Grief can steal your breath, your sleep, and the story you thought your family would live. Our guest, Marcia Earhart, invites us into the raw center of losing two sons—first in a sudden car accident, then, five years later, to murder—and shows how faith, daily surrender, and practical tools can carry us when nothing else makes sense. She shares the quiet rituals that steadied her nights, the way she borrowed strength to be present for her children, and why forgiveness became a discipline that unfolded at different speeds for each family member.
We explore how Marcia reframed “broken” into “broken open,” like a seed splitting so new life can rise, and how that insight shapes The Sterling Rose Sanctuary, a healing vision rooted in gardens, rest, and gentle, trauma-aware care. From avoiding video to reduce performance pressure for clients, to designing three- to five-day retreats for families to reset, the approach blends grief counseling, faith-based trauma support, forgiveness practice, and therapeutic horticulture into a grounded roadmap for recovery. Along the way, Marcia explains why she will not tether her peace to a court verdict and how choosing presence over distraction transforms suffering into purpose.
If you’re searching for grief support that honors your pace and your faith, you’ll find practical ways to breathe again, quiet rituals for nighttime anxiety, and a hopeful path toward rebuilding identity after loss. Marcia’s book, Gripping Grace in the Garden of Grief: A Place for the Heart, offers companion guidance, and The Sterling Rose Sanctuary welcomes outreach from anyone needing care. Join us, share this story with someone who needs it, and if our work serves you, subscribe, rate, and leave a review to help more people find a way back to life.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
Well, hello, and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine.
And today we've got a veryspecial guest.
Her name is Marta Earhart.
And Marta's life story is notjust one of trials, it's a
testament.
We walked through and emergedfrom deep grief, including the
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loss of two stones andovercoming 17 personal losses
before adulthood.
As a certified coach at LifeGrief Trauma Brain and Mental
Health, Mark learns ourexperiment experimental work
done with practical strategiesof offering listeners both
compassion and actionablesupport.
We've got the HeartbreakMinistry and as the founder of
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the Sterling Road Sanctuaryweave together faith,
therapeutic knowledge, and aroadmap for those wrestling with
heartbreak.
Martha, you know, wow, what abeautiful um introduction.
And, you know, we had a littleconversation prior to this, and
you said a beautiful prayer overme.
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And uh I just want to thank you.
That's uh a beautifulintroduction and welcome to the
show.
We're so grateful to have you.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
Um it's a pleasure to be here with you, Joe.
I'm excited.
Um uh, first of all, for whatyou do, for the outreach that
you truly are a warrior that is,you know, reaching out to others
and saying you too can be awarrior.
And I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
100%.
Well, apparently you're one aswell.
So um I'd like to jump into, youknow, it sounds like wow, what a
what a tragic story um losingtwo sons.
And um why don't you tell us alittle bit about you know these
events that brought you to thisministry and this work that
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you're doing now?
SPEAKER_00 (01:52):
Well, our oldest son at 21 was in law school living
with us and uh tragically diedin a car accident uh second
semester of his first year, andlife changed uh immediately.
Uh my younger children no longerwere children.
They had to grow up, their liveschanged exponentially, and we
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died as a family.
We died as to who we were, andwe actually that's a passage
that we chose to walk through togo on and receive that death
because I didn't want to be, andmy kids didn't want to be who
that person was before becauseour oldest son Sterling was no
longer going to be with us.
And um, I think that quite oftenwhen we have loss, we want to
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hold on to what was.
And therefore, we really cannotembrace where we are and where
we need to be moving.
So because of my training andbecause of um my deep faith and
our family's deep faith, weturned our hearts to the Lord.
We surrendered over, and it wasa process of just going in every
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day, and every one of thoseemotions, every one of those
painful, sorrowing tears thatwere shed, we just gave it over.
And the Lord met us.
He met us in that place, hecomforted me, he uh poured out
his love over me.
Um, initially, I could not go tosleep at night because it
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happened.
Um, we were notified on February14th um on Valentine's Day.
And his accident had happened umthat night and um in the wee
hours of the morning and or inthe hours of morning.
And when I laid down at night, Ijust I really wrestled, and the
mind wanted to try and startresolving this this loss.
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And so I just said to thefather, I need you right now.
I cannot sleep.
And he said, Put your head on mychest.
Wow, and I laid my head in bedand I just I put my head on his
chest, and and and physically Ifelt Jesus and Holy Spirit
enshroud and cover me and holdme.
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And those nights that thathappened, I went into this deep
abiding with the Trinity.
I don't know that I slept, but Iwoke up or got up the next day
very rested.
SPEAKER_02 (04:28):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (04:29):
So they were they were so present and they did not
leave me.
They were not gonna forsake me.
Of course they wouldn't.
They love me dearly as much asthey love my son.
And so as I did that, there werejust a lot of exchanges that I
had with Father, with Jesus, andHoly Spirit that really allowed
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for me to be strengthened bythem.
I did not have strength enoughmyself.
I think to others, it lookedlike I was this victorious
warrior.
Um I really wasn't.
I was showing the strength ofthe Lord as he embodies us in
our weakness.
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And so I praise him for thatbecause he's true and faithful
to tell us that, you know, inour weakness, he's our strength.
He really was.
He really became all of that tome and for me.
And honestly, I think even moreso, he was allowing me to be
able to have that strength, tobe able to be present with my
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other children, to enter theirpain, to be able to hear them
and not just put my pain beforetheirs.
SPEAKER_01 (05:48):
You know, it's it's incredible the the story you
share.
I I share in my own way.
Um, and so many people that havebeen through very difficult
times, whether it's their ownhealth or a loved one, or you
know, whatever.
There's so many tragedies thatcan happen in life, but it's at
those moments of completeweakness where you just
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literally say, I can't do it onmy own.
I need your help.
Like that place where it's justokay.
And uh, I had a similarexperience when I was literally
looking at at death's door, youknow, I saw doctors coming in
and I had to go, wow, I don'tthink it's my time, but if you
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want to take me, I guess, youknow, I'm here I am.
And um all of a sudden rightthen it's like, oh, you're okay.
And uh and I I I started gettingstrong after that.
So I I I it's it's uh it's it'sit's wild because you're you
talk about trying to make senseof things and you can't you
can't reckon like why anythingyou can't you you can't see uh
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any sense in it because it makesno sense, you know?
And yet you're able to find yourfeet, find your voice, and carry
on.
