like somebody
lovingly and calmly saying,Don't worry, you're gonna be
fine.
And it it, you know, it's allimportant.
(34:18):
It's important that you do thebest you can, but it doesn't
matter.
You're not, you're not gonna goto hell and you're not gonna
cause the world to end, andyou're not going to hurt other
people.
You're here doing your thing,it's all fine.
And that therapeutically is whywe do it.
On the larger picture of, youknow, do we return there?
(34:39):
Well, there's a lot that hasbeen explored.
Um, you know, Michael Newton wasthe first, but there are a lot
of hypnotists out there whospecialize in this.
And there's a lot of hypnotistsout there who are doing their
own exploration of the otherside, using their clients and
subjects in hypnosis tounderstand better, you know,
(35:01):
what's going on on the otherside.
And in terms of reincarnation,you're going to, well, it's
important to realize that youare so much more than this
incarnation now.
You are not this body, you arenot this person, you are having
the experience of this body andthis person, but you're not
(35:21):
having, you're not having justone of these.
You're having, yeah, literallyhundreds and thousands.
Typically, you know, what I'velearned is the people who come
to this dimension, this planet,Earth, as it as it were, Gaia,
as it were, people who come heregenerally commit to coming here
(35:42):
a lot.
They commit to have a series oflives here.
I think it's because, in part,it's really hard to get
comfortable here.
It takes a few lifetimes to getcomfortable, and that also the
progress here is slower butmeaningful.
And it's a collective progress.
You know, we've all read andheard lots about how we think
(36:03):
the world is evolving.
This is a collective thing.
You can have incarnations onother planets, and just imagine
as we started, if you wereincarnated on a planet that has
a whole different spiritualapproach and has more of the
memory of who they really areand shares that with babies, for
lack of a better word, the newpeople who are born into these
(36:25):
worlds, they're beinghypnotized, they're being
trained, they're from theinstant they're infants and
becoming accustomed to thatincarnation, their parents,
their community, they'rereminding them that they're an
eternal soul and that they aregoing to be fine and that
they're just having anexperience and that they're
(36:47):
there to learn something.
And imagine if we were all bornand that was the message we got
from our parents.
Instead of the message of, look,the world's a hard place and you
got to take care of yourself andwatch out.
Don't touch that, don't do that,don't go there.
Sit down, don't say that.
You know, if you didn't, if youhad an experience of you're
safe, everything's fine, you'reloved, you'll always be loved.
(37:09):
We're loving you.
You are you're completely andtotally safe.
You'd have a completelydifferent personality, right?
So I think it's important torealize that there are a
multitude of life experiencepossibilities when it comes to
incarnating in differentdimensions, in different worlds,
in different universes, to haveall of that possible.
(37:33):
And you choose over and over,for the sake of your own growth
as an eternal being, that you'regoing to make a commitment to
this Gaia plague, this earthplate, and you're going to keep
coming back, incarnating underthe terms of forgetfulness and I
suppose kind of a chaos.
And you're making your way backto a higher understanding, which
(37:55):
is why so much of what's helpfulin this world is considered
therapeutic, and why so manytherapies, no matter what, the
really effective ones, all seemto focus on your mind and on
your energy and on your overallhealth, not on specific.
There's a babble if there everwas one.
SPEAKER_00 (38:15):
Does that answer the question?
Perfect.
So yeah, life between lives.
It's fascinating.
It for some, it can be a littlefreaky.
Usually after a session, thewords are that was weird.
And that was weird for me isalways great.
It's never a bad thing.
(38:37):
Yeah, I think it's it's liketelling me that the person went
into an awe state.
SPEAKER_01 (38:42):
A state of wonder.
SPEAKER_00 (38:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:43):
Yeah.
Nobody ever comes out of one ofthese sessions saying, Oh my
god, I'm scared, I'm upset.
That was that was terrifying.
That's never the reaction.
The reaction is always that it'scalming, that it's therapeutic,
that it's helpful.
Yeah, yeah.
But this these sessions alwaysresult in a sense of peace.
That brings us full circle.
SPEAKER_00 (39:04):
Yeah, well, I I'm gonna leave off with I'm gonna
leave off with a client.
He wouldn't mind me saying this.
And I've said this on a numberof podcasts.
This is a little client story.
So he came in for his sleep tosleep better.
And in one of his sessions, it'sa six-session program, and I
think it was around maybe thefifth session or fourth session.
(39:26):
He randomly dropped into themoment of separation.
So the very first separationfrom source, from God, from from
consciousness.
I'm not sure.
From oneness.
From oneness.
This is the very, very first,before any lifetime was lived.
This was the first separation.
(39:46):
And for him, and it's keep inmind it's different for
everybody, but for him, he hadthe experience of Mother Mary.
And he had the experience oflittle souls around him, almost
like kids, right?
Separating and then playing, butbeing scared and but comforted.
And the tears, I mean, oh mygod, the tears rolling down his
(40:06):
face, big, big tears.
Beautiful, beautiful, emotionalexperience.
And he left that session achanged person.
And the reason why I I he saidin his next session, I know I
came here for sleep to help withsleep, but now I'm not afraid of
death.
And that was that was beautiful,right?
