June 17, 2025 • 27 mins
What happens when marketing expertise meets a passion for movement? Brooke Centrella's journey from corporate media planner to owner of Pilates in Motion studio reveals the transformative power of following your calling—and helping others reconnect with their bodies along the way.
Brooke discovered Pilates years ago while seeking relief from equestrian injuries. The method so profoundly changed her physical wellbeing that friends encouraged her to become certified. What began as teaching on the side while maintaining her marketing career eventually evolved into her full-time passion after selling her family's business.
Beyond the common misconception that Pilates is "just core work," Brooke explains Joseph Pilates' original vision of "Contrology"—a comprehensive system designed to create balanced, integrated bodies through controlled movement and proper breathing. Unlike contemporary group classes that follow rigid choreography, classical Pilates adapts to each person's unique physical structure and needs.
This personalized approach makes Pilates accessible to everyone from teenagers to octogenarians. Clients report not just improved physiques, but better sleep, reduced pain, enhanced mobility, and for older practitioners, fewer falls and improved balance—benefits that extend far beyond the studio.
The conversation explores the differences between equipment-based and mat Pilates, the optimal frequency for seeing results (most notice changes within 10-15 sessions), and how even remote students can benefit through virtual training. Brooke's combined expertise in marketing and movement gives her unique insight into both the technical aspects of Pilates and the challenges of entrepreneurship.
Whether you're curious about trying Pilates, interested in fitness entrepreneurship, or simply looking for a method that creates lasting physical change from the inside out, this episode offers valuable perspective from someone who's lived both the corporate and wellness worlds. Connect with Brooke at PilatesInMotionLLC.com to begin your own transformation.
Pilates in Motion
Brooke Centrella
260 Vreeland Ave
Midland Park NJ, 07432
(201) 681-7555
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Good Neighbor Podcast, the place
where local businesses andneighbors come together.
Here's your host, Doug Drohan.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey, good afternoon everyone.
Welcome to another episode ofthe Good Neighbor Podcast
brought to you by the BergenNeighbors Media Group.
Today we are joined by BrookeCentrella.
She is the owner of Pilates inMotion, based in Midland Park,
new Jersey, in Bergen County,right in the probably sort of in
the center of Bergen County.
Anyway, brooke, welcome to theshow.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hi, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So you are a Pilates instructor, you're the owner of
your own practice called Pilatesin Motion.
I used to watch a fitness showon ESPN back in the day by a guy
named Gilad, or Gilad.
He was Israeli.
He was actually an Israelidecathlete, I think in the
Olympics, but he had a showcalled Bodies in Motion, and so
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whenever I when I hear Pilatesin Motion, it makes me think of
Bodies in Motion, whichobviously is a Newton's law of
physics, but anyway.
So tell us a little bit aboutyou.
Know why Pilates, like, how didyou get into it?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
So years and years ago I started taking mat classes
and I just loved it.
It really helped me in my body.
I had some injuries I'm anequestrian and I had some
injuries from various falls, asyou get and it was a wonderful
method of helping me reconnectand balance my body out from all
the imbalances I was developingover the time.
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And I became so into it that acouple of my friends were like
you should learn and teach it.
So I got my first MAPcertification.
I think I was 24 when I got myfirst MAP certification and I
started teaching and from thenon I just loved it and continued
pursuing it and pursuing it,and it has been a part of my
life ever since.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Wow.
So you, I mean, did you go tocollege?
Did you study, exercisephysiology or like what was your
?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So I did go to college.
I have a degree in marketing,physiology, or like what was
your.
So I did go to college.
I have a degree in marketing.
I worked in um, media planningand placement, on air planning
and placement for most of mylife and I taught Pilates as
well and, uh, helped my familywith their business and it was
great.
My brother's actually a sportsphysiologist.
He went to college for that butso we're like the two fitness
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people in the family.
You know, espousing the greatacts of fitness, but basically
no, my college background is notin this, but I did grow up
riding and competing horses mywhole life, so I have been very
physical and was always intraining.
I did dance as well, so verybody aware, and Pilates really
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spoke to everything about thatand made everything better.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, I mean, it's one thing to you know to
practice Pilates and teach it.
It's another thing to say I'mgiving up my career in marketing
or advertising and I'm going tostart my own Pilates business,
because I guess there's a coupleof Pilates studios around,
maybe one or two.
What was the deciding ordriving factor for you to say
(03:13):
I'm going to go off on my ownand start my own business?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So I was always doing this on the side while I worked
.
And then, after I had mydaughter, I had a little bit of
a break doing this and I wasstill working remotely mostly,
and I decided I wanted to justbring the studio back up, get
more people in.
I had time because I could workremotely so I could devote more
time to the studio which really,I guess, was what set me on the
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trajectory of being like I'mgoing to do this full time that
and selling the family company.
I'm going to do this full timethat and selling the family
company.
So I don't have that companycommitment anymore and I can
commit fully to the studio allthe time.
But I have been teaching theentire time while I had my
career.
It's kind of the nice thingabout the fitness industry is
you?
Can do it with a career.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So what was the family business?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
We had a media planning and placement company.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oh, okay, okay.
And the city.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
No, we were in Montville.
Oh wow, we worked all over theworld, with many cable networks
from literally all over theworld.
It was a lot of fun.
My father started the businessand built it, which is also why
I think it wasn't a hard leapfor me to be like.
Of course, I'm going to open myown Pilates studio because I
saw my father open his ownbusiness and be successful with
it.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So yeah, and I think we mentioned, you know, when you
, when you and I first spoke, Iused to be a personal trainer
and I did it on the side.
I worked in Manhattan, but Ilived down in Hudson County,
like on river road, so I couldtrain people in the morning, go
back home, shower, get on thebus, go into the city, come home
and do it again at night, andbecause there were so many
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condos and so many great openspaces, I could do boot camps.
But I loved it.
It was a great side hustle, butpeople would ask me, why don't
you do it full time?
