November 22, 2024 • 36 mins
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Have you ever wondered if hypnosis is more than just a party trick or stage performance? Prepare to change your perspective as we unravel the truth behind hypnosis, revealing its true nature as a powerful tool for relaxation and self-improvement, rather than the mind-control myth it's often portrayed to be. This episode promises to transform your understanding of hypnosis by exploring its broad definition, experiential aspects, and induction methods, all while highlighting its endorsement by reputable organizations. By examining how hypnosis can shift from a feared concept to a life-enhancing experience, we focus on bringing choice and ethical practices to the forefront, emphasizing the collaborative and supportive nature of therapeutic hypnosis.
Throughout our conversation, we dispel common misconceptions and draw clear distinctions between stage and therapeutic hypnosis. Stage hypnosis relies on enthusiastic volunteers who seek the limelight, often misconstrued as mind control antics, whereas therapeutic hypnosis is about fostering positive personal change in a tranquil environment. We aim to redefine "suggestibility" and explore how hypnosis offers a natural state of relaxation that is increasingly rare in our fast-paced lives. From promoting personal choice without imposing lifestyles to creating intentional relaxation habits, our discussion invites you to see hypnosis as an opportunity for transformation, collaboration, and achieving personal goals.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Thank you.
This is our almost dailycommunity podcast about the mind
and how you might change it inthe most simple and helpful ways
.
Every day we sit staring at thelake and sipping our coffee,
having a chat about hypnosis andhow to make those meaningful
adjustments to our state of mind.
Because nothing is moreimportant than your state of
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mind.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Holy smokes, that was fast.
Gotta get going.
(01:08):
Gotta get going.
The weather report says cloudyday by the lake, but lots of
geese and ducks.
It's a shockingly warm day,isn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I outside, I know I got a jacket on us, just dandy,
just dandy, just dandy.
So today we're talking aboutthis, this idea of what exactly
is hypnosis.
It seems like a very broad idea.
We tried to do one yesterdayand we just thought, oh my gosh,
this is gonna be longer than wethink turn out to be another
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trilogy.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, yeah, it's.
Uh, it's a question that'svague and broad enough to make
it invite in all kinds ofconcepts, everything from how is
hypnosis defined by variousorganizations to really like how
do you experience it, what goeson and how do we induce it?
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How do we create it and how dowe induce it, how do we create
it and why is it so darnedeffective?
Out of everything that, it'sendorsed by the American Medical
Association and there's a wholedivision dedicated to the
American Psychiatric AssociationAmerican Psychiatric
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Association.
It is this thing that I thinkis often misunderstood,
misperceived, full of confusion.
Even the experts you know, I'llwatch YouTube videos and I'll
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watch information videos andI'll listen to some of the quote
unquote experts talk and Ithink you know, have you ever
been hypnotized?
Because you're not talking inthe terms that I would expect
you would.
So I just think there's justtons of misinformation out there
, well-intentioned, I'm notjudging anybody, but that's
worth.
It's worth considering.
We came to this because we weretrying to put stuff on the
website, right?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, we're thinking about making.
Well, we're not thinking aboutit, we're actually doing it
making little explainer videosfor the website so people don't
have to read and read and readyeah.
I think in this day and age,videos are good as long as
they're not too long.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And there's enough hypnotists out there with
websites that say all the samethings that, like we said, like
what is hypnosis?
That's such an enormousquestion.
So, yeah, this is our attemptto try to explain it.
We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Where do you want to start?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well, let's talk about what it's not.
I think that's a particularbugaboo for you.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I try not to let it be a bugaboo, but it I don't
know, just things I see outthere online, even from some
hypnotists.
Yeah, I just think what, oh God, like, in the grand scheme of
things, it doesn't make my lifeharder, but every day, I mean,
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you know it we're trying to helppeople go from Am I gonna clock
like a chicken?
To wow, this is wonderful, thisis life-changing.
I'm actually awake during thisand I'm deeply relaxed and I've
wow, I've never felt this typeof relaxation before.
This is great.
So we're trying to always bringthat awareness to everyone we
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encounter.
And these some people out there, including some hypnotists,
unfortunately make it market, itto be a mind control thing and
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persuasion be able to controlpeople with your persuasion and
I just think that is, I don'tknow, to me.
It's kind of unethical.
I don't know that's just me,though, I just think that's
unethical well, you know me, Ithat's exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
You know.
Some days I feel like it's mypurpose in life to just talk
about how life is lived bychoice.
Time may time it for you it may.
You may be able to say how longit took you to make a choice,
but the act of living is the actof making choices and doing
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things about those choices, andso when we're out there trying
to control the choices otherpeople make, I think we've
missed.
We've lost the script, we'vemissed the boat.
We're not understanding thenature of our lives.
There's very, very little in theworld that I know of you know
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that can't be accomplished withsomebody being creative and
curious and making a choice topursue something and then
inviting others to participatein it with them, so that the
people who feel interested andconnected to those activities or
accomplishments or goals oraspirations they find themselves
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quickly and easily joining inand then, as a team, as a
cooperative, as a collective,the collaboration that's
possible to accomplish enormouswonderful things.
The collaboration that'spossible to accomplish enormous
wonderful things.
And you never have to makesomebody right, you never have
to force somebody and forcingother people to live the way you
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live, because that makes youfeel safer, that makes you feel
more comfortable.
These are, these are the my, my, my issues, my bugaboos, my
reasons to get a little bitworked up.
And so for me, everything isabout promoting choice.
And promoting choice reallycomes, I believe, when you
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examine what is in your mindthat's interfering with your
choices.
So all the way back to thebeginning, now choices.
So all the way back to thebeginning now.
No, I think it's completelyunethical to use hypnosis to
control people, though ithappens all the time and most
people don't realize they'redoing it, because hypnotic state
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is a natural one.
