The Art of Rest: Why Pausing Isn’t Quitting

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Welcome to the Lift One Selfpodcast.
I'm your host, nat Nat, and Ihave a guest that we had back in

(00:43):
January, and she is back.
Dominique Clifton is here andwe are going to talk about
pausing and how challenging thatcan be.
And just because we pause, itdoesn't mean to quit.
It just means allowing yourselfto get rested, rejuvenated, so
you can come back with freshenergy.

(01:03):
So, dominique, some may nothave heard our last podcast, so
could you introduce yourself tothe listeners please?

Dominiece Clifton (01:12):
Yes.
So, natalie, thank you firstfor having me again.
I'm excited to be here.
Our first conversation was sobeautiful, so I know that this
one will also be just asbeautiful energy.
So I'm Dominique Clifton.
I am a clarity coach and abusiness strategist, and I help
women entrepreneurs andnonprofit founders gain the
clarity and confidence they needto birth the visions that

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spirit has entrusted to them andeither to launch a business or
an organization or to grow theirexisting business or
organization, and I love thework that I do so much.
I am all about helping women tofind clarity, and so I focus on
three things.
I say I focus on helping womenfind clarity on the you, the who
and the how.

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The you is important becauseit's who we are as business, who
we are as people, and then webring that to our businesses
right.
Like so much of who we are, somuch of our soul's blueprint
goes into the businesses andorganizations that we create,
and so I help clients get reallyclear on that.
The who is about gettingcrystal clear on your ideal
client, what their pain pointsare, what their needs are, and

(02:16):
then, of course, from there youthink about the how.
What transformative solution doyou want to offer that feels
authentic and aligned to you butalso supports and serves your
desired audience in a way that'simpactful.
And yeah, that's a little bitabout me.
I guess we'll jump more intothe self-care piece once we
start talking, but that's just alittle bit about who I am as I

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enter today's conversation.

So I'm going to bring a raw, vulnerable part
.
You are so lit up when youspeak about this.
Yet before we started recording, we both acknowledged that we
are fatigued this morning and alittle tired.
Yet when you're in your passion, there's an energy that just
carries you, that you're likeit's not forced, it's not

(03:02):
fabricated, it's just inalignment of carrying you.
So I just wanted to let thelisteners hear some of that
insight and that honesty,because we don't yeah it's
important.

You know, I think that that goes into why
I'm so passionate about the workthat I do, because I've been on
the side of doing something andnot being lit up about it, and
I saw how that drained my energyand depleted me, and I was
always burned out.
And so I am so passionate abouthelping women to pivot, if
necessary, and realignthemselves to find the thing

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that really lights them up,because, especially as
entrepreneurs, this work is hard.
It's not an easy journey, andso when you are doing something
and it doesn't necessarily, Isay, set your soul on fire it is
even harder, right?
So it's important for us tomake sure that we're in
alignment with the way that oursoul wants to show up, because
we do naturally have energy fromdoing those things.

So before we get into the conversation, will
you join me in a mindful moment?
Actually support that pause yes, I love that for the listeners.
As you always hear, safety first.
Uh, please don't close youreyes if you're driving or need
your visual safety, and yeteverything else you're able to
follow in the prompts.

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So, dominice, I'll ask you toget comfortable in your seating
and, and if it's safe to do so,you're going to gently close
your eyes and you're going tobegin breathing in and out
through your nose.
You're going to bring yourawareness to watching your
breath.
You're not going to try andcontrol it, you're just going to

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allow it to be in its naturalstate, guiding you into your
body, to be in its natural state, guiding you into your body.
There may be some sensations orfeelings coming up.
That's okay, let them come up.
You're safe to feel.
You're safe to let go,surrender the need to control,

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release the need to resist andjust be, be with your breath,
drop deeper into your body.
Now there may be thoughts orto-do lists that have popped up,
and that's okay.
That's the mind working.
Yet, gently, bring yourawareness back to your breath,

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creating space between theawareness and the thoughts and
dropping deeper into your body,being in the space of being.
Again, that mind may havebrought you into some thoughts
because it wants to do somedoing and make meaning.

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Gently bring your awarenessback to your breath, beginning
again, creating even more spacebetween the awareness and the
thoughts and completely droppinginto the body, into presence,

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into being.
Now taking a few more breaths.
Now, at your own time and atyour own pace, you're going to
gently open your eyes whilestaying with your breath.
Thank you, thank you.

(06:51):
How's your heart doing?

really good today.
Really good today.
I didn't meditate this morning,I decided to sleep in.
I usually wake up early andmeditate, and so, just you know,
this one or two minutes ofpausing to drop in feels so good
, and I'm used to holding spacefor others.
I'm not always used to havingpeople to hold space for me, and
so I appreciate those moments alot more.

(07:20):
So, thank you so much.
I feel great yeah.

Yeah, thank you.
I totally understand how thatfeels of always leading, yet
would like to be led and justsurrender all that space holding
to just be with caring foryourself.
So I, when we did the podcast,you had invited me to come onto

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your podcast and it took me awhile to schedule in.
So I missed out because whenyou looked at my request, you
indicated that you were pausingthe podcast right now.
So that was a powerful choiceyou made and to honor your own
transition of you know, personaland business, wise and

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wellbeing.

So can you share what that decision taught
you about yourself?
Yeah, it wasn't an easydecision.
I started my podcast threeyears ago now actually around
this time three years ago in2022.
And I always the story behindmy podcast is so interesting
because I guess, for about Idon't know, six or seven years
now, I've been an avid podcastlistener and I love Audible
books, so I take in informationaudibly and so podcasts have

(08:36):
just been my jam.
But I never really wanted tostart my own.
And then one day, in I would sayJanuary or February of 2022, I
was going through yoga teachertraining.
So there was lots of meditationand restorative yoga and things
of that nature.
There were lots of moments tobe grounded and in stillness.
And one day I remember I was ina restorative yoga position I

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think it was like a reclinedbutterfly and I heard the
podcast name.
My podcast is called the Schoolof Healing, so the name came to
me and the premise for thepodcast came to me.
And I heard the podcast name.
My podcast is called the Schoolof Healing, so the name came to
me and the premise for thepodcast came to me, and I
remember jumping out of thatmeditation grabbing the journal
that was next to me and tryingto frantically catch everything
that spirit was delivering to mein that download.
And then, once I got a page ortwo filled, I stopped right.

