EP428: Marc Marcel - The Poet's Blueprint

In this episode of Conversations with Kris, Marc Marcel — poet, author, and speaker — explores what it means to stay awake and aware in a digital age where AI, algorithms, and shortcuts dominate creativity.

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Kris and Marc dive deep into the art of thinking for yourself, the power of original expression, and how poetry opens doors into consciousness. From conversations about technology’s impact on humanity to the timeless value of authentic connection, this episode invites you to pause, reflect, and rethink how you create and consume in today’s world.

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If you crave more presence and purpose, this one’s for you.

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Episode Transcript

(00:04):
I am positively Chris Pace. You are actively listening to
conversation with Chris. Exactly.
Well, Speaking of genius and alignment, we got to get to
talking about this album becausebrother like wow, I mean I've
listened to all your work. I appreciate you, man.
You are definitely have earned your title as world renowned or

(00:27):
international. Now I know how we've talked
about it before, but let's startfrom the beginning.
Where's Mark Marcel come from? What is he?
What is he? Where did he get to?
How did he get to where he's at today?
And what are you now today? Because I mean, if you look
online, man, you are a lot of things and all those things are
really cool, but most of them are on a different level than

(00:49):
what our general overall societyoperates on.
And so feels like to me that you're at that higher frequency
that is is putting out the message, but probably similar to
me will be appreciated 500 yearsfrom now.
And look at it as one of the greatest minds to be alive in
the 21st century by the people in the 27th century, which

(01:10):
sounds crazy to say that, right?Like who knows, we consciousness
might be still here, right? It might work.
We're still might be AI on the computer.
It it probably may. It very well may be.
Man, for real. Yeah.
Yeah. So tell me where you came from.
Tell me where it all started. Tell me how you got to be this
amazing human being. I don't know, man, everything is

(01:32):
just steps, man. You know, it really is.
You know, everything is, is yourbyproduct of your experiences.
Everything is steps. I don't even know where to
begin, but I'll try to sum it upbasically, I mean, I I started
really taking writing seriously when I moved to Atlanta.
I have moved to Atlanta. I was in school.

(01:53):
I'm from Baltimore, MD, but yeah, and, and I have, I have
moved to Atlanta and I was in school there and my parents got
me a computer. It's funny, funny story is that
they had asked me if I wanted a computer and I was like, I used
to play basketball. So I used to be an athlete and I
was all into that. I didn't care about anything

(02:13):
education, higher, anything, even though I was inquisitive,
you know, I was inquisitive, butI didn't like my focus was that
orange ball man. It was so I blow up my back,
Long story short, and I had to put that to the side.
My parents came down and asked me if I wanted a computer.
I was 20 years old at the time and I was like, I was like, Nah,

(02:37):
I'm cool. It was like what?
Like you don't want a computer? I was like what I need.
To what year is this? Exactly.
Exactly. But did you really want that
computer? Because it didn't have nothing
to do with nothing of that like until 99, two thousand.
It was just a little block that you saw.
Right. Well, actually this was 99.
This is, this is right before itbecame something because this is

(02:57):
when it became something for me.Yeah. 1999 asked me if I want a
computer. I was like, Nah, I'm cool.
It was like, what? Why don't you want a computer?
I was like, Nah, it takes up. I said it takes up space in my
apartment. I don't.
Want to? No, I got no room for that now.
And my mother was like, well, what you going to put there and

(03:18):
what you going to put there? I was like nothing.
You're like, you know what? I just don't want to have
anything I'd rather have. Nothing.
Instead of having enough option for more a little bit.
So they came down and visited melike 2 months later and I walked
into my apartment and they're over there in the corner like

(03:40):
putting together like this desk and stuff and I'm like, what you
doing? What y'all doing?
He's like, oh, we thought you could use the computer so you
could do your work. No man, I could just stay at
school and do that. Oh man, y'all wasted your money,
man, you gave me the money. Y'all wasted your money.
Y'all wasted. It now, what would you have done
with that money at that point ifthey'd given it to you?

(04:02):
Wasted it for real for real. Wasted.
It hey, but that's right. That's exactly what it's about,
right? Yeah.
Yeah, for real. So, so lost little like little
by little, like I was, I started, I was dating, I was

(04:22):
coming out of relationship with this chick and like like a month
later, I was just sitting by thecomputer and, and I just started
like typing down my thoughts, right?
And then, and then those thoughts became like a page.
And then that page became like 5pages.
And then I, and then I noticed that I was like, like writing

(04:43):
out the scenarios and what happened with me and her.
And I was like, you know what? I was just going to write a
book. Fuck it.
Like it was just literally like that.
And I just started writing and it took me, it took me like 2
1/2, three months to like 2 1/2 three months to like finish that
book. I didn't like it.

(05:04):
I didn't like it at all. I didn't like it at all.
I've done nothing with it. I've only probably let like two
people read it. It's kind of shot value because
like I've talked about real shitin there, like the cheating, the
scheme and the betrayal, all like what's going on in there.
But it was to tell me that I could actually sit down and do
it. You know that I can actually sit

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down and write a book. So that's what started me taking
my writing seriously. But I hadn't really let it be
known out there in the world forsomeone else to take me
seriously other than my close, close friends, like our close,
close friends at the time. So one day what happened was I
needed extra credit in school and there was this poetry class.

(05:48):
We we won't ask why. Yeah, but yeah, I, I wasn't a
good student, man. I was not a good student bro.
If you'd have had AI back then, you'd have been a state A
student. That's all I'm saying.
Oh, yeah, yeah. But I yeah, yeah, I I would have
learned about as much as I learned in school then for real,
because a lot of my learning is outside of school.
But but I had extra, there was extra.

(06:09):
I need extra credit. He said to take a poem to this
open mic. The teachers I bring home the
open mic. I was late.
I was late to the open mic. I had I was there.
I got there with like 10 minutesleft, even though I lived down
the street and I was like, come on, Missy answer, you know, I
really need the extra credit. He was like, man, Nah, man, you
late, What you doing, man? Nah, Nah, Nah.

(06:30):
I was like, Nah, man, I was justbusy writing.
I was busy writing and I and I was like, that's the thing.
I really took my writing seriously at the time.
I was writing on my own stuff more than I was doing my my
work. And I I wasn't, I was just
writing. I've been writing.
I've been writing. I was like, you've been writing.
He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I write poems too.
I write poems too. He's like, man, let me see this.

