January 31, 2023 • 49 mins
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Jesse Bratter is a dear friend of the pod, a freelance writer and stylist who has traveled extensively for work and pleasure. She is an expert in navigating single travel, having visited many destinations abroad, including Italy, France, Sweden, and Ireland.
"I've met so many people where the connection wasn't necessarily romantic but was still meaningful and impactful in other ways. Connecting with other human beings from other places and cultures with different backgrounds and life experiences is really powerful. I still hold close many of the connections I've made along my travels, even if I haven't seen or spoken to the person again since." - Jesse Bratter
While on work trips, after her obligations are over, Jesse often extends her stay to explore further—sometimes taking unexpected turns that have led to magical experiences. (Like the time she and her friend Cara decided to take a train from Milan to Lake Como—where they had already been once before—but upon arriving at the train station discovered the trains were on strike. Instead, they ended up visiting Florence for the first time, as that was the only train still in operation. By the end of the day, they were in a completely different part of the country than where they thought they'd be when they had woken up that morning.)
Jesse has many experiences traveling solo and, although she has an awareness of safety concerns and the language barrier can be an issue, she has learned lessons about being alert and trusting her intuition. On one solo trip to Stockholm, she even went on a Bumble date, which we chat about in this episode. Despite the uncertainty of being in an unfamiliar place, Jesse has found deeply meaningful experiences and connections worldwide.
In this episode, you will learn the following:
1. Solo Traveling Experiences: Exploring the nuances of traveling as a single woman.
2. Listening to your intuition and having the adventure.
3. Dating Abroad: Uncovering the unique experiences of dating in a foreign country.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi, love, this is Dawn and you're listening to
Dear Divorce Diary with my coach, dawn, where we explore the
post-divorce life and you, thewoman who lives it.
We cover everything from traumaduring and after divorce to
feeling like a stranger in yourown life and the new frontier of
life as a single woman.
We're cozy in for theconversations we've been longing
(00:26):
to have about this new life.
Hi, jessie, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hi, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So today, loves, we have Jessie Bradder with us, and
I'm so excited to have her onthe pod for multiple reasons.
Let me explain.
So Jessie is a single woman whodoes so much epic travel, and
that's why we have her here totell us all about traveling as a
single woman.
But also, jessie is on our teamhere at the pod, and so I love
(01:05):
that.
Y'all get to know a little bitmore about who we are and what
we do here at Dear Divorce Diary.
So when you open the pod onyour Apple podcast or whatever,
right, jessie is the one thatmade the sweet little graphic,
and when you see us on Instagram, jessie is the one that made
all the pretty pictures.
So welcome, jessie, thank you.
So, jessie, you have traveled somany places and you're going to
(01:29):
tell us about that, right?
But as we were talking aboutthis, i just think that so many
of us say, oh, my goodness, iwould just love to go to Italy,
it would be so amazing, etc.
You've been so many times toItaly.
But then, when we think aboutactually traveling, and
traveling as a single woman, ithink that what you do takes a
(01:52):
lot of courage, like so muchcourage, and I'm sure you have
so many stories to tell us aboutreally amazing experiences and
really hard things And we wouldlove to hear about that, but you
really are an amazing woman.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Thank you Takes one to no one.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So obviously in this context you've been divorced.
I just bloop your spot a little, but so you're divorced.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yes, I am.
Can I give a little context towhy I travel so?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
much.
Yes, yes, go for it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
So I'm a writer And so I'm on your team And I also
freelance for a lot of differentpeople and brands and places
and things.
So I write about design,interior design, and so I have
been really I mean, i'm sograteful for these opportunities
(02:57):
that I've had to travel.
So a lot of my travel,especially internationally, has
been for work, work, because,through work, because I have
these experiences, or I go tothese places and I see how
something is made And then Icome back and I write about it.
So so reason is so that mywriting can be more informed, so
(03:20):
that I can, you know, share itin a better way with you.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So many of these trips are largely paid for by a
brand that wants you to writeabout them.
So, but can I just highlightagain how courageous you are
Because, a you are your own boss, you are a freelancer, so so as
a single woman, you A don'teven have like a typical nine to
(03:44):
five paycheck.
So you're your own boss and youtravel for work and solo a lot.
Like you are just so brave.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So when I go on these trips, if they're for work, i
what I try to do is extend mytrip.
You know, once the work part isover, i'll extend my trip by a
couple of few days so that I canexplore, and so then I really
am traveling solo And I feellike you know I can definitely
(04:18):
talk some more about that.
But like, for example, if I'min Milan, i go to Milan every
year for this really bigfurniture show called Just that
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Uh-huh Milan for furniture show every year.
Hey, great.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And so when I am there then I try to do something
else, like maybe like traintravels, my new favorite things,
So I'll take a train you knowto wherever for the day, like
maybe it's Lake Como, maybe it'sone time I went with my friend
Cara, who Dawn knows.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yes, fan of the show, fan of Dawn in general, and we
were in Milan for this furnitureshow and we had a day like in
between the things before theshow really started, and so we
said let's take a trainsomewhere, you know, let's take
it to Lake Como.
We had spent the weekend.
Yeah, we had spent the weekendin Lake Como on another trip,
(05:18):
but you know, there's differentparts of Lake Como and I didn't
know, but now I know.
I also didn't know until I knew,and so you knew, yeah, we had
been in Verena and Bellagio, butthere are more places that you
can go to, and so we were goingto try to go to Como.
(05:41):
There's an actual Como in LakeComo, and so we were going to go
there.
So we get to the train stationand the trains are all on strike
.
Oh, and the trains are all onstrike because the weather was
beautiful that day, so just noone wanted to go to work.
You don't say, yeah, there wasnothing wrong Like there.
(06:05):
It wasn't like.
Oh, we're, you know, we'reprotesting, you know this
certain thing or anything.
The weather was nice And so thetrains were not running that
day Now.
It's just got to be a momentlike that, where, like we just
really don't get it in inAmerica, right, like we just
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don't get it A lot honestly whenI'm abroad is the quality of
life is just, you know and Idon't know about politics or you
know all the I don't know aboutall the things, but the quality
of life and the way they valueis truly different, is so
(06:47):
different from here.
It's really incredible.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
You find that all over the world, like not just in
Milan.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I find it in many places that I've been to in
Europe That's where most of mytravel has been to is Europe And
I, like in Italy and France andSweden, in Ireland, like I in
London, like I see it in allthose places for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Now I heard you tell someone recently that you
extended a couple of days, maybein Sweden, and ended up on a
bumble date.
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
That is true, but wait, can I tell you about?
there's more to the train story.
Oh, yes, okay, so the trainsare on strike.
So we were, but there, we wereat the train stations, we were
like now what.
You know we love Milan, happy tostay here, But I don't know, we
really had our hearts set ongoing somewhere else.
So we said to the woman shesaid this woman at the ticket
(07:50):
counter who was helping us shesaid, well, that there's a high
speed train that's still running, you know, to make like stops
in big cities for people whohave to go to work and stuff.
So we said, oh well, we're okay.
So where does that go?
And she said Florence.
Oh, okay, okay, florence, herewe come.
(08:10):
Yes, we hopped on a two hourtrain to Florence.
We made it pretty much and wewalked around for a little bit,
but we pretty much just haddinner And then we got back on
the train and went back to Milan.
Amazing.
So I'm just telling that storybecause I do feel like doing
(08:30):
that as a single slash, solowoman is interesting, but I had
really good experiences doingthat kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So on that day you were with a friend.
If you were solo, solo, do youthink that would have felt
different, or no?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I would have still done that Now that I've done it
with somebody.
Yeah, yeah, you know now thatI've done it with somebody, i
would do it again, but we'restill even just being two women.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Oh, it's still vulnerable, for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It's still vulnerable .
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, so I know I asked you about the Bumble Date,
but where we are just for adifferent thing.
So what do you think the thingis that most women have in their
mind about solo or singletravel, like the thing that
you've overcome, that most of uswould need to overcome?
Is it about like you're sittingon the train and you're by
(09:30):
yourself?
Is it what people think?
Is it about safety?
Is it about a no?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I would think I don't think it's lonely at all
because I mean, you're in such abeautiful place and I've met so
many people like interestingpeople, i know I'm just
wondering, so I don't think it'slonely.
I think that the fear is safety.
Safety And not knowing whereyou are and language barriers If
(10:03):
you don't speak the languagewhere you're going.
So like, for example, in Italy,a lot of people speak English
so, but some people don't, andso it can be difficult.
Like I do a lot of Googling,google translations.
I guess there's apps that makethat easier for you now,
(10:25):
probably, but that's like onething that's kind of hard.
That's hard in France too, butI was just in Sweden, which you
were just asking me about, andeveryone there spoke English, so
that was like a very easy placefor me to get around.