I want to go at this wordsuggestibility.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, I'm not a huge advocate for that word, but you
know, in training it's a wordused.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
In almost every definition of hypnosis.
They talk about suggestibility.
I'm not sure thatsuggestibility.
So let's take that Hypnosisseems to be defined in terms of
what the hypnotist does and whatsometimes happens for the
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subject.
So it is an induced alteredstate, and these are classic
definitions, and in thosealtered states there's increased
suggestibility.
How would you rephrase that inyour experience?
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In your experience, what reallyhappens?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I would say that it's a deeply relaxed state.
I might you know, the onlyreason I would change the words
for a client or in marketing,you know, things like that is
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because altered I mean alteredscared me when I heard about it
years ago.
Altered, what does that mean?
Like I'm on drugs, on drugs oryou know it's those kind of
flashes go through your mind ofwell, what is altered?
I don't like altered, I meansome people do, I suppose but,
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you know, for the vast majorityof us, altered state means maybe
not conscious, not in our rightmind.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Not normal, not normal yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah.
So I like to say because it'sthe truth of it is people go
into a deeply relaxed state.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Which is very unusual for most people.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, I mean, think about life.
We're constantly in go go gomode about life.
We're constantly in go-go-gomode, sometimes relaxed if we
choose to be, but normallyrelaxation is not the the our
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normal state going through life.
I know clients will say they'llcome into the office or they'll
meet me online and they'll say,oh, I love this, or they'll
jump in the chair and get theirblanket and put the chair back
before I even get in the room.
It's hilarious sometimes andit's a time that they look
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forward to.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, so in as much as your, general emotional,
mental state changes when you gointo hypnosis.
I suppose it's altered, butit's also a very natural state.
I mean, for me, what'simportant to understand is not
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only is it so natural that ithappens all the time, but it's
so natural that you can do it toyourself, and it's really just
about understanding sort of aswitch that takes place.
And I'm going to use, you know,just really plain language.
When you are safe when you feelsafe when you are not engaged in
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anything, when your minddoesn't have to be busy
processing, doing, guiding yourbody into whatever activity
you're in.
So I think of the classicperson at work where they have a
task in front of them.
They're operating machinery,maybe they're operating a
computer, maybe they're very,very externally focused.
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And in a workplace, sincethere's other people around,
we're very drawn to beexternally aware.
Right, we, we go to work, weoften have to watch what we wear
and watch how we presentourselves, and we have to be
very, very social in somecircumstances.
All of this is externalawareness, right.
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But then we come home and someof us have the opportunity to
come home to sometimes quietplaces.
You know, some people come hometo more external chaos, right,
more external tasks, more thingsto do, more things that drive
them out of their mind and outinto the world with a focus on
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things happening.
But you know, eventually we'reall going to hopefully go to bed
and when we get to bed, oncewe're in bed and comfortable,
the focus of the external worldjust starts to fade away.
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We don't need it now and that'sjust really natural If you do,
if you're lucky enough to comehome after work and you happen
to live alone, your focus on theexternal world naturally
dissipates.
Now you're in a position tojust be focused on your internal
world and then, in thosemoments, you become a little
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more aware of your self-talk.
In those moments you become alittle bit aware of the things
you worry about, the things youthink about, of the things you
worry about, the things youthink about, the things that
you're concerned with, the goalsyou might have pop up.
You know, in those quiet timeswhen we're not driven to be
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externally focused, we canbecome internally focused, and
because of the nature of ourworld and because of the nature
of our lives, we don't do itvery often.
But if we were to pick up abook, that's what we'd be doing.
When we pick up our phone andstart to scroll through reels,
that's what you're doing.
When you are watching somethingon the television, right,
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that's what you're doing.
You're shifting to a quieted,focused state.
Now the focus might still besomething external, but it's a
singular thing that's externaland you're focused on it because
it brings you pleasure, itbrings you comfort, it brings
you calmness, and so you knowthat you're capable of relaxing.
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You just aren't in the habit ofit.
And so, in as much as that'sthe world we live in and we
naturally fall into thesequieted, relaxed states, this
thing we call hypnosis is justthe creation, the deliberate
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creation, of that state, of thestate where there's nothing to
be concerned with except thatwhich comes up in our mind.
So you come to our office, wetry to get you there.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, so we use techniques right.
I mean, we begin in in thetraining room, the meeting room
really, and, whether you'reonline or in our office,
basically we chat for a littlebit.
Some people on their firstsession are normally a little
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nervous.
They've never done this before,they think they've never done
it before, and so there'sdefinitely a time to be had to
release any anxieties, help youfeel okay with what you've
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chosen to do, right and and thatit's, it's a good choice.
And by the end of the sessionyou're gonna go wow, I didn't
think that was what hypnosis was.
Or some people wonder was Ihypnotized?
I, I didn't feel like I washypnotized.
That's a big one, which isalways, um, makes me smile
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because I think people feel likethey they're going to be conked
out or something you know likenot aware of anything, um, which
is which is really not it atall.
So there's time to relax beforethe session, there's time to
chat, there's time to just feelat ease, and then you get even
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more comfortable, whether youknow that's online or in the
chair in our office, and then wego through techniques of
relaxation.
Those techniques are lots ofdifferent things, usually using
the power of your imaginationand focus.
Whether you know you're, youcan visualize in your
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imagination or not, we use thepower of the senses, focus,
imagination to help you go intorelaxation.
So, whether that's countingdown a flight of steps, or going
to a beautiful place andgetting a sense of details there
, painting numbers in your mind,just anything metaphorically
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that tells your mind that, okay,it's time to relax.
You know, think about countingsheep.
You're using numbers, right,it's meant to relax the body.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So there you are and this is.
I think this is the pleasure ofit all.
You know it's a pleasurableexperience.
A lot of people believe thatit's.
You know that it's notpleasurable experience.
A lot of people believe thatit's not pleasurable.