And I was like well, I trainedpeople before work and after
work.
What am I doing between nine andfive Plus?
I didn't believe in myself.
I had never done anything on myown like that before, um, so
(05:10):
maybe I needed to be kicked tothe curb, which is what spurred
me on to start my own businessnow.
But, uh, yeah, I think it'sgreat and I mean what drives you
beyond?
I mean so to be an instructor?
What is it that wants you toshare your passion for Pilates?
And then let's get into whatPilates is.
(05:32):
You know, you mentioned how ithelped fix your body.
How is it different than yoga?
How is it different than weighttraining?
You know, core classes, thingslike that.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Sure.
So why I started teaching itand what keeps me going as a
teacher is seeing it always work.
I love it so much.
I know I can always come intomy studio if I'm I mean, I do
every day anyway, but if I cancome in and I can help myself
through a situation and it itmakes my riding better, it makes
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my life better, I sleep better,I am able to do more with my
daughter and and just overallhealthier.
So I think it kind of feedsitself and you want to share
that with people.
You want other people to havethat.
It's like a high from it in itsown way.
You know, I guess an endorphinhigh would be a good way of
putting it.
So I definitely like that.
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I really enjoy helping peopleaccomplish their goals.
It's very fulfilling to me tohave somebody come in with a
goal and it can be the smallestthing to them, but once they
accomplish it it gets them goingto try more and more and more
and that really fills me up.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, so their goal I mean.
So let's go to the second partof my question, joseph Pilates,
and like what is the goal formost people with Pilates and
what was his you know kind ofphilosophy I guess you could say
.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So you know, his philosophy was mostly that you
to be healthy, you know, isbreath and control.
So the method isn't reallyPilates.
He named the method Contrology.
We call it Pilates todaybecause it was developed by
Joseph Pilates.
He developed it over hislifetime I mean, he's a very
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amazing man, definitely wayahead of his time and basically
it's a full body conditioningsystem.
It's not just core, it's notjust abs.
We do not create imbalancedbodies in Pilates, we create
balanced, whole, integratedsystem.
And that's what he wanted.
He wanted people to beconnected and whole and
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integrated so that they couldlive a healthy life all the way
through their 80s and 90s andstill be mobile.
And obviously, since thepandemic we've become much more
sedentary because everything'sbecome much more virtual and
even this right.
So the act of motion, the actof breath and motion, the act of
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balancing out your front, yourback, your lateral movement,
everything coming into alignmentfor your body, it's also based
on your body, not an anatomypicture of a body.
So when you come into aclassical studio.
We're working with your specificbody.
What's capable for your spine,what's capable for your joints,
what your tendons are strunglike all of that comes into play
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when you come into a Pilatesstudio.
It's not just do an exercise,pilates is much inside to out
and a lot of the other methodsout.
There are more outside to in.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, I mean bodybuilding is more outside in
and it's usually, you know, Iused to see guys in the gym.
He called it mirror musclesbecause, they'd look at
themselves just in the front,but they didn't pay attention to
their backside, so to speak.
But it's interesting because ifI do some research on Pilates
and this just came up, are thereany downsides to Pilates?
(08:58):
So I want you to respond tothis.
Sure, limited cardiovascularbenefit.
Okay, yeah, you're not gettingyour heart rate up to 120 beats
per minute, but that's not.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
That depends on where you are in Pilates and your
control.
Because, the better you becomein your practice, the more
control you get, the faster theexercises move.
So that's not 100% correct.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Well, listen, I've sweat a lot in yoga classes just
trying to hold those poses.
So yoga was like one of themost.
I don't know if it wascardiovascular, but it was
challenging.
So the other one that says adownside is injury risk.
So I don't know.
You know, certainly it coulddepend on the instructor.
If they try to, you know theydon't understand your, your
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flexibility limitations, and howdo you go beyond your, your
normal range of motion?
But how do you respond to whatthe you know, an injury risk
being a downside?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
My response to that is a little bit along the lines
of what you were just saying.
So there's a lot of differenttypes of Pilates available to
people now everywhere, but it'snot necessarily the classical
system, and in the classicalsystem we are intentionally
trained and vigorously trainedto work within the system and
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when you work within the systemyou're really not going to see
injury or create injury and whenyou work within the system
you're really not going to seeinjury or create injury.
So usually the injuries thatpeople describe and trust me,
I've had people call me and likeI broke my vertebrae.
I broke my vertebrae in aPilates class.
That should never happen.
But that's in a group, notbeing looked at as an individual
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and just being sort of givenchoreography, looked at as an
individual and just being sortof given a choreography.
So I find most of the injuriesI deal with from people who come
to me from other studios whohave experienced an injury in
studio is that they've come froma more contemporary Pilates
studio where they're in a group.
They don't really understandthe contrology component of it,
the connection.
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They don't really understandthe reason why we're giving them
the exercises and the sequenceto do them in and they're just
sort of pushed into thischoreography whether it suits
them or not and then theygenerally injure themselves.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, that's the challenge with group exercise,
because it's not one size fitsall.
And when I was an instructorand I used to do group exercise
classes, my classes were noteasy.
They were hit classes, highintensity interval training with
plyometrics, but I alwaysshowed people a way to you know
kind of regress.
(11:29):
You don't have to jump, youcould just do lunges instead of
jumping up and things like that.
But with that said, if you havea class of 20 people, it's
really tough to keep an eye oneveryone to make sure that
they're doing the exercisesproperly.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Excuse me, no, it's okay and be honest with
yourselves.
Right, there's a lot of peoplewho come to that class because
they want to push, whether it'sappropriate for them to push or
not.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Right and there's a rush I want my body in shape.
Now I feel like with Pilates,people look at you or they look
other Pilates instructors andthey say, ah, that's how I want
to look.
But, as you mentioned, you'vebeen doing this for a very long
time and it's not an overnight,as anything is.
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Nothing is really an overnightsuccess story.
It takes time, it takes alearning curve, and it's
interesting because it says inthis are there any downsides to
Pilates?
