Touch of the Tism - Part 2

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The conversation continues on this episode of Ducking Realitea’s Touch of the Tism: Part Two, where host Siobhan and her guests Danielle and Holly are joined by another familiar voice, Donna. This time, they dive even deeper into the realities of bartending in the Bay Area, sharing the chaos, the comedy, and the unwritten rules that come with life behind the bar.

From the do’s and don’ts of tipping to the frustration of string ordering, they break down the etiquette that every bar regular should know. They swap stories about handling difficult customers, the legal risks of overserving, and the strange ways military presence has shaped local bar culture. Things get even more interesting when Siobhan calls out a guest for being secretive about her ideas, Danielle and Donna share their go-to tactics for shutting down problematic customers, and a jaw-dropping story emerges about a $13,000 bar tab.

It’s a mix of humor, hard truths, and a behind-the-scenes look at an industry that’s equal parts exhilarating and exhausting. Whether you’ve worked behind the bar or just love a good bar story, this one’s worth a listen. Grab a drink, pull up a seat, and join the conversation.

Episode Transcript

Unknown (00:08):
Angry women in the Bay Area,

Danielle (00:10):
but this next podcast is going to be angry women in
the world

Unknown (00:15):
woke up this morning is going to be about bartending,
how to handle uh, part times. Ijust like, you know, I to be
fair, you can record this,hunker, um, I think my
girlfriend's coming home. I'mnot sure she's very sick right
now. I talked to my mother inlaw. She was very positive about

(00:35):
this. But to be fair, like Imight not see my partner for
another month, and it's eatingup a side, of course, but she
told me. She said, Hey, babe,you know you're you're a good
person. Come see when you can doyour thing. I don't like doing

(00:57):
my thing when she's not there,so let's just have a fun
podcast. It's not necessarilyabout we can. We can make our
first podcast a whole notherpodcast. Let's just talk about
bartending, and how does theBarton? Because there's a

(01:20):
possibility,am I not here? In six months,

Siobhan (01:38):
we'll figure it out, and we'll all be here to help
and support however we can, andwe'll get tested and see what we
can give her

Unknown (01:47):
so far as positive. But

Siobhan (01:50):
that's scary

Unknown (01:52):
again. She told me to do this tonight. I wouldn't done
if she didn't tell me, but

Siobhan (02:00):
I had no idea she was so sick. Holly, I'm sorry,

Unknown (02:04):
but a couple days,

Danielle (02:08):
well, now that you do have a support system, no,

Unknown (02:14):
guys, this is just like a few like weird, emotional

Danielle (02:17):
things. Of course, a long day, it's understandable to

Unknown (02:21):
have fun. But go have fun. Yeah,

Siobhan (02:23):
of course, I do apologize. No, don't apologize
for having her feelings. Yeah,we thank you for feeling
comfortable enough to share itwith us and to be letting us
Yeah, and letting us be here foryou. Oh, it's just a fun let's
get you another Jamison, and youcan both pee. And then we'll

Unknown (02:41):
she pees first.
Let's do this.

Siobhan (02:45):
She, like, had a lot of, okay, it was funny. Dan, the
owner the other day, was like,Oh, I like your he's like, Oh,
what's that sweatshirt? And Iwas like,

Danielle (02:54):
I actually, I got this, you and I got one, yeah.
City council

Unknown (02:57):
meeting, alright, alright. So back to back to
reality. So we're going to talkabout fucking bar etiquette, bar
history of the place that welive in, Bay Area, or at least

Siobhan (03:13):
other little spice in there from Boston,

Danielle (03:16):
East Bay and San Francisco. I got a little loose
guys.

Unknown (03:22):
I thought I was in a dungeon myself. I am from the
East Bay, originally. All thatphoto, especially from a small
island called Alameda Siobhan isfrom Danielle. Do

Danielle (03:42):
you even know where I'm from? I am from the East
Bay. Oh, I

Unknown (03:47):
thought you talking so, whatever. But even though, like,
we consider it to be like a BayArea etiquette, it's, it's kind
of a national general etiquette,you know, like you order all at
once. Yeah, idiot

Danielle (04:02):
string ordering bullshit. Like, we don't
remember things you never ask, Idon't I'll ask you, right? You

Unknown (04:07):
never ask for it strong, because, guess what? You
get less fucking ice. Like we're

Siobhan (04:12):
just less. Oh, I love that. That's my favorite
question. When I make it strong,I'm like, do you want to double?
And you're like, oh no. Wellthen you

Unknown (04:22):
want it strong, I'm going to pee in your drinks.
Extra flavor. All bartenders,they, even though they were
dreamed, we have a flap. So youwant it strong?
Whatwe're going to Yeah, interjeans.
You don't know this,

Siobhan (04:41):
but I don't have it. I don't know about it.

Danielle (04:44):
I missed that meeting.
I

Unknown (04:46):
didn't learn about the peeing and people last weekend.
It's

Danielle (04:49):
fair, yeah.

Unknown (04:52):
So I have a friend named Jacob. I love him. He's
actually completely sober now.
We call him babe Jake. He's gota huge beard. I. Yeah, he, he's
actually graduating for theMaritime Academy right now in
Vallejo. He's smart guy,engineer,

Siobhan (05:13):
Ducking reality.

Unknown (05:17):
You know who he is, but you know, he's actually my
birthday buddy. We, we are ayear in like, two hours apart. I
love him. He's my favorite. Buthe, he was on the same path I
was just drinking every day,working the same minimum,
minimal job. He decided to takethe route to become something

(05:38):
kind of important. The companyhe worked in, he's doing it, and
then he went to school, and he'sbeen to Japan, Korea. Wow,
that's amazing. I thinkIndonesia. I don't know, he's
just doing a thing, but, like,he was a raging alcoholic. I
got, like, I was slash, amgetting better?

Danielle (05:57):
I wouldn't, I wouldn't put you on the Raju for a
second, because I wouldn't putyou in as far as like that. You
don't.

Unknown (06:06):
I never crashed the car, but I never like

Siobhan (06:10):
we've all had our I'm glad that we know where the
scale is, though slippery

Danielle (06:14):
slope when we're talking about bartenders and the
way that we drink, because it'snot how the average person does,
either. But I just want to, asyour friend, be like, I wouldn't
put you in that. No, thank you.
I'm very we still drink, but itis, is much more contained than
any of us did on our youngeryears. I'm very

Unknown (06:31):
proud of him. I love him like I consider him a
brother. I will never say like,oh, you know this one brother,
because you guys all know Al,that's my brother, but he's a
brother. He will. I could callhim right now and be like, I'm
coming to get you, yeah, even ifhe was wasted, he's not waste
anymore. But, um, he was a partof that lifestyle that we lived

(06:52):
in that was like, Oh, this baris our bar. It's cheers. But
also, like, half of his drinkfor free, for no reason, but he
was, he was one of the theperpetrators where I'm like,
Hey, Jake, what do you want?
He'd be like, let me get thisbeer. Am i Great? And I put it
down in front of him, okay? Andthat, can I get this to him?
Like,

Siobhan (07:14):
Jacob, oh, string ordering. Order all at

Unknown (07:17):
once. When he caught on how mad I was, he would do it on
purpose. Like, I was like,That's why Jake can't order for
me

Danielle (07:26):
anymore. Ordering as a particular pet peeve of Follies.
I

Siobhan (07:30):
had a woman the other day that did it, and I was like,
yeah. Like, I was like, you haveto be almost 50. Lady like, you
have to know how to order in abar. And, like, she asked, she's
like, Can I have a beer? And Iwas like, Absolutely, what would
you like? And she was like, Idon't know, just a beer. And I
was like, Can you give me aflavor, a kind of something
like, and some it's like, orpeople will be like, I don't

(07:51):
know what I want. What do Iwant? I don't know you. Why
would I know what you want? What

Danielle (07:55):
do I want to drink? I don't know what the fuck do you
want to drink. You

Unknown (07:59):
guys appreciate this.
So, like, not last money, butlike, two months ago, slow as
fuck, whatever. I'm just doingmy regular orders, and the guy
walks in, IPA, great. I'm tryingto ask him, What do you want?
So, yeah, fucking put, like,numbers through and from, oh,
it's too floral. I'm like, weshould IPA, he goes to floral.
I'm like, well, then what do youwant? He said, What do you got?