But you come in and we usethese great big recliner chairs
and we got blankets and thelights are dimmed.
Sometimes we even have softhypnotic music playing, if that
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helps, helps and it's really.
Yeah, it's quite a shift from,you know, being in your car,
running from work, get to yourappointment, try to get there on
time.
Which where?
Where do I park?
Oh, there's not many parkingspace, all that stuff, which is
all external.
And then you come in and youbegin that process of relaxing
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and and then you get guided.
I mean you don't have to doanything, just listen along.
And some people you know theirmind has some difficulty
shutting down.
Some people are a little lesswilling to acknowledge when
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they're safe.
They need a little moreconvincing that everything is
going to be fine and thatthey're allowed to let go of
their thoughts that they'rebetter off to just follow along.
You know I get clients that willtake a while in the chair to
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allow themselves to go into thatrelaxed mental state.
They're watching what's hedoing?
Why is he saying that?
What does that mean?
Does that mean?
Does that, does that meansomething?
And so much of this is a resultof sort of the goofy stuff that
people say about hypnosis thatgets into people's minds.
Um, it's an old, old saying allhypnosis is self-hypnosis.
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The idea is, if you don't wantto be hypnotized, it's hard to
hypnotize you.
There are ways to hypnotizepeople that don't want to be
hypnotized.
It's hard to hypnotize you.
There are ways to hypnotizepeople that don't want to be
hypnotized and there are thingsin life that hypnotize us that
when we don't want to behypnotized.
That's true and we can't pretendthat that doesn't exist out
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there, but what we can do istell you that we are so
completely focused on your goals.
I mean, that's one of ourprimary purposes when we talk in
our little consultation, ourfree consultation, is to try to
get as specific as we can withthe client's goals, because
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that's how you're ethical right,that's how you are being honest
and collaborative with yourclient, that's how you're truly
serving your client is to hearwhat they want to accomplish.
What is it that they want,whether it's something broad,
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like I just want to walk aroundhappier or something very
specific I want to stop bitingmy nails whatever it is, it's
defined and led by the client,and so this is such a natural
state, is such a natural state,such a kind and caring process,
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that sometimes we're reallysurprised at some of the ideas
people bring in and what theyexpect to happen.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yes, I mean it's understandable.
I mean it's understandable, youknow, over the years, many
years really, there's this builtup fascination with it, based
on old shows or stage hypnosisthat make it look like it's
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something it's not.
And so, yeah, I mean I wasthere years ago.
I thought that I was going tobe put to sleep and wake up a
different person, and what wouldhappen while I was asleep.
Oh my gosh, so many ideas aboutit.
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Just from my prior knowledge,what I thought it was what I had
seen on TV.
I hadn't been to a stage show,so I just had heard through the
grapevine of society that thisis what happens and how scary it
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was.
But yeah, it's.
It's so not when it, when it'sused in a helpful, you know, way
to help you feel better in life, to help you move through
habits, past habits.
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It's just not that way.
It's just not that way.
And a lot of people ask well,what about stage hypnosis?
I mean, I've gone to a stageshow.
Tell me the difference, becauseI don't understand the
difference.
What would you say about that?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
so you know I think we've talked about this and this
is important to realize you goto a theater that's holding a
hypnosis show and there'll behundreds of people in the
audience and the first thingthat happens is the hypnotist
comes out and invites thosepeople who want to be subjects
to come forward.
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Nobody gets picked, nobody isassigned, there are no plants,
right.
You just simply invite.
Now of that, you know it.
I think it's fair to say.
If you have 500 people Lastshow I went to had like 1,500
people in the audience and 200of them wanted to be on the
stage and probably another 50wished they had the guts to go
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get up on the stage, right.
And so what happens is, youknow, once they get like 100
people up on the stage, they saysorry, that's it.
Now, remember that the firstones up there are the most eager
, right.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, that's so important, right?
That's right.
Number one you have to want.
You got to want this.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
So what happens is that the audience self-selects
to the most excited, most eager,most willing, and all they have
to be is willing to followalong.
They've shown up there becausethey're expecting to laugh, and
if they're willing to be on thestage, they're willing to be
laughed at.
Yeah, right, so this is allvery self-selection, and then
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you know, what happens is youknow, maybe a hundred people get
up on the stage and maybe 20 ofthem go.
Holy crap, I'm up on a stage,what am I doing here?
Everybody's staring at me.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I'm scared, and so they don't tend to follow along
with the induction, becausethey're now in that heightened
state of the external world.
Who's looking at me?
What's happening?
Are people watching me?
They're not willing to justignore everything and go
internal, so that's when thehypnotist sends a bunch of
people off the stage so you gofrom a hundred to like 20 well,
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you might go from a hundred tofifty, and then you might go
from fifty down to a dozen,because that's all you need for
the show.
And so now the hypnotist hasactually chosen the 12 most
willing, already hypnotizedpeople, because the hypnotist
will just take them through aseries of steps taking them
deeper, taking them deeper,getting them completely willing
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to ignore the external world andignore everything except that
hypnotist's voice.
That hypnotist's voice becomesthe center of their life.
And there's things that help,right.
First of all, they're up on astage, and when you're, people
don't realize.
When you're up on the stage,it's hard to hear the audience.
And if you can't hear theaudience and the lights are
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shining in your eyes becauseyou're up on a stage, you can't
see the audience, it's hard tosee anybody out in the audience.
So all of this is using lightand sound.
The same way we use it in theoffice, where we dim the lights
and make it harder for them tosee anything.
So their eyes will naturallyclose.
We close the door, we mufflethe sounds, and that makes it
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easier for them to concentrateon what's being said to them.
The hypnotist always has amicrophone with a very, very
loud microphone that sort ofdominates any sounds in the room
.
These are all the conditionsthat lead to good hypnosis.