SPEAKER_00 (07:10):
Well, and in that moment, and there's just this
there's a really uh well,there's a lot of profound
moments with the Trinity that Ihad, but one that was kind of
life-changing for me is um I wascrying, I was in worship, and
just was the presence of the theSpirit of God was on me, and I
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just was feeling the depth ofloss, and I kind of bent over,
um, and my tears were falling onmy feet.
And the Lord, I it is just as ifI'm looking at you.
Jesus was right there, and hesaid, I have every tear, and he
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was crying, he was crying rightbeside me, and the tears were
splashing on my feet.
Wow, and he said, I'm collectingevery tear with mine, and I'm
cleansing you.
Wow, and I was undone.
SPEAKER_01 (08:18):
Yeah, I could imagine.
SPEAKER_00 (08:19):
Wow, I can't at just the depth of his love and the
depth of, and I and I evenremember saying, because he he
did weep with me every time, andI said, You're weeping.
He said, Marsha, I love you.
This is never what I would wantfor you or any of my children to
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experience.
But death is a part of thislife, right?
And that's why I came toovercome it.
I mean, we just had thesewonderful exchanges that were
just life changing in the spiritrealm for me.
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And as he and I and I and again,he showed me the bottle, and the
bottle was absolutely beautiful.
It was just this radi, itradiated.
I mean, the tears, his tears andmy tears were like this radiance
streaming from the bottle, andyet that that's cleansing me.
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It's it's the very thing he'susing to renew me and to breathe
life back into my lungs becausein grief we know that it's very
hard to breathe.
We become very shallow in ourbreathing and his breath, I
would feel his breath fill me,and I I could feel it, and I he
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was he was the one doing thebreathing for me.
And so it it's really holyground, our grief stories.
If we invite the Father andJesus and Holy Spirit in, it is,
and so I mean, as we dealt withthat loss, our family was
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walking through the journey ofdealing with and working through
those losses, and we had gottento year five, and it really was
where a turning point for myyoungest son, who was 12 at the
time when his oldest brother hadpassed, and it had been such a
difficult journey for him, anduh it was the first year we hit
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the end of September.
Uh, the end of September is myoldest birthday, we just
celebrated it last weekend,okay, and um and then our
birthdays, my son, who's 12, andmy birthday are on the same day
in two weeks.
And so the first year we hitthis milestone where it didn't
cause an implosion for myyoungest son.
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And then literally within aweek, my second son was murdered
with his girlfriend from anex-boyfriend who had been
estranged for over a year and ahalf, and we started the journey
yet again.
Yeah, um, but the grace, thegoodness of God was so present.
And you know, people say, Well,sometimes you don't talk as much
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about the second.
And I said, Well, what I need tosay is that God had given us
everything that we needed, so wewent back to the well to pull up
the yeah, and so we we we hadhim to go to, we knew and he
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gave us the refreshing.
It doesn't mean that it was lessdifficult in the sense that it's
still grief.
Oh, yeah, but we had thesethings in our toolbox, right?
That we knew how to access themand to let them come into us and
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make the changes necessary, andthis time we had something else
we needed to deal with, whichwas forgiving.
SPEAKER_01 (12:11):
Right, wow.
SPEAKER_00 (12:13):
So my daughter, who at the time, you know, she would
have been 18, 19, maybe at thetime, I believe 60, 60, 20, she
was 20 at the time.
Um, my daughter and I were ableto forgive very quickly the
murderer.
But the struggle became for myhusband and my youngest son.
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And to watch how the Lord didwhat he did with both of them to
bring them to a place where theyare able and we're able to
forgive and and now pray for,pray for this man, pray for him
in his life, pray for hissalvation because there's no
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win-win situation.
No, I mean, so there's you know,I and Joe, this is kind of how I
look at it.
My husband initially is like, Idon't know how you can forgive
him so easily, and I said,Because I've murdered in my
mind.
SPEAKER_01 (13:14):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (13:15):
I have.
Yeah, I wish people I havewished people dead.
I've thought, I mean, I'm I'mgonna be honest.
I mean, you know, I and Ibecause and I said, So I even
though I may not have pulled atrigger, I may not have stabbed
them with a knife, the thoughtwas there, the action within my
my framework, and God forgaveme.
SPEAKER_01 (13:36):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (13:37):
And who am I to not forgive, but to withhold that?
And um that's your job, really.
Well, it is, isn't it?
All of our jobs to really beable to understand the depth of
the forgiveness that we'regiven, to be able to extend that
to someone else.
SPEAKER_02 (13:55):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (13:56):
I mean, so so we started in that journey and we
pressed in and we startedbecoming yet again another
family.
Because again, we died to thefamily we had become in that
five years.
SPEAKER_01 (14:10):
Yeah, you have to though.
You can't, you know, we moveforward, we don't ever go
backwards.
That's right.
That's right.
If you get stuck and you can'tget past it, then you start
going backwards, and it's it'sit's so unhealthy, and you'll
you'll destroy yourselfeventually if you stay there.
And the only way you can moveforward is to let go of what you
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were, uh, because that's that'sthe only way.
Wow, wow.
So your husband and youryoungest have finally come
around and and have been able tolet go and and and forgive.
And this guy that did this, hewas caught and and is being
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dealt with, or what what whathappened with him?
SPEAKER_00 (14:57):
Uh he was not caught until a year later.
He's been sitting he's beensitting in jail and has not gone
before a judge yet.
SPEAKER_01 (15:04):
Wow.
So this is recent.
SPEAKER_00 (15:06):
This is five years.
He's been in jail for fiveyears.
The incident happened six yearsago, October 26th this year.
Six years ago.
SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
That's still recent.
I mean, that's just uh Yes.
Yes.
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (15:19):
So I mean, you know, people like no, it doesn't
bother me because regardless ofwhat happens in the court
system, see, God has the lastword.
SPEAKER_02 (15:26):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:28):
I I'm not worried about that.
I'm not it's really not yourbusiness.
No, I'm not hinging on thatmoment.
I haven't been again.
We can be sidetracked by fromthe father's work by the
distractions of this world andthe things that happen, and we
can choose to see it for what itis, or we get lost in it, or we
just go on and go, you knowwhat?
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I want to do just like whatyou're doing, I want to do the
Lord's work.
I want to love, I want to beable to bring healing to other
people, I want other people tobreathe again and move again and
live again the way they werecreated to.
So from my own experiences, Ican reach beside and behind me
to really love on and bringpeople into that space and hold
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it for them so they can havehealing.