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The download stopped coming andI looked at it and I was like,
all right, I guess I'm startinga podcast.
And I immediately, like,decided to be obedient to how I
was being guided and I startedthe podcast and I didn't know
anything about what it took tostart a podcast at that time, so
it was going to Google andYouTube university and like
teaching myself all of thesethings and there was a learning

(09:42):
curve.
But I have loved having mypodcast so much.
I enjoy having conversationslike this and learning other
people's stories and I have anaturally curious brain and so
it lends well to being a podcasthost and being able to ask
people questions and learn abouttheir lives, and so I share all
that.
To say that, although I neverplanned to start a podcast, it's

(10:02):
been such a joy to have it overthese last three years, but I
know that you can relate to italso is a lot of work, right?
Especially when you have apodcast that's not yet
generating income for you, likesome of the larger podcast
platforms are.
So it's a labor of love, it'ssomething that you are doing,
that's a hobby, something thatyou're interested in, but

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there's a lot that goes onbehind the scenes in producing
an episode and getting all thegraphics and things out, and so
there have been times over thelast three years where I've done
everything myself.
And then there have been timeswhere maybe I got grant funding
or some additional funding andI've been able to hire a few
people to help me.
It just kind of has depended onthe season and where I've been

(10:43):
financially as an entrepreneurand in December of 24, I decided
to let go of the people that Ihad helping me just because,
financially, I'm investing in abusiness coach, and so I decided
to like invest in a differentplace.
So I've been doing the podcastby myself for the last like four
months and it's been a lot ofwork in addition to full-time

(11:06):
entrepreneurship and managingtwo businesses and being a mom.
And when I reached out to you, Ihad very recently made the
tough decision to say you knowwhat in this season that I'm in
right now, which is a season ofstepping into dualpreneurship,
where I'm searching forfull-time nine to five jobs, but
also very much so stillplanning to be an entrepreneur

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because, like we said at thestart of the episode, I love the
work so much and it trulylights me up and I'm passionate
about it.
So I'm not quitting on the goal.
It's just recognizing that Ineed more consistent income as a
single mom, right, like I needto know that, regardless of how
business is today or tomorrow,like my basics are covered and
that's what a full-time joballows for me.

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So I made the decision to startjob hunting and recognizing
that, you know, in this seasonyou can give yourself permission
to pause on something, even ifyou love it right, even if it
lights you up, and to come backto it later.
I think a lot of times we feellike if we pause or if we pivot,

(12:10):
we're quitting, and so peopletypically shy away from doing
that and we stay with thingsthat maybe we've outgrown or
maybe the season for that hasexpired for right now.
That's not to say that you can'tstep back into it later, but
I'm learning that.
It's not to say that you can'tstep back into it later, but I'm

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learning that it's okay topause, right, it's okay to pause
.
It doesn't mean that you'requitting.
It's okay to pivot if you arefeeling called to pivot, and
that doesn't mean that you'requitting either, and so for me,
it was a tough decision again topause on something that I love,
but I feel very adamant aboutthis season that I'm in
recognizing that I can't do allthe things and be all the things
, and so the podcast is easilysomething that I can come back

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to and pick up when I have agreater capacity, and I feel
like I put so much out in thelast three years that people can
still tap into and utilizewhile I am pausing.
And so, yeah, that's how we gothere today to have this
conversation.

What were the body cues that were
signaling to you to pause?

I think the first thing is like recognizing
that you are a spiritual being,having a human existence, and
there's only so many hours inthe day in this like human world
, right, it's like if I have along to-do list of things and
I'm trying to get everythingdone and at the end of every
single day I'm, you know,feeling tired and fatigued

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because I've tried to cram somuch and then do so much.
For me, it was stepping awayand being like what are the
non-negotiables that have to bedone in this season?
For me, right now, that'slooking for jobs, which is a
full-time job in itself,especially in our current
political climate where so manypeople are being laid off and
lots of folks are looking forjobs.
So it was recognizing thatthat's a priority for me in this

(14:04):
season.
It was recognizing you alsostill have clients that you have
to serve at a high level, andthat is important for me in this
season.
And so finishing each dayfeeling like I just won, just
ran a half marathon.
Right, I'm a projector when itcomes to human design and so I
don't have a huge energycapacity like some people, like

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the generators of the world, soit doesn't take much for me to
burn out and because I know thatI usually have to be very
mindful of my energetic capacityand what I'm putting out.
So when I start to feel myselfgoing multiple days where I'm
finishing the day feelingfatigued or I'm feeling
exhausted and I'm mentallyexhausted, I'm finishing the day

(14:47):
feeling fatigued or feelingexhausted and you know I'm
mentally exhausted, I'mphysically exhausted that's when
I have to pause and take a stepback and really honor what my
body is telling me, which is,yes, you are very ambitious and
you have a strong work ethic,but, dom, you are also human,
right, and you cannot, despitewhat you tell yourself.
Sometimes you can't do all thethings, and that's okay.
And so I made a decision to saywhat for me is important in

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this season for business andwhat for me is important in this
season as a mother, right, as afriend, as someone who
committed to having more joy in2025.
And again, what is it that isin your life that you can maybe
pause on and come back to at alater time when it makes more
sense?
So the bodily cues were havingenough self-awareness to know

(15:31):
that my body was communicating.
This is a lot and making theconscious decision to decide
what can I take off of my plateright now in the season and then
pick up at a later time?

Were you noticing anything in your
relationships that was spillingover?
Because of being soovercapacitated and I'm hearing
a bit of the fear of finance, soanytime that major need is
getting touched on, thatoverwhelms us and can spiral us

(16:07):
out so it impacts those that areclose to us.
So were there anything?
Were there things in theserelationships that showed
something?

