August 12, 2025 • 42 mins
In this inspiring episode, Kris sits down with Nick Jackson, a resilient farmer whose journey from a challenging upbringing to a leader in plant medicine cultivation is nothing short of remarkable.
Raised by a single mom who passed away when he was just 16, Nick found solace and purpose in plant medicine. With a positive attitude and a mission to give back through his Grow2Give initiative, he shares how his past shaped his passion for cultivating healing plants.
Tune in for a heartfelt conversation about overcoming adversity, the magic of plant medicine, and growing with purpose.
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I am positively Chris Pace and you are actively listening to
conversations with Chris. Hey, what's up everyone?
It's Chris. And we are back again, this time
with a very special guest. As a matter of fact, so special
that I am flying across the country to go stay with him in a
couple weeks. That's how special he is.
Nick Jackson, What's up, my brother?
How are you? Oh man, blessed for another
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beautiful day. Chris, how about you, my friend?
Every time I hear your voice man, it makes me relax.
I just love the way you talk. You got this.
Like, Oh yeah, that's that radiovoice going down.
Yeah, brother, you could have a podcast no problem.
I'd be on your show all day. Bring it, bring it, let's have
some fun. Hey, tell me what's going on,
Nick. Tell me about your life.
Tell me how you got from zero tocoolest guy.
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I know. I'd like to know how that
happened. Oh, stupid man, I'm I'm humbled
by by your awesomeness, bro. I grew up in Walla Walla, WA, a
town so nice they named it twiceand getting back on like the
Looney Tunes stuff. Yeah, dude, back on, like when I
was a kid on Looney Tunes, they used to say that the Roadrunner
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would get these packages or Wiley Coyote for the Roadrunner,
and it'd say Acme, Acme Corporation, Walla Walla WA
dude, Looney Tunes. So anyhow, remember that now.
Yeah, dude, super classic, superclassic.
Real place, man. It's home of the sweet onions,
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lots of asparagus farming, and ahuge state prison.
Because, like, wow, wow. You know, thanks for sitting
looks, it sounds really appealing.
So anyhow, man, yeah, just been was raised by a single mom.
I lost her to a very traumatic experience when I was 16.
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Put me out on my own, very little family, you know, never
even got a chance to meet my Padre and all the time growing
up and just kind of got on this mission man.
Started really self medicating with cannabis and mushrooms at
an early age. Mushrooms, I think really
holding me off from from being too crazy out there.
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And I grew up just very, very, you know, didn't have a lot of
resources, so to speak. And, and so it was a challenge
and I think that helped build the character and the Spartan
that I am today. Man, that's, that's exactly what
it is. You know, I always tell people,
I say you never see a superhero who came from an easy
background. They all have.
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Tragedy in their lives and they overcome it and they become
stronger because of it. And that's what makes them
super. And so the same thing with us,
man. I'm the same way, man.
Terrible upbringing, terrible life, terrible trauma, just, you
know, just on top of misery, on top of suffering.
But I keep waking up every day and keep moving forward.
And that's been my, my only saving grace is that I don't
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believe that anything can stop me because any object in motion
stays in motion until it's met by an object of equal or more
force. And I'm convinced there's not
anything out there that's stronger than me.
So I. Just that's right, brother.
That's right. That's the thought.
No, I agree with you, man. That's, it's the universe kind
of putting us through because we've got this higher, higher
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calling, I believe. And, you know, after all the
stuff that we've been through the, you know, being present in
this moment, what a blessing to be able to, you know, give back
and, and, and kind of be out there helping people and, and,
and giving them a tool. Not even really, you know, you
know, being there and and and being in the ears to listen and
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maybe, you know, use their mouthto conversate and give some
opinion. But a lot of people just need to
listen to that, be able to unload and get a little bit of
feedback. Not a lot.
And sometimes these tools work, you know, some different for
each person. Right down to breathing and
yoga, Chris, you know, I mean, look at meditation.
It is one of the most non psychotropic, but totally
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psychedelic experiences we couldget into just breathing.
And so I mean, having some of these tools and being surrounded
like by angels and Spartans likeyou and, and these other people
that have came into our lives. It's time to change the world
and, and give, give these avenues.
Not that we're doing it all. We're doing it as a collective
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and, and, and creating these spots and setting settings with
these. Just all I can say is that
angels, man, people that believein what's going on, that need it
as much as they want to give it and help with it, you know, it's
just full reciprocity. There's so much evil in the
world today. I think there's also was born a
generation of us that are pure good, pure truth, pure light.
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And those, they're the ones thatcome back the evil that's on
this earth. And I believe that this is the
team, you know, we're being built.
We've been tested, we've been tried.
We've been, you know, prepared our whole lives.
It wasn't easy, but we agreed tothis before we got here, you
know what I'm saying? Like this?
Was a. And there's no, you know, I tell
people all the time, look, thereis, I did not come this far just
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to come this far. There has to be a purpose for me
to still be here because I've done everything I can to get out
of here and I ain't here. I, I, my guardian Angel is
Raphael and he's an Archangel. And he's watching me right now
because my brother who just passed away and I lost my little
brother less than a month ago, you know, 44 years old, alcohol
got him. And now I got him up there too,
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watching my back. So I mean, you know, it's going
to take us staying steadfast to our truth.
And then yoga, we call it Satya,which is the ultimate truth.
So everybody has a truth, but there's one truth and that's
that ultimate truth. And that's where it comes from.
Anything you do from love, bam, you got your truth.
Anything you do from fear, you got some craziness so.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a it's a balance, as we
know, man, and, and even in our self being present and just
playing that balancing act. You know, I, I think to be
human, we do that every day and and surround ourselves with
people who are like minded, havethe same kind of goal.
In the end is really what's inspiring and and allows me to
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to want to keep going. And then to be totally honest,
once I've, you know, saw my first son, it was just like,
wow, now here's a reason to live, you know, you know,
creating little amazing human beings that, you know, my,
that's my number one job. And I never had that, you know,
as growing up, just me and my mom.
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So I got to lead by what I always wanted to have.
So I, I, I pride myself on, on having that be a really, really
one of my #1 jobs, man. Yeah, that's amazing, man.
And then, you know, not only areyou raising kids, but you're
also raising medicine and plants.
When did you fall in love with that life?
I mean, you just go to horticulture in high school and
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all of a sudden you were hooked or what?
Oh man, So you know. Like they.
Sounded like a farmer place. Total farmer.
Total farmer. And So what happened?
You know, when I was younger, mymom passed when I was 16.
One of her, I worked in a dairy with this gentleman and he, he
pulled me to the side and he says, I really loved your mom.
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She was a great gal. I want to I want to show you a
skill that that I think will help you.
You know, I think he said he noticed, you know, me working
for him probably noticed I was alittle hustler, you know, 16
years old, selling weed already,already mixed up in that game.
And he taught me how to grow weed.
And this is 1996. And that was when I really got
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into plant medicine and that could, it calmed me down and,
and maybe was a, you know, a little relief from my pain that
I was experiencing by losing my mom, obviously, 'cause I wasn't
a huge drinker. And my mom grown up, she, she
loved to drink and, or I can saylove to, but she, she drank and
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she was, you know, on opioids because I think everybody in the
70s and 80s was, if you had any issue, they were throwing you on
pills, unfortunately. And so.
We were giving out pills to everybody.
What, you got a headache? Here's some oxycodone.
You know, like, yeah, exactly. And you know, bro, I mean,
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coming from the military, they're, they're happy to give
prescriptions. And it's sad because they really
should be giving plant medicine and, and people supporting other
people, which is, which is huge,man.
And, and, and you just got to get into this whole mentality
of, of, of, you know, breast processing, You got to give to
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get, and sometimes you just giveand you know that something's
going to come back in the long haul and.
You're not expecting it, you're not doing it for that reason.
You just to keep giving. I mean, I tell all the time, I'm
like the best people I know are the ones that are always doing
for others. And that's me.
That's how I live my life. I feel better about myself by
helping other people, a little bit of talent OR a little bit of
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ability. And it's the only one person I
tell everybody if you need somebody to talk to you ever,
you call me, I'll answer my phone and I'll talk to you as
long as you want. Because I know what it's like to
be alone. I know what it's like to be on
my own. I know what it's like to be
scared. I know what it's like to feel
isolated. And that's not a good feeling.
And I don't want anybody to evergo through that.
And so I make myself available all the time just to sit and
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chat. Because you're an Angel, bro.
You're, you're on the mission and you're, you're, you know
that that's truth right there. So I should.
I should have ended up the opposite.
