May 5, 2025 • 59 mins
Have you ever felt the burning desire to write, yet find yourself frozen by self-doubt and fear of rejection? This episode takes you on a deeply vulnerable journey into the heart of creative expression with book coach Lisa Tener, who brings her wealth of experience from helping hundreds of authors transform their writing blocks into flowing creativity.
Lisa opens by sharing her remarkable path from MIT graduate to published author and book coach, revealing how a personal health crisis led her to rediscover the healing power of writing. With over a dozen years teaching at Harvard Medical School's publishing course and multiple award-winning books to her name, Lisa brings both credibility and compassion to the creative process.
What unfolds is nothing short of magical as Lisa guides our host through a powerful visualization to connect with her creative muse. The process reveals how childhood messages about our abilities create lasting barriers to creative expression—barriers that can be gently dismantled through mindfulness and self-compassion. You'll witness firsthand how confronting the vulnerable parts of ourselves that fear criticism can lead to profound creative breakthroughs.
Beyond the emotional journey, this episode delivers practical wisdom for writers at every stage. Learn how to structure feedback requests from beta readers, recognize the difference between helpful editors and harmful critics, and understand why trying to please everyone ultimately dilutes your authentic voice. Lisa's insight that "great writing moves us emotionally—it's transformative, it's cathartic" redefines success beyond technical perfection.
Whether you're struggling with a book manuscript, seeking to unleash your creative potential, or simply curious about the intersection of mindfulness and creativity, this conversation offers both inspiration and actionable techniques. Connect with your own creative source through breathwork, visualization, and the courage to trust your unique voice. Your creative muse is waiting—are you ready to meet it?
Find Lisa Tener here: https://www.lisatener.com/
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NatNat (00:00):
Welcome to the Lift One Self podcast, where we break
mental health stigmas throughconversations.
I'm your host, nat Nat, and wedive into topics about trauma
and how it impacts the nervoussystem.
Yet we don't just leave youthere.
We share insights and tools ofself-care, meditation and growth
(00:21):
that help you be curious aboutyour own biology.
Your presence matters.
Please like and subscribe toour podcast.
Help our community grow.
Let's get into this.
Oh, and please remember to bekind to yourself.
Lisa Tenner (00:36):
I'm your host, nat Nat, and today we have a
wonderful guest that she's goingto bring me through a process
for myself.
So I'm going to be a littlevulnerable and transparent in
this podcast.
Yet by putting myself out there, she may have services and
gifts that you will be able toaccess and work with her.
So, lisa Tenor is with us.
(00:59):
So, lisa, could you introduceyourself to the listeners and
let me and them know a littlebit about yourself?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Absolutely.
You know, writing has alwaysbeen so.
I'm Lisa Tenner and I'm a bookcoach, and writing has always
been a key part of my life.
It was definitely a part of mychildhood, and yet I was kind of
a slow reader, I think.
I was somewhat dyslexic, and Ikind of felt the message.
(01:29):
I think, like society-wise andmy parents maybe too like you
have to do something that'spractical.
So I went to MIT can't get morepractical than that but I was
not a very good programmer,which is kind of the field that
I chose and, you know, realizedlike it was kind of a struggle,
(01:50):
I didn't enjoy it, I wasn'tfantastic at it, I could kind of
squeak by.
But I discovered other things inmy first job, that a lot of it
was teaching and creatingclasses which I loved, and
creating classes which I loved.
And eventually, though, likeyou, I came to a healing crisis
that really opened my world andin this healing from a chronic
(02:14):
illness, discovered well, wentback to journaling, which I'd
been doing as a child, anddiscovered how healing writing
can be, and eventually ended upco-authoring a book, the
Ultimate Guide to TransformingAnger that was published by HCI,
and we sold over 20,000 copiesand got me into the publishing
(02:35):
field, I quickly realizedteaching about anger was not
much fun and I really wanted tohelp people get in the creative
zone and write.
And I thought I'd be acreativity coach.
But people kept coming to mefor help with their books.
So eventually I realized, oh,I'm a book coach and I was on
the faculty of Harvard MedicalSchool's CMA publishing course
(02:57):
for over a dozen years andhelped a lot of doctors,
therapists, healers to write andpublish their books.
But I also work with a lot ofcoaches, entrepreneurs, moms,
visionaries, spiritual folks soa whole variety of people and
many have traditionallypublished.
I've helped them with bookproposals and also many have
(03:20):
self-published and won awards,and I've done both actually.
So my last two books wereself-published and won a bunch
of awards and we've got thelet's see if I do this right the
Joy of Writing Journal Sparkyour Creativity in Eight Minutes
a Day and then Breathe, Write,Breathe 18 Energizing Practices
to Spark your Writing and Freeyour Voice.
(03:42):
So it's been a wonderfuljourney and I love helping
people get in that creative flow, figure out, if they do wanna
write a book, what that bookwould be, but they can also
write other things and justlearn to get in flow with
breathing, which I know you love.
And other mindful practices canbe movement oriented too.
That help us really get in ourbodies and get in that flow
(04:07):
where it just comes, and it'sour best stuff.
Lisa Tenner (04:11):
Well, I'm looking forward to this conversation
because I am personally investedin this, because I am in the
process of writing a book, whichI have said for many years, so
this is like I'm using a lot ofexcuses so I'd like to you know,
walk through your process tosee where my muse is and what
actually the blockages are, so Ican, you know, walk through
(04:33):
that fear and feel it.
So, before we get in and Iactually have some other
questions that I want to pose toyou to see what your
perspective is Before we startwould you join me in a mindful
moment so we can groundourselves?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I would love to.
Lisa Tenner (04:48):
Okay, and for the listeners, as you always hear,
safety first.
Please do not close your eyes.
Yet the other prompts you'reable to follow through.
So, lisa, I'll ask you to getcomfortable in your seating and,
if it's safe to do so, you'regoing to gently close your eyes
and you're going to beginbreathing in and out through
(05:08):
your nose and you're going tobring your awareness to watching
your breath go in and outthrough your nose.
You're not going to try andcontrol your breath, you're just
going to be aware of it,allowing the rhythm to guide you
into your body.
There may be some feelings orsensations coming up, and that's
(05:32):
okay.
You're safe to feel.
You're safe to let go,surrender the need to control,
release the need to resist andjust be.
NatNat (05:48):
Be with your breath, drop deeper into your body.
Lisa Tenner (05:54):
Now some thoughts or to-do lists may have popped
up, and that's okay.
Gently, bring your awarenessback to your breath, creating
space between the awareness andthoughts and dropping deeper
into your body allowing yourselfto just be Again.
NatNat (06:17):
More thoughts may have popped up.
Gently bring your awarenessback to your breath.
Gently bringing your awarenessback to your breath, beginning
again, creating even more spacebetween the awareness and the
thoughts and dropping deeperinto your body, being in the
(06:38):
space of just being, being awareof the rhythm of your breath,
that it might have changed,being aware of sensations now,
at your own time and at your ownpace.
Lisa Tenner (06:58):
you're going to gently open your eyes while
staying with your breath.
How's your heart doing?
Feels good, feels open.
We don't recognize sometimeswhere two minutes of pausing and
just doing a check-in withourselves allows us to really
see where we are in our mentalstate, in our body, physicals,
(07:20):
and be present in the moment.
A lot of us are to-do lists andcarry on in thoughts and
everything else.
We don't realize how itdistracts us from the present
moment.
So when you were talking, yousaid like MIT and you dropped
Harvard, these are no easyinstitutes to get into.
Yet you had said that you hadsome difficulty with writing
(07:43):
when you were younger.
When did you?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
recognize like fully and start trusting yourself like
I need to change the trajectoryand path of my life.
You know, in a way, the realchange in trajectory, I think,
came with that illness.
So like 10 years, no more than10 years out of college, no more
than 10 years out of collegeand I had chronic fatigue.
(08:14):
So I was really searching forsolutions and I found that the
allopathic healing really hadnothing to offer me except, well
, you could take a very lowdosage of an antidepressant, and
for some people it helps a bit,but as soon as you stop taking
it you're back where you startedand I thought, okay, that's not
a cure and I'm going for a cure, and I felt really confident
(08:34):
that that was going to happen.
So I just searched and I foundpolarity therapy.
I did other things too thatwere helpful, but that was
probably the most helpfulbecause it is an energetic and
very holistic system.
So there's some yoga in thereand there's nutritional things
and there's kind of thatinternal dialogue with different
(08:56):
aspects of ourself, and thenthere's the body work, body work
.
So it was a really beautifulprocess and it helped me so much
I decided to study it, notbecause I thought, oh, I'm going
to become a healer, but Ireally wanted to understand it
more because it was somind-blowing and that really was
an introduction to a spirituallife.
(09:17):
I think I'd found moments ofthat deep connection in nature
and moments of it throughcreativity and certainly through
writing, especially poetry, butit was really that work that
opened me to a spiritual life.
My father was veryanti-religion and super anxious
(09:41):
and my mother was fairly anxious.
I think there was a lot oftrauma Holocaust, trauma,
programs, trauma, so a lot ofyou know kind of different
trauma.
I think maybe almost everybodyhas trauma in the ancestral
field, but you know there was.
So there wasn't like anopenness.
I think I think my mother foundher spiritual.
(10:02):
So there wasn't like anopenness.
I think I think my mother foundher spiritual nourishment in
painting.
She was a watercolor painterbut I really didn't find it
until I found polarity therapyand I think I found it in
moments right, but really kindof dropped into it then so I
want to ask you said that youhave a process that you help
walk through people.
Lisa Tenner (10:22):
Is this in the Breathe Right Breathe book, this
process?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It's actually in both books.
Yeah, both books have QR codes.
Let me show you real quick.
But both books have QR codesthat you can scan with your
phone and it's like getting aworkshop in a book, you know, or
even like a long retreat, wherein each chapter there's some
practice and a breathe, rightbreathe.
(10:47):
Especially.
Every chapter there's either avideo or an audio meditation
that takes you into a practiceand then afterwards a whole lot
of prompts that connect.
There's also stories in it too,but it really helps you kind of
tap into that creativity withease you kind of tap into that
(11:07):
creativity with ease.
Lisa Tenner (11:07):
So, as I said, I've been in the process of trying
to write.
