November 3, 2025 • 55 mins
What if your body could trust your dreams?
In this raw EFT tapping session, we tackle a high-stakes fear: promoting a deeply personal book while living with brain lesions, chronic pain, and the very real risk that stress could trigger relapse.
Tapping coach Amy Vincze guides a live session that moves from 9/10 head pain to 2/10 in 45 minutes—not through bypassing fear, but by meeting it exactly where it lives in the body.
You'll learn:
✓ The complete tapping sequence (follow along)
✓ Why honest words must come before affirmations
✓ How early trauma shapes current procrastination
✓ Safety-first strategies for ambitious creative work
✓ The real-world tangle of disability benefits + visibility
This isn't about pushing through. It's about building nervous system capacity *first*, then taking one small step from that regulated place. Perfect for anyone navigating chronic illness, creative blocks, or the fear that ambition might break you.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Before we begin today's episode, I want to give
you some context.
I am in the hot seat.
I'm going into a tappingsession, which is called EFT
with Amy, and I'm veryvulnerable.
I talk about my health.
I talk about the book.
I talk about financessurrounding disability and the
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fear of success, the fear oflosing my finances and also
failure.
It's very vulnerable.
It has some emotional charges.
So be aware of yourself.
And if you're a visual learner,I have the visual conversation
on YouTube.
So the link is in the shownotes.
So go take a look if you want tosee actually what that looks
(00:44):
like.
And, you know, if this isn't foryou, just skip along.
It's all right.
Go to another episode that wouldbe more engaging.
If you sound like, whoo, I wantto learn a little more,
especially if you have chronicillness, disability, or you want
to try a new modality becauseyou feel there's some stuckness
in your body and you want tomove it through.
It was very transformational forme.
(01:07):
So again, vulnerability,warning, be aware of yourself.
And also, you know, just becurious of trying something new
if you're willing to.
So let's do this work together.
Welcome to the Lift One Selfpodcast.
I'm your host, NatNat.
And today I am putting myself inthe hot seat.
(01:28):
And I am going to go through anEFT tapping session with our
guest, Amy.
And she's going to let you knowwhat EFT is, because I'm sure
some of you might be like, Whatare you talking about?
So, Amy, could you pleasegraciously introduce yourself
and let the listeners know alittle bit about who you are and
what EFT is and what brought youthere?
SPEAKER_02 (01:50):
I would love to.
Thank you for having me today,Nat Nat.
Appreciate it.
Um, my name is Amy Vinsa.
I am a tapping coach and havebeen a tapping coach for over 16
years, but I've also been inmany other areas of the wellness
industry for over 20 years as anutritional therapist and a
colon hydrotherapist and an NLPpractitioner, kind of done the
(02:14):
whole rounds trying to find mything, my thing that really
stuck with me.
And tapping has been it by far.
I was um introduced by totapping by a friend of mine, um,
gosh, over 20 years ago.
And I got certified shortlythereafter because I had been
(02:34):
diagnosed with breast cancer,and I was on a mission to really
uncover why I got it.
Um I was have always been areally curious person.
And so I've especially abouthuman nature, really just
wanting so deeply to understandhow and why people do the things
that they do.
(02:56):
And I had kind of an intuitionthat my cancer was brought about
because I was in a reallydepressed state at the time.
And I had a really loud criticalvoice going on in my head
constantly.
And I think that that negativitycreated a mass.
(03:20):
And um, so I needed to uncoverthe reasons why I got into that
negative place so that I couldavoid getting cancer again.
That was my whole motivation.
Like I just don't wanna want tohave history repeat itself, sort
of thing.
But my family, there was nohistory of breast cancer in my
family, nothing like that.
So it came where really out ofthe blue.
(03:41):
Um, so I found tapping and Ihad, I'm gonna say, limited
success with it at first.
Sometimes when I was workingwith my own coach, I would have
great success.
Sometimes it would just kind offall flat, and I didn't
understand what the differencewas.
Um, but about seven years ago, Ihad another crisis moment in my
life where just everything waskind of crumbling around me with
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my job and my body was in pain alot, and I was having anxiety
attacks every day.
And I started tapping instead oftapping at a high level, like on
the symptoms that I wasexperiencing, I really um tried
to get to what was underneaththe symptoms.
And I got down to the roottrauma, which is that my dad
(04:28):
left when I was little, and Imade a decision when I was
little that there was somethingwrong with me.
And so I was constantly lookingat the world through that lens,
and it shaped every singledecision I made, every single
friendship, every single job,every single like relationship,
you name it.
Um and so when I startedapplying tapping to the trauma
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of him leaving and the fear thatthere was something wrong with
me, and that I was unworthy andundeserving of anything good,
that was when my life trulychanged.
And I that I was able torecognize how powerful this tool
really is because it doesn'tjust help in a moment.
It's not just a band-aid in ananxious moment, or um, you know,
(05:18):
feeling really hurt or sad orsomething like that.
Well, it and it it is great forthose things, but it can
actually heal trauma from theroot and make it so that you
don't have to experience thesymptoms, which are things like
procrastination and addictionand I don't know, um, people
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pleasing and perfectionism andbeing a workaholic, you know,
whatever it is, those are allsymptoms of fears and limiting
beliefs that have resulted fromtrauma.
So if you get to the source ofthat and you apply tapping to
the source, that's when you cantruly experience massive
transformation in your life.
And that was the moment when Iquit my job and I started my
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practice and I built the app.
And because it just became soimportant to me to make sure
everybody knows that this toolis available to them.
SPEAKER_00 (06:13):
Thank you for that.
And thank you for, you know, um,EFT, a lot of people started
hearing about it probably like10 years ago there was a buzz.
Yeah, you're talking about 20years ago.
So you were in a space wherepeople were probably thinking it
was woo-woo, it doesn't have anykind of value.
Oh, people still think it'swoo-woo, right?
(06:34):
Oh, yeah.
And it's, you know,unfortunately the world isn't
being introduced about thenervous system and what we
subscribe to, you know, a lot ofpeople are like, trauma is me.
And it's like, no, it's theexperience and how you
experienced it.
And then there's this powerfulthing about beliefs and what is
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the script you created aroundthat belief because of your
defense mechanisms that aretrying to protect you from these
emotions that you don't know howto feel and process.
So a lot of people are like,Well, I know how I know how to
feel.
Like I cry all the time.
And it's like, okay, you'refeeling it, but are you
processing your emotion?
Can you understand why the tearsare there?
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Are you able to listen to what'scoming up in the body?
And many of them are like, oh,that that's a different level.
And it's like, yeah.
So as I said, I'm willing to bein the hot seat and uh work come
through in a session with youand allow the listeners to see
(07:38):
the gift that you have and putmy vulnerability out there.
Um, I've done some other, I'vedone inner child work, I've done
um Akashic Records, I've doneothers.
So the vulnerability, Iappreciate that I can provide
that for myself while alsoallowing other people to see
what that is.
(07:58):
So it gives them permission togo deeper within themselves.
So, Amy, take the lead and Iwill follow.
SPEAKER_02 (08:06):
Okay.
You did ask me, I forgot toanswer this part.
You did ask me to give thelisteners a little explanation
about what tapping is.
So if you'll indulge me, I'll dothat really quick so people
understand exactly what'shappening and why it's so
powerful.
Um, it's really a combination ofthree different modalities.
The first one being energytherapy, just like acupuncture,
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using the 14 energy meridiansfound in Chinese medicine.
But obviously, instead of usingneedles on our acupressure
points, we are using thepercussion of tapping on our
acupressure points in order tohelp break up blocked energy and
allow it to start flowing again.
Because when our energy isflowing in our body, that's when
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we were in a state of healing orin a state of health.
So that's what we want.
We want flowing energy.
And a fear or a limiting beliefor a trauma of some kind results
in a blockage of our energy insome area of our body.
Um, and so we need to break thatup and help it to flow again.
And then there is the cognitivetherapy aspect because you are
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actively talking about what youwant to release while you are
tapping on your acupressurepoints.
And verbally releasing andtalking about your feelings is a
really powerful tool because itis actually getting things out
of your body.
And um, people often will tellme how cathartic it is to
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actually say the words asopposed to just having these
swirling thoughts in their headwithout anywhere for them to
land.
So getting them out of theirbody is a really important
aspect.
And then there is the somatictherapy aspect, because when we
are in a state of anxiety orstress or overwhelm of any kind,
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um, our amygdala has beentriggered, and we are in a state
of fight or flight, and worryingabout we're worrying about the
past or we're worrying about thefuture.
And so bringing all of ourenergy back into our body, you
can't help but do that becauseyou are tapping on your body and
you are actively feeling thetapping.
(10:21):
So you're bringing your bodyback, your energy back into your
body and back into this presentmoment where actually everything
is okay.
There is no threat in thispresent moment, typically when
you're doing a tapping session.
So that is your most powerful,most efficient place to be is in
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the present and in your body.
And so when you combine allthree of those things, it is a
really powerful um process foryour body to go through.
And it will lower cortisol inyour body 43% faster than if you
had done nothing else.
It will lower your heart rate,your blood pressure, it will
increase your immune systemresponse, and it will increase
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happiness levels.
So all of that is happeningwhile you're doing this simple
thing of tapping on youracupressure points and talking
about what you are feeling.
So, with that in mind, I do wantto go through all of the tapping
points really quick before weactually start working with you.
Um, because all tappingpractitioners will use probably
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a little bit different points.
I like to tap on all 14 energymeridians just because I'm here.
I want to make sure I'm gettingthe most bang for my buck.
So I'm tapping on both sides ofmy body on all 14 meridians.
Um, so the first point is justdown from your pinky finger,
it's called the karate chappoint.
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Like if you were gonna hack apiece of wood with your hand and
you tap those two spot spotstogether, and this is where
we're gonna say something calledan even though statement.
Um, like even though I'm feelingreally sad right now, I still
love and honor all my thoughtsand feelings about this.
So we'll say that three times,and then we go into what's
called repeater phrases, tappingon different points in our body.
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So the first point is right hereat the beginning of your
eyebrows.
So I like to tap with a coupleof fingers just to make sure
that I'm covering the rightspot, and not so hard that
you're hurting yourself, buthard enough so that you feel it.
And then the second point is onthe side of your eye, right at
your temple.
And then under your eye, on yourcheekbone, and then under your
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nose, under your mouth,collarbone point.
If you find the beginning ofyour collarbone, you're gonna go
down about an inch.
There's a little valley inbetween your collarbone and your
ribs on either side of yoursternum.
So that's where you want to tap.
And then under your arms, rightwhere for women it's right where
your bra strap is, pretty much.
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I hug myself.
Um, some people go like this, oryou can just do one side or the
other, whatever's mostcomfortable.
And then on your ribs, justbelow your breasts, so right
right there, right under yourunderwire, basically.
Okay.
And then your wrists, you've gotthree spots.
There's one on the outside,middle, and outside.
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So I'm tapping my wriststogether and I'm turning them so
I can get all three spots.
Another way to do it is to kindof go like this with your
fingers so that you can makesure and hit all three spots.
And then the last one is up ontop of your head.
So as we're saying theserepeater phrases, we'll we say
one repeater phrase like, I'mfeeling so sad right now.
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And then we move to the nextspot, and then we say another
repeater phrase, like, um, Ifeel all the sadness in my
heart.
And then we go to the next spot,and we just keep going around
and around.
And it's okay if one spot feelsbetter than the others, and you
can stay there for a while.
You don't have to tap whereexactly where I'm tapping, but
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you just need to keep movingeventually.
So you might stay there for awhile if the collarbone point
feels really good, um, or yourcheekbone feels really good.
Um, but you just keep movingaround eventually.
SPEAKER_00 (14:17):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (14:17):
So what we're gonna do is um talk about a little bit
about what it is you want towork on today, NatNat.
And then we will take a rating,zero to ten, to figure out where
you are on the intensity of umyour emotion around this topic.
And then we'll do a tappinground and we'll take another
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rating and see how much it'scome down.
unknown (14:40):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (14:40):
Okay.