But I think that's probably thebiggest fear, and so is safety,
(10:48):
and so something that I do is,if I'm staying, when I'm
choosing a hotel because once Ileave my work situation, i'm on
my own.
So when I'm looking for a hotelto stay in, i just stay in a
really well populated area AndI'm just really careful about
(11:10):
where the hotel is And what'sthe public transportation like
there.
I kind of like look into thatbefore I decide where it is that
I'm gonna stay, and sometimes Idon't even decide that until I
get there And because I'll get afeel for it.
So I can get a feel for thearea And if this is a place I
(11:34):
wanna like still continue tostay in or not.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Wow, that is so interesting And it's very on
brand for the pod, meaning likereally tapping into the
vibration of a place beforedeciding how vulnerable you're
gonna make yourself.
Exactly Love that.
And I've heard you tell somestories, which maybe we'll get
to today, where you've been forsure in some dicey situations.
But have you ever really beenafraid or really like felt
(11:59):
unsafe?
And again, that's like it's perperson, right, We all kind of
have our vulnerabilities, likemaybe somebody's more anxious or
about travel specifically, butdo you think you can go into it
fairly positive?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I think, yeah, i don't.
Now they've done it so much Idon't necessarily have that fear
going into it.
However, i have learned lessonsabout being alert and kind of
aware of my surroundings andlike trusting or trusting if I
(12:38):
shouldn't be, and so I had.
I did have one incident where Iwasn't alone, though.
I was with a couple ofgirlfriends Kara was one of them
, and then our other friend,arlyn, that we were traveling
with.
So we're in the train stationin Milan and somebody, a
(13:01):
gentleman, came up to us andthis wasn't really about our
safety.
This was about like we werekind of hustled.
Oh okay, okay.
So a gentleman came up to usand asked us if we needed help
with our ticket.
getting tickets.
We were going out to Lake Comoand he asked us if we need help
(13:22):
with our tickets and he lookedlike he worked there.
He was like dressed veryprofessionally and he really
looked like he worked there.
So we were like, yes, sure,This is the first time.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
That would be amazing Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, the first time we were ever there, and so he
had us follow.
He took our bags, he just likegrabbed our bags and started
walking.
He just like, and he said,follow me to the counter, but he
just like ran off with our bags.
He wasn't running off in theend, we were just following him,
(13:57):
but like he ran off in thesense that he left dust behind
him.
Like he went that fast And wejust like, there he went, we
just like watched him with ourbags, so we followed him and
then and he brings us to thismachine that we didn't actually,
in the end, need his helpfiguring out, and we get the
(14:19):
tickets, and then he put hishand out to me for money And we
were not prepared for that.
And so we were like, well, wedon't have cash, sorry.
And he said, well, there's an,i'll take you to an ATM.
Like he wasn't letting it go,goodness.
So he said, let's go to the ATM.
(14:43):
So I, john, i for some reason,went with him And then his
friend stayed behind And we liketo I mean, i kind of thought
nothing of it, but I just likestarted walking with him And
then they told me later thatthey were standing there going.
Should we have let her go, likeit happens, so fast?
(15:04):
We just didn't even.
We weren't even thinking.
And so I followed him to an ATMwhere we were still in their
site line site, but there was areally long line.
So he goes come with me, followme to another one.
So I followed him and I walkeddown.
We walked downstairs, we getout of my friend's site And then
(15:28):
he turns a corner and now we'rewalking down this like hallway
in the train station And there'slike people around.
But we're getting to a lesspopulated part And I'm thinking,
and he's walking in front of me, not looking at me, and I'm
thinking, i'm going to myself,why am I following him?
Like, why are you doing this?
(15:48):
Yeah, but I kept going.
And so we get to the ATM, i getcash out, i give it to him, and
then he led me back up to myfriends and then he left.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So this is a great example, right, i've heard you
tell some stories where you havebeen in some dicey situations,
but this person clearly didn'thave any bad intentions.
Okay, so yeah, his profitscheme.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
He was not.
Yeah, he had no intention oflike hurting me, But I didn't
know that and I felt nervous.
So this is a story that I'mfeeling nervous And I went along
with it anyway, which you knowme a little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
So It's like a good dose of guilt to make a person
do something that they reallyhave no business doing.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Like you're probably not surprised that I went along
with it, but it's like I wasgoing against my intuition in
that sense, because I was likethis doesn't feel good but I'm
still, you know anyway.
So but a dicey or situation Idon't know if I felt like
actually unsafe.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
That's amazing.
I would guess that hassomething to do with you've had
so many positive experiences.
You probably have that point ofattraction, right Like you
probably carry with you acertain amount of confidence at
this point traveling.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I think I maybe at this point.
Yeah, yes, also, this is justlike another.
I don't know if this is a tipor not, but I was in Germany
once and done with my work day,and I just didn't feel like
going back to my hotel, and so Ibut it was getting dark and I
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was unfamiliar with the area andI don't speak German, and so I
didn't really want to be justroaming around on my own.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Makes sense Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
So, but I wasn't ready to go back.
So I was like, let me, let metry to do something indoors
somewhere.
Like let me try to find anactivity that I can do where I'm
not walking around.
So I thought I was, so first Iwas going to see Avatar.
Okay, That was the.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
German at the movies.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Do I go watch Avatar in German, i don't know.
And I kept walking.
Let me look for something else.
So I saw all these peoplewalking into a building and I
actually thought that they weregoing into a subway station and
I was like you know what, maybeit's just my day is over, maybe
let me just follow these peopleand I'll head back, and so I end
(18:34):
up in this opera house.
So they were all walking intothis opera house to see this
opera or a symphony, and so Iwent up to the box office and I
was like, are you still sellingtickets?
And as I was like waiting inline to see if they had tickets,
(18:55):
someone came up to me to scalptickets at the symphony, and so
I bought a ticket from her.
Amazing, yeah, and I'm.
I sit down and I'm sitting nextto this woman the same woman
(19:16):
who sold me the ticket and herwhole family because their
daughter was in the symphony.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Oh, fascinating.
Yeah, I bet you have a lot ofcool stories like that where
you've met people, talked topeople like, made connections.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yes, One time I went to a trade show in Ireland with
Kara and we.
so the trade show is for itsdesign and crafts and fashion,
like accessories, a littlefurniture, a lot of fashion.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
All the things women love to shop for.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
All the things.
yes, and there was thisarchitect and landscape
architect husband and wife teamwho have gotten together to they
basically design and makefurniture, that is, it's very
modern but it's inspired by theIreland landscape, so, like
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they'll have a brass mirror.
that's actually all theseetchings that remind me of like,
like like that has come upshore or whatever.
So, anyway, we meet them at thetrade show and we had such a
nice time talking to them.
They invited us to their homefor breakfast Yeah, that's so
(20:36):
nice, we're sitting in theirkitchen in Dublin and they were
like serving us, you know,pastries and coffee and yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You have an adventure soul for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I do, yes.
I just think that it's reallyinteresting to meet people that
are from other parts of theworld and, you know, outside of
your little, you know, when I'mhome I'm like in this little
bubble and I think it's reallynice to get out of that
sometimes.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
For sure Is there a downside to all the trouble that
you do.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I don't think so.
No jet lag.
No, yes, yes, okay, the jet lagis real.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
It's exhausting.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
It is tiring, it depends how.
You know I can't.
I traveled in June.
I traveled in June for anentire month and I wasn't just
going to one location I wasgoing to.
I was on 16 planes in 30 daysand it was not good.
(21:41):
I was like really grateful togo to all the places I was going
to, but it was exhausting and Iwill never do that again.
I won't do it in that way.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So there is such a thing as too much travel, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
There's such a thing as, yeah, packing too much in,
yeah, one sitting you know, sotell us about your bumble date
in Sweden.
Okay, so I've actually had twobumble dates abroad.
Okay, so I'll tell you about Imean ladies, can you imagine?
I mean first of all, you know,I could talk on an entire
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episode about how I feel aboutbumble dating.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, that's a different episode, but I can
appreciate you placing thatstatement there.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, Just disclaimer .
You know, dating today is veryinteresting, very something.
Yeah, yeah, it's something.
But but I was in Stockholm fora work trip.
I went to go, like visit afactory to see how something was
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made, and after the trip wasover I had extended my stay a
couple days because I had neverbeen there, and so I was on my
own for the last few days, andso I and I don't, i really don't
mind that, like I, i likeexploring around.
I'll go to a museum.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Did it take getting used to, or has it always kind
of come naturally to you?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
That has always come naturally to me.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Okay, so a different woman, just so you know, as a
therapist, a different womanmight have a different
experience of it.
I don't want you thinking thatyour ease in.
