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Green Room on Air.
Green Room on Air.
The podcast is issued beyond the velvet curtains and into the repulsing heart of the entertainment world.
.999Hey folks, this is Ray Ranati and you have reached Green Room on Air.
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How y'all doing? I hope you're doing alright.
The world's in a shambles, but we'll make it.
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We will survive as we always have as a race the human race today.
We have a very special guest.
His name is mr Dory Engel, and he is an actor and director and independent three theater producer from Israel I know Dory from my time at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art many years ago Dory is a passionate theater artist and I am so glad that he's on the show today I have so much feeling and empathy for the people of Israel And Palestine right now and Dory talks about that in length and in detail, and it's extremely interesting.
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.001Dory is a very, very talented theater artists.
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He's performed at all the major theaters in Israel and it's produced incredible.
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Shows on his own, so I am so happy to have him here.
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So I think, folks, without any further ado, I bring you Mr.
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Dore Angle.
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It's great to see you.
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Now, we were at RADA together, how many years ago? Royal Academy of Dramatic Art? 2009.
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2009? That's this is 223, so that's 14 years or so? 14 years.
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14 years.
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Yeah.
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It's hard to believe.
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It is hard to believe.
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So what are you up to now? Are you working on any theatrical projects? Well, it's all been stopped since the war began, so we don't see any cultural events here at all.
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The whole country, no shows, no entertainment at all.
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So they go there to, you know, to entertain the people and to, you know, to use the children.
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Yeah, but so all, all my projects stopped.
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I'm, I've been directing teaching.
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I was about to start directing the crucible Arthur Miller in an acting studio.
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In Ramat Gan, which is practically Tel Aviv, but now even in Tel Aviv, you have you know, missiles and alarms.
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So we are currently at my wife's family in the, in a northern town in Israel.
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We're staying there.
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I see.
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Oh, so you had to move.
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Yeah.
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My wife's a nurse.
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So she's she's commuting to Tel Aviv.
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She's, she works there in a hospital.
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Yeah.
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And for me, like all, all the, all the shows, all the rehearsals canceled until further notice.
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So I'm, I'm here with, with our daughter with our three year old daughter.
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Oh, you have a three year old daughter.
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Congratulations.
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Do you have any other kids? Just the three year old girl? No, no, just, Just her.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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She is amazing.
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So now that I think my, most of my efforts are to, you know, to keep this bubble of, you know, of warmth and nice activities because there are no, There's no kindergarten, you know, so so everything's been put on hold.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Pretty much.
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So when you say help, helping when the artists are going there to entertain and.
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Give comfort to the people from the South.
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Are you talking about? Refugees from Gaza, or are you talking about Israelis or both? Okay.
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Yeah.
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So I I think, yeah, to make it clear for, for those who, yeah, hear the news and are not deeply involved in this, because we get, I don't think we get a lot of accuracy over here.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I can't tell you unfortunately the things that are so clear from our perspective, it's all so numb.
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complex.
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But you know, this current war situation began when there was a very cruel Hamas attack on on civilians in the southern border, the border with Gaza.
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So in a very cruel attack and our army somehow wasn't prepared enough for this kind of attack.
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And and the terrorists could, you know, break the.
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The fans, the border and invaded towns and just massacred and also took hostages.
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There are like around 200 people kidnapped children and families in Gaza right now.
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So people from these towns, the survivors were evacuated to other places.
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And shelters and, and the, these are the places where some artists go and, you know, and and entertain.
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I see.
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Okay.
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I guess they, they have moved, they've been moved to a safer place and we in Israel, we don't have any contact to Palestinians in Gaza.
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Of course, the situation there is terrible because of.
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Israeli bombing, so they have their refugees and there's some relief in the fact that I heard also in the news that the UN succeeded to create some, some refugee tents and some areas so people can be safe because because these bombings are very cruel as well to civilians.
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And so the, but we don't have contact with them and just to make the situation even more complex.
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I can just say that there are not only Jews, of course, in Israel.
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There are Palestinian Israelis, Israeli citizens that they don't live in the West Bank, they don't live in Gaza, but they are Palestinians and they are Israeli citizens.
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So imagine the situation that you are some of these Israeli Arabs, Israeli Palestinians have been injured or killed by these attacks.
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Some of these Palestinians.
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have families in Gaza.
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So they are being attacked and then part of their families are being bombed.
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And now if you show any identification or empathy towards Palestinian civilians being bombed or being injured.
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You are treated with with criticism because in, in, in the public now, they don't want to hear about freedom to Palestine.
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Right.
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And we have a government.
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Led and ruled by extreme rightists that don't see even Palestinians as, as, as human beings.
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So so there's a lot of racism going on that, that increases the confusion.
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Yeah, so that is a very sad situation.
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Yeah, we are.
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We are deeply depressed here.
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I feel more depressed than I have been.
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I think during this conflict, you always have, you know.
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In my work as an artist, you know, whether it's theatre or independent theatre maker, I try to see myself in a way as an activist to work and collaborate with Palestinians and Israelis as much as I can, which is Thank you.
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Mostly with with the Israeli Palestinians, right? Because we cannot really collaborate with those in the, in the West Bank or Gaza, but I can just tell you about 1 project that that we did just a year ago.
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It was a.
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We created a group of, of Palestinian Israeli artists an adaptation of Romeo and Juliet in Arabic and Hebrew, and there was, it was such a unique experience, even a therapeutic experience in a way for us to meet together.
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Some of the crew, some of the people haven't worked with, with, with artists from the other side of the narrative and collaborating and acting in in Hebrew and Arabic.
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And we also toured with this production to Germany to a few cities.
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And it was such a special feeling that we, we felt that we bring some hope for a different perspective for a different future.
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And we show the world even that, that.
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People are people.
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And when there's love and there's hope, and we want to, to spread love and not hate, something can change.
