February 11, 2024 • 42 mins
Have you ever felt trapped by your own definition of authenticity and success? We strip back the layers of these elusive concepts as we share heart-to-heart stories from our personal quests to redefine achievement. Our discussion spirals from workplace pressures to finding joy in the safety of our personal realms. Along the way, we celebrate the monumental achievements of trailblazer Clarice Phelps, the first black woman to contribute to the discovery of a new periodic element, and the timeless impact of artists like Tracy Chapman.
The world looks different through varied lenses, and this episode puts the spotlight on how our perspectives shape our understanding. We traverse topics from the nuanced messages behind communication styles to the unspoken societal taboos of menopause and tongue piercings. Laughter bubbles up as we highlight a quirky Valentine's Day fundraiser, and we acknowledge the importance of camaraderie and support through the lighter side of heartbreak and beyond.
Wrapping up with a heartfelt thanks to our listeners, we underscore the power of word-of-mouth in growing our podcast's community. Every shared story, every recommendation you make, adds to the fabric of our shared experience. We're here to remind you to celebrate your unique self, and if our conversation inspires you to do just that or to champion someone else's creativity, then we've done our job. Thanks to our producer, Sara Reid, for helping us craft this space for honest reflection and connection.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Cat and Moose Podcast.
I'm Kat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is a True Life Podcast where we explore the
quirks of being human.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hey Moose, hey Kat, hey Sarah, hi guys, I would like
to start today's podcast with acomplaint.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Okay, oh great, I love that.
I love when we start in apositive note, always.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yes, because we're a positive podcast.
So I got a voice memo from youyesterday, moose, saying the
following I would like for youto bring your most authentic
self to the podcast and I wouldlike for you to pay attention to
the lighting.
I would like for you to payattention to your background,
(00:53):
etc.
Etc, etc.
It looks nice.
Yeah, I did, and it looks great, by the way it really does.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
You've really upgraded for this episode, I'm
sure.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Well, thank you.
I also am really struggling,though and this is the complaint
that I have, and it's notdirected toward you, moose, it's
just toward Sure feels like it.
I know I'm trying to back it upa little bit, and this is kind
of a question for all three ofus.
Even someone asks you to bringyour most authentic self.
(01:26):
What is that Like?
Because to me, my mostauthentic self is not looking
good and good lighting with goodmakeup on.
Like that makes me feel likeI'm having to like put on a
front or put on a thing.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I did not want you to put on a front.
I just needed great video.
Did I hurt your?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
feelings when I asked that you didn't hurt my
feelings at all, like itactually didn't hurt my feelings
at all.
It kind of took me on thisjourney of like what is bringing
my most authentic self?
And it made me just kind ofwonder, like what does that mean
to each one of us?
Like, what is it?
What does it mean?
(02:08):
Is it something that is visual?
Is it something that'sspiritual?
Is it something that's tangibleor intangible?
And it just kind of sent me onthis, like as most questions you
ask me do.
They sent me on this like justexploration of like what does it
mean for cat to be cat's mostauthentic self?
(02:29):
And I just I don't know.
I thought that your questioninspired a lot of very exciting
curiosity for me.
And what did you learn?
I learned that some of thereasons that I hold back and by
(02:51):
holding back like, like, I meanlike why do I not look like?
You know, I'm in great physicalcondition and I'm in great this
and great that or whatever it'slike a lot of the reason I hold
back and I said this in aninterview in college one time is
that I think I'm afraid ofsuccess.
I know that feeling.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
You know, you've always said that I don't, I
don't understand that and I'venever understood it.
I think I'm in denial aboutdoing the same thing.
Really, like what does thatmean you're afraid of because
this comes up?
We've talked about this withthe podcast.
We talked about this withbusinesses we've owned.
I would love to explore thisbecause I think I have it too
(03:33):
and I think I'm just in denialof it because, to me, the words
I'm afraid of success don't makesense.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
They don't make any sense.
They don't make any sense, andone of the things that I say
often in in my music career is Isay that human beings are not
created for fame and notoriety.
We can't handle it Like likethere.
(04:00):
There are very few examples ofpeople that I think everybody
just kind of goes like wow, thatperson's just got it together.
You know, it's like Tom Hankswould be one of those.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You know not.
If you ask the conspiracytheorist, they hate him.
Oh, that's true.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
But I'm with you.
He's like, as good as they getyeah, they do.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I mean, yeah, like Tom Hanks, julia Roberts, oprah,
jimmy Fallon, yeah like good.
They seem like good solid.
Sarah Reed who?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Oh, sarah Reed, sarah you are a very well rounded.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yes, famous person.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, I'm very, I'm very impressed, I'm very
impressed, sarah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Okay, so you guys both agree that you are afraid
of success.
Let's dissect that, or maybethat's not the right phrase.
Say it again, kat.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well, no, that is what I said and, in and to me,
like that's what I'm the mostcurious about, because it's like
, well, success has been definedas something different.
As I've aged, and I think thatI am entering into a time of
life and I think this is part ofkind of like the midlife crisis
, and all of that is that I'mactually less and less and less
(05:13):
afraid of success.
What success means to me hasevolved.
And what has it evolved from andto yeah well, I feel like
success is like you're a reallygood radio promoter, you're a
really good manager, you're areally good body worker, like
yay you, you should be famousand have your very own business
(05:35):
card.
You know, it's like that, to me, has felt like what I've been
striving for and what what Ithink that I have learned and
I'm still adjusting to is that Ithink what success really means
to me is is my kingdom safe andis my kingdom full of things
(05:57):
and people that bring out thebest in me?
Yeah, and to me, that'ssuccessful.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I would agree with that.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
And what that looks like and what that sounds like
is almost irrelevant.
You know, it's like it's moreof like just going, like okay,
it's not important that I'm thebest manager in the industry,
like that is important tosomebody and I really want to be
a great manager, but like Idon't need to be Scooter Braun
or whomever one might say is oneof the best managers in the
(06:26):
industry.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I don't think they would pick him at this point.
Well, I hear you, yeah.
At one point they did Okay.
So, yeah, I hear you so okaywith that.
Said, though, in relation toprojects you work on now, how
does that relate like thepodcast being successful?
Why does that scare you?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Well, the thing is is that it shouldn't, and it
doesn't, and so, like, by youasking me to step up my game and
use better lighting and and allthe things that that meant to
me, things you didn't say, but,like I was like, well, I better
put makeup on my hair, betternot look greasy, like I need to
wear a solid color t-shirt thatdoesn't say anything.
You know, it's like there wereseveral things that I thought of
that I was like this is whatstepping up my game looks like.
(07:12):
Yeah, and you know what?
Like, if I see something aboutour podcast out there on the
internet, I want it to look good.
Right, true, I want it to lookpro.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
What I find so interesting is that I I
experienced my outgoing voicememo to you as a pep talk and
you're describing you'redescribing it as a critical
Admonishment.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
What does admonish mean?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Like.
I'm correcting you Like, like,because I haven't had lighting
in in this office in a while.
So it was.
It was I was inspired by somethings I saw and then I went how
do we step it up?
This is what it could look like, very simply, and then that's
where the voice memo came from.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
That's so interesting .
Our perspectives are so, yeah,so incredibly different, and I
also, like I just did that thingwhere I like told you something
you did and then told you howit made me feel, and that's
really, really non-therapeutic,like.
That's like, oh no, I find it.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And I I am.
It's just interesting because Icame into it as I was like
talking to Sarah, we were on ourway back from this quick trip
that we were doing and I waslike this is where I want to put
my time and energy.
And it was that was the resultof it.
Was that voice memo?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, and when you said that you wanted this to be
a big part of our careers, thatmade me want to pound my chest
and like rip my shirt and and golike, yeah, I mean, it's like
every episode that I listened toyou.
I'm genuinely proud of me too.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Like genuinely proud of it.
I think we're our biggest fans.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Well, good, I mean, as it should be right.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Listen, here is, I have said since I started my
company my sort of secrettagline and it's probably just
my personal tagline in life iswhat if the truth is enough?
Mm-hmm, like, what if?
Like, especially when it comesto other people having opinions
(09:32):
like well, what if the truth isenough?
Like you can't really get meoutside of saying you disagree
with me if I'm telling the truth.
You know, and I think that iswhat we have going for us with
this threpple that we havecreated, whoa.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
The thing about a threpple is my understanding is
that it involves some sort ofphysical contact, and I haven't
seen you guys in like weeks.