(40:28):
That's that's probably why hishigher self sent him to me in
the first place, is to have thatexperience.
I truly believe that.
And then months later, or maybea year later, I think, I was in
the clinic saying bye to aclient, and I saw him walking
towards the the clinic doors,and he came in and he gave me a
big hug, and he just said, youknow, sort of, I'm changed.
(40:50):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
It still resonates with me.
So anyway, again, like thesesessions are transformative, I
think.
Transformative, and whatevercomes to you in the sessions is
is meant to come to you.
It's meant, you know, yourhigher self, your guides are all
working together.
You, right?
It's it's not up to themexactly.
(41:11):
It's up to all of you what youwind up experience anyway.
Like that was emotional for meat the time.
SPEAKER_01 (41:18):
Yeah, I think that is not uncommon, I think, for
all of us.
The moment we become aware thatthere's more to us than this
body, we start on a pathway thatleads us to uh going from the
the person on the roller coasterwho's afraid they're gonna die
to being the person on theroller coaster.
It's a journey and it takes allof us different amounts of time,
(41:41):
but we journey towards being theother one in the roller coaster
saying, Whoa, what a ride, whata good time.
I was never really ever at risk.
I was always taken care of.
SPEAKER_00 (41:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:53):
And I planned on doing this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so that's the value of lifebetween lives.
It's a reminder that this is thecommercial.
This is not who you really are,that our real story is on the
other side.
SPEAKER_00 (42:05):
Absolutely.
So thank you for joining us.
And for the most part, we golive Monday to Friday, 7 15 AM
Eastern Standard Time.
And if you haven't yet, join ourschool.
Link in the description or theshow notes.
Is there anything else you wantto say, Liz?
SPEAKER_01 (42:20):
Thanks for being here.
SPEAKER_00 (42:21):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Okay, have a beautiful day orevening wherever you are, and
we'll see you later.
We are online.
So we have lots of snow here.
We had family over the weekendtoday because of a snowstorm.
So we didn't do a podcastyesterday, but that's all right.
But it seems to be a nice day.
It seems it doesn't look toocrunchy out there, right?
Is it crunchy snow?
SPEAKER_01 (00:14):
No.
unknown (00:15):
It's not very cold.
SPEAKER_01 (00:16):
It's not cold enough to be crunchy, but it's below
zero, so everything's freezing.
SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
Oh my god, on the east coast, it's 15 degrees.
What are we doing?
SPEAKER_01 (00:25):
Lucky duckies.
SPEAKER_00 (00:26):
No snow.
SPEAKER_01 (00:27):
Lucky duckies.
It feels it feels like winterhere.
It's got every sign, symptom,view, feeling, temperature to be
winter here.
SPEAKER_00 (00:37):
It is like January here.
But anyway, today we are goingto chat about something that we
don't often talk about here onthe podcast, but funnily enough,
is the highest viewed orlistened to podcast of ours
across the board.
And that's about the lifebetween life between lives.
SPEAKER_01 (00:58):
And with any client that we do, you know, really
committed work with, we alwaysend up there.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
It's always part of our our program with clients.
They always end up there doingwork between lives.
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:11):
Off to the other side, as I say.
SPEAKER_00 (01:13):
Yeah, let's let's skip over to the other side.
SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
Yeah.
Go to the other side today.
SPEAKER_00 (01:18):
Yeah, it's pretty inevitable considering hypnosis.
I mean, I don't think you canreally with customized hypnosis,
say you you're not just doingsuggestion-based in the chair
talking at them for a certainamount of time.
I feel like if it's kind ofinevitable to have the clients
start to know that they are morethan just this body and feel it,
(01:42):
right?
We've had clients that theydon't even know about the life
between and we don't push themthere at all.
But eventually they start to diptheir toes in without our uh our
saying, you know, go there.
So that's always fascinating.
SPEAKER_01 (01:58):
Yeah, I think I think for a lot of people, the
exploration of their mindbecomes the exploration of
spirit.
It's impossible, I think, to seeyourself the same once you've
started to explore your mind.
Oh no.
Sorry.
You know, I listen to, you know,people have heard of Sam Harris,
a psychologist who reallypromotes meditation.
(02:20):
And it's amazing how spiritualhe can be now when he speaks.
He's been on this meditationjourney for a long time.
And, you know, it's not foranybody to describe
spirituality.
I guess for me, it's reached apoint.
Even yesterday I was sitting,and I was having a really hard
time separating an old concept.
(02:42):
I learned this concept years andyears ago in in university when
I was studying early Christianhistory, Christianity, theology,
things like that.
There is no division betweenwhat is sacred and what is
profane.
That's what the words we alwaysused.
That the that religion,spirituality was a pursuit of
(03:02):
the sacred, and the opposite wasthat which was profane, earthly,
human.
SPEAKER_00 (03:08):
Oh, can you say is it's not profane, not like
profane words, like like yeah,like a profanity.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (03:17):
So I guess what I'm driving at, and I'm I'm getting
at is that when you start toexplore your mind and you start
to see its role in creating yourreality, first and just in terms
of your interpretations, on themost practical level, your mind
interprets what's going onaround you, it interprets how
you feel, it interprets whatother people say and do.
(03:40):
Interpretation is an act of themind.
