May 12, 2025 โข 48 mins
The divide between pain and pleasure, escape and presence, runs through the core of human experience. In this riveting conversation with Amrit Singh Reinsch, we venture beyond conventional thinking about consciousness and healing to discover what happens when we stop running from discomfort.
Amrit's extraordinary journey took him from Germany's regimented structure to two decades in India, where meditation and yoga became his pathway to experiencing the profound internal highs our bodies naturally create. "It's a fascinating subject," he explains, comparing these states to the runner's high many already know. "Your human body can do this."
The most compelling aspects of our discussion center around intention versus escapism. While many use substances or activities to numb pain, Emerick describes his recent therapeutic psychedelic experience as transformative precisely because it wasn't about avoiding reality but seeing it more clearly. "It's not about going high... it's about having the experience and then taking that with you into our human experience."
What emerges is a radical reframing of life's challenges. Rather than obstacles to happiness, difficult emotions become doorways to freedom when we face them directly. This applies not only to our inner work but also to parenting, where witnessing our children's pain without immediately trying to fix it becomes one of the most challenging and necessary forms of love.
"Have fun," Amrit reminds us in closing. "It's all just one big game." This isn't dismissive but profoundly liberating โ an invitation to approach life with curiosity instead of control. By embracing both the light and shadow aspects of being human, we discover a wholeness that transforms how we experience everything.
Ready to explore your own relationship with presence and pain? Listen now and discover how accepting the full spectrum of human experience might be the most healing choice you'll ever make.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Lift One Self podcast, where we break
mental health stigmas throughconversations.
I'm your host, nat Nat, and wedive into topics about trauma
and how it impacts the nervoussystem.
Yet we don't just leave youthere.
We share insights and tools ofself-care, meditation and growth
(00:21):
that help you be curious aboutyour own biology.
Your presence matters.
Please like and subscribe toour podcast.
Help our community grow.
Let's get into this.
Oh, and please remember to bekind to yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Welcome to the Lift One Self podcast.
I'm your host, Nat Nat, and Iwant to thank you for being here
and I have a wonderful guestwhere we're going to do a really
deep dive because we weretalking before the recording.
So I'm looking really forwardto this conversation that we're
going to get into and beforethat, Emerick, could you
(00:57):
introduce yourself to myself?
Give me a little bit moredetail about you and the
listeners before we go into thisdeep dive?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Hey, nat Matt, thanks for having me on your podcast.
I'm super excited about thishour coming up, so I'll give you
a quick, one minute summary ofwhat's going on in my life.
I'm originally from Germany,where I lived first 25 years of
my life and I foundundalini yogaaround when I was 20.
(01:26):
Before that, I was smoking alot of weed and then suddenly,
you know this, this yoga journeyopened me up to oh, there's
more.
Out there I can feel highwithout being stoned and lying
on the sofa and not gettinganything done.
That's exciting.
So with 25, I decided to move toIndia and I was like, oh, I'm
(01:47):
just going to India and explore.
You know, that was like thething to do.
And then I ended up staying inIndia for 20 years and living
there and, you know, starting afamily and raising my kids and
really having the deep Indiaexperience.
So there was a lot of space formeditation, a lot of space for
(02:08):
yoga, a lot of really deepinternal work.
And then just recently, threeyears ago, I moved to Mexico
because my ex-wife is Mexicanand we decided we wanted to have
the kids have an experiencehere in Mexico and experience
the Mexican roots.
(02:29):
And so now I've been living forthree years in Valladolid in
Mexico and, like I was tellingyou in the beginning, living in
this beautiful spring climateall year round and really,
really enjoying having made thischoice all year round and
really, really enjoying havingmade this choice.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Wow.
Now I'm even more curious to getinto some dialogue about the
different environments, becausefrom Germany to India to Mexico,
those are like verysignificantly different
environments, weather-wise, butalso culturally.
Yet I'm sure there's a lot ofsimilarities that make it see
that we're much more closerconnected than we are separated.
(03:09):
Before we do that, will youjoin me in a two minute mindful
moment so we can groundourselves and open our heart for
the time and for the listeners?
As you always hear me with myspiels, safety first.
So if there's any prompts thatwould jeopardize your safety,
please stop and just fastforward over into the
(03:31):
conversation.
