Embracing Love and Resilience After Loss

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:21):
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
Hi Julia.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Okay, there we go.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (00:47):
hear me.
Okay, I can't hear you.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Let me see can you hear me now?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
nothing okay, there, we go try that.
Yeah, it was on my side, mija.
Yeah, um, yeah, it was on myside, miha.
Yeah, yeah, it was on my side.
I'm getting to know all thisstuff, it's all right.
So I thought, yeah, you knowlike, okay, I'm going to go over
there where it says the mic,and then there's got to be where

(01:15):
I'm not hooked up to something.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, yeah, because I was like I just came off a
podcast so I know my mic isworking.
Sorry for being, uh, so late.
Uh, I was just speaking to umof a parent.
He calls it peregrine.
Have you ever heard ofperegrine?
Peregrine?

(01:39):
So it's a type of falcon, umand oh, a bird, yes.
Yet he uses a title peregrinefor those parents that have lost
their children, because there'sno real title for that, and a
bereavement child or a parentwithout child sounds pretty

(02:00):
dense and heavy, where aperegrine allows you to have
your wings and still soar andfly and be powerful.
So it's all about how you'reframing the grief and how you're
going to remember that, if youunderstand the other side of
love, that you can still be inconnection with them and they're
still here with you, maybe notin the physical form of the body

(02:22):
, but the spiritual aspect isstill there.
I created that title because hesaid when people would ask him,
like, are you a parent, itwould be difficult because it'd
be like, yeah, but or do youhave any kids?
And it'd be like, yeah, but Ilost, and then it would go into
the conversation, whereas if Ijust say this title, you already

(02:43):
know and then if you want toknow more, you'll ask, or you'll
just leave it the way it is,whereas the other way.
It just brought very superficialconversations with people.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
That's beautiful.
Yeah, yeah, you know what, miha, it's interesting, you share
that because, um, in the workthat I do, sometimes I work with
um, folks that have you know asparent, parents that have lost
children through what you know,baby, all the way up to you know

(03:21):
, and, um and I, I noticed thatthe and I'm not talking about
the father more often than notI'm talking with the mother and
more often than not, what I'llsee, they'll do one of two
things.
I'm sure there's many otherways that this goes Either the
mother will go into a state ofgrace I mean she will just say,

(03:42):
okay, you know this, I meanshe's grieving and she'll go
there and the other will implode.
You know, and, and I've had,and I'm right now, that's what
I'm going, not me personally, me, me, me, but my sibling, um,
she's where, you know, like wejust got the diagnosis, she's,
she's and she's got just a monthor two to live.

(04:06):
It just came all of a sudden.
I mean not all of a sudden, butfour years ago my niece died,
okay, and my sister took theladder and imploded because
they're, like, we don't knowwhere all this cancer came from.
She's full like, full, full,like there's no, going back, and

(04:26):
every she goes, I go to thedoctors, this and that, no,
whatever, and it just ate her upinside, yeah, because of the
grief, yeah, so yeah and yeah,and, and I, I hold those mothers
in great respect and honor andhow they be in life.

(04:51):
And, like my sister knows mywork and I do have the the I
don't have to say that I don'tknow how to say this.
This is one thing that I'm like, because I get to talk, story
with people in the nonphysical,people that have moved on or
whatever that's.
That's not a we're all going todo our rebirthing.

(05:13):
I her in the human realm, but Iget to visit with her the

(05:34):
moment it happened, the momentthis her and I.
I've been able to do that witha lot of yeah, but not everybody
understands that, especially amother of.
Yeah, but not everybodyunderstands that, especially a
mother yeah, and my well, mysister goes, she knows what I do
and she goes.
I'm not ready to talk to Aliciaand I said that's okay, miha,
you know, I mean not now, butwhen it all happened, you know

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she, she got the word out andtold my other siblings.
You know, tell Jules.
I don't know if I could talk toAlicia.
I don't know, you know I'm just, and here she is dying of
cancer and she never got that.
You know now she's going to,but it was, she just couldn't,
and I've.
That's been my experiencethrough the years.
Mothers will come to me and saycan I, can I talk to my son or

(06:17):
my daughter?
And I just, okay, yeah, let'sdo that, but in maturity don't
want to.
Let's do that, but in maturitythey don't want to.
It's too painful.
You know like, no, I can't dothat kind of deal.
I've only had a handful of youknow like maybe less than 10
that have said, hey, you know Ican do this and I'm like, okay,

(06:40):
yeah, siblings usually want tovisit with them and stuff like
that.
Right, yeah, so it'sinteresting, you have him before
because I'm with him.
I think it's just, you know, assoon as my sister says, yeah, I
lost my daughter or whatever,people start to get that look,
you know like that and nobodywants that.

(07:02):
Look, I don't anybody that youknow.
You know like and and nobodywants that.
Look, I don't know anybody thatyou know.
And energetically, vibrationally, when I've done groups, um,
those mothers in the crowd willlook at me and I can tell, I can
tell that they've lost theirchild and they'll come up after
and they'll say, you know, Isaid, yeah, I do me.
Huh, cause, you know, I, yeah.
And then they'll say, well, um,do you mind?

(07:24):
You know, if we sit over here Iwould like to talk to him and I
said, sure, let's, let's seewhat's going on here, or her, or
I'm not ready to talk to them.
Can I get your number when I'mready?
And those calls almost nevercome, yeah, yeah, Cause it's
just yeah, it's not part of the,it's not part of our the over

(07:47):
cultures, yeah, and in myindigenous culture there's no
difference, there's no.
You know you hang out with myfolks and meeting.
You know, when I'm hanging outwith whoever indigenous folks
like yourself, you know we sit,we talk story and they'll go, oh
, did Auntie so-and-so, comevisit you?

(08:07):
And I go, yeah, man, she'sbugging the crap out of me.
She told me to do X, y and Z.
It's more of a yeah, not thatthere's no grieving, there is
grieving, there's that honor ingrieving and, yeah, there is
definitely, whatever they do,you know, celebration, however
you want to call it Right, butthere's also that oh, did you

(08:29):
see him again, you know, or that, and I go, yeah, yeah, I said
let him bother you.
Now you know, so it they, theybecome part of the conversation.
You know they're not.
It's not something to fear.
And and no, no, nothing on thisclient, this podcast.
We don't have to make up a nameyeah yeah, because for the over

(08:53):
culture to understand that it'sit's, it's a movement, it's a
rebirthing, it's not a death,it's a death of the body,
definitely, yeah, yeah, and, andthat we're all going to do it.
And so I have to be carefulwhen I'm around certain folks,
even my own family, because Ihave a huge family and my sister

(09:15):
Rachel.
When we heard, I went up thereso I gathered all my medicine
stuff to give to my niece.
She has another, she has myniece left behind three children
, so my sister's been takingcare of them.
And so I thought, oh, I need tobring Jazzy's her medicine bag.

(09:36):
And then when I got there, Icould see my sister wasn't going
to make it through the nightand I said, hey, with your
permission, even though theyknow what to do, I don't just go
in there With your permission,I would like to scan her body.
And I said, hey, with yourpermission, even though they
know what to do with, I don'tjust go in there with your
permission, I would like to scanher body.
And then that's when I said, ohfuck, she's full of cancer.
I wasn't going to tell that toJazzy, hell no.
And I wasn't going to be theone bearing the news.
I let the doctors take care ofthat, but we, I did my thing,

(09:57):
that I talked to my sister andthen I said, okay, sis, it's up
to you.
You know you're going to makeit through the night or not.
And so she did, and then wefound everything.
But my other siblings are notready to hear any of that, you
know, it's just it's too.
Even though they know my work,they're in the grieving of

(10:23):
finding out she's full of cancer.
Yeah, and I've had a reallychallenging time most of my life
, because it's not that I wantto pull them into that, but I
just want to share with them.
There's more than what'shappening right now, but it's
too much grief and I get it.
So I do my best to stay quiet.
And if my sister comes to me orsomebody else comes to me,

(10:45):
because right now my mom and allthe relatives and ancestors and
so on are preparing for mysister and it's actually
beautiful, you know it's like mymom comes in and goes hey, mia,
you know I said, okay, yeah,that's that looks good.
You know, blah, blah, blah,blah, you know it's.
And then I go to the hospitaland just there was a big blow

(11:08):
out at the hospital last night.
Everybody's emotions wereeverywhere and people were
yelling at each other.
And I go fuck, you know.
I just said I'm out, I'm out,you know I'm out.
And so then they said novisitors for three days.
I said I'm out, you know, wedidn't get three days.
I said I'm out.
You know, we didn't get to seeher because of what was

(11:28):
happening before we even gotthere.
And I'm like, not that it couldbe easier.
I just thought I, I don't, I'mhere to help it's.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I think it can be easier I think that's the proper
word um it can be more softerit can be more here it can be
more um, taking our time with itand not avoid the emotions and
the depths of I'm projecting andtrying to do blame rather than
feel your own experience andremember that we're a community,

(12:01):
we're a family, we're acommunity, we're a family, we're
a collective, so you knowallowing that.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
There there are.
I guess they call them deathdoulas or something like that.
Yeah, and I actually readsomebody, this gal, amazing.
I read her book and listened toit and I kind of went oh okay,
that's you.
You recognize that, that's youwell, I do that, I do the doula

(12:29):
thing, you know, but it not andshe's doing it professionally
and it's and has worked with she.
Does it different?
Yeah, she did.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, that you understand.
You've been holding the space,you just haven't done it in a
professional way professionalway, but that's in your essence
that you understand all this, soyou're looking at them like um
like.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
This is natural to me yeah, I just want to help and
and and, and.
This isn't my first rodeo withmy family because, you know,
when they want something or needsomething, I'm not a crystal
ball, that's what I keep saying.
I'm not a crystal ball, I'm nota psychic, that's not.
That's what the overcoach, I'ma curandera, I'm a seer and so
yeah.