(08:22):
I'm like,

Danielle (08:25):
what the menu? Jesus H, tap dancing. Christ Yeah, no,
I had that happen. This isn't afucking movie. No, right? No.
It's wild to me. The amount ofpeople like you are a grown ass
adult. I know you know how to atleast marginally read. I know we
we did discuss it. We have avery low literacy rate in the
United States. However, basicmotherfucking English, if you

(08:48):
have a driver's license, youshould be able to read a beer
menu. Friend. It's very simple,and it even says, especially
fireside. It says order bynumber. My favorite thing is
when someone said, oh, I wantthis one cool. Which one is it?
Because these rotate constantly,right? I don't know, and I don't
fucking eyes at the back of myhead, bro, which one do you
want? You're 45 Yeah. Like, justknow what you want. Or if you

(09:10):
come in you ask me for a fuckingchorus, like, well, I don't have
that, but if you're not going totake a fucking PBR, oh, I don't
want that. That's not right,sir, ma'am, I don't You're too
classy for PBR, but you really,really love your like, Heineken,
like, off, oh, my god, I love it

Unknown (09:28):
when so this, this didn't happen at fireside news
before I knew what a sovereigncitizen was, no Lord, like, 2018

Danielle (09:36):
19. Those are fun. I was

Unknown (09:39):
like, oh, like, this dude walked in with his son,
fucking asked his son for an ID.
He shows me California ID. I'mlike, Oh, happy birthday. I'm
like, well, since we're at itcircumnucid, I would have one.
Oh, why not? Well, you know,this is whatever the fuck.
Sheila's the 51st

Danielle (10:02):
state of Jefferson.

Unknown (10:03):
He's like, I'm not, I'm not a regulated citizen. I said,
Sir, do you have any form of whoyou are? I do not. Okay. Can't
serve your son is welcome tostay. Yeah. He's like, Well,
clearly I'm 50. I'm 57, eight, Idon't know. And I go, Well, you
kind of asked me to ID you andyou don't have an ID. He's like,

(10:27):
Well, I I just like, You knowwhat? Dude I called, I called
Al. I was just like, dude, whatdo I do with this guy? Kick him
out. Yeah, I kicked him out. Andhe's like, I'm gonna make a
string. Oh. Al, came down. He'slike, Bro. He's like, how the
you were growing ass, man, nothaving IDs. Like, well, IDs are

(10:48):
regulated by the government. I'mnot regulated by the government.
And I was like, so how? How doyou own a house? How do you have
a car? He's like, Well, I boughtthis from a friend. I it's

Danielle (11:04):
well, and this is to be clear, like we're drunk,
everybody, no, it's okay. I'm alittle buzz too. We good. I'm
just saying to to clarify foranybody who is not of the
industry, or hasn't worked inthe industry, I don't know in
the last 15 fucking years, wedon't want to be cops. We don't,
I don't, I don't. I don't give ashit really whether or not you

(11:24):
regularly have your ID or yourlicense on you. But when you
come into the establishment thatI work at that at least in the
in the state of California, Godforbid, ABC comes in on a
Saturday night. Doesn't matterhow fucking old you are, if you
don't have an identify of anylike a physical ID, we the
bartenders get individuallyfined, let alone $1,000 it's

(11:46):
gone up. It's gone way the up.
Because it used to be, well, italso depends on if you're
serving a somebody under the ageof 21 or not. But it used to be
like eight to 10 grand,depending on what it was. Yeah,
it's more now, well, you justsaid 13. And I was like, Oh, was
it gonna but for a minor, likethat makes for a minor, it used
to be like, 10 grand, but like,shivering, all cozy, but no

(12:08):
like, but we individually getcharged, let alone the fact that
then the business can have theirtheir liquor license suspended
for at least a month. And thenthere's other factors that
people if. And now I, and Ithink this part of the law is
bullshit, because I'm not goingto take somebody's fucking keys.
I don't know you. I don't knowif you drove here or not,

(12:29):
whatever, but if they go and getinto an accident, and God
forbid, you know, damage,property, kill somebody,
whatever, we are somehow liable.
We could be found guilty of amanslaughter for serving a
person right and went and didthis shit.

Unknown (12:46):
It's our saints, but not like accidental or like
incidental manslaughter,whatever the fuck it is, but
incidental, but yeah, inCalifornia, like the bar, the
bartenders are not supposed tobe held accountable, but you
will get a fine for overserving. That's what was like
two years ago. I don't

Danielle (13:03):
know. Well, I haven't I guess that's a refresh the RBS
test thing. But that was yearsago. I remember working at Dave
and Busters, of all places,every two weeks we had to take a
test of responsible alcoholservice test, because you had to
know how much alcohol, like aLong Island is like four drinks,
right? Like, we have an ounce ofeach of these alcohols. So you

(13:24):
had to know how much was in it,because you have to then monitor
how much you're certain youstart to be two Long Islands.
That's a ton of booze,

Unknown (13:31):
yeah? And this is also, is exhausting as a bartender is
like, you can monitor somebodywalking in, they seem fine. You
don't know where they've comefrom. Yeah, you don't know how
much they've had.

Danielle (13:43):
I don't know what drugs you might be on. You know,
there's all sorts of shit. AndI'm not gonna assume that
somebody's, did you take your,you know, your antidepressants
today? That's not my fuckingbusiness.

Unknown (13:52):
I feel like, I feel like our bar is like, kind of
like the end of the road,because it's like, you'll see
people like, I'm not gonna sharethat guy like, up the street,
or, like, you see him comingdown from Wally's, and so you,
like, you put your foot down,right? That's Hey guy, you can
have maybe this shot of Jaeger,and you're done. And the next
thing you know, I'll still putwater in front of you at the

(14:14):
same time. They're like,swinging at people. And then the
cops come. Well, they haven'tcome like, recently, but
yourself, they're like, What doyou serve them? Like, I serve
them this, and the cops alwaysaccuse you, like, right? Are you
shooting? Oh, sermon, yeah. Hey,sir, I have cameras. Yeah, you
can check. And they're

Danielle (14:30):
like, they came in hot. Bro, I did this one thing,
this one because it didn't seemthat bad. Well,

Unknown (14:35):
why did? Why? Why would you serve them? Came in hot?
Like, first of all, people canmanage themselves up until a
certain point, right? They

Danielle (14:42):
made this last one that sent him, and I didn't
know, and they're like,

Unknown (14:46):
well, we can, we can bar your bar, right? You bar 10,
sir, no, I'm a cop. Oh, so youjust hit women. And then they
get mad when you

Danielle (14:58):
say you just shoot black people. Yeah, oh,

Unknown (15:01):
and then now you're the bad guy, but, like, I was
originally bad guy, right? Yeah,it's just, it's crazy in the bar
industry, because, like, there'sso many people that can switch
on a dime. I had a co workerwho, you know, she get off
shift, and you're like, great.
Like, here is your Manhattan.

(15:24):
Should be sitting there askingfor music. Like, completely
sober. Hey, do you want food?
You want food? No, no, we'regood. Then her boyfriend would
show up and, like, Wouldn't evenserve her. Just serve her
boyfriend. And then, like, 1520,minutes later, she's like, No
one loves me. I'm so alone. Ilook at him like, man, like,
bro, what did you just do? He'slike, Oh, this is just how she

(15:49):
just happens sometimes,like, number one, she works
here, yeah.

Danielle (15:55):
Oh, that's never a good look, never a good look. I
was a we've all done our shit atplaces we've worked though. I
mean, I would be lying if Isaid, I mean, been very drunk at
places that I've worked, or evenbefore I worked there. I mean, I
was a regular at fireside beforeI worked there for like, a
fucking year. I got kicked outof my own bar twice,

Unknown (16:15):
but I didn't work there yet, so I was shit house. Hello.
Oh,

Siobhan (16:22):
oh, how come I I can't, do you have popcorn? Call me
back because I didn't give methe thing to open the I don't

Unknown (16:29):
have popcorn. Alright?
Anyway, so I was, I was notwaiting for the fourth that's
great. I was not working at theplace that I was working at. I
was just a regular, and I hadmentioned to another regular
that lost my ID, but they hadknown me. So the bartender, who,
yeah, was like, filling me out.
Was like, you had to get out.
She's like, Fine, I'll leave.