So what you mentioned umpromoting your work.
You have a book coming out soon,and you have to go out and do
some promotion, huh?
Yes.
Yes.
Tell me about it.
What's what's uh what do youfeel like are blocks in the way
of you doing that?
SPEAKER_00 (14:56):
Um I think it's like the imposter imposter syndrome
that's coming up.
It's complete, and I've goneback to editing so many times
because I know once somebodyelse reads it, it's going to
bring me the feedback.
Is it good or it's not?
Although I've sent it to manybeta readers, and they've all
(15:19):
come back about this is a bookthat I wish I had and that I
need.
And they just had some had noediting, others just had some
ways.
Um, other so I've already gottenthat positive feedback, yet
still the little lingering partis still like it's not gonna be
of anything, and why are youeven bothering and just leave it
(15:41):
where it is and don't even putyourself out there?
SPEAKER_02 (15:43):
Mm-hmm.
And what um what would be yourworst fear come true if you were
to go out there and startpromoting?
What would be the absolute worstthing that you can imagine
happening?
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
And I wouldn't have the energy to manage all of the
attention and the scheduling andputting myself out there.
SPEAKER_02 (16:08):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (16:09):
And um what's underneath that fear?
SPEAKER_02 (16:12):
Why wouldn't you have the energy?
SPEAKER_00 (16:13):
I had lesions in my brain 11 years ago, so I almost
died.
I had lesions in my cerebellumand brainstem, and I don't have
a diagnosis for it.
And I was told I was gonna die,yet I'm still here, and I was
told if I was gonna live, I'd bein a wheelchair and all that.
Yet, thankfully, to meditation,those things started reversing.
So similar to your story.
(16:35):
Oh my goodness.
And stress is one of the bigthings.
So, and I understand that stressis a very big thing, and I
understand that the reason whyis because of my early sexual
trauma and um my familyorientation and a sense of
abandonment.
So my nervous system was wiredin very hyper-vigilance and
(16:58):
survival.
And so I was very highfunctioning and going, going,
going.
And then my body said stop.
Although, you know, I stilldon't know if it could have been
even a virus or other thingsbecause medically I don't have
it.
Yet um what I do know is thatwhen the lesions start getting
activated or whatnot, my energycomes down.
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So I it's like a fatigue um thatcomes in.
So now putting myself out there,it's activating cortisol and I
can feel it.
However, it's to rewire mynervous system that I'm safe to
um speak and to offer what I'vegone through.
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And because when I was young, myteachers used to ridicule and
say how stupid I was orcriticize and stuff like that.
So the education part is inthere that I don't have anything
and I'm not intelligent.
Uh yet it's um, I know that notto be true, yet my body still,
(18:02):
when I'm speaking this, I canfeel the tinglies and the you
know it's not true, but it stillfeels like possibility that they
did have something.
So um I've worked in there, yetI can still feel that there's
certain parts.
And I've I've, you know, takenaction.
Like I said, I've completed thebook and I just have to, I could
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give it to an editor right now.
I'm just like, okay, let me justsee if there's a little bit more
that I can put that's that'smore vulnerable that I was
holding back from revealing frommyself about this work because
the the title of the book iscalled The Gift Wrapped in
Sandpaper.
So it's really understanding thenervous system, emotions, and
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what we go through andeverything else.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:50):
Okay, wow.
Wow, Nat Nat.
Yeah.
Okay, I'm new to this.
You might have explained thistrauma on your podcast before,
but this feels like brand new tome.
But so what I'm hearing thoughare two totally different um
blockages that both need to beaddressed.
One is the imposter syndrome andthe history of teachers, you
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know, telling you you're stupidand you're not intelligent, and
uh, you know, there's adifferent aspect to that than
putting yourself out there,risking your health and possibly
death for a book that feelsreally important and you're
passionate about.
So there's your body body fears,and then there is kind of
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judgment and criticism fears umthat are based kind of in
trauma.
And this one is also based intrauma, obviously.
They're two two totallydifferent things and both need
to be addressed, but we can't doboth.
So which one do you which onefeels more significant?
SPEAKER_00 (19:55):
I think the body one of the cortisol and and making
sure that my body feels safe inthis unknown and publishing and
everything else.
So the rewiring of that, becausethe limiting belief I can work
with that, and I've alreadydone, you know, created the book
and everything else.
So obviously, I it's nothijacking me to the point where
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I don't know how to do it.
Um, and I'm doing these podcastsand everything else.
It's the making sure that mynervous system feels regulated
with putting myself out there.
SPEAKER_02 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Because if death is thepossibility, then I can imagine
that the idea of puttingyourself out there and promoting
this can be really scary.
Really, really scary.
SPEAKER_00 (20:44):
And there's the financial aspect because I'm on
a disability because I had toretire from that.
So my disability has it, andthen it's like the success.
If I get a whole bunch of money,then that disability goes away.
And will I be able to supportmyself in this new area?
SPEAKER_02 (21:01):
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
So, yes, that's those are somebig things.
I'm going to separate out thethe financial stuff too.
That is another aspect that umI'm familiar with because of one
another client of mine, and itjust really puts you in a rock
between a rock and a hard place.
Like you are not encouraged togo out there and like you know,
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make a success of yourselfbecause there's a lot of
consequences that happen withmaking more money.
Yeah.
More money than what theirthreshold is, which is really
little.
Really low.
Yeah.
Really low.
Okay.
Whew.
Yeah, there's a lot of bigblocks here.
SPEAKER_00 (21:43):
See, and I don't see it as big.
Like I know that my body isreacting, yet I also, because of
what I experienced 11 years agoand how my life had to transform
so much and the way that my lifeis.
I know I'm I'm taken care of.
It's to trust to go to thisother layer.
(22:05):
Like I call it Donkey Kong, likethese levels that you have to go
through, and you're at one leveland you're at the top, but you
just don't know what that nextlevel looks like, and you just
don't want to fall back down orwhatnot.
Yet it's like, no, no, no.
You trust that you're taken careof, and whatever you have to
navigate, you'll have thecapacity.
Yeah.
(22:25):
Easier said than done.
And I've had to walk thisjourney all the time.
I just I can feel that I'm at auh a space where I'm going to
evolve.
And it's just to reinforce mybody that we're safe to do this
again.
We're safe to leap again intothis new dimension.
SPEAKER_02 (22:44):
Okay.
Okay.
So I'm going to ask you to closeyour eyes for a second.
And I want you to sink yourawareness down into your body.
And when you think about all thestress and the cortisol and the
scheduling, and you know,whatever you need to do to put
yourself in in front of peoplein order to promote this book
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and how much energy it's goingto take.
Where do you feel it in yourbody?
And what is the if we could namethe emotion, what is it that you
feel?
And then zero to ten, what is iton a on that scale?
SPEAKER_00 (23:21):
I feel it in my face.
I feel it in my kind of cheeksthat there's a feeling that I'm
being like there's a rising,like a pulling um sensation
that's coming on.
And I do feel it in my chestalso.
Um the feeling is a mixture offear yet excitement, also, and
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they're intertwined with eachother.
They're um can you name thefear?
The fear is failure of um beingridiculed, the fear of
stability.
What about your body?
SPEAKER_02 (24:02):
My body feels feel feel the fear associated with
your body and your history,physical history.
SPEAKER_00 (24:11):
My my head just throbs in with that fear.
SPEAKER_02 (24:16):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (24:17):
And then my chest feels um, it's not tight, it's
um, it's just like there's ablock there.
There's a heaviness there, butit's not like a constriction,
like I can feel openness, butthere's like a um an armor, like
there's something blocking righthere.
SPEAKER_02 (24:38):
Okay, and zero to ten, how strong is that
sensation in your in your chestin particular?
SPEAKER_00 (24:46):
Unless I put my awareness on it, I don't really
notice it, but feeling it rightnow.
Yes, I do want you to put yourawareness on it.
Maybe a four.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (24:56):
That's actually not that.
SPEAKER_00 (24:58):
No, it's not like it's not a whoo, like, but my
head, that's a different story.
SPEAKER_02 (25:04):
Okay, well then what is your head?
SPEAKER_00 (25:05):
The throttle is probably like a nine.
SPEAKER_02 (25:08):
Nine, okay.
Yeah.
Focusing on the wrong thing.
Okay.
Okay, and is it painful?
Yeah.
It's painful, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (25:22):
Yeah, I've been, you know, because of the lesions and
because they left scarring, I'vebeen dealing with pain for like
11 years.
But the pain is in a way of umenergy, but recently the pain is
here now.
I didn't feel the pain before,but the pain is back.
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So I'm like, oh, okay.
There's a lot of cortisolprobably going through.
So my body is trying tocommunicate with me.
SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
Mm-hmm.
See, what I find challengingwith these things is that I know
my nervous system is veryintelligent.
So I always want it to surrenderand work with it and not create
this illusion of I got it alltogether.
It's like be vulnerable, and butI know this thing is so
intelligent of hijacking thatI'm like, okay, just calm down
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and just reveal yourself andeverything.
If that makes sense, if yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (26:19):
Yeah, because our our subconscious mind is always
scanning the horizon forpotential threats based on the
pain that we've alreadyexperienced, right?
And so it sees this new level ofeffort that you are putting
yourself in the path of.
And it's like, you know, itdoes, it's not always rational.
In fact, most of the time it isnot rational in its response.
(26:41):
Yeah.
Um, but it it bases its responseon who you were when it happened
the first time.
So it doesn't recognize how muchyou've evolved and how much
you've grown.
So but it's still firing off andyou know, really intense signals
(27:04):
that we need to pay attention tobecause obviously it's still
living somewhere in our body,and we need to neutralize that.
Okay, so let's start uh tappingyour karate chat point together.
And you're just gonna repeatafter me and tap where I tap and
say what I say.
Even though I have a lot of fearabout how my body's gonna react
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to this next phase in my career.
Even though oh, sorry, say thatagain.
Even though I have a lot offear, even though I have a lot
of fear about how my body'sgonna react to this next phase.
How my body's gonna react tothis next phase in my career.
I have been taking it easy for along time.
(27:47):
I have been taking it easy for along time.
Trying to educate myself aboutwhat I've experienced and why.
Trying to educate myself on whatI experienced and why.
And I felt compelled to writethis book and teach other people
about what's happening.
SPEAKER_00 (28:07):
I felt compelled to write this book and teach other
people of what could happen.
Because I want to help.
SPEAKER_02 (28:15):
Because I want to help.
I don't want anybody else tohave to struggle like I did in
the beginning.
I don't want anyone else tostruggle like I did in the
beginning.
And but I'm also putting myselfin a really vulnerable position
physically.
SPEAKER_01 (28:31):
I'm also putting myself in a vulnerable position
vulnerably and risking a lotphysically.
SPEAKER_02 (28:40):
Um because I get hyper-vigilant.
Because I get hyper-vigilant,and I have a lot of cortisol
rushing through my body, and Ihave a lot of cortisol rushing
through my body.
And it could have a negativeimpact on my health, and it
could have a negative impact onmy health.
So I've got my head is throbbingin pain around this.
(29:05):
My head is throbbing in painaround this.
And I deeply honor all mythoughts and feelings, and I
deeply honor all my thoughts andfeelings.
Even though I've got a lot offear about next steps in my
career, even though I have a lotof fear on the next steps in my
career.
SPEAKER_01 (29:24):
And it's no wonder.
And it's no wonder.
SPEAKER_02 (29:27):
I had a lot of stress in my life for many
years.
Had a lot of stress in my lifefor many years, and my body
reacted really severely to allthat stress.
And my body reacted veryseverely to all the stress.
So I feel like I'm taking a hugerisk by putting myself out there
again.
SPEAKER_00 (29:47):
So I feel like I'm taking a huge risk by putting
myself out there again.
SPEAKER_02 (29:52):
Ultimately, I could die from this effort.
SPEAKER_01 (29:55):
Ultimately, I could die from this effort.
So it's no wonder I'm scared.
So it's no wonder I'm scared.