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And with this situation going now or going on now, we, we have a WhatsApp group and we, we try to keep in touch and here if everybody's safe and all that.
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And there's there's a lot of depression, this experience.
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All of a sudden, it looks so far away, and it's...
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That's if in a fantasy, the, the experience of Romeo and Juliet and the lottery that you've had there, you know, yeah, of the hope.
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So you, you really don't know what's going to happen next and if there's a hope for, for a change in this area.
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Yeah.
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You know, the only thing I can relate to 9 11, but we're a much bigger country.
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So most of us didn't know anybody in that disaster.
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But we had a similar thing, you know, we had a very right wing government and even all the left wing government officials decided to exact revenge, you know, on Iraq and Afghanistan claiming it wasn't revenge.
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But it was because there was so much anger that's not my 1st response.
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It sounds like it's not yours.
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So it's painful to watch.
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Gosh, I'm getting all I'm getting tearing up.
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Just talking about it.
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I feel really bad for you.
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And all and all of your and everyone there, you know it's really affected me.
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I try to, I try to get a balanced view.
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I watch, I watch like CNN and ABC news, you know, our main stations.
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And then I switch over and I watch Al Jazeera and then I see there's people suffering horribly everywhere.
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Innocent people have nothing who are just trying to live.
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Those are the people who suffer and the people with the power never do.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And.
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Everyone's the same.
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Everyone has children.
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Everyone wants to just live their life and love their families and do the best they can.
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And it's not, it's not going to be allowed, you know.
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Yeah, I totally feel that these feelings are all these questions are here in the air among people I talk with and I cannot in any way judge people, the anger on the will for revenge of people in grief, you know, people who lost their loved ones.
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But this is always a question.
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And there's a famous poem by a Palestinian poet, Mahmoud Darwish, who says, excuse me for paraphrasing, something like, in the end, the war will end and the leaders will shake their hands.
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Yes, but the, the old mother will still wait for her dead son and the wife will still wait for her beloved husband and the children will still wait for their hero father.
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I don't know.
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He says who sold whose land to whom, but I know who paid the price.
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Oh, God.
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Yeah.
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So true.
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That's a very, very true when it's very impactful.
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And yeah.
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The crucible, you are going to do the crucible and now you're not that it's on hold.
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Maybe you'll be able to do it again.
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Yeah, sort of an apropos play for what's happening right now.
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It's too bad.
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You can't do it.
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Actually, I thought about this idea because, you know before this war began, we were in the middle of protests against our government's behavior.
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I mentioned before that there are real extremists and I think you know, the word.
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Hundreds of thousands of people going to the streets to protest against actions, which might change the way this state acts and behaves, you know, a lot of laws to weaken the Supreme Court to give more power to the government, which could.
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Might even not be you know we might not even be able to balance this power or to criticize this power.
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So it's, it's getting out of territories of democracy in the territories of dictatorship.
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So I think, you know, when you speak, when you, when you think about the crucible.
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And the way people are being, you know, brainwashed towards, you know, black and right, and these are the enemies, and this is the justice, and, and the result is the opposite.
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The result is, is is hatred, is cruelty, and so against this wave I think there, there must be a reaction.
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Yes, yes, it's, you know, we, we have a similar thing going on here, even Joe Biden now, who is the Democrat when it, when push comes to shove you know, he's going to stick with your, your right wing government, make no criticism at all, give them, we're giving more money than over the 6 billion or whatever we give something like that every year now.
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And he's just doing it on his own, you know the president of the United States I want, I want him to help push for peace, but that's, that's not what's happening.
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I don't know what else to say.
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It's just it's so sad, you know, so when I was a kid growing up.
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The things that scared the hell out of me were Vietnam, the Vietnam war, because I was afraid I was going to have to go.
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Fortunately, it ended a few years before that happened and conflict in the Middle East.
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And, and this constant fear I had that it was going to cause another world war and, and now I'm 62 years old and it's still, it's still the thing.
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You know, what's the solution? How, how, how is peace going to happen? Do you have any idea? I can't think of one.
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Yeah, it's, it's terrible to think that generation after generation, people grew up in side this conflict.
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And when I think about Palestinian children, yeah, since 67 before, you know, the conflict began and there were, yeah, but, but.
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Under occupation in Gaza, in the West Bank, children are grow up with this situation as a reality.
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Soldiers...
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Riots you know not being able to have freedom of movement and sometimes very rough conditions.
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And this is what they know.
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This is what they know of, of, of Jews and Israelis, you know, soldiers and guns and there's hatred and there's suffering.
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And now with years of settlement being encouraged and buildings, so you can see year after year that the solution is just getting farther away because the way even to make a solution on the map is harder because this is what the extremists want, the settlers, they want to create, you know one bunch of territory, which would be covered with Israeli settler, with Jewish settlements.
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So the Palestinians couldn't divide and have their own territories.
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And right now they kind of pretty much rule these areas.
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And they sometimes chase Palestinians from their lands and, you know from the fields and they act with a lot of violence, not limited by Israeli army, sometimes encouraged by Israeli army.
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So it's kind of it's, it's, it's a wild West there.
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Yeah, I heard they turn the, they turn a blank eye, you know, they don't really pay attention.
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They just let it happen.
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Yeah, don't stop the occupation.
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So the piece looks more far away.
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Yesterday I was watching the news, Arab news and I saw some settlers, yesterday, went to, were in the West Bank, and they just decided to go to some Arab home and shoot it up, for apparently no reason whatsoever I don't really understand, I guess this is a religious thing, the settlements, they believe that they should, Have this land in its entirety based on thousands of years ago.
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Is that basically, I think it's a combination.
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It's like a nationalism and religion combined and, and they have the, you know, the, the agenda that's very clear agenda of, of taking over, you know, the whole territory.