So, emerit, I'll ask you to getcomfortable in your seating and
, if it's safe to do so, gentlyclose your eyes and you're going
to begin breathing in and outthrough your nose and you're
going to bring your awareness towatching your breath go in and
(03:52):
out through your nose.
You're not going to try andcontrol your breath, you're just
going to be aware of the rhythm, allowing it to guide you into
your body.
There may be some sensations orfeelings coming up, and that's
okay, you're safe to feel.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You're safe to let go .
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Surrender the need to control, release the need to
resist and just be.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Be with your breath.
Release the need to resist andjust be.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Be with your breath Now.
There may be some thoughts ormemories that have popped up,
and that's okay.
Gently, bring your awarenessback to your breath.
Creating space between theawareness and the thoughts and
dropping even deeper into thebody, while keeping that
(04:51):
awareness on your breath andallowing yourself to just be.
Again, more thoughts may havepopped up.
Gently bring your awareness toyour breath, beginning again,
creating even more space betweenthe awareness and the thoughts,
(05:15):
and dropping even deeper intothe body.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Keeping the awareness on the breath and allowing
yourself to just be now at yourown time and at your own pace,
you're going to gently open youreyes while staying with the
(05:45):
breath.
How's your heart doing?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
My heart is doing great.
Thanks for asking.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So tell me a little bit about how life was in
Germany and what had you makethe move to a totally different
continent and culture andlanguage.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Oh wow, things were so different before.
I had my India experience, justbecause it was so dominant,
right.
20 years living in India, Imean it comes with a whole.
You could probably write awhole book on it.
But then I went back to Germany.
(06:25):
We ended up living there fortwo more years before we moved
to mexico here and we ended upgetting locked down doing covid
and that was just so rough.
The germans are so good infollowing rules and they're not.
Like there was a lot of rulesduring covid and guess what?
Everybody was following therules and it was so strict and
(06:49):
there was no going out, therewas no social contact, there was
no.
You know, like I, what reallythe biggest thing I realized
about my own germanness becausethis is something fun, I'm gonna
do this as a little anecdote onthe side when I'm in Germany,
I'm the least German guy out ofall the Germans, right?
(07:09):
And I was like, oh, you guysare so German.
This is ridiculous with yourbeing on time and this precision
and this and that, but when I'moutside of Germany, I'm always
the most German out of everybody.
So that is just like a littleside effect.
But you know, being in germanyand being in this strictness.
(07:30):
That's what the germans aregreat at.
The germans are great in gettingshit done, organizing stuff and
having like 100 rules andfollowing the 100 rules.
You know, I think really thatthe only culture that is more
intense in that level than usGermans is probably the Japanese
, you know.
But the Germans are a prettyclose second and so there's a
(07:54):
lot of benefit in that.
I mean, germany is a greatcountry to work in.
If you are going to work andyou're getting stuff done and
you're on the computer and atnine o'clock everybody's
available and you know like youcan go to a shop.
You're on the computer and atnine o'clock everybody's
available and you can go to ashop and it's supposed to open
at nine o'clock.
It's open at 8.59 and 30seconds.
I mean it's just great.
You can plan stuff.
(08:15):
Lots of fun.
But on the other hand also verylimiting.
As you're getting moredisciplined and more structured
like this, it narrows you andyou start getting stiff and you
start resenting things becauseit is not human to live like
that.
It's very effective to livelike that, but just not very
(08:37):
human.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So you mentioned for the kundalini, so some listeners
may hear, may hear.
Okay, he was talking aboutgetting high.
Yet once you started doingkundalini and really diving into
meditation and regulating thatnervous system, you spoke of an
inner high, getting high offyour own supply.
(08:58):
So can you let the listenersknow a little bit more of what
your experience is with that andlet them see a sneak peek,
because some may not even knowwhat that experience is?
I do, yet I'd like to hear whatyour experience is with it.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, it's a.
It's a fascinating subject.
It's something I think the mostcommon relationship mainstream
people have with it is therunner's high right.
If you've ever been a runner oryou've ever gotten a little bit
even into running, if you gorunning and you train your body
(09:34):
for two, three months toactually have that strength
build up, or when you wereyounger, and you can go run 10K
run, you get this internal highand that's why runners keep
running.
