January 11, 2024 • 32 mins
We're cracking open the HR playbook with a fresh twist this new year, and you're invited to join the revelry! Imagine kicking off your workday with a bit of laughter - that's what CeCe and I, Warren, aim to inject into your HR conundrums. From the comedy of unread emails to the chaos of performance reviews, we're spilling the tea on all things human resources. While sipping on our coffee, we reflect on the quirky side of workplace resolutions, or the lack thereof, and share our aspirations for a morning routine that doesn't start with hitting snooze.
Ever wondered how TikTok lingo might influence your office vibe? This episode is your backstage pass to the latest cultural shifts making waves from the boardroom to the break room. We mull over 'Vibe Sessions,' debate the merits of 'Bare Minimum Mondays,' and chuckle at the notion of 'Loud Quitting,' all while sharing tales from the HR trenches. Our personal stories weave through these discussions, offering you insights and laughter as we tackle the trends reshaping our work lives.
To cap it off, we're navigating the remote work waters, contemplating the hybrid model, and the curious case of 'coffee badging.' Plus, we explore the jarring feeling of 'shift shock' with a nod to our own experiences. Setting the pace for the year, we're switching to a bi-weekly recording rhythm and sending out a big thank you to our Patreon heroes, Hallie and Bill. Whether you're deep in the HR game or simply craving a fresh angle on office life, CeCe and I have got your back for another year of surviving—and thriving—in HR.
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Andrew Quilpa (00:02):
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that the podcast you are aboutto listen to could contain
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present or future employers.
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(00:23):
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Welcome to our little safe zone.
Welcome to JDDHR.
Warren (00:46):
Welcome to JDDHR, the podcast by two HR professionals
who want to help you get throughto work day by saying all the
things you're thinking, but saythem out loud.
I'm Warren.
Cee Cee (00:55):
I'm CeCe.
Warren (00:57):
All right, we have now our third co-host.
Feathers is still around butnot able to make it today.
We're recording on a wildschedule.
We were supposed to recordyesterday but those wonderful
storms knocked out myelectricity.
I'd go like 45 minutes withelectricity and then go out for
two minutes.
With the internet it takes like10 minutes to get going again.
(01:18):
It was a crazy one yesterday.
Happy New Year.
Cee Cee (01:27):
I'm already exhausted, yeah.
Warren (01:31):
Well, you would talk to offline about what you're going
through at work.
We just finished up our inwardviews, we are heading into open
enrollment and we have someother things going on.
It's just oh, and my recruiterson maternity leave, so I'm
picking up that slack.
So it's just like.
Sure, let's all do it all atthe same time, but it's all good
(01:51):
, it's fun, I'm enjoying it.
Cee Cee (01:54):
Nice, we're getting up our performance reviews.
We just got done with ourtalent calibrations this week,
so now we're going intoperformance conversations and if
I get one more email asking mequestions that they could have
read I'd be I'm going to justthrow my computer out.
Warren (02:13):
That's the most frustrating thing.
We do all this.
People just think HR justthrows this shit up against the
wall and sees what sticks.
And we do a lot of planning.
We work together and come inwith some well-crafted emails
that supposedly answer everyquestion.
Oh, last year we got thisquestion five times.
You put all this all togetherand nobody read it.
Cee Cee (02:33):
Fun fact people don't read.
Warren (02:35):
Yeah, no, had you actually read the email?
Andrew Quilpa (02:39):
as.
Warren (02:39):
Andrew Culpa says in the opening line here on our thing
so yeah, it's a lot of fun, butyeah, yeah, yeah.
So do you have any HR NewYear's resolutions?
I was going to ask.
Cee Cee (02:53):
So I decided that I am not going to get better this
year.
I'm just going to let the yearget better because it's time for
the year to shape up On top ofthat, I'm pregnant, so I am
really going through.
I guess pregnancy brain is areal thing and my body and my
(03:14):
brain can only do so much.
So no, there are no resolutions.
Everything is my resolution.
Warren (03:21):
Back to 2020, the survival yeah, I don't do New
Year's resolutions.
I come up with a list ofprojects I want to get done and
I'll probably get three quartersof them actually done, but if
I'm lucky, I'll get threequarters.
We'll see how it.
Cee Cee (03:37):
I will say I am trying to get better at my morning
routines.
So if I can get up like I workfrom home 100%, so if I can get
up, wash my face and somewhatstyle my hair, it's a win.
So that's kind of just focusingon a really decent morning
(04:00):
routine.
Or I actually have a breakfastand yeah, like that's really
where I'm focusing on.
Warren (04:07):
Well, I said to myself I was going to be.
I go into the office Still.
I've never done work from home,except for rare occasions when
other things are going on.
But I said, oh, I'm going tostart coming to work at 8 30 in
the morning so I can leave alittle earlier.
So I normally come in at nineish and leave at 5 30 ish and
it's not nobody cares if it'snine or five or nine 15.
(04:29):
We don't care about that whereI work.
But yeah, since what?
January 2nd, I'm on the offerlist.
I have not made it to work at 831 time, despite my least best
efforts.
But I do want to.
That is something I want to doWell with.
With the new year comes a lot oflists, and so the show today.
(04:51):
I've got a couple lists I wantto talk about.
But this one, this first one,if you listen to the podcast a
lot, I spend a lot of my freetime on LinkedIn.
I like that time.
I want to explain this a littlebit.
You have that meeting at 11o'clock, but it's 1045.
I'm not gonna start somethingnew for 15 minutes.
I'll get on LinkedIn, cruisearound, read some articles and
(05:13):
things like that.
So I saw this on LinkedIn andI'll get to why.
How I saw it is.
I don't follow the author oranything like that, but the the
title was something along thelines of the top X podcast is.
I'm gonna be very vague becauseI don't want to give it any
credit where it's not doing.
I do also want to say this isnot a case of sour grapes, that
(05:33):
J2HR is not included on thislist, but I just thought it was.
Cee Cee (05:37):
That was my next question.
Warren (05:39):
No, we did not make the list, this list, but we did make
another one, which is actuallyincluded in this article.
But so, anyways, it's clickbaitfor me.
So I clicked on it and I readit and let's say they had their
title is the top number X numberpodcast and their image that
(05:59):
they chose for art was cover artfor a whole bunch of different
podcasts.
But five of those podcastsweren't even on that.
Their cover art was on.
Their graphic weren't even intheir list.
And then I went on.
I you know I'm a, I'm a completenerd about this.
When I went in on podcasting Iwent all in.
So I went down the ride, thatwhole of listen notes and they
(06:20):
that's a pretty independent waythat's publicly available to see
how podcasts are ranked interms of how long people listen
for, or I guess they call it thequality of listening or
something like that and thenyour rank of podcasts in all the
world.