SPEAKER_02 (30:02):
And I deeply honor all parts of who I am
completely.
SPEAKER_01 (30:06):
And I deeply honor all parts of who I am
completely.
SPEAKER_02 (30:10):
Even though I have this fear about all the effort
it's going to take to promote mybook.
Even though I have all this fearof all the efforts it's going to
take to promote my book.
And I'm having visceralreactions in my body when I
think about it.
And I'm having visceralreactions in my body when I
think about it.
I have a throbbing pain in myhead.
SPEAKER_01 (30:32):
I have a throbbing pain in my head.
SPEAKER_02 (30:35):
And I have a heaviness in my heart.
And I have a heaviness in myheart.
It feels like heavy armor.
Feels like heavy armor.
And I deeply honor everythingI'm feeling.
And I deeply honor everythingthat I'm feeling.
And I honor my courage intackling this issue.
SPEAKER_01 (30:54):
And I honor my courage in tackling this issue.
SPEAKER_02 (30:58):
Okay, now we're going to move to the repeater
phrases and tapping around theother points.
We're going to start on oureyebrow point.
All this fear about um promotingmy book.
SPEAKER_01 (31:09):
All this fear about promoting my book.
SPEAKER_02 (31:13):
On the side of your eye.
It's going to take so muchenergy.
SPEAKER_01 (31:17):
It's going to take so much energy.
SPEAKER_02 (31:19):
It's going to require a lot of efforts and
scheduling.
SPEAKER_01 (31:24):
It's going to require a lot of efforts and
scheduling.
SPEAKER_02 (31:27):
And putting myself out there.
SPEAKER_01 (31:29):
And putting myself out there.
SPEAKER_02 (31:32):
All of which is going to trigger cortisol in my
body.
SPEAKER_00 (31:36):
All of which is going to cord trigger cortisol
in my body.
SPEAKER_02 (31:40):
And I'm already feeling myself getting in that
hyper-vigilant mode.
SPEAKER_00 (31:44):
I'm already feeling myself getting in that
hyper-vigilant mode.
SPEAKER_02 (31:49):
And I know why I have it.
SPEAKER_01 (31:55):
It's because of all the trauma that I had as a kid.
SPEAKER_02 (32:01):
But I want to be able to um handle this
differently now.
I want to be able to handle thisdifferently now.
I've done so much work towardsunderstanding what happened in
my body back then.
SPEAKER_01 (32:14):
I've done so much work on understanding what
happened on my body back then.
SPEAKER_02 (32:19):
I've gained so many resources to be able to manage
that stress along the way.
SPEAKER_00 (32:25):
I've gained so many resources to manage that stress
along the way.
The truth is, I'm not the sameperson I was back then.
The truth is, I'm not the sameperson I was back then.
SPEAKER_02 (32:38):
But it was a really painful experience to go
through.
SPEAKER_00 (32:42):
But it was a really painful experience to go
through.
SPEAKER_02 (32:45):
A really scary experience to go through.
SPEAKER_00 (32:47):
A really scary experience to go through.
SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
Especially when people are predicting that I'm
gonna be in a wheelchair therest of my life.
SPEAKER_00 (32:55):
Especially when people were predicting that I
would be in a wheelchair therest of my life.
SPEAKER_02 (33:00):
And I'm scared that I'm risking that again.
SPEAKER_01 (33:03):
I'm scared that I'm risking that again.
SPEAKER_02 (33:07):
And I just want to honor that at the deepest level.
SPEAKER_01 (33:10):
And I just want to honor that in the deepest level.
SPEAKER_02 (33:13):
Because I am fearing for my a part of me is fearing
for my life as I take thesesteps forward.
SPEAKER_01 (33:20):
Part of me is fearing for my life as I take
these steps forward.
SPEAKER_02 (33:25):
And at the same time, I feel compelled to do it.
SPEAKER_01 (33:29):
At the same time, I feel compelled to do it.
SPEAKER_02 (33:32):
I feel compelled to offer whatever wisdom I've
gained.
SPEAKER_01 (33:37):
I feel compelled to offer whatever wisdom I've
gained.
SPEAKER_02 (33:41):
In the hopes that it could change the perspective of
one person.
SPEAKER_00 (33:45):
In the hopes that it it would change the perspective.
Yeah.
In the hopes that it wouldchange the perspective of
another person.
SPEAKER_02 (33:54):
And maybe help them along their path.
SPEAKER_00 (33:56):
And maybe help them along their path.
SPEAKER_02 (34:00):
And I just want to honor that at the deepest level.
SPEAKER_01 (34:03):
And I just want to honor that at the deepest level.
SPEAKER_02 (34:07):
Promoting myself would push me far outside my
comfort zone.
SPEAKER_00 (34:11):
Promoting myself would push me far outside of my
comfort zone.
SPEAKER_02 (34:16):
In more ways than one.
SPEAKER_00 (34:17):
In more ways than one.
SPEAKER_02 (34:20):
But all of those ways could trigger the fight or
flight mode in my body.
SPEAKER_00 (34:26):
Well, all of those ways, or one of those ways,
could trigger the fight orflight in my body.
SPEAKER_02 (34:33):
And release lots of cortisol.
SPEAKER_00 (34:35):
And release lots of cortisol.
SPEAKER_02 (34:37):
And create the potential for more brain
lesions.
SPEAKER_00 (34:40):
And create the potential of more brain lesions.
SPEAKER_02 (34:45):
And I feel those shifts happening in my body
again.
SPEAKER_01 (34:49):
And I feel those shifts happening in my body
again.
SPEAKER_02 (34:52):
My head is in throbbing pain.
SPEAKER_01 (34:56):
My head is in throbbing pain.
SPEAKER_02 (34:59):
And I have a heaviness in my heart.
SPEAKER_01 (35:01):
And I have a heaviness in my heart.
SPEAKER_02 (35:03):
And I'm scared.
SPEAKER_01 (35:05):
And I'm scared.
SPEAKER_02 (35:07):
I'm so scared.
SPEAKER_01 (35:09):
I'm so scared.
SPEAKER_02 (35:10):
I don't want to put myself through that again.
SPEAKER_01 (35:13):
I don't want to put myself through that again.
SPEAKER_02 (35:16):
And I deeply honor all my thoughts and feelings
about this.
SPEAKER_00 (35:19):
And I deeply honor all my thoughts and feelings
around this.
SPEAKER_02 (35:25):
Thank goodness I've done so much work.
SPEAKER_01 (35:28):
Thank goodness I've done so much work.
SPEAKER_02 (35:30):
And I have so many tools now.
SPEAKER_01 (35:33):
And I have so many tools now.
SPEAKER_02 (35:36):
I have my meditation.
SPEAKER_01 (35:38):
I have my meditation.
Now I have tapping.
Now I have tapping.
SPEAKER_02 (35:44):
And it's possible that I could manage this really
well.
SPEAKER_00 (35:50):
And it's possible that I can manage this really
well.
SPEAKER_02 (35:53):
At even the slightest hint that my body is
too stressed.
SPEAKER_00 (35:59):
And even at the slightest hint that my body is
too stressed, I can be vigilantin a different way.
I can be vigilant in a differentway.
SPEAKER_02 (36:08):
And take care of myself.
SPEAKER_00 (36:10):
And take care of myself.
SPEAKER_02 (36:13):
If I start feeling the slightest hint of a reaction
in my body.
SPEAKER_00 (36:18):
If I feel the slightest hint of a reaction in
my body, I can stop everything.
I can stop everything.
SPEAKER_02 (36:27):
Turn inward.
Turn inward and do my work.
SPEAKER_00 (36:32):
And do my work.
SPEAKER_02 (36:36):
Utilize my resources.
SPEAKER_00 (36:38):
Utilize my resources.
SPEAKER_02 (36:40):
And heal that part of myself that's really
stressed.
SPEAKER_00 (36:44):
And heal that part of myself that's really
stressed.
SPEAKER_02 (36:47):
And I deeply honor my courage in taking this
approach.
And I deeply honor my courage oftaking this approach.
Okay, nice deep breath.
Okay, Natna, keeping your eyesclosed.
(37:10):
I want you to sink yourawareness down back into your
body, but in particular in yourheart and in your head as well.
And tell me where you are inyour in your heart with the
heaviness in your heart.
You were at a four.
I'd say a one.
Nice.
And what about the throbbing inyour head?
SPEAKER_00 (37:32):
I'd say a four.
SPEAKER_02 (37:34):
Oh my goodness, you came down a lot on both of those
numbers.
That's really huge.
SPEAKER_00 (37:39):
Yeah.
And what do you think is left inthat four?
I think until I go through theexperience, my body is still
gonna be in hypervigilance.
It's until I think because I'mprocrastinating a bit on the
book, that it's looping in myhead, that it's something that I
promised myself to get done andI'm not doing it.
(38:01):
So until I actually do it, mybody is also not believing in my
words or the experience.
So it needs to have a livedexperience, not just me talking
myself through it and changingthe expectations and the things
around the book.
(38:23):
Um, and just letting it releaseand facing whatever comes, but
also reminding, as you said inthe tapping, that I have the
power to stop everything or orshift it in a different way.
SPEAKER_01 (38:37):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02 (38:40):
Okay, let's do one more quick tapping round because
I I I tend to tap for a reallylong time.
So I'm sorry, it's longer thanyou expected.
Um, let's do one more becauseyour numbers have gotten down to
like anything below like a threeand a four, um, we can really
(39:00):
pile on like positivereinforcement and your body and
your mind will believe it now.
Cause when you're at like anine, your body's like bullshit,
you know, when you start sayingpositive stuff like I don't
believe that for one bit.
Like you're not gonna convinceme otherwise.
But when you get your numberdown to a three or four, then
your body and your mind canstart really accepting the
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positive reinforcement aroundit.
So that's why we honor andacknowledge, I'm gonna say the
negative, but it's really theuncomfortable.
I don't think any of thesethoughts are negative, but I
think that they areuncomfortable for people to sit
with.
Um, so we sit with those and wegive them their day in court and
honor and acknowledge them asmuch as they need so that they
(39:44):
can let go.
And then when they let goenough, then we can pile on all
the positive stuff and have itfeel true.
So let's just pile on thepositive stuff and we're gonna
forego the karate chat pointright now, or we're just gonna
start right on your eyebrowpoint.
I still have um a lot of fearsabout finishing this book and
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moving forward.
SPEAKER_00 (40:06):
I still have a lot of fear about finishing this
book and moving forward.
SPEAKER_02 (40:12):
There's a lot of risk involved in many different
areas.
SPEAKER_00 (40:15):
There's a lot of risk involved in many different
areas.
SPEAKER_02 (40:19):
And there's a part of me that is procrastinating on
finishing it.
SPEAKER_00 (40:22):
And there's a part of me that's procrastinating on
finishing it.
SPEAKER_02 (40:27):
Maybe my perfectionism is getting in the
way.
Maybe my perfectionism isgetting in the way.
Or maybe I it's just really hardto take next steps.
Maybe it's really hard to takenext steps.
And I deeply honor all mythoughts and feelings about
this.
SPEAKER_00 (40:47):
And I deeply honor all my thoughts and feelings
around this.
SPEAKER_02 (40:52):
Promoting a book is far outside my comfort zone.
SPEAKER_00 (40:56):
Promoting a book is far outside my comfort zone.
SPEAKER_02 (41:00):
Even writing a book is far outside my comfort zone.
SPEAKER_00 (41:03):
Even writing a book is far outside my comfort zone.
SPEAKER_02 (41:07):
And the idea of convincing people that my
experience makes me an expert.
SPEAKER_00 (41:14):
And the fear of convincing people that my
experience makes me an expert.
SPEAKER_02 (41:20):
Makes me feel like an imposter.
SPEAKER_00 (41:22):
Makes me feel like an imposter.
SPEAKER_02 (41:25):
I'm putting my financial status at risk.
SPEAKER_00 (41:28):
I'm putting my financial status at risk.
SPEAKER_02 (41:31):
So all this procrastination has a number of
blocks.
SPEAKER_00 (41:38):
So all this procrastination has a number of
blocks.
