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And Les has his links figuredout.
Yeah, so we had a question thismorning about the school.
If I was going to join theschool, our community, am I
signing up for a certain amountof time?
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And the answer is so it's monthto month.
But that's when it's paid.
Right now it's it's free fornow.
And once we go to the paidoptions, uh we will have a
month-to-month membership andalso a yearly membership, if you
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wish.
SPEAKER_02 (02:01):
And all kinds of options within that, isn't
there?
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Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Our idea is to have a stream forpeople that just maybe want a
few meditations here and there,and that'll be less than say if
you want to join in our programsand our school options.
And then we're gonna have ahypnotist version as well for
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taking courses.
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Of course, it can change alongthe way.
We're constantly morphing here.
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Yeah, right now it's free because right now it's it's
being built and it's it's stillnew and fresh.
And although we have a wholebunch of ideas, there's only so
many hours in a day.
And there's sort of a there'salso a process to learning that
I I've been part of for such along time that it's sort of
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second nature to me.
And what I've learned as ahypnotist, as somebody who works
on his own mind and has helpedpeople work on theirs, is that
there's a kind of a consciousmind to subconscious mind
process.
Hypnotists talk about thecritical factor.
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And the critical factor is justit's the part of you that takes
responsibility for yourself.
The critical factor is the partthat is saying, I don't listen
to just anybody, and I don'tlisten to just anything, and I
don't change my mind easily.
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And you know, that's a usefulthing in a world that has
anomalies, right?
You could show up to, let's say,Newfoundland, like I did one
summer when there was actually awhole lot of glacial melt up in
Greenland, which sent cold waterdown along the coast of
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Newfoundland.
And that was my very first visitto Newfoundland.
And we were right in the middleof July, and I was pretty darned
excited, and I was walkingaround wearing a winter coat
because that cold water hadbrought cold air, and it was
really quite literally like youknow, two, three degrees some
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days.
SPEAKER_03 (04:24):
Oh, yeah.
My nana had the fire in everyday.
SPEAKER_02 (04:26):
Yeah, so that's kind of an anomaly.
Now I can use that as myunderstanding of what
Newfoundland is.
It's just a cold, icy place.
But if I'd been there at anothertime in another summer, like
this past summer, where they hadheat waves that lasted from June
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till the end of August, I mighthave, again, another different
view, understanding ofNewfoundland.
Our critical factor is just thatpart of us that encourages
critical thinking that'slogical, and logic takes place
in the conscious mind.
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And the critical factor helps usdecipher what is worthwhile
going in, what we should bepaying attention to.
Now, the critical factor hasessentially three really big
gateways where we have always,for the whole of our life, been
willing to let information in.
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And the first one I think is areally dangerous one, while at
the same time, it's a speedyone, and that's the gateway of
authority.
SPEAKER_03 (05:48):
Yeah, parents.
I mean, it starts with parents,and then we're all messed up
from that.
SPEAKER_02 (05:57):
Everything mom and dad say is true, right?
Yeah, yeah.
At first, anyway, that wasthat's the way you built your
mind.
And this is in fact a lot of thestuff that we deal with.
We have to reprogram, notbecause of any ill intention.
I always say that some of themost difficult beliefs we have
in our mind were given to usgenerously, lovingly, with the
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best of intentions by ourparents.
They wanted us to be safe.
And as a result, a whole bunchof stuff went right into our
mind.
Remember, as children, we'rewe're living in an open
programmable state.
They talk about children beingconstantly in the theta state,
that that open-mindedness, thatbelow conscious, uh logical
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functioning.
But, you know, some people usethe tabula rasa.
I think that science suggeststhat these kinds of big sweeping
ideas aren't completelyaccurate.
But I think we can allunderstand because we've been
there, and those of us who havehad children have observed it.
Those who are close to children,aunts and uncles, have observed
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it.
Children are really open things.
They're really willing tobelieve what's told to them.
SPEAKER_03 (07:18):
Yeah, they're like little sponges, right?
Soaking up all the information.
And as a child, you don't knowwhere to place that information.
You don't know, and if you'vegot emotions attached to it,
you're not sure what to do withthe emotions.
So it just sort of locks in, itcreates these links between
emotion and event.
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And of course, based on how manyof those events happen in a row,
it it you've got a meaningattached to that, and then a
more deeper emotion every singletime.
And so it's not just parents,it's I'm not gonna call out
everybody, but just think of anyauthority figure.
SPEAKER_02 (08:01):
Well, when you're young, you've got teachers.
SPEAKER_03 (08:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:04):
And if your family belongs to any kind of religious
practice, whoever the leader ofthat religion is, the pastor,
the imam, the the rabbi, all ofthese people in authority.
I mean, in many respects, I wentto Catholic school, and the nuns
were both teachers and nuns, andthat gave them sort of extra
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power.
The stuff they said was really,really listened to.
But that this is the world ofauthority.
This this idea of authoritydoesn't go away.
This idea of authority stayswith us all of our lives.
And so when we're very, veryyoung and we're very, very open,
and I'd even use the phrasevery, very empty, we're we're
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receiving constantly, more oftenthan not, in love,
understandings, and repetitionof these understandings creates
beliefs and philosophies, thesekinds of larger thinking
structures, larger approaches tolife.
I love philosophies.
I used to be big into trying toteach my kids philosophies
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because I think they're likeall-purpose rules.
They help us to stay on what wemight call the good side of
decision making in difficultcircumstances that we can't
anticipate.
And certainly your parents can'tteach you how to deal with every
possible situation that's goingto come your way, even before
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the age 10, right?
There's there's so many timesyou're out there and you are
alone.
And so when you're young, thesethings turn into belief
structures and philosophies veryquickly because we're
pattern-making people, right?
We like to see things assimilar, we like to put things
into groups, we like to organizethings because it helps us to
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know how to deal with things,how to respond to things, how to
get away from things, how tostay away from things.
These are all just methodologiesfor safety.
And that's probably the primarything your parents are really
trying to instill in you foryour first, you know, seven,
eight years at least.
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There's not a lot your parentssay to you.
Go for it.
Do that, you know, take achance.
It's not a message they give youvery often.
SPEAKER_03 (10:30):
I was told to become a lawyer, a doctor, or a
teacher.
And I did none of those.
Well, I'm sort of a teacher.
SPEAKER_02 (10:40):
The point is, your parents are just, you know,
we've got to lovingly look atthat kind of programming as
giving given to us from a placeof love, from a place of
protection.
And we have to, you know, Ithink one of the first big
reframes I always test on myclients, some clients are
already there, but some clientsaren't.
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One of the first big reframes Itest on my clients is parents
can be wrong.
I mean, parents can be wrong.
And if we can accept thatparents can be wrong, that there
isn't a manual, that they didn'twake up one day having a child,
they now knew everything theyneeded to know about life.
If we can accept that parentscan be wrong, we can do two
things that are reallyimportant.
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We can change our programmingand we can forgive because
forgiving parents is a big one.
SPEAKER_03 (11:30):
Have you ever come up?
Uh I I haven't used that reframeyet in my practice.
Um I'm gonna start now thatyou've said it.
But I've got a question for you.
Have you ever come up tosomebody who has a hard time
with that, but because they area parent and they don't want to
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think that they were wrong.
SPEAKER_02 (11:58):
Um, I haven't seen that particularly.
But what typically happens isI'll say, well, parents can be
wrong.
And they'll nod.