SPEAKER_01 (16:14):
You know, it's wild.
It it seems that when somebodygoes through a tragedy or you
know, an extreme difficulty andaccept the gift of being able to
help people that have that sameproblem, it seems that people
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find you.
That that, like, you know, youwalk through wherever you're
going, and before all thishappened, you would connect with
certain people and have thingsyou might talk about.
But now you're gonna probablyfind people that share something
in common with your experiencethat just lock onto you and
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start talking to you.
Has that happened?
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
All the time.
Yeah, but it happened evenbefore, and I think the reason
why is because I had the 17losses by the time I was 18.
SPEAKER_02 (17:05):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (17:06):
So people have always unpacked their story with
me, Joe, no matter where I am.
And my five kids startedlearning no matter where we go.
Mom's gonna, you know, peopleare gonna tell their story, mom,
and we just need to patientlywait.
My kids are amazing because itdid happen.
And I just told my kids, I said,we always have to know that we
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stop and we give people space.
Right.
And so they've learned to bevery gracious with their time
and how they um and and how theyare present with people when
there's because people just theydon't even know they don't even
know my experience.
And then start saying, I don'tknow why I'm telling you this.
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I've never told anybody this.
And I just and I just nod and Isaid, It's okay, you're in a
safe place.
I do, I always assure themyou're in a safe place because
you know that part could startwondering, why am I doing this?
Why I never do this, and it'sokay.
SPEAKER_02 (18:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:06):
So I love that that's kind of and God, that's
God.
To me, that is God allowing thema someone who absolutely does
them well.
SPEAKER_01 (18:15):
No, you're spot on, and that's you know, that's how
God works.
I mean, you know, you just goand if your heart's right and
you're in and you say I'm I'mhere to do the the work, it just
unfolds, you know, and just up.
Here you go, here's one, here'sone.
And so you've gone throughliterally most of your life with
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people sharing their storieswith you, and of course, all
these things that you've gonethrough.
And then, of course, you know,this this experience um of your
tremendous faith and and yourfamily holding together.
And, you know, this is these arethings that tear families apart,
frankly.
And and instead, you know, yourfamily has grown strong and and
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stayed that way.
SPEAKER_00 (19:03):
Um, how did you my my husband and I did struggle
with our marriage for a while?
My husband was living among thedead, I was living among the
living.
And we actually had thatconversation.
I said, um, I'm I need to liveamong the living.
I mean, you can either join me,but I can't come among the dead.
I mean, I just can't.
So, you know, we were he he gotto a point where he was like,
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You're right.
And he was intentional ingetting back in and making the
decision, I'm gonna move into adirection where I'm in this
marriage and I'm really presentagain.
I'm in this family and I'mpresent.
Um, and and in all honesty, wecan't make other people work
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through their grief.
And it was never my intention,but I just told them, I said, I
can't, I can't do this.
Right because you're you'reyou're going in the pit.
And I'm not a I'm not a pitperson.
I don't I don't go and and stayin the pit.
Um, I God's given us lifeline ofJesus to get out of the pit.
I want to stay out of the pit asmuch as I can.
SPEAKER_01 (20:08):
Every day, every day, you got a few days.
So you gotta you got a choiceevery morning.
Like that's what I always say.
I go, yeah, woke up, I'm here,I'm breathing, let's get out
there and do it.
You know, I have a gift ofanother day.
And and you know, when werecognize that, you know, this
is the day the Lord has made,let us rejoice and be glad.
Yeah, and and that always ringsin my heart, you know, when I
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wake up, it's like, okay, let'sgo, you know, and if I feel
lousy, I say, well, too bad,let's get up and shake it off,
you know, or maybe I'll lay andlay around a little more.
But the intention is, okay,well, we're gonna get up as soon
as we're a little better.
And and we do.
SPEAKER_00 (20:48):
Well, you Well, it reminded me, let me just tell
you, when you were saying that,it reminded me, and I know you
know what I'm gonna say.
For any of us who've battledthat place that it's hard to get
up, I just it reminds me thatLord, your mercies are new every
day, and I have to choose toreceive your mercy today, even
though I feel like it wasyesterday.
SPEAKER_02 (21:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:10):
It it it's it's a mindset because the mind is what
we battle.
SPEAKER_01 (21:15):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (21:15):
And if we align our mind and have the transforming
of Christ in our mind, then wecan walk in that new day.
Because we're we're coming intoalignment with his truth, with
what he has spoken, instead oflistening to the lies of the
enemy, saying, Yeah, it's justlike yesterday, this is gonna
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suck, and you're just gonna,it's just gonna get worse.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:41):
No, that's that's that's 100%.
And and you know, it's a it'sbeing present all the time is
key to all of this, because youknow, like you say, the the
distraction is where the enemygets us, you know, takes our
mind off of being present andtakes us to something else,
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whatever it is.
Maybe it's a a a bad rut, ormaybe it's a fear and anxiety,
maybe it's a doubt and all ofthose things, and it takes us
away from our present.
And that's it straight up.
You you nailed it.
And and you know, so beingmindful and present and uh
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connected, that's it, that's it.
We stay there and and and wekeep moving forward.
Well, you went from all of thisto creating a sanctuary and a
ministry.
I I I don't want to gloss overthat.
I know that this is a big partof this conversation.
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Why don't you tell us a littlebit about that trans transition
or how how you went to that?
SPEAKER_00 (22:54):
Well, I didn't.
God called it in 2017.
Okay and he gave me a vision andhe said, I want you to write it
down.
You need to start this ministry.
He gave the name, he gave everyroom that is to be in this place
because it is to be a physicalplace, but really aligned
everything.
And it's it's if on the SterlingRose Sanctuary on the website,
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if people go under uh theCapitol campaign, it tells some
of the rooms, what those rooms,what we do.
Um, the Sterling Rose Sanctuary,Sterling was our son's name.
The rose was his favorite flowerbecause you cannot have the rose
without the thorns.
How significant is that?
And that's one of the things heloved about the rose.
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There were many significantthings that he had shared as to
why he, you know, Jesus is therose of Sharon.
We can go on and on.
But what we do is we help peopleunpack the thorns so they can
appreciate each petal in thatrosebud.
SPEAKER_01 (23:56):
And so this is a physical place.
SPEAKER_00 (23:59):
Not yet.
We're raising money, but rightnow, um, I work with people all
over the US and in six differentcountries, uh, ushering them
into healing, delivering themfrom the pain and the trauma
that they have lived in, intoplaces of restoring their joy
back with the Lord so they canlive in their creative design,
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Joe.