SPEAKER_02 (41:42):
And I just want to honor that a part of my mind and
my body are just trying to keepme safe.
SPEAKER_00 (41:49):
Just I want to honor that a part of my body and mind
are trying to keep me safe.
SPEAKER_02 (41:54):
It's just trying to keep me safe.
SPEAKER_00 (41:57):
It's just trying to keep me safe.
SPEAKER_02 (42:00):
And I also want to remember that there's another
part of me that is reallyexcited about these next steps.
SPEAKER_00 (42:06):
And I want to honor that there's another part of me
that's really excited aboutthese next steps.
SPEAKER_02 (42:12):
I've worked really hard to get here.
SPEAKER_00 (42:15):
I've worked really hard to get here.
SPEAKER_02 (42:19):
So much time and energy and effort has been put
into myself.
SPEAKER_00 (42:24):
So much time and energy has been put into myself.
SPEAKER_02 (42:28):
And put into this book.
SPEAKER_00 (42:30):
And put into this book.
SPEAKER_02 (42:37):
And my intention is to share it so that it helps
others.
My intention is to share it sothat it helps others.
And in a situation like this, Ihave to get myself out of the
way.
SPEAKER_00 (42:51):
In a situation like this, I have to get myself out
of the way.
I can't help others if I keepthe book to myself.
I can't help others if I keepthe book to myself.
SPEAKER_02 (43:02):
And if this book is divinely inspired.
And if this book is divinelyinspired, I have to get myself
out of the way.
SPEAKER_00 (43:11):
I have to get myself out of the way.
SPEAKER_02 (43:13):
And maybe getting myself out of the way is part of
my spiritual journey.
SPEAKER_00 (43:18):
And maybe getting myself out of the way is part of
my spiritual journey.
SPEAKER_02 (43:22):
I want to surrender all this fear.
SPEAKER_00 (43:25):
I want to surrender all this fear.
SPEAKER_02 (43:28):
I want to feel the fear and be able to move forward
anyway.
SPEAKER_00 (43:33):
I want to be able to feel the fear and move the same
way.
Forward anyway.
Forward anyway.
SPEAKER_02 (43:41):
I've come this far.
SPEAKER_01 (43:43):
I've come this far.
SPEAKER_02 (43:45):
My only regret at this point would be to not take
the next steps.
My only regret would be to nottake the next steps.
So I have to keep moving.
SPEAKER_00 (43:55):
So I have to keep moving.
SPEAKER_02 (43:57):
I have to get myself out of the way.
SPEAKER_00 (43:59):
I have to get myself out of the way.
SPEAKER_02 (44:03):
My heart is in this book.
My heart is in this book.
But getting it out there is notabout me.
But getting it out there is notabout me.
It can't be about me.
SPEAKER_01 (44:15):
It can't be about me.
SPEAKER_02 (44:17):
And I deeply honor all my thoughts and feelings
about this.
SPEAKER_01 (44:21):
And I deeply honor all my thoughts and feelings
about this.
SPEAKER_02 (44:25):
And I want to let go of all fear associated with
this.
SPEAKER_00 (44:29):
And I want to let go of all fear associated with
this.
SPEAKER_02 (44:32):
I want to release all fear from every part of my
body.
SPEAKER_00 (44:37):
I want to release all fear in every part of my
body.
SPEAKER_02 (44:51):
I'm releasing it from all my bodily fluids.
I'm releasing it from all mysoul memory.
SPEAKER_00 (45:02):
I'm releasing it from all my soul memory.
SPEAKER_02 (45:04):
And every fiber of my being, including my aura.
SPEAKER_00 (45:08):
And every fiber of my being, even my aura.
SPEAKER_02 (45:12):
I'm releasing all fear now.
I'm releasing all fear now.
And I am giving myself thecourage to take the next steps,
what however small they are.
SPEAKER_00 (45:23):
And I'm giving myself the courage to take the
next steps, uh no matter howsmall they are.
SPEAKER_02 (45:30):
Just one small step forward is something I can do
today.
SPEAKER_00 (45:34):
Just one small step forward is something I can do
today.
SPEAKER_02 (45:38):
And I really honor my courage in taking this
approach.
SPEAKER_00 (45:41):
And I really honor my courage in taking this
approach.
SPEAKER_02 (45:45):
Okay.
Nice deep breath.
Okay, keeping your eyes closedagain.
Let's just kind of reevaluate umheaviness in your heart.
Where were you?
Where are you?
SPEAKER_00 (46:02):
There's still a one.
There's still some heaviness.
SPEAKER_02 (46:05):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (46:05):
But the head has come down like a two or three.
SPEAKER_02 (46:09):
Oh, that's fantastic.
SPEAKER_01 (46:12):
That is fantastic.
SPEAKER_02 (46:14):
Yes.
Yes, that's wonderful.
Congratulations.
SPEAKER_01 (46:17):
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (46:23):
Thank you.
I appreciate this.
And I appreciate um beingwitnessed in this.
Uh, you know, doing this work,it um some of our work is
similar, um, of reallyunderstanding that nervous
system and fear and our beliefsand everything else.
Um and being witnessed in thisand allowing myself to
(46:46):
surrender, I'm I'm trulygrateful for this.
I really, really am.
And I am thankful that, youknow, that we are joined right
now so that other people can seewhat's possible for them and see
what the benefits are for them.
Yeah.
And so I'm hoping that, youknow, always in my mind, and you
(47:08):
know, you've said the phrases inthere, one is a million.
So if it's one person that istransformed or finds help in
this, then that means, you know,I've done what I need to do.
So if one person hears thispodcast and is able to reach out
to you and see what's possiblefor them, I'm very honored with
(47:30):
you allowing me to be in frontof you and do the work.
So thank you so much, Amy.
SPEAKER_02 (47:36):
Oh, you're so welcome.
I'm really glad that it broughtyour number down at least a
little bit today.
Oh, we had more time, we'd getyou to a zero, I'm convinced.
SPEAKER_00 (47:44):
I know I have no doubt with it.
I have no doubt because we didthis in very quick time.
And I think you know, the quicktime is also too because of the
work that I do so that thesystem can surrender and allow
us to receive and feel safe inthis, because hypervigilance is
an awful thing to navigatethrough to find that safety and
(48:07):
openness.
SPEAKER_02 (48:08):
One thing I do want to point out is that you will
likely be triggered by thisexact same thing over and over
again through this journeybecause we haven't totally
neutralized the trauma of havingthis physical problem earlier in
your life.
(48:29):
And um, and because it's anongoing issue.
So it's not, I don't want you toexpect that it will stay at the
low number that it is.
SPEAKER_01 (48:39):
No, no, no, I don't.
SPEAKER_02 (48:40):
I don't you will continue to be um triggered
along the way whenever somethingnew comes up, and you know, the
first time you go out and talkabout your book in front of a
group, it's gonna go up.
And the first time you, I don'tknow, do something else, it'll
go up again.
So just expect that you have tocontinue to do this along the
(49:00):
way.
SPEAKER_00 (49:01):
Oh, I know, I know.
That's that's the one thing Ialways tell myself and my
clients is that there's noarrival.
And the tools that you've beenusing, a lot of times people are
like, oh, I feel good.
So I'm just gonna let these droplike a crutch, and then
everything starts to fumbledown.
And it's like, are you doingyour mirror work?
Are you doing your tapping?
Are you doing your meditation?
Are you doing it's like, oh,yeah, it's been a long time.
(49:24):
It's like, well, there you go.
You're not taking care of yournervous system and allowing it
to not get, you know, we'rewe're always going to constantly
get triggered.
It's just how are we going torespond or react in those
triggers?
Are we able to identify and meetourselves with it rather than
try to run away, try to, youknow, numb it and everything
(49:45):
else?
Um, so it's being able torecognize those triggers and
then meet yourself of what doyou need?
SPEAKER_02 (49:52):
And I truly think too that tapping is a powerful
enough tool to heal trauma atits source, so that the amount
of times that we are triggeredgets less and less the more we
do this work.
I I'm not the same person I waswhen I started doing tapping,
and I have totally neutralizedsome huge, huge um triggering
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elements in my life, and they nolonger bug me at all.
So the amount of things thatmakes me anxious is cut in half
or less, and I continue to kindof take them on one by one as
soon as I recognize what it isthat that needs my attention.
So I think um you're right, wewill continue to get triggered,
(50:36):
and I do think that we canneutralize it at the source.
So getting rid of it entirely ispossible.
SPEAKER_00 (50:43):
Yeah, because that's the thing.
Like I know this book, it hassome attachment to what I
experienced with Natalie um andher, you know, passing and the
cancer treatments and me holdingspace and everything else.
So some of that grief isattached into this book and what
I'm experiencing and goingthrough.
(51:04):
So it's like, okay, life isgonna happen.
There's no control over it.
So that's why I say triggers,you know, our nervous system
doesn't know past, present, orfuture.
So it's just sensations thatcome up.
But if we've allowed ourselvesto feel them, like you said,
some people don't want to feelit.
So that's why it goes into suchan extreme.
Yet if you're willing to feelit, that's where the
(51:26):
neutralizing, like you said,about the trigger.
And you're like, oh, okay, ofcourse, this is a human
experience that you're feeling.
Fear is a human experience.
There's like if you're notfeeling any kind of fear, then
you're in a dangerous spotbecause your nervous system has
to keep you protected in a way.
And you know, grief is part ofliving.
Um, and pain is a teacher, it'spart of what it is to be human
(51:50):
and and go through theexperience.
So I thank you so very much.
Um, you're welcome.
We'll be in contact.
And can you let the listenersknow where they can find you?
SPEAKER_02 (52:01):
Absolutely.
You can always email me, Amy atsorewithapping.com.
Um, and I also have an app thathas over 160 different tapping
scripts, um, a whole section ongoal support for just the type
of thing that you we weretapping on today, and other, you
know, 11 other differentcategories and meditations.
(52:22):
Um, so I encourage everybody todownload it either through the
Android or the Google or theApple App Stores.
And um yeah, yeah, get starttapping.
Just start.
Start.
SPEAKER_00 (52:35):
Yeah.
Now I want to bring you into areflective question.
I want to ask you to bring yourawareness right now and to go
back to your 18-year-old self.
And you have three words you cantell your 18-year-old self to
carry you to the journey rightnow.
What would that be?
SPEAKER_02 (52:54):
Surrender, compassion for self.
And this is a good question,yeah, let's see.
Compassion, surrender, andcuriosity.
SPEAKER_00 (53:06):
Powerful words.
And that those really bring youthrough the journey.
Now, I know there's a listenerthat needs to hear something
from you.
So it might be an anxiouslistener or fearful or somebody
that might even just be numb.
If you can reach into yourselfand intuitively tap into what is
(53:30):
the one sentence you think thatwill help that one listener
that's listening in.
SPEAKER_02 (53:35):
I would just say that I don't think that there
are any negative emotions.
Um, I think the negativenegativity comes in when we
judge and criticize ouremotions.
So if we just allow ourselves tofeel them, to turn into them
when they arise, um, and andinstead of analyzing it
(53:58):
intellectually, really feel itin our bodies, and that is what
makes it go away.
Studies have shown that like youfeel a feeling for 90 seconds,
which is not very long, 90seconds and it starts to go
away.
So, whatever it is you'refeeling, you just allow it to
happen and feel it in your body,and then you can release it much
(54:21):
faster.
Tapping helps, but if you don'thave that, then just turn into
it.
SPEAKER_00 (54:26):
Thank you, Amy.
And you know, thank you for thealchemy that you've done in your
life.
You've taken those impuritiesand you've turned them into
gold, yet you didn't keep thegold for yourself.
You're sharing it with others.
So thank you for being thatliving testament of what's
possible and what the body cango through and heal into.
So thank you so much, Amy, forbeing here.
(54:47):
Oh, thank you for having me.
Please remember to be kind toyourself.
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(55:34):
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Until next time, please rememberto be kind and gentle with
yourself.
You matter.
Before we begin today's episode, I want to give
you some context.