I've been writing, yet mydifficulty is the structure and
feeling that I'm writing.
Yet is it writing in the waythat other people would be
interested?
Or am I just writing just towrite, so that becomes
conflicting where I'm writing?
(11:28):
And I know that when I speakwith people they're like you
make everything so simplified,However it's like.
But a book still needs to beengaging so that the listeners
can really see themselves andfeel like it's something that's
digestible and relatable.
And so if you'd be willing towork with me right now and walk
me through a process just to seewhere my muse is, and just help
(11:54):
me right now, Okay, great, andso I'm just writing a few notes.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
So when we go into it , I have my notes.
So a couple things I want tosay, you know, before we go into
it is just to say, you know,you have actually had beta
readers read parts of your bookand give you great, you know,
give you very positive feedback.
Know, these people love me andthey, you know, want to tell me
(12:26):
that it's good, right, and theyalso, like, have this
predisposition to love itbecause they hear your voice in
it, right, all of that.
So, a couple things you know.
One is that you can ask thequestions in different ways,
right.
So, giving your beta readers ashort list and it would be good
for the list to start withsomething really positive what
did you love, what did you likeand what do you want more of?
(12:48):
So that gives them thatopportunity right away to give
you all the stuff they love, andthen there's a little space for
them to give you any morecritical feedback and you'll
feel better and they'll feelbetter, right, because it's all
the stuff they love.
And then, okay, and what didyou know, what did you want more
of?
So that's like getting a littlebit more critical but not
(13:08):
really right.
It's what they want more of.
But then you know, where did youget bored or confused?
And those are really goodquestions and it's not as loaded
right.
It's like what didn't you like?
Where did you get bored, wheredid you get confused?
So they're looking for thoseplaces now where they get bored
or confused.
That'll be really helpful.
(13:29):
And then just a general whatelse do you want me to know?
If you give them too manyquestions, they'll just be
overwhelmed.
So that's really pretty much it.
I wouldn't ask much more thanthat, unless there are specific
things you want them to look for.
Or can you read you know thisparagraph and let me know I
don't think it flows right.
You know something like that,but when you find out where
they're bored or confused,you're going to find out what's
(13:50):
not working.
So that might be really helpfulin getting that deeper beta
reader feedback.
But also having an editor isreally helpful, because an
editor is going to be able tosay okay, I want you to go
deeper.
So here are some questions toanswer right, like here's how to
go deeper.
And you know even somebodywho's written a lot of books I
(14:12):
had actually three different.
This book.
This book was super fast, liketook less than a year to write
and actually like the big, thebones of it were written in just
a few days.
And then you know, then I kindof worked and worked it, worked
it.
But this book I took a longtime.
This other book came in themiddle of it and I had three
(14:34):
different editors at differenttimes because my needs were
different in those spaces.
So working with editors can bereally helpful to get your best
writing out, because they knowthe anatomy of writing, they
know the things that will reallymake it work, where a reader
will know some things butthey're not going to be able to
maybe take you to the same placeas an editor.
(14:56):
So at some point it's reallyhelpful to work with an editor
or coach or somebody who doesboth.
So those are like a couple ofthings just on the you know,
kind of more practical levelthat I want to offer you and
your listeners.
But then let's also see whatyour inner muse, your creative
source, has to say about it,because that's the practice that
(15:18):
we're going to do is a guidedvisualization to connect with
your muse.
And definitely, you know, whenyou're saying, structure and
flow like those are importanttoo, and that's a reader might
be able to help you a littlewith that, but that's where I
think an editor or coach isgoing to be especially helpful
with structure.
But your muse can help too, sowe'll ask your muse if there's
(15:41):
something about structure thatis going to be helpful right now
.
And the other thing I hope it'sokay to mention, but before we
got in the podcast interview,you did mention, I think,
something about confidence,right, and not feeling confident
.
So that is really key and youknow, everybody has that, almost
(16:01):
everybody.
There are probably people whodon't, but even the people who
seem to have at least like thosesuper confident people,
especially if they'renarcissists, they actually have
it in spades, right.
They really have underneaththis lack of confidence, right,
or some kind of vulnerability.
So it's really important tointeract with that aspect and
(16:25):
see what does it have to teachus?
And, uh, by going deeper withit, you're always going to find
gifts, right, and again, yourbook is largely about those
gifts, that that we get when wego deeper and um, and also, uh,
more clarity about what you needto feel that confidence, and
(16:48):
sometimes even the muse willjust like give you something
energetically in that momentthat's like, oh, I can feel it
and that can really help too.
So let's see what the muse hasto say.
If I have your permission to gothere, you do.
Lisa Tenner (17:02):
I just want to.
What's clearly coming throughfor me right now is always
needing a sense of validation,because when I was in school, in
my elementary classes, I wasalways told that I was stupid
and that I wasn't putting effortand don't go into writing.
(17:24):
So I understand that, a reallydeep ingrained belief system and
I I know it.
Yet viscerally in my body, Iknow there's still defense
mechanisms of believing that.
So as soon as you said, like Istill look for that validation,
it's like it's not good enough,like you're just saying that
(17:44):
because you want to appease me.
Yet those questions that you'vejust posted gave to the
listeners, those are things thatI asked them to look for and
they did give me back feedbackof I didn't understand this,
this wasn't clear.
Can you change that?
So, and still for me thatconfidence of why would they,
(18:06):
you know, tell you thatsomething that isn't of value
and whatnot?
So I understand that a lot ofit is the ingrained belief
systems and that wound withinmyself of not feeling worthy in
the validation.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, because of course, like in wanting to
support you, especially when yougive them questions like you
did especially if you gave themthe opportunities first to say
what they love, then most peopleare going to be able to say,
okay, it's going to be helpfulwho really find it hard to do
that and that's okay.
But I'm sure you got it soundslike you got a balance of
feedback.
So that's good to know writing.
(19:06):
We're usually not taught whatreally makes great writing.
You know, and we might betaught.
You know kind of that sort offormula about proving something
in an essay and that's notreally great writing.
Great writing moves usemotionally.
Great writing is transformative, it's cathartic, it changes
something within us.
Right, it might move us toaction and to more change and
(19:31):
healing, and so that's reallygreat writing.
So great writing reallyconnects us with emotion.
It connects us with sensorydetail that makes things come
alive, and we're not taught thatin school or if we are, we're
taught it at usually a fairlysurface, superficial level.
(19:53):
And so you know, it's actuallynot your fault if your writing
wasn't that good, because itprobably was partly due to that
really not learning what reallymakes good writing and not
having a teacher who reallyasked the right questions to
help you go deeper, because theydidn't really have that right.
And also, you know, society hasgiven us so many ways to feel
(20:17):
muddled or confused or toprotect ourselves from knowing,
and if we protect ourselves toomuch, we're not going to write
that.
Well, right, we have to bewilling to go to those
uncomfortable places in ourwriting, even if we end up not
sharing those parts.
We have to be willing to gothere, and then we can always
say this part I'm comfortablesharing, this part I'm not, for
whatever reasons, might beprotecting someone else, but
(20:41):
giving yourself the space to sayit on the page and decide later
what you're going to share ornot share.
So that's also a reallypowerful piece.
But we're not taught that andthere's so many directives not
to do that right, don't feel so.
You know that's going to comeinto play too, and sometimes you
want to just journal aboutwhat's coming up or what's in
(21:05):
the way, so that you can godeeper with your writing.
So, yeah, so that's anotherexercise you can give yourself.
Thank you, okay.
So now we had a lot of talk.
You ready to meet your muse?
Yes, excellent.
So I'm going to invite you nowand for listeners, you may just
(21:26):
want to listen and experiencewhat it's like to kind of be the
observer in this right, butalso feel free to look for where
you might have a similarexperience, like oh yeah, the
music is saying this and I thinkI need to do that too, right,
so you know, see, there might besome armchair healing for you
(21:50):
here, or armchair transformationor something to explore, and I
will give you the link to whereyou can do this exercise on your
own.
Sometimes it is more helpful todo it with somebody because
there's a safety in that andalso that person especially some
value doing it on your own.
(22:12):
Just listening to the moregeneral Meet your Muse guided
visualization, so I will sharethat.
So it's something people canlisten to later and try it
(22:35):
themselves.
Lisa Tenner (22:37):
And for the listeners.
Just let you know I'm veryvulnerable and I'm scared
because I'm like what's going tocome up and what's going to be
said, yet I know that it's justthe fear that's, you know,
blocking the vulnerability.
So this is what the work lookslike of being transparent and
willing to be honest withyourself.
So I'm looking forward to this.
(22:58):
So I'm all yours, lisa.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Okay, and I also want to say you're in charge.
So if at some point I ask aquestion and what the muse is
saying feels like you know what,this is a piece I don't want to
share.
You know you can say that ofcourse you can edit this too,
but you know it's important, Ithink, if you're going deep, to
really feel safe.
So just know, you know you cansay you know what.
Lisa Tenner (23:26):
I don't want to ask that question of my muse.
I think I'm going to be mindfulenough.
We won't go there, but I can gothere.
I'm fine.
I understand safety.
I just said that.
So cause a lot of people willlook at me and perceive me as
strength and I don't have anyfears or I don't have this, and
because of the work of spaceholding for others, they'll
forget.
Like I'm human too and I havemy own processes.
So I just want to make it morerelatable that it just we can
perceive something, and I'mhuman too and I have my own
processes.
So I just want to make it morerelatable that it just we can
(23:47):
perceive something, and I'm justgiving a little bit of detail
of what's going on internally.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's really helpful.
And you know I'll say that,having helped hundreds of people
write and publish their booksand having done several books
myself, I still feel thatvulnerability too and there are
points where I think why am Iwriting this?
Who's going to read it?
Or I'm not an expert onwhatever it is I'm writing about
(24:16):
now, especially if it's notwriting.
That questioning doesn't goaway, but it's how we process it
.
So thank you for modeling thatfor everyone.
Okay, ready.
So I invite you to getcomfortable in your seat and
feel your feet on the floor,allow your back to gently
straighten, your spine to gentlystraighten not super straight,
(24:37):
you know just what's comfortablystraight, neck lengthened,
perhaps, and chin tucked, andyou might even want to smile or
just feel your whole bodyrelaxing.