But anyways, one of their theirtop was not even listed in a
list of notes.
(06:41):
Three they were listed but noteven ranked at all.
Three of them didn't even havea show in the past year and one
of them their last episode, wasin 20, they'd listed.
Churn podcast is one of theirtop podcasts and they have a
bunch of them.
One of them was pretty good.
Cee Cee (06:56):
I think the host I know it's talking about and you're
right, it was excellent and shedid sadly die.
Warren (07:01):
It was.
It's the only good one thatcame out of that churn thing.
But yeah, I forget the name ofthe host.
It's been been quite a fewyears probably before J did HR
started but the host passed awayand I think that just sort of
ended after that.
Or if it didn't end, I didn'tkeep listening.
One I would call HR Jason andthe other was not HR at all.
(07:21):
Another was not.
Cee Cee (07:23):
HR at all, really solid list.
Warren (07:26):
So, yeah, yeah, well, get this.
The author of the list is apodcast host and while he stated
his list is not in any order,his was conveniently ranked
number two and some of thethings he put behind his being
ranked number two.
The show has received hundredsof thousands of downloads and
ranks in feed spots top five HRpodcasts in the world based on
(07:47):
traffic, social media, followers, domain authority and freshness
.
Now, if you're not a podcastnerd, like I am, feed spot is
like the who's who of a podcastlist.
Basically, it's trying to sellyour information and they try
and get podcasts sponsored theirlists and do things like that.
(08:07):
It's really interesting.
By the way, j did HR.
Well, this podcast hosts there.
They were ranked number five onit.
We were ranked number 18, butright underneath the podcast
list it says buy the contactinformation of the hosts or
something like that.
So it's crazy.
But if you, if you went by,listen notes, j did HR blows
(08:31):
this podcast out of the water.
But anyways, going back to thearticle, it had caught nine
company links in 25 people linksand between all those links,
there has to be hundreds of,maybe even hundreds of thousands
of people that were that sawthis post because that's how I
found it.
Somebody I follow their namewas linked on it and that's how
(08:53):
it came up in my feed is.
I wouldn't have seen itotherwise.
I think that's all they weretrying to do and put
conveniently put their hosts.
So I think next year I'm goingto do my list of top pod HR
podcasts, and J did.
Cee Cee (09:05):
Hr is number one, I'm telling you right now, already,
let's do it, let's do ittomorrow, let's do it tomorrow.
Warren (09:14):
The number one podcast for January 10 is J H R.
Next tomorrow Do another one.
I love it.
That number one HR podcast is Jdid HR, but one out of one.
Cee Cee (09:24):
It's a one, the one list or the one podcast you
should listen to.
J did HR.
Warren (09:32):
It's just sort of funny.
But changing subject, signedkind of this is more on the list
.
Since day one of J did HR,we've been inundated with these
stupid terms for the people areusing.
You know, going back to, itseemed to get worse over COVID
(09:52):
and it just doesn't seem to getbetter anymore and all let's see
.
This first article comes fromSarah Braggle, from Fast Company
and Vibe Session zombie, zombiebrand, lazy girl job the
business jargon that defined2023.
So I've heard of a few of thesefor these terms, but I found
(10:16):
this through an HR articlesomehow.
But anyways, I haven't heard ofa lot of these terms and so I
don't think they're that big.
The number one on her list isVibe Session, which was
apparently coined by a TikToker,meaning that the recession was
being more or less shaped by howpeople are feeling versus.
(10:37):
It's an astute observationabout the power of vibes.
So you feel like the economysucks.
Cee Cee (10:44):
So you're in a Vibe Session, but Okay, so it's like
a play on recession, then isthat what we're doing, okay?
Warren (10:52):
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking it's supposed to be.
It comes down to all theseterms probably originated with
some TikTok or some Lair.
Cee Cee (11:02):
I was just thinking like it's a vibe session, like
it's a session where we're allvibing and I'm totally off.
Warren (11:08):
So, yeah, I fail that vibe test.
Well, number two.
Let's see if you do betterzombie brand.
Cee Cee (11:17):
Zombie brand.
Warren (11:19):
No, I hadn't heard this before.
Kind of makes some sense.
Companies that live throughvery horrible times and their
brand lingers, no matter how badthey're doing and things like
that.
They just refuse to go out ofbusiness.
I guess example I'm thinking ofis JC Penney's.
Every year I read the storesthat won't be the retail that
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won't be in business next year,and it's always JC Penney's or
K-Mart.
They're gone.
Well, yeah, I think they'recompletely gone now, I don't
know so, anyhow.
Cee Cee (11:51):
Okay.
Warren (11:54):
The third one I have heard of bare minimum Mondays.
Cee Cee (11:56):
Oh yeah.
Warren (11:58):
And of course this is a social media.
You ease into the work weekrather than jet in the office
with a to-do list as long asyour arm.
If Mondays, stressing you outbare minimum Mondays feels like
an excellent solution, the ideais to check some things off your
to-do list, but not to panicabout having an absolute crush
goals.
The lower key expectation canhelp workers adjust from the
(12:21):
weekend and ease anxiety aboutthe week ahead.
Cee Cee (12:26):
I kind of feel that it's like 10 years ago Mondays
were the worst and you had likehardcore Sunday scaries and you
had your two.
And now I don't feel thatpressure anymore.
Maybe I do, but I'm lying, butno, like now I'm thinking I
don't know whether it's not,I've just kind of gotten used to
(12:48):
it, or maybe it's just aculture of that low key Monday.
I don't know.
Warren (12:56):
I first.
Mondays are my busiest day ofthe week.
I usually do orientation everyMonday morning and then I have
two or three meetings in theafternoon and by then the rest
of my day is just plain catch upand my Mondays over it flashes
by.
It's crazy.
I like it that way, and one ofthe meetings has offered me to
(13:19):
reschedule to go to work aroundmy schedule.
I'm like you know what it's allgoing to get done one way or
the other, so I might as well doit now.
It didn't matter to me, but youbrought up a word Sunday scaries
.
That isn't on the list, butthat's something new to me this
year.
I hadn't heard that before, butI get it.
If things are overwhelming atwork, you just don't want Monday
(13:42):
to happen.
Is there treading work onSunday?
I guess I'm a little bitfortunate that, besides being
jaded on HR, I love my job, Ilike where I work, I love
everything I have going on atwork.
I don't get the Sunday scaries.
I don't like look forward to it.
Oh yeah, let me get up to workand things like that.
But it doesn't.
(14:02):
It doesn't faze me.
I think, maybe, maybe.
Cee Cee (14:06):
I'm having a therapeutic breakthrough right
now and realizing that I, too,like my job and therefore I do
not have the Sunday scariesanymore.
This is fantastic.
Warren (14:20):
We're supposed to be jaded though.
