What do you do when the “bad days” become your default and medicine only names the symptoms? We sit down with former U.S. bobsledder William Pearson to trace his path from elite performance to a slow, frightening cognitive slide—and the oxygen-fueled pivot that brought his brain back online. William explains how hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT) changed his day-one reality: sharper focus, richer colors, steady energy, even a return of senses and drive he thought were gone. We break down the basics—pressure, oxygen delivery via mask, session frequency—and why these protocol details matter for real results.
The conversation pulls no punches on the bigger picture. We talk about suicides in sport, the limits of current diagnostics for CTE, and why inflammation and oxygen supply sit at the center of brain energy. William shares the practical roadblocks people hit—sticker shock for sessions and chambers, lack of insurance coverage, and clinics that skip oxygen masks or under-optimize pressure. He also opens up about the pushback he’s faced, the court dynamics around “evaluation without care,” and the personal cost of speaking out when powerful interests would rather keep things quiet.
Most importantly, we focus on action. William is building a nonprofit CTE wellness center in St. Louis to deliver affordable HBOT to athletes and veterans who need it. We discuss how lower overhead can increase access, how sport culture must shift toward safer design, and what anyone can do now: revisit diet and stimulants, prioritize sleep and breath, and, where possible, explore HBOT with informed protocols. This is a story about agency, science you can feel, and creating access where the system falls short.
If this conversation resonates, subscribe, share it with someone who needs hope, and leave a review with your questions—we’ll bring William back for updates and keep the dialogue moving.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:02):
Well, hello, and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, andtoday we have back in the studio
a very special guest, WilliamPearson.
Um, you know, we did aninterview just less than a week
ago, and I felt, and it veryseldom happens this way, where I
(00:23):
feel like we were going so intothis conversation, we went a
little bit longer than Inormally do, and I didn't even
come close.
So I'm like, we gotta come back,we gotta finish this.
And fortunately, your scheduleallowed for us to jump in before
too much time had passed.
So, William, welcome back.
I'm so uh glad you're able tojoin us again.
(00:44):
Um, without going over everylittle thing, um, the first
episode really goes into a lot.
Um, I'd like maybe you could dojust a quick bullet point recap
of how you know you came fromyour career to your injury to
your discovery to your courtcase to your nonprofit, and then
(01:07):
we'll jump back into some of thestuff that we really um I think
didn't cover it, give it enoughcredit.
SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
Well, but first of all, thanks for having me back.
I really appreciate it.
Um, it's really such a reallycomplex uh topic because there's
so many different people that itaffects.
Right.
It really, yeah.
And for me, what brought me hereis I spent uh nine years racing
bobsleds for our U.S.
Olympic team.
And uh as I was leaving thesport, actually before I left
(01:37):
the sport, you know, we wetalked about some of my red
flags were showing up.
And then uh probably 10 yearsafter I left the sport is when
the symptoms really started tokick in and kick my butt.
Uh around that 15 to 16 yearmark is where you know I didn't
want to be here anymore.
It was, you know, like I said, Iwas on the ground praying for
for God to, you know, come getme because now it's my time, you
(02:00):
know, because it's so brutal.
And I'm watching all of these umsoldiers and these other
athletes, you know, one by one.
Um we still why we why you knowwhat it reminds me of.
SPEAKER_00 (02:13):
Still today.
SPEAKER_01 (02:14):
Yeah, yeah.
It reminds me like every time Ifound out another one of my
teammates uh took their life,they do the same thing.
We do a memorial, we say, Oh,how can we fix this?
No, we don't even talk aboutfixing it.
We just we do a memorial andsay, Oh, we missed them, and
when we're waiting on the nextdeath to show up.
And you know, that was a smallcommunity doing that in
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Bobsledding, but now the wholeworld is doing it.
We're watching these athletesand these uh soldiers, you know,
they're they're taking theirlives at a really alarming
weight.
I mean, a live a really sorry,it's one of my alarming rate,
yeah.
Yeah, my speech slurred.
SPEAKER_00 (02:51):
I had them days where speech slurred a little
bit, same problem from adifferent problem to do it.
SPEAKER_01 (02:54):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:56):
We'll stumble through this together, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:59):
Yeah, so I just there's so many people dealing
with it.
And and my biggest thing is um,for me, I probably have way more
concussions than any one personcould probably possibly have
because I did hundreds ofbobsleds, right?
And so my thing is this if itwoke me up, and uh it can it
should be able to help prettymuch most people, from what I've
(03:20):
been seeing.
And so my thing is I've justbeen really pushing, just um
trying to get the treatment outto the masses for free.
SPEAKER_00 (03:27):
And so, with this treatment you're talking about
hyperbaric oxygen therapy, whichis a powerful uh tool that maybe
a lot of people don't know muchabout.
Why don't you tell us a littlebit about just even what it is,
how it works, what it is.
SPEAKER_01 (03:42):
Well, best way I can explain it, people always ask me
how how is it shaped?
And for me, the first time I sawone in person, it looked just
like the bobsled.
The reason why I was why I wasthere in the first place.
I I really had a double take.
I didn't want to get it, I wasafraid.
SPEAKER_00 (03:57):
Right, I don't want to go in that thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:59):
But it's it's shaped like you know, sometimes you see
people they do cookouts for alot of people, and so they're
gonna make a big pot of chili.
So they don't go get that topshift ground beef with the one
percent fat or you know, 10%fat.
They go get that stuff thatlooks like a tube, right?
That's exactly what a hyperbaricchamber normally looks like,
right?
(04:20):
They do come in differentshapes, but mine is shaped like
that too.
Cylinder, yeah.
Yeah, and so there's a zipper onthe top, right?
There's two actually twozippers.
I climb down through the middleand I go in there for 60 to 90
minutes at a time, and while I'min there, it uh it feels like
you in an airplane.
You know, you're in the airplaneand you got to clear your ears a
couple times pop a little bit,yeah.
(04:40):
Yeah, so once they pop a coupleof times, you keep yawning.
Next thing you know, you'll beright at the perfect pressure.
And the way it was explained tome is like it takes it makes
your body believe it's likeseven to nine feet underwater,
so your blood is more like agas, and so it can get through
all the blockages.
Nice, yeah.
So for me, the first time Itried it, like I was cloudy for
(05:04):
who knows how many years, right?
Because when my symptoms firstkicked in, like I had those
random cloudy days, they was youknow, they were never knew when
they were gonna show up, right?
SPEAKER_00 (05:13):
And you're not thinking anything about it, you
know.
You we have bad days sometimes,you know.
You just I don't know whathappened, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:20):
Yeah, but eventually they start coming more and more
frequent, and then you're like,wait a minute, this is part of
life now.
Yeah, until it flip-flop, Istarted having random days of
clarity, and that's when I waslike, uh oh, what am I gonna,
you know?
SPEAKER_00 (05:32):
Yeah, yeah.
Everything starts turning backuh opposite of what you're used
to, and you're like, wait aminute, I instead of having a
random bad day, you're like, Oh,well, I'm having a random good
day.
What is what is my at thispoint?
SPEAKER_01 (05:44):
Yeah, yeah, it it really it destroyed your quality
of life, is gone.
You're like, there's you'reyou're you're fighting to for
me.
I had to fight to find a reasonto stay here.
Uh, you get to that point, youknow, and then I realized you
know, that's what a lot ofathletes were dealing with.
I had no, I thought it wasisolated, I thought it was just
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my brain was messed up.
I started connecting those dotsafter the last suicide uh phone
call, and I was like, oh my god,we're all in trouble.
And uh yeah, so that's the onlyrelief that I've received is
hyperbaric.
SPEAKER_00 (06:19):
But so, you know, with traumatic brain injuries,
there's so really little known,you know, with all the
developments in science andmedicine and all these things,
you know, and they're they'reclaiming they understand how you
know they can map things out andsee neurons transmitting and
yeah, and neuropathways andneurotransmitters and all this
(06:42):
stuff, they can talk about it,but they don't really have uh
any solutions.
You know, I feel like we'restill stuck in the days when
they were carving out a chunk ofyour your brain just to make you
you know stop screaming.
And you know, I don't think theyreally understand a lot more
than that.
(07:02):
They're still experimenting,they put little shocks here and
there, and they put stimuli andthey put probes and they put
things in you, but they reallydon't, you know, they don't
know.
Yeah, but we do know that thebrain consumes a huge amount of
energy.
It's your it it you burn morecalories from your brain than
(07:23):
you do your whole body, unlessyou're you know a professional
athlete working out crazy.
But most people, just yourday-to-day living, your brain
cooks up all your juice and itneeds a ton of oxygen.
And anything goes wrong in yourbody, especially inflammation,
and inflammation is tied toevery problem in your body.
(07:46):
Absolutely, it blockseverything, it blocks
everything, it blocks yourlymphatic system from pumping
your your fluid that helps youryour immune system work, it it
blocks your blood from flowingright, it blocks your hormones
from passing right, it blocksyour oxygen.
(08:07):
And you know what happens whenyou injure yourself, when you
get a concussion, the firstthing happens, right?
Everything swells, yeah.
And so that is the definition ofinflammation.
So everything's swollen.
Now you got all this fluidpushing on everything, trying to
protect your brain, becausethat's what your body's like,
(08:27):
well, send fluid, it'll keep itfrom happening again.
You know, we gotta try toprotect that gray matter.
So your body's kind of doingwhat it knows how to do, but it
it's not enough.
SPEAKER_02 (08:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:40):
And um, and then all of a sudden, so now you're
breathing, you know, likenormal.
Probably you're breathing moreshallow than normal, because
that's generally what happenswhen we get injured or ill, you
know, we start breathing softerand softer, and and that's just
you know, trying to protectourselves because it hurts
sometimes to take a deep breathor to cough or whatever.
(09:02):
But all of a sudden, you know,you're depleting your oxygen,
you're not getting what youneed, and you don't realize it.
And I can't help but wonder, youknow, there's got to be some
correlation to the lack ofoxygen getting to your brain and
and the symptoms because youlook at it and you go, Well, we
(09:22):
add one thing, yeah, yeah.
And then what happens, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (09:27):
Yeah, and for me, like the first time I tried the
the chamber, I did I didone-hour session.
And I just tell you, when I cameout of that chamber, I was just
so awake and alive.
And uh, like I said, I'm notsure, but uh maybe I wasn't
seeing colors because when Icame out of that chamber,
everything seemed so beautiful,just the sky, man.
And I always tell people, it'slike it feels like I was walking
(09:48):
around in 3D.
Like, and I didn't know that Ihad already shut down that much.
There was so much in life I hadbeen missing.
SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
I can tell you almost for sure you were seeing
black and white or or barely itcolors, because I know um and I
had a traumatic brain injury, Iwas in a coma for a couple of
days, not as long as you, butum, when I came out of it, I
didn't know who I was, I didn'tknow anything.