And we realize that just oninterpretation alone, I can
change my interpretations ofthings and have a very different
experience in my life.
And then when I start to exploremy mind with things like deep
hypnosis and meditation, I startto discover the depth to who I
really am.
(04:01):
And when that's pursued further,you start to discover your
connection to everything andeveryone.
And we start to talk about thatas if it's spirituality, but
it's just the truth of the fullexpanse of who you are, right?
It's a very personalizedanecdotal study, so we can't
(04:23):
call it scientific, but it'svery much got methods.
We very much try to repeat it.
We try to do the same practicesto have the same experiences or
similar experiences.
You know, I'm just like I'mhaving a hard time separating
that which is scientific fromthat which is spiritual.
(04:45):
I'm having a hard timeseparating that which is sacred,
holy, beautiful, wonderful, fromthat which is profane, which is
earthly and human and, you know,sometimes dark.
And I see it all as a continuum.
And once you start reallyexploring your mind is my point,
you uh you are automatically ledinto a study of these things
(05:07):
that you might otherwise callspiritual.
There is an enormous aspect ofwho and what we are that is not
tangible, that is not physical.
And the pursuit of your mind inyour mind, about your mind,
about the presence behind yourmind, the decision maker, the
choice maker, that pursuit canbe perceived as a spiritual one,
(05:32):
easily labeled that way, andspiritual-oriented people will
call it that.
But it's really just theexploration of who you really
are.
It's really quite practical.
This is who you are.
You are an enormous mind.
And if you weren't so totallyfocused on your physical body
(05:53):
every day, trapped in thedemands that this physical world
places upon you just forsurvival, you would easily
discover this.
And, you know, I want to do awhole course on this because
this is busting the matrixstuff, right?
This is this is the really bigpicture.
I don't want to live my life asa body, as somebody else's
(06:14):
slave, kind of thing.
This is, I want to know who Ireally am, and I want to fulfill
my destiny and be the fullauthentic self that I can be.
I know I've gotten really bigreally fast.
These are big ideas really fast.
But for me, I wanted to pointout that typically we see as a
dichotomy that which is earthlyand that which is spiritual.
(06:38):
And what they really are isplaces along the same continuum
of experience and that theexperience of your greater self,
the experience of your higherself sits there waiting for you.
Sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (06:53):
No, I that was a bit of a rant.
So we have a question here.
What is life between lives?
And that that's a normal, Iguess that's a good segue into
that question.
You know, what what is it thatwe're talking about here?
What is life between lives?
And so, you know, uh in ourworld, uh the life between lives
(07:14):
is the place that your soul,that your consciousness uh
resides, let's say, betweenincarnation or incarnate
incarnation incarnating.
And it's where we apparentlyfrom studies or plan these lives
(07:36):
that we live out.
It's where we are with our soulgroups, the other souls, the
other consciousness that we hangout with in lifetime sometimes.
And it's really where we feel athome, I think.
At least that's what comesthrough through regressions.
(07:56):
And I don't even know.
I wrote Life Between LivesRegression.
When you think about there beingno time, I can't wrap my head
around this yet, but the theidea of time really not
existing.
I'm not so sure it's aregression.
Sometimes I think it's us doingit in the moment as if we're
little time travelers, but it'sall in the moment, in the
(08:16):
present moment, going into thelife between.
Even when we look at pre-birthplanning, the idea again that we
plan these lives that we'reliving and going to the
pre-birth planning placespecifically, looking at, well,
why did I set that up formyself?
Right?
What was I even thinking?
And those souls along ourjourney that some of the souls
(08:40):
that we feel hurt by the most.
And, you know, this is I know Iknow when I say this, it kind of
gets under the skin of a lot ofpeople.
And I understand why, but thosesouls are sometimes our closest
soul group souls that that signup and say, okay, yeah, I'll
I'll help you with that.
It sucks, but I'll help you withthat because I love you.
(09:00):
Oh, I I we could go down arabbit hole there.
But yeah, it's it's this placewhere we travel the universe, we
have other lives on otherplanets where we are closer to
that vibration of consciousness,of pure consciousness.
Sometimes we don't even havephysical form.
And that's another note.
This is another this is theplace where we don't have that
(09:23):
physical form.
We have exited Earth and we aregoing to that place in between,
right?
Life between lives.
And what do we do there?
Tons of stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (09:35):
So there's a there's a hundred million zillion ways
to approach this, and it reallydepends on your level of
experience or or exploration atthis point.
I mean, because it's it'ssomething that if you're
interested, if you ask thequestion, who am I really?
If you ask the question, what isthe nature of this life?
(09:58):
What is my purpose?
Who am I really?
You know, what are we here for?
If you ask these kinds ofquestions, you're going to be
led to these kinds of answers.
I, uh, a friend who was astudent of mine, and she just
happened to post on one of hersocial medias that she read this
(10:19):
book by a guy named MichaelNewton called The Journey of
Souls.
And I thought, oh, that soundsinteresting.
And it got my attention.
And when things get yourattention, that's for a reason.
That's your higher self-seen,yeah, that's one.
Go after that.
And and I read that book, andthen I read the second book, The
Destiny of Souls.