Now this one somebody's goingto get offended about lazy girl
jobs and it's about workingsmarter, not harder.
Once again started on socialmedia, but it's a way to respond
to burnout and I'm like yeah,and I have to say,
(14:41):
embarrassingly, I do.
Cee Cee (14:43):
I do follow the, I guess, content creator who
claims that she may have coinedthe phrase.
But, yeah, I feel like it couldbe a better phrase.
It's not really capturing whatwe want, but I am a fan of the
work harder or work smarter, notharder, so I support that, just
(15:07):
branded differently.
Warren (15:08):
Yeah, it's not.
It's not about being lazy,that's what it is.
It's not being lazy.
Actually, it takes hard work toplane things out.
So you're working smarter, notharder, and once you get your
little system in place andyou're doing that, but yeah,
lazy, what I read into that andthat's as a old dude reading
this that you know looking forlike an entry level job that
(15:30):
they don't have to do,Achievement is not important.
That's what it makes me thinkabout.
So the next one is loudquitting.
We heard a lot about that,especially seemed like at the
end of the year.
You know people going out andburning the bridges behind them
and things like that.
I have not seen that.
Knock on wood.
(15:51):
But just, if you're going toleave, just go, Okay, why do you
?
Cee Cee (15:57):
have you ever loud quit ?
Have you ever burnt a bridge,leaving a job?
Warren (16:02):
No, I'm not intentionally.
I mentioned I worked at thewater park.
I'm sure I would not be welcomethere.
It wasn't for me, I wasn't forthem and things like that.
And I've gave three weeksnotice.
But you know, I just don't.
I don't think I've burned abridge.
One thing oh, early in mycareer I I gave proper notice
(16:24):
and everything, and my new bossbecause at the time it was sort
of pressure felt me, made mefeel like I was being pressured
out gave me the list of allthese things I need to be done
by the in my two weeks.
It was like an unmanageablelist.
The next thing, you know, thepayroll assistant comes in my
office and says, oh, your lastday is going to be today.
You're going to pay for twoweeks someone, okay, whatever,
(16:46):
but I'd never experienced thatbefore and that that pissed me
off and I was like if all peopleheard to come because she was a
work of art on her own to tocome and do that.
Cee Cee (16:57):
I have loud quit once, and it was.
I was like I was working atStarbucks.
I was a barista.
I was a shift butt, for I was.
I was in college at the time soI was trying to study for a
final.
I had someone cover my shift themanager, who was younger than
me, doesn't really matter, butshe was just drunk at a bar so
she was harding.
She calls me while she's at abar and be that.
(17:20):
The person who covered my shiftis going over there 40 hours
and I can, and this is like afew like this is like kind of
the straw that broke and I waslike I cannot and she said, well
, if you don't go back in, hewill be fired at, his blood will
be on your hands and I'll like.
So I walked in the next day, Ithrew my keys on the counter,
I'm like, and she was like we'regoing to have to get your
(17:40):
shifts covered and I said, well,you're the manager, so it looks
like you're going to have tomanage.
And I walked out like Mike,drop out.
Oh, I do have a Starbucks.
I like that job.
I still love your car, but no,that was.
That wasn't fun for me.
Warren (17:59):
You know one of she's been on the podcast before when
my very good friends, lisa.
She started her career inStarbucks and then got into HR
as well.
But yeah, I haven't had theopportunity, but I can if you
really like I.
There's been times I probablywanted to loud quit, but yeah, I
don't think I, I'm just notthat type of person.
(18:21):
I just let me.
It's not worth it.
Well, the next one might applyto me sometimes monk mode.
I've never heard of this before.
This list that distraction,distractions by giving yourself
permission to ignore everythingyes, everything until the tasks
are complete.
It sounds like a littleavoidant, but also very
(18:42):
liberating and clearly necessary.
I love setting aside some timethat this.
I put a fake meeting on mycalendar and I just I don't
answer my phone anyway at mydesk, so I put my.
I just get something done.
So I've done that.
I've never heard it called monkmode, but gotta give it Things,
(19:02):
gotta have a cool name nowadays.
Cee Cee (19:04):
By the way, pro tip I don't know if you've used it,
but the focus like blocks andoutlook fantastic because it
allows you to ignore allnotifications while you're
focusing.
It's great.
Warren (19:19):
The focusing.
Yeah, we, we were a Googlehouse where I work, so I don't,
I don't know if Google meet andall that has that availability
or chat G chat has that, but Ido like the opportunity and I
just turn, turn it off sometimes, which I have forgotten to turn
it back on before.
Whoops Number nine.
Nepo baby.
(19:39):
Many people seem more annoyedthan ever about the lives of the
privileged, in particular thechildren of celebrities, who
come by incredible jobs withlittle, no effort on their part,
also known as Nepo babies.
Cee Cee (19:52):
I know.
I don't care, I was going tosay, also known as life Like
touches happens.
Warren (20:00):
Yeah, I don't care about celebrities, I don't care.
You know, it'd be cool to meetsome people sometimes.
But yeah, just yeah, I don'tget overly star struck, I don't
think, not that I've met many.
And then their number 10 wordis anxiety, and obviously it
wasn't formed in 2023.
But let's see here.
(20:21):
Glassdoor dubbed it the word ofthe year, based on
conversations both in and out ofoffices.
Identifying use of the word wasup 338% on company insights
platform.
Anxiety is often thrown outthere, together with return to
office, mental health, burnout,layoff.
So anxiety, yeah, it's outthere, you know, and for some
(20:45):
people it is really debilitating.
But I think the word is wayoverused and and that's a shame
because it really take somethingaway from those people have
real anxiety versus just someonewho wants attention.
Am I my jaded mind?
Cee Cee (21:02):
So I am one of those people who is guilty of overuse,
true to the.
When my mom stopped me one dayand she was like CC, do you have
a real anxiety problem?
I was like I had to reallywatch myself using that word.
I was worried.
Warren (21:21):
You're on the right path , like mom.
Yeah, so that was the onearticle.
I'm going to sort of combine.
These next articles are all byErica Lamberg on Fox Business,
but she had three differentarticles between let's see what
are the dates December 18 andDecember 26 talking about these
(21:43):
phrases.
The first one is careercushioning.
So basically, you're afraid oflosing your job and you're doing
things to start finding anotherjob.
I don't think there's anythingnew to that.
Yeah, it actually writes.
Employees add security theircareers by taking proactive
steps like attending networkingnights, updating the resume and
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LinkedIn profiles and evenperhaps applying for jobs.
I mean, if you're not doinggood in your job, that's what
you should be doing.
It doesn't need a name.
Cee Cee (22:14):
Correct.
Warren (22:17):
All right, if you now I will say I've twice in 2011,.
I got laid off twice.
I've told the stories beforethe first time.