That's not true.
You drugged me out.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, you drugged me.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So, Kat and I, if you I don't know if we've talked
about this in the podcast or not, but Kat and I have this
ongoing.
We started it, I think, lastmonth and we have this ongoing
thing of like hey, we both arenot the biggest fans of some
events we have to go to.
Now, that's not the case of theone I went with you, but
(10:29):
sometimes it's nice to have awingman when you go to like
industry events and so I I youcame with me to something and
then you invited me to come withyou, which I had a great time,
but I totally pulled anintrovert move and just like sat
at the bar while everybody waslike seated at tables.
Don't worry, I wasn't justdrinking, I was listening to
(10:52):
everything that was happening,but it was a really fun night.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
It was a really fun night and it's one of those
things where knowing that youwere going with me to that event
, it changed my whole.
It gave me a paradigm shift, itchanged my whole perspective
because, like it was a lovelyevent to begin with, like it was
there wasn't.
It wasn't like oh God, there'sthis thing.
(11:15):
You know, it's like well, it'salready really great, and then
having you there with me like,oh my gosh, like it made it.
It made it even better.
So thank you for going.
That was fun.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Um, I got a text from you me and Sarah did last week
and, uh, I don't know if youwant to talk about it, so you
can say no and shut it down.
But, um, I was asking you howyour follow up appointment was
at the doctor's appointment andwe sublet doctor's appointments
here on the podcast.
So your text was I'm in thelate stages of menopause and I
(11:50):
thought, in order to piggybackwhen Jen DiPaula asked us please
talk about preparing menopause,et cetera, Do you have any more
insights that we might be ableto glean from?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Well, I do, I do and um, I I.
First of all, I'm like reallysurprised at this statement that
I am.
I am in the end stages ofmenopause, because I feel like
I'm just beginning, like I feellike whoa, what is this thing
called a hot flash?
And whoa, what is blah blah,blah, blah.
And what the doctor explainedto me is that really like it's
(12:26):
not so much about the levels ofthe different hormones in the
body, it's about the ratiobetween them.
Oh, interesting, and the ratiobetween testosterone and
estrogen in my body is great.
It is very, very great.
I have very high testosteroneand I have very low estrogen and
(12:48):
when I went and read about hightestosterone in women, it's all
the things I'm terrified of,like growing a beard and having
a deep voice like a man and youknow, like, like a lot of the
things that in the enlargeddowntown area, you know there's
yeah, yeah, it's like there's alot of things that I just I'm a
little bit afraid of, and ourdoctor explained to me that it
(13:13):
may just be a geneticdisposition.
It doesn't mean that, likeanything, is quote unquote wrong
, but it's just a geneticdisposition, and my ratios are
still out of whack, and so eversince then, I've been wearing a
estrogen patch.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
You're going to love it.
You told me that and I was like, oh, it changed my world.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, have you noticed a difference?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I don't know, and I was going to ask you, like what
do I need to be looking for?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Um, for me, if I'm not, if I forget to change my
estrogen patch or I don't changeit in time, so I guess, like
the medication on it isn't aspotent.
Um, there's just a random guywalking on the street, but I
realized it was Amazon.
Okay, hypervigilant moose, calmdown, hey guys.
Um, okay, so I realize when Idon't have it on, I immediately
(14:00):
am super hot All the time.
So it for me, it helps my hotflashes.
Has she put you on one click oftestosterone?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
No, she doesn't need it.
Her testosterone's up here.
My testosterone is really high.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I see right here, gotcha, I'm misunderstood that
the other way around.
Um, I'm on one click and so farno mustache.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
So wow, I am on no clicks and I've got a full on
mustache and beard At 42.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Well, I'm not saying that there aren't other hairs
that have popped up that I haveto take care of, golly guys.
Not down there up here thisbeautiful face, Kat didn't you
get an email about a tonguepiercing?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I 100% did.
Are we reading that on thepodcast today?
You're gonna read it to us?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Can we?
It's in the text thread and,sarah, I would like for you to
read it.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Okay, okay, great, this is from somebody that Kat
knows and this person wrote inand I had a lot of fun reading
this one, and so I hope that youguys do as well.
I have to say I was rolling asI was laying out by the pool
yesterday listening to y'all.
I could feel producer Sarah'spain, remembering the tongue
ring.
(15:17):
So it's the late 90s.
I'm teaching Swedish massage atthe school.
I have zero tattoos, a mulletwith a shaved side of head and a
nose ring.
I really wanted an eyebrow ring, to which my mom said no and
that she had a bad feeling aboutme getting one.
The school then said no morefacial piercings.
So a couple of my students hadgotten tongue rings.
(15:39):
They swore it didn't hurt atall.
These people are liars.
I thought well, it's not afacial piercing technically.
So one of my BFFs fill in theblank decided she wanted a
tongue ring too, Cause if thereare things to try, we are gonna
do them.
Off to the old hippie store inNashville called Stone Mountain.
We go in and I can't rememberwho went first.
(16:01):
The pain receptors fog thememories.
Yes, they do.
They did not use any gauze tohold my tongue.
What?
They wiped it to dry it off,but they pulled my tongue out of
my mouth with a pair ofhemostats, Then pulled that
needle out and popped.
That's what it felt like.
It sounded like.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Oh my God, like a squirrel popping under its car.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Like my, butt is numb , completely numb and popped it
through my tongue.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Oh, they put a long bar which is a shaft in my
tongue.
Oh, it is a shaft, yes, withthe two balls on each end.
They wouldn't put a shorter barin at the beginning to give
your room room for your tongueto swell?
Oh my God, so where am I?
(16:50):
So after they did it, I had tolay there for a few minutes
because it was always afterwardsthat my brain realizes what
I've done and smacks me for afew.
Now we didn't have pain for thefirst couple of hours but, mfr,
once the tongue startedswelling, look out.
I had my dearest client couplethat I'm known for over 30 years
now scheduled for out callsessions.
(17:11):
In two days I put ice in mymouth and ice chips because I
couldn't eat.
I tried to have a shake.
No, didn't realize how much Iused my tongue to freaking suck.
The next day came and I wasslurring words and sounded like
Cindy freaking Brady with mylisp Damn thing is swollen.
Now these clients had gotten toknow me pretty well.
So I call them and say I'm inso much pain and I need to
(17:34):
reschedule.
They have an answering machine.
Yep, they still got it.
They screen calls with it.
Again, it's the late 90s.
I start talking when theanswering machine comes on.
They pick up.
I say I need to reschedule andend up saying why, when asked,
oh, if I had dental work done,one of the couples said oh my
God, and the other well, theyhad quite a lot Like almost four
(17:57):
days of some of the mostexcruciating pain ever, more
than any surgeries.
Biting the ball of your tongueis real, cracking teeth is real
and getting caramel and suchstuck in the ball can be
uncomfortable.
Oh God, my friend over timetook hers out Me, absolutely not
gonna come out of my mouth.
I'll be 80 with this thing in.
I've even stretched a hole abit wider and the bar is shorter
(18:17):
, easier to control that sexualpart that I didn't know until
afterwards.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Oh my gosh no.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I thought that was not.
That was really interesting.
No.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I'm sorry, but I cannot understand what that
metal bar does and I don't wannaknow.
Like I don't think it's the bar, it's not the bar.
Wait, what is?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
it.
It's the ball underneath the,on the bottom and on top of the
tongue.
Oh my gosh, you guys.
Okay, thank you so much for theso secret shout out.
Thanks for coming to my tonguepiercing talk.
Hearing each of your voices inmy ears is truly special and I
love always feeling like I havea seat at y'all's table.
(19:06):
Blessings, and I love all youins, all you ins, you ins.
Oh, sorry, I had a brain fartmoment reading.
I think I went back to likethird grade, I felt like it too.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I was worried about you.
Oops, sorry, I thought you dida great job.
It was third grade.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
C plus, and I'm just wondering like do we still have
that third grader with us?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Oh, we didn't do parts work.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Probably she's, afraid.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well, I just want you to know that I have a lot of
affection and love for the thirdgrade C plus version of
producer Sarah.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Thank you, that's what I want to say oh, thank you
so much.
That's very sweet.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
And it makes me wonder if, like when we do shout
outs and things like that, isthat continuing to make us like
the best, most authentic podcastof the three of us, or have we
jumped the shark?