(16:52):
But my brother was still themanager at the time. She was
like, What are you doing? I waslike, I'm going home. He's like,
to where I was like, mom'shouse, man. And he was like, get
in the bar. I was like, No, soand so will not name names. I
said, she can't. Said, I can'tcome in. He walked in. He's
like, the fucking say she can'tcome in. And I was like,

(17:14):
actually, whoops. But also thisbartender 10, like Donna, she
would like, take it a $20 billfor a $7 drink and give you
change for $10 she was a hotmess because

Siobhan (17:30):
she was like, Thief, or, yeah, I was gonna

Danielle (17:32):
say because she was stupider, because she was a
thief. That sounds like somethief, stupid. No, she was no,
she probably played stupid. Butthen was like, I didn't know
your change also, again, for therecord, not every bartender, my
job is not worth a coupledollars and tips. If somebody's
afraid about No, I want to leavemy top because you know what's
speaking to bar advocate. Youknow what's annoying as fuck. If

(17:54):
you know what you're going to bethere for a few hours, stop
closing out your goddamn tabads. Hey, the paperwork. It's an
annoying it doesn't mean that Iwanted to. I don't give a about
your credit card number. I'm notgonna sit there. I'm too busy. I
got 20 other things to do thencopy your shit.

Unknown (18:08):
Danielle, can we talk about who we want to talk about
who does this? Oh, can'tremember her name.

Danielle (18:14):
It's okay. It's not important. But I feel like we
describe this person.

Unknown (18:17):
She closes out her card when she's in cash. Every
transaction, I don't care if shetips $3 fuck up. I don't care

Siobhan (18:29):
if she tips I don't care if she knew the bitch she
was talking about. I don't

Unknown (18:33):
care if she tips $3 for transaction. Just leave it open
if you know you're gonna

Danielle (18:38):
have because now I'm gonna get taxed on that money,
right?

Siobhan (18:41):
Okay? Like there's a fee for it, for the bar,
there's, like, a Yeah,

Unknown (18:46):
card. I'm like, then bring cash, right? Now, she's
bringing cash, and she's like,Oh, why are you charging me
differently? I'm like, becauseyou came during happy hour, and
now you're coming when it's nothappy,
right? Yeah, some people's kids,this is why you don't have sex.
I You all know who I'm talkingabout, and she's not able. I
feel

Danielle (19:06):
like I know you're talking about, what is the drink
order? No, tell me the drink.

Siobhan (19:11):
Yeah, I'm not sure.

Danielle (19:14):
Yep, I knew I knew beforehand, but I figured

Unknown (19:19):
that because

Danielle (19:20):
No, no, because when I'm not going to tell her about
this podcast, two, two, it's,let's go to the thing where
people are like, Oh well, mybartender, not all female
bartenders want to go home withyou. We don't want your number.
We might be flirting with you,but doesn't even want to fuck

(19:41):
you, help me pay my bills andthank yous don't do that. Please

Siobhan (19:51):
stop complimenting me and then not to tell

Danielle (19:53):
me that I'm pretty when I smile more. Okay,

Unknown (19:58):
Siobhan, she just take.
Go,

Danielle (20:00):
because I will give you

Unknown (20:02):
and not, yeah, that's true. Because guess what to
happen? You're going to see mybutthole.

Danielle (20:11):
You know, Holly's getting for Christmas.

Unknown (20:15):
Take a picture, because, I mean, the other day,
I had my god brothers coat onand my beanie on. You're like,
you're a quintessential, like,California lesbian. I'm like,
well, first of all, I'm aMidwest I'm a Midwest mom 10,

(20:36):
like, any dude in one because,like, that's the difference the
way I dress, like, in thewinter, we're off on some other
tables. Like, no dude in, like,Wisconsin, Milwaukee, be like,
you're gay. Like, oh no, no, youjust look yeah. But also, to be
fair, I am gay, but I'm alsocold. So, like, it's very cold

(20:59):
out here. Like, we have, we havethe ocean air in our Oh, my God,
it gets colder here. I'm sorry,it gets colder here, like,
different type of cold, yeah,because it cleans your bones.
And my ex was like, when I wentto, like, Michigan, she's like,
Oh,

Danielle (21:15):
what happened was, she's like, You can't

Unknown (21:17):
handle a cold out here.
I'm like, No, I can't, becausethere's a literal giant lake
next to you, and I have the baythat has tropic winds coming. I
get that, but like, I was infucking Indiana, and I was just
like, why

Danielle (21:30):
were you in Indiana?
Because I thought I lovesomeone. Oh, okay, that's fair.
Yeah, I've been places forpeople. Don't move there, don't
but here's my here's myunsolicited advice. I'm gonna
show my bottle. Oh, my God, shereally wants to show her butt
hole. We'll make that happen atsome point. I'm not against it.
You do what you views you. It'sactually like, it's pretty, it's
pretty. I feel

Unknown (21:53):
like if we were like crazy, I

Siobhan (22:15):
Yeah, I'm a

Unknown (22:17):
Christian, if you alright.

Danielle (22:21):
Y'all, yeah, Donna's videos like my older sister on
your phone.

Siobhan (22:29):
Alright, y'all you, y'all have met Donna too before
Donna has been on it was, that

Danielle (22:34):
was a great episode. I love that episode.

Siobhan (22:37):
This is our cheers, bitches, I think. Yeah, yes,

Unknown (22:46):
I love your big ass.
Siobhan, we went off on tangent.
We're talking about baretiquette. We're talking about
bar regulars and how you

Danielle (22:54):
went off onto some other shit, and

Unknown (22:56):
if you don't act right, and then you're fucking stupid.
Donna, first of all is the queenof getting called out if you do
not act right. And I love it,she says straight up, turn your
fucking phone up out of here.
Stop banging on the on the bar.
Oh

Donna (23:13):
yeah, it's annoying. I don't care if you're in a band.
Oh, you were there on Wednesdaythat we have open mic night. Why
are we there on Wednesday?
Because I work Wednesdays notinto open mic night. Yeah. But
they get there

Danielle (23:32):
because they don't seem they don't know what time

Donna (23:35):
they start tuning. They start, oh, I don't know the
water's right there, exactlyback of the tank? I tell them,
so this guy, he's talking to, Idon't know some people, and
Sarah's back in the back, andI'm and I'm just, I'm off, but

(23:56):
I'm making food for her. And I'mlike, This guy's fucking I got
scorpions or some shit on in thebackground, right? Because they
haven't started their crap musicyet. And so I'm sorry, not
everyone's crap, like 80% Yeah.
I mean, it's like, oh my god,like a bag of cats being and so
this guy's tuning his guitarright at the bar, talking to

(24:20):
talking to these people. And Igo, What the fuck is that,
Sarah? What the fuck is thatshe's like, I believe. I go, who
is doing that? Right? Reallyloud. She just looks at me
because she's not gonna saynothing. And I go, get the fuck
out of here. I came around like,I'm all you are you who's tuning
their guitar? We got music onback here? No, it was my other
guy who still tunes guitar, gothis own picks out of credit

(24:44):
cards. And I was like, stopmaking my pizza. I had the
freaking like the brush in myhand, right? And I was all,
dude, move Get the fuck out ofhere. Move on. And he was like.
I'm tuning my guitar. I go, Iknow, and we're listening to
music. So get the fuck away fromthe bar where you're turning
your shit was like, but I'mchoosing. I go, is the music off

(25:07):
here yet? Get the fuck outside.
Go away from the bar. AndSarah's just looking at me, and
she's just like, I love you. Getthe out of here, dude, like, go
tune your guitar in the parkinglot across the street in your

(25:28):
balloon shop. There's plenty ofroom in that parking lot singing
too, you know, okay, means

Danielle (25:38):
friend, okay. Means friend. Okay, before

Unknown (25:43):
you got here, we're talking about bar etiquette. My
My big thing, and I was talkingabout was how I don't like how
people walk up like your friend,and then they order one or two
drinks in time, and then they'refriends walk up. So I know, I
think I know how. Okay. So,like, Alright, let me, let me

(26:05):
what you want. Let me do Donna.
Let me do. Donna, alright. So,like, five people walk in. So
five people walk in, oh, God.
She goes, Hey, hon. How are you?
Hey, hon. And they go, let meget, like, a spicy Margarita and
like a cider. She goes, Great,anything else? And they go, mm,
hold on a second. And then like,six people walk up, and they go,

(26:26):
Oh, what do you have on tap?
Nana goes, Look at the goddamnmen, order by number. And then
they go, Okay, well, can I getnumber three? No, it goes, and,
and. And and then they go, Okay,number seven. And she goes, what

(26:47):
else? Oh, can I get a they go,Okay, this Manhattan. And she
goes, and, oh, can I also get,like, this, Margaret, spicy. No
room. She goes, what else? Andthey go,

(27:07):
can I go? I can walk and chewgum. Give me another drink
order.