In hindsight, I should haveseen it coming.
I should have seen it coming.
I guess I was too young ornaive or whatever at that time.
In the second time, oh, Iabsolutely saw it coming, but I
was helpless to do too muchabout it.
(22:39):
But I did find a job one dayafter being laid off the second
time.
So it works out.
So the next term she has iscoffee badging, and I saw that.
I Googled coffee badgingbecause I'd seen it somewhere
else before.
Now Erica Lambert writes coffeebadging is when employees show
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up to the office enough to forenough time to have a cup of
coffee, coffee, show their faceand get a bad swipe and then go
home to do the rest of theirwork.
And our lab study found thatmore than 58% of hybrid workers
are coffee badging, while 8%said they haven't done it yet
but would like to try it.
So the other way, I heard,coffee badging is like you if
(23:23):
you're a gamer or something, you, you earn badges for doing
certain feats and games.
Like you can't.
You come in to go, get a cup ofcoffee and be seen and get out
and you earn the the badge forthat.
So I guess it's basically thesame.
But yeah, coffee badging.
Cee Cee (23:39):
I honestly would have a badge.
I'm just alone on my island.
I would love to just gosomewhere, get coffee, like
socialize a little bit, and thenget back home Like that'd be my
ideal day.
Warren (23:54):
I'll go to you, know me, I'll go down.
Tangents are my thing.
So working at home full time.
So you do miss going into theoffice.
I don't.
Cee Cee (24:04):
If you asked me this a year ago I would have been like
never.
But yeah, I do miss it.
I miss going in once in a while.
I just don't be.
I don't like being told I haveto go in.
Like do not tell me I have to,but let me want to, okay.
Warren (24:24):
I I've you know I've talked to any number of people.
Like said, I have the opera.
Since the pandemic started,I've had the opportunity to work
from home two days a week.
I've done it a couple times.
In my current setup I had mywife works 100% from home and me
setting a card table up on thecouch in the same room as she's
in working is not a recipe forsuccess for either of us, so
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especially me being HR, I'm onthe phone.
I mentioned earlier I don'tanswer my phone, but I am on my
phone a lot at solving all theworld's problems employee
relations issues and everythinglike that and it's it's not a
success for us to both beworking from home in the same
place, same time.
Cee Cee (25:05):
Yeah, my husband's my coworker and close our doors.
He pokes his head in once in awhile.
I love it, but yeah, like Idon't know, I kind of miss an
office I too, and I kind of feelbad for a lot of people who are
entering the workforce now whomay never experience that
culture.
I do feel bad for them.
(25:25):
I feel like there's a littlebit that they're missing out of.
Warren (25:29):
Yeah, I agree, I think Zoom and Teams and everything
else like that, it's not thesame as being there and I'll be
walking down the hall.
Ooh, I need to talk to somebodyabout this.
And you can't have spontaneousthings happen like that in the
100% work from home environment.
(25:50):
Now, I'm sure it has a lot ofperks, but I will probably.
I'm about to move 20 milesfurther away from my office than
I live now, so I'm probablygoing to take advantage of the
two days of work from home onceI move, but because I will have
my own dedicated space versusbeing in the same room with my
wife.
(26:10):
But yeah, there's something tobe said for being in the office
and getting base time with yourbosses and the decision makers
and there was an article earlier.
I talked about it.
I think, when it comes time tolay out layoffs or even raises,
the people who have the facememory do better than the people
who are 100% right.
I believe it.
Oh, I don't know.
First thing about John Doe outthere in Timbuktu, so he's easy
(26:33):
to get rid of versus, you know,Dearsweet Warren that's here
every day is, you know, that'sgoing to be a harder trigger to
pull.
Cee Cee (26:41):
I will say, though, it's a nice in the season of
life I am in.
It is nice to be able to blockmy calendar off for an hour or
two and take a nap.
I will say that, I'm not goingto hide it, it's a real thing.
Just let me nap.
Warren (26:58):
No, that is.
That's an awesome example,because people I think that's a
great thing about working fromhome you can do those things.
You can do the laundry.
I mean.
How long does it take to changeout a little laundry or do some
other things?
Or even, yeah, rather thanwasting time cruising the
internet on the company, I'mjust going to take my nap.
I mean, I don't think there'sany overall less productivity
(27:23):
from people working from homefor most people.
You've got some people outthere that are a person left to
her company.
Not that long ago went to amajor, major, huge company and I
was talking to his brother andhe says, yeah, he could play
video games all day long.
Nobody's going to know or care,and things like that.
That sounds cool.
(27:46):
I would probably like it for ashort period of time, but I'm
like somebody's going to getsmart to me at some point, if
that's what it is.
Well, the last term before wewrap up for this episode is
shift shock.
I've never heard of that.
It's a viral career trend.
When employees find their newjob is not up to the
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expectations, that the companythey chose to join is different
than expected and was portrayingduring the interview and hiring
process.
That's called recruiting,because the exact opposite of
shift shock is called recruiting.
Oh yeah, I'm awesome, I'm great, I'm the best person ever
(28:32):
Anyhow, but I think I loweredeverybody's IQ a few points
today by these stupid lists,whether it's a HR podcast list
or list of stupid names.
I can't wait.
I do have fun seeing thesenames that people try to get
coined and it's interestingwhich ones get on.
But the quiet quitting and theloud quitting and oh, did I skip
(28:55):
one?
Did I say?
Oh, I skipped quite a few.
Oh yeah, my ADD's everywhereGrumpy stain.
So it's about not leaving, butyou're going to let the whole
world know you're not thrilledabout staying, can I?
Just?
That annoys me.
Cee Cee (29:16):
I know people like that .
I have encountered people likethat if you're not happy, just
leave, don't bring the vibe down.
Warren (29:26):
Oh, grumpy people overall, whether in personal
life or at work, they bring medown and it's awful.
And then the other one Iskipped over is quiet hiring,
and that was just so overused.
Once you have quiet hiring andthen right after that came loud
quitting and all this yeah,quiet hiring, bringing in short
(29:49):
term contractors or justspreading other people's work.
No, we're in a labor shortageand it's not going to get any
better any time soon.
Period in the story.
There's just not enough humanbeings around to do all the work
that needs to be done, soyou're going to have to get used
to it.
But I also think some of thesepeople aren't really working in
the first place and now theirexpectations are hey, johnny's
(30:14):
gone, so you've got to pick upsome of their work and you
weren't doing anything in thefirst place.
So I don't know, that's allI've got for today.
Anything else on your mind?
Cee Cee (30:23):
No, I'm just, I'm ready for this like my performance
review, life and be done andthat's it.
I'm just like I said, 2024,.
Just survive the first sixmonths.
Better year, year, get ittogether.
I'm done you be better.
Warren (30:47):
I love that.
