October 27, 2025 • 64 mins
What if two minutes of breath could change the story you're living? We sit down with Rocío Aquino & Ángel Orengo to trace a path from chaos to center, through failure, forgiveness, and the everyday practices that make self-love practical. Their novel, The Orchid: The Secret Code of Modern Goddesses, isn't just a beautiful narrative; it's a field guide woven into story, where five women mirror our realities survival, perfectionism, hidden truth, anger, and longing and offer tools to move from pain to possibility.
We unpack why Orchid became their symbol: resilient, diverse, unmistakably feminine yet rooted in a surprising masculine etymology, embodying the balance our culture craves. Rocío speaks to trauma, nervous system safety, and the long road from external approval to inner harmony. Angel shares the ego's impulse to interrupt, the discipline of awareness, and the power of choosing where attention goes in a noisy world. Together they model respectful communication, mindful pauses, and a love that holds space for growth without codependency.
Expect practical takeaways: an accessible forgiveness framework, a two-minute mindful reset that actually works, mirror work to rebuild worth, and gratitude practices that shift focus from lack to sufficiency. We also explore how to navigate hard headlines without bypassing pain redirecting energy toward peace and intention while honoring reality.
The heartbeat is simple and brave: when you love yourself deeply and completely, you stop living at the mercy of externals and become the force in your own life. If this conversation sparked a tear, a laugh, or an aha, share it with someone who needs it.
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LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (00:00):
Welcome to the Lift One Self Podcast.
I'm your host, Nat Nat.
And today I know that we aregoing to have a delightful
conversation because before westarted recording, we were going
deep into, you know, the workthat I do and the work that they
do and just what it is to bepresent with what's with you
(00:20):
right now and to have gratitudefor the things that you do have
and not be so caught up into thelack because the world is
always enticing us to throw themessage that we're not good
enough, that we are lackingthings, and that we have to
achieve and strive to get tothis place of gratitude, of
feeling good about ourselves, ofappreciating what we have.
(00:43):
So we uh Rocio, did I say thatcorrectly?
Yes, Rocio and Angel, or is itAngel?
Ángel Orengo (00:51):
It's both.
Angel, it's perfect.
Yeah.
Okay.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (00:54):
So Rocio and Angel, if you could
please introduce yourselves tomyself and the listeners to let
us know a little bit aboutyourself before we go into this
nice deep dive.
Rocio Aquino (01:06):
I would love to begin.
Hello, my name is Rocio Aquino.
I'm from Mexico City.
I was born there.
Then I have the pre verydifficult life at the beginning
of my life with a lot ofchallenge.
But you know, I was almost togive up.
At one point, I tried to end mylife because I didn't know what
(01:31):
is gonna come when I was 20.
And from there I was really onestep ahead, one step at a time
to go and try to live.
And that made me a person verycurious.
And thanks to the curiosity, Ibecame and I have a wonderful
(01:59):
life.
And even though that I have awonderful life living in Mexico,
Miami, Hong Kong for six years,London for five years, I didn't
enjoy that life.
So I was continued to searchingfor okay, how do you forgive?
(02:20):
What how you really can godeep.
So thanks to that, to thatcuriosity, after going around
the world and visit a lot ofplaces, I discover myself in the
most beautiful and pure way.
(02:42):
So who I am today, I'm a happyperson.
Very, very, very happy.
I understand difficulty, but Idon't want to stay there.
It's like uh I choosing to movein another direction.
So that's today who I am, andyou.
Ángel Orengo (03:04):
And uh I'm from Puerto Rico, born and raised,
have lived in many places aswell.
I think Rusia at one timecounted that she had lived and
moved in probably more than30-something homes throughout
her life.
I've done 20-something.
So there's some uh somethingthat brought us together, I
think.
Um I uh moved around from NewYork to LA to Miami to Mexico,
(03:29):
where we met and pursued acareer in entertainment, tried
many things, wanted to be aphysician at some point early in
my um educational career, butsomething led me in a different
direction.
And so we enteredentertainment.
I used I've sold contentthroughout the world, working
for a Hollywood studio, uh, ledLatin America, led Asia Pacific,
(03:54):
and later led also Europe,Middle East, and Africa.
So that coincides with theplaces where Rocio mentioned
before.
And I didn't know that next tome, the woman that I was living
with was not happy.
I just thought that the worldwas like I always saw it, that
you know, I always saw the glasshalf full.
(04:16):
And I I never understood thatother people have different
experiences.
I mean, you kind of know, butit's sometimes difficult to put
yourself in their shoes until westarted going down the path and
we invested all of our savingson a project that failed.
I was able to take radicalresponsibility for that decision
(04:40):
and let it go.
But Roccio couldn't.
Um, it was deeper for her, itwas a family member as well for
her.
So it just led her down a pathof, and how do you forgive?
And all I could say was, let itgo, because that's how my
system worked.
And she goes, No, it's it'sthat's not working for me.
(05:02):
I need the one, two, three orthe ABC of forgiveness.
And that led us to aconversation in which she says,
I'm going to take a course inspiritual psychology.
I'm going to dedicate some timeto figuring this out.
Would you join me?
And I it was coinciding with myexit from a very successful
corporate career.
(05:24):
And I it the wisdom in me,although I didn't understand it
at the time, said, a door isclosing, but another one is
opening.
Go ahead and walk through it.
And so we began what becamethis beautiful dance.
After 23 years of beingmarried, we became, we really
started, even though we havedanced together in the most
beautiful ways, always withchallenges, ups and downs.
(05:47):
But we started a dance that wecouldn't put, and you said it
earlier before we started thepodcast.
We couldn't put words to it,but we had each other to
validate it.
And we would come out of ourlessons.
We always took lessonsindividually in our rooms.
Um it was always online.
And I would say to her, Are youfeeling the way I'm feeling?
(06:08):
And she said, Yes.
And we just started to talkabout it.
And because we could, it justbecame bigger in our lives.
And then our children, eventhough they weren't taking the
classes or the books, started tochange as well.
And we started to notice thatour world became, it just turned
upside down.
And we were living in bliss.
(06:30):
And when that happened, and aswe started to truly experience
it from within, from the gut,that's when one day Rosia turns
and says, How do we share thiswith the world?
And can we do a television showto do that?
And that has not become a TVshow, but led to the book yet.
That led to the book, and um,we published our book in
(06:53):
February of 24.
So that's a little bit of us.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (06:56):
I love it.
Um, what has been popping in myhead is that I want to ask you
did you go see the Bad Bunnyconcert in Puerto Rico?
Ángel Orengo (07:06):
No, we haven't.
The the Rocillo and ourdaughters went to see it here in
Los Angeles.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (07:14):
Hey, I but it's different now.
Yeah, like to be in Puerto Ricoand what he was standing for, I
really appreciate the courageit took because being in the
industry to decide like I'mdoing this in my home country,
I'm not listening to the wholebig machine and everything else,
and going there and just reallyfeeling the empowerment of the
(07:38):
culture and standing by itbecause, you know, what we hear,
you know, I'm just going bywhat I hear in media and stuff
like that.
Puerto Rico isn't regarded aspart of the United States and
always pushed aside.
And it's like, wait a minute,like we have it, it's okay, you
know, right now, the way theUnited States is going, it's
(07:58):
like we could be our owncountry.
It's all right.
But it's really appreciatingthe culture and really helping
the economy, having all thosepeople come there and really
boost the economy and supportthe locals.
I think that was a tremendousstance that he did as an artist,
as a person and as a humanbeing, of really seeing what are
(08:21):
the needs and really using hisartistry for that.
I got really sidetracked, but Iheard Puerto Rico, and I think
that's one of those, you know,things of 2025 that's really
gonna stand out.
That one artist, you know, wealways ask for an artist to show
up in a certain way, and heshowed up tremendously for, you
(08:42):
know, Puerto Rico and thepeople, and then now branching
it out and you know, going tothe Super Bowl and everything
else, which will bring even moredialogue and conversations and
everything else.
So I'm looking forward to allof that.
But it's very empowering thatthat energy of, you know, I feel
like what he has brought to isrenewal of what humanity is and
(09:07):
and how we can connect in thecollective and really support
what cultures are and traditionsand not be so stuck on what
mainstream says is the perfectplace.
It's like no, appreciate whereyou're from and the diversity
and the cultures and everythingelse.
So before we go into a deepdive, would you join me in a
(09:28):
mindful moment so we can groundourselves and open our heart?
Ángel Orengo (09:32):
Please.
Fantastic.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (09:34):
Okay, so before we begin, for the
listeners, many of you listen tothis while driving or needing
your visual.
Safety first, please don'tclose your eyes.
Yet the other prompts you'reable to do with me.
So I'll ask you to getcomfortable in your seating.
And if it's safe to do so,you're gonna gently close your
eyes or soften your gaze.
(09:55):
And you're gonna bring yourawareness to watching your
breath go in and out.
And if it's comfortable to doso, breathe only out and in
through your nose.
Just bring in that awareness,watching the rhythm, not trying
to control your breath, justbeing aware of it, allowing it
(10:20):
to guide you into your body.
There may be some sensations orfeelings coming up, and that's
okay.
Let them come up.
You're safe to feel, you'resafe to let go.
Surrender the need to control,release the need to resist and
(10:44):
just be with your breath, dropdeeper into your body.
Now there may be some thoughtsor to-do lists that have popped
up in your mind, and that'sokay.
Gently bring your awarenessback to your breath, creating
(11:06):
space between the awareness andthe thoughts, and dropping
deeper into the body.
Allowing yourself to just beagain more thoughts may have
popped up.
Begin again, bringing yourawareness back to your breath,
(11:29):
creating even more space betweenthe awareness and the thoughts,
and completely dropping intothe body, into the breath, into
now.
(11:52):
Just always bringing thatawareness back to your breath.
Now taking a nice deep breath inthrough your nose, and when you
exhale, let it out through yourmouth.
Taking another big deep inhalethrough your nose.
(12:15):
And when you exhale out of yourmouth, let it all go.
Now at your own time and atyour own pace, you're gonna
gently open your eyes whilestaying with your breath.
How's your heart doing?
Ángel Orengo (12:35):
Wonderful.
Rocio Aquino (12:39):
Full of joy.
Ángel Orengo (12:44):
That is my happy place.
That peace that you find whenyou go to that place is my happy
place.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (12:54):
Yeah.
I was uh when I introduced thisinto my podcast over a year
ago, I was a little hesitantbecause silence and meditation
isn't the norm of what we say.
We we tell people to meditate,yet I was like, why don't I
invite it in so that we start tomodel what it is, what it looks
(13:14):
like, and how it feels, andgive that permission to somebody
to take those two minutes.
And, you know, two minutes doesa profound effect on people
that they can recalibrate andyou know, have clarity of seeing
where they're stuck in theirhead and to come back into
presence and take responsibilityof their biology and start to
(13:38):
make friends of it with it.