Do you guys know about jumpingthe shark?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
No, yeah, oh well, what is it?
What do you know about it, Miss?
Well, I've just heard thephrase that.
But tell us about it, Cause Idon't know well enough, but like
how have you?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
what context have you heard it in?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Oh, in business context, have you jumped the
shark?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well, where it came from is a really popular radio
announcer named John Hunn wastalking about an episode of
Happy Days where Fonzie youremember, fonzie, yeah wore
board shorts and his classicleather jacket as a water skier
and, in the episode, skied insuch a way that he jumped over a
(20:51):
shark.
That's where it came from.
That's where it came from.
And the radio announcer, johnHunn, said Happy Days is really
jumped the shark, kind of likeit has gone beyond what its
initial intent of a creativeendeavor is.
It's like we've gone too far,like we've kind of missed the
(21:13):
boat per se.
Yeah, and I thought it was justreally interesting.
I didn't know where the I don'tthink I've ever heard the phrase
used.
Well, I did hear the phraseused after the Grammys last week
, because there were a handfulof people and I know she's
completely untouchable andperfect in every way and there
were a handful of people in mylife who really didn't
appreciate Taylor Swift'sacceptance speech.
(21:35):
Yeah, I am one of them.
And so my friend said I wonderif this is the point at which
she jumps the shark?
And I was like, what the helldoes that mean?
Yeah, and that's, that's yeah.
So you weren't a fan either,huh, sarah.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
No, no, it was very self-serving.
She didn't need to do that Wellshe doesn't need to do that.
But she wanted, she wanted thebiggest audience.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Well, I agree, and let's talk about that.
Let's break it down.
There were two speeches fromTaylor.
The first one is where sheannounced her album coming in
April.
Yeah, and like, here's mythought, and listen, would I
have the same criticism towardsa man?
I want to first say yes, yes,and that's not always the case,
(22:18):
that often women get criticizedmore, but and I'm not, I love
Taylor.
So hear me say this I thinkshe's an incredible business
woman.
There's really only two thingsthat bug me about her.
One is the face she makes whenshe's on stage and people are
cheering, because it doesn'tfeel authentic to me.
And at the beginning I couldbelieve it, like if she really
(22:42):
wanted me to.
Now I don't believe it.
And it's this face she looksaround the stadium with her
mouth open, like in like.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I can't believe this is happening.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, but I just I it's not believable.
And I understand she's feedinginto the fans and all the things
, but I saw her on tour likemaybe eight years ago and had
really good seats and she didthat and I was like what the
heck are you doing?
So that's one thing.
And then the second thing isthis like this move to like make
(23:16):
announcements at the GrammysLike I want to be like you're
with your friends, bro, like theGrammys is like an industry
thing.
Yes, fans watch it, but let'sbe honest, the industry,
industry votes, the industryvotes, and so I know what you're
doing.
And yes, fans watch it, theywant to see Taylor, but like she
could have dropped that onInstagram without ever even
(23:37):
saying it.
She could have said, check outmy Insta and and boom.
But she.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I didn't feel like Celine Dion say it backstage for
her.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
We're not on that one yet Holy smokes, we're not on
that set It'd be all right.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Thanks to Sarah.
I'm the first one Just been inmy girl.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, I hear you though.
Okay, so let's anyone have anymore thoughts on the album drop,
because I'm with you that I Iwanted her to thank people, I
wanted her to, I don't know.
I just felt.
I'm not saying it was a badbusiness move, I'm just saying
it felt a little it wasself-serving.
(24:12):
Self-serving, yeah, and that isnot the platform for it.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
That is a platform for thank yous and gratitude and
honoring, etc.
Not look at what I'm droppingnext.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Well, I remember this is you know, seven or eight
years ago now.
I remember going to an eventthat we've talked about a few
times on the podcast, theChristian Music Broadcasters,
momentum.
I remember going to Momentum inthe first year that they did
the Wednesday night worshipservice.
I remember the artist whoperformed said something about
(24:43):
his current radio single, kindof in the middle of his set, and
and to me I kind of go likeyou're in front of most of the
industry's influential Christianradio programmers, these are
the people who you want to know.
This is your current single orthis is your next single.
Like why wouldn't you say thatto these people?
(25:05):
And it was a worship service.
So it's like is this the timeand the place to say that thing
to those people?
And I remember a rule beingcreated that we do not advertise
singles or album drops or stufflike that from stage during the
Wednesday night worship service.
(25:25):
Like I just I remember thatbeing such a big thing and me
not, I understood it like in mybeing.
I'm like of course youshouldn't do that, it's the
wrong place, it's the wrong time, and also like I can see the
business reason of wanting to dothat.
And so to me, I kind of lookedat it is a little bit.
(25:46):
I view Taylor Swift as largerthan life.
I view her as like one of themost amazing people and I was
reminded in that moment she'sjust as human as I am, and she's
just as insecure as I am.
And maybe is worried that nobodyis going to care about when
this record drops.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well, I also wondered did somebody tell her to say
that you know what I mean?
Like, look, she's not an idiot,she's probably in an eGram
three, so it's.
You know, this is a lot aboutwhat she puts forward.
But I had that same thought oflike, oh, that was uncomfortable
.
Oh, you're human, it's okay,it's not a big deal.
(26:23):
I mean, I didn't go to sleepthinking about it, I was like oh
, whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I did.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I went to sleep thinking about Tracy Chapman and
Luke Holmes, which really justTracy.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Chapman oh God Word, holy shit guys.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
It was so good.
I mean, I think that was just.
It was spectacular on severallevels because Tracy just showed
up in a pair of jeans, a blacktop that she got at Macy's, I
think, and just honored that.
Luke Holmes was a part of thissong, even though it's her song,
(26:59):
yes, and he the way.
I saw a meme that said I wantmy person to look at me the way
Luke Holmes looked at TracyChapman during Fast Car and he,
and it was very sweet.
You could tell it was all abouthim honoring her, which was
fantastic.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, I that that was probably, hands down, my
favorite moment ever on theGrammys.
Yeah, same.
So it just was so, so powerfuland I was thinking about, well,
why was that?
And it was like, well, thatsong was really, really a
soundtrack to some of my mostformidable years, you know.
(27:37):
So now being you know, 25, 30years older than I was when that
song came out, or even 35 yearsolder than when that song came
out, it just did.
You know how you always say ingood improv, moose, that a
comedian brings it back to youknow, something that you're
really familiar with from thefront of the, the, the routine
(28:00):
or whatever.
And I felt like that was like areal life Fibonacci spiral
moment of like this is happeningto me right now, like this is
bringing me back to thoughts andfeelings and emotions and stuff
that I had years and years andyears ago.
I thought it was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Me too, and I think she exudes what we were talking
about earlier, about like shejust seems like a quiet force in
this world Like this, this justher standing up there was the
statement singing her song witha white country artist, you know
(28:39):
like it was just somethingthere.
Like it wasn't lost on me Awhite male country artist.
Yes and her being a queer femaleartist in this industry.
Also, I would like to point outthat kind of what Luke Holmes
did with this song, bringing itback, which you know I was so
happy to see her version of FastCar rocketed to the top of
(29:01):
Apple Music and all the all theplaces.
But Brandy Carlaw did with JoniMitchell, which has been, you
know, a two year process of hermaking a record with Joni and
the story behind that's reallycool, because it's Brandy's wife
that it was the Joni fanactually and Brandy Carlaw was
(29:24):
like I never have really gottenher music.
And then her wife was like Iremember that from her book.
Yeah, if you're going to bemarried to me, you are going to
know Joni Mitchell, you know.
And to see Brandy's journeywith Joni, and to see Joni up
there at 80 years old after astroke and learning to have to
walk again, and all the thingslike that was so special, it was
(29:47):
really special.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, that was special, really really powerful.
We love the Grammys and it'sfunny to me that I went into
this year's Grammy Awards sayingto the people I was with I am
fully prepared to not enjoy theshow and to not Me too Finish it
Me too Like, cause I'm notinterested in anything that I
think is going to be done or isgoing to be said.
(30:09):
And performance afterperformance yes, after
performance Always.
And presentation afterpresentation.
It just was really.
I mean there were some weirdmoments and we all know what
those were, but for the mostpart, like I thought it was a
fantastic, fantastic GrammyAwards.
And you talking about TracyChapman and her kind of like
(30:31):
quiet strength just reminds mehow much I mean I love people.