(13:14):
But the gal that I can'tremember her name, but after
we're done I'll send it to you.
She's really cool.
I think she's badass in so manyways and I don't use that very
often, but she made me gigglebecause how I see everything,
you know, she's very notclinical, she's very beautiful
and kind and all that.
But she's mentioned about whenpeople are leaving, and this is

(13:37):
the truth their relatives startcoming in the non-physical and
so she goes.
I don't want to see dead people, I just don't want to.
I don't even know what that'sabout.
No, she was funny, you know.
And she, because she sayseverybody ask her what's on the
other side and she goes.
I don't know, you know, she'sjust trying to keep them
comfortable and whatever theshe's also a lawyer, helps them

(13:58):
with all their paperwork andstuff.
So she's a girl.
Yeah, yeah she's.
She's got a business and shetrains other death doulas or
life doulas or whatever you wantto call it, and I think it's
great.
But I wanted to email her andsay, because she goes, nobody
knows what's on the other side,and I go, I do, I really do,
that's my jam, I probably will,because I just read it last week

(14:23):
or something or the week before, and I go go, oh, this is
really interesting.
But and then I go, yeah, I knowwhat's over there.
Why did she say that?
You know, and there's otherfolks that know.
Yeah, I mean what?

Speaker 2 (14:34):
yeah, you're up to it and you're not stuck in the
perception that the world hascreated this little box, that
you understand the spiritualityand you understand nervous
systems, create other nervoussystems.
They have spirit and if youtune your radio you can get the
transmission from.
I say, the other side of love.

(14:55):
Like people think that is someevil thing, where it's like no,
it's all love.
It's just this perception ofputting black and white with
things, where it's like you'renot understanding, you know the
impermanence of life and theevolutions of it.
You say the rebirth, some peoplesay karma, some people say the
resurrection, and it's likewe're all talking yeah, yeah,

(15:19):
the ruler of no.
My way is the only way, andit's like that's crazy.
Freaking and you know what, inthe conversation just before he,
he blended something for mebecause he said with grief
there's a mourning aspect, andmourning there's nothing you can
do, you just.
But then there's this thinlayer that you go through and

(15:40):
then you're in the grief and youcan do something and you, you
use purpose and it's alwaysthere and I'm like that's the
thing is pain and suffering.
Like there's a part whereyou're stuck in suffering but
you're just rocking in therocking chair, just looping and
not getting anywhere.
Yet then you decide, okay, nomore of this, and you go and you
use your pain for purpose.

(16:01):
So I'm like we, we have theseexperience that can help us to
understand the nervous systemand that negative bias it stays
in.
Yet there's something beyond.
Yet the world will make us feelthat you're woo and those
things don't exist and you'regoing into some dimensions that,
oh, we don't, you're out oftouch of reality and it's like

(16:22):
you just got what it is to behuman and and what this blending
of the human and spiritualityaspect um and open up this, like
to think that a life force thatis like the body is so
complicated that we still don'tknow like one-tenth of what all

(16:43):
the brainall these things go on and to
think that the life force andthe spirituality is only limited
to, like some babies are bornand they don't even take their
first breath yet there was alife force that was going on in
the womb.
So to really, you know, blendthose yet again.

(17:06):
You know, those that have thenarrative of creating you in a
box.
They get to capitalize on yourfear of thinking there's a limit
where not being able to be inthat limitless and trusting in
your experience and feeling allof your emotions, not doing yet

(17:28):
also being responsible that itdoesn't hijack your behavior and
that's going to be messy, yetit takes safe spaces, sacred
spaces of okay.
You got to start feeling andacknowledging, and it's going to
be a bit of a rough ridebecause your body's never felt
these kind of energies.
You've been, thank you,drinking or or numbing or

(17:50):
yelling at other people or aregoing where it's like you're
going to navigate differentlywith this so you can come into
your body um and and and honoryour humanness.
And yeah, I'm sure for you itmight.
For, like me, just interpretingfor your like a kind of mind

(18:10):
fuck.
For myself, I'd be like we areall from the same family, same
blood.
And why is it that I'm tappinginto this and you guys have the
same thing?
It's not like I'm an alien thatlanded somewhere else, like
this is part of our group.
How did you become so asleep tothis?

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Exactly.
Yeah, you know, miha, I wasthinking about you, you know,
before this.
No, I was thinking about youand you were talking about the
nervous system and how you knowthe hijacking and all of that.
Check this out, matt.
I mean, I know you have anunderstanding because I've
shared it with you.
I talked to the non-physicalrealm 24, seven.

(18:50):
That's how I came in.
I don't know what it feels likenot to have them, right, and my
body, my human body, stillhijacks me.
I still go into that effingloop and I go, but I know it's
happening.
You know, I know.
Oh gosh, julia, you're in a.
You know, like in my, I saidstop and I go, okay, okay,
breathe.

(19:10):
You know like that, you knowbreathe, julia, go back to your
breathing.
I go and then I go intojudgment.
You know better.
You see angels every day.
You talk to your, yourancestors.
You do this, you see this, youcould see everything and you're
still doing this and then mynon-physical peeps go.
But you have a human body andyou've had experiences in that

(19:32):
human body and that human bodyis responding to external
stimuli, except the fact thatyou are a human Period.
Does that make sense?
You know, like you just saideverything you said, right.
So.
So that's where the compassionfrom self comes.
First, you know, I go, okay, Ineed to be compassionate.

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Then I look at my family and itwas a really shit show last
night, a horrible shit show, andI just went and I thought, oh
my gosh, compassion for them,because I wasn't.
I'm not.
I came in late, so I didn'tknow what the shit show was, you

(20:16):
know, and I'm trying to figureout what's going on, right?
And then when I find out, I getangry and I have to go take a
walk and I'm like it's fuckinghot out here and my daughter's
gone.
Are you okay?
I said no, I'm not okay.
What the hell, what the fuckwas that?
And then, and then I'm sure youknow this here, so the room that
we were in is the ICU waitingroom, and then a couple other

(20:37):
people came in and they'rehaving marital problems big time
, and so I'm just talking to thefemale who happens to be my
daughter-in-law, and she's veryintuitive.
She's just got a and she'shurting, and a word was said and
she loses it.
And I go oh, not about mysister, but about her situation
and she's yelling and screamingand I'm going, what the fuck?

(20:59):
And I'm just sitting there withmy mask, going oh God, and then
my son goes what the hellhappened?
And I go leave Because I wasconcerned, my daughter and I was
going to do something to my son.
It just got crazy and I justwent and then later I told my
daughter.
I said, you know, the room wasalready amped up and when she
walked in, all her pain andsuffering came up and she just

(21:23):
threw up whatever hers andeverybody else's.
And my daughter goes yeah, Iget that and I go.
Well, I'm glad you do, becauseI was upset with her.
But then I also knew she walkedinto something that wasn't good
.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Kind of deal.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Already you're dealing with everybody else's
energy and nervous systems thatare seeing death.
It's the one function don't die.
So you are on high activationalready because it's like the
dark turn.
I don't want this.
It's gonna.
Our world is going to bedisrupted, our whole universe is
going to implode and explode,and so until you understand,

(22:05):
like, oh, this is going to be areaction, like and call it out,
acknowledge it and then justmove more slowly with it.
Yet if you have all theseruptures already that are going
on, that haven't been addressed,then this is just like oh, we
got to be honest and justfreaking puke, like you said,

(22:28):
all of our stuff.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
You know how that emoji looks like, with the throw
up Yep, Yep, Because I couldsee frequency and energy and I'm
watching her and I hadcompassion for her.
I really did.
I was just like cause she keptlooking at me and saying this is
not about you, I'm not yellingat you, and I got that.
But she was yelling at me, Iwas, you know, like you know,

(22:50):
and she's saying things about myson and I go well, fuck, TMI,
TMI.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
You know I don't want to know all that, but the
position I am, I'm here tocomfort you, but remember, I'm
the mother of this child too.
So it's's like I'm trying to besubjective, I'm trying to act
like, and it's like I'm tryingto not take this personally too.
Yeah, and it's, it's a.
These are the tools, these arereally and see how the dynamic