And slowly everything came back.
But wow, I lost my 10 sense oftaste and smell for 10 years,
(10:19):
and everything tasted likecardboard, and um, I couldn't
smell anything.
And uh over time my brain sortof rewired itself and kind of
made fake tastes.
But like you could hand me anapple pie made out of onions or
liver, and if it looked likeapples and felt like apples, I
(10:41):
would taste some semblance ofapples, yeah.
And then I'd look at it and go,uh, you know, but but it wasn't
real, and and most everythingjust didn't taste like anything.
And then one day I got reallysick and I had a fever like
crazy, I had hallucinatingfever, and I woke up a couple of
days later or sometime later,and uh I was all of a sudden I'm
(11:06):
like, what the hell?
I smelt myself, you know.
I stunk from just sweating fortwo days or whatever.
Yeah, I'm like, oh my god,that's for real.
Like that was a real thing, kindof like what you're talking
about.
Now I don't know what happenedto my brain, but I know that
somehow something reconnected.
And since that time, everything,like you said, it's like in 3D,
(11:27):
like tastes became completelydifferent.
Like I drank a little bit ofmilk and it was like, oh, you
know, like wow, likeunbelievable.
Smelt the soil, and you're justlike it came to life, it was
just incredible.
So I I can understand whatyou're talking about, and uh it
(11:47):
really is a wake-up call though,because it tells you this was
for real.
Like I was damaged.
I I I'm not seeing things right.
I'm I'm you know, it's it's it'snot working.
SPEAKER_01 (11:57):
For me, I I still after all the red flags, all the
stuff I was going through, Inever I still couldn't connect
those dots.
Like I was still thinking thisgotta be diabetes because it uh
because I would you know what Iwhat I learned is I was treating
the symptoms as they showed up,right?
Like there was time where I Igot to the point where I
couldn't focus.
I said, Well, maybe I got adultADHD.
(12:20):
So I started going to doctorstrying to figure that out.
Every something that showed up,I'm I'm going to the doctors.
And I always say they they checkmy blood, never check that
brain.
Right.
And so, but we know now, evenwith CTE, if even if they had
checked my brain, they wouldn'thave found that.
Right.
They only diagnosed that atdeath.
SPEAKER_00 (12:41):
So right, exactly.
And that's the thing that'scrazy.
It's like and and doctors aregood at analyzing symptoms,
right?
They got their playbook, theygot all the collective knowledge
from everything, so they just goin and go, Oh, well, you have
this symptom, it's most likelythese things, and we're gonna
treat it according to ourstandard of care.
(13:03):
And and so, you know, you'regoing at it was logical.
It was actually, you know, youyou you you you stub your toe,
you go and look at your toe,you're not looking at your skin,
you know.
And so it it made sense what youdid, but it didn't help.
SPEAKER_01 (13:21):
Well, even when I found help, and I remember I
remember talking to my primarydoctor about it.
I said, Yeah, I've been usingthis hyperbarics, and it's woke
me, woke me up.
I feel I'm feeling better.
Yeah, and he tried to talk meout of using it.
He's like, Oh, those thingscould be dangerous, and you
know, they you know, it gave meall the different reasons why I
shouldn't be using it.
(13:41):
But what he didn't realize, likehis office was only about a mile
from my all from my apartment,yeah.
And I would get lost justwalking there, like, like, no,
it was worth the risk for me.
SPEAKER_00 (13:54):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:55):
All the side effects that's out there about this
thing, you it was worth therisk.
SPEAKER_00 (13:59):
You know what's so crazy is a doctor will prescribe
you a drug that has known sideeffects that are likely to give
you horrible problems, and he'sokay with that risk.
Yeah, but the hyperbaricchamber, which maybe
occasionally somebody pops aneardrum or whatever.
I mean, I don't know what thingshappen, but you could be
(14:21):
susceptible to any problem, andyou can have a problem drinking
water, you know, whatever.
And yeah, then they get a key onthat and say, Oh no, that's too
dangerous, we don't know enoughabout it.
SPEAKER_01 (14:32):
Right.
Well, I really think it'sbecause you know, and I fell
into the same trap.
Like, I remember when I firststarted finding this stuff, and
um people kept saying, Oh, it'sbecause uh you know big pharma
doesn't want to pay for it, andinsurance companies don't want
to, you know, and I was like,ah, whatever, maybe this thing's
not real, you know.
And so when I actually tried itand it worked, I was like, whoa,
(14:53):
yeah, and I was like, okay, whycome they're not sending people
through this?
Why, you know, why are peoplestruggling with this thing?
And then I guess people wereright, like it's really one of
the things that um they won'tpay for, yeah, you know, and so
there's a lot of truths to it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:08):
Right now, I think the technology is gonna get a
lot cheaper as more peopleunderstand it, and more
companies are coming in andbuilding quality units, but
until it's already gettingcheaper.
SPEAKER_01 (15:20):
Like when I've when I bought like um around a little
bit before 2022 is when Istarted finding it and started
trying to shop, you couldn'tfind a chamber for under 20
something thousand.
SPEAKER_00 (15:31):
Right now that's when I was looking right about
that time.
I came close to buying one, Ididn't quite pull the trigger on
it, but um I I I went and got asauna and some other stuff
instead.
But the point was that was youcouldn't find one for you know,
you might find a used one for 1010 grand.
Yeah, what condition that's inor where it's been or what it's
(15:53):
done.
So yeah, no warranty, nomanufacture, anything.
So yeah, it was yeah, 20 to100,000.
I mean, you know, it justthere's no there's no limit how
high they go.
SPEAKER_01 (16:06):
Yeah, yeah, that's the truth.
That's the reason why I want toopen up this uh CTE wellness
center, is because you know it'sso expensive.
People aren't even if they findout, like myself, I knew I tried
it twice, right?
And it removed my cloudiness,but then I knew I couldn't
afford this thing now, right?
And so I had to make some lifedecisions like am I gonna you
know pay rent?
(16:27):
Or am I gonna put my because ifI don't pay rent, I'm gonna have
to not pay rent for it for quitea few months to save up that
money where I'm gonna liveduring that time, you know.
So that was a lot of scary.
SPEAKER_00 (16:39):
Like you've been through some challenges that so
few people go through.
I mean, to be faced with, youknow, I don't want to live, and
having to come, you know,because of the suffering you
were going through and puttingyour relationships through and
all the the trauma that wasgoing through that, you were
(17:01):
just like literally asking Godto take you.
Like that doesn't happen unlessyou're going through the worst
of the worst.
And then to be faced with, I'vegot an answer, but I have to
choose between like everythingor this, like yeah, man, that's
some heavy stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (17:21):
Yeah, I have a uh TikTok channel, One Man with a
Chamber.
I have so many people comingthere and just asking for help.
How did I do it?
How did it bounce back?
You know, and the thing of itis, is like once you tell them
what how much those things cost,right?
They're so excited until theyfind out figure out how much it
costs.
Yeah, and that's just for payingfor the treatment, like here in
LA, just like 200 bucks.
SPEAKER_00 (17:43):
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (17:43):
Yeah, a couple hundred bucks, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:44):
Yeah, and that's just just sitting this thing for
an hour, yeah.
And you're like, whoa, you know,like that's I could do that once
or twice as a special treat, butyeah, you know, not a lot of
people have expendable incomethat says, Well, that's part of
my weekly regimen, or my youknow, twice a month or whatever,
however, often you need it, youknow, you might need it three
times a week for a while to getget yourself cleared out.
SPEAKER_01 (18:06):
I started with five uh there you go, yeah.
And uh I didn't actually Istarted doing better when I got
to the point where I was doingtwo a day.
Okay, then it was like, whoa.
And then oh I yeah, I was goingthrough uh, like for example,
yeah, I was going through someprogressions learning as I was
going, right?
It was was a lot of informationout there.
So my machine came with anoxygen concentrator, so you can
(18:29):
run that cord right into themachine, you can let it pour
into the thing.
Right.
I got much better results when Iconnected a hose to that thing
and used the mask.
SPEAKER_00 (18:37):
Oh, so as I started to use that variance, I had a
mask on, and I think they havedifferent ways they do it, but I
was wearing a mask when I wentinto it, yeah.
And I I'm I'm sure theypressurized with oxygen too, but
I had I had oxygen going, I wasbreathing it straight in too.
Yeah, yeah, I went to a place uhprobably about two weeks ago.
SPEAKER_01 (19:00):
Okay, they had some, they have one of those big
chambers you can put four peoplein.
So I wanted to just go try itout.
Actually, right in the middle ofHollywood.
I think it's called O2something, something oh two.
I really should know that onebecause they actually let me try
it out, right?
But I have I have one of theirlinks um okay attached to one of
my videos or something.
But you want to just try it outand like they're not running
(19:21):
oxygen to people, and I noticedmost places that have those,
they're not running the oxygen,but they're also doing 2.0
oxygen instead of okay, got itone point.
So maybe, but I guarantee ifthey use that oxygen with that
higher pressure, yeah, it shouldbe a much better, better result
for people.
SPEAKER_00 (19:38):
Agreed, agreed.
Well, and you know, for peoplewho are not aware of how the
body works, you know, oxygen isthis amazing thing.
Like it is your primary fuelsource for your cells, and it
brings it delivers everything,and it's actually very harmful
to the negative to the badcells, like if you got cancer,
(19:59):
if you got disease, the thethose cells that are that are
growing in you wrong, they don'tlike oxygen.
And oxygen literally tears themapart, it oxidizes them, and
then your healthy cells eat itup like like you know, grapes.
I mean, it's just like the bestthing ever.
(20:20):
And it it feeds yourmitochondria, it it creates uh
you know this ATP, all of youryour cellular fuel.
It without oxygen, you justdon't have that stuff.
And with it, you you get thistremendous boost of everything.
It's like crazy.
And your body can adapt.
Like, you know, people go up tohigh altitudes to train so that
(20:43):
the air is thinner and your bodysort of gets used to less
oxygen, right?
Yeah, so your blood changes andit's able to process what it has
better.
Then you come down here and itgobbles it up, it's able to
process more oxygen than the guythat's training down here.
So, you know, your body's reallygood at at processing these
(21:05):
things, and yet again, you know,nobody talks about it.
SPEAKER_01 (21:09):
It's just well, I I did some reading about that, and
I and like when I was trying tofigure this thing out okay
before I even tried it, and Iall those things you're telling
me, I heard it all, and I waslike, I said, okay, this gotta
be the biggest conspiracy in theworld.
How could this thing be here andis doing all this miraculous
stuff?
Right.
And so when I went to try it, Istill didn't believe it was
gonna work.
I was like, uh, you know, and Ijust got uh on matter of fact,
(21:31):
oh, I just I found that videoabout two, three weeks ago that
I made a recording in there forthe first time.