I am in the hot seat.
I'm going into a tappingsession, which is called EFT
with Amy, and I'm veryvulnerable.
I talk about my health.
I talk about the book.
I talk about financessurrounding disability and the
(00:21):
fear of success, the fear oflosing my finances and also
failure.
It's very vulnerable.
It has some emotional charges.
So be aware of yourself.
And if you're a visual learner,I have the visual conversation
on YouTube.
So the link is in the shownotes.
So go take a look if you want tosee actually what that looks
(00:44):
like.
And, you know, if this isn't foryou, just skip along.
It's all right.
Go to another episode that wouldbe more engaging.
If you sound like, whoo, I wantto learn a little more,
especially if you have chronicillness, disability, or you want
to try a new modality becauseyou feel there's some stuckness
in your body and you want tomove it through.
It was very transformational forme.
(01:07):
So again, vulnerability,warning, be aware of yourself.
And also, you know, just becurious of trying something new
if you're willing to.
So let's do this work together.
Welcome to the Lift One Selfpodcast.
I'm your host, NatNat.
And today I am putting myself inthe hot seat.
(01:28):
And I am going to go through anEFT tapping session with our
guest, Amy.
And she's going to let you knowwhat EFT is, because I'm sure
some of you might be like, Whatare you talking about?
So, Amy, could you pleasegraciously introduce yourself
and let the listeners know alittle bit about who you are and
what EFT is and what brought youthere?
SPEAKER_02 (01:50):
I would love to.
Thank you for having me today,Nat Nat.
Appreciate it.
Um, my name is Amy Vinsa.
I am a tapping coach and havebeen a tapping coach for over 16
years, but I've also been inmany other areas of the wellness
industry for over 20 years as anutritional therapist and a
colon hydrotherapist and an NLPpractitioner, kind of done the
(02:14):
whole rounds trying to find mything, my thing that really
stuck with me.
And tapping has been it by far.
I was um introduced by totapping by a friend of mine, um,
gosh, over 20 years ago.
And I got certified shortlythereafter because I had been
(02:34):
diagnosed with breast cancer,and I was on a mission to really
uncover why I got it.
Um I was have always been areally curious person.
And so I've especially abouthuman nature, really just
wanting so deeply to understandhow and why people do the things
that they do.
(02:56):
And I had kind of an intuitionthat my cancer was brought about
because I was in a reallydepressed state at the time.
And I had a really loud criticalvoice going on in my head
constantly.
And I think that that negativitycreated a mass.
(03:20):
And um, so I needed to uncoverthe reasons why I got into that
negative place so that I couldavoid getting cancer again.
That was my whole motivation.
Like I just don't wanna want tohave history repeat itself, sort
of thing.
But my family, there was nohistory of breast cancer in my
family, nothing like that.
So it came where really out ofthe blue.
(03:41):
Um, so I found tapping and Ihad, I'm gonna say, limited
success with it at first.
Sometimes when I was workingwith my own coach, I would have
great success.
Sometimes it would just kind offall flat, and I didn't
understand what the differencewas.
Um, but about seven years ago, Ihad another crisis moment in my
life where just everything waskind of crumbling around me with
(04:04):
my job and my body was in pain alot, and I was having anxiety
attacks every day.
And I started tapping instead oftapping at a high level, like on
the symptoms that I wasexperiencing, I really um tried
to get to what was underneaththe symptoms.
And I got down to the roottrauma, which is that my dad
(04:28):
left when I was little, and Imade a decision when I was
little that there was somethingwrong with me.
And so I was constantly lookingat the world through that lens,
and it shaped every singledecision I made, every single
friendship, every single job,every single like relationship,
you name it.
Um and so when I startedapplying tapping to the trauma
(04:53):
of him leaving and the fear thatthere was something wrong with
me, and that I was unworthy andundeserving of anything good,
that was when my life trulychanged.
And I that I was able torecognize how powerful this tool
really is because it doesn'tjust help in a moment.
It's not just a band-aid in ananxious moment, or um, you know,
(05:18):
feeling really hurt or sad orsomething like that.
Well, it and it it is great forthose things, but it can
actually heal trauma from theroot and make it so that you
don't have to experience thesymptoms, which are things like
procrastination and addictionand I don't know, um, people
(05:39):
pleasing and perfectionism andbeing a workaholic, you know,
whatever it is, those are allsymptoms of fears and limiting
beliefs that have resulted fromtrauma.
So if you get to the source ofthat and you apply tapping to
the source, that's when you cantruly experience massive
transformation in your life.
And that was the moment when Iquit my job and I started my
(06:04):
practice and I built the app.
And because it just became soimportant to me to make sure
everybody knows that this toolis available to them.
SPEAKER_00 (06:13):
Thank you for that.
And thank you for, you know, um,EFT, a lot of people started
hearing about it probably like10 years ago there was a buzz.
Yeah, you're talking about 20years ago.
So you were in a space wherepeople were probably thinking it
was woo-woo, it doesn't have anykind of value.
Oh, people still think it'swoo-woo, right?
(06:34):
Oh, yeah.
And it's, you know,unfortunately the world isn't
being introduced about thenervous system and what we
subscribe to, you know, a lot ofpeople are like, trauma is me.
And it's like, no, it's theexperience and how you
experienced it.
And then there's this powerfulthing about beliefs and what is
(06:56):
the script you created aroundthat belief because of your
defense mechanisms that aretrying to protect you from these
emotions that you don't know howto feel and process.
So a lot of people are like,Well, I know how I know how to
feel.
Like I cry all the time.
And it's like, okay, you'refeeling it, but are you
processing your emotion?
Can you understand why the tearsare there?
(07:17):
Are you able to listen to what'scoming up in the body?
And many of them are like, oh,that that's a different level.
And it's like, yeah.
So as I said, I'm willing to bein the hot seat and uh work come
through in a session with youand allow the listeners to see
(07:38):
the gift that you have and putmy vulnerability out there.
Um, I've done some other, I'vedone inner child work, I've done
um Akashic Records, I've doneothers.
So the vulnerability, Iappreciate that I can provide
that for myself while alsoallowing other people to see
what that is.
(07:58):
So it gives them permission togo deeper within themselves.
So, Amy, take the lead and Iwill follow.
SPEAKER_02 (08:06):
Okay.
You did ask me, I forgot toanswer this part.
You did ask me to give thelisteners a little explanation
about what tapping is.
So if you'll indulge me, I'll dothat really quick so people
understand exactly what'shappening and why it's so
powerful.
Um, it's really a combination ofthree different modalities.
The first one being energytherapy, just like acupuncture,
(08:27):
using the 14 energy meridiansfound in Chinese medicine.
But obviously, instead of usingneedles on our acupressure
points, we are using thepercussion of tapping on our
acupressure points in order tohelp break up blocked energy and
allow it to start flowing again.
Because when our energy isflowing in our body, that's when
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we were in a state of healing orin a state of health.
So that's what we want.
We want flowing energy.
And a fear or a limiting beliefor a trauma of some kind results
in a blockage of our energy insome area of our body.
Um, and so we need to break thatup and help it to flow again.
And then there is the cognitivetherapy aspect because you are
(09:10):
actively talking about what youwant to release while you are
tapping on your acupressurepoints.
And verbally releasing andtalking about your feelings is a
really powerful tool because itis actually getting things out
of your body.
And um, people often will tellme how cathartic it is to
(09:35):
actually say the words asopposed to just having these
swirling thoughts in their headwithout anywhere for them to
land.
So getting them out of theirbody is a really important
aspect.
And then there is the somatictherapy aspect, because when we
are in a state of anxiety orstress or overwhelm of any kind,
(09:58):
um, our amygdala has beentriggered, and we are in a state
of fight or flight, and worryingabout we're worrying about the
past or we're worrying about thefuture.
And so bringing all of ourenergy back into our body, you
can't help but do that becauseyou are tapping on your body and
you are actively feeling thetapping.
(10:21):
So you're bringing your bodyback, your energy back into your
body and back into this presentmoment where actually everything
is okay.
There is no threat in thispresent moment, typically when
you're doing a tapping session.
So that is your most powerful,most efficient place to be is in
(10:41):
the present and in your body.
And so when you combine allthree of those things, it is a
really powerful um process foryour body to go through.
And it will lower cortisol inyour body 43% faster than if you
had done nothing else.
It will lower your heart rate,your blood pressure, it will
increase your immune systemresponse, and it will increase
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happiness levels.
So all of that is happeningwhile you're doing this simple
thing of tapping on youracupressure points and talking
about what you are feeling.
So, with that in mind, I do wantto go through all of the tapping
points really quick before weactually start working with you.
Um, because all tappingpractitioners will use probably
(11:29):
a little bit different points.
I like to tap on all 14 energymeridians just because I'm here.
I want to make sure I'm gettingthe most bang for my buck.
So I'm tapping on both sides ofmy body on all 14 meridians.
Um, so the first point is justdown from your pinky finger,
it's called the karate chappoint.
(11:49):
Like if you were gonna hack apiece of wood with your hand and
you tap those two spot spotstogether, and this is where
we're gonna say something calledan even though statement.
Um, like even though I'm feelingreally sad right now, I still
love and honor all my thoughtsand feelings about this.
So we'll say that three times,and then we go into what's
called repeater phrases, tappingon different points in our body.
(12:11):
So the first point is right hereat the beginning of your
eyebrows.
So I like to tap with a coupleof fingers just to make sure
that I'm covering the rightspot, and not so hard that
you're hurting yourself, buthard enough so that you feel it.
And then the second point is onthe side of your eye, right at
your temple.
And then under your eye, on yourcheekbone, and then under your
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nose, under your mouth,collarbone point.
If you find the beginning ofyour collarbone, you're gonna go
down about an inch.
There's a little valley inbetween your collarbone and your
ribs on either side of yoursternum.
So that's where you want to tap.
And then under your arms, rightwhere for women it's right where
your bra strap is, pretty much.
(12:57):
I hug myself.
Um, some people go like this, oryou can just do one side or the
other, whatever's mostcomfortable.
And then on your ribs, justbelow your breasts, so right
right there, right under yourunderwire, basically.
Okay.
And then your wrists, you've gotthree spots.
There's one on the outside,middle, and outside.
(13:17):
So I'm tapping my wriststogether and I'm turning them so
I can get all three spots.
Another way to do it is to kindof go like this with your
fingers so that you can makesure and hit all three spots.
And then the last one is up ontop of your head.
So as we're saying theserepeater phrases, we'll we say
one repeater phrase like, I'mfeeling so sad right now.
(13:41):
And then we move to the nextspot, and then we say another
repeater phrase, like, um, Ifeel all the sadness in my
heart.
And then we go to the next spot,and we just keep going around
and around.
And it's okay if one spot feelsbetter than the others, and you
can stay there for a while.
You don't have to tap whereexactly where I'm tapping, but
(14:03):
you just need to keep movingeventually.
So you might stay there for awhile if the collarbone point
feels really good, um, or yourcheekbone feels really good.
Um, but you just keep movingaround eventually.
SPEAKER_00 (14:17):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (14:17):
So what we're gonna do is um talk about a little bit
about what it is you want towork on today, NatNat.
And then we will take a rating,zero to ten, to figure out where
you are on the intensity of umyour emotion around this topic.
And then we'll do a tappinground and we'll take another
(14:38):
rating and see how much it'scome down.
unknown (14:40):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (14:40):
Okay.
So what you mentioned umpromoting your work.
You have a book coming out soon,and you have to go out and do
some promotion, huh?
Yes.
Yes.
Tell me about it.
What's what's uh what do youfeel like are blocks in the way
of you doing that?
SPEAKER_00 (14:56):
Um I think it's like the imposter imposter syndrome
that's coming up.
It's complete, and I've goneback to editing so many times
because I know once somebodyelse reads it, it's going to
bring me the feedback.
Is it good or it's not?
Although I've sent it to manybeta readers, and they've all
(15:19):
come back about this is a bookthat I wish I had and that I
need.
And they just had some had noediting, others just had some
ways.