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And to chase away Palestinians, so what are the economies like out there? So, if you move into these settlements, like, what do people do to make money and live? And are there towns where there's Palestinians and Israelis coming together to do commerce or how does all that work? I don't know much, but I, from what I know, there's a lot of money going there from the government, from, you know, very powerful people to, to support this settlements.
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And for instance, when you have a new settlement according to the law, not just international law, but also the law in Israel, still the Supreme Court might say this is a.
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private Palestinian property in this area, you cannot build a settlement there.
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But then the state somehow you know, avoids and this thing do happen in the, in the field, and then there's a lot of money going there.
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And then you have money going for, you know, roads and infrastructure.
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And you have to send.
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People, you know, the army guards and with guns to secure a lot of money going to, you know, for security and all that.
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And when you have a Palestinian new village, let's say in a place, which most of the time supposed to be in their own private, you know, territory or, or government usually.
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You, you don't get approvals, you know, for buildings and, you know, to, to expand the village, let's say, so they, they limit it more and more, or you have something, you know, blocks and borders to limit the movement, to limit the expansion, you know, the expanding of Palestinian villages, sometimes, you know, because of the violence, they chase them away and then they, get control.
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And they you see a lot of plants plantations of olive trees, old hundreds of years old, if trees being, being, being cut by settlers, you know, vandalism, they got, they cut the Palestinian fields and then they, they want to, you know, to, or to take over these fields.
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Sometimes cynically you see you know, Palestinians that they need work.
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So they go and work in the settler's fields, they go to work to build the settler's houses.
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I see.
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So this is the, the, you know, the few, the, the little that I know, a lot of, a lot of injustice, a lot of Injustice is going on there, and nobody, nobody really stops it.
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I, I know some lawyers that I admire, you know, human rights lawyers that are fighting for the freedom of movement, for the freedom of, of, of the rights of Palestinian, their of, of building, of being, of just being there.
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Of having their water, because sometimes the settlers or the army are blocking wells of water, so they will not have what to drink and they will have to go away.
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Is it true that that's happening in Gaza? Now we're getting reports here that Israel has turned off the water for Gaza.
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Is that actually true? I can't say officially, you know, I know, I know as much as you know, but but I, I, I won't be surprised.
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Because of what I've seen before, I won't be surprised if the it's, if, if it, if I hear that it's only due to the American pressure, the Biden's pressure that the Israeli government allowed, you know, hu humanitarian support and, and supply.
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Unfortunately, I, I've lost.
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Confidence and you know trust in my government.
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That's they will be as small as I expect them to be.
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Thank you so much.
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And now back to my conversation with Dory Engel.
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Yeah, well, we have this, not, we don't have it at the same level as you do right now, but the same thing going on here, you know, with Trumpism and make America great again.
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And I don't know to what extent you've heard about all this, but It's quite, it's been quite a nightmare.
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Families not speaking to one another anymore.
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All kinds of violence and Trump's still get having half the votes in the United States.
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It looks like if there was an election now, it would be close.
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And here he is charged with 91 felonies or misdemeanors and indictments and like a gangster is running for president.
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Yeah.
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Sounds pretty close to what we, we see in our Parliament.
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Yeah, it's very depressing.
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Yeah, it is.
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It is.
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1 thing that you said that I think a lot of Americans don't realize is that there are a lot of Israeli citizens who are Palestinian in Israel.
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I don't think a lot of Americans know that.
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Yeah.
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And so just like you said, just imagine how tormenting that must be for them for their.
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And they all, probably most of them have family right over the border.
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Yeah, I can't imagine myself how, how tormenting it must be.
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And they are torn identity.
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And you know, the, yeah, I can't imagine what they're going through.
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You know, I met Arthur Miller once really? Yeah.
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He there's a lot of noise here that we're getting our roof replaced.
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Hopefully it's not going to ruin the recording.
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I put the noise suppression on zoom.
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So hopefully that'll work.
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But, yeah, we had to because we had all this rain and it was raining in the house.
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So we're getting a new room.
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But yeah, about 25, about 20 or 25 years ago, he came to a university here, San Jose state.
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And they had an Arthur Miller, 2 weeks of Arthur Miller shows and all and he came for a few days and I stood in line.
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I was the last in line.
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It was hours and I got to the front and we talked for about 10 minutes.
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Because I had done Death of a Salesman, I had played Biff, like, or just...
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A little bit before that.
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And and he went to the performance.
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He saw you.
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No, no, he didn't.
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But, but we, but he was there signing autographs that I was the last person in line.
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There was hundreds of people and he was who's finally done and he signed my.
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Copy of a view from the bridge and and we, we talked for about 10 minutes.
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We talked about death of a salesman.
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We talked about his, I don't even remember, but did you get some insights from, From him about, About death of a salesman? Not really, not really.
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I had known so much about it.
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I mean, I knew that he had written the first act in like a week and, you know I was just kind of dumbfounded.
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I mean, it was so long ago.
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I can't remember exactly what we talked about.
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it went on for about 10 minutes.
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What an experience.
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Yeah, and one of this is a silly thing, but, you know, he was married to Marilyn Monroe and all I had ever seen of that were pictures of him and Marilyn Monroe.
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And he looked like such a bookish nerdy guy.
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And I was like, what is Marilyn Monroe? The most beautiful woman on earth, you know, marry this guy.
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And then when I met him.
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He's like, so, he's like 6'2 super strong and muscular and like, extremely like, virile, and I'm like, okay, I get it now.
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He wasn't this super nerdy guy that I thought, which would have been fine too, but.
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I was always as a kid, I was, I was like, well, how could she have married and look at they don't fit together.
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And then I, I met him and I had completely the wrong impression.
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And I guess, I know that sounds silly, but yeah, you can add to it the charm and the intelligence and all that.
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So, exactly all those other things.