I'm a people person, so I lovepeople.
I especially love really strong, awesome women and I really
especially love strong, awesomeblack women.
And I found out about a strong,awesome black woman this week
(30:52):
who I am so incredibly impressedwith.
Her name is Clarice Phelps.
Do you know about this lady?
No, no, talk to me.
So Clarice Phelps is the firstblack woman to contribute to the
discovery of an element on theperiodic table.
No way.
What is the element?
The element?
It's called Tennesseen andshe's from Tennessee State
(31:15):
University and she went into theNavy for four years.
She went to UT Austin and got amaster's degree in chemistry
and like nuclear stuff and allof this and she was a part of
discovering what is a fuck.
What's it called?
I should have written it down,it's OK.
Do a Google.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
So, while you're looking that up, can I ask
questions?
Yes, you're telling me thatwe're still adding elements to
the periodic table.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I thought once, I memorized it.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I was good I honestly am like oh, this is a thing I
mean.
It makes sense that we wouldstill be discovering elements.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, yeah, I thought the same thing when I saw this
news article.
I was at first like she's abadass, like she's so great, and
then I was like, wait, there'sstill elements, right, I feel
like I need a periodic table.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, we need a song in order to memorize them, so
she named it.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Oh, it's TS, oh TS.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
And what?
It's Tennessee.
Ok, that's really cool thatit's named after Very cool, our
wild and diverse state.
What is it?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Tennessee is a synthetic chemical element.
It has symbol TS and atomicnumber 117.
It has the second highestatomic number and joint highest
atomic mass Of all knownelements and is the penultimate
(32:49):
element of the seventh period ofthe periodic table.
And I believe it's a halogen.
Yeah, it's a halogen.
That's the word I was lookingfor.
It's a halogen.
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
What is it?
Like a lamp, like a light, likea chemical?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
The only thing I know about halogen.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Well, what is her name?
Again, let's give her moreprops, because that is fantastic
Clarisse Phelps, clarissePhelps, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Clarisse Bad ass.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Wow, holy smokes, that is incredible.
I don't even know Like what ifyour goal in life was to
discover an element Like that isthe opposite of who I am, my,
my, my goal in life is discovermyself, which does a lot right
like figure out who you are anelement, I am my own element.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Did you guys know that there is a zoo in San
Antonio that's letting you namea cockroach after your ex and
have it fed to an animal onValentine's Day?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
That is please send me.
Send me this please.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
It's San Antonio Zoo S a zoo dot org.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Honestly guys, wait, wait, wait.
I I almost said, we need totalk about this on the podcast,
and that just proves that thisconversation is what we would
have in real life.
Right yeah exactly.
Can you explain what you doagain?
You name the cockroach and thenfeed it to an animal on
Valentine's Day.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yeah, basically it's.
It's a okay.
Here's what it says be a partof the global sensation and ex.
Terminate your past and supporta noble cause with the Crimea
cockroach fundraiser.
Symbolically name a roach, rator veggie after your ex or not
so special someone, and the SanAntonio Zoo will help squash
(34:36):
your past, a true heartbreakhealer by feeding your selection
to an animal resident thefundraiser.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It's the best thing I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I want to find a marketing director that create,
or whoever.
I know some intern was like Ihave an idea and they ran with
it.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
It's brilliant, honestly so.
It's like a down digital,downloadable Valentine's Day
card that shows your support andit's like 510 or $25 donation s
a zoo dot org.
Guys, go, go support a greatcause.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Okay, but, but.
But.
What I want to know is do theyfilm the cockroach being eaten
by the animal and do you havethat?
Do you have that as like?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
a token.
I mean I could find a video ofa cockroach being eaten.
This is so great.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Okay, so, patrons, you're getting a chance to see
this.
Can you scroll back up for asec?
Oh yeah.
So I mean, this is incredible.
It's got like a broken heart.
San Antonio Zoo cry me acockroach fundraiser and the
little cockroach is looking atus and you can.
It's, this is incredible.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
It's the most brilliant thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
It's really smart, but I'm with you cat like.
It's sort of like what's theone where you get famous people
to like?
If it was my birthday cat youwould like by.
Oh yeah, I had a friend do LisaLoeb, where she sent me like a
birthday wish.
What is that called?
I know all of our friends areyelling.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
It's called another yelling at the windshield.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
It's like called me or no that's where you take
pictures of your feet and havepeople buy photos.
Gross, oh my gosh, it's true,like you show, like people be
like $15 for your right boob andyou send them a photo.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
I mean, I'm not $15 for that.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Well, I mean, it depends on the boo, I think
cameocom.
Thanks, cat, it's sort of likethat, but for cockroaches.
But I want a photo.
I want a photo, I want a video.
I want to send it to my ex.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
You know and be like.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I did this for you.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
This cockroach was named after you.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I actually, I don't want to do that.
I want to post that on socialmedia, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah.
I think that's the world.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Like this is for you, phil in the blank, and like
Phil huh, oh.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Phil, get it.
Phil, in the blank PhIL.
Okay, what if?
That would be great, if you'regetting a divorce like something
to send to your ex, like hey,thinking of you on this
Valentine's day.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, yeah, that's good, this is good.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I love the way we're putting love into the world.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
I mean one approach at a time time.
You guys could also send aveggie if you're vegan.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, you could, right, and I love that.
They give the opportunity foryou to send a vegetable, a
rodent or a cockroach, and thecockroach is is for the $5
donation, the veggie is a $10donation.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Oh, no, it's yeah, the roach is 10 bucks oh shoot.
That's expensive and G's fiveand a rodent's 25.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, so it's you know, I feel like we can do one
better.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
What if we?
Well, you pay us guys listeners.
You pay us $25 a cockroach.
Well, I don't know where tofind them.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Uh, I will feed a cockroach to an animal, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
We will pay you.
Oh yeah, we should add thatinto our patron.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Um, okay, if you're like once a month, we'll feed a
cockroach in honor of your oncea month.
That's a lot.
Once a year we're going to feedthe cockroach to someone.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
No, no, um, not related at all.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I felt like I should share um something that I'm not
going to see now, because itdoes not relate into what I just
said.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I was going to share a roomie poem that has inspired
me this week, but it justdoesn't feel right, it would.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
It does feel right, it actually does feel really
good.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Would you like me to read it?
Would you like me to?
Tine's day is full of mixedemotions.
I would love for you to read it.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
So I pulled this up.
It's, uh, one of roomies uhmost popular uh writings called
the guest house, translated byColeman Barks.
But it is inspired me this week, uh, to realize our emotions
are welcome, whether they'regood or bad.
And, uh, I'll let you read it.
It still doesn't feel right,but we're going to be who we are
(39:12):
.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Let's be, let's be who we are.
Um, if I'm going to throw up,if you keep.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
I won't, I won't stop screaming.
Sorry, everyone.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
It's nervousness.
This being human is a guesthouse.
Every morning, a new arrival, ajoy, a depression, a meanness.
Some momentary awareness comesas an unexpected visitor.
Welcome and entertain them all.
Even if they're a crowd ofsorrows who violently sweep your
house empty of its furniture,still treat each guest honorably
(39:42):
.
He may be clearing you out forsome new delight.
The dark thought, the shame,the malice.
Meet them at the door laughingand invite them in.
Be grateful for whoever comes,because each has been sent as a
guide from beyond.
Wow, so good.
That sounds like um what somepeople call problems, renaming
(40:05):
them as growth opportunities.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Oh, it sounds like you're on an eagram seven
reframing things.
I love it.
Hey guys, thanks for listeningto the cat and moose podcast.
Can you please tell yourfriends?
Yeah, don't be ashamed of us.
Tell your friends, give us somestars and thumbs up and things
yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Go review us.
Yeah, tell some people.
I've had a lot of people golike how can I help you in your
podcast and and, while money isgreat, like don't get us wrong,
like it helps us keep ourwebsites hacked and things like
that.
But yeah, we just support.
You know the cost.
What, what, what is better thananything in the world is is
word of mouth.
So if you love what we do, youtell somebody about it and know
(40:43):
that you are wonderful and youare welcome here with us as your
truest and most authentic self.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
With good lighting.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I have to tell you guys a quick story.
I had a very good friendconfess to me last night and say
I am ready to see cat and moosejust blow up.
I am, I'm, I love what you guysare doing.
The past episodes have been sogood.