Yeah, I don't have anythingmore.
We're back.
So we're going to be on abi-weekly recording schedule for
the year.
Hopefully everything works wellwith that and we will take the
month of June off from recording, like we took the month of
December off.
But I will say I looked at ourdownload stats.
They weren't awful for themonth of December, for not
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having but one recording.
So thank you for continuing.
Download back episodes andreacquaint yourself with us and
maybe you're some of y'all arejust finding us for the first
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We have a Patreon.
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So that's your best practice.
But, as always, I'm Warren, I'mCC and we're here helping you
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Welcome to JDDHR, the podcast by two HR professionals
who want to help you get throughto work day by saying all the
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Cee Cee (00:55):
I'm CeCe.
Warren (00:57):
All right, we have now our third co-host.
Feathers is still around butnot able to make it today.
We're recording on a wildschedule.
We were supposed to recordyesterday but those wonderful
storms knocked out myelectricity.
I'd go like 45 minutes withelectricity and then go out for
two minutes.
With the internet it takes like10 minutes to get going again.
(01:18):
It was a crazy one yesterday.
Happy New Year.
Cee Cee (01:27):
I'm already exhausted, yeah.
Warren (01:31):
Well, you would talk to offline about what you're going
through at work.
We just finished up our inwardviews, we are heading into open
enrollment and we have someother things going on.
It's just oh, and my recruiterson maternity leave, so I'm
picking up that slack.
So it's just like.
Sure, let's all do it all atthe same time, but it's all good
(01:51):
, it's fun, I'm enjoying it.
Cee Cee (01:54):
Nice, we're getting up our performance reviews.
We just got done with ourtalent calibrations this week,
so now we're going intoperformance conversations and if
I get one more email asking mequestions that they could have
read I'd be I'm going to justthrow my computer out.
Warren (02:13):
That's the most frustrating thing.
We do all this.
People just think HR justthrows this shit up against the
wall and sees what sticks.
And we do a lot of planning.
We work together and come inwith some well-crafted emails
that supposedly answer everyquestion.
Oh, last year we got thisquestion five times.
You put all this all togetherand nobody read it.
Cee Cee (02:33):
Fun fact people don't read.
Warren (02:35):
Yeah, no, had you actually read the email?
Andrew Quilpa (02:39):
as.
Warren (02:39):
Andrew Culpa says in the opening line here on our thing
so yeah, it's a lot of fun, butyeah, yeah, yeah.
So do you have any HR NewYear's resolutions?
I was going to ask.
Cee Cee (02:53):
So I decided that I am not going to get better this
year.
I'm just going to let the yearget better because it's time for
the year to shape up On top ofthat, I'm pregnant, so I am
really going through.
I guess pregnancy brain is areal thing and my body and my
(03:14):
brain can only do so much.
So no, there are no resolutions.
Everything is my resolution.
Warren (03:21):
Back to 2020, the survival yeah, I don't do New
Year's resolutions.
I come up with a list ofprojects I want to get done and
I'll probably get three quartersof them actually done, but if
I'm lucky, I'll get threequarters.
We'll see how it.
Cee Cee (03:37):
I will say I am trying to get better at my morning
routines.
So if I can get up like I workfrom home 100%, so if I can get
up, wash my face and somewhatstyle my hair, it's a win.
So that's kind of just focusingon a really decent morning
(04:00):
routine.
Or I actually have a breakfastand yeah, like that's really
where I'm focusing on.
Warren (04:07):
Well, I said to myself I was going to be.
I go into the office Still.
I've never done work from home,except for rare occasions when
other things are going on.
But I said, oh, I'm going tostart coming to work at 8 30 in
the morning so I can leave alittle earlier.
So I normally come in at nineish and leave at 5 30 ish and
it's not nobody cares if it'snine or five or nine 15.
(04:29):
We don't care about that whereI work.
But yeah, since what?
January 2nd, I'm on the offerlist.
I have not made it to work at 831 time, despite my least best
efforts.
But I do want to.
That is something I want to doWell with.
With the new year comes a lot oflists, and so the show today.
(04:51):
I've got a couple lists I wantto talk about.
But this one, this first one,if you listen to the podcast a
lot, I spend a lot of my freetime on LinkedIn.
I like that time.
I want to explain this a littlebit.
You have that meeting at 11o'clock, but it's 1045.
I'm not gonna start somethingnew for 15 minutes.
I'll get on LinkedIn, cruisearound, read some articles and
(05:13):
things like that.
So I saw this on LinkedIn andI'll get to why.
How I saw it is.
I don't follow the author oranything like that, but the the
title was something along thelines of the top X podcast is.
I'm gonna be very vague becauseI don't want to give it any
credit where it's not doing.
I do also want to say this isnot a case of sour grapes, that
(05:33):
J2HR is not included on thislist, but I just thought it was.
Cee Cee (05:37):
That was my next question.
Warren (05:39):
No, we did not make the list, this list, but we did make
another one, which is actuallyincluded in this article.
But so, anyways, it's clickbaitfor me.
So I clicked on it and I readit and let's say they had their
title is the top number X numberpodcast and their image that
(05:59):
they chose for art was cover artfor a whole bunch of different
podcasts.
But five of those podcastsweren't even on that.
Their cover art was on.
Their graphic weren't even intheir list.
And then I went on.
I you know I'm a, I'm a completenerd about this.
When I went in on podcasting Iwent all in.
So I went down the ride, thatwhole of listen notes and they
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that's a pretty independent waythat's publicly available to see
how podcasts are ranked interms of how long people listen
for, or I guess they call it thequality of listening or
something like that and thenyour rank of podcasts in all the
world.
But anyways, one of their theirtop was not even listed in a
list of notes.
(06:41):
Three they were listed but noteven ranked at all.
Three of them didn't even havea show in the past year and one
of them their last episode, wasin 20, they'd listed.
Churn podcast is one of theirtop podcasts and they have a
bunch of them.
One of them was pretty good.
Cee Cee (06:56):
I think the host I know it's talking about and you're
right, it was excellent and shedid sadly die.
Warren (07:01):
It was.
It's the only good one thatcame out of that churn thing.
But yeah, I forget the name ofthe host.
It's been been quite a fewyears probably before J did HR
started but the host passed awayand I think that just sort of
ended after that.
Or if it didn't end, I didn'tkeep listening.
One I would call HR Jason andthe other was not HR at all.
(07:21):
Another was not.
Cee Cee (07:23):
HR at all, really solid list.
Warren (07:26):
So, yeah, yeah, well, get this.
The author of the list is apodcast host and while he stated
his list is not in any order,his was conveniently ranked
number two and some of thethings he put behind his being
ranked number two.
