November 11, 2025 • 32 mins
Resilience shouldn’t live on a poster. It should live in your day. We sat down with Dr. Kate Lund—psychologist, TEDx speaker, and host of The Optimized Mind—to turn big ideas about mental health into tools you’ll actually use. From childhood surgeries to two decades of clinical practice, Kate has learned that real strength starts with a steady baseline, not superhuman willpower.
We unpack the relaxation response, a five-minute practice that trains your nervous system to settle. No incense. No perfection. Just a repeatable way to downshift before a tough meeting, after school pickup, or when stress spikes at 9 p.m. Kate explains why rapport is the engine of therapy, how modalities differ across psychology and psychiatry, and what really changes outcomes for parents and professionals under strain. We dig into morning routines that feel human, not heroic—coffee in quiet, a short walk, a word you return to when life tilts—and why joy is a strategy, not a reward you earn after burnout.
Kate also shares a searing story from pediatric care: a young burn patient who lost eyesight and, through months of rehab, found a new normal and the voice to sing Amazing Grace. It’s a reminder that resilience is not about denying pain; it’s about moving toward meaning. If you’re navigating screens, stress, and constant demands, you’ll find permission to simplify, practices that stick, and a clear path to model calm for your kids.
Listen for practical steps to build a resilient lifestyle, explore The Optimized Mind for more real-world stories, and keep your eye on possibility beyond the challenge. If this conversation helped you breathe a little deeper, follow the show, share it with a friend who needs it, and leave a quick review so others can find us.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
All right.
Well, hello, and welcome back tothe Healthy Living Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine.
And today we've got a veryspecial guest.
Her name is Dr.
Kate Lund.
And uh Kate is a psychologistand a parent.
She helps people carve outresilience in real life, not
just in theory.
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She brings over 20 years ofclinical experience.
She's a TEDx speaker, and shehosts the Optimized Mind
podcast, where she shares rawstories from Navy, SEALs,
athletes, and parents to pushback rock bottom.
She's a best author,best-selling author of Bounce.
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Help your child build resilienceand thrive in school, sports,
and life.
She's getting ready to releaseher next book, Step Away, The
Keys to Resilient Parenting.
And so, Kate, without anyfurther ado, welcome.
SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
Thank you so much for having me, Joe.
I really appreciate it.
This is uh this is fun.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
Well, I um more and more I'm connecting with authors
and uh hosts of other podcasts,and I find myself uh we we we've
created almost a podcastexchange network.
So um I just got finished doingan interview for somebody else's
podcast for somebody who haddone mine a week ago.
(01:26):
So welcome to the show.
And you know, the first thing Ialways like to do with a guest
is get to know you a little bit.
And, you know, you got thiswealth of experience, 20 years
of clinical experience.
But what brought you to um, youknow, the field of psychology?
SPEAKER_00 (01:46):
Yeah, it's a great question.
And um, I really believe it goesback to my own childhood when I
was diagnosed with this medicalcondition um when I was four, uh
called hydrocephalus, where thecerebral spinal fluid doesn't
circulate as it should, causingpressure to build up on the
brain.
And so a lot of time in and outof the hospital, having that
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kind of taken care of andmanaged.
Uh, and so showing back up atschool, looking different,
feeling different, all thosekinds of things.
And so I really feel like thatformed the foundation for me to
be really interested in how it'spossible to overcome challenges.
How do we thrive within our ownunique context when things
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aren't really typical?
Um, how do we appreciateindividual difference, all these
things?
And I wasn't thinking about itin those terms when I was four,
obviously, but how it's how it'sevolved.
And, you know, those earlyexperiences were definitely
formative and have informed my,you know, interest in people,
interest in human behavior,choices that I made for focuses
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in school, uh, and that sort ofthing, and choices that I made
in my training and becoming apsychologist, and then what I
did with that right after andhow it's evolved since.
So I think, yeah, it goes backto those early years and
experiences.
SPEAKER_01 (03:06):
You know, what's very interesting is you know, I
started this podcast over twoyears ago, and my goal with it
was always to create a communitythat had health and healthy
living as a common thread.
What I didn't realize was thatas the show became a little more
popular, and guests werereaching out to me now to come
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onto the show, is that most ofthe guests have overcome a major
obstacle in their life.
And that's and I never saw thatas a common thread.
In fact, when I started it, Ihadn't been diagnosed with the
cancer that I ultimately was,and I've overcome that, and that
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became you know kind of acentral theme that I I bring
into all these conversations.
But it just seems that the humancondition um offers some people
these extraordinary uhchallenges that some people are
destroyed by and they just curlup and go away.
(04:09):
And other people rise up andsay, Wow, look what I've
learned, and I want to now takesomething and do with it.
So I I I thank you for choosingthat path.
SPEAKER_00 (04:20):
Right, yeah, and it's in yes, and it can go kind
of either way, and so very, veryum very true.
SPEAKER_01 (04:28):
And so psychology is a field that I don't know that
everybody understands, and Ialways try to uh bring a topic
to a place where we're all in alevel playing field, and there's
psychology and psychiatry andtherapy and all of these
different modalities of mentalwellness.
(04:50):
Um, why don't you explain to usa little bit about what actually
is psychology?
SPEAKER_00 (04:55):
Yeah, I got it.
So psychology is really thestudy of human behavior.
Um, and so when you're apsychologist, you study that at
a deep level.
You've got um a doctoral degree,um, so a PhD.
Um you can do that at themaster's level uh as well and
become a therapist.
So it's all in the same, it'sall in the same umbrella, right?
(05:17):
It's all it's just the kind ofdegree to which you've the level
to which you've taken the study.
Um psychiatry is uh an MD.
So you're a medical doctor atthat point, and you're able to
prescribe medication and thatsort of thing.
Um, but we're all sort of in thesame domain.
We work together all the time,and it's all a question of
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understanding the humancondition, understanding human
behavior, and helping folks tomake changes and shift in other
directions when that'snecessary, when there's a
challenge in that in that space.