Because when a nervous systemis activated, it's very
difficult, as you mentioned,Rusia, um, the dysregulation,
the fear, the victim mentality,because that has been home.
Chaos has been home.
To venture out into theopenness, into an open heart,
(13:58):
that feels like verythreatening.
Yet the more that you do it,the more you see how profound it
is.
I am looking behind you and Isee orchids and I see the book
orchids.
I want to ask first why thetitle Orchid?
Where did that come from?
Ángel Orengo (14:20):
When we were when we were looking to just one
second, just one second.
Rocio Aquino (14:26):
You know what came to me, Natna?
That finally what I found afterbeing in that difficult
environment of the city, thenoise, the family, the society,
and finally what I found washarmony and how we can find that
(14:53):
in us.
That's the most amazingexperience that today I share
share it with so much carefulbecause finally when you find
that is nothing, nothing,nothing, you don't give it to
(15:18):
anything else.
And it's like a because you arevery clear of every move, every
word, every thought to reallyhave an experience of freedom,
of past, peace.
So thank you so much.
(15:40):
I really love I was not aperson that used to meditate,
and today my meditation is likefor two hours, only to really
understand better myself.
And because I do that, myreaction to the world and
(16:01):
everything that I've been livingis another experience.
So for your listeners is isvery important, and what you
just did, this meditation isincredible.
Incredible in general.
So thank you so much to give usalways this opportunity to
(16:27):
experience.
So now, where is about theorchid and the secret coat of
modern goddesses?
Ángel Orengo (16:36):
Look, when when we were working on the project, uh
a lot of the of the orders, wecall it orders because we feel
that we're serving somethingmuch greater than us.
What the orders arrive throughRocio most of the time.
And at some point, Rocio turnsaround and says, Hey, you know
that project that we think we'regonna work on?
Yes, it's about women.
(16:58):
And I stood there for 30seconds and it was like, Oh, of
course it is, because I had tojust look at my life and
everything behind me that hadsupported me to where I am
today, and a lot of female facescame through, a lot of female
energy as well within me.
So when we were looking for aname for this project and we
(17:20):
searched everything, at firstthe book was going to be called
The Garden because it was kindof the going back to that sacred
place that we've been told thestory about and so on.
And but what kept popping upwas orchids and orchids and the
orchid.
And so we at some pointembraced it and embraced it for
a couple of reasons.
(17:41):
Number one, one that we knew,and two that we learned much
later after the book waspublished.
But the first one was we werelooking for a symbol that
represented all of these amazingwomen that we were talking
about in the book.
And orchids are each one ofthem is more beautiful than the
other.
And then if you go in circle,it just keeps getting like that
(18:02):
because they are so unique.
And they're also emblematic ofthe female genitalia.
And there's so much of it thatit's just resilience.
They grow in the weirdest andcraziest and most difficult of
places.
And so it became a symbol ofwho, of how we wanted to portray
the book.
Later, we found out, and eventhough we did research at the
(18:25):
time, it never showed up, thatthe word orchid comes from
orchids in Greek, and it meanstesticles, because some orchids
have roots that look liketesticles.
So, unbeknownst to us, we chosea symbol that was very feminine
(18:45):
and very masculine at the sametime.
And so we embraced it.
And my gosh, we could havetoday, looking back two years
after writing and publishing thebook, we couldn't think of a
better title and symbol torepresent it.
And not only the book, but whathas become sort of a movement
(19:06):
as we have continued pushing it.
Rocio Aquino (19:09):
And let me add that the orchid in our novel is
the name of the place.
Ángel Orengo (19:16):
Yes.
Rocio Aquino (19:17):
It's like when you go to a place called like
Hilton Marriott, is the orchid,but in this case is the best the
best spa school in the world.
It's a combination of teachersand healers who they bulk all
(19:41):
their knowledge and care forevery person who goes to this
place, have all the nutrientsfor your mind, for your body,
for your soul, for everything toreally help you to be in a safe
(20:02):
place, is a container of lovethat is gonna hold yourself to
really begin to open to findyour light.
So is it's a product ofimagination, but probably in the
(20:23):
future we're gonna do a placelike that because it's really
important for us to experienceourselves in places like this,
where you can go and openyourself, you begin to explore
what is happening and and andreally be that is safe, that we
(20:47):
can do it, that is holding you.
So for that for that reason, weput like a name, the orchid,
and the first book is the secretcode of modern goddesses.
So the book in general is astory of five women, but really
(21:11):
is a bridge, it's a bridge tounderstand yourself and to
understand others, and what arethe journeys of the human?
Every person has a differentjourney, and is what every
person is gonna live.
But if you know some tools,then you can begin to change
(21:38):
your experience for being avictim or sadness, or you are
not enough, to a place ofempowerment.
Oh, I I understand, I can useall this for my advantage.
So that's the place, that's thestory, and Angel has a
(22:04):
beautiful way to describe all ofthe characters and the story in
general, Nana.
I you're gonna love it.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (22:13):
I know I'm looking forward to it.
Uh, as I mentioned before, youguys have sent me the book, but
I didn't get a chance to go pickit up yet.
So I will read it, and I amlooking forward to what it's
gonna dive into because asyou're saying, you're using
experiences, and you know, whatcame to mind as a listener, an
(22:34):
audience, it's like, well, canmen read this?
And the answer that came for meis like, of course they can,
and they can have a betterunderstanding about goddesses
and women and what's withinthemselves.
Another thing I want to ask thetwo of you guys, how did you
get to the space where you'reable to communicate in such a
(22:56):
way of honoring each other andnot interrupting and using those
pauses and really respectingeach other?
I feel that there's been a lotof work that's been put in
place, yet there is a reallygood connection between the two
of these guys.
Ángel Orengo (23:14):
I will yes, thank you for that.
I will tell you it is work inprogress, right?
I she doesn't know this.
I actually never said this, soI'm gonna say it for the first
time.
Wow.
There's often times when she'sspeaking where my ego wants to
jump in, you know, and it's nochill, it's okay.
(23:36):
And so I think you get to apoint of self-observance, of
self-everything, right?
Responsibility, I mentionedbefore, where you know what your
center is, you know you're notin danger, you know that the ego
(23:57):
works to protect you, you knowthat the ego is eager to just.
I want that, I want to be theone talking, I want to do this,
and so being really centered,meditations like the ones you
did just now helps you becauseyou remember your center, and
it's knowing that thatultimately allows for this
(24:24):
perfect dance and balance, whichis what life is all about.
You mentioned also earlier thatwe're used to the chaos, and I
think that stepping away fromthat chaos, you kind of look at
it and you're like, oh, howinteresting.
And it's in fact, is our numberone lesson at the orchid when
(24:47):
you go and go to this amazingspa is awareness.
When you become aware, in fact,if all you do in life is become
aware of yourself, it starts tolead you in a different path.
And so that it's really a lotof awareness.
And then on top of that, if yousprinkle it with love and
respect and the understandingthat every person who's sitting
(25:14):
at the table with you wasbrought to this world to
contribute to this world, and ifthey're in your universe,
probably to contribute to youruniverse as well, then you say,
Then why are you here?
I'm eager, I'm curious to learnabout you and what you bring to
(25:36):
this table because I have afeeling we're gonna learn so
much from you.
And if you approach life thatway, my gosh, then you're always
learning and receiving andappreciating.
So that I believe that's thereason why we have this
connection.
It's it's for me as awareness.
Rocio Aquino (25:55):
And for me, it has been, of course, a learning
curve where society tells youyour relationship needs to be
like this, like this, like this,like this, like this.
And at one point, when Ilearned, like, yes, society
tells you many things, but atthe end, you need to do your own
(26:18):
relationship with yourself andwhen someone else.
All my life I was trying forhim to tell me, do I look okay?
Do you like me?
Like a proof.
And he never, never since thebeginning, was like a do you
(26:38):
feel good about yourself?
And of course I was not.
So was until three years agothat I love myself for the first
time that I understand, likenow I understand what you were
saying 23 years ago.
Wow, what because I didn't knowthat I was putting all my value
(27:05):
to out of me, and I was reallylost to try to please him, my
girls, my the everyone aroundme.
But when I gained thatconfidence, when I gained that
understanding, wisdom, I becamefree.
(27:28):
And then of course that Irespect him more because he was
able to provide the space for meto experience myself, like now
we are doing in the novel foreveryone to experience
themselves with a lot of love.
(27:50):
You see, he provides that spacefor me, and I provide that
space for him.
So it's an understanding thatwe have a lot of love, and it's
not a competition, it's only anexperience.
So when you understand that,that deep is like a okay, so how
(28:16):
cool, let's have fun, and inthat case, our personalities
kick in.
He celebrates like this, and Icelebrate like ah uh, you know,
like a super loud and like uhdancing.
If you see somebody in a partydancing, it's me, and he's more
(28:38):
quiet, and he's having fun rightnow, but he is this is his
phone, and this is my phone, islike a my ecstasy is this, it's
just calmness, it'sunderstanding that we are
different, but he complimentsme, and I compliment him, and
(28:59):
he's is this dance that we do,and I to be honest, I didn't
know that it's gonna be thisgood because you never know.
Ángel Orengo (29:11):
Because you never know, and it's the best it's
been in 25 years.
We've been married 25 years,and the past three have been
just bliss because we have foundthat, and it really does come
down to do you love yourselffully?
Because when you we have a uh asaying which is um when, and
(29:36):
I'm gonna say it with regards towomen, but it applies to men to
your earlier point.
When a woman loves herselfdeeply and completely, she's no
longer at the mercy of externalforces because she becomes the
force.
And that's true, it's what yousaid about um uh bad bunny.
(29:59):
He's a force.
He knows it.
And he's choosing to use it.
And so, and I think the messageto your audience and to
everyone who's watching andlistening, that force is within
you as well.
You just need to figure out howit is looking to express
itself.
Bad bunny is through singing,and maybe now politics for us is
(30:21):
through a story.
To you, well, maybe it'scooking, maybe it's child
caring, maybe is medicine,whatever.
Figure it out.
That is what I think trueauthenticity is when you become
in tune with the force and whatit's trying to become within
you.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (30:44):
A quarter of a century.
That is a long time to bepartnered with someone.
And as you said at thebeginning, you were looking for
validation in him.
And he was like, Nope, I am nota meshing in that.
That is your responsibility.
So I'm sure there was a lot ofthis going on at the beginning
(31:06):
because you were, you know, didnot know what he was trying to
invite you into.
And he was refusing to getcaught up in the codependency
and you know, feeding the woundwhere he wanted you to be worth.
Ángel Orengo (31:22):
But NatNat, you're saying it with an incredible
amount of eloquence.
I had no idea what I was doing.
This was just automatic.
It's just my reaction.
Now I understand.
Looking back, I was as blind asshe was from the different side
of the coin, if you will.
