March 21, 2025 • 53 mins
Transformational hypnotherapist Chloe Peters reveals how PMDD (Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder) and perimenopause symptoms can be healed by addressing subconscious trauma patterns and childhood beliefs. Through her personal journey of heartbreak and healing, Chloe discovered powerful methods to transform lives by accessing and rewiring the subconscious mind.
• Depression is the ultimate rejection of self stemming from limiting beliefs formed in childhood
• Trauma isn't just what happened to you, but also what wasn't done for you when you needed it
• 95% of our beliefs are formed by age 7 and continue running our lives unconsciously
• PMDD and perimenopause can be seen as "truth serums" revealing what needs healing in our lives
• Hypnotherapy accesses the subconscious mind to transform limiting beliefs in just one session
• Our beliefs create thoughts, thoughts create feelings, feelings dictate behaviors, and behaviors create our reality
• When we heal at the root level, we naturally become magnets for healthy relationships and opportunities
• Highly sensitive people (1 in 4 of us) process emotions more deeply and may be more susceptible to trauma imprints
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Cassandra (00:00):
Good day out there to all my listeners and I'd like
to welcome you to Is your Way Inyour Way podcast, and I'm your
host, cassandra Crawley-Mayo.
And for those new listeners outthere, just know that's also
the title of my book, is yourWay In your Way, and we like to
talk about topics related towhat I say personal improvement,
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business improvement ordevelopment and at times, this
will enable you to self-reflect.
And I also say that I'mprayerful that these podcasts at
least one of these podcastswill enable you to say you know
what?
I think this is the issue.
I think this is why I'm stuck.
(00:43):
I think this is why I'm stuck.
I think this is why I've alwayswanted to be an entrepreneur,
but something's stopping me.
I know I need to get out of atoxic relationship, but I'm
stuck with that.
I know that I need to move, Ineed to forgive somebody, just a
gamut of things that ispreventing you from living your
best life on your terms,preventing you from living your
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best life on your terms.
And while we're here living, wewant to make sure that we're
living our ordained purpose,whatever your gift is.
So it's time for us to moveforward and start doing the
things that we know within ourhearts or believe that this is
something God would have us todo.
However, you're stuck.
So today we're going to talkabout a topic that is
(01:27):
unbelievable to me.
It's titled what you may notknow about PMDD or perimenopause
.
Now some of you say, well, whatis PMDD?
Well, we're going to find out,and the person that's going to
talk to us about that name isChloe, and I say Jimenez, it was
(01:49):
just Spanish, peters and Chloe,I'd like to welcome you to.
Is your Way In your Way?
Podcast.
Chloe (01:56):
Thank you, Cassandra.
It's so cool to be here withyou.
Cassandra (02:00):
Yeah, I'm feeling the same way.
I'm looking forward to divingin guys, because this is a topic
that I'm saying you probablydon't even know about it or even
know what it stands for.
But before we delve into this,I want to read a little bit
about Chloe so that you can getsome what I would call
understand her a little bitbefore we dive in.
(02:22):
So Chloe is a transformationalhypnotherapist and trauma
informed coach who helps womenworldwide break free from the
subconscious patterns behindPMDD premenstrual dysphoric
disorder and we're going toelaborate on that perimenopause
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and the lingering effects oftoxic relationships.
Combining her medicalbackground with a profound
knowledge of the subconscious,chloe specializes in rewiring
the mind and nervous system tounlock true self-worth, inner
peace and fulfillingrelationship.
Intrigued by how Chloetransformed trauma into a
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success blueprint, thisinterview is going to reveal her
unique approach to healing andempowerment, paving the way for
a thriving, purpose-filled life.
Wow, this is so cool.
Hey, listeners, I'veexperienced what she's going to
talk about, so I know like whenI wrote my book, I said many of
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you will be able to see yourselfin the book, but this time
you're going to also seeyourself in this podcast.
So, chloe, before we, let meask you this what was life prior
to your journey, before youwent through your journey of
heartbreak and healing?
What was going on with youprior to that that your
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heartbreak and healing?
What's what happened?
Chloe (03:55):
So well.
I struggled with mental healthissues since my teens, so
actually I didn't even knowabout PMDD back then.
Actually I didn't even knowabout PMDD back then.
I was diagnosed with um chronicfatigue at 15 years old, then
clinical depression at 17 andthey prescribed me
antidepressants and then I wentto med school and I was very
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much down that whole you knowthe serotonin model and it's,
you know, imbalance and I reallytook all of that on and it
wasn't until I was left by the.
I call him the sperm donor ofmy three children because he is
absent and that's what he nowwill remain as the sperm donor
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left 23 He -year-old a Swedishgirl.
He disappeared.
I was pregnant and I wasabsolutely heart heartbroken and
I just remember sitting on mygreen sofa watching my two baby
boys under the age of two andjust thinking, because I just
couldn't sleep.
I was a complete wreck, youknow, obsessing over where he
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was, what they were doing, andjust in denial, really, really
just wanting my life back ontrack.
And I was having these thoughtsand I thought do you know what?
You're doing this to yourself,because you actually have choice
over what to think and you arechoosing to go onto social media
and look at what they're doing,and I realized that I was, I
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was a victim of, of my ownbehavior, and I had this thought
that went through my mind thatwas who's going to want you?
What will become of your life?
Who's going to want you withthree children?
And right there, like, don'tyou dare?
Because I realized I had choiceand I could see if I continued
to believe that the effect on mychildren would be catastrophic,
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that they would feel that theywere a burden to my happiness.
And so I went down a rabbithole of learning about the
subconscious mind and personalgrowth and deciding that I had
to become the best version of me.
I had to.
These kids had to know thatthey were enough and they only
had me to look at.
And so I started to reallystudy the subconscious mind and
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the laws of the universe and therules of the mind.
Cassandra (06:19):
And then I came across this training for rapid
transformational therapy, whichis what I do now the
hypnotherapy.
Let me ask you, Chloe, realquick have you gone to medical
school yet?
That's all this before, yeah.
Chloe (06:27):
So I had gone to medical school and then and qualified as
a dentist because I just so.
I grew up with a dad who was,like you will be a doctor or a
lawyer, and so I had my choicetaken away from me and actually
when I went to the subconsciousroot cause of the depression,
from me, and actually when Iwent to the subconscious root
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cause of the depression, Irealized that it was because of
that story I was hearing all thetime.
The child in me, my innerchildhood, concluded there's
something wrong with you becausehe needs you to be this in
order for you to be significant.
And so I concluded that I wasbad.
There was something innatelywrong with me, because I'd hear
him say to my sister well,you're going to be an actress,
you could be this, you can'thave the choice.
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And so and this is what we do,you know, we take on 95% of our
beliefs by the time we're sevenyears old and that is our
blueprint and theirmisperceptions of a child.
Right their conclusions a childcannot think that their pair,
you know they don't have alogical critical factor
developed by them, so they'rejust concluding all the time.
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So trauma is not just what wasdone to you.
Trauma is what wasn't done toyou.
You weren't lovedunconditionally, or you didn't
feel that you were lovedunconditionally.
And as a highly sensitiveperson, which one in four of us
is, and you see, that's, that'swhat is genetic, this highly
sensitive person's gene, andthis goes across a hundred
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species, even fruit flies, andin evolutionary terms there's,
you know, there's pros and consto both.
One is not more superior thanthe other, but if you are a
highly sensitive person, youprocess things deeply and you're
more susceptible to theselimiting beliefs, these trauma
imprints.
And actually just learningabout the highly sensitive
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person is really validating.
I ask my patients, my clients,to read about that, because it's
very validating.
You can understand yourselfdeeply.
Cassandra (08:27):
So do you think you know, and I'm glad we're talking
about this, because depressionwas always, for many years,
taboo and in some instances itstill is, and people do not like
to talk about it or admit it.
So what you're saying isbecause you ruminated a lot on
things, because of yoursensitivity in regard to your
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relationship and then your yourstinking thinking.
As a child, you know, forexample, my dad wanted me to be
a doctor, lawyer, but peopletold me what I was going to be.
Yet I never had a.
I never really thought.
I thought about what I wantedto be, but I thought I couldn't,
because that's not what I wastold.
(09:08):
Do you think it's it's yourthinking that causes that
depression if you think about itlong enough, or is it something
chemically in the brain?
Chloe (09:19):
so I will talk about depression all day long with you
, cassandra, because that's myreality, is depression, and when
you've worked with hundreds andhundreds of people for the same
thing, you start to see apattern in the subconscious
blueprint.
So I can tell you the typicalbeliefs under depression for
anger, for anxiety.
So with depression, thatserotonin model was never proven
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, it was just a hypothesis thatwas never proven.
But of course it suits bigproblem to carry on promoting
that.
With depression, it's theultimate rejection of self and
it is a belief you know, like ifyou grew up with parents not
being able to attune to you, notbeing it.
So my story was my story.
(10:04):
That's personal.
But I formed the belief that Iwas bad, there was something
innately wrong with me.
And this is what happens thesepeople, these children, these
young children, because nobodycould attune to them when they
were in a moment of need, that'syou know.
Parents went.
If you don't stop crying, I'mgoing to give you something to
cry about inclusion of the child.
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There's something wrong with me.
I'm bad, I'm wrong, I'minnately wrong and so this is.
These are the subconsciousbeliefs beneath the depression,
and depression is a freezeresponse.
So when we're talking about thenervous system, we have fight
or flight.
Let's say that's the light infight flight.
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You will find anxiety, you willfind rage, anger, which is
really typical in pmdd.
And then, when you reach yourthreshold of fight or flight,
your nervous system comes toprotect you further because you
can't be in that state for toolong and you go into freeze
response.
Here you will find thedepression, you will find
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dissociation and it's just yournervous system protecting you
and moving you into this newstate of survival.
Um, because of your perception,your perception of danger right
, and the perception comes fromyour subconscious blueprint I am
perceiving that I may berejected.