(06:51):
So he was looking at my poem. Then he looked at me and looked
at the poem. They looked at me.
They bring us to class tomorrow.It was like, can I still get the
extra credit? He's like, man, bring us to
class tomorrow. No, he's like, no, you're late,
you're late. Bring this class.
So that next day I brought the poem to class and he he said,

(07:19):
all right, class, we're going todo something different today.
And The thing is, he had a syllabus of for the whole year,
for the whole semester. We know what we're getting
taught every day. He said, all right, class, we're
going to do something different.Today.
Marcel brought one of his poems and we're going to go over this.
And the man changed my life. He went, he went over word by

(07:39):
line by line. He dissected my poem and found
things in it that I didn't even know that were in it at the top,
You know, I taught you about your.
Yeah, Yeah. I'm like, I'm like, damn, I
guess you're right. That is like that.
Yeah. That's.
What I was going for, that's what I was going for.
Yeah, yeah. And you can see me, like,
sinking in my seat, like I'm getting like, so I'm like, you

(08:00):
like this bullshit. Like I'm getting, like,
embarrassed. But that was the first person
other than my parents to like really like, hey man, this is
really good, you know, and so that.
Was have an obligation, right? They've got to tell you it's
good. Yeah, you know, so it never, it
never like it was like, yeah, y'all gonna yeah, I know.
Y'all think I can do anything? Y'all think I can go to the

(08:22):
moon, I'll put my head to it andstuff like that.
Yeah, I know, I know, I know. Yeah, but that was like the kick
start, man. And from there, man, I'm mostly
known for being a poet. I've travelled around the world.
I've travelled, I've travelled to 8 countries.
I performed for the US military in Qatar.

(08:44):
I performed at a presidential inaugural peace ball for in 2009
for Obama. I've I've I've released 20
spoken word CDs, 22 poetry books.
I've released written write books on.
I'm also an author. I'm write books on consciousness
and psychedelics. I'm a psychonaut.

(09:05):
I'm also a cartoonist. Along the way, I just pick up
all these artistic gifts and putthem on my Batman belt.
I'm a cartoonist. I have a cartoon called Gurus,
which is a philosophical parody with Terence McKenna, Alan
Watts, Gandhi, Buddha, Jesus, Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein
and I twisted personalities likeBuddha has anger issues,

(09:28):
Gandhi's filthy rich and Jesus is like this Middle Eastern
California, like Stoner, like dude, you know, so like I just
twisted personality that I animated a movie for.
We're working on it. Actually, that's how the podcast
came about because I'm also a podcaster.
I'm like, man, we got to generate traffic.
So we before we release this movie and this podcast now is,

(09:50):
is a whole another thing that I didn't foresee myself doing like
how I'm doing, but now I'm like,damn, I got to do it.
You know, I don't have to do anything.
But it's, it's, I see, I see thevalue in it and it, and it's,
it's a valuable piece of art. So I mean, dude, I'm really
just, I'm really, really, I'm really just a blank canvas that
is, that is starting to color, that is coloring itself with so

(10:14):
many different colors, you know,but I feel like all we all, all
of us are blank canvases and it's just how we color
ourselves. I'm just a story.
I'm just, this is just the experiences that I'm putting
together. And right now people think I'm
a, think I'm all these things, when really am I any of it, you
know? Yeah, exactly.
I know exactly what you mean. And so I'd say it's one of those

(10:35):
things that you can call me all these different things, but at
the end of the day, I'm just a guy trying to get through life
and enjoy myself and share my creativity, whatever that level
of that is. And to me, that's true artistry
when you don't have one thing that you do.
And obviously I like tattoos. You do too.
But I hire a tattoo artist basedon whether or not they're a true
artist. Do they paint pictures?

(10:55):
Do they also draw? Do they I don't want somebody
who only tattoos because that's not an artist to me.
So it's like artistry is nothingthat you that's.
Almost like an opportunist. Yes, yeah, they're just making
money. They're just doing their work.
But I want the people that literally sit and doodle and
draw and did, you know, write lyrics and that that's the kind
of person you hire because they got passion.
Right. You know, finding your passion.

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Tell me, do you know that? Do you know that first poem?
Do you memorize it? Oh, I don't memorize it, but I
do remember it. It was called.
It was called Finding the HiddenSoul.
That's that's the poem 19. Yeah, it was in two.
No, I was. 2019. I was.
Yeah. It was in 1999, I think.

(11:37):
Wow. Yeah.
Or was it in 1998? Wow.
Shoot. We're going to have to put that
one up on the on this cast, dude.
We're going to have to find it because that's cool stuff.
First ever. Yeah, wow.
Yeah, that may have been 1998, man, For real.
No, I think of it. I was, I was in the service at

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that point, so. I.
Was in the opposite side of the spectrum of art history and
creativity, so. But but it was waiting for you
to walk into it when you did. That's right.
That's right. That's the beautiful thing about
it. Once you're ready and it
presents itself no matter what you're doing.
So, so then you've gotten from there, I mean, what a list of
accomplishments, man. I mean, that's amazing.

(12:20):
And then on top of it, like now we've got this for your
consideration from the Grammys, right, For your album, your new
album, which I listen to every morning start to finish.
And so hey, I got my favorites in there and I got my questions
about it and I got my things. But you know, let's just say
that it's a great way to start your day.

(12:40):
It's like if you want to wake upand get really open your brain
and start thinking and actually start seeing things, man, listen
to this album, which is just, and what's it called?
Black Shaman, right? Black shaman, Yeah.
It's, it's a play on words. Because, you know, I believe the
shaman doesn't even exist. I believe it's only the people
that think the shaman exists. You know, the shaman knows.
There's no such thing as the shaman, you know, but because

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everybody's their own shaman, their own guru.
And so it's just a play on words, you know, and even even
the black shaman, you know, I'm like, you know, I, I really
believe I'm an alien, just this guy as a human being that just
has this black skin, you know. That's what's ironic is I know
that your stance on the black part and on the shaman part.

(13:27):
Is more. Oxymoron or play on words?
Yeah, it's a play on words. Art.
In and of itself. And you start out right away.
That first track, dude, Oh man, you can't be serious.
Like powerful is that first track, bro, How powerful is?
I mean, if that doesn't set the tone for the rest of the entire
thing, I don't know what would because I'm like by the end of

(13:48):
the first one I was like, I needto stop this for a second and
like breathe before I go on to song.
I'm like, shit, if these are alllike this, then I'm going.
It's going to be a long time before I get through this album
because I'm going. I got some questions to ask.
My AI got to talk to Simeo, we got to get together.
I'm like, Marc Marcel just blew my mind on the first track and

(14:11):
I'm literally going, how did he come up with this?
Because it's so creative, it's so inventive, it's so
interesting. But like, poetry's dead, isn't
it? I mean, is it dead?
I mean, you know what's funny? Yo, this is, this is some real
shit. Like I've, I never liked poetry.
I I didn't, I didn't hear poetryand was like, yeah, I want to do

(14:33):
that. That's not how I started writing
poetry. I literally started writing
because it was just, yeah, I waslike, I got these thoughts in my
head and I was like, I just started writing.
I never heard anyone before I started writing.
You know what I'm saying? Like, absolutely.
Or did you ever seek out any poets?