I don't want to call italoneness, because you've
already acknowledged it's notlike alone for you, it's like
you're in a space where there'sso much potential, so much
(23:43):
opportunity for connection,right?
So so, leigh, i want you toreally tune into that, because I
do think, jessie, that thereare many women who would feel
really alone and yourperspective on opportunity for
connection is so powerful, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
That's nice to hear.
And also, you know, what'sweird is my sister, who is
married now, so she's you know,she'd probably want me to put
that disclaimer out there thatshe's not going to bars and
everything now anymore, but shewould go sit at a bar.
She actually would sit at a bar, but she would go sit at a bar
by herself, anywhere Andanywhere and feel totally
(24:23):
comfortable and meet people thatway.
And that is just not for me.
I won't, i won't, i don't feelcomfortable doing that.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Going to bars to meet people.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Going to a bar by myself.
But I will.
I'll go around the world bymyself, Yes, yes.
So I don't know what you'resaying.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
So she doesn't do that abroad, she just does that
in her life.
Yeah, but you wouldn't feelcomfortable doing that in your
backyard, correct?
I see That is interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I know, is that weird ?
What's that about?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Oh, that's on packet.
No, no, no, no, no In our nextteam meeting.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, i would go to like a I mean, it might have
something to do with I'm not abig drinker So literally, a
bar's heading is like what am Idoing, you know?
But like I would go in my ownbackyard and I do like to a
gallery or a museum or somethingthat I like by myself for sure,
but anyway, so I'm, yeah, soI'm there in Sweden and I'm like
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you know what, i don't know,let me just see, check it out
here, bumble, and see what thescene is like.
You know, let me see what'sgoing on, so you could move to.
Sweden.
Like that could happen.
I could totally move to SwedenAnd I.
I have also this mindset oflike you just never know.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You never know Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And you never know who you're going to connect with
And you know whether it's like.
I've met so many people andthis is spoiler alert going to
be a story like this.
I met so many people where it'snot a romantic connection but
it's some kind of rich with it,it was a meaningful connection
with, like another human being,and to me that's very valuable.
(26:16):
Yeah, so I, so I, and then alsoyou just never know, and maybe
we like each other enough tokeep and touch long distance and
who knows?
So, like I definitely You canmeet Milan next year, totally.
Yeah, don't tell my mom, butyes, but so I go on to it.
(26:39):
And I met a gentleman.
You know I matched with thisperson who seemed interesting in
our brief exchange that we had.
So I said I'm only here for acouple of days, if you want to,
you know.
So we said that we would meetup for-.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I have a sidebar here .
Do you think that that impliessex?
I'm only here for a couple ofdays.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
So, while I'm glad you're here, i think you're on
that.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, so I and I'm not.
You know some women.
Yeah, like you, do you boo?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
right, whatever Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
And that's great for them.
It's not what I was looking for, so I do feel like this is so
interesting, so I do.
I did feel like I needed to putit out there, like I'm here for
a couple of days, but not forthat Yeah.
Here for a couple of days, notfor that, you know.
I said that to a couple ofpeople actually, and one of them
(27:39):
said to me I think the Swedesare pretty harmless, you know, i
don't think you have to saythat And I was like that's so
interesting, it's a no 100%.
Have to say that, because thatis that's a lot of the exp-.
When I go on dates here, thatis an experience I am confronted
(28:02):
with very often on the firstdate.
So I felt like, yeah, i waslike let me put, let me
disclaimer now because I am in aforeign country.
You know, when I'm here on myhome turf at least I can it's
way more comfortable to end anight when I want it to end, but
there I don't know what's gonnahappen.
(28:23):
So I did feel like a littledisclaimer was in order, but
turns out it wasn't necessary.
I mean, i met really nicepeople, so anyway.
So I meet this one guy fordinner and it turns out he was
in recovery.
I don't know if this is animportant part of the
conversation, but because ofthat we've met for dinner
(28:45):
versus-.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, i mean it was a good fit for you, because
you're not like, drinking isn'ta priority for you.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, Right, right, and so we ended up, i think
because he was in recovery.
He was very he's in this stage-.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Of self reflection and doing some work and Love
that.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Exactly.
So our whole night wasbasically talking like that, you
know about those kinds ofthings, And it was really
fascinating.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I mean Like a really nice out night out in Sweden.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
We had a wonderful dinner.
Then we went, you know movesomewhere else for coffee and
kept talking And we were just.
We were talking like about howI believe this is going off
topic slightly, but this is whatwe were talking about at dinner
And this is part of why I liketraveling and meeting people.
When I'm traveling is because,i don't know, i kind of believe
(29:47):
a lot of things about theafterlife and if we've lived,
other lives.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I am here for this conversation.
I know you are, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
And it, but I.
But one belief that I have isthat we everybody that you
connect with in this life issomebody that you have had a
connection with in another life,maybe in a different capacity,
but I do believe our souls areconnected in whatever way, and
(30:20):
so he and I were talking aboutthat and saying, like we were
saying to each other even youand I are connected.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So in quantum mechanics we would call that
entangled particles.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Okay, Love it.
Here we are.
we're two strangers who live incompletely different parts of
the world, But we're supposed tobe here having this
conversation for some reason.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, this thing I'm gonna say is gonna be like so.
thank you, captain Obvious Don.
I think you have such a wayabout you, jesse, that just
always anticipates the good inevery person, and I think that
it serves you within the contextof this conversation, because I
think your point of attractionis I am safe, you're good, this
(31:15):
is good.
It really is so interesting,though, to be talking to you
about international travel as asingle woman and for you to just
whether you're following theguy to the ATM or, you know,
sharing the soul connection withthis person in Sweden, like it
really is something specialabout you to anticipate the good
and the people that you meet.
It's really beautiful.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Thank you.
Is it good or is it, you know,gullible?
I don't know what's thedifference.
When do you cross over?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I think at its core it is absolutely good.
Right, but anything can have ashadow expression, and so if you
take it to the place where youignore flags or you ignore, like
you said, your intuition aboutsomething, even then I don't
think.
I think that was a learning.
The ATM piece sounds like alearning opportunity for you, oh
, notice that.
Notice that I did that, but Ithink at its core it's beautiful
(32:10):
, absolutely beautiful.
Thank you Don't ignore thethings.
But you know, we talk a lot onthe pod about vibrationally
attracting things that are amatch for the vibrational place
that you are, and I think that,at its core, i think you
probably attract a lot of reallymagical experiences.
(32:31):
You mentioned once well, youtold me this story once about
arriving somewhere in France inthe middle of the night and
they're not being anyone in thehotel to check you in.
And it's the middle of thenight, in the streets of France,
and but then, you know, somehow, some way, you found a phone
number that led you to thatright and the person came and
checked you in.
So it's almost like, no matterwhat situation you've been in,
(32:53):
it's worked out, which is, ithink it probably is a
reflection of your attitude andyour approach to life, and it's
awesome.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Which is also really interesting about perspective
like everything's aboutperspective because there we
were standing in the middle ofthe night on the street going,
oh my god, what are we gonna do?
I can't believe this ishappening.
Yeah, you know, and I didn'tthink of it that way until you
(33:21):
had said that, so you know thatthat I mean thank, we were
grateful that somebody showed upwho could speak French and call
the owner of the hotel for usand, you know, help us figure it
out.
But at the time we were like,really, what's gonna happen here
?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, Yeah, you were on the adventure.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, on the adventure.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
So one of the things that I also want to point out is
just how beautifully you'reliving your life.
You know, i think so many of ushave framed I'll do it, when
I'll do it, when I'll do it whenI'll do it when right.
And then you are not waitingfor the right partner to do the
things, and I understand that somuch of your travel is for work
(34:05):
, but but you're just doing thethings and you're living your
life, and you're living it withsuch a beautiful attitude, and I
love that, and I think there'sa beautiful lesson in this to
all of us, about doing the thingthat you're inspired to do,
regardless of the circumstances.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yes, and I agree with that, and even though I am
traveling for work, it's like Ikind of chose this path of work
that would allow you to do thesethings and have these
experiences.
I just went on a cruise.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I saw those pictures.
That was mind-blowing to me.
So were you like on the Virginvoyage of the Virgin?
was it a Virgin?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yes, it was a maiden voyage of this particular set of
Virgin voyages and the reasonit was a press trip.
So there were eight otherwriters on the trip I believe
was eight other writers on thetrip but basically we kind of
like did our own thing duringthe day and then we would come
back together at night fordinner.
The reason they had the trip isbecause Richard Branson was on
(35:12):
the ship, like he was gonna beon the ship.
So they're like, let's get somewriters on so they can
interview him.
So I interviewed him, i havelunch with him and we, you know,
chatted with him about why hestarted the cruise ship and and
things like that.