They'll say, Yes, of course.
It's like that.
And in their conscious mind,they're right there with me
because it makes all the sensein the world and it's really
hard to argue with.
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And we all have experiences andknowledge of you know, the
breadth of parenting that goeson out there, and it becomes
really easy for them on a on aconscious mind basis to say uh
parents can be wrong.
And then as we get into thesubconscious mind, as we use
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that reframe, we go into trance,we might regress to a time where
they were children.
They might be dealing with anemotion and an experience that
is getting in the way of theirlife now, but they don't know
it, they don't understand it.
So we'll regress back to thatmoment, and there they are as a
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child.
And they'll be they'll be very,very locked in to their
deference to their parents.
And so I'll use that reframe.
Well, remember now, parents canbe wrong, and that's when the
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resistance will happen.
Because there's sometimesancillary programs.
It's not just what the parentstaught you that you think is
important, but your parents kindof taught you in this world, if
there's anybody you trust, it'sus, right?
So it's there's kind of a layeron there.
There's a secondary program thatis now reinforcing the first.
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And I've seen that.
I've also seen a great deal offear in subjects in regression
when they're told, when they'rein a in a regressed state,
observing or being or in someway connected to that inner
child back then, a realresistance to the idea that
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their parents can be wrongbecause they have so much trust
in that, they have so muchinvested in that that it's scary
to see it differently.
And this is where, you know, ashypnotists, when we regress, we
almost always take support withus.
For me, I always I always havethe adult version who has agreed
consciously in this concept.
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I always take them to be withthe child.
SPEAKER_01 (14:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:31):
And when it gets really intense, I'll often call
in the higher self as well.
So there'll be a team of three.
There'll be the one who had theexperience, there'll be the
adult now who is looking at theexperience, and the higher self
who understands the meaning andpurpose of the experience and
what they were supposed to getout of it.
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And then I'll often just tellthe adult self, I'll say, I want
you to talk to the child andhelp them understand that
parents can be wrong and that'sokay.
They're doing their best andyou're strong now.
And and, you know, I'll oftensay to the child, look, look at
your adult self.
Here you are.
You're safe, you're strong.
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Your adult self understands thatparents can be wrong.
You're gonna be safe.
The fact that they're here isproof that you figured it out
and that you lived, that yousurvived, that you got through a
whole lot of stuff.
The fact that your adult self ishere is proof you can trust them
and get the younger self totrust the older self.
SPEAKER_03 (15:35):
I have a reframe that I use when we're talking to
the younger self or evenremoving a limiting belief from
the system.
If this was a brand new conceptin your life, you would never
accept it.
Right?
Like if some if you had neverheard before, oh, you're not
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good at that, or you're notgonna achieve that, or something
like that, you would havenothing to link it to, right?
So you would not, chances areyou would not accept it in your
mind.
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_02 (16:12):
I think so, yeah.
Yeah, I can see how you know,especially in a context where
you've got a subject who justdoesn't know what to believe,
right?
Anyway, that's the that's theidea of the critical factor.
The critical factor is that partof us that says, these new
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ideas, I'm not so sure.
But authority gets through thecritical factor almost all of
our lives.
What happens as we get older iswe often reject people's
authority.
We start to say, you know, whereis your authority coming from?
And so we're now a little morerestrictive on what we allow in,
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but we still tend to be open toauthority.
And, you know, when our whenwhen we take a course and a
professor says something, we'repredisposed usually to believe
it.
I've had lots of students, andand I I used to say this in my
class, and I believe it verystrongly.
I want a student with healthyscope skepticism.
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I want a student with healthyskepticism.
I want them to be able to thinkof the idea, use their own
critical thinking, and askthemselves, do they think that's
real?
Do they think that's true?
We tend to turn to science assome kind of all-purpose proof
when we make statements that arenew to people.
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But we should all have a healthyskepticism of just about
everything we receive.
And for me, you know, the one Iuse with my clients is says who,
right?
Says who.
Where does this information comefrom?
And I also think that there's alot of value in learning how to
differentiate between types ofsentences, types of statements,
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right?
There are statements that arefacts, you know, like the
weather report, which I didn'tgive today, it's overcast today,
and the wind is moving out ofthe out of the east across the
water.
You know, these are just facts.
And unless you're here, itreally doesn't affect you.
But these are these are justfacts.
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There's fact statements, but itbecomes an opinion statement the
instant I say it's a dreary dayhere by the lake.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:43):
Because I'm now taking the fact that it's
overcast and there's a breezeand I'm interpreting it
negatively.
SPEAKER_03 (18:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:50):
And that's an opinion.
Right.
Some people love this weather,right?
The duck hunters are loving thisweather.
Right.
It makes it it makes it goodconditions for them to go duck
hunting, right?
So it's uh it's uh, I think astrong ability to hear the
difference between aninterpretation and a and an
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opinion versus a fact.
And that's one of those criticalthinking techniques, I think is
really valuable as we learn newthings.
So authority is one of thosethings that goes right through
and into the subconsciousprogram.
The second thing that goes rightthrough the subconscious
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program, right through thecritical factor, right into the
subconscious is trauma.
SPEAKER_03 (19:43):
Yeah.
Accidents, physical traumas,childhood traumas.
Yeah.
I have lots of people who havebeen in car accidents.
And yeah, they just they justfeel like a part of them is
always on guard now or anxious.
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Uh some people snowstorms, youknow, a lot to do with cars.
But yeah, just just linkingeverything.
So even the car that hit them,the color of the car, if they
see that, it it brings it allback again, you know?
SPEAKER_02 (20:21):
Yeah.
Trauma goes right into some ofour most core programs.
And I think one of the mostimportant core programs we have
is I am safe and I am capable.
I am safe and capable of dealingwith this world.
And trauma brings that deepprogram into question
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immediately.
I think that it's important topoint out that trauma is about
interpretation.
Excuse me.
Trauma is about the meaning thatwe place on events.
It's not necessarily the eventitself.
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So let's be playful and talkabout the Blue Jays losing the
World Series.
Some people might jokingly say,I was traumatized.
Other people might be totallyindifferent and say, What's a
World Series?
And what's going on?
I'm not aware of that.
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It's the same event interpreteddeeply differently.
For those hardcoredied-in-the-wolf Toronto Blue
Jays fans, they're stillsuffering over the fact that
their team was so close, was sogood, had virtually won it a
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number of times, and didn't endup winning it.
That for them is somethingthey're going to continue to
process.
And it's it's difficult forthem.
And for others, it's it's anon-event.
It just didn't happen, it's justnot important.
Now I'm being I'm beinglighthearted there talking about
that.
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But my point is that two peoplecan have the exact same event
take place in front of them, andit will have a different impact
on their core programming.
And trauma is that intensity ofemotion that you can't manage.
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And since most of all, you'reprogrammed to survive, you're
programmed to just get around,get through, get past, stay
safe.
Anything that brings that intoquestion is a trauma.
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And you know, for little kids,you know, I would say anybody
under the age of five, atraumatic experience goes to the
core of their existence, goes totheir actual fear of survival.
Their fears when they're very,very young, you know, as infants
and little children, is justthat they're gonna die.
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That their true self is inquestion, their true survival is
at risk.
That is the way to honor andgently approach trauma in those
that are very, very young.
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So you sort of double the impactbecause as adults we can be
traumatized, but we already havea critical factor, we've already
got a conscious mind, we'realready functioning very
logically, but as children, wedon't have those protections.