(23:15):
of being human and beingspiritual and that's why it's
called exactly radicalcompassion, exactly, it has been
radical, sometimes, like thecompassion of it and it's like
whoa, oh my yeah yeah, that'swhy when I, I list, I list, I
haven't listened to art.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
You know the other, you know back and forth, but
I've, I've, I'm following youand I'm listening to on on
instagram and stuff and stuff,and I'm and I'm going you.
This is the way I kind of lookat.
You know our matrix, if youwant to call it, here on the, on
this planet, you know, like atapestry, and the one thing I do

(23:57):
not scribe to is that I haveall the answers and and I think
that's, I think that's what alot of folks do when they're
psychics and somehow and otherthings get on there and there's
somebody from somebody sayingblah, blah, blah, this is the
way it's going to go, and I'mlike, I'm not, we're all part of
it, you know.
So I, you know, I, I think Iwas thinking about you and I
thought, wow, she reallyunderstands the body and the

(24:21):
nervous system, and that'ssomething I mean I've been
working on all my life and Iunderstand it.
But and I love to hear about it, because when I get hijacked, I
know it's not about me or otherpeople get hijacked.
Yeah, it's about having acontainer for self and having

(24:44):
compassion for self first, andthat's a tough one If you're
supposed to be the matriarch oryou're leading a family or
whatever right, and everybody'slooking to you or they're not
looking to you or whatever right.
Yeah, I'm like because I didthink about and this is kind of
interesting, I was thinkingabout your work, right, and
that's when all this stuff, andI'm like, okay, guys, help me,

(25:07):
and they'll go.
You know, remember your nervoussystem, you know, because I'm
sitting there as she's throwingup, as everybody's throwing up,
and then I kind of farted hereand there because this morning I
go well, I probably shouldn'thave said that, but I don't know
.
You know like, yeah, and I'mtrying to do this, and that you
know, I'm like okay, and thenI'm thinking, see, this is the
thing.
I never go against my gut, ever, very seldom I do that.

(25:31):
Um, there's seven females thisone, that's passing, she's a
year younger than I.
The youngest one called us upon Monday when everybody got the
news and just was all upset,called everybody upset.
You guys need to be here, andI'm like two hours away, yeah,
so, depending on traffic, areyou in?

Speaker 2 (25:51):
where are you again?

Speaker 3 (25:53):
I'm in Pacifica, like 15 minutes South of San
Francisco, yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
I am going to connect you with somebody.
I think she's still.
Where's Berkeley?

Speaker 3 (26:06):
oh yeah, it's just over the over there.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I'm going to connect you my friend Roxabeth um what's
her last name?
Um, she, it's a she.
Um, she can't remember rightnow, but she's from and her
thing with death.
Is she called?

Speaker 3 (26:29):
she has it the hummingbird oh yes, mija, I know
about the hummingbird and so Imean, I'm not saying I know
everything.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, no, no I'm going to connect you because
you're very proximity and maybethere might be some language
that she's able to give you tonavigate through that, because
when it's subjective it'sdifficult to hold that space and
be in my family dynamic.
I'm just gonna expect the two ofyou guys for that, because I'm
like there's no coincidences ofoh no connections are and what

(27:00):
you're going through right nowand all that, and like she says
like she's had to navigate inher own and she's like with
other people I know this jamlike I'm no problem, but in my
own I'm like getting distortedand kind of fumbling where it's
like, and then I'll just remindher and she's like, yeah, this
is where I need to be and andremember, like you know

(27:22):
regulating her nervous system.
So, yeah, I after, I'm gonna,um, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, the
hummingbird, I'm sure you knowregulating her nervous system.
So, yeah, I after, I'm gonna,yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah, the hummingbird .
I'm sure you know that that'sour dragon yeah.
Yeah.
Started off with.
I'm one of my good friends,jacqueline, that's passed in
2019.
As you know, when she, when I'm, she's like damn she, she hurt
me so many times, me in a, in afunny way, you know, like you
know, hey, julia, you get youract together.

(27:52):
You know whatever.
So when I'm lost, all of asudden, the hummingbird because
there's there's, you knowthere's here, but there's one in
particular, a black one, she'sa sister, and she, there's
beautiful black hummingbirdcomes.
I said, oh girl, you'd be comingin your skin.
I know she cracks me up.
I said you didn't put no colorin there.
She goes, uh-uh she, she was apower lifter and a dancer and

(28:14):
traveled the world dancing andkundalini, uh, went to Africa.
I mean, she was still amazing,but you know so, when I'm
struggling all like all the time.
And then when I did theceremony for my sister, she goes
, because when I go in,sometimes I don't know what's
going to come out.
And I said, hey, jacqueline,we're in ICU, got permission

(28:35):
from my niece and her sons, butthere's doctors coming in and
out and let's get this on thelow.
And she guided me through theceremony and I said, okay, cool,
thank you, sis, she goes I gotyou.
I got you and I agree with you.
My nervous system is getting abeating and I need to be a

(28:57):
constant aware of that, becausewhen I go in, I have the
tendency to forget about my body.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
You're rescuing everybody else and holding the
space for everybody else andforgetting you need your own
sacred space to be able torelease, because this is part of
your story also.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, because I could miss it.
I don't know if I miss it, butI just don't want to hurt my
body anymore, unconsciously, Imean, I don't you know, cause,
yeah, I never really thoughtanything too much about the
human body, I'll be honest withyou, just till not too long ago,
yeah.
So I'm like huh, I mean, Iunderstood it intellectually.

(29:36):
That's a whole different thing.
You know, I could talk toanybody about the body
intellectually without you knowI'll go.
Oh, I'm in my head again aboutthat.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Okay, honey, Come on, honey body again and remember
me.
It's like, oh, you kind of beenavoiding me.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yeah, so I've been liking some of your Instagram
goodies, and how cause you dosomething very different?
I mean, I mean it's unique, new, new.
You do something very different.
I mean it's uniquely yours, butit is, and I like it.
It's because how do I put this?
It's so natural.

(30:16):
There's not a lot of, becausesometimes I go, man, maybe I
should do it this way.
The human brain kind of goesmaybe I should.
And then all some of them,these podcasts that I listen to,
there's a pitch about something, but yours is purely.
I've been seeing Okay, we'relagging.

(30:38):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, so, anyways, yours.
I mean, I do the informationalstuff too, here and there.
You're right, yeah.
But um, and I've noticed, whenI've done similar what you've
done, you know, in my own way,where it's just me talking story
about something, something, um,I go, oh, people go, man, that
was so genuine, that was so, youknow, blah, blah, blah, and I

(31:00):
go, yeah, yeah, and I go, oh, Isee what they're talking about,
because that's what yours arelike.
I just wanted to share thatwith you Because I wanted to see
, yeah, I wanted to see wherethis might go.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
We're lagging, again, we're lagging.
Just hear me, I didn't hear anyof that, you know.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
So it's in a bucket.
I didn't hear any of that.
It could be my aunt's rooms,okay, sometimes we have to turn
the cameras off.
Okay, let me get on here.
Um, can you hear me?
I can hear you I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Um yeah, it goes into .
I didn't hear anything you saidabout my podcast or any of that
, so i'm'm like, oh, is it thatI am not to hear this stuff?
And then my ego gets boosted orsomething.
I don't know, because anytimeyou talked about me it just goes
funky.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Helps with.
Let me see Helps with some.
Okay, I was typing something.
Sometimes if I turn the cameraoff, yeah, we don't helps with
some.
Okay, I was typing somethingSometimes if I turned the camera
off.
Yeah, we don't get interruption.
Yeah, cause I'm in a Valley,it's really kind of I I'm doing
the best I can.
I'm just going to say thatyou're beautiful.
I love all your Instagram postsand how you're doing it, and

(32:41):
it's very clear about what yourpath and mission is.
So just wanted to say that,yeah, I hope it's.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
it's giving you some tools for yourself to navigate.
Oh, yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah, you're.
You know, I think I find it's achallenge.
People talk about, you know,having humility and and, and in
that humility, people thinksomething, something else, and
it's humility means to beteachable, you know, and to
learn.
Yeah, and I've always.
Well, yeah, yeah.
But again, if, if you have thetendency to go into your head,

(33:17):
which I do at times for the body, because, oh, that looks really
great, I love science and Ilove all that good stuff, so I
have to be careful and so yourdelivery makes it so that, oh,
okay, she's here to be part ofmy healing, she's not trying to
tell me what to do and I, when Ithink that's a human condition

(33:39):
and I've been this way, mysisters were all loaded with
that, you know it's, it's aboutI could take care of myself, I
can do it.
You know, I watch my siblingsand I go ooh, ooh, and I tell
them I said, ooh, shit, they gowhat?
And I go, oh, you know, Ialways say are you open to hear
what I'm going to say?
Because you know, and they go,yeah, sure, and I tell them they

(34:08):
go, and they started fightingme on it.
I said, no, whether you hearthis or not, but I, I see it and
I thank you for showing mesomething about myself.
And they go.
Is it?
Are you saying I'm bad?
I said no, you do your thing,I'm just noticing me, that's all
.
That's all.
It's not even a judgment, it'sjust.
I need to be aware of it.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, and I have that .
Me and my mother aresupercharged right now, and
anytime we come around eachother it's like there's.
I'm very aware of her innerdialogue and it's always been
projected out to me as criticism.