There's learning curve and timecommitment.
Well, you know, if you want tomake a lifestyle change, it
should be a time commitment, itshould be a learning curve.
Somehow that's written here asa downside, as if there's other
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exercises out there that don'trequire time and a learning
curve.
I guess if you go to the gymand you want to pump iron,
anybody can go to the gym and dothat.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
But that's still time and that's still a commitment.
You're still carving time and acommitment out to pump iron.
I think for a lot of people it'swhat fuels you and if the
exercise makes you feel betterwhen you leave, I mean my goal
is for people to walk out of thestudio feeling better than when
they walked in.
It doesn't have to be amiraculous change.
They just need to feel longerand lighter and more balanced in
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their body than when theywalked in.
And that feeling can carry withyou no matter where you go.
From Pilates and you can takeit into the gym classes.
You can take it into theweightlifting because you know
how to control from the insideout.
You can apply it to the otherexercise forms you're doing and
prevent injury or preventimbalances from forming in those
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exercises, because you knowyourself better.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I mean a strong core and flexibility, I think are the
two keys to preventing injury.
You know if you're tight andyour range of motion is limited
and you try to do things and I'mjust going to go into
weightlifting you're going toinjure yourself or you know your
body's going to take over partsof your body.
It's going to find that path ofleast resistance.
So if there's a muscleimbalance or a tightness, your
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body's going to find a way toperform that range of motion and
probably put strain on an areathat wasn't really meant to do
that part.
So you know what I see as abenefit to Pilates, only having
done mat Pilates a very longtime ago.
So we'll have to talk aboutthat.
You know the core, the posture,the flexibility.
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You know as I stand here, sithere in front of my computer,
I'm hunched over.
I have neck issues now.
So I think you know one of thebiggest things that I see in the
benefits of Pilates are posture, flexibility and core strength,
because I think core strengthleads to better posture.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
For sure and breath right.
The better you breathe, thebetter your whole respiratory
system works, the healthier yourbody is.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
It's also a lot about length and breath and people
kind of think it's only aboutcore.
So they come into classes andthey really contract and there's
a big expansion component.
There's a push and pull inPilates all the time and if
you're just contracting you'regoing to miss it completely.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So do you only use Reformer, or do you do Matt
Pilates as well?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I do the, I have a full, fully equipped classical
studio and I do Matt as well.
Um, so I, I do all of it.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, now do you find , um, so, when you're working
with somebody and, and let's goback to that, so you know,
contrary to the group classes,you are a one-on-one studio.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, Correct, I can do single or duet sessions, but
I don't usually go beyond that.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Right, okay, okay.
So in that session you might gofrom reformer to mat, or one
session it's purely mat andanother session it's reformer
early met another session.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
It's reformer.
So, um, yes, no, it would be afull studio session.
So if it was your first timeyou would come in.
We would go through basicreformer.
Usually in your first time thatis the session just learning
the reformer a little bit,learning how to transition in
and out of the exercises andwhat the connection for means
and where the imbalances are inyour body.
But as you come it moves aroundthe studio.
So so it'd be reformer,depending on what your special
needs are.
There might be some Cadillac orchair or baby armchair, foot
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corrector, toe corrector there'san innumerable amount of things
, ladder, barrel, so many things.
So it just depends on what Isee in your body that day and
how I'm going to incorporate thesystem and the method to get
you to the most square for thatday.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Got it and do people cry in your class?
No, I have never had Wellbecause I could imagine the
moaning and groaning that'sgoing to come from me.
Maybe I won't cry, but I'lldefinitely be, you know,
screaming uncle or something.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
We get a lot of laughter actually in classes you
know it's hard, but in a joyousway which sounds silly, but
it's hard and people like to bechallenged.
I mean, why would you keepcoming if you weren't being
challenged?
If you weren't progressing andfeeling some challenge to your
core, then what are you doinghere?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, so to that point, like, who's your typical
client?
Is it mostly female, and isthere an age range that you work
with?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
So the average age range is probably 25 to, I'm
actually say, like 70.
It's predominantly women, but Ido have quite a few men that
come as well and get a lot outof it.
But the male demographic skewsolder, usually 45 to 80 for the
men.
That's what I see.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, speaking from that demographic, I could say
that when you're younger, it'sall about bulking up.
And well, if you're that kindof person, like I was, it's
about hitting the iron andgrunting and squats and benching
.
And how much can you bench?
It's not like how flexible areyou?
No, no, no guy ever asked me ina bar, or one of my friends hey
, can you touch your toes?
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How much are you benching thesedays?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I was in a drinking challenge.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, yeah, exactly what's your one rep, max?
A couple of years ago I benched255, which I hadn't done in a
long time and no one's everasked me if I can, if my left
arm can touch my right arm.
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You know, behind my back, whichare about six inches apart, um,
so I get it.
You know, when you get older,the to your point about just
having the mobility and having.
You know, being pain-free andhaving great range of motion is
more important in your life thanyou know having big pecs.
So I could see why, as a male,it skews a little bit older.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I definitely see.
I do work with kids too.
People bring their athletes,their children athletes, in
especially if they'reexperiencing imbalances.
So I work with teenagers.
It just depends, and when youstart Pilates, it's a method
that lives in your body.
So even if you start it and yougo away from it for a while,
when you come back to it yourbody's like yes.
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Muscle memory Muscle memory, butit's just something that I will
tell you.
When I first started, my bodyactually craved the classes.
If I missed the Pilates class,I felt it in my body.
It was not okay, and so that's,I think, another beautiful
component of the method.
So the earlier you start, themore your body learns at a young
age, the more time you havewith the method.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Nice.
So what is it?
Obviously, people don't come in.
I mean, they can just book onesession with you, but your
clients are with you for years.
Do you have people that do itmultiple times a week?
And so what's the experiencelike if someone calls you, and
how would they contact you?