So, yeah, so that was reallycool, but while I was on this
ship, so we did.
(35:32):
You know, we had theopportunity to do.
You could either stay on theship if you wanted or you could
do an excursion, and so Idecided that I was gonna do an
excursion one day when we werein Honduras, and the excursion I
picked was horseback riding.
I don't remember if I told youabout it.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I saw the pictures.
You were like this is so and so, and now we're friends.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yes, right, my horse Storm Storm.
Yes, i remember, yep, yeah.
So I chose to go horsebackriding in the jungle, which I do
think is as a solo woman as asolo woman, sort of a courageous
(36:21):
or adventurous kind of thing,yes, but I, so I go, but it was
like the most incredibleexperience, so I'm sharing it
because I feel like if there's awoman out there listening to
this who would be afraid to gofor some reason, you got to just
go because I had.
I was so like moved andaffected by the experience
(36:44):
because so we went to, so theship is there at the shore and
we get on a bus and we'redriving to this ranch or
wherever, yeah, like a beachclub kind of thing, where they
had these horses.
It was on the beach, okay.
So all of the horse, all of thehorses, were rescue horses.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
So they were either abused or neglected or abandoned
during COVID, while everyonewas quarantining Right And there
was no tourist travel to havethe revenue to feed the horse,
yeah.
Okay, right.
And when these people acquiredthe horses, they did not know
that some of them were pregnant.
(37:30):
Oh my word.
So all of a sudden the horsesstarted having babies.
More horses, more horses.
So we go on this.
it was a, you know, it was aguided tour, so there were other
people that came from the shipand we are on the horses in kind
of a line.
you know, they line you up andthey just walk behind each other
(37:54):
and every now and then you haveto gallop a little, trot a
little to catch up, you know ifyour horse stops for whatever
reason.
but as we're doing this, we'regoing through the jungle, like
on all these jungle trails onthe horse, and then all the
babies are running alongside andlike in and out of the line,
their mamas with their mamas,because they couldn't, it was
(38:16):
too soon for them to beseparated from them, and it was
just such a magical experience Ihad not.
I've been on a horse before,not in many, many years, but
I've never experienced that withbabies.
you know, like feeling that,yeah, energy, their energy, and
then we come out of the jungleand we, they took us into the
(38:38):
ocean.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
In Right, you got to be on your horse in the ocean,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
On the horse in the ocean and I I literally started
crying.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Well, we just even talk about from an energetic
perspective.
so horses have this hugeelectromagnetic field to do with
their heart center and so whenwe talk about needing to
regulate emotionally or needingto get grounded, being with a
horse is literally you are intheir electrical magnetic field,
and then to be in the ocean,which is just so soothing and
(39:11):
healing, and I mean I can justimagine, right, i mean.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I do the thing.
Yeah, i definitely 100% feltall that energy and it just kind
of like overcame me and I couldhave picked any excursion.
I could have picked noexcursion.
The ship was beautiful, likethere's plenty to do on the ship
, you don't have to get off.
But so, like I'm saying, getoff the ship And also even on a
(39:40):
cruise ship and you'd go do anexcursion, you don't really know
where you're going, you don'treally know.
I mean, i would suggest thatyou do it through the crew, you
pick the excursion through thecruise and not like go off on
your own and find it.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
But there is something coming up here about
so often.
As women, i think, we're usedto outsourcing our sense of
well-being to a partner, so likeI'm safe because I have a
partner with me, for instance,or I don't have to own my own
safety because I have a partnerwith me.
And maybe you've been in amarriage where that didn't feel
(40:18):
true for you and that was one ofthe problems.
But it is so true that as women, we are so strong and so
powerful and so capable and somagical And obviously y'all hear
me say this to you week afterweek after week.
But I think when you go throughexperiences like this, where
you're traveling and you'restanding in your power and
you're tapped into it so vividly, it's like you just know I
(40:41):
don't need to outsource my powerto some dude.
It's right here, me and thishorse Storm.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Right Now.
Ok, i you know, would it benice to go back one day with a
partner to all these people.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
For sure, it's not all or nothing.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Of course, absolutely Like.
I have a joke with my friendKara, who I go on a lot of my
work trips with, and we always,you know, so like we just went
to Venice.
So we were in Milan, we tookour day trip.
This time, no, sorry, we werein Bologna.
Ok, that was a different trip.
We were in Bologna for a tileand stone trade show, and so we
(41:24):
extended, you know, extended afew days, and so one of the days
we went we took a train toVenice.
That was my first time being inVenice.
Highly recommend, it was thepictures, gorgeous, yeah,
magical place.
But you know, after we were, inPeru.
You're on the gondola with Karanot with, i was with Kara.
(41:45):
Well, here we are again, youknow, on our honeymoon, on our
honeymoon in Venice, on ourhoneymoon quality trip together,
you know.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
So I mean, I just wouldn't be authentic if I
didn't also.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
But they're still long, like you have long.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, of course I would like some.
You know I'd like to go back tosome of these places, but I'm
so happy to also just be thereon my own as well, you know.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
OK, ok.
So just to wrap us up, you haveto tell us the story of your
mom in the refrigerator.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
OK, my mom in the refrigerator, which is a story
that she does not know.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Mom, if you're listening, turn it off now.
My sister has a big mouth.
Is the moral?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
of the story.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
I think we just got you guys in trouble.
Did I just do that?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
So my sister told me at one point that she was over
at my mom's house and wasobserving that my mom was
standing at the refrigerator.
You know, the refrigeratordoors open and my mom's just
looking into the door and she'slike, oh, i'm going to be in the
refrigerator, my mom's justlooking into it, deciding.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
One might assume that she was deciding what to eat,
but it turns out that's not whatwas going on for her.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Right, Actually, you're right, That's a better
segue.
So she's standing there lookinginto the refrigerator and just
talking to herself And she justsaid out loud you know what?
at least Jesse's having a goodlife, Oh good, Well me?
then I was like oh my God, Okay.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Well, like any good Jewish mother, she wants you to
marry a good chiropractor orsomething right, Like she wants
to go there.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
She has tried so to set me up with her own
chiropractors.
I can't even.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Okay So, but I love that, right, because the truth
is you are having a good lifeAnd, yes, we can acknowledge
that there's a longing to have areally amazing partner, and we
can also acknowledge that he'sout there and the timing hasn't
lined up yet, right, yeah, butmoms, right, i hope that's true,
(44:15):
but yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I just haven't gone to the right country yet.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Perhaps I think it has to be a really magical
relationship to be able to liketop some of these magical travel
things.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
But you know what?
Can I tell you one more story?
Yes, or okay, i don't know howmuch time it has been, but so I
went on a date recently withsome okay, one of my work trips
was for many, many years ago,but I still, i could like
(44:54):
picture it today Like it's, likeit just happened.
Yesterday was for a companythat is called Cosentino.
That is a stone company.
The surfaces they make likesurface material here, so they
make like tops, maybe flooring,maybe for the wall, like
anywhere you would put a stone,Okay, so they are based in Spain
(45:21):
, and so I went on a press tripto their factory in Spain.
It was in El Maria, spain, andthey took us out to the quarry
where they get the material from, and they were putting on a
cliff, basically looking downinto this you know like valley
(45:44):
looking thing, and there are,there were like cranes that were
like carving stone out of theside of the mountain.
And then they took us back totheir factory and showed us how
it goes from that to become yourkind of.
And so ever since that day, icannot look at a countertop in
(46:05):
the same way.
So, if you know, i can't lookat a countertop without thinking
about standing there on thatmountain.
And so I, when somebody, like afriend or a family, whoever,
asks me like, hey, what do youthink you know which countertop
should I go with?
It's like you have no idea whatyou just asked me.
That is not a simple one, twoor three question.
(46:33):
And so I was on a date recentlywith somebody who kind of like
who buys condos and he renovatesthem and he rents them out,
maybe flips them or whatever,and he was talking to me about
how, and he was very sweet.
This is nothing against him oranything, but he was talking
(46:56):
about how he will pick.
You know, he just goes here orthere and picks whatever
material and he doesn't reallycare about the quality.
It just it looks good in theend.
So that's that.
And I was like he doesn't givequality of the material.
In my mind I was like this isnot going to go anywhere
Anywhere.
This is not ever going to likeunderstand each other.
(47:22):
Yeah, you know.
Yeah.
So anyway, something you justsaid, mimi, think of that.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah that you know your next relationship is going
to have to be epically in linewith this kind of magical thing
you've carved out for yourself.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
I hope so, Hopefully yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
I want you to think of that.
in the same way you havegoodwill towards all the people
you meet, i want you to offeryourself the same goodwill.