That's why they wake up at 5.30in the morning to go running in
the dark in minus five degreesand you're like are you insane?
(09:55):
Why would you do this toyourself?
But they get this high from itand so that's something your
human body can do.
Maybe another common thing iswhen you're just really happy
and your heart opens and youhave this really loving
experience.
You know, for a lot of us, weknow that maybe in sex, you know
(10:15):
, when we're connecting withanother human being.
You know, unfortunately,because it is so unconscious,
this is much bigger in thebeginning of any relationship
than 10 years into it, when itreally should be the other way
around.
But you know, we all have hadthose experiences, maybe when we
were 16, 17, 18, or wheneveryou know, like this, when this
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deep, profound connection isthere, and so these internal
pathways are very human.
That's what we have the capacityto experience Kundalini yoga
and meditation and really manyother paths of yoga and
meditation too, and Tai Chi andI mean, like sacred Indian
(10:58):
medicine and traditions andshamanism, they all have these
techniques where you're usingyour breath, your body and the
whole human process to have adeep and profound experience of
connecting with the infinite.
And connecting with that.
There is more out there, and soone of the cool things I like
(11:22):
about Kundalini Yoga is it's adiscipline which has been
practiced for over 5,000 yearsand you know there's been a lot
of lot of yogis before us whohave practiced and refined and
added and changed and adjustedand really fine-tuned this
machine and it really works.
So if you don't understand anyof the stuff I just said, but
(11:47):
you want to experience it, gofind a Kundalini Yoga class,
commit 100% to the exercises, doit, do the breath, do the
singing, do the mantra and thenhave your own experience.
Don't believe a word I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, that's what I tell my clients all the time.
I'm like I could tell you allthe things that you want, yet
your mind will argue it becauseyou don't have the lived
experience Yet.
Once you experience something,you can try to argue yourself
that it didn't happen Yet onceit's happened for you, it's
truth for you.
So a lot of times people aretrying to replicate other
people's story rather thancreate their own story and
really understand thephysiological aspect of our body
(12:28):
.
Because what you wereexplaining is, for those that
are science heads, it'schemicals that are being
released, like sex, it'soxytocin, and when we have
oxytocin it makes us feel realgood.
And oxytocin is another chemicalthat helps with labor and birth
and life to proceed.
There's adrenaline, there'sendorphins, there's cortisol
(12:53):
when we have fear, so there'sepinephrine.
So there's all these chemicalsthat we can activate internally.
Yet we just haven't been taughtthe method of activating those
things.
We've just been really gearedon activating cortisol with fear
and stress, like you said inthe regimental German aspect of
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thinking that you're a system ofproductivity rather than
humanness and experience lifeand have that connection.
Before we started recording,you said that there was
something that you recentlystarted to, that you recently
(13:34):
had an experience with, and thatwas in the realm of
psychedelics.
Are you willing to share whatthat experience?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
was.
Oh yeah, I would love to.
I mean, it was such a profoundand life-changing experience and
we all, you know, have heardabout psychedelics, right, if
it's LSD or mushrooms or MDMA orwhatever, and very quickly it
all gets clumped together as, oh, drugs, and drugs are bad,
right, which is very much theconditioning of our society.
(14:02):
And it's so interesting becauseit throws in, you know, heroin
and cocaine and alcohol and allthese heavy duty destructive
drugs which are really bad foryou.
And I think we're kind ofhaving a been having a
renaissance around the marijuanause, you know, even though that
comes with a lot of sideeffects too.
(14:23):
But it is, you know, especiallyin the field of of health and
healing, an amazing tool to beused.
And so mushrooms have beenaround longer than we as humans
have been around, and thepsychedelic mushrooms are very
common actually, you know,they're everywhere, they're part
(14:44):
of the life around us, andancient cultures have used these
psychedelic mushrooms forspiritual journeys, for
connection with spirit, forgoing high and connecting, and I
think, with, you know, thedevelopment of the modern world.
(15:05):
We pushed all that aside, right?
Ooh, this is crazy.
And all this shamanistichealing stuff and all that
non-scientific can't be true,because we can't prove it in the
laboratory.
But then really, when youreally deep dive and take a look
at it, you recognize how thiswhole natural approach, this
(15:29):
whole approach which has beenthere for thousands of years
with our ancestors, is actuallymuch more scientific than this
current scientific model.