And we'll take a deep breathinto your belly and you might
want to release with a sound ora sigh, Ah, and again breathing
(25:01):
in and releasing any tensionaround these issues or
challenges, around writing yourbook and expressing yourself and
really bringing your voice outthere in the world in a big way
(25:30):
releasing.
You can imagine just lettingthat tension go down through
your body, through your legs andfeet, and deep into the earth
for composting.
And now I'd like you to breathein again and, as you exhale,
imagine that you're walkingalong a path in a meadow.
You're going to meet your musein the woods, where your muse is
waiting, and as you walk thismeadow path, just notice what
(25:52):
you see or hear or feel or smellor sense.
Lisa Tenner (25:57):
I'm feeling flowers and greenery.
The path has some rocks andsand.
I can smell the ocean.
I see pink flowers to my leftand I see insects or something
on the side to my right, whilesome of the bush is high up to
(26:19):
my waist.
Yet there's this little paththat's been carved because
people have walked it and I justfeel the moistness of the
vegetation, the greenery,beautiful.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
See the beach in front of you and as you get
closer to the beach, notice whatchanges Is there?
A change in temperature?
A change in there's?
Lisa Tenner (26:43):
openness there's openness and there's more winds,
yet, feeling the sun more, yetthere's just this vast openness
that's felt.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Wonderful.
So now you're let me know whenyou're on the beach.
I'm on there, okay, and theremay be some place that your muse
is meeting you, like it couldbe a little cottage on the beach
, but it may also just be like alog that your muse is sitting
on, or your muse might bestanding by the water, so just
(27:17):
look around and your muse canshow up.
Anyway, it can be symbolic.
Lisa Tenner (27:22):
It can be a blanket .
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Okay, so go towards that blanket and is the blanket
your muse?
Or is your muse showing up onthe blanket, or what do you
notice?
Lisa Tenner (27:34):
I feel an image on the blanket waiting for me.
And it's not a tangible, like Isee a silhouette, yet it's not
a concrete, like physical person.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, beautiful, yet it's not a concrete like
physical person yeah, beautiful.
So maybe just ask inside, youknow, to that image you're
seeing, that silhouette, thatenergy, that's not, you know,
concrete.
Are you, my muse?
Are you here to help me withthese questions?
I have?
Yeah, they said, yeah, great.
(28:07):
So let's start actually withthat confidence piece and let
your muse know that you know yougot all these messages that
you're not a writer and evenwhen you're getting positive
feedback from your beta readers,it's hard to trust it.
What does your muse want you toknow about that that they
(28:29):
understand how I'm feeling, yetit's not the truth.
Can you take that in that you'renot a writer?
It's not the truth.
I am.
Lisa Tenner (28:40):
Yeah.
So now ask your muse, what isthe truth then?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
If that's, not the truth, what is the truth then?
If that's not the truth, whatis the truth that there's?
Lisa Tenner (28:46):
wholeness, that there's worthiness, that there's
delight and that I'm amazingjust the way I am and ask your
muse am I a writer?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
they said yeah, so let's take all of that in that.
You're amazing that you're awriter.
All the things your muse said,take it in.
So how do you feel now in termsof needing validation?
Lisa Tenner (29:10):
being in this presence.
It's like a part of that musefeels like it's a part of me
that's been outside of me thatwants to integrate into me,
because as soon as I was aroundthat presence the tears came up
and that vulnerability felt theempowerment and it's like I've
just been waiting for you to letme be in, if that makes sense
(29:36):
oh, that's really beautiful.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
How do you feel about inviting that part of you to
really merge and maybe ask thatpart of you is there a
particular chakra, a particularplace in your body it wants to
enter through?
Lisa Tenner (29:49):
It's through my stomach, it wants to come in.
Okay, right at the top.
NatNat (29:57):
Right at the top of your stomach.
Solar plexus.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
So how do you feel about really inviting that part
of you to come in through yoursolar plexus and merge?
I am Beautiful, so I'm going tolet you stay with that, and you
just tell me when that feelscomplete.
Lisa Tenner (30:16):
It's in there and I still can feel the doubt of my
perception of oh, this is allnice and good, Yet you'll still
get hurt, You'll still have pain, you're still not that good
(30:38):
that not good enough feeling andsensation.
Yet that energy of the muse isstaying in there and not coming
out.
It's being in there andsettling.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
So just notice that part of you that's saying you
know there's going to be pain,it needs to protect you.
You're still not good enough,and that aspect of you that
you've just invited in thattells you you're amazing, that
you're a writer and that wantsto be integrated.
And just notice those two partsyou know they're two parts of
(31:08):
you and try to just notice themwithout judgment, without having
to do something necessarily.
Just be with them for a fewmoments and again you can tell
me what's going on, if thatfeels right, or you can be
silent if that's what is neededthat feels right, or you can be
(31:30):
silent if that's what is needed.
NatNat (31:31):
I can feel the two frequencies of them.
Lisa Tenner (31:32):
There's like and it's funny, the muse is like a
dark, shadowy entity, not in aum, a frightening way just as a
powerful way of understanding it.
It's fluidity and movement andit's very faint, yet very
prevalent of its frequency andthe part of the nervous system
(31:55):
that doesn't feel good enough,just as this moving vibration in
it and I can feel the two ofthem like coexisting with each
other, where there's one partthat has one frequency and the
other part is just a solidfrequency.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I'm just going to share briefly.
Normally I wouldn't necessarilydo this, but because we have
listeners, I feel moved to saythat, you know, dark is
associated with the feminine,it's associated with mystery,
it's associated with that placeof creation that's before
creation, right, the void, andwe're scared of it often.
So it's not surprising in someways that your muse, like this,
(32:39):
is a powerful muse that shows upas a dark energy and might even
be somewhat associated and Idon't want to project that onto
you, but just if it feels right,might even be associated with
the void before creation, thatspace that allows creation.
So that's a powerful muse, ifthat is what we're connecting
(33:01):
with, which sounds to me.
So just ask your muse what'sneeded right now?
Is this something you canprocess offline later, or do you
need to stay with this a littlelonger?
Um, what?
What do we need right now?
Lisa Tenner (33:15):
the word believe the word believe within myself
is prevalent and I've done acertain process so long that I'm
staying plateaued there and nowI have to release and walk
through and just believe in thepath that's not seen yet.
(33:39):
Trust trust in my abilities andtrust in the guidance, and
trust in the guidance, andthere's a very that muse entity
is just very confident of trust.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
It just trusts that's all, Just trust.
It's funny, as you speak, I'mlooking at your sign that says
breathe and I almost wonder ifyou want to add believe or trust
below it as a new word toreally embrace.
So we kind of went to thedeepest part first.
And I almost wonder what's that, as I always do, yes, yeah, so
(34:26):
does it feel right to ask someof these more surfacy questions,
or does it feel, like you know,just honor, that we went so
deep and let this settle beforeasking the other questions?
Lisa Tenner (34:36):
Like what does your muse want?
It's open.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Okay, all right.
So you know you had a questionabout structure and flow.
Is there anything your musewants you to know at this moment
about the structure of the bookright now, and if there's
something particular needed?
Or does your muse just want youto get some support from an
(35:03):
editor or coach?
Or does your muse have somesuggestions right now of we'll
do this and this and thestructure will flow better?
What does your muse say?
Lisa Tenner (35:12):
The word overanalyzing is prevalent, and
it's also stating you have to bevulnerable to ask for the help.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Can you connect with that part that feels like I
can't ask for help, or thatdoesn't feel safe or I'm not
going to get the right help orwhatever it is that's going on,
like what's going on aboutgetting help?
That?
Lisa Tenner (35:37):
I'll be ridiculed or rejected and told it's not
good enough and the idea that Ihave, or the feeling and
sensation of trusting that, willbe bursted because it will be
ridiculed.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
So that's actually really important information.
Again, I'm going to do somethings I wouldn't normally do in
this exercise.
I would wait till later, but Ithink for your listeners it'll
be helpful, and I'm not sureI'll remember to say it later.
So that part of you that'ssaying I'll be ridiculed, that's
a really important part thatwants to protect you.
And you know what?
There are editors out there whowill tear things apart, who are
(36:13):
not going to tell you whatyou're doing right.
They're just going to tell youwhat they see as wrong.
My husband was talking aboutthis Pilates instructor.
He tried two differentinstructors just to see who he
liked better.
And one is like oh yes, you'redoing this right.
She's always telling him whathe's doing right and then she'll
give him some specificinstruction that's going to help
(36:34):
him do it even better.
And the other one is like, no,no, you're doing it all wrong
and she tells him what to dowithout actually showing him or
going into the detail.
And it's you know, it's worsethan useless, right, it actually
hurts.
So your inner protectivemechanisms are actually going to
(36:55):
be really helpful in findingthe right editor or coach,
because you know you want togive yourself permission to say,
oh, this is not the person forme, and there'll be red flags
immediately.
I think you could probably evenfeel energetically when
somebody is a critic and they'renot actually helpful.
And sometimes we hire peoplelike that because they remind us
(37:16):
of a critical parent or acritical teacher we had.
They're kind of you know,there's a part of us that wants
to complete that cycle and healit, but that's not going to be
the person you want to work withon your book, right?
Actually, firing them or nothiring them in the first place
would be the healing instinct.
(37:39):
So I feel quite confident thatyou're going to be able to find
the right person and you knowyou can see how that feels in
your body Like, oh yeah, maybe Ican find.
Like there are people out therewho are going to be wrong, but
I'm going to know who they areand I'm going to know who's
right and then, if I turn out tobe wrong about that, I'll fire
(38:02):
them.
Right, like, just allowyourself that permission to fire
somebody who's not good for you, or that permission to say, oh,
you know, I thought I was goingto hire you and I'm not sorry,
right, so just like, notice thatand then ask the muse what does
the muse want you to know aboutthis?
Lisa Tenner (38:20):
That the part that gets personalized.
It's just simply I'm notfeeling my deep vulnerability
and everybody's going to have aperception.
Just because somebody doesn'tagree with me, it doesn't mean
that I'm wrong or they're right.
