November 11, 2024 • 34 mins
What if embracing your true self could shatter societal barriers and lead to personal freedom? Join us for a transformative episode of the Lift One Self podcast with our guest, Jason Ciofalo, famously known as the Social Psychic. Jason, who uniquely balances his roles as a psychic, lawyer, and podcaster, shares his remarkable journey of self-discovery and authenticity. Together, we explore the power of intuition, the importance of self-acceptance, and the liberating experience of letting life flow naturally. With a grounding meditation practice woven into our conversation, we emphasize the significance of staying present and prioritizing self-care.
Jason opens up about his early experiences with mediumship, sharing how intuitive abilities have been an integral part of his life since childhood. From prophetic dreams to comforting encounters with his late grandfather, these spiritual connections provide solace and understanding, especially for those navigating grief. We delve into the symbolic language of the universe, discussing how signs like angel numbers and synchronicities offer guidance and validation. Our conversation invites you to embrace your intuitive experiences and find reassurance in the notion that our loved ones continue to connect with us from beyond.
As our discussion unfolds, we reflect on the challenges and rewards of living authentically. Jason shares poignant personal stories, including the heartfelt narrative of his mother's move into his home after an accident, underscoring the value of cherishing time with loved ones. We traverse the landscape of vulnerability and strength, contemplating the advice we might offer our younger selves. Through his various endeavors, Jason encourages us to engage with curiosity and connect with our community. This episode is an invitation to explore growth and healing through mindfulness, open conversations, and the kindness we extend to ourselves and others.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Lift One Self podcast, where we break
mental health stigmas throughconversations.
I'm your host, nat Nat, and wedive into topics about trauma
and how it impacts the nervoussystem.
Yet we don't just leave youthere.
We share insights and tools ofself-care, meditation and growth
(00:21):
that help you be curious aboutyour own biology.
Your presence matters.
Please like and subscribe toour podcast.
Help our community grow.
Let's get into this.
Oh, and please remember to bekind to yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Welcome to the Lift Win Self podcast.
I'm your host, Nat Nat, and Ihave a wonderful guest.
That is a delight, delight, andI am so thankful that he is
gracing our audience and ourlisteners and I get to engage
with him.
Jason, can you let thelisteners know a little bit
about you and what we're goingto speak about today?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Absolutely.
Thank you, first of all, havingme on the show.
I'm Jason Zook.
I'm the social psychic, nat Nat, it's such a pleasure talking
to you today and your audience.
I have been an intuitive psychicmedium probably my whole life.
My grandfather passed away in2004 when he did Orbs of Light,
came to me in a hotel room andthe rest of my opportunity to be
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an open psychic over time iswhat happened.
It took 10 years to become moreopen about it.
I had to overcome my own thingsin my own mind about what a
psychic is and what a lawyer isand how does that all fit?
And what I realized is thingsfit nicely when you just allow
things to flow.
If you try to force things intothe respective positions, you're
going to have resistance withinyourself and from without, in
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society and beyond, and I thinkif you allow things to flow and
you do things in a certain way,your truths will come through
and authenticity and you can be.
You know I have had, as I wastelling you earlier, my schedule
varies between my three rolesof a podcaster, psychic and a
lawyer and I feel like this ismy time Like just like we all
have our time that we feel thecomfort of things.
(02:06):
I would just tell anyone in theaudience if you ever feel like
it's not your time, it's goingto come.
You'll have everything thatflows together really nicely and
as a psychic, I've enjoyed that.
After struggling internally atfirst, I'm at peace with myself
and my own authentic aspects ofthings to be who I am a psychic,
a lawyer and a podcaster.
I also like the idea of doingproduction work down the road,
(02:28):
but the lawyer work is what isvery pressing right now and my
day job, as I'll call it andthen I do the other things
around it.
Call it and then I do the otherthings around it.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Well, before we get into the conversation, would you
join me in a mindful moment sothat we can ground ourselves and
connect in our hearts?
Absolutely, and for thelisteners, as you always hear my
spiel safety first.
If you're driving or if you areneeding your visual, please
don't close your eyes.
Yet the other prompts you canfollow.
(02:58):
So, jason, I'll ask you to getcomfortable in your seating and
you're going to gently closeyour eyes and you're going to
begin breathing in and outthrough your nose, bringing your
awareness to watching yourbreath go in and out.
You're not going to try andcontrol your breath.
You're just going to be awareof its rhythm, allowing it to
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guide you into your body.
Rhythm, allowing it to guideyou into your body.
There may be sensations orfeelings coming up.
It's okay, let them come up.
You're safe to feel.
You're safe to let go.
Surrender the need to control,release the need to resist and
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just be, be with your breath,drop deeper into your body.
There may be thoughts or to-dolists that have popped up in
your mind, and that's okay.
Gently bring your awarenessback to your breath, creating
space between the awareness andthe thoughts and dropping deeper
(04:08):
into your body, just being withthe breath Again, more thoughts
may have popped up.
That's okay.
Just bring your awareness backto your breath, beginning again,
creating even more spacebetween the thoughts and the
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awareness and dropping deeperinto your body.
Just be with the breath.
With the breath Now, at yourown time and at your own pace.
You're going to gently openyour eyes while staying with the
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breath.
How's your heart doing?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I will just tell you that's.
That was beautiful.
I love meditation.
My heart feels, it just feelsso grounded right now and, uh, I
love the way you say let thingsgo, feel the flow.
You know it's exactly it was.
It was very pleasant just toground ourselves like that, to
be in this thank you.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You know, when I uh introduced this about a year ago
onto the podcast, it was alittle unnerving, yet it was
like you know, instead oftelling people to meditate and
what the benefits bring, it intothe podcast so people can take
this two minutes and see likehow profound it is to take those
moments for yourself and, likeyou said, it's like sitting in
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the confidence of just being youand and letting people join if
they want to join and if theydon't it's okay.
Yet you understand, you knowthe flow of life.
You mentioned psychic lawyerpodcasts.
So I know some people are likewhat are you?
What do you?
That's like all totallyopposite, analytical, open,
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flowing connection.
Yet if you really look italmost sounds like mind, body
and soul.
So can you explain a little bithow you got into?
You know your gift of beingintuitive and and psychic and
what that means for you and howyou've defined it for yourself
(06:24):
it runs in my family is theeasiest way to say it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
It's genetic in part, but because my grandmother was
very, very psychic in herlifetime, my mom, other
relatives of mine I justhappened to, I think, have the
blessing that I understood thatbeing intuitive isn't something
that we necessarily sign up for,it's just a part of us.
Some people have awesome vision.
Some people can play music well, some are performing athletes.
(06:50):
I have that be intuitive and Ican pick up energy and my whole
life.
I never really thought muchabout it till my twenties when I
started having premonitions andidiosyncratic synchronicities.
I'll call it Like getting insomeone's car and we go for a
ride and next thing, you know,I'm grabbing the steering wheel
trying to keep us from hitting atruck that's coming off the
angle we didn't see beforehand.
Or just in life itself.
(07:12):
The journey I bet we all havethese journeys and it's whether
or not we accept the task athand to be an intuitive psychic.
For me it was the battle of, ifeverything fits so well in a
role in society, like being anattorney, why would you make
your life that much morechallenging to let people know
you're psychic?
And I flipped that around and Isay live at your full, your
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full reach.
Live at your full potential,rather than worry or fear that
someone's going to misjudge youor look at you critically for
something they think doesn't fit.