Okay, it's so grim and dark.
It's like this is my last thing,there's nothing else.
If this don't work, I don't knowif what you know, it was so dark
to hear it, and and but that'swhere I was at for such a long
time.
So yeah, I went down that samerabbit hole.
(21:52):
I didn't believe it until I gotin that machine, and then man,
it changed my life.
Even matter of fact, if you lookat all my old pictures, I had
the same haircut you rock rightnow.
I had that same haircut.
I hear you, and then as my hairwas started to grow, I was using
that machine.
Yeah, like if you look on someof my social uh media stuff,
people you see people makingcomments like is he wearing a
(22:13):
wig?
Like the biggest compliment Iever got in my life.
SPEAKER_00 (22:19):
I used to have one of those.
I'll have it again once I'm donewith all these treatments, but
uh it I'm sure that O2 makes adifference too.
I mean, it is doing everything,yeah, everything worked better.
SPEAKER_01 (22:30):
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Did we talk about the um thenon-PG 13 part of my treatment?
Did we a little bit?
Yeah, do we talk about whathappened with the yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:43):
You woke up and you had a uh a long-lasting erection
going on for a while, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's I mean, again, that'sa sign of your body's working.
Like that, that's the firstthing that goes when you lose
energy, your body's like, Well,you don't need that anymore.
And it just takes it from you.
And when that when that comes toyou, you know, that's a that's
(23:04):
the 13-year-old strong boys,yeah.
First response, boom, you know,you got that long.
And and it and it's becauseyou're you're healthy, you're
growing, you're you're you gotyou know, vigorous energy, you
got it all going on at thatpoint.
SPEAKER_01 (23:20):
Yeah, and that was the first time.
First time I use it.
That all that stuff happened atonce.
That's unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
SPEAKER_00 (23:27):
Yeah, now you know, I I'd like to hear a little bit
about your diet as that's beenconnected to this, because
diet's such a big part ofhealth, and it and it affects
everything, and and includingyour brain, but it also affects
how your body processes oxygen.
And you know, as an athlete, Iknow you must have be you must,
(23:48):
you know, be very aware of yourdiet and all of these things.
And then I remember you talkingin the last conversation how you
know you were you weren't eatinggood, or you were eating some
like not it, it didn't soundlike it was it was uh healthy.
Why don't you walk us throughthat?
SPEAKER_01 (24:06):
Well, I always ate pretty healthy, but what I what
I started to do was um I guess Ithought this was diabetes or
something because I that wascloudy, no energy, couldn't get
out of the bed.
Yeah, so on my nightstand nextto the bed, I always put a
thermos of coffee or Coca-Cola.
SPEAKER_00 (24:21):
That's what it was, stuff like that.
That's I remember, yeah, yeah.
Which is like the worst thingyou could put in your body.
SPEAKER_01 (24:27):
Yeah, it began to cause me more medical issues
that I didn't have in the firstplace.
Like I wound up having too muchacid in my stomach at some
point.
SPEAKER_00 (24:34):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (24:34):
So yeah, but that was the only thing that was
keeping me going.
Like I I couldn't survivewithout it.
SPEAKER_00 (24:39):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:40):
There was I would not get out of bed before three
o'clock if I didn't have thatsitting there.
Well, I would just be layingthere.
That's and that's why I reallythought this thing was um, you
know, diabetes, because it looksjust like I've seen so many
diabetics.
SPEAKER_00 (24:54):
Yeah, you got a sugar problem somehow, and yeah,
it's not processing or it's notdoing it right.
And other than that, though,your diet's generally a good,
healthy diet.
SPEAKER_01 (25:04):
Yeah, I was always a really uh I I any but any of my
old babysitters and nannies wholisten to this, I apologize
right now.
I was always a really pickyeater.
You know, and as I got older, itjust just I and I didn't realize
I was like this as a kid, right?
Right.
Like I had a nanny who would umwe call them babysitters back
then.
Like she would uh pick me upafter the kindergarten, I go
(25:26):
over her house, and so she usedto make me the sandwich, right?
It'd be like a hamburger orbread.
She would uh diagonally cut it,you know, so now it's a
triangle, and she would put alittle ketchup drop like right
on top, make it look like a uhchocolate chip chop.
All right, right now, if I tooktoo long to get to that table,
it had melted or something,right?
Or if it didn't look right, ifit wasn't perfect.
(25:48):
Oh boy, she knew I wasn't gonnaeat that sandwich.
She had to go and I had to watchher make me a whole nother
sandwich, have it in theskillet, had to go, you know,
well, none of that I'm gonnatrick him and put a new no,
yeah.
So I've always been a finickyeater.
I remember even being on uh tourracing World Cup, uh-huh and um
I automatically go to the chefsin the kitchen because that the
(26:09):
the hotels cook their meals forus.
And I'll go, I say, just give mea chicken, you know, a piece of
protein, chicken and salad.
Because in Europe a lot, therewas a lot of mad cow stuff going
on over there.
Sure.
So I didn't want the beef, Ididn't eat any pork, and so you
know, so all my teammates waslike, Oh, that guy is so he's so
arrogant or bougie or something.
Like, look at him missing.
(26:30):
But I tell you what, by thatyeah, but by that third day in
Italy when they gave them pastafor breakfast, lunch, and
dinner, it was like, Can we havewhat he has, you know?
Right.
So yeah, but I was always a realclean eater to this day.
Like, okay, well, that's good,yeah.
And so it wasn't my I try to addthings to the diet like the
omega's fish, like the uhsalmon, but now you're looking
(26:50):
at the salmon in the store.
SPEAKER_00 (26:51):
I know now they're making it in a stainless steel
kettle.
Yeah, it's it's it's you know,food is a whole nother
conversation, and I I I I talk alot about food because it's you
know instrumental in my healingright now, and it's a whole
different conversation.
But um, I I want to get into uhyour experience with others, you
(27:12):
know, you you've taken whatyou've learned and what you're
benefiting, and you've you knowcommitted yourself to providing
this to people in need and andand educating people.
You got this TikTok channel,you're out there talking about
this, you're um, you know, andand I I know the whole court
case thing is scary as hell, andwe talked about it last time,
(27:36):
and it's I don't know that Iwant to go too deep into it
because we don't know, like yougot some big heavy hitter with a
red dot on your forehead, andyou don't know who it is or what
it is, and it's not good, butyou're you're staying tough and
and and you know staying in thefight, which I respect deeply.
(27:57):
But as much as that, you know,the fact that you're willing to
uh take your experience and andthe knowledge that you've
gained, um, and and and you'reworking to build um you've got a
nonprofit now, and you're you'reraising funds to uh make
available this amazing therapyto people who need it without
(28:21):
them having to come up with that200 bucks a pop or 20 grand to
buy the thing, and or maybe it'sonly 15 grand now, but still
it's like not something mostpeople have in their expendable
income to go and to buy.
No, yeah, you know, and and soum I'm I'm really I'm really not
just intrigued, but I'm I'mexcited about that.
(28:43):
And I know that um, you know, Ihave plans on integrating that
into our garden therapies thatwe have here.
And one day, you know, it's allabout funding, it's all about
finding the people, and that'spart of what I want to talk
about.
Um is is you know, it's hardwhen you're doing all this stuff
yourself.
Have you built a team of peoplearound you that are that are
(29:05):
helping to to bring your messageout there?
And and you know, I mean, you'vegot a you got reach, people know
who you are, you got a dynamicpersonality, you got a crazy
story, like you got all theingredients to take this thing
anywhere you want to go.
SPEAKER_01 (29:22):
Well, the thing is, like, I really um when this
thing when I first foundtreatment, I found it during
after the court case was wasstarted, had started already.
I there was no help for me.
And see, I was the perfectperson to do this because I was
dying, man.
I I don't want to be here, anduh like the I I I gotta say, I
(29:44):
make sure I say this next part,right?
There were some people whowanted to do a documentary about
me, right?
Okay, so they they go to thebiggest people in the world,
these are these are the realHollywood producers, sure.
So they went to go pitch thisthing to the regular people they
pitch it to, and they found outthat there's some really big
people.
People fighting this informationcoming out, some really big
people watching me.
And I warned him that.
(30:04):
I told him, I said, guys, Imight be wrong, but I'm not
sure.
And I could just be a littleparanoid, but I think my life
might be on the line because ofwhat the things that I'm saying
right now in this case.
And I said, But don't worryabout that.
I said, and I warned thembecause I worry about their them
and their families and theirwell-being.
I said, I don't care what theydo to me.
Right.
And all like they can't, if theytake me out right now, they're
(30:25):
gonna be doing me a favor.
You know, but my message is outhere now, and it's too late for
them to unhear what I've beensaying.
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (30:33):
You know, and that was really the truth of it,
guys.
Like make people make me out tobe this hero, guys.
No, I had nothing left.
And I'm watching my teammates,and then when I realized they
wouldn't stop, you know, theywon't warn a youth.
That was the number one thing Irequested.
Warn a youth before they start.
SPEAKER_00 (30:47):
Right.
And I'm like, I dip this thingbefore, you know, fix it before
it's a problem.
SPEAKER_01 (30:53):
Yeah.
Sorry, the problem.
The same way they tricked meover there, they tricked y'all
the same way.
They didn't tell me this wasgonna happen, but they knew.
And I know because one of theemployees who worked there told
me they couldn't find helmets,they were safe but aerodynamics.
Wow, they let me know.
Guess what?
These are the wrong peoplerunning our Olympic team.
We need people in there who'sgonna look out there for the
athletes, right?
SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
Right.
Yeah, they want that extraquarter second or more than they
worry about you bashing yourbrain.
SPEAKER_01 (31:19):
That's not what they want.
That's not what they want.
You know what they really want?
What's that?
People I know now who run thebobsled office or athletes who
were used to be bobsledders.
Okay, so as they leave thesport, they get this job and it
pays them pretty good salary.
So the most of them aren'tprobably aren't qualified to do
anything else because this isall they've been doing since
they were teenagers, you know.
(31:40):
And so, like for me and everyathlete that I know who deal
with this issue, we couldn't seeit on ourselves, right?
So they're no different, eventhough some of those coaches are
really bad off right now.
Those are the ones people toldme all the athletes, they gave
me a list of people who theyknow who's suffering, and a lot
of them still working at office.
So if you have someone with CTEwho might not recognize they're
(32:02):
dealing with CTE, they're notgonna look out for the people
around them who's gonna get CTE.
Wow.
So they they're really that'sjust like having uh uh a person
who's actively uh um alcoholicstill drinking, and he's trying
to mentor the next guy to notdrink.
Like, no, it doesn't work likethat.
You gotta teach and show somehealthy things, and so that's
(32:26):
that's mainly what some of theproblems are.
SPEAKER_00 (32:29):
Is it yeah?
You got kind of a two-phasemission.