(34:44):
So you and you and you and I'vebeen hearing it, and then I come
to defend myself and thensometimes I remember this isn't
about you, like this is just howshe speaks, but you're taking
it personally and I'm I'mworking at not taking it
personally, which I'm stillfalling in these freaking
pitfalls, because I'm like beingtaught like, oh, you still, you

(35:06):
still got some learning, eventhough you know other people are
like oh, you're so amazing andyou get it.
And I'm like, oh, I'm stilllearning because you know our
closest are what activate us andshow us certain parts.
The twins they could tell you adifferent part of the neurotic
mom that shows up and everythingelse, tell you a different part

(35:26):
of the neurotic mom that showsup and everything else.
And and I can see some of theenergetic stuff that I'm still
passing down, that my mother putinto me, that I'm like working
really hard not to put on tothem.
Yet there's just this energytransference that just is
palpable and so addictive and sofamiliar that it's like that I
know not to be in this and it'slike jump out and it's like, oh,

(35:50):
you made me laugh, so addictingbecause it is.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
It's a, it's like, it's like you.
You know, no, I'm with you, mia, because I'm the same way.
I'm like, oh, let me grab that.
Oh, no, don't grab it.
You know, there's this wholedialogue because it's like and
when you said it's not about me,totally the whole, those whole,
since friday, my peeps aregoing.
This is not about you, julia,this is not about you, mija.

(36:14):
You know, blah, blah, blah.
What about?
You know it's not about you andI go, but it is, and that's the
nervous system.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
that that's the nervous system of the defense
mechanisms and it's having toreshape it and stretch it.
And it's like, wait a minute.
You are forgetting to feel andbreathe into this experience so
that you aren't having to defendyourself, like what happened
before isn't happening now.
So you're not seeing theexperience, you're just going by

(36:47):
what was familiar in a previousexperience and you're bringing
that here right now rather thanjust being presence exactly you
just be presence and it's likewhy is so easy with other people
?
why does god be so difficult?
My own family?
Well, because you're actuallyin your direct reflection
exactly whatever.
The more skin you have in thegame, literally the more we

(37:09):
react oh, my god, and I'm like,oh, and then when I I go out
there, I feel like a fraud withsome people, because I'm like if
you were to talk to like one ofthe boys this morning, they'd
be like, yeah, being so nicewith you, because, cause, that's
not what I got Like and I'mlike that is true, Like I'm like

(37:30):
, but you just aren't doing what?
and it's like, there you goagain with the you statement and
you know you statements, youcan, and it's like how do I read
?
Learn a language in this?
And that's my learning too, andthat's why I never want to ever
give the experience that I'msome expert, that I'm some guru,

(37:52):
and I also make sure that myego doesn't get inflated, that
it hijacks and recognize like,wait a minute, just like me,
everybody else is experiencing.
I just am a little bit furtheralong the path so I can let them
know it's safe to come downhere, it's okay.

(38:13):
I traveled this aspect.
But this isn't like you know,it's not a vertical, it's a
horizontal.
We're all on the same plane,it's just.
I went a little bit further inthe wilderness because I was
courageous enough to go in thereand I'm letting you know
there's a lot to experience.
Yeah, it's going to activatesome stuff, yet you're not

(38:35):
seeing the possibilities of newexperiences and flourishing in
places of your potential thatyou just having allowed to
develop.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Um, yeah, no, I hear you, because what you're sharing
, that um and again, it's, it'ssemantics or, or you know,
you're, you're one one'sterminology or whatever, and and
most of my language came frommy non-physical beings and it's
very simple and plain, right?
So I mean I've done a lot ofreading, blah, blah and whatever
, but you know, I never reallycared for and you didn't use

(39:09):
this, but most people do.
You know, low frequency or highvibration.
I don't care for that.
So I asked, I sat down with mypeeps and I said this is like a
long time ago and I said, hey, Idon't like that.
Was there another way I couldshare that with?
And then that you know, theywere showing me stuff and I kind
of went, oh, okay, so becausein the, in the non-physical

(39:30):
realm of being in that realm,there there is no right or wrong
, there's just is in the humanrealm, there is because we have
a brain and we put things intocompartments, right, that's just
what we do.
Yeah, exactly.
And so they said, when you'rein a, you know, they kind of
took me into different spots andplaces in the non-physical

(39:52):
realm and they said, okay, sothis is a dense frequency, how
does that feel?
And I go, oh, it's kind of likethis is is it bad?
I said no.
Then you have what I call itkind of like the medium
frequency, where most peoplehang out and then as our
consciousness not whether we'reawake or not in the human realm,
but our consciousness of theall the finer that we see and

(40:15):
understand and awaken to that,to the remembrance that's
already within the frequencygets finer and finer and finer
and that's eternal.
So when, so when I tap intoclients and I'm working with
them, I'm tapping into thatfrequency.
If someone is in a densefrequency, then that's where I
know they're in.
You know, they're kind of apoquito perdidos, they're a

(40:39):
little lost, but they're notlost.
They're lost in all theirthought systems of the past and
their nervous system has not.
You know, I can see people's,you know skeletals and nervous
system and all that and so on.
And I go, okay, there's a lotof blockage going on.
Well, they're not going to beable to to see or hear that
which, yeah, I don't go down tothe, I don't, I don't go into

(41:01):
the dancer frequency, but Ihonor where they're at yeah so I
just gently bring them hey, youknow what about this and what
about that, or you know, so on.
But it's so when I work withfolks, I say, okay, in that
frequency of you, cause each,you have a frequency.
It's, it's like your, you knowyour, your fingerprint, it is
specifically yours.

(41:22):
You sound a certain way blah,blah, blah, right, so it's only
about getting into that finerfrequency of self.
That's it.
And remembrance, becauseeverything that you do now, mija
, honest to goodness, okay, okay, I'm agreeing with you now,
mija, there's something with me.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, they don't want me talking about you.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
It was just a general conversation, so I don't want
me talking about you.
It was just in a generalconversation, so I don't know
what's going on with you.
Okay, let's just talk aboutthis.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
I was gonna ask you.
I was gonna ask you um, yeah, I, I was thinking, oh no, she's
feeding off of me right now.
Oh, I don't know, I have noidea, because into a minute,
just be curious and just seewhat you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
I don't.
Yeah, not I actually I don't dothat when and when I'm doing
this because it's I don't wantto be different.
No, no, you're asking, but Iusually don't do that because
without permission, you know, Idon't go anywhere anybody's
stuff.
If you want to know, I'mpicking up a lot of insecurities
, but I don't, I don't, you know, and I'm like, and I'm not
trying to to to like yeah, yeah,I'm not up a lot of

(42:26):
insecurities, but I don't, Idon't, you know, and I'm like,
and I'm not trying to to to like, I'm not trying to boost you up
, I'm just using an example.
I said I'm going to use her asan example, not, you know, not.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
So the insecurity is is letting me know, because the
podcast before was I was aquestion that asked me what is
it that's stopping me frombringing forth what I need to
bring forth and now, like wecan't make it up what has been
transpiring any time?

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
And so that's why I wanted to be like, okay, what
are you seeing?
And I'm giving you permissionto see it.
So the insecurity?

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, the insecurity of that.
And it's true when I I um,because I have students from all
over, yeah, and so we do, um,the go-to meeting and stuff like
that, and when things aregetting interesting, that's what
happens.
And then I'll just say, okay,ladies, let's take some breaths.
And uh, it looks like we're alittle, you know, blah, blah,

(43:26):
blah, and it's usually on my uh,not always, but usually on my
end, because I'm, when I'mworking, I I get hot, and so
everything else gets hot.
And then, and we've hadinteresting things happen that
that don't usually happen.
They go, oh my god I go, okay,let me, let me, let me talk
about frequency, let me let mefind to my frequency here so

(43:48):
that that or somebody else isreally having a rough day about
something, something.
Then things start happening.
So at first I kind of go, oh,it's my.
And then my peeps to go, no,she's right.
So I said, okay, I'm not goingto talk about her, but I want to
use her as an example yeah,yeah, they know that.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Um, yeah, it's because I'm seeing more and more
the part where I need tovalidate myself.
It's like you, you haven't donefully that part yet.
So things are not going to openup until you recognize to
validate yourself, so that youdon't fumble when you know
rejection or anything comes in,that you're solid in your own

(44:33):
roots, not looking for otherpeople, so when the winds come,
that you're like grounded in theroots, so having that
validation for myself.
So that's why, when it was like, okay, let me hear.
And then it's like, I was likeokay, so I got to ask her what
is she seeing?
And now it's the insecurity andoh, that's very prevalent with

(44:58):
myself.
So it's like, okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Because you know what , mia, you were talking about
ego, right, and then you, thisis the thing that I, that some
folks don't, we kind of look atego like the over culture looks
at ego in a masculine way I'm sogreat, I'm so wonderful, we
look at that as ego for my, myown personal life and other

(45:29):
females, ego can also look likeI'm not enough, deflated ego.
It's still ego, it's still asense of self, it's still like
pointing, like you said, it'sstill pointing to the self.
And then all that old stuff.
So, uh, the folks that I workwith, they, their students, what
you know, they go.
Oh, wow, I'm an ego and I go.
That's right, mija, you know.
And so they, they know itencompasses that part of them

(45:53):
which usually is the past.
Why are we insecure?
Because you know, like you said, things happen.
Our nervous system kicks in,all that talk story gets in
there.
That's no longer part of ourlives and it goes into a.
It's an, it's an addict, it'san addictive thing, it's
addiction.
Yeah, give me that, give methat high.