I will say that I was at a point in at the
end of 23, end of 22, going into23, where I had gotten so
stressed about finances.
It was like, as entrepreneurswe oftentimes more, you know, in
the earlier stages of businessgo through what I call feast or
famine seasons, where feast islike there's so much money

(16:39):
coming in and contracts and newclients and you know there's a
surplus and influx of income andusually in those seasons we
make more and we spend more.
Right, I didn't do a good jobduring those earlier years of
like, when I was in feast season, putting money aside for the
famine seasons.
And so I remember at the end of22, going into 23, it was a
slower season, it was Q4, whichfor a lot of businesses things

(17:06):
tend to slow down because peopleare shifting their priorities
to holiday shopping and thingsof that nature.
And I was so in a scarcitymindset and afraid about my
survival and being a mom andtaking care of my daughters on
my own financially that Iliterally stressed and worried
so much that I sent myself intoa depression that took me over a
year to get out.
I had to go to therapy, I hadto get on antidepressants, Like
it was really bad.
That low point for me was a I amnever going back here again.

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And so, even when now I havemoments where it's like money is
feeling like you know I coulduse more, I don't let myself
stress and worry in the way thatI used to.
And so there's this, there'sthis.
I was just talking to someoneyesterday Like sometimes we have
such low moments that when youhave a moment that feels similar
, it's like there's this innerwisdom of I've been here before.

(17:52):
I've survived this before.
Let me pause and check thereceipts right.
Like God has had my back in thepast and there were times that
were worse than this, when Ididn't think I was going to make
it through.
So like I can figure this out.
I survived that.
I can figure this out.
So financially, I am thankfullynot in a place where I'm like
stressed, overwhelmed andworried about money, but as a

(18:13):
responsible adult, I recognizelike I do need, you know, a bit
more consistency because I'm onmy own.
So I will say like thefinancial piece hasn't been a
huge barrier for me.
Thankfully, the working andbeing on the weeks where I'm a
mom, like finishing my day andfeeling so tired because I have
tried to stretch and do so manythings and then recognizing that

(18:37):
I don't have the capacity thatI desire to have as a mom, right
when it's like I get mychildren after school and like
all I want to do is sit down orall I want to do is lay down,
and it's like there's myphysical body saying you need to
rest, but there's my mentalbody saying no, I want to show
up and be a mom and, you know,hang out with my kids and do fun
things and, now that theweather's starting to break,
take them outside and go forwalks and all of those things.

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And so I think, to answer thequestion, there wasn't the
financial pressure of it, therewas me having enough
self-awareness to know that Ihave a certain intention, that I
desire to show up, as inmotherhood, and recognizing that
, especially on the weeks whereI'm a mom, I just didn't have
the physical capacity to show upin that way.

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And so, again, taking a stepback and asking myself what are
the non-negotiables in thisseason?
And then, what are the thingsthat you can pause on?
And the podcast and a few otherthings are things that I
decided to pause on in theseason, but making the decision
was tough, like reaching out toguests and saying, hey, you know
like that's also vulnerable too, I'm making a decision to pause

(19:41):
, but it was knowing that it wasthe best decision for me,
regardless of what other peoplethought.
I am right now reading thisbook that I highly suggest, or
listening to this book that Ihighly suggest, called Let them
by Mel Robbins.
It's really have you read it.

I read some of it.

It's good and it's been helping me in so many
ways, especially as anentrepreneur, because a lot of
times we're so concerned aboutother people and what are they
going to think if I post thisthing?
Or what are they going to thinkif I, you know, say this thing
or offer and create this newthing?
And that book has been soempowering because it's like let
them right.
If I reach out to someone andsay, hey, I'm pausing, whatever
they think, let them think that,let me make the decision that's

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best for me, my family right,like my business, and let people
think what they're going tothink.
And a lot of times we make upand conjure these stories in our
heads and then you have peoplelike you who are like I respect
that decision so much, are youwilling to come talk about it?
Whereas my brain was like, oh,people are going to judge you
and they're going to thinkyou're a quitter and all of
these things that are not true.
And so I know that was a reallylong answer, but I think the

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first part of that is havingenough self-awareness to know
your own body, right, becauseour bodies communicate to us
different.
And then the second part iswhatever decision you make, make
it for you and let people thinkwhat they're going to think,
right.

You know, to give some information for
people.
When we're so concerned aboutwhat others are thinking, it's
that our nervous system'slooking for safety Because we've
been looking for validationoutwardly for so long that we
don't even know how to practicethe validation within and be in
our worth.
So that's why the mind will golooping and wondering what are

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they going to think, and it'salso trying to control other

(21:44):
people's emotional thermostats.
We don't want it can feeldaunting when the mind's like
but what, what, what?
It's taking a moment to pauseand ask you know, what are you
trying to protect by goingoutwardly?
What's internally that you'reafraid to?
You know, reveal and let showup in its raw state.
But it feels so intimidating.

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It's not fun to go through theI call it warrior work because
it's a real thing and it can bedebilitating for some people.

And I think I used to.
I used to be someone who, like,walked through life wearing a
mask and caring so much aboutwhat other people thought about
me.
And I like remember a couple ofyears ago, three to five years
ago, being at a point where Iwould essentially put on a show
right, I would put on my cape, Iwould put on my mask and I

(22:34):
would go out into the world andlike show up as this high
performing version of myself andI'm okay.
And, like you know, internallythere's so much self-doubt,
there's so much shame, there'sso much guilt, and I was so at
that time, like worried aboutthe opinions of other people and
validation from other people.
And I'm really grateful thatthrough therapy you know somatic

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practices, a consistent, justmeditation and mindfulness
practices, practice that I'vebeen able to move away and
release a lot of that.
But yeah, it is.
I mean, we're still human,right, like you do, even though
now I don't.
I feel like I'm showing up asmyself and I'm not wearing a
mask anymore and like it feelsgood to just put myself out and
and be this version of myself.

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There are still times as ahuman where you care about what
people think, even when youdon't want to right, and so I
just want to name that.
I think that's a normal part ofbeing human, no matter how much
work that we've done, and it'srecognizing that, even though
there's a part of me that isconcerned about what other
people are thinking, I am stillgoing to make the best decision

(23:35):
for me.
I'm going to let them thinkwhat they need to think and I'm
going to make the best decisionfor my family right For my
business, for my life, for my,for my mental health, and let
the cards fall however they may.
And that's not always an easydecision to make.
It can be, especially if youare someone who's used to people
pleasing and used to seekingexternal validation.
It can feel like you're shakingyour whole world by doing those

(23:58):
, making those sorts ofdecisions.
But it's also very freeing andit's also very affirming when
people like you respond back,and, honestly, most of the
people that responded back hadnothing but positive things to
say.
There were people who were likecome back on the show and talk
like you.
And then there were otherpeople that are like yes, this
is a lot of work.
I understand and I've been inthose places.