What's the best way to contactyou?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
So they can call on my cell phone or they can go to
my website, which is Pilates inMotion LLC dot com, and my phone
number is on the website aswell.
And usually what happens is wetalk about where they are in
their life, what what they'relooking for, what their
expectations are for Pilates.
You know what's bringing theminto the studio.
And then I usually recommend,when you first start, you should
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start with solos with anexperienced teacher.
You should because you get theone-on-one attention and we're
really cuing in on what yourbody specifically needs.
And in the first 10 sessionsfor most people it's learning
the method, learning the flow ofthe method and how it
integrates into their body, andthey usually see a change in
their body by the first 10, 15sessions.
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They notice a change usually oh, my pants fit different.
Oh, I sleep better, I standbetter, things don't hurt
anymore.
Definitely for older people Iwill say falling tripping is a
number one hazard as they ageand it's because they lose that
flexibility in their feet andtheir ankle to lift their foot
all the way.
So their brain thinks they'restill lifting their foot like
they were 10 years ago, but it'scatching their toes, catching
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on stairs or things.
So I have had a lot of peoplewho are older say to me like I
don't have that tripping problemanymore.
I'm not tripping like I was.
So it's definitely that way.
I always recommend coming atleast two times a week.
Two to three is optimal.
You can come once a week.
You're just not going toprogress that much.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Right, right, and you also offer virtual classes.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yes.
So if you're not here, I teachall over.
I've taught people in Europeand everywhere, so you don't
have to have equipment.
I can do virtual mat with youand all you need is a mat and
yourself.
If you have your own studio,I'm certainly happy to help you
with your apparatus and work youthrough a full repertoire on
that and help you achieve yourgoals all the way through the
advanced repertoire.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
That's great.
That's great.
So you know if it's a virtualmat class, you're doing the
exercises as well.
They're watching you on.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I can, or I can just be focused solely on them.
If it's if it's brand new, thenI'll demonstrate some stuff for
people, but if you have a solidpractice.
I'm going to just be watchingyou to help.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
That's great.
That's great.
So, um so, so you're in Midlandpark, your studio is located in
Midland Park and your hours arelike, obviously, if they go on
Pilates in motion LLC.
Now I havenet you saidcom.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
It can do either.
I have both.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Okay, Okay.
So that's where they can bookan appointment and it's
basically, you know, since it'smostly one-on-one, it's not like
you know, you have a class thatpeople just drop into.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
No, I don't do that.
I don't have classes that way.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So they can.
You know it's Monday, wednesday, friday.
You want to go through that?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
So I have I'm available all week except
Saturdays.
I'm in studio all day Tuesdayand Thursday.
I'm in studio all afternoonMonday, wednesday, friday.
In the morning I'm out becauseI have to take care of my horse,
so I'm down here virtually inthe mornings on Monday,
wednesdays and Fridays, as well.
So I'm open six days a week andyou're welcome in or online six
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days a week.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So what so, having been a marketing person and now
Pilates, what is owning your ownbusiness been like in terms of?
You know, I've heard peopledescribe being an entrepreneur
as a roller coaster.
Certainly, a lot of people thathave been on my show are not
business people.
They were, you know.
They studied medicine ordentistry or whatever it is, and
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you know a lot of them startedduring COVID and they had no
business background, nomarketing background, no HR
background, which most of usdon't.
So what has it been like foryou in terms of all the years
that you've started thisbusiness, and how is what's the
journey been like?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
So it's been interesting.
It's definitely.
It forces you out of yourcomfort zone a lot I think most
people who have their ownbusiness will tell you that and
you learn what your comfort zoneis pretty quickly.
It can be tiring, especiallybeing a sole entrepreneur.
I helped with the building ofmy family's company, but it was
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a group of us and I mean I was asmall piece so I did have
insight to that very differentindustry and so I have a little
bit of knowledge of like youknow it takes time.
It takes time for your businessto be recognized, trusted and,
you know, referred to that, so Ikind of came into it with that
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already in the back of my headof like you know, this isn't
gonna blow up overnight to belike an Instagram sensation or
anything like that.
I didn't have those kinds ofexpectations, but I will say
there are times where I'm like Iwish there was just one other
person who could do this side ofit for me, or oh, I you know
that was not the right choice, I, but you learn from your
mistakes as much as anythingelse.
So I feel like it's just beendefinitely I wouldn't call it
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like a total roller coaster, butI will say you have your up and
your down days for sure, forsure.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And the learning curve is there, but the nice
thing is that you can learn.
You know there's no boss thattells you you know, recommends
you or fires you for you knowmaking a mistake and you're free
to make mistakes, but you'realso free to grow beyond what
you could have done elsewhere.
So Exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I think it makes you believe in yourself a little bit
more too.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, yeah, and I think it gives you the
confidence that, hey, I builtthis.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
If I can do that, yeah, like you said, if you
already had that experience withyour family, so you know you
can do it, yeah, Like you said,if you already had that
experience with your family, soyou know you can do it Right.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
And I knew that it was like I know I think for a
lot of people who maybe haven'thad the experience I know what a
struggle it was Like.
I knew how much we struggledfor like the first 12, 14 years
with the company.
It was tight and hard and I'mlike just like I don't have a
preconceived notion about that.
I'm pretty clear.
You know there are going to bereally good months and they're
going to be really bad months,and you know you, you can
forecast with the best of them.
But at the end of the day youjust have to make the best
(25:50):
decision in the moment you're inand and really you know that's
all you can do.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, and I used to work in a a fifties sixties
diner Well, it was a restaurantcalled the Dino Mat and my name
was Buddy.
We had to dance to certainsongs and there was a song that
always popped in my head.
We used to play it a lot.
It was Mama Said.
(26:15):
Mama said there'd be days likethis.
Mama said there'd be days.
There'd be days like this, mamasaid and that's always in my
head when I'm having a tough day.
It's like oh, mama said,there'd be days like this.
Mama said and that's always inmy head when I'm having a tough
day.