(46:13):
Yeah, to tell everybody I'm notenough.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Yeah, how I did yeah, how I describe the ego for
people is the defense mechanismsof the nervous system, and
until you surrender it thenyou're not able to be in that
vulnerability and be in yourworth.
So the defense mechanisms werecreated to protect you so that
not good enough or needing tohave too much power or whatnot

(46:40):
whatever, the defense mechanismscome in to activate, to protect
you.
The defense mechanisms come into activate, to protect you,
learning to surrender that.
Then you're able to go beyondwhat the ego is, the gates open
up.
So that's how I describe thatego part and I describe the self

(47:01):
as God, allah, spirit, yourlife force, the big S.
There's the small S s, which isyour persona, your nervous
system to navigate the world.
Um, that does you know?
Um die or you know dissemble.
Uh, when you transition and goto the other, you know

(47:22):
rebirthingbirthing andtransition.
So that's how I explain it topeople.
It's like well, your defensemechanisms have forgotten that
you've been separated from self.
You've been separated from God,allah, like whatever name you
call that higher power.
You forgot that you're a partof that and unfortunately, some

(47:43):
religions have made you feelthat you have to go on the
outside, through something else,to have that connection, rather
than know it's within you.
You're a part of it, you're notseparate from it and you don't
have to go and get this umrepentance and feel like um,
you're in purgatory to feel theacceptance yes but, but you this

(48:05):
, but you know what?

Speaker 3 (48:06):
I just found out that you know your thymus is right
here, right.
So there's a and when you tapon the thymus it opens up.
So I thought there's somethingalways means something and
sometimes it doesn't.
So I'm going oh, that'sprobably where it came from.
It probably came from open upthat thymus.
Yeah, feel that healing.

(48:26):
You know right, I cut, yeah, Imiss, you know whatever.
But no, what you're saying isso true.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Miha, right on, I I different words, the same thing
yeah, so that people can justrelate to it a little bit,
because I find in a lot of ourlanguage is this black and white
, rather than making thatspectrum, to really understand
more of what this nervous systemdoes, because it's so insidious
, like you could know something,but to embody it and for it to

(48:54):
drop into your body and just beit.
It's like it takes some time toreshape and and rewire the
nervous system and and that'swhere you need that radical
compassion for yourself becauseyou're, like I know better, like
why did I fall into this umpithole?

Speaker 3 (49:12):
are you talking about me again?
We better talk about me,because if we talk about you
we're gonna freeze up again.
I love that radical compassion,because it's got to be radical
sometimes, yeah, yeah, I meanthe thing that I and you you've

(49:32):
mentioned it, I think we've bothmentioned it at this that we
have choice, and I think that'swhere folks, at least you know
they go.
Oh my gosh.
I said, yeah, we have choice inthat radical, in that craziness
of the being hijacked or beingin that.
If we could, definitely, but ittakes time.
If a body has been on, you know, the nervous system has been on

(49:54):
high alert or in the womb, youknow, that's there was, there
was no buenos while I was in thewomb, right, so I can't, yeah.
And I and I came out like ohfuck, what the hell is this you
know, kind of deal, and it neverstopped, you know, until you
know, right.
So I understand all that, untilyou know, I understood all that

(50:15):
intellectually and my folks, mynon-physical folks, helped me
out and everything, but my bodywas still responding and then I
went okay, I have choice, butman, my body's still doing this,
it's still freaking out, okay,so now we got to get into chichi
, soul time.
That's what I call it, you know, because what do we all want to
get back to?

(50:35):
Right, yeah, that, nurturingthat chichi, that, that you know
, nurturing kind of good stuff,right.
So, and then finding that and Idon't know about you, miha, uh,
it changes all the time becauseyou know so, care, self-care is
soul care, soul care, self-care, you know that it's.
It's not about healing the soul.

(50:55):
I, I don't, there's nothingwrong with our soul self, it's
just that we don't remember that.
It's there, that's all, that'snot.
It's not that big of a deal,because I see things, even I put
things up sometimes and I go.
I don't know if that's correct,that's not.
It's not that big of a deal,because I see things, even I put
things up sometimes like Idon't know if that's correct,
but oh well, sometimes, uh,language, you know, like we were
talking about nurture your soul, like I don't think they need
to, I said, okay, that's okay,you know we'll let it go, but

(51:18):
it's, there's nothing wrong withthe soul itself of being.
We know that it that we have asource that is beyond anything
you could ever imagine.
So, when people transition orrebirth in life, I've had
numerous times where I've seenloved ones or other folks when
they, when they leave you knowI'm there when they leave and

(51:39):
they always have the same looknow I'm putting words to it.
But as soon as they pop out oftheir bodies because there's no
longer in pain, they don't havethe memories or anything because
they're in that divine,depending on how they lived here
.
But usually, in their divineessence of being right, they
always go, you know, and to methat looks like what the fuck
was that all about?
I don't know and I go.

(52:01):
I don't know man, they go.
Man that don't know.
Man, they go.
Man, that did not feel good,you know, that was not fun, you
know.
Or some folks that have had alife of, even if it was rough.
I had a friend, auntie Mary.
She passed in 2019, you knowshe was escaped from the world,
but she was like, hey, she, whenI I knew when she passed and

(52:22):
she came through, she lived inHawaii, she goes.
Hey, julie Julia, I go what shegoes.
And she came through, she livedin Hawaii, she goes.
Hey, julie Julia, I go what shegoes.
I'm out of here.
Catch you later.
Okay, I said okay, right on,I'll talk to you later, mary.
She goes yeah, I'll be back.
I just got to go.
You know what I got to go do,right, and I go.
Yeah, yeah, I know what you gotto go do.

(52:49):
Okay, over here now.
Yeah, so that being a human isnot for the.
You know, if we're here, wechose to be here and we were not
left without a device of being.
You know, you're talking aboutthe nervous system, like you
said earlier, that is, giving usinfo all the time and then we

(53:13):
have choice.
Even if we know what to do, westill get hijacked and we get
addicted we do, and I think it's.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
It's the trust.
Yes, my gosh, we're so lured tobelieve that we cannot trust
our experience.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Exactly, especially if you're a woman, and a woman
of color.
Forget that shit.
You're constantly told you'renot enough.
Not overtly anymore, it'scovertly.
Now it's like oh stop.
I've been around a long timewhere I was like huh, you know
gaslighting.
I'm so glad to have a word forit yeah exactly.

(53:54):
I used to go because I, a longtime ago, I had this non-profit
and I was the first female to dothe work in that arena and I
would go to these meetings.
I was the only only woman, theonly woman, you know, I was a
Metskin, you know right.
And these were all.
I'm talking San Francisco, sanMateo, all white males, blah,

(54:15):
blah, blah.
And it would.
I would suggest something andthen they would go oh, wow, you
know, they would poohoo me.
And then the next week we'd goto the same meeting and they go
hey, why don't we do X, y and Z?
And I go I, I, I told youclassic, I told you folks that
last, oh, no, we don't, we don'tremember hey, so-and-so, right

(54:35):
on, and I'm thinking I'm not,you know.
And then I, then I would sayyou guys are really like I
didn't use gasline.
I said you guys are really likeI didn't use gaslighting.
I said guys are being assholes.
I actually said that and theygo, well, julia.
I said no, you guys are beingassholes.
This is not right.
We're adults here.
I know I gave that.
Oh, no, now you're saying thatwe're racist.
You know, that was 20, over 20years ago.

(55:02):
And I go, yeah, I'm.
And they go, come on julia.
And I said fuck you, you knowthey could see the look on my
face.
And I said I'm done being atrailblazer in this arena.
Because then you know, yeah,and it's the same thing in our
work too.
Yeah, I'm just saying you knowexactly, we're conditioned to
listen to men.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
We are, yeah, it's very um, and you know, whatever
culture you're in, the majorityis always that women are beneath
men and that men bring all thepower in and create and
everything else.
And don't get me wrong, notmale bashing, we wouldn't have.
We wouldn't have a world thatwe do without the physical

(55:45):
strength of men.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have four sons and you
know blah, blah, blah, and Iwork with men, thousands of men.
There's no male bashing.
I'm just sharing that.
That's the way it is.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
It's the power struggles have been and now it's
more being recognized.
But I can see a lot of men notwanting to lose that power, Amen
.
It brings an intimidationwithin their persona and you
know, power is very seducing.
Who doesn't?