Does it mean that you have tonot allow it to fit?
And in my own life I've done allthree to the best of my ability
.
I'm like number one as apsychic here in Tampa, without
even trying, and then as alawyer.
I've been doing it for 15 years, licensed in five states, and
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then even as a podcaster my show.
So it's like when you get to dothree different things that are
like you said, it seems likeit's all over the spectrum.
But then I realized, as of soonas this year is all three
things that I've been doing.
I do it above average, I do itin a way where my passion comes
through and I enjoy it a lot.
So I have to ground myself.
That grounding exercise we dida little few minutes ago is what
I do for myself.
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When I get excited, I'll go forwalks.
Things that I can do to live inthe present moment are
important.
So even though, if you havesome intuitive abilities, the
point I'm trying to say is it'spart of who we are and for me to
explain that I have thesedifferent roles.
It's like someone saying I'm amom, I'm a doctor and I run a
company.
People have different roles.
(08:37):
They do Mine.
Just have to be somewhat, withthe intuitive side mixed into
the legal and creative.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
When did you start discovering the intuitive part
in you?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I remember as a little child I came from a
single parent family in NewJersey and my grandmother used
to watch me at the time when mymom was teaching or was at work.
And I remember like saying tomy grandmother, I've been here
before deja vu, I feel likeeverything we're going through
today I can sense, I can seethings and I would say things
before they happened.
And I just remember as an earlyage I was told don't talk about
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that to people in your lifeunless they understand it.
So early in my life I knewthere was semblance of something
prophetic dreams, like when youpick up dreams before they
happen of things.
I've had those happen over theyears.
And then it just became moreprevalent around the death of my
grandfather.
When he died I always had apremonition that when he, the
day he died, I'd be by myselfwith no one to console me.
Well, the day he actuallypassed I was in Wisconsin doing
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a deposition on a work trip andI had no one around me to
console me.
But what was left out of thatpremonition was my grandfather
consoled me.
The orbs of light that came inthe room told me everything's
gonna be fine, son, don't worryabout me.
I love you, I'm always gonna bewith you.
I leaned into it and from thenon I had my first mediumship
experience, that night with oneof my best friend's grandmothers
who had been passed away a fewmonths.
(09:59):
Yeah, I slept with the lightson for 10 years out of initially
not knowing how this all fitstogether, but then, once I got
through that process, beingspiritual is like breathing and,
I think, air.
You know our breath has a lotto do with our spirituality.
Like you, you know when youmeditate or when you pray or
whatever it is, and so it's justsecond nature to me at this
(10:21):
point, but I've known my wholelife.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Now, you mentioned mediumship, so you know being
able to communicate with yourgrandfather, and that you held
space for your friend and theirgrandmother.
For some of the listeners theymay be, what are you talking
about?
Others will be like oh, tell memore, because I know what this
other side of love is.
Can you explain what that isand how you?
(10:45):
Well, it's your grandfatherthat brought you into further,
into your gift.
Yet how have you evolved in it?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Absolutely.
For anyone skeptical listeningto this, I'll just say close
your eyes like you did a fewminutes ago, and if you can
breathe, you can pick up on theother side.
Our breath and our love arewhat connect us, like the breath
is the vehicle, love is theumbilical cord.
And so for anyone who'sskeptical that they can't
communicate with their deceasedloved ones through dreams, I'll
say it's like this.
It's like synchronicity is avery strong natural force a lot
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of us don't even know about.
It's like the invisible, subtleWi-Fi signal that we have to
put the pieces together andunderstand it.
But for me it goes like this,let's say in a morning.
I'll give you an example.
A couple of years ago, duringthe pandemic, I remember I was
really stressed out aboutfinances, like a lot of us were,
and my grandfather came to mein a dream and he said son,
tomorrow when you get up and I'mworking from my house, when you
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get up, I want you around likesomething's going to happen.
Nothing, of course.
And throughout my day I had twonew signups for my law firm,
two new guests for my show andtwo requests for psychic
readings, and the last one camein at 2, 2, 2 PM and so I was
like, okay, that's ratherinteresting.
And then I zoomed out and Irealized, no matter how worried
or stressed we can be about ourpresent situations, you have to
(12:04):
see everything.
You've got to take the abilityto pretend like you're on your
iPhone to put the setting outwhere you zoom out the furthest.
And when you zoom out, you'regoing to realize that half of
our fear, half of our anxiety,whatever it is, it's within
ourselves.
It's not a real thing out there.
And so for me personally, mygrandfather has been a sign of
reassurance.
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I get pennies from heaven inrandom places and spots when I'm
trying to make decisions inlife, and my grandfather will
come to me in a dream Later onI'll get a penny and then later
on I'll get something like anangel number 1111-111-222.
And it's the culmination of allthose things taken together how
, when you think about something, your deceased loved one comes
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to you in a dream, then theysend you a penny, then you'll
see an angel number.
Those are all confirming things.
But if we look at them in avacuum, we'll say, oh, weird
numbers.
Oh, a penny on anyone.
A penny could happen fromanybody.
But it's how you look at it andpiece it all together.
It's like breadcrumbs spiritualbreadcrumbs that you can
connect the dots and getmessages from our loved ones.
(13:08):
And that's one of the thingsI've learned about in the last
20 years from communicating withmy grandfather, my father, my
aunt, who died I have more thanone, just one, relative and then
also, when I give readings topeople, the spiritual
breadcrumbs that come through areading, and it's very
enlightening and it's somethingthat now I look at 20 years
later.
Yeah, my life's been a littleinteresting in respect of having
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all these things happen that askeptic might say you know, that
doesn't make any sense.
But I'm not here to persuadethe skeptics.
I'm here to validate the peoplewho have the experiences like
I'm describing, who don't knowwhat they are, and those
experiences can validate someonefrom either grieving, being
depressed, being scared andthat's where I feel our true
power comes is helping,comforting somebody who doesn't
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have that comfort by allowingthem to see these kinds of
things that I pick up on.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Oh, okay.
So now you're in this and itsounds like you have you're in
the seat of worth and in yourconfidence, like you can feel
the electrical joy of being you,like you really can feel it.
It's like I can feel howpalpable that is.
(14:21):
I'm sure it wasn't always there, yeah.
So what did that journey looklike?
To really sit in the seat ofyour life, in your gifts and
being in that confidence.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
What a great question .
I want to say this Mentalhealth is big for me.
Mental health awareness is bigfor me.
I know after the last severalyears we've had the uncertainty
we're going through now and thesociety that we're in.
We have these events that areoutside of our control, be it
nature, elections, whatever.
And I'll just say that, for me,having the ability to find some
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type of pattern, some type ofunderstanding amidst all these
things that are like topsy-turvy, that's been the thing for my
gifts or my abilities.
That I like the most is I canpierce through things and see
beyond things and send somethingto make normalcy out of things
that don't seem normal at all orthat don't make sense and don't
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add up.
And I will just tell anyone whohas a mental health struggle,
because I have my own in my lifeand I do every day what I can
to maximize my life, meaningI'll wake up, I'll meditate,
I'll go for a walk.
If I go through a moment whereI feel sad or depressed about
something, I'll feel that too.
I've gone through a healingjourney the last couple of years
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.
I found out I was a child oftrauma, didn't know that it was
like nice to meet you, jason,didn't know that this side of
you, as your child, that youwent through all these things,
that they were there.