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Kudos to you for againrespecting yourself and having
the mindfulness to know that youneed that pause.
And so a lot of times, thestories that we conjure up in
our heads about like worst casescenario, they don't even
usually happen.
So there's also that in pausing, it's like there may be one or
two people you know, if you makea tough decision that impacts
other people that might notagree, but most people are going

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to understand right this.
This human experience and allof us are so full and holding so
many things and most people aregoing to be supportive.
And so I think, even justknowing that, and whatever
decision you're making, whetherit's a pause or pivot um 98% of
the people are going to berooting for you to win.

Yeah, you see, um, unfortunately, some
people have in their mind thatonce you're doing the healing,
you're healed and nothing willpop up again and it's like I
know.
That's why you talk about apractice and you build tools so
when it gets activated, you knownot to get identified and
swallowed up by it.
The main thing about healing isthat many people think that

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they're the nervous system.
It takes the work to separatethemselves, to disidentify
themselves.
They think they're theiremotions and they're their
thoughts.
Nobody's ever brought them intoawareness and consciousness to
see that there's a space Betweenstimulus and response.
There's that space.
Yet if you are had trauma orexperiences, there's the defense

(25:45):
mechanisms that block you fromgoing in there.
And when you try to go in there, viscerally, your body gets
activated.
So, like you said, you know andI can relate to that pause or
validation that it starts tosignal and it's like, oh my gosh
, it's happening again, and thenit's using the tools of no, no,
like I understand, you'relooking for safety.
Yet we're safe to giveourselves permission, we're safe

(26:08):
to take charge of what ourstory is and we can always pivot
.
It's not set in stone.
But that's the work to be ableto acknowledge that to yourself,
not prove it to other people.
Hold that vulnerable space ofit's messy, it's uncomfortable
and it can be a little tediousat times, because you're like

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why is this narration stillcoming up?
And it's like well, life islifing, this is like surfing
You're not always going to be onthe surfboard, you're going to
fall off, you have to get backon and you have to surf and this
is all part of the journey.
However, a lot of people think,with the healing, everything's
going to be perfect,everything's going to, I'm going
to have it all together andit's like well, that's because

(26:50):
you want safety consistently andthat's not what living in this
world is.

Yeah, yeah, I agree with everything that you
said and I think two thingsbecome important.
I think and we've talked a lotabout this today is having a
level of self-awareness tounderstand when your triggers
are being activated or when youare being activated, Having
enough self-awareness tounderstand right the moments

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where you may need to pause orpivot right.
Like you asked, how was yourbody communicating to you?
And over the years I used to beI joke and say I was the queen
of burnout, Like I lived inburnout land for most of my
adult life up until about fiveyears ago, and it was a part of
that was because I wasdisconnected from my body
because of past trauma, and so Ididn't, I didn't understand, I

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wasn't, I would say, tuned inwith my body enough to know the
ways that my body wascommunicating to me when she
needed a break, and so I wouldjust like push past all the
signals I would, you know, pushthrough and ignore the ways that
my body was communicating to me, and it would take me to get to
the point of burnout to be like, oh shit, I need to take a
break.
So I've gotten much better withrecognizing the whispers before
they turn into, like the loudyell or the breakup side of the

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head.
So I think that when we aretalking about life and just you
know, navigating, holding a lotof things like, the first thing
that I always educate people orask people not even educate
people on is like, how does yourbody communicate to you?
Because that looks differentfor each of us.
Right, we may have some thingsin common when we feel tired and
burned out or overwhelmed, butit could also be very different

(28:24):
from person to person.
And I'm always amazed, when Ihost workshops, the ways that
people like say right, this ishow my body feels when it's
overwhelmed or stressed or I'mnearing the point of burnout.
So you have to have a level ofself-awareness with you know,
whatever season you're in inyour life, to know how your body
communicates to you.

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And then I think the second partof the conversation that is
important is having practicesand tools that you consistently
practice.
There is this because we ignoreour bodies.
Usually we get to the point ofbeing exhausted and burned out
and then we decide, oh, let medo something to get myself out
of this place.
But I always teach people thatyou should take a proactive
approach versus a reactiveapproach.

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Being reactive is waiting untilyou're burned out to do
something.
Being proactive is recognizingthat there's little small steps
and practices that you can takeevery day consistently so you
don't get to that place, and Ithink that that also becomes a
really important part ofregulating your nervous system
right, Like if you do smallthings every day, then usually

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it helps the nervous system notto get so kicked up and agitated
all the time, and so I justwant to offer, as a somatic
practitioner, what it looks like, what some of those practices
you know might look like.
So physical movement is themost efficient way, I would say,
to help the body and to calmthe nervous system and to
release stress, but also justpractices that build more

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mindfulness.
You talked about having thatmoment to pause before making a
decision, or having that momentto recognize the thoughts before
making the decision, to give into the thoughts.
So mindfulness becomes a reallyimportant practice to cultivate
, and we do that with meditationand breath work.
Right, we started the episodethat way Getting outside in
nature.
I found that to be reallyhelpful, Some sort of expressive

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practice that allows you torelease the thought.
So for me sometimes that'sjournaling.
Recently I restarted therapy soI can be talking to someone
that you trust, whether it's aloved one or a professional.
I would say one that's reallyoverrated is laughter, right,
Like laughing and allowingyourself to feel the joy that
life has to offer you is reallybeautiful.