(56:19):
Want to be in power.
Yeah, yeah, like, as a parent,they know it all with their
children.
Until you recognize like, oh,that is a lot of fear.
Like, really and truly, I amjust trying to control a
situation, cause I don't knowhow to be in the unknown and
allow this human being that's infront of me to flourish.

(56:39):
Also, yes, I may have someexperiences, yet I also have to
to remember I don't know whatyou came here to do with your
own personal experience.
So there's some knowledge thatyou have within you that has
been, you know, programmed inthere that I may not be able to
relate to, and you're in adifferent world than I.
Came in like totally differentworld.

(57:03):
You know what we got ahead ofourselves and I want to be able
to introduce you into thepodcast let me open up the door,
because this room all of asudden got super hot.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Okay, it gets hot, it's really.
I think I'm not going to say,but I think it's this other lady
that's in the other side of thescreen made it all hot over
here.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I don't want to freeze the screen.
Welcome to the Lift One Selfpodcast, Julia.
I know that we've already beentalking for an hour and some of
this will be put into the frontof this podcast.
Just to give you theintroduction podcast.

(57:49):
Just to give you theintroduction.
Yet I really am thankful anddelighted that my audience is
going to be infected with yourvibrant energy and frequency
because you have such a depthand an exhilaration of energy
that anybody that comes in yourforce field, they feel seen,
they feel safe.
So I want to thank you forhonoring me to be on this

(58:13):
podcast.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Well, thank you so much, Miha, really thank you so
much.
My whole life people have beensaying that and I never really
understood it and as I'm at theage that I am now, I I welcome
those words now because, nomatter what I do, if people feel
that, then then I'm doing mywork.
Safe is important and, yeah, Ithat you make me cry.

(58:42):
Yeah, because it's being seenwithout guile, without, without
judgment, without just seeinganother person and and I take
that in, it took me a long timeto you know, like what does that
mean?
Yeah, and it means that you seeme and my work.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Yeah, An honor.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Thank you.
Same here, mia, and my work,yeah, an honor.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Thank you same here.
Miha, will you join me in ashort meditation?
Oh, yes, let's join each otherin the breath and so we can, uh,
even, let in, uh, even thoughthey've played around with our
frequencies already.
Um, yes, let let them in evenmore so that they're in the

(59:30):
dialogue.
And for the listeners, as youalways hear my spiel like please
don't close your eyes, and ifyou're getting a little too
comfortable and you need youryou know focus, just skip over
this, but listen to the rest ofthe dialogue.
So, julia, I'll ask you to getcomfortable and close your eyes
and you're going to beginbreathing in and out through

(59:52):
your nose and you're going tobring your awareness to watching
your breath go in and outthrough your nose.
You're not going to controlyour breath, you're just going
to be aware of it going in yournostrils and inflating your
lungs and coming back out in theexhale there may be some

(01:00:19):
sensations or feelings coming upin the body.
It's okay, let them come up,you're safe to feel.
You're safe to let go.
Surrender the need to control.
Release the need to resist andjust be your breath drop into

(01:00:54):
your body, keeping yourawareness on your breath there
may be some thoughts or memoriesthat pop up, and it's okay.
Gently bring your awarenessback to your breath.
There may be some thoughts ormemories that pop up, and it's
okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Gently bring your awareness back to your breath
creating the space between thethoughts and your awareness of
your breath.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Dropping deeper into your body, staying focused with
that breath Feeling a softnessin your breath.
And ease Keeping yourwillingness on your breath and

(01:01:58):
dropping deeper into your bodyto be a gratitude for your body,
for your nervous system, yourlife force.
Now, while still staying withyour breath, at your own time
and at your own pace, you'regoing to gently open your eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
I don't know what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
It dropped the call.
I'm telling you this is a veryinteresting conversation today.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Okay, that's so funny , it's all good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
What's your?
Heart doing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Oh, it's nice, it's nice.
And you know, yeah, cause I wastired from you know, last night
.
I wake up early, but it's, it's, it's.
I have a good heart rate, whichis great.
It's genetics, so it's actuallyreally good.
And I was yawning, which isgreat, yeah, which means I'm
relaxed.
Yeah, that was nice.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Can you let the listeners know a little bit more
about the non-profit and whyyou went into non-profit and who
you were supporting?

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
oh yeah that it's no longer in existence.
But, um, the, the work that Idid, um, I think it was from
like 97 and then fast forward 20years or whatever.
We were doing direct services,uh, for the um, northern
california, and I worked withthis was a divine calling.
Um, my, my non-physical peepssaid, hey, you need to do this

(01:03:36):
work here because I was workingwith women.
Um, in, you know, just littlesimple things.
I was just like, okay, I'mgoing to work with women and
what I noticed, that women thathad a lot of trauma, um it, no
matter, I don't know, they justI don't know.
I just kind of, you know, Ilike this work and everything.

(01:03:58):
And I thought, huh, and thenthe thought came, the divine
thought came that said, if, thisis good work, but you need to
work with the men, and I said,oh fuck, no, I'm sorry, I just
said that doesn't sound likeanything I want to do because
that's going to bring up a lotof my stuff.
Yeah, and then what washappening was the women were

(01:04:20):
going back home and, you know,some were getting married okay,
this is funny.
I know right, it could be myminute, I'm not gonna say that,
so anyways, um, the women weregoing home.
It was feeling, you know, likeeither they got divorced or
their relationships wereshifting.
And so, actually, the men, youknow, you get the calling to do

(01:04:43):
it and then you say you don'twant to do it.
But it was a short period oftime, like a few years, and then
the men were like the womenwere going, my husband wants to
come, or my boyfriend wants tocome because he sees, you know
how I'm being, and he reallywants to make this work.
And da, da, da, da.
And I said, well, I don'treally want to work with men,
especially men that are angry.
So I decided to go look aroundand see if there was any

(01:05:08):
training in San Francisco forworking with men, and I called
up this place that is no longerin existence, called MOVE Men
Overcoming Violence, and I saiddid you guys do trainings or
whatever?
Because I would like to educatemyself on blah blah.
And they said, huh, we'relooking for a woman facilitator.

(01:05:28):
I didn't think anything of itand I said, well, I don't, I
thought I didn't have anycredentials and that's not
anything that I wanted to do.
I was well educated, somecollege, but I knew that wasn't
what I wanted to do.
You know, like be a therapist.
It just, you know there was alot of restrictions around that.
So I just and I knew who I'd be.
So they said, will you come infor an interview?

(01:05:56):
I said, okay, yeah, I mean, Idon't know what the heck, I am
looking for a job.
I could use some money and umat that time.
And so I was in my earlyforties and I and I just said,
um, yeah, sure, and they hiredme.
Little Did I know I was thefirst female in Northern
California I thought it was allof California, but Northern
California to work with men thathad been convicted of domestic
violence.
So, the first woman, the firstLatino woman, the majority of

(01:06:20):
the facilitators were all likeMFTs, lcsws, phds and stuff like
that, w's PhDs and stuff likethat, but they were looking for
a woman to come in, notnecessarily a clinician, but
someone that had some kind of abackground, and preferably a
woman of color.
And so I had no idea what I wasgetting myself into.
Not none at all.
I just wanted to learn how towork with men that were, you

(01:06:42):
know, had these issues and Iworked there for about three
years, three or four years.
It was very not good.
It was very challenging and andhard, and I opened up the venue
for females to work.
Now, women it's almost unheardof not to have male and female
facilitators, but back thenpeople, even before I came on

(01:07:04):
the scene, they were processinghaving a female in the room with
men that had been violent withwomen.
Yeah, and so I.
I found this approach throughanother friend, david Brady, and
he said hey, julia, there'sthis approach I'm using in oats.
It's about innate wisdom withinand health.

(01:07:26):
And, yeah, I know you do yourspiritual work, you're good in
that work, but I think this,this could work, you know.
And I said, okay, sure, andthen I just you know how it
happens I start working withwhen I was working at move,
because I was actually trainingcandidates for PhD, because they
have to get so many C what doyou call that?

(01:07:49):
They get to get their hours indomestic violence, yeah, and so
a lot of the men there hadissues around me not being a
licensed therapist and thedirector said, no, no, you don't
understand.
She's here.
She doesn't have to be alicensed training for you to get
your credentials.
You're just getting your hoursand she's training you because
they trained me.
Then I trained them and she'sthe first female in northern

(01:08:11):
California and I said, oh yeah,so, um, I was under a magnifying
glass for those all those threeyears to probation.
The judges, everybody came into see how this was working.
But you know, god sent me there, so I was.
So I decided to open up my owncenter in um in here at Pacifica

(01:08:33):
, and my brother, who's nowdeceased, put up the money for a
year and my husband then at thetime worked two and three jobs.
So I didn't have to work causeI had to quit the other job and
for two years I didn't.
I didn't have a salary, I justdid my thing.
And David came over and youknow, continue to keep training
me with the this approach.
And we had amazing success withthe men because my thinking was

(01:08:56):
me huh, okay, yes, I helpfemales, I mean I assist females
and they feel better and so on.
But those women, a lot of times, if it because it's you.
You understand this.
People want a quick fix, thesystem wants a quick fix.
Everybody wants you fix thesepeople, blah, blah, blah.
Right, and it doesn't work thatway.