And now what you have is, youknow, anywhere from 10 to 20
really happy people, happily intrance, willing and hoping that
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they get the chance to quacklike a duck.
Yeah Right.
So when it's suggested to themthat they're going to move
around the stage like a duck andthey're going to make sounds
like a duck, then they'rewilling to do that.
And they're having to makesounds like a duck, then they're
willing to do that and they'rehaving a good time.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So it's really, it's not magic what you're seeing,
right, it's not control in theidea of controlling somebody in
a negative way or any kind ofcontrol negative way or or any
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kind of control it.
Um, but the biggest thing and Ithink stage hypnotists are
incredible hypnotists.
I mean god they're.
They're so on the ball with,they're reading every little
move you're making, especiallywhen they're selecting who goes
back to their chair and who's awilling participant that wants
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to just be silly and fun onstage.
But when you come into a setting, hypnosis for helping setting
there.
We are not there to clapacklike ducks or chickens.
Um, you know, your mind, uh, isopen to making positive changes
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in your life and that's whatyou're there to do.
And so if that's what you'rethere to do, then, just like the
person that gets up on stageand wants to be silly, you're
open to being in a relaxedposition in a lazy boy chair
wherever online, and you're opento making those changes in your
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life.
If I were to say randomlythrough a session okay, now
you're going to quack like achicken or quack like a duck, I
keep getting those mixed up youwould completely come out of
hypnosis because that's not whatyou're there to do, you're not
there to be silly.
We're not being silly in theoffice.
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Yes, we have a few laughs abouthypnosis, you know, along the
way, especially in the beginning.
But yeah, we're not there to besilly, we're there to make
those changes that you want tomake and that's it.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
You know, people come to the office because they want
to make that change, and thisis where I take issue with the
word suggestibility.
Somebody's written down ontheir form and we've had a
conversation about their desireto.
They want to be better inbetter control of what they eat,
right, and so we will, in aconscious state, in an alert
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state, you know, make a list ofwhat they consider to be healthy
food, healthy food that theylike, healthy food that they
want to eat.
We'll make even a list of whattime of day they're going to eat
that and when each kinds offood is okay and how often
certain kinds of food are notokay.
And we start to reframe the waywe think about food consciously
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.
And we start to reframe the waywe think about things like what
?
One of the techniques that Iuse all the time it's a reframe.
It works incredibly wellbecause it's the truth.
Reframes work best when they'retruthful.
It's that treats hurt.
You give yourself a treat, I'mgoing to have a treat, I'm going
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to have a banana split.
Well, let's consider what thatdoes to the body when it spikes
up your blood sugar, when itprovides you a whole bunch of
empty calories that have to getstored away quickly and then
they end up in fat, that itturns your system acidic because
sugar does that and that's hardon your joints and that's hard
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on your sensitive nervous system.
So we talk about how treatsthat are meant to be good for us
, that we want to have thatbanana split because we're being
loving to ourselves, and thenwe realize, well, there's
nothing loving about that.
This is not good for me, thisis not treating me nicely, this
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is hurting me.
It's hurting me physically,it's hurting me mentally,
because I fall back and laterI'll regret it and I'll feel
like there's something wrongwith me, that I did that and
what's wrong with me and why didI do that.
So we come to this idea wheretreats hurt and that food is no
longer entertainment.
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Food is nutrition.
And when your subconscious mindwants to change the way they
think about food and yoursubconscious mind wants to
change the way they consume food, then your subconscious mind is
very open to these ideas, infact.
So what happens is, when we'vehad this discussion, all those
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words that the client has givenme, I know that the subconscious
mind is open to, so I willquite literally use the client's
words back to them, because Iknow the subconscious mind is
open to those ideas.
Just like the person who ran upon the stage mind is open to
those ideas, just like theperson who ran up on the stage
and said make me quack like aduck.
They came in and said make methink differently about food,
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make me behave differently aboutfood.
And I say to them I can't makeyou do anything, but your desire
to do it is going to drive youtowards understanding what is in
your subconscious mind that'scausing you to treat food in the
way you don't want it to.
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So sometimes, just and these arethe words we use we use the
word suggestion because it's notthe hypnotist telling you what
to do.
And when we do questions ofsuggestibility, what we really
want is your ability toconcentrate right.
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We want you to be able to focuson our voice, focus on our
words and the meanings of thewords and follow along.
And so, while some people mightcall that suggestibility and in
this, in the practice ofhypnosis, it's often referred to
as a suggestibility test it'sreally a concentration test and
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a willingness to follow alongtest.
And then, because you came inwith a goal, it becomes very
easy because it's yoursubconscious mind.
Now I just want to step backand say this is the critical
part by turning off yourattention to the external world,
you have nothing left but theinternal world, and then if
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you're with the intention ofchanging your internal world.
Well, this is just somethingthat's completely within your
power.
This is your power as a humanbeing to make those changes, but
you just need the conditionsand the process to be able to do
it.
And that's quite literally whatthe hypnotist offers you a
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knowledge and an awareness of amethodology to get you, quite
literally, in the privacy ofyour own mind, face to face with
your own thoughts and beliefs.
And it's like pruning a tree.
You know what?
That one doesn't serve me.
I'm gonna get rid of that oneand this one.
This one's a better idea.
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I'm gonna replace it with this.
And that's a process that thesubject themselves, the client
themselves, is willingly andintentionally engaged in.
So all these ideas about whathypnosis is really comes from
the inability people have tounderstand or let's say another,
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because of how compelled we areto be focused on the external
world, we are not aware of theability we have to change our
internal world and what'sinvolved in doing it.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah, I think that's important.
Yeah, so it's not.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
So don't take the word suggestibility as some kind
of weakness on your part,because I think in our world
people think that you know, ifI'm open to suggestion, I'm
weak-minded.
You know, people have a it's anincredible resistance.
People have to change theirmind and it's exactly how you
change your life.