Um, other so I've already gottenthat positive feedback, yet
still the little lingering partis still like it's not gonna be
of anything, and why are youeven bothering and just leave it
(15:41):
where it is and don't even putyourself out there?
SPEAKER_02 (15:43):
Mm-hmm.
And what um what would be yourworst fear come true if you were
to go out there and startpromoting?
What would be the absolute worstthing that you can imagine
happening?
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
And I wouldn't have the energy to manage all of the
attention and the scheduling andputting myself out there.
SPEAKER_02 (16:08):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (16:09):
And um what's underneath that fear?
SPEAKER_02 (16:12):
Why wouldn't you have the energy?
SPEAKER_00 (16:13):
I had lesions in my brain 11 years ago, so I almost
died.
I had lesions in my cerebellumand brainstem, and I don't have
a diagnosis for it.
And I was told I was gonna die,yet I'm still here, and I was
told if I was gonna live, I'd bein a wheelchair and all that.
Yet, thankfully, to meditation,those things started reversing.
So similar to your story.
(16:35):
Oh my goodness.
And stress is one of the bigthings.
So, and I understand that stressis a very big thing, and I
understand that the reason whyis because of my early sexual
trauma and um my familyorientation and a sense of
abandonment.
So my nervous system was wiredin very hyper-vigilance and
(16:58):
survival.
And so I was very highfunctioning and going, going,
going.
And then my body said stop.
Although, you know, I stilldon't know if it could have been
even a virus or other thingsbecause medically I don't have
it.
Yet um what I do know is thatwhen the lesions start getting
activated or whatnot, my energycomes down.
(17:19):
So I it's like a fatigue um thatcomes in.
So now putting myself out there,it's activating cortisol and I
can feel it.
However, it's to rewire mynervous system that I'm safe to
um speak and to offer what I'vegone through.
(17:40):
And because when I was young, myteachers used to ridicule and
say how stupid I was orcriticize and stuff like that.
So the education part is inthere that I don't have anything
and I'm not intelligent.
Uh yet it's um, I know that notto be true, yet my body still,
(18:02):
when I'm speaking this, I canfeel the tinglies and the you
know it's not true, but it stillfeels like possibility that they
did have something.
So um I've worked in there, yetI can still feel that there's
certain parts.
And I've I've, you know, takenaction.
Like I said, I've completed thebook and I just have to, I could
(18:25):
give it to an editor right now.
I'm just like, okay, let me justsee if there's a little bit more
that I can put that's that'smore vulnerable that I was
holding back from revealing frommyself about this work because
the the title of the book iscalled The Gift Wrapped in
Sandpaper.
So it's really understanding thenervous system, emotions, and
(18:45):
what we go through andeverything else.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:50):
Okay, wow.
Wow, Nat Nat.
Yeah.
Okay, I'm new to this.
You might have explained thistrauma on your podcast before,
but this feels like brand new tome.
But so what I'm hearing thoughare two totally different um
blockages that both need to beaddressed.
One is the imposter syndrome andthe history of teachers, you
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know, telling you you're stupidand you're not intelligent, and
uh, you know, there's adifferent aspect to that than
putting yourself out there,risking your health and possibly
death for a book that feelsreally important and you're
passionate about.
So there's your body body fears,and then there is kind of
(19:40):
judgment and criticism fears umthat are based kind of in
trauma.
And this one is also based intrauma, obviously.
They're two two totallydifferent things and both need
to be addressed, but we can't doboth.
So which one do you which onefeels more significant?
SPEAKER_00 (19:55):
I think the body one of the cortisol and and making
sure that my body feels safe inthis unknown and publishing and
everything else.
So the rewiring of that, becausethe limiting belief I can work
with that, and I've alreadydone, you know, created the book
and everything else.
So obviously, I it's nothijacking me to the point where
(20:17):
I don't know how to do it.
Um, and I'm doing these podcastsand everything else.
It's the making sure that mynervous system feels regulated
with putting myself out there.
SPEAKER_02 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Because if death is thepossibility, then I can imagine
that the idea of puttingyourself out there and promoting
this can be really scary.
Really, really scary.
SPEAKER_00 (20:44):
And there's the financial aspect because I'm on
a disability because I had toretire from that.
So my disability has it, andthen it's like the success.
If I get a whole bunch of money,then that disability goes away.
And will I be able to supportmyself in this new area?
SPEAKER_02 (21:01):
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
So, yes, that's those are somebig things.
I'm going to separate out thethe financial stuff too.
That is another aspect that umI'm familiar with because of one
another client of mine, and itjust really puts you in a rock
between a rock and a hard place.
Like you are not encouraged togo out there and like you know,
(21:25):
make a success of yourselfbecause there's a lot of
consequences that happen withmaking more money.
Yeah.
More money than what theirthreshold is, which is really
little.
Really low.
Yeah.
Really low.
Okay.
Whew.
Yeah, there's a lot of bigblocks here.
SPEAKER_00 (21:43):
See, and I don't see it as big.
Like I know that my body isreacting, yet I also, because of
what I experienced 11 years agoand how my life had to transform
so much and the way that my lifeis.
I know I'm I'm taken care of.
It's to trust to go to thisother layer.
(22:05):
Like I call it Donkey Kong, likethese levels that you have to go
through, and you're at one leveland you're at the top, but you
just don't know what that nextlevel looks like, and you just
don't want to fall back down orwhatnot.
Yet it's like, no, no, no.
You trust that you're taken careof, and whatever you have to
navigate, you'll have thecapacity.
Yeah.
(22:25):
Easier said than done.
And I've had to walk thisjourney all the time.
I just I can feel that I'm at auh a space where I'm going to
evolve.
And it's just to reinforce mybody that we're safe to do this
again.
We're safe to leap again intothis new dimension.
SPEAKER_02 (22:44):
Okay.
Okay.
So I'm going to ask you to closeyour eyes for a second.
And I want you to sink yourawareness down into your body.
And when you think about all thestress and the cortisol and the
scheduling, and you know,whatever you need to do to put
yourself in in front of peoplein order to promote this book
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and how much energy it's goingto take.
Where do you feel it in yourbody?
And what is the if we could namethe emotion, what is it that you
feel?
And then zero to ten, what is iton a on that scale?
SPEAKER_00 (23:21):
I feel it in my face.
I feel it in my kind of cheeksthat there's a feeling that I'm
being like there's a rising,like a pulling um sensation
that's coming on.
And I do feel it in my chestalso.
Um the feeling is a mixture offear yet excitement, also, and
(23:46):
they're intertwined with eachother.
They're um can you name thefear?
The fear is failure of um beingridiculed, the fear of
stability.
What about your body?
SPEAKER_02 (24:02):
My body feels feel feel the fear associated with
your body and your history,physical history.
SPEAKER_00 (24:11):
My my head just throbs in with that fear.
SPEAKER_02 (24:16):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (24:17):
And then my chest feels um, it's not tight, it's
um, it's just like there's ablock there.
There's a heaviness there, butit's not like a constriction,
like I can feel openness, butthere's like a um an armor, like
there's something blocking righthere.
SPEAKER_02 (24:38):
Okay, and zero to ten, how strong is that
sensation in your in your chestin particular?
SPEAKER_00 (24:46):
Unless I put my awareness on it, I don't really
notice it, but feeling it rightnow.
Yes, I do want you to put yourawareness on it.
Maybe a four.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (24:56):
That's actually not that.
SPEAKER_00 (24:58):
No, it's not like it's not a whoo, like, but my
head, that's a different story.
SPEAKER_02 (25:04):
Okay, well then what is your head?
SPEAKER_00 (25:05):
The throttle is probably like a nine.
SPEAKER_02 (25:08):
Nine, okay.
Yeah.
Focusing on the wrong thing.
Okay.
Okay, and is it painful?
Yeah.
It's painful, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (25:22):
Yeah, I've been, you know, because of the lesions and
because they left scarring, I'vebeen dealing with pain for like
11 years.
But the pain is in a way of umenergy, but recently the pain is
here now.
I didn't feel the pain before,but the pain is back.
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So I'm like, oh, okay.
There's a lot of cortisolprobably going through.
So my body is trying tocommunicate with me.
SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
Mm-hmm.
See, what I find challengingwith these things is that I know
my nervous system is veryintelligent.
So I always want it to surrenderand work with it and not create
this illusion of I got it alltogether.
It's like be vulnerable, and butI know this thing is so
intelligent of hijacking thatI'm like, okay, just calm down
(26:14):
and just reveal yourself andeverything.
If that makes sense, if yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (26:19):
Yeah, because our our subconscious mind is always
scanning the horizon forpotential threats based on the
pain that we've alreadyexperienced, right?
And so it sees this new level ofeffort that you are putting
yourself in the path of.
And it's like, you know, itdoes, it's not always rational.
In fact, most of the time it isnot rational in its response.
(26:41):
Yeah.
Um, but it it bases its responseon who you were when it happened
the first time.
So it doesn't recognize how muchyou've evolved and how much
you've grown.
So but it's still firing off andyou know, really intense signals
(27:04):
that we need to pay attention tobecause obviously it's still
living somewhere in our body,and we need to neutralize that.
Okay, so let's start uh tappingyour karate chat point together.
And you're just gonna repeatafter me and tap where I tap and
say what I say.
Even though I have a lot of fearabout how my body's gonna react
(27:25):
to this next phase in my career.
Even though oh, sorry, say thatagain.
Even though I have a lot offear, even though I have a lot
of fear about how my body'sgonna react to this next phase.
How my body's gonna react tothis next phase in my career.
I have been taking it easy for along time.
(27:47):
I have been taking it easy for along time.
Trying to educate myself aboutwhat I've experienced and why.
Trying to educate myself on whatI experienced and why.
And I felt compelled to writethis book and teach other people
about what's happening.
SPEAKER_00 (28:07):
I felt compelled to write this book and teach other
people of what could happen.
Because I want to help.
SPEAKER_02 (28:15):
Because I want to help.
I don't want anybody else tohave to struggle like I did in
the beginning.
I don't want anyone else tostruggle like I did in the
beginning.
And but I'm also putting myselfin a really vulnerable position
physically.
SPEAKER_01 (28:31):
I'm also putting myself in a vulnerable position
vulnerably and risking a lotphysically.
SPEAKER_02 (28:40):
Um because I get hyper-vigilant.
Because I get hyper-vigilant,and I have a lot of cortisol
rushing through my body, and Ihave a lot of cortisol rushing
through my body.
And it could have a negativeimpact on my health, and it
could have a negative impact onmy health.
So I've got my head is throbbingin pain around this.
(29:05):
My head is throbbing in painaround this.
And I deeply honor all mythoughts and feelings, and I
deeply honor all my thoughts andfeelings.
Even though I've got a lot offear about next steps in my
career, even though I have a lotof fear on the next steps in my
career.
SPEAKER_01 (29:24):
And it's no wonder.
And it's no wonder.
SPEAKER_02 (29:27):
I had a lot of stress in my life for many
years.
Had a lot of stress in my lifefor many years, and my body
reacted really severely to allthat stress.
And my body reacted veryseverely to all the stress.
So I feel like I'm taking a hugerisk by putting myself out there
again.
SPEAKER_00 (29:47):
So I feel like I'm taking a huge risk by putting
myself out there again.
SPEAKER_02 (29:52):
Ultimately, I could die from this effort.
SPEAKER_01 (29:55):
Ultimately, I could die from this effort.
So it's no wonder I'm scared.
So it's no wonder I'm scared.
SPEAKER_02 (30:02):
And I deeply honor all parts of who I am
completely.
SPEAKER_01 (30:06):
And I deeply honor all parts of who I am
completely.
SPEAKER_02 (30:10):
Even though I have this fear about all the effort
it's going to take to promote mybook.
Even though I have all this fearof all the efforts it's going to
take to promote my book.
And I'm having visceralreactions in my body when I
think about it.
And I'm having visceralreactions in my body when I
think about it.
I have a throbbing pain in myhead.
SPEAKER_01 (30:32):
I have a throbbing pain in my head.