(11:30):
As humans, we have to belong tosurvive.
That's number one.
We have to belong in order tosurvive.
A human child cannot survivewithout the parents, without the
caregivers keeping them alive.
So it's our priority to survive.
In order to survive, we need tobelong.
We need to be the good girl.
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We need to, because that's howwe parent conditionally.
Oh, if I'm a good girl, then Ifeel loved.
If I don't do that, then I feelrejected.
I must never do that again.
We're being programmed all thetime.
Cassandra (12:17):
OK, so so trauma is just not about assault or trauma
is a sounds like.
It's a lot of things you knowwhen you talk about like what,
like, what is your definition oftrauma?
Trauma is something that canhappen in your childhood.
Or explain how you definetrauma, because I think people
see it differently.
Some people do.
Chloe (12:33):
Yeah, I, yeah.
Well, because the general, thegeneral, the general
understanding is those thingsthat we call big T trauma,
things that happen to you, thatshouldn't have happened to you.
I'm not really comfortable withcategorizing trauma as big T
and small T.
So trauma in Greek means wound,and the thing is we all have
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different sensitivities, we havea different capacity from one
another to hold certain certainevents.
So the trauma is not the event.
Actually that could be thattraumatic event.
The trauma is what occurs inthe body, it's the, the, the
glitch in the nervous system,the glitch in your subconscious
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blueprint.
So you're being splintered fromyour wholeness.
You're forming these limitingbeliefs, these lies about
yourself, like I don't matter,I'm not significant, I must
never trust myself again, I'mnot safe.
And a child, because a child is.
So in the present moment, theytag every belief with and it
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will always be this way.
And so we go through life untilwe do this work and we
absolutely rectify the blueprintto the truth and that's
changing.
We're actually just kind offree-falling through life, not
understanding why things are nothappening for us, getting in
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our own way, because we'refunctioning on software that you
created in your formative yearswith with your child's mind, um
, and you know when, I do thinkthat it mostly comes from
childhood.
Of course we can have traumaticevents in adulthood, but I think
that how you react to thatdepends on your childhood
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programming.
If you look at soldiers thatcome back from war, 20% of them
come back with PTSD.
Now that makes me think thatthose 20% perhaps had childhood
trauma that exacerbated.
The system is perceiving that.
Cassandra (14:48):
Yeah, yeah, so, okay.
So let's talk about theperimenopause.
What's the difference?
Now, as women, many of us knowabout the menopause.
(15:09):
If you've not been there,you're going to go, so let's
talk about what PMDD.
I said what it was, but whatdoes that mean?
Premenstrual dysphoric disorderversus perimenopause?
Chloe (15:25):
So premenstrual dysphoric disorder is like PMS on
steroids, so I mean it'sexperienced differently by each
woman, actually, and you don'thave to have a diagnosis to do
this work.
You know, I didn't even know Ihad it and most people don't,
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and some.
I realized that a lot of myclients were coming to me and
saying I don't know if this isPMDD or it's the perimenopause.
My answer to that is it justdoesn't matter.
You've got symptoms that youwant to be free of.
If you go to the subconsciousroot, of it and then they were
saying, when they were comingout of my signature program, why
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don't you do a program forperimenopause?
And I'm like, well it's, itdoesn't matter, it's the same
work.
So my program wounds into wingsis for depression,
perimenopause and pmdd.
So with pmdd for me, forinstance, now I know what it is.
I learned about it in mytraining because there was a
master class on it from anothergraduate who had discovered that
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she healed herself in hertraining by having sessions on
herself.
And I watched this master classand I was like, oh, oh, my God,
that's what I had from being 14years old, from the onset of
menstruation, I had it.
Now it's not the same foreverybody.
Some women have it just come tothem when they're, you know,
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after childbirth, they startexperiencing it, or they
experience it later in life.
Now I just see it as a callingto expand your potential right.
It's a calling to heal the pastthat is keeping you stuck.
The PMDD is the calling you'resaying I mean any of these
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diseases, these disorders thatwe can improve.
Uh-huh, uh-huh disease, right,okay, yeah, disease in your body
.
It's like huh, you know yourbody is saying no, your body is
trying to get your attention ifit's trying to get you to look
at it, and so that's how I seeit.
Now, with pmdd, it's horrendous, you know we have the symptoms
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are um suicide ideation, um,complete, um shutdown.
Women can't hold down a jobbecause of this.
They can't keep relationships,marriages end because of it.
Because it's like jacqueline,it's like they've been possessed
, and it's horrendous becausefor half a month they're not
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them.
And these women tend to be themost empathetic, the most
creative, caring women andthey're experiencing this and
and it's.
And when they do this work andthey let go of those symptoms
and they replace those glitchesin their subconscious with the
truth about them, the new,empowering opposites, the whole
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life starts to change you knowthis is what you know.
This is why I call it woundsinto wings now, because it
wasn't always that, because itwasn't just feeling their wings,
they were transforming theirrelationships, they were getting
pain rises, they were creatingmagic with their lives, um up
with with ideas.
(18:39):
But you know one lady I justfinished working with.
She was working in a bar when Istarted working with her at the
beginning of my eight-weekprogram.
When she came out, she alreadyhad a business idea to be, um,
you know, to do landscaping andgarden architecture, and it was
like that's what, that's whatmade her, that's what lit her up
.
But she'd never given herselfpermission to have what she
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desired, because it wasn't.
The beliefs were what I wantdoesn't matter, it's not
important, and these arechildhood beliefs that are
keeping us stuck and yoursubconscious mind will show you
whatever we go to.
The symptom of yoursubconscious mind absolutely has
the answer and the problem isyour subconscious mind is
running the show.
It's running all the processesof your subconscious mind.
Absolutely has the answer andthe problem is your subconscious
mind is running the show, it'srunning all the processes in
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your body and you're runningfrom your subconscious mind.
95, it's your autopilot, so youcan consciously desire
something, but if yoursubconscious programming says
something else, the mind can'thold conflicting beliefs.
It's not going to happen.
Cassandra (19:46):
So the subconscious could say I'm not good enough,
right, because of what somebodysaid to me back in my childhood.
Or the subconscious mind cansay you know I'll never be this,
because my mom says you'llnever be nothing.
You know, I hear I've actuallyheard individuals arguing with
their children and say you,stupid somebody.
I mean just crazy stuff thatthey'll say and I'm not quite
(20:08):
sure if they understand theimpact that they will have as
they get older.
And because we're just talking,I know what hormones.
Hormones are powerful.
Let's talk about hormones andwe all have the men have them
too, but ours, what is that?
(20:28):
The estrogen, the progesterone,the testosterone, why are they
so powerful?
Chloe (20:37):
Well, you know, we women are cyclical beings but we live
in a man's world and we areexpected to be, you know, doing,
do it.
And also when we become mothersas well, because mothering is a
masculine energy Right.
We're women and we've kind ofabandoned the very fact that we
have cyclical needs and throughthe month we need to be honoring
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those needs.
They're seasons of a month andwe have to really honor that and
understand that when thatluteal phase comes, that shift
in hormones is causing us tolook inward to do some
inspection.
It's like the assessment modeand when you have these glitches
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in your subconscious mind,you're faced to look, you're
faced to feel, because yoursubconscious mind is the feeling
mind.
All of your emotions and yourfeelings come from the
subconscious mind.
Emotion overrides logic everytime.
And so when you're in yourluteal phase and you're going
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inward because this is the timewhere you're supposed to
reassess and grow and look wherewe need to make changes in our
lives, but society doesn't, it'snot conducive to that I think
we're changing this now.
I think we're waking up to thefact that we have to honour our
cyclical ways and look afterourselves.
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But this time of introspectionand this time of going inwards
into assessment mode, whenyou're faced with it's like a
truth serum this hormone shift.
It's like lifting the veil onyour past pain, on your past
trauma that needs to beoptimized, it needs to be
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transformed and it's showing you, showing you that we're like
hating on our hormones becausewe've been programmed to hate on
our hormones and programmed,you know, need to keep going,
need to keep doing, um, in avery masculine way.
So actually we are very magicalbeings.
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I believe we have immense powerand we are we've kind of had
that taken away from us um, thatthat little secret, that
actually you know the pain thatcomes, the feelings that come up
in those days.
You need to look at those.
What's that about?
Because that you need totransform that.
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You need to look at the root ofthat and then turn it on its
head because it's not true andyou can change.
You can absolutely swap that,reframe that limiting belief,
but it's showing you.
Cassandra (23:23):
Okay, okay.
Are there quizzes or tests toshow whether you have PMDD?
How does the individual knowthey have PMDD or, like you said
, perimenopause, even though yousaid they're kind of the same
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thing?
Chloe (23:48):
Well, I mean, yeah, with the perimenopause, I guess you
would.
I mean it really, for me, forthe work that I do, it really
doesn't matter, but you can gethormone.
You can get your hormoneschecked.
I'm hearing, though, that it'sreally challenging to get a test
for your hormones, and actually, as far as I'm concerned, it
really doesn't matter.
(24:09):
We just need to get to the rootof this stuff that's coming up
for you.
So, with the PMDD, a bit likeany other issue, there's a list
of symptoms, and you would tickoff yeah, I'm suffering with
that.
Yeah, I'm suffering with rain,I'm suffering.
You know, people in in in yourrelationships in those days,
people tend to get feel kind ofconfused about their feelings
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towards their partner.
They don't want to be touched,they want to isolate.
Um, they, it's like a waragainst yourself.
Well, it actually is.
You're going inwards and you'reseeing all these horrible or
experiencing these horrendousbeliefs about yourself, that
you're wrong, you're bad, thatyou're not safe, and the
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relationship issue I mean that'sthat goes back, goes back to
you know, how you felt, how safeyou felt around your caregivers
, right, and when you're in yourmost sensitive days and all
this stuff is coming to thesurface.