Rocio Aquino (31:40):
We were in different parts of the coin,
totally.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (31:44):
Oh, yeah.
And not understanding, like yousaid, um, is that your
childhood, I take it that therewas a lot of safety and there
was a lot of exploration foryou.
And Roccio didn't have that.
There was a lot of survival,there was a lot of unsafety and
unpredictability.
So when you come from safety,your perception is totally
(32:06):
different and you have differenttool sets.
Whereas somebody that comesfrom survival doesn't even know
anything about the tools thatthey have within.
So they have to bridge it.
So for her, I'm sure it feltlike she was invalidated a lot
of times.
And for you, you were like,this is just, this isn't my
responsibility, but not beingable to articulate it.
(32:27):
And the way that you guys stillstayed in connection and still
work through the journey so thatyou could come to here is a
testament of what really arelationship is.
A lot of people think it's, youknow, shitting out like a
unicorn, shitting out rainbows,and it's so bliss and everything
else.
And marriage is difficult.
It's huge.
(32:48):
And especially when we don'tunderstand our nervous system
language, what trauma does,really what safety really means,
and how to communicate.
Many like a communication isalways evolving because it means
to reveal the parts that youdon't even know about yourself
and to show it to somebody elseand be feeling safe that you
(33:11):
won't abandon yourself wheneverything starts rising up of
feeling unsafe.
Yet it's beautiful that youtrusted, you know, the wisdom
that was within so that it couldbring you to the journey here
and that you have livedexperience to share with others.
That it didn't just all comelike, oh, great theory and all
(33:32):
beautiful.
It's like the diversity of yourlived experiences of where you
went in the world, what youdiscovered with yourself, and
how you still stayed committedinto the growth of the marriage,
which is a beautiful lovestory, how I see it, and would
be translated to so many peopleof really what it is to process
(33:55):
the shit.
Like that's what you guys didis process have a beautiful
garden from it.
Ángel Orengo (34:02):
Thank you.
Thank you for saying that.
It's we often don't umrecognize it.
Um yeah, we become we survive.
We survive.
Look, I I want to addsomething, just I also
experience an incredible amountof pain and hurt in my growing
up.
I come from a very humblebackground.
(34:23):
I remember eating of the samesoup for a week at a time
because we were very poor.
I was sexually abused when Iwas a child.
I come from a, you know, asingle mom.
In fact, when we when wedescribe the five women that we
follow in the book, the fivewomen are the two of us.
(34:43):
There is a sexually abusedmodel, there is a divorced
woman.
Um, we come from divorcedparents and single mothers.
There is a woman that is at theheight of her game.
She just finished giving adiscourse at the United Nations
and steps down from the podium,and all she can think is
everything she did wrong.
(35:04):
This is us through our careersjust looking at that glass half
empty.
There's a woman who's gay andhasn't, at 30 years old, not
told her parents that she is forfear of not being loved.
In our case, it wasn't gender,but it's about the masks that we
wear in order to fit in.
And then there's another womanwho's really angry at the world
(35:24):
for everything she's had tofight, tooth and nail, to make
it where she is and tell me whohasn't been in that role, right?
And so the women are the two ofus, but our experiences from
where we were coming were quitedifferent.
And I did bring along, now Iknow, this set of wisdom tools
that accompanied me throughoutmy growing up and evolution that
(35:49):
led me down a path and didn'tallow for these things to weigh
on me in the way in which itweighs on other people.
And the last thing I will say,I also understand that I was
born into a privileged genderthat for 2,000 plus years, if
not more than that, the malegender, the masculine energy,
(36:12):
has been sort of allowed to beto exist where everything flows
a little bit easier.
You get the job, you get thepromotions, you get the
opportunities, while the femalegender and the feminine energy
has been suppressed.
So I also understand thatthere's an incredible amount of
pain and healing that needs tohappen at an energetic level,
(36:35):
which is why our first effort isabout the feminine energy,
which is, you know, moderngoddesses.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (36:43):
I love it.
I'm like, I'm like, so I'mgoing to get this book today.
Um I love I love how you justbroke it down for people to
really understand theblendedness of how we can meet
ourselves, meet our humanity,meet our wounds, meet our
experiences, and then make thechoice of you see, a lot of
(37:08):
people want to make meaning ofthings, and some things you
cannot make meaning of.
You know, uh, I think it issuch a painful thing when
somebody says, well, it happenedfor a reason.
I'm like, no, you cannot,you're trying to appease and sue
something.
It's like, okay, this is here.
Now, what are you going tochoose to do now?
(37:29):
Like the worst has happened.
Now you have the power of whatis the choice?
Are you going to repeat it orare you going to work at
creating something different?
And I think that is the mostimportant thing because when we
use that, well, everythinghappens for a reason.
It's like sexual abuse andmurder and all these different
(37:50):
things to tell somebody that Iget it in a higher perspective
that we don't control the worldand everything.
Yet in our humanness, in ourmind that wants to always make
meaning, not everything is goingto make meaning.
It's just the power of choice.
And what are you going to dowith that power of choice?
So the way that you've weavedthat into the book is like
(38:13):
magnificent.
And it really shows thegroundedness of listening
intuitively, what wants to comethrough.
So, like being that vessel andbeing that muse of, okay, what
is the message that will go tothe masses?
And that you're able to useyour lived experience with it,
not just it being a theory or itbeing this and that.
(38:36):
Like, this is our roadmap, andthis is what it looked like.
And I'm showing you what'spossible.
I want to bring you intosomewhere right now that is
pertinent.
You said that you're in LosAngeles right now.
You're from Puerto Rico, you'refrom Mexico.
And the story that we'rehearing is about ice and how
(39:00):
that is very prevalent.
How do you ground yourselfaround all of that energy?
Ángel Orengo (39:10):
You want to try or me.
We know this is one of the mostdifficult, challenging topics
right now.
We did an exercise at aretreat.
We were in a not particularlypretty area of the city.
(39:32):
It was very near the airport,which is very industrial.
And this wasn't our retreat.
We were attending andparticipating in the retreat as
participants.
And they gave us envelopes thatwere sealed.
And they put us in couples orin groups of two or three.
(39:52):
And they sent us away, and theysay, When you're away walking
through the street of this notparticularly pretty place, open
the envelopes.
We're like, okay.
So we did.
And one of the instructions inthe envelope was find love
around you.
(40:13):
Another one was find happinessaround you.
And we looked at each otherlike, how the heck are we going
to do that in this industrialplace?
But we kind of stayed true tothe task.
And you know what happened?
We found love and happinessaround us.
Eventually, we walked into thisstore, and there were a couple
(40:36):
of people laughing with eachother, workers, having a great
moment together.
I guess what I'm saying is,where do you want to put your
attention?
There's a lot of things goingon around us.
And perhaps we're living in oneof the most challenging times
because we know everything allthe time very quickly.
(40:58):
On top of that, now there'sother great people out there
who've thought that it's areally good idea to create even
more chaos by telling us thingsthat are not happening, but that
appear to be real.
And so.
And so the question for theperson who's listening, which is
the question I now more thanask myself where I go to, is
(41:18):
where do I want to put myattention?
Because yes, there's a lot ofpain in the world.
There's always been anincredible amount of pain.
We just didn't hear about it,right?
There were earthquakessomewhere, storms and fights and
civil wars, but we didn't hearabout it, and now we do.
But it's something happens whenyou put attention, your
(41:39):
attention, into something thatis positive for you, and you
have that choice.
That's where the choice comesin.
And somehow you get diverted.
It's like when you buy that carand all of a sudden you buy,
you see your car everywherebecause all of a sudden your
attention is on your brand newcar.
So that's how I do it.
This is not to redirect, it'swhat's happening is difficult,
(42:02):
is challenging.
But the question then is forthe people who are experiencing,
especially, it's always likethis with trauma and pain.
What's your responsibility inthe manner?
And I think there'sresponsibility all around.
There's never fully one victim.
Even feeling like a victim is,in fact, something that you
(42:24):
might want to work on because itchanges the way and the reality
in which you live.
And so for me, is that is wesee it, we pray, we meditate on
it, we send good energy.
And I'll close by saying thatonce I read, and I think it was
Mother Teresa who said it, butI'm sure it's been said many
(42:45):
ways.
You're never gonna never inviteme to an anti-war rally.
Because when you add energy,that it's anti-whatever it is
that you're against, all you'rereally doing is reinforcing that
very same energy.
And so she said, invite me to apeace rally.
(43:06):
That is the only antidote towar, and that I will support.
And so I try to be very mindfulof where I put my energy,
knowing that if I join that, I'monly reinforcing it.
And what we do is take a weneed is to take away its power,
(43:27):
and it's one by one individuallythat we do that.
Rocio Aquino (43:31):
Yeah.
I want to add something.
I love what you say, and thankyou for going first because give
me the opportunity to think.
So, in my case, I was born inMexico.
My mom lost everything in anearthquake in '85.
(43:54):
And she was a single motherwith four kids.
So after five years, six years,she died of depression, and
because she was focused all herattention in the difficulties,
(44:14):
in how she was alone, how shewas terrible was feeling.
So since 85, I've beensearching for how you can
contribute to people in thosestates, in the states of most
difficult and vulnerability.
(44:35):
And then at night, I have theopportunity to go around the
world and see the world.
And what I discover is in themoment that you help the
individual to feel better aboutwho he is and forgive the past
(44:56):
and the story that they have,they feel empowered.
They feel empowered to act andto do something.
And that's why the book ishelping people through
storytelling to feel betterabout their story and what
happened five seconds ago.
And it's how I'm gonna act withintention and how I'm gonna
(45:19):
forgive.
Yes, they abuse me, they I wassexually harassed, no, sexually
abused, but that doesn't defyme.
And it's like a this is we needto appeal to that part of us
that is more stronger, and it'snot stronger, it is is light, is
(45:46):
power, is freedom, isexpansion, is possibilities,
abundance, creativity.
We need to put our attention tothose areas of our being to
really, when you are there infront of someone who is losing
everything, is like a you know,it's terrible, it feels
(46:13):
difficult, but you have anoption, and now you can work on
that, and it's personal becausefor me it took me many, many
years to find the answers, butbecause now we can't have this
conversation, we are putting ina book, more and more podcasts
(46:34):
and more information.
People instead of taking 30years is gonna do it faster, and
that is the better place, isthat is the better place to be.
So, of course, I canconcentrate in in the negative,
but you know, better to teachpeople to concentrate in the
(46:57):
possibilities and how you can goout and how you can do how you
can pass this information toyour kids.
Because if more people know andmore people understand, and
they have the bridge tothemselves, to others, we can
make changes for a place ofabundance and creativity.
(47:20):
So that's is let's find in eachother the force to become Bad
Bunny, Taylor Swift, and all thepeople who inspire you to be
your best version of yourself,really, because the world is
(47:43):
waiting for us right now to act.