And so trauma very young uhreally shapes the way we see the
world.
SPEAKER_03 (24:02):
Yeah, and I've I don't know what I would if I
would label this as trauma, butit definitely, definitely well,
I guess I I guess I would llabel it as trauma because it is
affecting the client now inlife.
But sometimes we go back in timeand it's just one of those times
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where mom or dad did not comeinto the room to pick them up,
right?
And so they start feeling well,what is wrong with me?
And again, these aren't thoughtsthat the little baby is
thinking, but it is an emotionthat is a frequency of thought,
I believe.
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And and so there's there'shealing to be done there, but
absolutely those kinds of thingscan influence how you view your
own security now in life.
SPEAKER_02 (25:02):
Yeah, and so it it there's the childhood programs,
and then there are the thetraumatic events of adulthood,
and it's unique to the person.
You can't say that somebodyshould or shouldn't be
traumatized.
What matters is an intensity ofemotion, an intensity so great
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that they're not able to processit in a relieving way, in a
satisfying way.
And that's really, you know, thestep one is always just to honor
that.
Honor that that was theirexperience.
That's what they went through.
And then, you know, as we do inhypnosis, uh gently and steadily
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help them reprogram that,reinterpret that, reframe that
so that it's not having the sameimpact on their deeper
programming, their deepermethodology of living.
SPEAKER_03 (26:07):
So that would lead to the third the third way of
accessing the subconscious mindfast uh is hypnosis.
SPEAKER_02 (26:17):
Theta state, theta state meditation, theta state
hypnosis.
We we call it hypnosis.
Sometimes I love the word,sometimes I hate the word
because it has so manyconnotations, right?
SPEAKER_00 (26:30):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (26:30):
Let's let's take a little side trip there.
Denotation and connotation.
I remember studyingcommunications, studying
symbolism.
That was the big one of my bigthemes when I was young.
I was really interested insymbolism, how things represent
other things.
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And that that's the way wethink, right?
That's why hypnosis works sowell, is that it's in metaphor.
We tell stories that aresimilar, we imagine things that
are similar or more simplistic.
The body, the mind respondreally well to metaphor and to
the idea of story and to theidea of symbolism.
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Anyway, uh denotation is a wordis what the word is, right?
Uh, statement is what thestatement is.
I can say it's overcast, right?
Or the the one I enjoy using isI can say it's cool outside.
The connotation, the meaning itreally has might be that I
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really like it.
It's cool out there, right?
Or I might be denotingsomething, meaning it's just you
know below five degrees outthere.
Denotation and connotation arebig ideas, and so we use words
that are packed withconnotations, we use imagery
that is packed withconnotations, bigger meanings,
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broader and more comforting.
So once we get a client into thetheta state, which is simply
that their mind slows, they'renot using it for conscious
thought anymore.
Their mind, the pattern on anEEG is is slower, broader.
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Their mind is more internallyfocused.
They they are they're you can'treally get to a theta state.
Well, you let's just use that.
Typically, you can't get to atheta state unless you're in a
calm, quiet environment whereyou feel safe to turn your
attention away from the externalworld and to the internal world.
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And that's why hypnoticinduction is really done in a
quiet room with the lightsdimmed, with no external
stimulus.
You're under a blanket in agreat big chair that is
completely supporting you sothat you become less aware of
your physical senses.
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That allows you to go into yourmind.
It allows you to feel safeenough to consider what comes up
in your mind.
And these are these are timeswhen it is easier to go around
and through the critical mind,the critical factor, which
allows us to simply cause it topause and say, is that true?
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You're safe right now.
You can reconsider theprogramming.
It's kind of like, you know, theanalogy I use that works for a
lot of clients, it's kind oflike turning your computer off
or shutting down all theprograms before you try to
change the programs, right?
You're going to get your mind ina safe place so that it can
reconsider the programs thatit's carrying around.
SPEAKER_03 (29:57):
Yeah, and and I think it's important for people
to know that your conscious mindisn't disappearing, right?
It is about just not having thejargon that is constantly going
through our mind.
Yeah, but I don't know aboutthat.
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Oh, I'm anxious about that.
Those sort of those those kindsof thoughts just drift away.
And you're more thoughtful aboutyour internal environment.
What's going on for me rightnow?
What what am I working on?
So it's not that I remember whenI when I first went for hypnosis
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as a client, and I wasterrified.
I mean, I was going because Iwas desperate, but I was
terrified that I was going tobecome somebody else or go to
sleep and wake up somethingelse, or that I wouldn't have
control over my mind.
Want to make it very apparentthat you do have control of your
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mind.
You can you can open your eyesat any point and say, no, this
is not for me.
You can even say, hey, I gottago to the bathroom like
mid-session.
And then you go to the bathroom,come back.
So it's not about losing yourconscious mind, as we call it,
conscious mind.
It's about letting go of thethoughts that get in the way of
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making those deeper changes thatyou wish to make.
SPEAKER_02 (31:29):
Yeah, I think that you touch on something that's
really real.
That I think a lot of people, Iwon't say most people, but I
will say more than half of thepeople I've worked with are
afraid of their own mind.
They're afraid of going inthere.
They're afraid of looking to seewhat's in there.
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They're afraid of facing thingsthat have caused them to be very
harshly judging themselves.
I mean, it's one of the biggest,biggest things that we have to
deal with when we're inhypnosis.
It's kind of like an ancillaryto almost everything we do is
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helping people trust and lovethemselves.
In our minds, and probablynowhere else in the world, I
guess is the best way to say it.
Nowhere in the universe is therea list of all your mistakes
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except in your own mind.
Nowhere in the universe issomebody keeping score about the
things you did wrong, except inyour own mind.
And nowhere in the universe doesanybody really know how you
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think of yourself, except inyour own mind.
And our self-view is somethingthat we change with great
resistance.
Our self-view believes that ithas lots of reasons to think
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this way about yourself, aboutmyself.
It's aware of every single eventin the whole of your life that
justifies thinking this wayabout you.
And it clings to those events asjudgments.
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And judgments being the criticalword, judgment being
condemnation, some degree ofcondemnation.
When judgment becomes a way ofapproaching everything, and
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condemnations pile up in thesubconscious mind.
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I think the first way to dealwith that is I try to remind my
clients, and it's almostuniversally true, that there is
someone in their life that theylove so much that they could
forgive them for anything.
They could look past anything.
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And then maybe remind yourselfthat there are people who look
past all your errors, all yourmistakes.
And that gives you permission tolook past all your mistakes and
love you anyway.
So that's a that's a simple wayof addressing that big picture.
SPEAKER_03 (35:56):
I want to throw it out there right now if anyone
has any questions, just put itin the comments.
Let us know what you'd like tohear about or any questions
about what we've talked about.
SPEAKER_02 (36:16):
So I'm not sure how we got to talking about the
critical factor and gettingaround it.
It's all good.
It's all good though.
Who got us there?
SPEAKER_03 (36:26):
How long if someone joins if someone joins our
school, our community, how longdo they sign up for?
SPEAKER_02 (36:38):
The mind is an amazing thing, the way it can
get you to places.
Were we talking about the formatof courses?
Or was that uh headed towardsthe format of courses?
SPEAKER_03 (36:55):
Uh I was talking about how we're gonna have
courses for individuals, coursesfor hypnotists and individuals,
and maybe my talk about thehypnosis courses spurred that.
