May 26, 2025 โข 35 mins
Unlock Hidden Childhood Blocks: A Live Hypnotherapy Breakthrough
Vulnerability takes center stage as podcast host Nat bravely undergoes a live hypnotherapy session, revealing the childhood roots of her creative blocks. This intimate exploration with RTT hypnotherapist Karoline Fisher offers listeners a rare glimpse into the therapeutic process that connects present struggles with past experiences.
The session unfolds with Karoline guiding Nat into a relaxed, suggestible state through mindful breathing and visualization. What follows is a powerful journey into two pivotal childhood memories: being publicly criticized by a teacher at age nine, leaving her feeling "stupid" and "small," and having spontaneous joy shut down at age four, teaching her that openness and expressiveness weren't safe.
Through Carolina's expert guidance, we witness Nat express emotions her younger self couldn't articulate, reframe limiting beliefs, and integrate these healed aspects of her inner child. The transformation is palpable as Nat describes feeling "lighter" with physical sensations of release.
Beyond the personal journey, this episode serves as a masterclass in understanding how our subconscious mind works. Karoline explains that hypnotherapy isn't about being asleep but accessing deep suggestibilityโdemonstrated when Nat's body physically responds to the mere suggestion of tasting lemon juice. This mind-body connection reveals how deeply our thoughts influence our actions and capabilities.
For anyone struggling with creative blocks, procrastination, or feeling stuck in patterns they can't seem to break, this episode offers both hope and practical insight. It demonstrates that healing happens when we bring our wounds into the light and reconnects us with the understanding that our bodies hold wisdom about our emotional experiences.
Ready to explore what might be blocking your own creative expression or personal growth? Find Karoline Fisher at www.whyhypnotherapy.com and remember to subscribe to the Lift One Self podcast for more conversations that break mental health stigmas through authentic connection.
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Episode Transcript
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NatNat (00:00):
Welcome to the Lift One Self podcast, where we break
mental health stigmas throughconversations.
I'm your host, nat Nat, and wedive into topics about trauma
and how it impacts the nervoussystem.
Yet we don't just leave youthere.
We share insights and tools ofself-care, meditation and growth
(00:21):
that help you be curious aboutyour own biology.
Your presence matters.
Please like and subscribe toour podcast.
Help our community grow.
Let's get into this.
Oh, and please remember to bekind to yourself.
Welcome to the Lift One Selfpodcast.
I'm your host, nat Mat, andtoday I am going into
(00:42):
vulnerability again.
I have a guest that's going towalk me through a session.
So many of you may not know themodality that she is engaged in
.
Yet, as I said, I want to bringthese conversations and these
modalities out to people so thatthey can see there's so much
help out there.
So, carolina, could youintroduce yourself to the
(01:04):
listeners and tell us a littlebit about yourself?
Karoline Fischer (01:07):
Yeah, so my name is Carolina Fisher and I'm
an RTT hypnotherapist andemotional healer and I work with
a lot of issues that we usuallyhave our blocks or patterns in
the subconscious.
So hypnosis works with thesubconscious, hence you can
(01:28):
transform any pattern ofthinking and pattern of action,
behavior on that level.
NatNat (01:35):
So before we started recording, you said that you
would be so gracious to walk methrough a little mini session.
So this is a warning to thelisteners through a little mini
session.
So this is a warning to thelisteners.
What you're going to hear andexperience is in a full session,
that Carolina offers to her Now.
Karoline Fischer (01:51):
so what would you like to work on in this
session?
NatNat (01:55):
I'd like to work on.
What is the blockage that hasme completing the book, writing
the book?
Karoline Fischer (02:03):
So why is there something blocking me from
writing the book and what is it?
NatNat (02:08):
Okay, perfect, will you join me in a mindful moment.
Okay, and for the listeners, asyou always hear, safety first.
Please do not close your eyesif you're driving or need your
visual, yet the other promptsyou're able to follow.
So, carolina, if you'recomfortable in your seating and
if it's safe to do so, gentlyclose your eyes and you're going
(02:31):
to begin breathing in and outthrough your nose and bringing
your awareness to watching yourbreath go in and out.
You're not going to controlyour breath.
You're just going to be awareof its natural rhythm, allowing
it to guide you into your body.
(02:53):
There may be sensations orfeelings coming up.
That's okay.
You're safe to feel.
You're safe to let go,surrender the need to control,
(03:14):
release the need to resist andjust be, be with your breath,
drop deeper into your body.
Now there may be some thoughtsor to-do lists that have popped
up.
That's okay.
Gently, bring your awarenessback to your breath, creating
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space between the awareness andthe thoughts and dropping deeper
into your body, being in thespace of presence, the space of
(03:55):
being.
Again, more thoughts may havepopped up.
Gently, bring your awarenessback to your breath, creating
even more space between theawareness and the thoughts and
surrendering into the body,being in the space of presence,
(04:17):
of being, of flow, now keepingthat awareness on your breath,
coming into your senses, intothe moment, at your own time and
(04:43):
at your own pace.
You're going to gently openyour eyes while staying with the
breath.
Karoline Fischer (04:48):
Beautiful.
I'm going to just close my eyesagain, and I ask you to do so
too.
And now that you're in thisrelaxed state, I want you to
have your hands right next toyour body and your feet not
quite touching.
We're going to do a littlereflex now that gets us deeper
into hypnosis.
And then on the next breath, onthe exhale, and as your eyelids
(05:09):
shut down, the muscles andnerves in and around your eyes
are becoming heavy, droopy,drowsy, and your eyelids are
starting to feel right now, asif they've been glued shut,
sealed shut, locked tight adrifting, floating feeling to
develop in your body.
There's nothing you need tomake happen in hypnosis.
(05:30):
You just let things happen toyou.
And in that spirit of lettingthings happen to you, I want you
to sense a staircase, come toyou with 10 steps, and that
staircase is right in front ofyou, so you can drop your chin a
little if you want to, to getthat feeling of looking down a
staircase.
And on the bottom of thatstaircase there's a place that's
(05:55):
so wonderful for you, that'sdeep inside of you, and that's a
place where you've always knownthat you can easily finish the
book, known that you can easilyfinish the book that you want to
finish writing the book,creating it.
You're supported, you're loved,you're important, you belong,
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and I'm going to walk you downthose 10 steps to that place.
I'm going to walk you backwards, from 10 to 1.
And as I count backwards,you're going to see your feet,
hear your feet and feel yourfeet treading each step.
So, naturally, you're moving onto step 10, as each muscle,
every nerve turns loose, letsloose, and you go deeper.
You're taking step 9.
You can see your feet makingcontact with every step as you
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go deeper.
You can see your feet makingcontact with every step as you
go deeper.
You're taking step eight.
You're halfway down, goingdeeper with every number I count
.
You're taking step four, aseach muscle, every nerve turns
loose, lets loose, and you'regoing deeper into an awareness
of yourself, into an awarenessof yourself.
So, nat, we already know howdeeply suggestible you are,
(07:06):
because you have given yourselfsuggestions all these years
about finishing up something, orfinishing up a book, or writing
a book, or having success, orbeing independent, and those
suggestions might not be true,but your mind still believes
them, and that's the same forall of us.
Our mind believes what we tellit and that's very normal.
(07:27):
Today, you're going to learn totell it much healthier things,
and that in itself is going tochange your life.
And I'm going to show you howpowerful your mind is, how
powerful and suggestible it is.