Really, at one point, a lot ofpeople tell me, don't you miss
to take a coffee with yourfriends?
And is I think what we aredoing right now is so important
to really help people tounderstand how powerful they
(48:05):
are, how we are not so fragile.
We've been believing that weare fragile, but now that more
people are showing us, I wentout, I went out of alcoholism, I
went out to be an addict, Iwent out to to sexual abuse and
(48:29):
not being enough, and all thevictimhood cult.
I went out, so people begin tosee, huh?
If they can do it, I can do it.
And that's is that simple, isto inspire people to feel better
about themselves, even thoughsociety or the consequence are
(48:53):
telling you you are not.
So it's it's a beautiful timeto be alive and to really do in
this work because it's soincredible reward.
Rewarder?
Ángel Orengo (49:09):
Rewarding.
Rocio Aquino (49:10):
Yes.
So not not I love thisconversation.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (49:17):
I thank you.
I wanted to bring it up becauseit's happening right now, and
when we talk about inner work, alot of people will bring the
pessimistic of, oh, that's airyfairy, or that's woo-woo, and
it's easy for you to say you'renot in the trench work.
Yet I used you guys as anexample because you're living it
right now, and of coursethere's going to be activation,
(49:39):
and of course there's gonna bethings.
So I love how you expect.
Rocio Aquino (49:48):
The areas who people lost everything is
humongous.
So I've been in front of peoplewho lose their houses, and I
told them, you know, I lose myhouse 40 years ago.
Ángel Orengo (50:02):
Yeah.
Rocio Aquino (50:04):
But in the moment, it's gonna be super
difficult, and then you're gonnalose your story, but you need
to, we need to survive.
Ángel Orengo (50:15):
May I add something?
Um, Nanad, I I I have thisability to hear stories and
integrate them in a way in whichmany people can't.
I it's always been that way.
So, for example, sayings ofwisdom are very dear to me.
So for the one that says lifeis 10% what happens and 90% how
you react.
(50:36):
Our book is written that way.
It's 10% about the stories ofthe women, and 90% of it is
about the tools that we areproviding throughout the
narrative of the story that thereader can use to get out of
that hole.
But I say that because I alsoheard stories of things that
(50:57):
have happened, and there areexamples.
There's this thing about humanbeings that if we see someone
else doing it, we're like, oh,wait a minute, if they can do
it, I can do it.
So I heard this story of afamily, a couple who was going
to Africa to adopt a child.
And it was like, hmm, okay,that's it's fairly common.
And then the story continues,and they say, and the person
(51:21):
that they adopted was the killerof their son, who had been a
missionary, went to live inAfrica, and that other child had
killed their child.
And I, it's like, wow.
And then one of our daughters,through a series of experiences,
ended up going to Rwanda fortwo weeks with a gentleman who
(51:47):
was one of the only Americans toremain behind when the Rwandan
genocide was happening.
And he saved 400 children, andso he became a bit of a local
hero.
And what she was explaining ismom, dad, in Rwanda, you have
the offspring of the family thatwas killed, and next door,
(52:08):
either the person who did it orthe offspring of the person who
did it, and they're learning tolive together.
And I was all I could see wasexamples of extreme forgiveness,
of the extreme letting go thatis possible by human beings when
they train themselves, whenthey work their issues, when
(52:31):
they understand that we at anytime can be the perpetrator or
the victim of a situation.
We all have been there in oneway or another.
Anyone who says who hasn't,it's probably not being entirely
honest.
And when you do that and say,then who am I?
And then you, you know, youread the Bible and it says,
whoever is free to throw thestone, right, to throw it first,
(52:54):
no one is.
And so when you start to lookat life that way, what you see
is opportunities to go withinand become something more than
it is possible, it is there, andthat we're often told we're not
capable of achieving.
Because everything we're toldin our society is you're not
good enough for this, for that,etc.
(53:15):
Only the geniuses, only thepeople who are special.
That's not true.
We're all special.
But only when you go within,only when you learn and you give
it a try and you try to ridethat bicycle, you're gonna fall
a few times.
But if you persevere, you tapinto a something that allows you
to pick up that thing and rideit in complete balance.
(53:39):
That I believe is the abilitythat the human beings have.
And I think it's untapped.
It's for healing, physically,emotionally, spiritually.
And when you do, you become theforce.
And then it's just beautiful.
And I love it because I thinkwhen everybody becomes that, our
(54:02):
world is better becauseeverything they do gets looked
at from that point of view.
It's more empathetic, moremasculine-feminine balance
between the two.
And that's what I'm excitedabout, and that's why I live my
life now the way I do, because Icontribute more by being
centered and in a high energythan by being afraid, guilty,
(54:25):
angry, shamed, etc.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (54:28):
Yeah.
I'm mindful of time, so I'mgonna I wanna do it this way.
I want to ask you to empowerthe listeners.
And I want you to tap into yournative tongue.
I would love if you would speakit in Spanish and speak to the
listener of what you want toempower them with, and then if
(54:50):
you can translate it after inEnglish a little bit, that you
can.
Yet I want you to be in youryour native tongue and just
speak it freely from the heartof what you think a listener can
use right now in theempowerment.
Okay, I'm gonna do it.
Ángel Orengo (55:07):
First of all, can I just say thank you for that?
Um, it's touch me, so I'm a bitemotional now.
You'll go first, but it'sbeautiful.
So thank you.
Yeah, I'm not sure if I can.
No, I can't, I can't feel it.
(55:27):
Hombre, mujer, quizás no sabes,no importa.
Estamos aquí, Nat Nat, Joángel,Rocío, porque creemos que a
(55:49):
través de ciertas herramientas,en nuestro caso es conciencia,
gratitud, perdón, aceptación eintención, vas a acceder a un
poder inmenso dentro de ti quete va a permitir vivir tu vida
de diferente manera.
(56:10):
También creemos que cuando loaccedas, nuestro mundo is mejor.
Porque cuando tú te encuentrasin ese lugar, in ese lugar donde
fluyes, donde sabes, donde tequieres, donde aprecias y donde
comienzas a ver el mundo dedifferent maneira, my mind is
(56:33):
more.
But most important, connectwith vibration alter.
Muchas gracias.
Rocio Aquino (56:50):
You want to say it in English?
You go first.
You go first.
Sabes una cosa.
Nosotros venimos a este mundomaravilloso a disfrutarlo, a ser
nuestra mejor versión.
(57:11):
Realmente conectar con lo quenos hace único.
Encuéntralo.
Te estamos esperando.
Queremos apoyarte.
Queremos que seas exitosa,exitoso.
Queremos verte brillar en unescenario, en un concierto,
(57:33):
tocando el violín, o bailando, ocreando cualquier cosa que tú
quieras.
En una gimnasia.
Llevando los números.
Te queremos ver ganar.
(57:54):
Te queremos que nos hagas.
Que nos sorprendas.
Muchísimas gracias.
Tú puedes.
Tú puedes porque ya lo estamosviviendo nosotros.
Y es precioso estar en estelugar y lo único que queremos es
compartirlos con más personas.
(58:15):
Así que muchísimas gracias.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (58:24):
I want to leave it there.
For the listeners that arelistening to this, and if you
know you don't understandSpanish, I understood some words
because I speak French and I'mvery engaged in wanting to learn
more about Spanish.
If you want to know what themeaning was because it moved
you, you're going to find outhow you can reach out to them so
(58:46):
that they can translate it toyou.
So Anhal, is that how?
Because I heard her notpronounce G.
Ángel Orengo (58:55):
That's perfect.
That's perfect.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (58:57):
Anal and Rio, could you let the
listeners know where they canfind you, where they can find
the book and everything aboutyou?
Yes.
Ángel Orengo (59:07):
Nana, thank you again for that opportunity, that
experience.
Nothing like connecting withyour tongue.
And I would just like to remindthe listener and the viewer:
our native tongue is love.
All of us.
When you tap into that,language is not even necessary
because you understand, youknow.
(59:30):
Um, we you can find useverywhere.
The book is in English andSpanish, is in electronic,
physical, and audiobook format.
And you can find us onInstagram at theorchidbook
underscore.
You can also find us, and hereyou'll find every single link on
(59:51):
our website,www.theorchidbook.com.
Rocio Aquino (59:56):
The audiobook is in English and Spanish.
Yes.
Do it for a professional and ishas been awarded for the sounds
and everything.
It's really beautiful, and theNobel has been receiving
different awards.
And we are really happy to bedoing what we do.
(01:00:21):
I love what we're doing.
So it's with a lot of love.
Ángel Orengo (01:00:26):
And it's available everywhere.
I failed to mention.
You can find it anywhere wherebooks are sold in some books,
small bookstores in the middleof nowhere.
You may have to find a few daysuntil it arrives.
But Amazon, Audible, Apple,many other platforms, Google,
um, Spotify Premium.
So quite available.
Yes, everywhere.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (01:00:48):
Thank you.
I love when we are open toconnect and grow our light, our
presence and our spirits reallyopened up a really in-depth
conversation.
So, listeners, if you reachthis far, I'm sure your heart
has been touched and you havethe transmission of energy of
(01:01:10):
what's possible and theempowerment.
And if at any time there weregoosebumps or aha, a tear,
please go get the book.
It will reinforce more of thatdepth and of that inner knowing
and trusting yourself andtrusting what you were brought
to create in this world,whatever that may look like for
(01:01:33):
you, and finding that peace andthat center of allowing joy to
be felt and be a part of yourbeing, no matter what other
emotions you're feeling, thatyou can recognize when your
heart has been closed that youhave the ability to open it back
up.
So, Anel and Rocío, I want tothank you for the alchemy you
(01:01:57):
have done in your life.
You have taken those puritiesand you've turned them into
gold.
Yet you didn't keep that goldjust for yourself.
You're sharing it with others.
So thank you so much for thewarrior work you have engaged in
and you continue to engage in.
Thank you for being you.
Thank you for what you havebrought to this podcast, to the
(01:02:21):
listeners, most of all tomyself.
I thank you tremendously.
Rocio Aquino (01:02:26):
Oh, the same.
Ángel Orengo (01:02:27):
Nana, thank you for this space.
Uh I'm sure every single wordyou've said and shared with us,
we can repeat right back to you.
So, you know, the the divine inme acknowledges and sees the
divine in you.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (01:02:42):
Please remember.
Oh, go ahead.
Ángel Orengo (01:02:44):
Thank you.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (01:02:45):
You're welcome.
Please remember to be kind toyourself.
Rocio Aquino (01:02:49):
Yes, to the audience.
Be nice to you is so important,right?
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (01:02:56):
It is, it is, and we forget that.
So that's why I tell people,but it's really for me to listen
to myself also, to remindmyself.
Ángel Orengo (01:03:04):
There is an exercise in our book, which
literally is to sit in front ofa mirror and tell yourself I
love you 108 times.