And they said but I am in aspace where I cannot tell people
(41:12):
about you and I loved beingsomeone's secret.
It was really nice to be likehey I got it.
There may be people who cannothandle everyone.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
We're not for everyone.
We're not for everyone.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
No, we are not for everyone, and we're really proud
of that.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
That's right, and I really resonate with enjoying
being someone's secret.
That feels so tantalizing to aScorpio.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I know I bet it does hips forward, cat.
Hips forward, hips forward.
Have a great week everyone.
We love you.
Goodbye, love you guys.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Special thanks to our producer, Sarah Reed.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
To find out more, go to catandmosepodcastcom.
Catmose is a BP production.
Welcome to the Cat and Moose Podcast.
I'm Kat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is a True Life Podcast where we explore the
quirks of being human.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hey Moose, hey Kat, hey Sarah, hi guys, I would like
to start today's podcast with acomplaint.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Okay, oh great, I love that.
I love when we start in apositive note, always.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yes, because we're a positive podcast.
So I got a voice memo from youyesterday, moose, saying the
following I would like for youto bring your most authentic
self to the podcast and I wouldlike for you to pay attention to
the lighting.
I would like for you to payattention to your background,
(00:53):
etc.
Etc, etc.
It looks nice.
Yeah, I did, and it looks great, by the way it really does.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
You've really upgraded for this episode, I'm
sure.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Well, thank you.
I also am really struggling,though and this is the complaint
that I have, and it's notdirected toward you, moose, it's
just toward Sure feels like it.
I know I'm trying to back it upa little bit, and this is kind
of a question for all three ofus.
Even someone asks you to bringyour most authentic self.
(01:26):
What is that Like?
Because to me, my mostauthentic self is not looking
good and good lighting with goodmakeup on.
Like that makes me feel likeI'm having to like put on a
front or put on a thing.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I did not want you to put on a front.
I just needed great video.
Did I hurt your?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
feelings when I asked that you didn't hurt my
feelings at all, like itactually didn't hurt my feelings
at all.
It kind of took me on thisjourney of like what is bringing
my most authentic self?
And it made me just kind ofwonder, like what does that mean
to each one of us?
Like, what is it?
What does it mean?
(02:08):
Is it something that is visual?
Is it something that'sspiritual?
Is it something that's tangibleor intangible?
And it just kind of sent me onthis, like as most questions you
ask me do.
They sent me on this like justexploration of like what does it
mean for cat to be cat's mostauthentic self?
(02:29):
And I just I don't know.
I thought that your questioninspired a lot of very exciting
curiosity for me.
And what did you learn?
I learned that some of thereasons that I hold back and by
(02:51):
holding back like, like, I meanlike why do I not look like?
You know, I'm in great physicalcondition and I'm in great this
and great that or whatever it'slike a lot of the reason I hold
back and I said this in aninterview in college one time is
that I think I'm afraid ofsuccess.
I know that feeling.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
You know, you've always said that I don't, I
don't understand that and I'venever understood it.
I think I'm in denial aboutdoing the same thing.
Really, like what does thatmean you're afraid of because
this comes up?
We've talked about this withthe podcast.
We talked about this withbusinesses we've owned.
I would love to explore thisbecause I think I have it too
(03:33):
and I think I'm just in denialof it because, to me, the words
I'm afraid of success don't makesense.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
They don't make any sense.
They don't make any sense, andone of the things that I say
often in in my music career is Isay that human beings are not
created for fame and notoriety.
We can't handle it Like likethere.
(04:00):
There are very few examples ofpeople that I think everybody
just kind of goes like wow, thatperson's just got it together.
You know, it's like Tom Hankswould be one of those.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You know not.
If you ask the conspiracytheorist, they hate him.
Oh, that's true.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
But I'm with you.
He's like, as good as they getyeah, they do.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I mean, yeah, like Tom Hanks, julia Roberts, oprah,
jimmy Fallon, yeah like good.
They seem like good solid.
Sarah Reed who?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Oh, sarah Reed, sarah you are a very well rounded.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yes, famous person.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, I'm very, I'm very impressed, I'm very
impressed, sarah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Okay, so you guys both agree that you are afraid
of success.
Let's dissect that, or maybethat's not the right phrase.
Say it again, kat.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well, no, that is what I said and, in and to me,
like that's what I'm the mostcurious about, because it's like
, well, success has been definedas something different.
As I've aged, and I think thatI am entering into a time of
life and I think this is part ofkind of like the midlife crisis
, and all of that is that I'mactually less and less and less
(05:13):
afraid of success.
What success means to me hasevolved.
And what has it evolved from andto yeah well, I feel like
success is like you're a reallygood radio promoter, you're a
really good manager, you're areally good body worker, like
yay you, you should be famousand have your very own business
(05:35):
card.
You know, it's like that, to me, has felt like what I've been
striving for and what what Ithink that I have learned and
I'm still adjusting to is that Ithink what success really means
to me is is my kingdom safe andis my kingdom full of things
(05:57):
and people that bring out thebest in me?
Yeah, and to me, that'ssuccessful.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I would agree with that.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
And what that looks like and what that sounds like
is almost irrelevant.
You know, it's like it's moreof like just going, like okay,
it's not important that I'm thebest manager in the industry,
like that is important tosomebody and I really want to be
a great manager, but like Idon't need to be Scooter Braun
or whomever one might say is oneof the best managers in the
(06:26):
industry.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I don't think they would pick him at this point.
Well, I hear you, yeah.
At one point they did Okay.
So, yeah, I hear you so okaywith that.
Said, though, in relation toprojects you work on now, how
does that relate like thepodcast being successful?
Why does that scare you?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Well, the thing is is that it shouldn't, and it
doesn't, and so, like, by youasking me to step up my game and
use better lighting and and allthe things that that meant to
me, things you didn't say, but,like I was like, well, I better
put makeup on my hair, betternot look greasy, like I need to
wear a solid color t-shirt thatdoesn't say anything.
You know, it's like there wereseveral things that I thought of
that I was like this is whatstepping up my game looks like.
(07:12):
Yeah, and you know what?
Like, if I see something aboutour podcast out there on the
internet, I want it to look good.
Right, true, I want it to lookpro.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
What I find so interesting is that I I
experienced my outgoing voicememo to you as a pep talk and
you're describing you'redescribing it as a critical
Admonishment.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
What does admonish mean?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Like.
I'm correcting you Like, like,because I haven't had lighting
in in this office in a while.
So it was.
It was I was inspired by somethings I saw and then I went how
do we step it up?
This is what it could look like, very simply, and then that's
where the voice memo came from.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
That's so interesting .
Our perspectives are so, yeah,so incredibly different, and I
also, like I just did that thingwhere I like told you something
you did and then told you howit made me feel, and that's
really, really non-therapeutic,like.
That's like, oh no, I find it.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And I I am.
It's just interesting because Icame into it as I was like
talking to Sarah, we were on ourway back from this quick trip
that we were doing and I waslike this is where I want to put
my time and energy.
And it was that was the resultof it.
Was that voice memo?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, and when you said that you wanted this to be
a big part of our careers, thatmade me want to pound my chest
and like rip my shirt and and golike, yeah, I mean, it's like
every episode that I listened toyou.
I'm genuinely proud of me too.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Like genuinely proud of it.
I think we're our biggest fans.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Well, good, I mean, as it should be right.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Listen, here is, I have said since I started my
company my sort of secrettagline and it's probably just
my personal tagline in life iswhat if the truth is enough?
Mm-hmm, like, what if?
Like, especially when it comesto other people having opinions
(09:32):
like well, what if the truth isenough?
Like you can't really get meoutside of saying you disagree
with me if I'm telling the truth.
You know, and I think that iswhat we have going for us with
this threpple that we havecreated, whoa.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
The thing about a threpple is my understanding is
that it involves some sort ofphysical contact, and I haven't
seen you guys in like weeks.
That's not true.
You drugged me out.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, you drugged me.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So, Kat and I, if you I don't know if we've talked
about this in the podcast or not, but Kat and I have this
ongoing.
We started it, I think, lastmonth and we have this ongoing
thing of like hey, we both arenot the biggest fans of some
events we have to go to.
Now, that's not the case of theone I went with you, but
(10:29):
sometimes it's nice to have awingman when you go to like
industry events and so I I youcame with me to something and
then you invited me to come withyou, which I had a great time,
but I totally pulled anintrovert move and just like sat
at the bar while everybody waslike seated at tables.