The safest thing for you to do,naturally, is isolate, so
there's nothing wrong with you.
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It's just a healthy response towhat you're experiencing.
But it's still alive in yourbody and it doesn't have to be.
We can get to the root of it,we can transform it and you set
yourself free and you understand, because I don't only do the
transformational hypnotherapy,we also do polyvagal work to
reshape your nervous system.
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We learn cognitive psychologyto get in control of your
thoughts, and positivepsychology.
So we're doing the consciouswork and the subconscious work.
Really, you know, understandhow your brilliant organism is
working for you and to continueusing these tools as a way of
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being in your life.
Cassandra (26:00):
Yeah, and I like when you said there's nothing wrong
with you, you know how, you know.
I remember, you know, and I, asI mentioned before we started
how I went through menopause inmy late thirties and I was
devastated Like what in the why,why, why, why, why am I so
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young?
And because I always hear aboutit when people are, I don't
know 40, 50, 60s and I'm like,wow, what, what is going on with
that?
And so it's kind of like, it'slike I did think something was
wrong, you know, and for them tosay it, I'm like, oh my gosh,
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what happened to me?
Why am I like that?
And then I go introspectivelylike, maybe because I did this,
or maybe because I worried a lotand my hormones trickle, or
just something it always has tobe.
If it's not going the way wewant it, or or whether we can't
control it, we think something'swrong that's it.
Chloe (27:03):
Yeah, right, and this is why understanding how your
organism works is so important.
The nervous system work, thepolyvagal work, because what we
do is because of this frontalcortex, the neocortex.
When we experience a stressresponse like fight or flight,
we start to judge it.
We start to judge it, we fearit, which then it increment, it
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makes it worse the anxiety.
We drive ourselves into a panicattack because we're not
understanding.
Oh, this is my nervous systemperceiving there's danger.
Now, what am I perceiving?
Fear of judgment.
Well, I validate me.
I'm not a dependent childanymore, right?
So when we can understand thesubconscious programming because
we've made it conscious and wecould we have the tools to bring
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our nervous system back tohomeostasis and understand.
Actually, our nervous system isalways working for us, not
against us, and we have, youknow, our emotions, our
behaviors, what we'reexperiencing.
This is changing yourphysiology every moment in the
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day.
You know your genes areswitching on and off according
to what you need, every momentin the day, according.
This is epigenetics, and soyour reactions to things are
going to change your hormone,your hormonal levels in your
body.
That's just how it is, becauseyour body's incredibly
intelligent.
(28:28):
Ah, I need to adapt to thissituation.
I mean, that's what thesetrauma imprints are.
Right, they're adaptations tothe environment, just like when
a plant is short of, let's say'ssay, copper, its leaves will go
yellow in order to survive.
It's adapting to itsenvironment, just as we have to
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do, and our nervous system andour and our cells are incredibly
intelligent and thesubconscious mind is running the
show, so it's understanding.
Understanding is power andunderstanding what you can do,
what tools you can pull from,and really, just looking like
anytime, I have something I'mlike.
This feeling's been here for afew days now and I don't know
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what this is.
I'm gonna have a session, I'mgonna get to the subconscious
root of it and I'm gonnaalchemize it because I know it's
the next level of growth, it'smy next level of expansion and
this is what we're here for.
We're here to evolve.
Sadly, the human species isde-evolving, but we, we've got
to do the work.
We've got to do the work for usand you know, we've only got
(29:34):
one.
We've only got one life in this, in this body, and so we've got
to make the most of it and andthat was my thing in that moment
on the green sofa I've got tobecome the best version of me.
I've got to find my purpose.
Um, if not, if not for me, forthem, because they depend on me,
right?
Cassandra (29:54):
right.
So it sounds like you got to apoint where enough is enough.
You know, it's like I'm sick ofthis and sometimes I believe
that's what it takes.
And even when I think aboutwhat I've gone through and
thinking about my book and youknow my emotions and why it took
(30:14):
me so long to write the bookI'm like, okay, I'm sick and
tired of feeling like I'mfeeling, so it's time for me to
get help.
And when I say help, what I didwas went on a self-discovery
journey.
Okay, because I'm not sure whatit is that I need, you know.
But it's just like thisparticular podcast, my listeners
(30:37):
there's some listeners outthere struggling or either have
some friends that are strugglinglike you know what?
Maybe I do have PMDD, you know.
Oh, yeah, I am depressed, oryeah, I'm going to go to the
doctor and get someantidepressants, you know.
And so the work that you dodoes it mitigate having
(31:00):
antidepressants or not?
Or you think, because I want tohear the tools you use to help
people get out of their self orget out of their way, to start
living their full potential.
So what are your tools?
And do you believe inantidepressants or is it both?
Chloe (31:24):
well, you know I have my.
I was put on antidepressants at17 and you know I'm not against
them in that they can belife-saving when you're really
rock bottom.
But that for me is like puttingearplugs in right where it's
like earplugs in and notactually extracting the wisdom
from what you're being shown.
(31:45):
Um, many women I work with sayI, I just can't be on these
antidepressants anymore.
I, I feel numb, um, I have nosex drive.
Um, I just I have to dosomething.
I can't be on them anymore.
And my point is, with the workthat we do, this work makes them
(32:05):
futile.
I mean, the point is to do thiswork and it's rapid and it is
super effective, and this islike turning your wounds into
wings and so it's to make themunnecessary.
I mean my, my mum, for instance, she was on antidepressants.
She had an RTT session with me.
(32:25):
Never again she's, she's.
You know, and this is this ismy own mom and I'm working with
hundreds of women.
My mom, bless her, she was onantidepressants for most of her
life and struggling.
So I'm not here to say toanybody right now now we've done
the session, you can come offthe antidepressants right,
(32:47):
something you work with withyour doctor to wean yourself off
them if that's what you want todo.
But my, my, my point is thatthe work that we do makes just
makes them unnecessary.
Actually, because we've gone tothe subconscious route and in
one session you can be free fromdepression.
It's, it's, you get to go inthere, in, like this hip, the
(33:09):
hypnotic brain states that, bythe way, are a completely
natural brain state that you arein and out of every day.
Because a lot of people worryabout the hypnosis thing,
because, well, we've grown upwatching stage hypnotists making
you cluck like a chicken andbark like a dog and do things
that you wouldn't normally do.
So people think I'm going to beout of control.
It's just like a meditation.
(33:31):
You're just more in control,you're more aware, you can
access.
You can access memories thatmaybe you couldn't access with
your, with your conscious mind.
Some people go to the womb,some people go to being born,
some people access memories thatthey'd completely forgotten.
And whatever your subconsciousmind shows you, that's
(33:52):
absolutely what you need to lookat and we will.
You go back.
So the first thing we do inthis two-hour session is
regression.
So you'll go back.
Your subconscious mind willshow you three or four scenes
from your childhood that thatthey're absolutely to do with,
with the root cause, and youwill, and through that
regression I extract the beliefs.
(34:14):
What's the feeling?
You know, I'm seven years old,I'm sitting on the porch and I'm
feeling shame, I'm feeling bad,I'm believing that nobody loves
me.
That must mean that I'munlovable, I'm unlikable.
These beliefs, and so, andacross those three, four scenes
that you could, that yoursubconscious mind shows us, you
(34:37):
get to see the collection, theparadigm, the, the set of
beliefs that have been runningthe show.
And so, for the rest of thosetwo hours, we do all the
reframing, we do the inner childwork.
And doing this work in hypnoticbrain states is so powerful
because it's like going intothis portal of infinite
(34:59):
resources portal of infiniteresources and it's really quite
spiritual as well and justreconnecting with yourself and
accepting yourself as lovable,as likable, as more than enough,
and realize that was always thetruth.
Cassandra (35:16):
So this approach to hypnotherapy is the approach
that enables your patients tobreak free Absolutely.
Yeah, okay, all right, have youever gone through?
And you say your sessions areabout two hours?
Right, and and what you saidabout your mom or another
(35:37):
patient?
Like, you can go through asession and you'll be done,
right, but then some people maytake longer, is that correct?
More than two hours, and theyhave to come back another day
and redo this again.
Chloe (35:53):
So my sessions are two hours long, but after that
session you will go away with a15 minute recording with all the
new empowering beliefspertinent to that session and
you must listen to that for 21to 30 days.
Every day when you go to bedyou'll do the self-hypnosis to
rewire the subconscious mind.
(36:15):
Because the mind learns in twoways in hypnotic brain states
and by repetition.
Children are in brain statesuntil.
By repetition, children are inhypnotic brain states until
they're seven years old they arein hypnotic brain states.
That's why they absorb thingslike sponges, and so that's how
the mind learns.
So I go.
I use one session per symptom.
(36:36):
So normally if somebody comesto me with depression and
anxiety, I go right, we're goingto go to the root cause of the
depression.
I want to get you out of freezeresponse first.
So we go to the root cause ofthe depression and after, after
that session, it's just sodifferent for them and I would
say after a day or two theyalready feel free.
(36:59):
The depression has gone, butthey're still listening to the
recording and they're stilllistening to the recording and
they're still you workingthrough the conscious lessons
that I provide them in myprogram.
And then, at the end of thosethree or four weeks we move on
to the second session.
So they have all of those daysconsolidate the new learnings
and consolidate and then, wehave to move into whatever's
(37:24):
left.
So I don't often say, well, well, for the second session we'll
do anxiety, because we don'tknow, the anxiety might also be
gone with that first session.
So we just see what's left.
Sometimes people say, do youknow what?
I don't know what to work on.
I mean, that's 5% of people Idon't know what to work on.
(37:46):
I go's five percent of people Idon't know what to work on.
Okay, well, let's work onabundance blocks, let's work on
life purpose, you know.
But normally what we do is wego to a fight or flight symptom,
like rage like anxiety and thenwe can get you out of the fight
or flight.