I want you to stay exactlywhere you are.
You don't even need to lift afinger in front of your inner
eye.
I want you to stay exactlywhere you are.
You don't even need to lift afinger in front of your inner
eye.
I want you to just see a lemonand you bring it to your mouth.
(07:51):
You squeeze that lemon intoyour mouth.
So this is just to show you howpowerful and suggestible you
are, and I know you knew thatbefore, but I just wanted to
show you so you could reallyfeel it.
Because your mind told your bodythere was lemon juice.
There was no real lemon juice,but your body does what your
mind says.
So your body said oh okay,there's lemon juice, so I'm
(08:12):
going to act as if there's lemonjuice.
And that's the same witheverything else.
Right?
When we talk about book orfinishing something or doing
something amazing oraccomplishing a goal, then our
mind also filled by things thatother people might have told you
and told us.
Right.
Our mind might tell us oh, youcan't finish that right.
(08:34):
Then our body is going to say,oh okay, I can't finish that
right, I'm going to do whateveryou say.
I'm not good enough for that?
Oh, okay, you're not goodenough, so right, I'm gonna act
accordingly.
So that's exactly what the bodydoes and how the mind and body
play together.
Hypnosis is a sleep of thenervous system, but it's not
(08:55):
about being asleep, it's aboutbeing suggestible.
And now I'm going to tell youthat your eyes are glued shut,
sealed shut, locked tight, somuch so that just the thought of
opening them is something youreally can't be bothered by.
Your eyes are sealed shut,fused shut, locked together.
Go deeper, find their lockedshut, find their sealed tight,
(09:16):
go deeper, find their gluedtogether, go deeper and deeper
and deeper.
You're responding and you cansee in that net how incredibly
suggestible you are.
And now that you're in thissuggestible state, we're going
to go right there and we'regoing to ask your subconscious
why is it that you can't finishyour book, or what is holding
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you back?
So, on five, we're going to godeeper into that internal
awareness that plays deep downinside of you, the bottom of
that staircase.
And on four, just take a deepbreath in and out.
And on three, just see theyears peel off, view the weeks,
the months, the days, and as yougo back you're becoming younger
(10:03):
, maybe smaller, depending onhow far back you're going to go.
And you're going to a scene thatis the exact reason why you
have a block of finishing yourbook.
And on two, that scene justfloats to you so easily, so
effortlessly.
That scene, that is the exactreason why you haven't finished
your book, or why you're havinga hard time to finish your book.
(10:26):
And on one, that scene is justright there with you.
That scene, that is the exactreason why you're having a hard
time finishing your book.
That scene feels as if it wasyesterday.
You feel it, you hear it, yousee it.
And if a scene came up, are youinside or outside?
NatNat (10:44):
A bit above.
Karoline Fischer (10:46):
Where are you, and is it day or night?
NatNat (10:50):
Day.
Karoline Fischer (10:52):
And how old are you?
Approximately Nine or ten?
Tell us a little.
What's happening here?
Are you by yourself?
Where are you?
What are you feeling?
I'm in a classroom, so you'rewith other kids, and what are
you feeling?
What's happening here?
NatNat (11:06):
There's a teacher and I feel like I'm standing up and
she's scolding me andfrustrating.
Karoline Fischer (11:14):
So the teacher is scolding you in front of
everyone.
Yeah, and how does that makeyou feel?
NatNat (11:23):
Small like I don't matter and there's no point.
And she's scolded you becauseit feels like the way I present
my work and the way that I writeand there's a lot of
frustration on the mistakes thatI make.
Karoline Fischer (11:42):
A lot of frustration from her side,
correct?
And then, of course, youinternalize that probably, so
you feel small, like you don'tmatter.
Is there any other feeling thatcomes up?
NatNat (11:58):
Anger, some sadness and then some numbing.
Karoline Fischer (12:07):
Numbing yeah, that's very emotionally right.
Numbing is a very intelligentsurvival strategy, right.
And what are you thinking asthat nine 10-year-old Natalie in
this scene?
NatNat (12:19):
There's no point.
Karoline Fischer (12:20):
Any other thought that you have?
NatNat (12:22):
I'm a little angry of being embarrassed.
Karoline Fischer (12:26):
So angry at yourself because you're
embarrassed A little bit on me,a little bit on her.
NatNat (12:33):
It's a female teacher.
Yeah, she just feels like abitch.
It's like there's no space tofeel open or supported part of
me that is trying to come out,yet the majority of me just
numbs and shuts down and it's.
There's no point if this iswhat she says and that's what it
(12:56):
is.
There's another part that'ssaying they don't know your
story so there's a kind of ahelplessness.
Karoline Fischer (13:03):
But then part of that anger is also what does
she know?
Or she doesn't know my story,so how can she judge me?
Yeah, yeah, is there anythingelse in that scene that you want
to share, anything else thatthe nine, ten year old natalie's
thinking or feeling?
NatNat (13:24):
and I'm stupid and I'm ugly that I don't know how to
get it right.
Not smart enough.
There's a part that doesn'twant to care and it's like they
just don't understand.
They don't understand, theydon't understand, and that I
just don't want to play the game.
Karoline Fischer (13:45):
Anything else in that scene that you want to
share.
No, beautiful, we're going towork with that scene soon, for
right now, on five, I want youto just let that scene move away
as effortlessly and easily asit came to you, move away as
effortlessly and easily as itcame to you.
And then, on four, I want youto go deeper into that beautiful
space of yours, that bottom ofthat staircase, that deep
internal awareness of yours,that place where you've always
(14:07):
known you are smart, you areimportant and you are all those
things and you are supported andloved and belong.
And on three, you see the yearspeel off you again, the months,
the weeks, the days, and you'regoing back and you're becoming
younger and maybe smaller andyou're going back again to a
scene.
That is the exact reason whyyou have a hard time finishing
(14:28):
this book and why you don'talmost let yourself finish this
book now.
And on two, that scene justfloats to you so easily,
effortlessly.
That scene, that second scene,that is the exact reason why
there's something holding youback finishing this book.
And on one, that scene is justthere with you.
It feels like it was yesterday.
(14:48):
That scene.
That is the exact reason whyyou have something in the way of
finishing your book, why you'reholding yourself back on some
level.
You feel it, you see it, youhear it, and if a a second scene
came, are you inside or outside?
A bit of both, it was veryclear.
NatNat (15:06):
Is it day or night?
Karoline Fischer (15:07):
it's day, it's very bright very bright, and
how old are you in this oneapproximately?
Or tell me what's going on here.
Where are you?
What are you doing?
NatNat (15:17):
I'm very light, it's very pleasant and very giddy and
happy and I'm just spinningaround.
But then I feel dizzy and mymom feels annoyed and telling me
I shouldn't have been spinning.
That's why I'm sick.
Now, this memory, there islightness to it because it's so
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bright, the sun is shining inand I can feel in my body that
there's something Although Ilabel that as very carefree and
happy, my body right now isreacting that there's something
about that memory.
Karoline Fischer (15:57):
Something about that memory.
You feel very bright and lightat the beginning, but then I can
still feel that brightness.
NatNat (16:05):
yet Right now my body's reacting with some tension and
stiffness that there wassomething else there.
Karoline Fischer (16:15):
You think it is that your mother tells you
that you shouldn't have donethat.
She's annoyed and now you'resick because of the spinning.
Don't do it again.