One is education and bringingawareness of this problem and
solution to the table.
The problem itself can bemitigated by better equipment,
by better practices, but it'snot likely to happen because
(32:49):
you're dealing with this, youknow, um, archetypal institution
of a sport that, like you said,to change the whole way the
sport is done.
And they're not likely to dothat.
SPEAKER_01 (33:01):
Well, it's an easy change.
All you do is remove those termsthat we remove the extreme
turns, and it's a much differentsport.
SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
Yeah, yeah.
And it could be done, you know.
Football, they've changed a lotof rules and and and they've
worked on making it safer,they've changed equipment,
they've changed a lot of things,and I don't know that it's had
the effect that they want yet,and they won't know for a while,
but at least they're addressingit on some level.
But that's yeah, that's a sportwhere people are smacking their
(33:30):
heads together on purpose, andit's not, you know, everybody
knows that that's something thatis is is a thing, or boxing, you
know.
They're I don't know what theycould do about boxing.
That's the whole sport is tobeat each other.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (33:45):
So it's did we talk about uh Leon Spinks?
No, no.
Oh, he's from he's from ahometown, St.
Louis.
Okay.
I happen to be in Las Vegasright right before COVID kicked
off.
All right, some of my buddies weall got together and seen each
other in years.
We met in Vegas, so uh he'sthere doing autographs, right?
Okay, and all he's writing, hehas a piece of paper right here.
(34:07):
It says Leon Spinks, WorldChamp, 1978.
Wow, so he's writing anautograph, right?
He's writing it, he's looking atthe paper, writing it, looking
at the paper.
He almost had to trace his ownautograph.
Wow, yeah, and I was just like,it's before I didn't know what
was wrong with me.
Like, I still think I haddiabetes, you know.
(34:29):
Right.
And so when my symptoms reallykicked in, and my teammate
committed suit, the last onecommitted suicide, and his
autopsy came out, and Iconnected the dots.
Oh, this is what this is, it hasa name now, we know what it is.
Right.
I could think about all thetimes I met people under this
condition, like Leon Spenks.
Right.
I'm like, oh my god, am I gonnabe that bad?
(34:50):
Is it gonna go that far?
Because I'm already cloudy everyday.
Like I can see the writing onthe wall, right?
Like I'm in trouble.
I'm in trouble.
No, it's wasn't this thing.
No, it's never gonna get betteron its own.
That's it gets this is slowly,it gets a little bit worse.
Slowly, slowly, slowly untilthey really kick in.
And then when them symptomsreally start kicking in, you're
(35:10):
like, okay, that's why peoplegiving up.
Like if you're gonna lay on thatfloor or on that couch or that
stay in that bed, and that's allyou can do all day, it's a
matter of time before you justkind of give up on life.
SPEAKER_00 (35:23):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (35:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (35:26):
You've got these heavy hitters sort of putting a
dark cloud over you saying, youknow, keep away from this guy.
We we we're we're watching him,and and that skips people off
like crazy.
Like, you know, it's like havingthe mob come and send you a
little message, you know, get aa head of something delivered to
your bed, you know.
It's like, oh I gotta watch whatI'm doing.
(35:48):
And and and why would you gonear that guy if if he's gonna
bring you this?
And and you know, people don'thave the the heart to to to jump
into a fight when they when theyshould sometimes.
And so, yeah, how are you seeingyourself get through this?
You know, I mean, this is oneway we just keep talking.
(36:10):
I'm gonna keep talking.
And that's that's where I'm at.
That's what that's one of thereasons that I want to, you
know, uh help you any way I can.
Is this is a powerful message.
People need to hear this.
We can make a difference in theworld.
I don't have the reach or thethe you know the the tools yet,
but I'm working on it.
We're growing all the time.
(36:30):
Yeah.
And and you know, over time,maybe I'll be a better uh better
ally, you know, in that in thatvenue.
But meanwhile, you know, you gota lot going on and a lot of
potential to quickly, you know,put this legacy in front of you,
and and regardless of whateverhappened or didn't happen to
(36:51):
you, because you don't know, youknow, I mean, who knows?
Maybe something terriblehappens, or maybe they go away
and give up and you you go on toprosper.
I mean, you know, it it could goany which way, we don't know.
But meanwhile, you're buildingsomething that can live on long
beyond you and and yeah, and anddo this.
So, what's your what's it looklike?
SPEAKER_01 (37:13):
Well, I already have the building that I want to use.
Uh I'm trying to recycle what Ican get to easy.
SPEAKER_00 (37:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:19):
Um, my my daddy has this building, he just retired a
few years ago.
Okay, and um he had hit asuccessful roofing company.
So that building sent empty.
He's about to sell it, and I'mlike, wait a minute, dad.
Before you sell this building,let me let me see if I can
figure some things out.
All right.
So I'm ready to get thatbuilding for you know, peanut
peanuts, you know, like not muchmoney.
(37:39):
And um, like if I open here inLA, the same size building, it's
gonna cost me probably 15,20,000 for a building that size.
Oh, yeah.
And um, that means for where Ican purchase that building and
build it out, that's like a yearof rent here.
Yeah, exactly.
So that's the reason why I wantto do it there.
SPEAKER_00 (38:00):
This is in the Midwest, you're talking about.
SPEAKER_01 (38:01):
Yep, so St.
Louis, right in the middle ofthe United States, center spot.
SPEAKER_00 (38:04):
I love it.
I love it.
You know, it's wild.
It's like uh people have no ideaif you don't if if you spend
your time living in California,you don't realize what it's like
in other places, like gasoline'stwo bucks a gallon, yeah, and
and you know, rents are lessthan a thousand bucks a month
for a little house, evensometimes, you know.
(38:25):
I mean, it's like it'sunbelievable.
Like I know people all aroundthe country, and it's like they
tell me about what they're youknow, they're paying to just
live in a little suburban townin Kansas or or Arkansas or
wherever, and you're just like,what?
You know, how I can't, I can't,I can't pay for my basic
(38:46):
utilities for that, and you'reyou know, you're living.
And so, you know, it's it's it'samazing what you can do.
And and in this world right now,if you're able to build this
thing, there's gonna be peoplein in that sphere of influence
that'll benefit enough that'lltake this thing to the next
level where you'll be able toput up another one in another
(39:08):
spot.
You know, this is uh there's twotwo phases to this.
One's the education part, whichwill grow as you're doing more
things, you're gonna be buildingmore educational content and
have more um more awareness.
Your your your light shinesbrighter, the the channel tunes
easier, all of those things.
But the the actual footprint oftouching people, that's the part
(39:32):
that you got to get established.
And I think I think you're onthe right, you're on the right
path.
So, what's your timeline lookinglike for that?
SPEAKER_01 (39:40):
Well, you know, um, we we kind of did things a
little bit backwards.
Well, I did.
Um, I set the crowdfunding up,released it way before it was
time to uh start promoting it.
SPEAKER_00 (39:50):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (39:51):
And I did that because actually I originally
set this up um two years ago.
And my lawyers, they they toldme, hey, say don't press, don't
do the press release.
They said, um, these doctors aregonna come and they're gonna
help you guys.
He said, so don't do it rightnow.
We're about to settle this case,and uh the doctors are coming,
they're gonna save you, don'tworry.
(40:12):
Okay, so fast forward, we get tothe point, case is about to end.
They present me this offer.
The offer says zero treatment,no treatment, they only want to
evaluate us.
And I'm thinking, I said, guys,you made me wait two years to
help other people because yousaid these doctors were coming,
but now you're saying no doctorsare coming.
(40:33):
Right.
And they said, Well, we alwaystold you no doctors were coming.
It's only about uh medicalevaluation.
So, matter of fact, at the lastcourt hearing, I went in our
email and I pulled out an emailthey sent me, and this thing
said medical monitoring and carefor life.
Ah, and I showed it to thejudge.
I said, Your Honor, look at thisoffer, right?
There is no care in here at all.
Right.
And I asked the I asked thejudge, I said, Your Honor, would
(40:54):
you send your child to a doctor?
I mean to a doctor that won'tthat won't help him, you won't
help him.
Like, what would be the point ofthat?
Yeah, and so the judge told mehe was like, Well, he said, at
the end of the day, when theoffers come through, he's gonna
have to look at it as well.
Because they're trying to bullythe hell out of me, just to be
blunt with it.
They're trying to bully me tosettle this.
So my and to be honest, my lawteam is now standing tight with
(41:18):
uh defense lawyers, they'retogether.
SPEAKER_00 (41:21):
The last episode that was yeah stuff, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:24):
So, yeah, so the the just at the end of the day, he's
gonna have to look at it and seeif it's you know a fair offer
for the class.
So I I even though I'm stillalone, I don't feel quite as
alone, but I'm gonna do the samething I've been doing, Your
Honor.
This is not a good deal.
I'm not voting.
I'm not told him if you want to,you know, you can end this case,
but like I'm gonna stand firm onwhat I believe.
(41:47):
I you know, when the courts aregonna do what the courts are
gonna do, but the scary part isI'm not qualified to be here um
standing like they got some ofthe most expensive lawyers in
the world right now.
SPEAKER_00 (42:00):
Yeah, I mean you had David Shapiro walk away from
you, so I mean that's like yeah,geez, Louise, like what do you
do?
Well, listen, William, we did itagain.
We burned up more time than Igenerally allot, and we have
another interview coming up inlike 10 minutes.
SPEAKER_01 (42:14):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (42:16):
I'm always around, you can always find it.
Yeah, but you know what?
I really want to do is as thisthing progresses, I would love
to have you.
I have guests that come onregularly, and we share a story
that's evolving.
And I'd love for you to to jointhat, you know, that that
legion.
I think that this is animportant story that I want to
carry on and help you in any waythat I can.
(42:38):
And this is one thing I canoffer is you know, the ability
to share updates.
So anytime you see that there'suh an update or something you
want to it's coming, add to andshare, please reach out.
Um, and um, you know, again, Iwe don't live more than an hour
and hour and a bit of away fromeach other.
I'd love to show you my gardenand uh yeah, some of the stuff
(42:59):
we're doing, and and you know,I'd love to meet you in person
for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (43:03):
Yeah, I we'll have to make that happen.
SPEAKER_00 (43:05):
Excellent.
All right, well, William.
Um Find my crowdfunding, guys.
SPEAKER_01 (43:09):
We need you.
I can't do it whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (43:11):
Yeah, yeah.
Tell everybody how to find yourcrowdfunding and your TikTok
channel.
Give us all that again.
SPEAKER_01 (43:15):
It's all one man with a chamber.
One man with a chamber, guys.
Please read between the lines,guys.
I was in dementia.
How many of our loved ones werethere and came back from there?
I came back from there and itcame from the chamber.
It wasn't what I went there for,but that's what it did.
So do the research, it's outthere for Alzheimer's, for
dementia.