(38:42):
It's just at times we see thingsin a different way, mm-hmm so
it's being able to mature thepart that feels so inferior when
I get something wrong or thatit doesn't align with somebody
else, that I can gently justrelease that and recognize okay,
that's okay, yet not have toprove or not have to minimize
(39:05):
myself because it feels socrippling and debilitating that
something was rejected bysomebody.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yeah, so, again, I'm going to step out of this like
guiding role for a minute toteach something because I think
it'll be helpful to yourlisteners, but you stay with
your process.
But and it might be helpful toyou too is I used to have a
money coach, actually, who wouldsay let your freak flag fly.
And she said if you're notrepelling people, you're not
(39:36):
doing a good job.
And you know I think that'strue Like our people recognize
us as oh, she's for me, he's forme, they're for me.
They recognize this is somebodywho has something to teach me.
This is somebody who is goingto be a good guide for me and a
(39:56):
healthy guide for me.
And if you are, if and they'regoing to be people where it's
just not a match, it's not evenlike they're.
They're a bad guide, right.
It's more like they're not foryou.
You as a guide now, right?
And who's writing this bookabout healing?
There are going to be peoplewho resonate with that message
(40:18):
and resonate with the steps youtook, and there are going to be
people who need their lessons ina different way or they need
different lessons, and so it'sgood to repel those people
because actually you probablycan't help them.
They're not like you're the wayyou're offering the message.
It's not really the way they'remade up.
They have a different makeupand they have a different way of
(40:40):
learning things.
So it's actually great whenyou're repelling people because
it's like, okay, I'm reallyauthentic in my voice and some
people know right away this isfor me, and other people know,
oh, this is not for me.
So it's actually a great thingto be repelling some people.
It's like a message that, oh,you're probably on target unless
you're repelling everybody.
And then you know, then there'sa question to ask yourself.
(41:03):
But I'm sure that's not thecase with you, given the
feedback you told me you'realready getting.
Lisa Tenner (41:10):
Yeah, and I also there's a message coming up for
me that I'm trying to write to acertain people to convince them
.
Where the muse is like, let goof that you're.
You're needing to write for thepeople that need it.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, you know, that's and that's like such a
lesson in life that when we'retrying to convince people, we're
not really meeting them Like asequals, we're not really
meeting them in a fully open way.
And so it is an invitation fromyour muse to drop in deeper and
(41:49):
meet people in that place ofyou're open, they're mirroring
that and they're open, and it'san invitation, right?
So let's just see, is thereanything else your muse wants
you to know before we bring thisprocess to a close?
Lisa Tenner (42:06):
I feel irritation of being stuck somewhere where
it's like why are you still here?
Like not being seated fully inthe power, so your muse is
irritated with you, or it'ssomething like irritation, yeah
(42:27):
like a little bit of annoyance,like it's it's patient, yet it's
like you're stuck somewherethat you don't need to be yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
So ask your muse, like, does it have a little key
to give you to turn, that youknow unlock that door, or does
it have some practice that wantsyou to try?
Lisa Tenner (42:46):
or I just get the message that I have to step into
it.
No one can do this for me.
It's I have to step into it andwhat is stepping into it.
Look like, um, accepting myselfand just revealing the
teachings and the gifts, andtrusting.
(43:06):
Just take action and no longerhide behind closed doors.
Allow yourself to be open andexposed.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
So what goes on inside you when you hear those
words?
It's truth.
Lisa Tenner (43:20):
And then I search for the part that's trying to
hold me back, so that I can meetit and let it know that it's
safe.
Yet parts of me then scream ofthe pain that I've experienced
in life and not wanting that tohappen again.
Yet I also meet it with yeteverything that we've
(43:42):
experienced.
We're still here withresilience and capacity.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Beautiful.
So do you want to stay?
This is something that is goingto take some time.
You're probably going to wantto return to this space of that
internal dialogue and thatinternal integration, and there
might even be some symbolic act,like you might find a rock on
(44:12):
the beach, something you want tolike place near your place
where you write.
So does your muse have aparticular sort of ritual or
symbolic thing it would like youto play with?
To stay with this process?
Lisa Tenner (44:28):
There's a rock that I have that I use and it's a
smooth rock that was given to me.
So whenever I feel ungrounded,it's feeling that and rubbing it
and getting back in my body andallowing that creativity and
reflection to come out.
So it's interesting you said arock, because I do have a rock,
(44:50):
sorry.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
So let's stay with this another moment because I
like to guide people.
To just see if you have anymore questions for your muse
before we end.
Lisa Tenner (44:59):
Oh, it's integrated in Great oh beautiful.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
So thank your muse and know that you can come back
here at any time.
So thank your muse and knowthat you can come back here at
any time.
When you're ready, you can exitthe way you came back onto that
path.
So, leaving the beach, goingonto that path through the
bushes and the flowers, backinto that meadow, and, whenever
(45:23):
you're ready, you can open youreyes.
So if you want to say anything,you're welcome.
Lisa Tenner (45:29):
Very powerful, very vulnerable, as you create a
space of safety, of inquiring.
Yet you also gave informationBecause I've done the work, so
it's more easier for me to bevulnerable and speak my process.
Yet as soon as I saw the darkimage and saw it, it was like,
okay, I feel it this way, butother people might interpret it
(45:52):
a different way.
And having that information offeminine in the dark void, the
way I go so deep with peoplesome of them they're like, okay,
I'm drowning with you, Like Idon't know how deep, like you,
and I've been told that most ofmy life that I think very deeply
and some of it I'm like this isbeyond what I can grasp in my
(46:16):
lived experience as a human,that there's just a knowing in
creation and whatnot so and justthe openness of asking
questions.
And, like I said, I was tearingup and I could feel the
vulnerability, so the power ofthat, and I could feel my
nervous system in my legsringing.
(46:38):
So it was like the integrationand the feeling and being honest
.
So it's a beautiful process ofvisualizing, yet being in your
body, of really asking yourselfsome really deep questions, that
it's hard to be honest withourselves, it's difficult to be
truthful, especially when wehave these protective mechanisms
(47:01):
that are ingrained in us.
Yet once we can allow safety,as you started this process,
there's such a powerful honestyin that it doesn't mean
everything goes away, like I it,as I said, it's like, yeah,
it's, it's great that you feelthis and you know this.
Yet it's just walking this pathof change now and to doing you
(47:25):
know, one moment at a time, ofchoosing differently.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah, and braiding, you know it's associated with
self-expression right Throatchakra if we want to go to the
energetics and with creativity,so second chakra and you know,
and other things too, but Ithink especially those two areas
.
And so you know, if we have somechallenges in those areas,
(47:53):
that's going to kind of force usto work with that right and to
see, well, what's there and tomove through it and maybe
overcome or heal some aspectsfrom the past or even aspects
from the ancestral field.
You know that we've inherited.
It's part of the work and Ialso know that, especially when
(48:17):
somebody is working on a bookthat goes deep right or is about
healing, the book is going toforce you to go back to that
territory where you're veryvulnerable, so that you can
remember what it's like and youcan write to your readers from
that place of knowing again likethat vulnerability or that fear
(48:40):
.
And so it helps you writebetter because you're meeting
them where they are, becauseyou're really remembering like,
oh yeah, this is what this islike.
So you write a book on anger,you're going to get angry, and
if you write it with co-authors,you'll get angry at each other.
You know there'll beopportunities for conflict and
healing, and that's a good thing.
Lisa Tenner (49:02):
Yeah, I want to ask you I'm mindful of time I just
want to ask you your perspectivenow that AI is here.
Do you feel that that's auseful tool for people or it
could do damage with thecreativity?
Speaker 3 (49:23):
I think AI is dangerous.
I think that I don't think it'screated from a place of like
totally helping humanity.
I think it's coming from aplace that's somewhat nefarious
and actually about taking awayour humanity, making us less
independent thinkers, lesscreative.
(49:44):
I think people are foolingthemselves and, yes, it might
save you time in the short run,but I think it is not a good
thing for humans and that if wego too far with that process, we
will end up really in danger us.
So, yeah, I think, go out innature and feel the rhythm of
(50:10):
nature, feel the connection oflife.
Ai is not life, it's somethingelse.
So my personal opinion is trustin the kind of thing we just
did Trust in your own innatecreativity.
It's so much more.
It's a totally differentfeeling when you connect with
(50:31):
your inner creativity and youheal or you overcome something.
You feel transformation that AIcan't give you that.
Lisa Tenner (50:42):
So, now that you work this whole process with me,
I'm sure many want to knowwhere they can find you, lisa,
so could you let them know yourwebsite, what your offerings are
and where they can find thebooks?
Speaker 3 (50:56):
and they can find my books on the website, but Amazon
is probably the easiest placeto buy it and write a review.
If you find it helpful and I dopractices like the one I did
(51:17):
with you, so that's if peopleare feeling well, I'm a little
stuck, I need that they canreach out to me, lisa, at
lisatennercom or there's acontact form on the website and
we can do that practice together.
I also have classes, sessionswhere we get in creative flow
with breathing and quickexercises that really get us
(51:39):
into that space of creative flow, and then we write and we set
intentions and then we write forlike 45 minutes, we do a little
bit of UNA or laser coachingand then we move back into it.
So it's a two hour thing and wedo it twice a week.
Some people come once a week,some come twice.
But if you want to get somewriting done and want support,
(51:59):
want to feel that safe space toreally explore and go deep and
write your best stuff, this is awonderful way to do that and
you also have access to all myself-study programs for writing
a book and things like that.
So for a lot of people that's agreat match.
And yeah, and then you know Ihelp with book proposals and
(52:21):
editing and things like that aswell.
So I would love to hear fromyour listeners if they are
interested in writing a book orwriting other things as well.
That bring your book sorry, getyour Writing Done program can
be for other types of writingtoo.
Lisa Tenner (52:34):
Yeah, I will definitely be reaching out to
you after this so that I can besupported and get some feedback
and everything else.
This has been an absolutedelight, lisa.
As the universe always has it,you know, things show up exactly
when you need them, and Ineeded this process to really
(52:55):
just go deeper within myself.
And I want to thank you for thealchemy.
As you said, you had a chronicfatigue and you did the alchemy.
You took those impurities andyou've turned them into gold,
yet you've not kept it foryourself.
You're sharing it with others.