We have where we're, you know,where we're in our baby steps,
right, where we're just figuringstuff out.
I mean, we can't evenunderstand how the human body
works, but we're just, you know,where we're in our baby steps,
right, where we're just figuringstuff out.
I mean, we can't evenunderstand how the human body
works, but we're just, you know,we can do little cells and now
(15:52):
I can do a little bit ofchromosomes and it's great,
right, I mean there's a lot inthere.
I'm not dissing science here,I'm just saying hey, like let's
allow both to come together.
So this showed a little bit as apreference in my experience I
(16:13):
had just recently with themushrooms, and it was
life-changing and I was in atherapeutic setting with a deep,
essential level with theuniverse, with the creator, and
(16:35):
experience myself as one, andyou know, not just as part of it
but as unity with it, unitywith it, and it was such a
profound, life-changingexperience that I came out of it
really saying like, oh my God,you know, I need to do more in
the world, I need to give moreback to the world, I want to be
(16:55):
a kinder person, I want to, youknow, have more uplifting
relationships.
And so it gave me so manypositive things to work with in
this integration phase.
Right, because it's not aboutgoing high.
This is the interesting thingin working with mushrooms or any
of the other psychedelics.
What's much more important inthe process is to go high and
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have the experience and thentake that with you into our
human experience, with you intoour human experience.
Because, although we arespiritual beings coming here on
this earth to have a humanexperience, this connection,
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it's not about escaping from ourhumanness.
It's not about getting awayfrom the pain, the emotions, the
suffering, the heaviness of thehuman experience.
No, that's why we came.
This human experience is reallythis special and unique thing.
My spiritual teacher alwayssaid like you guys don't
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understand it, there is angelsstanding in line, souls standing
in line waiting to have thishuman experience, and you guys
are down here pissing it awayLike, come on, wake up.
This is such a unique gift tobe human, experience in this
(18:22):
mushroom journey where, comingdown from it and feeling back
into my body, feeling back intomy humanness, I could make that
connection between God, theinfinite, and myself and my
humanness and really appreciateevery little struggle and every
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little challenge and everylittle pain and every raindrop
in my face, because it's so easyto appreciate the good things
in life.
Oh my God, I had an amazingtalk with my good friend, or I
had this amazing thing.
But to appreciate the pain ismuch more challenging, right,
and to really embrace it and tocome to the point to say this is
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just as powerful and as humanas these wonderful moments and
I'm going to stop judging themand going to stop saying I only
want beautiful and positiveexperiences in my life and I'm
not willing to experience thepain and the suffering.
And then something reallyinteresting happens.
The moment you mentally connect, that piece happens.
(19:25):
The moment you mentally connectthat piece or you say I'm
embracing the full experience.
Now, suddenly you only haveamazing stuff happen to you.
You stomp your foot and yourtoe is bleeding and you're
saying, oh my God, you know,this helps me to be conscious
and be more grounded and be moreaware of what's going on and
you take care of of your toe,but you're not cursing the world
(19:46):
anymore saying, oh my god, poorme.
I'm suffering.
Life is so horrible.
Please release me.
I need to have my bottle ofwhiskey so I can enjoy my
netflix tonight, right?
No, it's not about that anymore.
It's about arriving here andrecognizing that everything we
get to experience is a gift.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, you just mirrored what my experience has
been for the last decade, and Iknow a lot of people will say
that I'm weird.
What do you mean?
Lean into the pain?
What do you mean lean into thechallenges, when we have a
society that has everything inthe market to numb pain?
(20:31):
And I think a lot of times withthe psychedelics it's used as
disassociation and they want tobe in the high state and they're
not realizing it's integration.
You're trying, as you said,escapism, trying to escape from
the experience of life, thereality, the as is of where you
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are, and also reframing yourperception of what you're
considering to be abundant,because we're so tethered in
thinking accomplishments andsuccess and materialistic things
are abundance.
When seeing a sunrise is themost abundant experience, not
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the most, yet one of the mostabundant experience that you can
have Hearing a baby's laughter,smelling fresh grass, feeling
the warm breeze, feeling the icecold, being fascinated with the
whole experience, when you canallow yourself to be whole with
a W, as you said, the way thatyou show up in life is such a
(21:39):
fascinating way.