And then again they get a newrecording with the beliefs
pertinent to that session thatneed to replace the old ones
that we pulled out with thereframing and the inner child
work.
So then they listen to that newrecording for another three to
(38:10):
four weeks and by the end of theprogram they say I'm worried
that this isn't going to last.
Oh yeah, I was going to askthat they go.
I'm worried if this feels toogood to be true, I'm worried
it's not going to last.
And I say this is just thebeginning of a whole new way of
being, because now we're goingto build and build and build.
(38:32):
With the tools that you haveJust keep expanding
exponentially.
I mean it's mad, being on thisjourney, how quickly we're
growing exponentially.
Cassandra (38:43):
I mean it's mad, being on this journey, how
quickly we're growing.
Wow, this is like it's like itcould be a miracle.
I mean, if you think aboutthere's.
So what did they say?
Is it one in 10 individualsthat are on antidepressants?
I mean it's huge of individualsthat are on that.
So if they knew about Chloe andthe work that you do, it's like
(39:07):
well, why don't more peopleknow about you?
Or either you're going to say,well, that's why I'm doing all
these podcasts, and then I readsome information.
You have a lot of testimonialsof individuals that have worked
with you that talk about howmuch better their life is, that
they are actually reaching whatthey believe their full
potential.
(39:27):
You've even said that they canbecome a magnet for happy and
good relationships, and even ifthey're suffering from hormones.
So this approach you have.
You know how individuals willsee somebody and say something
about you.
You know it's like I don't knowwhat it is, but I feel like I'm
(39:50):
drawn to you.
I've had people say that it'sjust something, and then, you
know, I've even heard doctorssay, when your estrogen levels
are up, you more.
You know, I've heard thatbefore like really, you know, um
, but what you say, is theybecome a magnet um loving
relationships, harmonious lovingrelationships.
(40:12):
So this approach also.
Once they're somewhat clearedfrom this, they attract who they
are.
Chloe (40:23):
Tell us about that.
Yes, Cassandra, I actually endedup becoming a narcissistic
abuse specialist because I wasseeing the pattern, these
beautiful souls that were comingto me with all these horrible
limiting beliefs and traumaimprints.
They also had been attractingtoxic relationships.
(40:44):
And of course, why do weattract these toxic partners?
Because of the childhoodbeliefs we have about ourselves.
So it's no coincidence, it's weare.
You know, what we believe tendsto be realized, and so we do
become a magnet for people thatyou know benefit from our
(41:07):
limiting beliefs.
So when you transform I meanimagine if you've got beliefs
like I don't matter, what I wantdoesn't matter, I'm unlovable
what kind of relationship areyou going to tolerate?
And so when you turn thosebeliefs on their head and you're
(41:31):
showing up like my God, there'snothing I have to do to be
lovable.
Actually, I was born lovable.
I'm enough, I'm enough.
I'm not going to tolerate oreven be interested or look at
anybody who thinks less of youthan you do.
And so it's only natural thatyou start manifesting all of
(41:53):
these amazing things in yourlife that you hadn't even dreamt
were possible.
It goes down to the blueprint,the subconscious blueprint.
Cassandra (42:05):
Right, and I hear a lot about generational curses.
You know I've talked to peopleto say, well, my mom, always my
mom, had had had a child whenshe was 17, and so did her mom
and then so did her mom.
You know, it's like so we'rejust cursing, it's like like
it's it's okay because that'show my family is.
But if it, like you're saying,if this is what you believe, I
(42:25):
think I saw something you saidif you your, your, your, what
did you say?
Your thoughts you had a sayingwas reading.
What was that saying about howyou feel?
Chloe (42:37):
if you do this, say that say that your beliefs create
your thoughts.
Your thoughts create yourfeelings, and your feelings
dictate the behavior, theydictate the action you take, and
that creates your personalreality.
You've got to go to the root.
It's the beginning.
Cassandra (42:57):
It's not the beliefs.
That's so good.
Everyone.
That's Max.
A lot of my listeners knowabout Max, my little puppy Max.
You're going to get my puppygirl.
Oh my gosh, he was so good andhe's not even in the room.
He just wants you to know he'shere.
(43:23):
Yeah, yeah, gosh he was so goodand he's not even in the room.
He's just want you to know he'shere, yeah, yeah, and talking
about you know, like my mom, forinstance, I noticed my mom, she
has a belief that life is hard.
Right, I'm sorry?
Oh my gosh, okay, and that'syour mom.
Chloe (43:37):
And I get really frustrated with that because I'm
like you know that's a beliefand beliefs are yours to change.
You can carry on believing thatit has that life is hard, but
I'm not taking that on, I'mletting that go.
I'm choosing that everything isdoable, that everything comes
to serve me and that you knowthere's growth from everything.
You know life's, the nature oflife, is to challenge us.
(44:00):
Our job is to grow from it.
Yeah, life, its nature is to isto challenge.
That's it, and our job is tojust grow from it.
So, yeah, to hold more andactually do the nervous system
work, so that our nervous systemis not going into a
(44:21):
physiological state that isgoing to create illness wow,
that's amazing stress state.
I was like, oh my goodness, thepathways that I am activating
physiologically are going tocreate illness like this is how
illness is caused.
(44:41):
I have to take control of myactions and my thoughts.
How do I do that?
I've got to change the beliefsystem right, excellent, right,
excellent, excellent, wow.
Cassandra (44:53):
This conversation was awesome.
It certainly provides mylisteners insights on why they
are stuck.
I mean, it could be differentthings, however, but just think
you know, are they?
Are they having these symptoms?
You talked about the depression.
I'm not good enough all thisthought patterns.
(45:14):
Or are they in the menopausalstage or the pre-menopausal
stage?
And, like we said in thebeginning, what you may not have
known about, pmdd orperimenopause, as you indicated,
it's one and the same.
I mean, let's just you know,it's kind of like when they talk
(45:37):
about dementia and what's it,and the doctor said well, to me
it's the same as an umbrella,you know well, you know, trying
to figure out do they havedementia?
And then it's called somethingelse.
And then they said, well, it'sall the same.
Chloe (45:55):
Yeah, I mean, I don mean the labels are useful, they can
feel validating, but I for me,with the work that I do, doesn't
matter.
We're working for the rootcause of the symptom and you
know, perimenopause is showingyou you're, you're being shown,
you know those, those months oryears running up to the
menopause, you're being shownwhat you need to alchemize, what
you need to look at in order toexpand and and really you know
(46:21):
be who you're meant to be.
It's screaming out.
So pmdd is pms on steroids.
You can have it from yourperiod, perimenopause symptoms
that obviously show up in themonths running up to the
menopause, in the years.
So it really doesn't matter.
You know we, we go to the rootcause of I mean, I worked with
(46:41):
breast cancer we go to theemotional root cause of whatever
you are struggling with and wejust transform the subconscious
blueprint.
So, yeah, you don't need a, youdon't.
You don't need um the label,because your feelings are the
most real thing you have.
You're a human, your feelingsare real.
(47:02):
You don't need a doctor to say,oh well, you've got this, how's
that useful so that they cangive you a pill.
But that's benefiting who?
Cassandra (47:12):
yes, yeah, right yeah , so we have to be careful what
we're thinking right with ourpast and um our blinders that we
have on the things that peopletold us, those limiting beliefs
and all of that.
Chloe (47:26):
Wow and we're not even conscious of them.
Actually, that's the thing.
And you actually spoke aboutrumination.
So, yeah, the rumination tendsto take us deeper into the
depression, ruminating overthings we do that don't we cause
shame.
Oh, I shouldn't have said that.
Oh, I shouldn't have done that.
The rumination, and then theanxiety, typically is worrying
(47:50):
about what could happen, aboutthe future, but those thoughts
come from a subconsciousblueprint about your safety in
this world.
Cassandra (48:03):
That's wonderful, Wonderful Boy.
How can my listeners get intouch with you?
Chloe (48:10):
Well, instagram.
I am on Instagram and if youwould like to come and have a
chat with me, I offer 15 minutefree discovery calls where we
can start to map out yourhealing journey.
So you can book that call viamy website into wingscom Um, and
(48:38):
you can DM me on Instagram Ifyou're feeling ready to to start
this amazing transformationalwork and become the best you
rapidly getting to the root.
Cause me on Instagram and booka call with me.
I'd be delighted.
Cassandra (48:57):
Wow, you were great.
I definitely know what PMDDmeans and the perimenopause and
I'm getting a betterunderstanding in regards to our
nervous system and our thinking,and I think many of us already
(49:17):
know that our thoughts have somuch to do with what's going on
in our lives.
It's just that many of us don'twant to do the work, and you
didn't get like this yesterday,so don't think you're going to
get out of it tomorrow.
You know, because we're a quick, like a microwave society, we
want it right now, but yet oneof these things these podcasts
(49:40):
have been doing is providingresources and giving individuals
insight and another way ofthinking about things.
You know, it opens them up towhat's really out here in the
world, and it's their decision.
I think having your choice is agift to me.
So it's their decision towhether this is the route they
want to go in, because Idefinitely believe that we're
(50:05):
all here for a reason, and it'stough to figure out what the
reason is when you're stuck, youknow, like I just can't get out
of this cycle that I'm in.
I can't even think straight, Ican't even focus and, based on
the work that you do, you aredefinitely a resource.
I see you as a blessing forthose who are open and want to
(50:26):
get better.
I would say so.
I'd like to thank you, mylisteners, I know you've enjoyed
this and I ask that if you havefriends, family, acquaintances
that you know, this wouldresonate with them and it could
be a blessing to them.
Please share it, please sharethis podcast with them.
(50:46):
It's also going to be on everypodcast platform and I just want
to thank Chloe for being on mypodcast.
It's just great.
And for my listeners, I alwayssay bye for now.
God bless you, and also listento this podcast more than once.
It's okay to get it in yourpsyche and hear it over and over
(51:10):
, again, again, because I'mcertain it'll be a blessing.