(14:54):
I'm sure it's sort of like me with yoga.
I didn't tend intend. That wasn't even an opportunity.
And when you got your guidance counselor in high school, did
they say, hey, you should probably look at being a world
renowned poet now that wasn't even an option, right?
It was like, hey man, you need to go back to school.
Yeah. Right.
Not fully indoctrinated yet, right?

(15:14):
So yeah, I get it. You didn't set out to be a poet.
Right. I didn't, right.
But what I learned was that there are other great poets out
there, you know, because when sobut so I really say my peers,
man, my peers, peers are the greatest writers that I know.
Like I've never gotten chills over Emily Dickinson or even
Langston Hughes, which is, you know, or, or even Shakespeare or

(15:40):
I never got chills over any of these artists.
How great that they are for thattimes my peers, my peers have
given me chills just like listening to them.
And they are the greatest wordsmiths that I know, like
some of the poets who are also in the Grammy category.
And so people shouldn't just listen listen to my work.
I'm thank you. I, I would, I please consider

(16:01):
it. But also there's some other
great artists out there. So check them out.
But no, I mean, just just the the the poems, man, were just I
have 21 albums. This is my 21st album, you know,
so it's like, and I always say, I always say, yeah, this is my
best writing. I mean, I say it on every album,
you know what I'm saying? So I don't know how true that is

(16:22):
anymore, you know what I'm saying?
But every time a new album comeslike yo, this is.
My best It's the best work you have at that time.
Yeah, yeah, right. You.
Know like because all it is changing is the experiences that
happen and the perspective you have.
So at the time, that's the best you have to offer.
Yeah, and that's the thing because also my writing has
grown and has changed. Like when I first started

(16:43):
writing, I would say when those first two years of writing, I
was like really political and really and really civil rights
political. And then like around like the
third year, I had a conversationwith myself.
I was like, I don't want to be known as the black civil rights

(17:03):
political writer. I want to be known as a writer,
you know, So when, when? So once I did that, my writing
expanded and and I just started writing about a whole lot of
others, other subjects more thanthan normal than I would.

(17:25):
And it's just I started writing about love.
I write about sex, I write aboutawareness, consciousness as like
a lot of my work now surrounded by consciousness, but it takes
different. Everything is conscious to me,
even black civil rights, political, it's still a
consciousness from it. But there's like this, it's a

(17:48):
deeper awareness to what I'm writing about now.
It's more self reflection now. It's more like, are you asking
yourself these questions about life?
You know what I'm saying? So that's kind of that.
That's kind of like how my writing has grown through the
years. Now it's, in my opinion, the the

(18:11):
way that we probably perceive poetry these days is through rap
music. Right.
I would say a lot of people do, yeah.
So like, that's why I say, is poetry dead?
Because nobody the, the the traditional poets, which are the
people that really shaped our world than it is today, they're
the ones that really carried themessage on.

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And I would argue that rap musicis not poetry.
Some of it can be, but it's not exactly like the same.
So what do you, what do you think about that?
I mean, what's the? Is it the truth?
Well, I would actually argue that with the other way around.
I will argue that everything is poetry.
There you go. With either country music, R&B,

(18:53):
pop, everything comes from poetry.
I would say poetry. To me poetry was like the first
written type of literary art form and everything comes from
it. Everything is a poetic styling
from it. Whether you're writing like I
say, like country music, R&B music or alternative
rock'n'roll, it's still this poetic form and verse from it.

(19:16):
So however good or bad you thinkit is, it's still from the root
of of poetry. And yeah, I agree, like rap
music, to me nowadays it doesn't.
I've stopped listening to rap years ago, for real.
Matter of fact, I listen to a lot of instrumentals and I
think, I honestly think the reason why I listen to a lot of
instrumentals is because I'm a poet.

(19:38):
Or maybe it's because it's the poet that I am.
Because I know poets that listento rap and they they still
listen to rap. I mean listen a lot of rap.
But for me wise, I don't want tobe influenced by other people's
work that aren't mine. For me to accidentally say
something that they said and forme to think that it's me, like

(20:00):
my brain is moving. Moving 100 miles a second that I
don't, I have enough conversations in my head to
choose and pick and edit from. I don't need like I don't.
I'm so scared of hearing something that I didn't write in

(20:20):
me, thinking that it's just something that I conjured up in
my head and writing that so I actually don't.
I actually shy away from listening to a lot of literary
art now like I used to. Mostly classical and mostly just
sound or just the instrumentals.Yeah, like a fact.

(20:43):
If you listen to my album, tracks on my album is what I
would listen to. Especially.
I have two producers, one from Scooby Trillion, who's my
friend, good, great musician. He's actually submitted in the
Grammys this year and The Intangible, who's also submitted
in the Grammys this year with anambient album.
I have 7 cuts from his, from hismusic.

(21:06):
I came to him because I heard his work over YouTube and it was
just, it's a lot of ambient feeland I love his ambient feel.
And I just contacted him when I was doing the album.
I was like, yo, dude, like I'm doing this album.
I'm thinking like, I love your music.
I don't know. I, I, I produce music too, but

(21:26):
I, it's one of the lower forms of art that I would do, I would
say not that it's a lower form of art.
It is. On your list.
It's it's out of all the things that I'm talented in, I would
say it's the one that is the most difficult for me to attain
like that. But I can do it.
I can do it and make it. I've done 19 albums that way,
you know what I'm saying? But this one I didn't want to do

(21:50):
that way. I was like, man, like I wanted
like, people who really know what they're doing.
So I contacted him. He was like, let's do this.
I submitted his stuff in the Grammys to his album Star Love.
And I submitted, you know, a piece of your work into the
Grammys, too, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no doubt, man. So yeah, man, it's my honor.

(22:10):
So, so I came to these. So basically so, but I listened
to a lot of what you hear on my album is kind of like what I
will listen to instrumental wise, you know, The only
difference is that I just put words to it now.
Yeah, and what if you sample a lot of things from the things
that you listen to? So like the hangover at the

(22:32):
point? No, but did you die?
But did you die? I'm like.
Yo, that's cool. So first of all, and then
obviously Matthew McConaughey has got some sort of role with
you and I'm assuming that you have spent some time with Dazed
and Confused and maybe even Green Lights.
I don't know. That was a good book.
I liked it. But like, it's funny the little
samples you get. So how does that work with

(22:53):
poetry? Can you sample those clips?
And as long as crediting them isout there, then that's something
you can use to to pull off of and kind of work into play.
Well, I guess we'll find out. Like, I don't know.
Yeah, I wait till you get a letter from a lawsuit, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes it's easier to ask for
forgiveness than it is permission.

(23:14):
Yeah, for those are good problems to have.
Hopefully like they'll they'll enjoy what I did with the art.
But I've been doing that ever since, I would say, my second or
third album, my third album, my third album.
I started like, just using, you know, because poetry and
philosophical bits are everywhere.