I was violent, young as a kid, beat views, all that stuff, you
know. But honestly, I think you have
to understand one side of thingstogether saying the other side
of things, you know so. Totally concur, man.
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I mean, that that's part of being real is I don't think you
know the bads. I can't, I don't think you can
appreciate the goods until you know, the bads.
And, and sometimes it's extreme,but I believe that we're here
for a lesson, you know, and all these, all these bad things,
they're really just things that we need to learn from.
And, and how we perceive and look at it, if it's positive or
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negative is truly up to us. And so I mean, having that
control, having this freedom of choice, and how blessed are we
to be a part of this earth no matter what's going on and.
And absolutely, we're flying on a rock through space and we just
happened to catch a fireball right distance away.
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You know what I mean? Like, and it's like, wait, tell
me again what your problems were, 'cause yeah, the odds of
everything blinding up the way it is, it's just absolutely
ridiculous. I think the odds are like one in
700 trillion, you have a better chance of winning the lottery 10
times in a row. But yet still people find things
to complain about every day. And that's what we got to get
out of. We got to get out of that
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negative mentality. I say every day you have an
opportunity each day to be either a victim or a champion,
but you have to pick every time a situation arises.
Am I going to let this stop me or am I going to be just to pole
vault me forward? Learn from.
It and that's it. And that's all it is.
Victim champion, Victim champion, Victim champion, all
day, every day, and as long. As you keep.
Champion, you're going to continue to be on top, you're
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going to continue to meet the right people, you're going to be
in the right places and it's just going to keep moving well
and obviously the medicine that I mean the stuff that you're
doing out there, I'm not seeing the time period ever where
people are so focused on lookinginto plant medicine.
I mean, these states are investing money into ibogaine
and into, you know, all these different psilocybin's basically
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done deal. You know that's going to be
coming through soon because. Yeah, I mean, that's it's due
time, bro. I mean, these are all medicines
that are really, you know, the taboo of curing instead of just
treating, you know, Iboga, for instance, you know, as I've told
you and you know about it as well.
I mean that ibogaine and iboga, the difference being ibogaine is
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an isolate, more of a synthetic version that's isolated one
compound out of that plant wherethe iboga is the whole, all
these alkylates 30 plus, I don'tknow, something crazy.
So you have this whole full spectrum effect and, and I know
that, you know, our pharmaceutical Western medicine
is definitely easier to allow something that is synthesized
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and isolated. But man, I'm so thankful that,
you know, just like you said, mushrooms, psilocybin, they
haven't synthesized that yet. They're still throwing in these
mushrooms. And, and we're having extremely
amazing results that are just profound for a lot of these
people that were suffering for so many years and suffering with
the Western medicine, just popping them full of pills,
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trying to numb them down. And it's, it's just it, it's
terrible. It's a money making thing that
our government has been been, you know, putting forth and not
looking out for its people. And I'm, I'm thankful to to be a
part of this day and age where it's actually come in truth,
man, being able to come and, andI know they starting out in town
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and it's all this facilities, you know, that's where we kind
of broke the box and, you know, with our boy Chancy and, and,
you know, the House of us, we started a, you know, PMA and a
church and we're really focused with, you know, with Willowood
Wellness with really being able to get out to those first
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responders, those veterans, those people that are traveling
to Mexico, to Canada. And it's like, come on, guys,
let's we're doing the right thing.
So it, it, it comes to a point where it's like the, the, the
grizzly bear can't hide behind the tree.
He's got to come out and say, I'm a bear.
I'm trying to get the honey. You know, I'm doing a good
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thing. I'm making medicine, you know,
or whatever the case may be. But it's that time, man.
And so the upper, the upper governments and the people that
were in such a taboo to for so many years are finally seeing it
on 60 minutes, seeing Juan on CBS mornings, you know, doing
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doing 5 MEO Bufo with these, with these veterans who are at
their wit's end. Man, as you talked about how
many people a day are taking their own lives, who how many
people a day are self medicatingto die, you know when something
naturally is running around themand we can grab that and go, oh
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dude, brother, try this out man.I think this is going to change
your day. No, this is going to change your
life. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
And it's it's the truth, obviously.
I just had one on the show. Thanks to you, man, I learned so
much about Bufo. I was like, I had no idea that
Bufo was the real thing. If I were me, it was the
synthetic version. And then they were made totally
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different. And then he was telling me how
the frogs or toads that you haveto go get or actually have to
stay in their environment, you can't move away from their
environment or else. Yeah.
And I'm like, man, that's natureat its most beautiful living
Organism state, you know what I'm saying?
Like, everything has to be in balance in order for it to work,
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otherwise it just doesn't work. And I think us stopping
earthing, stepping in the grass,putting our hands in the soil,
touching the Earth, You know, there's a whole generation of
people over in China that will never step foot on planet Earth.
They're born in a hospital on concrete.
They go to school on concrete. They go to doctor on concrete.
They live on concrete. They never put their feet on the
grass. I sat with a multimeter and
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checked my frequency or my voltage and amperage.
And I mean my current changes asI touch the Earth the more.
Guaranteed man, I'm. Charging charge.
We're charging matters. Yeah, I mean, it goes back to
Nikolai Tesla. I mean, all these guys, there is
so much frequency and energy in the frequency that's all around
us from dark matter to matter that we see and, and and it's
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all here, man. So, you know, being able to give
these guys, you know, these amazing people like yourself who
have who have volunteered their life for our freedom, for our
well-being. You know, fortunately, you know,
thankfully most coming home a lot loosen and you know, from
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their families, from their friends.
We need this medicine. We need a way to ground back out
and connect with the earth. That's why we kind of, you know,
when we were starting Whirlwind,we're looking at these hotels in
town. I was like, there's no way that
you could do this shit in town. You can't do this.
You got to get out and touch your feet into that grass.
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You got to go out and put your feet in the Creek in the pond.
You know, here are the verbs. See these eagles flying over
these messages from Mother Nature?
Just telling you dude, you're here for a reason.
You're doing the right thing. So.
Take care of yourself. We can't take care of anything
around us. We don't feed ourselves and take
care of ourselves properly. So Speaking of plant medicine, I
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don't think I've ever seen more stuff in the news that I have
lately. I mean.
It's just my algorithm, but I mean, I get at least 10
psilocybin things a day on Instagram, LinkedIn, yeah.
So I mean, I think there's a movement happening and I think
people are hungry for a different solution finally.
And I think the government actually input that's in place
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is encouraging it. It sounds like they're going to
really push the psilocybin for the veterans like you said. 22
to 40. 4 vets a day commit suicide in America, which is an
astronomical number. Should not be the case.
I have the cure, I have the recipe for fixing it.
I just need all the people to beright at the place, and then I
need the government or somebody to give me the money to get it
started. But it's an easy solution.
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I've been through it. I know how to fix it.
You know, the medicine side of, as we were talking about
earlier, of yoga combined with plant medicine is exponentially
more powerful. Huge man.
It's all about building a healthy routine.
You know, I mean, at our place, we, we, we grow on site food.
You know, that's our goal. I raise my own chicken.
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So we've got our own eggs. We raise our own beef.
We've got our own, you know, hamburger steaks, all that
stuff. It's made with organic inputs.
It's made with appreciating whatwe're growing, even down to the
medicine, the catches, you know,we're growing on site.
Like you said about the toads, you can't bring the toads up
because once they're out of their element, they don't
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produce the same kind of medicine.
It's just like us, we have to bein our natural elements to
thrive, you know, and, and, and then once we're thriving, that
we can radiate that love and that appreciation out and really
start helping people. That's right.
That's right. And once you become a servant to
other people, man, that's when you really become successful
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because you realize that the success lies and the fact that
you have the opportunity to makea difference in someone else's
life, whether you choose to or not.
And that's where that free will comes into play is what
separates the good guys from thebad guys.
Because ultimately, and most people I know they're, you know
you, I was talking to someone earlier and I teach all the
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time. You're the collective, some of
the five closest people in your life.
So if you sat down and made a list of the five closest people
you have and wrote their qualities and they're, let's say
less than qualities just to keepit positive, that's who you are.
And if you see somebody in therewith a bunch of things that you
don't like, you've probably changed that person out for
somebody else. Doesn't mean they're not your
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friend. You just want your top five to
be the best people you can possibly.
Because if you hang out with five smokers, you're going to
become a smoker. If you hang out five
millionaires, you're going to become a millionaire.
So true, so true. Yeah.
I mean, we, we hope to inspire the ones we're around and, and
be inspired by them as well. And, and I think that's building
a positive team. You know, I really like to call
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it a family because, you know, coming from not a big or not a
family really at all. You know, we built our family
with friends and people who were, you know, in the same
mission and, and, and that loyalty to one another and, and,
and treating people, I think wanted to be treated man.