The show has received hundredsof thousands of downloads and
ranks in feed spots top five HRpodcasts in the world based on
(07:47):
traffic, social media, followers, domain authority and freshness
.
Now, if you're not a podcastnerd, like I am, feed spot is
like the who's who of a podcastlist.
Basically, it's trying to sellyour information and they try
and get podcasts sponsored theirlists and do things like that.
(08:07):
It's really interesting.
By the way, j did HR.
Well, this podcast hosts there.
They were ranked number five onit.
We were ranked number 18, butright underneath the podcast
list it says buy the contactinformation of the hosts or
something like that.
So it's crazy.
But if you, if you went by,listen notes, j did HR blows
(08:31):
this podcast out of the water.
But anyways, going back to thearticle, it had caught nine
company links in 25 people linksand between all those links,
there has to be hundreds of,maybe even hundreds of thousands
of people that were that sawthis post because that's how I
found it.
Somebody I follow their namewas linked on it and that's how
(08:53):
it came up in my feed is.
I wouldn't have seen itotherwise.
I think that's all they weretrying to do and put
conveniently put their hosts.
So I think next year I'm goingto do my list of top pod HR
podcasts, and J did.
Cee Cee (09:05):
Hr is number one, I'm telling you right now, already,
let's do it, let's do ittomorrow, let's do it tomorrow.
Warren (09:14):
The number one podcast for January 10 is J H R.
Next tomorrow Do another one.
I love it.
That number one HR podcast is Jdid HR, but one out of one.
Cee Cee (09:24):
It's a one, the one list or the one podcast you
should listen to.
J did HR.
Warren (09:32):
It's just sort of funny.
But changing subject, signedkind of this is more on the list
.
Since day one of J did HR,we've been inundated with these
stupid terms for the people areusing.
You know, going back to, itseemed to get worse over COVID
(09:52):
and it just doesn't seem to getbetter anymore and all let's see
.
This first article comes fromSarah Braggle, from Fast Company
and Vibe Session zombie, zombiebrand, lazy girl job the
business jargon that defined2023.
So I've heard of a few of thesefor these terms, but I found
(10:16):
this through an HR articlesomehow.
But anyways, I haven't heard ofa lot of these terms and so I
don't think they're that big.
The number one on her list isVibe Session, which was
apparently coined by a TikToker,meaning that the recession was
being more or less shaped by howpeople are feeling versus.
(10:37):
It's an astute observationabout the power of vibes.
So you feel like the economysucks.
Cee Cee (10:44):
So you're in a Vibe Session, but Okay, so it's like
a play on recession, then isthat what we're doing, okay?
Warren (10:52):
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking it's supposed to be.
It comes down to all theseterms probably originated with
some TikTok or some Lair.
Cee Cee (11:02):
I was just thinking like it's a vibe session, like
it's a session where we're allvibing and I'm totally off.
Warren (11:08):
So, yeah, I fail that vibe test.
Well, number two.
Let's see if you do betterzombie brand.
Cee Cee (11:17):
Zombie brand.
Warren (11:19):
No, I hadn't heard this before.
Kind of makes some sense.
Companies that live throughvery horrible times and their
brand lingers, no matter how badthey're doing and things like
that.
They just refuse to go out ofbusiness.
I guess example I'm thinking ofis JC Penney's.
Every year I read the storesthat won't be the retail that
(11:42):
won't be in business next year,and it's always JC Penney's or
K-Mart.
They're gone.
Well, yeah, I think they'recompletely gone now, I don't
know so, anyhow.
Cee Cee (11:51):
Okay.
Warren (11:54):
The third one I have heard of bare minimum Mondays.
Cee Cee (11:56):
Oh yeah.
Warren (11:58):
And of course this is a social media.
You ease into the work weekrather than jet in the office
with a to-do list as long asyour arm.
If Mondays, stressing you outbare minimum Mondays feels like
an excellent solution, the ideais to check some things off your
to-do list, but not to panicabout having an absolute crush
goals.
The lower key expectation canhelp workers adjust from the
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weekend and ease anxiety aboutthe week ahead.
Cee Cee (12:26):
I kind of feel that it's like 10 years ago Mondays
were the worst and you had likehardcore Sunday scaries and you
had your two.
And now I don't feel thatpressure anymore.
Maybe I do, but I'm lying, butno, like now I'm thinking I
don't know whether it's not,I've just kind of gotten used to
(12:48):
it, or maybe it's just aculture of that low key Monday.
I don't know.
Warren (12:56):
I first.
Mondays are my busiest day ofthe week.
I usually do orientation everyMonday morning and then I have
two or three meetings in theafternoon and by then the rest
of my day is just plain catch upand my Mondays over it flashes
by.
It's crazy.
I like it that way, and one ofthe meetings has offered me to
(13:19):
reschedule to go to work aroundmy schedule.
I'm like you know what it's allgoing to get done one way or
the other, so I might as well doit now.
It didn't matter to me, but youbrought up a word Sunday scaries
.
That isn't on the list, butthat's something new to me this
year.
I hadn't heard that before, butI get it.
If things are overwhelming atwork, you just don't want Monday
(13:42):
to happen.
Is there treading work onSunday?
I guess I'm a little bitfortunate that, besides being
jaded on HR, I love my job, Ilike where I work, I love
everything I have going on atwork.
I don't get the Sunday scaries.
I don't like look forward to it.
Oh yeah, let me get up to workand things like that.
But it doesn't.
(14:02):
It doesn't faze me.
I think, maybe, maybe.
Cee Cee (14:06):
I'm having a therapeutic breakthrough right
now and realizing that I, too,like my job and therefore I do
not have the Sunday scariesanymore.
This is fantastic.
Warren (14:20):
We're supposed to be jaded though.
Now this one somebody's goingto get offended about lazy girl
jobs and it's about workingsmarter, not harder.
Once again started on socialmedia, but it's a way to respond
to burnout and I'm like yeah,and I have to say,
(14:41):
embarrassingly, I do.
Cee Cee (14:43):
I do follow the, I guess, content creator who
claims that she may have coinedthe phrase.
But, yeah, I feel like it couldbe a better phrase.
It's not really capturing whatwe want, but I am a fan of the
work harder or work smarter, notharder, so I support that, just
(15:07):
branded differently.
Warren (15:08):
Yeah, it's not.
It's not about being lazy,that's what it is.
It's not being lazy.
Actually, it takes hard work toplane things out.
So you're working smarter, notharder, and once you get your
little system in place andyou're doing that, but yeah,
lazy, what I read into that andthat's as a old dude reading
this that you know looking forlike an entry level job that
(15:30):
they don't have to do,Achievement is not important.
That's what it makes me thinkabout.
So the next one is loudquitting.
We heard a lot about that,especially seemed like at the
end of the year.
You know people going out andburning the bridges behind them
and things like that.
I have not seen that.