That was silly, I think.
So.
Yeah, and what are you feelingin this uh scene after the
lightness and giddiness is alittle overshadowed, or a lot
(16:36):
overshadowed by it's cut off.
NatNat (16:38):
It's it's the openness and the hyperactivity and the
just joyful has dimmed and itfeels like it has to be
contained instead of just beingfelt so it has to be contained,
and how does that make you feelsmall, less energy.
Karoline Fischer (17:02):
Less energy, any other feeling that's
connected to that?
NatNat (17:06):
a little bit of the nausea because I was spinning,
it just constricted the open andlightness, is now dark and and
rather than being in a big room,it feels like I'm in a small
closet and it doesn't feel safeto be open and excited and hyper
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and just carefree is thereanything else, any other feeling
or thought that comes up?
there was truth to the spinningand being nauseous.
It's just the part of beingopen and carefree.
That part feels like it wassquashed away and I can feel
like a knot in my stomach as Ispeak on that, anything else in
(17:52):
that scene that you want toshare.
It's almost like that's where Istarted splitting and not
trusting inside.
Yeah, when I think of thememory, it's very open and
carefree and light.
Yeah, as I said, the more thatI go into it, it's afterwards
that just shut down things.
Karoline Fischer (18:11):
I want you to, on five, just let that scene
float away as easily as it cameto you.
We're going to work with bothof those scenes.
And, on four, go deeper intothat internal awareness of yours
.
On three, I want you to just beaware, become aware of your
palms.
And then, on two, I want you tojust face your palms towards
the ceiling, just leave themwherever they are.
(18:31):
You don't need to higher themor lower them, just your palms
towards the ceiling, as if youwere holding things in your
palms.
And we're going to hold threepictures, so two pictures in
your left hand and one picturein your right hand.
So the first picture in yourleft hand is you're nine or 10,
you're in the classroom and yourfemale teacher is scolding you.
(18:51):
You have to stand up andeverybody's looking at you and
you feel really sad and angryand like there's no point, small
, like you don't matter, and youalso feel helpless.
But then you also have kind ofa thought like she does not know
my story.
So how can she say that?
And her words, though, also letyou believe that you're stupid,
(19:12):
that you're ugly, that youdon't know how to get it right,
not smart enough.
And then the second picture inthe left hand is your four and
you're spinning around so bright, you feel so light, so giddy,
and then you feel dizzy and yourmother is annoyed by you
spinning around and then shesees you're dizzy and nauseous
and she tells you you shouldn'thave been doing that because
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that's now why you're sick, andit cut off all that openness,
that giddiness, and you feellike you have to be contained
now.
So there's a black and whitething like yeah, you can't spin
anymore now, you can't be openanymore now, you can't be giddy
anymore now because it's justgonna make you nauseous almost
that it's.
You feel small, less energy, abit of nausea, constricted.
(19:56):
And then, on the right hand,the picture you have there is
you today that you are writing abook right now, but for some
reason you're holding yourselfback on one level or other to
finish it.
There might be other thingsattached.
So I want you to now compareboth hands and I want you to
just see if there's anyconnection between both of those
hands.
NatNat (20:17):
Yeah, tell me how but if I write, I'll be ridiculed and
proven that I'm stupid.
And why would you writesomething?
There's nothing of value, anyother connection, the fear of
being seen feeling unsafe I alsofelt like right.
Karoline Fischer (20:34):
that light, that giddiness is so much part
of the creation, of creatingright, and the book is creating
something so big, feels like aheavy responsibility, like the
left hand, is very heavy, butthe right hand is light.
Oh good, it's actuallysomething you would feel so
excited about finishing and youwould feel so light if it was
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finished.
NatNat (20:58):
Yeah.
Karoline Fischer (20:59):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, so let's go back andreframe that in both of those
scenes so we can transform thatenergy and then really change
that going forward for you.
I want you to go back again tothat nine 10-year-old in the
classroom.
Maybe you can remember what youwore and how that felt on your
body, see the teacher in frontof you.
Maybe you also can see some ofthe students Look at the teacher
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and you could just say to herthose things that you felt at
the moment.
Before you didn't see there wasany space for you to say
anything, but now you can, right, and that nine, 10 year old is
still in you.
So we let her express herself.
So I would say to her youscolding me in front of everyone
made me really feel small andsad and stupid.
NatNat (21:45):
What I want to say is that you're miserable and you're
not helping, and this made mefeel really awful.
It's not encouraging me to wantto learn.
Now I don't even want to behere.
You're not helping me.
Even if I don't do it theproper way, you can still give
me a little bit of space to doit so I can learn in a different
(22:06):
way and you can approach itdifferently.
What would you have wished forher to do?
I wish she would have been moregentle, more understanding.
I wish she would have askedquestions to understand, not to
belittle.
I wish she would have givenquestions to understand, not to
belittle.
I wish you would have given mespace one-on-one, not in front
of everyone.
(22:27):
I feel embarrassed in front ofeverybody and I feel, like you
always pick on me, that I'm theeasiest part to put it all on.
Karoline Fischer (22:36):
And it's not fair.
And how does that make you feelMore open that it?
NatNat (22:39):
all on and it's not fair .
And how does that make you feelMore open?
That it was truth, I can feel.
Seen, what you said made mefeel like I wasn't good enough,
that I didn't have any value,that I wasn't intelligent.
Now I see that this was yourstuff and you just didn't know
how to teach and you were takingyour stuff out on me.
Karoline Fischer (23:01):
Yeah, so give her that back.
You can imagine a suitcase orwhatever comes up for you.
See you giving her something,physically, really giving her
something.
Yeah, and leave that with her.
And just tell me, how does thatmake you feel?
NatNat (23:15):
It brightens things.
It put me in a differentposition in the room.
Karoline Fischer (23:19):
Does that make some wheels move inside of you
Like turn some wheels.
NatNat (23:24):
Yeah, good, as I said, there's more openness.
Karoline Fischer (23:29):
Yeah, is there more lightness also, like ease?
Yeah, can she go now?
Can she leave that scene?
Or is there anything else youneed to tell her?
NatNat (23:42):
still feel um frustration and anger and I know
that that's not gonna changewhat the situation was.
I know that that's a protectivefeeling, that she needed to
affirm certain things in me andmy life would have been
different.
Karoline Fischer (24:02):
Yeah, and she didn't affirm things and and
that is so true your life wouldhave been different, right?
But now you're going back tothat nine, ten year old and
you're basically giving yourselfthe treatment that you needed
for your life to be different,right?
Yeah, so tell her everythingthat you still need to say,
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right?
NatNat (24:24):
I wish she would have affirmed me more and took the
time to mold me or to bring outthe thing that I was good at,
not just pointing out all thethings that were wrong.
And what feeling is behindthere?
Karoline Fischer (24:39):
there is encouragement of me seeing
myself and not needing her tosee me and what feeling is when
the nine-year-old says I wishshe would have done a sense of
helplessness, a sense I feelthat yeah of um not good enough,
a sense of loss yeah, so let'smourn that loss I just have the
(25:02):
sentence of I feel safe now.
NatNat (25:05):
I don't have to be in fear of hiding.
I can be me beautiful and I canmake mistakes, and it's okay,
uh-huh and is she still here?
Karoline Fischer (25:15):
No, okay, then she left, that's good.