SPEAKER_01 (05:53):
So, in in the last 20 years, um, I suspect that the
mental health field has grownand learned a lot of things, not
only about the understanding howthe brain works and and you know
the physiology of things, butalso identifying uh reasons and
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and causes and symptoms and uheven um even describing and
describing treatments ofdifferent problems that people
face.
You know, the whole notion ofautism and the spectrum and ADHD
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and all of these things are kindof new.
Like when I was a kid, we werecalled hyperactive.
And um, you know, I was aroundbefore the Ritalin days,
fortunately, and you know, theythey wanted to put me on
medication, but my parents said,ah, we'll just keep them busy.
And I I thank God every day thatthat's the way they chose to
(07:01):
deal with me.
But nowadays, you know, they'reunderstanding more and more
things and traumas and and andthe different types of traumas
that people undergo, especiallyas a child, and and the effect
that it can have throughout aperson's life.
What do you think that you know,some of the bigger uh
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awarenesses or understandings orchanges in the field have
happened since you've enteredinto it?
SPEAKER_00 (07:30):
Yeah, you know, well, I I think that the the
world has gotten much morecomplex, right?
And there's so much hitting usfrom so many different angles.
And I think under ourunderstanding, you know, even
since I uh got into the fieldhas grown and evolved and
shifted in in different ways.
And there are new problems whichhave come up, which have to be
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addressed, like for example, um,screen time and social media,
uh, the impact of that for ourkids and for us on our on our
brains and our ability to focusand attend to things that we
have in front of us and goalsthat we want to achieve.
So there have definitely been umlots of shifts and advances and
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just the understanding of theimportance of managing our
stress response and caring forourselves in a way that helps us
to optimize our own sense ofwell-being so that we can then
help others to optimize theirown sense of well-being, our
kids or whoever people in ourfamily.
(08:34):
Um, so I think long answeredyour question.
There's been an evolution, andwith that evolution has come a
greater understanding on manylevels.
SPEAKER_01 (08:42):
And do you feel that the way therapists and
psychologists treat theirpatients today is more effective
than it was maybe 20 years ago?
SPEAKER_00 (08:56):
Um, I don't think it's it's more effective per se.
I think that, you know, reallythe thing that's the most
important in any therapeuticrelationship is the rapport
that's built between uhclinician and patients.
And I think that, you know,perhaps there's a greater level
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of understanding of theimportance of that rapport.
Um, but I feel like that was apretty primary focus back when I
was first training about 20years ago.
Um so I can't really answer thatquestion specifically because
for me, I feel like my the waythat I approach my work with
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clients and patients has hasbeen pretty level across time.
SPEAKER_01 (09:45):
Nice.
I I think of, you know, I'venever sat with a therapist, but
I know many therapists, and I'vehad a number of different
modalities as guests on the showwith all different sorts of um
specialized treatments that theyhave or offerings.
I think of a therapist as you goto an office or a place and you
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start, you know, they get youtalking, and then they'll ask
you, well, how do you feel aboutthat?
And they just keep asking youquestions, and then you kind of
the I guess the goal is for youto awaken in yourself the
answers that you already have.
Is that kind of am I on track oris there something totally
different that you work with?
SPEAKER_00 (10:30):
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, you're you'redefinitely, you know, on track.
Uh, there are differentmodalities, there are different
directions that therapy can cango.
And you're you're describing onesuch direction, you know,
helping folks to reallyunderstand themselves in a new
way and discover solutions thatare already within themselves if
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they just look at them in adifferent way.
You know, there are also morespecific uh approaches where
you're really trying to helpfolks understand how their
behaviors um impact theiremotions and their actions.
Um, so there's that, there'smodalities that take you way
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back to your earliest days andtry to bring that into awareness
and connect that with yourcurrent way of behaving and
living.
So there's so much that happensin therapy.
You know, there can be solutionfocused, short-term therapy,
long-term therapy, which goes onfor very, very, very long
periods of time.
So lots of different directionsthat therapists work with folks
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from based on what the person isseeking and what they need.
SPEAKER_01 (11:40):
Absolutely.
So you you've authored at leastone book and you have another
book coming out.
And the the commonality betweenthese topics is about children
and um overcoming issues.
And your first book, Bounce,help your child build resistance
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and thrive in school, sports,and life.
I can't help but wonder doesyour practice um focus on a
demographic or is it just bringin everybody?
SPEAKER_00 (12:12):
Um, so my practice focuses mostly um on parents who
are working to, you know, eitherhelp their children become more
resilient and thrive in school,sports, or life.
That's the topic of the firstbook.
But I've been doing a lot ofwork lately on parents
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themselves and helping thembecome resilient in a sense.
And that's the topic of my bookthat just came out, Step Away,
The Keys to Resilient Parenting.
And so I work with folks reallyadults these days, but there
might be a focus on the child.
Um, and really work with peopleacross domains.
You know, they might be umentrepreneurs, they might be
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authors, they might be medicalprofessionals, executives, but
the common thread is they'reburned out, they're stressed
out, and they're looking to feelbetter within their own unique
context.
SPEAKER_01 (13:10):
Nice.
Now, from your first experienceof how you came to this and the
different topics that we've beengoing through, um, it seems that
resilience and overcoming iskind of going to be a theme
through all this.
And it seems that you've gotsome answers through your own
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experience.
Why don't you tell us a littlebit about you know the tools
that you use in sharing withhelping people to learn how to
be a better parent, how toovercome burnout and the stress
and all the things that, youknow, parenting is not fun or
easy necessarily.
It can be very rewarding, butit's certainly challenging.
I'm I'm certainly glad myparenting days are over and I'm
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into my grandparenting days.
It's a whole lot easier.
SPEAKER_00 (14:02):
I love it.
Well, you know, yeah, it's it'sparenting has its challenges,
right?
It can be be difficult.
I have 18-year-old twin boysmyself.
And so I've I'm I'm kind of atthat point where they're 18 and
they're about to launch intocollege and that whole thing.