(43:36):
There's treatments for withhyperbaric as well.
So, and I'm I'm a walkingtestimonial to it.
SPEAKER_00 (43:41):
Powerful, powerful.
Well, again, I I I have deeprespect for you, your integrity,
your courage, and and just youknow, living it, walking the
walk.
It's it's it's hard to findfolks that are willing to do
that.
And I I stand with you.
SPEAKER_01 (43:55):
Uh thank you, appreciate you.
SPEAKER_00 (43:57):
And I look forward to having you back again.
This has been another episode ofthe Healthy Living Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, andwe really want to thank all the
listeners that make thispossible and take some time.
Um, look into these guests andand and see the good work that
they're doing.
And uh, we will see you nexttime.
Well, hello, and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, andtoday we have back in the studio
a very special guest, WilliamPearson.
Um, you know, we did aninterview just less than a week
ago, and I felt, and it veryseldom happens this way, where I
(00:23):
feel like we were going so intothis conversation, we went a
little bit longer than Inormally do, and I didn't even
come close.
So I'm like, we gotta come back,we gotta finish this.
And fortunately, your scheduleallowed for us to jump in before
too much time had passed.
So, William, welcome back.
I'm so uh glad you're able tojoin us again.
(00:44):
Um, without going over everylittle thing, um, the first
episode really goes into a lot.
Um, I'd like maybe you could dojust a quick bullet point recap
of how you know you came fromyour career to your injury to
your discovery to your courtcase to your nonprofit, and then
(01:07):
we'll jump back into some of thestuff that we really um I think
didn't cover it, give it enoughcredit.
SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
Well, but first of all, thanks for having me back.
I really appreciate it.
Um, it's really such a reallycomplex uh topic because there's
so many different people that itaffects.
Right.
It really, yeah.
And for me, what brought me hereis I spent uh nine years racing
bobsleds for our U.S.
Olympic team.
And uh as I was leaving thesport, actually before I left
(01:37):
the sport, you know, we wetalked about some of my red
flags were showing up.
And then uh probably 10 yearsafter I left the sport is when
the symptoms really started tokick in and kick my butt.
Uh around that 15 to 16 yearmark is where you know I didn't
want to be here anymore.
It was, you know, like I said, Iwas on the ground praying for
for God to, you know, come getme because now it's my time, you
(02:00):
know, because it's so brutal.
And I'm watching all of these umsoldiers and these other
athletes, you know, one by one.
Um we still why we why you knowwhat it reminds me of.
SPEAKER_00 (02:13):
Still today.
SPEAKER_01 (02:14):
Yeah, yeah.
It reminds me like every time Ifound out another one of my
teammates uh took their life,they do the same thing.
We do a memorial, we say, Oh,how can we fix this?
No, we don't even talk aboutfixing it.
We just we do a memorial andsay, Oh, we missed them, and
when we're waiting on the nextdeath to show up.
And you know, that was a smallcommunity doing that in
(02:36):
Bobsledding, but now the wholeworld is doing it.
We're watching these athletesand these uh soldiers, you know,
they're they're taking theirlives at a really alarming
weight.
I mean, a live a really sorry,it's one of my alarming rate,
yeah.
Yeah, my speech slurred.
SPEAKER_00 (02:51):
I had them days where speech slurred a little
bit, same problem from adifferent problem to do it.
SPEAKER_01 (02:54):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:56):
We'll stumble through this together, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:59):
Yeah, so I just there's so many people dealing
with it.
And and my biggest thing is um,for me, I probably have way more
concussions than any one personcould probably possibly have
because I did hundreds ofbobsleds, right?
And so my thing is this if itwoke me up, and uh it can it
should be able to help prettymuch most people, from what I've
(03:20):
been seeing.
And so my thing is I've justbeen really pushing, just um
trying to get the treatment outto the masses for free.
SPEAKER_00 (03:27):
And so, with this treatment you're talking about
hyperbaric oxygen therapy, whichis a powerful uh tool that maybe
a lot of people don't know muchabout.
Why don't you tell us a littlebit about just even what it is,
how it works, what it is.
SPEAKER_01 (03:42):
Well, best way I can explain it, people always ask me
how how is it shaped?
And for me, the first time I sawone in person, it looked just
like the bobsled.
The reason why I was why I wasthere in the first place.
I I really had a double take.
I didn't want to get it, I wasafraid.
SPEAKER_00 (03:57):
Right, I don't want to go in that thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:59):
But it's it's shaped like you know, sometimes you see
people they do cookouts for alot of people, and so they're
gonna make a big pot of chili.
So they don't go get that topshift ground beef with the one
percent fat or you know, 10%fat.
They go get that stuff thatlooks like a tube, right?
That's exactly what a hyperbaricchamber normally looks like,
right?
(04:20):
They do come in differentshapes, but mine is shaped like
that too.
Cylinder, yeah.
Yeah, and so there's a zipper onthe top, right?
There's two actually twozippers.
I climb down through the middleand I go in there for 60 to 90
minutes at a time, and while I'min there, it uh it feels like
you in an airplane.
You know, you're in the airplaneand you got to clear your ears a
couple times pop a little bit,yeah.
(04:40):
Yeah, so once they pop a coupleof times, you keep yawning.
Next thing you know, you'll beright at the perfect pressure.
And the way it was explained tome is like it takes it makes
your body believe it's likeseven to nine feet underwater,
so your blood is more like agas, and so it can get through
all the blockages.
Nice, yeah.
So for me, the first time Itried it, like I was cloudy for
(05:04):
who knows how many years, right?
Because when my symptoms firstkicked in, like I had those
random cloudy days, they was youknow, they were never knew when
they were gonna show up, right?
SPEAKER_00 (05:13):
And you're not thinking anything about it, you
know.
You we have bad days sometimes,you know.
You just I don't know whathappened, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:20):
Yeah, but eventually they start coming more and more
frequent, and then you're like,wait a minute, this is part of
life now.
Yeah, until it flip-flop, Istarted having random days of
clarity, and that's when I waslike, uh oh, what am I gonna,
you know?
SPEAKER_00 (05:32):
Yeah, yeah.
Everything starts turning backuh opposite of what you're used
to, and you're like, wait aminute, I instead of having a
random bad day, you're like, Oh,well, I'm having a random good
day.
What is what is my at thispoint?
SPEAKER_01 (05:44):
Yeah, yeah, it it really it destroyed your quality
of life, is gone.
You're like, there's you'reyou're you're fighting to for
me.
I had to fight to find a reasonto stay here.
Uh, you get to that point, youknow, and then I realized you
know, that's what a lot ofathletes were dealing with.
I had no, I thought it wasisolated, I thought it was just
(06:05):
my brain was messed up.
I started connecting those dotsafter the last suicide uh phone
call, and I was like, oh my god,we're all in trouble.
And uh yeah, so that's the onlyrelief that I've received is
hyperbaric.
SPEAKER_00 (06:19):
But so, you know, with traumatic brain injuries,
there's so really little known,you know, with all the
developments in science andmedicine and all these things,
you know, and they're they'reclaiming they understand how you
know they can map things out andsee neurons transmitting and
yeah, and neuropathways andneurotransmitters and all this
(06:42):
stuff, they can talk about it,but they don't really have uh
any solutions.
You know, I feel like we'restill stuck in the days when
they were carving out a chunk ofyour your brain just to make you
you know stop screaming.
And you know, I don't think theyreally understand a lot more
than that.
(07:02):
They're still experimenting,they put little shocks here and
there, and they put stimuli andthey put probes and they put
things in you, but they reallydon't, you know, they don't
know.
Yeah, but we do know that thebrain consumes a huge amount of
energy.
It's your it it you burn morecalories from your brain than
(07:23):
you do your whole body, unlessyou're you know a professional
athlete working out crazy.
But most people, just yourday-to-day living, your brain
cooks up all your juice and itneeds a ton of oxygen.
And anything goes wrong in yourbody, especially inflammation,
and inflammation is tied toevery problem in your body.
(07:46):
Absolutely, it blockseverything, it blocks
everything, it blocks yourlymphatic system from pumping
your your fluid that helps youryour immune system work, it it
blocks your blood from flowingright, it blocks your hormones
from passing right, it blocksyour oxygen.
(08:07):
And you know what happens whenyou injure yourself, when you
get a concussion, the firstthing happens, right?
Everything swells, yeah.
And so that is the definition ofinflammation.
So everything's swollen.
Now you got all this fluidpushing on everything, trying to
protect your brain, becausethat's what your body's like,
(08:27):
well, send fluid, it'll keep itfrom happening again.
You know, we gotta try toprotect that gray matter.
So your body's kind of doingwhat it knows how to do, but it
it's not enough.
SPEAKER_02 (08:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:40):
And um, and then all of a sudden, so now you're
breathing, you know, likenormal.
Probably you're breathing moreshallow than normal, because
that's generally what happenswhen we get injured or ill, you
know, we start breathing softerand softer, and and that's just
you know, trying to protectourselves because it hurts
sometimes to take a deep breathor to cough or whatever.
(09:02):
But all of a sudden, you know,you're depleting your oxygen,
you're not getting what youneed, and you don't realize it.
And I can't help but wonder, youknow, there's got to be some
correlation to the lack ofoxygen getting to your brain and
and the symptoms because youlook at it and you go, Well, we
(09:22):
add one thing, yeah, yeah.
And then what happens, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (09:27):
Yeah, and for me, like the first time I tried the
the chamber, I did I didone-hour session.
And I just tell you, when I cameout of that chamber, I was just
so awake and alive.
And uh, like I said, I'm notsure, but uh maybe I wasn't
seeing colors because when Icame out of that chamber,
everything seemed so beautiful,just the sky, man.
And I always tell people, it'slike it feels like I was walking
(09:48):
around in 3D.
Like, and I didn't know that Ihad already shut down that much.
There was so much in life I hadbeen missing.
SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
I can tell you almost for sure you were seeing
black and white or or barely itcolors, because I know um and I
had a traumatic brain injury, Iwas in a coma for a couple of
days, not as long as you, butum, when I came out of it, I
didn't know who I was, I didn'tknow anything.
And slowly everything came back.
But wow, I lost my 10 sense oftaste and smell for 10 years,
(10:19):
and everything tasted likecardboard, and um, I couldn't
smell anything.
And uh over time my brain sortof rewired itself and kind of
made fake tastes.
But like you could hand me anapple pie made out of onions or
liver, and if it looked likeapples and felt like apples, I
(10:41):
would taste some semblance ofapples, yeah.
And then I'd look at it and go,uh, you know, but but it wasn't
real, and and most everythingjust didn't taste like anything.
And then one day I got reallysick and I had a fever like
crazy, I had hallucinatingfever, and I woke up a couple of
days later or sometime later,and uh I was all of a sudden I'm
(11:06):
like, what the hell?