So until you feel it, until youfeel it.
So yes, thank you for that.
Thank you for that reminder.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (01:03:21):
Hey, you made it all the way here.
I appreciate you and your time.
If you found value in thisconversation, please share it
out.
If there was somebody thatpopped into your mind, take
action and share it out withthem.
It possibly may not be themthat will benefit.
It's that they know somebodythat will benefit from listening
(01:03:42):
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And if you want to inquireabout the work that I do and the
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(01:04:02):
or come into a discovery call atliftoneself.com.
Until next time, pleaseremember to be kind and gentle
with yourself.
You matter.
Welcome to the Lift One Self Podcast.
I'm your host, Nat Nat.
And today I know that we aregoing to have a delightful
conversation because before westarted recording, we were going
deep into, you know, the workthat I do and the work that they
do and just what it is to bepresent with what's with you
(00:20):
right now and to have gratitudefor the things that you do have
and not be so caught up into thelack because the world is
always enticing us to throw themessage that we're not good
enough, that we are lackingthings, and that we have to
achieve and strive to get tothis place of gratitude, of
feeling good about ourselves, ofappreciating what we have.
(00:43):
So we uh Rocio, did I say thatcorrectly?
Yes, Rocio and Angel, or is itAngel?
Ángel Orengo (00:51):
It's both.
Angel, it's perfect.
Yeah.
Okay.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (00:54):
So Rocio and Angel, if you could
please introduce yourselves tomyself and the listeners to let
us know a little bit aboutyourself before we go into this
nice deep dive.
Rocio Aquino (01:06):
I would love to begin.
Hello, my name is Rocio Aquino.
I'm from Mexico City.
I was born there.
Then I have the pre verydifficult life at the beginning
of my life with a lot ofchallenge.
But you know, I was almost togive up.
At one point, I tried to end mylife because I didn't know what
(01:31):
is gonna come when I was 20.
And from there I was really onestep ahead, one step at a time
to go and try to live.
And that made me a person verycurious.
And thanks to the curiosity, Ibecame and I have a wonderful
(01:59):
life.
And even though that I have awonderful life living in Mexico,
Miami, Hong Kong for six years,London for five years, I didn't
enjoy that life.
So I was continued to searchingfor okay, how do you forgive?
(02:20):
What how you really can godeep.
So thanks to that, to thatcuriosity, after going around
the world and visit a lot ofplaces, I discover myself in the
most beautiful and pure way.
(02:42):
So who I am today, I'm a happyperson.
Very, very, very happy.
I understand difficulty, but Idon't want to stay there.
It's like uh I choosing to movein another direction.
So that's today who I am, andyou.
Ángel Orengo (03:04):
And uh I'm from Puerto Rico, born and raised,
have lived in many places aswell.
I think Rusia at one timecounted that she had lived and
moved in probably more than30-something homes throughout
her life.
I've done 20-something.
So there's some uh somethingthat brought us together, I
think.
Um I uh moved around from NewYork to LA to Miami to Mexico,
(03:29):
where we met and pursued acareer in entertainment, tried
many things, wanted to be aphysician at some point early in
my um educational career, butsomething led me in a different
direction.
And so we enteredentertainment.
I used I've sold contentthroughout the world, working
for a Hollywood studio, uh, ledLatin America, led Asia Pacific,
(03:54):
and later led also Europe,Middle East, and Africa.
So that coincides with theplaces where Rocio mentioned
before.
And I didn't know that next tome, the woman that I was living
with was not happy.
I just thought that the worldwas like I always saw it, that
you know, I always saw the glasshalf full.
(04:16):
And I I never understood thatother people have different
experiences.
I mean, you kind of know, butit's sometimes difficult to put
yourself in their shoes until westarted going down the path and
we invested all of our savingson a project that failed.
I was able to take radicalresponsibility for that decision
(04:40):
and let it go.
But Roccio couldn't.
Um, it was deeper for her, itwas a family member as well for
her.
So it just led her down a pathof, and how do you forgive?
And all I could say was, let itgo, because that's how my
system worked.
And she goes, No, it's it'sthat's not working for me.
(05:02):
I need the one, two, three orthe ABC of forgiveness.
And that led us to aconversation in which she says,
I'm going to take a course inspiritual psychology.
I'm going to dedicate some timeto figuring this out.
Would you join me?
And I it was coinciding with myexit from a very successful
corporate career.
(05:24):
And I it the wisdom in me,although I didn't understand it
at the time, said, a door isclosing, but another one is
opening.
Go ahead and walk through it.
And so we began what becamethis beautiful dance.
After 23 years of beingmarried, we became, we really
started, even though we havedanced together in the most
beautiful ways, always withchallenges, ups and downs.
(05:47):
But we started a dance that wecouldn't put, and you said it
earlier before we started thepodcast.
We couldn't put words to it,but we had each other to
validate it.
And we would come out of ourlessons.
We always took lessonsindividually in our rooms.
Um it was always online.
And I would say to her, Are youfeeling the way I'm feeling?
(06:08):
And she said, Yes.
And we just started to talkabout it.
And because we could, it justbecame bigger in our lives.
And then our children, eventhough they weren't taking the
classes or the books, started tochange as well.
And we started to notice thatour world became, it just turned
upside down.
And we were living in bliss.
(06:30):
And when that happened, and aswe started to truly experience
it from within, from the gut,that's when one day Rosia turns
and says, How do we share thiswith the world?
And can we do a television showto do that?
And that has not become a TVshow, but led to the book yet.
That led to the book, and um,we published our book in
(06:53):
February of 24.
So that's a little bit of us.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (06:56):
I love it.
Um, what has been popping in myhead is that I want to ask you
did you go see the Bad Bunnyconcert in Puerto Rico?
Ángel Orengo (07:06):
No, we haven't.
The the Rocillo and ourdaughters went to see it here in
Los Angeles.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (07:14):
Hey, I but it's different now.
Yeah, like to be in Puerto Ricoand what he was standing for, I
really appreciate the courageit took because being in the
industry to decide like I'mdoing this in my home country,
I'm not listening to the wholebig machine and everything else,
and going there and just reallyfeeling the empowerment of the
(07:38):
culture and standing by itbecause, you know, what we hear,
you know, I'm just going bywhat I hear in media and stuff
like that.
Puerto Rico isn't regarded aspart of the United States and
always pushed aside.
And it's like, wait a minute,like we have it, it's okay, you
know, right now, the way theUnited States is going, it's
(07:58):
like we could be our owncountry.
It's all right.
But it's really appreciatingthe culture and really helping
the economy, having all thosepeople come there and really
boost the economy and supportthe locals.
I think that was a tremendousstance that he did as an artist,
as a person and as a humanbeing, of really seeing what are
(08:21):
the needs and really using hisartistry for that.
I got really sidetracked, but Iheard Puerto Rico, and I think
that's one of those, you know,things of 2025 that's really
gonna stand out.
That one artist, you know, wealways ask for an artist to show
up in a certain way, and heshowed up tremendously for, you
(08:42):
know, Puerto Rico and thepeople, and then now branching
it out and you know, going tothe Super Bowl and everything
else, which will bring even moredialogue and conversations and
everything else.
So I'm looking forward to allof that.
But it's very empowering thatthat energy of, you know, I feel
like what he has brought to isrenewal of what humanity is and
(09:07):
and how we can connect in thecollective and really support
what cultures are and traditionsand not be so stuck on what
mainstream says is the perfectplace.
It's like no, appreciate whereyou're from and the diversity
and the cultures and everythingelse.
So before we go into a deepdive, would you join me in a
(09:28):
mindful moment so we can groundourselves and open our heart?
Ángel Orengo (09:32):
Please.
Fantastic.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (09:34):
Okay, so before we begin, for the
listeners, many of you listen tothis while driving or needing
your visual.
Safety first, please don'tclose your eyes.
Yet the other prompts you'reable to do with me.
So I'll ask you to getcomfortable in your seating.
And if it's safe to do so,you're gonna gently close your
eyes or soften your gaze.
(09:55):
And you're gonna bring yourawareness to watching your
breath go in and out.
And if it's comfortable to doso, breathe only out and in
through your nose.
Just bring in that awareness,watching the rhythm, not trying
to control your breath, justbeing aware of it, allowing it
(10:20):
to guide you into your body.
There may be some sensations orfeelings coming up, and that's
okay.
Let them come up.
You're safe to feel, you'resafe to let go.
Surrender the need to control,release the need to resist and
(10:44):
just be with your breath, dropdeeper into your body.
Now there may be some thoughtsor to-do lists that have popped
up in your mind, and that'sokay.
Gently bring your awarenessback to your breath, creating
(11:06):
space between the awareness andthe thoughts, and dropping
deeper into the body.
Allowing yourself to just beagain more thoughts may have
popped up.
Begin again, bringing yourawareness back to your breath,
(11:29):
creating even more space betweenthe awareness and the thoughts,
and completely dropping intothe body, into the breath, into
now.
(11:52):
Just always bringing thatawareness back to your breath.
Now taking a nice deep breath inthrough your nose, and when you
exhale, let it out through yourmouth.
Taking another big deep inhalethrough your nose.
(12:15):
And when you exhale out of yourmouth, let it all go.
Now at your own time and atyour own pace, you're gonna
gently open your eyes whilestaying with your breath.
How's your heart doing?
Ángel Orengo (12:35):
Wonderful.
Rocio Aquino (12:39):
Full of joy.
Ángel Orengo (12:44):
That is my happy place.
That peace that you find whenyou go to that place is my happy
place.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (12:54):
Yeah.
I was uh when I introduced thisinto my podcast over a year
ago, I was a little hesitantbecause silence and meditation
isn't the norm of what we say.
We we tell people to meditate,yet I was like, why don't I
invite it in so that we start tomodel what it is, what it looks
(13:14):
like, and how it feels, andgive that permission to somebody
to take those two minutes.
And, you know, two minutes doesa profound effect on people
that they can recalibrate andyou know, have clarity of seeing
where they're stuck in theirhead and to come back into
presence and take responsibilityof their biology and start to
(13:38):
make friends of it with it.
Because when a nervous systemis activated, it's very
difficult, as you mentioned,Rusia, um, the dysregulation,
the fear, the victim mentality,because that has been home.
Chaos has been home.
To venture out into theopenness, into an open heart,
(13:58):
that feels like verythreatening.
Yet the more that you do it,the more you see how profound it
is.
I am looking behind you and Isee orchids and I see the book
orchids.
I want to ask first why thetitle Orchid?
Where did that come from?
Ángel Orengo (14:20):
When we were when we were looking to just one
second, just one second.
Rocio Aquino (14:26):
You know what came to me, Natna?
That finally what I found afterbeing in that difficult
environment of the city, thenoise, the family, the society,
and finally what I found washarmony and how we can find that
(14:53):
in us.