Until you change your mind,you're not going to change your
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life.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, that's true, that's true, All right.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Good start.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Good start.
I think that was really good.
We'll see you later.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
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Speaker 1 (36:38):
Talk to you tomorrow, thank you.
Thank you.
This is our almost dailycommunity podcast about the mind
and how you might change it inthe most simple and helpful ways
.
Every day we sit staring at thelake and sipping our coffee,
having a chat about hypnosis andhow to make those meaningful
adjustments to our state of mind.
Because nothing is moreimportant than your state of
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mind.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Holy smokes, that was fast.
Gotta get going.
(01:08):
Gotta get going.
The weather report says cloudyday by the lake, but lots of
geese and ducks.
It's a shockingly warm day,isn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I outside, I know I got a jacket on us, just dandy,
just dandy, just dandy.
So today we're talking aboutthis, this idea of what exactly
is hypnosis.
It seems like a very broad idea.
We tried to do one yesterdayand we just thought, oh my gosh,
this is gonna be longer than wethink turn out to be another
(01:36):
trilogy.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, yeah, it's.
Uh, it's a question that'svague and broad enough to make
it invite in all kinds ofconcepts, everything from how is
hypnosis defined by variousorganizations to really like how
do you experience it, what goeson and how do we induce it?
(02:01):
How do we create it and how dowe induce it, how do we create
it and why is it so darnedeffective?
Out of everything that, it'sendorsed by the American Medical
Association and there's a wholedivision dedicated to the
American Psychiatric AssociationAmerican Psychiatric
(02:23):
Association.
It is this thing that I thinkis often misunderstood,
misperceived, full of confusion.
Even the experts you know, I'llwatch YouTube videos and I'll
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watch information videos andI'll listen to some of the quote
unquote experts talk and Ithink you know, have you ever
been hypnotized?
Because you're not talking inthe terms that I would expect
you would.
So I just think there's justtons of misinformation out there
, well-intentioned, I'm notjudging anybody, but that's
worth.
It's worth considering.
We came to this because we weretrying to put stuff on the
website, right?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, we're thinking about making.
Well, we're not thinking aboutit, we're actually doing it
making little explainer videosfor the website so people don't
have to read and read and readyeah.
I think in this day and age,videos are good as long as
they're not too long.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And there's enough hypnotists out there with
websites that say all the samethings that, like we said, like
what is hypnosis?
That's such an enormousquestion.
So, yeah, this is our attemptto try to explain it.
We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Where do you want to start?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well, let's talk about what it's not.
I think that's a particularbugaboo for you.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I try not to let it be a bugaboo, but it I don't
know, just things I see outthere online, even from some
hypnotists.
Yeah, I just think what, oh God, like, in the grand scheme of
things, it doesn't make my lifeharder, but every day, I mean,
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you know it we're trying to helppeople go from Am I gonna clock
like a chicken?
To wow, this is wonderful, thisis life-changing.
I'm actually awake during thisand I'm deeply relaxed and I've
wow, I've never felt this typeof relaxation before.
This is great.
So we're trying to always bringthat awareness to everyone we
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encounter.
And these some people out there, including some hypnotists,
unfortunately make it market, itto be a mind control thing and
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persuasion be able to controlpeople with your persuasion and
I just think that is, I don'tknow, to me.
It's kind of unethical.
I don't know that's just me,though, I just think that's
unethical well, you know me, Ithat's exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
You know.
Some days I feel like it's mypurpose in life to just talk
about how life is lived bychoice.
Time may time it for you it may.
You may be able to say how longit took you to make a choice,
but the act of living is the actof making choices and doing
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things about those choices, andso when we're out there trying
to control the choices otherpeople make, I think we've
missed.
We've lost the script, we'vemissed the boat.
We're not understanding thenature of our lives.
There's very, very little in theworld that I know of you know
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that can't be accomplished withsomebody being creative and
curious and making a choice topursue something and then
inviting others to participatein it with them, so that the
people who feel interested andconnected to those activities or
accomplishments or goals oraspirations they find themselves
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quickly and easily joining inand then, as a team, as a
cooperative, as a collective,the collaboration that's
possible to accomplish enormouswonderful things.
The collaboration that'spossible to accomplish enormous
wonderful things.
And you never have to makesomebody right, you never have
to force somebody and forcingother people to live the way you
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live, because that makes youfeel safer, that makes you feel
more comfortable.
These are, these are the my, my, my issues, my bugaboos, my
reasons to get a little bitworked up.
And so for me, everything isabout promoting choice.
And promoting choice reallycomes, I believe, when you
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examine what is in your mindthat's interfering with your
choices.
So all the way back to thebeginning, now choices.
So all the way back to thebeginning now.
No, I think it's completelyunethical to use hypnosis to
control people, though ithappens all the time and most
people don't realize they'redoing it, because hypnotic state
(07:37):
is a natural one.
I want to go at this wordsuggestibility.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, I'm not a huge advocate for that word, but you
know, in training it's a wordused.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
In almost every definition of hypnosis.
They talk about suggestibility.
I'm not sure thatsuggestibility.
So let's take that Hypnosisseems to be defined in terms of
what the hypnotist does and whatsometimes happens for the
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subject.
So it is an induced alteredstate, and these are classic
definitions, and in thosealtered states there's increased
suggestibility.
How would you rephrase that inyour experience?
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In your experience, what reallyhappens?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I would say that it's a deeply relaxed state.
I might you know, the onlyreason I would change the words
for a client or in marketing,you know, things like that is
(09:13):
because altered I mean alteredscared me when I heard about it
years ago.
Altered, what does that mean?
Like I'm on drugs, on drugs oryou know it's those kind of
flashes go through your mind ofwell, what is altered?
I don't like altered, I meansome people do, I suppose but,
(09:34):
you know, for the vast majorityof us, altered state means maybe
not conscious, not in our rightmind.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Not normal, not normal yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah.