So, which is a whole nother setof challenges and things.
Um, but yeah, it's been a been ajourney for sure.
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And so one of the things that isis primary in the new book, Step
Away, The Keys to ResilientParenting, and it's primary in
bounce, um, which is focused onthe kids, uh, is modulating our
stress response, sort of showingup each day in this even space.
Because if we're starting uphere and a challenge hits, we're
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gonna escalate to the point ofshutdown.
And then we're not gonna be ableto show up for ourselves or our
kids, our families, our work,what have you.
So teaching folks to integrate areally simple technique uh into
their life called the relaxationresponse to help them modulate
their stress response.
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And this technique was developedby a physician in Boston in the
late 1970s.
And very, very powerfultechnique, which everything I
teach is derived from thistechnique in terms of managing
your stress response.
And so you come up with a wordor a phrase that you find
soothing in some way, and youbreathe.
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And you do that for five minutesin the morning and five minutes
in the evening, such that you'reintegrating what this level,
even space feels like.
And with the more practice thatyou do, the more consistently
you practice, the moreintegrated that way of being is
going to become.
It's gonna become kind of likeyour baseline.
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And you can also take thistechnique along with you in your
back pocket to think of theword, the phrase, breathe for a
few minutes or a few secondsbefore entering into a stressful
conversation or somethingstressful comes up and you need
to sort of move through it.
So it's very portable that way,super simple.
So I have folks practice that,integrate that as a way of
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building that even baseline sothat we can move on from there
and create sort of a toolbox ofstrategies that folks can also
integrate into their lives tocreate a resilient lifestyle.
Because resilience is not like aone-time event, you know, each
time a challenge comes up.
We want to have a resilientlifestyle kind of locked in.
SPEAKER_01 (16:40):
Well, it's also, you know, it sounds like what you're
talking about in a lot of waysis like a mini meditation.
Like you, you like meditationcan be a long, arduous process
that can take a lifetime tolearn, but you've kind of broken
it down into uh uh a littlepocket meditation where you can
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just switch a switch on and getyourself sort of to that place
and uh get some of the benefitsout of it without all the the
time and and and I don't know,exhausting practice that it
takes a lot of people.
SPEAKER_00 (17:17):
Yeah, exactly.
And that's the point is to havea practice that you can easily
integrate into your life andthat you're gonna actually
practice.
Because if we tell people to,you know, start sitting down to
meditate twice a day for 20minutes, it's kind of not that
likely that it's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_01 (17:36):
Right, right.
It's easy to make a reason why,well, we'll do it tomorrow.
100% too much time, and I knowthat uh, you know, I I've I
struggled with that until fairlyrecently.
You know, I had to reprioritizeeverything, and all of a sudden
that became so important thatnow I just do it.
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But most people or a lot ofpeople don't get hit with that
kind of a challenge where youhave to make a decision.
And I think that that'spowerful, you know.
The the I think a lot of timesthe little tools that are gonna
get used are as important ormore important than the big
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tools that could change yourlife, but you're never gonna do
because they're too much work.
SPEAKER_00 (18:26):
100%.
Yes, 100%.
SPEAKER_01 (18:29):
And then you talk about um, you know, it's not
necessarily about beingresilient to the same thing over
and over again.
It's about learning to beresilient, it's about learning
techniques that you know thingsare always gonna come at you.
And learning that, you know,having a reasonable place to
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start your day instead of ha,we're gonna go get it.
And then something happens andyou got to go even higher than
that.
Or, you know, you just find sortof a baseline place.
Like for me, um, I get up in themorning, usually before sunrise,
and I'll sit by myself and sharea cup of coffee with me and
think about the day, and thenI'll get up and I'll go for a
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walk around my property with thedogs, and that's sort of my
let's start the day right here.
And then things come at you, andyou're already kind of in a
well, I've already had somebeauty, and I've already had a
little good experience with mydogs.
So, whatever it is, let's dealwith it.
And something simple like thathas been helpful for me to
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manage, you know, what wouldotherwise be a pretty chaotic
life.
And uh is that sort of somethingthat you get people to do is
come up with sort of a a regimenor a ritual or or you know, some
little tool to help them?
SPEAKER_00 (19:58):
Yeah, absolutely.
Routine is super important andit's something that you know
I'll talk with with everybodyabout really, you know, what
what does your morning routinelook like?
How you know do you feel it'seither helping you as you start
your day, or is it super chaoticand perhaps taking away from the
start of your day?
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And so helping folks craft orcreate a morning routine that
helps them start their day onthe right foot, no pun intended.
And it sounds like sounds likeyou really have that in place
with your coffee and your walksand all that.
SPEAKER_01 (20:36):
Yeah, yeah.
And it's just simple.
They're little things I enjoy.
And so if you can find like Icall it vitamin J.
If you can find joy in somethingthat is good for you, then
that's that's your goldenticket, you know.
And um, you know, I run anonprofit called Gardens of
Hope, and we we do what we calltherapeutic horticulture.
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And so the idea is that youknow, get yourself outside and
do a thing, whatever it is, andyou'll find a little more by
being in nature.
And it's simple, we don't, youknow, let nature do the work.
And uh, but through all of this,like usually I I try to get
people to connect with somethingand that brings them joy, yeah.
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And and if you get that, likeyou can always discipline
yourself to do a hard thingthat's good for you, right?
Diet, or or you know, notsitting in front of that screen
too long, or not getting upset,or whatever it is.
You can kind of throughwillpower and drive and and and
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effort, you can you can do it.
But if it's fun, it's easy.
SPEAKER_00 (21:50):
Exactly, exactly.
That's such a great point.
And it's so easy for us to getmoving so fast through life that
we forget to stop and experiencethose things that bring us joy,
right?
So that is such an importantpoint.
Yeah, the the the J, what do youcall it?
The J.
Yeah, vitamin J.
Vitamin J, yes, yes, yes.
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And I love that because it'strue, right?