And then I had a third book,which was a collection of
(10:40):
essays, and I read that book,and then he had a book on the
hypnotic technique of takingpeople into life between lives,
and so I read that book.
And at that point, I was prettyexcited about it, and I went for
my own hypnosis journey so manyyears ago, and my hypnotist
Peggy took me there verybriefly.
(11:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
To to the the blue mist, to theto Bardo, to what there's all
kinds of words for it, right?
You know, somebody calls it thefront hall, other people call it
the doorway, other people callit the foyer.
Doesn't really matter what youcall it.
SPEAKER_00 (11:19):
The vestibule.
SPEAKER_01 (11:20):
Right?
The vestibule.
There's so many words for it,but that's the place where you
can go interact.
And when people come in, that'swhere they start.
And when people go out, that'swhere they leave.
And this is just a word forthat.
Anyway, so Michael Newton was ahypnotist, a psychpsychiatrist
who used hypnosis as part of histherapeutic process with his
(11:43):
counseling client.
And over the years, he found,you know, you read this at the
beginning of his of his book.
He found that regression therapywas very valuable.
Past life regression was veryvaluable.
He wasn't convinced that pastlife regression was actually to
previous lives.
(12:04):
He he did it anyway because hebelieved it was therapeutic.
He saw the therapeutic benefits.
So he didn't worry about whetheror not somebody actually had
that life where they had thatname and they had that life
experience.
He was more focused on how thatled them to the resolution of
present-day issues.
And and yeah, it was very uhhelpful in their own thriving.
(12:28):
So he did it.
And then one day he tooksomebody forward from a past
life.
And instead of, he had assumedthat you just go from life to
life to life.
And instead of saying, Now let'sgo on to your next life, he
said, now let's just moveforward.
And then the person foundthemselves from their death.
So he took them from their deathscene and he said, Let's move
forward, anticipating that theywould move forward into their
(12:50):
next life.
And more specifically, heanticipated they'd move into
their present life because hewas trying to tie the therapy
together from the past life tothe present life.
And he said, Now let's moveforward in time.
And the person just moved intothe life between lives.
And that's when he discoveredthat you can hypnotically take
people there and that they canhave complete higher mind
(13:14):
experiences of this place.
Now I'm going to jump from thatto a different story.
Forgive me for battling, but Ithis is the way it works in my
mind.
So I had been learning aboutnear-death experiences for
years.
I've been paying attention tolife between lives stuff.
I was already had my own pastlife regressions and was very
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aware that I didn't start here.
I'm not ending here.
I am not this body.
I am using this body.
I am not this personality.
I'm just using this personalityand experiencing this
personality, that there's moreto me than all of this.
And I was already reallycomfortable with that.
And I was on a plane, I washeaded to on a flight from
Calgary to Kelowna.
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And I got on the plane and I wasthe last one aboard, as it would
turn out.
And there was only one seatleft, as fortuity would have it.
So I sat in that seat, andbeside me was a guy reading a
Nick.hahn book, a Buddhist book.
And I sat down and I gotcomfortable.
And he's reading the book andlooking out the window.
And I just said, So, what do youthink of that book?
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Because I had just recently readit.
And he's and he didn't even gointo the book.
He said, Well, you know, I'vegot a weird way of looking at
things because I died.
Oh.
And of course, I'm sureeverybody around us on the plane
perked up, but for me, that wasjust like, Yes, right.
I get to meet somebody who had anear-death experience.
SPEAKER_00 (14:40):
And you had already read these books that you talked
about before.
SPEAKER_01 (14:43):
I'd read these books before I talked about.
I was already very, verycomfortable in the idea of, you
know, the other side and thelimited nature and and the
limited nature of this life thatwe're in, this incarnation,
which of course absorbs uscompletely.
I mean, there's really nothingelse.
There's a reason why when wecome here, we forget everything
else, so that we can becompletely absorbed in this.
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But anyway, I just said, I wantto know.
Talk to me.
And he told me the story of hewas he fell in a lake in the
middle of winter and he died,and he went to the other side,
and then he came back, andeverything had changed at that
point, including his ownintuitive abilities.
And although he was an artist,his art became something
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otherworldly and really lovelyman to meet and talk to.
He's got a video on Vimeo.
It's not on YouTube, or at leastI haven't found it on YouTube.
But if you search Jeremy'snear-death experience on Vimeo,
you'd probably find him.
Anyway, we had a lovelyconversation about that.
And there's a whole bunch ofthings I remember from the
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conversation, but the criticalpart that I remember, and so
when people talk to me aboutlife between lives, I take this
quote from Jeremy.
And Jeremy said, first quote, hesaid, it's more real over there.
And I said, You mean like it'smore intense?
He said, no, it's just more realand clear.
And so every once in a while Ihave these experiences while I'm
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living my life, and I sort offeel kind of foggy and I feel
disoriented and I feeldisconnected.
And I think on the other side,you know, he just said things
look and feel more real.
Second thing he said was, thisis the commercial, right?
Referring to these lives.
This is the commercial.
On the other side, that's themovie.
SPEAKER_00 (16:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:32):
And we discussed that.
But the idea that he had said tome was basically, your true
nature is over there.
That's what this is all reallyabout.
These are little side trips intoexperience to advance you on the
other side.