So thank you for doing thatalchemy.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
Thank you, and I'm excited about your book.
I want to read it when it comesout, so, or maybe I'll get to
read it sooner, actually, right,but I look forward to that.
It sounds to me like somethingthat's so deeply needed, like
the kind of thing I wish I hadwhen I had that illness.
Lisa Tenner (53:31):
Right, please remember to be kind to yourself.
Hey, you made it all the wayhere.
I appreciate you and your time.
If you found value in thisconversation, please share it
out.
If there was somebody thatpopped into your mind, take
action and share it out.
If there was somebody thatpopped into your mind, take
action and share it out withthem.
NatNat (53:50):
It possibly may not be them that will benefit.
It's that they know somebodythat will benefit from listening
to this conversation so pleasetake action and share out the
podcast.
Lisa Tenner (54:02):
you can find us on social media, on facebook,
facebook, instagram and TikTokunder Lift One Self, and if you
want to inquire about the workthat I do and the services that
I provide to people, come overon my website, come into a
discovery call liftoneselfcom.
NatNat (54:22):
Until next time, please remember to be kind and gentle
with yourself.
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Lisa Tenner (00:36):
I'm your host, nat Nat, and today we have a
wonderful guest that she's goingto bring me through a process
for myself.
So I'm going to be a littlevulnerable and transparent in
this podcast.
Yet by putting myself out there, she may have services and
gifts that you will be able toaccess and work with her.
So, lisa Tenor is with us.
(00:59):
So, lisa, could you introduceyourself to the listeners and
let me and them know a littlebit about yourself?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Absolutely.
You know, writing has alwaysbeen so.
I'm Lisa Tenner and I'm a bookcoach, and writing has always
been a key part of my life.
It was definitely a part of mychildhood, and yet I was kind of
a slow reader, I think.
I was somewhat dyslexic, and Ikind of felt the message.
(01:29):
I think, like society-wise andmy parents maybe too like you
have to do something that'spractical.
So I went to MIT can't get morepractical than that but I was
not a very good programmer,which is kind of the field that
I chose and, you know, realizedlike it was kind of a struggle,
(01:50):
I didn't enjoy it, I wasn'tfantastic at it, I could kind of
squeak by.
But I discovered other things inmy first job, that a lot of it
was teaching and creatingclasses which I loved, and
creating classes which I loved.
And eventually, though, likeyou, I came to a healing crisis
that really opened my world andin this healing from a chronic
(02:14):
illness, discovered well, wentback to journaling, which I'd
been doing as a child, anddiscovered how healing writing
can be, and eventually ended upco-authoring a book, the
Ultimate Guide to TransformingAnger that was published by HCI,
and we sold over 20,000 copiesand got me into the publishing
(02:35):
field, I quickly realizedteaching about anger was not
much fun and I really wanted tohelp people get in the creative
zone and write.
And I thought I'd be acreativity coach.
But people kept coming to mefor help with their books.
So eventually I realized, oh,I'm a book coach and I was on
the faculty of Harvard MedicalSchool's CMA publishing course
(02:57):
for over a dozen years andhelped a lot of doctors,
therapists, healers to write andpublish their books.
But I also work with a lot ofcoaches, entrepreneurs, moms,
visionaries, spiritual folks soa whole variety of people and
many have traditionallypublished.
I've helped them with bookproposals and also many have
(03:20):
self-published and won awards,and I've done both actually.
So my last two books wereself-published and won a bunch
of awards and we've got thelet's see if I do this right the
Joy of Writing Journal Sparkyour Creativity in Eight Minutes
a Day and then Breathe, Write,Breathe 18 Energizing Practices
to Spark your Writing and Freeyour Voice.
(03:42):
So it's been a wonderfuljourney and I love helping
people get in that creative flow, figure out, if they do wanna
write a book, what that bookwould be, but they can also
write other things and justlearn to get in flow with
breathing, which I know you love.
And other mindful practices canbe movement oriented too.
That help us really get in ourbodies and get in that flow
(04:07):
where it just comes, and it'sour best stuff.
Lisa Tenner (04:11):
Well, I'm looking forward to this conversation
because I am personally investedin this, because I am in the
process of writing a book, whichI have said for many years, so
this is like I'm using a lot ofexcuses so I'd like to you know,
walk through your process tosee where my muse is and what
actually the blockages are, so Ican, you know, walk through
(04:33):
that fear and feel it.
So, before we get in and Iactually have some other
questions that I want to pose toyou to see what your
perspective is Before we startwould you join me in a mindful
moment so we can groundourselves?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I would love to.
Lisa Tenner (04:48):
Okay, and for the listeners, as you always hear,
safety first.
Please do not close your eyes.
Yet the other prompts you'reable to follow through.
So, lisa, I'll ask you to getcomfortable in your seating and,
if it's safe to do so, you'regoing to gently close your eyes
and you're going to beginbreathing in and out through
(05:08):
your nose and you're going tobring your awareness to watching
your breath go in and outthrough your nose.
You're not going to try andcontrol your breath, you're just
going to be aware of it,allowing the rhythm to guide you
into your body.
There may be some feelings orsensations coming up, and that's
(05:32):
okay.
You're safe to feel.
You're safe to let go,surrender the need to control,
release the need to resist andjust be.
NatNat (05:48):
Be with your breath, drop deeper into your body.
Lisa Tenner (05:54):
Now some thoughts or to-do lists may have popped
up, and that's okay.
Gently, bring your awarenessback to your breath, creating
space between the awareness andthoughts and dropping deeper
into your body allowing yourselfto just be Again.
NatNat (06:17):
More thoughts may have popped up.
Gently bring your awarenessback to your breath.
Gently bringing your awarenessback to your breath, beginning
again, creating even more spacebetween the awareness and the
thoughts and dropping deeperinto your body, being in the
(06:38):
space of just being, being awareof the rhythm of your breath,
that it might have changed,being aware of sensations now,
at your own time and at your ownpace.
Lisa Tenner (06:58):
you're going to gently open your eyes while
staying with your breath.
How's your heart doing?
Feels good, feels open.
We don't recognize sometimeswhere two minutes of pausing and
just doing a check-in withourselves allows us to really
see where we are in our mentalstate, in our body, physicals,
(07:20):
and be present in the moment.
A lot of us are to-do lists andcarry on in thoughts and
everything else.
We don't realize how itdistracts us from the present
moment.
So when you were talking, yousaid like MIT and you dropped
Harvard, these are no easyinstitutes to get into.
Yet you had said that you hadsome difficulty with writing
(07:43):
when you were younger.
When did you?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
recognize like fully and start trusting yourself like
I need to change the trajectoryand path of my life.
You know, in a way, the realchange in trajectory, I think,
came with that illness.
So like 10 years, no more than10 years out of college, no more
than 10 years out of collegeand I had chronic fatigue.
(08:14):
So I was really searching forsolutions and I found that the
allopathic healing really hadnothing to offer me except, well
, you could take a very lowdosage of an antidepressant, and
for some people it helps a bit,but as soon as you stop taking
it you're back where you startedand I thought, okay, that's not
a cure and I'm going for a cure, and I felt really confident
(08:34):
that that was going to happen.
So I just searched and I foundpolarity therapy.
I did other things too thatwere helpful, but that was
probably the most helpfulbecause it is an energetic and
very holistic system.
So there's some yoga in thereand there's nutritional things
and there's kind of thatinternal dialogue with different
(08:56):
aspects of ourself, and thenthere's the body work, body work
.
So it was a really beautifulprocess and it helped me so much
I decided to study it, notbecause I thought, oh, I'm going
to become a healer, but Ireally wanted to understand it
more because it was somind-blowing and that really was
an introduction to a spirituallife.
(09:17):
I think I'd found moments ofthat deep connection in nature
and moments of it throughcreativity and certainly through
writing, especially poetry, butit was really that work that
opened me to a spiritual life.
My father was veryanti-religion and super anxious
(09:41):
and my mother was fairly anxious.
I think there was a lot oftrauma Holocaust, trauma,
programs, trauma, so a lot ofyou know kind of different
trauma.
I think maybe almost everybodyhas trauma in the ancestral
field, but you know there was.
So there wasn't like anopenness.
I think I think my mother foundher spiritual.
(10:02):
So there wasn't like anopenness.
I think I think my mother foundher spiritual nourishment in
painting.
She was a watercolor painterbut I really didn't find it
until I found polarity therapyand I think I found it in
moments right, but really kindof dropped into it then so I
want to ask you said that youhave a process that you help
walk through people.
Lisa Tenner (10:22):
Is this in the Breathe Right Breathe book, this
process?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It's actually in both books.
Yeah, both books have QR codes.
Let me show you real quick.
But both books have QR codesthat you can scan with your
phone and it's like getting aworkshop in a book, you know, or
even like a long retreat, wherein each chapter there's some
practice and a breathe, rightbreathe.
(10:47):
Especially.
Every chapter there's either avideo or an audio meditation
that takes you into a practiceand then afterwards a whole lot
of prompts that connect.
There's also stories in it too,but it really helps you kind of
tap into that creativity withease you kind of tap into that
(11:07):
creativity with ease.
Lisa Tenner (11:07):
So, as I said, I've been in the process of trying
to write.
I've been writing, yet mydifficulty is the structure and
feeling that I'm writing.
Yet is it writing in the waythat other people would be
interested?
Or am I just writing just towrite, so that becomes
conflicting where I'm writing?
(11:28):
And I know that when I speakwith people they're like you
make everything so simplified,However it's like.
But a book still needs to beengaging so that the listeners
can really see themselves andfeel like it's something that's
digestible and relatable.
And so if you'd be willing towork with me right now and walk
me through a process just to seewhere my muse is, and just help
(11:54):
me right now, Okay, great, andso I'm just writing a few notes.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
So when we go into it , I have my notes.
So a couple things I want tosay, you know, before we go into
it is just to say, you know,you have actually had beta
readers read parts of your bookand give you great, you know,
give you very positive feedback.
Know, these people love me andthey, you know, want to tell me
(12:26):
that it's good, right, and theyalso, like, have this
predisposition to love itbecause they hear your voice in
it, right, all of that.
So, a couple things you know.
One is that you can ask thequestions in different ways,
right.