And, chloe, I have to say byefor now.
And again, thank you so muchfor being a guest on my podcast.
Is your way, in your way.
Thank you, chloe.
Chloe (51:25):
Thank you, Cassandra Bye.
Good day out there to all my listeners and I'd like
to welcome you to Is your Way Inyour Way podcast, and I'm your
host, cassandra Crawley-Mayo.
And for those new listeners outthere, just know that's also
the title of my book, is yourWay In your Way, and we like to
talk about topics related towhat I say personal improvement,
(00:22):
business improvement ordevelopment and at times, this
will enable you to self-reflect.
And I also say that I'mprayerful that these podcasts at
least one of these podcastswill enable you to say you know
what?
I think this is the issue.
I think this is why I'm stuck.
(00:43):
I think this is why I'm stuck.
I think this is why I've alwayswanted to be an entrepreneur,
but something's stopping me.
I know I need to get out of atoxic relationship, but I'm
stuck with that.
I know that I need to move, Ineed to forgive somebody, just a
gamut of things that ispreventing you from living your
best life on your terms,preventing you from living your
(01:07):
best life on your terms.
And while we're here living, wewant to make sure that we're
living our ordained purpose,whatever your gift is.
So it's time for us to moveforward and start doing the
things that we know within ourhearts or believe that this is
something God would have us todo.
However, you're stuck.
So today we're going to talkabout a topic that is
(01:27):
unbelievable to me.
It's titled what you may notknow about PMDD or perimenopause
.
Now some of you say, well, whatis PMDD?
Well, we're going to find out,and the person that's going to
talk to us about that name isChloe, and I say Jimenez, it was
(01:49):
just Spanish, peters and Chloe,I'd like to welcome you to.
Is your Way In your Way?
Podcast.
Chloe (01:56):
Thank you, Cassandra.
It's so cool to be here withyou.
Cassandra (02:00):
Yeah, I'm feeling the same way.
I'm looking forward to divingin guys, because this is a topic
that I'm saying you probablydon't even know about it or even
know what it stands for.
But before we delve into this,I want to read a little bit
about Chloe so that you can getsome what I would call
understand her a little bitbefore we dive in.
(02:22):
So Chloe is a transformationalhypnotherapist and trauma
informed coach who helps womenworldwide break free from the
subconscious patterns behindPMDD premenstrual dysphoric
disorder and we're going toelaborate on that perimenopause
(02:43):
and the lingering effects oftoxic relationships.
Combining her medicalbackground with a profound
knowledge of the subconscious,chloe specializes in rewiring
the mind and nervous system tounlock true self-worth, inner
peace and fulfillingrelationship.
Intrigued by how Chloetransformed trauma into a
(03:07):
success blueprint, thisinterview is going to reveal her
unique approach to healing andempowerment, paving the way for
a thriving, purpose-filled life.
Wow, this is so cool.
Hey, listeners, I'veexperienced what she's going to
talk about, so I know like whenI wrote my book, I said many of
(03:29):
you will be able to see yourselfin the book, but this time
you're going to also seeyourself in this podcast.
So, chloe, before we, let meask you this what was life prior
to your journey, before youwent through your journey of
heartbreak and healing?
What was going on with youprior to that that your
(03:51):
heartbreak and healing?
What's what happened?
Chloe (03:55):
So well.
I struggled with mental healthissues since my teens, so
actually I didn't even knowabout PMDD back then.
Actually I didn't even knowabout PMDD back then.
I was diagnosed with um chronicfatigue at 15 years old, then
clinical depression at 17 andthey prescribed me
antidepressants and then I wentto med school and I was very
(04:15):
much down that whole you knowthe serotonin model and it's,
you know, imbalance and I reallytook all of that on and it
wasn't until I was left by the.
I call him the sperm donor ofmy three children because he is
absent and that's what he nowwill remain as the sperm donor
(04:37):
left 23 He -year-old a Swedishgirl.
He disappeared.
I was pregnant and I wasabsolutely heart heartbroken and
I just remember sitting on mygreen sofa watching my two baby
boys under the age of two andjust thinking, because I just
couldn't sleep.
I was a complete wreck, youknow, obsessing over where he
(04:58):
was, what they were doing, andjust in denial, really, really
just wanting my life back ontrack.
And I was having these thoughtsand I thought do you know what?
You're doing this to yourself,because you actually have choice
over what to think and you arechoosing to go onto social media
and look at what they're doing,and I realized that I was, I
(05:21):
was a victim of, of my ownbehavior, and I had this thought
that went through my mind thatwas who's going to want you?
What will become of your life?
Who's going to want you withthree children?
And right there, like, don'tyou dare?
Because I realized I had choiceand I could see if I continued
to believe that the effect on mychildren would be catastrophic,
(05:45):
that they would feel that theywere a burden to my happiness.
And so I went down a rabbithole of learning about the
subconscious mind and personalgrowth and deciding that I had
to become the best version of me.
I had to.
These kids had to know thatthey were enough and they only
had me to look at.
And so I started to reallystudy the subconscious mind and
(06:10):
the laws of the universe and therules of the mind.
Cassandra (06:19):
And then I came across this training for rapid
transformational therapy, whichis what I do now the
hypnotherapy.
Let me ask you, Chloe, realquick have you gone to medical
school yet?
That's all this before, yeah.
Chloe (06:27):
So I had gone to medical school and then and qualified as
a dentist because I just so.
I grew up with a dad who was,like you will be a doctor or a
lawyer, and so I had my choicetaken away from me and actually
when I went to the subconsciousroot cause of the depression,
from me, and actually when Iwent to the subconscious root
(06:48):
cause of the depression, Irealized that it was because of
that story I was hearing all thetime.
The child in me, my innerchildhood, concluded there's
something wrong with you becausehe needs you to be this in
order for you to be significant.
And so I concluded that I wasbad.
There was something innatelywrong with me, because I'd hear
him say to my sister well,you're going to be an actress,
you could be this, you can'thave the choice.
(07:09):
And so and this is what we do,you know, we take on 95% of our
beliefs by the time we're sevenyears old and that is our
blueprint and theirmisperceptions of a child.
Right their conclusions a childcannot think that their pair,
you know they don't have alogical critical factor
developed by them, so they'rejust concluding all the time.
(07:30):
So trauma is not just what wasdone to you.
Trauma is what wasn't done toyou.
You weren't lovedunconditionally, or you didn't
feel that you were lovedunconditionally.
And as a highly sensitiveperson, which one in four of us
is, and you see, that's, that'swhat is genetic, this highly
sensitive person's gene, andthis goes across a hundred
(07:52):
species, even fruit flies, andin evolutionary terms there's,
you know, there's pros and consto both.
One is not more superior thanthe other, but if you are a
highly sensitive person, youprocess things deeply and you're
more susceptible to theselimiting beliefs, these trauma
imprints.
And actually just learningabout the highly sensitive
(08:15):
person is really validating.
I ask my patients, my clients,to read about that, because it's
very validating.
You can understand yourselfdeeply.
Cassandra (08:27):
So do you think you know, and I'm glad we're talking
about this, because depressionwas always, for many years,
taboo and in some instances itstill is, and people do not like
to talk about it or admit it.
So what you're saying isbecause you ruminated a lot on
things, because of yoursensitivity in regard to your
(08:48):
relationship and then your yourstinking thinking.
As a child, you know, forexample, my dad wanted me to be
a doctor, lawyer, but peopletold me what I was going to be.
Yet I never had a.
I never really thought.
I thought about what I wantedto be, but I thought I couldn't,
because that's not what I wastold.
(09:08):
Do you think it's it's yourthinking that causes that
depression if you think about itlong enough, or is it something
chemically in the brain?
Chloe (09:19):
so I will talk about depression all day long with you
, cassandra, because that's myreality, is depression, and when
you've worked with hundreds andhundreds of people for the same
thing, you start to see apattern in the subconscious
blueprint.
So I can tell you the typicalbeliefs under depression for
anger, for anxiety.
So with depression, thatserotonin model was never proven
(09:43):
, it was just a hypothesis thatwas never proven.
But of course it suits bigproblem to carry on promoting
that.
With depression, it's theultimate rejection of self and
it is a belief you know, like ifyou grew up with parents not
being able to attune to you, notbeing it.
So my story was my story.
(10:04):
That's personal.
But I formed the belief that Iwas bad, there was something
innately wrong with me.
And this is what happens thesepeople, these children, these
young children, because nobodycould attune to them when they
were in a moment of need, that'syou know.
Parents went.
If you don't stop crying, I'mgoing to give you something to
cry about inclusion of the child.
(10:27):
There's something wrong with me.
I'm bad, I'm wrong, I'minnately wrong and so this is.
These are the subconsciousbeliefs beneath the depression,
and depression is a freezeresponse.
So when we're talking about thenervous system, we have fight
or flight.
Let's say that's the light infight flight.
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You will find anxiety, you willfind rage, anger, which is
really typical in pmdd.
And then, when you reach yourthreshold of fight or flight,
your nervous system comes toprotect you further because you
can't be in that state for toolong and you go into freeze
response.
Here you will find thedepression, you will find
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dissociation and it's just yournervous system protecting you
and moving you into this newstate of survival.
Um, because of your perception,your perception of danger right
, and the perception comes fromyour subconscious blueprint I am
perceiving that I may berejected.
(11:30):
As humans, we have to belong tosurvive.
That's number one.
We have to belong in order tosurvive.
A human child cannot survivewithout the parents, without the
caregivers keeping them alive.
So it's our priority to survive.
In order to survive, we need tobelong.
We need to be the good girl.
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We need to, because that's howwe parent conditionally.
Oh, if I'm a good girl, then Ifeel loved.
If I don't do that, then I feelrejected.
I must never do that again.
We're being programmed all thetime.
Cassandra (12:17):
OK, so so trauma is just not about assault or trauma
is a sounds like.