And none of us are perfect. So we're all trying to do this
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every day, but surrounding ourselves with people that that
again, inspire us and we can inspire them.
It's a give and take in this world.
And I, I believe that that reciprocity is just finding the
people that we need to be around.
The Mother Nature and the Law ofAttraction puts us.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
I think that's a a big time statement right there.
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I mean, it's all about the, the energy, the frequency that you
put out. And sometimes your frequency re
elevates and just because it does, not everybody's going to
come with you. There's going to be a whole
group of people on another frequency that are ready to hear
what you have to say, ready to be a part of your life.
So you can't, you can't ever stay stuck because if you do,
you're going to miss out on all the opportunities because we
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just don't even realize when we grow, when we actually hit our
truth. You start living in your truth
long enough, man, and everythingjust becomes very clear.
And I think Sarah Yardley, who'sthe Iboga up in Canada, she told
me, she said, you know, when youlive in your truth, you become
able to decide things from your soul, not from your brain and
when you're making. Yeah, your intuition, your
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senses come back. They're heightened when we feed
ourselves and we love ourselves and we have put ourselves in a
good environment, which is, you know, easier said than done.
I grew up in apartments, you know, me and my mom.
It was a lot of Salvation Army stuff happened and then and I
think that's part of why, you know, full circle that I really
feel it's necessary to give backbecause I wouldn't have made it
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this far if if things weren't, you know, those opportunities
weren't given to me. And did I have to work for him?
I had to be present. I had to put myself there.
I had to work my ass off, you know, but also things happened,
people I met people all of a sudden doors open, you know, and
and do we bat a hundred 100% allthe time?
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No, no, it's part of learning inthis life.
We lose our ass, we build it back.
It's part of having the recipe. If you're a chef, you know how
to cook for yourself, man, make something delicious.
Why do you want to make a ramen?You know, come on.
So if you have to, you make ramen.
Right. I mean, and not even real ramen.
You should make the good stuff, man.
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That's. Right, we don't then.
I say if they don't have, if it has more than five ingredients,
I'm not eating it. There's no way about it for
that. So you started out selling weed
at 16 and then. Oh yeah, maybe even before that
dude. And this?
Yeah, maybe even before that. And then what was next after
marijuana that you started to dabble with?
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2006 I started growing mushroomsat scale and I learned from a,
from an old timer and it was in containers.
And you know, here in Southern Oregon, there is just an amazing
breath of talented people from from growers to showers to just
highly spiritual and, and attached people to the land.
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And so I've gotten to learn a lot of different trades from
from mushrooms to doing cactus, obviously growing cannabis and
then early 1617 got into hemp. And because I believe in that
medicine as well. I saw people, you know,
relieving of seizures, you know,from from taking the high, high
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potency CBD that we were growing.
So it was just like, wow, you know, Ms. and, and all of these
different things. And so all of this has just been
more intriguing and, and stimulating to me to want to go,
dude, that's I'm all in. You know, it's just like the
Iboga dropping opioid addictionsin a matter of days,
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replenishing your dopamine receptors prior to your
dependency on whatever it may befrom opioids to heroin to, to,
you know, any, any of these things, you know, giving
yourself a wee wire. And I mean, even watching some
of you know, I think of Joe Rogan just the other day, Brian,
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I can't remember his last name, big advocate for Ibogaine and
Iboga in Texas and Kentucky was talking about a gentleman who
had Parkinson's and they caught it at an early stage.
He started doing Iboga or Iboga in one of them and and then
started getting his mobility back.
Went in first time in a in a wheelchair by the second time
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coming out walking function. And I'm not saying that this is
happens every day. You have to pick and you have to
also believe your mind is the most powerful medicine that you
have at your dispose. And most of the time we're
disposing it 'cause we're wasting it.
So, you know, being in tune and believing in what is going on,
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You know, as, as they've shown placebo effects are, it's crazy.
You can give somebody sugar and they're getting cured from
diabetes, you know, and I know that might be, you know, a
little extreme, but it's, it's happening.
You know, these things are, are real.
So I think it's really being in tune with with yourself and
surrounding yourself with amazing humans that have the
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same goals, you know, the same outlook on life and the same way
to want to give and receive the.Community, it's all about having
that network of people, man. And just like the last couple
days, as we all were chatting about coming up weeks and then
what was going on, it just was like, all right, these are my
people. This is what I'm supposed to be
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here for. These are the ones that I'm
supposed to be here with. And it's just, you know, that
overwhelming sense of peace because when you know you have a
community, you feel comfortable.And that's why the veterans.
Feels good. They don't have a community so
they got to create them. Veteran villages in every state.
Take an old closed down base andmake it into a veteran village.
It would be an awesome, awesome place where vets could go
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anytime, see other vets, get some counseling, therapy, learn
a new job, whatever it is they need, and then it's problem
solved from there. The rest is just the basically
just the rest of the steps in the process that have to be
taken. But yeah.
Man, I mean, I think it's it's having that network and being
able to share it back in the day, you know, is my whole, you
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know, hot Slinger, you know, raising up just trying to
survive. Now it's, it's, it's really
spreading that out and helping people because if you're, if
you're, if you're greedy with your tools and you can't share
that, I mean that, that just doesn't make sense of being the
mission while we're here. I think it's here to really
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spread that awareness and that, that knowledge that we learn.
You know, I don't, I only know what I know.
And I, I try to learn something every day, man.
And, and it's just, it's a blessing to be here.
It's a blessing to be sitting with you, You know, I, I, I hope
to, to get the message of what we're doing out there, you know,
soon enough. My, my goal is to not have
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veterans pay for any of the ceremonies that come to our
retreats. I know I'm, I'm trying to start
a nonprofit, you know, grow to give to where we're taking stuff
and we're just giving back. You know, I've, I've been
blessed to, to be where I'm at. I, I, man, it's way different
than how I grew up. So every day is just such an
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amazing day. I've got 3 kids, last one just
graduated high school going to college.
I mean, who would have thought? And so it's just blessings on
blessings. So even the worst day when I
break all my bones in my body, man still to be alive is just
there's something there to be learned and and I just feel
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blessed, feel super blessed gift.
Life is a gift. If you know.
If you know how to wrap it properly, it can be a great
gift, but you just got to learn from the best and always be
hanging around with people that are making the right call, not
the wrong call, you know? And that's kind of because
people aren't trying to be addicted to drugs, they're
addicted to escaping reality. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and, and some,
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there's a lot of pain going on, man.
And I think everybody in this world has experienced trauma at
a different level, you know, and, and, and.
Some level, right? Yeah, at some level, man, and,
and who are we to judge one or the other?
It's, it's, it's being there foreach other and having avenues
like this and, and like yourselfwhere you're like, hey, brother,
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anytime you need an ear to talk to, man, hit me up.
I try to be the same way, you know, and be there for anybody.
I can and, and I hope to be ableto create more time to do that
as well. You know, with, with Willow
Wind, we're creating a Senate setting.
It's 100 acre, you know, vineyard out in the Applegate
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Valley. It's it's the best parts of
nature. You know, we've got an airstrip
that we're redoing a certified airport.
So we hope to be able to be flying people in, you know, some
of our Air Force guys. We'll be loving that, you know,
and, and being able to like taketours around the valley with
some of our guests, you know, a little Cessna and series and,
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and, and be able to grow all of our own food there, you know,
eventually have horses on site because horse therapy with
people is amazing. You know, having all of this,
you know, just beauty around youfrom flowers, being able to go
and get in touch with your medicine.
If you're doing cactus, come outand like, wow, learn about the
cactus. Respect what you're taking.
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And I bet you're gonna have a different response.
So, you know, we're building this place.
It's, it's right at its infancy.We're looking for for warriors,
for people to get involved, starting, you know, a couple
nonprofits, like I said, starteda church or became a part of a
church with Chancy and his, his tribe, which are amazing people
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working with, you know, cactus with galactic cactus and
Hummingbird birth. Nathan and Shannon, they're just
incredible people. Definitely, you know, suggest
checking out them online. You know, you met Juan with the
Bufo. He's just incredible as well.
He's going to be up next week. You're going to be joining.
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It's going to be just oh, wow. And then we've got you know, I
built a rebirth church who Sarah, you know, learned with
Spencer. They're, they're currently in
sessions right now just changing, changing minds and the
ability to change those minds with tools and people that are
there to help kind of navigate this journey.
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You know, I have been through itand can give pointers.