But that healing journey wokeme up on a deeper level and it
also made me realize that sure,I could have this day.
You know these different rolesI do in life, but for myself,
when I struggle with a mentalhealth issue, I always bring
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light to it and understand it,honor it and realize we all
struggle every day.
So in response to your question, and how am I more?
I'm more confident.
Yep, I'm happy, I love what Ido.
I still deal with my ownchallenges and struggles inside,
like most of us do.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I think you know the reason why I do the work that I
do is holding space and allowingpeople to feel, in a world that
it feels so threatening to feelyour emotions and that you're
supposed to just be somethingother and portray.
You know, this sense ofstrength.
It's like well, when you allowyourself to feel your array of
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emotions.
I think that's where theconfidence comes that you start
to recognize.
Oh, the journey I've beenlooking for is home inside my
body and creating safety and theauthentic you know where
everybody's like I want to be myauthentic self with means.
You're going to have to feelyour authentic emotions and not
do a la carte of I just want tobe happy and everything is just
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so blissful.
It's like you know you're goingto have helplessness, you're
going to have grief, you'regoing to have fear, all these
different arrays.
It's just remembering not toidentify with it and so pardon.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I want to add something when you're done.
I'm sorry to interrupt Go ahead, go ahead.
Authenticity can be one of themost uncomfortable and messiest
things we go through,unpredictable.
I've had relationships withpeople I've severed over the
years because they weren'tliving up to their authentic
self with me and I felt that andI knew it and I had to move
forward.
And it can be very.
This year I've been through alot of upheaval.
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Before you know, we got intoFebruary, my mom fell broke.
Her arm, moved in with me, Iswitched job, stuff, and that
created a vacuum for a while andthen I realized everything
happens for a reason, no matterhow you look at it, how you see
it.
And now I'm cherishing everymoment I have with my mom
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because she's not going to behere forever.
And a lot of people look attheir parents and worry about
when their parent crosses overand I'll say look, spend time
with your parent now if you can,even if they may not need to
live with you, spend the timewith them.
Give them that opportunity.
Like I bought a recorder thingthat my mom's going to record
and let her have her voice totalk about her life in her own
way, and I'm going to use thatas a creative passion of mine
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down the road.
I think we should do stuff likethat for our elders, give them
that respect, and I'm saying notevery day is easy, but being
authentic to yourself is doingthings uncomfortable and
trusting that in the end,everything's going to come
together the way it needs to.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And I think there's honesty.
Honesty requires that messiness, that you know what you're not
going to know what you're doingall the time.
Sometimes the emotions,triggers, are going to be there.
Yet it's being there foryourself and, like we did at the
beginning, take a breath, youknow, regulate yourself, feel
whatever you need to feel sothat you can see what's
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presently in front of you andnot be stuck in that head of
ours that tries to control pastand future.
It's like no, no, come backinto the body, be present in the
now, which your breath isalways in.
I want to ask you this part so,because you're're you know,
you're in your gift of intuition, you're in your gift of
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mediumship, of being able tocommunicate on the other side of
love.
Your mother is on this side oflove.
How do you think you will beable be in the experience when?
If you might be able to be inthe experience when, if it might
be you before, yet if you'restill on this side, what will,
what do you think that will looklike for you going through that
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experience of that transition,knowing what you know?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, and interestingly enough and this is
me being a human, fulldisclosure for full authenticity
that's going to be one of thetoughest days of my life.
I'm going to tell you why.
My mom's my best friend and,coming from a single parent
family, I was a sick child withpneumonia nine times, almost put
in one of those bubbles Wayback when as an infant.
My mom went through all thosesacrifices with me as a sick
baby and our journey togetherfor all these years.
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As most single parents know,they struggle financially and
then they struggle througheverything else until everything
gets stable and then, hopefully, at that point you can
reciprocate and give back, butnonetheless it's going to be one
of the toughest parts of mylife I haven't.
I'll tell you this as a psychic.
My mom's also intuitive.
My grandfather's come to mesince she's moved in and he'll
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come to me in a dream and then Iwake up and I'll go talk to her
because she's on the couch inthe living room.
When I get up in the morningShe'll be like, oh, I had the
most amazing dream with grandpa.
I was like, oh, wait me too.
And my grandfather told me andmy mom believes the same thing.
We both believe, god willing,knock on wood that she'll
minimally live another threeyears, that she's 78 in December
, that she'll live to her early80s, like my grandfather did did
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, and he's come back severaltimes to kind of let us know
that.
So she and I are both under thepreparation that in three years
or so, god willing, that's thetime we have together.
I got time to prepare, she'sgot time to prepare.
But I also know the way mygrandfather is with me.
She's never leaving me.
She's always going to pop in atthe right moments and give me
the advice and that feedback Ineed, even on the other side.
You know I get it now from mygrandfather, my dad and others
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and I know she'll be one ofthose pivotal forces.
But it's going to be a challengefor me.
It's like you look at your ownlife in respect to those you
love when they cross over andyou've got to realize that there
is a letting go, part of ourphysical meat bodies, as I'll
call our physical bodies.
Bodies here are like our youknow our costumes here that we
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wear, that our avatars.
But then when we cross over,the beauty of that is love holds
us all together.
They can zoom in on us andwatch us like we're their
reality show and for us it'slike we.
We have to recognize thoseblessings in order to receive
them and cherish and appreciate.
So for me, the short answer toquestion it's going to be a
really hard time for me whenthat happens, but I also know
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I'm going to be getting hurt allthe time.
So it's like what you don't getin physical form you'll get in
spiritual form.
But you got to just know thatthere's an ascension that occurs
when we die.
We're not dust in the wind, wecross over, we ascend it.
We're not dust in the wind, wecross over, we ascend.
It's like graduating and we'reon the other side with everyone
else and then we get to beconnected with them from here.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Thank you for that honesty Because you know it's
one thing knowing something.
I have a friend that I havebeen supporting through her
pancreatic cancer journey beensupporting through her
pancreatic cancer journey andtwo weeks ago we got into a
medical crisis in the ER and DNRconversations were there and it
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didn't look good at all.
And so when I finally came outof the room cause I'd been with
her for like nine hours straightand I just saw her body go
through something reallytraumatic when I came out of the
room I just allowed myself tojust weep and I'm usually the
one that people come to weepwith.
Yet I allowed that space.
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And then they were like, hey,come on and going through the ER
and seeing that my tears werecreating like uncomfortableness
to people in the yard waiting togo into these rooms, and then
when I got outside, I justdropped on the pavement and I
just screamed from the bottom ofmy belly Just let that
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animalistic part out of thathelplessness.
That uncontrolled securitysurrounded us and my friend was
like no, no, it's okay.
And then they both like.
They were like okay, let's walk.
And while we were walking downthe ramp I turned to my head and
I could see the sunset.
It was so beautiful and in myweeping I'm like, look how
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beautiful the sunset is.
And it gave me a bit of youknow, get off the ground, being
the groundless like you're.
You're too much tethered intothe human part and you're not
feeling the fear.
The fear is stopping you and Ilet myself feel that humanness
part and release.
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And then, you know, got back andwent back in there and she came
back online and she wasreleased on Friday, did her
first new treatment Tuesday andis doing well.
So it it, it does a bit of amind fuck to your mind, cause
you're like I felt all this,like it was grief and we weren't
going to be there, yet You'restill here and that it happened
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the Monday.