Danielle (27:11):
I could do more

Unknown (27:12):
than one drink at a time. And they go, we're just
going to have another two vodkasodas.

Donna (27:18):
Yeah, you know, like, if you walk up like a normal person
and you're like, Oh, we got acouple people, but you know,
we're going to have we're gonnahave, we're gonna have this. And
then I go, order by number, lookat them order by number, because
I don't know what's up there,right? And then they'll go, I'll
have the old English, whatever.
I don't know. Oh, I'm like, I'mjust saying

Unknown (27:39):
big. Like, dude, she'd love that shit. We
could get rid of that. Oh, myGod, sell it for $2 a
pack. No, but like, I'll havethe old mail, whatever they're
having. I just told you. I said,so Okay, so I gotta know we know

(28:03):
each other for like about a yearnow. Siobhan and I've shown for
like three years now. Donna sawme. We know each other for four
years. We got it four years,a decade or two, right? But,

(28:25):
yeah, I love it like so I had acouple people who taught me how
to bartend, taught me how toorder. So I had Donna. I had
Boris. You guys, maybe no,Boris, not really. No. I feel
like I

Danielle (28:35):
wouldn't remember the name

Unknown (28:38):
Boris, my brother, Al, my brother. Al, my brother was
like, I patches. This is whenRocky. This is when last weekend
had happy hour or whatever. Sowell drink for $2

Danielle (28:55):
sounds like a fucking caster on a Friday. This was
2009 2010

Unknown (29:02):
I was 20. Oh,

Siobhan (29:09):
that's right,

Unknown (29:13):
this is when I didn't really understand how things
work. I was I was fresh, I wasnew, and I had ordered like,
five well drinks. Didn't reallyknow what was going on. My dad
taught me well, so I left like,three bucks, okay, and five
drinks. Donna looked at me andsaid, she says, Oh, you got I

(29:35):
was like, Iwas so sorry. Oh, my God, I'm so
sorry. You like coming here,right?

Danielle (29:44):
Sure, prompt service in case

Unknown (29:47):
you do, at least sell a drink. If you like meat anymore,
not to learn, you gotta deal atthe time when it was
appropriate. You know, five,five bucks was like 20% but no,
it's like, it's. $30 it's 20%but like Donna was like, you
want to come back here, youbetter act right?

Siobhan (30:06):
Well, I mean, it's

Donna (30:06):
like people act like it's, they want to come there
and they want, they want to be aregular. And then you like that
Demetri, you freaking? You knowthat Dimitri? No, no. Dimitri
was really bad for he was a richRussian tennis player. Dad's

Unknown (30:21):
black card, yes, his black card.
And he would, oh, and

Danielle (30:24):
when he came away with the black car, you better. Oh,
yeah, okay,

Donna (30:28):
told him, and he'd stand at the bar. And because he I
call him leg day. I don't evencall him Dimitri, because I
can't see and he'll stand there,like, oh, buff, like, and I'll
go, what? How do you even standup with those legs you need. Leg
day, I was more buff than him,dude, more buff than his leg,

(30:52):
and so I call him leg day. Hedidn't like it, but she answered
to

Unknown (31:00):
it, crazy. Girl wasn't Oh, yeah, oh, Pamela. I'm like
Pamela. How many names Didyou ever know she's a whore?
Okay? I apologize, but you knowyou're happy anyway.

Danielle (31:19):
Ever funny?

Unknown (31:22):
My brother took her card and I didn't I didn't know
my brother took her card. Sothis is last weekend. So my
brother took a card and she waslike, hey, I want to close out.
And I was like, What's yourname? She's like, Jamala. And I
was like, Pam, ma'am. And shewas like, jamblin. I'm like,
Pamela.

Danielle (31:39):
And she was like, sit her so dirty.

Unknown (31:57):
First and only thing is a bartender not ordering in.
Don't string

Danielle (32:01):
order, remember your name, or don't be a shitty
tipper. That

Unknown (32:05):
second annoying thing is a bartender, people
don't ask. We

Danielle (32:12):
obviously know that, yeah, when you don't ask
yourself and I say hello and youfucking ignore me, walk towards
the back, oh, I will bust youout when you come back out,
especially if you ain'tdrinking. Owe

Siobhan (32:24):
me $1 like, Hey, I just have Yes,

Unknown (32:27):
great. Show me dollar.
If you just ask Yeah, show meand acknowledge especially thank
you. No offense, no offense. Butin my culture, in Danielle
culture, tipping is like almostvoodoo. It's like, why would I
why? Would I tip you to do yourjob?

Siobhan (32:43):
I was gonna say, I think Danielle does not want to
be in your culture,

Unknown (32:52):
like black folks, no different culture.
Don't different culture. I knowthe two

Danielle (33:08):
white ladies are like, Oh my god. Okay, so I'm just
gonna so there is something tobe said. Also don't, don't
malign voodoo like that, becausethat's a whole other thing. Is
what you meant to say, Okay,fine, however, tipping, so the

(33:29):
history of tipping is the factthat it started after the Civil
War because they want to paypeople very little money, and
then you had to depend ongratuities. That being said,
this is the structure that wehave here, and a none of us want
to work for free. I plan ongoing out. I'm just, I'm saying
this to the listeners, if youplan on going out, be prepared
to factor your tip into what thefuck you were spending if you
were going somewhere for aservice, because we were

(33:50):
providing experience, we wereproviding something that you
clearly don't want to or can'tdo at home. And so that's the
whole point of it, right? Andthat's why we do what we do.
That's why a lot of people likeI was I loved what I was doing
prior, because now I'm back tofully bartending. But my last
episode, I wasn't doing control.
That's for another episode, butit's it is great money. If you
do it right and you're good atit, you are right, but you

(34:13):
should do it right. But no, Iknow what you're saying. There
have definitely been to get toyour point. Sorry, I have worked
in places. I used to work at theOlive Garden at fucking
Southland mall, you know, yeah,probably take a whole bread
basket, I know,

Unknown (34:31):
or get tipped in less than quarters, because

Danielle (34:33):
I'm speaking of going after somebody who didn't pay a
tip. But I still do this now,because I don't care. Like, I've
gone, we've all seen waiting,right? If you haven't watched
the fucking movie, I absolutelydid what Justin Long did in that
movie. I've gone after peoplehave been like, Oh, so you, you
clearly need this more than Ido. Like, I don't want your
fucking penny. I did that. I gotcalled out for it. Yeah, I don't

(34:55):
give a shit. Like, I don't work.
Like, I said, I don't work forfree, and I. At it actually more
recently. This was maybe likefive or six months ago, but it
was a fireside. It was aSaturday night, and these people
came in on the first round, andthey were all over, the age of
50, clearly, like, they're notyoung folks, young folks. They
might give a little whatever,but I will still say something

(35:16):
to like, acknowledge, like, youneed to be better. Next time you
come back, I'm gonna teach you,and you're gonna learn, and I'll
be I'll do it in a good waywhere I'm not gonna scare you
off, or maybe, like allbartenders are assholes. But
like these fucking people, thefirst round they ordered, they
ordered good whiskey. They were,you know, whatever, your first
round for four people is almost$100 wanted to hand me, like,
250s and I was like, Well, it'sactually, it's this much. Oh,