Yet there has to be a choice ofhow you're going to reframe
your mindset, because yournervous system is built out of
negative bias, so it wants to beprimed of only getting it your
way.
Yet once you can rewire thatand recognize I don't need
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expectations to put me in anelevated state.
The world doesn't need to go myway to have me in an elevated
mental state.
I can actually accept the as isof this reality.
Is it painful?
Yeah.
Does it suck sometimes?
Yeah, yet you can still feelthat sucky part and still allow
joy to be present.
(22:20):
It's not one or the other, it'sactually allowing a multitude
of feeling your humanness.
And so I really appreciate youexplaining what that psychedelic
aspect and for some thatthey're hearing mushrooms in
this world and I know it'sreally a big hype for
psychedelics it's psilocybinthat he's referring to and so
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being able to use that, becausea lot of times people are using
the psychedelics as a party drug, as an escapism again, as a way
to disassociate, to take theedge off of the pain, the edge
off of what reality is.
Yet when they have to come backinto their reality, there
becomes a real, sometimes asignificant depression, because
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there's missing that integration, and that's where it can be
very harmful for people.
That's why it's, I think, veryimportant that you're around
people.
That have your best intention,not the best intention of
profiting off of people.
It's actually the bestintention for theiting off of
people.
It's actually the bestintention for the collective in
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the community.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, and I want to jump in there because this is
such a powerful point.
You know, there's nothingagainst parties and going in a
high elevated state into a partyyeah, amazing.
But don't use psychedelics,then drink alcohol on top of it
and then then smoke some weedand then jump around for five
hours like a crazy person andthen completely miss the most
(23:53):
important piece, which is theintegration, and then pass out
somewhere on the lawn.
That doesn't make any sense.
Do it in a ritualistic setting,do it with a guide, do it with
someone who brings experience toit.
One powerful thing I realized inthis process is if you have
someone by your side as you arejourneying into these realms,
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who is holding a powerfulmeditative state with you,
holding presence for you, thatis life changing and that allows
you to really travel down thispath with a lot of confidence
and with a lot of support,because you know you got this
powerful presence with you.
And another interesting thing Iwant to share from my
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psychedelic experience was oneof the thing which everybody who
has tried psychedelics knowsabout is there comes the point
where it gets a little scary.
Right, there's somethinghappens where you go like, oh,
and you want to turn around andrun the other way and that's
like the worst thing you can do.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
What you need to do is you need to turn around and
face it and sit with it and belike, okay, let me look in your
face, and then that dissolvesjust in milliseconds and it
shoots you up higher into thenext level of experience you can
be in.
And so for me, doing thispsychedelic experience, which
was really powerful, was that,after this happening a couple
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times, I I caught on to it and Iwas like, oh, and then I
started looking for all the, themonsters and the painful and
the scary things and I really Ifound them and I was like, oh,
let's sit together.
Now and again I got shot uphigher and then a funny thing
happened there wasn't any moremonsters to find.
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Well, I was like, oh, I musthave arrived.
And that was very cool.
And so what I again in thisintegration phase, took with me
is that when these undesirablethings happen in life, they're
actually a gift.
They're a gift to look closer,they're a gift to sit with it,
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and when you sit with it and youfeel the pain and you feel the
contraction and whatever happensinside of your body, that will
then be the fuel to catapultyour higher, into that true
human identity.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
For some that they need some.
Other context, which you justexplained, is that shadow work.
There are places withinourselves that we've, you know,
kind of pushed away or put intoa junk drawer or thought that we
got over it.
Where it's all about theintegration.
And if you're not doingpsychedelics, the other way to
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go through that is feeling yourauthentic emotions.
These emotions feel really bigand really scary, yet if you
feel them, they only last a fewseconds.
Going through it withoutpsychedelics can feel like an
eternity, yet when you do,there's an opening and there's a
flood of energy that comes upin a rush and it's like this is
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always naturally here and it'slike, yeah, you've just been
suppressing it with theseemotions that you haven't been
able to feel and release, sothat the defense mechanisms of
that nervous system that areprotecting your vulnerability,
the sensitivity that areprotecting your vulnerability,
the sensitivity, the onenessthat they open up and you're
(27:29):
fully connected because, how youjust explained, it is what
trauma is Trauma, thoseexperiences that were painful
separated you from self, the bigS, the oneness, god, divine
whatever that word you use forthat higher power, and it's the
journey to reconnect into thatself.