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Then it all made sense to me, you know because for some reason I had this picture of him, sort of like a recluse introverted, mindset.
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Got, you know, that's wasn't what he was at all.
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Yeah, yeah, that was that was a great experience.
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So, so when you did Romeo and Juliet with the cast of Israeli and Palestinian people.
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And that's what it was.
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I got that.
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Did you, did you were the Montagues and Capulets? Were they mixed in terms of national affiliations or did you have like Israelis on 1 side and Palestinians on the other or how did yeah, I, I divided it really to size because it was part of what I wanted to say with display the, I saw display as yeah.
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First and foremost as a love of two young people from two sides of a political conflict.
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Okay.
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A bloody political conflict.
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People are dying for both sides.
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It's danger.
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It's dangerous to, you know, to climb on the wall.
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And go to the balcony of, of, of Juliet and so she says, you know, they will kill you.
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And he says, you know, I don't mind.
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I love you.
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Right.
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The danger is there and seeing it from the perspective of our narratives, identities the conflict, it kind of shed new light.
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And this is.
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What the, you know, the link that I wanted to make, you know, the, the, is there hope for love, for life, for innocence in a bloody area and situation, you know, if people, you know, just.
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You know, promoting hate and death is it possible for a flower to bloom in a graveyard? So, and Romeo was Palestinian and, and all Montagues spoke Arabic and Juliet was Jewish, Israeli, and the whole couple spoke Hebrew.
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And when they, when they met, we kind of played with, with both languages.
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So they.
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We found a way that they could, you know, without changing Shakespeare's words, we switched between Arabic and Hebrew, so because they love each other, they understand each other.
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How wonderful.
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Wow.
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So, do, do audience, do audiences understand both languages on, for the most part? So in Israel, we, we performed our home theater is the Jaffa theater.
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Jaffa is next to, is a town next to Tel Aviv.
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And there's an amazing place called the Arab Hebrew theater.
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It's one of the very few and unique places where you have collaborations.
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and performances in Arabic and Hebrew.
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So most of the Jewish Israelis, unfortunately, including myself, have very poor Arabic.
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Because they don't teach us in schools Arabic enough and most of the Arabs, Israeli citizens, Palestinian Israeli citizens, they speak both languages because their first language is Arabic, but then they learn and they have to know Hebrew in order to live and work in Israel.
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Yeah.
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So most of our audience, you know, the, the Arab side knew both languages and Jewish side knew mostly Hebrew.
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So we used subtitles with both languages.
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Yeah.
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On a board on the wall on the, above the stage.
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Yeah.
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What you call subtitles, right? Yeah.
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That actually is good.
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And when we performed abroad in Germany so we just had, you know German translation from, for all the texts and, you know, most of the audience also know the story so they can follow.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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It's not too hard to follow because it's such a well known story.
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I went to there's a company in Paris called Theater in Paris, and they do mostly French plays, but they put English titles for all the English speaking people that come in for so many years.
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I was thinking, oh, someone needs to do this.
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This is a market here.
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That's not being tapped.
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And then someone did it.
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My wife is from France.
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So I spent a lot of time back and forth.
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Yeah, it's pretty, pretty neat.
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I've been to a number of their productions and it's great.
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Sometimes they get away with it just by doing shows that don't have a lot of language like I saw a mime tango.
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They're doing mime, you know, and tango and they weren't talking much.
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Yeah, it was incredible.
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Absolutely incredible.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Everybody gets Mime and Tango, you know, so yeah, it's really cool.
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There's this, Famous school of Jacques Lecoq, the tradition of of Jacques Lecoq in, in Paris that I, I really find very, Yeah, I've heard of this.
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I don't remember what it is.
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What is it? So I think he he started a school maybe in the fifties or earlier of mine and physical theater and they're committed a lot.
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And you know, this is a tradition, you know, goes.
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Back from Jean Louis Barrault and competing with Marcel Marceau.
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He has this, he has this school and it's so actually one of my teachers in in Tel Aviv when I started acting was studied with, with both.
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So he told us a little bit about you know, the competition then they one of his teachers maybe you heard this name.
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Yeah.
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He, he, I think he opened the school in, in in London for, for a few years.
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And then he moved back to Paris.
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as a famous French director and also teacher keeps this tradition of you know out of masks, you know, very physical.
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And so yeah, it's, it's, it's reminded me on the, this mime tango.
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There's so, there's so much of that in France.
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There are, actually there are very few like regular straight plays.
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It's a lot of this hybrid sort of performance with.
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Mime and dance and they seem to prefer that.
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When I was a kid, Marcel Marceau was so popular in the United States.
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He was on TV here all the time in the sixties and seventies.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I remember as well that there were a lot of of, you know, performances on TV and he was a star.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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All the way through the eighties and even in the nineties, I think he came out my childhood was pretty much in the eighties.
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So he yeah, he was very famous.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And you, you perform a lot of comedies.
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Is this right? I saw some, some of it, you know, some of the publicity.
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Well, well, I mean, I've done I've been doing a lot of musical theater, but I also do just regular plays.
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I had a theater company here for a number of years with some people.
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I'm not involved in it anymore.
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And I, I was when I was, That was my main focus when I went to right now.
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I'm just auditioning.
374
00:35:21,95.055 --> 00:35:25,435.055
Part of the problem is, I'm, I'm in the actors union here and.
375
00:35:26,365.055 --> 00:35:29,195.055
We've had so many political changes.
376
00:35:30,165.055 --> 00:35:39,435.055
There's this the idea of inclusion, which kind of means old white guys like me are currently excluded.
377
00:35:41,855.055 --> 00:35:48,325.055
So, yeah, it's complex when you have, you know, the wind of change and you still say, okay, I cannot change.
378
00:35:49,70.055 --> 00:35:53,490.055
Who I am, I also, I also want to work exactly.