(35:39):
well, we'll start a tab. I said,Okay, we'll leave the tab open
whatever. Order another round. Ididn't see when they closed out.
They closed out with the otherbartender who was working, and
neither of us had looked at theactual I saw it because she just
didn't. She set it down and Ididn't see it. And the math was
correct. The tip was absolutedog shit. It was I still
remember it, because it was sobad. Their tab was $183 and with
the math, it came out to, like,197 and some change what? And I

(36:05):
was like, exactly. So I went,and I was like, well, they still
here. And we took that fuckingreceipt, and I came from behind
the party, but I found him. Isaid, was there a problem with
the service? Oh, good for you.
Oh, well, no. Well, then I wouldexpect you know that you would
know if you could pay almost$200 No, at that point it should

(36:25):
be like $30 yeah, if anybody'swondering But $5 for every 20
you're spending. But some peopleare like, $1

Siobhan (36:33):
a drink. No, like people say $1 a drink, still and
like, it's $2 like inflation,like every doing that, they pay
more for everything else. Why dothey think that spending if you
are in your 50s and you've beengiving $1 to your bartender per
drink, then you don't like yourI

Unknown (36:55):
should be allowed to take him out back
all day long, like gettingpregnant the way you're going to
do you'regonna do, I will personally go
Dragons eat two ultimateI know. So I got hired as far as

(37:17):
the camera because my dad wasfriends with the owners and he
the owners, and Peter is

Siobhan (37:25):
that high? Oh, I did. I mean

Danielle (37:28):
they Cannabis Club now they're

Unknown (37:31):
like my aunt, my uncle does people. I love him to
death. Peter like he's seriouslylike an uncle to me. He always
took care of me, even though hewas like a crazy German Gordon
Ramsay, whip my ass in theshape. Like I can run a kitchen.
Like nobody's business with him,but like him take a proper
order.

Danielle (37:49):
Worst martender ever.
She's not a shirt that said

Unknown (37:52):
it. I got hired back because of the recession all
that shit, but like, Cindybrought me back. She's like, I
can't bring him back as aserver, but I'll bring you back
as a hostess. And I had somereally nice servers, no Tara and

(38:14):
and Sandra. They're all

Danielle (38:16):
like, really good lives

Unknown (38:20):
in Germany. Oh, okay, but like one evening, one
Sunday, because I work Sunday,like they had a shitty table,
and I was like, you know, what?
If I could do something for you,I'll do something for you.
Because they, they would tip mebeyond the 10% of whatever it
was. They would tip me like 25%so I would walk like 75 bucks as
a host, Ithink we all tip according to,

(38:41):
like, we tip big. Butthis one night, this table d6
it's like, when you walk intospiders comics, like the first
table inside the like, like theBeer Hall, yeah, and like,
they're being a to Sandra. Andshe's like, I can't stand these
people. Well, she's like, I amGerman. I'm speaking German. I'm
like, do you want to speakGerman? She's like, No, you're

(39:02):
German shit. I'm like, exactly,but they're being shit to her.
So, like, I was like, Hey, howabout if I go clear these
tables? She goes, if youwouldn't mind? She's like, I
can't stand them. So I walkedover cleared tables and I just

Danielle (39:25):
Oh, mess with your food or your dress,

Unknown (39:28):
dude, like they just standing there talking to
yourself. I was like, I wascutting the tables. I even
looked like I made the eyecontact. What?
Made contact a little bit.

Siobhan (39:51):
Hey, they want their truck

Unknown (39:56):
right away. What did you do? I was like nothing. I.
Yeah. And she was like, she'slike, this, this is the root
tables. Like, they're not comingback. Her boyfriend of time was
this tall ass, black dude namedJoe, and like, six from center.
He's like, she's like, kind ofdriven by the table that, yeah,
I farted. Oh, you can't do that.
I'm like, no, these people like,you don't treat people like

(40:19):
shit. I don't care if you'rewaiting on them. And I was like,
19, he's like, You can't do that

Danielle (40:28):
natural bodily function. It happened

Unknown (40:31):
to admit to it, they weren't coming back. Maybe they
did comeback at the same time, right?

Danielle (40:39):
Don't be an asshole like

Unknown (40:43):
everybody who's listening this podcast needs to
know is nobody's your fuckingslave. Everybody is doing
something and the kindness ofthe heart, regardless of get
paid or not. So if you want torun them like a dog, and I find
out about it, you're going tosmell my fucking and I don't
care about it, because you'renot going to know it was me,
because you don't know what Ilook like. And guess what, when

(41:04):
you smell it, when you smellreally sad spinach and carrots,
so

Siobhan (41:10):
specific,

Unknown (41:13):
I'm also your pictures.
I'm a health nut.
I'm a health nut. I had a lot ofcorn nuts.
I don't get like, the way theRoman Empire worked, like, yes,
but slaves still got vacations.
They still got where didthey get? Did they go to the

(41:36):
arenaor what? So I don't know slaves
or slaves in the Roman Empire,but slaves were allowed to leave
the premises, go to thebathroom, no as long as they
came back, they could go, theycould go the market,

(41:57):
okay, chores,but they could go like they
really live among they coulddrink. They could get drunk.
They could horse, as long asthey came back to their house of
whatever calls seem, or

Donna (42:11):
if they had nice people that, but he'd say, own them.
But that's what I watched, Houseof dragons. Did

Unknown (42:19):
you watch Rome? Did you watch anyways? I feel

Danielle (42:25):
like Barton is like the second oldest professional.
You know, they talk about like,I feel like it is

Unknown (42:33):
fancier version of process.

Danielle (42:36):
We do flirt for tips.

Unknown (42:38):
I do not

Siobhan (42:41):
money. I made. Some people are rid of that, though,
I would say on this side of thetable, we probably flirt more.

Danielle (42:49):
Some guys like, when you're mean to them, but

Donna (42:51):
I mean, I'm just me, like, I'm just me, but I'm
fucking but

Siobhan (42:59):
see me be being as fuck.

Unknown (43:02):
Yeah. A,

Donna (43:06):
in a in a mean in a fucking you and you're going to
respect me, yeah, and you'regoing to come back again. And I
don't care if your friends don'tlike me, because you like me,
and pretty soon all your friendswill like me too. Douche. He's
an old man who writes stories?
Oh,

Danielle (43:23):
wait, I know exactly who this guy is, because I know
that he'll bring, he would bringBen like, like, packets of
stories

Unknown (43:32):
to come back on our etiquette. This motherfucker
thought that because he was 85years old from New York City and
made it his way across thecountry, he could talk to me
because he was educated.
My favorite, the people whothink we're first of all, first
of all, yes, he was educated.
But his cousin won the Nobel,the Nobel Peace Prize. So he

(43:53):
came in and he said, so you

Siobhan (44:00):
got the left every day,

Danielle (44:02):
alright? So let me press the story, and I'm going

Unknown (44:05):
to use that one. So Sandy decided to not, like,
replenish the neat cups, neatYeah. And so then he goes, Oh,

Danielle (44:16):
I was there this day.
That was amazing. It's

Unknown (44:20):
great. And I was like, he he was like, Hey, let me get
this neat. I'm like, I only havethese cups to offer you. And you
just like, Okay, well, I want itin this glass. I'm like, if you
want this drink, it's so insteadof it being in like a tiny
bucket glass, it was in a doublebucket glass. Put it from me. He

(44:41):
was like, what the sounds like?
It's what I can offer you. Sohe, like, takes his receipt. He
did tip me.

Danielle (44:47):
I didn't see, I didn't see the initial part of this.
This

Unknown (44:50):
was like, two or three weeks or about a month ago,
yeah. So he writes this wholenote to Sandy. It's completely
illegible. Oh, yeah, yeah. Andhe was. Like, Hey, give this a
standing I'm like, no. So Ithrew it away. And I was like,
whatever. This is the end of it.
And then he comes in a coupleweeks later, Terry May is like,
we're in the back. Daniellecomes in to, like, just Sean
boss. My balls, because that'sfun. And so he comes in, and

(45:14):
he's like, six extra Darren. Andhe's like, this, this is the
worst bartender in Alameda. AndDarren's like, somebody said
that. And Aaron's like, Okay,well, Darren leader, he's like,
Oh, that's your opinion. And soI was like, what do you what the

(45:35):
fuck do you want? And he's like,I'm gonna get a beer because
that's all you know how to pour,yeah. And I was like, great,
whatever. So I put the boardbeer in front of him, and then
he's my number. He like, looksat Darren. He's like, this is
the only thing she can do,right? She's the worst bartender
ever. And I caught him sayingit, and then Ellie, I was like,
oh, save me. What are you gonnasay?