So, giving your beta readers ashort list and it would be good
for the list to start withsomething really positive what
did you love, what did you likeand what do you want more of?
(12:48):
So that gives them thatopportunity right away to give
you all the stuff they love, andthen there's a little space for
them to give you any morecritical feedback and you'll
feel better and they'll feelbetter, right, because it's all
the stuff they love.
And then, okay, and what didyou know, what did you want more
of?
So that's like getting a littlebit more critical but not
(13:08):
really right.
It's what they want more of.
But then you know, where did youget bored or confused?
And those are really goodquestions and it's not as loaded
right.
It's like what didn't you like?
Where did you get bored, wheredid you get confused?
So they're looking for thoseplaces now where they get bored
or confused.
That'll be really helpful.
(13:29):
And then just a general whatelse do you want me to know?
If you give them too manyquestions, they'll just be
overwhelmed.
So that's really pretty much it.
I wouldn't ask much more thanthat, unless there are specific
things you want them to look for.
Or can you read you know thisparagraph and let me know I
don't think it flows right.
You know something like that,but when you find out where
they're bored or confused,you're going to find out what's
(13:50):
not working.
So that might be really helpfulin getting that deeper beta
reader feedback.
But also having an editor isreally helpful, because an
editor is going to be able tosay okay, I want you to go
deeper.
So here are some questions toanswer right, like here's how to
go deeper.
And you know even somebodywho's written a lot of books I
(14:12):
had actually three different.
This book.
This book was super fast, liketook less than a year to write
and actually like the big, thebones of it were written in just
a few days.
And then you know, then I kindof worked and worked it, worked
it.
But this book I took a longtime.
This other book came in themiddle of it and I had three
(14:34):
different editors at differenttimes because my needs were
different in those spaces.
So working with editors can bereally helpful to get your best
writing out, because they knowthe anatomy of writing, they
know the things that will reallymake it work, where a reader
will know some things butthey're not going to be able to
maybe take you to the same placeas an editor.
(14:56):
So at some point it's reallyhelpful to work with an editor
or coach or somebody who doesboth.
So those are like a couple ofthings just on the you know,
kind of more practical levelthat I want to offer you and
your listeners.
But then let's also see whatyour inner muse, your creative
source, has to say about it,because that's the practice that
(15:18):
we're going to do is a guidedvisualization to connect with
your muse.
And definitely, you know, whenyou're saying, structure and
flow like those are importanttoo, and that's a reader might
be able to help you a littlewith that, but that's where I
think an editor or coach isgoing to be especially helpful
with structure.
But your muse can help too, sowe'll ask your muse if there's
(15:41):
something about structure thatis going to be helpful right now
.
And the other thing I hope it'sokay to mention, but before we
got in the podcast interview,you did mention, I think,
something about confidence,right, and not feeling confident
.
So that is really key and youknow, everybody has that, almost
(16:01):
everybody.
There are probably people whodon't, but even the people who
seem to have at least like thosesuper confident people,
especially if they'renarcissists, they actually have
it in spades, right.
They really have underneaththis lack of confidence, right,
or some kind of vulnerability.
So it's really important tointeract with that aspect and
(16:25):
see what does it have to teachus?
And, uh, by going deeper withit, you're always going to find
gifts, right, and again, yourbook is largely about those
gifts, that that we get when wego deeper and um, and also, uh,
more clarity about what you needto feel that confidence, and
(16:48):
sometimes even the muse willjust like give you something
energetically in that momentthat's like, oh, I can feel it
and that can really help too.
So let's see what the muse hasto say.
If I have your permission to gothere, you do.
Lisa Tenner (17:02):
I just want to.
What's clearly coming throughfor me right now is always
needing a sense of validation,because when I was in school, in
my elementary classes, I wasalways told that I was stupid
and that I wasn't putting effortand don't go into writing.
(17:24):
So I understand that, a reallydeep ingrained belief system and
I I know it.
Yet viscerally in my body, Iknow there's still defense
mechanisms of believing that.
So as soon as you said, like Istill look for that validation,
it's like it's not good enough,like you're just saying that
(17:44):
because you want to appease me.
Yet those questions that you'vejust posted gave to the
listeners, those are things thatI asked them to look for and
they did give me back feedbackof I didn't understand this,
this wasn't clear.
Can you change that?
So, and still for me thatconfidence of why would they,
(18:06):
you know, tell you thatsomething that isn't of value
and whatnot?
So I understand that a lot ofit is the ingrained belief
systems and that wound withinmyself of not feeling worthy in
the validation.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, because of course, like in wanting to
support you, especially when yougive them questions like you
did especially if you gave themthe opportunities first to say
what they love, then most peopleare going to be able to say,
okay, it's going to be helpfulwho really find it hard to do
that and that's okay.
But I'm sure you got it soundslike you got a balance of
feedback.
So that's good to know writing.
(19:06):
We're usually not taught whatreally makes great writing.
You know, and we might betaught.
You know kind of that sort offormula about proving something
in an essay and that's notreally great writing.
Great writing moves usemotionally.
Great writing is transformative, it's cathartic, it changes
something within us.
Right, it might move us toaction and to more change and
(19:31):
healing, and so that's reallygreat writing.
So great writing reallyconnects us with emotion.
It connects us with sensorydetail that makes things come
alive, and we're not taught thatin school or if we are, we're
taught it at usually a fairlysurface, superficial level.
(19:53):
And so you know, it's actuallynot your fault if your writing
wasn't that good, because itprobably was partly due to that
really not learning what reallymakes good writing and not
having a teacher who reallyasked the right questions to
help you go deeper, because theydidn't really have that right.
And also, you know, society hasgiven us so many ways to feel
(20:17):
muddled or confused or toprotect ourselves from knowing,
and if we protect ourselves toomuch, we're not going to write
that.
Well, right, we have to bewilling to go to those
uncomfortable places in ourwriting, even if we end up not
sharing those parts.
We have to be willing to gothere, and then we can always
say this part I'm comfortablesharing, this part I'm not, for
whatever reasons, might beprotecting someone else, but
(20:41):
giving yourself the space to sayit on the page and decide later
what you're going to share ornot share.
So that's also a reallypowerful piece.
But we're not taught that andthere's so many directives not
to do that right, don't feel so.
You know that's going to comeinto play too, and sometimes you
want to just journal aboutwhat's coming up or what's in
(21:05):
the way, so that you can godeeper with your writing.
So, yeah, so that's anotherexercise you can give yourself.
Thank you, okay.
So now we had a lot of talk.
You ready to meet your muse?
Yes, excellent.
So I'm going to invite you nowand for listeners, you may just
(21:26):
want to listen and experiencewhat it's like to kind of be the
observer in this right, butalso feel free to look for where
you might have a similarexperience, like oh yeah, the
music is saying this and I thinkI need to do that too, right,
so you know, see, there might besome armchair healing for you
(21:50):
here, or armchair transformationor something to explore, and I
will give you the link to whereyou can do this exercise on your
own.
Sometimes it is more helpful todo it with somebody because
there's a safety in that andalso that person especially some
value doing it on your own.
(22:12):
Just listening to the moregeneral Meet your Muse guided
visualization, so I will sharethat.
So it's something people canlisten to later and try it
(22:35):
themselves.
Lisa Tenner (22:37):
And for the listeners.
Just let you know I'm veryvulnerable and I'm scared
because I'm like what's going tocome up and what's going to be
said, yet I know that it's justthe fear that's, you know,
blocking the vulnerability.
So this is what the work lookslike of being transparent and
willing to be honest withyourself.
So I'm looking forward to this.
(22:58):
So I'm all yours, lisa.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Okay, and I also want to say you're in charge.
So if at some point I ask aquestion and what the muse is
saying feels like you know what,this is a piece I don't want to
share.
You know you can say that ofcourse you can edit this too,
but you know it's important, Ithink, if you're going deep, to
really feel safe.
So just know, you know you cansay you know what.
Lisa Tenner (23:26):
I don't want to ask that question of my muse.
I think I'm going to be mindfulenough.
We won't go there, but I can gothere.
I'm fine.
I understand safety.
I just said that.
So cause a lot of people willlook at me and perceive me as
strength and I don't have anyfears or I don't have this, and
because of the work of spaceholding for others, they'll
forget.
Like I'm human too and I havemy own processes.
So I just want to make it morerelatable that it just we can
perceive something, and I'mhuman too and I have my own
processes.
So I just want to make it morerelatable that it just we can
(23:47):
perceive something, and I'm justgiving a little bit of detail
of what's going on internally.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's really helpful.
And you know I'll say that,having helped hundreds of people
write and publish their booksand having done several books
myself, I still feel thatvulnerability too and there are
points where I think why am Iwriting this?
Who's going to read it?
Or I'm not an expert onwhatever it is I'm writing about
(24:16):
now, especially if it's notwriting.
That questioning doesn't goaway, but it's how we process it
.
So thank you for modeling thatfor everyone.
Okay, ready.
So I invite you to getcomfortable in your seat and
feel your feet on the floor,allow your back to gently
straighten, your spine to gentlystraighten not super straight,
(24:37):
you know just what's comfortablystraight, neck lengthened,
perhaps, and chin tucked, andyou might even want to smile or
just feel your whole bodyrelaxing.
And we'll take a deep breathinto your belly and you might
want to release with a sound ora sigh, Ah, and again breathing
(25:01):
in and releasing any tensionaround these issues or
challenges, around writing yourbook and expressing yourself and
really bringing your voice outthere in the world in a big way
(25:30):
releasing.
You can imagine just lettingthat tension go down through
your body, through your legs andfeet, and deep into the earth
for composting.
And now I'd like you to breathein again and, as you exhale,
imagine that you're walkingalong a path in a meadow.
You're going to meet your musein the woods, where your muse is
waiting, and as you walk thismeadow path, just notice what
(25:52):
you see or hear or feel or smellor sense.
Lisa Tenner (25:57):
I'm feeling flowers and greenery.
The path has some rocks andsand.
I can smell the ocean.
I see pink flowers to my leftand I see insects or something
on the side to my right, whilesome of the bush is high up to
(26:19):
my waist.
Yet there's this little paththat's been carved because
people have walked it and I justfeel the moistness of the
vegetation, the greenery,beautiful.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
See the beach in front of you and as you get
closer to the beach, notice whatchanges Is there?