The Tuesday I had a massageschedule and I was going to
cancel but I was like no, yougot to take care of yourself.
And so I went and the personsaid it sounds like you're not
ready for her to leave and Isaid no, I'm not.
And in that massage I reflectedon that and it was like you
know better, that's just fear.
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You know that you'll still beable to communicate with her.
You have to let go of the fearso that you can have the courage
to show up right now in theliving.
And it was very profound.
Doesn't mean that like it's notchallenging and difficult, like
when we did treatment onTuesday, somebody one of the
nurses asked how I was and Ishedded some tears and she's
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like, oh my gosh and sorry, andfriend's, like everything's
going to be okay.
And I was like I know it is.
Yet I can be vulnerable, I canfeel my emotions and still be
okay and hold, you know, thespace and everything else.
So I thank you for that honesty, because sometimes people can
do that performative andstoicism and and maybe you know
(25:31):
they they're able to recognizethat and not go through the
grief in that manner.
Um, I just appreciate thehonesty so other people can
relate and not attack themselvesthat oh, I had emotions.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
It's like, yeah, that's what love is like, that's
what we need emotions we needthose emotions and you know as
you just said, that I wasthinking back how we all have
that inner child insideourselves.
That eight-year-old isterrified when things become not
as easy to understand.
Things don't fit nicely andneatly, you know, when you deal
with illness.
I had cancer in 2018.
It was stage one only, thankgod, but it jostled my world and
(26:06):
changed who I am profoundly.
Every day is, you know, a newbeginning for us and, with your
friend, my heart goes out to youbecause I know how
gut-wrenching, how hard that canbe and how painful, and I can
tell you that the best thingyou're doing is letting it out.
The best thing you're doing isable to communicate it, but then
you're able to see that sunsetand that sunset's showing you
(26:29):
that it's OK.
It's like a pat on the backspiritually.
It's OK, you're going to be OK,going forward.
Just know that.
And that's a consistency, right, because you know the sun sets
regularly each night.
Whether the clouds are up, ahurricane's out there or
something else, that sun'salways going to set and that
sun's always going to rise backup, always going to set, and
that sun's always going to riseback up, and once you look at
(26:51):
that that's.
That's that's like God's way ofreassuring you that, even
though you feel thisunpredictability and this fear
and all these other things, when, when it all comes together,
you'll have peace later in thefuture, you're not going to feel
that disruptive, um, thosechaotic feelings.
It's going to.
It's going to settle down andyour friend I think she's
extremely lucky to have you.
I will just say this One of mygreatest fears of life, my whole
(27:15):
life, was that I'll be alone,and during the pandemic I was
alone a lot, and even now, yeah,my mom lives with me.
I love it, but in the futureI'll be alone again.
And it's like sometimes you gotto deal with your own fears by
taking them head on and tacklingthem and surrounding yourself
with people who love you,surrounding yourself.
We all have that quest rightand it's not always easily to
(27:36):
put together.
You're going to have momentswhere you want to lay down on
the floor, kick your knees upand scream like you're having
one of those episodes, but atthe same time, that's what makes
us part of the human experiencetoo.
But at the same time, that'swhat makes us part of the human
experience too.
I feel that I wouldn't want tobe a stoic Spartan, the 300, one
(27:56):
of those people that has noemotions.
I think one of my greatestthings, at least that I've
understood and really appreciate, is the fact that I could tap
into my emotions and be realabout it and then let them sit
within me and then utilize thatto hopefully learn from and heal
from and then utilize that tohopefully learn from and heal
from what I was.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
How I was describing it to people.
It was like I have the stoicism, yet I have the vulnerability
too, and they're both blendedtogether.
It's not picking one or theother, it's not suppressing my
emotions and being strong andit's not being vulnerable and
not being able to do anything.
It was blending the twotogether.
So, thank you, and I keephearing how lucky she is.
(28:34):
Yet I'm lucky also to be ableto walk that journey.
And, you know, develop thecourage.
Develop the courage to stilllook in the fragility of life,
really understand the unknownand uncertainty and see death
for what it is, that it's thereto spark you to live, live in
(28:55):
the moment, and it'selectrifying, it's palpable,
it's a beautiful gift, so I'mthankful for it.
I want to bring you into areflective question.
I want to ask you to bring thisawareness right now and to go
back to your 18-year-old self,and you have three words to tell
(29:17):
your 18-year-old self to carryyou to the journey right now.
What would those words be?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Confidence, consistency I get the word
careful meaning like be carefulhow I navigate through life's
challenges, but be confident,consistent with myself, like not
to fear things and and I knowthey all came out with you know
C's for whatever reason, butthat's what I'm picking up on to
be consistent with myself, notto fear anything and to be and
(29:44):
to be able to look at everythingand keep going and not and not
reflect on it in a negative way.
If I was 18 right now, that'sthe most important thing I'd say
to myself is, whenever you getthose people that try to be
negative towards you, wheneveryou get somebody who says you
can't do this, whenever you getsomebody who says you failed or
you suck, whatever people try tothrow at us, learning not to
(30:06):
let that criticism be baked intoyourself, right, we all have
those things where we fear, wehave self-fulfilling,
self-defeating thoughts,self-sabotaging all those things
, and I think when you're 18versus when you're, say, I'm 49
right now, 30, 40 years later,30 years later, it makes you
appreciate like what's ahead foryou, cause you can see, looking
(30:26):
back on it.
If any of us can look back onour life and see ourselves from
that stage to now, I know itwould be like oh my, I would be
your coach to myself, I'd be myown coach.
I'd be you can do this, you cando this and allow yourself to
enjoy that journey and takerisks.
Because I was one of thosepeople that wanted to rock the
boat too much.
When I was younger, I wanted todo everything, fit into all the
(30:47):
roles I had to do.
Be was younger, I wanted to doeverything, fit into all the
roles I had to do.
Be an overachiever, doeverything the best way I could,
but I didn't want to rock theboat.
Now I would rock the boat alittle more and not fear that I
would take some risks, and I'dbe consistent with that.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Thank you.
Thank you for that.
Now I know many listeners arelike, okay, where do I find
Jason and what does he have tooffer?
So could you let the listenersknow where they can find you and
what you have?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Absolutely.
I go by the social psychic as ahandle on most social media.
On Instagram I'm at the T H Eunderscore social underscore
psychic.
My website iswwwthesocialpsychiccom, my law
website.
For anyone out there that wantsto see my legal stuff, it's
wwwcofollowlawcom.
(31:33):
That's my legal name,c-i-o-f-a-l-o law dot com.
I do insurance stuff and takeon insurance companies on
hurricanes and disaster work forhomeowners, businesses and
whatnot, and then just basicallyyou can find me.
I have a pretty big presence onsocial media.
My show is called the SocialPsychic Radio Show.
It's in its sixth season rightnow.
And I'm on another show calledPsychic Visions with my best
(31:55):
friend, megan Cain withElectrocast Media and that's on
its second season right now.
And if anyone's interested injoining a paranormal network, we
have a network calledParanormal Universe with
Electrocast, for anyone who'sspiritual has their own podcast
and they want to podcast in asafe place, we have that as well
.
So there's just various things.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I have that are available, and I'll be sure to
connect that all into the shownotes so that people have easy
access to you at any time.
Listeners, if there was atingle, if there was an opening,
that is your limbic systemletting you know Jason has
something that would beinformative.