Again, you are the only one thatcan do what you need to do.
But having having an army and a team around you to go as act as
bumpers and go, Oh no, you don'twant to go this way.
Look at this. It's definitely helpful.
You can help it, you know, really retrieve and receive the
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most from the journey. Yep, absolutely, ma'am.
You got what you pour into. It's what you're going to get
out of it, right? So it's all about what's it, the
effort you put in will be what you get out.
And so it doesn't matter which everything you do, if you do it
from a grateful heart, you're always going to be happy because
grateful people are happy people.
And that's the that the other way around.
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Yeah, man, Yeah, I totally agree.
You know, all the money in the world can't buy happiness.
It can definitely buy you thingsthat can make you momentarily
happy, but being happy with yourself and and what you're
doing and your, your mission here on this earth is, is, I
think really the true oneness oflike, all right, man, I could go
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at any time and and I'm good man, because I know that if I'm
needed back here, I'm going to be back around for another,
another journey. Yep, 100% dude.
That's what it's all about, man.We got a lot to learn.
We could talk for hours, you know that.
Let's jump, Let's jump into the plant medicine.
So what's been your favorite plant to grow?
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Which one do you think you're the best?
Because I've heard from other people, you know, that you got,
you know. I love, I've always loved
growing cannabis. I think it's one of my favorite
plants just because it's so beautiful and smells so nice.
I, I give you my, my things on everything, you know, hemp, hemp
enlightened me to be able to grow cannabis cousins at a scale
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that was acres. So it was just like, it was, it
was breakthrough, you know, because in 96 when I started,
people would go to prison for 5/10, 15 years for growing
weeds. And now you're like, you're
legal to grow 4 plants in your backyard just for recreational.
And it's like, man, you know, and people shunned us and it was
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such a taboo for so many years. And now you'd be sitting at my,
you know, back when my daughter played volleyball, the people
down the, down the bench were like, oh, we just bought a
dispensary And it was all like pause.
And it was like, what the fuck is happening?
I don't want to complain. It's amazing to watch.
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But it was it was it was one of those things that was crazy to
go through. And then learning to grow
mushrooms and really being able to get into all the different
varietals and strains, just likemarijuana.
It was like, wow, we had this enigma mushroom that looked like
a brain that literally was the trippiest high I've ever had,
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you know, and then you've got your Texas golden caps where
there were just like this amazing mushroom to grow at
scale. And then you've got all these,
you know, hybrids and mutants that come from these, these
different genetics and, and they're just beautiful works of
art, man. And, and then getting into
cactus with Nathan, he got me into it a couple years ago and
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we grew our first greenhouse of cactus.
And it's just like the flowers. I'll, I'll share some pictures
you, you'll see soon enough in acouple weeks.
But the flowers and like all of these different angles and, and
things that they have to offer. Besides, just like, oh, cactus
has prickly things. It's going to hurt.
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No, man, it is incredible, you know, and and and so opening to
the heart, you know, and then doing Bufo, I mean, actually it
was 5 MB OI did the synthetic the first time get to try the
real Bufo with Juan next week. You know, doing that was the
most profound 15 to 20 minutes that I've ever experienced in
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psychedelics. You know, leaving my body and
coming back and just really going to this place.
That was the most, there was nothing there, but it felt like
everything was there and it was the most comfortable stillness
I've ever been introduced to. And just knowing that I was
doing the right thing. It was, it wasn't like all this
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psychedelic. Oh my God, these entities are
pounding me like like I've heardwith ayahuasca, which I haven't
tried yet, but you know, I've, I've really been in tune with
the cactus, the mushrooms and, and those things.
Maybe I'll get to try to go downto Peru and go to Machu Picchu
and, and try some ayahuasca if we harvest it, you know, with a
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group of people that I really want to be with whatever
experience it, but I haven't gotthere.
So my favorite so far I would say is always cannabis because
it smells so delicious and, and,and then it's just so versatile
and it's so recreational on top of medicinal.
But medicinally, I'd have to saymushrooms have definitely helped
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me stabilize, stay grounded through all the traumatic and
craziness of my life. It's always brought it down to
like, yeah, remember where we come from, we come from where
we're going back to and, and none of this materialistic shit,
we will never be able to take itwith us, thank goodness.
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And so it's just here as tools, man.
So I think it's really evolving to that point where, you know,
more and more, Chris, I, I look at some of the people who have
just released everything and notjust monks, even some of these
people who have just released things that are, are aimlessly
wandering on the trail of life and just going, wow, man, Maybe
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they're not as crazy as we think.
And they've actually found foundthis thing to where it's like
nothing really matters, like TheBeatles said, you know?
And it's like, great song, brother.
Yeah. You know, So I just feel blessed
to be on this ride and to be sitting here with you today and
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and talking about what the possibilities and the set
setting that we're creating and all the amazing people that are
involved with that. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
We got to give a shout out to all those people because man,
it's amazing the group of peoplethat's brought us together and
the best product to more people in and I've got David book this
week for the show and you both. My.
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Brother Book Yeah, dude, everybody's good and everybody
just kind of has their own little specialty or Forte.
And so it's like such a beautiful conversation with each
person. I learned so much from everybody
and can't tell you how grateful I am because, man, I needed some
good people to talk to. You know, elevated that
frequency and lost a lot of people in the past.
And, you know, your frequency islike, all right, I'm burning a
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hole in my pocket. I need some people to hang out
with. Yeah.
Man, well, and then I know you and Spencer started texting, so
I think he'll be, he's a, he's awealth of knowledge and just an
amazing human. And then I just talked to Nathan
with the Galactic cactus yesterday and I said, hey, is it
OK if I talk about you? I don't want to put anybody in a
blast, but I want to promote people that I think are amazing
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and they're doing the right thing.
And him and his wife, Shannon, they're like blow us up.
So I can't wait to introduce youto him as well.
I'm going to do a a group text with you guys so you can have
him on the show. He is all over the United States
doing doing retreats in Mexico and and it's just a big ball of
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love. Yeah.
I mean, just radiates, radiates awesomeness.
And so I'm going to hook you guys up today as well.
I can't get to get out there, man, and get on the field and
just walk around and feel the energy out there and just be
present and still and just kind of just, I mean, it's going to
be so amazing. I can't wait.
I watched the video like 200 times.
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Wait. Till you're there, bro, it's,
it's going to, it's going to open another perception, a door
to another perception that is, and it's a great place to anchor
down and kind of ground out whenwe're going through that.
So I'm really excited to want tojust give you a big old hug and
then you get to chill and, and man, it's it's all like Donkey
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Kong, brother. It's coming up quick too, man.
So when I get out there, we'll do some photos.
I want to see some of the plantsand do some planting myself.
And then man, we got to do some more episodes because I think
I'm covering all the plant medicines now.
I mean, I'm pretty much committed to myself to talking
to somebody about everything. So and it's great.
Sarah and I talked about Iboga, but Sebastian does it.
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No, Spencer Spencer is talking about difference between Iboga
and Ibogaine, which I think is very important because people
should know more about that. You know it's a.
I never heard of it either before.
And then I learned about ibogaine first.
And I was like, wait, Ibogaine comes from iboga and Iboga is
coming from Africa. And OK, I want to go to the
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source. You know, I want to get to the
source. And so.
Yeah, Yeah. And I mean like the real deal.
I mean like dude like Spencer with Iboga rebirth they are
harvesting from an 80 year old tree.
I was talking to my friend Antonio.
Yeah, he's from Angoli, Africa. And he says, oh, yeah, it grows
on this part of the Congo as well, he says.
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But there's something about, youknow, those trees that have just
like really been babied and morepraise, you know, in whatever
tradition they do it. I mean, that's an 80 year old
bark that they're getting their medicine from that right now.
They're doing it at Willowinds with people from all over the
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United States, you know, and then we're getting
international. So it's like, it's like giving
people a place to where they don't have to go out of the
states to kind of reach these levels of of awareness and
acceptability to get what they need to do.
That's right, and now we know where to get it.
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Yeah, man, yeah, bro, I can't wait for you to come experience
and check it out. It's already on but I've already
got tickets booked so I'm headedout.
I'm looking forward to it so much man.
We can talk forever, but it's already been hour.
And 23. Now you got to go grocery shop
and I got to go take care of some business.
So we'll cut it off for now, butwe will be back.
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We will definitely be back and we're.
Going to look forward to it. Look forward to it, brother.
I appreciate you. Love you man and I love what
you're doing and and look forward to seeing you soon my
friend. 2 two weeks we'll be doing this live at your house.
Yes, that'll be amazing. Huh.