Nobody gets off the pod withoutgetting coached, i guess.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Josie, thank you so much for doing another
courageous thing by coming on apod and being with us and
sharing your stories andinspiring us with all of your
goodwill and your courage andyour adventures.
It's amazing.
And thank you for inspiring uswith your graphics and things,
all the things you do for thepod.
Truly truly, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Thank you for having me And I hope that you, you know
, i hope I'm doing people whoare listening a good service by
picking out the good, like youhave so many good, you know,
revelation, kind of epiphany,like moment.
you've given me so many ofthose kind of moments.
(48:47):
So it's, you know, it's verycathartic for me to listen to
your podcast and try to pick outwhat the good soundbites are.
So, thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah, we're a good team.
I love it.
Yes, all right, okay, loves.
Until next week.
Peace, dear Divorce Diary is apodcast by My Coach John.
You can find more atMyCoachJohncom.
Hi, love, this is Dawn and you're listening to
Dear Divorce Diary with my coach, dawn, where we explore the
post-divorce life and you, thewoman who lives it.
We cover everything from traumaduring and after divorce to
feeling like a stranger in yourown life and the new frontier of
life as a single woman.
We're cozy in for theconversations we've been longing
(00:26):
to have about this new life.
Hi, jessie, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hi, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So today, loves, we have Jessie Bradder with us, and
I'm so excited to have her onthe pod for multiple reasons.
Let me explain.
So Jessie is a single woman whodoes so much epic travel, and
that's why we have her here totell us all about traveling as a
single woman.
But also, jessie is on our teamhere at the pod, and so I love
(01:05):
that.
Y'all get to know a little bitmore about who we are and what
we do here at Dear Divorce Diary.
So when you open the pod onyour Apple podcast or whatever,
right, jessie is the one thatmade the sweet little graphic,
and when you see us on Instagram, jessie is the one that made
all the pretty pictures.
So welcome, jessie, thank you.
So, jessie, you have traveled somany places and you're going to
(01:29):
tell us about that, right?
But as we were talking aboutthis, i just think that so many
of us say, oh, my goodness, iwould just love to go to Italy,
it would be so amazing, etc.
You've been so many times toItaly.
But then, when we think aboutactually traveling, and
traveling as a single woman, ithink that what you do takes a
(01:52):
lot of courage, like so muchcourage, and I'm sure you have
so many stories to tell us aboutreally amazing experiences and
really hard things And we wouldlove to hear about that, but you
really are an amazing woman.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Thank you Takes one to no one.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So obviously in this context you've been divorced.
I just bloop your spot a little, but so you're divorced.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yes, I am.
Can I give a little context towhy I travel so?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
much.
Yes, yes, go for it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
So I'm a writer And so I'm on your team And I also
freelance for a lot of differentpeople and brands and places
and things.
So I write about design,interior design, and so I have
been really I mean, i'm sograteful for these opportunities
(02:57):
that I've had to travel.
So a lot of my travel,especially internationally, has
been for work, work, because,through work, because I have
these experiences, or I go tothese places and I see how
something is made And then Icome back and I write about it.
So so reason is so that mywriting can be more informed, so
(03:20):
that I can, you know, share itin a better way with you.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So many of these trips are largely paid for by a
brand that wants you to writeabout them.
So, but can I just highlightagain how courageous you are
Because, a you are your own boss, you are a freelancer, so so as
a single woman, you A don'teven have like a typical nine to
(03:44):
five paycheck.
So you're your own boss and youtravel for work and solo a lot.
Like you are just so brave.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So when I go on these trips, if they're for work, i
what I try to do is extend mytrip.
You know, once the work part isover, i'll extend my trip by a
couple of few days so that I canexplore, and so then I really
am traveling solo And I feellike you know I can definitely
(04:18):
talk some more about that.
But like, for example, if I'min Milan, i go to Milan every
year for this really bigfurniture show called Just that
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Uh-huh Milan for furniture show every year.
Hey, great.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And so when I am there then I try to do something
else, like maybe like traintravels, my new favorite things,
So I'll take a train you knowto wherever for the day, like
maybe it's Lake Como, maybe it'sone time I went with my friend
Cara, who Dawn knows.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yes, fan of the show, fan of Dawn in general, and we
were in Milan for this furnitureshow and we had a day like in
between the things before theshow really started, and so we
said let's take a trainsomewhere, you know, let's take
it to Lake Como.
We had spent the weekend.
Yeah, we had spent the weekendin Lake Como on another trip,
(05:18):
but you know, there's differentparts of Lake Como and I didn't
know, but now I know.
I also didn't know until I knew,and so you knew, yeah, we had
been in Verena and Bellagio, butthere are more places that you
can go to, and so we were goingto try to go to Como.
(05:41):
There's an actual Como in LakeComo, and so we were going to go
there.
So we get to the train stationand the trains are all on strike
.
Oh, and the trains are all onstrike because the weather was
beautiful that day, so just noone wanted to go to work.
You don't say, yeah, there wasnothing wrong Like there.
(06:05):
It wasn't like.
Oh, we're, you know, we'reprotesting, you know this
certain thing or anything.
The weather was nice And so thetrains were not running that
day Now.
It's just got to be a momentlike that, where, like we just
really don't get it in inAmerica, right, like we just
(06:25):
don't get it A lot honestly whenI'm abroad is the quality of
life is just, you know and Idon't know about politics or you
know all the I don't know aboutall the things, but the quality
of life and the way they valueis truly different, is so
(06:47):
different from here.
It's really incredible.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
You find that all over the world, like not just in
Milan.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I find it in many places that I've been to in
Europe That's where most of mytravel has been to is Europe And
I, like in Italy and France andSweden, in Ireland, like I in
London, like I see it in allthose places for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Now I heard you tell someone recently that you
extended a couple of days, maybein Sweden, and ended up on a
bumble date.
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
That is true, but wait, can I tell you about?
there's more to the train story.
Oh, yes, okay, so the trainsare on strike.
So we were, but there, we wereat the train stations, we were
like now what.
You know we love Milan, happy tostay here, But I don't know, we
really had our hearts set ongoing somewhere else.
So we said to the woman shesaid this woman at the ticket
(07:50):
counter who was helping us shesaid, well, that there's a high
speed train that's still running, you know, to make like stops
in big cities for people whohave to go to work and stuff.
So we said, oh well, we're okay.
So where does that go?
And she said Florence.
Oh, okay, okay, florence, herewe come.
(08:10):
Yes, we hopped on a two hourtrain to Florence.
We made it pretty much and wewalked around for a little bit,
but we pretty much just haddinner And then we got back on
the train and went back to Milan.
Amazing.
So I'm just telling that storybecause I do feel like doing
(08:30):
that as a single slash, solowoman is interesting, but I had
really good experiences doingthat kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So on that day you were with a friend.
If you were solo, solo, do youthink that would have felt
different, or no?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I would have still done that Now that I've done it
with somebody.
Yeah, yeah, you know now thatI've done it with somebody, i
would do it again, but we'restill even just being two women.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Oh, it's still vulnerable, for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It's still vulnerable .
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, so I know I asked you about the Bumble Date,
but where we are just for adifferent thing.
So what do you think the thingis that most women have in their
mind about solo or singletravel, like the thing that
you've overcome, that most of uswould need to overcome?
Is it about like you're sittingon the train and you're by
(09:30):
yourself?
Is it what people think?
Is it about safety?
Is it about a no?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I would think I don't think it's lonely at all
because I mean, you're in such abeautiful place and I've met so
many people like interestingpeople, i know I'm just
wondering, so I don't think it'slonely.
I think that the fear is safety.
Safety And not knowing whereyou are and language barriers If
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you don't speak the languagewhere you're going.
So like, for example, in Italy,a lot of people speak English
so, but some people don't, andso it can be difficult.
Like I do a lot of Googling,google translations.
I guess there's apps that makethat easier for you now,
(10:25):
probably, but that's like onething that's kind of hard.
That's hard in France too, butI was just in Sweden, which you
were just asking me about, andeveryone there spoke English, so
that was like a very easy placefor me to get around.
But I think that's probably thebiggest fear, and so is safety,
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and so something that I do is,if I'm staying, when I'm
choosing a hotel because once Ileave my work situation, i'm on
my own.
So when I'm looking for a hotelto stay in, i just stay in a
really well populated area AndI'm just really careful about
(11:10):
where the hotel is And what'sthe public transportation like
there.
I kind of like look into thatbefore I decide where it is that
I'm gonna stay, and sometimes Idon't even decide that until I
get there And because I'll get afeel for it.
So I can get a feel for thearea And if this is a place I
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wanna like still continue tostay in or not.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Wow, that is so interesting And it's very on
brand for the pod, meaning likereally tapping into the
vibration of a place beforedeciding how vulnerable you're
gonna make yourself.