It's it's it's such powerfulstuff that's often overlooked.
And so such a great point.
SPEAKER_01 (22:20):
Well, and so many times I think we're conditioned,
you know.
I grew up in a a Catholic uhtraining, and you know, you get
kind of taught that suffering isgood for you and joy is bad for
you, you know, and it's just notright.
Like, you know, it can be wefind joy in bad things.
Well, then yeah, you're right.
It's you shouldn't maybe dothose things.
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And if you can find somethinggood in suffering, well, great,
you know, then you can turnlemons into lemonade, but that's
not a necessity.
Like you can find healing andjoy easily if you can just find
joy in the right thing.
So I'm I really think that youknow, us becoming aware of of
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some of these little things canbe so helpful.
Now I know um you've you'vetransitioned or or added to your
uh repertoire speaking, doingTEDx speeches and things like
that.
Tell us a little bit about thetopics and the things that you
speak about.
SPEAKER_00 (23:22):
Yeah, that's that's a great question.
And it is something that I'mevolving into and I'm I'm
developing uh as we speak, andwe'll be launching that a lot in
uh 2026.
But really, my my goal is tohelp folks through my talks,
through my keynotes, toappreciate and thrive within
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their own unique context.
Recognize that we're allbringing something to the table
and helping folks to get intouch with their bringing and
how they can use that to foster,maximize their potential, all
that good stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (24:00):
Nice, nice.
And the Optimize Mind podcast.
Um, tell us a little bit aboutthat.
It sounds like you uh arebringing in guests that have
some pretty amazing stories, andand um, you know, we we we share
probably a lot of the samethemes, and probably some of the
same guests of people that havegone through these, you know,
(24:23):
horrific uh life experiences andhow they've overcome and you
know gotten past these likeinsurmountable challenges.
SPEAKER_00 (24:34):
Yeah, absolutely.
So the Optimized Mind Um podcasthas been a great project.
It's been ongoing for threeyears.
Um really is the big big idea isto really uh explore this idea
of resilience through the humanexperience.
And so understand, yeah, whatfolks have been through, how
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they've come through certainchallenges, how they've built
certain things.
Um, maybe they're helping achild through a challenge, you
know, a medical challenge or aserious physical disability type
of situation.
Um, so I interview folks acrossdomains with the idea of really
uncovering how resilience hasshown up for them within the
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context of their humanexperience.
SPEAKER_01 (25:20):
Nice, nice.
I love that.
And uh I look forward to how doI find your podcast?
SPEAKER_00 (25:25):
Um, well, it's on Apple, uh, Apple Podcasts,
Spotify, sort of anywhere thatum that you can listen to
podcasts.
SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
Nice.
So I'm gonna look you up and uhand check some of that out.
Um, as we're getting a littleshort on time, I always like to
hear a story in 20 years ofbeing a therapist without you
know breaching any uh HIPAAstuff, that you've got to have
some amazing stories of peoplethat you've um helped to unlock
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or discover or heal.
Uh why don't you share one ofthese uh, you know,
life-changing stories with us?
SPEAKER_00 (26:04):
Yeah, sure, sure.
And yeah, keeping in mind thethe whole HIPAA thing, no names
or no, you know, no, no, not allthe specifics.
But um, yeah, yeah, I guess onestory that I can share uh goes
way back to my fellowship days.
And I've had more similar onesto this as I've moved forward,
but this one is particularlypoignant.
Um, I was working at a pediatricburn center, and there was a
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young patient there who had umexperienced a serious burn
injury to their face and losttheir eyesight.
Wow.
And I mean, life changing in somany, so many ways, obviously,
and devastating andcatastrophic.
And we went through the entireacute phase, reconstructive
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phase, rehabilitation phase ofthe healing journey.
And this particular kid reallywas able to come back and start
to develop a new sense of normalwithin this really, really
horrific current context.
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And when lots of folks wouldhave shut down completely, this
particular person was able toengage in the rehabilitation,
engage in the PT, and on oneparticular Friday afternoon was
found on the um on the in thedoorway of the playroom singing
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Amazing Grace.
And was able to, you know, kindof turn it around in a sense,
and that there was this realdesire to use the experience to
give back to others.
And on that particularafternoon, through that song,
that was what started to happen.
SPEAKER_01 (27:56):
What a powerful experience that that must have
reinforced in you your purposeand and the value of what you
bring to all this.
SPEAKER_00 (28:05):
Definitely, for sure.
You know, the the power inseeing somebody experience
something so horrific, but thenbe able to move forward and also
give back is quiteextraordinary.
SPEAKER_01 (28:19):
I love that.
Well, Kate, um I always try toget our guests to sum up this
conversation with sort of afinal thought.
Um, is there something thatyou'd like to share with our
listeners to sort of encapsulatethe conversation here?
SPEAKER_00 (28:38):
Yeah, well, so what I what I would say to that is
um, you know, always believe inthe possibility on the other
side of the challenge for bothyourself as well as your kids,
your family.
Um, challenges are gonna pop up,but keep your eye on the
possibility that's on the otherside of it.
SPEAKER_01 (28:56):
Beautiful, beautiful.
And um I don't know much aboutthe the region of your practice,
but um a lot of therapists aredoing remote work as well as
in-person work, especially afterCOVID.
What is the area that youservice?
SPEAKER_00 (29:17):
Yeah, so I um am also doing uh virtual work, um,
quite a bit of it.
And I am actually licensedbecause I have a um SciP degree,
uh SciPAC license, which forpsychologists allows us to
practice in 42 states.
Oh no.
So I'm out there and I'mavailable for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (29:37):
Beautiful.
Well, how does somebody get ahold of you?
SPEAKER_00 (29:39):
Uh they can do that through my website, which is
www.katelundspeaks.com.
And I'm also uh very active onLinkedIn and Instagram.
SPEAKER_01 (29:51):
Wonderful.
Well, Kate, it has been apleasure.
As I suspected, the conversationwas gonna go very quickly, and
um I I just am grateful that youcame and my my invitation to
return is always there for you.