It's like oh, mama said,there'd be days like this, you
know.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Lately it's been good news from Shabuzy for me.
Yeah, I'm like it's been somegood news.
I'm just going to take it.
When you're having those daysyou really do have to like cling
hard to the good things.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Find something good in the day, because, oh my god,
some days.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I agree, yeah, it's like oh yeah, but you know, the
joy of of you know, growing as abusiness owner is those days
are fewer and fewer, rightfurther between as you, yeah, as
you, as you continue to rightbuild.
But uh, brooke, this is great.
I really appreciate you uhsharing, and you've got me, um,
(27:02):
you know well, we could talkoffline, but there's a lot of
things that uh piqued myinterest, so we're gonna have
chuck close us out here and youand I'll be right back all right
bye thank you for listening tothe good neighbor podcast.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
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Here's your host, Doug Drohan.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey, good afternoon everyone.
Welcome to another episode ofthe Good Neighbor Podcast
brought to you by the BergenNeighbors Media Group.
Today we are joined by BrookeCentrella.
She is the owner of Pilates inMotion, based in Midland Park,
new Jersey, in Bergen County,right in the probably sort of in
the center of Bergen County.
Anyway, brooke, welcome to theshow.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hi, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So you are a Pilates instructor, you're the owner of
your own practice called Pilatesin Motion.
I used to watch a fitness showon ESPN back in the day by a guy
named Gilad, or Gilad.
He was Israeli.
He was actually an Israelidecathlete, I think in the
Olympics, but he had a showcalled Bodies in Motion, and so
(00:57):
whenever I when I hear Pilatesin Motion, it makes me think of
Bodies in Motion, whichobviously is a Newton's law of
physics, but anyway.
So tell us a little bit aboutyou.
Know why Pilates, like, how didyou get into it?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
So years and years ago I started taking mat classes
and I just loved it.
It really helped me in my body.
I had some injuries I'm anequestrian and I had some
injuries from various falls, asyou get and it was a wonderful
method of helping me reconnectand balance my body out from all
the imbalances I was developingover the time.
(01:33):
And I became so into it that acouple of my friends were like
you should learn and teach it.
So I got my first MAPcertification.
I think I was 24 when I got myfirst MAP certification and I
started teaching and from thenon I just loved it and continued
pursuing it and pursuing it,and it has been a part of my
life ever since.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Wow.
So you, I mean, did you go tocollege?
Did you study, exercisephysiology or like what was your
?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So I did go to college.
I have a degree in marketing,physiology, or like what was
your.
So I did go to college.
I have a degree in marketing.
I worked in um, media planningand placement, on air planning
and placement for most of mylife and I taught Pilates as
well and, uh, helped my familywith their business and it was
great.
My brother's actually a sportsphysiologist.
He went to college for that butso we're like the two fitness
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people in the family.
You know, espousing the greatacts of fitness, but basically
no, my college background is notin this, but I did grow up
riding and competing horses mywhole life, so I have been very
physical and was always intraining.
I did dance as well, so verybody aware, and Pilates really
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spoke to everything about thatand made everything better.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, I mean, it's one thing to you know to
practice Pilates and teach it.
It's another thing to say I'mgiving up my career in marketing
or advertising and I'm going tostart my own Pilates business,
because I guess there's a coupleof Pilates studios around,
maybe one or two.
What was the deciding ordriving factor for you to say
(03:13):
I'm going to go off on my ownand start my own business?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So I was always doing this on the side while I worked
.
And then, after I had mydaughter, I had a little bit of
a break doing this and I wasstill working remotely mostly,
and I decided I wanted to justbring the studio back up, get
more people in.
I had time because I could workremotely so I could devote more
time to the studio which really,I guess, was what set me on the
(03:39):
trajectory of being like I'mgoing to do this full time that
and selling the family company.
I'm going to do this full timethat and selling the family
company.
So I don't have that companycommitment anymore and I can
commit fully to the studio allthe time.
But I have been teaching theentire time while I had my
career.
It's kind of the nice thingabout the fitness industry is
you?
Can do it with a career.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So what was the family business?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
We had a media planning and placement company.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oh, okay, okay.
And the city.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
No, we were in Montville.
Oh wow, we worked all over theworld, with many cable networks
from literally all over theworld.
It was a lot of fun.
My father started the businessand built it, which is also why
I think it wasn't a hard leapfor me to be like.
Of course, I'm going to open myown Pilates studio because I
saw my father open his ownbusiness and be successful with
it.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So yeah, and I think we mentioned, you know, when you
, when you and I first spoke, Iused to be a personal trainer
and I did it on the side.
I worked in Manhattan, but Ilived down in Hudson County,
like on river road, so I couldtrain people in the morning, go
back home, shower, get on thebus, go into the city, come home
and do it again at night, andbecause there were so many
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condos and so many great openspaces, I could do boot camps.
But I loved it.
It was a great side hustle, butpeople would ask me, why don't
you do it full time?
And I was like well, I trainedpeople before work and after
work.
What am I doing between nine andfive Plus?
I didn't believe in myself.
I had never done anything on myown like that before, um, so
(05:10):
maybe I needed to be kicked tothe curb, which is what spurred
me on to start my own businessnow.
But, uh, yeah, I think it'sgreat and I mean what drives you
beyond?
I mean so to be an instructor?
What is it that wants you toshare your passion for Pilates?
And then let's get into whatPilates is.
(05:32):
You know, you mentioned how ithelped fix your body.
How is it different than yoga?
How is it different than weighttraining?
You know, core classes, thingslike that.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Sure.
So why I started teaching itand what keeps me going as a
teacher is seeing it always work.
I love it so much.
I know I can always come intomy studio if I'm I mean, I do
every day anyway, but if I cancome in and I can help myself
through a situation and it itmakes my riding better, it makes
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my life better, I sleep better,I am able to do more with my
daughter and and just overallhealthier.
So I think it kind of feedsitself and you want to share
that with people.
You want other people to havethat.
It's like a high from it in itsown way.