That your principal nature, themovie, the critical story, is on
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the other side.
SPEAKER_00 (16:53):
Sorry to interject here.
I I work with a lot of peopleand I see a lot of people that
say to themselves and say incomments on on spiritual TikToks
or or YouTube's or reels of allkinds, I never want to come back
here.
Like, why do I come back here?
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Not coming back here.
And what I say to that, I don'tcomment on every single one of
them, but I definitely try tohelp my clients with it at
least, is that when you're overthere, imagine knowing in your
in your being that that is home,like that you know that that's
home.
So when you think of having alifetime, you remember, yeah,
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I'm gonna come back, right?
Of course I'm coming back.
We just forget in these lives,right?
So, of course, as a soul, you'regonna go, oh yeah, that's just a
blip.
That's a few seconds of alifetime, right?
And so we we go on thesejourneys because we know we're
coming back.
We remember.
SPEAKER_01 (17:54):
Over there we remember.
Over here we don't remember.
SPEAKER_00 (17:56):
We don't remember.
SPEAKER_01 (17:57):
And so it's it's kind of normal to get pissed
off.
SPEAKER_00 (18:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:02):
So yeah, I think I I always in my mind picture a
roller coaster.
And I've taken lots of my kids,and when I worked at a group
home, I took lots of kids ontoroller coaster.
And roller coasters are a ton offun for some people, they're not
a ton of fun because they reallyget honestly scared.
SPEAKER_00 (18:25):
Like me.
SPEAKER_01 (18:26):
The experience is one of holy crap, I'm gonna die.
Right?
It's really legitimately fearfulthat something bad might happen.
And I picture that meme thatwe've all seen where there's one
person sitting on the rollercoaster and they're squirreled
down in the corner with theireyes bugging out of their head,
a scream half out of theirmouth, just recoiled against it
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all.
And beside them is somebody elsewho's got their head tilted
back, their mouth is open,laughing, their arms are up in
the air, they're trying toenhance the craziness of the
experience because they knowthat they're not at risk.
Yeah.
They know that nothing badactually will happen because
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they know that it's just ashort-term being tossed around.
So there are people who loveroller coasters and they put
their arms up in the air andthey try to do everything they
can to increase the amount thatthey're affected by the actual
roller coaster because they knowdeep down, absolutely for sure,
there's nothing at risk here.
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There's no way I'm getting hurt,there's no way I'm gonna die,
there's nothing bad gonnahappen.
I'm just being tossed around.
So, this is the essential natureof forgetting when you come into
these bodies.
When you come into these bodies,you absolutely forget that there
even is another.
And because you forget, andeverybody around you forgets,
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everybody through hypnosis andauthority and all these ways we
affect the subconscious mind, weconvince each other that there
is no other side.
We even take people who think,well, there might be another
side, and we wag our finger atthem and say, don't talk
foolishly.
And then we sometimes grab thesepeople and put them into
religions that talk about heavenand hell, and that there's gonna
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be judgment, and you could go tohell.
So don't mess this up.
And here's the things you do tomess it up, and here's the
things you do to do it right.
And if you just do these things,then your fear of going to hell
is gonna be assuaged and you'regonna be okay.
And this is this is a collectivehypnosis that we are not
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something more than thesebodies.
SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
That that idea of the roller coaster, there's a
great meme out there with theperson having so much fun, and
then the person right next tothem in terror, and there's a
little words beside each person.
One is my spirit guide, the onehaving fun, and then the one in
terror is me.
And I I I think that's a niceintro for us to go into our
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guidance system, our guides inthe life between.
We meet our guides, or manypeople meet our their guides in
hypnosis, when they die, comeback.
SPEAKER_01 (21:15):
Yeah, so I think before we step there, let's
start to the process.
The process is hypnosis, it'sstill an a deep induction.
We're going for a really deepinduction.
We set really clear intentionsbefore we begin.
Because remember, MichaelNewton, when he first did it, it
was because he didn't have aclear intention of what he was
doing, and he tripped upon it.
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So I always, first of all, set avery clear intention that we're
gonna go, that when we getthere, we're gonna ask
permission.
Yeah.
Because for some people, it'snot part of their growth path,
it's not what's best for themright now, it's not the most
useful thing.
For some people, it's absolutelythe next step.
And from my experience inhypnosis, that usually after
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three or four, or sometimes fiveor six sessions, it is
inevitable that we need to go tothe other side and expand the
human mind into understandingthat they're a whole lot more
than this body having thisparticular life.
But we ask permission, and Ihave had one occasion where we
were told no.
But I think it's just a youknow, a good check-in.
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And then we have differenttechniques.
That there's techniques whereyou go to a past life and then
you move from the past life intothe life between lives.
I use a technique, I just callit the bridge.
We just cross the bridge, right?
With the intention that we'regoing to experience that, we
cross a bridge.
There are other techniques thatpeople use.
What are the techniques you use?
SPEAKER_00 (22:42):
I will have them go to a beautiful place of their
construction.
And sometimes I'll be guided touse the bridge, but many more
times I'm guided to just havethe orbs or the visuals or even
the feelings of guides coming tothem.
First creating a space of higheruh vibration, almost like a like
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a pyramid around them or a bigorb of safety.