Because when people have not hadthat releasing, it defines their
life.
SPEAKER_02 (24:27):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (24:28):
And so um it is wholly ground.
And what I can say is to try anddescribe what that looks like.
I feel like it cheats uh theTrinity of everything that they
do to love well each child ofthe fathers.
And so this it will be aphysical place, but we embody
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that place, my children, myhusband, myself.
So we have traveled, we havegone to be with people who have
lost a child, who have lost aspouse.
We have been present when thenews was being told to them that
their child passed.
Um, we have, you know, thatspace to be present when we need
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to be present.
And people come to us, but mostof my work is done on the phone,
all over, and I'm not on Zoom.
I don't usually see people.
And the reason why is because ifyou're coming in with trauma, if
you've got shame, if you've gotguilt, if you feel like you've
been abandoned or rejected, oryou're feeling like you've come
from a place of performance, mylooking at you can shut those
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parts down.
It can make them startperforming or make them feel
like they're going to berejected if their true self is
visible, if their true part.
So I don't see most of myclients, but what I can tell
you, the Father and Jesus andHoly Spirit sees them, and
that's what's important, and heknows them by name and he meets
them where they are and he healsthem and delivers them into new
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life.
And so the Sterling RoseSanctuary was up and moving, and
then when Mark was murdered, oursecond son, the enemy said,
Well, that ended that.
And the Lord said, No, the rootsjust got deeper.
And I'm like, Yes, that's socool.
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So, I mean, again, we have tolisten and be in an attentive uh
listener to the things the Lordhas and not listen to the lies.
So the Sterling Rose Sanctuary'sintention is to see all people,
believers and non-believers,healed.
Because Jesus in Isaiah said hecame to set the captive free.
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But first, he opens wide theprison door to set the captive
free, and then in setting themfree, he is close to the
brokenhearted and he will healthe brokenhearted so that he can
rebuild their ruins.
How much better can that be?
And so when we have a rebuiltruin, we're better than we were
before.
SPEAKER_01 (27:10):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (27:11):
So the sanctuary, the place will actually be a
place where an individual coupleor a family will come for three
to five days so that they can uhre be removed from the triggered
trauma they're living in andhave a place of reset, some
resources, um, a place wherethey can feel that
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revitalization and thatresurrection of life.
It's gonna be where they canwalk around outside and there'll
be a garden.
Garden's very important inscripture, and the garden's very
important at the sanctuary forthe Lord.
And yep.
SPEAKER_01 (27:47):
We have here um a nonprofit that we call Gardens
of Hope.
And um we we have a littlebotanical garden and and we use
it for healing and call ittherapeutic horticulture, but
it's yep, it's um a place where,like you said, people can walk
the gardens and and you know letGod do his work.
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And uh I'm right there with you.
I think it's uh it's abeautiful, a beautiful uh plan,
a beautiful it's it, it's I canfeel it's already happened.
Like it just it just needs toget the little bits to finish it
off, but it's it's already.
SPEAKER_00 (28:27):
I mean, we've been raising money, so we just need
to finish raising the money.
And you know, and I look at thatand I think, Lord, this is gonna
be wonderful because see, theLord wants us to reconnect with
Him outside, right?
In nature, it people, evennon-Christians, they reconnect
because there's life and there'sabundant life, and there's
there's you know, new thingsgrowing.
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It reminds us that life comesfrom that that looks dead, and
life comes from the seeds thatare planted.
And I don't say broken, I don'tlike the word broken.
I know people say Ron Broken.
No, we're broken open.
A seed has to be broken open inorder to start through that
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ground and to come and flourish.
We're broken open, and we have achoice whether we want to keep
on going up, Joe, in that dirtand come through and thrive, or
we just want to die off in theground.
SPEAKER_01 (29:24):
You nailed it.
Wow, what a powerful story.
And you know, a lot of times uhI have guests on and I say,
well, you know, there's notreally much more to say, but um,
I would absolutely love to haveyou back and and continue this
conversation as you know thisdevelops and and as your dream
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and your your plan and yourvision and uh God's plan is is
unfolding.
SPEAKER_02 (29:52):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:53):
I'd love to stay connected and and you know have
you uh come back again and shareshare more of the process.
progress of this.
SPEAKER_00 (30:01):
I would love that.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (30:04):
So you've unpacked so much.
Is there um is there one thoughtthat you would want to share
with our listeners that sort ofsums it all up in in in your
thoughts or in your mind?
SPEAKER_00 (30:18):
Well I want to I want a tool.
I I did write a book calledGripping Grace in the Garden of
Grief, a place for the heart.
It is a book that is a companionto someone who's grieving.
And it's not a book that youjust start and read from
beginning to end.
This really is about yourindividual journey of grief with
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the Father, the Son, and theHoly Spirit.
And I want people to know Hecares about the details.
He cares about their pain.
And he doesn't want anyonewalking through their pain
alone, Joe, and I don't eitherand whether they're a believer
or not I work with unbelieversall the time.
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I want people to know they cancall and we can be available to
them to love on them and walkthem through their pain.
We were never meant to do thisalone.
SPEAKER_01 (31:15):
Right.
And so how do people find you?
This is maybe the that mostimportant piece of this is how
how does somebody get a hold ofyou?
I I assume there's going to bemany people that listen to this
and go, wow, I I I I need totalk to you.
SPEAKER_00 (31:30):
They can go on the Sterling Rose Sanctuary.
It's under whether SterlingroseSanctuary dot us but even if
they look up the Sterling RoseSanctuary, it should come up and
there will be a place on therewhere they can reach out get in
touch and we will get in touchwith them very quickly.
Usually it's within 24 hoursthat we will get back.
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And um then they can read theycan have resources we have
resources on our site for them.
And we just want them to havesuccess in their own journey of
grieving where they can walkthis life out with purpose
again.
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
And and your book how does how is anybody able to
access that?
SPEAKER_00 (32:16):
Yes they can go on Amazon Gripping Grace in the
Garden of Grief Place for theheart is on Amazon.
They can also go to our websiteand they can look at the book
there and it'll take them rightover to Amazon.
So either way they should beable to have access to that.
SPEAKER_01 (32:30):
Beautiful well Marcia this has just been an
incredible journey I feel likewe've just woven our lives
together in a way and I feelconnected and um just know that
I I 100% support your work andand I'm grateful for your faith
and and um just caring caringGod's work.