Danielle (45:58):
This whole as someone who was sitting again. There was
only like five of us in the bar,and they were wrecking timber
there too. So yeah, total me andTara may are sitting in the
corner. We're in our ownconversation. This whole thing
happened so quietly initiallythat we didn't catch it. And
then I heard her get loud,

Unknown (46:17):
and we're like, oh yeah. So I hear Him say to
Darren, oh, she's the worstbartender Island. I said, You
got something to say? He's like,Yo you don't want to pour a
drink. I was like, okay,whatever. And then he like,
pursue the same similar shit. SoI was like, You know what
dishwasher. I was like, fuckyou. I grabbed his beer. He's

(46:39):
like, fuck you. And I grabbedhis beer, pour it out, and I
grabbed his chains that I gavehim, and I, like, went to the
register to give him his actual$20 bill back, right? I like, I
slammed his hand down. She's,like, trying to rip it from me,
and it's a bit of a blur, but Ijust like, go fuck yourself. Get
the fuck out of my bar. Youryour kids hate you. I hope you

(47:00):
don't die on the way out, shedid say that it was kind of
great. I was like, nobody likesyou, your piece of shit, your
narcissistic asshole, good foryou. And fun fact, he likes he
left, but he showed up the nextday, and right he wrote Sandy a
letter or story, what? And Sandywas like, What the fuck is this?

(47:22):
And I was like, this is andshe's like, That guy, yeah,
that'swhen we got the text, like, he's
out. Yeah, I think actually,

Siobhan (47:30):
you know who I saw today. I had stopped to see
Michelle and have lunch. But,well, yeah,

Danielle (47:40):
oh, Michael, that they were,

Siobhan (47:44):
yeah, the white dude that like he's white hair red,
yeah, white dude with red hairsas the

Danielle (47:51):
first month I worked at fireside, we 86 is that the
guy people, he

Donna (47:55):
used to work at the high end restaurant. He came in again
when you were gone, and he's 86oh no, you're when Joel was back
there, and Joel

Siobhan (48:03):
told, Joel told him to leave, yeah, did he come back
in? Oh no, no. So he walked in,and I was like, Well, I think
I'm pretty sure that dude's 86from every bar on the island.
And Joel was like, Okay. And Iwas like, I mean, I'm not sure,
but I'm pretty sure he's 86 fromevery bar on the island. And
Joel was like, Okay. And Donna'slike, Yeah, I think so too. And
so Joel just went over and waslike, Yeah, you gotta leave. And
he's like, it's because of thatredhead girl down there. Girl
down there. And Joel, just like,

Unknown (48:26):
looked at that girl in the bar. How are you already
well, you know, like, it's likethat little Fiat drive
motherfucker the Baywatch.

Danielle (48:39):
He still comes around to the other night,

Siobhan (48:41):
he asked me if I've worked at the Benton for long,
and if I knew Darryl.

Unknown (48:45):
Yeah, I think he's, well,

Donna (48:47):
he he's kind of Alzheimer you know, he's just a jerk. He's
just Yeah, he is. He doesn'tlisten to anybody. And he's and
like, whatever. When he wastalking about he was talking
about me, talking about me, yeahor something, yeah, and Pepe,
peppy told him, like, he saidsomething like, about me, like,

(49:08):
which is probably true, but shewas like, she's rude or
something, she's rude. And I waslike, and she said, and she's
and he was talking about me, andshe, you know, because we're all
friends, and like, you're notgoing to talk shit about my
friends in my bar when I'mstanding there. And so she said,
maybe if you weren't such a knowit all rude little motherfucker,

(49:30):
she wouldn't be

Unknown (49:32):
next, like, get out

Donna (49:34):
or something like that.
And then he comes into the bar,because she kicked him out. So
he comes into the fireside. Oh,wow. It's busy. It's Sunday.
It's busy. Wait, how long agowas this

Danielle (49:47):
last year? He hasn't been a fireside

Donna (49:51):
this time. So he comes walking in the door, and there's
a lot of people, the games areon, and I go, you, you want to
talk shit, motherfucker, youcould turn right around and walk
the. Right back out of this. Andhe's all, what? Huh? I go, you
think I'm not gonna hear aboutyou talking shit about me. My
friends are all bartenders. Isaid you could turn around, get
the fuck right back out of here.
I didn't. I all. I said, wasyour job's hard? I go, No, you

(50:12):
didn't. No, you didn't say that.
Get out of here. And he was all,and then Sandy comes up to me,
she's behind the bar doing mydishes because he was busy, and
she's like, Are you kicking himout? I said fucking angry. She's
all okay,

Unknown (50:27):
all right, so now we're gonna get back on track.

Danielle (50:32):
Don't do 80 sixable offenses. So,

Unknown (50:36):
fun fact, we live in a town that I

Danielle (50:42):
so close to the mic.

Unknown (50:49):
So we live in a town that was a military town, and so
what we're coming what we'recoming off of is basically a
couple of decommission ships,but we still have the echo of
the military ID here. And so ifyou're from Alameda, if you've

(51:10):
ever visited Alameda, if youknow Alameda, you know that like
there's a strong bar sense here,you get drunk on either side of
the island. And now versus 15years ago, you you kind of have
to cab 25 right? But you knowabout 25 years ago, even 30

(51:30):
years ago, you could kind ofwalk into stumbling to a bar.
Oh, yeah, and no, the history,the history that I looked up
about this island is that youcould literally, like, start on
a Webster Street, walk into fouror five bars and black out and

(51:55):
find yourself on Park Street andvice versa, to
dress on backwards. I don't knowit wasn't

Danielle (52:02):
me. I just heard a story. A

Unknown (52:04):
lot of us who are from here know that we have a
military background, not likesaying that we serve their
start, but like our family orbrothers or dads, or dads all
that like, you know we we liveon this island, and we do
respect the military presence toto an extent, to an extent, but

(52:24):
we're also a very progressiveIsland. And so with that being
said, it's kind of fun to talkabout how it's changed so much
from being a staunch cigarettebar smoking thing to like the
burbs smacking some basil.

Danielle (52:45):
I can't do it because the way I talk at fireside
another place is a lot differentthan I do in the fine dining
mint

Unknown (52:56):
at work. We work in her like a seriously former military
bar, like the bar, the bar wasestablished strictly because,
strictly because, like thesailors, needed somewhere to go.
If you look at the geography ofthe island, you can see the
hideout. You can see all thebars. You can see what was the

(53:19):
other one, Susie Q's. RememberSusie Q is out there too, also
sambos.
Oh, that a restaurant. That wasa restaurant on Webster, yeah.
And like, so it's like, allthese sailors, you know? But
like, No, it was not a greatname. But no,

Donna (53:35):
I know it wasn't. But like, that was, like, it was
like a diner. But all thesailors

Unknown (53:39):
would come here and they would look for a place to
drink. If one bar was full,they'd go to another bar. And
that's, that's what, that's whatAlameda was for. Like, I guess,
till 7628 Didn't

Danielle (53:50):
you say there was a point in time we were talking
about the other day they had themost per capita bars, like

Unknown (53:56):
the 90s? Yeah. So Clinton was elected in 1942
what? What this? What the statussays is that San Francisco Bay
Area had more bars per capitathan any place in the United
States, and that includes NewYork City. Yeah. Wow. Miami, Los
Angeles and Wisconsin, thedrunkest state. They really are
so

Danielle (54:19):
brandy like weirdos, packers,

Unknown (54:25):
Alameda, before it actually gets redeveloped. You
can see like the shelves of thebars that were here. And if you
talk to certain people, you canfind pictures of these bars,
cool history, about schoolhistory. And if you grew up
here, you don't necessarilylike, want to like, revive it,
but you also want to appreciateit. Because, like, if you go