SPEAKER_02 (37:08):
No, I think what it was was I was thinking about
talking about the framework ofthe courses.
So the courses that we'reconstructing right now, that I
was working on yesterday, we'llbe working on all day today,
have a certain structure.
As a school, first of all, wewant it to be a community.
And so there are all kinds ofsort of community chat threads
(37:32):
that allow us to just talk abouttopics that allow you to ask
questions.
And we want you to, we want youto just dive in, put some put
some questions in there, youknow, about any topic you want.
Start your own thread and andlet's get talking.
And in those threads, there'sgoing to be specific threads
(37:55):
targeted at particular courses.
So far, I've done somerecordings on what we call the
preschool.
And the preschool is just somebasic ideas about hypnosis,
including a hypnosis pre-talk,which is part of which is
actually in there this morningnow.
In there this morning, which isin the classroom.
Sorry.
Just sort of a classic way wediscuss hypnosis with our
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clients to prepare them.
Because when a client uh goesthrough a pre-talk, the chances
of success go up astronomically.
They've measured this over andover and over.
Not only does the chance ofsuccess of hypnosis go way up,
like 80% up, but theeffectiveness of the hypnosis
itself goes way up becausepeople become aware.
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And it's why I feel good talkingabout what we talked about this
morning, being aware of yourmind, starting to become a
little bit more observing ofyour mind rather than just sort
of trapped within it.
But the courses are going todeal first on this on the
conscious mind level.
Here's some ideas.
Here's some ideas you haven'tyet considered.
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And reframing when it is trueand when it means something
about you is very effective inthe complete living of your
life.
It's those philosophies, it'sthose big picture things, you
know, that that really embraceyou and can carry you through
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almost any kind of experience.
So to reframe starts with theconscious mind saying, yeah,
that makes sense.
Parents can be wrong.
And then you go into a thetastate and you address it there.
And so each course is going tohave, I'm trying to get them a
shorter and shorter.
They're getting shorter, honest,they are.
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They're going to keep gettingshorter and shorter, these
little lessons that focus onconscious mind thinking, a
reframe that's followed by ameditation.
It won't be a long meditation,but it'll be followed by a
meditation where you can go intoa theta state and you can
consider this reframe and how itmight play out in your life, how
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it might bring peace to you,bring bring calmness, might
buffer emotions, might betterunderstand emotions, um, which
is a whole series of reframesthat are coming.
And so we're gonna get some somebasic core ideas about reframing
in there, and then every weekwe're gonna have another reframe
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in there with another meditationthat you can listen to, a short
lesson, 15 minutes, and thenmove on to a meditation where
you can allow your subconsciousmind to reconsider and reprocess
and reprogram.
And then there'll be a the chatall about that, right?
(40:57):
That thread will be all aboutthat particular reframe, and we
can talk about it and we cantalk about resistances that we
have to it.
We can talk about what the theconscious mind and the
subconscious mind, theirinteraction and their their
friction.
And we can really just be muchmore helpful with ideas.
And as time goes on, there willbe all these recordings and
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there will be all these chatthreads that have already
started, but you can join andtake it from wherever point
you're at.
And our intention is to beavailable, you know, add to that
the fact that we're here, we'rehere live this morning.
We're gonna try to be live everyday at some point as a way of
being available to the peoplewho join the school.
(41:43):
And I like to think of theschool as as a journey, just
like college or grade school.
It's a journey that takes youfrom point A to point B, with
the focus in this case, onunderstanding your own mind and
how it works and how you can useit, and how you can use it to
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your own benefit.
SPEAKER_03 (42:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (42:08):
How you can reprogram it.
SPEAKER_03 (42:11):
I think a good example, and I've said, I think
I said this a couple years agoin the podcast.
I did a uh 10-day silent retreatmany years ago now.
And if you're listening to thisexample, it absolutely across
the board applies to everybody.
I was sitting there focusing onmy nostrils, or you know, like
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how to breathe or how I'mbreathing, focusing on this
little spot.
And suddenly there was thisrecognition that my mind was
like not focused on my nostril.
Like, you know, it was offcarrying on these crazy things.
(43:02):
It was off in in another land,basically.
And it was so out there that I Ihadn't even realized that I had
pulled away from being focused.
And I thought to myself, numberone, how long have I how long
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has this been happening going onfor?
And after thinking about it awhile, I felt like it was maybe
like 20 minutes of it just goingcrazy.
And then I thought, and this wasa moment of recognition is who's
thinking here?
Who's doing the thinking?
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Like I thought I was in control.
So bringing that around to theschool, the community, we are
help, we're hoping that we helpyou over time regain elements of
control over your mind so thatyou have that that buffer, that
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that boundary around you thatsays, no, I'm not going to just
get caught up in life and godown rabbit holes and spiral
into emotions from the past orthoughts from the past.
We want to help you regain thatcontrol over your mind.
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And not saying that we're wehave tons of control over our
minds, but we have thought aboutthese reframes and we've been
helping people for a long time.
And so we think that there issomething, there's a nugget here
that that is something that we'dlike to share and help people
with.
SPEAKER_02 (44:47):
Yeah, I like the phrase meta thinking.
And I would say that I've beenengaged in meta thinking for
over 25 years, thinking aboutthinking, thinking about how my
mind works.
You know, it seems to be theplace where I make decisions, it
seems to be the place where Ireact to what's going on.
So, what is this thing that Icall my mind?
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Uh and who's in charge of that?
SPEAKER_03 (45:14):
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
So, as we wrap up here, ifyou're still with us, in if you
want to check out the community.
SPEAKER_02 (45:24):
Any questions?
SPEAKER_03 (45:26):
No, no questions right now.
Head on into either thedescription or the show notes,
or if it's on YouTube, yeah, thedescription below, and you'll
find a link to the community.
Again, right now it's it's freeto join.
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So yeah, come on out.
Come on down.
SPEAKER_02 (45:52):
And we love questions, so please ask.
SPEAKER_03 (45:54):
Please, please ask.
Don't be shy.
Lots of questions.
SPEAKER_02 (45:58):
We've even got a thing on our website that you
can ask questions completelyanonymously, but you can't even,
we can't even track you down.
Can't even find out who you are.
We can't ever know who it wasthat asked that question.
SPEAKER_03 (46:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (46:12):
And we don't mind that.
SPEAKER_03 (46:13):
Yeah.
It's under the podcast uh page.
All right.
Thanks for joining us.
We'll see you later.
We're all on the line.
SPEAKER_02 (00:13):
There we go.
There we go.
Technology has finally comearound.
Someday we're going to be goodat the technology.
SPEAKER_03 (00:20):
Yeah.
And I'm going to add this.
If you can hear us, just drop ayes in the comments or a hey in
the comments.
SPEAKER_02 (00:28):
It's one of them emoticons.
They're my favorite.
SPEAKER_03 (00:30):
Oh, yeah, the emoti emotions.
Emoties.
SPEAKER_00 (00:35):
Emoticons.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (00:40):
They can hear us.
SPEAKER_00 (00:44):
So morning.
SPEAKER_03 (00:45):
Yeah.
This morning has been I don'tknow.
It's been fast and furious.
Trying to get trying to pull ourstuff together.
We're still working on thetechnology.
Every day is a little different,but I think we might have it all
figured out today.
On number one, actuallyrecording.
(01:06):
Number two, our chat is nowworking.