So, like you said, those bigmonsters and scary.
(27:52):
It's like I don't think I havethe capacity to face this, to go
through it, to feel it.
And it's like you do, though,because it's just feeling some
pain and it's redefining whatpain is.
A lot of us don't realize we'recreating a lot of psychological
suffering for ourselves thatfeels like pain, and we don't
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even realize we're the one doingit.
We think it's on the outside,from people's judgments,
people's perceptions, people'sauthority, which some of it does
have its contribution.
Yet the empowerment isrecognizing.
You have the choice of howyou're going to view things, how
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you're going to perceive things.
Does it happen right away?
No, not for many.
It's a tool that you have todevelop and reframe your mind
that when it's trying to go thisway, it's like no, no, no, you
forget there's just this waythat we go now.
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It's just moving forward.
Yet it takes profound depths ofwillingness and it's a simple
term and it's not complicated.
It might be complex, it's justbeing able to practice it
continuously.
Yet the gift of psychedelics isit opens you up very quickly If
you're willing to, and you havea really great guide to hold
that space to let you know youhave the capacity to experience
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this experience.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, I love it.
I mean, it's so powerful.
And I think the one thing thatcame to my mind as you were
speaking is you know, for me itwas always hard to surrender my
mind.
You know, when you're very minddominant and very powerful, you
know like and you're dependingin your ego identity, a lot on
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your mind, how quick you canthink, how much faster you might
be than other people, how wellthink for people like me, I
think it's if you want togeneralize it, it is probably
(30:09):
more with male or very masculinehuman beings.
You know, because women canalso be very masculine.
In this mental approach, right,in this very ego focused
approach, in this very like ahfeeling is for weak people,
right, it's this lower thing ofah, no, no, no, we don't feel we
don't want to be like a and Isay this very much on purpose
(30:32):
like a little girl, becausereally the little girl is like
such a beautiful manifestationof this authentic, pure
connection with life.
Right, and we're using thisupside down in a way to put
someone down.
I mean, it's like it blows mymind, right, because really we
(30:52):
should all want to be likelittle girls.
You know, like, that's like themost amazing state you can be
in.
Now, I lost my track of mind,but no, what I wanted to explain
is it's this Now I lost mytrack of mind, but no, what I
wanted to explain is it's thiswhen we're that stuck in our way
of thinking, mind is everything, emotion is nothing.
Anytime I feel emotion, it getsin my way.
(31:15):
Let me just mentally resolveeverything here, and that's
where something powerful likepsychedelics can really be a
tool, because it allows toshortcut this path, which
otherwise might take 10, 20, 30years, and you can get there
right away.
And suddenly you realize, oh myGod, I was on the wrong track
(31:39):
for my entire life and I need toreevaluate everythinguate
everything.
And that's scary too.
I think that's why a lot ofpeople are scared of
psychedelics, because they'relike oh my god, now I'm gonna
not want to be a softwareengineer anymore.
Oh, I not want to be, you know,like making a lot of money and
buying a big house and buying abig car anymore.
(32:00):
No, no, no, let's not mess withthat.
You know, I think I kind oflike it.
But there comes an interestingpart in the, in our midlife,
where we're questioning thesethings or we're saying like why
am I going to work for 10 hoursa day, every single day, and
have one week of holiday a year,like, where is the sense in all
of this?
And I think that's where it allties together.
(32:22):
You know, when you really findthat why and that reason, why
are we alive in the first place?
And when you experience thatfor yourself, rather than just
read someone else talking on itor listen to what the religion
says, or listen to what the newguru from India says about it,
or you know like and reallyexperience it for yourself,
where you can say, oh, I knowwhy I'm here, why am I am alive,
(32:47):
and that's very cool.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah, I think also too, from my own experience, is
that you come to see the thingsthat you used as coping
mechanisms to kind of soothe thewound, that you no longer need
those things.
So it shifts your lifestyle andhow and the things that you
thought were needs were actuallyjust wants in order to soothe
(33:14):
that pain, that deep ache of awound.
That you can actually face thewound and be there for yourself,
not go on the outside ofyourself.