A change in temperature?
A change in there's?
Lisa Tenner (26:43):
openness there's openness and there's more winds,
yet, feeling the sun more, yetthere's just this vast openness
that's felt.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Wonderful.
So now you're let me know whenyou're on the beach.
I'm on there, okay, and theremay be some place that your muse
is meeting you, like it couldbe a little cottage on the beach
, but it may also just be like alog that your muse is sitting
on, or your muse might bestanding by the water, so just
(27:17):
look around and your muse canshow up.
Anyway, it can be symbolic.
Lisa Tenner (27:22):
It can be a blanket .
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Okay, so go towards that blanket and is the blanket
your muse?
Or is your muse showing up onthe blanket, or what do you
notice?
Lisa Tenner (27:34):
I feel an image on the blanket waiting for me.
And it's not a tangible, like Isee a silhouette, yet it's not
a concrete, like physical person.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, beautiful, yet it's not a concrete like
physical person yeah, beautiful.
So maybe just ask inside, youknow, to that image you're
seeing, that silhouette, thatenergy, that's not, you know,
concrete.
Are you, my muse?
Are you here to help me withthese questions?
I have?
Yeah, they said, yeah, great.
(28:07):
So let's start actually withthat confidence piece and let
your muse know that you know yougot all these messages that
you're not a writer and evenwhen you're getting positive
feedback from your beta readers,it's hard to trust it.
What does your muse want you toknow about that that they
(28:29):
understand how I'm feeling, yetit's not the truth.
Can you take that in that you'renot a writer?
It's not the truth.
I am.
Lisa Tenner (28:40):
Yeah.
So now ask your muse, what isthe truth then?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
If that's, not the truth, what is the truth then?
If that's not the truth, whatis the truth that there's?
Lisa Tenner (28:46):
wholeness, that there's worthiness, that there's
delight and that I'm amazingjust the way I am and ask your
muse am I a writer?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
they said yeah, so let's take all of that in that.
You're amazing that you're awriter.
All the things your muse said,take it in.
So how do you feel now in termsof needing validation?
Lisa Tenner (29:10):
being in this presence.
It's like a part of that musefeels like it's a part of me
that's been outside of me thatwants to integrate into me,
because as soon as I was aroundthat presence the tears came up
and that vulnerability felt theempowerment and it's like I've
just been waiting for you to letme be in, if that makes sense
(29:36):
oh, that's really beautiful.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
How do you feel about inviting that part of you to
really merge and maybe ask thatpart of you is there a
particular chakra, a particularplace in your body it wants to
enter through?
Lisa Tenner (29:49):
It's through my stomach, it wants to come in.
Okay, right at the top.
NatNat (29:57):
Right at the top of your stomach.
Solar plexus.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
So how do you feel about really inviting that part
of you to come in through yoursolar plexus and merge?
I am Beautiful, so I'm going tolet you stay with that, and you
just tell me when that feelscomplete.
Lisa Tenner (30:16):
It's in there and I still can feel the doubt of my
perception of oh, this is allnice and good, Yet you'll still
get hurt, You'll still have pain, you're still not that good
(30:38):
that not good enough feeling andsensation.
Yet that energy of the muse isstaying in there and not coming
out.
It's being in there andsettling.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
So just notice that part of you that's saying you
know there's going to be pain,it needs to protect you.
You're still not good enough,and that aspect of you that
you've just invited in thattells you you're amazing, that
you're a writer and that wantsto be integrated.
And just notice those two partsyou know they're two parts of
(31:08):
you and try to just notice themwithout judgment, without having
to do something necessarily.
Just be with them for a fewmoments and again you can tell
me what's going on, if thatfeels right, or you can be
silent if that's what is neededthat feels right, or you can be
(31:30):
silent if that's what is needed.
NatNat (31:31):
I can feel the two frequencies of them.
Lisa Tenner (31:32):
There's like and it's funny, the muse is like a
dark, shadowy entity, not in aum, a frightening way just as a
powerful way of understanding it.
It's fluidity and movement andit's very faint, yet very
prevalent of its frequency andthe part of the nervous system
(31:55):
that doesn't feel good enough,just as this moving vibration in
it and I can feel the two ofthem like coexisting with each
other, where there's one partthat has one frequency and the
other part is just a solidfrequency.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I'm just going to share briefly.
Normally I wouldn't necessarilydo this, but because we have
listeners, I feel moved to saythat, you know, dark is
associated with the feminine,it's associated with mystery,
it's associated with that placeof creation that's before
creation, right, the void, andwe're scared of it often.
So it's not surprising in someways that your muse, like this,
(32:39):
is a powerful muse that shows upas a dark energy and might even
be somewhat associated and Idon't want to project that onto
you, but just if it feels right,might even be associated with
the void before creation, thatspace that allows creation.
So that's a powerful muse, ifthat is what we're connecting
(33:01):
with, which sounds to me.
So just ask your muse what'sneeded right now?
Is this something you canprocess offline later, or do you
need to stay with this a littlelonger?
Um, what?
What do we need right now?
Lisa Tenner (33:15):
the word believe the word believe within myself
is prevalent and I've done acertain process so long that I'm
staying plateaued there and nowI have to release and walk
through and just believe in thepath that's not seen yet.
(33:39):
Trust trust in my abilities andtrust in the guidance, and
trust in the guidance, andthere's a very that muse entity
is just very confident of trust.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
It just trusts that's all, Just trust.
It's funny, as you speak, I'mlooking at your sign that says
breathe and I almost wonder ifyou want to add believe or trust
below it as a new word toreally embrace.
So we kind of went to thedeepest part first.
And I almost wonder what's that, as I always do, yes, yeah, so
(34:26):
does it feel right to ask someof these more surfacy questions,
or does it feel, like you know,just honor, that we went so
deep and let this settle beforeasking the other questions?
Lisa Tenner (34:36):
Like what does your muse want?
It's open.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Okay, all right.
So you know you had a questionabout structure and flow.
Is there anything your musewants you to know at this moment
about the structure of the bookright now, and if there's
something particular needed?
Or does your muse just want youto get some support from an
(35:03):
editor or coach?
Or does your muse have somesuggestions right now of we'll
do this and this and thestructure will flow better?
What does your muse say?
Lisa Tenner (35:12):
The word overanalyzing is prevalent, and
it's also stating you have to bevulnerable to ask for the help.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Can you connect with that part that feels like I
can't ask for help, or thatdoesn't feel safe or I'm not
going to get the right help orwhatever it is that's going on,
like what's going on aboutgetting help?
That?
Lisa Tenner (35:37):
I'll be ridiculed or rejected and told it's not
good enough and the idea that Ihave, or the feeling and
sensation of trusting that, willbe bursted because it will be
ridiculed.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
So that's actually really important information.
Again, I'm going to do somethings I wouldn't normally do in
this exercise.
I would wait till later, but Ithink for your listeners it'll
be helpful, and I'm not sureI'll remember to say it later.
So that part of you that'ssaying I'll be ridiculed, that's
a really important part thatwants to protect you.
And you know what?
There are editors out there whowill tear things apart, who are
(36:13):
not going to tell you whatyou're doing right.
They're just going to tell youwhat they see as wrong.
My husband was talking aboutthis Pilates instructor.
He tried two differentinstructors just to see who he
liked better.
And one is like oh yes, you'redoing this right.
She's always telling him whathe's doing right and then she'll
give him some specificinstruction that's going to help
(36:34):
him do it even better.
And the other one is like, no,no, you're doing it all wrong
and she tells him what to dowithout actually showing him or
going into the detail.
And it's you know, it's worsethan useless, right, it actually
hurts.
So your inner protectivemechanisms are actually going to
(36:55):
be really helpful in findingthe right editor or coach,
because you know you want togive yourself permission to say,
oh, this is not the person forme, and there'll be red flags
immediately.
I think you could probably evenfeel energetically when
somebody is a critic and they'renot actually helpful.
And sometimes we hire peoplelike that because they remind us
(37:16):
of a critical parent or acritical teacher we had.
They're kind of you know,there's a part of us that wants
to complete that cycle and healit, but that's not going to be
the person you want to work withon your book, right?
Actually, firing them or nothiring them in the first place
would be the healing instinct.
(37:39):
So I feel quite confident thatyou're going to be able to find
the right person and you knowyou can see how that feels in
your body Like, oh yeah, maybe Ican find.
Like there are people out therewho are going to be wrong, but
I'm going to know who they areand I'm going to know who's
right and then, if I turn out tobe wrong about that, I'll fire
(38:02):
them.
Right, like, just allowyourself that permission to fire
somebody who's not good for you, or that permission to say, oh,
you know, I thought I was goingto hire you and I'm not sorry,
right, so just like, notice thatand then ask the muse what does
the muse want you to know aboutthis?
Lisa Tenner (38:20):
That the part that gets personalized.
It's just simply I'm notfeeling my deep vulnerability
and everybody's going to have aperception.
Just because somebody doesn'tagree with me, it doesn't mean
that I'm wrong or they're right.
(38:42):
It's just at times we see thingsin a different way, mm-hmm so
it's being able to mature thepart that feels so inferior when
I get something wrong or thatit doesn't align with somebody
else, that I can gently justrelease that and recognize okay,
that's okay, yet not have toprove or not have to minimize
(39:05):
myself because it feels socrippling and debilitating that
something was rejected bysomebody.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yeah, so, again, I'm going to step out of this like
guiding role for a minute toteach something because I think
it'll be helpful to yourlisteners, but you stay with
your process.
But and it might be helpful toyou too is I used to have a
money coach, actually, who wouldsay let your freak flag fly.
And she said if you're notrepelling people, you're not
(39:36):
doing a good job.
And you know I think that'strue Like our people recognize
us as oh, she's for me, he's forme, they're for me.
They recognize this is somebodywho has something to teach me.
This is somebody who is goingto be a good guide for me and a
(39:56):
healthy guide for me.
And if you are, if and they'regoing to be people where it's
just not a match, it's not evenlike they're.
They're a bad guide, right.
It's more like they're not foryou.
You as a guide now, right?
And who's writing this bookabout healing?