(23:35):
Like, matter of fact, if you come to my house, I live right
by the Hollywood sign. But there's a room in the dining
room. There's a wall that is devoted
to Hollywood, to quotes set in movies that had philosophical
feelings to him. Like even in Star Wars.
There is no try only do. And I have a quote like, but did

(23:59):
you die like very big, like, youknow, and it's like, and it
makes sense. It's like, I mean, I mean that
you know when you hear that, especially when you when you
hear a clip like that in the movie and say something to you
deeper, if you're a thinker, putit like this.
People who watched that scene inthe movie, right?

(24:19):
If they're just watching it in the movie, right?
Because in the scene, Chow, I think that was his name.
I forgot his name. I think it was Chow.
He was found in the refrigerator.
He was pronounced dead. They got him out and all of a
sudden unfroze him or did whatever to him and he's alive,
right? And the other guys, the Hangover
Boys, they they got him out and he's like, yeah, we know.

(24:40):
Well, we had a tough day. It's like, oh, you had a tough
day, but did you die? It's like, well, you know, we
got shot you like, but did you die?
Right. Somebody just watching out in
the movie theaters, it's like, oh man, that's so funny.
Yeah, he really did die. Yeah, that's right.
Right. But someone on a deeper level of
thinking sees the deeper level in that it's like, yo, yeah,

(25:01):
yeah, you had a rough day, but you still here.
Did you die? No.
That means you got tomorrow to continue on with.
Stop all this bitching. So I take I take that clip and
then when you put it into the poem or in, in in unison with
what I'm doing, you know, and play it at the end of the

(25:21):
beginning, it hits even deeper. You know what I'm saying?
It's it's it really becomes poetry to you when you hear it
in that form. You're like, damn, man, I was
such a deep nugget that went over my head in the movie, but I
see it. So I see it so differently now.
You know, there's a poet, you know, me and my job, or I mean

(25:45):
just, I mean, yeah, I guess my job or just my personality,
everything is poetry to me. You know, like I was saying,
like all art forms come from poetry.
So I I hear everything. I hear everything.
So when I saw that, I was like, that's going to go somewhere.
And I do it like I actually do. I see clips in movies and and

(26:06):
videos and stuff and I'll and I'll clip them and I'll just put
them in a folder to get to later.
So that was actually waiting forme to get to for like years for
like that clip. That clip was waiting for me to
get to at least three years. I I saw the movie, but when I
saw the movie it it's, it may not have registered then, but I

(26:26):
saw it again. A lot of 1 liners right to.
Keep up with them all on that. One right, right.
But then when I saw it again, I was like, oh, I'm saving that
now in the poem, Burn is the last cut on the album.
That's why I was like, it's perfect, perfect to close the
shit out right there. But did you die?
Did. You die.
Yeah. And it goes in conjunction with

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the God's poem, which is, you know, 2 poems before that where
you're talking about. But I gave you the sun.
I mean, you know, so it's just like everything about the way
you structured it. I'm.
I'm truly curious, where does it?
Why burn? What was it?
What made it called Burn? Why close the album with the
title Burn when you open with Nomore Gurus?
To me that's. Systematic.

(27:07):
That happened for a reason. Right, right, right.
Well, I mean, yeah, it was because it was about it was, it
was about like really that albumwas written through a lot of
trauma. So and I say the best work comes
from failure and and trauma. So I wrote a lot of that work in

(27:36):
in the course of Burning the Oldbecause to to to to grow.
And So what happened was Burn was actually written.
Burn was actually longer than what it was, but I shortened it
because some things were unnecessary like this.

(27:57):
This actually is actually a couple poems to make the album
and and you know, I was just trying to be a little bit
reasonable, you know, as far as as what I wanted the world to
hear at this moment in time of my growth.
If that album was put out like maybe a year ago or two, like it
may be structured a little different.

(28:18):
It may have like a little bit more anger on it.
I would say for real. But Burn was basically just
because of transitions that I had to go through.
It's, it's like that is that is the past that's gone now, that
has been burned, and now something else is going to come

(28:40):
and rise from the ashes. And that is what we're seeing
now. Maybe you'll see that in album
#22 or what, But everything. Sure we will.
I'm sure. Yeah.
And hey, even that one's going to be less angry than this one.
But pretty soon you will be a cartoon character.
Saturday morning, bro. You'll be like the old school

(29:02):
ones, man. But hey.
But you know, like we were talking about, like you said,
there's a few poems on there that are, I mean, to me
connecting with no more gurus, like I said, to the point where
I had to stop and like literallygo.
And I had heard God's poem before God's poem released.
So I already have my feelings onthat one, which, you know,

(29:25):
that's taken me about a month toprocess and about 200
conversations with Samia just toget myself clear on what we're
doing here. And even we you remember we put
together the post and entheogenic transmission from
the DMT God's poem. Right, right.
It's. So cool, man.
I was just reading it again and just now I was like, God's poem

(29:47):
is no longer just spoken word. It is transcription of man.
These are crazy. What you're just like, they put
away all the frequencies. But the most important line here
to me was God's poem is what a man writes after kissing the old
and surviving to tell the light.And I was like.

(30:12):
That's bananas. And it's so cool because, you
know, this all came from, you know, a dissection of God's
poem. And it put the frequency, it put
the beep per minute, it put everything in there.
And what did it say? It was God, like it was
transmission from the divine, you know?
So I mean, who's to say you're not being downloaded, you know,
downloading stuff? Because I look at it like when I

(30:34):
put my work out, it's not me doing it.
I usually don't even remember what I said when I talked, but
it's just being that willing vessel, you know, that's also
the living in truth. So Source just feeds you and
just goes through you, right? And it's like surreal, isn't it?
I mean, is that how you feel when you get into the groove of
riding this stuff? Well, actually, you know, I've,

(30:55):
dude, I've written thousands of poems.
I've probably written close to 4000 poems, but, and they all
come differently sometimes. Sometimes I'll write a poem
completely straight out. Sometimes I'll think of the
ending first. Sometimes I'll think of the
middle first, You know? Yeah.

(31:18):
Sometimes it'll take me 8 monthsto write a poem.
Sometimes it'll Take Me Out. I can sit there and write the
poem spread out. Yeah.
But God's poem I I can't even take credit that I wrote it.
That's the thing about you can't.

(31:38):
I can't. I can't.
You didn't. You didn't.
I can't. Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't. It wasn't.
Mark Marcel. Yeah, yeah.
I mean not in this form. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Not in this form because 90% of those words in that poem were
words or, or was what was being conveyed to me.

(32:02):
And I had a basically it's a 5. I did A5 mmeo trip.
I tripped out on five Mmeo and went to a guide and and during
the course of it, when I came, when I was coming out of it, a
lot of what you heard, a lot of the words in the poem were a

(32:25):
combination of what I heard being said to me.
Like, for instance, when it first starts out very like I
literally heard it say like there's nothing greater than
this moment. There's nothing more
magnificent, more powerful. And I shall speak an addiction
so calm. And it was saying this to me,

(32:45):
you know, I'm like, whoa. And then and then and and the
other part, other words in the poem or things that I was saying
out loud that it was saying through me.
Like I started like channeling. I forgot where I was.