So I like to say because it'sthe truth of it is people go
into a deeply relaxed state.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Which is very unusual for most people.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, I mean, think about life.
We're constantly in go go gomode about life.
We're constantly in go-go-gomode, sometimes relaxed if we
choose to be, but normallyrelaxation is not the the our
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normal state going through life.
I know clients will say they'llcome into the office or they'll
meet me online and they'll say,oh, I love this, or they'll
jump in the chair and get theirblanket and put the chair back
before I even get in the room.
It's hilarious sometimes andit's a time that they look
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forward to.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, so in as much as your, general emotional,
mental state changes when you gointo hypnosis.
I suppose it's altered, butit's also a very natural state.
I mean, for me, what'simportant to understand is not
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only is it so natural that ithappens all the time, but it's
so natural that you can do it toyourself, and it's really just
about understanding sort of aswitch that takes place.
And I'm going to use, you know,just really plain language.
When you are safe when you feelsafe when you are not engaged in
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anything, when your minddoesn't have to be busy
processing, doing, guiding yourbody into whatever activity
you're in.
So I think of the classicperson at work where they have a
task in front of them.
They're operating machinery,maybe they're operating a
computer, maybe they're very,very externally focused.
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And in a workplace, sincethere's other people around,
we're very drawn to beexternally aware.
Right, we, we go to work, weoften have to watch what we wear
and watch how we presentourselves, and we have to be
very, very social in somecircumstances.
All of this is externalawareness, right.
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But then we come home and someof us have the opportunity to
come home to sometimes quietplaces.
You know, some people come hometo more external chaos, right,
more external tasks, more thingsto do, more things that drive
them out of their mind and outinto the world with a focus on
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things happening.
But you know, eventually we'reall going to hopefully go to bed
and when we get to bed, oncewe're in bed and comfortable,
the focus of the external worldjust starts to fade away.
(13:03):
We don't need it now and that'sjust really natural If you do,
if you're lucky enough to comehome after work and you happen
to live alone, your focus on theexternal world naturally
dissipates.
Now you're in a position tojust be focused on your internal
world and then, in thosemoments, you become a little
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more aware of your self-talk.
In those moments you become alittle bit aware of the things
you worry about, the things youthink about, of the things you
worry about, the things youthink about, the things that
you're concerned with, the goalsyou might have pop up.
You know, in those quiet timeswhen we're not driven to be
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externally focused, we canbecome internally focused, and
because of the nature of ourworld and because of the nature
of our lives, we don't do itvery often.
But if we were to pick up abook, that's what we'd be doing.
When we pick up our phone andstart to scroll through reels,
that's what you're doing.
When you are watching somethingon the television, right,
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that's what you're doing.
You're shifting to a quieted,focused state.
Now the focus might still besomething external, but it's a
singular thing that's externaland you're focused on it because
it brings you pleasure, itbrings you comfort, it brings
you calmness, and so you knowthat you're capable of relaxing.
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You just aren't in the habit ofit.
And so, in as much as that'sthe world we live in and we
naturally fall into thesequieted, relaxed states, this
thing we call hypnosis is justthe creation, the deliberate
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creation, of that state, of thestate where there's nothing to
be concerned with except thatwhich comes up in our mind.
So you come to our office, wetry to get you there.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, so we use techniques right.
I mean, we begin in in thetraining room, the meeting room
really, and, whether you'reonline or in our office,
basically we chat for a littlebit.
Some people on their firstsession are normally a little
(15:38):
nervous.
They've never done this before,they think they've never done
it before, and so there'sdefinitely a time to be had to
release any anxieties, help youfeel okay with what you've
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chosen to do, right and and thatit's, it's a good choice.
And by the end of the sessionyou're gonna go wow, I didn't
think that was what hypnosis was.
Or some people wonder was Ihypnotized?
I, I didn't feel like I washypnotized.
That's a big one, which isalways, um, makes me smile
(16:20):
because I think people feel likethey they're going to be conked
out or something you know likenot aware of anything, um, which
is which is really not it atall.
So there's time to relax beforethe session, there's time to
chat, there's time to just feelat ease, and then you get even
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more comfortable, whether youknow that's online or in the
chair in our office, and then wego through techniques of
relaxation.
Those techniques are lots ofdifferent things, usually using
the power of your imaginationand focus.
Whether you know you're, youcan visualize in your
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imagination or not, we use thepower of the senses, focus,
imagination to help you go intorelaxation.
So, whether that's countingdown a flight of steps, or going
to a beautiful place andgetting a sense of details there
, painting numbers in your mind,just anything metaphorically
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that tells your mind that, okay,it's time to relax.
You know, think about countingsheep.
You're using numbers, right,it's meant to relax the body.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So there you are and this is.
I think this is the pleasure ofit all.
You know it's a pleasurableexperience.
A lot of people believe thatit's.
You know that it's notpleasurable experience.
A lot of people believe thatit's not pleasurable.
But you come in and we usethese great big recliner chairs
and we got blankets and thelights are dimmed.
Sometimes we even have softhypnotic music playing, if that
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helps, helps and it's really.
Yeah, it's quite a shift from,you know, being in your car,
running from work, get to yourappointment, try to get there on
time.
Which where?
Where do I park?
Oh, there's not many parkingspace, all that stuff, which is
all external.
And then you come in and youbegin that process of relaxing
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and and then you get guided.
I mean you don't have to doanything, just listen along.
And some people you know theirmind has some difficulty
shutting down.
Some people are a little lesswilling to acknowledge when
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they're safe.
They need a little moreconvincing that everything is
going to be fine and thatthey're allowed to let go of
their thoughts that they'rebetter off to just follow along.
You know I get clients that willtake a while in the chair to
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allow themselves to go into thatrelaxed mental state.
They're watching what's hedoing?