So connect with him, just senda message, just be curious,
(32:41):
allow your curiosity to beunleashed so that you can
connect with Jason and that hemay possibly be able to show you
an opening within yourself thatyou didn't even know was there.
So, jason, I want to thank youso much for enriching myself and
the listeners with yourpresence, your energy.
It's always a delight to be inyour presence.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
That pleasure is mine .
I deeply appreciate you havingme on and I thank your audience
for listening to our interviewand our discussion.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Please remember to be kind to yourself.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
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(33:56):
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Welcome to the Lift Win Self podcast.
I'm your host, Nat Nat, and Ihave a wonderful guest.
That is a delight, delight, andI am so thankful that he is
gracing our audience and ourlisteners and I get to engage
with him.
Jason, can you let thelisteners know a little bit
about you and what we're goingto speak about today?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Absolutely.
Thank you, first of all, havingme on the show.
I'm Jason Zook.
I'm the social psychic, nat Nat, it's such a pleasure talking
to you today and your audience.
I have been an intuitive psychicmedium probably my whole life.
My grandfather passed away in2004 when he did Orbs of Light,
came to me in a hotel room andthe rest of my opportunity to be
(01:22):
an open psychic over time iswhat happened.
It took 10 years to become moreopen about it.
I had to overcome my own thingsin my own mind about what a
psychic is and what a lawyer isand how does that all fit?
And what I realized is thingsfit nicely when you just allow
things to flow.
If you try to force things intothe respective positions, you're
going to have resistance withinyourself and from without, in
(01:44):
society and beyond, and I thinkif you allow things to flow and
you do things in a certain way,your truths will come through
and authenticity and you can be.
You know I have had, as I wastelling you earlier, my schedule
varies between my three rolesof a podcaster, psychic and a
lawyer and I feel like this ismy time Like just like we all
have our time that we feel thecomfort of things.
(02:06):
I would just tell anyone in theaudience if you ever feel like
it's not your time, it's goingto come.
You'll have everything thatflows together really nicely and
as a psychic, I've enjoyed that.
After struggling internally atfirst, I'm at peace with myself
and my own authentic aspects ofthings to be who I am a psychic,
a lawyer and a podcaster.
I also like the idea of doingproduction work down the road,
(02:28):
but the lawyer work is what isvery pressing right now and my
day job, as I'll call it andthen I do the other things
around it.
Call it and then I do the otherthings around it.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Well, before we get into the conversation, would you
join me in a mindful moment sothat we can ground ourselves and
connect in our hearts?
Absolutely, and for thelisteners, as you always hear my
spiel safety first.
If you're driving or if you areneeding your visual, please
don't close your eyes.
Yet the other prompts you canfollow.
(02:58):
So, jason, I'll ask you to getcomfortable in your seating and
you're going to gently closeyour eyes and you're going to
begin breathing in and outthrough your nose, bringing your
awareness to watching yourbreath go in and out.
You're not going to try andcontrol your breath.
You're just going to be awareof its rhythm, allowing it to
(03:22):
guide you into your body.
Rhythm, allowing it to guideyou into your body.
There may be sensations orfeelings coming up.
It's okay, let them come up.
You're safe to feel.
You're safe to let go.
Surrender the need to control,release the need to resist and
(03:48):
just be, be with your breath,drop deeper into your body.
There may be thoughts or to-dolists that have popped up in
your mind, and that's okay.
Gently bring your awarenessback to your breath, creating
space between the awareness andthe thoughts and dropping deeper
(04:08):
into your body, just being withthe breath Again, more thoughts
may have popped up.
That's okay.
Just bring your awareness backto your breath, beginning again,
creating even more spacebetween the thoughts and the
(04:31):
awareness and dropping deeperinto your body.
Just be with the breath.
With the breath Now, at yourown time and at your own pace.
You're going to gently openyour eyes while staying with the
(04:53):
breath.
How's your heart doing?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I will just tell you that's.
That was beautiful.
I love meditation.
My heart feels, it just feelsso grounded right now and, uh, I
love the way you say let thingsgo, feel the flow.
You know it's exactly it was.
It was very pleasant just toground ourselves like that, to
be in this thank you.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You know, when I uh introduced this about a year ago
onto the podcast, it was alittle unnerving, yet it was
like you know, instead oftelling people to meditate and
what the benefits bring, it intothe podcast so people can take
this two minutes and see likehow profound it is to take those
moments for yourself and, likeyou said, it's like sitting in
(05:37):
the confidence of just being youand and letting people join if
they want to join and if theydon't it's okay.
Yet you understand, you knowthe flow of life.
You mentioned psychic lawyerpodcasts.
So I know some people are likewhat are you?
What do you?
That's like all totallyopposite, analytical, open,
(06:00):
flowing connection.
Yet if you really look italmost sounds like mind, body
and soul.
So can you explain a little bithow you got into?
You know your gift of beingintuitive and and psychic and
what that means for you and howyou've defined it for yourself
(06:24):
it runs in my family is theeasiest way to say it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
It's genetic in part, but because my grandmother was
very, very psychic in herlifetime, my mom, other
relatives of mine I justhappened to, I think, have the
blessing that I understood thatbeing intuitive isn't something
that we necessarily sign up for,it's just a part of us.
Some people have awesome vision.
Some people can play music well, some are performing athletes.
(06:50):
I have that be intuitive and Ican pick up energy and my whole
life.
I never really thought muchabout it till my twenties when I
started having premonitions andidiosyncratic synchronicities.
I'll call it Like getting insomeone's car and we go for a
ride and next thing, you know,I'm grabbing the steering wheel
trying to keep us from hitting atruck that's coming off the
angle we didn't see beforehand.
Or just in life itself.
(07:12):
The journey I bet we all havethese journeys and it's whether
or not we accept the task athand to be an intuitive psychic.
For me it was the battle of, ifeverything fits so well in a
role in society, like being anattorney, why would you make
your life that much morechallenging to let people know
you're psychic?
And I flipped that around and Isay live at your full, your
(07:33):
full reach.
Live at your full potential,rather than worry or fear that
someone's going to misjudge youor look at you critically for
something they think doesn't fit.
Does it mean that you have tonot allow it to fit?
And in my own life I've done allthree to the best of my ability
.
I'm like number one as apsychic here in Tampa, without
even trying, and then as alawyer.
I've been doing it for 15 years, licensed in five states, and
(07:55):
then even as a podcaster my show.
So it's like when you get to dothree different things that are
like you said, it seems likeit's all over the spectrum.
But then I realized, as of soonas this year is all three
things that I've been doing.
I do it above average, I do itin a way where my passion comes
through and I enjoy it a lot.
So I have to ground myself.
That grounding exercise we dida little few minutes ago is what
I do for myself.
(08:16):
When I get excited, I'll go forwalks.
Things that I can do to live inthe present moment are
important.
So even though, if you havesome intuitive abilities, the
point I'm trying to say is it'spart of who we are and for me to
explain that I have thesedifferent roles.
It's like someone saying I'm amom, I'm a doctor and I run a
company.
People have different roles.
(08:37):
They do Mine.
Just have to be somewhat, withthe intuitive side mixed into
the legal and creative.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
When did you start discovering the intuitive part
in you?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I remember as a little child I came from a
single parent family in NewJersey and my grandmother used
to watch me at the time when mymom was teaching or was at work.