That's the most amazingexperience that today I share
share it with so much carefulbecause finally when you find
that is nothing, nothing,nothing, you don't give it to
(15:18):
anything else.
And it's like a because you arevery clear of every move, every
word, every thought to reallyhave an experience of freedom,
of past, peace.
So thank you so much.
(15:40):
I really love I was not aperson that used to meditate,
and today my meditation is likefor two hours, only to really
understand better myself.
And because I do that, myreaction to the world and
(16:01):
everything that I've been livingis another experience.
So for your listeners is isvery important, and what you
just did, this meditation isincredible.
Incredible in general.
So thank you so much to give usalways this opportunity to
(16:27):
experience.
So now, where is about theorchid and the secret coat of
modern goddesses?
Ángel Orengo (16:36):
Look, when when we were working on the project, uh
a lot of the of the orders, wecall it orders because we feel
that we're serving somethingmuch greater than us.
What the orders arrive throughRocio most of the time.
And at some point, Rocio turnsaround and says, Hey, you know
that project that we think we'regonna work on?
Yes, it's about women.
(16:58):
And I stood there for 30seconds and it was like, Oh, of
course it is, because I had tojust look at my life and
everything behind me that hadsupported me to where I am
today, and a lot of female facescame through, a lot of female
energy as well within me.
So when we were looking for aname for this project and we
(17:20):
searched everything, at firstthe book was going to be called
The Garden because it was kindof the going back to that sacred
place that we've been told thestory about and so on.
And but what kept popping upwas orchids and orchids and the
orchid.
And so we at some pointembraced it and embraced it for
a couple of reasons.
(17:41):
Number one, one that we knew,and two that we learned much
later after the book waspublished.
But the first one was we werelooking for a symbol that
represented all of these amazingwomen that we were talking
about in the book.
And orchids are each one ofthem is more beautiful than the
other.
And then if you go in circle,it just keeps getting like that
(18:02):
because they are so unique.
And they're also emblematic ofthe female genitalia.
And there's so much of it thatit's just resilience.
They grow in the weirdest andcraziest and most difficult of
places.
And so it became a symbol ofwho, of how we wanted to portray
the book.
Later, we found out, and eventhough we did research at the
(18:25):
time, it never showed up, thatthe word orchid comes from
orchids in Greek, and it meanstesticles, because some orchids
have roots that look liketesticles.
So, unbeknownst to us, we chosea symbol that was very feminine
(18:45):
and very masculine at the sametime.
And so we embraced it.
And my gosh, we could havetoday, looking back two years
after writing and publishing thebook, we couldn't think of a
better title and symbol torepresent it.
And not only the book, but whathas become sort of a movement
(19:06):
as we have continued pushing it.
Rocio Aquino (19:09):
And let me add that the orchid in our novel is
the name of the place.
Ángel Orengo (19:16):
Yes.
Rocio Aquino (19:17):
It's like when you go to a place called like
Hilton Marriott, is the orchid,but in this case is the best the
best spa school in the world.
It's a combination of teachersand healers who they bulk all
(19:41):
their knowledge and care forevery person who goes to this
place, have all the nutrientsfor your mind, for your body,
for your soul, for everything toreally help you to be in a safe
(20:02):
place, is a container of lovethat is gonna hold yourself to
really begin to open to findyour light.
So is it's a product ofimagination, but probably in the
(20:23):
future we're gonna do a placelike that because it's really
important for us to experienceourselves in places like this,
where you can go and openyourself, you begin to explore
what is happening and and andreally be that is safe, that we
(20:47):
can do it, that is holding you.
So for that for that reason, weput like a name, the orchid,
and the first book is the secretcode of modern goddesses.
So the book in general is astory of five women, but really
(21:11):
is a bridge, it's a bridge tounderstand yourself and to
understand others, and what arethe journeys of the human?
Every person has a differentjourney, and is what every
person is gonna live.
But if you know some tools,then you can begin to change
(21:38):
your experience for being avictim or sadness, or you are
not enough, to a place ofempowerment.
Oh, I I understand, I can useall this for my advantage.
So that's the place, that's thestory, and Angel has a
(22:04):
beautiful way to describe all ofthe characters and the story in
general, Nana.
I you're gonna love it.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (22:13):
I know I'm looking forward to it.
Uh, as I mentioned before, youguys have sent me the book, but
I didn't get a chance to go pickit up yet.
So I will read it, and I amlooking forward to what it's
gonna dive into because asyou're saying, you're using
experiences, and you know, whatcame to mind as a listener, an
(22:34):
audience, it's like, well, canmen read this?
And the answer that came for meis like, of course they can,
and they can have a betterunderstanding about goddesses
and women and what's withinthemselves.
Another thing I want to ask thetwo of you guys, how did you
get to the space where you'reable to communicate in such a
(22:56):
way of honoring each other andnot interrupting and using those
pauses and really respectingeach other?
I feel that there's been a lotof work that's been put in
place, yet there is a reallygood connection between the two
of these guys.
Ángel Orengo (23:14):
I will yes, thank you for that.
I will tell you it is work inprogress, right?
I she doesn't know this.
I actually never said this, soI'm gonna say it for the first
time.
Wow.
There's often times when she'sspeaking where my ego wants to
jump in, you know, and it's nochill, it's okay.
(23:36):
And so I think you get to apoint of self-observance, of
self-everything, right?
Responsibility, I mentionedbefore, where you know what your
center is, you know you're notin danger, you know that the ego
(23:57):
works to protect you, you knowthat the ego is eager to just.
I want that, I want to be theone talking, I want to do this,
and so being really centered,meditations like the ones you
did just now helps you becauseyou remember your center, and
it's knowing that thatultimately allows for this
(24:24):
perfect dance and balance, whichis what life is all about.
You mentioned also earlier thatwe're used to the chaos, and I
think that stepping away fromthat chaos, you kind of look at
it and you're like, oh, howinteresting.
And it's in fact, is our numberone lesson at the orchid when
(24:47):
you go and go to this amazingspa is awareness.
When you become aware, in fact,if all you do in life is become
aware of yourself, it starts tolead you in a different path.
And so that it's really a lotof awareness.
And then on top of that, if yousprinkle it with love and
respect and the understandingthat every person who's sitting
(25:14):
at the table with you wasbrought to this world to
contribute to this world, and ifthey're in your universe,
probably to contribute to youruniverse as well, then you say,
Then why are you here?
I'm eager, I'm curious to learnabout you and what you bring to
(25:36):
this table because I have afeeling we're gonna learn so
much from you.
And if you approach life thatway, my gosh, then you're always
learning and receiving andappreciating.
So that I believe that's thereason why we have this
connection.
It's it's for me as awareness.
Rocio Aquino (25:55):
And for me, it has been, of course, a learning
curve where society tells youyour relationship needs to be
like this, like this, like this,like this, like this.
And at one point, when Ilearned, like, yes, society
tells you many things, but atthe end, you need to do your own
(26:18):
relationship with yourself andwhen someone else.
All my life I was trying forhim to tell me, do I look okay?
Do you like me?
Like a proof.
And he never, never since thebeginning, was like a do you
(26:38):
feel good about yourself?
And of course I was not.
So was until three years agothat I love myself for the first
time that I understand, likenow I understand what you were
saying 23 years ago.
Wow, what because I didn't knowthat I was putting all my value
(27:05):
to out of me, and I was reallylost to try to please him, my
girls, my the everyone aroundme.
But when I gained thatconfidence, when I gained that
understanding, wisdom, I becamefree.
(27:28):
And then of course that Irespect him more because he was
able to provide the space for meto experience myself, like now
we are doing in the novel foreveryone to experience
themselves with a lot of love.
(27:50):
You see, he provides that spacefor me, and I provide that
space for him.
So it's an understanding thatwe have a lot of love, and it's
not a competition, it's only anexperience.
So when you understand that,that deep is like a okay, so how
(28:16):
cool, let's have fun, and inthat case, our personalities
kick in.
He celebrates like this, and Icelebrate like ah uh, you know,
like a super loud and like uhdancing.
If you see somebody in a partydancing, it's me, and he's more
(28:38):
quiet, and he's having fun rightnow, but he is this is his
phone, and this is my phone, islike a my ecstasy is this, it's
just calmness, it'sunderstanding that we are
different, but he complimentsme, and I compliment him, and
(28:59):
he's is this dance that we do,and I to be honest, I didn't
know that it's gonna be thisgood because you never know.
Ángel Orengo (29:11):
Because you never know, and it's the best it's
been in 25 years.
We've been married 25 years,and the past three have been
just bliss because we have foundthat, and it really does come
down to do you love yourselffully?
Because when you we have a uh asaying which is um when, and
(29:36):
I'm gonna say it with regards towomen, but it applies to men to
your earlier point.
When a woman loves herselfdeeply and completely, she's no
longer at the mercy of externalforces because she becomes the
force.
And that's true, it's what yousaid about um uh bad bunny.
(29:59):
He's a force.
He knows it.
And he's choosing to use it.
And so, and I think the messageto your audience and to
everyone who's watching andlistening, that force is within
you as well.
You just need to figure out howit is looking to express
itself.
Bad bunny is through singing,and maybe now politics for us is
(30:21):
through a story.
To you, well, maybe it'scooking, maybe it's child
caring, maybe is medicine,whatever.
Figure it out.
That is what I think trueauthenticity is when you become
in tune with the force and whatit's trying to become within
you.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (30:44):
A quarter of a century.
That is a long time to bepartnered with someone.
And as you said at thebeginning, you were looking for
validation in him.
And he was like, Nope, I am nota meshing in that.
That is your responsibility.
So I'm sure there was a lot ofthis going on at the beginning
(31:06):
because you were, you know, didnot know what he was trying to
invite you into.
And he was refusing to getcaught up in the codependency
and you know, feeding the woundwhere he wanted you to be worth.
Ángel Orengo (31:22):
But NatNat, you're saying it with an incredible
amount of eloquence.
I had no idea what I was doing.
This was just automatic.
It's just my reaction.
Now I understand.
Looking back, I was as blind asshe was from the different side
of the coin, if you will.
Rocio Aquino (31:40):
We were in different parts of the coin,
totally.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (31:44):
Oh, yeah.
And not understanding, like yousaid, um, is that your
childhood, I take it that therewas a lot of safety and there
was a lot of exploration foryou.
And Roccio didn't have that.
There was a lot of survival,there was a lot of unsafety and
unpredictability.
So when you come from safety,your perception is totally
(32:06):
different and you have differenttool sets.
Whereas somebody that comesfrom survival doesn't even know
anything about the tools thatthey have within.
So they have to bridge it.
So for her, I'm sure it feltlike she was invalidated a lot
of times.
And for you, you were like,this is just, this isn't my
responsibility, but not beingable to articulate it.
(32:27):
And the way that you guys stillstayed in connection and still
work through the journey so thatyou could come to here is a
testament of what really arelationship is.