SPEAKER_02 (30:35):
And I have a heaviness in my heart.
And I have a heaviness in myheart.
It feels like heavy armor.
Feels like heavy armor.
And I deeply honor everythingI'm feeling.
And I deeply honor everythingthat I'm feeling.
And I honor my courage intackling this issue.
SPEAKER_01 (30:54):
And I honor my courage in tackling this issue.
SPEAKER_02 (30:58):
Okay, now we're going to move to the repeater
phrases and tapping around theother points.
We're going to start on oureyebrow point.
All this fear about um promotingmy book.
SPEAKER_01 (31:09):
All this fear about promoting my book.
SPEAKER_02 (31:13):
On the side of your eye.
It's going to take so muchenergy.
SPEAKER_01 (31:17):
It's going to take so much energy.
SPEAKER_02 (31:19):
It's going to require a lot of efforts and
scheduling.
SPEAKER_01 (31:24):
It's going to require a lot of efforts and
scheduling.
SPEAKER_02 (31:27):
And putting myself out there.
SPEAKER_01 (31:29):
And putting myself out there.
SPEAKER_02 (31:32):
All of which is going to trigger cortisol in my
body.
SPEAKER_00 (31:36):
All of which is going to cord trigger cortisol
in my body.
SPEAKER_02 (31:40):
And I'm already feeling myself getting in that
hyper-vigilant mode.
SPEAKER_00 (31:44):
I'm already feeling myself getting in that
hyper-vigilant mode.
SPEAKER_02 (31:49):
And I know why I have it.
SPEAKER_01 (31:55):
It's because of all the trauma that I had as a kid.
SPEAKER_02 (32:01):
But I want to be able to um handle this
differently now.
I want to be able to handle thisdifferently now.
I've done so much work towardsunderstanding what happened in
my body back then.
SPEAKER_01 (32:14):
I've done so much work on understanding what
happened on my body back then.
SPEAKER_02 (32:19):
I've gained so many resources to be able to manage
that stress along the way.
SPEAKER_00 (32:25):
I've gained so many resources to manage that stress
along the way.
The truth is, I'm not the sameperson I was back then.
The truth is, I'm not the sameperson I was back then.
SPEAKER_02 (32:38):
But it was a really painful experience to go
through.
SPEAKER_00 (32:42):
But it was a really painful experience to go
through.
SPEAKER_02 (32:45):
A really scary experience to go through.
SPEAKER_00 (32:47):
A really scary experience to go through.
SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
Especially when people are predicting that I'm
gonna be in a wheelchair therest of my life.
SPEAKER_00 (32:55):
Especially when people were predicting that I
would be in a wheelchair therest of my life.
SPEAKER_02 (33:00):
And I'm scared that I'm risking that again.
SPEAKER_01 (33:03):
I'm scared that I'm risking that again.
SPEAKER_02 (33:07):
And I just want to honor that at the deepest level.
SPEAKER_01 (33:10):
And I just want to honor that in the deepest level.
SPEAKER_02 (33:13):
Because I am fearing for my a part of me is fearing
for my life as I take thesesteps forward.
SPEAKER_01 (33:20):
Part of me is fearing for my life as I take
these steps forward.
SPEAKER_02 (33:25):
And at the same time, I feel compelled to do it.
SPEAKER_01 (33:29):
At the same time, I feel compelled to do it.
SPEAKER_02 (33:32):
I feel compelled to offer whatever wisdom I've
gained.
SPEAKER_01 (33:37):
I feel compelled to offer whatever wisdom I've
gained.
SPEAKER_02 (33:41):
In the hopes that it could change the perspective of
one person.
SPEAKER_00 (33:45):
In the hopes that it it would change the perspective.
Yeah.
In the hopes that it wouldchange the perspective of
another person.
SPEAKER_02 (33:54):
And maybe help them along their path.
SPEAKER_00 (33:56):
And maybe help them along their path.
SPEAKER_02 (34:00):
And I just want to honor that at the deepest level.
SPEAKER_01 (34:03):
And I just want to honor that at the deepest level.
SPEAKER_02 (34:07):
Promoting myself would push me far outside my
comfort zone.
SPEAKER_00 (34:11):
Promoting myself would push me far outside of my
comfort zone.
SPEAKER_02 (34:16):
In more ways than one.
SPEAKER_00 (34:17):
In more ways than one.
SPEAKER_02 (34:20):
But all of those ways could trigger the fight or
flight mode in my body.
SPEAKER_00 (34:26):
Well, all of those ways, or one of those ways,
could trigger the fight orflight in my body.
SPEAKER_02 (34:33):
And release lots of cortisol.
SPEAKER_00 (34:35):
And release lots of cortisol.
SPEAKER_02 (34:37):
And create the potential for more brain
lesions.
SPEAKER_00 (34:40):
And create the potential of more brain lesions.
SPEAKER_02 (34:45):
And I feel those shifts happening in my body
again.
SPEAKER_01 (34:49):
And I feel those shifts happening in my body
again.
SPEAKER_02 (34:52):
My head is in throbbing pain.
SPEAKER_01 (34:56):
My head is in throbbing pain.
SPEAKER_02 (34:59):
And I have a heaviness in my heart.
SPEAKER_01 (35:01):
And I have a heaviness in my heart.
SPEAKER_02 (35:03):
And I'm scared.
SPEAKER_01 (35:05):
And I'm scared.
SPEAKER_02 (35:07):
I'm so scared.
SPEAKER_01 (35:09):
I'm so scared.
SPEAKER_02 (35:10):
I don't want to put myself through that again.
SPEAKER_01 (35:13):
I don't want to put myself through that again.
SPEAKER_02 (35:16):
And I deeply honor all my thoughts and feelings
about this.
SPEAKER_00 (35:19):
And I deeply honor all my thoughts and feelings
around this.
SPEAKER_02 (35:25):
Thank goodness I've done so much work.
SPEAKER_01 (35:28):
Thank goodness I've done so much work.
SPEAKER_02 (35:30):
And I have so many tools now.
SPEAKER_01 (35:33):
And I have so many tools now.
SPEAKER_02 (35:36):
I have my meditation.
SPEAKER_01 (35:38):
I have my meditation.
Now I have tapping.
Now I have tapping.
SPEAKER_02 (35:44):
And it's possible that I could manage this really
well.
SPEAKER_00 (35:50):
And it's possible that I can manage this really
well.
SPEAKER_02 (35:53):
At even the slightest hint that my body is
too stressed.
SPEAKER_00 (35:59):
And even at the slightest hint that my body is
too stressed, I can be vigilantin a different way.
I can be vigilant in a differentway.
SPEAKER_02 (36:08):
And take care of myself.
SPEAKER_00 (36:10):
And take care of myself.
SPEAKER_02 (36:13):
If I start feeling the slightest hint of a reaction
in my body.
SPEAKER_00 (36:18):
If I feel the slightest hint of a reaction in
my body, I can stop everything.
I can stop everything.
SPEAKER_02 (36:27):
Turn inward.
Turn inward and do my work.
SPEAKER_00 (36:32):
And do my work.
SPEAKER_02 (36:36):
Utilize my resources.
SPEAKER_00 (36:38):
Utilize my resources.
SPEAKER_02 (36:40):
And heal that part of myself that's really
stressed.
SPEAKER_00 (36:44):
And heal that part of myself that's really
stressed.
SPEAKER_02 (36:47):
And I deeply honor my courage in taking this
approach.
And I deeply honor my courage oftaking this approach.
Okay, nice deep breath.
Okay, Natna, keeping your eyesclosed.
(37:10):
I want you to sink yourawareness down back into your
body, but in particular in yourheart and in your head as well.
And tell me where you are inyour in your heart with the
heaviness in your heart.
You were at a four.
I'd say a one.
Nice.
And what about the throbbing inyour head?
SPEAKER_00 (37:32):
I'd say a four.
SPEAKER_02 (37:34):
Oh my goodness, you came down a lot on both of those
numbers.
That's really huge.
SPEAKER_00 (37:39):
Yeah.
And what do you think is left inthat four?
I think until I go through theexperience, my body is still
gonna be in hypervigilance.
It's until I think because I'mprocrastinating a bit on the
book, that it's looping in myhead, that it's something that I
promised myself to get done andI'm not doing it.
(38:01):
So until I actually do it, mybody is also not believing in my
words or the experience.
So it needs to have a livedexperience, not just me talking
myself through it and changingthe expectations and the things
around the book.
(38:23):
Um, and just letting it releaseand facing whatever comes, but
also reminding, as you said inthe tapping, that I have the
power to stop everything or orshift it in a different way.
SPEAKER_01 (38:37):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02 (38:40):
Okay, let's do one more quick tapping round because
I I I tend to tap for a reallylong time.
So I'm sorry, it's longer thanyou expected.
Um, let's do one more becauseyour numbers have gotten down to
like anything below like a threeand a four, um, we can really
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pile on like positivereinforcement and your body and
your mind will believe it now.
Cause when you're at like anine, your body's like bullshit,
you know, when you start sayingpositive stuff like I don't
believe that for one bit.
Like you're not gonna convinceme otherwise.
But when you get your numberdown to a three or four, then
your body and your mind canstart really accepting the
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positive reinforcement aroundit.
So that's why we honor andacknowledge, I'm gonna say the
negative, but it's really theuncomfortable.
I don't think any of thesethoughts are negative, but I
think that they areuncomfortable for people to sit
with.
Um, so we sit with those and wegive them their day in court and
honor and acknowledge them asmuch as they need so that they
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can let go.
And then when they let goenough, then we can pile on all
the positive stuff and have itfeel true.
So let's just pile on thepositive stuff and we're gonna
forego the karate chat pointright now, or we're just gonna
start right on your eyebrowpoint.
I still have um a lot of fearsabout finishing this book and
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moving forward.
SPEAKER_00 (40:06):
I still have a lot of fear about finishing this
book and moving forward.
SPEAKER_02 (40:12):
There's a lot of risk involved in many different
areas.
SPEAKER_00 (40:15):
There's a lot of risk involved in many different
areas.
SPEAKER_02 (40:19):
And there's a part of me that is procrastinating on
finishing it.
SPEAKER_00 (40:22):
And there's a part of me that's procrastinating on
finishing it.
SPEAKER_02 (40:27):
Maybe my perfectionism is getting in the
way.
Maybe my perfectionism isgetting in the way.
Or maybe I it's just really hardto take next steps.
Maybe it's really hard to takenext steps.
And I deeply honor all mythoughts and feelings about
this.
SPEAKER_00 (40:47):
And I deeply honor all my thoughts and feelings
around this.
SPEAKER_02 (40:52):
Promoting a book is far outside my comfort zone.
SPEAKER_00 (40:56):
Promoting a book is far outside my comfort zone.
SPEAKER_02 (41:00):
Even writing a book is far outside my comfort zone.
SPEAKER_00 (41:03):
Even writing a book is far outside my comfort zone.
SPEAKER_02 (41:07):
And the idea of convincing people that my
experience makes me an expert.
SPEAKER_00 (41:14):
And the fear of convincing people that my
experience makes me an expert.
SPEAKER_02 (41:20):
Makes me feel like an imposter.
SPEAKER_00 (41:22):
Makes me feel like an imposter.
SPEAKER_02 (41:25):
I'm putting my financial status at risk.
SPEAKER_00 (41:28):
I'm putting my financial status at risk.
SPEAKER_02 (41:31):
So all this procrastination has a number of
blocks.
SPEAKER_00 (41:38):
So all this procrastination has a number of
blocks.
SPEAKER_02 (41:42):
And I just want to honor that a part of my mind and
my body are just trying to keepme safe.
SPEAKER_00 (41:49):
Just I want to honor that a part of my body and mind
are trying to keep me safe.
SPEAKER_02 (41:54):
It's just trying to keep me safe.
SPEAKER_00 (41:57):
It's just trying to keep me safe.
SPEAKER_02 (42:00):
And I also want to remember that there's another
part of me that is reallyexcited about these next steps.