So I want you to now step intothat space where the nine,
ten-year-old Natalie was, andstep in as the person you are
today and you establish eyecontact with her, emotional
connection with her through youreyes.
You love her so much, yousupport her so much.
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You're here, you hold space forany and everything that she
might need, want, desire, feel.
NatNat (25:43):
I love you, Natalie.
I'm always here for you.
Karoline Fischer (25:46):
I won't leave you.
NatNat (25:48):
I want to hear your thoughts and feelings.
I want to hear your needs.
I want to hear you read.
I want to read what you'vewritten.
I want to hear your stories.
You're to read what you'vewritten.
I want to hear your stories.
You're so creative.
You're so intelligent,beautiful.
Karoline Fischer (26:02):
There's so much to offer.
Gentle with yourself.
Anything else you want to tellher?
No, I would say you can go infor a hug if she wants that too,
and you can just exchange thatenergy through you know, like
chest to chest.
You just exchanged in words andonce you hugged it out, let her
float on top of you, looking inthe same direction.
(26:25):
She's turning around and thenshe's slowly through the crown
of your head getting into yourbody, floating into your body
and just feel that nine, 10 yearold Natalie's body.
Enter the healed version ofthat, a more expressed version.
See how that feels in you,because she was inside before
you too, but now it's adifferent version.
(26:46):
See how that feels for theadult Natalie now and see how
that feels for the nine, 10 yearold Natalie.
Just know that you cannot unfeelthis.
We can always come back to thisand what is in our body is
materialized.
Right, this is practical, aspractical as it gets.
It's in your body, great.
Now let's reframe that to thatsecond scene where you are four
(27:07):
years old.
You're spinning, you feel solight and giddy and just like
open and it feels so good, butthen that's totally closed off
by your mother, feeling annoyedand telling you you shouldn't
have been spinning, because nowthat's why you're sick.
So you totally cut off and allthat energy is cut off.
You feel small, constricted,it's like dark.
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I want you frustrated andannoyed.
NatNat (27:30):
Just didn't make me feel good and so I felt like I had
to bring down my energy becauseit was too much for you.
I interpreted it as my opennessand my high energy and
hyperactivity was something thatwasn't accepted by you.
(27:53):
I wanted your approval and tolove me, and I just didn't want
to see you tired and annoyed.
I felt I had to turn it off foryou to be happier.
And now that I know that youhad your own stuff and you're
doing the best you could, I justinterpreted that I needed to
turn off this energy.
(28:14):
It didn't feel safe for you togo into that space.
I internalized your behavior asthis openness and this
hyperactivity as being unsafeand that I'll get harmed and
make wrong choices.
I'm going to give that back toyou now because it's yours.
My openness and my creativityand being me is safe.
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I can discern, make choices formyself and, yeah, it's okay for
me to be excited.
It's not like somebody's gonnatake it away from me.
This, this can never be meagain, because that open,
creative, high energy space istotally there for me to delve in
and to play in and to expand,and it's totally safe.
Karoline Fischer (29:00):
Beautiful, and now you can give her also her
issues back in a suitcase orwhatever comes up, because they
are hers.
NatNat (29:08):
Kissed her on her cheek.
It's done Great.
Karoline Fischer (29:11):
You can also go into this space and hug the
four-year-old to thenine-year-old.
You'll see if the four-year-oldwants to hear some things also
from you.
NatNat (29:24):
You're safe to be open.
You're safe to be curious.
You're safe to see thingsdifferently than others.
It's safe what's inside?
Karoline Fischer (29:33):
you is safe.
Then you can hug it out again,turn around so she looks in the
same direction and then comeinto your body through the crown
of your head and now you havethat healed version of the
four-year-old in you before youhad that four-year-old version
of you in you too.
So just feel that, also Knowyou can always come back to that
feeling.
And since we are doing ashortened version, I'm just
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gonna ask you if you feel acertain completion.
NatNat (30:00):
Yeah, I feel present right now, beautiful, my left
hand isn't heavy anymore.
Karoline Fischer (30:08):
Beautiful and I'll just invite you to slowly
come back to the present moment.
I mean you are very present now, but just feel the room around
you, take a deep breath in andout and whenever you're ready,
you can open your eyes.
You were so good, like, how doyou feel?
Like I mean you have done somuch right and clearly because
(30:30):
you also do it on your podcast,so how are you feeling?
NatNat (30:34):
I mean you said already lighter, right, very vulnerable
because I'm like, while it washappening, I was like I have
snot running down my face, but Iwas like it is what it is, yeah
, and I don't know if you couldsee the tears coming down.
Karoline Fischer (30:48):
Oh yeah.
NatNat (30:49):
Oh, there was plenty of tears knew that my body was
finally feeling seen and beingable to surrender those defense
mechanisms and integrate toallow that integration.
I even saw the friction that Ihave with one of my twins, the
aversion that I get and it'slike, oh, it's this little girl.
(31:09):
It's all of that stuff thatcomes up and prickles me and it
was the seven-year-old that gotscolded by the teacher.
That embarrassment and notfeeling like I measure up in
inconvenience, that reacted withhow I feel sometimes with one
of the twins.
That I have so very powerful,very vulnerable.
Karoline Fischer (31:33):
I got so into it, I mean I really forgot that
we were on on camera too, onaudio, um.
But I guess a little bit I wasalways aware because I I did not
see tears even I was actuallysurprised how I was like, wow,
yeah, I guess I've done thatlong enough to be able to,
because I did it as if there wasno camera around actually, so I
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was like wow, but you alsoobviously created that space,
because you also went yeah, Iwent deep.
NatNat (32:02):
So that's why I said like I've done the work and
you'll have willingness, sothat's why it can flow the way
it can flow.
Um, so I wasn't and that's whythe vulnerability, as you can
see, I'm open, that okay.
Let's show people what thatinner work looks like, that
inner child and integrating, andsometimes you need a few of
these sessions to really feelthat embodied integration and
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everything else.
Well, I know the listeners wantto know now, where can I find
Carolina?
So could you let them knowwhere they can find you and what
you have to offer them.
Karoline Fischer (32:34):
So my website is wwwyhypnotherapy and the Y is
w-h-y-hypnotherapycom.
I have a profile on psychologytoday.
I have a Google businesswebsite that you can also find
when you type in my name intoGoogle or into any search engine
(32:55):
, and some people even reach outthrough social media.
I'm findable.
I guess that's a word, yeah.
NatNat (33:03):
Yeah, all your information will be in the show
notes.
So for the listeners, as youjust saw and or heard me go
through a process and you knowsome of those things that you
were able to do that process foryourself I would highly I am
like five-star recommending youto reach out to Carolina because
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she truly has a gift of safetyand being able to tap into the
body's wisdom and intelligenceso that you can do that
integration.
We all have our paths to getinto our healing and different
modalities and this for sure, isone of the modalities that will
quicken things for you tobetter understand, because once
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you tap into your body's wisdom,there's so much that gets
released and there's so muchthat you can, as she said, give
back to others, likeintellectually you can
understand, it's not my stuffYet the body needs to feel that
to be able to release thoseemotional charges that have been
ingrained as patterns for solong in that nervous system.
(34:08):
So, carolina, thank you so much.
I would love to have you backon a personal aspect so we could
ask you some personal questionsand get to know you a little
bit of how you got into this andyou know some vulnerability
about you, some reflectivequestions and stuff like that.
So I hope you'll come backagain as a guest.
I would love that.