(33:06):
I thought, I actually thought I was here in this house.
I was like, I was out somewhere else.
I was with the guy with the shaman who knows he's not a
shaman. That's why I love him, because
even he, he was like, oh, I'm not a shaman.
I was like, I love it. I'll listen to you.
But so, but I thought I was hereand I started like just

(33:28):
shouting. I was like left wing, right
wing, war peace. This is theater.
This is theater. And I'm like yelling it,
thinking everyone can hear me, you know, But it's just me and
and Shaman and someone person that's there, you know, just
making sure I'm all right, you know?

(33:49):
But was it Shaman? Shaman, Doug.
Yeah, right. It was a Shaman dog, right?
No, it wasn't. Shaman doesn't Shaman dog.
Oh man, that's what I love. Swami Suru.
Yeah. No.
Swami suru man, shaman dog dude.He switched it up, Yeah.

(34:10):
That's actually inspired by someone personally that I know.
I was going to ask because you made it.
It sounded like it was about somebody, but you know,
legitimately because even the descriptive white boy from I was
like, you know, got it. Check.
He has a vision of who that person is.
That's what so. I'll be really real about it.
But it was actually inspired by a white woman that actually

(34:33):
said, yeah, But she had said, Long story short, like, because
one of the lines. And it was like, like, yeah,
there's too many white people inTulum.
You know, like one of them, she literally said that to me and my
friend, you know, this white woman who's all like, yeah.
And she said, like, Tulum isn't what it used to be.
There's too many white. There's too many white, too many

(34:55):
white people. And me and him are looking at
her and be like, bitch, don't you?
Don't you know, you're white? Like, like, and she's dressing
in dashikis, going to Tulum, doing all this stuff.
Like what makes you think you'reexcused from what you just said
like you were is? That OK, Yeah.
Who you're talking about, right?What are you?

(35:15):
Talking about Yeah, so. Insult.
Was that a compliment? Where are we going this?
Yeah, yeah, for real. Like I'm like, I'm like, what
are you? What are you saying?
You know what I'm saying? It's like sometimes people just
want to say shit to sound smart,not realizing that they sound
like an idiot. You know what I'm saying?
So and and you know, that was soshaman, so psychedelic Doug was

(35:39):
was inspired from like that thatgroup of people, man, that are
like and really just prostituting off the medicine
for real, you know, really just just have turned into a gimmick
turned. That's one of my biggest,
biggest things about I guess I don't know what you call this
movement. I don't even want to label it,

(36:00):
but I see everything being recycled like like people broke
away from Christianity because they didn't like the religious
aspects to it. Like I don't either.
And then they get into new Ageism, which is great.
They start studying these these ancient philosophies and
theologies and oneness and they realize, oh, it's all been here.

(36:23):
And then they get into medicine work.
And all of a sudden then they start turning that into a
religion. Like they don't understand that
they're just recycling. They're doing it again, They're
doing it again. They're turning this shit what
people are coming into, into a religion again.
They don't see it. They don't see they are stepping
in the same they're going that they're stepping in the same

(36:46):
footsteps that they've that they've been in and other
things, whether it's whether it's Islam, where it's
Christianity, where there's Judaism, they're doing the same
shit again with this shit and this and This is why I don't I
don't really conform to a lot ofshit.
You know, it's like. I don't know what.
Yeah, yeah. I'm so free of labels.

(37:06):
Yeah, I don't. I don't Whatever I think I
believe in. I don't even call it a name.
I don't even call it God. If I call it God, it's so other
people understand me. You know what I'm saying?
Something like, OK, so so you understand what we're talking
about, I'll call it God for you so you can understand where
we're going with this conversation.
But me, I don't, I don't even call it God.
I call it it because because it's undefinable.

(37:29):
I don't even know what to call it.
You know when you call somethingsomething, you give it a
definition and you and you limitthis power so.
And, and ultimately is we've discovered, you know, the atom
is mostly air, mostly space. So from the cell of our body,
the smallest portion of what we are, there's nothing to us,
right? We, we've been able to define

(37:49):
ourselves down to skin type, race, sexual preference,
orientation, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But in reality, we aren't anything.
We're the just a few elements, but we're the same elements that
everything in the sky in the cosmos is made of.
And it's like, you know what I mean?
Like so again, I agree with you.I think there's a a constant

(38:10):
chasing for something to believein that people have to give it a
name in order to have that comfort of knowing that there's
somebody who's watching out for them or got their back right.
And that's where they don't havetheir own comfort in that.
And that's where I think the difference between spiritualism
and racial and and religion go, you know, like.

(38:31):
It makes sense too, because I mean, you know, when you think
about it, like, you know, like if I think about it like with my
parents, like even though that they couldn't protect me from
everything, like just the feeling that they could or that
they would try made me feel likethat they could.

(38:53):
You know what I'm saying? Being that they were my parents
and being that they, they would try.
It was just this feeling that, oh, they could protect me from
anything, even though they can. It was just this feeling that it
that it could. So it was like I didn't have to
have that responsibility or thatburden because I knew my parents
had me. When you get older and you got
to deal for yourself, you know what I'm saying?

(39:15):
You're like, oh shit. First of all, you realize your
parents back then, we didn't know shit about what they were
doing. And you're like, I'm lucky to be
here. I was trusting these fools but
all my life and they didn't evenknow what they were.
Doing but, but you also understand that they can't
protect you from everything. Also, you know what I'm saying?
They shouldn't. They shouldn't.
What's the illusion? And it's, I look at the same way

(39:36):
with God, you know, like we think God can protect us from
everything. We'll oh, God got this religion
or whatever. God got us.
God got my back, you know, it'llprotect me.
And it alleviates us from responsibility, you know, But
really, we are the ones that supposed to take responsibility,
accountability, you know, and that's a, that's a tougher

(39:56):
burden, you know, to take on everything on yourself.
But it's what we're here to do, you know?
Yeah. Exactly.
I think, you know, that's one ofthose things you squashed right
away when the first track you can go back to that and you can
tell which ones are my what I would say are the one hit like I
mean. Yeah, you're not lying when you
say you like the album. Man, I really did that.