It's a lot of things you knowwhen you talk about like what,
like, what is your definition oftrauma?
Trauma is something that canhappen in your childhood.
Or explain how you definetrauma, because I think people
see it differently.
Some people do.
Chloe (12:33):
Yeah, I, yeah.
Well, because the general, thegeneral, the general
understanding is those thingsthat we call big T trauma,
things that happen to you, thatshouldn't have happened to you.
I'm not really comfortable withcategorizing trauma as big T
and small T.
So trauma in Greek means wound,and the thing is we all have
(13:01):
different sensitivities, we havea different capacity from one
another to hold certain certainevents.
So the trauma is not the event.
Actually that could be thattraumatic event.
The trauma is what occurs inthe body, it's the, the, the
glitch in the nervous system,the glitch in your subconscious
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blueprint.
So you're being splintered fromyour wholeness.
You're forming these limitingbeliefs, these lies about
yourself, like I don't matter,I'm not significant, I must
never trust myself again, I'mnot safe.
And a child, because a child is.
So in the present moment, theytag every belief with and it
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will always be this way.
And so we go through life untilwe do this work and we
absolutely rectify the blueprintto the truth and that's
changing.
We're actually just kind offree-falling through life, not
understanding why things are nothappening for us, getting in
(14:07):
our own way, because we'refunctioning on software that you
created in your formative yearswith with your child's mind, um
, and you know when, I do thinkthat it mostly comes from
childhood.
Of course we can have traumaticevents in adulthood, but I think
that how you react to thatdepends on your childhood
(14:30):
programming.
If you look at soldiers thatcome back from war, 20% of them
come back with PTSD.
Now that makes me think thatthose 20% perhaps had childhood
trauma that exacerbated.
The system is perceiving that.
Cassandra (14:48):
Yeah, yeah, so, okay.
So let's talk about theperimenopause.
What's the difference?
Now, as women, many of us knowabout the menopause.
(15:09):
If you've not been there,you're going to go, so let's
talk about what PMDD.
I said what it was, but whatdoes that mean?
Premenstrual dysphoric disorderversus perimenopause?
Chloe (15:25):
So premenstrual dysphoric disorder is like PMS on
steroids, so I mean it'sexperienced differently by each
woman, actually, and you don'thave to have a diagnosis to do
this work.
You know, I didn't even know Ihad it and most people don't,
(15:45):
and some.
I realized that a lot of myclients were coming to me and
saying I don't know if this isPMDD or it's the perimenopause.
My answer to that is it justdoesn't matter.
You've got symptoms that youwant to be free of.
If you go to the subconsciousroot, of it and then they were
saying, when they were comingout of my signature program, why
(16:07):
don't you do a program forperimenopause?
And I'm like, well it's, itdoesn't matter, it's the same
work.
So my program wounds into wingsis for depression,
perimenopause and pmdd.
So with pmdd for me, forinstance, now I know what it is.
I learned about it in mytraining because there was a
master class on it from anothergraduate who had discovered that
(16:31):
she healed herself in hertraining by having sessions on
herself.
And I watched this master classand I was like, oh, oh, my God,
that's what I had from being 14years old, from the onset of
menstruation, I had it.
Now it's not the same foreverybody.
Some women have it just come tothem when they're, you know,
(16:51):
after childbirth, they startexperiencing it, or they
experience it later in life.
Now I just see it as a callingto expand your potential right.
It's a calling to heal the pastthat is keeping you stuck.
The PMDD is the calling you'resaying I mean any of these
(17:12):
diseases, these disorders thatwe can improve.
Uh-huh, uh-huh disease, right,okay, yeah, disease in your body
.
It's like huh, you know yourbody is saying no, your body is
trying to get your attention ifit's trying to get you to look
at it, and so that's how I seeit.
Now, with pmdd, it's horrendous, you know we have the symptoms
(17:35):
are um suicide ideation, um,complete, um shutdown.
Women can't hold down a jobbecause of this.
They can't keep relationships,marriages end because of it.
Because it's like jacqueline,it's like they've been possessed
, and it's horrendous becausefor half a month they're not
(17:56):
them.
And these women tend to be themost empathetic, the most
creative, caring women andthey're experiencing this and
and it's.
And when they do this work andthey let go of those symptoms
and they replace those glitchesin their subconscious with the
truth about them, the new,empowering opposites, the whole
(18:19):
life starts to change you knowthis is what you know.
This is why I call it woundsinto wings now, because it
wasn't always that, because itwasn't just feeling their wings,
they were transforming theirrelationships, they were getting
pain rises, they were creatingmagic with their lives, um up
with with ideas.
(18:39):
But you know one lady I justfinished working with.
She was working in a bar when Istarted working with her at the
beginning of my eight-weekprogram.
When she came out, she alreadyhad a business idea to be, um,
you know, to do landscaping andgarden architecture, and it was
like that's what, that's whatmade her, that's what lit her up
.
But she'd never given herselfpermission to have what she
(19:03):
desired, because it wasn't.
The beliefs were what I wantdoesn't matter, it's not
important, and these arechildhood beliefs that are
keeping us stuck and yoursubconscious mind will show you
whatever we go to.
The symptom of yoursubconscious mind absolutely has
the answer and the problem isyour subconscious mind is
running the show.
It's running all the processesof your subconscious mind.
Absolutely has the answer andthe problem is your subconscious
mind is running the show, it'srunning all the processes in
(19:24):
your body and you're runningfrom your subconscious mind.
95, it's your autopilot, so youcan consciously desire
something, but if yoursubconscious programming says
something else, the mind can'thold conflicting beliefs.
It's not going to happen.
Cassandra (19:46):
So the subconscious could say I'm not good enough,
right, because of what somebodysaid to me back in my childhood.
Or the subconscious mind cansay you know I'll never be this,
because my mom says you'llnever be nothing.
You know, I hear I've actuallyheard individuals arguing with
their children and say you,stupid somebody.
I mean just crazy stuff thatthey'll say and I'm not quite
(20:08):
sure if they understand theimpact that they will have as
they get older.
And because we're just talking,I know what hormones.
Hormones are powerful.
Let's talk about hormones andwe all have the men have them
too, but ours, what is that?
(20:28):
The estrogen, the progesterone,the testosterone, why are they
so powerful?
Chloe (20:37):
Well, you know, we women are cyclical beings but we live
in a man's world and we areexpected to be, you know, doing,
do it.
And also when we become mothersas well, because mothering is a
masculine energy Right.
We're women and we've kind ofabandoned the very fact that we
have cyclical needs and throughthe month we need to be honoring
(21:01):
those needs.
They're seasons of a month andwe have to really honor that and
understand that when thatluteal phase comes, that shift
in hormones is causing us tolook inward to do some
inspection.
It's like the assessment modeand when you have these glitches
(21:23):
in your subconscious mind,you're faced to look, you're
faced to feel, because yoursubconscious mind is the feeling
mind.
All of your emotions and yourfeelings come from the
subconscious mind.
Emotion overrides logic everytime.
And so when you're in yourluteal phase and you're going
(21:44):
inward because this is the timewhere you're supposed to
reassess and grow and look wherewe need to make changes in our
lives, but society doesn't, it'snot conducive to that I think
we're changing this now.
I think we're waking up to thefact that we have to honour our
cyclical ways and look afterourselves.
(22:06):
But this time of introspectionand this time of going inwards
into assessment mode, whenyou're faced with it's like a
truth serum this hormone shift.
It's like lifting the veil onyour past pain, on your past
trauma that needs to beoptimized, it needs to be
(22:27):
transformed and it's showing you, showing you that we're like
hating on our hormones becausewe've been programmed to hate on
our hormones and programmed,you know, need to keep going,
need to keep doing, um, in avery masculine way.
So actually we are very magicalbeings.
(22:47):
I believe we have immense powerand we are we've kind of had
that taken away from us um, thatthat little secret, that
actually you know the pain thatcomes, the feelings that come up
in those days.
You need to look at those.
What's that about?
Because that you need totransform that.
(23:09):
You need to look at the root ofthat and then turn it on its
head because it's not true andyou can change.
You can absolutely swap that,reframe that limiting belief,
but it's showing you.
Cassandra (23:23):
Okay, okay.
Are there quizzes or tests toshow whether you have PMDD?
How does the individual knowthey have PMDD or, like you said
, perimenopause, even though yousaid they're kind of the same
(23:44):
thing?
Chloe (23:48):
Well, I mean, yeah, with the perimenopause, I guess you
would.
I mean it really, for me, forthe work that I do, it really
doesn't matter, but you can gethormone.
You can get your hormoneschecked.
I'm hearing, though, that it'sreally challenging to get a test
for your hormones, and actually, as far as I'm concerned, it
really doesn't matter.
(24:09):
We just need to get to the rootof this stuff that's coming up
for you.
So, with the PMDD, a bit likeany other issue, there's a list
of symptoms, and you would tickoff yeah, I'm suffering with
that.
Yeah, I'm suffering with rain,I'm suffering.
You know, people in in in yourrelationships in those days,
people tend to get feel kind ofconfused about their feelings
(24:34):
towards their partner.
They don't want to be touched,they want to isolate.
Um, they, it's like a waragainst yourself.
Well, it actually is.
You're going inwards and you'reseeing all these horrible or
experiencing these horrendousbeliefs about yourself, that
you're wrong, you're bad, thatyou're not safe, and the
(24:58):
relationship issue I mean that'sthat goes back, goes back to
you know, how you felt, how safeyou felt around your caregivers
, right, and when you're in yourmost sensitive days and all
this stuff is coming to thesurface.
The safest thing for you to do,naturally, is isolate, so
there's nothing wrong with you.
(25:18):
It's just a healthy response towhat you're experiencing.
But it's still alive in yourbody and it doesn't have to be.
We can get to the root of it,we can transform it and you set
yourself free and you understand, because I don't only do the
transformational hypnotherapy,we also do polyvagal work to
reshape your nervous system.