Exactly Love that.
And I've heard you tell somestories, which maybe we'll get
to today, where you've been forsure in some dicey situations.
But have you ever really beenafraid or really like felt
(11:59):
unsafe?
And again, that's like it's perperson, right, We all kind of
have our vulnerabilities, likemaybe somebody's more anxious or
about travel specifically, butdo you think you can go into it
fairly positive?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I think, yeah, i don't.
Now they've done it so much Idon't necessarily have that fear
going into it.
However, i have learned lessonsabout being alert and kind of
aware of my surroundings andlike trusting or trusting if I
(12:38):
shouldn't be, and so I had.
I did have one incident where Iwasn't alone, though.
I was with a couple ofgirlfriends Kara was one of them
, and then our other friend,arlyn, that we were traveling
with.
So we're in the train stationin Milan and somebody, a
(13:01):
gentleman, came up to us andthis wasn't really about our
safety.
This was about like we werekind of hustled.
Oh okay, okay.
So a gentleman came up to usand asked us if we needed help
with our ticket.
getting tickets.
We were going out to Lake Comoand he asked us if we need help
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with our tickets and he lookedlike he worked there.
He was like dressed veryprofessionally and he really
looked like he worked there.
So we were like, yes, sure,This is the first time.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
That would be amazing Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, the first time we were ever there, and so he
had us follow.
He took our bags, he just likegrabbed our bags and started
walking.
He just like, and he said,follow me to the counter, but he
just like ran off with our bags.
He wasn't running off in theend, we were just following him,
(13:57):
but like he ran off in thesense that he left dust behind
him.
Like he went that fast And wejust like, there he went, we
just like watched him with ourbags, so we followed him and
then and he brings us to thismachine that we didn't actually,
in the end, need his helpfiguring out, and we get the
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tickets, and then he put hishand out to me for money And we
were not prepared for that.
And so we were like, well, wedon't have cash, sorry.
And he said, well, there's an,i'll take you to an ATM.
Like he wasn't letting it go,goodness.
So he said, let's go to the ATM.
(14:43):
So I, john, i for some reason,went with him And then his
friend stayed behind And we liketo I mean, i kind of thought
nothing of it, but I just likestarted walking with him And
then they told me later thatthey were standing there going.
Should we have let her go, likeit happens, so fast?
(15:04):
We just didn't even.
We weren't even thinking.
And so I followed him to an ATMwhere we were still in their
site line site, but there was areally long line.
So he goes come with me, followme to another one.
So I followed him and I walkeddown.
We walked downstairs, we getout of my friend's site And then
(15:28):
he turns a corner and now we'rewalking down this like hallway
in the train station And there'slike people around.
But we're getting to a lesspopulated part And I'm thinking,
and he's walking in front of me, not looking at me, and I'm
thinking, i'm going to myself,why am I following him?
Like, why are you doing this?
(15:48):
Yeah, but I kept going.
And so we get to the ATM, i getcash out, i give it to him, and
then he led me back up to myfriends and then he left.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So this is a great example, right, i've heard you
tell some stories where you havebeen in some dicey situations,
but this person clearly didn'thave any bad intentions.
Okay, so yeah, his profitscheme.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
He was not.
Yeah, he had no intention oflike hurting me, But I didn't
know that and I felt nervous.
So this is a story that I'mfeeling nervous And I went along
with it anyway, which you knowme a little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
So It's like a good dose of guilt to make a person
do something that they reallyhave no business doing.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Like you're probably not surprised that I went along
with it, but it's like I wasgoing against my intuition in
that sense, because I was likethis doesn't feel good but I'm
still, you know anyway.
So but a dicey or situation Idon't know if I felt like
actually unsafe.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
That's amazing.
I would guess that hassomething to do with you've had
so many positive experiences.
You probably have that point ofattraction, right Like you
probably carry with you acertain amount of confidence at
this point traveling.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I think I maybe at this point.
Yeah, yes, also, this is justlike another.
I don't know if this is a tipor not, but I was in Germany
once and done with my work day,and I just didn't feel like
going back to my hotel, and so Ibut it was getting dark and I
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was unfamiliar with the area andI don't speak German, and so I
didn't really want to be justroaming around on my own.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Makes sense Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
So, but I wasn't ready to go back.
So I was like, let me, let metry to do something indoors
somewhere.
Like let me try to find anactivity that I can do where I'm
not walking around.
So I thought I was, so first Iwas going to see Avatar.
Okay, That was the.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
German at the movies.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Do I go watch Avatar in German, i don't know.
And I kept walking.
Let me look for something else.
So I saw all these peoplewalking into a building and I
actually thought that they weregoing into a subway station and
I was like you know what, maybeit's just my day is over, maybe
let me just follow these peopleand I'll head back, and so I end
(18:34):
up in this opera house.
So they were all walking intothis opera house to see this
opera or a symphony, and so Iwent up to the box office and I
was like, are you still sellingtickets?
And as I was like waiting inline to see if they had tickets,
(18:55):
someone came up to me to scalptickets at the symphony, and so
I bought a ticket from her.
Amazing, yeah, and I'm.
I sit down and I'm sitting nextto this woman the same woman
(19:16):
who sold me the ticket and herwhole family because their
daughter was in the symphony.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Oh, fascinating.
Yeah, I bet you have a lot ofcool stories like that where
you've met people, talked topeople like, made connections.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yes, One time I went to a trade show in Ireland with
Kara and we.
so the trade show is for itsdesign and crafts and fashion,
like accessories, a littlefurniture, a lot of fashion.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
All the things women love to shop for.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
All the things.
yes, and there was thisarchitect and landscape
architect husband and wife teamwho have gotten together to they
basically design and makefurniture, that is, it's very
modern but it's inspired by theIreland landscape, so, like
(20:15):
they'll have a brass mirror.
that's actually all theseetchings that remind me of like,
like like that has come upshore or whatever.
So, anyway, we meet them at thetrade show and we had such a
nice time talking to them.
They invited us to their homefor breakfast Yeah, that's so
(20:36):
nice, we're sitting in theirkitchen in Dublin and they were
like serving us, you know,pastries and coffee and yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You have an adventure soul for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I do, yes.
I just think that it's reallyinteresting to meet people that
are from other parts of theworld and, you know, outside of
your little, you know, when I'mhome I'm like in this little
bubble and I think it's reallynice to get out of that
sometimes.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
For sure Is there a downside to all the trouble that
you do.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I don't think so.
No jet lag.
No, yes, yes, okay, the jet lagis real.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
It's exhausting.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
It is tiring, it depends how.
You know I can't.
I traveled in June.
I traveled in June for anentire month and I wasn't just
going to one location I wasgoing to.
I was on 16 planes in 30 daysand it was not good.
(21:41):
I was like really grateful togo to all the places I was going
to, but it was exhausting and Iwill never do that again.
I won't do it in that way.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So there is such a thing as too much travel, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
There's such a thing as, yeah, packing too much in,
yeah, one sitting you know, sotell us about your bumble date
in Sweden.
Okay, so I've actually had twobumble dates abroad.
Okay, so I'll tell you about Imean ladies, can you imagine?
I mean first of all, you know,I could talk on an entire
(22:22):
episode about how I feel aboutbumble dating.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, that's a different episode, but I can
appreciate you placing thatstatement there.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, Just disclaimer .
You know, dating today is veryinteresting, very something.
Yeah, yeah, it's something.
But but I was in Stockholm fora work trip.
I went to go, like visit afactory to see how something was
(22:52):
made, and after the trip wasover I had extended my stay a
couple days because I had neverbeen there, and so I was on my
own for the last few days, andso I and I don't, i really don't
mind that, like I, i likeexploring around.
I'll go to a museum.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Did it take getting used to, or has it always kind
of come naturally to you?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
That has always come naturally to me.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Okay, so a different woman, just so you know, as a
therapist, a different womanmight have a different
experience of it.
I don't want you thinking thatyour ease in.
I don't want to call italoneness, because you've
already acknowledged it's notlike alone for you, it's like
you're in a space where there'sso much potential, so much
(23:43):
opportunity for connection,right?
So so, leigh, i want you toreally tune into that, because I
do think, jessie, that thereare many women who would feel
really alone and yourperspective on opportunity for
connection is so powerful, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
That's nice to hear.
And also, you know, what'sweird is my sister, who is
married now, so she's you know,she'd probably want me to put
that disclaimer out there thatshe's not going to bars and
everything now anymore, but shewould go sit at a bar.
She actually would sit at a bar, but she would go sit at a bar
by herself, anywhere Andanywhere and feel totally
(24:23):
comfortable and meet people thatway.
And that is just not for me.
I won't, i won't, i don't feelcomfortable doing that.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Going to bars to meet people.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Going to a bar by myself.