(54:47):
down Lincoln from where we areright now, we're on the base
it's been redeveloped. If youdrive down from where this
podcast is, down Lincoln, youcan see. At least four bars that
are now just apartment complex,yeah, yeah. But they keep the
signs out there, which isreally hideout. One's really
cool, the hideout in thetimeout, but in 1940

Danielle (55:12):
yeah, there's the one that's on Pacific, Pacific
Lincoln,

Unknown (55:15):
yeah. But so my grandmother, she was a
transplant from Montana, and sheworked for the military during
World War Two. And she actuallywas on the base way before I was
even born. And she always toldme she's like, if you ever want
to look me up, just find yourfind my files on the base, which

(55:36):
is true. There's still files onthe base from World War Two.
It's caught. It is quiteinteresting to see all the that
has happened. Danny, you're fromFremont. You Me too. You have
slight military, like,understanding of it well, the

Danielle (55:56):
only time, I mean, before I lived here, like I grew
up in the East Bay, but, huh,the Fremont have a military, no,
it was really small. Well,Fremont, land wise, is a very
vast it was like four towns.
They turned into one in thefifth So, like Irvington was its
own district, Centerville, Nilesand Miles is still coming, but
and then you had central orCenterville and Mission San

(56:17):
Jose. So it was like five littletowns, and then Newark was its
own thing that now Fremont likein circles. But for me, I didn't
spend time, like, I have family,like I My grandparents had a
barber shop on East 12th Streetin Oakland. But like, I never,
yeah, black as fuck. We used tobring grandma and grandpa
Scratchers on Sunday morningswith McDonald's breakfast, and

(56:37):
we go play chess with old man.
But like, I didn't spend time inAlameda until my brother was
recruited or signed up for theMarines. And they would do there
was still a somewhat more activeNavy base. What year is that?
Though? 2001

Unknown (56:53):
Okay, so and so

Donna (56:56):
Marines was act really active here.

Danielle (57:00):
They would do their PT, and we had our family days
here. So I've been in, like theamphitheater, or not the
amphitheater, but like the theyhave a theater where they would
do presentations and show, likethe video of, like, what boot
camp was gonna be like, like itwas all of this is that on
Clement, I think so I'm tryingto remember, because we had a
whole, like, Family Day. It wason the Hornet too. So it was all
around. A lot of these buildingsare either gone now or they are

(57:23):
just they've been uninhabitedfor like, 20

Unknown (57:26):
Yeah. You can look across the street there still,
yeah. Well, we Yeah,

Danielle (57:30):
but it's funny because, I mean, I lived on
Treasure Island for three years.
It's the same, same thing, but,like, I've never even been
there, yeah? What? Well, beforethey made it fancy, we used to
joke like, you only take theexit of Treasure Island if you
need to, because it's so sharpyou might fucking die. Yeah, you
know, like, just like takingthat bus on the exit. Oh, my
God, it's terrifying. But no,but, like, I had, I mean, there

(57:53):
is that, but I really didn'tspend much time here. I didn't
know a lot about the history ofit. Prior to living here, I
spent the majority of mybartending years in San
Francisco, which I'm back tonow, but it's nice to have a on
either side, because I didn'tbartend much in the East Bay
before I started working in thecity. But there is a place, and

(58:14):
speaking of places are boardedup that it's just still there
near the Southland mall,actually, because I used to go
there to learn how to play pooland drink a beer. After my shift
at Olive Garden was the firstplace I learned how to Barton
this place called BigJorge's hollow leg. Yeah, the
building is still there. And bigJorge, he passed, like,

(58:38):
probably, like, almost 10 yearsago now, and so, yeah, the
building is just, it's sittingplywood, plywood up,

Unknown (58:45):
but it's got the big leg.

Danielle (58:50):
Yeah, man, that place that was wild. That's how I
learned how to, like count shotsout of a Yeah, because I didn't,
we didn't like measure shit.
He's like, You should get like,26 to 28 shots out of or out of
this bottle. And so that's how Ilearned how to just do a pork
out. Someone

Siobhan (59:05):
asked me the other day, like, they were like, do you
just do a count? And I was like,yeah. They're like, what's your
count? And I was like, What doyou mean? And he's like, is it?
Like, how do you do it? And Iwas like, I actually don't know
anymore. And he's like, what?
And I'm like, I don't even thinkabout anymore. I feel like,

Unknown (59:20):
if you pour a bottle, you can't four, like, you're
maybe off by like, point onemillimeter. Yeah, that also
depends

Danielle (59:27):
on your pore spots. It depends on,

Siobhan (59:29):
you know, yeah, like, if my pore spots going slow, I
know it's gonna be a little,like, with a prostate, yeah?
Milk

Danielle (59:37):
it a little Yeah.
Massage it a little

Unknown (59:44):
bit. I love this guy.

Danielle (59:50):
So much, amazing.

Siobhan (59:52):
Oh, the only thing she was, like, manners, like, I
don't know where they went, butlike, oh

Danielle (59:57):
my god, so much worse after COVID. Like, they were
bad. Probably. Higher like, butit would feel like it's it was
more common when people startedgoing back outside, like they
just forgot. I want to make asign

Unknown (01:00:06):
the bar that says, hey, if you're between 25 and
younger, it's,

Danielle (01:00:13):
it is. It's not even all just youngsters. It's just,
it's

Unknown (01:00:15):
cultural to tip.

Donna (01:00:18):
I'll straight tell you. I will be like, I'm sorry. Like
it. And then when people signtheir credit card and they don't
total it because they don't wantto tip you, I'll walk right over
and go, you need to total this,yeah, yeah, if you're not gonna
leave a tip, whatever, but youneed to total it, or I'll total

Danielle (01:00:35):
it, yeah, because I'm not having you come back and try
to dispute some shit, right?

Donna (01:00:39):
Yeah, I said you need to put a total and you need to sign
it, because some people justfucking just fucking it off, and
they know what they're doing,right, you know? And I don't
like that. I don't like that atall. Hey,

Unknown (01:00:47):
do you want to close this weekend? I don't mind
closing, but I I got doublebooked to close and work the
door. I

Danielle (01:00:59):
heard you said, I do the door. Dude, yeah,

Donna (01:01:03):
I'm working already 11 to fucking eight, yeah,

Unknown (01:01:06):
on Saturday, yeah, or 1130 to eight, yeah? No. Pearl
is working.

Danielle (01:01:13):
So what had happened was, we'll figure that out after
this podcast.

Unknown (01:01:18):
All right, back to the pocket we're talking about.
We're talking about. We're

Danielle (01:01:22):
trying to wonderful

Unknown (01:01:26):
like it when. Okay, how do you guys handle when a
fucking 21 year old goesPaloma if they don't want to
plumber as

Danielle (01:01:37):
a 21 like this isn't your first time.

Unknown (01:01:40):
If I didn't work at this great bar, I'd be like, Oh,
let me see ID, and I just wipemy ass.
That's what I want. What do youwhat was
your question goes to ID? I'mlike, yeah, the

Siobhan (01:01:55):
same thing. I tell anyone that gives me that, like,
I don't care how old you are ifI ask you for your ID, like, I
don't need a fucking story. I'mnot looking at your phone. I
don't want to take a fuckingwallet, like, I love your ID.
Like an adult, like, I don'tcare how

Unknown (01:02:10):
my phone. I'm like, great. I'm not gonna accept that
to go. I'm like, do you have youever heard of Photoshop? Yeah,

Danielle (01:02:16):
we actually that reminds me. A couple of weekends
ago, I was closing, and we had,we were actually pretty busy.
And we had a French guy. Hedidn't have coming back, we
apologize. But it came in withhis son who, look, I mean,
again, the younger you look,this kid looked like he was a
very tall 14 year old. Yourballs dropped, I don't know, but

(01:02:38):
your dad's standing here tryingto order for you, like, Okay.
And then it was a whole, was awhole thing of like, no no, but
he's my son. Because I said Ineed to see his ID, he was
ordering two drinks. And I waslike, Okay, well, then who's the
fucking second one

Unknown (01:02:55):
for? Thank you. I do that all the time. Yeah. And so

Danielle (01:02:58):
he's like, No no, but he's my son, and he's tried to
pull it on his phone, and I waslike, No, you need to have a
physical ID. We're not doingthis. And a military idea
cutting five minute back andforth of this, and we're like,
no, like, we need, we I need aphysical ID, or you need to
leave. I'm not going to serveyou. I'm gonna take this drink
back that we already poured foryou. That's it. Yeah, I also,
I'm not gonna risk my fuckingjob. In my life.