Karoline Fischer (34:30):
Thank you so much for having me.
This was amazing.
Yeah, thank you.
This was amazing, yeah, thankyou.
NatNat (34:34):
And you know what.
Thank you for having yourvulnerability, because as a
professional and when we'reholding space for others, when
our role of parenting comes inand it kind of feels a little
messy it's like what do I do?
Yet I thank you for theconfidence and the courage of
being you and modeling to peoplewhat is possible that just
(34:55):
because you have a gift, itdoesn't mean it diminishes
because you're in these otherroles.
So thank you.
Karoline Fischer (35:01):
True, yeah, yeah, although I would never use
her in a session.
NatNat (35:05):
Of course.
Karoline Fischer (35:06):
Yeah, I would never have a session with her,
but thank you so much.
Yeah, yeah.
NatNat (35:11):
Thank you.
So please remember to be kindto yourself.
Karoline Fischer (35:15):
Thank you.
Welcome to the Lift One Self podcast, where we break
mental health stigmas throughconversations.
I'm your host, nat Nat, and wedive into topics about trauma
and how it impacts the nervoussystem.
Yet we don't just leave youthere.
We share insights and tools ofself-care, meditation and growth
(00:21):
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Your presence matters.
Please like and subscribe toour podcast.
Help our community grow.
Let's get into this.
Oh, and please remember to bekind to yourself.
Welcome to the Lift One Selfpodcast.
I'm your host, nat Mat, andtoday I am going into
(00:42):
vulnerability again.
I have a guest that's going towalk me through a session.
So many of you may not know themodality that she is engaged in
.
Yet, as I said, I want to bringthese conversations and these
modalities out to people so thatthey can see there's so much
help out there.
So, carolina, could youintroduce yourself to the
(01:04):
listeners and tell us a littlebit about yourself?
Karoline Fischer (01:07):
Yeah, so my name is Carolina Fisher and I'm
an RTT hypnotherapist andemotional healer and I work with
a lot of issues that we usuallyhave our blocks or patterns in
the subconscious.
So hypnosis works with thesubconscious, hence you can
(01:28):
transform any pattern ofthinking and pattern of action,
behavior on that level.
NatNat (01:35):
So before we started recording, you said that you
would be so gracious to walk methrough a little mini session.
So this is a warning to thelisteners through a little mini
session.
So this is a warning to thelisteners.
What you're going to hear andexperience is in a full session,
that Carolina offers to her Now.
Karoline Fischer (01:51):
so what would you like to work on in this
session?
NatNat (01:55):
I'd like to work on.
What is the blockage that hasme completing the book, writing
the book?
Karoline Fischer (02:03):
So why is there something blocking me from
writing the book and what is it?
NatNat (02:08):
Okay, perfect, will you join me in a mindful moment.
Okay, and for the listeners, asyou always hear, safety first.
Please do not close your eyesif you're driving or need your
visual, yet the other promptsyou're able to follow.
So, carolina, if you'recomfortable in your seating and
if it's safe to do so, gentlyclose your eyes and you're going
(02:31):
to begin breathing in and outthrough your nose and bringing
your awareness to watching yourbreath go in and out.
You're not going to controlyour breath.
You're just going to be awareof its natural rhythm, allowing
it to guide you into your body.
(02:53):
There may be sensations orfeelings coming up.
That's okay.
You're safe to feel.
You're safe to let go,surrender the need to control,
(03:14):
release the need to resist andjust be, be with your breath,
drop deeper into your body.
Now there may be some thoughtsor to-do lists that have popped
up.
That's okay.
Gently, bring your awarenessback to your breath, creating
(03:34):
space between the awareness andthe thoughts and dropping deeper
into your body, being in thespace of presence, the space of
(03:55):
being.
Again, more thoughts may havepopped up.
Gently, bring your awarenessback to your breath, creating
even more space between theawareness and the thoughts and
surrendering into the body,being in the space of presence,
(04:17):
of being, of flow, now keepingthat awareness on your breath,
coming into your senses, intothe moment, at your own time and
(04:43):
at your own pace.
You're going to gently openyour eyes while staying with the
breath.
Karoline Fischer (04:48):
Beautiful.
I'm going to just close my eyesagain, and I ask you to do so
too.
And now that you're in thisrelaxed state, I want you to
have your hands right next toyour body and your feet not
quite touching.
We're going to do a littlereflex now that gets us deeper
into hypnosis.
And then on the next breath, onthe exhale, and as your eyelids
(05:09):
shut down, the muscles andnerves in and around your eyes
are becoming heavy, droopy,drowsy, and your eyelids are
starting to feel right now, asif they've been glued shut,
sealed shut, locked tight adrifting, floating feeling to
develop in your body.
There's nothing you need tomake happen in hypnosis.
(05:30):
You just let things happen toyou.
And in that spirit of lettingthings happen to you, I want you
to sense a staircase, come toyou with 10 steps, and that
staircase is right in front ofyou, so you can drop your chin a
little if you want to, to getthat feeling of looking down a
staircase.
And on the bottom of thatstaircase there's a place that's
(05:55):
so wonderful for you, that'sdeep inside of you, and that's a
place where you've always knownthat you can easily finish the
book, known that you can easilyfinish the book that you want to
finish writing the book,creating it.
You're supported, you're loved,you're important, you belong,
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and I'm going to walk you downthose 10 steps to that place.
I'm going to walk you backwards, from 10 to 1.
And as I count backwards,you're going to see your feet,
hear your feet and feel yourfeet treading each step.
So, naturally, you're moving onto step 10, as each muscle,
every nerve turns loose, letsloose, and you go deeper.
You're taking step 9.
You can see your feet makingcontact with every step as you
(06:44):
go deeper.
You can see your feet makingcontact with every step as you
go deeper.
You're taking step eight.
You're halfway down, goingdeeper with every number I count
.
You're taking step four, aseach muscle, every nerve turns
loose, lets loose, and you'regoing deeper into an awareness
of yourself, into an awarenessof yourself.
So, nat, we already know howdeeply suggestible you are,
(07:06):
because you have given yourselfsuggestions all these years
about finishing up something, orfinishing up a book, or writing
a book, or having success, orbeing independent, and those
suggestions might not be true,but your mind still believes
them, and that's the same forall of us.
Our mind believes what we tellit and that's very normal.
(07:27):
Today, you're going to learn totell it much healthier things,
and that in itself is going tochange your life.
And I'm going to show you howpowerful your mind is, how
powerful and suggestible it is.
I want you to stay exactlywhere you are.
You don't even need to lift afinger in front of your inner
eye.
I want you to stay exactlywhere you are.
You don't even need to lift afinger in front of your inner
eye.
I want you to just see a lemonand you bring it to your mouth.
(07:51):
You squeeze that lemon intoyour mouth.
So this is just to show you howpowerful and suggestible you
are, and I know you knew thatbefore, but I just wanted to
show you so you could reallyfeel it.
Because your mind told your bodythere was lemon juice.
There was no real lemon juice,but your body does what your
mind says.
So your body said oh okay,there's lemon juice, so I'm
(08:12):
going to act as if there's lemonjuice.
And that's the same witheverything else.
Right?
When we talk about book orfinishing something or doing
something amazing oraccomplishing a goal, then our
mind also filled by things thatother people might have told you
and told us.
Right.
Our mind might tell us oh, youcan't finish that right.