I smelt myself, you know.
I stunk from just sweating fortwo days or whatever.
Yeah, I'm like, oh my god,that's for real.
Like that was a real thing, kindof like what you're talking
about.
Now I don't know what happenedto my brain, but I know that
somehow something reconnected.
And since that time, everything,like you said, it's like in 3D,
(11:27):
like tastes became completelydifferent.
Like I drank a little bit ofmilk and it was like, oh, you
know, like wow, likeunbelievable.
Smelt the soil, and you're justlike it came to life, it was
just incredible.
So I I can understand whatyou're talking about, and uh it
(11:47):
really is a wake-up call though,because it tells you this was
for real.
Like I was damaged.
I I I'm not seeing things right.
I'm I'm you know, it's it's it'snot working.
SPEAKER_01 (11:57):
For me, I I still after all the red flags, all the
stuff I was going through, Inever I still couldn't connect
those dots.
Like I was still thinking thisgotta be diabetes because it uh
because I would you know what Iwhat I learned is I was treating
the symptoms as they showed up,right?
Like there was time where I Igot to the point where I
couldn't focus.
I said, Well, maybe I got adultADHD.
(12:20):
So I started going to doctorstrying to figure that out.
Every something that showed up,I'm I'm going to the doctors.
And I always say they they checkmy blood, never check that
brain.
Right.
And so, but we know now, evenwith CTE, if even if they had
checked my brain, they wouldn'thave found that.
Right.
They only diagnosed that atdeath.
SPEAKER_00 (12:41):
So right, exactly.
And that's the thing that'scrazy.
It's like and and doctors aregood at analyzing symptoms,
right?
They got their playbook, theygot all the collective knowledge
from everything, so they just goin and go, Oh, well, you have
this symptom, it's most likelythese things, and we're gonna
treat it according to ourstandard of care.
(13:03):
And and so, you know, you'regoing at it was logical.
It was actually, you know, youyou you you you stub your toe,
you go and look at your toe,you're not looking at your skin,
you know.
And so it it made sense what youdid, but it didn't help.
SPEAKER_01 (13:21):
Well, even when I found help, and I remember I
remember talking to my primarydoctor about it.
I said, Yeah, I've been usingthis hyperbarics, and it's woke
me, woke me up.
I feel I'm feeling better.
Yeah, and he tried to talk meout of using it.
He's like, Oh, those thingscould be dangerous, and you
know, they you know, it gave meall the different reasons why I
shouldn't be using it.
(13:41):
But what he didn't realize, likehis office was only about a mile
from my all from my apartment,yeah.
And I would get lost justwalking there, like, like, no,
it was worth the risk for me.
SPEAKER_00 (13:54):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:55):
All the side effects that's out there about this
thing, you it was worth therisk.
SPEAKER_00 (13:59):
You know what's so crazy is a doctor will prescribe
you a drug that has known sideeffects that are likely to give
you horrible problems, and he'sokay with that risk.
Yeah, but the hyperbaricchamber, which maybe
occasionally somebody pops aneardrum or whatever.
I mean, I don't know what thingshappen, but you could be
(14:21):
susceptible to any problem, andyou can have a problem drinking
water, you know, whatever.
And yeah, then they get a key onthat and say, Oh no, that's too
dangerous, we don't know enoughabout it.
SPEAKER_01 (14:32):
Right.
Well, I really think it'sbecause you know, and I fell
into the same trap.
Like, I remember when I firststarted finding this stuff, and
um people kept saying, Oh, it'sbecause uh you know big pharma
doesn't want to pay for it, andinsurance companies don't want
to, you know, and I was like,ah, whatever, maybe this thing's
not real, you know.
And so when I actually tried itand it worked, I was like, whoa,
(14:53):
yeah, and I was like, okay, whycome they're not sending people
through this?
Why, you know, why are peoplestruggling with this thing?
And then I guess people wereright, like it's really one of
the things that um they won'tpay for, yeah, you know, and so
there's a lot of truths to it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:08):
Right now, I think the technology is gonna get a
lot cheaper as more peopleunderstand it, and more
companies are coming in andbuilding quality units, but
until it's already gettingcheaper.
SPEAKER_01 (15:20):
Like when I've when I bought like um around a little
bit before 2022 is when Istarted finding it and started
trying to shop, you couldn'tfind a chamber for under 20
something thousand.
SPEAKER_00 (15:31):
Right now that's when I was looking right about
that time.
I came close to buying one, Ididn't quite pull the trigger on
it, but um I I I went and got asauna and some other stuff
instead.
But the point was that was youcouldn't find one for you know,
you might find a used one for 1010 grand.
Yeah, what condition that's inor where it's been or what it's
(15:53):
done.
So yeah, no warranty, nomanufacture, anything.
So yeah, it was yeah, 20 to100,000.
I mean, you know, it justthere's no there's no limit how
high they go.
SPEAKER_01 (16:06):
Yeah, yeah, that's the truth.
That's the reason why I want toopen up this uh CTE wellness
center, is because you know it'sso expensive.
People aren't even if they findout, like myself, I knew I tried
it twice, right?
And it removed my cloudiness,but then I knew I couldn't
afford this thing now, right?
And so I had to make some lifedecisions like am I gonna you
know pay rent?
(16:27):
Or am I gonna put my because ifI don't pay rent, I'm gonna have
to not pay rent for it for quitea few months to save up that
money where I'm gonna liveduring that time, you know.
So that was a lot of scary.
SPEAKER_00 (16:39):
Like you've been through some challenges that so
few people go through.
I mean, to be faced with, youknow, I don't want to live, and
having to come, you know,because of the suffering you
were going through and puttingyour relationships through and
all the the trauma that wasgoing through that, you were
(17:01):
just like literally asking Godto take you.
Like that doesn't happen unlessyou're going through the worst
of the worst.
And then to be faced with, I'vegot an answer, but I have to
choose between like everythingor this, like yeah, man, that's
some heavy stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (17:21):
Yeah, I have a uh TikTok channel, One Man with a
Chamber.
I have so many people comingthere and just asking for help.
How did I do it?
How did it bounce back?
You know, and the thing of itis, is like once you tell them
what how much those things cost,right?
They're so excited until theyfind out figure out how much it
costs.
Yeah, and that's just for payingfor the treatment, like here in
LA, just like 200 bucks.
SPEAKER_00 (17:43):
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (17:43):
Yeah, a couple hundred bucks, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:44):
Yeah, and that's just just sitting this thing for
an hour, yeah.
And you're like, whoa, you know,like that's I could do that once
or twice as a special treat, butyeah, you know, not a lot of
people have expendable incomethat says, Well, that's part of
my weekly regimen, or my youknow, twice a month or whatever,
however, often you need it, youknow, you might need it three
times a week for a while to getget yourself cleared out.
SPEAKER_01 (18:06):
I started with five uh there you go, yeah.
And uh I didn't actually Istarted doing better when I got
to the point where I was doingtwo a day.
Okay, then it was like, whoa.
And then oh I yeah, I was goingthrough uh, like for example,
yeah, I was going through someprogressions learning as I was
going, right?
It was was a lot of informationout there.
So my machine came with anoxygen concentrator, so you can
(18:29):
run that cord right into themachine, you can let it pour
into the thing.
Right.
I got much better results when Iconnected a hose to that thing
and used the mask.
SPEAKER_00 (18:37):
Oh, so as I started to use that variance, I had a
mask on, and I think they havedifferent ways they do it, but I
was wearing a mask when I wentinto it, yeah.
And I I'm I'm sure theypressurized with oxygen too, but
I had I had oxygen going, I wasbreathing it straight in too.
Yeah, yeah, I went to a place uhprobably about two weeks ago.
SPEAKER_01 (19:00):
Okay, they had some, they have one of those big
chambers you can put four peoplein.
So I wanted to just go try itout.
Actually, right in the middle ofHollywood.
I think it's called O2something, something oh two.
I really should know that onebecause they actually let me try
it out, right?
But I have I have one of theirlinks um okay attached to one of
my videos or something.
But you want to just try it outand like they're not running
(19:21):
oxygen to people, and I noticedmost places that have those,
they're not running the oxygen,but they're also doing 2.0
oxygen instead of okay, got itone point.
So maybe, but I guarantee ifthey use that oxygen with that
higher pressure, yeah, it shouldbe a much better, better result
for people.
SPEAKER_00 (19:38):
Agreed, agreed.
Well, and you know, for peoplewho are not aware of how the
body works, you know, oxygen isthis amazing thing.
Like it is your primary fuelsource for your cells, and it
brings it delivers everything,and it's actually very harmful
to the negative to the badcells, like if you got cancer,
(19:59):
if you got disease, the thethose cells that are that are
growing in you wrong, they don'tlike oxygen.
And oxygen literally tears themapart, it oxidizes them, and
then your healthy cells eat itup like like you know, grapes.
I mean, it's just like the bestthing ever.
(20:20):
And it it feeds yourmitochondria, it it creates uh
you know this ATP, all of youryour cellular fuel.
It without oxygen, you justdon't have that stuff.
And with it, you you get thistremendous boost of everything.
It's like crazy.
And your body can adapt.
Like, you know, people go up tohigh altitudes to train so that
(20:43):
the air is thinner and your bodysort of gets used to less
oxygen, right?
Yeah, so your blood changes andit's able to process what it has
better.
Then you come down here and itgobbles it up, it's able to
process more oxygen than the guythat's training down here.
So, you know, your body's reallygood at at processing these
(21:05):
things, and yet again, you know,nobody talks about it.
SPEAKER_01 (21:09):
It's just well, I I did some reading about that, and
I and like when I was trying tofigure this thing out okay
before I even tried it, and Iall those things you're telling
me, I heard it all, and I waslike, I said, okay, this gotta
be the biggest conspiracy in theworld.
How could this thing be here andis doing all this miraculous
stuff?
Right.
And so when I went to try it, Istill didn't believe it was
gonna work.
I was like, uh, you know, and Ijust got uh on matter of fact,
(21:31):
oh, I just I found that videoabout two, three weeks ago that
I made a recording in there forthe first time.
Okay, it's so grim and dark.
It's like this is my last thing,there's nothing else.
If this don't work, I don't knowif what you know, it was so dark
to hear it, and and but that'swhere I was at for such a long
time.
So yeah, I went down that samerabbit hole.
(21:52):
I didn't believe it until I gotin that machine, and then man,
it changed my life.
Even matter of fact, if you lookat all my old pictures, I had
the same haircut you rock rightnow.
I had that same haircut.
I hear you, and then as my hairwas started to grow, I was using
that machine.
Yeah, like if you look on someof my social uh media stuff,
people you see people makingcomments like is he wearing a
(22:13):
wig?
Like the biggest compliment Iever got in my life.
SPEAKER_00 (22:19):
I used to have one of those.