So when we ask questions, peoplecan actually answer.
SPEAKER_02 (01:13):
The link on my Facebook finally worked.
SPEAKER_03 (01:15):
Yeah.
And Les has his links figuredout.
Yeah, so we had a question thismorning about the school.
If I was going to join theschool, our community, am I
signing up for a certain amountof time?
(01:37):
And the answer is so it's monthto month.
But that's when it's paid.
Right now it's it's free fornow.
And once we go to the paidoptions, uh we will have a
month-to-month membership andalso a yearly membership, if you
(01:59):
wish.
SPEAKER_02 (02:01):
And all kinds of options within that, isn't
there?
SPEAKER_03 (02:04):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Our idea is to have a stream forpeople that just maybe want a
few meditations here and there,and that'll be less than say if
you want to join in our programsand our school options.
And then we're gonna have ahypnotist version as well for
(02:24):
taking courses.
That's that's sort of in my mindright now.
Of course, it can change alongthe way.
We're constantly morphing here.
SPEAKER_02 (02:35):
Yeah, right now it's free because right now it's it's
being built and it's it's stillnew and fresh.
And although we have a wholebunch of ideas, there's only so
many hours in a day.
And there's sort of a there'salso a process to learning that
I I've been part of for such along time that it's sort of
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second nature to me.
And what I've learned as ahypnotist, as somebody who works
on his own mind and has helpedpeople work on theirs, is that
there's a kind of a consciousmind to subconscious mind
process.
Hypnotists talk about thecritical factor.
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And the critical factor is justit's the part of you that takes
responsibility for yourself.
The critical factor is the partthat is saying, I don't listen
to just anybody, and I don'tlisten to just anything, and I
don't change my mind easily.
(03:41):
And you know, that's a usefulthing in a world that has
anomalies, right?
You could show up to, let's say,Newfoundland, like I did one
summer when there was actually awhole lot of glacial melt up in
Greenland, which sent cold waterdown along the coast of
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Newfoundland.
And that was my very first visitto Newfoundland.
And we were right in the middleof July, and I was pretty darned
excited, and I was walkingaround wearing a winter coat
because that cold water hadbrought cold air, and it was
really quite literally like youknow, two, three degrees some
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days.
SPEAKER_03 (04:24):
Oh, yeah.
My nana had the fire in everyday.
SPEAKER_02 (04:26):
Yeah, so that's kind of an anomaly.
Now I can use that as myunderstanding of what
Newfoundland is.
It's just a cold, icy place.
But if I'd been there at anothertime in another summer, like
this past summer, where they hadheat waves that lasted from June
(04:51):
till the end of August, I mighthave, again, another different
view, understanding ofNewfoundland.
Our critical factor is just thatpart of us that encourages
critical thinking that'slogical, and logic takes place
in the conscious mind.
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And the critical factor helps usdecipher what is worthwhile
going in, what we should bepaying attention to.
Now, the critical factor hasessentially three really big
gateways where we have always,for the whole of our life, been
willing to let information in.
(05:34):
And the first one I think is areally dangerous one, while at
the same time, it's a speedyone, and that's the gateway of
authority.
SPEAKER_03 (05:48):
Yeah, parents.
I mean, it starts with parents,and then we're all messed up
from that.
SPEAKER_02 (05:57):
Everything mom and dad say is true, right?
Yeah, yeah.
At first, anyway, that wasthat's the way you built your
mind.
And this is in fact a lot of thestuff that we deal with.
We have to reprogram, notbecause of any ill intention.
I always say that some of themost difficult beliefs we have
in our mind were given to usgenerously, lovingly, with the
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best of intentions by ourparents.
They wanted us to be safe.
And as a result, a whole bunchof stuff went right into our
mind.
Remember, as children, we'rewe're living in an open
programmable state.
They talk about children beingconstantly in the theta state,
that that open-mindedness, thatbelow conscious, uh logical
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functioning.
But, you know, some people usethe tabula rasa.
I think that science suggeststhat these kinds of big sweeping
ideas aren't completelyaccurate.
But I think we can allunderstand because we've been
there, and those of us who havehad children have observed it.
Those who are close to children,aunts and uncles, have observed
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it.
Children are really open things.
They're really willing tobelieve what's told to them.
SPEAKER_03 (07:18):
Yeah, they're like little sponges, right?
Soaking up all the information.
And as a child, you don't knowwhere to place that information.
You don't know, and if you'vegot emotions attached to it,
you're not sure what to do withthe emotions.
So it just sort of locks in, itcreates these links between
emotion and event.
(07:39):
And of course, based on how manyof those events happen in a row,
it it you've got a meaningattached to that, and then a
more deeper emotion every singletime.
And so it's not just parents,it's I'm not gonna call out
everybody, but just think of anyauthority figure.
SPEAKER_02 (08:01):
Well, when you're young, you've got teachers.
SPEAKER_03 (08:03):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:04):
And if your family belongs to any kind of religious
practice, whoever the leader ofthat religion is, the pastor,
the imam, the the rabbi, all ofthese people in authority.
I mean, in many respects, I wentto Catholic school, and the nuns
were both teachers and nuns, andthat gave them sort of extra
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power.
The stuff they said was really,really listened to.
But that this is the world ofauthority.
This this idea of authoritydoesn't go away.
This idea of authority stayswith us all of our lives.
And so when we're very, veryyoung and we're very, very open,
and I'd even use the phrasevery, very empty, we're we're
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receiving constantly, more oftenthan not, in love,
understandings, and repetitionof these understandings creates
beliefs and philosophies, thesekinds of larger thinking
structures, larger approaches tolife.
I love philosophies.
I used to be big into trying toteach my kids philosophies
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because I think they're likeall-purpose rules.
They help us to stay on what wemight call the good side of
decision making in difficultcircumstances that we can't
anticipate.
And certainly your parents can'tteach you how to deal with every
possible situation that's goingto come your way, even before
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the age 10, right?
There's there's so many timesyou're out there and you are
alone.
And so when you're young, thesethings turn into belief
structures and philosophies veryquickly because we're
pattern-making people, right?
We like to see things assimilar, we like to put things
into groups, we like to organizethings because it helps us to
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know how to deal with things,how to respond to things, how to
get away from things, how tostay away from things.
These are all just methodologiesfor safety.
And that's probably the primarything your parents are really
trying to instill in you foryour first, you know, seven,
eight years at least.
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There's not a lot your parentssay to you.
Go for it.
Do that, you know, take achance.
It's not a message they give youvery often.
SPEAKER_03 (10:30):
I was told to become a lawyer, a doctor, or a
teacher.
And I did none of those.
Well, I'm sort of a teacher.
SPEAKER_02 (10:40):
The point is, your parents are just, you know,
we've got to lovingly look atthat kind of programming as
giving given to us from a placeof love, from a place of
protection.
And we have to, you know, Ithink one of the first big
reframes I always test on myclients, some clients are
already there, but some clientsaren't.
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One of the first big reframes Itest on my clients is parents
can be wrong.
I mean, parents can be wrong.
And if we can accept thatparents can be wrong, that there
isn't a manual, that they didn'twake up one day having a child,
they now knew everything theyneeded to know about life.
If we can accept that parentscan be wrong, we can do two
things that are reallyimportant.
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We can change our programmingand we can forgive because
forgiving parents is a big one.
SPEAKER_03 (11:30):
Have you ever come up?
Uh I I haven't used that reframeyet in my practice.