Why is he saying that?
What does that mean?
Does that mean?
Does that, does that meansomething?
And so much of this is a resultof sort of the goofy stuff that
people say about hypnosis thatgets into people's minds.
Um, it's an old, old saying allhypnosis is self-hypnosis.
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The idea is, if you don't wantto be hypnotized, it's hard to
hypnotize you.
There are ways to hypnotizepeople that don't want to be
hypnotized.
It's hard to hypnotize you.
There are ways to hypnotizepeople that don't want to be
hypnotized and there are thingsin life that hypnotize us that
when we don't want to behypnotized.
That's true and we can't pretendthat that doesn't exist out
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there, but what we can do istell you that we are so
completely focused on your goals.
I mean, that's one of ourprimary purposes when we talk in
our little consultation, ourfree consultation, is to try to
get as specific as we can withthe client's goals, because
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that's how you're ethical right,that's how you are being honest
and collaborative with yourclient, that's how you're truly
serving your client is to hearwhat they want to accomplish.
What is it that they want,whether it's something broad,
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like I just want to walk aroundhappier or something very
specific I want to stop bitingmy nails whatever it is, it's
defined and led by the client,and so this is such a natural
state, is such a natural state,such a kind and caring process,
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that sometimes we're reallysurprised at some of the ideas
people bring in and what theyexpect to happen.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yes, I mean it's understandable.
I mean it's understandable, youknow, over the years, many
years really, there's this builtup fascination with it, based
on old shows or stage hypnosisthat make it look like it's
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something it's not.
And so, yeah, I mean I wasthere years ago.
I thought that I was going tobe put to sleep and wake up a
different person, and what wouldhappen while I was asleep.
Oh my gosh, so many ideas aboutit.
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Just from my prior knowledge,what I thought it was what I had
seen on TV.
I hadn't been to a stage show,so I just had heard through the
grapevine of society that thisis what happens and how scary it
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was.
But yeah, it's.
It's so not when it, when it'sused in a helpful, you know, way
to help you feel better in life, to help you move through
habits, past habits.
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It's just not that way.
It's just not that way.
And a lot of people ask well,what about stage hypnosis?
I mean, I've gone to a stageshow.
Tell me the difference, becauseI don't understand the
difference.
What would you say about that?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
so you know I think we've talked about this and this
is important to realize you goto a theater that's holding a
hypnosis show and there'll behundreds of people in the
audience and the first thingthat happens is the hypnotist
comes out and invites thosepeople who want to be subjects
to come forward.
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Nobody gets picked, nobody isassigned, there are no plants,
right.
You just simply invite.
Now of that, you know it.
I think it's fair to say.
If you have 500 people Lastshow I went to had like 1,500
people in the audience and 200of them wanted to be on the
stage and probably another 50wished they had the guts to go
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get up on the stage, right.
And so what happens is, youknow, once they get like 100
people up on the stage, they saysorry, that's it.
Now, remember that the firstones up there are the most eager
, right.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, that's so important, right?
That's right.
Number one you have to want.
You got to want this.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
So what happens is that the audience self-selects
to the most excited, most eager,most willing, and all they have
to be is willing to followalong.
They've shown up there becausethey're expecting to laugh, and
if they're willing to be on thestage, they're willing to be
laughed at.
Yeah, right, so this is allvery self-selection, and then
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you know, what happens is youknow, maybe a hundred people get
up on the stage and maybe 20 ofthem go.
Holy crap, I'm up on a stage,what am I doing here?
Everybody's staring at me.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I'm scared, and so they don't tend to follow along
with the induction, becausethey're now in that heightened
state of the external world.
Who's looking at me?
What's happening?
Are people watching me?
They're not willing to justignore everything and go
internal, so that's when thehypnotist sends a bunch of
people off the stage so you gofrom a hundred to like 20 well,
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you might go from a hundred tofifty, and then you might go
from fifty down to a dozen,because that's all you need for
the show.
And so now the hypnotist hasactually chosen the 12 most
willing, already hypnotizedpeople, because the hypnotist
will just take them through aseries of steps taking them
deeper, taking them deeper,getting them completely willing
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to ignore the external world andignore everything except that
hypnotist's voice.
That hypnotist's voice becomesthe center of their life.
And there's things that help,right.
First of all, they're up on astage, and when you're, people
don't realize.
When you're up on the stage,it's hard to hear the audience.
And if you can't hear theaudience and the lights are
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shining in your eyes becauseyou're up on a stage, you can't
see the audience, it's hard tosee anybody out in the audience.
So all of this is using lightand sound.
The same way we use it in theoffice, where we dim the lights
and make it harder for them tosee anything.
So their eyes will naturallyclose.
We close the door, we mufflethe sounds, and that makes it
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easier for them to concentrateon what's being said to them.
The hypnotist always has amicrophone with a very, very
loud microphone that sort ofdominates any sounds in the room
.
These are all the conditionsthat lead to good hypnosis.
And now what you have is, youknow, anywhere from 10 to 20
really happy people, happily intrance, willing and hoping that
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they get the chance to quacklike a duck.
Yeah Right.
So when it's suggested to themthat they're going to move
around the stage like a duck andthey're going to make sounds
like a duck, then they'rewilling to do that.
And they're having to makesounds like a duck, then they're
willing to do that and they'rehaving a good time.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So it's really, it's not magic what you're seeing,
right, it's not control in theidea of controlling somebody in
a negative way or any kind ofcontrol negative way or or any
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kind of control it.
Um, but the biggest thing and Ithink stage hypnotists are
incredible hypnotists.
I mean god they're.
They're so on the ball with,they're reading every little
move you're making, especiallywhen they're selecting who goes
back to their chair and who's awilling participant that wants
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to just be silly and fun onstage.
But when you come into a setting, hypnosis for helping setting
there.
We are not there to clapacklike ducks or chickens.