(01:09:16):
You got to, the whole familyunit has to come in and there
was a lot of restrictions aroundit.
So I thought, well, if I havethe male perpetrator you know,
more often than not it's aheterosexual, but not always
right but at that time that waspretty much what it was If I'm

(01:09:38):
there and being part of thehealing for this male, then he's
not going to hurt any femalethat he gets he's in contact
with.
If a female doesn't move, herwhole page is going to continue
to keep picking these men thebetter, right.

(01:10:00):
And so my daughter then at thetime, who was like 21, I said
let's do this.
And we did it for 20 years.
We did direct services in SanFrancisco in the most you know
gang-affiliated areas and wewere able to.
And San Mateo Pacifica.

(01:10:22):
We at one time we had overalmost 20 groups going a week.
I, yeah and I but trained a lotof facilitators and things like
that.
We were very successful.
Family courts loved us.
I didn't like family courts, youknow it's a lot of yeah and
there's no funding for that towork with perpetrators, just

(01:10:46):
with the females, and Iunderstand it.
So it was fee for service andso I thought we weren't making
any money and, um, I went intodebt to keep the center going,
yeah, just because I wantedthings to work, yeah.
And then, um, uh, david came tome and says, hey, julia, you
know, um, therapists need CEUunits.

(01:11:08):
Let's do a training program.
So about 10 years years into it, he says let's do it.
So we came up with the 40-hourcore training and that's.
They call it trainer oftrainers and we took our
approach and presented it to theprobation departments in the
state and all that andeverything, and we, okay, they
go, okay, cool, and then we wereable to.
This is this accomplishment.

(01:11:29):
So I didn't ever want it to gointo the, into the hood and, and
especially in the black andbrown communities where I didn't
know what was going on, kind ofdeal, and it was dangerous at
that time, both places, eastPalo Alto and San Francisco.
I wanted to go in there andtrain the folks there and then
leave.
That was always my goal.
So, and most of the people thatwanted to do the work were all

(01:11:52):
white people that came to me Iwant to be trained, and you know
.
So I said, okay, you know what.
We need to train the folks here, not like we're going to save
them, but train them in thismodality so that they can do
that.
And that's actually when we didwhen we pulled out of those
areas.
There were all these differentprograms that came to us for
training to get certified, andas soon as they got certified

(01:12:14):
with the county we pulled out.
That wasn't good for businessbecause then we lost business.
But it wasn't a lot of businessbecause most of the service
were indigent and they pay maybefive bucks for a two-hour group
and it took a whole lot morethan five bucks per person.
We figured out it takes aboutlike 40 bucks per person for
those, because they stayed withus for a full year and you have

(01:12:35):
to have a full staff.
You have to pay everybody,right?
Yeah, so I find it sad stillnot funded.
I just don't understand it.
But I'm done.
Yeah, the clients were great.
Media love working with the men,love working with the, the
young, young, young folks in the, in the hood and aloato, the um
, when I was working at move,that's what I noticed there was

(01:12:55):
a lot of men of color pacificislanders, chinese, you name it
that, the modality that theywere using.
There was a white male occasion, you know, protestant, and
there was, these guys wererepeat, keep repeating,
offending.
You know the white guys didn'toffend, uh, re-offend, but a lot
of colors.
So I talked to the director.

(01:13:16):
I said, man, these guys arelike this is wrong.
He goes, julia, you know whatthis is made out.
You know this is like not forthem and I go, what he goes?
No, no, his name is john, hegoes.
It's made for me.
He was, you know, white male,yeah, and he goes, you know.
And I said, well, I think I gotan idea and he and he gave us,
you know, as long as we gavekudos to them, gave us all the

(01:13:38):
paperwork to start my own centerin San Mateo, yeah, and then we
, we were rocking and rollingbecause we, everybody came and
our success rate.
We only had them for a year andthey did a year for their
treatment program.
They had to come once a weekfor two hours and a lot of

(01:14:00):
paperwork and the recidivism forthat, staying in a batter.
They call them BIPs, batters,intervention programs.
I don't know if that's whatthey call them.
Still now I think, at best,maybe 30 percent ours.
We had a volunteer that I saidcan we, can I work on some stats
here?
I said, sure, yeah, ours was uh, 80 percent.

(01:14:20):
Wow, that's high.
Now I don't know what happenedafter that year.
I just know that our uh work youdon't know, but that's not what
politics and I don't care ifthis airs politics in san

(01:14:45):
francisco I was born and raisedthere still say it's the same
thing If you're going to do thecrime one of the very itty bitty
things, not domestic violenceprogram, a domestic harmony
program and the probationdepartment did not like us
calling it domestic harmony.
They wanted us to.
You know, talk about howhorrible these men were.
They did horrible things.
They did horrible things.

(01:15:06):
I'm not saying they didn't, butthey're, you know, innately.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
there's, there's health, health there, and that's
what we were tapping into yeahhow to bring healing if it's
always a negative uh yes, I, Ilove the work.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
So then we got into training and then we went up all
up and down uh, mostly northern, I'd say, from fresno on up.
And in Indian country thenative men, if they copped a DV
case they would have to go offthe reservation and go into a
white environment.
So we had a lot of the tribescome to us and say, hey, can you

(01:15:46):
train us to get certified?
I said right on, and there's abunch that that's where I kind
of go, yes, we did it.
So there's up and down of theirthey're certified to do the
work so the guys can stay on onthe res and get their work done
culturally.
I know me.
I could tell you story afterstory, you know.
And we went as far as dc andcolorado.
You know people gettingcertified in and again, and in

(01:16:08):
hunters point, bayview, hunterspoint, all those areas where
there's, you know, peoplegetting certified.
And again in Hunters Point,bayview, hunters Point, all
those areas where there's, youknow, still gang affiliated,
three programs there I think, atleast of brothers that you know
.
Hey, julia, it's time for ourrecertification.
You know you're going to helpus.
I said, yeah, mr Craig, I'mgoing to help you.

(01:16:28):
Mijo, let's do this.
And you know, know, like I said, we pulled out and he goes.
Oh man, that's not good forbusiness.
I said, craig ain't no money inthis if I were doing this for
money.
Uh, he goes.
Well, okay, we'll just keepcoming to you till you no longer
do these trainings.
And you know, then we stoppeddoing the trainings because then
I told my daughter, I'm done.
It wasn't about the clientele,it was the politics yeah that

(01:16:53):
that's what it was I.
I just said you know you guysgot to fund these programs, you
know and they would.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
And I just said I can't keep, you know I, I need
to go do my work over here fulltime yeah, and support your life
, to have a more life withsoftness and ease, and be able
to have freedom and besupportive for the work that
you're doing, cause it's, as youcan see, it's needed, but it's

(01:17:19):
not supported with the politics.
Yeah, I want to ask thisquestion because you were
serving the clientele and youwere you.
You're still doing the work.
It just looks differently rightnow.
How was it making the choice towalk away from the business?

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
you mean the, the non-profit.
Yeah, oh, the only reason itwasn't difficult to walk away
from the non-profit it was itwas established in my brother's
name that I never knew umAntonio.
I felt like I was letting himdown.
I never met him, but he diedfrom um abuse, yeah.

(01:18:00):
And so the whole thing wasabout, yeah, he was three years
old and um at the hands of mygrandfather you, you know.
So it's a real sad story.
So I named it in his, in hishonor, and I just felt like I
failed my brother.
I said, bro, I did this, youknow, in your name, and, and it

(01:18:21):
took a few years, and we had anamazing accountant, bookkeeper,
accountant, excuse me.
And she said Julia, because sheknew she goes, goes, julia, I
think your brother's very proudof you, I think you did a good
job.
And I couldn't stop crying andI said, okay, let's close it.
And this is just last.
Last year, you know, officiallyit's been not functioning.

(01:18:42):
So before 2020, yeah, I mean soat least eight, it's been a
while, yeah, so that was once I,once I let go of my brother and
heard that I did a good job.
It was fine, yeah, yeah, wemissed the.

(01:19:02):
We finally got rid of all thefiles, cause you have to keep
the files like 10 years, oh, 10.
Okay, yeah, something 10 or 12years and it had been like 15.
So we finally just, you know,took everything out of storage
and shredded everything and kindof letting things go.
That wasn't yeah, yeah, I, Iyeah.
It was just sad that that's notsupported when something works.