And I remember like saying tomy grandmother, I've been here
before deja vu, I feel likeeverything we're going through
today I can sense, I can seethings and I would say things
before they happened.
And I just remember as an earlyage I was told don't talk about
(09:15):
that to people in your lifeunless they understand it.
So early in my life I knewthere was semblance of something
prophetic dreams, like when youpick up dreams before they
happen of things.
I've had those happen over theyears.
And then it just became moreprevalent around the death of my
grandfather.
When he died I always had apremonition that when he, the
day he died, I'd be by myselfwith no one to console me.
Well, the day he actuallypassed I was in Wisconsin doing
(09:38):
a deposition on a work trip andI had no one around me to
console me.
But what was left out of thatpremonition was my grandfather
consoled me.
The orbs of light that came inthe room told me everything's
gonna be fine, son, don't worryabout me.
I love you, I'm always gonna bewith you.
I leaned into it and from thenon I had my first mediumship
experience, that night with oneof my best friend's grandmothers
who had been passed away a fewmonths.
(09:59):
Yeah, I slept with the lightson for 10 years out of initially
not knowing how this all fitstogether, but then, once I got
through that process, beingspiritual is like breathing and,
I think, air.
You know our breath has a lotto do with our spirituality.
Like you, you know when youmeditate or when you pray or
whatever it is, and so it's justsecond nature to me at this
(10:21):
point, but I've known my wholelife.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Now, you mentioned mediumship, so you know being
able to communicate with yourgrandfather, and that you held
space for your friend and theirgrandmother.
For some of the listeners theymay be, what are you talking
about?
Others will be like oh, tell memore, because I know what this
other side of love is.
Can you explain what that isand how you?
(10:45):
Well, it's your grandfatherthat brought you into further,
into your gift.
Yet how have you evolved in it?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Absolutely.
For anyone skeptical listeningto this, I'll just say close
your eyes like you did a fewminutes ago, and if you can
breathe, you can pick up on theother side.
Our breath and our love arewhat connect us, like the breath
is the vehicle, love is theumbilical cord.
And so for anyone who'sskeptical that they can't
communicate with their deceasedloved ones through dreams, I'll
say it's like this.
It's like synchronicity is avery strong natural force a lot
(11:15):
of us don't even know about.
It's like the invisible, subtleWi-Fi signal that we have to
put the pieces together andunderstand it.
But for me it goes like this,let's say in a morning.
I'll give you an example.
A couple of years ago, duringthe pandemic, I remember I was
really stressed out aboutfinances, like a lot of us were,
and my grandfather came to mein a dream and he said son,
tomorrow when you get up and I'mworking from my house, when you
(11:41):
get up, I want you around likesomething's going to happen.
Nothing, of course.
And throughout my day I had twonew signups for my law firm,
two new guests for my show andtwo requests for psychic
readings, and the last one camein at 2, 2, 2 PM and so I was
like, okay, that's ratherinteresting.
And then I zoomed out and Irealized, no matter how worried
or stressed we can be about ourpresent situations, you have to
(12:04):
see everything.
You've got to take the abilityto pretend like you're on your
iPhone to put the setting outwhere you zoom out the furthest.
And when you zoom out, you'regoing to realize that half of
our fear, half of our anxiety,whatever it is, it's within
ourselves.
It's not a real thing out there.
And so for me personally, mygrandfather has been a sign of
reassurance.
(12:25):
I get pennies from heaven inrandom places and spots when I'm
trying to make decisions inlife, and my grandfather will
come to me in a dream Later onI'll get a penny and then later
on I'll get something like anangel number 1111-111-222.
And it's the culmination of allthose things taken together how
, when you think about something, your deceased loved one comes
(12:46):
to you in a dream, then theysend you a penny, then you'll
see an angel number.
Those are all confirming things.
But if we look at them in avacuum, we'll say, oh, weird
numbers.
Oh, a penny on anyone.
A penny could happen fromanybody.
But it's how you look at it andpiece it all together.
It's like breadcrumbs spiritualbreadcrumbs that you can
connect the dots and getmessages from our loved ones.
(13:08):
And that's one of the thingsI've learned about in the last
20 years from communicating withmy grandfather, my father, my
aunt, who died I have more thanone, just one, relative and then
also, when I give readings topeople, the spiritual
breadcrumbs that come through areading, and it's very
enlightening and it's somethingthat now I look at 20 years
later.
Yeah, my life's been a littleinteresting in respect of having
(13:32):
all these things happen that askeptic might say you know, that
doesn't make any sense.
But I'm not here to persuadethe skeptics.
I'm here to validate the peoplewho have the experiences like
I'm describing, who don't knowwhat they are, and those
experiences can validate someonefrom either grieving, being
depressed, being scared andthat's where I feel our true
power comes is helping,comforting somebody who doesn't
(13:55):
have that comfort by allowingthem to see these kinds of
things that I pick up on.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Oh, okay.
So now you're in this and itsounds like you have you're in
the seat of worth and in yourconfidence, like you can feel
the electrical joy of being you,like you really can feel it.
It's like I can feel howpalpable that is.
(14:21):
I'm sure it wasn't always there, yeah.
So what did that journey looklike?
To really sit in the seat ofyour life, in your gifts and
being in that confidence.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
What a great question .
I want to say this Mentalhealth is big for me.
Mental health awareness is bigfor me.
I know after the last severalyears we've had the uncertainty
we're going through now and thesociety that we're in.
We have these events that areoutside of our control, be it
nature, elections, whatever.
And I'll just say that, for me,having the ability to find some
(14:56):
type of pattern, some type ofunderstanding amidst all these
things that are like topsy-turvy, that's been the thing for my
gifts or my abilities.
That I like the most is I canpierce through things and see
beyond things and send somethingto make normalcy out of things
that don't seem normal at all orthat don't make sense and don't
(15:17):
add up.
And I will just tell anyone whohas a mental health struggle,
because I have my own in my lifeand I do every day what I can
to maximize my life, meaningI'll wake up, I'll meditate,
I'll go for a walk.
If I go through a moment whereI feel sad or depressed about
something, I'll feel that too.
I've gone through a healingjourney the last couple of years
(15:38):
.
I found out I was a child oftrauma, didn't know that it was
like nice to meet you, jason,didn't know that this side of
you, as your child, that youwent through all these things,
that they were there.
But that healing journey wokeme up on a deeper level and it
also made me realize that sure,I could have this day.
You know these different rolesI do in life, but for myself,
when I struggle with a mentalhealth issue, I always bring
(15:59):
light to it and understand it,honor it and realize we all
struggle every day.
So in response to your question, and how am I more?
I'm more confident.
Yep, I'm happy, I love what Ido.
I still deal with my ownchallenges and struggles inside,
like most of us do.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I think you know the reason why I do the work that I
do is holding space and allowingpeople to feel, in a world that
it feels so threatening to feelyour emotions and that you're
supposed to just be somethingother and portray.
You know, this sense ofstrength.
It's like well, when you allowyourself to feel your array of
(16:35):
emotions.
I think that's where theconfidence comes that you start
to recognize.
Oh, the journey I've beenlooking for is home inside my
body and creating safety and theauthentic you know where
everybody's like I want to be myauthentic self with means.
You're going to have to feelyour authentic emotions and not
do a la carte of I just want tobe happy and everything is just
(16:57):
so blissful.
It's like you know you're goingto have helplessness, you're
going to have grief, you'regoing to have fear, all these
different arrays.