Not that they're not safe, butit is it is good to sort of set
the space, set the tone forhighest beings to come through.
And then bringing through those,um, whether it's visual or or
feeling, but just asking fortheir guides or their higher
self to come forward, stepforward.
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The one that I've seen work themost, and I don't know if this
just is just because we canreally put ourselves there, is
being on a beach and seeingbeings walking towards us.
That one seems to work reallywell.
SPEAKER_01 (23:44):
So, yeah, I mean, however we get the client over
to the other side, then it'sabout meeting whoever you're
meant to meet.
I've had clients meet all kindsof different people.
I've had them meet one, I've hadthem meet five or ten, I've had
them meet their personal guides,I've had them meet people from
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that have passed on.
There is no sort of limit to whomight come to meet you.
And I'm going to always assumethat, well, yeah, it's a really
safe assumption that whensomeone's sitting in my hypnosis
chair, their guides are presentto them, and their guides will
coordinate what is best for themin that moment.
And typically, when when I dothat invitation of whoever's
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going to come forward, I takethem across the bridge and they
see, um, when they're across thebridge, they just naturally see
like thousands and thousands oflights, and those lights are
moving around, and those arebeing.
And we call out to the ones thatare meant to meet us, and we
find some of these lights comingforward.
And sometimes those lights, whenthey identify themselves, are
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very much attached to theperson, and sometimes they're
very authoritarian and separate.
I don't like that word, but butnot always active in the
person's sphere, in their life,in their in their overall
groupings on the other side.
But anyway, whoever comesforward comes forward, and
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they're coming forward for apurpose.
And then I just at that pointfacilitate conversation between
and then ask, is there any placeyou're taking us today?
Because I I I at that point Ihand it over.
It's it's very much holyexperience again, separating the
sacred from the divine, I getsacred from the profane.
I consider it to be a higherexperience, and I I'm always
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learning about the other side.
More importantly, I'm learningabout the difference everyone
has in their experience of theother side.
But then from there, we justfollow uh for me.
I just follow instructions.
I'm always in conversation withthe guide through the person in
the chair as to what do we donext, and then whatever comes to
me in terms of questions orwhatever comes to me in terms of
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resolution for the person in thechair, I follow those instincts.
Yeah.
So that's the hypnoticexperience.
SPEAKER_00 (26:08):
And I think it's just dawning on me right now.
I think it's safe to say thatpeople, when you take people
through life between lives, it'salmost like a random experience
in a session, or you're giventhe idea of going there before
the person comes to you a lot ofthe time.
And for me, people sign upspecifically for a life between
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lives session.
So what's interesting here is,and I I like to take what Les is
doing and apply it to mysessions is my sessions are very
much about, okay, what questionsdo you want to ask, right?
Write out before the session,write out 10 to 15 questions you
want to ask your higher self oror uh guides.
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And so we go through thequestions as as many as we can,
but I really like your idea whenit's random.
Not that it doesn't happenrandomly for me, but I like your
idea of really letting them havethis back and forth
conversation, having it be veryintuitive.
I'm not sure if that's the rightword.
Yeah, does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01 (27:11):
Yeah.
I mean, I I think that yeah, youpoint out that for me, I don't
see it as possible to really doa full therapeutic, full
therapeutic satisfying hypnosisexperience without a number of
sessions and certainly with atsome point, usually the
culmination, is to go to theother side.
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And sometimes it is, sometimesit's really spontaneous when I'm
working with a client that, youknow, it becomes really clear
they need to go to the otherside and we just do it.
And for me, it's always beensort of, although I've had, I
guess, one client come in andsay, I just want that.
Generally speaking, it's withinthe context of the larger
therapeutic journey that I workwith my client.
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You promote that, you promoteyourself as facilitating that.
And so you draw to yourself, Ithink, a lot of people who have
who have lots of meditationexperience, even some hypnosis
experience, people with a lot ofspiritual pursuits.
You know, that I'm sure we'respeaking to some people who have
already read Michael Newton'sbooks and they're already there.
And so, you know, you promotetowards that.
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And I guess, you know, to to uhto to just put a fine point on
it, I guess I just don't promoteas maybe I should.
SPEAKER_00 (28:24):
And maybe there's that should.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:26):
Maybe no shoulds.
Maybe we'd all like me to.
But the point is, is that yes,you can you can be on your own
spiritual pursuit and you canuse just this aspect of hypnosis
therapy to take you further onyour spiritual journey.
I mean, that's for me, hypnosishas always been a spiritual
journey.
SPEAKER_00 (28:44):
Yeah, I was thinking, I was thinking about
tomorrow, tomorrow's podcast,maybe sharing our spiritual
experiences, maybe one or twothat we've got logged in our
minds.
But we'll see.
We'll see tomorrow.
SPEAKER_01 (28:56):
So I know we're jumping around, but I'm hoping
that we're explaining thisbecause as much as you know,
some people just like hearingabout the woo-woo, I think some
people really want tounderstand, you know, I think it
can be intimidating.
If somebody said to me 25 yearsago, well, uh, there's this
thing called life between lives,and we can take you to the other
side, I think I'd be bothcurious and scared and confused.
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And I've I have alwaysexperienced in my own mind the
power of my mind and thequestion that am I just creating
this?