(25:38):
We learn cognitive psychologyto get in control of your
thoughts, and positivepsychology.
So we're doing the consciouswork and the subconscious work.
Really, you know, understandhow your brilliant organism is
working for you and to continueusing these tools as a way of
(25:59):
being in your life.
Cassandra (26:00):
Yeah, and I like when you said there's nothing wrong
with you, you know how, you know.
I remember, you know, and I, asI mentioned before we started
how I went through menopause inmy late thirties and I was
devastated Like what in the why,why, why, why, why am I so
(26:21):
young?
And because I always hear aboutit when people are, I don't
know 40, 50, 60s and I'm like,wow, what, what is going on with
that?
And so it's kind of like, it'slike I did think something was
wrong, you know, and for them tosay it, I'm like, oh my gosh,
(26:43):
what happened to me?
Why am I like that?
And then I go introspectivelylike, maybe because I did this,
or maybe because I worried a lotand my hormones trickle, or
just something it always has tobe.
If it's not going the way wewant it, or or whether we can't
control it, we think something'swrong that's it.
Chloe (27:03):
Yeah, right, and this is why understanding how your
organism works is so important.
The nervous system work, thepolyvagal work, because what we
do is because of this frontalcortex, the neocortex.
When we experience a stressresponse like fight or flight,
we start to judge it.
We start to judge it, we fearit, which then it increment, it
(27:26):
makes it worse the anxiety.
We drive ourselves into a panicattack because we're not
understanding.
Oh, this is my nervous systemperceiving there's danger.
Now, what am I perceiving?
Fear of judgment.
Well, I validate me.
I'm not a dependent childanymore, right?
So when we can understand thesubconscious programming because
we've made it conscious and wecould we have the tools to bring
(27:47):
our nervous system back tohomeostasis and understand.
Actually, our nervous system isalways working for us, not
against us, and we have, youknow, our emotions, our
behaviors, what we'reexperiencing.
This is changing yourphysiology every moment in the
(28:08):
day.
You know your genes areswitching on and off according
to what you need, every momentin the day, according.
This is epigenetics, and soyour reactions to things are
going to change your hormone,your hormonal levels in your
body.
That's just how it is, becauseyour body's incredibly
intelligent.
(28:28):
Ah, I need to adapt to thissituation.
I mean, that's what thesetrauma imprints are.
Right, they're adaptations tothe environment, just like when
a plant is short of, let's say'ssay, copper, its leaves will go
yellow in order to survive.
It's adapting to itsenvironment, just as we have to
(28:49):
do, and our nervous system andour and our cells are incredibly
intelligent and thesubconscious mind is running the
show, so it's understanding.
Understanding is power andunderstanding what you can do,
what tools you can pull from,and really, just looking like
anytime, I have something I'mlike.
This feeling's been here for afew days now and I don't know
(29:11):
what this is.
I'm gonna have a session, I'mgonna get to the subconscious
root of it and I'm gonnaalchemize it because I know it's
the next level of growth, it'smy next level of expansion and
this is what we're here for.
We're here to evolve.
Sadly, the human species isde-evolving, but we, we've got
to do the work.
We've got to do the work for usand you know, we've only got
(29:34):
one.
We've only got one life in this, in this body, and so we've got
to make the most of it and andthat was my thing in that moment
on the green sofa I've got tobecome the best version of me.
I've got to find my purpose.
Um, if not, if not for me, forthem, because they depend on me,
right?
Cassandra (29:54):
right.
So it sounds like you got to apoint where enough is enough.
You know, it's like I'm sick ofthis and sometimes I believe
that's what it takes.
And even when I think aboutwhat I've gone through and
thinking about my book and youknow my emotions and why it took
(30:14):
me so long to write the bookI'm like, okay, I'm sick and
tired of feeling like I'mfeeling, so it's time for me to
get help.
And when I say help, what I didwas went on a self-discovery
journey.
Okay, because I'm not sure whatit is that I need, you know.
But it's just like thisparticular podcast, my listeners
(30:37):
there's some listeners outthere struggling or either have
some friends that are strugglinglike you know what?
Maybe I do have PMDD, you know.
Oh, yeah, I am depressed, oryeah, I'm going to go to the
doctor and get someantidepressants, you know.
And so the work that you dodoes it mitigate having
(31:00):
antidepressants or not?
Or you think, because I want tohear the tools you use to help
people get out of their self orget out of their way, to start
living their full potential.
So what are your tools?
And do you believe inantidepressants or is it both?
Chloe (31:24):
well, you know I have my.
I was put on antidepressants at17 and you know I'm not against
them in that they can belife-saving when you're really
rock bottom.
But that for me is like puttingearplugs in right where it's
like earplugs in and notactually extracting the wisdom
from what you're being shown.
(31:45):
Um, many women I work with sayI, I just can't be on these
antidepressants anymore.
I, I feel numb, um, I have nosex drive.
Um, I just I have to dosomething.
I can't be on them anymore.
And my point is, with the workthat we do, this work makes them
(32:05):
futile.
I mean, the point is to do thiswork and it's rapid and it is
super effective, and this islike turning your wounds into
wings and so it's to make themunnecessary.
I mean my, my mum, for instance, she was on antidepressants.
She had an RTT session with me.
(32:25):
Never again she's, she's.
You know, and this is this ismy own mom and I'm working with
hundreds of women.
My mom, bless her, she was onantidepressants for most of her
life and struggling.
So I'm not here to say toanybody right now now we've done
the session, you can come offthe antidepressants right,
(32:47):
something you work with withyour doctor to wean yourself off
them if that's what you want todo.
But my, my, my point is thatthe work that we do makes just
makes them unnecessary.
Actually, because we've gone tothe subconscious route and in
one session you can be free fromdepression.
It's, it's, you get to go inthere, in, like this hip, the
(33:09):
hypnotic brain states that, bythe way, are a completely
natural brain state that you arein and out of every day.
Because a lot of people worryabout the hypnosis thing,
because, well, we've grown upwatching stage hypnotists making
you cluck like a chicken andbark like a dog and do things
that you wouldn't normally do.
So people think I'm going to beout of control.
It's just like a meditation.
(33:31):
You're just more in control,you're more aware, you can
access.
You can access memories thatmaybe you couldn't access with
your, with your conscious mind.
Some people go to the womb,some people go to being born,
some people access memories thatthey'd completely forgotten.
And whatever your subconsciousmind shows you, that's
(33:52):
absolutely what you need to lookat and we will.
You go back.
So the first thing we do inthis two-hour session is
regression.
So you'll go back.
Your subconscious mind willshow you three or four scenes
from your childhood that thatthey're absolutely to do with,
with the root cause, and youwill, and through that
regression I extract the beliefs.
(34:14):
What's the feeling?
You know, I'm seven years old,I'm sitting on the porch and I'm
feeling shame, I'm feeling bad,I'm believing that nobody loves
me.
That must mean that I'munlovable, I'm unlikable.
These beliefs, and so, andacross those three, four scenes
that you could, that yoursubconscious mind shows us, you
(34:37):
get to see the collection, theparadigm, the, the set of
beliefs that have been runningthe show.
And so, for the rest of thosetwo hours, we do all the
reframing, we do the inner childwork.
And doing this work in hypnoticbrain states is so powerful
because it's like going intothis portal of infinite
(34:59):
resources portal of infiniteresources and it's really quite
spiritual as well and justreconnecting with yourself and
accepting yourself as lovable,as likable, as more than enough,
and realize that was always thetruth.
Cassandra (35:16):
So this approach to hypnotherapy is the approach
that enables your patients tobreak free Absolutely.
Yeah, okay, all right, have youever gone through?
And you say your sessions areabout two hours?
Right, and and what you saidabout your mom or another
(35:37):
patient?
Like, you can go through asession and you'll be done,
right, but then some people maytake longer, is that correct?
More than two hours, and theyhave to come back another day
and redo this again.
Chloe (35:53):
So my sessions are two hours long, but after that
session you will go away with a15 minute recording with all the
new empowering beliefspertinent to that session and
you must listen to that for 21to 30 days.
Every day when you go to bedyou'll do the self-hypnosis to
rewire the subconscious mind.
(36:15):
Because the mind learns in twoways in hypnotic brain states
and by repetition.
Children are in brain statesuntil.
By repetition, children are inhypnotic brain states until
they're seven years old they arein hypnotic brain states.
That's why they absorb thingslike sponges, and so that's how
the mind learns.
So I go.
I use one session per symptom.
(36:36):
So normally if somebody comesto me with depression and
anxiety, I go right, we're goingto go to the root cause of the
depression.
I want to get you out of freezeresponse first.
So we go to the root cause ofthe depression and after, after
that session, it's just sodifferent for them and I would
say after a day or two theyalready feel free.
(36:59):
The depression has gone, butthey're still listening to the
recording and they're stilllistening to the recording and
they're still you workingthrough the conscious lessons
that I provide them in myprogram.
And then, at the end of thosethree or four weeks we move on
to the second session.
So they have all of those daysconsolidate the new learnings
and consolidate and then, wehave to move into whatever's
(37:24):
left.
So I don't often say, well, well, for the second session we'll
do anxiety, because we don'tknow, the anxiety might also be
gone with that first session.
So we just see what's left.
Sometimes people say, do youknow what?
I don't know what to work on.
I mean, that's 5% of people Idon't know what to work on.
(37:46):
I go's five percent of people Idon't know what to work on.
Okay, well, let's work onabundance blocks, let's work on
life purpose, you know.
But normally what we do is wego to a fight or flight symptom,
like rage like anxiety and thenwe can get you out of the fight
or flight.
And then again they get a newrecording with the beliefs
pertinent to that session thatneed to replace the old ones
that we pulled out with thereframing and the inner child
work.
So then they listen to that newrecording for another three to
(38:10):
four weeks and by the end of theprogram they say I'm worried
that this isn't going to last.