Knock on wood.
(15:51):
But just, if you're going toleave, just go, Okay, why do you
?
Cee Cee (15:57):
have you ever loud quit ?
Have you ever burnt a bridge,leaving a job?
Warren (16:02):
No, I'm not intentionally.
I mentioned I worked at thewater park.
I'm sure I would not be welcomethere.
It wasn't for me, I wasn't forthem and things like that.
And I've gave three weeksnotice.
But you know, I just don't.
I don't think I've burned abridge.
One thing oh, early in mycareer I I gave proper notice
(16:24):
and everything, and my new bossbecause at the time it was sort
of pressure felt me, made mefeel like I was being pressured
out gave me the list of allthese things I need to be done
by the in my two weeks.
It was like an unmanageablelist.
The next thing, you know, thepayroll assistant comes in my
office and says, oh, your lastday is going to be today.
You're going to pay for twoweeks someone, okay, whatever,
(16:46):
but I'd never experienced thatbefore and that that pissed me
off and I was like if all peopleheard to come because she was a
work of art on her own to tocome and do that.
Cee Cee (16:57):
I have loud quit once, and it was.
I was like I was working atStarbucks.
I was a barista.
I was a shift butt, for I was.
I was in college at the time soI was trying to study for a
final.
I had someone cover my shift themanager, who was younger than
me, doesn't really matter, butshe was just drunk at a bar so
she was harding.
She calls me while she's at abar and be that.
(17:20):
The person who covered my shiftis going over there 40 hours
and I can, and this is like afew like this is like kind of
the straw that broke and I waslike I cannot and she said, well
, if you don't go back in, hewill be fired at, his blood will
be on your hands and I'll like.
So I walked in the next day, Ithrew my keys on the counter,
I'm like, and she was like we'regoing to have to get your
(17:40):
shifts covered and I said, well,you're the manager, so it looks
like you're going to have tomanage.
And I walked out like Mike,drop out.
Oh, I do have a Starbucks.
I like that job.
I still love your car, but no,that was.
That wasn't fun for me.
Warren (17:59):
You know one of she's been on the podcast before when
my very good friends, lisa.
She started her career inStarbucks and then got into HR
as well.
But yeah, I haven't had theopportunity, but I can if you
really like I.
There's been times I probablywanted to loud quit, but yeah, I
don't think I, I'm just notthat type of person.
(18:21):
I just let me.
It's not worth it.
Well, the next one might applyto me sometimes monk mode.
I've never heard of this before.
This list that distraction,distractions by giving yourself
permission to ignore everythingyes, everything until the tasks
are complete.
It sounds like a littleavoidant, but also very
(18:42):
liberating and clearly necessary.
I love setting aside some timethat this.
I put a fake meeting on mycalendar and I just I don't
answer my phone anyway at mydesk, so I put my.
I just get something done.
So I've done that.
I've never heard it called monkmode, but gotta give it Things,
(19:02):
gotta have a cool name nowadays.
Cee Cee (19:04):
By the way, pro tip I don't know if you've used it,
but the focus like blocks andoutlook fantastic because it
allows you to ignore allnotifications while you're
focusing.
It's great.
Warren (19:19):
The focusing.
Yeah, we, we were a Googlehouse where I work, so I don't,
I don't know if Google meet andall that has that availability
or chat G chat has that, but Ido like the opportunity and I
just turn, turn it off sometimes, which I have forgotten to turn
it back on before.
Whoops Number nine.
Nepo baby.
(19:39):
Many people seem more annoyedthan ever about the lives of the
privileged, in particular thechildren of celebrities, who
come by incredible jobs withlittle, no effort on their part,
also known as Nepo babies.
Cee Cee (19:52):
I know.
I don't care, I was going tosay, also known as life Like
touches happens.
Warren (20:00):
Yeah, I don't care about celebrities, I don't care.
You know, it'd be cool to meetsome people sometimes.
But yeah, just yeah, I don'tget overly star struck, I don't
think, not that I've met many.
And then their number 10 wordis anxiety, and obviously it
wasn't formed in 2023.
But let's see here.
(20:21):
Glassdoor dubbed it the word ofthe year, based on
conversations both in and out ofoffices.
Identifying use of the word wasup 338% on company insights
platform.
Anxiety is often thrown outthere, together with return to
office, mental health, burnout,layoff.
So anxiety, yeah, it's outthere, you know, and for some
(20:45):
people it is really debilitating.
But I think the word is wayoverused and and that's a shame
because it really take somethingaway from those people have
real anxiety versus just someonewho wants attention.
Am I my jaded mind?
Cee Cee (21:02):
So I am one of those people who is guilty of overuse,
true to the.
When my mom stopped me one dayand she was like CC, do you have
a real anxiety problem?
I was like I had to reallywatch myself using that word.
I was worried.
Warren (21:21):
You're on the right path , like mom.
Yeah, so that was the onearticle.
I'm going to sort of combine.
These next articles are all byErica Lamberg on Fox Business,
but she had three differentarticles between let's see what
are the dates December 18 andDecember 26 talking about these
(21:43):
phrases.
The first one is careercushioning.
So basically, you're afraid oflosing your job and you're doing
things to start finding anotherjob.
I don't think there's anythingnew to that.
Yeah, it actually writes.
Employees add security theircareers by taking proactive
steps like attending networkingnights, updating the resume and
(22:05):
LinkedIn profiles and evenperhaps applying for jobs.
I mean, if you're not doinggood in your job, that's what
you should be doing.
It doesn't need a name.
Cee Cee (22:14):
Correct.
Warren (22:17):
All right, if you now I will say I've twice in 2011,.
I got laid off twice.
I've told the stories beforethe first time.
In hindsight, I should haveseen it coming.
I should have seen it coming.
I guess I was too young ornaive or whatever at that time.
In the second time, oh, Iabsolutely saw it coming, but I
was helpless to do too muchabout it.
(22:39):
But I did find a job one dayafter being laid off the second
time.
So it works out.
So the next term she has iscoffee badging, and I saw that.
I Googled coffee badgingbecause I'd seen it somewhere
else before.
Now Erica Lambert writes coffeebadging is when employees show
(22:59):
up to the office enough to forenough time to have a cup of
coffee, coffee, show their faceand get a bad swipe and then go
home to do the rest of theirwork.
And our lab study found thatmore than 58% of hybrid workers
are coffee badging, while 8%said they haven't done it yet
but would like to try it.
So the other way, I heard,coffee badging is like you if
(23:23):
you're a gamer or something, you, you earn badges for doing
certain feats and games.
Like you can't.
You come in to go, get a cup ofcoffee and be seen and get out
and you earn the the badge forthat.
So I guess it's basically thesame.
But yeah, coffee badging.
Cee Cee (23:39):
I honestly would have a badge.