Um I'm gonna start now thatyou've said it.
But I've got a question for you.
Have you ever come up tosomebody who has a hard time
with that, but because they area parent and they don't want to
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think that they were wrong.
SPEAKER_02 (11:58):
Um, I haven't seen that particularly.
But what typically happens isI'll say, well, parents can be
wrong.
And they'll nod.
They'll say, Yes, of course.
It's like that.
And in their conscious mind,they're right there with me
because it makes all the sensein the world and it's really
hard to argue with.
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And we all have experiences andknowledge of you know, the
breadth of parenting that goeson out there, and it becomes
really easy for them on a on aconscious mind basis to say uh
parents can be wrong.
And then as we get into thesubconscious mind, as we use
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that reframe, we go into trance,we might regress to a time where
they were children.
They might be dealing with anemotion and an experience that
is getting in the way of theirlife now, but they don't know
it, they don't understand it.
So we'll regress back to thatmoment, and there they are as a
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child.
And they'll be they'll be very,very locked in to their
deference to their parents.
And so I'll use that reframe.
Well, remember now, parents canbe wrong, and that's when the
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resistance will happen.
Because there's sometimesancillary programs.
It's not just what the parentstaught you that you think is
important, but your parents kindof taught you in this world, if
there's anybody you trust, it'sus, right?
So it's there's kind of a layeron there.
There's a secondary program thatis now reinforcing the first.
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And I've seen that.
I've also seen a great deal offear in subjects in regression
when they're told, when they'rein a in a regressed state,
observing or being or in someway connected to that inner
child back then, a realresistance to the idea that
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their parents can be wrongbecause they have so much trust
in that, they have so muchinvested in that that it's scary
to see it differently.
And this is where, you know, ashypnotists, when we regress, we
almost always take support withus.
For me, I always I always havethe adult version who has agreed
consciously in this concept.
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I always take them to be withthe child.
SPEAKER_01 (14:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:31):
And when it gets really intense, I'll often call
in the higher self as well.
So there'll be a team of three.
There'll be the one who had theexperience, there'll be the
adult now who is looking at theexperience, and the higher self
who understands the meaning andpurpose of the experience and
what they were supposed to getout of it.
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And then I'll often just tellthe adult self, I'll say, I want
you to talk to the child andhelp them understand that
parents can be wrong and that'sokay.
They're doing their best andyou're strong now.
And and, you know, I'll oftensay to the child, look, look at
your adult self.
Here you are.
You're safe, you're strong.
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Your adult self understands thatparents can be wrong.
You're gonna be safe.
The fact that they're here isproof that you figured it out
and that you lived, that yousurvived, that you got through a
whole lot of stuff.
The fact that your adult self ishere is proof you can trust them
and get the younger self totrust the older self.
SPEAKER_03 (15:35):
I have a reframe that I use when we're talking to
the younger self or evenremoving a limiting belief from
the system.
If this was a brand new conceptin your life, you would never
accept it.
Right?
Like if some if you had neverheard before, oh, you're not
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good at that, or you're notgonna achieve that, or something
like that, you would havenothing to link it to, right?
So you would not, chances areyou would not accept it in your
mind.
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_02 (16:12):
I think so, yeah.
Yeah, I can see how you know,especially in a context where
you've got a subject who justdoesn't know what to believe,
right?
Anyway, that's the that's theidea of the critical factor.
The critical factor is that partof us that says, these new
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ideas, I'm not so sure.
But authority gets through thecritical factor almost all of
our lives.
What happens as we get older iswe often reject people's
authority.
We start to say, you know, whereis your authority coming from?
And so we're now a little morerestrictive on what we allow in,
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but we still tend to be open toauthority.
And, you know, when our whenwhen we take a course and a
professor says something, we'repredisposed usually to believe
it.
I've had lots of students, andand I I used to say this in my
class, and I believe it verystrongly.
I want a student with healthyscope skepticism.
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I want a student with healthyskepticism.
I want them to be able to thinkof the idea, use their own
critical thinking, and askthemselves, do they think that's
real?
Do they think that's true?
We tend to turn to science assome kind of all-purpose proof
when we make statements that arenew to people.
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But we should all have a healthyskepticism of just about
everything we receive.
And for me, you know, the one Iuse with my clients is says who,
right?
Says who.
Where does this information comefrom?
And I also think that there's alot of value in learning how to
differentiate between types ofsentences, types of statements,
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right?
There are statements that arefacts, you know, like the
weather report, which I didn'tgive today, it's overcast today,
and the wind is moving out ofthe out of the east across the
water.
You know, these are just facts.
And unless you're here, itreally doesn't affect you.
But these are these are justfacts.
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There's fact statements, but itbecomes an opinion statement the
instant I say it's a dreary dayhere by the lake.
unknown (18:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:43):
Because I'm now taking the fact that it's
overcast and there's a breezeand I'm interpreting it
negatively.
SPEAKER_03 (18:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:50):
And that's an opinion.
Right.
Some people love this weather,right?
The duck hunters are loving thisweather.
Right.
It makes it it makes it goodconditions for them to go duck
hunting, right?
So it's uh it's uh, I think astrong ability to hear the
difference between aninterpretation and a and an
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opinion versus a fact.
And that's one of those criticalthinking techniques, I think is
really valuable as we learn newthings.
So authority is one of thosethings that goes right through
and into the subconsciousprogram.
The second thing that goes rightthrough the subconscious
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program, right through thecritical factor, right into the
subconscious is trauma.
SPEAKER_03 (19:43):
Yeah.
Accidents, physical traumas,childhood traumas.
Yeah.
I have lots of people who havebeen in car accidents.
And yeah, they just they justfeel like a part of them is
always on guard now or anxious.
(20:04):
Uh some people snowstorms, youknow, a lot to do with cars.
But yeah, just just linkingeverything.
So even the car that hit them,the color of the car, if they
see that, it it brings it allback again, you know?
SPEAKER_02 (20:21):
Yeah.
Trauma goes right into some ofour most core programs.
And I think one of the mostimportant core programs we have
is I am safe and I am capable.
I am safe and capable of dealingwith this world.
And trauma brings that deepprogram into question
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immediately.
I think that it's important topoint out that trauma is about
interpretation.
Excuse me.
Trauma is about the meaning thatwe place on events.
It's not necessarily the eventitself.
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So let's be playful and talkabout the Blue Jays losing the
World Series.
Some people might jokingly say,I was traumatized.
Other people might be totallyindifferent and say, What's a
World Series?
And what's going on?
I'm not aware of that.
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It's the same event interpreteddeeply differently.
For those hardcoredied-in-the-wolf Toronto Blue
Jays fans, they're stillsuffering over the fact that
their team was so close, was sogood, had virtually won it a
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number of times, and didn't endup winning it.
That for them is somethingthey're going to continue to
process.
And it's it's difficult forthem.
And for others, it's it's anon-event.
It just didn't happen, it's justnot important.
Now I'm being I'm beinglighthearted there talking about
that.
(22:11):
But my point is that two peoplecan have the exact same event
take place in front of them, andit will have a different impact
on their core programming.
And trauma is that intensity ofemotion that you can't manage.
(22:33):
And since most of all, you'reprogrammed to survive, you're
programmed to just get around,get through, get past, stay
safe.
Anything that brings that intoquestion is a trauma.