Um, and just want to thank youfor being here.
SPEAKER_00 (30:08):
Wonderful.
Well, thank you for having me,Joe.
I've really, really enjoyed thisand I appreciate it.
SPEAKER_01 (30:12):
Excellent.
Well, this has been anotherepisode of the Healthy Living
Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumba, and Iwant to thank all of our
listeners that have made thisshow possible, and we will see
you next time.
All right.
Well, hello, and welcome back tothe Healthy Living Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine.
And today we've got a veryspecial guest.
Her name is Dr.
Kate Lund.
And uh Kate is a psychologistand a parent.
She helps people carve outresilience in real life, not
just in theory.
(00:22):
She brings over 20 years ofclinical experience.
She's a TEDx speaker, and shehosts the Optimized Mind
podcast, where she shares rawstories from Navy, SEALs,
athletes, and parents to pushback rock bottom.
She's a best author,best-selling author of Bounce.
(00:44):
Help your child build resilienceand thrive in school, sports,
and life.
She's getting ready to releaseher next book, Step Away, The
Keys to Resilient Parenting.
And so, Kate, without anyfurther ado, welcome.
SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
Thank you so much for having me, Joe.
I really appreciate it.
This is uh this is fun.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
Well, I um more and more I'm connecting with authors
and uh hosts of other podcasts,and I find myself uh we we we've
created almost a podcastexchange network.
So um I just got finished doingan interview for somebody else's
podcast for somebody who haddone mine a week ago.
(01:26):
So welcome to the show.
And you know, the first thing Ialways like to do with a guest
is get to know you a little bit.
And, you know, you got thiswealth of experience, 20 years
of clinical experience.
But what brought you to um, youknow, the field of psychology?
SPEAKER_00 (01:46):
Yeah, it's a great question.
And um, I really believe it goesback to my own childhood when I
was diagnosed with this medicalcondition um when I was four, uh
called hydrocephalus, where thecerebral spinal fluid doesn't
circulate as it should, causingpressure to build up on the
brain.
And so a lot of time in and outof the hospital, having that
(02:06):
kind of taken care of andmanaged.
Uh, and so showing back up atschool, looking different,
feeling different, all thosekinds of things.
And so I really feel like thatformed the foundation for me to
be really interested in how it'spossible to overcome challenges.
How do we thrive within our ownunique context when things
(02:28):
aren't really typical?
Um, how do we appreciateindividual difference, all these
things?
And I wasn't thinking about itin those terms when I was four,
obviously, but how it's how it'sevolved.
And, you know, those earlyexperiences were definitely
formative and have informed my,you know, interest in people,
interest in human behavior,choices that I made for focuses
(02:50):
in school, uh, and that sort ofthing, and choices that I made
in my training and becoming apsychologist, and then what I
did with that right after andhow it's evolved since.
So I think, yeah, it goes backto those early years and
experiences.
SPEAKER_01 (03:06):
You know, what's very interesting is you know, I
started this podcast over twoyears ago, and my goal with it
was always to create a communitythat had health and healthy
living as a common thread.
What I didn't realize was thatas the show became a little more
popular, and guests werereaching out to me now to come
(03:27):
onto the show, is that most ofthe guests have overcome a major
obstacle in their life.
And that's and I never saw thatas a common thread.
In fact, when I started it, Ihadn't been diagnosed with the
cancer that I ultimately was,and I've overcome that, and that
(03:47):
became you know kind of acentral theme that I I bring
into all these conversations.
But it just seems that the humancondition um offers some people
these extraordinary uhchallenges that some people are
destroyed by and they just curlup and go away.
(04:09):
And other people rise up andsay, Wow, look what I've
learned, and I want to now takesomething and do with it.
So I I I thank you for choosingthat path.
SPEAKER_00 (04:20):
Right, yeah, and it's in yes, and it can go kind
of either way, and so very, veryum very true.
SPEAKER_01 (04:28):
And so psychology is a field that I don't know that
everybody understands, and Ialways try to uh bring a topic
to a place where we're all in alevel playing field, and there's
psychology and psychiatry andtherapy and all of these
different modalities of mentalwellness.
(04:50):
Um, why don't you explain to usa little bit about what actually
is psychology?
SPEAKER_00 (04:55):
Yeah, I got it.
So psychology is really thestudy of human behavior.
Um, and so when you're apsychologist, you study that at
a deep level.
You've got um a doctoral degree,um, so a PhD.
Um you can do that at themaster's level uh as well and
become a therapist.
So it's all in the same, it'sall in the same umbrella, right?
(05:17):
It's all it's just the kind ofdegree to which you've the level
to which you've taken the study.
Um psychiatry is uh an MD.
So you're a medical doctor atthat point, and you're able to
prescribe medication and thatsort of thing.
Um, but we're all sort of in thesame domain.
We work together all the time,and it's all a question of
(05:41):
understanding the humancondition, understanding human
behavior, and helping folks tomake changes and shift in other
directions when that'snecessary, when there's a
challenge in that in that space.
SPEAKER_01 (05:53):
So, in in the last 20 years, um, I suspect that the
mental health field has grownand learned a lot of things, not
only about the understanding howthe brain works and and you know
the physiology of things, butalso identifying uh reasons and
(06:18):
and causes and symptoms and uheven um even describing and
describing treatments ofdifferent problems that people
face.
You know, the whole notion ofautism and the spectrum and ADHD
(06:41):
and all of these things are kindof new.
Like when I was a kid, we werecalled hyperactive.
And um, you know, I was aroundbefore the Ritalin days,
fortunately, and you know, theythey wanted to put me on
medication, but my parents said,ah, we'll just keep them busy.
And I I thank God every day thatthat's the way they chose to
(07:01):
deal with me.
But nowadays, you know, they'reunderstanding more and more
things and traumas and and andthe different types of traumas
that people undergo, especiallyas a child, and and the effect
that it can have throughout aperson's life.