(08:34):
Then our body is going to say,oh okay, I can't finish that
right, I'm going to do whateveryou say.
I'm not good enough for that?
Oh, okay, you're not goodenough, so right, I'm gonna act
accordingly.
So that's exactly what the bodydoes and how the mind and body
play together.
Hypnosis is a sleep of thenervous system, but it's not
(08:55):
about being asleep, it's aboutbeing suggestible.
And now I'm going to tell youthat your eyes are glued shut,
sealed shut, locked tight, somuch so that just the thought of
opening them is something youreally can't be bothered by.
Your eyes are sealed shut,fused shut, locked together.
Go deeper, find their lockedshut, find their sealed tight,
(09:16):
go deeper, find their gluedtogether, go deeper and deeper
and deeper.
You're responding and you cansee in that net how incredibly
suggestible you are.
And now that you're in thissuggestible state, we're going
to go right there and we'regoing to ask your subconscious
why is it that you can't finishyour book, or what is holding
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you back?
So, on five, we're going to godeeper into that internal
awareness that plays deep downinside of you, the bottom of
that staircase.
And on four, just take a deepbreath in and out.
And on three, just see theyears peel off, view the weeks,
the months, the days, and as yougo back you're becoming younger
(10:03):
, maybe smaller, depending onhow far back you're going to go.
And you're going to a scene thatis the exact reason why you
have a block of finishing yourbook.
And on two, that scene justfloats to you so easily, so
effortlessly.
That scene, that is the exactreason why you haven't finished
your book, or why you're havinga hard time to finish your book.
(10:26):
And on one, that scene is justright there with you.
That scene, that is the exactreason why you're having a hard
time finishing your book.
That scene feels as if it wasyesterday.
You feel it, you hear it, yousee it.
And if a scene came up, are youinside or outside?
NatNat (10:44):
A bit above.
Karoline Fischer (10:46):
Where are you, and is it day or night?
NatNat (10:50):
Day.
Karoline Fischer (10:52):
And how old are you?
Approximately Nine or ten?
Tell us a little.
What's happening here?
Are you by yourself?
Where are you?
What are you feeling?
I'm in a classroom, so you'rewith other kids, and what are
you feeling?
What's happening here?
NatNat (11:06):
There's a teacher and I feel like I'm standing up and
she's scolding me andfrustrating.
Karoline Fischer (11:14):
So the teacher is scolding you in front of
everyone.
Yeah, and how does that makeyou feel?
NatNat (11:23):
Small like I don't matter and there's no point.
And she's scolded you becauseit feels like the way I present
my work and the way that I writeand there's a lot of
frustration on the mistakes thatI make.
Karoline Fischer (11:42):
A lot of frustration from her side,
correct?
And then, of course, youinternalize that probably, so
you feel small, like you don'tmatter.
Is there any other feeling thatcomes up?
NatNat (11:58):
Anger, some sadness and then some numbing.
Karoline Fischer (12:07):
Numbing yeah, that's very emotionally right.
Numbing is a very intelligentsurvival strategy, right.
And what are you thinking asthat nine 10-year-old Natalie in
this scene?
NatNat (12:19):
There's no point.
Karoline Fischer (12:20):
Any other thought that you have?
NatNat (12:22):
I'm a little angry of being embarrassed.
Karoline Fischer (12:26):
So angry at yourself because you're
embarrassed A little bit on me,a little bit on her.
NatNat (12:33):
It's a female teacher.
Yeah, she just feels like abitch.
It's like there's no space tofeel open or supported part of
me that is trying to come out,yet the majority of me just
numbs and shuts down and it's.
There's no point if this iswhat she says and that's what it
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is.
There's another part that'ssaying they don't know your
story so there's a kind of ahelplessness.
Karoline Fischer (13:03):
But then part of that anger is also what does
she know?
Or she doesn't know my story,so how can she judge me?
Yeah, yeah, is there anythingelse in that scene that you want
to share, anything else thatthe nine, ten year old natalie's
thinking or feeling?
NatNat (13:24):
and I'm stupid and I'm ugly that I don't know how to
get it right.
Not smart enough.
There's a part that doesn'twant to care and it's like they
just don't understand.
They don't understand, theydon't understand, and that I
just don't want to play the game.
Karoline Fischer (13:45):
Anything else in that scene that you want to
share.
No, beautiful, we're going towork with that scene soon, for
right now, on five, I want youto just let that scene move away
as effortlessly and easily asit came to you, move away as
effortlessly and easily as itcame to you.
And then, on four, I want youto go deeper into that beautiful
space of yours, that bottom ofthat staircase, that deep
internal awareness of yours,that place where you've always
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known you are smart, you areimportant and you are all those
things and you are supported andloved and belong.
And on three, you see the yearspeel off you again, the months,
the weeks, the days, and you'regoing back and you're becoming
younger and maybe smaller andyou're going back again to a
scene.
That is the exact reason whyyou have a hard time finishing
(14:28):
this book and why you don'talmost let yourself finish this
book now.
And on two, that scene justfloats to you so easily,
effortlessly.
That scene, that second scene,that is the exact reason why
there's something holding youback finishing this book.
And on one, that scene is justthere with you.
It feels like it was yesterday.
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That scene.
That is the exact reason whyyou have something in the way of
finishing your book, why you'reholding yourself back on some
level.
You feel it, you see it, youhear it, and if a a second scene
came, are you inside or outside?
A bit of both, it was veryclear.
NatNat (15:06):
Is it day or night?
Karoline Fischer (15:07):
it's day, it's very bright very bright, and
how old are you in this oneapproximately?
Or tell me what's going on here.
Where are you?
What are you doing?
NatNat (15:17):
I'm very light, it's very pleasant and very giddy and
happy and I'm just spinningaround.
But then I feel dizzy and mymom feels annoyed and telling me
I shouldn't have been spinning.
That's why I'm sick.
Now, this memory, there islightness to it because it's so
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bright, the sun is shining inand I can feel in my body that
there's something Although Ilabel that as very carefree and
happy, my body right now isreacting that there's something
about that memory.
Karoline Fischer (15:57):
Something about that memory.
You feel very bright and lightat the beginning, but then I can
still feel that brightness.
NatNat (16:05):
yet Right now my body's reacting with some tension and
stiffness that there wassomething else there.
Karoline Fischer (16:15):
You think it is that your mother tells you
that you shouldn't have donethat.
She's annoyed and now you'resick because of the spinning.
Don't do it again.
That was silly, I think.
So.
Yeah, and what are you feelingin this uh scene after the
lightness and giddiness is alittle overshadowed, or a lot
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overshadowed by it's cut off.
NatNat (16:38):
It's it's the openness and the hyperactivity and the
just joyful has dimmed and itfeels like it has to be
contained instead of just beingfelt so it has to be contained,
and how does that make you feelsmall, less energy.
Karoline Fischer (17:02):
Less energy, any other feeling that's
connected to that?
NatNat (17:06):
a little bit of the nausea because I was spinning,
it just constricted the open andlightness, is now dark and and
rather than being in a big room,it feels like I'm in a small
closet and it doesn't feel safeto be open and excited and hyper
(17:29):
and just carefree is thereanything else, any other feeling
or thought that comes up?
there was truth to the spinningand being nauseous.
It's just the part of beingopen and carefree.
That part feels like it wassquashed away and I can feel
like a knot in my stomach as Ispeak on that, anything else in
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that scene that you want toshare.