(22:55):
And you know, for little kids,you know, I would say anybody
under the age of five, atraumatic experience goes to the
core of their existence, goes totheir actual fear of survival.
Their fears when they're very,very young, you know, as infants
and little children, is justthat they're gonna die.
(23:18):
That their true self is inquestion, their true survival is
at risk.
That is the way to honor andgently approach trauma in those
that are very, very young.
(23:41):
So you sort of double the impactbecause as adults we can be
traumatized, but we already havea critical factor, we've already
got a conscious mind, we'realready functioning very
logically, but as children, wedon't have those protections.
And so trauma very young uhreally shapes the way we see the
world.
SPEAKER_03 (24:02):
Yeah, and I've I don't know what I would if I
would label this as trauma, butit definitely, definitely well,
I guess I I guess I would llabel it as trauma because it is
affecting the client now inlife.
But sometimes we go back in timeand it's just one of those times
(24:27):
where mom or dad did not comeinto the room to pick them up,
right?
And so they start feeling well,what is wrong with me?
And again, these aren't thoughtsthat the little baby is
thinking, but it is an emotionthat is a frequency of thought,
I believe.
(24:47):
And and so there's there'shealing to be done there, but
absolutely those kinds of thingscan influence how you view your
own security now in life.
SPEAKER_02 (25:02):
Yeah, and so it it there's the childhood programs,
and then there are the thetraumatic events of adulthood,
and it's unique to the person.
You can't say that somebodyshould or shouldn't be
traumatized.
What matters is an intensity ofemotion, an intensity so great
(25:25):
that they're not able to processit in a relieving way, in a
satisfying way.
And that's really, you know, thestep one is always just to honor
that.
Honor that that was theirexperience.
That's what they went through.
And then, you know, as we do inhypnosis, uh gently and steadily
(25:50):
help them reprogram that,reinterpret that, reframe that
so that it's not having the sameimpact on their deeper
programming, their deepermethodology of living.
SPEAKER_03 (26:07):
So that would lead to the third the third way of
accessing the subconscious mindfast uh is hypnosis.
SPEAKER_02 (26:17):
Theta state, theta state meditation, theta state
hypnosis.
We we call it hypnosis.
Sometimes I love the word,sometimes I hate the word
because it has so manyconnotations, right?
SPEAKER_00 (26:30):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (26:30):
Let's let's take a little side trip there.
Denotation and connotation.
I remember studyingcommunications, studying
symbolism.
That was the big one of my bigthemes when I was young.
I was really interested insymbolism, how things represent
other things.
(26:51):
And that that's the way wethink, right?
That's why hypnosis works sowell, is that it's in metaphor.
We tell stories that aresimilar, we imagine things that
are similar or more simplistic.
The body, the mind respondreally well to metaphor and to
the idea of story and to theidea of symbolism.
(27:15):
Anyway, uh denotation is a wordis what the word is, right?
Uh, statement is what thestatement is.
I can say it's overcast, right?
Or the the one I enjoy using isI can say it's cool outside.
The connotation, the meaning itreally has might be that I
(27:35):
really like it.
It's cool out there, right?
Or I might be denotingsomething, meaning it's just you
know below five degrees outthere.
Denotation and connotation arebig ideas, and so we use words
that are packed withconnotations, we use imagery
that is packed withconnotations, bigger meanings,
(27:59):
broader and more comforting.
So once we get a client into thetheta state, which is simply
that their mind slows, they'renot using it for conscious
thought anymore.
Their mind, the pattern on anEEG is is slower, broader.
(28:24):
Their mind is more internallyfocused.
They they are they're you can'treally get to a theta state.
Well, you let's just use that.
Typically, you can't get to atheta state unless you're in a
calm, quiet environment whereyou feel safe to turn your
attention away from the externalworld and to the internal world.
(28:47):
And that's why hypnoticinduction is really done in a
quiet room with the lightsdimmed, with no external
stimulus.
You're under a blanket in agreat big chair that is
completely supporting you sothat you become less aware of
your physical senses.
(29:09):
That allows you to go into yourmind.
It allows you to feel safeenough to consider what comes up
in your mind.
And these are these are timeswhen it is easier to go around
and through the critical mind,the critical factor, which
allows us to simply cause it topause and say, is that true?
(29:33):
You're safe right now.
You can reconsider theprogramming.
It's kind of like, you know, theanalogy I use that works for a
lot of clients, it's kind oflike turning your computer off
or shutting down all theprograms before you try to
change the programs, right?
You're going to get your mind ina safe place so that it can
reconsider the programs thatit's carrying around.
SPEAKER_03 (29:57):
Yeah, and and I think it's important for people
to know that your conscious mindisn't disappearing, right?
It is about just not having thejargon that is constantly going
through our mind.
Yeah, but I don't know aboutthat.
(30:20):
Oh, I'm anxious about that.
Those sort of those those kindsof thoughts just drift away.
And you're more thoughtful aboutyour internal environment.
What's going on for me rightnow?
What what am I working on?
So it's not that I remember whenI when I first went for hypnosis
(30:41):
as a client, and I wasterrified.
I mean, I was going because Iwas desperate, but I was
terrified that I was going tobecome somebody else or go to
sleep and wake up somethingelse, or that I wouldn't have
control over my mind.
Want to make it very apparentthat you do have control of your
(31:01):
mind.
You can you can open your eyesat any point and say, no, this
is not for me.
You can even say, hey, I gottago to the bathroom like
mid-session.
And then you go to the bathroom,come back.
So it's not about losing yourconscious mind, as we call it,
conscious mind.
It's about letting go of thethoughts that get in the way of
(31:25):
making those deeper changes thatyou wish to make.
SPEAKER_02 (31:29):
Yeah, I think that you touch on something that's
really real.
That I think a lot of people, Iwon't say most people, but I
will say more than half of thepeople I've worked with are
afraid of their own mind.
They're afraid of going inthere.
They're afraid of looking to seewhat's in there.
(31:52):
They're afraid of facing thingsthat have caused them to be very
harshly judging themselves.
I mean, it's one of the biggest,biggest things that we have to
deal with when we're inhypnosis.
It's kind of like an ancillaryto almost everything we do is
(32:14):
helping people trust and lovethemselves.
In our minds, and probablynowhere else in the world, I
guess is the best way to say it.
Nowhere in the universe is therea list of all your mistakes
(32:38):
except in your own mind.
Nowhere in the universe issomebody keeping score about the
things you did wrong, except inyour own mind.
And nowhere in the universe doesanybody really know how you
(33:03):
think of yourself, except inyour own mind.
And our self-view is somethingthat we change with great
resistance.
Our self-view believes that ithas lots of reasons to think
(33:25):
this way about yourself, aboutmyself.
It's aware of every single eventin the whole of your life that
justifies thinking this wayabout you.
And it clings to those events asjudgments.
(33:49):
And judgments being the criticalword, judgment being
condemnation, some degree ofcondemnation.
When judgment becomes a way ofapproaching everything, and
(34:12):
condemnations pile up in thesubconscious mind.
(34:43):
I think the first way to dealwith that is I try to remind my
clients, and it's almostuniversally true, that there is
someone in their life that theylove so much that they could
forgive them for anything.
They could look past anything.
(35:25):
And then maybe remind yourselfthat there are people who look
past all your errors, all yourmistakes.
And that gives you permission tolook past all your mistakes and
love you anyway.
So that's a that's a simple wayof addressing that big picture.