What do you think that you know,some of the bigger uh
(07:24):
awarenesses or understandings orchanges in the field have
happened since you've enteredinto it?
SPEAKER_00 (07:30):
Yeah, you know, well, I I think that the the
world has gotten much morecomplex, right?
And there's so much hitting usfrom so many different angles.
And I think under ourunderstanding, you know, even
since I uh got into the fieldhas grown and evolved and
shifted in in different ways.
And there are new problems whichhave come up, which have to be
(07:53):
addressed, like for example, um,screen time and social media,
uh, the impact of that for ourkids and for us on our on our
brains and our ability to focusand attend to things that we
have in front of us and goalsthat we want to achieve.
So there have definitely been umlots of shifts and advances and
(08:13):
just the understanding of theimportance of managing our
stress response and caring forourselves in a way that helps us
to optimize our own sense ofwell-being so that we can then
help others to optimize theirown sense of well-being, our
kids or whoever people in ourfamily.
(08:34):
Um, so I think long answeredyour question.
There's been an evolution, andwith that evolution has come a
greater understanding on manylevels.
SPEAKER_01 (08:42):
And do you feel that the way therapists and
psychologists treat theirpatients today is more effective
than it was maybe 20 years ago?
SPEAKER_00 (08:56):
Um, I don't think it's it's more effective per se.
I think that, you know, reallythe thing that's the most
important in any therapeuticrelationship is the rapport
that's built between uhclinician and patients.
And I think that, you know,perhaps there's a greater level
(09:19):
of understanding of theimportance of that rapport.
Um, but I feel like that was apretty primary focus back when I
was first training about 20years ago.
Um so I can't really answer thatquestion specifically because
for me, I feel like my the waythat I approach my work with
(09:41):
clients and patients has hasbeen pretty level across time.
SPEAKER_01 (09:45):
Nice.
I I think of, you know, I'venever sat with a therapist, but
I know many therapists, and I'vehad a number of different
modalities as guests on the showwith all different sorts of um
specialized treatments that theyhave or offerings.
I think of a therapist as you goto an office or a place and you
(10:09):
start, you know, they get youtalking, and then they'll ask
you, well, how do you feel aboutthat?
And they just keep asking youquestions, and then you kind of
the I guess the goal is for youto awaken in yourself the
answers that you already have.
Is that kind of am I on track oris there something totally
different that you work with?
SPEAKER_00 (10:30):
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, you're you'redefinitely, you know, on track.
Uh, there are differentmodalities, there are different
directions that therapy can cango.
And you're you're describing onesuch direction, you know,
helping folks to reallyunderstand themselves in a new
way and discover solutions thatare already within themselves if
(10:50):
they just look at them in adifferent way.
You know, there are also morespecific uh approaches where
you're really trying to helpfolks understand how their
behaviors um impact theiremotions and their actions.
Um, so there's that, there'smodalities that take you way
(11:12):
back to your earliest days andtry to bring that into awareness
and connect that with yourcurrent way of behaving and
living.
So there's so much that happensin therapy.
You know, there can be solutionfocused, short-term therapy,
long-term therapy, which goes onfor very, very, very long
periods of time.
So lots of different directionsthat therapists work with folks
(11:34):
from based on what the person isseeking and what they need.
SPEAKER_01 (11:40):
Absolutely.
So you you've authored at leastone book and you have another
book coming out.
And the the commonality betweenthese topics is about children
and um overcoming issues.
And your first book, Bounce,help your child build resistance
(12:00):
and thrive in school, sports,and life.
I can't help but wonder doesyour practice um focus on a
demographic or is it just bringin everybody?
SPEAKER_00 (12:12):
Um, so my practice focuses mostly um on parents who
are working to, you know, eitherhelp their children become more
resilient and thrive in school,sports, or life.
That's the topic of the firstbook.
But I've been doing a lot ofwork lately on parents
(12:33):
themselves and helping thembecome resilient in a sense.
And that's the topic of my bookthat just came out, Step Away,
The Keys to Resilient Parenting.
And so I work with folks reallyadults these days, but there
might be a focus on the child.
Um, and really work with peopleacross domains.
You know, they might be umentrepreneurs, they might be
(12:56):
authors, they might be medicalprofessionals, executives, but
the common thread is they'reburned out, they're stressed
out, and they're looking to feelbetter within their own unique
context.
SPEAKER_01 (13:10):
Nice.
Now, from your first experienceof how you came to this and the
different topics that we've beengoing through, um, it seems that
resilience and overcoming iskind of going to be a theme
through all this.
And it seems that you've gotsome answers through your own
(13:34):
experience.
Why don't you tell us a littlebit about you know the tools
that you use in sharing withhelping people to learn how to
be a better parent, how toovercome burnout and the stress
and all the things that, youknow, parenting is not fun or
easy necessarily.
It can be very rewarding, butit's certainly challenging.
I'm I'm certainly glad myparenting days are over and I'm
(13:57):
into my grandparenting days.
It's a whole lot easier.
SPEAKER_00 (14:02):
I love it.
Well, you know, yeah, it's it'sparenting has its challenges,
right?
It can be be difficult.
I have 18-year-old twin boysmyself.
And so I've I'm I'm kind of atthat point where they're 18 and
they're about to launch intocollege and that whole thing.
So, which is a whole nother setof challenges and things.
Um, but yeah, it's been a been ajourney for sure.
(14:23):
And so one of the things that isis primary in the new book, Step
Away, The Keys to ResilientParenting, and it's primary in
bounce, um, which is focused onthe kids, uh, is modulating our
stress response, sort of showingup each day in this even space.
Because if we're starting uphere and a challenge hits, we're
(14:47):
gonna escalate to the point ofshutdown.
And then we're not gonna be ableto show up for ourselves or our
kids, our families, our work,what have you.
So teaching folks to integrate areally simple technique uh into
their life called the relaxationresponse to help them modulate
their stress response.
(15:09):
And this technique was developedby a physician in Boston in the
late 1970s.