It's almost like that's where Istarted splitting and not
trusting inside.
Yeah, when I think of thememory, it's very open and
carefree and light.
Yeah, as I said, the more thatI go into it, it's afterwards
that just shut down things.
Karoline Fischer (18:11):
I want you to, on five, just let that scene
float away as easily as it cameto you.
We're going to work with bothof those scenes.
And, on four, go deeper intothat internal awareness of yours
.
On three, I want you to just beaware, become aware of your
palms.
And then, on two, I want you tojust face your palms towards
the ceiling, just leave themwherever they are.
(18:31):
You don't need to higher themor lower them, just your palms
towards the ceiling, as if youwere holding things in your
palms.
And we're going to hold threepictures, so two pictures in
your left hand and one picturein your right hand.
So the first picture in yourleft hand is you're nine or 10,
you're in the classroom and yourfemale teacher is scolding you.
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You have to stand up andeverybody's looking at you and
you feel really sad and angryand like there's no point, small
, like you don't matter, and youalso feel helpless.
But then you also have kind ofa thought like she does not know
my story.
So how can she say that?
And her words, though, also letyou believe that you're stupid,
(19:12):
that you're ugly, that youdon't know how to get it right,
not smart enough.
And then the second picture inthe left hand is your four and
you're spinning around so bright, you feel so light, so giddy,
and then you feel dizzy and yourmother is annoyed by you
spinning around and then shesees you're dizzy and nauseous
and she tells you you shouldn'thave been doing that because
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that's now why you're sick, andit cut off all that openness,
that giddiness, and you feellike you have to be contained
now.
So there's a black and whitething like yeah, you can't spin
anymore now, you can't be openanymore now, you can't be giddy
anymore now because it's justgonna make you nauseous almost
that it's.
You feel small, less energy, abit of nausea, constricted.
(19:56):
And then, on the right hand,the picture you have there is
you today that you are writing abook right now, but for some
reason you're holding yourselfback on one level or other to
finish it.
There might be other thingsattached.
So I want you to now compareboth hands and I want you to
just see if there's anyconnection between both of those
hands.
NatNat (20:17):
Yeah, tell me how but if I write, I'll be ridiculed and
proven that I'm stupid.
And why would you writesomething?
There's nothing of value, anyother connection, the fear of
being seen feeling unsafe I alsofelt like right.
Karoline Fischer (20:34):
that light, that giddiness is so much part
of the creation, of creatingright, and the book is creating
something so big, feels like aheavy responsibility, like the
left hand, is very heavy, butthe right hand is light.
Oh good, it's actuallysomething you would feel so
excited about finishing and youwould feel so light if it was
(20:57):
finished.
NatNat (20:58):
Yeah.
Karoline Fischer (20:59):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, so let's go back andreframe that in both of those
scenes so we can transform thatenergy and then really change
that going forward for you.
I want you to go back again tothat nine 10-year-old in the
classroom.
Maybe you can remember what youwore and how that felt on your
body, see the teacher in frontof you.
Maybe you also can see some ofthe students Look at the teacher
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and you could just say to herthose things that you felt at
the moment.
Before you didn't see there wasany space for you to say
anything, but now you can, right, and that nine, 10 year old is
still in you.
So we let her express herself.
So I would say to her youscolding me in front of everyone
made me really feel small andsad and stupid.
NatNat (21:45):
What I want to say is that you're miserable and you're
not helping, and this made mefeel really awful.
It's not encouraging me to wantto learn.
Now I don't even want to behere.
You're not helping me.
Even if I don't do it theproper way, you can still give
me a little bit of space to doit so I can learn in a different
(22:06):
way and you can approach itdifferently.
What would you have wished forher to do?
I wish she would have been moregentle, more understanding.
I wish she would have askedquestions to understand, not to
belittle.
I wish she would have givenquestions to understand, not to
belittle.
I wish you would have given mespace one-on-one, not in front
of everyone.
(22:27):
I feel embarrassed in front ofeverybody and I feel, like you
always pick on me, that I'm theeasiest part to put it all on.
Karoline Fischer (22:36):
And it's not fair.
And how does that make you feelMore open that it?
NatNat (22:39):
all on and it's not fair .
And how does that make you feelMore open?
That it was truth, I can feel.
Seen, what you said made mefeel like I wasn't good enough,
that I didn't have any value,that I wasn't intelligent.
Now I see that this was yourstuff and you just didn't know
how to teach and you were takingyour stuff out on me.
Karoline Fischer (23:01):
Yeah, so give her that back.
You can imagine a suitcase orwhatever comes up for you.
See you giving her something,physically, really giving her
something.
Yeah, and leave that with her.
And just tell me, how does thatmake you feel?
NatNat (23:15):
It brightens things.
It put me in a differentposition in the room.
Karoline Fischer (23:19):
Does that make some wheels move inside of you
Like turn some wheels.
NatNat (23:24):
Yeah, good, as I said, there's more openness.
Karoline Fischer (23:29):
Yeah, is there more lightness also, like ease?
Yeah, can she go now?
Can she leave that scene?
Or is there anything else youneed to tell her?
NatNat (23:42):
still feel um frustration and anger and I know
that that's not gonna changewhat the situation was.
I know that that's a protectivefeeling, that she needed to
affirm certain things in me andmy life would have been
different.
Karoline Fischer (24:02):
Yeah, and she didn't affirm things and and
that is so true your life wouldhave been different, right?
But now you're going back tothat nine, ten year old and
you're basically giving yourselfthe treatment that you needed
for your life to be different,right?
Yeah, so tell her everythingthat you still need to say,
(24:23):
right?
NatNat (24:24):
I wish she would have affirmed me more and took the
time to mold me or to bring outthe thing that I was good at,
not just pointing out all thethings that were wrong.
And what feeling is behindthere?
Karoline Fischer (24:39):
there is encouragement of me seeing
myself and not needing her tosee me and what feeling is when
the nine-year-old says I wishshe would have done a sense of
helplessness, a sense I feelthat yeah of um not good enough,
a sense of loss yeah, so let'smourn that loss I just have the
(25:02):
sentence of I feel safe now.
NatNat (25:05):
I don't have to be in fear of hiding.
I can be me beautiful and I canmake mistakes, and it's okay,
uh-huh and is she still here?
Karoline Fischer (25:15):
No, okay, then she left, that's good.
So I want you to now step intothat space where the nine,
ten-year-old Natalie was, andstep in as the person you are
today and you establish eyecontact with her, emotional
connection with her through youreyes.
You love her so much, yousupport her so much.
(25:36):
You're here, you hold space forany and everything that she
might need, want, desire, feel.
NatNat (25:43):
I love you, Natalie.
I'm always here for you.
Karoline Fischer (25:46):
I won't leave you.
NatNat (25:48):
I want to hear your thoughts and feelings.
I want to hear your needs.
I want to hear you read.
I want to read what you'vewritten.
I want to hear your stories.
You're to read what you'vewritten.
I want to hear your stories.
You're so creative.
You're so intelligent,beautiful.
Karoline Fischer (26:02):
There's so much to offer.
Gentle with yourself.
Anything else you want to tellher?
No, I would say you can go infor a hug if she wants that too,
and you can just exchange thatenergy through you know, like
chest to chest.
You just exchanged in words andonce you hugged it out, let her
float on top of you, looking inthe same direction.