I'll have it again once I'm donewith all these treatments, but
uh it I'm sure that O2 makes adifference too.
I mean, it is doing everything,yeah, everything worked better.
SPEAKER_01 (22:30):
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Did we talk about the um thenon-PG 13 part of my treatment?
Did we a little bit?
Yeah, do we talk about whathappened with the yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:43):
You woke up and you had a uh a long-lasting erection
going on for a while, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's I mean, again, that'sa sign of your body's working.
Like that, that's the firstthing that goes when you lose
energy, your body's like, Well,you don't need that anymore.
And it just takes it from you.
And when that when that comes toyou, you know, that's a that's
(23:04):
the 13-year-old strong boys,yeah.
First response, boom, you know,you got that long.
And and it and it's becauseyou're you're healthy, you're
growing, you're you're you gotyou know, vigorous energy, you
got it all going on at thatpoint.
SPEAKER_01 (23:20):
Yeah, and that was the first time.
First time I use it.
That all that stuff happened atonce.
That's unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
SPEAKER_00 (23:27):
Yeah, now you know, I I'd like to hear a little bit
about your diet as that's beenconnected to this, because
diet's such a big part ofhealth, and it and it affects
everything, and and includingyour brain, but it also affects
how your body processes oxygen.
And you know, as an athlete, Iknow you must have be you must,
(23:48):
you know, be very aware of yourdiet and all of these things.
And then I remember you talkingin the last conversation how you
know you were you weren't eatinggood, or you were eating some
like not it, it didn't soundlike it was it was uh healthy.
Why don't you walk us throughthat?
SPEAKER_01 (24:06):
Well, I always ate pretty healthy, but what I what
I started to do was um I guess Ithought this was diabetes or
something because I that wascloudy, no energy, couldn't get
out of the bed.
Yeah, so on my nightstand nextto the bed, I always put a
thermos of coffee or Coca-Cola.
SPEAKER_00 (24:21):
That's what it was, stuff like that.
That's I remember, yeah, yeah.
Which is like the worst thingyou could put in your body.
SPEAKER_01 (24:27):
Yeah, it began to cause me more medical issues
that I didn't have in the firstplace.
Like I wound up having too muchacid in my stomach at some
point.
SPEAKER_00 (24:34):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (24:34):
So yeah, but that was the only thing that was
keeping me going.
Like I I couldn't survivewithout it.
SPEAKER_00 (24:39):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:40):
There was I would not get out of bed before three
o'clock if I didn't have thatsitting there.
Well, I would just be layingthere.
That's and that's why I reallythought this thing was um, you
know, diabetes, because it looksjust like I've seen so many
diabetics.
SPEAKER_00 (24:54):
Yeah, you got a sugar problem somehow, and yeah,
it's not processing or it's notdoing it right.
And other than that, though,your diet's generally a good,
healthy diet.
SPEAKER_01 (25:04):
Yeah, I was always a really uh I I any but any of my
old babysitters and nannies wholisten to this, I apologize
right now.
I was always a really pickyeater.
You know, and as I got older, itjust just I and I didn't realize
I was like this as a kid, right?
Right.
Like I had a nanny who would umwe call them babysitters back
then.
Like she would uh pick me upafter the kindergarten, I go
(25:26):
over her house, and so she usedto make me the sandwich, right?
It'd be like a hamburger orbread.
She would uh diagonally cut it,you know, so now it's a
triangle, and she would put alittle ketchup drop like right
on top, make it look like a uhchocolate chip chop.
All right, right now, if I tooktoo long to get to that table,
it had melted or something,right?
Or if it didn't look right, ifit wasn't perfect.
(25:48):
Oh boy, she knew I wasn't gonnaeat that sandwich.
She had to go and I had to watchher make me a whole nother
sandwich, have it in theskillet, had to go, you know,
well, none of that I'm gonnatrick him and put a new no,
yeah.
So I've always been a finickyeater.
I remember even being on uh tourracing World Cup, uh-huh and um
I automatically go to the chefsin the kitchen because that the
(26:09):
the hotels cook their meals forus.
And I'll go, I say, just give mea chicken, you know, a piece of
protein, chicken and salad.
Because in Europe a lot, therewas a lot of mad cow stuff going
on over there.
Sure.
So I didn't want the beef, Ididn't eat any pork, and so you
know, so all my teammates waslike, Oh, that guy is so he's so
arrogant or bougie or something.
Like, look at him missing.
(26:30):
But I tell you what, by thatyeah, but by that third day in
Italy when they gave them pastafor breakfast, lunch, and
dinner, it was like, Can we havewhat he has, you know?
Right.
So yeah, but I was always a realclean eater to this day.
Like, okay, well, that's good,yeah.
And so it wasn't my I try to addthings to the diet like the
omega's fish, like the uhsalmon, but now you're looking
(26:50):
at the salmon in the store.
SPEAKER_00 (26:51):
I know now they're making it in a stainless steel
kettle.
Yeah, it's it's it's you know,food is a whole nother
conversation, and I I I I talk alot about food because it's you
know instrumental in my healingright now, and it's a whole
different conversation.
But um, I I want to get into uhyour experience with others, you
(27:12):
know, you you've taken whatyou've learned and what you're
benefiting, and you've you knowcommitted yourself to providing
this to people in need and andand educating people.
You got this TikTok channel,you're out there talking about
this, you're um, you know, andand I I know the whole court
case thing is scary as hell, andwe talked about it last time,
(27:36):
and it's I don't know that Iwant to go too deep into it
because we don't know, like yougot some big heavy hitter with a
red dot on your forehead, andyou don't know who it is or what
it is, and it's not good, butyou're you're staying tough and
and and you know staying in thefight, which I respect deeply.
(27:57):
But as much as that, you know,the fact that you're willing to
uh take your experience and andthe knowledge that you've
gained, um, and and and you'reworking to build um you've got a
nonprofit now, and you're you'reraising funds to uh make
available this amazing therapyto people who need it without
(28:21):
them having to come up with that200 bucks a pop or 20 grand to
buy the thing, and or maybe it'sonly 15 grand now, but still
it's like not something mostpeople have in their expendable
income to go and to buy.
No, yeah, you know, and and soum I'm I'm really I'm really not
just intrigued, but I'm I'mexcited about that.
(28:43):
And I know that um, you know, Ihave plans on integrating that
into our garden therapies thatwe have here.
And one day, you know, it's allabout funding, it's all about
finding the people, and that'spart of what I want to talk
about.
Um is is you know, it's hardwhen you're doing all this stuff
yourself.
Have you built a team of peoplearound you that are that are
(29:05):
helping to to bring your messageout there?
And and you know, I mean, you'vegot a you got reach, people know
who you are, you got a dynamicpersonality, you got a crazy
story, like you got all theingredients to take this thing
anywhere you want to go.
SPEAKER_01 (29:22):
Well, the thing is, like, I really um when this
thing when I first foundtreatment, I found it during
after the court case was wasstarted, had started already.
I there was no help for me.
And see, I was the perfectperson to do this because I was
dying, man.
I I don't want to be here, anduh like the I I I gotta say, I
(29:44):
make sure I say this next part,right?
There were some people whowanted to do a documentary about
me, right?
Okay, so they they go to thebiggest people in the world,
these are these are the realHollywood producers, sure.
So they went to go pitch thisthing to the regular people they
pitch it to, and they found outthat there's some really big
people.
People fighting this informationcoming out, some really big
people watching me.
And I warned him that.
(30:04):
I told him, I said, guys, Imight be wrong, but I'm not
sure.
And I could just be a littleparanoid, but I think my life
might be on the line because ofwhat the things that I'm saying
right now in this case.
And I said, But don't worryabout that.
I said, and I warned thembecause I worry about their them
and their families and theirwell-being.
I said, I don't care what theydo to me.
Right.
And all like they can't, if theytake me out right now, they're
(30:25):
gonna be doing me a favor.
You know, but my message is outhere now, and it's too late for
them to unhear what I've beensaying.
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (30:33):
You know, and that was really the truth of it,
guys.
Like make people make me out tobe this hero, guys.
No, I had nothing left.
And I'm watching my teammates,and then when I realized they
wouldn't stop, you know, theywon't warn a youth.
That was the number one thing Irequested.
Warn a youth before they start.
SPEAKER_00 (30:47):
Right.
And I'm like, I dip this thingbefore, you know, fix it before
it's a problem.
SPEAKER_01 (30:53):
Yeah.
Sorry, the problem.
The same way they tricked meover there, they tricked y'all
the same way.
They didn't tell me this wasgonna happen, but they knew.
And I know because one of theemployees who worked there told
me they couldn't find helmets,they were safe but aerodynamics.
Wow, they let me know.
Guess what?
These are the wrong peoplerunning our Olympic team.
We need people in there who'sgonna look out there for the
athletes, right?
SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
Right.
Yeah, they want that extraquarter second or more than they
worry about you bashing yourbrain.
SPEAKER_01 (31:19):
That's not what they want.
That's not what they want.
You know what they really want?
What's that?
People I know now who run thebobsled office or athletes who
were used to be bobsledders.
Okay, so as they leave thesport, they get this job and it
pays them pretty good salary.
So the most of them aren'tprobably aren't qualified to do
anything else because this isall they've been doing since
they were teenagers, you know.
(31:40):
And so, like for me and everyathlete that I know who deal
with this issue, we couldn't seeit on ourselves, right?
So they're no different, eventhough some of those coaches are
really bad off right now.
Those are the ones people toldme all the athletes, they gave
me a list of people who theyknow who's suffering, and a lot
of them still working at office.
So if you have someone with CTEwho might not recognize they're
(32:02):
dealing with CTE, they're notgonna look out for the people
around them who's gonna get CTE.
Wow.
So they they're really that'sjust like having uh uh a person
who's actively uh um alcoholicstill drinking, and he's trying
to mentor the next guy to notdrink.
Like, no, it doesn't work likethat.
You gotta teach and show somehealthy things, and so that's
(32:26):
that's mainly what some of theproblems are.
SPEAKER_00 (32:29):
Is it yeah?
You got kind of a two-phasemission.
One is education and bringingawareness of this problem and
solution to the table.
The problem itself can bemitigated by better equipment,
by better practices, but it'snot likely to happen because
(32:49):
you're dealing with this, youknow, um, archetypal institution
of a sport that, like you said,to change the whole way the
sport is done.
And they're not likely to dothat.
SPEAKER_01 (33:01):
Well, it's an easy change.
All you do is remove those termsthat we remove the extreme
turns, and it's a much differentsport.
SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
Yeah, yeah.
And it could be done, you know.
Football, they've changed a lotof rules and and and they've
worked on making it safer,they've changed equipment,
they've changed a lot of things,and I don't know that it's had
the effect that they want yet,and they won't know for a while,
but at least they're addressingit on some level.