It's just remembering not toidentify with it and so pardon.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I want to add something when you're done.
I'm sorry to interrupt Go ahead, go ahead.
Authenticity can be one of themost uncomfortable and messiest
things we go through,unpredictable.
I've had relationships withpeople I've severed over the
years because they weren'tliving up to their authentic
self with me and I felt that andI knew it and I had to move
forward.
And it can be very.
This year I've been through alot of upheaval.
(17:33):
Before you know, we got intoFebruary, my mom fell broke.
Her arm, moved in with me, Iswitched job, stuff, and that
created a vacuum for a while andthen I realized everything
happens for a reason, no matterhow you look at it, how you see
it.
And now I'm cherishing everymoment I have with my mom
(17:54):
because she's not going to behere forever.
And a lot of people look attheir parents and worry about
when their parent crosses overand I'll say look, spend time
with your parent now if you can,even if they may not need to
live with you, spend the timewith them.
Give them that opportunity.
Like I bought a recorder thingthat my mom's going to record
and let her have her voice totalk about her life in her own
way, and I'm going to use thatas a creative passion of mine
(18:14):
down the road.
I think we should do stuff likethat for our elders, give them
that respect, and I'm saying notevery day is easy, but being
authentic to yourself is doingthings uncomfortable and
trusting that in the end,everything's going to come
together the way it needs to.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And I think there's honesty.
Honesty requires that messiness, that you know what you're not
going to know what you're doingall the time.
Sometimes the emotions,triggers, are going to be there.
Yet it's being there foryourself and, like we did at the
beginning, take a breath, youknow, regulate yourself, feel
whatever you need to feel sothat you can see what's
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presently in front of you andnot be stuck in that head of
ours that tries to control pastand future.
It's like no, no, come backinto the body, be present in the
now, which your breath isalways in.
I want to ask you this part so,because you're're you know,
you're in your gift of intuition, you're in your gift of
(19:15):
mediumship, of being able tocommunicate on the other side of
love.
Your mother is on this side oflove.
How do you think you will beable be in the experience when?
If you might be able to be inthe experience when, if it might
be you before, yet if you'restill on this side, what will,
what do you think that will looklike for you going through that
(19:36):
experience of that transition,knowing what you know?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, and interestingly enough and this is
me being a human, fulldisclosure for full authenticity
that's going to be one of thetoughest days of my life.
I'm going to tell you why.
My mom's my best friend and,coming from a single parent
family, I was a sick child withpneumonia nine times, almost put
in one of those bubbles Wayback when as an infant.
My mom went through all thosesacrifices with me as a sick
baby and our journey togetherfor all these years.
(20:03):
As most single parents know,they struggle financially and
then they struggle througheverything else until everything
gets stable and then, hopefully, at that point you can
reciprocate and give back, butnonetheless it's going to be one
of the toughest parts of mylife I haven't.
I'll tell you this as a psychic.
My mom's also intuitive.
My grandfather's come to mesince she's moved in and he'll
(20:23):
come to me in a dream and then Iwake up and I'll go talk to her
because she's on the couch inthe living room.
When I get up in the morningShe'll be like, oh, I had the
most amazing dream with grandpa.
I was like, oh, wait me too.
And my grandfather told me andmy mom believes the same thing.
We both believe, god willing,knock on wood that she'll
minimally live another threeyears, that she's 78 in December
, that she'll live to her early80s, like my grandfather did did
(20:50):
, and he's come back severaltimes to kind of let us know
that.
So she and I are both under thepreparation that in three years
or so, god willing, that's thetime we have together.
I got time to prepare, she'sgot time to prepare.
But I also know the way mygrandfather is with me.
She's never leaving me.
She's always going to pop in atthe right moments and give me
the advice and that feedback Ineed, even on the other side.
You know I get it now from mygrandfather, my dad and others
(21:12):
and I know she'll be one ofthose pivotal forces.
But it's going to be a challengefor me.
It's like you look at your ownlife in respect to those you
love when they cross over andyou've got to realize that there
is a letting go, part of ourphysical meat bodies, as I'll
call our physical bodies.
Bodies here are like our youknow our costumes here that we
(21:32):
wear, that our avatars.
But then when we cross over,the beauty of that is love holds
us all together.
They can zoom in on us andwatch us like we're their
reality show and for us it'slike we.
We have to recognize thoseblessings in order to receive
them and cherish and appreciate.
So for me, the short answer toquestion it's going to be a
really hard time for me whenthat happens, but I also know
(21:54):
I'm going to be getting hurt allthe time.
So it's like what you don't getin physical form you'll get in
spiritual form.
But you got to just know thatthere's an ascension that occurs
when we die.
We're not dust in the wind, wecross over, we ascend it.
We're not dust in the wind, wecross over, we ascend.
It's like graduating and we'reon the other side with everyone
else and then we get to beconnected with them from here.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Thank you for that honesty Because you know it's
one thing knowing something.
I have a friend that I havebeen supporting through her
pancreatic cancer journey beensupporting through her
pancreatic cancer journey andtwo weeks ago we got into a
medical crisis in the ER and DNRconversations were there and it
(22:40):
didn't look good at all.
And so when I finally came outof the room cause I'd been with
her for like nine hours straightand I just saw her body go
through something reallytraumatic when I came out of the
room I just allowed myself tojust weep and I'm usually the
one that people come to weepwith.
Yet I allowed that space.
(23:01):
And then they were like, hey,come on and going through the ER
and seeing that my tears werecreating like uncomfortableness
to people in the yard waiting togo into these rooms, and then
when I got outside, I justdropped on the pavement and I
just screamed from the bottom ofmy belly Just let that
(23:23):
animalistic part out of thathelplessness.
That uncontrolled securitysurrounded us and my friend was
like no, no, it's okay.
And then they both like.
They were like okay, let's walk.
And while we were walking downthe ramp I turned to my head and
I could see the sunset.
It was so beautiful and in myweeping I'm like, look how
(23:43):
beautiful the sunset is.
And it gave me a bit of youknow, get off the ground, being
the groundless like you're.
You're too much tethered intothe human part and you're not
feeling the fear.
The fear is stopping you and Ilet myself feel that humanness
part and release.
(24:04):
And then, you know, got back andwent back in there and she came
back online and she wasreleased on Friday, did her
first new treatment Tuesday andis doing well.
So it it, it does a bit of amind fuck to your mind, cause
you're like I felt all this,like it was grief and we weren't
going to be there, yet You'restill here and that it happened
(24:27):
the Monday.
The Tuesday I had a massageschedule and I was going to
cancel but I was like no, yougot to take care of yourself.
And so I went and the personsaid it sounds like you're not
ready for her to leave and Isaid no, I'm not.
And in that massage I reflectedon that and it was like you
know better, that's just fear.
(24:47):
You know that you'll still beable to communicate with her.
You have to let go of the fearso that you can have the courage
to show up right now in theliving.
And it was very profound.
Doesn't mean that like it's notchallenging and difficult, like
when we did treatment onTuesday, somebody one of the
nurses asked how I was and Ishedded some tears and she's
(25:10):
like, oh my gosh and sorry, andfriend's, like everything's
going to be okay.
And I was like I know it is.
Yet I can be vulnerable, I canfeel my emotions and still be
okay and hold, you know, thespace and everything else.