You know, I guess an endorphinhigh would be a good way of
putting it.
So I definitely like that.
(06:24):
I really enjoy helping peopleaccomplish their goals.
It's very fulfilling to me tohave somebody come in with a
goal and it can be the smallestthing to them, but once they
accomplish it it gets them goingto try more and more and more
and that really fills me up.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, so their goal I mean.
So let's go to the second partof my question, joseph Pilates,
and like what is the goal formost people with Pilates and
what was his you know kind ofphilosophy I guess you could say
.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So you know, his philosophy was mostly that you
to be healthy, you know, isbreath and control.
So the method isn't reallyPilates.
He named the method Contrology.
We call it Pilates todaybecause it was developed by
Joseph Pilates.
He developed it over hislifetime I mean, he's a very
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amazing man, definitely wayahead of his time and basically
it's a full body conditioningsystem.
It's not just core, it's notjust abs.
We do not create imbalancedbodies in Pilates, we create
balanced, whole, integratedsystem.
And that's what he wanted.
He wanted people to beconnected and whole and
(07:42):
integrated so that they couldlive a healthy life all the way
through their 80s and 90s andstill be mobile.
And obviously, since thepandemic we've become much more
sedentary because everything'sbecome much more virtual and
even this right.
So the act of motion, the actof breath and motion, the act of
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balancing out your front, yourback, your lateral movement,
everything coming into alignmentfor your body, it's also based
on your body, not an anatomypicture of a body.
So when you come into aclassical studio.
We're working with your specificbody.
What's capable for your spine,what's capable for your joints,
what your tendons are strunglike all of that comes into play
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when you come into a Pilatesstudio.
It's not just do an exercise,pilates is much inside to out
and a lot of the other methodsout.
There are more outside to in.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, I mean bodybuilding is more outside in
and it's usually, you know, Iused to see guys in the gym.
He called it mirror musclesbecause, they'd look at
themselves just in the front,but they didn't pay attention to
their backside, so to speak.
But it's interesting because ifI do some research on Pilates
and this just came up, are thereany downsides to Pilates?
(08:58):
So I want you to respond tothis.
Sure, limited cardiovascularbenefit.
Okay, yeah, you're not gettingyour heart rate up to 120 beats
per minute, but that's not.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
That depends on where you are in Pilates and your
control.
Because, the better you becomein your practice, the more
control you get, the faster theexercises move.
So that's not 100% correct.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Well, listen, I've sweat a lot in yoga classes just
trying to hold those poses.
So yoga was like one of themost.
I don't know if it wascardiovascular, but it was
challenging.
So the other one that says adownside is injury risk.
So I don't know.
You know, certainly it coulddepend on the instructor.
If they try to, you know theydon't understand your, your
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flexibility limitations, and howdo you go beyond your, your
normal range of motion?
But how do you respond to whatthe you know, an injury risk
being a downside?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
My response to that is a little bit along the lines
of what you were just saying.
So there's a lot of differenttypes of Pilates available to
people now everywhere, but it'snot necessarily the classical
system, and in the classicalsystem we are intentionally
trained and vigorously trainedto work within the system and
(10:17):
when you work within the systemyou're really not going to see
injury or create injury and whenyou work within the system
you're really not going to seeinjury or create injury.
So usually the injuries thatpeople describe and trust me,
I've had people call me and likeI broke my vertebrae.
I broke my vertebrae in aPilates class.
That should never happen.
But that's in a group, notbeing looked at as an individual
(10:37):
and just being sort of givenchoreography, looked at as an
individual and just being sortof given a choreography.
So I find most of the injuriesI deal with from people who come
to me from other studios whohave experienced an injury in
studio is that they've come froma more contemporary Pilates
studio where they're in a group.
They don't really understandthe contrology component of it,
the connection.
(10:57):
They don't really understandthe reason why we're giving them
the exercises and the sequenceto do them in and they're just
sort of pushed into thischoreography whether it suits
them or not and then theygenerally injure themselves.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, that's the challenge with group exercise,
because it's not one size fitsall.
And when I was an instructorand I used to do group exercise
classes, my classes were noteasy.
They were hit classes, highintensity interval training with
plyometrics, but I alwaysshowed people a way to you know
kind of regress.
(11:29):
You don't have to jump, youcould just do lunges instead of
jumping up and things like that.
But with that said, if you havea class of 20 people, it's
really tough to keep an eye oneveryone to make sure that
they're doing the exercisesproperly.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Excuse me, no, it's okay and be honest with
yourselves.
Right, there's a lot of peoplewho come to that class because
they want to push, whether it'sappropriate for them to push or
not.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Right and there's a rush I want my body in shape.
Now I feel like with Pilates,people look at you or they look
other Pilates instructors andthey say, ah, that's how I want
to look.
But, as you mentioned, you'vebeen doing this for a very long
time and it's not an overnight,as anything is.
(12:13):
Nothing is really an overnightsuccess story.
It takes time, it takes alearning curve, and it's
interesting because it says inthis are there any downsides to
Pilates?
There's learning curve and timecommitment.
Well, you know, if you want tomake a lifestyle change, it
should be a time commitment, itshould be a learning curve.
Somehow that's written here asa downside, as if there's other
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exercises out there that don'trequire time and a learning
curve.
I guess if you go to the gymand you want to pump iron,
anybody can go to the gym and dothat.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
But that's still time and that's still a commitment.
You're still carving time and acommitment out to pump iron.
I think for a lot of people it'swhat fuels you and if the
exercise makes you feel betterwhen you leave, I mean my goal
is for people to walk out of thestudio feeling better than when
they walked in.
It doesn't have to be amiraculous change.
They just need to feel longerand lighter and more balanced in
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their body than when theywalked in.
And that feeling can carry withyou no matter where you go.
From Pilates and you can takeit into the gym classes.
You can take it into theweightlifting because you know
how to control from the insideout.