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And then the last one that I'll,or last two that I'll say, is
crying right, Like, sometimescrying and allowing yourself to
release what is coming up issuch a beautiful way to regulate
, reset the nervous system,right, Like help yourself to
release what is coming up issuch a beautiful way to regulate
, reset the nervous system,right, Like help yourself to
release that stress andoverwhelm.
And then creative expression.
And that looks different foreach of us, but anything that
allows you to take the energy,the emotions that you're feeling

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in your mind, your body, yourheart and then channel them into
something else.
That might be listening tomusic, that might be making
music, that might be creatingyou know, painting or drawing,
like whatever that is for you.
But having you know a fewpractices that are a part of
your what I call soul careroutine that you tap into often
becomes so important because ithelps you to build your

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resistance over time.
Right, it helps you to becomemore mindful over time, and then
it eliminates some of theburnout and the crashing and the
overwhelm that we usually findourselves in when we're trying
to manage and hold so manythings.

So you speak so beautifully about soul care
and you've been speaking a bitabout boundaries.
So how do you know thedifference between avoidance and
the rest?

Ooh, that's a good question.
How do I know the differencebetween avoidance and rest?
What's coming up for me rightnow is the energy behind it,
right, like the energy behindavoidance or the energy behind

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whatever it is.
I'm trying to make sense ofthis.
So, when I am avoiding things,there is usually some underlying
fear or some thought in my headabout.
You know, most of the time it'sfear related putting myself out
there or doing this thing, soit causes me to avoid and to
procrastinate and to spend timeon other things that maybe are

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not as important or are notmoving the needle, and that's
something that I talk about alot, because, as entrepreneurs,
we can get stuck in a cycle ofavoidance and perfection and not
doing the things that we needto do.
So I keep saying this but youhave to build a level of
self-awareness, and sometimes wecan't do that on our own.
Sometimes it takes for us to goto therapy or to have a coach

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who can hold up a mirror andilluminate to you the activities
and the ways that you'reshowing up.
Right Like this isn't becauseyou didn't have time, this was
because you were avoiding that,because you were afraid.
Right, like.
Those are two different things.
So I think it's important toeither be able to see that for
ourselves and call ourselves outon that and hold ourselves
accountable, or have people inyour life family members,
friends, professionals, coacheswho can help you right when you

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are in that space of avoidanceand not doing the thing that
your soul is desiring to do tohelp you grow and evolve.
Rest for me usually doesn't comewith like underlying feelings
of fear, self-doubt, guilt,right, it's just recognizing
that my body is tired and thengiving myself permission to
honor that.

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So I would say the mindset andthoughts whether it's avoidance
or just hey, you need to slowdown and take a moment of rest
are usually different.
The energy behind avoidanceoften makes me feel icky and it
makes me feel fear and it makesme feel all of these things that
I have to sit and processthrough, whereas usually when
I'm feeling like I need to rest,I'm just feeling tired, right,

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I'm just feeling like I've donea lot or I've been doing a lot
and I need to pause and slowdown, but there's no like
thoughts ruminating in my headthat are kind of keeping me
stuck in a place.
And that might be different forother people, but I would say.
For me, I can usually tell thedifference behind the energy of
the thoughts that I'm having,whether it's me trying to avoid
something because I'm afraid todo it, or it's my body genuinely

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just being like I want to dothis thing, but right now, in
this moment, I need a break, andthen we can go back to this
thing.

Yeah, I bring this up because we're
talking about, you know, thefatigue and the rest.
And what people may not realizeis that when you're in freeze
and fawn state, your energy isvery low so you feel very
depleted.
And especially if you're goingto dismantle belief systems,

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you're going to tell people noso you can give yourself a yes.
There will be a fatigue in thatbecause you're rew.
Tell people no so you can giveyourself a yes.
There will be a fatigue in thatbecause you're rewiring your
nervous system.
So some people think it's oh,this must be burnout, where it's
like no, your nervous system'strying to ramp up to protect you
because it doesn't think thatyou can go into this unknown,

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uncertain space of yourauthenticity.
So I just want to highlightthat because it's not you know,
everybody wants it linear andstraight cut and it's like, like
you said, you have to be ableto have the awareness and call
it out.
It doesn't mean, it doesn't saythat you're not fatigued, it
doesn't say that you're notfeeling burnout.

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It's finding out the underlyingof where is this energy coming
from.
Like we both said when westarted the podcast, I'm feeling
fatigued.
And then I could name it.
I started my first workshop.
It was the first time that Iwas in high energy.
I was working, didn't go tosleep, so I could acknowledge
that Past couple of weeks I'vehad to do car shopping I was bed

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rotting because I didn't wantto make that financial decision
and really a lot of stuff goingon.
Yet I still had to step into itlittle by little, while
observing, like you're in fear,yet not berating myself, meeting
my body where it is andunderstanding.
Past experiences have beenreally painful and really
daunting and it's like are yousure you're making the most

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optimal choice for yourself andnot just out of scarcity and
grabbing something?

I think that's so, I think that's so
beautiful and I, you saidearlier, like we feel like we
get to this place where, whenwe're healed, things don't come
up, and I'm like that's such amyth.
When we're healed, things don'tcome up and I'm like that's
such a myth, it's such I don'tknow, can I say bullshit,
because we like there is thisperception of reaching right

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this place, this promised land,this version of ourselves, where
we don't have any of the oldwounds being activated, and it's
like.
No, like healing is about theconsistency of the practice and
really just recognizing that youare building emotional
resistance, like that's whathealing is right.
You're building a deeperrelationship with yourself.
You are becoming more aware ofyou know when you do have those,

(36:54):
those activators and thosetriggers, and you're able to
spot them.
It's not to say that they're notgoing to happen, and so I think
for most people it's givingyourself more grace, right, more
compassion.
It's not about perfection.
It's not about reaching thisplace where you don't have these
experiences anymore, or you'renever going to be activated, or
you're never going to have anoutburst, or you're never going
to feel afraid.

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It's about recognizing that youcan have a greater capacity to
deal with those things when theycome up, because they're going
to come up.
That's a part of the humanexperience.
That's why we said yes to beinghere.

So so many people listening right now are
navigating their own burnout oroverwhelm, or they're wanting to
shift their purpose.
So what would you say tosomeone who feels like they're
failing because they had to hitpause?

That's a good question.
Um, I think two things.
I think that over the lastcouple of years I've had to like
redefine my relationship withfailure, because I used to think
of failure as a bad thing, butnow I like see failure as an
opportunity to learn right.