But I will.
I'll go around the world bymyself, Yes, yes.
So I don't know what you'resaying.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
So she doesn't do that abroad, she just does that
in her life.
Yeah, but you wouldn't feelcomfortable doing that in your
backyard, correct?
I see That is interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I know, is that weird ?
What's that about?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Oh, that's on packet.
No, no, no, no, no In our nextteam meeting.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, i would go to like a I mean, it might have
something to do with I'm not abig drinker So literally, a
bar's heading is like what am Idoing, you know?
But like I would go in my ownbackyard and I do like to a
gallery or a museum or somethingthat I like by myself for sure,
but anyway, so I'm, yeah, soI'm there in Sweden and I'm like
(25:25):
you know what, i don't know,let me just see, check it out
here, bumble, and see what thescene is like.
You know, let me see what'sgoing on, so you could move to.
Sweden.
Like that could happen.
I could totally move to SwedenAnd I.
I have also this mindset oflike you just never know.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You never know Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And you never know who you're going to connect with
And you know whether it's like.
I've met so many people andthis is spoiler alert going to
be a story like this.
I met so many people where it'snot a romantic connection but
it's some kind of rich with it,it was a meaningful connection
with, like another human being,and to me that's very valuable.
(26:16):
Yeah, so I, so I, and then alsoyou just never know, and maybe
we like each other enough tokeep and touch long distance and
who knows?
So, like I definitely You canmeet Milan next year, totally.
Yeah, don't tell my mom, butyes, but so I go on to it.
(26:39):
And I met a gentleman.
You know I matched with thisperson who seemed interesting in
our brief exchange that we had.
So I said I'm only here for acouple of days, if you want to,
you know.
So we said that we would meetup for-.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I have a sidebar here .
Do you think that that impliessex?
I'm only here for a couple ofdays.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
So, while I'm glad you're here, i think you're on
that.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, so I and I'm not.
You know some women.
Yeah, like you, do you boo?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
right, whatever Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
And that's great for them.
It's not what I was looking for, so I do feel like this is so
interesting, so I do.
I did feel like I needed to putit out there, like I'm here for
a couple of days, but not forthat Yeah.
Here for a couple of days, notfor that, you know.
I said that to a couple ofpeople actually, and one of them
(27:39):
said to me I think the Swedesare pretty harmless, you know, i
don't think you have to saythat And I was like that's so
interesting, it's a no 100%.
Have to say that, because thatis that's a lot of the exp-.
When I go on dates here, thatis an experience I am confronted
(28:02):
with very often on the firstdate.
So I felt like, yeah, i waslike let me put, let me
disclaimer now because I am in aforeign country.
You know, when I'm here on myhome turf at least I can it's
way more comfortable to end anight when I want it to end, but
there I don't know what's gonnahappen.
(28:23):
So I did feel like a littledisclaimer was in order, but
turns out it wasn't necessary.
I mean, i met really nicepeople, so anyway.
So I meet this one guy fordinner and it turns out he was
in recovery.
I don't know if this is animportant part of the
conversation, but because ofthat we've met for dinner
(28:45):
versus-.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, i mean it was a good fit for you, because
you're not like, drinking isn'ta priority for you.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, Right, right, and so we ended up, i think
because he was in recovery.
He was very he's in this stage-.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Of self reflection and doing some work and Love
that.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Exactly.
So our whole night wasbasically talking like that, you
know about those kinds ofthings, And it was really
fascinating.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I mean Like a really nice out night out in Sweden.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
We had a wonderful dinner.
Then we went, you know movesomewhere else for coffee and
kept talking And we were just.
We were talking like about howI believe this is going off
topic slightly, but this is whatwe were talking about at dinner
And this is part of why I liketraveling and meeting people.
When I'm traveling is because,i don't know, i kind of believe
(29:47):
a lot of things about theafterlife and if we've lived,
other lives.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I am here for this conversation.
I know you are, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
And it, but I.
But one belief that I have isthat we everybody that you
connect with in this life issomebody that you have had a
connection with in another life,maybe in a different capacity,
but I do believe our souls areconnected in whatever way, and
(30:20):
so he and I were talking aboutthat and saying, like we were
saying to each other even youand I are connected.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So in quantum mechanics we would call that
entangled particles.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Okay, Love it.
Here we are.
we're two strangers who live incompletely different parts of
the world, But we're supposed tobe here having this
conversation for some reason.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, this thing I'm gonna say is gonna be like so.
thank you, captain Obvious Don.
I think you have such a wayabout you, jesse, that just
always anticipates the good inevery person, and I think that
it serves you within the contextof this conversation, because I
think your point of attractionis I am safe, you're good, this
(31:15):
is good.
It really is so interesting,though, to be talking to you
about international travel as asingle woman and for you to just
whether you're following theguy to the ATM or, you know,
sharing the soul connection withthis person in Sweden, like it
really is something specialabout you to anticipate the good
and the people that you meet.
It's really beautiful.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Thank you.
Is it good or is it, you know,gullible?
I don't know what's thedifference.
When do you cross over?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I think at its core it is absolutely good.
Right, but anything can have ashadow expression, and so if you
take it to the place where youignore flags or you ignore, like
you said, your intuition aboutsomething, even then I don't
think.
I think that was a learning.
The ATM piece sounds like alearning opportunity for you, oh
, notice that.
Notice that I did that, but Ithink at its core it's beautiful
(32:10):
, absolutely beautiful.
Thank you Don't ignore thethings.
But you know, we talk a lot onthe pod about vibrationally
attracting things that are amatch for the vibrational place
that you are, and I think that,at its core, i think you
probably attract a lot of reallymagical experiences.
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You mentioned once well, youtold me this story once about
arriving somewhere in France inthe middle of the night and
they're not being anyone in thehotel to check you in.
And it's the middle of thenight, in the streets of France,
and but then, you know, somehow, some way, you found a phone
number that led you to thatright and the person came and
checked you in.
So it's almost like, no matterwhat situation you've been in,
(32:53):
it's worked out, which is, ithink it probably is a
reflection of your attitude andyour approach to life, and it's
awesome.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Which is also really interesting about perspective
like everything's aboutperspective because there we
were standing in the middle ofthe night on the street going,
oh my god, what are we gonna do?
I can't believe this ishappening.
Yeah, you know, and I didn'tthink of it that way until you
(33:21):
had said that, so you know thatthat I mean thank, we were
grateful that somebody showed upwho could speak French and call
the owner of the hotel for usand, you know, help us figure it
out.
But at the time we were like,really, what's gonna happen here
?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, Yeah, you were on the adventure.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, on the adventure.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
So one of the things that I also want to point out is
just how beautifully you'reliving your life.
You know, i think so many of ushave framed I'll do it, when
I'll do it, when I'll do it whenI'll do it when right.
And then you are not waitingfor the right partner to do the
things, and I understand that somuch of your travel is for work
(34:05):
, but but you're just doing thethings and you're living your
life, and you're living it withsuch a beautiful attitude, and I
love that, and I think there'sa beautiful lesson in this to
all of us, about doing the thingthat you're inspired to do,
regardless of the circumstances.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yes, and I agree with that, and even though I am
traveling for work, it's like Ikind of chose this path of work
that would allow you to do thesethings and have these
experiences.
I just went on a cruise.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I saw those pictures.
That was mind-blowing to me.
So were you like on the Virginvoyage of the Virgin?
was it a Virgin?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yes, it was a maiden voyage of this particular set of
Virgin voyages and the reasonit was a press trip.
So there were eight otherwriters on the trip I believe
was eight other writers on thetrip but basically we kind of
like did our own thing duringthe day and then we would come
back together at night fordinner.
The reason they had the trip isbecause Richard Branson was on
(35:12):
the ship, like he was gonna beon the ship.
So they're like, let's get somewriters on so they can
interview him.
So I interviewed him, i havelunch with him and we, you know,
chatted with him about why hestarted the cruise ship and and
things like that.
So, yeah, so that was reallycool, but while I was on this
ship, so we did.
(35:32):
You know, we had theopportunity to do.
You could either stay on theship if you wanted or you could
do an excursion, and so Idecided that I was gonna do an
excursion one day when we werein Honduras, and the excursion I
picked was horseback riding.
I don't remember if I told youabout it.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I saw the pictures.
You were like this is so and so, and now we're friends.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yes, right, my horse Storm Storm.
Yes, i remember, yep, yeah.
So I chose to go horsebackriding in the jungle, which I do
think is as a solo woman as asolo woman, sort of a courageous
(36:21):
or adventurous kind of thing,yes, but I, so I go, but it was
like the most incredibleexperience, so I'm sharing it
because I feel like if there's awoman out there listening to
this who would be afraid to gofor some reason, you got to just
go because I had.