You can apply it to the otherexercise forms you're doing and
prevent injury or preventimbalances from forming in those
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exercises, because you knowyourself better.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I mean a strong core and flexibility, I think are the
two keys to preventing injury.
You know if you're tight andyour range of motion is limited
and you try to do things and I'mjust going to go into
weightlifting you're going toinjure yourself or you know your
body's going to take over partsof your body.
It's going to find that path ofleast resistance.
So if there's a muscleimbalance or a tightness, your
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body's going to find a way toperform that range of motion and
probably put strain on an areathat wasn't really meant to do
that part.
So you know what I see as abenefit to Pilates, only having
done mat Pilates a very longtime ago.
So we'll have to talk aboutthat.
You know the core, the posture,the flexibility.
(14:20):
You know as I stand here, sithere in front of my computer,
I'm hunched over.
I have neck issues now.
So I think you know one of thebiggest things that I see in the
benefits of Pilates are posture, flexibility and core strength,
because I think core strengthleads to better posture.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
For sure and breath right.
The better you breathe, thebetter your whole respiratory
system works, the healthier yourbody is.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
It's also a lot about length and breath and people
kind of think it's only aboutcore.
So they come into classes andthey really contract and there's
a big expansion component.
There's a push and pull inPilates all the time and if
you're just contracting you'regoing to miss it completely.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So do you only use Reformer, or do you do Matt
Pilates as well?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I do the, I have a full, fully equipped classical
studio and I do Matt as well.
Um, so I, I do all of it.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, now do you find , um, so, when you're working
with somebody and, and let's goback to that, so you know,
contrary to the group classes,you are a one-on-one studio.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, Correct, I can do single or duet sessions, but
I don't usually go beyond that.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Right, okay, okay.
So in that session you might gofrom reformer to mat, or one
session it's purely mat andanother session it's reformer
early met another session.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
It's reformer.
So, um, yes, no, it would be afull studio session.
So if it was your first timeyou would come in.
We would go through basicreformer.
Usually in your first time thatis the session just learning
the reformer a little bit,learning how to transition in
and out of the exercises andwhat the connection for means
and where the imbalances are inyour body.
But as you come it moves aroundthe studio.
So so it'd be reformer,depending on what your special
needs are.
There might be some Cadillac orchair or baby armchair, foot
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corrector, toe corrector there'san innumerable amount of things
, ladder, barrel, so many things.
So it just depends on what Isee in your body that day and
how I'm going to incorporate thesystem and the method to get
you to the most square for thatday.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Got it and do people cry in your class?
No, I have never had Wellbecause I could imagine the
moaning and groaning that'sgoing to come from me.
Maybe I won't cry, but I'lldefinitely be, you know,
screaming uncle or something.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
We get a lot of laughter actually in classes you
know it's hard, but in a joyousway which sounds silly, but
it's hard and people like to bechallenged.
I mean, why would you keepcoming if you weren't being
challenged?
If you weren't progressing andfeeling some challenge to your
core, then what are you doinghere?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, so to that point, like, who's your typical
client?
Is it mostly female, and isthere an age range that you work
with?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
So the average age range is probably 25 to, I'm
actually say, like 70.
It's predominantly women, but Ido have quite a few men that
come as well and get a lot outof it.
But the male demographic skewsolder, usually 45 to 80 for the
men.
That's what I see.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, speaking from that demographic, I could say
that when you're younger, it'sall about bulking up.
And well, if you're that kindof person, like I was, it's
about hitting the iron andgrunting and squats and benching
.
And how much can you bench?
It's not like how flexible areyou?
No, no, no guy ever asked me ina bar, or one of my friends hey
, can you touch your toes?
(17:45):
How much are you benching thesedays?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I was in a drinking challenge.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, yeah, exactly what's your one rep, max?
A couple of years ago I benched255, which I hadn't done in a
long time and no one's everasked me if I can, if my left
arm can touch my right arm.
(18:11):
You know, behind my back, whichare about six inches apart, um,
so I get it.
You know, when you get older,the to your point about just
having the mobility and having.
You know, being pain-free andhaving great range of motion is
more important in your life thanyou know having big pecs.
So I could see why, as a male,it skews a little bit older.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I definitely see.
I do work with kids too.
People bring their athletes,their children athletes, in
especially if they'reexperiencing imbalances.
So I work with teenagers.
It just depends, and when youstart Pilates, it's a method
that lives in your body.
So even if you start it and yougo away from it for a while,
when you come back to it yourbody's like yes.
(18:52):
Muscle memory Muscle memory, butit's just something that I will
tell you.
When I first started, my bodyactually craved the classes.
If I missed the Pilates class,I felt it in my body.
It was not okay, and so that's,I think, another beautiful
component of the method.
So the earlier you start, themore your body learns at a young
age, the more time you havewith the method.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Nice.
So what is it?
Obviously, people don't come in.
I mean, they can just book onesession with you, but your
clients are with you for years.
Do you have people that do itmultiple times a week?
And so what's the experiencelike if someone calls you, and
how would they contact you?
What's the best way to contactyou?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
So they can call on my cell phone or they can go to
my website, which is Pilates inMotion LLC dot com, and my phone
number is on the website aswell.
And usually what happens is wetalk about where they are in
their life, what what they'relooking for, what their
expectations are for Pilates.
You know what's bringing theminto the studio.
And then I usually recommend,when you first start, you should
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start with solos with anexperienced teacher.
You should because you get theone-on-one attention and we're
really cuing in on what yourbody specifically needs.
And in the first 10 sessionsfor most people it's learning
the method, learning the flow ofthe method and how it
integrates into their body, andthey usually see a change in
their body by the first 10, 15sessions.
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They notice a change usually oh, my pants fit different.
Oh, I sleep better, I standbetter, things don't hurt
anymore.
Definitely for older people Iwill say falling tripping is a
number one hazard as they ageand it's because they lose that
flexibility in their feet andtheir ankle to lift their foot
all the way.
So their brain thinks they'restill lifting their foot like
they were 10 years ago, but it'scatching their toes, catching
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on stairs or things.