Is this just fake?
Is this just me imagining?
I have such a good imagination,maybe that's what it is.
And and I want people to be ableto hear this and say, ah, this
is totally safe.
It can be done in a systematic,step by step way that leads you
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there.
And if you're like alreadystanding on that doorstep
saying, Come on, I want thisexperience, we can also do it
that way.
And I want you to understandthat it is hypnosis, which is
nothing more than reducing theactivity of your mind so that
you can find.
Focus internally on your mind.
And this is where mind andspirit become one.
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And you start to see yourself asyour true nature is mind.
And that you are mind in a body,not a body with a mind, right?
And you start to see yourselfdifferently.
And this to me is so importantbecause most of the horrible
things that we experience inthis world, most of the horrible
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interpretations we put on thingsin this world get resolved when
we become aware of our truenature, which is not body, which
is not physical.
SPEAKER_00 (30:39):
We have a question here.
When we go there, is it just toreturn home?
How do we re how do wereincarnate again?
Interesting.
Yeah, that's an interestingquestion.
SPEAKER_01 (30:49):
That's a huge question.
That's a huge question.
Making coffee, sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (30:53):
Les is making coffee.
So I'll I'll I'll go over some.
From what comes through insessions, it is sort of like a
return from an adventure ofexpansion.
So as the soul, we are as thehigher self, as consciousness,
pure consciousness, we want toexpand in different lifetimes.
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Sometimes those lifetimes areheavy on the word expansion, or
sometimes they're lighter.
For example, Earth is a heavy onexpansion, and there are some
planets that people talk aboutthat are lighter on expansion.
They're more like, well, let'sgo to Mexico and sit in the sun
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for a whole lifetime, right?
Like it's it's all light, it'sall vibration, it is the veil is
not really there, the veil thatsort of cuts us off and makes us
feel separated.
So they're what we would maybesay easy lives where we can sort
of dip in and out anytime wewant.
So imagine a planet.
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This one comes up a lot,actually.
Imagine a planet that is purecrystals.
The mind perceives and hypnosisthat there's cities made of
crystals.
The whole planet is made ofcrystals, and we are pure
vibration amongst thosecrystals.
And we can be there, we can notbe there, we can be on the
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crystal planet, we can go backquote unquote home for a few
moments, and we can justexperience that vibration.
And the word healing comes to mefor that planet.
It comes up a lot.
It's like a place of rest and aplace of relaxation and a place
of peace for when we've beengoing to these other planets
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that are more physical.
So I'm not so sure it's just toreturn home when we go, when we
go there.
SPEAKER_01 (32:47):
Ask me, ask the qu read the question again.
SPEAKER_00 (32:49):
Yeah, when we go there, is it just to return
home?
Do you mean in a session orafter this life is done?
SPEAKER_01 (32:56):
So so when when we're doing it in a session,
it's really about an experiencethat is that is permitted of
your more of your higher self,of the reasons why you decided
to come and do this.
Sometimes it's very therapeuticto be reminded that you're on a
roller coaster, that you'regonna be okay, that you came
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here to have that crazy, fearfulexperience, and you're gonna be
okay.
And here's what you need tofocus on.
And no, I've never had theexperience that the guides
didn't have a lot of verycalming guidance to offer.
They always had very calmingwords and ideas that they share
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with the hypnosis subject whocomes out of that trance feeling
such incredible peace andawareness and comfort.
Not like everything's fixed,because this is not a place
where things get fixed, but verymuch that they understand what
they're here to do, how theyshould approach this experience,
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and how to be generally happierand more effective in the
experience that they choked.
And that's the that's the endresult.
So we go there.
It's like a reset, it's like areminder, it's like somebody
lovingly and calmly saying,Don't worry, you're gonna be
fine.
And it it, you know, it's allimportant.
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It's important that you do thebest you can, but it doesn't
matter.
You're not, you're not gonna goto hell and you're not gonna
cause the world to end, andyou're not going to hurt other
people.
You're here doing your thing,it's all fine.
And that therapeutically is whywe do it.
On the larger picture of, youknow, do we return there?
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Well, there's a lot that hasbeen explored.
Um, you know, Michael Newton wasthe first, but there are a lot
of hypnotists out there whospecialize in this.
And there's a lot of hypnotistsout there who are doing their
own exploration of the otherside, using their clients and
subjects in hypnosis tounderstand better, you know,
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what's going on on the otherside.
And in terms of reincarnation,you're going to, well, it's
important to realize that youare so much more than this
incarnation now.
You are not this body, you arenot this person, you are having
the experience of this body andthis person, but you're not
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having, you're not having justone of these.
You're having, yeah, literallyhundreds and thousands.
Typically, you know, what I'velearned is the people who come
to this dimension, this planet,Earth, as it as it were, Gaia,
as it were, people who come heregenerally commit to coming here
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a lot.
They commit to have a series oflives here.
I think it's because, in part,it's really hard to get
comfortable here.
It takes a few lifetimes to getcomfortable, and that also the
progress here is slower butmeaningful.
And it's a collective progress.
You know, we've all read andheard lots about how we think
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the world is evolving.
This is a collective thing.