I was so like moved andaffected by the experience
(36:44):
because so we went to, so theship is there at the shore and
we get on a bus and we'redriving to this ranch or
wherever, yeah, like a beachclub kind of thing, where they
had these horses.
It was on the beach, okay.
So all of the horse, all of thehorses, were rescue horses.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
So they were either abused or neglected or abandoned
during COVID, while everyonewas quarantining Right And there
was no tourist travel to havethe revenue to feed the horse,
yeah.
Okay, right.
And when these people acquiredthe horses, they did not know
that some of them were pregnant.
(37:30):
Oh my word.
So all of a sudden the horsesstarted having babies.
More horses, more horses.
So we go on this.
it was a, you know, it was aguided tour, so there were other
people that came from the shipand we are on the horses in kind
of a line.
you know, they line you up andthey just walk behind each other
(37:54):
and every now and then you haveto gallop a little, trot a
little to catch up, you know ifyour horse stops for whatever
reason.
but as we're doing this, we'regoing through the jungle, like
on all these jungle trails onthe horse, and then all the
babies are running alongside andlike in and out of the line,
their mamas with their mamas,because they couldn't, it was
(38:16):
too soon for them to beseparated from them, and it was
just such a magical experience Ihad not.
I've been on a horse before,not in many, many years, but
I've never experienced that withbabies.
you know, like feeling that,yeah, energy, their energy, and
then we come out of the jungleand we, they took us into the
(38:38):
ocean.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
In Right, you got to be on your horse in the ocean,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
On the horse in the ocean and I I literally started
crying.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Well, we just even talk about from an energetic
perspective.
so horses have this hugeelectromagnetic field to do with
their heart center and so whenwe talk about needing to
regulate emotionally or needingto get grounded, being with a
horse is literally you are intheir electrical magnetic field,
and then to be in the ocean,which is just so soothing and
(39:11):
healing, and I mean I can justimagine, right, i mean.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I do the thing.
Yeah, i definitely 100% feltall that energy and it just kind
of like overcame me and I couldhave picked any excursion.
I could have picked noexcursion.
The ship was beautiful, likethere's plenty to do on the ship
, you don't have to get off.
But so, like I'm saying, getoff the ship And also even on a
(39:40):
cruise ship and you'd go do anexcursion, you don't really know
where you're going, you don'treally know.
I mean, i would suggest thatyou do it through the crew, you
pick the excursion through thecruise and not like go off on
your own and find it.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
But there is something coming up here about
so often.
As women, i think, we're usedto outsourcing our sense of
well-being to a partner, so likeI'm safe because I have a
partner with me, for instance,or I don't have to own my own
safety because I have a partnerwith me.
And maybe you've been in amarriage where that didn't feel
(40:18):
true for you and that was one ofthe problems.
But it is so true that as women, we are so strong and so
powerful and so capable and somagical And obviously y'all hear
me say this to you week afterweek after week.
But I think when you go throughexperiences like this, where
you're traveling and you'restanding in your power and
you're tapped into it so vividly, it's like you just know I
(40:41):
don't need to outsource my powerto some dude.
It's right here, me and thishorse Storm.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Right Now.
Ok, i you know, would it benice to go back one day with a
partner to all these people.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
For sure, it's not all or nothing.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Of course, absolutely Like.
I have a joke with my friendKara, who I go on a lot of my
work trips with, and we always,you know, so like we just went
to Venice.
So we were in Milan, we tookour day trip.
This time, no, sorry, we werein Bologna.
Ok, that was a different trip.
We were in Bologna for a tileand stone trade show, and so we
(41:24):
extended, you know, extended afew days, and so one of the days
we went we took a train toVenice.
That was my first time being inVenice.
Highly recommend, it was thepictures, gorgeous, yeah,
magical place.
But you know, after we were, inPeru.
You're on the gondola with Karanot with, i was with Kara.
(41:45):
Well, here we are again, youknow, on our honeymoon, on our
honeymoon in Venice, on ourhoneymoon quality trip together,
you know.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
So I mean, I just wouldn't be authentic if I
didn't also.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
But they're still long, like you have long.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, of course I would like some.
You know I'd like to go back tosome of these places, but I'm
so happy to also just be thereon my own as well, you know.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
OK, ok.
So just to wrap us up, you haveto tell us the story of your
mom in the refrigerator.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
OK, my mom in the refrigerator, which is a story
that she does not know.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Mom, if you're listening, turn it off now.
My sister has a big mouth.
Is the moral?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
of the story.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
I think we just got you guys in trouble.
Did I just do that?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
So my sister told me at one point that she was over
at my mom's house and wasobserving that my mom was
standing at the refrigerator.
You know, the refrigeratordoors open and my mom's just
looking into the door and she'slike, oh, i'm going to be in the
refrigerator, my mom's justlooking into it, deciding.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
One might assume that she was deciding what to eat,
but it turns out that's not whatwas going on for her.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Right, Actually, you're right, That's a better
segue.
So she's standing there lookinginto the refrigerator and just
talking to herself And she justsaid out loud you know what?
at least Jesse's having a goodlife, Oh good, Well me?
then I was like oh my God, Okay.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Well, like any good Jewish mother, she wants you to
marry a good chiropractor orsomething right, Like she wants
to go there.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
She has tried so to set me up with her own
chiropractors.
I can't even.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Okay So, but I love that, right, because the truth
is you are having a good lifeAnd, yes, we can acknowledge
that there's a longing to have areally amazing partner, and we
can also acknowledge that he'sout there and the timing hasn't
lined up yet, right, yeah, butmoms, right, i hope that's true,
(44:15):
but yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I just haven't gone to the right country yet.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Perhaps I think it has to be a really magical
relationship to be able to liketop some of these magical travel
things.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
But you know what?
Can I tell you one more story?
Yes, or okay, i don't know howmuch time it has been, but so I
went on a date recently withsome okay, one of my work trips
was for many, many years ago,but I still, i could like
(44:54):
picture it today Like it's, likeit just happened.
Yesterday was for a companythat is called Cosentino.
That is a stone company.
The surfaces they make likesurface material here, so they
make like tops, maybe flooring,maybe for the wall, like
anywhere you would put a stone,Okay, so they are based in Spain
(45:21):
, and so I went on a press tripto their factory in Spain.
It was in El Maria, spain, andthey took us out to the quarry
where they get the material from, and they were putting on a
cliff, basically looking downinto this you know like valley
(45:44):
looking thing, and there are,there were like cranes that were
like carving stone out of theside of the mountain.
And then they took us back totheir factory and showed us how
it goes from that to become yourkind of.
And so ever since that day, icannot look at a countertop in
(46:05):
the same way.
So, if you know, i can't lookat a countertop without thinking
about standing there on thatmountain.
And so I, when somebody, like afriend or a family, whoever,
asks me like, hey, what do youthink you know which countertop
should I go with?
It's like you have no idea whatyou just asked me.
That is not a simple one, twoor three question.
(46:33):
And so I was on a date recentlywith somebody who kind of like
who buys condos and he renovatesthem and he rents them out,
maybe flips them or whatever,and he was talking to me about
how, and he was very sweet.
This is nothing against him oranything, but he was talking
(46:56):
about how he will pick.
You know, he just goes here orthere and picks whatever
material and he doesn't reallycare about the quality.
It just it looks good in theend.
So that's that.
And I was like he doesn't givequality of the material.
In my mind I was like this isnot going to go anywhere
Anywhere.
This is not ever going to likeunderstand each other.
(47:22):
Yeah, you know.
Yeah.
So anyway, something you justsaid, mimi, think of that.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah that you know your next relationship is going
to have to be epically in linewith this kind of magical thing
you've carved out for yourself.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
I hope so, Hopefully yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
I want you to think of that.
in the same way you havegoodwill towards all the people
you meet, i want you to offeryourself the same goodwill.
Nobody gets off the pod withoutgetting coached, i guess.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Josie, thank you so much for doing another
courageous thing by coming on apod and being with us and
sharing your stories andinspiring us with all of your
goodwill and your courage andyour adventures.
It's amazing.
And thank you for inspiring uswith your graphics and things,
all the things you do for thepod.
Truly truly, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Thank you for having me And I hope that you, you know
, i hope I'm doing people whoare listening a good service by
picking out the good, like youhave so many good, you know,
revelation, kind of epiphany,like moment.
you've given me so many ofthose kind of moments.
(48:47):
So it's, you know, it's verycathartic for me to listen to
your podcast and try to pick outwhat the good soundbites are.
So, thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah, we're a good team.
I love it.
Yes, all right, okay, loves.
Until next week.
Peace, dear Divorce Diary is apodcast by My Coach John.
You can find more atMyCoachJohncom.
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