So I have had a lot of peoplewho are older say to me like I
don't have that tripping problemanymore.
I'm not tripping like I was.
So it's definitely that way.
I always recommend coming atleast two times a week.
Two to three is optimal.
You can come once a week.
You're just not going toprogress that much.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Right, right, and you also offer virtual classes.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yes.
So if you're not here, I teachall over.
I've taught people in Europeand everywhere, so you don't
have to have equipment.
I can do virtual mat with youand all you need is a mat and
yourself.
If you have your own studio,I'm certainly happy to help you
with your apparatus and work youthrough a full repertoire on
that and help you achieve yourgoals all the way through the
advanced repertoire.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
That's great.
That's great.
So you know if it's a virtualmat class, you're doing the
exercises as well.
They're watching you on.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I can, or I can just be focused solely on them.
If it's if it's brand new, thenI'll demonstrate some stuff for
people, but if you have a solidpractice.
I'm going to just be watchingyou to help.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
That's great.
That's great.
So, um so, so you're in Midlandpark, your studio is located in
Midland Park and your hours arelike, obviously, if they go on
Pilates in motion LLC.
Now I havenet you saidcom.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
It can do either.
I have both.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Okay, Okay.
So that's where they can bookan appointment and it's
basically, you know, since it'smostly one-on-one, it's not like
you know, you have a class thatpeople just drop into.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
No, I don't do that.
I don't have classes that way.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So they can.
You know it's Monday, wednesday, friday.
You want to go through that?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
So I have I'm available all week except
Saturdays.
I'm in studio all day Tuesdayand Thursday.
I'm in studio all afternoonMonday, wednesday, friday.
In the morning I'm out becauseI have to take care of my horse,
so I'm down here virtually inthe mornings on Monday,
wednesdays and Fridays, as well.
So I'm open six days a week andyou're welcome in or online six
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days a week.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So what so, having been a marketing person and now
Pilates, what is owning your ownbusiness been like in terms of?
You know, I've heard peopledescribe being an entrepreneur
as a roller coaster.
Certainly, a lot of people thathave been on my show are not
business people.
They were, you know.
They studied medicine ordentistry or whatever it is, and
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you know a lot of them startedduring COVID and they had no
business background, nomarketing background, no HR
background, which most of usdon't.
So what has it been like foryou in terms of all the years
that you've started thisbusiness, and how is what's the
journey been like?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
So it's been interesting.
It's definitely.
It forces you out of yourcomfort zone a lot I think most
people who have their ownbusiness will tell you that and
you learn what your comfort zoneis pretty quickly.
It can be tiring, especiallybeing a sole entrepreneur.
I helped with the building ofmy family's company, but it was
(23:58):
a group of us and I mean I was asmall piece so I did have
insight to that very differentindustry and so I have a little
bit of knowledge of like youknow it takes time.
It takes time for your businessto be recognized, trusted and,
you know, referred to that, so Ikind of came into it with that
(24:18):
already in the back of my headof like you know, this isn't
gonna blow up overnight to belike an Instagram sensation or
anything like that.
I didn't have those kinds ofexpectations, but I will say
there are times where I'm like Iwish there was just one other
person who could do this side ofit for me, or oh, I you know
that was not the right choice, I, but you learn from your
mistakes as much as anythingelse.
So I feel like it's just beendefinitely I wouldn't call it
(24:41):
like a total roller coaster, butI will say you have your up and
your down days for sure, forsure.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And the learning curve is there, but the nice
thing is that you can learn.
You know there's no boss thattells you you know, recommends
you or fires you for you knowmaking a mistake and you're free
to make mistakes, but you'realso free to grow beyond what
you could have done elsewhere.
So Exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I think it makes you believe in yourself a little bit
more too.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, yeah, and I think it gives you the
confidence that, hey, I builtthis.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
If I can do that, yeah, like you said, if you
already had that experience withyour family, so you know you
can do it, yeah, Like you said,if you already had that
experience with your family, soyou know you can do it Right.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
And I knew that it was like I know I think for a
lot of people who maybe haven'thad the experience I know what a
struggle it was Like.
I knew how much we struggledfor like the first 12, 14 years
with the company.
It was tight and hard and I'mlike just like I don't have a
preconceived notion about that.
I'm pretty clear.
You know there are going to bereally good months and they're
going to be really bad months,and you know you, you can
forecast with the best of them.
But at the end of the day youjust have to make the best
(25:50):
decision in the moment you're inand and really you know that's
all you can do.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, and I used to work in a a fifties sixties
diner Well, it was a restaurantcalled the Dino Mat and my name
was Buddy.
We had to dance to certainsongs and there was a song that
always popped in my head.
We used to play it a lot.
It was Mama Said.
(26:15):
Mama said there'd be days likethis.
Mama said there'd be days.
There'd be days like this, mamasaid and that's always in my
head when I'm having a tough day.
It's like oh, mama said,there'd be days like this.
Mama said and that's always inmy head when I'm having a tough
day.
It's like oh, mama said,there'd be days like this, you
know.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Lately it's been good news from Shabuzy for me.
Yeah, I'm like it's been somegood news.
I'm just going to take it.
When you're having those daysyou really do have to like cling
hard to the good things.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Find something good in the day, because, oh my god,
some days.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I agree, yeah, it's like oh yeah, but you know, the
joy of of you know, growing as abusiness owner is those days
are fewer and fewer, rightfurther between as you, yeah, as
you, as you continue to rightbuild.
But uh, brooke, this is great.
I really appreciate you uhsharing, and you've got me, um,
(27:02):
you know well, we could talkoffline, but there's a lot of
things that uh piqued myinterest, so we're gonna have
chuck close us out here and youand I'll be right back all right
bye thank you for listening tothe good neighbor podcast.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
To nominate your favorite local businesses to be
featured on the show, go tognpbergen.
com.
That's gnpbergen.
com, or call 201-298-8325.
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