(26:25):
She's turning around and thenshe's slowly through the crown
of your head getting into yourbody, floating into your body
and just feel that nine, 10 yearold Natalie's body.
Enter the healed version ofthat, a more expressed version.
See how that feels in you,because she was inside before
you too, but now it's adifferent version.
(26:46):
See how that feels for theadult Natalie now and see how
that feels for the nine, 10 yearold Natalie.
Just know that you cannot unfeelthis.
We can always come back to thisand what is in our body is
materialized.
Right, this is practical, aspractical as it gets.
It's in your body, great.
Now let's reframe that to thatsecond scene where you are four
(27:07):
years old.
You're spinning, you feel solight and giddy and just like
open and it feels so good, butthen that's totally closed off
by your mother, feeling annoyedand telling you you shouldn't
have been spinning, because nowthat's why you're sick.
So you totally cut off and allthat energy is cut off.
You feel small, constricted,it's like dark.
(27:28):
I want you frustrated andannoyed.
NatNat (27:30):
Just didn't make me feel good and so I felt like I had
to bring down my energy becauseit was too much for you.
I interpreted it as my opennessand my high energy and
hyperactivity was something thatwasn't accepted by you.
(27:53):
I wanted your approval and tolove me, and I just didn't want
to see you tired and annoyed.
I felt I had to turn it off foryou to be happier.
And now that I know that youhad your own stuff and you're
doing the best you could, I justinterpreted that I needed to
turn off this energy.
(28:14):
It didn't feel safe for you togo into that space.
I internalized your behavior asthis openness and this
hyperactivity as being unsafeand that I'll get harmed and
make wrong choices.
I'm going to give that back toyou now because it's yours.
My openness and my creativityand being me is safe.
(28:36):
I can discern, make choices formyself and, yeah, it's okay for
me to be excited.
It's not like somebody's gonnatake it away from me.
This, this can never be meagain, because that open,
creative, high energy space istotally there for me to delve in
and to play in and to expand,and it's totally safe.
Karoline Fischer (29:00):
Beautiful, and now you can give her also her
issues back in a suitcase orwhatever comes up, because they
are hers.
NatNat (29:08):
Kissed her on her cheek.
It's done Great.
Karoline Fischer (29:11):
You can also go into this space and hug the
four-year-old to thenine-year-old.
You'll see if the four-year-oldwants to hear some things also
from you.
NatNat (29:24):
You're safe to be open.
You're safe to be curious.
You're safe to see thingsdifferently than others.
It's safe what's inside?
Karoline Fischer (29:33):
you is safe.
Then you can hug it out again,turn around so she looks in the
same direction and then comeinto your body through the crown
of your head and now you havethat healed version of the
four-year-old in you before youhad that four-year-old version
of you in you too.
So just feel that, also Knowyou can always come back to that
feeling.
And since we are doing ashortened version, I'm just
(29:56):
gonna ask you if you feel acertain completion.
NatNat (30:00):
Yeah, I feel present right now, beautiful, my left
hand isn't heavy anymore.
Karoline Fischer (30:08):
Beautiful and I'll just invite you to slowly
come back to the present moment.
I mean you are very present now, but just feel the room around
you, take a deep breath in andout and whenever you're ready,
you can open your eyes.
You were so good, like, how doyou feel?
Like I mean you have done somuch right and clearly because
(30:30):
you also do it on your podcast,so how are you feeling?
NatNat (30:34):
I mean you said already lighter, right, very vulnerable
because I'm like, while it washappening, I was like I have
snot running down my face, but Iwas like it is what it is, yeah
, and I don't know if you couldsee the tears coming down.
Karoline Fischer (30:48):
Oh yeah.
NatNat (30:49):
Oh, there was plenty of tears knew that my body was
finally feeling seen and beingable to surrender those defense
mechanisms and integrate toallow that integration.
I even saw the friction that Ihave with one of my twins, the
aversion that I get and it'slike, oh, it's this little girl.
(31:09):
It's all of that stuff thatcomes up and prickles me and it
was the seven-year-old that gotscolded by the teacher.
That embarrassment and notfeeling like I measure up in
inconvenience, that reacted withhow I feel sometimes with one
of the twins.
That I have so very powerful,very vulnerable.
Karoline Fischer (31:33):
I got so into it, I mean I really forgot that
we were on on camera too, onaudio, um.
But I guess a little bit I wasalways aware because I I did not
see tears even I was actuallysurprised how I was like, wow,
yeah, I guess I've done thatlong enough to be able to,
because I did it as if there wasno camera around actually, so I
(31:56):
was like wow, but you alsoobviously created that space,
because you also went yeah, Iwent deep.
NatNat (32:02):
So that's why I said like I've done the work and
you'll have willingness, sothat's why it can flow the way
it can flow.
Um, so I wasn't and that's whythe vulnerability, as you can
see, I'm open, that okay.
Let's show people what thatinner work looks like, that
inner child and integrating, andsometimes you need a few of
these sessions to really feelthat embodied integration and
(32:25):
everything else.
Well, I know the listeners wantto know now, where can I find
Carolina?
So could you let them knowwhere they can find you and what
you have to offer them.
Karoline Fischer (32:34):
So my website is wwwyhypnotherapy and the Y is
w-h-y-hypnotherapycom.
I have a profile on psychologytoday.
I have a Google businesswebsite that you can also find
when you type in my name intoGoogle or into any search engine
(32:55):
, and some people even reach outthrough social media.
I'm findable.
I guess that's a word, yeah.
NatNat (33:03):
Yeah, all your information will be in the show
notes.
So for the listeners, as youjust saw and or heard me go
through a process and you knowsome of those things that you
were able to do that process foryourself I would highly I am
like five-star recommending youto reach out to Carolina because
(33:25):
she truly has a gift of safetyand being able to tap into the
body's wisdom and intelligenceso that you can do that
integration.
We all have our paths to getinto our healing and different
modalities and this for sure, isone of the modalities that will
quicken things for you tobetter understand, because once
(33:48):
you tap into your body's wisdom,there's so much that gets
released and there's so muchthat you can, as she said, give
back to others, likeintellectually you can
understand, it's not my stuffYet the body needs to feel that
to be able to release thoseemotional charges that have been
ingrained as patterns for solong in that nervous system.
(34:08):
So, carolina, thank you so much.
I would love to have you backon a personal aspect so we could
ask you some personal questionsand get to know you a little
bit of how you got into this andyou know some vulnerability
about you, some reflectivequestions and stuff like that.
So I hope you'll come backagain as a guest.
I would love that.
Karoline Fischer (34:30):
Thank you so much for having me.
This was amazing.
Yeah, thank you.
This was amazing, yeah, thankyou.
NatNat (34:34):
And you know what.
Thank you for having yourvulnerability, because as a
professional and when we'reholding space for others, when
our role of parenting comes inand it kind of feels a little
messy it's like what do I do?
Yet I thank you for theconfidence and the courage of
being you and modeling to peoplewhat is possible that just
(34:55):
because you have a gift, itdoesn't mean it diminishes
because you're in these otherroles.
So thank you.
Karoline Fischer (35:01):
True, yeah, yeah, although I would never use
her in a session.
NatNat (35:05):
Of course.
Karoline Fischer (35:06):
Yeah, I would never have a session with her,
but thank you so much.
Yeah, yeah.
NatNat (35:11):
Thank you.
So please remember to be kindto yourself.
Karoline Fischer (35:15):
Thank you.
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