Yes, Sir. You're looking forward to it?
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Yeah. Have a great day.
Brother, have an amazing day. Keep creating Aussies.
Chris, hi. Brother, we'll see you, man.
All right. Late.
I am positively Chris Pace and you are actively listening to
conversations with Chris. Hey, what's up everyone?
It's Chris. And we are back again, this time
with a very special guest. As a matter of fact, so special
that I am flying across the country to go stay with him in a
couple weeks. That's how special he is.
Nick Jackson, What's up, my brother?
How are you? Oh man, blessed for another
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beautiful day. Chris, how about you, my friend?
Every time I hear your voice man, it makes me relax.
I just love the way you talk. You got this.
Like, Oh yeah, that's that radiovoice going down.
Yeah, brother, you could have a podcast no problem.
I'd be on your show all day. Bring it, bring it, let's have
some fun. Hey, tell me what's going on,
Nick. Tell me about your life.
Tell me how you got from zero tocoolest guy.
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I know. I'd like to know how that
happened. Oh, stupid man, I'm I'm humbled
by by your awesomeness, bro. I grew up in Walla Walla, WA, a
town so nice they named it twiceand getting back on like the
Looney Tunes stuff. Yeah, dude, back on, like when I
was a kid on Looney Tunes, they used to say that the Roadrunner
(01:16):
would get these packages or Wiley Coyote for the Roadrunner,
and it'd say Acme, Acme Corporation, Walla Walla WA
dude, Looney Tunes. So anyhow, remember that now.
Yeah, dude, super classic, superclassic.
Real place, man. It's home of the sweet onions,
(01:39):
lots of asparagus farming, and ahuge state prison.
Because, like, wow, wow. You know, thanks for sitting
looks, it sounds really appealing.
So anyhow, man, yeah, just been was raised by a single mom.
I lost her to a very traumatic experience when I was 16.
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Put me out on my own, very little family, you know, never
even got a chance to meet my Padre and all the time growing
up and just kind of got on this mission man.
Started really self medicating with cannabis and mushrooms at
an early age. Mushrooms, I think really
holding me off from from being too crazy out there.
(02:26):
And I grew up just very, very, you know, didn't have a lot of
resources, so to speak. And, and so it was a challenge
and I think that helped build the character and the Spartan
that I am today. Man, that's, that's exactly what
it is. You know, I always tell people,
I say you never see a superhero who came from an easy
background. They all have.
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Tragedy in their lives and they overcome it and they become
stronger because of it. And that's what makes them
super. And so the same thing with us,
man. I'm the same way, man.
Terrible upbringing, terrible life, terrible trauma, just, you
know, just on top of misery, on top of suffering.
But I keep waking up every day and keep moving forward.
And that's been my, my only saving grace is that I don't
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believe that anything can stop me because any object in motion
stays in motion until it's met by an object of equal or more
force. And I'm convinced there's not
anything out there that's stronger than me.
So I. Just that's right, brother.
That's right. That's the thought.
No, I agree with you, man. That's, it's the universe kind
of putting us through because we've got this higher, higher
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calling, I believe. And, you know, after all the
stuff that we've been through the, you know, being present in
this moment, what a blessing to be able to, you know, give back
and, and, and kind of be out there helping people and, and,
and giving them a tool. Not even really, you know, you
know, being there and and and being in the ears to listen and
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maybe, you know, use their mouthto conversate and give some
opinion. But a lot of people just need to
listen to that, be able to unload and get a little bit of
feedback. Not a lot.
And sometimes these tools work, you know, some different for
each person. Right down to breathing and
yoga, Chris, you know, I mean, look at meditation.
It is one of the most non psychotropic, but totally
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psychedelic experiences we couldget into just breathing.
And so I mean, having some of these tools and being surrounded
like by angels and Spartans likeyou and, and these other people
that have came into our lives. It's time to change the world
and, and give, give these avenues.
Not that we're doing it all. We're doing it as a collective
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and, and, and creating these spots and setting settings with
these. Just all I can say is that
angels, man, people that believein what's going on, that need it
as much as they want to give it and help with it, you know, it's
just full reciprocity. There's so much evil in the
world today. I think there's also was born a
generation of us that are pure good, pure truth, pure light.
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And those, they're the ones thatcome back the evil that's on
this earth. And I believe that this is the
team, you know, we're being built.
We've been tested, we've been tried.
We've been, you know, prepared our whole lives.
It wasn't easy, but we agreed tothis before we got here, you
know what I'm saying? Like this?
Was a. And there's no, you know, I tell
people all the time, look, thereis, I did not come this far just
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to come this far. There has to be a purpose for me
to still be here because I've done everything I can to get out
of here and I ain't here. I, I, my guardian Angel is
Raphael and he's an Archangel. And he's watching me right now
because my brother who just passed away and I lost my little
brother less than a month ago, you know, 44 years old, alcohol
got him. And now I got him up there too,
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watching my back. So I mean, you know, it's going
to take us staying steadfast to our truth.
And then yoga, we call it Satya,which is the ultimate truth.
So everybody has a truth, but there's one truth and that's
that ultimate truth. And that's where it comes from.
Anything you do from love, bam, you got your truth.
Anything you do from fear, you got some craziness so.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a it's a balance, as we
know, man, and, and even in our self being present and just
playing that balancing act. You know, I, I think to be
human, we do that every day and and surround ourselves with
people who are like minded, havethe same kind of goal.
In the end is really what's inspiring and and allows me to
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to want to keep going. And then to be totally honest,
once I've, you know, saw my first son, it was just like,
wow, now here's a reason to live, you know, you know,
creating little amazing human beings that, you know, my,
that's my number one job. And I never had that, you know,
as growing up, just me and my mom.
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So I got to lead by what I always wanted to have.
So I, I, I pride myself on, on having that be a really, really
one of my #1 jobs, man. Yeah, that's amazing, man.
And then, you know, not only areyou raising kids, but you're
also raising medicine and plants.
When did you fall in love with that life?
I mean, you just go to horticulture in high school and
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all of a sudden you were hooked or what?
Oh man, So you know. Like they.
Sounded like a farmer place. Total farmer.
Total farmer. And So what happened?
You know, when I was younger, mymom passed when I was 16.
One of her, I worked in a dairy with this gentleman and he, he
pulled me to the side and he says, I really loved your mom.
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She was a great gal. I want to I want to show you a
skill that that I think will help you.
You know, I think he said he noticed, you know, me working
for him probably noticed I was alittle hustler, you know, 16
years old, selling weed already,already mixed up in that game.
And he taught me how to grow weed.
And this is 1996. And that was when I really got
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into plant medicine and that could, it calmed me down and,
and maybe was a, you know, a little relief from my pain that
I was experiencing by losing my mom, obviously, 'cause I wasn't
a huge drinker. And my mom grown up, she, she
loved to drink and, or I can saylove to, but she, she drank and
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she was, you know, on opioids because I think everybody in the
70s and 80s was, if you had any issue, they were throwing you on
pills, unfortunately. And so.
We were giving out pills to everybody.
What, you got a headache? Here's some oxycodone.
You know, like, yeah, exactly. And you know, bro, I mean,
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coming from the military, they're, they're happy to give
prescriptions. And it's sad because they really
should be giving plant medicine and, and people supporting other
people, which is, which is huge,man.
And, and, and you just got to get into this whole mentality
of, of, of, you know, breast processing, You got to give to
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get, and sometimes you just giveand you know that something's
going to come back in the long haul and.
You're not expecting it, you're not doing it for that reason.
You just to keep giving. I mean, I tell all the time, I'm
like the best people I know are the ones that are always doing
for others. And that's me.
That's how I live my life. I feel better about myself by
helping other people, a little bit of talent OR a little bit of
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ability. And it's the only one person I
tell everybody if you need somebody to talk to you ever,
you call me, I'll answer my phone and I'll talk to you as
long as you want. Because I know what it's like to
be alone. I know what it's like to be on
my own. I know what it's like to be
scared. I know what it's like to feel
isolated. And that's not a good feeling.
And I don't want anybody to evergo through that.
And so I make myself available all the time just to sit and
(09:44):
chat. Because you're an Angel, bro.
You're, you're on the mission and you're, you're, you know
that that's truth right there. So I should.
I should have ended up the opposite.
I was violent, young as a kid, beat views, all that stuff, you
know. But honestly, I think you have
to understand one side of thingstogether saying the other side
of things, you know so. Totally concur, man.
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I mean, that that's part of being real is I don't think you
know the bads. I can't, I don't think you can
appreciate the goods until you know, the bads.