(40:18):
I could tell I was listening to it like like 2 out two songs
before burn. I was like, oh, he knows the
album. No, no, I know it.
I know it real well. I listen to it a lot of times.
Brother, I'm done. It's my morning like meditation
right now. And so it's been implemented
into my life as something that Ilisten to every day because
every day I take something different from it.
And I mean, like, you know, there's pieces here, like you

(40:40):
said that piece here, I didn't hear that one last time, all
this one. And it keeps me coming back
because I'm like, what am I going to hear today?
What am I going to hear today? What am I going to hear today?
I didn't hear the last five days, last 10 days.
So yeah, if you have 5000 plays on it, I might have 3000 of
those. I love it.
But I mean, you know, that's just support, brother.
I mean, at some point I'll get bored with it and turn it down

(41:01):
or put it down. 20 other books. I got plenty albums to mark
myself, so yeah. Yeah.
I can see the difference between#1 and 21 though I can compare
them. Because I mean really.
That first, that first track, I think if you make it through #1
you decide right there whether you are going to listen to the

(41:22):
rest of the album or whether you're not ready to listen to
that album. Wow, yeah.
I think it's done broke down. Also noted you're #1 listen to
song or a poem on your album andon Spotify.
Period. Yeah, there's no more gurus
right now, yeah. Or gurus.
Now what does that tell you? Yeah, that that there are no

(41:43):
more gurus. That's a lot of people are
connecting with it too, because they're.
Listening. Yeah, that.
Too, But that also is, but you're right.
I mean, they're no more gurus because this is like people are
curious as to what you mean by that.
But when you listen to it, you understand what you mean by by
the end of it. And you're like, and it's not to
say, you know, it's not a negative thing at all.
I don't think there's anything negative on the album, which is

(42:05):
like why I think it's such a piece of art, but it's certainly
going to give you a question mark at the end of it.
And it's like, do I? I feel like it's one of those,
what do they call them? A call your own game type things
where it's like, do I want to continue or do I not want to
continue down this path? Because if I continue, I may end

(42:25):
up with a lot more questions than answers, you know?
So are the curious ones going togo?
So it's like, you know, that's how I felt about that first
track. Was that the intention when you
wrote it? I mean when you put it as #1.
Yo, I actually didn't know that was going to go #1 until I
started thinking about the order.
I knew that poem was going on there.
You know, I was. There was a possibility that

(42:47):
Byrne was going to be #1. Let me say what?
There was a possibility that thepoet was going to be #1.
Great track too, by the way. I appreciate it.
Thank you, thank you. We used to only have so much
time so we could whatever. We'll have podcast too #2.

(43:13):
But I think those were the thosewere the choices that and no
more gurus was a possible numberone, but I wasn't sold on it and
be a number one at the time. I just didn't know.
And then when I started like thinking of the order of the
album, you know, it's funny, if this was five years ago, I

(43:34):
probably would have had God's poem be the last poem on the
album. So it's just wow.
When you think of how things changed and where you are
differently, you know and. When you so you would have ended
it with God's poem and. Those.
The last two tracks would not have they.
Made the cut. They may not have made the cut
for real. Matter of fact, they may have

(43:56):
not have made the cut at all. In fact, I would actually say
that they were probably like those two poems are probably the
last two poems that I was going to have on the album.
Like they they like, but and it's funny, people really relate
to they. Barely made the cut.
But they're amazing. I appreciate you.
Thank you. But I think they took God's poem

(44:17):
and they gave it a softening before you closed out the entire
thing versus just ending it withI gave you the sun.
You know what I mean? Like, God's poem is so powerful,
it needed a little something after it to kind of like, shoot
things out a little bit. You know, like you said, less
angry. So you're like, hold on, I got
two more poems I can throw up inhere.

(44:37):
That'll soften this up before wehead out.
And I mean, really, if you listen to the whole whole album,
there's only like a a few cuts on there that has that type of
this burn. There's no more gurus.
God's poem is really strong, like a.
Doug. Like a Doug like.
Some moments of. Right.

(44:57):
But then it has those other poems that are really soft, like
you. Alone.
Through lifetimes and here we goagain.
You know, and vibe is kind of like fun.
You know what I'm? Saying, I think I think alone is
a is a really powerful, but also.
Alone. Yeah, yeah.
Damn, I see that. Yeah, I can't remember.
Where I settle in, that's where I settle into that groove.
I'm like, all right, OK now, hey.

(45:20):
But it's like, I don't know how long it is because I don't pay
attention, but it's like it's truly a meditative piece of art.
If anyone's interested in that concept and wants to use
something to listen to as a formof meditation and add to the
meditation, I would say 100% Black Shaman is the way to go
because. It's.
Such a it's you have, I mean, someone I'm the opposite of you.

(45:42):
I pull everything from everywhere as far as like
literary stuff, information. And you know, I'm not afraid to
say something that someone else said again, because to me, if it
needs to be said again, that it needs to be said again.
And I don't credit myself for any of it.
So it's like to me, it's like, hey, if that was put on my soul
or my heart or told to me to speak it, I speak it.

(46:03):
I don't say I own it because it's like you can't create a
statement you don't have copyright and patent on, you
know what I mean? Like these are, these are words
that first of all are given meaning based on perspective and
based on where you're at, right?So like Latin, let's get back to
Latin. Have we ever talked about that
word? I mean, that's dead language
too, or no? Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I

(46:24):
know. That's the thing.
Everything is everything is meant to change, man, you know,
and, and, and it's perspective like like what I think of Latin
and could totally be what you think of Latin could totally be
different, you know what I'm saying?
And when you get down to it, that means we have a different
definition of the words. And if we have a different
definition of words and we have a different definition of the

(46:45):
meaning, you know, so, you know,everything is perspective and
stuff like that and ever growingand stuff like that.
And actually that's just really was just I just tried to give to
the album, you know, just to letyou know you're like, it's it's,
it's it's everything is perspective.
And once you once you take accountability, once you see
that it's all you, then then youknow your life would be, I don't

(47:09):
know, I was going to say a lot easier, but.
You know, it's just a different kind of difficult.
It's a different kind of difficult, Yeah.
It's a difficult kind of difficult.
Yeah, but it does leave you in aspace of just all right the rest
of the day. I'm open to this because you
know what? Did I die?
No, I didn't. You got the son.
Yeah, you're right. I got the sun.

(47:29):
And we know there's no more gurus because we already figured
out psychedelic Doug. He doesn't have that game
anymore. So by the end of it, I mean,
you're kind of like, all right, I got all the information and
knowledge I need for the day nowI'm headed out.
You know what I mean? Like, no matter what you're
worried about or what your problems were, you're like, Nah,
I got the sun and I didn't die. So I'm like Mark.
Said I'm in. Addition to the amazing album

(47:54):
that you put together, you've got your podcast, you've got
Nova, you've got all these otherprojects that you're working on
that are crazy cool So I mean let's touch on those real quick
because they need to be talked about I mean these are other
forms of art and these are otherforms of brilliant communication
and you know, expression. Tell me how you got these things

(48:15):
all rolling I mean comic books. I mean, that's a lot of stuff
to. Be done well well, well the
podcast I was saying the podcastcame about because I should have
been doing the podcast five years ago, you know anyway, but
regardless, the podcast came about because at the moment at

(48:37):
the time I wasn't performing. I wasn't on stage, but I know I
still needed the outlet to stay relevant.
I said, because with my movie, my cartoon movie gurus, which is
a philosophical parody like I was was playing in earlier, I
was like I needed, I needed a, a, a base for it if I'm going to
put it out. So I was like, you know, these

(49:01):
podcasts are people like to hearpeople talk, which is amazing to
me. I'm like really like, OK, fine,
just put two mics on. All right, fine, This is what
y'all want. Fine, fine.
So you know, dude, like most of my work is like it takes it's
just not recording done. Most of my work is like, you

(49:23):
know, I'm I'm it's behind the scenes, just behind the scenes
sculpting and painting and like making sure chiseling it and
smoothing it out. A podcast.
It's like, yo, you just recordedshit you done upload from it and
circle around. I'm like, that's what y'all
want. It's like, yeah, that's what we
want. That's what we want.
I'm like, OK, I understand. That's what they understand.