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I mean I think that that'sthat's that's what we all need
to do is to find our our purposeand it's not always the same.
It's always connected it'salways the same in some way but
we all are given different toolsin different ways and it's
important that we find thosetools and you have done that.
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So thank you so much for joiningus today.
SPEAKER_00 (33:17):
Well thank you so much for what you're doing and
for having me on Joe.
I really appreciate it.
SPEAKER_01 (33:22):
Well it is absolutely my pleasure.
Well this has been anotherepisode of the Healthy Living
Podcast.
I'm your host Joe Grumbine and Iwant to thank all of our
listeners that make the showpossible and we will see you
next time.
Well, hello, and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine.
And today we've got a veryspecial guest.
Her name is Marta Earhart.
And Marta's life story is notjust one of trials, it's a
testament.
We walked through and emergedfrom deep grief, including the
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loss of two stones andovercoming 17 personal losses
before adulthood.
As a certified coach at LifeGrief Trauma Brain and Mental
Health, Mark learns ourexperiment experimental work
done with practical strategiesof offering listeners both
compassion and actionablesupport.
We've got the HeartbreakMinistry and as the founder of
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the Sterling Road Sanctuaryweave together faith,
therapeutic knowledge, and aroadmap for those wrestling with
heartbreak.
Martha, you know, wow, what abeautiful um introduction.
And, you know, we had a littleconversation prior to this, and
you said a beautiful prayer overme.
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And uh I just want to thank you.
That's uh a beautifulintroduction and welcome to the
show.
We're so grateful to have you.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
Um it's a pleasure to be here with you, Joe.
I'm excited.
Um uh, first of all, for whatyou do, for the outreach that
you truly are a warrior that is,you know, reaching out to others
and saying you too can be awarrior.
And I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
100%.
Well, apparently you're one aswell.
So um I'd like to jump into, youknow, it sounds like wow, what a
what a tragic story um losingtwo sons.
And um why don't you tell us alittle bit about you know these
events that brought you to thisministry and this work that
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you're doing now?
SPEAKER_00 (01:52):
Well, our oldest son at 21 was in law school living
with us and uh tragically diedin a car accident uh second
semester of his first year, andlife changed uh immediately.
Uh my younger children no longerwere children.
They had to grow up, their liveschanged exponentially, and we
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died as a family.
We died as to who we were, andwe actually that's a passage
that we chose to walk through togo on and receive that death
because I didn't want to be, andmy kids didn't want to be who
that person was before becauseour oldest son Sterling was no
longer going to be with us.
And um, I think that quite oftenwhen we have loss, we want to
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hold on to what was.
And therefore, we really cannotembrace where we are and where
we need to be moving.
So because of my training andbecause of um my deep faith and
our family's deep faith, weturned our hearts to the Lord.
We surrendered over, and it wasa process of just going in every
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day, and every one of thoseemotions, every one of those
painful, sorrowing tears thatwere shed, we just gave it over.
And the Lord met us.
He met us in that place, hecomforted me, he uh poured out
his love over me.
Um, initially, I could not go tosleep at night because it
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happened.
Um, we were notified on February14th um on Valentine's Day.
And his accident had happened umthat night and um in the wee
hours of the morning and or inthe hours of morning.
And when I laid down at night, Ijust I really wrestled, and the
mind wanted to try and startresolving this this loss.
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And so I just said to thefather, I need you right now.
I cannot sleep.
And he said, Put your head on mychest.
Wow, and I laid my head in bedand I just I put my head on his
chest, and and and physically Ifelt Jesus and Holy Spirit
enshroud and cover me and holdme.
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And those nights that thathappened, I went into this deep
abiding with the Trinity.
I don't know that I slept, but Iwoke up or got up the next day
very rested.
SPEAKER_02 (04:28):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (04:29):
So they were they were so present and they did not
leave me.
They were not gonna forsake me.
Of course they wouldn't.
They love me dearly as much asthey love my son.
And so as I did that, there werejust a lot of exchanges that I
had with Father, with Jesus, andHoly Spirit that really allowed
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for me to be strengthened bythem.
I did not have strength enoughmyself.
I think to others, it lookedlike I was this victorious
warrior.
Um I really wasn't.
I was showing the strength ofthe Lord as he embodies us in
our weakness.
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And so I praise him for thatbecause he's true and faithful
to tell us that, you know, inour weakness, he's our strength.
He really was.
He really became all of that tome and for me.
And honestly, I think even moreso, he was allowing me to be
able to have that strength, tobe able to be present with my
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other children, to enter theirpain, to be able to hear them
and not just put my pain beforetheirs.
SPEAKER_01 (05:48):
You know, it's it's incredible the the story you
share.
I I share in my own way.
Um, and so many people that havebeen through very difficult
times, whether it's their ownhealth or a loved one, or you
know, whatever.
There's so many tragedies thatcan happen in life, but it's at
those moments of completeweakness where you just
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literally say, I can't do it onmy own.
I need your help.
Like that place where it's justokay.
And uh, I had a similarexperience when I was literally
looking at at death's door, youknow, I saw doctors coming in
and I had to go, wow, I don'tthink it's my time, but if you
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want to take me, I guess, youknow, I'm here I am.
And um all of a sudden rightthen it's like, oh, you're okay.
And uh and I I I started gettingstrong after that.
So I I I it's it's uh it's it'sit's wild because you're you
talk about trying to make senseof things and you can't you
can't reckon like why anythingyou can't you you can't see uh
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any sense in it because it makesno sense, you know?
And yet you're able to find yourfeet, find your voice, and carry
on.
SPEAKER_00 (07:10):
Well, and in that moment, and there's just this
there's a really uh well,there's a lot of profound
moments with the Trinity that Ihad, but one that was kind of
life-changing for me is um I wascrying, I was in worship, and
just was the presence of the theSpirit of God was on me, and I
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just was feeling the depth ofloss, and I kind of bent over,
um, and my tears were falling onmy feet.
And the Lord, I it is just as ifI'm looking at you.
Jesus was right there, and hesaid, I have every tear, and he
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was crying, he was crying rightbeside me, and the tears were
splashing on my feet.
Wow, and he said, I'm collectingevery tear with mine, and I'm
cleansing you.
Wow, and I was undone.
SPEAKER_01 (08:18):
Yeah, I could imagine.
SPEAKER_00 (08:19):
Wow, I can't at just the depth of his love and the
depth of, and I and I evenremember saying, because he he
did weep with me every time, andI said, You're weeping.