379
00:35:54,300.055 --> 00:35:59,450.054
I mean, I was resentful for a while because I had always been like you.
380
00:35:59,530.055 --> 00:36:07,750.055
I'd always been on the forefront of wanting to include wanting to give everybody the love and the opportunity.
381
00:36:07,750.055 --> 00:36:08,930.055
And I always push for that.
382
00:36:08,950.055 --> 00:36:12,700.055
And then all of a sudden, I'm the bad person, you know, like, wait a minute.
383
00:36:13,810.055 --> 00:36:14,580.055
No, I'm not.
384
00:36:16,200.055 --> 00:36:18,300.054
But I mean, I'm just.
385
00:36:18,795.055 --> 00:36:21,785.055
Things are starting to change again and get a little bit more balanced.
386
00:36:21,935.055 --> 00:36:25,485.055
So I have some hope, but I'm writing a right now.
387
00:36:25,485.055 --> 00:36:27,85.0545
I'm writing a 1 man show.
388
00:36:27,85.0545 --> 00:36:56,970.055
I had a great grand uncle who from Italy who came to the United States and tried to become a famous singer and he didn't see himself as successful, but he wrote a memoir and I went to Italy and I found the memoir in the library and I copied it and I had heard that he had written this memoir because I found a book that somebody had Written about Italian singers from the early 20th century who had written memoirs and he was in there.
389
00:36:57,10.055 --> 00:36:58,370.055
This was my great grand uncle.
390
00:36:58,390.055 --> 00:37:05,120.055
So I got the his memoir and I write, I just, I translated it from Italian to English.
391
00:37:05,130.054 --> 00:37:07,470.055
And now I'm writing the show.
392
00:37:08,560.055 --> 00:37:11,110.055
Wow, that sounds very interesting, actually.
393
00:37:12,190.055 --> 00:37:13,460.055
I'm really excited about it.
394
00:37:14,230.055 --> 00:37:18,690.055
And also you mentioned that you're, you're involved a lot in musical theater.
395
00:37:18,760.055 --> 00:37:20,480.055
So to make a musical show about.
396
00:37:21,865.055 --> 00:37:22,675.055
His life.
397
00:37:22,895.055 --> 00:37:23,245.055
Yes.
398
00:37:23,285.055 --> 00:37:28,505.055
And it's even more interesting that he wasn't like a great star, right? It's better that way.
399
00:37:28,795.055 --> 00:37:31,315.055
Yeah, because he was so disappointed with himself.
400
00:37:33,235.054 --> 00:37:33,515.054
Yeah.
401
00:37:33,565.054 --> 00:37:33,965.054
Yeah.
402
00:37:33,995.055 --> 00:37:44,985.055
And also, like, it's very humane, right? It's very, you can identify with it with so many things in there that identify with and this is like, oh, my God, this is my relative.
403
00:37:45,705.055 --> 00:37:47,625.055
And we're experiencing some, I never knew him.
404
00:37:47,645.055 --> 00:37:48,635.055
I could have known him.
405
00:37:49,225.055 --> 00:37:50,945.055
He lived in San Francisco.
406
00:37:50,985.055 --> 00:37:51,905.055
I think when I was.
407
00:37:52,690.055 --> 00:38:04,50.055
A little boy, and then he moved to New York, but because my great grandmother gave him the fare to take the boat ride over the United States.
408
00:38:04,410.055 --> 00:38:08,620.055
No, from France, because he was in France for a little while to Italy to San Francisco.
409
00:38:08,870.055 --> 00:38:16,240.055
And, but he left San Francisco and went to New York because there wasn't enough opportunity for singers here.
410
00:38:16,240.055 --> 00:38:17,880.055
He wanted to be big time.
411
00:38:20,435.055 --> 00:38:28,875.055
Yeah, it's, and then the last part of the memoir is him, he's, I think he got kind of cynical and he seems kind of fascist.
412
00:38:28,915.055 --> 00:38:32,595.055
He was like, so there's 2 sides of his personality.
413
00:38:32,615.055 --> 00:38:41,485.055
The other 1 was like, he seemed to be, he says things that seem to be in support of Hitler and Mussolini, which I found kind of like, at first, like, whoa.
414
00:38:42,135.055 --> 00:38:42,555.055
Yeah.
415
00:38:44,0.055 --> 00:38:48,210.055
I don't it didn't sound like you knew about the terrible things they were doing.
416
00:38:48,910.055 --> 00:38:49,600.055
I don't know.
417
00:38:49,870.055 --> 00:38:51,780.055
That's going to be hard to write that part.
418
00:38:51,820.055 --> 00:38:54,930.055
But yeah, and it's hard to be on the front of you.
419
00:38:55,300.054 --> 00:39:11,330.054
What's that? Yeah, I think it must be also interesting because you're as we, as we see as actors that the interesting roles are those that you don't tend to understand so much.
420
00:39:11,460.055 --> 00:39:15,70.054
You don't agree with the choice, but then you can see the voyage.
421
00:39:15,405.055 --> 00:39:21,125.055
That's, I don't know, some kind of anger and pain made him identify with a fascist movement.
422
00:39:21,305.055 --> 00:39:21,785.055
Exactly.
423
00:39:21,785.055 --> 00:39:27,15.054
It's kind of you can judge it, but you can still kind of, you know, be curious about it.
424
00:39:27,315.055 --> 00:39:35,695.054
Yeah, you have to be curious as a performer, right? You can't, I mean, in your personal life, you might make judgments, but then when you're doing the, when you're doing it.
425
00:39:36,380.055 --> 00:39:37,320.055
You gotta be it.
426
00:39:37,500.055 --> 00:39:38,480.055
You gotta be the guy.
427
00:39:38,490.055 --> 00:39:42,160.055
And most people don't wake up thinking I am a fascist.