And very, very powerfultechnique, which everything I
teach is derived from thistechnique in terms of managing
your stress response.
And so you come up with a wordor a phrase that you find
soothing in some way, and youbreathe.
(15:30):
And you do that for five minutesin the morning and five minutes
in the evening, such that you'reintegrating what this level,
even space feels like.
And with the more practice thatyou do, the more consistently
you practice, the moreintegrated that way of being is
going to become.
It's gonna become kind of likeyour baseline.
(15:52):
And you can also take thistechnique along with you in your
back pocket to think of theword, the phrase, breathe for a
few minutes or a few secondsbefore entering into a stressful
conversation or somethingstressful comes up and you need
to sort of move through it.
So it's very portable that way,super simple.
So I have folks practice that,integrate that as a way of
(16:15):
building that even baseline sothat we can move on from there
and create sort of a toolbox ofstrategies that folks can also
integrate into their lives tocreate a resilient lifestyle.
Because resilience is not like aone-time event, you know, each
time a challenge comes up.
We want to have a resilientlifestyle kind of locked in.
SPEAKER_01 (16:40):
Well, it's also, you know, it sounds like what you're
talking about in a lot of waysis like a mini meditation.
Like you, you like meditationcan be a long, arduous process
that can take a lifetime tolearn, but you've kind of broken
it down into uh uh a littlepocket meditation where you can
(17:01):
just switch a switch on and getyourself sort of to that place
and uh get some of the benefitsout of it without all the the
time and and and I don't know,exhausting practice that it
takes a lot of people.
SPEAKER_00 (17:17):
Yeah, exactly.
And that's the point is to havea practice that you can easily
integrate into your life andthat you're gonna actually
practice.
Because if we tell people to,you know, start sitting down to
meditate twice a day for 20minutes, it's kind of not that
likely that it's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_01 (17:36):
Right, right.
It's easy to make a reason why,well, we'll do it tomorrow.
100% too much time, and I knowthat uh, you know, I I've I
struggled with that until fairlyrecently.
You know, I had to reprioritizeeverything, and all of a sudden
that became so important thatnow I just do it.
(17:59):
But most people or a lot ofpeople don't get hit with that
kind of a challenge where youhave to make a decision.
And I think that that'spowerful, you know.
The the I think a lot of timesthe little tools that are gonna
get used are as important ormore important than the big
(18:21):
tools that could change yourlife, but you're never gonna do
because they're too much work.
SPEAKER_00 (18:26):
100%.
Yes, 100%.
SPEAKER_01 (18:29):
And then you talk about um, you know, it's not
necessarily about beingresilient to the same thing over
and over again.
It's about learning to beresilient, it's about learning
techniques that you know thingsare always gonna come at you.
And learning that, you know,having a reasonable place to
(18:54):
start your day instead of ha,we're gonna go get it.
And then something happens andyou got to go even higher than
that.
Or, you know, you just find sortof a baseline place.
Like for me, um, I get up in themorning, usually before sunrise,
and I'll sit by myself and sharea cup of coffee with me and
think about the day, and thenI'll get up and I'll go for a
(19:16):
walk around my property with thedogs, and that's sort of my
let's start the day right here.
And then things come at you, andyou're already kind of in a
well, I've already had somebeauty, and I've already had a
little good experience with mydogs.
So, whatever it is, let's dealwith it.
And something simple like thathas been helpful for me to
(19:39):
manage, you know, what wouldotherwise be a pretty chaotic
life.
And uh is that sort of somethingthat you get people to do is
come up with sort of a a regimenor a ritual or or you know, some
little tool to help them?
SPEAKER_00 (19:58):
Yeah, absolutely.
Routine is super important andit's something that you know
I'll talk with with everybodyabout really, you know, what
what does your morning routinelook like?
How you know do you feel it'seither helping you as you start
your day, or is it super chaoticand perhaps taking away from the
start of your day?
(20:19):
And so helping folks craft orcreate a morning routine that
helps them start their day onthe right foot, no pun intended.
And it sounds like sounds likeyou really have that in place
with your coffee and your walksand all that.
SPEAKER_01 (20:36):
Yeah, yeah.
And it's just simple.
They're little things I enjoy.
And so if you can find like Icall it vitamin J.
If you can find joy in somethingthat is good for you, then
that's that's your goldenticket, you know.
And um, you know, I run anonprofit called Gardens of
Hope, and we we do what we calltherapeutic horticulture.
(20:58):
And so the idea is that youknow, get yourself outside and
do a thing, whatever it is, andyou'll find a little more by
being in nature.
And it's simple, we don't, youknow, let nature do the work.
And uh, but through all of this,like usually I I try to get
people to connect with somethingand that brings them joy, yeah.
(21:22):
And and if you get that, likeyou can always discipline
yourself to do a hard thingthat's good for you, right?
Diet, or or you know, notsitting in front of that screen
too long, or not getting upset,or whatever it is.
You can kind of throughwillpower and drive and and and
(21:43):
effort, you can you can do it.
But if it's fun, it's easy.
SPEAKER_00 (21:50):
Exactly, exactly.
That's such a great point.
And it's so easy for us to getmoving so fast through life that
we forget to stop and experiencethose things that bring us joy,
right?
So that is such an importantpoint.
Yeah, the the the J, what do youcall it?
The J.
Yeah, vitamin J.
Vitamin J, yes, yes, yes.
(22:11):
And I love that because it'strue, right?
It's it's it's such powerfulstuff that's often overlooked.
And so such a great point.
SPEAKER_01 (22:20):
Well, and so many times I think we're conditioned,
you know.
I grew up in a a Catholic uhtraining, and you know, you get
kind of taught that suffering isgood for you and joy is bad for
you, you know, and it's just notright.
Like, you know, it can be wefind joy in bad things.
Well, then yeah, you're right.
It's you shouldn't maybe dothose things.
(22:41):
And if you can find somethinggood in suffering, well, great,
you know, then you can turnlemons into lemonade, but that's
not a necessity.