Oh yeah, I was going to askthat they go.
I'm worried if this feels toogood to be true, I'm worried
it's not going to last.
And I say this is just thebeginning of a whole new way of
being, because now we're goingto build and build and build.
(38:32):
With the tools that you haveJust keep expanding
exponentially.
I mean it's mad, being on thisjourney, how quickly we're
growing exponentially.
Cassandra (38:43):
I mean it's mad, being on this journey, how
quickly we're growing.
Wow, this is like it's like itcould be a miracle.
I mean, if you think aboutthere's.
So what did they say?
Is it one in 10 individualsthat are on antidepressants?
I mean it's huge of individualsthat are on that.
So if they knew about Chloe andthe work that you do, it's like
(39:07):
well, why don't more peopleknow about you?
Or either you're going to say,well, that's why I'm doing all
these podcasts, and then I readsome information.
You have a lot of testimonialsof individuals that have worked
with you that talk about howmuch better their life is, that
they are actually reaching whatthey believe their full
potential.
(39:27):
You've even said that they canbecome a magnet for happy and
good relationships, and even ifthey're suffering from hormones.
So this approach you have.
You know how individuals willsee somebody and say something
about you.
You know it's like I don't knowwhat it is, but I feel like I'm
(39:50):
drawn to you.
I've had people say that it'sjust something, and then, you
know, I've even heard doctorssay, when your estrogen levels
are up, you more.
You know, I've heard thatbefore like really, you know, um
, but what you say, is theybecome a magnet um loving
relationships, harmonious lovingrelationships.
(40:12):
So this approach also.
Once they're somewhat clearedfrom this, they attract who they
are.
Chloe (40:23):
Tell us about that.
Yes, Cassandra, I actually endedup becoming a narcissistic
abuse specialist because I wasseeing the pattern, these
beautiful souls that were comingto me with all these horrible
limiting beliefs and traumaimprints.
They also had been attractingtoxic relationships.
(40:44):
And of course, why do weattract these toxic partners?
Because of the childhoodbeliefs we have about ourselves.
So it's no coincidence, it's weare.
You know, what we believe tendsto be realized, and so we do
become a magnet for people thatyou know benefit from our
(41:07):
limiting beliefs.
So when you transform I meanimagine if you've got beliefs
like I don't matter, what I wantdoesn't matter, I'm unlovable
what kind of relationship areyou going to tolerate?
And so when you turn thosebeliefs on their head and you're
(41:31):
showing up like my God, there'snothing I have to do to be
lovable.
Actually, I was born lovable.
I'm enough, I'm enough.
I'm not going to tolerate oreven be interested or look at
anybody who thinks less of youthan you do.
And so it's only natural thatyou start manifesting all of
(41:53):
these amazing things in yourlife that you hadn't even dreamt
were possible.
It goes down to the blueprint,the subconscious blueprint.
Cassandra (42:05):
Right, and I hear a lot about generational curses.
You know I've talked to peopleto say, well, my mom, always my
mom, had had had a child whenshe was 17, and so did her mom
and then so did her mom.
You know, it's like so we'rejust cursing, it's like like
it's it's okay because that'show my family is.
But if it, like you're saying,if this is what you believe, I
(42:25):
think I saw something you saidif you your, your, your, what
did you say?
Your thoughts you had a sayingwas reading.
What was that saying about howyou feel?
Chloe (42:37):
if you do this, say that say that your beliefs create
your thoughts.
Your thoughts create yourfeelings, and your feelings
dictate the behavior, theydictate the action you take, and
that creates your personalreality.
You've got to go to the root.
It's the beginning.
Cassandra (42:57):
It's not the beliefs.
That's so good.
Everyone.
That's Max.
A lot of my listeners knowabout Max, my little puppy Max.
You're going to get my puppygirl.
Oh my gosh, he was so good andhe's not even in the room.
He just wants you to know he'shere.
(43:23):
Yeah, yeah, gosh he was so goodand he's not even in the room.
He's just want you to know he'shere, yeah, yeah, and talking
about you know, like my mom, forinstance, I noticed my mom, she
has a belief that life is hard.
Right, I'm sorry?
Oh my gosh, okay, and that'syour mom.
Chloe (43:37):
And I get really frustrated with that because I'm
like you know that's a beliefand beliefs are yours to change.
You can carry on believing thatit has that life is hard, but
I'm not taking that on, I'mletting that go.
I'm choosing that everything isdoable, that everything comes
to serve me and that you knowthere's growth from everything.
You know life's, the nature oflife, is to challenge us.
(44:00):
Our job is to grow from it.
Yeah, life, its nature is to isto challenge.
That's it, and our job is tojust grow from it.
So, yeah, to hold more andactually do the nervous system
work, so that our nervous systemis not going into a
(44:21):
physiological state that isgoing to create illness wow,
that's amazing stress state.
I was like, oh my goodness, thepathways that I am activating
physiologically are going tocreate illness like this is how
illness is caused.
(44:41):
I have to take control of myactions and my thoughts.
How do I do that?
I've got to change the beliefsystem right, excellent, right,
excellent, excellent, wow.
Cassandra (44:53):
This conversation was awesome.
It certainly provides mylisteners insights on why they
are stuck.
I mean, it could be differentthings, however, but just think
you know, are they?
Are they having these symptoms?
You talked about the depression.
I'm not good enough all thisthought patterns.
(45:14):
Or are they in the menopausalstage or the pre-menopausal
stage?
And, like we said in thebeginning, what you may not have
known about, pmdd orperimenopause, as you indicated,
it's one and the same.
I mean, let's just you know,it's kind of like when they talk
(45:37):
about dementia and what's it,and the doctor said well, to me
it's the same as an umbrella,you know well, you know, trying
to figure out do they havedementia?
And then it's called somethingelse.
And then they said, well, it'sall the same.
Chloe (45:55):
Yeah, I mean, I don mean the labels are useful, they can
feel validating, but I for me,with the work that I do, doesn't
matter.
We're working for the rootcause of the symptom and you
know, perimenopause is showingyou you're, you're being shown,
you know those, those months oryears running up to the
menopause, you're being shownwhat you need to alchemize, what
you need to look at in order toexpand and and really you know
(46:21):
be who you're meant to be.
It's screaming out.
So pmdd is pms on steroids.
You can have it from yourperiod, perimenopause symptoms
that obviously show up in themonths running up to the
menopause, in the years.
So it really doesn't matter.
You know we, we go to the rootcause of I mean, I worked with
(46:41):
breast cancer we go to theemotional root cause of whatever
you are struggling with and wejust transform the subconscious
blueprint.
So, yeah, you don't need a, youdon't.
You don't need um the label,because your feelings are the
most real thing you have.
You're a human, your feelingsare real.
(47:02):
You don't need a doctor to say,oh well, you've got this, how's
that useful so that they cangive you a pill.
But that's benefiting who?
Cassandra (47:12):
yes, yeah, right yeah , so we have to be careful what
we're thinking right with ourpast and um our blinders that we
have on the things that peopletold us, those limiting beliefs
and all of that.
Chloe (47:26):
Wow and we're not even conscious of them.
Actually, that's the thing.
And you actually spoke aboutrumination.
So, yeah, the rumination tendsto take us deeper into the
depression, ruminating overthings we do that don't we cause
shame.
Oh, I shouldn't have said that.
Oh, I shouldn't have done that.
The rumination, and then theanxiety, typically is worrying
(47:50):
about what could happen, aboutthe future, but those thoughts
come from a subconsciousblueprint about your safety in
this world.
Cassandra (48:03):
That's wonderful, Wonderful Boy.
How can my listeners get intouch with you?
Chloe (48:10):
Well, instagram.
I am on Instagram and if youwould like to come and have a
chat with me, I offer 15 minutefree discovery calls where we
can start to map out yourhealing journey.
So you can book that call viamy website into wingscom Um, and
(48:38):
you can DM me on Instagram Ifyou're feeling ready to to start
this amazing transformationalwork and become the best you
rapidly getting to the root.
Cause me on Instagram and booka call with me.
I'd be delighted.
Cassandra (48:57):
Wow, you were great.
I definitely know what PMDDmeans and the perimenopause and
I'm getting a betterunderstanding in regards to our
nervous system and our thinking,and I think many of us already
(49:17):
know that our thoughts have somuch to do with what's going on
in our lives.
It's just that many of us don'twant to do the work, and you
didn't get like this yesterday,so don't think you're going to
get out of it tomorrow.
You know, because we're a quick, like a microwave society, we
want it right now, but yet oneof these things these podcasts
(49:40):
have been doing is providingresources and giving individuals
insight and another way ofthinking about things.
You know, it opens them up towhat's really out here in the
world, and it's their decision.
I think having your choice is agift to me.
So it's their decision towhether this is the route they
want to go in, because Idefinitely believe that we're
(50:05):
all here for a reason, and it'stough to figure out what the
reason is when you're stuck, youknow, like I just can't get out
of this cycle that I'm in.
I can't even think straight, Ican't even focus and, based on
the work that you do, you aredefinitely a resource.
I see you as a blessing forthose who are open and want to
(50:26):
get better.
I would say so.
I'd like to thank you, mylisteners, I know you've enjoyed
this and I ask that if you havefriends, family, acquaintances
that you know, this wouldresonate with them and it could
be a blessing to them.
Please share it, please sharethis podcast with them.
(50:46):
It's also going to be on everypodcast platform and I just want
to thank Chloe for being on mypodcast.
It's just great.
And for my listeners, I alwayssay bye for now.
God bless you, and also listento this podcast more than once.
It's okay to get it in yourpsyche and hear it over and over
(51:10):
, again, again, because I'mcertain it'll be a blessing.
And, chloe, I have to say byefor now.
And again, thank you so muchfor being a guest on my podcast.
Is your way, in your way.
Thank you, chloe.
Chloe (51:25):
Thank you, Cassandra Bye.
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