428
00:39:42,160.055 --> 00:39:44,20.055
I am going to destroy the world.
429
00:39:44,20.055 --> 00:39:45,870.055
I know the good guys.
430
00:39:46,80.055 --> 00:39:46,860.055
Exactly.
431
00:39:46,990.055 --> 00:39:48,730.055
Everybody thinks they're the good guys.
432
00:39:50,385.055 --> 00:40:00,765.055
For the most part, unless they're nuts, what you got to sing in this so, so he actually recorded 2 of his songs and put them on a record.
433
00:40:00,775.055 --> 00:40:03,395.054
So I have those and I digitize them.
434
00:40:03,405.055 --> 00:40:08,345.054
So, and I cleaned up some of the static, but not all of it because I like.
435
00:40:08,985.055 --> 00:40:09,605.054
I like it.
436
00:40:10,95.055 --> 00:40:16,235.055
Yeah, and I might sing along with it, or I might sing, let him, he'll be singing part of it.
437
00:40:16,235.055 --> 00:40:18,75.055
And then maybe I'll come in and sing the rest.
438
00:40:18,805.055 --> 00:40:25,965.055
You know and then he also wrote about a number of songs that are in his memoir and they're interspersed all over throughout the memoir.
439
00:40:26,555.055 --> 00:40:28,175.055
I don't have the music for them.
440
00:40:28,205.055 --> 00:40:44,135.055
I don't know what they sounded like, but I'm probably going to work with a musician to come up with some music for it that would fit the words and then and in an Italian sort of style of the time and.
441
00:40:45,210.055 --> 00:40:49,440.055
You can also add, Like hits from the period, you know, Italian hits or something.
442
00:40:49,460.055 --> 00:40:50,760.055
Yeah, theatrical.
443
00:40:50,910.055 --> 00:40:52,380.055
Yeah, for sure.
444
00:40:52,470.055 --> 00:40:52,920.055
Yeah.
445
00:40:53,160.055 --> 00:40:55,200.055
And there's all these interesting characters.
446
00:40:55,440.055 --> 00:40:58,50.055
I mean, right now I'm writing it as a one man show.
447
00:40:58,830.055 --> 00:41:02,270.055
But maybe I'll, I might, I might expand that.
448
00:41:02,270.055 --> 00:41:06,515.055
Have you ever seen flea bag? No, I heard about it.
449
00:41:06,655.055 --> 00:41:08,785.055
Oh, I heard about it so much, but I haven't seen it.
450
00:41:09,85.055 --> 00:41:12,965.055
You can actually see the, the stage performance of it.
451
00:41:12,965.055 --> 00:41:17,325.055
So there's a TV series she, that she got from it, which was great.
452
00:41:17,335.055 --> 00:41:19,695.054
You know, it's like eight, eight to 10 episodes.
453
00:41:20,615.054 --> 00:41:28,825.055
And it pretty much follows the story of her one person show, but I've seen both her doing the one person show and, and the TV series.
454
00:41:28,835.055 --> 00:41:31,465.055
It's kind of what gave me the idea to do this.
455
00:41:32,175.055 --> 00:41:32,555.055
Yeah.
456
00:41:35,275.055 --> 00:41:38,935.055
Sounds like a kind of a show that I'd like to see.
457
00:41:39,735.055 --> 00:41:40,105.055
Yeah.
458
00:41:40,115.055 --> 00:41:42,755.055
I've always admired all the incredible things that you do.
459
00:41:42,755.055 --> 00:41:46,485.055
It was like going on Facebook and hitting translate.
460
00:41:46,495.055 --> 00:41:53,335.054
If you put it in Hebrew and you always do all these really cool ideas all the time.
461
00:41:53,335.055 --> 00:41:53,925.055
It's so great.
462
00:41:53,925.055 --> 00:41:56,655.055
I'm much into Shakespeare as you may know.
463
00:41:56,705.055 --> 00:42:01,75.055
I know you kind of making different ways.
464
00:42:01,75.055 --> 00:42:01,295.055
Yeah.
465
00:42:01,755.055 --> 00:42:07,945.055
To find different ways of making a dialogue with with his writings, but I'm trying, you know, I'm trying to initiate.
466
00:42:07,945.055 --> 00:42:10,75.055
I'm an independent theater maker.
467
00:42:10,95.055 --> 00:42:11,615.055
Most of what I do is independent.
468
00:42:11,635.055 --> 00:42:19,835.054
So I, I try to create, you know, the, there's the pros and cons, right? So the pros are that you can do things you.
469
00:42:20,200.055 --> 00:42:21,910.055
You dream of doing.
470
00:42:22,420.055 --> 00:42:28,60.055
And the cones, we know that, right? That you don't have the money and you don't have, you can make a liman of it.
471
00:42:28,420.055 --> 00:42:29,445.055
And there's no money.
472
00:42:29,445.055 --> 00:42:32,445.055
The time, the the i You have to be everything.
473
00:42:32,445.055 --> 00:42:34,65.055
You have to do everything.
474
00:42:34,455.055 --> 00:42:35,55.055
Exactly.
475
00:42:36,385.055 --> 00:42:40,645.055
I, I'm sort of switching into becoming more of an independent theater maker myself.
476
00:42:40,645.055 --> 00:42:45,765.055
I'm having, I'm not having an easy time changing psychologically, but that's kind of where it's going.
477
00:42:45,765.055 --> 00:42:54,935.055
And I'm getting older, so I mean, As soon as I got in my 60s, I started count, it's like, you start counting the days, like, oh man.
478
00:42:56,190.055 --> 00:43:09,680.055
What was it like with with your company? Because it's something I, I haven't done yet, but I, I really think of doing of, you know, having an independent company of something small that you can create your own things in many ways.
479
00:43:09,690.055 --> 00:43:10,770.055
It was wonderful.