There are going to be peoplewho resonate with that message
(40:18):
and resonate with the steps youtook, and there are going to be
people who need their lessons ina different way or they need
different lessons, and so it'sgood to repel those people
because actually you probablycan't help them.
They're not like you're the wayyou're offering the message.
It's not really the way they'remade up.
They have a different makeupand they have a different way of
(40:40):
learning things.
So it's actually great whenyou're repelling people because
it's like, okay, I'm reallyauthentic in my voice and some
people know right away this isfor me, and other people know,
oh, this is not for me.
So it's actually a great thingto be repelling some people.
It's like a message that, oh,you're probably on target unless
you're repelling everybody.
And then you know, then there'sa question to ask yourself.
(41:03):
But I'm sure that's not thecase with you, given the
feedback you told me you'realready getting.
Lisa Tenner (41:10):
Yeah, and I also there's a message coming up for
me that I'm trying to write to acertain people to convince them
.
Where the muse is like, let goof that you're.
You're needing to write for thepeople that need it.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, you know, that's and that's like such a
lesson in life that when we'retrying to convince people, we're
not really meeting them Like asequals, we're not really
meeting them in a fully open way.
And so it is an invitation fromyour muse to drop in deeper and
(41:49):
meet people in that place ofyou're open, they're mirroring
that and they're open, and it'san invitation, right?
So let's just see, is thereanything else your muse wants
you to know before we bring thisprocess to a close?
Lisa Tenner (42:06):
I feel irritation of being stuck somewhere where
it's like why are you still here?
Like not being seated fully inthe power, so your muse is
irritated with you, or it'ssomething like irritation, yeah
(42:27):
like a little bit of annoyance,like it's it's patient, yet it's
like you're stuck somewherethat you don't need to be yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
So ask your muse, like, does it have a little key
to give you to turn, that youknow unlock that door, or does
it have some practice that wantsyou to try?
Lisa Tenner (42:46):
or I just get the message that I have to step into
it.
No one can do this for me.
It's I have to step into it andwhat is stepping into it.
Look like, um, accepting myselfand just revealing the
teachings and the gifts, andtrusting.
(43:06):
Just take action and no longerhide behind closed doors.
Allow yourself to be open andexposed.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
So what goes on inside you when you hear those
words?
It's truth.
Lisa Tenner (43:20):
And then I search for the part that's trying to
hold me back, so that I can meetit and let it know that it's
safe.
Yet parts of me then scream ofthe pain that I've experienced
in life and not wanting that tohappen again.
Yet I also meet it with yeteverything that we've
(43:42):
experienced.
We're still here withresilience and capacity.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Beautiful.
So do you want to stay?
This is something that is goingto take some time.
You're probably going to wantto return to this space of that
internal dialogue and thatinternal integration, and there
might even be some symbolic act,like you might find a rock on
(44:12):
the beach, something you want tolike place near your place
where you write.
So does your muse have aparticular sort of ritual or
symbolic thing it would like youto play with?
To stay with this process?
Lisa Tenner (44:28):
There's a rock that I have that I use and it's a
smooth rock that was given to me.
So whenever I feel ungrounded,it's feeling that and rubbing it
and getting back in my body andallowing that creativity and
reflection to come out.
So it's interesting you said arock, because I do have a rock,
(44:50):
sorry.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
So let's stay with this another moment because I
like to guide people.
To just see if you have anymore questions for your muse
before we end.
Lisa Tenner (44:59):
Oh, it's integrated in Great oh beautiful.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
So thank your muse and know that you can come back
here at any time.
So thank your muse and knowthat you can come back here at
any time.
When you're ready, you can exitthe way you came back onto that
path.
So, leaving the beach, goingonto that path through the
bushes and the flowers, backinto that meadow, and, whenever
(45:23):
you're ready, you can open youreyes.
So if you want to say anything,you're welcome.
Lisa Tenner (45:29):
Very powerful, very vulnerable, as you create a
space of safety, of inquiring.
Yet you also gave informationBecause I've done the work, so
it's more easier for me to bevulnerable and speak my process.
Yet as soon as I saw the darkimage and saw it, it was like,
okay, I feel it this way, butother people might interpret it
(45:52):
a different way.
And having that information offeminine in the dark void, the
way I go so deep with peoplesome of them they're like, okay,
I'm drowning with you, Like Idon't know how deep, like you,
and I've been told that most ofmy life that I think very deeply
and some of it I'm like this isbeyond what I can grasp in my
(46:16):
lived experience as a human,that there's just a knowing in
creation and whatnot so and justthe openness of asking
questions.
And, like I said, I was tearingup and I could feel the
vulnerability, so the power ofthat, and I could feel my
nervous system in my legsringing.
(46:38):
So it was like the integrationand the feeling and being honest
.
So it's a beautiful process ofvisualizing, yet being in your
body, of really asking yourselfsome really deep questions, that
it's hard to be honest withourselves, it's difficult to be
truthful, especially when wehave these protective mechanisms
(47:01):
that are ingrained in us.
Yet once we can allow safety,as you started this process,
there's such a powerful honestyin that it doesn't mean
everything goes away, like I it,as I said, it's like, yeah,
it's, it's great that you feelthis and you know this.
Yet it's just walking this pathof change now and to doing you
(47:25):
know, one moment at a time, ofchoosing differently.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah, and braiding, you know it's associated with
self-expression right Throatchakra if we want to go to the
energetics and with creativity,so second chakra and you know,
and other things too, but Ithink especially those two areas
.
And so you know, if we have somechallenges in those areas,
(47:53):
that's going to kind of force usto work with that right and to
see, well, what's there and tomove through it and maybe
overcome or heal some aspectsfrom the past or even aspects
from the ancestral field.
You know that we've inherited.
It's part of the work and Ialso know that, especially when
(48:17):
somebody is working on a bookthat goes deep right or is about
healing, the book is going toforce you to go back to that
territory where you're veryvulnerable, so that you can
remember what it's like and youcan write to your readers from
that place of knowing again likethat vulnerability or that fear
(48:40):
.
And so it helps you writebetter because you're meeting
them where they are, becauseyou're really remembering like,
oh yeah, this is what this islike.
So you write a book on anger,you're going to get angry, and
if you write it with co-authors,you'll get angry at each other.
You know there'll beopportunities for conflict and
healing, and that's a good thing.
Lisa Tenner (49:02):
Yeah, I want to ask you I'm mindful of time I just
want to ask you your perspectivenow that AI is here.
Do you feel that that's auseful tool for people or it
could do damage with thecreativity?
Speaker 3 (49:23):
I think AI is dangerous.
I think that I don't think it'screated from a place of like
totally helping humanity.
I think it's coming from aplace that's somewhat nefarious
and actually about taking awayour humanity, making us less
independent thinkers, lesscreative.
(49:44):
I think people are foolingthemselves and, yes, it might
save you time in the short run,but I think it is not a good
thing for humans and that if wego too far with that process, we
will end up really in danger us.
So, yeah, I think, go out innature and feel the rhythm of
(50:10):
nature, feel the connection oflife.
Ai is not life, it's somethingelse.
So my personal opinion is trustin the kind of thing we just
did Trust in your own innatecreativity.
It's so much more.
It's a totally differentfeeling when you connect with
(50:31):
your inner creativity and youheal or you overcome something.
You feel transformation that AIcan't give you that.
Lisa Tenner (50:42):
So, now that you work this whole process with me,
I'm sure many want to knowwhere they can find you, lisa,
so could you let them know yourwebsite, what your offerings are
and where they can find thebooks?
Speaker 3 (50:56):
and they can find my books on the website, but Amazon
is probably the easiest placeto buy it and write a review.
If you find it helpful and I dopractices like the one I did
(51:17):
with you, so that's if peopleare feeling well, I'm a little
stuck, I need that they canreach out to me, lisa, at
lisatennercom or there's acontact form on the website and
we can do that practice together.
I also have classes, sessionswhere we get in creative flow
with breathing and quickexercises that really get us
(51:39):
into that space of creative flow, and then we write and we set
intentions and then we write forlike 45 minutes, we do a little
bit of UNA or laser coachingand then we move back into it.
So it's a two hour thing and wedo it twice a week.
Some people come once a week,some come twice.
But if you want to get somewriting done and want support,
(51:59):
want to feel that safe space toreally explore and go deep and
write your best stuff, this is awonderful way to do that and
you also have access to all myself-study programs for writing
a book and things like that.
So for a lot of people that's agreat match.
And yeah, and then you know Ihelp with book proposals and
(52:21):
editing and things like that aswell.
So I would love to hear fromyour listeners if they are
interested in writing a book orwriting other things as well.
That bring your book sorry, getyour Writing Done program can
be for other types of writingtoo.
Lisa Tenner (52:34):
Yeah, I will definitely be reaching out to
you after this so that I can besupported and get some feedback
and everything else.
This has been an absolutedelight, lisa.
As the universe always has it,you know, things show up exactly
when you need them, and Ineeded this process to really
(52:55):
just go deeper within myself.
And I want to thank you for thealchemy.
As you said, you had a chronicfatigue and you did the alchemy.
You took those impurities andyou've turned them into gold,
yet you've not kept it foryourself.
You're sharing it with others.
So thank you for doing thatalchemy.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
Thank you, and I'm excited about your book.
I want to read it when it comesout, so, or maybe I'll get to
read it sooner, actually, right,but I look forward to that.
It sounds to me like somethingthat's so deeply needed, like
the kind of thing I wish I hadwhen I had that illness.
Lisa Tenner (53:31):
Right, please remember to be kind to yourself.
Hey, you made it all the wayhere.
I appreciate you and your time.
If you found value in thisconversation, please share it
out.
If there was somebody thatpopped into your mind, take
action and share it out.
If there was somebody thatpopped into your mind, take
action and share it out withthem.
NatNat (53:50):
It possibly may not be them that will benefit.
It's that they know somebodythat will benefit from listening
to this conversation so pleasetake action and share out the
podcast.
Lisa Tenner (54:02):
you can find us on social media, on facebook,
facebook, instagram and TikTokunder Lift One Self, and if you
want to inquire about the workthat I do and the services that
I provide to people, come overon my website, come into a
discovery call liftoneselfcom.
NatNat (54:22):
Until next time, please remember to be kind and gentle
with yourself.
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