SPEAKER_00 (42:06):
And I want to honor that there's another part of me
that's really excited aboutthese next steps.
SPEAKER_02 (42:12):
I've worked really hard to get here.
SPEAKER_00 (42:15):
I've worked really hard to get here.
SPEAKER_02 (42:19):
So much time and energy and effort has been put
into myself.
SPEAKER_00 (42:24):
So much time and energy has been put into myself.
SPEAKER_02 (42:28):
And put into this book.
SPEAKER_00 (42:30):
And put into this book.
SPEAKER_02 (42:37):
And my intention is to share it so that it helps
others.
My intention is to share it sothat it helps others.
And in a situation like this, Ihave to get myself out of the
way.
SPEAKER_00 (42:51):
In a situation like this, I have to get myself out
of the way.
I can't help others if I keepthe book to myself.
I can't help others if I keepthe book to myself.
SPEAKER_02 (43:02):
And if this book is divinely inspired.
And if this book is divinelyinspired, I have to get myself
out of the way.
SPEAKER_00 (43:11):
I have to get myself out of the way.
SPEAKER_02 (43:13):
And maybe getting myself out of the way is part of
my spiritual journey.
SPEAKER_00 (43:18):
And maybe getting myself out of the way is part of
my spiritual journey.
SPEAKER_02 (43:22):
I want to surrender all this fear.
SPEAKER_00 (43:25):
I want to surrender all this fear.
SPEAKER_02 (43:28):
I want to feel the fear and be able to move forward
anyway.
SPEAKER_00 (43:33):
I want to be able to feel the fear and move the same
way.
Forward anyway.
Forward anyway.
SPEAKER_02 (43:41):
I've come this far.
SPEAKER_01 (43:43):
I've come this far.
SPEAKER_02 (43:45):
My only regret at this point would be to not take
the next steps.
My only regret would be to nottake the next steps.
So I have to keep moving.
SPEAKER_00 (43:55):
So I have to keep moving.
SPEAKER_02 (43:57):
I have to get myself out of the way.
SPEAKER_00 (43:59):
I have to get myself out of the way.
SPEAKER_02 (44:03):
My heart is in this book.
My heart is in this book.
But getting it out there is notabout me.
But getting it out there is notabout me.
It can't be about me.
SPEAKER_01 (44:15):
It can't be about me.
SPEAKER_02 (44:17):
And I deeply honor all my thoughts and feelings
about this.
SPEAKER_01 (44:21):
And I deeply honor all my thoughts and feelings
about this.
SPEAKER_02 (44:25):
And I want to let go of all fear associated with
this.
SPEAKER_00 (44:29):
And I want to let go of all fear associated with
this.
SPEAKER_02 (44:32):
I want to release all fear from every part of my
body.
SPEAKER_00 (44:37):
I want to release all fear in every part of my
body.
SPEAKER_02 (44:51):
I'm releasing it from all my bodily fluids.
I'm releasing it from all mysoul memory.
SPEAKER_00 (45:02):
I'm releasing it from all my soul memory.
SPEAKER_02 (45:04):
And every fiber of my being, including my aura.
SPEAKER_00 (45:08):
And every fiber of my being, even my aura.
SPEAKER_02 (45:12):
I'm releasing all fear now.
I'm releasing all fear now.
And I am giving myself thecourage to take the next steps,
what however small they are.
SPEAKER_00 (45:23):
And I'm giving myself the courage to take the
next steps, uh no matter howsmall they are.
SPEAKER_02 (45:30):
Just one small step forward is something I can do
today.
SPEAKER_00 (45:34):
Just one small step forward is something I can do
today.
SPEAKER_02 (45:38):
And I really honor my courage in taking this
approach.
SPEAKER_00 (45:41):
And I really honor my courage in taking this
approach.
SPEAKER_02 (45:45):
Okay.
Nice deep breath.
Okay, keeping your eyes closedagain.
Let's just kind of reevaluate umheaviness in your heart.
Where were you?
Where are you?
SPEAKER_00 (46:02):
There's still a one.
There's still some heaviness.
SPEAKER_02 (46:05):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (46:05):
But the head has come down like a two or three.
SPEAKER_02 (46:09):
Oh, that's fantastic.
SPEAKER_01 (46:12):
That is fantastic.
SPEAKER_02 (46:14):
Yes.
Yes, that's wonderful.
Congratulations.
SPEAKER_01 (46:17):
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (46:23):
Thank you.
I appreciate this.
And I appreciate um beingwitnessed in this.
Uh, you know, doing this work,it um some of our work is
similar, um, of reallyunderstanding that nervous
system and fear and our beliefsand everything else.
Um and being witnessed in thisand allowing myself to
(46:46):
surrender, I'm I'm trulygrateful for this.
I really, really am.
And I am thankful that, youknow, that we are joined right
now so that other people can seewhat's possible for them and see
what the benefits are for them.
Yeah.
And so I'm hoping that, youknow, always in my mind, and you
(47:08):
know, you've said the phrases inthere, one is a million.
So if it's one person that istransformed or finds help in
this, then that means, you know,I've done what I need to do.
So if one person hears thispodcast and is able to reach out
to you and see what's possiblefor them, I'm very honored with
(47:30):
you allowing me to be in frontof you and do the work.
So thank you so much, Amy.
SPEAKER_02 (47:36):
Oh, you're so welcome.
I'm really glad that it broughtyour number down at least a
little bit today.
Oh, we had more time, we'd getyou to a zero, I'm convinced.
SPEAKER_00 (47:44):
I know I have no doubt with it.
I have no doubt because we didthis in very quick time.
And I think you know, the quicktime is also too because of the
work that I do so that thesystem can surrender and allow
us to receive and feel safe inthis, because hypervigilance is
an awful thing to navigatethrough to find that safety and
(48:07):
openness.
SPEAKER_02 (48:08):
One thing I do want to point out is that you will
likely be triggered by thisexact same thing over and over
again through this journeybecause we haven't totally
neutralized the trauma of havingthis physical problem earlier in
your life.
(48:29):
And um, and because it's anongoing issue.
So it's not, I don't want you toexpect that it will stay at the
low number that it is.
SPEAKER_01 (48:39):
No, no, no, I don't.
SPEAKER_02 (48:40):
I don't you will continue to be um triggered
along the way whenever somethingnew comes up, and you know, the
first time you go out and talkabout your book in front of a
group, it's gonna go up.
And the first time you, I don'tknow, do something else, it'll
go up again.
So just expect that you have tocontinue to do this along the
(49:00):
way.
SPEAKER_00 (49:01):
Oh, I know, I know.
That's that's the one thing Ialways tell myself and my
clients is that there's noarrival.
And the tools that you've beenusing, a lot of times people are
like, oh, I feel good.
So I'm just gonna let these droplike a crutch, and then
everything starts to fumbledown.
And it's like, are you doingyour mirror work?
Are you doing your tapping?
Are you doing your meditation?
Are you doing it's like, oh,yeah, it's been a long time.
(49:24):
It's like, well, there you go.
You're not taking care of yournervous system and allowing it
to not get, you know, we'rewe're always going to constantly
get triggered.
It's just how are we going torespond or react in those
triggers?
Are we able to identify and meetourselves with it rather than
try to run away, try to, youknow, numb it and everything
(49:45):
else?
Um, so it's being able torecognize those triggers and
then meet yourself of what doyou need?
SPEAKER_02 (49:52):
And I truly think too that tapping is a powerful
enough tool to heal trauma atits source, so that the amount
of times that we are triggeredgets less and less the more we
do this work.
I I'm not the same person I waswhen I started doing tapping,
and I have totally neutralizedsome huge, huge um triggering
(50:14):
elements in my life, and they nolonger bug me at all.
So the amount of things thatmakes me anxious is cut in half
or less, and I continue to kindof take them on one by one as
soon as I recognize what it isthat that needs my attention.
So I think um you're right, wewill continue to get triggered,
(50:36):
and I do think that we canneutralize it at the source.
So getting rid of it entirely ispossible.
SPEAKER_00 (50:43):
Yeah, because that's the thing.
Like I know this book, it hassome attachment to what I
experienced with Natalie um andher, you know, passing and the
cancer treatments and me holdingspace and everything else.
So some of that grief isattached into this book and what
I'm experiencing and goingthrough.
(51:04):
So it's like, okay, life isgonna happen.
There's no control over it.
So that's why I say triggers,you know, our nervous system
doesn't know past, present, orfuture.
So it's just sensations thatcome up.
But if we've allowed ourselvesto feel them, like you said,
some people don't want to feelit.
So that's why it goes into suchan extreme.
Yet if you're willing to feelit, that's where the
(51:26):
neutralizing, like you said,about the trigger.
And you're like, oh, okay, ofcourse, this is a human
experience that you're feeling.
Fear is a human experience.
There's like if you're notfeeling any kind of fear, then
you're in a dangerous spotbecause your nervous system has
to keep you protected in a way.
And you know, grief is part ofliving.
Um, and pain is a teacher, it'spart of what it is to be human
(51:50):
and and go through theexperience.
So I thank you so very much.
Um, you're welcome.
We'll be in contact.
And can you let the listenersknow where they can find you?
SPEAKER_02 (52:01):
Absolutely.
You can always email me, Amy atsorewithapping.com.
Um, and I also have an app thathas over 160 different tapping
scripts, um, a whole section ongoal support for just the type
of thing that you we weretapping on today, and other, you
know, 11 other differentcategories and meditations.
(52:22):
Um, so I encourage everybody todownload it either through the
Android or the Google or theApple App Stores.
And um yeah, yeah, get starttapping.
Just start.
Start.
SPEAKER_00 (52:35):
Yeah.
Now I want to bring you into areflective question.
I want to ask you to bring yourawareness right now and to go
back to your 18-year-old self.
And you have three words you cantell your 18-year-old self to
carry you to the journey rightnow.
What would that be?
SPEAKER_02 (52:54):
Surrender, compassion for self.
And this is a good question,yeah, let's see.
Compassion, surrender, andcuriosity.
SPEAKER_00 (53:06):
Powerful words.
And that those really bring youthrough the journey.
Now, I know there's a listenerthat needs to hear something
from you.
So it might be an anxiouslistener or fearful or somebody
that might even just be numb.
If you can reach into yourselfand intuitively tap into what is
(53:30):
the one sentence you think thatwill help that one listener
that's listening in.
SPEAKER_02 (53:35):
I would just say that I don't think that there
are any negative emotions.
Um, I think the negativenegativity comes in when we
judge and criticize ouremotions.
So if we just allow ourselves tofeel them, to turn into them
when they arise, um, and andinstead of analyzing it
(53:58):
intellectually, really feel itin our bodies, and that is what
makes it go away.
Studies have shown that like youfeel a feeling for 90 seconds,
which is not very long, 90seconds and it starts to go
away.
So, whatever it is you'refeeling, you just allow it to
happen and feel it in your body,and then you can release it much
(54:21):
faster.
Tapping helps, but if you don'thave that, then just turn into
it.
SPEAKER_00 (54:26):
Thank you, Amy.
And you know, thank you for thealchemy that you've done in your
life.
You've taken those impuritiesand you've turned them into
gold, yet you didn't keep thegold for yourself.
You're sharing it with others.
So thank you for being thatliving testament of what's
possible and what the body cango through and heal into.
So thank you so much, Amy, forbeing here.
(54:47):
Oh, thank you for having me.
Please remember to be kind toyourself.
Hey, you made it all the wayhere.
I appreciate you and your time.
If you found value in thisconversation, please share it
out.
If it was somebody that poppedinto your mind, take action and
share it out with them.
It possibly may not be them thatwill benefit.
(55:09):
It's that they know somebodythat will benefit from listening
to this conversation.
So please take action and shareout the podcast.
You can find us on social media,on Facebook, Instagram, and
TikTok under LiftOneself.
And if you want to inquire aboutthe work that I do and the
services that I provide topeople, come over on my website,
(55:34):
come into a discovery callliftoneself.com.
Until next time, please rememberto be kind and gentle with
yourself.
You matter.
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