A lot of people think it's, youknow, shitting out like a
unicorn, shitting out rainbows,and it's so bliss and everything
else.
And marriage is difficult.
It's huge.
(32:48):
And especially when we don'tunderstand our nervous system
language, what trauma does,really what safety really means,
and how to communicate.
Many like a communication isalways evolving because it means
to reveal the parts that youdon't even know about yourself
and to show it to somebody elseand be feeling safe that you
(33:11):
won't abandon yourself wheneverything starts rising up of
feeling unsafe.
Yet it's beautiful that youtrusted, you know, the wisdom
that was within so that it couldbring you to the journey here
and that you have livedexperience to share with others.
That it didn't just all comelike, oh, great theory and all
(33:32):
beautiful.
It's like the diversity of yourlived experiences of where you
went in the world, what youdiscovered with yourself, and
how you still stayed committedinto the growth of the marriage,
which is a beautiful lovestory, how I see it, and would
be translated to so many peopleof really what it is to process
(33:55):
the shit.
Like that's what you guys didis process have a beautiful
garden from it.
Ángel Orengo (34:02):
Thank you.
Thank you for saying that.
It's we often don't umrecognize it.
Um yeah, we become we survive.
We survive.
Look, I I want to addsomething, just I also
experience an incredible amountof pain and hurt in my growing
up.
I come from a very humblebackground.
(34:23):
I remember eating of the samesoup for a week at a time
because we were very poor.
I was sexually abused when Iwas a child.
I come from a, you know, asingle mom.
In fact, when we when wedescribe the five women that we
follow in the book, the fivewomen are the two of us.
(34:43):
There is a sexually abusedmodel, there is a divorced
woman.
Um, we come from divorcedparents and single mothers.
There is a woman that is at theheight of her game.
She just finished giving adiscourse at the United Nations
and steps down from the podium,and all she can think is
everything she did wrong.
(35:04):
This is us through our careersjust looking at that glass half
empty.
There's a woman who's gay andhasn't, at 30 years old, not
told her parents that she is forfear of not being loved.
In our case, it wasn't gender,but it's about the masks that we
wear in order to fit in.
And then there's another womanwho's really angry at the world
(35:24):
for everything she's had tofight, tooth and nail, to make
it where she is and tell me whohasn't been in that role, right?
And so the women are the two ofus, but our experiences from
where we were coming were quitedifferent.
And I did bring along, now Iknow, this set of wisdom tools
that accompanied me throughoutmy growing up and evolution that
(35:49):
led me down a path and didn'tallow for these things to weigh
on me in the way in which itweighs on other people.
And the last thing I will say,I also understand that I was
born into a privileged genderthat for 2,000 plus years, if
not more than that, the malegender, the masculine energy,
(36:12):
has been sort of allowed to beto exist where everything flows
a little bit easier.
You get the job, you get thepromotions, you get the
opportunities, while the femalegender and the feminine energy
has been suppressed.
So I also understand thatthere's an incredible amount of
pain and healing that needs tohappen at an energetic level,
(36:35):
which is why our first effort isabout the feminine energy,
which is, you know, moderngoddesses.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (36:43):
I love it.
I'm like, I'm like, so I'mgoing to get this book today.
Um I love I love how you justbroke it down for people to
really understand theblendedness of how we can meet
ourselves, meet our humanity,meet our wounds, meet our
experiences, and then make thechoice of you see, a lot of
(37:08):
people want to make meaning ofthings, and some things you
cannot make meaning of.
You know, uh, I think it issuch a painful thing when
somebody says, well, it happenedfor a reason.
I'm like, no, you cannot,you're trying to appease and sue
something.
It's like, okay, this is here.
Now, what are you going tochoose to do now?
(37:29):
Like the worst has happened.
Now you have the power of whatis the choice?
Are you going to repeat it orare you going to work at
creating something different?
And I think that is the mostimportant thing because when we
use that, well, everythinghappens for a reason.
It's like sexual abuse andmurder and all these different
(37:50):
things to tell somebody that Iget it in a higher perspective
that we don't control the worldand everything.
Yet in our humanness, in ourmind that wants to always make
meaning, not everything is goingto make meaning.
It's just the power of choice.
And what are you going to dowith that power of choice?
So the way that you've weavedthat into the book is like
(38:13):
magnificent.
And it really shows thegroundedness of listening
intuitively, what wants to comethrough.
So, like being that vessel andbeing that muse of, okay, what
is the message that will go tothe masses?
And that you're able to useyour lived experience with it,
not just it being a theory or itbeing this and that.
(38:36):
Like, this is our roadmap, andthis is what it looked like.
And I'm showing you what'spossible.
I want to bring you intosomewhere right now that is
pertinent.
You said that you're in LosAngeles right now.
You're from Puerto Rico, you'refrom Mexico.
And the story that we'rehearing is about ice and how
(39:00):
that is very prevalent.
How do you ground yourselfaround all of that energy?
Ángel Orengo (39:10):
You want to try or me.
We know this is one of the mostdifficult, challenging topics
right now.
We did an exercise at aretreat.
We were in a not particularlypretty area of the city.
(39:32):
It was very near the airport,which is very industrial.
And this wasn't our retreat.
We were attending andparticipating in the retreat as
participants.
And they gave us envelopes thatwere sealed.
And they put us in couples orin groups of two or three.
(39:52):
And they sent us away, and theysay, When you're away walking
through the street of this notparticularly pretty place, open
the envelopes.
We're like, okay.
So we did.
And one of the instructions inthe envelope was find love
around you.
(40:13):
Another one was find happinessaround you.
And we looked at each otherlike, how the heck are we going
to do that in this industrialplace?
But we kind of stayed true tothe task.
And you know what happened?
We found love and happinessaround us.
Eventually, we walked into thisstore, and there were a couple
(40:36):
of people laughing with eachother, workers, having a great
moment together.
I guess what I'm saying is,where do you want to put your
attention?
There's a lot of things goingon around us.
And perhaps we're living in oneof the most challenging times
because we know everything allthe time very quickly.
(40:58):
On top of that, now there'sother great people out there
who've thought that it's areally good idea to create even
more chaos by telling us thingsthat are not happening, but that
appear to be real.
And so.
And so the question for theperson who's listening, which is
the question I now more thanask myself where I go to, is
(41:18):
where do I want to put myattention?
Because yes, there's a lot ofpain in the world.
There's always been anincredible amount of pain.
We just didn't hear about it,right?
There were earthquakessomewhere, storms and fights and
civil wars, but we didn't hearabout it, and now we do.
But it's something happens whenyou put attention, your
(41:39):
attention, into something thatis positive for you, and you
have that choice.
That's where the choice comesin.
And somehow you get diverted.
It's like when you buy that carand all of a sudden you buy,
you see your car everywherebecause all of a sudden your
attention is on your brand newcar.
So that's how I do it.
This is not to redirect, it'swhat's happening is difficult,
(42:02):
is challenging.
But the question then is forthe people who are experiencing,
especially, it's always likethis with trauma and pain.
What's your responsibility inthe manner?
And I think there'sresponsibility all around.
There's never fully one victim.
Even feeling like a victim is,in fact, something that you
(42:24):
might want to work on because itchanges the way and the reality
in which you live.
And so for me, is that is wesee it, we pray, we meditate on
it, we send good energy.
And I'll close by saying thatonce I read, and I think it was
Mother Teresa who said it, butI'm sure it's been said many
(42:45):
ways.
You're never gonna never inviteme to an anti-war rally.
Because when you add energy,that it's anti-whatever it is
that you're against, all you'rereally doing is reinforcing that
very same energy.
And so she said, invite me to apeace rally.
(43:06):
That is the only antidote towar, and that I will support.
And so I try to be very mindfulof where I put my energy,
knowing that if I join that, I'monly reinforcing it.
And what we do is take a weneed is to take away its power,
(43:27):
and it's one by one individuallythat we do that.
Rocio Aquino (43:31):
Yeah.
I want to add something.
I love what you say, and thankyou for going first because give
me the opportunity to think.
So, in my case, I was born inMexico.
My mom lost everything in anearthquake in '85.
(43:54):
And she was a single motherwith four kids.
So after five years, six years,she died of depression, and
because she was focused all herattention in the difficulties,
(44:14):
in how she was alone, how shewas terrible was feeling.
So since 85, I've beensearching for how you can
contribute to people in thosestates, in the states of most
difficult and vulnerability.
(44:35):
And then at night, I have theopportunity to go around the
world and see the world.
And what I discover is in themoment that you help the
individual to feel better aboutwho he is and forgive the past
(44:56):
and the story that they have,they feel empowered.
They feel empowered to act andto do something.
And that's why the book ishelping people through
storytelling to feel betterabout their story and what
happened five seconds ago.
And it's how I'm gonna act withintention and how I'm gonna
(45:19):
forgive.
Yes, they abuse me, they I wassexually harassed, no, sexually
abused, but that doesn't defyme.
And it's like a this is we needto appeal to that part of us
that is more stronger, and it'snot stronger, it is is light, is
(45:46):
power, is freedom, isexpansion, is possibilities,
abundance, creativity.
We need to put our attention tothose areas of our being to
really, when you are there infront of someone who is losing
everything, is like a you know,it's terrible, it feels
(46:13):
difficult, but you have anoption, and now you can work on
that, and it's personal becausefor me it took me many, many
years to find the answers, butbecause now we can't have this
conversation, we are putting ina book, more and more podcasts
(46:34):
and more information.
People instead of taking 30years is gonna do it faster, and
that is the better place, isthat is the better place to be.
So, of course, I canconcentrate in in the negative,
but you know, better to teachpeople to concentrate in the
(46:57):
possibilities and how you can goout and how you can do how you
can pass this information toyour kids.
Because if more people know andmore people understand, and
they have the bridge tothemselves, to others, we can
make changes for a place ofabundance and creativity.
(47:20):
So that's is let's find in eachother the force to become Bad
Bunny, Taylor Swift, and all thepeople who inspire you to be
your best version of yourself,really, because the world is
(47:43):
waiting for us right now to act.
Really, at one point, a lot ofpeople tell me, don't you miss
to take a coffee with yourfriends?
And is I think what we aredoing right now is so important
to really help people tounderstand how powerful they
(48:05):
are, how we are not so fragile.
We've been believing that weare fragile, but now that more
people are showing us, I wentout, I went out of alcoholism, I
went out to be an addict, Iwent out to to sexual abuse and
(48:29):
not being enough, and all thevictimhood cult.
I went out, so people begin tosee, huh?
If they can do it, I can do it.
And that's is that simple, isto inspire people to feel better
about themselves, even thoughsociety or the consequence are
(48:53):
telling you you are not.
So it's it's a beautiful timeto be alive and to really do in
this work because it's soincredible reward.
Rewarder?
Ángel Orengo (49:09):
Rewarding.