Don't worry, I wasn't justdrinking, I was listening to
(10:52):
everything that was happening,but it was a really fun night.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
It was a really fun night and it's one of those
things where knowing that youwere going with me to that event
, it changed my whole.
It gave me a paradigm shift, itchanged my whole perspective
because, like it was a lovelyevent to begin with, like it was
there wasn't.
It wasn't like oh God, there'sthis thing.
(11:15):
You know, it's like well, it'salready really great, and then
having you there with me like,oh my gosh, like it made it.
It made it even better.
So thank you for going.
That was fun.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Um, I got a text from you me and Sarah did last week
and, uh, I don't know if youwant to talk about it, so you
can say no and shut it down.
But, um, I was asking you howyour follow up appointment was
at the doctor's appointment andwe sublet doctor's appointments
here on the podcast.
So your text was I'm in thelate stages of menopause and I
(11:50):
thought, in order to piggybackwhen Jen DiPaula asked us please
talk about preparing menopause,et cetera, Do you have any more
insights that we might be ableto glean from?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Well, I do, I do and um, I I.
First of all, I'm like reallysurprised at this statement that
I am.
I am in the end stages ofmenopause, because I feel like
I'm just beginning, like I feellike whoa, what is this thing
called a hot flash?
And whoa, what is blah blah,blah, blah.
And what the doctor explainedto me is that really like it's
(12:26):
not so much about the levels ofthe different hormones in the
body, it's about the ratiobetween them.
Oh, interesting, and the ratiobetween testosterone and
estrogen in my body is great.
It is very, very great.
I have very high testosteroneand I have very low estrogen and
(12:48):
when I went and read about hightestosterone in women, it's all
the things I'm terrified of,like growing a beard and having
a deep voice like a man and youknow, like, like a lot of the
things that in the enlargeddowntown area, you know there's
yeah, yeah, it's like there's alot of things that I just I'm a
little bit afraid of, and ourdoctor explained to me that it
(13:13):
may just be a geneticdisposition.
It doesn't mean that, likeanything, is quote unquote wrong
, but it's just a geneticdisposition, and my ratios are
still out of whack, and so eversince then, I've been wearing a
estrogen patch.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
You're going to love it.
You told me that and I was like, oh, it changed my world.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, have you noticed a difference?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I don't know, and I was going to ask you, like what
do I need to be looking for?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Um, for me, if I'm not, if I forget to change my
estrogen patch or I don't changeit in time, so I guess, like
the medication on it isn't aspotent.
Um, there's just a random guywalking on the street, but I
realized it was Amazon.
Okay, hypervigilant moose, calmdown, hey guys.
Um, okay, so I realize when Idon't have it on, I immediately
(14:00):
am super hot All the time.
So it for me, it helps my hotflashes.
Has she put you on one click oftestosterone?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
No, she doesn't need it.
Her testosterone's up here.
My testosterone is really high.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I see right here, gotcha, I'm misunderstood that
the other way around.
Um, I'm on one click and so farno mustache.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
So wow, I am on no clicks and I've got a full on
mustache and beard At 42.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Well, I'm not saying that there aren't other hairs
that have popped up that I haveto take care of, golly guys.
Not down there up here thisbeautiful face, Kat didn't you
get an email about a tonguepiercing?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I 100% did.
Are we reading that on thepodcast today?
You're gonna read it to us?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Can we?
It's in the text thread and,sarah, I would like for you to
read it.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Okay, okay, great, this is from somebody that Kat
knows and this person wrote inand I had a lot of fun reading
this one, and so I hope that youguys do as well.
I have to say I was rolling asI was laying out by the pool
yesterday listening to y'all.
I could feel producer Sarah'spain, remembering the tongue
ring.
(15:17):
So it's the late 90s.
I'm teaching Swedish massage atthe school.
I have zero tattoos, a mulletwith a shaved side of head and a
nose ring.
I really wanted an eyebrow ring, to which my mom said no and
that she had a bad feeling aboutme getting one.
The school then said no morefacial piercings.
So a couple of my students hadgotten tongue rings.
(15:39):
They swore it didn't hurt atall.
These people are liars.
I thought well, it's not afacial piercing technically.
So one of my BFFs fill in theblank decided she wanted a
tongue ring too, Cause if thereare things to try, we are gonna
do them.
Off to the old hippie store inNashville called Stone Mountain.
We go in and I can't rememberwho went first.
(16:01):
The pain receptors fog thememories.
Yes, they do.
They did not use any gauze tohold my tongue.
What?
They wiped it to dry it off,but they pulled my tongue out of
my mouth with a pair ofhemostats, Then pulled that
needle out and popped.
That's what it felt like.
It sounded like.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Oh my God, like a squirrel popping under its car.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Like my, butt is numb , completely numb and popped it
through my tongue.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Oh, they put a long bar which is a shaft in my
tongue.
Oh, it is a shaft, yes, withthe two balls on each end.
They wouldn't put a shorter barin at the beginning to give
your room room for your tongueto swell?
Oh my God, so where am I?
(16:50):
So after they did it, I had tolay there for a few minutes
because it was always afterwardsthat my brain realizes what
I've done and smacks me for afew.
Now we didn't have pain for thefirst couple of hours but, mfr,
once the tongue startedswelling, look out.
I had my dearest client couplethat I'm known for over 30 years
now scheduled for out callsessions.
(17:11):
In two days I put ice in mymouth and ice chips because I
couldn't eat.
I tried to have a shake.
No, didn't realize how much Iused my tongue to freaking suck.
The next day came and I wasslurring words and sounded like
Cindy freaking Brady with mylisp Damn thing is swollen.
Now these clients had gotten toknow me pretty well.
So I call them and say I'm inso much pain and I need to
(17:34):
reschedule.
They have an answering machine.
Yep, they still got it.
They screen calls with it.
Again, it's the late 90s.
I start talking when theanswering machine comes on.
They pick up.
I say I need to reschedule andend up saying why, when asked,
oh, if I had dental work done,one of the couples said oh my
God, and the other well, theyhad quite a lot Like almost four
(17:57):
days of some of the mostexcruciating pain ever, more
than any surgeries.
Biting the ball of your tongueis real, cracking teeth is real
and getting caramel and suchstuck in the ball can be
uncomfortable.
Oh God, my friend over timetook hers out Me, absolutely not
gonna come out of my mouth.
I'll be 80 with this thing in.
I've even stretched a hole abit wider and the bar is shorter
(18:17):
, easier to control that sexualpart that I didn't know until
afterwards.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Oh my gosh no.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I thought that was not.
That was really interesting.
No.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I'm sorry, but I cannot understand what that
metal bar does and I don't wannaknow.
Like I don't think it's the bar, it's not the bar.
Wait, what is?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
it.
It's the ball underneath the,on the bottom and on top of the
tongue.
Oh my gosh, you guys.
Okay, thank you so much for theso secret shout out.
Thanks for coming to my tonguepiercing talk.
Hearing each of your voices inmy ears is truly special and I
love always feeling like I havea seat at y'all's table.
(19:06):
Blessings, and I love all youins, all you ins, you ins.
Oh, sorry, I had a brain fartmoment reading.
I think I went back to likethird grade, I felt like it too.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I was worried about you.
Oops, sorry, I thought you dida great job.
It was third grade.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
C plus, and I'm just wondering like do we still have
that third grader with us?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Oh, we didn't do parts work.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Probably she's, afraid.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well, I just want you to know that I have a lot of
affection and love for the thirdgrade C plus version of
producer Sarah.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Thank you, that's what I want to say oh, thank you
so much.
That's very sweet.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
And it makes me wonder if, like when we do shout
outs and things like that, isthat continuing to make us like
the best, most authentic podcastof the three of us, or have we
jumped the shark?
Do you guys know about jumpingthe shark?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
No, yeah, oh well, what is it?
What do you know about it, Miss?
Well, I've just heard thephrase that.
But tell us about it, Cause Idon't know well enough, but like
how have you?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
what context have you heard it in?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Oh, in business context, have you jumped the
shark?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well, where it came from is a really popular radio
announcer named John Hunn wastalking about an episode of
Happy Days where Fonzie youremember, fonzie, yeah wore
board shorts and his classicleather jacket as a water skier
and, in the episode, skied insuch a way that he jumped over a
(20:51):
shark.
That's where it came from.
That's where it came from.