But that's yeah, that's a sportwhere people are smacking their
(33:30):
heads together on purpose, andit's not, you know, everybody
knows that that's something thatis is is a thing, or boxing, you
know.
They're I don't know what theycould do about boxing.
That's the whole sport is tobeat each other.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (33:45):
So it's did we talk about uh Leon Spinks?
No, no.
Oh, he's from he's from ahometown, St.
Louis.
Okay.
I happen to be in Las Vegasright right before COVID kicked
off.
All right, some of my buddies weall got together and seen each
other in years.
We met in Vegas, so uh he'sthere doing autographs, right?
Okay, and all he's writing, hehas a piece of paper right here.
(34:07):
It says Leon Spinks, WorldChamp, 1978.
Wow, so he's writing anautograph, right?
He's writing it, he's looking atthe paper, writing it, looking
at the paper.
He almost had to trace his ownautograph.
Wow, yeah, and I was just like,it's before I didn't know what
was wrong with me.
Like, I still think I haddiabetes, you know.
(34:29):
Right.
And so when my symptoms reallykicked in, and my teammate
committed suit, the last onecommitted suicide, and his
autopsy came out, and Iconnected the dots.
Oh, this is what this is, it hasa name now, we know what it is.
Right.
I could think about all thetimes I met people under this
condition, like Leon Spenks.
Right.
I'm like, oh my god, am I gonnabe that bad?
(34:50):
Is it gonna go that far?
Because I'm already cloudy everyday.
Like I can see the writing onthe wall, right?
Like I'm in trouble.
I'm in trouble.
No, it's wasn't this thing.
No, it's never gonna get betteron its own.
That's it gets this is slowly,it gets a little bit worse.
Slowly, slowly, slowly untilthey really kick in.
And then when them symptomsreally start kicking in, you're
(35:10):
like, okay, that's why peoplegiving up.
Like if you're gonna lay on thatfloor or on that couch or that
stay in that bed, and that's allyou can do all day, it's a
matter of time before you justkind of give up on life.
SPEAKER_00 (35:23):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (35:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (35:26):
You've got these heavy hitters sort of putting a
dark cloud over you saying, youknow, keep away from this guy.
We we we're we're watching him,and and that skips people off
like crazy.
Like, you know, it's like havingthe mob come and send you a
little message, you know, get aa head of something delivered to
your bed, you know.
It's like, oh I gotta watch whatI'm doing.
(35:48):
And and and why would you gonear that guy if if he's gonna
bring you this?
And and you know, people don'thave the the heart to to to jump
into a fight when they when theyshould sometimes.
And so, yeah, how are you seeingyourself get through this?
You know, I mean, this is oneway we just keep talking.
(36:10):
I'm gonna keep talking.
And that's that's where I'm at.
That's what that's one of thereasons that I want to, you
know, uh help you any way I can.
Is this is a powerful message.
People need to hear this.
We can make a difference in theworld.
I don't have the reach or thethe you know the the tools yet,
but I'm working on it.
We're growing all the time.
(36:30):
Yeah.
And and you know, over time,maybe I'll be a better uh better
ally, you know, in that in thatvenue.
But meanwhile, you know, you gota lot going on and a lot of
potential to quickly, you know,put this legacy in front of you,
and and regardless of whateverhappened or didn't happen to
(36:51):
you, because you don't know, youknow, I mean, who knows?
Maybe something terriblehappens, or maybe they go away
and give up and you you go on toprosper.
I mean, you know, it it could goany which way, we don't know.
But meanwhile, you're buildingsomething that can live on long
beyond you and and yeah, and anddo this.
So, what's your what's it looklike?
SPEAKER_01 (37:13):
Well, I already have the building that I want to use.
Uh I'm trying to recycle what Ican get to easy.
SPEAKER_00 (37:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:19):
Um, my my daddy has this building, he just retired a
few years ago.
Okay, and um he had hit asuccessful roofing company.
So that building sent empty.
He's about to sell it, and I'mlike, wait a minute, dad.
Before you sell this building,let me let me see if I can
figure some things out.
All right.
So I'm ready to get thatbuilding for you know, peanut
peanuts, you know, like not muchmoney.
(37:39):
And um, like if I open here inLA, the same size building, it's
gonna cost me probably 15,20,000 for a building that size.
Oh, yeah.
And um, that means for where Ican purchase that building and
build it out, that's like a yearof rent here.
Yeah, exactly.
So that's the reason why I wantto do it there.
SPEAKER_00 (38:00):
This is in the Midwest, you're talking about.
SPEAKER_01 (38:01):
Yep, so St.
Louis, right in the middle ofthe United States, center spot.
SPEAKER_00 (38:04):
I love it.
I love it.
You know, it's wild.
It's like uh people have no ideaif you don't if if you spend
your time living in California,you don't realize what it's like
in other places, like gasoline'stwo bucks a gallon, yeah, and
and you know, rents are lessthan a thousand bucks a month
for a little house, evensometimes, you know.
(38:25):
I mean, it's like it'sunbelievable.
Like I know people all aroundthe country, and it's like they
tell me about what they're youknow, they're paying to just
live in a little suburban townin Kansas or or Arkansas or
wherever, and you're just like,what?
You know, how I can't, I can't,I can't pay for my basic
(38:46):
utilities for that, and you'reyou know, you're living.
And so, you know, it's it's it'samazing what you can do.
And and in this world right now,if you're able to build this
thing, there's gonna be peoplein in that sphere of influence
that'll benefit enough that'lltake this thing to the next
level where you'll be able toput up another one in another
(39:08):
spot.
You know, this is uh there's twotwo phases to this.
One's the education part, whichwill grow as you're doing more
things, you're gonna be buildingmore educational content and
have more um more awareness.
Your your your light shinesbrighter, the the channel tunes
easier, all of those things.
But the the actual footprint oftouching people, that's the part
(39:32):
that you got to get established.
And I think I think you're onthe right, you're on the right
path.
So, what's your timeline lookinglike for that?
SPEAKER_01 (39:40):
Well, you know, um, we we kind of did things a
little bit backwards.
Well, I did.
Um, I set the crowdfunding up,released it way before it was
time to uh start promoting it.
SPEAKER_00 (39:50):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (39:51):
And I did that because actually I originally
set this up um two years ago.
And my lawyers, they they toldme, hey, say don't press, don't
do the press release.
They said, um, these doctors aregonna come and they're gonna
help you guys.
He said, so don't do it rightnow.
We're about to settle this case,and uh the doctors are coming,
they're gonna save you, don'tworry.
(40:12):
Okay, so fast forward, we get tothe point, case is about to end.
They present me this offer.
The offer says zero treatment,no treatment, they only want to
evaluate us.
And I'm thinking, I said, guys,you made me wait two years to
help other people because yousaid these doctors were coming,
but now you're saying no doctorsare coming.
(40:33):
Right.
And they said, Well, we alwaystold you no doctors were coming.
It's only about uh medicalevaluation.
So, matter of fact, at the lastcourt hearing, I went in our
email and I pulled out an emailthey sent me, and this thing
said medical monitoring and carefor life.
Ah, and I showed it to thejudge.
I said, Your Honor, look at thisoffer, right?
There is no care in here at all.
Right.
And I asked the I asked thejudge, I said, Your Honor, would
(40:54):
you send your child to a doctor?
I mean to a doctor that won'tthat won't help him, you won't
help him.
Like, what would be the point ofthat?
Yeah, and so the judge told mehe was like, Well, he said, at
the end of the day, when theoffers come through, he's gonna
have to look at it as well.
Because they're trying to bullythe hell out of me, just to be
blunt with it.
They're trying to bully me tosettle this.
So my and to be honest, my lawteam is now standing tight with
(41:18):
uh defense lawyers, they'retogether.
SPEAKER_00 (41:21):
The last episode that was yeah stuff, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:24):
So, yeah, so the the just at the end of the day, he's
gonna have to look at it and seeif it's you know a fair offer
for the class.
So I I even though I'm stillalone, I don't feel quite as
alone, but I'm gonna do the samething I've been doing, Your
Honor.
This is not a good deal.
I'm not voting.
I'm not told him if you want to,you know, you can end this case,
but like I'm gonna stand firm onwhat I believe.
(41:47):
I you know, when the courts aregonna do what the courts are
gonna do, but the scary part isI'm not qualified to be here um
standing like they got some ofthe most expensive lawyers in
the world right now.
SPEAKER_00 (42:00):
Yeah, I mean you had David Shapiro walk away from
you, so I mean that's like yeah,geez, Louise, like what do you
do?
Well, listen, William, we did itagain.
We burned up more time than Igenerally allot, and we have
another interview coming up inlike 10 minutes.
SPEAKER_01 (42:14):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (42:16):
I'm always around, you can always find it.
Yeah, but you know what?
I really want to do is as thisthing progresses, I would love
to have you.
I have guests that come onregularly, and we share a story
that's evolving.
And I'd love for you to to jointhat, you know, that that
legion.
I think that this is animportant story that I want to
carry on and help you in any waythat I can.
(42:38):
And this is one thing I canoffer is you know, the ability
to share updates.
So anytime you see that there'suh an update or something you
want to it's coming, add to andshare, please reach out.
Um, and um, you know, again, Iwe don't live more than an hour
and hour and a bit of away fromeach other.
I'd love to show you my gardenand uh yeah, some of the stuff
(42:59):
we're doing, and and you know,I'd love to meet you in person
for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (43:03):
Yeah, I we'll have to make that happen.
SPEAKER_00 (43:05):
Excellent.
All right, well, William.
Um Find my crowdfunding, guys.
SPEAKER_01 (43:09):
We need you.
I can't do it whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (43:11):
Yeah, yeah.
Tell everybody how to find yourcrowdfunding and your TikTok
channel.
Give us all that again.
SPEAKER_01 (43:15):
It's all one man with a chamber.
One man with a chamber, guys.
Please read between the lines,guys.
I was in dementia.
How many of our loved ones werethere and came back from there?
I came back from there and itcame from the chamber.
It wasn't what I went there for,but that's what it did.
So do the research, it's outthere for Alzheimer's, for
dementia.
(43:36):
There's treatments for withhyperbaric as well.
So, and I'm I'm a walkingtestimonial to it.
SPEAKER_00 (43:41):
Powerful, powerful.
Well, again, I I I have deeprespect for you, your integrity,
your courage, and and just youknow, living it, walking the
walk.
It's it's it's hard to findfolks that are willing to do
that.
And I I stand with you.
SPEAKER_01 (43:55):
Uh thank you, appreciate you.
SPEAKER_00 (43:57):
And I look forward to having you back again.
This has been another episode ofthe Healthy Living Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, andwe really want to thank all the
listeners that make thispossible and take some time.
Um, look into these guests andand and see the good work that
they're doing.
And uh, we will see you nexttime.
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