Rocio Aquino (49:10):
Yes.
So not not I love thisconversation.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (49:17):
I thank you.
I wanted to bring it up becauseit's happening right now, and
when we talk about inner work, alot of people will bring the
pessimistic of, oh, that's airyfairy, or that's woo-woo, and
it's easy for you to say you'renot in the trench work.
Yet I used you guys as anexample because you're living it
right now, and of coursethere's going to be activation,
(49:39):
and of course there's gonna bethings.
So I love how you expect.
Rocio Aquino (49:48):
The areas who people lost everything is
humongous.
So I've been in front of peoplewho lose their houses, and I
told them, you know, I lose myhouse 40 years ago.
Ángel Orengo (50:02):
Yeah.
Rocio Aquino (50:04):
But in the moment, it's gonna be super
difficult, and then you're gonnalose your story, but you need
to, we need to survive.
Ángel Orengo (50:15):
May I add something?
Um, Nanad, I I I have thisability to hear stories and
integrate them in a way in whichmany people can't.
I it's always been that way.
So, for example, sayings ofwisdom are very dear to me.
So for the one that says lifeis 10% what happens and 90% how
you react.
(50:36):
Our book is written that way.
It's 10% about the stories ofthe women, and 90% of it is
about the tools that we areproviding throughout the
narrative of the story that thereader can use to get out of
that hole.
But I say that because I alsoheard stories of things that
(50:57):
have happened, and there areexamples.
There's this thing about humanbeings that if we see someone
else doing it, we're like, oh,wait a minute, if they can do
it, I can do it.
So I heard this story of afamily, a couple who was going
to Africa to adopt a child.
And it was like, hmm, okay,that's it's fairly common.
And then the story continues,and they say, and the person
(51:21):
that they adopted was the killerof their son, who had been a
missionary, went to live inAfrica, and that other child had
killed their child.
And I, it's like, wow.
And then one of our daughters,through a series of experiences,
ended up going to Rwanda fortwo weeks with a gentleman who
(51:47):
was one of the only Americans toremain behind when the Rwandan
genocide was happening.
And he saved 400 children, andso he became a bit of a local
hero.
And what she was explaining ismom, dad, in Rwanda, you have
the offspring of the family thatwas killed, and next door,
(52:08):
either the person who did it orthe offspring of the person who
did it, and they're learning tolive together.
And I was all I could see wasexamples of extreme forgiveness,
of the extreme letting go thatis possible by human beings when
they train themselves, whenthey work their issues, when
(52:31):
they understand that we at anytime can be the perpetrator or
the victim of a situation.
We all have been there in oneway or another.
Anyone who says who hasn't,it's probably not being entirely
honest.
And when you do that and say,then who am I?
And then you, you know, youread the Bible and it says,
whoever is free to throw thestone, right, to throw it first,
(52:54):
no one is.
And so when you start to lookat life that way, what you see
is opportunities to go withinand become something more than
it is possible, it is there, andthat we're often told we're not
capable of achieving.
Because everything we're toldin our society is you're not
good enough for this, for that,etc.
(53:15):
Only the geniuses, only thepeople who are special.
That's not true.
We're all special.
But only when you go within,only when you learn and you give
it a try and you try to ridethat bicycle, you're gonna fall
a few times.
But if you persevere, you tapinto a something that allows you
to pick up that thing and rideit in complete balance.
(53:39):
That I believe is the abilitythat the human beings have.
And I think it's untapped.
It's for healing, physically,emotionally, spiritually.
And when you do, you become theforce.
And then it's just beautiful.
And I love it because I thinkwhen everybody becomes that, our
(54:02):
world is better becauseeverything they do gets looked
at from that point of view.
It's more empathetic, moremasculine-feminine balance
between the two.
And that's what I'm excitedabout, and that's why I live my
life now the way I do, because Icontribute more by being
centered and in a high energythan by being afraid, guilty,
(54:25):
angry, shamed, etc.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (54:28):
Yeah.
I'm mindful of time, so I'mgonna I wanna do it this way.
I want to ask you to empowerthe listeners.
And I want you to tap into yournative tongue.
I would love if you would speakit in Spanish and speak to the
listener of what you want toempower them with, and then if
(54:50):
you can translate it after inEnglish a little bit, that you
can.
Yet I want you to be in youryour native tongue and just
speak it freely from the heartof what you think a listener can
use right now in theempowerment.
Okay, I'm gonna do it.
Ángel Orengo (55:07):
First of all, can I just say thank you for that?
Um, it's touch me, so I'm a bitemotional now.
You'll go first, but it'sbeautiful.
So thank you.
Yeah, I'm not sure if I can.
No, I can't, I can't feel it.
(55:27):
Hombre, mujer, quizás no sabes,no importa.
Estamos aquí, Nat Nat, Joángel,Rocío, porque creemos que a
(55:49):
través de ciertas herramientas,en nuestro caso es conciencia,
gratitud, perdón, aceptación eintención, vas a acceder a un
poder inmenso dentro de ti quete va a permitir vivir tu vida
de diferente manera.
(56:10):
También creemos que cuando loaccedas, nuestro mundo is mejor.
Porque cuando tú te encuentrasin ese lugar, in ese lugar donde
fluyes, donde sabes, donde tequieres, donde aprecias y donde
comienzas a ver el mundo dedifferent maneira, my mind is
(56:33):
more.
But most important, connectwith vibration alter.
Muchas gracias.
Rocio Aquino (56:50):
You want to say it in English?
You go first.
You go first.
Sabes una cosa.
Nosotros venimos a este mundomaravilloso a disfrutarlo, a ser
nuestra mejor versión.
(57:11):
Realmente conectar con lo quenos hace único.
Encuéntralo.
Te estamos esperando.
Queremos apoyarte.
Queremos que seas exitosa,exitoso.
Queremos verte brillar en unescenario, en un concierto,
(57:33):
tocando el violín, o bailando, ocreando cualquier cosa que tú
quieras.
En una gimnasia.
Llevando los números.
Te queremos ver ganar.
(57:54):
Te queremos que nos hagas.
Que nos sorprendas.
Muchísimas gracias.
Tú puedes.
Tú puedes porque ya lo estamosviviendo nosotros.
Y es precioso estar en estelugar y lo único que queremos es
compartirlos con más personas.
(58:15):
Así que muchísimas gracias.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (58:24):
I want to leave it there.
For the listeners that arelistening to this, and if you
know you don't understandSpanish, I understood some words
because I speak French and I'mvery engaged in wanting to learn
more about Spanish.
If you want to know what themeaning was because it moved
you, you're going to find outhow you can reach out to them so
(58:46):
that they can translate it toyou.
So Anhal, is that how?
Because I heard her notpronounce G.
Ángel Orengo (58:55):
That's perfect.
That's perfect.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (58:57):
Anal and Rio, could you let the
listeners know where they canfind you, where they can find
the book and everything aboutyou?
Yes.
Ángel Orengo (59:07):
Nana, thank you again for that opportunity, that
experience.
Nothing like connecting withyour tongue.
And I would just like to remindthe listener and the viewer:
our native tongue is love.
All of us.
When you tap into that,language is not even necessary
because you understand, youknow.
(59:30):
Um, we you can find useverywhere.
The book is in English andSpanish, is in electronic,
physical, and audiobook format.
And you can find us onInstagram at theorchidbook
underscore.
You can also find us, and hereyou'll find every single link on
(59:51):
our website,www.theorchidbook.com.
Rocio Aquino (59:56):
The audiobook is in English and Spanish.
Yes.
Do it for a professional and ishas been awarded for the sounds
and everything.
It's really beautiful, and theNobel has been receiving
different awards.
And we are really happy to bedoing what we do.
(01:00:21):
I love what we're doing.
So it's with a lot of love.
Ángel Orengo (01:00:26):
And it's available everywhere.
I failed to mention.
You can find it anywhere wherebooks are sold in some books,
small bookstores in the middleof nowhere.
You may have to find a few daysuntil it arrives.
But Amazon, Audible, Apple,many other platforms, Google,
um, Spotify Premium.
So quite available.
Yes, everywhere.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (01:00:48):
Thank you.
I love when we are open toconnect and grow our light, our
presence and our spirits reallyopened up a really in-depth
conversation.
So, listeners, if you reachthis far, I'm sure your heart
has been touched and you havethe transmission of energy of
(01:01:10):
what's possible and theempowerment.
And if at any time there weregoosebumps or aha, a tear,
please go get the book.
It will reinforce more of thatdepth and of that inner knowing
and trusting yourself andtrusting what you were brought
to create in this world,whatever that may look like for
(01:01:33):
you, and finding that peace andthat center of allowing joy to
be felt and be a part of yourbeing, no matter what other
emotions you're feeling, thatyou can recognize when your
heart has been closed that youhave the ability to open it back
up.
So, Anel and Rocío, I want tothank you for the alchemy you
(01:01:57):
have done in your life.
You have taken those puritiesand you've turned them into
gold.
Yet you didn't keep that goldjust for yourself.
You're sharing it with others.
So thank you so much for thewarrior work you have engaged in
and you continue to engage in.
Thank you for being you.
Thank you for what you havebrought to this podcast, to the
(01:02:21):
listeners, most of all tomyself.
I thank you tremendously.
Rocio Aquino (01:02:26):
Oh, the same.
Ángel Orengo (01:02:27):
Nana, thank you for this space.
Uh I'm sure every single wordyou've said and shared with us,
we can repeat right back to you.
So, you know, the the divine inme acknowledges and sees the
divine in you.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (01:02:42):
Please remember.
Oh, go ahead.
Ángel Orengo (01:02:44):
Thank you.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (01:02:45):
You're welcome.
Please remember to be kind toyourself.
Rocio Aquino (01:02:49):
Yes, to the audience.
Be nice to you is so important,right?
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (01:02:56):
It is, it is, and we forget that.
So that's why I tell people,but it's really for me to listen
to myself also, to remindmyself.
Ángel Orengo (01:03:04):
There is an exercise in our book, which
literally is to sit in front ofa mirror and tell yourself I
love you 108 times.
So until you feel it, until youfeel it.
So yes, thank you for that.
Thank you for that reminder.
LiftOneSelf - NatNat Be (01:03:21):
Hey, you made it all the way here.
I appreciate you and your time.
If you found value in thisconversation, please share it
out.
If there was somebody thatpopped into your mind, take
action and share it out withthem.
It possibly may not be themthat will benefit.
It's that they know somebodythat will benefit from listening
(01:03:42):
to this conversation.
So please take action and shareout the podcast.
You can find us on socialmedia, on Facebook, Instagram,
and TikTok under LiftOneself.
And if you want to inquireabout the work that I do and the
services that I provide topeople, come over on my website
(01:04:02):
or come into a discovery call atliftoneself.com.
Until next time, pleaseremember to be kind and gentle
with yourself.
You matter.
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