SPEAKER_03 (35:56):
I want to throw it out there right now if anyone
has any questions, just put itin the comments.
Let us know what you'd like tohear about or any questions
about what we've talked about.
SPEAKER_02 (36:16):
So I'm not sure how we got to talking about the
critical factor and gettingaround it.
It's all good.
It's all good though.
Who got us there?
SPEAKER_03 (36:26):
How long if someone joins if someone joins our
school, our community, how longdo they sign up for?
SPEAKER_02 (36:38):
The mind is an amazing thing, the way it can
get you to places.
Were we talking about the formatof courses?
Or was that uh headed towardsthe format of courses?
SPEAKER_03 (36:55):
Uh I was talking about how we're gonna have
courses for individuals, coursesfor hypnotists and individuals,
and maybe my talk about thehypnosis courses spurred that.
SPEAKER_02 (37:08):
No, I think what it was was I was thinking about
talking about the framework ofthe courses.
So the courses that we'reconstructing right now, that I
was working on yesterday, we'llbe working on all day today,
have a certain structure.
As a school, first of all, wewant it to be a community.
And so there are all kinds ofsort of community chat threads
(37:32):
that allow us to just talk abouttopics that allow you to ask
questions.
And we want you to, we want youto just dive in, put some put
some questions in there, youknow, about any topic you want.
Start your own thread and andlet's get talking.
And in those threads, there'sgoing to be specific threads
(37:55):
targeted at particular courses.
So far, I've done somerecordings on what we call the
preschool.
And the preschool is just somebasic ideas about hypnosis,
including a hypnosis pre-talk,which is part of which is
actually in there this morningnow.
In there this morning, which isin the classroom.
Sorry.
Just sort of a classic way wediscuss hypnosis with our
(38:17):
clients to prepare them.
Because when a client uh goesthrough a pre-talk, the chances
of success go up astronomically.
They've measured this over andover and over.
Not only does the chance ofsuccess of hypnosis go way up,
like 80% up, but theeffectiveness of the hypnosis
itself goes way up becausepeople become aware.
(38:40):
And it's why I feel good talkingabout what we talked about this
morning, being aware of yourmind, starting to become a
little bit more observing ofyour mind rather than just sort
of trapped within it.
But the courses are going todeal first on this on the
conscious mind level.
Here's some ideas.
Here's some ideas you haven'tyet considered.
(39:03):
And reframing when it is trueand when it means something
about you is very effective inthe complete living of your
life.
It's those philosophies, it'sthose big picture things, you
know, that that really embraceyou and can carry you through
(39:29):
almost any kind of experience.
So to reframe starts with theconscious mind saying, yeah,
that makes sense.
Parents can be wrong.
And then you go into a thetastate and you address it there.
And so each course is going tohave, I'm trying to get them a
shorter and shorter.
They're getting shorter, honest,they are.
(39:50):
They're going to keep gettingshorter and shorter, these
little lessons that focus onconscious mind thinking, a
reframe that's followed by ameditation.
It won't be a long meditation,but it'll be followed by a
meditation where you can go intoa theta state and you can
consider this reframe and how itmight play out in your life, how
(40:14):
it might bring peace to you,bring bring calmness, might
buffer emotions, might betterunderstand emotions, um, which
is a whole series of reframesthat are coming.
And so we're gonna get some somebasic core ideas about reframing
in there, and then every weekwe're gonna have another reframe
(40:36):
in there with another meditationthat you can listen to, a short
lesson, 15 minutes, and thenmove on to a meditation where
you can allow your subconsciousmind to reconsider and reprocess
and reprogram.
And then there'll be a the chatall about that, right?
(40:57):
That thread will be all aboutthat particular reframe, and we
can talk about it and we cantalk about resistances that we
have to it.
We can talk about what the theconscious mind and the
subconscious mind, theirinteraction and their their
friction.
And we can really just be muchmore helpful with ideas.
And as time goes on, there willbe all these recordings and
(41:19):
there will be all these chatthreads that have already
started, but you can join andtake it from wherever point
you're at.
And our intention is to beavailable, you know, add to that
the fact that we're here, we'rehere live this morning.
We're gonna try to be live everyday at some point as a way of
being available to the peoplewho join the school.
(41:43):
And I like to think of theschool as as a journey, just
like college or grade school.
It's a journey that takes youfrom point A to point B, with
the focus in this case, onunderstanding your own mind and
how it works and how you can useit, and how you can use it to
(42:06):
your own benefit.
SPEAKER_03 (42:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (42:08):
How you can reprogram it.
SPEAKER_03 (42:11):
I think a good example, and I've said, I think
I said this a couple years agoin the podcast.
I did a uh 10-day silent retreatmany years ago now.
And if you're listening to thisexample, it absolutely across
the board applies to everybody.
I was sitting there focusing onmy nostrils, or you know, like
(42:35):
how to breathe or how I'mbreathing, focusing on this
little spot.
And suddenly there was thisrecognition that my mind was
like not focused on my nostril.
Like, you know, it was offcarrying on these crazy things.
(43:02):
It was off in in another land,basically.
And it was so out there that I Ihadn't even realized that I had
pulled away from being focused.
And I thought to myself, numberone, how long have I how long
(43:22):
has this been happening going onfor?
And after thinking about it awhile, I felt like it was maybe
like 20 minutes of it just goingcrazy.
And then I thought, and this wasa moment of recognition is who's
thinking here?
Who's doing the thinking?
(43:44):
Like I thought I was in control.
So bringing that around to theschool, the community, we are
help, we're hoping that we helpyou over time regain elements of
control over your mind so thatyou have that that buffer, that
(44:06):
that boundary around you thatsays, no, I'm not going to just
get caught up in life and godown rabbit holes and spiral
into emotions from the past orthoughts from the past.
We want to help you regain thatcontrol over your mind.
(44:26):
And not saying that we're wehave tons of control over our
minds, but we have thought aboutthese reframes and we've been
helping people for a long time.
And so we think that there issomething, there's a nugget here
that that is something that we'dlike to share and help people
with.
SPEAKER_02 (44:47):
Yeah, I like the phrase meta thinking.
And I would say that I've beenengaged in meta thinking for
over 25 years, thinking aboutthinking, thinking about how my
mind works.
You know, it seems to be theplace where I make decisions, it
seems to be the place where Ireact to what's going on.
So, what is this thing that Icall my mind?
(45:10):
Uh and who's in charge of that?
SPEAKER_03 (45:14):
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
So, as we wrap up here, ifyou're still with us, in if you
want to check out the community.
SPEAKER_02 (45:24):
Any questions?
SPEAKER_03 (45:26):
No, no questions right now.
Head on into either thedescription or the show notes,
or if it's on YouTube, yeah, thedescription below, and you'll
find a link to the community.
Again, right now it's it's freeto join.
(45:48):
So yeah, come on out.
Come on down.
SPEAKER_02 (45:52):
And we love questions, so please ask.
SPEAKER_03 (45:54):
Please, please ask.
Don't be shy.
Lots of questions.
SPEAKER_02 (45:58):
We've even got a thing on our website that you
can ask questions completelyanonymously, but you can't even,
we can't even track you down.
Can't even find out who you are.
We can't ever know who it wasthat asked that question.
SPEAKER_03 (46:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (46:12):
And we don't mind that.
SPEAKER_03 (46:13):
Yeah.
It's under the podcast uh page.
All right.
Thanks for joining us.
We'll see you later.
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