Like you can find healing andjoy easily if you can just find
joy in the right thing.
So I'm I really think that youknow, us becoming aware of of
(23:02):
some of these little things canbe so helpful.
Now I know um you've you'vetransitioned or or added to your
uh repertoire speaking, doingTEDx speeches and things like
that.
Tell us a little bit about thetopics and the things that you
speak about.
SPEAKER_00 (23:22):
Yeah, that's that's a great question.
And it is something that I'mevolving into and I'm I'm
developing uh as we speak, andwe'll be launching that a lot in
uh 2026.
But really, my my goal is tohelp folks through my talks,
through my keynotes, toappreciate and thrive within
(23:44):
their own unique context.
Recognize that we're allbringing something to the table
and helping folks to get intouch with their bringing and
how they can use that to foster,maximize their potential, all
that good stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (24:00):
Nice, nice.
And the Optimize Mind podcast.
Um, tell us a little bit aboutthat.
It sounds like you uh arebringing in guests that have
some pretty amazing stories, andand um, you know, we we we share
probably a lot of the samethemes, and probably some of the
same guests of people that havegone through these, you know,
(24:23):
horrific uh life experiences andhow they've overcome and you
know gotten past these likeinsurmountable challenges.
SPEAKER_00 (24:34):
Yeah, absolutely.
So the Optimized Mind Um podcasthas been a great project.
It's been ongoing for threeyears.
Um really is the big big idea isto really uh explore this idea
of resilience through the humanexperience.
And so understand, yeah, whatfolks have been through, how
(24:54):
they've come through certainchallenges, how they've built
certain things.
Um, maybe they're helping achild through a challenge, you
know, a medical challenge or aserious physical disability type
of situation.
Um, so I interview folks acrossdomains with the idea of really
uncovering how resilience hasshown up for them within the
(25:18):
context of their humanexperience.
SPEAKER_01 (25:20):
Nice, nice.
I love that.
And uh I look forward to how doI find your podcast?
SPEAKER_00 (25:25):
Um, well, it's on Apple, uh, Apple Podcasts,
Spotify, sort of anywhere thatum that you can listen to
podcasts.
SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
Nice.
So I'm gonna look you up and uhand check some of that out.
Um, as we're getting a littleshort on time, I always like to
hear a story in 20 years ofbeing a therapist without you
know breaching any uh HIPAAstuff, that you've got to have
some amazing stories of peoplethat you've um helped to unlock
(25:56):
or discover or heal.
Uh why don't you share one ofthese uh, you know,
life-changing stories with us?
SPEAKER_00 (26:04):
Yeah, sure, sure.
And yeah, keeping in mind thethe whole HIPAA thing, no names
or no, you know, no, no, not allthe specifics.
But um, yeah, yeah, I guess onestory that I can share uh goes
way back to my fellowship days.
And I've had more similar onesto this as I've moved forward,
but this one is particularlypoignant.
Um, I was working at a pediatricburn center, and there was a
(26:28):
young patient there who had umexperienced a serious burn
injury to their face and losttheir eyesight.
Wow.
And I mean, life changing in somany, so many ways, obviously,
and devastating andcatastrophic.
And we went through the entireacute phase, reconstructive
(26:52):
phase, rehabilitation phase ofthe healing journey.
And this particular kid reallywas able to come back and start
to develop a new sense of normalwithin this really, really
horrific current context.
(27:13):
And when lots of folks wouldhave shut down completely, this
particular person was able toengage in the rehabilitation,
engage in the PT, and on oneparticular Friday afternoon was
found on the um on the in thedoorway of the playroom singing
(27:37):
Amazing Grace.
And was able to, you know, kindof turn it around in a sense,
and that there was this realdesire to use the experience to
give back to others.
And on that particularafternoon, through that song,
that was what started to happen.
SPEAKER_01 (27:56):
What a powerful experience that that must have
reinforced in you your purposeand and the value of what you
bring to all this.
SPEAKER_00 (28:05):
Definitely, for sure.
You know, the the power inseeing somebody experience
something so horrific, but thenbe able to move forward and also
give back is quiteextraordinary.
SPEAKER_01 (28:19):
I love that.
Well, Kate, um I always try toget our guests to sum up this
conversation with sort of afinal thought.
Um, is there something thatyou'd like to share with our
listeners to sort of encapsulatethe conversation here?
SPEAKER_00 (28:38):
Yeah, well, so what I what I would say to that is
um, you know, always believe inthe possibility on the other
side of the challenge for bothyourself as well as your kids,
your family.
Um, challenges are gonna pop up,but keep your eye on the
possibility that's on the otherside of it.
SPEAKER_01 (28:56):
Beautiful, beautiful.
And um I don't know much aboutthe the region of your practice,
but um a lot of therapists aredoing remote work as well as
in-person work, especially afterCOVID.
What is the area that youservice?
SPEAKER_00 (29:17):
Yeah, so I um am also doing uh virtual work, um,
quite a bit of it.
And I am actually licensedbecause I have a um SciP degree,
uh SciPAC license, which forpsychologists allows us to
practice in 42 states.
Oh no.
So I'm out there and I'mavailable for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (29:37):
Beautiful.
Well, how does somebody get ahold of you?
SPEAKER_00 (29:39):
Uh they can do that through my website, which is
www.katelundspeaks.com.
And I'm also uh very active onLinkedIn and Instagram.
SPEAKER_01 (29:51):
Wonderful.
Well, Kate, it has been apleasure.
As I suspected, the conversationwas gonna go very quickly, and
um I I just am grateful that youcame and my my invitation to
return is always there for you.
Um, and just want to thank youfor being here.
SPEAKER_00 (30:08):
Wonderful.
Well, thank you for having me,Joe.
I've really, really enjoyed thisand I appreciate it.
SPEAKER_01 (30:12):
Excellent.
Well, this has been anotherepisode of the Healthy Living
Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumba, and Iwant to thank all of our
listeners that have made thisshow possible, and we will see
you next time.
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.