I'm just alone on my island.
I would love to just gosomewhere, get coffee, like
socialize a little bit, and thenget back home Like that'd be my
ideal day.
Warren (23:54):
I'll go to you, know me, I'll go down.
Tangents are my thing.
So working at home full time.
So you do miss going into theoffice.
I don't.
Cee Cee (24:04):
If you asked me this a year ago I would have been like
never.
But yeah, I do miss it.
I miss going in once in a while.
I just don't be.
I don't like being told I haveto go in.
Like do not tell me I have to,but let me want to, okay.
Warren (24:24):
I I've you know I've talked to any number of people.
Like said, I have the opera.
Since the pandemic started,I've had the opportunity to work
from home two days a week.
I've done it a couple times.
In my current setup I had mywife works 100% from home and me
setting a card table up on thecouch in the same room as she's
in working is not a recipe forsuccess for either of us, so
(24:47):
especially me being HR, I'm onthe phone.
I mentioned earlier I don'tanswer my phone, but I am on my
phone a lot at solving all theworld's problems employee
relations issues and everythinglike that and it's it's not a
success for us to both beworking from home in the same
place, same time.
Cee Cee (25:05):
Yeah, my husband's my coworker and close our doors.
He pokes his head in once in awhile.
I love it, but yeah, like Idon't know, I kind of miss an
office I too, and I kind of feelbad for a lot of people who are
entering the workforce now whomay never experience that
culture.
I do feel bad for them.
(25:25):
I feel like there's a littlebit that they're missing out of.
Warren (25:29):
Yeah, I agree, I think Zoom and Teams and everything
else like that, it's not thesame as being there and I'll be
walking down the hall.
Ooh, I need to talk to somebodyabout this.
And you can't have spontaneousthings happen like that in the
100% work from home environment.
(25:50):
Now, I'm sure it has a lot ofperks, but I will probably.
I'm about to move 20 milesfurther away from my office than
I live now, so I'm probablygoing to take advantage of the
two days of work from home onceI move, but because I will have
my own dedicated space versusbeing in the same room with my
wife.
(26:10):
But yeah, there's something tobe said for being in the office
and getting base time with yourbosses and the decision makers
and there was an article earlier.
I talked about it.
I think, when it comes time tolay out layoffs or even raises,
the people who have the facememory do better than the people
who are 100% right.
I believe it.
Oh, I don't know.
First thing about John Doe outthere in Timbuktu, so he's easy
(26:33):
to get rid of versus, you know,Dearsweet Warren that's here
every day is, you know, that'sgoing to be a harder trigger to
pull.
Cee Cee (26:41):
I will say, though, it's a nice in the season of
life I am in.
It is nice to be able to blockmy calendar off for an hour or
two and take a nap.
I will say that, I'm not goingto hide it, it's a real thing.
Just let me nap.
Warren (26:58):
No, that is.
That's an awesome example,because people I think that's a
great thing about working fromhome you can do those things.
You can do the laundry.
I mean.
How long does it take to changeout a little laundry or do some
other things?
Or even, yeah, rather thanwasting time cruising the
internet on the company, I'mjust going to take my nap.
I mean, I don't think there'sany overall less productivity
(27:23):
from people working from homefor most people.
You've got some people outthere that are a person left to
her company.
Not that long ago went to amajor, major, huge company and I
was talking to his brother andhe says, yeah, he could play
video games all day long.
Nobody's going to know or care,and things like that.
That sounds cool.
(27:46):
I would probably like it for ashort period of time, but I'm
like somebody's going to getsmart to me at some point, if
that's what it is.
Well, the last term before wewrap up for this episode is
shift shock.
I've never heard of that.
It's a viral career trend.
When employees find their newjob is not up to the
(28:09):
expectations, that the companythey chose to join is different
than expected and was portrayingduring the interview and hiring
process.
That's called recruiting,because the exact opposite of
shift shock is called recruiting.
Oh yeah, I'm awesome, I'm great, I'm the best person ever
(28:32):
Anyhow, but I think I loweredeverybody's IQ a few points
today by these stupid lists,whether it's a HR podcast list
or list of stupid names.
I can't wait.
I do have fun seeing thesenames that people try to get
coined and it's interestingwhich ones get on.
But the quiet quitting and theloud quitting and oh, did I skip
(28:55):
one?
Did I say?
Oh, I skipped quite a few.
Oh yeah, my ADD's everywhereGrumpy stain.
So it's about not leaving, butyou're going to let the whole
world know you're not thrilledabout staying, can I?
Just?
That annoys me.
Cee Cee (29:16):
I know people like that .
I have encountered people likethat if you're not happy, just
leave, don't bring the vibe down.
Warren (29:26):
Oh, grumpy people overall, whether in personal
life or at work, they bring medown and it's awful.
And then the other one Iskipped over is quiet hiring,
and that was just so overused.
Once you have quiet hiring andthen right after that came loud
quitting and all this yeah,quiet hiring, bringing in short
(29:49):
term contractors or justspreading other people's work.
No, we're in a labor shortageand it's not going to get any
better any time soon.
Period in the story.
There's just not enough humanbeings around to do all the work
that needs to be done, soyou're going to have to get used
to it.
But I also think some of thesepeople aren't really working in
the first place and now theirexpectations are hey, johnny's
(30:14):
gone, so you've got to pick upsome of their work and you
weren't doing anything in thefirst place.
So I don't know, that's allI've got for today.
Anything else on your mind?
Cee Cee (30:23):
No, I'm just, I'm ready for this like my performance
review, life and be done andthat's it.
I'm just like I said, 2024,.
Just survive the first sixmonths.
Better year, year, get ittogether.
I'm done you be better.
Warren (30:47):
I love that.
Yeah, I don't have anythingmore.
We're back.
So we're going to be on abi-weekly recording schedule for
the year.
Hopefully everything works wellwith that and we will take the
month of June off from recording, like we took the month of
December off.
But I will say I looked at ourdownload stats.
They weren't awful for themonth of December, for not
(31:08):
having but one recording.
So thank you for continuing.
Download back episodes andreacquaint yourself with us and
maybe you're some of y'all arejust finding us for the first
time, so welcome and also wantto invite people to support us.
We have a Patreon.
You can find all the wonderfullinks in your show notes.
We have two Patreon supportersHallie, the original J2DHR
(31:29):
Rockstar, and Bill is our secondcontributor.
So yay, thank you very much foryour support.
The intro and outro music isdouble to double by the
Underscore Orchestra and AndrewCulpa does our intro at the
beginning of the podcast.
So, as all best practice, giveit up on these stupid list
people Best.
(31:50):
So that's your best practice.
But, as always, I'm Warren, I'mCC and we're here helping you
survive HR.
One the fuck movement at a time.
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