You can have incarnations onother planets, and just imagine
as we started, if you wereincarnated on a planet that has
a whole different spiritualapproach and has more of the
memory of who they really areand shares that with babies, for
lack of a better word, the newpeople who are born into these
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worlds, they're beinghypnotized, they're being
trained, they're from theinstant they're infants and
becoming accustomed to thatincarnation, their parents,
their community, they'rereminding them that they're an
eternal soul and that they aregoing to be fine and that
they're just having anexperience and that they're
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there to learn something.
And imagine if we were all bornand that was the message we got
from our parents.
Instead of the message of, look,the world's a hard place and you
got to take care of yourself andwatch out.
Don't touch that, don't do that,don't go there.
Sit down, don't say that.
You know, if you didn't, if youhad an experience of you're
safe, everything's fine, you'reloved, you'll always be loved.
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We're loving you.
You are you're completely andtotally safe.
You'd have a completelydifferent personality, right?
So I think it's important torealize that there are a
multitude of life experiencepossibilities when it comes to
incarnating in differentdimensions, in different worlds,
in different universes, to haveall of that possible.
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And you choose over and over,for the sake of your own growth
as an eternal being, that you'regoing to make a commitment to
this Gaia plague, this earthplate, and you're going to keep
coming back, incarnating underthe terms of forgetfulness and I
suppose kind of a chaos.
And you're making your way backto a higher understanding, which
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is why so much of what's helpfulin this world is considered
therapeutic, and why so manytherapies, no matter what, the
really effective ones, all seemto focus on your mind and on
your energy and on your overallhealth, not on specific.
There's a babble if there everwas one.
SPEAKER_00 (38:15):
Does that answer the question?
Perfect.
So yeah, life between lives.
It's fascinating.
It for some, it can be a littlefreaky.
Usually after a session, thewords are that was weird.
And that was weird for me isalways great.
It's never a bad thing.
(38:37):
Yeah, I think it's it's liketelling me that the person went
into an awe state.
SPEAKER_01 (38:42):
A state of wonder.
SPEAKER_00 (38:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:43):
Yeah.
Nobody ever comes out of one ofthese sessions saying, Oh my
god, I'm scared, I'm upset.
That was that was terrifying.
That's never the reaction.
The reaction is always that it'scalming, that it's therapeutic,
that it's helpful.
Yeah, yeah.
But this these sessions alwaysresult in a sense of peace.
That brings us full circle.
SPEAKER_00 (39:04):
Yeah, well, I I'm gonna leave off with I'm gonna
leave off with a client.
He wouldn't mind me saying this.
And I've said this on a numberof podcasts.
This is a little client story.
So he came in for his sleep tosleep better.
And in one of his sessions, it'sa six-session program, and I
think it was around maybe thefifth session or fourth session.
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He randomly dropped into themoment of separation.
So the very first separationfrom source, from God, from from
consciousness.
I'm not sure.
From oneness.
From oneness.
This is the very, very first,before any lifetime was lived.
This was the first separation.
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And for him, and it's keep inmind it's different for
everybody, but for him, he hadthe experience of Mother Mary.
And he had the experience oflittle souls around him, almost
like kids, right?
Separating and then playing, butbeing scared and but comforted.
And the tears, I mean, oh mygod, the tears rolling down his
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face, big, big tears.
Beautiful, beautiful, emotionalexperience.
And he left that session achanged person.
And the reason why I I he saidin his next session, I know I
came here for sleep to help withsleep, but now I'm not afraid of
death.
And that was that was beautiful,right?
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That's that's probably why hishigher self sent him to me in
the first place, is to have thatexperience.
I truly believe that.
And then months later, or maybea year later, I think, I was in
the clinic saying bye to aclient, and I saw him walking
towards the the clinic doors,and he came in and he gave me a
big hug, and he just said, youknow, sort of, I'm changed.
(40:50):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
It still resonates with me.
So anyway, again, like thesesessions are transformative, I
think.
Transformative, and whatevercomes to you in the sessions is
is meant to come to you.
It's meant, you know, yourhigher self, your guides are all
working together.
You, right?
It's it's not up to themexactly.
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It's up to all of you what youwind up experience anyway.
Like that was emotional for meat the time.
SPEAKER_01 (41:18):
Yeah, I think that is not uncommon, I think, for
all of us.
The moment we become aware thatthere's more to us than this
body, we start on a pathway thatleads us to uh going from the
the person on the roller coasterwho's afraid they're gonna die
to being the person on theroller coaster.
It's a journey and it takes allof us different amounts of time,
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but we journey towards being theother one in the roller coaster
saying, Whoa, what a ride, whata good time.
I was never really ever at risk.
I was always taken care of.
SPEAKER_00 (41:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:53):
And I planned on doing this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so that's the value of lifebetween lives.
It's a reminder that this is thecommercial.
This is not who you really are,that our real story is on the
other side.
SPEAKER_00 (42:05):
Absolutely.
So thank you for joining us.
And for the most part, we golive Monday to Friday, 7 15 AM
Eastern Standard Time.
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Is there anything else you wantto say, Liz?
SPEAKER_01 (42:20):
Thanks for being here.
SPEAKER_00 (42:21):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Okay, have a beautiful day orevening wherever you are, and
we'll see you later.
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