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If I did something and I failedthe first time, it just means
that maybe I need to approach itin a different way the next
time I try it.
Failure is like it's likeeducation, it's like school,
right, it's the way that welearn through life.
And so I used to try to avoidfailure.
I used to be a quitter Like.
If I felt like I was, whateverI was doing, if it was a
relationship or a businessopportunity or anything that I'm

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trying, if I felt like I wasfailing or close to being on the
verge of failure, I would quitbefore I allowed myself to fail,
and only in therapy andunpacking that that I realized
that that was a pattern in mylife.
And so I would say the firstthing is recognizing that
failure again is just a teacherfor us and it just means that
sometimes we have to approachsomething differently.
And then it's also recognizingthat it's okay, right, like it's

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okay sometimes to not getsomething right.
I think the ultimate failure isthe not doing, the quitting
right, the giving up.
I think that that is thegreatest failure, but I think
life always presentsopportunities for us to do
things differently, to pause, topivot, and you have to
recognize that sometimes a pivotor a transition is not a

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failure.
It just means that the seasonhas shifted, but redefining
right our relationship withfailure.
For each of us, that looksdifferent, but I think that
that's probably the mostimportant step when you are
trying to accomplish any biggoal or dream, because it's an
inevitable part of the process.
You are going to fail.
And if you look at failure as ifthere's something wrong with me

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, I'm not good enough, I can'tdo this thing, you're going to
talk yourself out of it everysingle time, whereas if you step
back and look at what's thelesson in this right, the ironic
thing about life is that itwill keep giving us the same
lessons over and over until welearn them.
And so I keep getting to thepoint of like God damn it, I'm
failing again, I'm not gettingthis thing, I write again, but
I've gotten more wise now, whereI can take a step back and be

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like what is the universe tryingto teach me that I didn't learn
the last time I was here, twoor three years ago?
And instead of seeing thatmoment as a failure or this
current moment as me being onthe verge of failure, it's
literally pausing and slowingdown and being like what is the
lesson that I'm intended tolearn here, so that I don't have
to keep repeating this lessonor I don't have to continue to

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fail.
So failure, the short answer isan opportunity to learn, and I
think, if we start to reshapeour relationship with failure
and see it that way, it's just amoment, an educational moment
where, instead of going toschool and reading books, you're
going through life and you'rehaving experiences that are
teaching you right.
It becomes a little bit easierto navigate the challenges and

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to move through those moments offailure when you're just
looking at it as like this isjust a lesson, this is just a
growth opportunity.

Yeah, the version of you previously that
was afraid to step away.
What would she say to you rightnow?

She might be a little bit disappointed.
She was an overachiever, shewas a perfectionist she was.
I got diagnosed a couple ofyears ago with high performing
what is high functioning trauma,which is basically where you
have all of this trauma, and theway that you deal with that is
by being an overachiever, right,showing up and doing all the

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things and putting on the capeand being the strong person all
the time and like overexertingyourself, and so that's how I
existed for most of my life.
Where, so a couple of years ago, I probably would not have
paused the podcast, I probablywould have pushed through and
overwhelmed myself and causedmyself to burn out.
Right, that was a version ofmyself that I would say wasn't

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as wise.
I was more concerned about thethoughts and opinions of other
people and what are people goingto think if I pause?
Or what are people are going tothink if I put this on hold.
But I'm grateful because I'vegrown a lot now where, number
one, I have a betterrelationship with myself, where
I can honor when I need to slowdown and pause, whether that's
pausing on the podcast or justclosing my laptop for the day

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and not working.
So I've grown from there.
I am grateful that I am not thatversion of myself that I used
to be, who used to sacrificemyself because I was so
concerned about what otherpeople might think, or I felt
like I couldn't slow down mypace.
Right Like, we are not meant tosprint the entire way.
So, as long as the end goal isthe same, right Like.

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Eventually I know the podcastwill be back and I'll come back
and it'll be stronger.
Right, because there will belessons and things that I
learned in this season ofpausing that I can bring back.
I think that the past version ofmyself would have probably seen
this as a failure, but thisversion of myself, this more
wise version of myself, justrecognizing that it's just a
pivot Like, it's just a seasonthat I'm in right now and again,

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every season that we go throughis intended to teach us
something.
So I have no doubt that in thisoff season of not having the
podcast, I will be learningthings that are going to make me
a better podcast host, right,they're going to make me a
better podcast producer.
I'll have a greater capacitywhen I step back into it.
I'm sure the show will dobetter than it did before, and
so I have love for that versionof myself that I used to be, who

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, you know, didn't give myselfpermission to pause or to put
things down and felt like I hadto hold all the things and wear
all the capes.
But I'm grateful that I'm notthat version of myself and I'm
grateful that in moments likethis right I get to choose
myself and what makes the mostsense for me and my family, and
my goals and my vision, and notnecessarily making the decision
to appease other people.

Can I offer a suggestion?
Yes, because my question iswhat would the past version that
was afraid to step away?
What would she say to you?
And you answered she would bedisappointed.
However, is it possible thatshe would say thank you for
finally seeing me.
Hmm, that you're integratingyeah, I like that because it's

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not separate from you.
You're learning from it, yeahyeah, I receive that yeah.
So you mentioned all the thingsabout the podcast.
What's the energy you want tobring to it when it comes back?
So you mentioned all the thingsabout the podcast.
What's the energy you?

want to bring to it when it comes back.
Oh, my goodness, since startingthe podcast, I have gotten more
comfortable with being seen,Like being a guest on other
people's podcasts.
Hosting a podcast, it has beena lesson in authenticity.

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It's been a lesson invulnerability.
It's been a lesson in sayingthe thing that is coming up and
on my heart, without filteringmyself because, again, I'm
worried about what other peoplethink and I've really enjoyed
the growth that has come fromjust allowing myself to be seen
and heard in an authentic waywhen I return.
I feel like I've had thepodcast for three years, but

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only in the last like year haveI actually been clear about,
like, who I'm speaking to andwhat I want to offer, and so I
feel like I was just getting tothe place of putting out content
that was for my desiredaudience, as opposed to just
putting stuff out there and kindof, everyone needs healing,
right, like this is for everyone.
So when I come back right, it'snot an if, it's a when.