And, and sometimes it's extreme,but I believe that we're here
for a lesson, you know, and all these, all these bad things,
they're really just things that we need to learn from.
And, and how we perceive and look at it, if it's positive or
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negative is truly up to us. And so I mean, having that
control, having this freedom of choice, and how blessed are we
to be a part of this earth no matter what's going on and.
And absolutely, we're flying on a rock through space and we just
happened to catch a fireball right distance away.
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You know what I mean? Like, and it's like, wait, tell
me again what your problems were, 'cause yeah, the odds of
everything blinding up the way it is, it's just absolutely
ridiculous. I think the odds are like one in
700 trillion, you have a better chance of winning the lottery 10
times in a row. But yet still people find things
to complain about every day. And that's what we got to get
out of. We got to get out of that
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negative mentality. I say every day you have an
opportunity each day to be either a victim or a champion,
but you have to pick every time a situation arises.
Am I going to let this stop me or am I going to be just to pole
vault me forward? Learn from.
It and that's it. And that's all it is.
Victim champion, Victim champion, Victim champion, all
day, every day, and as long. As you keep.
Champion, you're going to continue to be on top, you're
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going to continue to meet the right people, you're going to be
in the right places and it's just going to keep moving well
and obviously the medicine that I mean the stuff that you're
doing out there, I'm not seeing the time period ever where
people are so focused on lookinginto plant medicine.
I mean, these states are investing money into ibogaine
and into, you know, all these different psilocybin's basically
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done deal. You know that's going to be
coming through soon because. Yeah, I mean, that's it's due
time, bro. I mean, these are all medicines
that are really, you know, the taboo of curing instead of just
treating, you know, Iboga, for instance, you know, as I've told
you and you know about it as well.
I mean that ibogaine and iboga, the difference being ibogaine is
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an isolate, more of a synthetic version that's isolated one
compound out of that plant wherethe iboga is the whole, all
these alkylates 30 plus, I don'tknow, something crazy.
So you have this whole full spectrum effect and, and I know
that, you know, our pharmaceutical Western medicine
is definitely easier to allow something that is synthesized
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and isolated. But man, I'm so thankful that,
you know, just like you said, mushrooms, psilocybin, they
haven't synthesized that yet. They're still throwing in these
mushrooms. And, and we're having extremely
amazing results that are just profound for a lot of these
people that were suffering for so many years and suffering with
the Western medicine, just popping them full of pills,
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trying to numb them down. And it's, it's just it, it's
terrible. It's a money making thing that
our government has been been, you know, putting forth and not
looking out for its people. And I'm, I'm thankful to to be a
part of this day and age where it's actually come in truth,
man, being able to come and, andI know they starting out in town
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and it's all this facilities, you know, that's where we kind
of broke the box and, you know, with our boy Chancy and, and,
you know, the House of us, we started a, you know, PMA and a
church and we're really focused with, you know, with Willowood
Wellness with really being able to get out to those first
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responders, those veterans, those people that are traveling
to Mexico, to Canada. And it's like, come on, guys,
let's we're doing the right thing.
So it, it, it comes to a point where it's like the, the, the
grizzly bear can't hide behind the tree.
He's got to come out and say, I'm a bear.
I'm trying to get the honey. You know, I'm doing a good
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thing. I'm making medicine, you know,
or whatever the case may be. But it's that time, man.
And so the upper, the upper governments and the people that
were in such a taboo to for so many years are finally seeing it
on 60 minutes, seeing Juan on CBS mornings, you know, doing
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doing 5 MEO Bufo with these, with these veterans who are at
their wit's end. Man, as you talked about how
many people a day are taking their own lives, who how many
people a day are self medicatingto die, you know when something
naturally is running around themand we can grab that and go, oh
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dude, brother, try this out man.I think this is going to change
your day. No, this is going to change your
life. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
And it's it's the truth, obviously.
I just had one on the show. Thanks to you, man, I learned so
much about Bufo. I was like, I had no idea that
Bufo was the real thing. If I were me, it was the
synthetic version. And then they were made totally
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different. And then he was telling me how
the frogs or toads that you haveto go get or actually have to
stay in their environment, you can't move away from their
environment or else. Yeah.
And I'm like, man, that's natureat its most beautiful living
Organism state, you know what I'm saying?
Like, everything has to be in balance in order for it to work,
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otherwise it just doesn't work. And I think us stopping
earthing, stepping in the grass,putting our hands in the soil,
touching the Earth, You know, there's a whole generation of
people over in China that will never step foot on planet Earth.
They're born in a hospital on concrete.
They go to school on concrete. They go to doctor on concrete.
They live on concrete. They never put their feet on the
grass. I sat with a multimeter and
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checked my frequency or my voltage and amperage.
And I mean my current changes asI touch the Earth the more.
Guaranteed man, I'm. Charging charge.
We're charging matters. Yeah, I mean, it goes back to
Nikolai Tesla. I mean, all these guys, there is
so much frequency and energy in the frequency that's all around
us from dark matter to matter that we see and, and and it's
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all here, man. So, you know, being able to give
these guys, you know, these amazing people like yourself who
have who have volunteered their life for our freedom, for our
well-being. You know, fortunately, you know,
thankfully most coming home a lot loosen and you know, from
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their families, from their friends.
We need this medicine. We need a way to ground back out
and connect with the earth. That's why we kind of, you know,
when we were starting Whirlwind,we're looking at these hotels in
town. I was like, there's no way that
you could do this shit in town. You can't do this.
You got to get out and touch your feet into that grass.
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You got to go out and put your feet in the Creek in the pond.
You know, here are the verbs. See these eagles flying over
these messages from Mother Nature?
Just telling you dude, you're here for a reason.
You're doing the right thing. So.
Take care of yourself. We can't take care of anything
around us. We don't feed ourselves and take
care of ourselves properly. So Speaking of plant medicine, I
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don't think I've ever seen more stuff in the news that I have
lately. I mean.
It's just my algorithm, but I mean, I get at least 10
psilocybin things a day on Instagram, LinkedIn, yeah.
So I mean, I think there's a movement happening and I think
people are hungry for a different solution finally.
And I think the government actually input that's in place
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is encouraging it. It sounds like they're going to
really push the psilocybin for the veterans like you said. 22
to 40. 4 vets a day commit suicide in America, which is an
astronomical number. Should not be the case.
I have the cure, I have the recipe for fixing it.
I just need all the people to beright at the place, and then I
need the government or somebody to give me the money to get it
started. But it's an easy solution.
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I've been through it. I know how to fix it.
You know, the medicine side of, as we were talking about
earlier, of yoga combined with plant medicine is exponentially
more powerful. Huge man.
It's all about building a healthy routine.
You know, I mean, at our place, we, we, we grow on site food.
You know, that's our goal. I raise my own chicken.
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So we've got our own eggs. We raise our own beef.
We've got our own, you know, hamburger steaks, all that
stuff. It's made with organic inputs.
It's made with appreciating whatwe're growing, even down to the
medicine, the catches, you know,we're growing on site.
Like you said about the toads, you can't bring the toads up
because once they're out of their element, they don't
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produce the same kind of medicine.
It's just like us, we have to bein our natural elements to
thrive, you know, and, and, and then once we're thriving, that
we can radiate that love and that appreciation out and really
start helping people. That's right.
That's right. And once you become a servant to
other people, man, that's when you really become successful
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because you realize that the success lies and the fact that
you have the opportunity to makea difference in someone else's
life, whether you choose to or not.
And that's where that free will comes into play is what
separates the good guys from thebad guys.
Because ultimately, and most people I know they're, you know
you, I was talking to someone earlier and I teach all the
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time. You're the collective, some of
the five closest people in your life.
So if you sat down and made a list of the five closest people
you have and wrote their qualities and they're, let's say
less than qualities just to keepit positive, that's who you are.
And if you see somebody in therewith a bunch of things that you
don't like, you've probably changed that person out for
somebody else. Doesn't mean they're not your
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friend. You just want your top five to
be the best people you can possibly.
Because if you hang out with five smokers, you're going to
become a smoker. If you hang out five
millionaires, you're going to become a millionaire.
So true, so true. Yeah.
I mean, we, we hope to inspire the ones we're around and, and
be inspired by them as well. And, and I think that's building
a positive team. You know, I really like to call
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it a family because, you know, coming from not a big or not a
family really at all. You know, we built our family
with friends and people who were, you know, in the same
mission and, and, and that loyalty to one another and, and,
and treating people, I think wanted to be treated man.
And none of us are perfect. So we're all trying to do this
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every day, but surrounding ourselves with people that that
again, inspire us and we can inspire them.