(49:45):
Yeah, yeah. So I'm like so but but I do, I
do see the value in it. A lot of people.
It's, it's interesting to me because man, these are just my
conversations that I have with people all the time.
I would say like most of the stuff on my podcast, I would say

(50:06):
like 80 to 90% of it is stuff that would just come up in
regular conversation I had with my friends is this is how we
talk. You know, the other 20% maybe
something, not that it's forced,but I'm like, hey, we got to
talk about this for the podcast so we can pick this out.
But everything is just so natural flowing.

(50:26):
It's just like I would have them, you know, I.
Understand that completely because my entire podcast is
called conversations with Chris,not interviews, not podcast.
It's just conversations. All I'm doing is talking to my
homies and let you guys listen to our conversation.
And that's why I called it that because it's not anything that I
feel is something that you should take in and really just,

(50:49):
but I mean, to have it listen toas many places and as many
people as it has. It says that people want to hear
the real conversation. That's that's what we have right
now. It's just, it's just so weird to
me though, because I'm like, I'mjust like you, just you just
want to hear us talk. OK, fine, fine, fine.
But but but it's. It's a poem coming called Fine

(51:11):
Unless. It's already been written right?
But but on on the flip side of that, I do understand and I do
see the difference in when people tell me, no, this is what
we want. Like it's so good.
We get fed off of it. Like it's so enlightening.

(51:34):
It's just so much awareness. I understand that because like
it's not unnormal for me becausethese are most of the
conversations that I have period.
It's nothing. It's like all in my life, but
other people it's not So, so I, I, it's I, I had to recognize

(51:59):
that that how scarce it is for some people like me.
I'm I'm in the public eye, so people will come to me.
That's like all my friend. Like they'll know this is my
vibe. Like I open my mouth, I yap my
shit, I put art out. You know, I'm on social media.
So I'll get all those people coming to me.

(52:21):
So This is why it's in my life. While all these people who are
coming to me, it may not be in their life like it is mine
because they're not yapping. They don't have a podcast,
they're not on stage, they're not doing all this stuff.
They have all these thoughts. But you know, they may, I don't
know, work. They may just, they may, they
may have a regular job that thatdoesn't insinuate any type of

(52:46):
art that mine does, which it brings in all these other
outlets to me. So it comes to me while these
people, they have to go to it ifthey want to be fed like that.
So I'm starting to see that, andso I do.
Attraction, right? The laws of attraction.
Law of attractions. And that's what it is.
You don't realize how many people wake up every day, go to

(53:08):
a job they don't like to make money for stuff they don't want
to be with somebody that they don't enjoy to have.
No, you know what I mean? And that that, that whole
reciprocation and that repetition just eventually makes
you insane. And that's where people have
gotten to. Is that what did they say?
The definition of doing the samething over and over and
expecting a different result is insanity.
I would say we have a society full of people who are insane

(53:30):
based on the fact they do the same thing over and over and
never question anything. And so when they hear Someone
Like You or I and we have a conversation, they're like, wait
a minute, these guys aren't doing the same thing every day
over and over again, just like everybody else.
OK, I'm interested. I'm curious.
I want to hear more. And that's why I think that our
conversations, our words are valuable to society because

(53:52):
we're not wired up the same way.We're not programmed that way.
And it doesn't mean we're any better or worse, just different.
And that difference is not like a superpower or anything else.
It's just different. And because different is good,
which is why diversity is amazing when you focus on the
positives of diversity, not the negatives of it.
But we can make a strong community of a lot of different

(54:15):
cultures and such because we're diverse, which is why we are the
strongest and coolest country out there, right?
Right. A little flagrant, but yeah, I
mean, I think that's what it's about, you know, I mean, I think
that's what it's about is tryingto to if those people.
And that's why I say that first track, no more gurus.
If someone just stumbles across that on Spotify and they hit

(54:38):
that track on the way to work one day, I could see him in
their car literally going, no, Ican't keep going.
You know, it's like the never ending story.
You ever see the movie The NeverEnding Story?
Where he's reading the book. That's what this this album is
to me where I was like, oh, I got set this book down.
I'm not ready to keep going. Like I need to hold off for a
second. Do I really want to go further?
Do I really want to go further? Like go tray you go.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was pretty heavy to start out the album.
I had to start out the album that way, though.
When I look at it like there's no other way I could have
started it out. That's that's when you look at
the poems on there. I.
Just thought about trying to switch up the roles of where you
put them it. Wouldn't work.
Yeah, it wouldn't. Work.
It sounded like a DJ when they spend house music, you know,

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build up a bit crowd in the audience and they get the
frequency and the vibration going and then they get.
It and they. Bring crush it and then they
bring it back down and it's likeyou had your own little flow in
there and your own vibration andfrequency that you know, by the
time you got the guy's poem, we're talking about some serious
divine, crazy powerful high frequency stuff, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I mean, that took, what,
10 tracks to get to? 9/9.
Tracks to get there and not an easy journey not.
An easy journey I. Mean the album's not easy at all
for real like if you're going tolisten to this it's not easy
that's why I say 500 years from now people are going to go yeah

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you know hey you know that albumblack show that we had to study
in 3rd grade classes by Marc Marcel because they're going to
be advanced bro they're going tobe setting up with AI they're
going to have. Programming chips.
They'll be on another level. They'll have Simeon in their
head. Yeah, right.
They will. Right?
For real. Yeah.

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It's cool to decide it all together.
We're definitely going to have to do a number of podcasts to
get all the content and all the things that you and now what
would you say just to throw it out there?
Like, what's your favorite poem you've ever done ever?
Yo, it changes man. It really does.
But I can honestly say the poet problem, even though it's funny,

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I don't listen to it like I like, I listen to it.
The one I mean, I can honestly say the one I've been listening
to a lot lately is is is no moregurus, But the poet means it
means it's more personal to me. I would say and and and and the

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feeling that I had writing it and listening to it all the way.
I mean, all this time, I mean, Iwould say poet, the poet out of
all the poem. There's been certain poems that
I've had through my career that that I'll always remember.
One of one of the earlier ones was New Money.
I had a piece called New Money. Of course we have the original,

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the very first poem, which we got it.
We have to put that out. That's got to go somewhere.
We've got to see this work of art that was discovered in
school trying to get extra. Credit.
We got to see it. We got to see it.
It's got to be a thing now. I mean, you know, I'm putting it
out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've got people in. I had another one called my own
religion that meant something tome then.