480
00:43:11,320.055 --> 00:43:12,860.055
I started it with a few other people.
481
00:43:13,360.055 --> 00:43:20,920.055
Like, there was, like, 8 of us who started it, and then there was just, like, 2 of us, or 3 who were there after 15 years.
482
00:43:22,90.055 --> 00:43:25,550.055
It was wonderful until it became extremely politicized.
483
00:43:26,130.055 --> 00:43:29,770.055
People from the outside coming in, changing everything.
484
00:43:31,270.055 --> 00:43:37,850.055
Kicking me out ridiculous reasons that, so that's the problem.
485
00:43:37,970.055 --> 00:43:41,920.055
I mean, at first, you know, you'll start, it's very ideal idealized.
486
00:43:41,950.055 --> 00:43:52,760.054
You have these great ideas and everyone's on board and, and it tends to happen with every small organization, you know, there's like, at first it's wonderful.
487
00:43:52,780.055 --> 00:44:04,130.054
And then as you get bigger and your reach grows and you have people with other ideas, then it ends up, then it just like, so it ends up like any other institution.
488
00:44:05,70.055 --> 00:44:21,120.055
Where you can still do great work, but then you have a lot of, you know, people trying to force their will and ideas, politics and every it's almost inevitable.
489
00:44:21,570.054 --> 00:44:21,960.054
Yeah.
490
00:44:22,320.055 --> 00:44:22,840.055
Yeah.
491
00:44:23,310.055 --> 00:44:24,120.054
That's all I can say.
492
00:44:24,120.054 --> 00:44:30,580.055
I mean, so I'd say go for it, but just, you know, try to.
493
00:44:31,830.055 --> 00:44:33,860.055
I mean, if I were to look back, it would be better.
494
00:44:34,180.055 --> 00:44:35,970.055
Keep it as small as possible.
495
00:44:38,920.055 --> 00:44:41,540.055
Once you start growing, it's just things get weird.
496
00:44:42,200.054 --> 00:44:46,560.055
Yeah, that's that's the human condition.
497
00:44:46,560.055 --> 00:44:46,910.055
I guess.
498
00:44:47,40.055 --> 00:44:52,360.055
Do you have to get going there? Yeah, that's what my kid was.
499
00:44:52,570.056 --> 00:44:53,110.056
So I might, yeah.
500
00:44:55,450.056 --> 00:45:04,450.056
But it was really great talking with you because, yeah, it has been so, so many years now and it's nice to catch up on what you're doing also as well.
501
00:45:04,530.056 --> 00:45:05,720.056
So it's interesting for me.
502
00:45:05,720.056 --> 00:45:12,50.055
It was also a moment of, you know, not thinking just about the situation here, but also about, you know, art and ideas.
503
00:45:12,50.155 --> 00:45:14,100.056
So it was very fun.
504
00:45:14,480.056 --> 00:45:16,60.056
It was great talking to you, Dory.
505
00:45:16,150.056 --> 00:45:20,80.056
I mean, our time there at Rada, I think about it all the time.
506
00:45:20,110.056 --> 00:45:25,700.055
It was just one of the most for me, it was one of the most, like, incredible times of my life.
507
00:45:25,760.056 --> 00:45:27,430.056
I mean, I don't know.
508
00:45:27,430.056 --> 00:45:28,990.054
I just I loved it so much.
509
00:45:29,505.055 --> 00:45:30,135.055
For me too.
510
00:45:30,135.055 --> 00:45:30,495.055
Yeah.
511
00:45:30,500.055 --> 00:45:34,235.055
It was, yeah, it was such an inspiring experience.
512
00:45:34,235.055 --> 00:45:37,975.055
And also the people, you know just, you know it, yeah.
513
00:45:38,95.055 --> 00:45:39,895.055
I take it with me also.
514
00:45:40,15.055 --> 00:45:40,435.055
Me too.
515
00:45:40,440.055 --> 00:45:45,505.055
I'm always carry it with me and everyone was so talented and passionate about it.
516
00:45:45,615.055 --> 00:45:46,455.055
It's just amazing.
517
00:45:46,725.055 --> 00:45:47,295.055
It's just amazing.
518
00:45:47,295.055 --> 00:45:52,665.055
There was one meeting that we, we did a little, just a short zoom meeting.
519
00:45:52,815.055 --> 00:45:54,485.055
I think you weren't there during the covid.
520
00:45:55,375.055 --> 00:46:01,135.055
Somewhere during the Covid period, and we have to do it again because, you know, not enough people were there.
521
00:46:01,465.055 --> 00:46:02,875.055
And just to say hello to each other again.
522
00:46:03,505.055 --> 00:46:06,145.055
Oh, and I, maybe I didn't know or I couldn't make it or something.
523
00:46:07,35.055 --> 00:46:09,135.055
We, we still have this Facebook group.
524
00:46:09,140.055 --> 00:46:10,735.055
We should we should write there.
525
00:46:11,165.055 --> 00:46:11,735.055
Yeah.
526
00:46:11,795.055 --> 00:46:16,445.055
So once, once in a while someone puts something down, we definitely should, and this will go up there for sure.
527
00:46:16,445.055 --> 00:46:16,535.055
Cool.
528
00:46:17,375.055 --> 00:46:21,955.055
I, I, I went to Los Angeles about about right before.
529
00:46:22,315.055 --> 00:46:27,815.055
About four years ago, and I met with every ever almost everyone who's down there.
530
00:46:27,815.055 --> 00:46:28,985.055
We all met at a bar.
531
00:46:28,995.055 --> 00:46:29,985.055
Oh, nice.
532
00:46:30,205.055 --> 00:46:34,455.055
Yes Yeah, I think you also you you wrote something.
533
00:46:34,595.055 --> 00:46:35,465.055
I saw a picture.