It's a give and take in this world.
And I, I believe that that reciprocity is just finding the
people that we need to be around.
The Mother Nature and the Law ofAttraction puts us.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
I think that's a a big time statement right there.
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I mean, it's all about the, the energy, the frequency that you
put out. And sometimes your frequency re
elevates and just because it does, not everybody's going to
come with you. There's going to be a whole
group of people on another frequency that are ready to hear
what you have to say, ready to be a part of your life.
So you can't, you can't ever stay stuck because if you do,
you're going to miss out on all the opportunities because we
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just don't even realize when we grow, when we actually hit our
truth. You start living in your truth
long enough, man, and everythingjust becomes very clear.
And I think Sarah Yardley, who'sthe Iboga up in Canada, she told
me, she said, you know, when youlive in your truth, you become
able to decide things from your soul, not from your brain and
when you're making. Yeah, your intuition, your
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senses come back. They're heightened when we feed
ourselves and we love ourselves and we have put ourselves in a
good environment, which is, you know, easier said than done.
I grew up in apartments, you know, me and my mom.
It was a lot of Salvation Army stuff happened and then and I
think that's part of why, you know, full circle that I really
feel it's necessary to give backbecause I wouldn't have made it
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this far if if things weren't, you know, those opportunities
weren't given to me. And did I have to work for him?
I had to be present. I had to put myself there.
I had to work my ass off, you know, but also things happened,
people I met people all of a sudden doors open, you know, and
and do we bat a hundred 100% allthe time?
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No, no, it's part of learning inthis life.
We lose our ass, we build it back.
It's part of having the recipe. If you're a chef, you know how
to cook for yourself, man, make something delicious.
Why do you want to make a ramen?You know, come on.
So if you have to, you make ramen.
Right. I mean, and not even real ramen.
You should make the good stuff, man.
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That's. Right, we don't then.
I say if they don't have, if it has more than five ingredients,
I'm not eating it. There's no way about it for
that. So you started out selling weed
at 16 and then. Oh yeah, maybe even before that
dude. And this?
Yeah, maybe even before that. And then what was next after
marijuana that you started to dabble with?
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2006 I started growing mushroomsat scale and I learned from a,
from an old timer and it was in containers.
And you know, here in Southern Oregon, there is just an amazing
breath of talented people from from growers to showers to just
highly spiritual and, and attached people to the land.
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And so I've gotten to learn a lot of different trades from
from mushrooms to doing cactus, obviously growing cannabis and
then early 1617 got into hemp. And because I believe in that
medicine as well. I saw people, you know,
relieving of seizures, you know,from from taking the high, high
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potency CBD that we were growing.
So it was just like, wow, you know, Ms. and, and all of these
different things. And so all of this has just been
more intriguing and, and stimulating to me to want to go,
dude, that's I'm all in. You know, it's just like the
Iboga dropping opioid addictionsin a matter of days,
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replenishing your dopamine receptors prior to your
dependency on whatever it may befrom opioids to heroin to, to,
you know, any, any of these things, you know, giving
yourself a wee wire. And I mean, even watching some
of you know, I think of Joe Rogan just the other day, Brian,
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I can't remember his last name, big advocate for Ibogaine and
Iboga in Texas and Kentucky was talking about a gentleman who
had Parkinson's and they caught it at an early stage.
He started doing Iboga or Iboga in one of them and and then
started getting his mobility back.
Went in first time in a in a wheelchair by the second time
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coming out walking function. And I'm not saying that this is
happens every day. You have to pick and you have to
also believe your mind is the most powerful medicine that you
have at your dispose. And most of the time we're
disposing it 'cause we're wasting it.
So, you know, being in tune and believing in what is going on,
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You know, as, as they've shown placebo effects are, it's crazy.
You can give somebody sugar and they're getting cured from
diabetes, you know, and I know that might be, you know, a
little extreme, but it's, it's happening.
You know, these things are, are real.
So I think it's really being in tune with with yourself and
surrounding yourself with amazing humans that have the
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same goals, you know, the same outlook on life and the same way
to want to give and receive the.Community, it's all about having
that network of people, man. And just like the last couple
days, as we all were chatting about coming up weeks and then
what was going on, it just was like, all right, these are my
people. This is what I'm supposed to be
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here for. These are the ones that I'm
supposed to be here with. And it's just, you know, that
overwhelming sense of peace because when you know you have a
community, you feel comfortable.And that's why the veterans.
Feels good. They don't have a community so
they got to create them. Veteran villages in every state.
Take an old closed down base andmake it into a veteran village.
It would be an awesome, awesome place where vets could go
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anytime, see other vets, get some counseling, therapy, learn
a new job, whatever it is they need, and then it's problem
solved from there. The rest is just the basically
just the rest of the steps in the process that have to be
taken. But yeah.
Man, I mean, I think it's it's having that network and being
able to share it back in the day, you know, is my whole, you
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know, hot Slinger, you know, raising up just trying to
survive. Now it's, it's, it's really
spreading that out and helping people because if you're, if
you're, if you're greedy with your tools and you can't share
that, I mean that, that just doesn't make sense of being the
mission while we're here. I think it's here to really
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spread that awareness and that, that knowledge that we learn.
You know, I don't, I only know what I know.
And I, I try to learn something every day, man.
And, and it's just, it's a blessing to be here.
It's a blessing to be sitting with you, You know, I, I, I hope
to, to get the message of what we're doing out there, you know,
soon enough. My, my goal is to not have
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veterans pay for any of the ceremonies that come to our
retreats. I know I'm, I'm trying to start
a nonprofit, you know, grow to give to where we're taking stuff
and we're just giving back. You know, I've, I've been
blessed to, to be where I'm at. I, I, man, it's way different
than how I grew up. So every day is just such an
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amazing day. I've got 3 kids, last one just
graduated high school going to college.
I mean, who would have thought? And so it's just blessings on
blessings. So even the worst day when I
break all my bones in my body, man still to be alive is just
there's something there to be learned and and I just feel
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blessed, feel super blessed gift.
Life is a gift. If you know.
If you know how to wrap it properly, it can be a great
gift, but you just got to learn from the best and always be
hanging around with people that are making the right call, not
the wrong call, you know? And that's kind of because
people aren't trying to be addicted to drugs, they're
addicted to escaping reality. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and, and some,
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there's a lot of pain going on, man.
And I think everybody in this world has experienced trauma at
a different level, you know, and, and, and.
Some level, right? Yeah, at some level, man, and,
and who are we to judge one or the other?
It's, it's, it's being there foreach other and having avenues
like this and, and like yourselfwhere you're like, hey, brother,
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anytime you need an ear to talk to, man, hit me up.
I try to be the same way, you know, and be there for anybody.
I can and, and I hope to be ableto create more time to do that
as well. You know, with, with Willow
Wind, we're creating a Senate setting.
It's 100 acre, you know, vineyard out in the Applegate
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Valley. It's it's the best parts of
nature. You know, we've got an airstrip
that we're redoing a certified airport.
So we hope to be able to be flying people in, you know, some
of our Air Force guys. We'll be loving that, you know,
and, and being able to like taketours around the valley with
some of our guests, you know, a little Cessna and series and,
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and, and be able to grow all of our own food there, you know,
eventually have horses on site because horse therapy with
people is amazing. You know, having all of this,
you know, just beauty around youfrom flowers, being able to go
and get in touch with your medicine.
If you're doing cactus, come outand like, wow, learn about the
cactus. Respect what you're taking.
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And I bet you're gonna have a different response.
So, you know, we're building this place.
It's, it's right at its infancy.We're looking for for warriors,
for people to get involved, starting, you know, a couple
nonprofits, like I said, starteda church or became a part of a
church with Chancy and his, his tribe, which are amazing people
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working with, you know, cactus with galactic cactus and
Hummingbird birth. Nathan and Shannon, they're just
incredible people. Definitely, you know, suggest
checking out them online. You know, you met Juan with the
Bufo. He's just incredible as well.
He's going to be up next week. You're going to be joining.
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It's going to be just oh, wow. And then we've got you know, I
built a rebirth church who Sarah, you know, learned with
Spencer. They're, they're currently in
sessions right now just changing, changing minds and the
ability to change those minds with tools and people that are
there to help kind of navigate this journey.
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You know, I have been through itand can give pointers.
Again, you are the only one thatcan do what you need to do.
But having having an army and a team around you to go as act as
bumpers and go, Oh no, you don'twant to go this way.
Look at this. It's definitely helpful.
You can help it, you know, really retrieve and receive the
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most from the journey. Yep, absolutely, ma'am.