Donna (01:03:20):
Thank you. I like my job.
I always go. I like my job,dude, sorry, like, you know, and
I don't I, well, they're notdrinking. I don't care. Okay,
you cannot be any Yes, exactly.
And I don't know why your kidsrunning in here. Get it out

Danielle (01:03:35):
of here, you know, shoe.

Unknown (01:03:38):
Get it out of here.
I'll throw a pint glass at it.

Siobhan (01:03:42):
Warns. The other ones, come back,

Unknown (01:03:44):
throw it out the door.
Though, kids

Danielle (01:03:52):
are walking in for candy that Sunday. Oh, this was
a few weeks ago. It was forHalloween. It was for Halloween.
It was a day after we're doinginventory in the back, oh yeah,
I was saying on the end, I wastalking to Shannon, and these
fucking, like, six, seven yearolds started walking, and I
turned like, Oh no, no, no, andtheir parents are standing
outside. So why the fuck to seeif we had candy? Don't send your

(01:04:15):
children into the Yeah, it's awhole fucking bar. You know,
it's a bar because y'all comehere. It could. They don't,

Donna (01:04:22):
if they've never, oh, okay, they've been here. Because
if you go into the eagle in SanFrancisco, send your kids in
there, you know what? I mean,remember the eagle? Yeah, shoot.
I They don't like they don'tlike us in there. I don't like
the women up in there.

Siobhan (01:04:36):
Like, why would you send a kid into a bar? Like,

Donna (01:04:39):
I think people now, because we have food, think it's
like, a Yeah, I

Unknown (01:04:43):
have one guy that, like, comes on Mondays. He knows
I talked to him. I was like,your son can't come in here, but
he, like, stays in the corner,and then, like, he drinks his
two tall beers. And it's like,son walks into, like, the cove
that we have, huh? And I'm like,Get
out of here. Block. Your kid inthe car, like we used to do
right, roll the window down,

Danielle (01:05:05):
they'll be fine. He already, like, not even paid
out. Like, no, I

Unknown (01:05:10):
look at him every time.
He's just like, that'sit. Yeah, I'm not losing my job,
and I'm not

Siobhan (01:05:17):
getting fined, like someone because I said,

Danielle (01:05:19):
if you have, if you have, if you have $10,000 for me
personally, right now exactly Itold him that, then get the

Donna (01:05:26):
because the we get fined.
But, yeah, we, as a bartender,yeah, like, that's like, and I
hate, and I hate to call himout, because I love him to
pieces. He's wonderful, but thethe guy who falls asleep at the
bar,

Siobhan (01:05:40):
so many names, like,

Donna (01:05:43):
I love them, I love them.
But you know what? Do not closeyour fucking eyes at the bar,
please, right? Like, I becauseyou can't

Siobhan (01:05:52):
sleep at the bar, right? And we know he doesn't
have the money,

Unknown (01:05:55):
and I don't have $5,000

Danielle (01:05:57):
don't even put your head down on the bar and if you
look like you might be asleepand pretend

Unknown (01:06:02):
you're watching your phone,

Siobhan (01:06:04):
yeah, I've done like, the clap my hands as loud as I
can across the bar and, like,yelled at someone, and they're
like, no, no, I'm fine. I'mlike, There's no closing your
eyes at the bar. Like you have

Unknown (01:06:13):
to. Sometimes it's like, a weird thing, because
it's like, yeah, he shouldn't doit. But then, like, you get the
kind of like, the Okay, not forme.

Donna (01:06:23):
It's hard. It's hard, you know what? I go, go sit in the
back, go sit at Sandy's desk andfall asleep, right? You know
what I mean? Or like, sit at alower table if you're even a
little bit tired, right? Yeah,but I still do not want to see
your eyes closed like I did.
That's fair. That's

Siobhan (01:06:35):
her, like, Holly, dude, just thinking about the ID
thing. I a group of girls comein, and they, like, went right
back to the black table. And I'mlike, I need, and I was kind of
busy, so I'm like, I need yourIDs. And then I'm like, Yeah.
And I'm like, I need your IDs.
And like, a couple of them cameover. I'm like, I still need her
ID. And they're like, yeah,yeah, she's coming. And I'm
like, Okay, well, I stood there,and there's like, people waiting
down here, and I'm like, Okay.
And then I'm like, they're stilland I'm like, I still need your

(01:06:57):
ID. And they're like, yeah,yeah, she'll get it for you. Get
it, man. And then I was like,What's you I, like, slammed down
the things I had in my hand. Iwas like, Okay, everybody,
nobody gets a drink until thischick gives me her idea. So
let's see how this goes. And,like, she turns around and she
looks at me, and I was like, Iguess we're all just waiting on
you when you're convenient,like, Donna's deal, right? And

(01:07:19):
then she was like, Oh, well, Idon't have an idea. Okay, yeah,
now get the fuck out of my bar.
Yeah?

Unknown (01:07:26):
Like, I'm always like, I love being a dick, because
especially,

Danielle (01:07:28):
like, when, especially if you have a back room, though,
because you know the whole thingof, like, I'm just getting
everybody she's not gonna know,she's busy. It's like, yeah,
best believe I will then sitthere and ask you, what's your
fucking address, what is yours?
No, don't play with me. What'syour fucking all of this. Then
that

Donna (01:07:42):
walk into the back is a freaking what are they thinking,
right? You know what? I mean,amateurs and all the Malibu and
pineapple we get the fuck out ofhere,

Unknown (01:07:53):
Malibu that doesn't taste like alcohol. No, not
really. That's why you orderedit. Oh, man. But I

Donna (01:08:02):
mean, like, and, you know, like, when somebody looks
young and the other person looksa little older, like maybe 90 or
whatever, but like they'remessed up with somebody who
looks younger. I don't want tomake them feel bad. So you look
about 25 so

Unknown (01:08:17):
I mean, he was quickly, like, like, 51 and like, he
walked with a young girl, andhe's like, and he's like, let me
get this, this and this. I'mlike, great, where's your idea?
He goes, Oh, I'm ordering forhim. Like,

Danielle (01:08:30):
you're ordering for her. I always I'm not
contributing to

Unknown (01:08:33):
a minor. I like my job, dude. Sorry, yeah, I like my
job.

Siobhan (01:08:38):
I've said to someone, like, if, well, do you want to
pay all my bills? Because thenwe can talk. But not one time

Unknown (01:08:44):
was that brewery when I was still working there. He's
like, oh my. He's like, he's 21but he's he lost his idea. I'm
like, great. I was like, what?
Bring you on. He goes this free.
I'm like, Cool. 13,000 he goes,What do you mean? Like, that's
how much it cost me to serveyour friend. He's like, You're a
bitch. I'm like, and you're,

Donna (01:09:03):
I'm a bitch. Yeah, I am a bitch. But, like, you know, I
told you to order by number, youknow what I mean.

Siobhan (01:09:09):
Alright, y'all, I think we should wrap this one up. I
need Danielle to drive my carhome. Alright, yup. And thank
y'all for listening. That's Thatwas a wild ride here.

Unknown (01:09:18):
A little early redo this,

Siobhan (01:09:22):
yeah, to be fair, I was gonna

Unknown (01:09:24):
really sad. I'll do it better. To be fair, okay? I was

Donna (01:09:32):
like, what is what? When

Unknown (01:09:36):
I get her status tomorrow, yeah, I'll redo this.
But I'm I'm just angry and sad.

Siobhan (01:09:41):
Alright, what happened?
Well, we're all here for you,and thank you all for listening
and enjoying our wild ride. Welove you. Go find your joy
today. You.