534
00:46:35,565.055 --> 00:46:36,75.055
Yeah.
535
00:46:36,165.054 --> 00:46:49,315.055
Yeah Yeah, I think everyone got there except maybe Chris Yeah, and there was like, you know, there was like seven or eight of them of the people in our class Yeah, it was wonderful.
536
00:46:49,495.055 --> 00:46:50,45.055
Yeah.
537
00:46:50,105.055 --> 00:46:54,570.055
Yeah all right, well, maybe we should do this on a regular basis.
538
00:46:54,600.055 --> 00:47:01,50.055
Like, what's every a couple of months or something? I was sure I'd love to be updated with with things that you do.
539
00:47:01,180.054 --> 00:47:02,710.055
And also this 1 man show.
540
00:47:02,750.055 --> 00:47:03,810.054
I love to hear about it.
541
00:47:03,970.054 --> 00:47:04,240.054
Yeah.
542
00:47:04,240.055 --> 00:47:04,970.0545
And same.
543
00:47:04,970.0545 --> 00:47:06,760.055
I definitely want to know what you're doing.
544
00:47:07,140.055 --> 00:47:09,270.054
And I hope you can start doing stuff again soon.
545
00:47:09,340.054 --> 00:47:13,194.955
And I really, really hope and pray that, you know, Thank you.
546
00:47:13,965.055 --> 00:47:20,95.055
What's happening in your area, it just resolves without more catastrophe.
547
00:47:20,105.055 --> 00:47:22,315.055
I just I'm my heart goes out to you.
548
00:47:22,825.054 --> 00:47:23,155.054
Thanks.
549
00:47:23,375.055 --> 00:47:24,105.055
Thanks very much.
550
00:47:24,115.054 --> 00:47:25,745.055
We hope it will end very soon.
551
00:47:26,295.055 --> 00:47:31,495.055
And let's hope and, okay, thank you.
552
00:47:32,475.055 --> 00:47:33,125.055
Yeah, thanks.
553
00:47:34,895.055 --> 00:47:40,575.055
Could you send me a a short, like a bio or something, so I can Yeah, yeah, sure.
554
00:47:40,985.054 --> 00:47:45,675.054
Alright, in English if I Yeah, of course, no problem.
555
00:47:45,705.055 --> 00:47:46,935.055
I'm just kidding, of course you would.
556
00:47:48,165.055 --> 00:47:49,445.055
Yes, I have something.
557
00:47:49,485.055 --> 00:47:57,860.055
I see the Hebrew, it looks like hieroglyphics to me, I'm like, oh my god, how does anybody read that? Okay, cool.
558
00:47:57,860.055 --> 00:47:58,700.055
Yeah, I'll do that.
559
00:47:58,705.055 --> 00:48:00,440.055
I'll, I'll try to do it to today even.
560
00:48:00,445.055 --> 00:48:00,670.055
Yeah.
561
00:48:00,860.055 --> 00:48:01,100.055
Yeah.
562
00:48:01,100.055 --> 00:48:01,910.055
When you get a chance.
563
00:48:02,30.055 --> 00:48:02,510.055
Okay.
564
00:48:03,330.055 --> 00:48:03,960.055
Thanks, Dory.
565
00:48:03,965.055 --> 00:48:04,230.055
Okay, great.
566
00:48:04,420.055 --> 00:48:04,710.055
Yeah.
567
00:48:04,970.055 --> 00:48:05,190.055
Bye.
568
00:48:05,400.055 --> 00:48:05,990.055
Let's talk soon.
569
00:48:06,300.055 --> 00:48:06,780.055
Okay.
570
00:48:06,780.055 --> 00:48:06,990.055
You too.
571
00:48:07,560.055 --> 00:48:07,800.055
All right.
572
00:48:07,805.055 --> 00:48:08,70.055
Bye-bye.
573
00:48:11,30.055 --> 00:48:11,360.055
All right.
574
00:48:11,365.055 --> 00:48:13,970.055
Well, that was a wonderful conversation with Dory.
575
00:48:13,970.055 --> 00:48:15,110.055
I hope you enjoyed it.
576
00:48:16,290.055 --> 00:48:17,910.055
I want y'all to take care of yourselves.
577
00:48:19,460.055 --> 00:48:21,550.055
Try not to watch the news all day long.
578
00:48:22,990.055 --> 00:48:29,700.055
Have some fun, because you deserve to have fun, because you are awesome, and I love y'all.
579
00:48:29,810.055 --> 00:48:36,60.055
Take care everybody, and until next time, I will see you on the boards.
580
00:48:37,620.054 --> 00:48:38,60.054
Ciao.
581
00:48:39,50.054 --> 00:48:42,310.055
Imagine there's no heaven.
582
00:48:44,170.055 --> 00:48:47,840.055
It's easy if you try.
583
00:48:54,45.055 --> 00:49:00,705.055
No hell below us, above us only sky.
584
00:49:04,605.055 --> 00:49:16,325.054
Imagine all the people waiting for today.
585
00:49:17,835.054 --> 00:49:20,735.055
Imagine there's no countries.
586
00:49:24,210.055 --> 00:50:57,765.055
It isn't hard to do Nothin to kill or die for And no religion, too Ooh, oh, oh Imagine all the people Livin in peace You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the And one, if you can, sharing all.
587
00:51:03,835.055 --> 00:51:06,115.055
They say, I'm a dreamer.
588
00:51:11,195.055 --> 00:51:11,495.055
Only one.
589
00:51:15,785.054 --> 00:51:19,865.055
I hope someday, you'll join us.
590
00:51:21,565.055 --> 00:51:35,620.5688333
And the world, someday you'll join us.
591
00:51:35,620.5688333 --> 00:51:37,9.1059167
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
592
00:51:37,9.1059167 --> 00:51:38,397.643
And the world is one.