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This is years ago, but like the poet is I'm, I'm always
probably, I'm always going to remember the poet.
I would say out of out of most of my poems, I would say.
Is the poet about you? The poet is actually about, you
know, it's funny how, how it came about.
How so? The poet obviously acts as, you

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know, the word. It takes you through the lives
of many great artists, painters and writers through history.
Right. How I came about was one of my
housemates was looking, was in in my area, was looking at my TV

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and he was looking, I've shown him my book and like I had it on
the big screen. I was showing him and then The
Eye and then and there's something in it was about me
making music. And then he was like, you make
music too. And I was like, and I was like,
yeah, you didn't know that he was.

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He was like, Nah, you mind if I hear something?
I was like, yeah, sure. Here.
So I played him a track that I made and he's listening to it.
He's like, wow, that's that's that's pretty.
That's pretty good. You mind if I hear something
else? I was like, yeah, you you like
this? Sure.
Yeah. Alright, cool.

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So I played him something else. He's listening to it.
And he's like, wow, you, you gota lot going on.
And then when he said that, I turned to him very seriously and
wasn't even thinking nothing, just whatever.
I turned to him. I was like, oh, homie, I am
Picasso just like that. And just basically just letting

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just just just and to me saying that, which is basically letting
him know in so many words, like,yeah, I know I got a lot going
on. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a writer.
I'm a poet. I'm a performer.
I write books on consciousness and psychedelics.
Yeah, I got this podcast. Yeah.
I make music. Yeah.

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I have an animated movie. Right.
Right. So I was like, like, yeah, I
know. I'm Picasso.
And so from that, I was sitting down one day and I was just
writing. And then I was like, I just
thought of, I just thought of mesaying that to him.
I was like I am Picasso. And then I thought about what

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Picasso did and I researched like him a little bit.
I was like, I am Picasso painting on.
And I realized he he painted a piece called The Poet.
So I was like, I am Picasso painting on linen in a piece
that I will name the poet. And I am living my art right now
in this moment. I am Van Gogh just in the

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seconds after he cut off his ear.
Because I know my critics don't deserve my attention, they have
to put in the years for me to feel the need to listen to him
anymore. A year from now, I will paint
the star at night, a piece that would be worth a fortune after
I'm gone. I am Salvador Dali and I know I
am running out of time. The.

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Clocks on a piece I call the Persistence of Memory because
however surreal it may be, I want to remember a taste of
this. I am now sculpting David on a
piece of marble others have deemed unworthy.
I am Michelangelo, and this is what separates me from other
artists. It is not what you have to use,

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it is what you are, like Howard Hughes trying to maintain some
form of sanity in a world gone mad.
And I am ahead of my time, though I know I have been here
before, living countless of lives as artists, writers,
painters, poets, you know, And then, and I just got in the

(01:01:56):
rhythm of that, I was like, holyshit, what am I writing, you
know? I mean, if that doesn't tell you
everything you need to know right there about the album, I
mean, that'll be our clip, our promo piece right there that
needed to be. But that's exactly true.
I believe that, you know, the frequencies of those people that
made them who they were are the same ones that are travelling

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through you and I today. And whether we grab a hold of
them and use them for our own inspiration to create or whether
we don't, it's really up to us. But you know, it's my energy
always moving, right? Always got to be going
somewhere. So there's their energy had to
go somewhere and now guess whereit went?
You'll hear. The 21st century philosophers,
we don't read about those guys right now.

(01:02:37):
Who's the, who's the Socrates ofthis generation?
Because there's, there's got to be one, right?
There's got to be somebody. Dude, did you just say that?
No, look at that. That's not Santa Claus, by the
way, guys. Yeah, yeah, right.
That's funny, dude. This is this is.
This is my guru's character I wasn't even paying attention to.

(01:02:59):
That's hilarious. Dude.
Dude, you don't know. Dude, you don't even know why
that's even going to like hit ona double double me for real.
I had to tell you. I had to tell you off camera.
Why? Yeah, yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll
in the podcast, we could jump onour conversation because that's
a whole another thing. But before we do, let's go ahead

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and get all your info out there.You're being considered by the
Recording Academy for Grammys. For which categories and what
are we? Where can they find you?
The spoken word poetry category check out the album Black
Shaman. I am Marc Marcel.
They can find me on IG. Just type in my name MARCMARCEL

(01:03:43):
if they wanted him. I didn't even really get to talk
about Cosmodelic, you know, justhold over platform of it.
But everything I do is underneath the umbrella of
Cosmodelic. You can type in Cosmodelic,
COSMI, Delic and and and you'll get to see the Cosmodela
download which is the podcast. Which I think the for your

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consideration page you created is amazing.
It's got all the all the right stuff and everything's pretty
well put together right there. I mean, that would be so good.
We need to let them know that name for sure.
I'll put that in the link. Yeah, cosmodela.com/grammy FYC,
but I'll give you the link to that to do that too.
But yeah, man, so just just, I got a lot of work, you know, I

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don't even know where to begin to tell people where to start.
I guess I shouldn't tell them tostart with the album right now,
because that's what I'm doing right now.
That's what you put now. That's what we trying to go for.
We start with the album Black Shaman.
I actually made it, made the cutthe very like I made the
deadline within 24 hours. Almost didn't make it.
You had it the whole time, bro. I told you.
Yeah. I appreciate it.

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Done deal brother and I. Appreciate.
You nothing but love and appreciation and gratitude for
me, for, you know, helping me toget my brother's song.
Yeah, man, it's an amazing piece, Yes.
So it means so much to have it heard and it means that, you
know, people are going to listen, they are going to hear
it. And that's important to me,
obviously. And so, yeah, much appreciated.

(01:05:09):
Dude, I have no. Doubt in my opinion.
You're by far the best poet I'veever known.
But you don't know that many. I've been around the world
though, so I got enjoyed it, brother.
We'll close it up so we don't get people too long, but then we
go check out the man, you guys. Appreciate you brother, man,
that's all. I'm good being on here man.

(01:05:30):
I appreciate you friends man. It's a.
Pleasure nine more to cover all your other topics that you have.
So it'll be a 10 part series. Hey, I look forward to it, man.
Hey. Me too bro all it is a
conversation right? Exactly.
Is that all it is? Is sitting on the couch?
Go ahead. And hit the end here and let it
go. Yeah, no doubt, brother I.
Don't know if we do, we come up with something, we'll do it
later, but we got a bunch of stuff we can use now, so deuces.