(01:19:25):
Yeah, trust me, we tried.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, trust me, wetried, yeah.
So, um, yeah, we have peoplecalling us a bit right now and
they're you still doing training?
You said no, yeah, they go okay, are you still doing the work?
And I go, yeah.
I said, okay, right on, justkeep doing the work, not a big
deal.
What I'm doing now is what Ilove the, you know, it is the,

(01:19:47):
the work full-time.
I've been like, I always didthis full, you know, like side
by side, and then finally, whenI did that, the fullness of it,
um, I'd say like, yeah, I, I'mlike, yes, but I'm with you,
mija, it's, it's, uh, that wholenervous system, that whole over
culture, sharing with you, howyou be, you know, even with my

(01:20:08):
own people, the not anymore, butthey would go, oh, you're good,
and that uh, um, you know, theyhad different thinking around,
what a good and that is in, in,in that vernacular and that, and
I would share with them.
And they would go, oh, that'sdifferent.
And I said, no, it's notdifferent.
I said when, when, when the,the Europeans came over and they

(01:20:30):
did whatever, we had to gounderground, and so anything
that was left didn't look likein its original form, I said I
feel very blessed that my motherand my grandmother, you know,
in their own beautiful way, notnecessarily told me, but guided

(01:20:52):
me in their own way, and myancestors said don't, no, don't,
worries about them.
You know, like, don't worryabout whoever, whatever.
Saying right, yeah, just stay,stay in your lane.
And if people get into yourlane, you can politely and
firmly ask them to leave, or notpolitely but firmly ask them to
ask them to to get out of yourlane.

(01:21:12):
Yeah, just, I mean, I couldtell you over and over again.
When people start hearing,especially white sisters, would
say what school did you go to?
I said I didn't.
Oh gosh, no, really.
Well, you can't do that kind ofwork unless you know.
Blah, blah, blah.
And I said, well, yeah, youknow.
I'm like what are you talkingabout.
Well you, if you want to be ashaman, where's your certificate

(01:21:36):
as a shaman?
I said that that's not how thatworks and I'm not a shaman.
Do you understand what?
that is yeah, that doesn'thappen to me anymore, but it did
for a bit, yeah, yeah, yeah,for a minute.
And like again even my folks,because I would get calls, they
would Google good and that, andI would show up and they would

(01:21:56):
say, oh, do I have an evil thingaround me?
I said I don't work that, Idon't work that.
And they go, can you just lookreally quick?
And of course I said, okay, letme look.
I said no, you got shit there,because I know folks that call
themselves good and that is thatuse the fear thing yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Can you, for the listeners that do not speak
latin, can you explain what thatwould be in an english term?

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
oh, good, and that actually I, from my
understanding, and the properway to see her.
Okay, our seer.
So I'm the good and that I'mthe seer of the soul.
Yeah, so, yeah.
So, like yourself, you're theseer.
You're the current data of thenervous system, doesn't?
Make sense.

(01:22:41):
Yeah, yeah you see, yeah, yousee that.
Yeah, you're connected to that.
That's your work.
Yeah, my mother would put inthat other cuerpo.
She, she did a lot of massagetherapy and stuff.
My grandmother which I wish Iwould have learned she's good at
that of the herbs, she knewwhat herbs to pick and things
like that, right, yeah, so Ithink we're all good and that is

(01:23:03):
a good end.
That was, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
I think that we're all in that when we find that
purpose, yeah, yeah can you letlisteners know what kind of work
you're doing now and what thatlooks like and where they can
find you?

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
I love that because, uh, holly and I, my assistant,
we're working on again.
At the beginning we weretalking.
Sometimes people come to me andthink that I'm I'm a crystal
ball, you know, um, and I justwant to go over here for a
minute.
I really have a difficult timeall these movies that show
hurranderas or Latina healers ascrazy ladies yeah, speak it

(01:23:40):
again let the people in the back, understand.
So basically what I'm doing nowis that which, when I work with,
when I hang with people,whatever it is I was almost
going to say you.
So when I sit with people orI'm in a class, what I'm

(01:24:06):
bringing forth to that which youare in the fullness of who you
are, in your soul self, so seerof the soul means that I am able
to see the soul of yours there.
So if anyone specifically inthat moment is maybe struggling

(01:24:26):
being in the human realm andthey want some information that
will be useful and helpful forthem in the moment, their people
, their guides, ancestors, even,you know, animals, all of that
will come and they'll share withme.
Remind her about.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Can you let them know where they can find you?

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Okay, at wwwtheschoolwithoutwallsnet and
they just go there and click onand just surf it up.
They'll look around and seewhat's there.
Yeah, we have a lot of thingsgoing on.
You know podcasts like you're,you know you have going on and
you, you were on my podcast, sowe're we're working on getting

(01:25:12):
those editings done and sothat'd be fun.
And then we have some specialscoming up.
We have a retreat.
I don't know when this one'sgoing to air, but we have a
retreat coming in October inNapa, california.
Really beautiful place, thatgorgeous.
Check the pictures out, guys.
I'm so and the theme is um, solistening, yeah, nice, that is a

(01:25:35):
pretty free soul listening andand I have a little recording
about that and it's really cooland, yeah, it'll share with you
what the venue looks like, whatthe food's going to be like,
what we're going to be talkingstory about what our movement is
.
It's, it's, it's, uh, it'sreally cool.
I love and I'm just going tothrow this out next, next year,

(01:25:55):
we're going to new zealand, sooh, my gosh, oh my gosh.
This is so interesting now.
I've not had this challengebefore, so I've not really
seriously.
I've not had this challengebefore, so I've not really
searched.
I've not had this much oh mygod you know like it's all good.

(01:26:18):
So you know what it is.
We're just too hot.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
We're just too hot.
We're blowing.
We're electrical right now,yeah, we're electrical big time.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
I'm doing my best it's not you, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
We're like I don't know what it is in the frequency
um.
I think it's us.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
We're having too much fun we are, we're very.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Imagine if, when we're in person, oh my gosh,
where do you live?
Where do you live?
I'm in canada.
Oh, that's right, canada.
Okay, yeah, ottawa, ottawa,ontario.
So, um, yeah, I'm all the wayup north compared to where you
are, so I'm not feeling the sameheat that well.
We we've been getting um a lotof humidity and a lot of heat,

(01:27:00):
but we're it's been rainingsince yesterday.
We're getting the remnants of ahurricane barrel, um, so we've
gotten a lot of water.
Oh okay, got it.
I even actually brought thetwins for a rain walk this
morning, did you really huh?
That sounds nice yeah, we hadto turn it back though.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
I love the rain, people don't like I think it's
so.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Every person I pass by, I'm like go splash in some
puddles.
And some of them are like thatsounds wonderful.
Other people just give me thegrunt and I'm like you don't
know what you're missing out on.
Go splash in some puddles.
I'm telling you Wear yourgaloshes, yeah, and just let out
whatever you need to let out.

(01:27:50):
Well, I want to thank you forbeing on the podcast um, sharing
your story, sharing your energy, having the patience with you.
Know our guides that have been,uh, not wanting us to speak on
certain things.
We're like traversing and beingplayful with it and just being,

(01:28:15):
you know, reminded that it'sall okay, it's all good.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
Right on.
Thank you for having me on Miha.
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
I appreciate you, I truly do, and I want to thank
you for the warrior work thatyou're doing out in the world
and always, you know, pivoting,and I'm really thankful that
this chapter you're allowingyourself to receive and be able
to be in a an experience ofdelight and playfulness that you

(01:28:46):
know you did that trench workwith the non, yet now it's like
no being in the worth and reallysupporting that work and being
in environments that are full oflush and abundance and no
longer having to scrape in and,you know, demand the validation,
actually, just in that, andreceive the abundance that's

(01:29:09):
there.
And you know, let the peoplethat really want to do the work
to come to you and then you knowit will flourish.
Uh, 10 times more.
Right, that's the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
Yeah, I mean that's truth.
That's not anybody's like blah,blah, blah, but it's truth yeah
, so I thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
I thank you for you just sharing yourself with the
world.
It's really, really appreciated.
And your sister will be in mymeditation and, uh, your family
of navigating through the roughwaters and the tsunamis of, uh,
this disruption that's going on.
And you know, my friend wasgiven only three months with

(01:29:54):
pancreatic cancer.
She was at stage four withbreast cancer and here we are.
It was March that made a yearthat she's still here and the
oncologist is like I don't knowhow you're doing this yet, as
she says, you know, I've beenthere with her on her side, so I
helped with a lot of thatreleasing in the nervous system

(01:30:18):
and being there.
So it's, it's an honor when youcan use your gifts in a way
that you see the depths andreally believe in in that.
It's not me as Natalie.
It's the vessel for the onenessto come through so that people

(01:30:39):
can really be more in theirfulfillment and and use time as
a tool, not a toy.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Thank you, that is beautiful, everything you said.
Yeah, and see, we didn't get aglitch and you're fully in your
wonderfulness.
Wow, wow, you're right on, mija, right on.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
I appreciate you.
Please remember to be kind toyourself, okay, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
I will yeah At your order.
I'm messing with you.
I'm messing with you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Hey, you made it all the way here.
I appreciate you and your time.
If you found value in thisconversation, please share it
out.
If there was somebody thatpopped into your mind, take
action and share it out withthem.
It possibly may not be themthat will benefit.
It's that they know somebodythat will benefit from listening

(01:31:36):
to this conversation.
So please take action and shareout the podcast.
You can find us on social mediaon Facebook, instagram and
TikTok under Lift One Self, andif you want to inquire about the
work that I do and the servicesthat I provide to people, come
over on my website, come into adiscovery call liftoneselfcom.

(01:32:00):
Until next time, pleaseremember to be kind and gentle
with yourself.
You matter.

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