He said, Marsha, I love you.
This is never what I would wantfor you or any of my children to
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experience.
But death is a part of thislife, right?
And that's why I came toovercome it.
I mean, we just had thesewonderful exchanges that were
just life changing in the spiritrealm for me.
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And as he and I and I and again,he showed me the bottle, and the
bottle was absolutely beautiful.
It was just this radi, itradiated.
I mean, the tears, his tears andmy tears were like this radiance
streaming from the bottle, andyet that that's cleansing me.
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It's it's the very thing he'susing to renew me and to breathe
life back into my lungs becausein grief we know that it's very
hard to breathe.
We become very shallow in ourbreathing and his breath, I
would feel his breath fill me,and I I could feel it, and I he
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was he was the one doing thebreathing for me.
And so it it's really holyground, our grief stories.
If we invite the Father andJesus and Holy Spirit in, it is,
and so I mean, as we dealt withthat loss, our family was
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walking through the journey ofdealing with and working through
those losses, and we had gottento year five, and it really was
where a turning point for myyoungest son, who was 12 at the
time when his oldest brother hadpassed, and it had been such a
difficult journey for him, anduh it was the first year we hit
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the end of September.
Uh, the end of September is myoldest birthday, we just
celebrated it last weekend,okay, and um and then our
birthdays, my son, who's 12, andmy birthday are on the same day
in two weeks.
And so the first year we hitthis milestone where it didn't
cause an implosion for myyoungest son.
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And then literally within aweek, my second son was murdered
with his girlfriend from anex-boyfriend who had been
estranged for over a year and ahalf, and we started the journey
yet again.
Yeah, um, but the grace, thegoodness of God was so present.
And you know, people say, Well,sometimes you don't talk as much
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about the second.
And I said, Well, what I need tosay is that God had given us
everything that we needed, so wewent back to the well to pull up
the yeah, and so we we we hadhim to go to, we knew and he
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gave us the refreshing.
It doesn't mean that it was lessdifficult in the sense that it's
still grief.
Oh, yeah, but we had thesethings in our toolbox, right?
That we knew how to access themand to let them come into us and
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make the changes necessary, andthis time we had something else
we needed to deal with, whichwas forgiving.
SPEAKER_01 (12:11):
Right, wow.
SPEAKER_00 (12:13):
So my daughter, who at the time, you know, she would
have been 18, 19, maybe at thetime, I believe 60, 60, 20, she
was 20 at the time.
Um, my daughter and I were ableto forgive very quickly the
murderer.
But the struggle became for myhusband and my youngest son.
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And to watch how the Lord didwhat he did with both of them to
bring them to a place where theyare able and we're able to
forgive and and now pray for,pray for this man, pray for him
in his life, pray for hissalvation because there's no
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win-win situation.
No, I mean, so there's you know,I and Joe, this is kind of how I
look at it.
My husband initially is like, Idon't know how you can forgive
him so easily, and I said,Because I've murdered in my
mind.
SPEAKER_01 (13:14):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (13:15):
I have.
Yeah, I wish people I havewished people dead.
I've thought, I mean, I'm I'mgonna be honest.
I mean, you know, I and Ibecause and I said, So I even
though I may not have pulled atrigger, I may not have stabbed
them with a knife, the thoughtwas there, the action within my
my framework, and God forgaveme.
SPEAKER_01 (13:36):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (13:37):
And who am I to not forgive, but to withhold that?
And um that's your job, really.
Well, it is, isn't it?
All of our jobs to really beable to understand the depth of
the forgiveness that we'regiven, to be able to extend that
to someone else.
SPEAKER_02 (13:55):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (13:56):
I mean, so so we started in that journey and we
pressed in and we startedbecoming yet again another
family.
Because again, we died to thefamily we had become in that
five years.
SPEAKER_01 (14:10):
Yeah, you have to though.
You can't, you know, we moveforward, we don't ever go
backwards.
That's right.
That's right.
If you get stuck and you can'tget past it, then you start
going backwards, and it's it'sit's so unhealthy, and you'll
you'll destroy yourselfeventually if you stay there.
And the only way you can moveforward is to let go of what you
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were, uh, because that's that'sthe only way.
Wow, wow.
So your husband and youryoungest have finally come
around and and have been able tolet go and and and forgive.
And this guy that did this, hewas caught and and is being
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dealt with, or what what whathappened with him?
SPEAKER_00 (14:57):
Uh he was not caught until a year later.
He's been sitting he's beensitting in jail and has not gone
before a judge yet.
SPEAKER_01 (15:04):
Wow.
So this is recent.
SPEAKER_00 (15:06):
This is five years.
He's been in jail for fiveyears.
The incident happened six yearsago, October 26th this year.
Six years ago.
SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
That's still recent.
I mean, that's just uh Yes.
Yes.
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (15:19):
So I mean, you know, people like no, it doesn't
bother me because regardless ofwhat happens in the court
system, see, God has the lastword.
SPEAKER_02 (15:26):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:28):
I I'm not worried about that.
I'm not it's really not yourbusiness.
No, I'm not hinging on thatmoment.
I haven't been again.
We can be sidetracked by fromthe father's work by the
distractions of this world andthe things that happen, and we
can choose to see it for what itis, or we get lost in it, or we
just go on and go, you knowwhat?
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I want to do just like whatyou're doing, I want to do the
Lord's work.
I want to love, I want to beable to bring healing to other
people, I want other people tobreathe again and move again and
live again the way they werecreated to.
So from my own experiences, Ican reach beside and behind me
to really love on and bringpeople into that space and hold
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it for them so they can havehealing.
SPEAKER_01 (16:14):
You know, it's wild.
It it seems that when somebodygoes through a tragedy or you
know, an extreme difficulty andaccept the gift of being able to
help people that have that sameproblem, it seems that people
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find you.
That that, like, you know, youwalk through wherever you're
going, and before all thishappened, you would connect with
certain people and have thingsyou might talk about.
But now you're gonna probablyfind people that share something
in common with your experiencethat just lock onto you and
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start talking to you.
Has that happened?
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
All the time.
Yeah, but it happened evenbefore, and I think the reason
why is because I had the 17losses by the time I was 18.
SPEAKER_02 (17:05):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (17:06):
So people have always unpacked their story with
me, Joe, no matter where I am.
And my five kids startedlearning no matter where we go.
Mom's gonna, you know, peopleare gonna tell their story, mom,
and we just need to patientlywait.