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When I return with the podcast,I hope that I am able to.
The podcast is for womenentrepreneurs and it's all about
giving tools and resources tohelp women nonprofit founders
and entrepreneurs step intoholding the big vision that
spirit has entrusted to them,and so my goal when I come back

(45:45):
is to come back as a morecertain version of myself and
have more tools, more resourcesthat I can share with other
people, because I've, you know,been living myself and walking
in my own authenticity andfollowing the vision that spirit
has given to me and, again,being an example of it.
Might not look the journey,might not look the way that you

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thought it was going to look,but that doesn't mean that it's
a failure, right.
Like, maybe this whole time,this plan to pause and pivot and
to step back into full-timeentrepreneurship maybe that was
a part of God's plan the wholetime, because he recognized that
there were things that I neededto learn.
So, again, if you're looking atit as like I'm failing, I'm not
able to do this thing full-timeanymore, it's like you never
know, right, what you're goingto get from these experiences.

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And so I guess, to wrapeverything up, when I return, I
hope that I return as a morecertain version of myself, right
, a more sure version of myselfand a more empowered version of
myself, and I hope that I'm ableto take all of those gifts and
strengths, whether they weregifts that I acquired previously

(46:50):
, or gifts that I require inthis season of pause.
I hope that I'm able to takethem and to share them out to
the world in a higher level, ina way that serves women on a
deeper, on a deeper scale.

What is one thing you're deeply proud of,
even if no one sees it?
Even?

if no one sees it.
I'm proud that I haven't quit.
I am proud that I have not quitbecause being an entrepreneur
is one of the hardest thingsthat I have ever said yes to.
I stumbled into it.
I never saw myself being anentrepreneur.
It wasn't the path that Iprobably would have chosen for
myself, because it doesn't feelsafe at times.

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Right, it has not felt safe attimes, but it has grown me in
ways that I could have neverimagined when I said yes, you
know, five years ago, or when Iwas dabbling over a decade ago
in entrepreneurship.
And I think the things that wetry to avoid sometimes are our

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greatest opportunities forgrowth and learning.
And for me, I am just gratefulthat I've been through a
separation and divorce and I'mco-parenting children, and so
there's all of these other likepersonal things that have been
happening in the midst of tryingto build a business.
And there have been plenty ofopportunities where the door was
open for me to walk away andstep away and to quit.
And in those seasons I may havepaused, right, I may have taken

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a moment to realign myself, tomake sure that I am in alignment
with the plan that spirit hasfor my life, but I have not quit
.
And even now that I'm steppingback into full-time entrepreneur
or full-time employment, I amstill not quitting right.
I'm just taking a differentpath.
I'm just choosing a differentmethod to the, with the same end
goal in mind.

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So, when I think about what I'mproud of, I'm just proud that I
didn't give up.
I'm just proud that I have notand will not give up Right.
Even if it doesn't look likethe path that I would have
necessarily chosen, I'm proudthat I'm still pursuing the path
.

What would your future self tell you right
now about fear?

Oh, these are some good questions, natalie.
Fear is often a sign thatyou're on the right track.
To me, I see fear as thecompass, letting me know that

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I'm moving in the rightdirection.
For anyone who is listening,who is afraid of fear, like, if
you don't feel fear, it meansthat you're not thinking big
enough.
It means that you're not aimingbig enough.
It means that you're in a placeof comfort and complacency
right and your goals are goingto require you to step outside
of your comfort zone and to playon a bigger scale.

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So if you are just coastingthrough life and you're not
feeling any fear, right, it'stime to shake things up and to
dream bigger.
And so I think, when I thinkabout the future version of
myself and what she would say tothis version of myself, she
would remind me that the fear ishere not because I'm doing
something wrong or I'm failing.
It's because it's my compassand it lets me know that I'm on

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the right track.
And so I think she would tellme to stay in it right, to not
be intimidated by the fear, torely on the tools and resources
I have, whether it's mymindfulness practices or therapy
, or all the other things thatI've acquired over the years and
add it to my toy box.
She would remind me to utilizethose things when necessary.
But she would also, I think,remind me that fear is a sign

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that I'm moving in the rightdirection.

Now I'm going to bring you into that
reflective question.
I'm going to ask you to bringthis awareness now and go back
to that 18-year-old self.
And what are three words youwould offer that 18 year old
self to bring you to right now,this journey, at this present
time?

oh, my goodness 18 year old Dom and
this is still something that I'mworking on because my business
coach reminds me all the timeyou don't have to do everything
on your own.
But at 18, I was still verymuch so in my trauma and I

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thought that I had to navigatelife and do everything on my own
.
So I would tell 18-year-old Dom, I had to figure this out.
12 years later, in my 30s, Istarted to kind of unpack all
the things.
But I would first say right, itis okay to get help, to be
helped, right to allow help intoyour life.
You don't have to do everythingon your own.

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Because I was moving throughlife being super independent,
right from a place of trauma.
My stories, my past experienceshave told me that I couldn't
depend on anyone but myself andthat oftentimes just leads to
overwhelm, exhaustion, burnout,constantly hitting walls.
And so I would tell her thatit's okay to lean into family,
friends, professionals, right Toput down this strong,

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independent woman facade thatI've been carrying for so long.
That's the first thing that Iwould tell her.
The second thing that I wouldtell the 18-year-old version of
myself that I didn't start tofigure out until a lot later in
life is that I'm enough.
I used to try to overcompensateand overachieve to prove that I

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was enough, right To prove if Iwork really hard and I do a
really good job, then peoplewon't see the wounded parts of
me or these parts of me that Idon't feel so good about.
And so I felt like I had to,like, prove myself to the world,
and I'm grateful that I'vemoved away from that a lot.
And so I would remind thatversion of myself that you don't
have to do anything to provethat you are enough.