You got what you pour into. It's what you're going to get
out of it, right? So it's all about what's it, the
effort you put in will be what you get out.
And so it doesn't matter which everything you do, if you do it
from a grateful heart, you're always going to be happy because
grateful people are happy people.
And that's the that the other way around.
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Yeah, man, Yeah, I totally agree.
You know, all the money in the world can't buy happiness.
It can definitely buy you thingsthat can make you momentarily
happy, but being happy with yourself and and what you're
doing and your, your mission here on this earth is, is, I
think really the true oneness oflike, all right, man, I could go
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at any time and and I'm good man, because I know that if I'm
needed back here, I'm going to be back around for another,
another journey. Yep, 100% dude.
That's what it's all about, man.We got a lot to learn.
We could talk for hours, you know that.
Let's jump, Let's jump into the plant medicine.
So what's been your favorite plant to grow?
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Which one do you think you're the best?
Because I've heard from other people, you know, that you got,
you know. I love, I've always loved
growing cannabis. I think it's one of my favorite
plants just because it's so beautiful and smells so nice.
I, I give you my, my things on everything, you know, hemp, hemp
enlightened me to be able to grow cannabis cousins at a scale
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that was acres. So it was just like, it was, it
was breakthrough, you know, because in 96 when I started,
people would go to prison for 5/10, 15 years for growing
weeds. And now you're like, you're
legal to grow 4 plants in your backyard just for recreational.
And it's like, man, you know, and people shunned us and it was
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such a taboo for so many years. And now you'd be sitting at my,
you know, back when my daughter played volleyball, the people
down the, down the bench were like, oh, we just bought a
dispensary And it was all like pause.
And it was like, what the fuck is happening?
I don't want to complain. It's amazing to watch.
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But it was it was it was one of those things that was crazy to
go through. And then learning to grow
mushrooms and really being able to get into all the different
varietals and strains, just likemarijuana.
It was like, wow, we had this enigma mushroom that looked like
a brain that literally was the trippiest high I've ever had,
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you know, and then you've got your Texas golden caps where
there were just like this amazing mushroom to grow at
scale. And then you've got all these,
you know, hybrids and mutants that come from these, these
different genetics and, and they're just beautiful works of
art, man. And, and then getting into
cactus with Nathan, he got me into it a couple years ago and
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we grew our first greenhouse of cactus.
And it's just like the flowers. I'll, I'll share some pictures
you, you'll see soon enough in acouple weeks.
But the flowers and like all of these different angles and, and
things that they have to offer. Besides, just like, oh, cactus
has prickly things. It's going to hurt.
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No, man, it is incredible, you know, and and and so opening to
the heart, you know, and then doing Bufo, I mean, actually it
was 5 MB OI did the synthetic the first time get to try the
real Bufo with Juan next week. You know, doing that was the
most profound 15 to 20 minutes that I've ever experienced in
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psychedelics. You know, leaving my body and
coming back and just really going to this place.
That was the most, there was nothing there, but it felt like
everything was there and it was the most comfortable stillness
I've ever been introduced to. And just knowing that I was
doing the right thing. It was, it wasn't like all this
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psychedelic. Oh my God, these entities are
pounding me like like I've heardwith ayahuasca, which I haven't
tried yet, but you know, I've, I've really been in tune with
the cactus, the mushrooms and, and those things.
Maybe I'll get to try to go downto Peru and go to Machu Picchu
and, and try some ayahuasca if we harvest it, you know, with a
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group of people that I really want to be with whatever
experience it, but I haven't gotthere.
So my favorite so far I would say is always cannabis because
it smells so delicious and, and,and then it's just so versatile
and it's so recreational on top of medicinal.
But medicinally, I'd have to saymushrooms have definitely helped
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me stabilize, stay grounded through all the traumatic and
craziness of my life. It's always brought it down to
like, yeah, remember where we come from, we come from where
we're going back to and, and none of this materialistic shit,
we will never be able to take itwith us, thank goodness.
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And so it's just here as tools, man.
So I think it's really evolving to that point where, you know,
more and more, Chris, I, I look at some of the people who have
just released everything and notjust monks, even some of these
people who have just released things that are, are aimlessly
wandering on the trail of life and just going, wow, man, Maybe
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they're not as crazy as we think.
And they've actually found foundthis thing to where it's like
nothing really matters, like TheBeatles said, you know?
And it's like, great song, brother.
Yeah. You know, So I just feel blessed
to be on this ride and to be sitting here with you today and
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and talking about what the possibilities and the set
setting that we're creating and all the amazing people that are
involved with that. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
We got to give a shout out to all those people because man,
it's amazing the group of peoplethat's brought us together and
the best product to more people in and I've got David book this
week for the show and you both. My.
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Brother Book Yeah, dude, everybody's good and everybody
just kind of has their own little specialty or Forte.
And so it's like such a beautiful conversation with each
person. I learned so much from everybody
and can't tell you how grateful I am because, man, I needed some
good people to talk to. You know, elevated that
frequency and lost a lot of people in the past.
And, you know, your frequency islike, all right, I'm burning a
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hole in my pocket. I need some people to hang out
with. Yeah.
Man, well, and then I know you and Spencer started texting, so
I think he'll be, he's a, he's awealth of knowledge and just an
amazing human. And then I just talked to Nathan
with the Galactic cactus yesterday and I said, hey, is it
OK if I talk about you? I don't want to put anybody in a
blast, but I want to promote people that I think are amazing
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and they're doing the right thing.
And him and his wife, Shannon, they're like blow us up.
So I can't wait to introduce youto him as well.
I'm going to do a a group text with you guys so you can have
him on the show. He is all over the United States
doing doing retreats in Mexico and and it's just a big ball of
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love. Yeah.
I mean, just radiates, radiates awesomeness.
And so I'm going to hook you guys up today as well.
I can't get to get out there, man, and get on the field and
just walk around and feel the energy out there and just be
present and still and just kind of just, I mean, it's going to
be so amazing. I can't wait.
I watched the video like 200 times.
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Wait. Till you're there, bro, it's,
it's going to, it's going to open another perception, a door
to another perception that is, and it's a great place to anchor
down and kind of ground out whenwe're going through that.
So I'm really excited to want tojust give you a big old hug and
then you get to chill and, and man, it's it's all like Donkey
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Kong, brother. It's coming up quick too, man.
So when I get out there, we'll do some photos.
I want to see some of the plantsand do some planting myself.
And then man, we got to do some more episodes because I think
I'm covering all the plant medicines now.
I mean, I'm pretty much committed to myself to talking
to somebody about everything. So and it's great.
Sarah and I talked about Iboga, but Sebastian does it.
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No, Spencer Spencer is talking about difference between Iboga
and Ibogaine, which I think is very important because people
should know more about that. You know it's a.
I never heard of it either before.
And then I learned about ibogaine first.
And I was like, wait, Ibogaine comes from iboga and Iboga is
coming from Africa. And OK, I want to go to the
(40:18):
source. You know, I want to get to the
source. And so.
Yeah, Yeah. And I mean like the real deal.
I mean like dude like Spencer with Iboga rebirth they are
harvesting from an 80 year old tree.
I was talking to my friend Antonio.
Yeah, he's from Angoli, Africa. And he says, oh, yeah, it grows
on this part of the Congo as well, he says.
(40:41):
But there's something about, youknow, those trees that have just
like really been babied and morepraise, you know, in whatever
tradition they do it. I mean, that's an 80 year old
bark that they're getting their medicine from that right now.
They're doing it at Willowinds with people from all over the
(41:02):
United States, you know, and then we're getting
international. So it's like, it's like giving
people a place to where they don't have to go out of the
states to kind of reach these levels of of awareness and
acceptability to get what they need to do.
That's right, and now we know where to get it.
(41:23):
Yeah, man, yeah, bro, I can't wait for you to come experience
and check it out. It's already on but I've already
got tickets booked so I'm headedout.
I'm looking forward to it so much man.
We can talk forever, but it's already been hour.
And 23. Now you got to go grocery shop
and I got to go take care of some business.
So we'll cut it off for now, butwe will be back.
(41:44):
We will definitely be back and we're.
Going to look forward to it. Look forward to it, brother.
I appreciate you. Love you man and I love what
you're doing and and look forward to seeing you soon my
friend. 2 two weeks we'll be doing this live at your house.
Yes, that'll be amazing. Huh.
Yes, Sir. You're looking forward to it?
(42:06):
Yeah. Have a great day.
Brother, have an amazing day. Keep creating Aussies.
Chris, hi. Brother, we'll see you, man.
All right. Late.
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