And the radio announcer, johnHunn, said Happy Days is really
jumped the shark, kind of likeit has gone beyond what its
initial intent of a creativeendeavor is.
It's like we've gone too far,like we've kind of missed the
(21:13):
boat per se.
Yeah, and I thought it was justreally interesting.
I didn't know where the I don'tthink I've ever heard the phrase
used.
Well, I did hear the phraseused after the Grammys last week
, because there were a handfulof people and I know she's
completely untouchable andperfect in every way and there
were a handful of people in mylife who really didn't
appreciate Taylor Swift'sacceptance speech.
(21:35):
Yeah, I am one of them.
And so my friend said I wonderif this is the point at which
she jumps the shark?
And I was like, what the helldoes that mean?
Yeah, and that's, that's yeah.
So you weren't a fan either,huh, sarah.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
No, no, it was very self-serving.
She didn't need to do that Wellshe doesn't need to do that.
But she wanted, she wanted thebiggest audience.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Well, I agree, and let's talk about that.
Let's break it down.
There were two speeches fromTaylor.
The first one is where sheannounced her album coming in
April.
Yeah, and like, here's mythought, and listen, would I
have the same criticism towardsa man?
I want to first say yes, yes,and that's not always the case,
(22:18):
that often women get criticizedmore, but and I'm not, I love
Taylor.
So hear me say this I thinkshe's an incredible business
woman.
There's really only two thingsthat bug me about her.
One is the face she makes whenshe's on stage and people are
cheering, because it doesn'tfeel authentic to me.
And at the beginning I couldbelieve it, like if she really
(22:42):
wanted me to.
Now I don't believe it.
And it's this face she looksaround the stadium with her
mouth open, like in like.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I can't believe this is happening.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, but I just I it's not believable.
And I understand she's feedinginto the fans and all the things
, but I saw her on tour likemaybe eight years ago and had
really good seats and she didthat and I was like what the
heck are you doing?
So that's one thing.
And then the second thing isthis like this move to like make
(23:16):
announcements at the GrammysLike I want to be like you're
with your friends, bro, like theGrammys is like an industry
thing.
Yes, fans watch it, but let'sbe honest, the industry,
industry votes, the industryvotes, and so I know what you're
doing.
And yes, fans watch it, theywant to see Taylor, but like she
could have dropped that onInstagram without ever even
(23:37):
saying it.
She could have said, check outmy Insta and and boom.
But she.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I didn't feel like Celine Dion say it backstage for
her.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
We're not on that one yet Holy smokes, we're not on
that set It'd be all right.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Thanks to Sarah.
I'm the first one Just been inmy girl.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, I hear you though.
Okay, so let's anyone have anymore thoughts on the album drop,
because I'm with you that I Iwanted her to thank people, I
wanted her to, I don't know.
I just felt.
I'm not saying it was a badbusiness move, I'm just saying
it felt a little it wasself-serving.
(24:12):
Self-serving, yeah, and that isnot the platform for it.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
That is a platform for thank yous and gratitude and
honoring, etc.
Not look at what I'm droppingnext.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Well, I remember this is you know, seven or eight
years ago now.
I remember going to an eventthat we've talked about a few
times on the podcast, theChristian Music Broadcasters,
momentum.
I remember going to Momentum inthe first year that they did
the Wednesday night worshipservice.
I remember the artist whoperformed said something about
(24:43):
his current radio single, kindof in the middle of his set, and
and to me I kind of go likeyou're in front of most of the
industry's influential Christianradio programmers, these are
the people who you want to know.
This is your current single orthis is your next single.
Like why wouldn't you say thatto these people?
(25:05):
And it was a worship service.
So it's like is this the timeand the place to say that thing
to those people?
And I remember a rule beingcreated that we do not advertise
singles or album drops or stufflike that from stage during the
Wednesday night worship service.
(25:25):
Like I just I remember thatbeing such a big thing and me
not, I understood it like in mybeing.
I'm like of course youshouldn't do that, it's the
wrong place, it's the wrong time, and also like I can see the
business reason of wanting to dothat.
And so to me, I kind of lookedat it is a little bit.
(25:46):
I view Taylor Swift as largerthan life.
I view her as like one of themost amazing people and I was
reminded in that moment she'sjust as human as I am, and she's
just as insecure as I am.
And maybe is worried that nobodyis going to care about when
this record drops.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well, I also wondered did somebody tell her to say
that you know what I mean?
Like, look, she's not an idiot,she's probably in an eGram
three, so it's.
You know, this is a lot aboutwhat she puts forward.
But I had that same thought oflike, oh, that was uncomfortable
.
Oh, you're human, it's okay,it's not a big deal.
(26:23):
I mean, I didn't go to sleepthinking about it, I was like oh
, whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I did.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I went to sleep thinking about Tracy Chapman and
Luke Holmes, which really justTracy.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Chapman oh God Word, holy shit guys.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
It was so good.
I mean, I think that was just.
It was spectacular on severallevels because Tracy just showed
up in a pair of jeans, a blacktop that she got at Macy's, I
think, and just honored that.
Luke Holmes was a part of thissong, even though it's her song,
(26:59):
yes, and he the way.
I saw a meme that said I wantmy person to look at me the way
Luke Holmes looked at TracyChapman during Fast Car and he,
and it was very sweet.
You could tell it was all abouthim honoring her, which was
fantastic.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, I that that was probably, hands down, my
favorite moment ever on theGrammys.
Yeah, same.
So it just was so, so powerfuland I was thinking about, well,
why was that?
And it was like, well, thatsong was really, really a
soundtrack to some of my mostformidable years, you know.
(27:37):
So now being you know, 25, 30years older than I was when that
song came out, or even 35 yearsolder than when that song came
out, it just did.
You know how you always say ingood improv, moose, that a
comedian brings it back to youknow, something that you're
really familiar with from thefront of the, the, the routine
(28:00):
or whatever.
And I felt like that was like areal life Fibonacci spiral
moment of like this is happeningto me right now, like this is
bringing me back to thoughts andfeelings and emotions and stuff
that I had years and years andyears ago.
I thought it was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Me too, and I think she exudes what we were talking
about earlier, about like shejust seems like a quiet force in
this world Like this, this justher standing up there was the
statement singing her song witha white country artist, you know
(28:39):
like it was just somethingthere.
Like it wasn't lost on me Awhite male country artist.
Yes and her being a queer femaleartist in this industry.
Also, I would like to point outthat kind of what Luke Holmes
did with this song, bringing itback, which you know I was so
happy to see her version of FastCar rocketed to the top of
(29:01):
Apple Music and all the all theplaces.
But Brandy Carlaw did with JoniMitchell, which has been, you
know, a two year process of hermaking a record with Joni and
the story behind that's reallycool, because it's Brandy's wife
that it was the Joni fanactually and Brandy Carlaw was
(29:24):
like I never have really gottenher music.
And then her wife was like Iremember that from her book.
Yeah, if you're going to bemarried to me, you are going to
know Joni Mitchell, you know.
And to see Brandy's journeywith Joni, and to see Joni up
there at 80 years old after astroke and learning to have to
walk again, and all the thingslike that was so special, it was
(29:47):
really special.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, that was special, really really powerful.
We love the Grammys and it'sfunny to me that I went into
this year's Grammy Awards sayingto the people I was with I am
fully prepared to not enjoy theshow and to not Me too Finish it
Me too Like, cause I'm notinterested in anything that I
think is going to be done or isgoing to be said.
(30:09):
And performance afterperformance yes, after
performance Always.
And presentation afterpresentation.
It just was really.
I mean there were some weirdmoments and we all know what
those were, but for the mostpart, like I thought it was a
fantastic, fantastic GrammyAwards.
And you talking about TracyChapman and her kind of like
(30:31):
quiet strength just reminds mehow much I mean I love people.
I'm a people person, so I lovepeople.
I especially love really strong, awesome women and I really
especially love strong, awesomeblack women.
And I found out about a strong,awesome black woman this week
(30:52):
who I am so incredibly impressedwith.
Her name is Clarice Phelps.
Do you know about this lady?
No, no, talk to me.
So Clarice Phelps is the firstblack woman to contribute to the
discovery of an element on theperiodic table.
No way.
What is the element?
The element?
It's called Tennesseen andshe's from Tennessee State
(31:15):
University and she went into theNavy for four years.
She went to UT Austin and got amaster's degree in chemistry
and like nuclear stuff and allof this and she was a part of
discovering what is a fuck.