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You are enough just becauseright.
You are enough because you area reflection of spirit, right,
you are literally created inGod's image and that's enough.
And the third thing I wouldtell that version of myself to
live more Like I am now.
As this 30 something year oldversion of myself, I'm trying to

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be more intentional about joyand having fun and pleasure and
bliss and doing things that feelgood.
And sometimes I think, to myfault or detriment, I can be so
goal oriented that I'm like headdown, I'm locked in on the
prize, I don't come up for air,and then it starts to impact my
mental and emotional health and,like again, I have more
self-awareness.
So I recognize it now, but Ithink that I've been too serious

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for a long time and I didn'tallow myself to have fun and
there were times where, when Ishould have been enjoying life
right, like I was working toohard or, you know, too focused
on again trying to prove to thevoices in my head or to the
people in the world that I wasgood enough.
So I would remind that youngerversion of myself to have more
fun, like these are the bestyears, right, like 18, the teens

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and the 20s.
Those are the best years.
You don't have a lot ofresponsibility, you get to make
decisions and choose yourselfright.
Have fun, live your life, liveyour life for you.
And honestly, I think if I hadhad someone to tell me that in
my teens or twenties, I wouldhave made different decisions
and I would have a differentlife than the one that I've

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chosen.
But you know we go through whatwe go through for a reason.
But I wish that I had chosenmyself and chosen more fun over
the life that you know I haddecided to say yes to.

So I know the listeners are where can I
find Domineese?
So could you let them knowwhere they can find Dom?

Yeah, um, I think the best place to connect
with me the kind of like oneplace that you go, where you can
go and get access to all theplaces is my website.
Um, so my website isdomrcliftoncom.
If you go there, you canconnect on social media, you can
learn more about who I am andthe services that I offer and

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the way that I support womenentrepreneurs and nonprofit
founders.
And if someone is listening tothis, that's a woman
entrepreneur and feeling maybelike it's time for a pivot, or
it's time for a pause, orfeeling stuck in their business
right and not sure of how to getout of that space.
There is a free quiz on thehomepage of my website.

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It's called the EntrepreneurialClarity Assessment and it's a
three-minute quiz.
You take the quiz, answer a fewyes or no questions and it
helps you to identify right acertain archetype that you've
essentially gotten stuck in asan entrepreneur or even a
nonprofit founder, and then itgives you recommendations and
solutions that you can begin totake right away to get out of
that.

(55:38):
And so, in talking aboutpausing and pivoting and you
know, shifting and all thethings sometimes we can get
stuck and need to pause or needto pivot and be stuck in a place
and not recognize how to getout of that, and so the quiz is
a really great way to get sometools and recommendations.
If you're feeling stuck rightor maybe like it is time for a
pivot, you can take thatassessment.

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So I would direct folks to gothere and then, you know,
connect with me in all theplaces from my website.

Now, thinking of this whole
conversation that we had and, asyou said, the universe is
serving, because your newsletteryesterday was in regards to
pivoting and pausing and, youknow, shifting.
What is the one intention thatyou would like to send out to
whoever is listening right now?

the one intention that I want to share
is just a reminder that life isgoing to require pauses and
pivots at certain points, andthat doesn't mean, when we are
faced with the pause or pivot,that we've failed.
It just means that it's anopportunity for us to grow right
.
You can pivot.
It just means that it's anopportunity for us to grow right
.
You can pivot.
You should, at times, pivot.
You can pause.
You should, at times, pause,but don't quit.
Don't quit right.

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Quitting silences the dream,and pausing and pivoting just
allows you to refine it.
Then you get to come backstronger with whatever it is
that you are working on anddesiring, and so that is what I
would leave folks with today isjust a reminder that a pivot
doesn't mean that you messed upor you didn't do something right

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.
It just means that life isrequiring you in this season to
take a different path to get tothe same angle.

Well, again, it has been a delight, has been
a raw, vulnerable conversationand I again want to thank you
for the alchemy that youcontinuously keep refining and
taking those impurities andturning them into gold and not
just keeping it for yourself.
You're sharing it out withothers and, you know, coming on

(57:48):
this podcast and showing therawness of what you're going
through, and you know peoplehave certain images and it's
like, oh, if I'm honest, will Ilose some clientele or some
spectators, or will it impact mybrand?
Yet by having this honesty,you're actually reinforcing that
brand and creating a reallysolid foundation which is within

(58:13):
yourself.
So when the winds blow that,yeah, they might rustle the
leaves, yet the roots are deeperin.
So it's like I'm not going toseparate from it.
So thank you so much for thisbeautiful dialogue, for sharing
yourself.
I hope you will come back againbecause I'm sure many people

(58:34):
would like to hear well, how didit end up?
Because everybody's curious.
Like I said, I'm going carshopping and I'm like, oh, but
we're talking about a globalrecession right now and all
these things, and we never knowwhat's going to happen.
In our choices, it's just howdo we use the tools not to
separate from self and how do wepivot and remember that we have

(58:55):
the capacity.
So, for any listeners listeningright now, remember that healing
is revolutionary, that healingrequires your self-awareness,
your commitment to be honestwith yourself and, as Dom said,
that witnessing is very powerfulbecause there's certain parts
of your shadow.

(59:15):
I call it like an elephant inthe room.
It doesn't know how to revealitself.
Yet when you're with somebodyelse, that elephant can be seen
and it can be brought into sight, into the light of your
awareness that it doesn't haveto stay in the shadows.
I know a lot of people thinkshadow work is some evil thing,
where it's like.
Actually the shadow is just anillusion, keeping you from the

(59:38):
space between stimulus andresponse.
So thank you again forenriching us, dom, and I look
forward to connecting again andhearing how the journey has been
going.

Natalie, thank you so much for having me.
I always feel so full after ourconversations.
I feel much more energized thanwhen we hit record at the start
.
So I'm just really gratefulthat we have connected and that
we get to engage in these sortsof dialogue and then share them
out with the world.

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I appreciate you and your time.
If you found value in thisconversation, please share it
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If there was somebody thatpopped into your mind, take
action and share it out withthem.
It possibly may not be themthat will benefit.
It's that they know somebodythat will benefit from listening

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So please take action and shareout the podcast.
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And if you want to inquireabout the work that I do and the
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Inquire about the work that Ido and the services that I
provide to people.
Come over on my website.
Come into a discovery callliftoneselfcom.
Until next time, pleaseremember to be kind and gentle
with yourself.
You matter.

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