So I thank you for that honesty, because sometimes people can
do that performative andstoicism and and maybe you know
(25:31):
they they're able to recognizethat and not go through the
grief in that manner.
Um, I just appreciate thehonesty so other people can
relate and not attack themselvesthat oh, I had emotions.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
It's like, yeah, that's what love is like, that's
what we need emotions we needthose emotions and you know as
you just said, that I wasthinking back how we all have
that inner child insideourselves.
That eight-year-old isterrified when things become not
as easy to understand.
Things don't fit nicely andneatly, you know, when you deal
with illness.
I had cancer in 2018.
It was stage one only, thankgod, but it jostled my world and
(26:06):
changed who I am profoundly.
Every day is, you know, a newbeginning for us and, with your
friend, my heart goes out to youbecause I know how
gut-wrenching, how hard that canbe and how painful, and I can
tell you that the best thingyou're doing is letting it out.
The best thing you're doing isable to communicate it, but then
you're able to see that sunsetand that sunset's showing you
(26:29):
that it's OK.
It's like a pat on the backspiritually.
It's OK, you're going to be OK,going forward.
Just know that.
And that's a consistency, right, because you know the sun sets
regularly each night.
Whether the clouds are up, ahurricane's out there or
something else, that sun'salways going to set and that
sun's always going to rise backup, always going to set, and
that sun's always going to riseback up, and once you look at
(26:51):
that that's.
That's that's like God's way ofreassuring you that, even
though you feel thisunpredictability and this fear
and all these other things, when, when it all comes together,
you'll have peace later in thefuture, you're not going to feel
that disruptive, um, thosechaotic feelings.
It's going to.
It's going to settle down andyour friend I think she's
extremely lucky to have you.
I will just say this One of mygreatest fears of life, my whole
(27:15):
life, was that I'll be alone,and during the pandemic I was
alone a lot, and even now, yeah,my mom lives with me.
I love it, but in the futureI'll be alone again.
And it's like sometimes you gotto deal with your own fears by
taking them head on and tacklingthem and surrounding yourself
with people who love you,surrounding yourself.
We all have that quest rightand it's not always easily to
(27:36):
put together.
You're going to have momentswhere you want to lay down on
the floor, kick your knees upand scream like you're having
one of those episodes, but atthe same time, that's what makes
us part of the human experiencetoo.
But at the same time, that'swhat makes us part of the human
experience too.
I feel that I wouldn't want tobe a stoic Spartan, the 300, one
(27:56):
of those people that has noemotions.
I think one of my greatestthings, at least that I've
understood and really appreciate, is the fact that I could tap
into my emotions and be realabout it and then let them sit
within me and then utilize thatto hopefully learn from and heal
from and then utilize that tohopefully learn from and heal
from what I was.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
How I was describing it to people.
It was like I have the stoicism, yet I have the vulnerability
too, and they're both blendedtogether.
It's not picking one or theother, it's not suppressing my
emotions and being strong andit's not being vulnerable and
not being able to do anything.
It was blending the twotogether.
So, thank you, and I keephearing how lucky she is.
(28:34):
Yet I'm lucky also to be ableto walk that journey.
And, you know, develop thecourage.
Develop the courage to stilllook in the fragility of life,
really understand the unknownand uncertainty and see death
for what it is, that it's thereto spark you to live, live in
(28:55):
the moment, and it'selectrifying, it's palpable,
it's a beautiful gift, so I'mthankful for it.
I want to bring you into areflective question.
I want to ask you to bring thisawareness right now and to go
back to your 18-year-old self,and you have three words to tell
(29:17):
your 18-year-old self to carryyou to the journey right now.
What would those words be?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Confidence, consistency I get the word
careful meaning like be carefulhow I navigate through life's
challenges, but be confident,consistent with myself, like not
to fear things and and I knowthey all came out with you know
C's for whatever reason, butthat's what I'm picking up on to
be consistent with myself, notto fear anything and to be and
(29:44):
to be able to look at everythingand keep going and not and not
reflect on it in a negative way.
If I was 18 right now, that'sthe most important thing I'd say
to myself is, whenever you getthose people that try to be
negative towards you, wheneveryou get somebody who says you
can't do this, whenever you getsomebody who says you failed or
you suck, whatever people try tothrow at us, learning not to
(30:06):
let that criticism be baked intoyourself, right, we all have
those things where we fear, wehave self-fulfilling,
self-defeating thoughts,self-sabotaging all those things
, and I think when you're 18versus when you're, say, I'm 49
right now, 30, 40 years later,30 years later, it makes you
appreciate like what's ahead foryou, cause you can see, looking
(30:26):
back on it.
If any of us can look back onour life and see ourselves from
that stage to now, I know itwould be like oh my, I would be
your coach to myself, I'd be myown coach.
I'd be you can do this, you cando this and allow yourself to
enjoy that journey and takerisks.
Because I was one of thosepeople that wanted to rock the
boat too much.
When I was younger, I wanted todo everything, fit into all the
(30:47):
roles I had to do.
Be was younger, I wanted to doeverything, fit into all the
roles I had to do.
Be an overachiever, doeverything the best way I could,
but I didn't want to rock theboat.
Now I would rock the boat alittle more and not fear that I
would take some risks, and I'dbe consistent with that.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Thank you.
Thank you for that.
Now I know many listeners arelike, okay, where do I find
Jason and what does he have tooffer?
So could you let the listenersknow where they can find you and
what you have?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Absolutely.
I go by the social psychic as ahandle on most social media.
On Instagram I'm at the T H Eunderscore social underscore
psychic.
My website iswwwthesocialpsychiccom, my law
website.
For anyone out there that wantsto see my legal stuff, it's
wwwcofollowlawcom.
(31:33):
That's my legal name,c-i-o-f-a-l-o law dot com.
I do insurance stuff and takeon insurance companies on
hurricanes and disaster work forhomeowners, businesses and
whatnot, and then just basicallyyou can find me.
I have a pretty big presence onsocial media.
My show is called the SocialPsychic Radio Show.
It's in its sixth season rightnow.
And I'm on another show calledPsychic Visions with my best
(31:55):
friend, megan Cain withElectrocast Media and that's on
its second season right now.
And if anyone's interested injoining a paranormal network, we
have a network calledParanormal Universe with
Electrocast, for anyone who'sspiritual has their own podcast
and they want to podcast in asafe place, we have that as well
.
So there's just various things.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I have that are available, and I'll be sure to
connect that all into the shownotes so that people have easy
access to you at any time.
Listeners, if there was atingle, if there was an opening,
that is your limbic systemletting you know Jason has
something that would beinformative.
So connect with him, just senda message, just be curious,
(32:41):
allow your curiosity to beunleashed so that you can
connect with Jason and that hemay possibly be able to show you
an opening within yourself thatyou didn't even know was there.
So, jason, I want to thank youso much for enriching myself and
the listeners with yourpresence, your energy.
It's always a delight to be inyour presence.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
That pleasure is mine .
I deeply appreciate you havingme on and I thank your audience
for listening to our interviewand our discussion.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Please remember to be kind to yourself.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Hey, you made it all the way here.
I appreciate you and your time.
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out.
If there was somebody thatpopped into your mind, take
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It's that they know somebodythat will benefit from listening
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So please take action and shareout the podcast.
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(33:56):
I'm into a discovery callLiftOneSelfcom.
Until next time, pleaseremember to be kind and gentle
with yourself.
You matter.
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