What's it called?
I should have written it down,it's OK.
Do a Google.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
So, while you're looking that up, can I ask
questions?
Yes, you're telling me thatwe're still adding elements to
the periodic table.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I thought once, I memorized it.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I was good I honestly am like oh, this is a thing I
mean.
It makes sense that we wouldstill be discovering elements.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, yeah, I thought the same thing when I saw this
news article.
I was at first like she's abadass, like she's so great, and
then I was like, wait, there'sstill elements, right, I feel
like I need a periodic table.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, we need a song in order to memorize them, so
she named it.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Oh, it's TS, oh TS.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
And what?
It's Tennessee.
Ok, that's really cool thatit's named after Very cool, our
wild and diverse state.
What is it?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Tennessee is a synthetic chemical element.
It has symbol TS and atomicnumber 117.
It has the second highestatomic number and joint highest
atomic mass Of all knownelements and is the penultimate
(32:49):
element of the seventh period ofthe periodic table.
And I believe it's a halogen.
Yeah, it's a halogen.
That's the word I was lookingfor.
It's a halogen.
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
What is it?
Like a lamp, like a light, likea chemical?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
The only thing I know about halogen.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Well, what is her name?
Again, let's give her moreprops, because that is fantastic
Clarisse Phelps, clarissePhelps, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Clarisse Bad ass.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Wow, holy smokes, that is incredible.
I don't even know Like what ifyour goal in life was to
discover an element Like that isthe opposite of who I am, my,
my, my goal in life is discovermyself, which does a lot right
like figure out who you are anelement, I am my own element.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Did you guys know that there is a zoo in San
Antonio that's letting you namea cockroach after your ex and
have it fed to an animal onValentine's Day?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
That is please send me.
Send me this please.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
It's San Antonio Zoo S a zoo dot org.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Honestly guys, wait, wait, wait.
I I almost said, we need totalk about this on the podcast,
and that just proves that thisconversation is what we would
have in real life.
Right yeah exactly.
Can you explain what you doagain?
You name the cockroach and thenfeed it to an animal on
Valentine's Day.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yeah, basically it's.
It's a okay.
Here's what it says be a partof the global sensation and ex.
Terminate your past and supporta noble cause with the Crimea
cockroach fundraiser.
Symbolically name a roach, rator veggie after your ex or not
so special someone, and the SanAntonio Zoo will help squash
(34:36):
your past, a true heartbreakhealer by feeding your selection
to an animal resident thefundraiser.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It's the best thing I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I want to find a marketing director that create,
or whoever.
I know some intern was like Ihave an idea and they ran with
it.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
It's brilliant, honestly so.
It's like a down digital,downloadable Valentine's Day
card that shows your support andit's like 510 or $25 donation s
a zoo dot org.
Guys, go, go support a greatcause.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Okay, but, but.
But.
What I want to know is do theyfilm the cockroach being eaten
by the animal and do you havethat?
Do you have that as like?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
a token.
I mean I could find a video ofa cockroach being eaten.
This is so great.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Okay, so, patrons, you're getting a chance to see
this.
Can you scroll back up for asec?
Oh yeah.
So I mean, this is incredible.
It's got like a broken heart.
San Antonio Zoo cry me acockroach fundraiser and the
little cockroach is looking atus and you can.
It's, this is incredible.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
It's the most brilliant thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
It's really smart, but I'm with you cat like.
It's sort of like what's theone where you get famous people
to like?
If it was my birthday cat youwould like by.
Oh yeah, I had a friend do LisaLoeb, where she sent me like a
birthday wish.
What is that called?
I know all of our friends areyelling.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
It's called another yelling at the windshield.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
It's like called me or no that's where you take
pictures of your feet and havepeople buy photos.
Gross, oh my gosh, it's true,like you show, like people be
like $15 for your right boob andyou send them a photo.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
I mean, I'm not $15 for that.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Well, I mean, it depends on the boo, I think
cameocom.
Thanks, cat, it's sort of likethat, but for cockroaches.
But I want a photo.
I want a photo, I want a video.
I want to send it to my ex.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
You know and be like.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I did this for you.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
This cockroach was named after you.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I actually, I don't want to do that.
I want to post that on socialmedia, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah.
I think that's the world.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Like this is for you, phil in the blank, and like
Phil huh, oh.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Phil, get it.
Phil, in the blank PhIL.
Okay, what if?
That would be great, if you'regetting a divorce like something
to send to your ex, like hey,thinking of you on this
Valentine's day.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, yeah, that's good, this is good.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I love the way we're putting love into the world.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
I mean one approach at a time time.
You guys could also send aveggie if you're vegan.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, you could, right, and I love that.
They give the opportunity foryou to send a vegetable, a
rodent or a cockroach, and thecockroach is is for the $5
donation, the veggie is a $10donation.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Oh, no, it's yeah, the roach is 10 bucks oh shoot.
That's expensive and G's fiveand a rodent's 25.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, so it's you know, I feel like we can do one
better.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
What if we?
Well, you pay us guys listeners.
You pay us $25 a cockroach.
Well, I don't know where tofind them.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Uh, I will feed a cockroach to an animal, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
We will pay you.
Oh yeah, we should add thatinto our patron.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Um, okay, if you're like once a month, we'll feed a
cockroach in honor of your oncea month.
That's a lot.
Once a year we're going to feedthe cockroach to someone.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
No, no, um, not related at all.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I felt like I should share um something that I'm not
going to see now, because itdoes not relate into what I just
said.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I was going to share a roomie poem that has inspired
me this week, but it justdoesn't feel right, it would.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
It does feel right, it actually does feel really
good.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Would you like me to read it?
Would you like me to?
Tine's day is full of mixedemotions.
I would love for you to read it.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
So I pulled this up.
It's, uh, one of roomies uhmost popular uh writings called
the guest house, translated byColeman Barks.
But it is inspired me this week, uh, to realize our emotions
are welcome, whether they'regood or bad.
And, uh, I'll let you read it.
It still doesn't feel right,but we're going to be who we are
(39:12):
.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Let's be, let's be who we are.
Um, if I'm going to throw up,if you keep.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
I won't, I won't stop screaming.
Sorry, everyone.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
It's nervousness.
This being human is a guesthouse.
Every morning, a new arrival, ajoy, a depression, a meanness.
Some momentary awareness comesas an unexpected visitor.
Welcome and entertain them all.
Even if they're a crowd ofsorrows who violently sweep your
house empty of its furniture,still treat each guest honorably
(39:42):
.
He may be clearing you out forsome new delight.
The dark thought, the shame,the malice.
Meet them at the door laughingand invite them in.
Be grateful for whoever comes,because each has been sent as a
guide from beyond.
Wow, so good.
That sounds like um what somepeople call problems, renaming
(40:05):
them as growth opportunities.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Oh, it sounds like you're on an eagram seven
reframing things.
I love it.
Hey guys, thanks for listeningto the cat and moose podcast.
Can you please tell yourfriends?
Yeah, don't be ashamed of us.
Tell your friends, give us somestars and thumbs up and things
yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Go review us.
Yeah, tell some people.
I've had a lot of people golike how can I help you in your
podcast and and, while money isgreat, like don't get us wrong,
like it helps us keep ourwebsites hacked and things like
that.
But yeah, we just support.
You know the cost.
What, what, what is better thananything in the world is is
word of mouth.
So if you love what we do, youtell somebody about it and know
(40:43):
that you are wonderful and youare welcome here with us as your
truest and most authentic self.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
With good lighting.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I have to tell you guys a quick story.
I had a very good friendconfess to me last night and say
I am ready to see cat and moosejust blow up.
I am, I'm, I love what you guysare doing.
The past episodes have been sogood.
And they said but I am in aspace where I cannot tell people
(41:12):
about you and I loved beingsomeone's secret.
It was really nice to be likehey I got it.
There may be people who cannothandle everyone.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
We're not for everyone.
We're not for everyone.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
No, we are not for everyone, and we're really proud
of that.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
That's right, and I really resonate with enjoying
being someone's secret.
That feels so tantalizing to aScorpio.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I know I bet it does hips forward, cat.
Hips forward, hips forward.
Have a great week everyone.
We love you.
Goodbye, love you guys.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Special thanks to our producer, Sarah Reed.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
To find out more, go to catandmosepodcastcom.
Catmose is a BP production.
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