My kids are amazing because itdid happen.
And I just told my kids, I said,we always have to know that we
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stop and we give people space.
Right.
And so they've learned to bevery gracious with their time
and how they um and and how theyare present with people when
there's because people just theydon't even know they don't even
know my experience.
And then start saying, I don'tknow why I'm telling you this.
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I've never told anybody this.
And I just and I just nod and Isaid, It's okay, you're in a
safe place.
I do, I always assure themyou're in a safe place because
you know that part could startwondering, why am I doing this?
Why I never do this, and it'sokay.
SPEAKER_02 (18:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:06):
So I love that that's kind of and God, that's
God.
To me, that is God allowing thema someone who absolutely does
them well.
SPEAKER_01 (18:15):
No, you're spot on, and that's you know, that's how
God works.
I mean, you know, you just goand if your heart's right and
you're in and you say I'm I'mhere to do the the work, it just
unfolds, you know, and just up.
Here you go, here's one, here'sone.
And so you've gone throughliterally most of your life with
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people sharing their storieswith you, and of course, all
these things that you've gonethrough.
And then, of course, you know,this this experience um of your
tremendous faith and and yourfamily holding together.
And, you know, this is these arethings that tear families apart,
frankly.
And and instead, you know, yourfamily has grown strong and and
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stayed that way.
SPEAKER_00 (19:03):
Um, how did you my my husband and I did struggle
with our marriage for a while?
My husband was living among thedead, I was living among the
living.
And we actually had thatconversation.
I said, um, I'm I need to liveamong the living.
I mean, you can either join me,but I can't come among the dead.
I mean, I just can't.
So, you know, we were he he gotto a point where he was like,
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You're right.
And he was intentional ingetting back in and making the
decision, I'm gonna move into adirection where I'm in this
marriage and I'm really presentagain.
I'm in this family and I'mpresent.
Um, and and in all honesty, wecan't make other people work
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through their grief.
And it was never my intention,but I just told them, I said, I
can't, I can't do this.
Right because you're you'reyou're going in the pit.
And I'm not a I'm not a pitperson.
I don't I don't go and and stayin the pit.
Um, I God's given us lifeline ofJesus to get out of the pit.
I want to stay out of the pit asmuch as I can.
SPEAKER_01 (20:08):
Every day, every day, you got a few days.
So you gotta you got a choiceevery morning.
Like that's what I always say.
I go, yeah, woke up, I'm here,I'm breathing, let's get out
there and do it.
You know, I have a gift ofanother day.
And and you know, when werecognize that, you know, this
is the day the Lord has made,let us rejoice and be glad.
Yeah, and and that always ringsin my heart, you know, when I
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wake up, it's like, okay, let'sgo, you know, and if I feel
lousy, I say, well, too bad,let's get up and shake it off,
you know, or maybe I'll lay andlay around a little more.
But the intention is, okay,well, we're gonna get up as soon
as we're a little better.
And and we do.
SPEAKER_00 (20:48):
Well, you Well, it reminded me, let me just tell
you, when you were saying that,it reminded me, and I know you
know what I'm gonna say.
For any of us who've battledthat place that it's hard to get
up, I just it reminds me thatLord, your mercies are new every
day, and I have to choose toreceive your mercy today, even
though I feel like it wasyesterday.
SPEAKER_02 (21:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:10):
It it it's it's a mindset because the mind is what
we battle.
SPEAKER_01 (21:15):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (21:15):
And if we align our mind and have the transforming
of Christ in our mind, then wecan walk in that new day.
Because we're we're coming intoalignment with his truth, with
what he has spoken, instead oflistening to the lies of the
enemy, saying, Yeah, it's justlike yesterday, this is gonna
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suck, and you're just gonna,it's just gonna get worse.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:41):
No, that's that's that's 100%.
And and you know, it's a it'sbeing present all the time is
key to all of this, because youknow, like you say, the the
distraction is where the enemygets us, you know, takes our
mind off of being present andtakes us to something else,
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whatever it is.
Maybe it's a a a bad rut, ormaybe it's a fear and anxiety,
maybe it's a doubt and all ofthose things, and it takes us
away from our present.
And that's it straight up.
You you nailed it.
And and you know, so beingmindful and present and uh
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connected, that's it, that's it.
We stay there and and and wekeep moving forward.
Well, you went from all of thisto creating a sanctuary and a
ministry.
I I I don't want to gloss overthat.
I know that this is a big partof this conversation.
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Why don't you tell us a littlebit about that trans transition
or how how you went to that?
SPEAKER_00 (22:54):
Well, I didn't.
God called it in 2017.
Okay and he gave me a vision andhe said, I want you to write it
down.
You need to start this ministry.
He gave the name, he gave everyroom that is to be in this place
because it is to be a physicalplace, but really aligned
everything.
And it's it's if on the SterlingRose Sanctuary on the website,
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if people go under uh theCapitol campaign, it tells some
of the rooms, what those rooms,what we do.
Um, the Sterling Rose Sanctuary,Sterling was our son's name.
The rose was his favorite flowerbecause you cannot have the rose
without the thorns.
How significant is that?
And that's one of the things heloved about the rose.
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There were many significantthings that he had shared as to
why he, you know, Jesus is therose of Sharon.
We can go on and on.
But what we do is we help peopleunpack the thorns so they can
appreciate each petal in thatrosebud.
SPEAKER_01 (23:56):
And so this is a physical place.
SPEAKER_00 (23:59):
Not yet.
We're raising money, but rightnow, um, I work with people all
over the US and in six differentcountries, uh, ushering them
into healing, delivering themfrom the pain and the trauma
that they have lived in, intoplaces of restoring their joy
back with the Lord so they canlive in their creative design,
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Joe.
Because when people have not hadthat releasing, it defines their
life.
SPEAKER_02 (24:27):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (24:28):
And so um it is wholly ground.
And what I can say is to try anddescribe what that looks like.
I feel like it cheats uh theTrinity of everything that they
do to love well each child ofthe fathers.
And so this it will be aphysical place, but we embody
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that place, my children, myhusband, myself.
So we have traveled, we havegone to be with people who have
lost a child, who have lost aspouse.
We have been present when thenews was being told to them that
their child passed.
Um, we have, you know, thatspace to be present when we need
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to be present.
And people come to us, but mostof my work is done on the phone,
all over, and I'm not on Zoom.
I don't usually see people.