Um, you know, your mind, uh, isopen to making positive changes
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in your life and that's whatyou're there to do.
And so if that's what you'rethere to do, then, just like the
person that gets up on stageand wants to be silly, you're
open to being in a relaxedposition in a lazy boy chair
wherever online, and you're opento making those changes in your
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life.
If I were to say randomlythrough a session okay, now
you're going to quack like achicken or quack like a duck, I
keep getting those mixed up youwould completely come out of
hypnosis because that's not whatyou're there to do, you're not
there to be silly.
We're not being silly in theoffice.
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Yes, we have a few laughs abouthypnosis, you know, along the
way, especially in the beginning.
But yeah, we're not there to besilly, we're there to make
those changes that you want tomake and that's it.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
You know, people come to the office because they want
to make that change, and thisis where I take issue with the
word suggestibility.
Somebody's written down ontheir form and we've had a
conversation about their desireto.
They want to be better inbetter control of what they eat,
right, and so we will, in aconscious state, in an alert
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state, you know, make a list ofwhat they consider to be healthy
food, healthy food that theylike, healthy food that they
want to eat.
We'll make even a list of whattime of day they're going to eat
that and when each kinds offood is okay and how often
certain kinds of food are notokay.
And we start to reframe the waywe think about food consciously
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.
And we start to reframe the waywe think about things like what
?
One of the techniques that Iuse all the time it's a reframe.
It works incredibly wellbecause it's the truth.
Reframes work best when they'retruthful.
It's that treats hurt.
You give yourself a treat, I'mgoing to have a treat, I'm going
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to have a banana split.
Well, let's consider what thatdoes to the body when it spikes
up your blood sugar, when itprovides you a whole bunch of
empty calories that have to getstored away quickly and then
they end up in fat, that itturns your system acidic because
sugar does that and that's hardon your joints and that's hard
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on your sensitive nervous system.
So we talk about how treatsthat are meant to be good for us
, that we want to have thatbanana split because we're being
loving to ourselves, and thenwe realize, well, there's
nothing loving about that.
This is not good for me, thisis not treating me nicely, this
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is hurting me.
It's hurting me physically,it's hurting me mentally,
because I fall back and laterI'll regret it and I'll feel
like there's something wrongwith me, that I did that and
what's wrong with me and why didI do that.
So we come to this idea wheretreats hurt and that food is no
longer entertainment.
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Food is nutrition.
And when your subconscious mindwants to change the way they
think about food and yoursubconscious mind wants to
change the way they consume food, then your subconscious mind is
very open to these ideas, infact.
So what happens is, when we'vehad this discussion, all those
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words that the client has givenme, I know that the subconscious
mind is open to, so I willquite literally use the client's
words back to them, because Iknow the subconscious mind is
open to those ideas.
Just like the person who ran upon the stage mind is open to
those ideas, just like theperson who ran up on the stage
and said make me quack like aduck.
They came in and said make methink differently about food,
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make me behave differently aboutfood.
And I say to them I can't makeyou do anything, but your desire
to do it is going to drive youtowards understanding what is in
your subconscious mind that'scausing you to treat food in the
way you don't want it to.
(32:32):
So sometimes, just and these arethe words we use we use the
word suggestion because it's notthe hypnotist telling you what
to do.
And when we do questions ofsuggestibility, what we really
want is your ability toconcentrate right.
(32:54):
We want you to be able to focuson our voice, focus on our
words and the meanings of thewords and follow along.
And so, while some people mightcall that suggestibility and in
this, in the practice ofhypnosis, it's often referred to
as a suggestibility test it'sreally a concentration test and
(33:14):
a willingness to follow alongtest.
And then, because you came inwith a goal, it becomes very
easy because it's yoursubconscious mind.
Now I just want to step backand say this is the critical
part by turning off yourattention to the external world,
you have nothing left but theinternal world, and then if
(33:37):
you're with the intention ofchanging your internal world.
Well, this is just somethingthat's completely within your
power.
This is your power as a humanbeing to make those changes, but
you just need the conditionsand the process to be able to do
it.
And that's quite literally whatthe hypnotist offers you a
(34:00):
knowledge and an awareness of amethodology to get you, quite
literally, in the privacy ofyour own mind, face to face with
your own thoughts and beliefs.
And it's like pruning a tree.
You know what?
That one doesn't serve me.
I'm gonna get rid of that oneand this one.
This one's a better idea.
(34:21):
I'm gonna replace it with this.
And that's a process that thesubject themselves, the client
themselves, is willingly andintentionally engaged in.
So all these ideas about whathypnosis is really comes from
the inability people have tounderstand or let's say another,
(34:46):
because of how compelled we areto be focused on the external
world, we are not aware of theability we have to change our
internal world and what'sinvolved in doing it.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah, I think that's important.
Yeah, so it's not.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
So don't take the word suggestibility as some kind
of weakness on your part,because I think in our world
people think that you know, ifI'm open to suggestion, I'm
weak-minded.
You know, people have a it's anincredible resistance.
People have to change theirmind and it's exactly how you
change your life.
Until you change your mind,you're not going to change your
(35:34):
life.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, that's true, that's true, All right.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Good start.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Good start.
I think that was really good.
We'll see you later.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
We hope you enjoyed today's podcast and that maybe
it helped even a little.
If you have any questions, wewould love you to send them
along in an email to info atsonghypnosiscom.
Thank you for being part of theState of Mind community,
psalmhypnosiscom.
Thank you for being part of theState of Mind community.
For more information abouthypnosis and the various online
or in-person services we provide, please visit our website,
(36:14):
wwwpsalmhypnosiscom.
The link is in the notes below.
While you're there why don't youbook a free one-hour journey
meeting with Hillary or Les tolearn more about what hypnosis
is and how you might use it tomake your life what you want it
to be?
Bye for now.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Talk to you tomorrow, thank you.
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