And the reason why is because ifyou're coming in with trauma, if
you've got shame, if you've gotguilt, if you feel like you've
been abandoned or rejected, oryou're feeling like you've come
from a place of performance, mylooking at you can shut those
(25:40):
parts down.
It can make them startperforming or make them feel
like they're going to berejected if their true self is
visible, if their true part.
So I don't see most of myclients, but what I can tell
you, the Father and Jesus andHoly Spirit sees them, and
that's what's important, and heknows them by name and he meets
them where they are and he healsthem and delivers them into new
(26:04):
life.
And so the Sterling RoseSanctuary was up and moving, and
then when Mark was murdered, oursecond son, the enemy said,
Well, that ended that.
And the Lord said, No, the rootsjust got deeper.
And I'm like, Yes, that's socool.
(26:26):
So, I mean, again, we have tolisten and be in an attentive uh
listener to the things the Lordhas and not listen to the lies.
So the Sterling Rose Sanctuary'sintention is to see all people,
believers and non-believers,healed.
Because Jesus in Isaiah said hecame to set the captive free.
(26:50):
But first, he opens wide theprison door to set the captive
free, and then in setting themfree, he is close to the
brokenhearted and he will healthe brokenhearted so that he can
rebuild their ruins.
How much better can that be?
And so when we have a rebuiltruin, we're better than we were
before.
SPEAKER_01 (27:10):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (27:11):
So the sanctuary, the place will actually be a
place where an individual coupleor a family will come for three
to five days so that they can uhre be removed from the triggered
trauma they're living in andhave a place of reset, some
resources, um, a place wherethey can feel that
(27:32):
revitalization and thatresurrection of life.
It's gonna be where they canwalk around outside and there'll
be a garden.
Garden's very important inscripture, and the garden's very
important at the sanctuary forthe Lord.
And yep.
SPEAKER_01 (27:47):
We have here um a nonprofit that we call Gardens
of Hope.
And um we we have a littlebotanical garden and and we use
it for healing and call ittherapeutic horticulture, but
it's yep, it's um a place where,like you said, people can walk
the gardens and and you know letGod do his work.
(28:09):
And uh I'm right there with you.
I think it's uh it's abeautiful, a beautiful uh plan,
a beautiful it's it, it's I canfeel it's already happened.
Like it just it just needs toget the little bits to finish it
off, but it's it's already.
SPEAKER_00 (28:27):
I mean, we've been raising money, so we just need
to finish raising the money.
And you know, and I look at thatand I think, Lord, this is gonna
be wonderful because see, theLord wants us to reconnect with
Him outside, right?
In nature, it people, evennon-Christians, they reconnect
because there's life and there'sabundant life, and there's
there's you know, new thingsgrowing.
(28:48):
It reminds us that life comesfrom that that looks dead, and
life comes from the seeds thatare planted.
And I don't say broken, I don'tlike the word broken.
I know people say Ron Broken.
No, we're broken open.
A seed has to be broken open inorder to start through that
(29:09):
ground and to come and flourish.
We're broken open, and we have achoice whether we want to keep
on going up, Joe, in that dirtand come through and thrive, or
we just want to die off in theground.
SPEAKER_01 (29:24):
You nailed it.
Wow, what a powerful story.
And you know, a lot of times uhI have guests on and I say,
well, you know, there's notreally much more to say, but um,
I would absolutely love to haveyou back and and continue this
conversation as you know thisdevelops and and as your dream
(29:46):
and your your plan and yourvision and uh God's plan is is
unfolding.
SPEAKER_02 (29:52):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (29:53):
I'd love to stay connected and and you know have
you uh come back again and shareshare more of the process.
progress of this.
SPEAKER_00 (30:01):
I would love that.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (30:04):
So you've unpacked so much.
Is there um is there one thoughtthat you would want to share
with our listeners that sort ofsums it all up in in in your
thoughts or in your mind?
SPEAKER_00 (30:18):
Well I want to I want a tool.
I I did write a book calledGripping Grace in the Garden of
Grief, a place for the heart.
It is a book that is a companionto someone who's grieving.
And it's not a book that youjust start and read from
beginning to end.
This really is about yourindividual journey of grief with
(30:40):
the Father, the Son, and theHoly Spirit.
And I want people to know Hecares about the details.
He cares about their pain.
And he doesn't want anyonewalking through their pain
alone, Joe, and I don't eitherand whether they're a believer
or not I work with unbelieversall the time.
(31:04):
I want people to know they cancall and we can be available to
them to love on them and walkthem through their pain.
We were never meant to do thisalone.
SPEAKER_01 (31:15):
Right.
And so how do people find you?
This is maybe the that mostimportant piece of this is how
how does somebody get a hold ofyou?
I I assume there's going to bemany people that listen to this
and go, wow, I I I I need totalk to you.
SPEAKER_00 (31:30):
They can go on the Sterling Rose Sanctuary.
It's under whether SterlingroseSanctuary dot us but even if
they look up the Sterling RoseSanctuary, it should come up and
there will be a place on therewhere they can reach out get in
touch and we will get in touchwith them very quickly.
Usually it's within 24 hoursthat we will get back.
(31:53):
And um then they can read theycan have resources we have
resources on our site for them.
And we just want them to havesuccess in their own journey of
grieving where they can walkthis life out with purpose
again.
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
And and your book how does how is anybody able to
access that?
SPEAKER_00 (32:16):
Yes they can go on Amazon Gripping Grace in the
Garden of Grief Place for theheart is on Amazon.
They can also go to our websiteand they can look at the book
there and it'll take them rightover to Amazon.
So either way they should beable to have access to that.
SPEAKER_01 (32:30):
Beautiful well Marcia this has just been an
incredible journey I feel likewe've just woven our lives
together in a way and I feelconnected and um just know that
I I 100% support your work andand I'm grateful for your faith
and and um just caring caringGod's work.
(32:53):
I mean I think that that'sthat's that's what we all need
to do is to find our our purposeand it's not always the same.
It's always connected it'salways the same in some way but
we all are given different toolsin different ways and it's
important that we find thosetools and you have done that.
(33:14):
So thank you so much for joiningus today.
SPEAKER_00 (33:17):
Well thank you so much for what you're doing and
for having me on Joe.
I really appreciate it.
SPEAKER_01 (33:22):
Well it is absolutely my pleasure.
Well this has been anotherepisode of the Healthy Living
Podcast.
I'm your host Joe Grumbine and Iwant to thank all of our
listeners that make the showpossible and we will see you
next time.
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