That you start creating safetywithin your body, not trying to
grasp it on the outside.
In this world, like in a lot ofreligious texts, the statement
(33:34):
is you're in the world butyou're not of it and really
embodying that like to.
Really there's a difference.
Like you know, a lot of peopleare like I know that and I'm
like you know what we all knowand you know what.
If that were to work, the worldwould be so much different.
Yet take that knowing and be it.
Like you know, you say to doacts of kindness and it's like
(33:59):
can you be kind?
Can it just be in your being tobe kind, so you don't have to
analyze it and think of thesteps and do it's like it just
opens up and evolves andpresents these moments where you
might even have challenges tobe kind because the feeling of
anger or protection is activated.
(34:19):
And what does kindness looklike?
Kindness evolves.
It's not a passive state, likesaying a no to somebody is
kindness, but people think it'sall opening and just being
passive and being walked allover and it's like no, like this
is not that aspect.
It's giving yourselfredefinition and allowing you to
(34:43):
embody your uniqueness.
In a world that talks aboutdiversity, so many people are
averse to it.
They want utopia, and there isno such thing as utopia.
There is going to be pain,there's going to be destruction.
Like you know, people aretalking about babies.
The birthing process is verypainful and ugly and, you know,
(35:07):
very violent.
Yet nobody really wants that.
They think it's all like ohkumbaya and beautiful and it is
a beautiful experience, yetthere's a lot of violence and
pain in it and we want to justcompartmentalize things rather
than look and accept it all,because God is in all of that,
yet no, no, no, it's just thebeauty part and it's like no,
(35:30):
god, life is in all of that, yetonce you can come out of your
head and drop into your body andallow your nervous system to
regulate and release these BS,which are belief systems.
Somebody put me onto thatbecause I used to say the BS for
bullshit.
Yet really the bullshit is thebelief systems that keep you
(35:53):
imprisoned rather than becurious of what's beyond this
belief that I have, how do Iexperience life in the unknown
and that uncertainty?
And the way that you describedyour experiences is exactly that
and I thank you for you knowbeing vulnerable and sharing
that so that it helps somebodyelse to be curious about it.
(36:17):
Yet also be informed.
So be informed, and I highlyhighly when I talk about party
drugs and not using it in thatway.
We all go through our phases.
When I was in my teens and my20s, I had a very colorful life,
very colorful.
(36:38):
Okay, some of it I want to belike oh my gosh, was I really
like that?
Yet I have that, thoseexperiences, because now I hold
a space of non-judgment becauseI've experienced it.
I have radical compassionbecause, just like me, you're
not aware of certain things.
Yet now that I've opened up someof my awareness, it's recognize
(37:00):
if you are trying to numb yourpain, the pain doesn't go away.
It doesn't go away.
It actually is a superpowerthat can empower you to show up?
Is it a process?
Yeah.
Is there requiring somestillness?
Yeah, it's stillness.
In a world that wants tostimulate you 24-7 feels like a
(37:24):
threat, yet your healing is inthat stillness.
So allow yourself to journeyinto that stillness.
But once you start, it doesn'tmean, like you said, when you're
smoking weed and just sittingon the couch watching Netflix,
this kind of high gets you goinginto.
(37:45):
I'm using time as a tool, not atoy.
How am I going to use this toolwisely?
How am I going to use thisenergy to really be curious and
alive in life?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
You mentioned that you are a parent.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
How many children do you have?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I got two my daughter is 16 and my son is 12.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Okay, so you're teenagers.
Okay, and preteen.
What I've learned for myself?
I think my highest spiritualpractice of learning about
myself was the reflection thatmy children were mirroring to me
.
Did you share that sameexperience in your parenting
(38:29):
journey?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Oh, big time Actually .
For those 20 years I lived inIndia.
I worked at an internationalboarding school, so I got 20
years of practicing being a dadto 100 teenagers and that was
big and so really, on one hand,prepared me more than a normal
(38:57):
parent is prepared, right?
Because the thing withparenting always is, you know,
by the time you figured out atwo-year-old boy, you got a
three-year-old and you're like,oh shit, nothing of that stuff
which worked with two works now.
And then you know like in mycase it was like I figured out
how to work with a girl forevery year, and then I got a boy
(39:17):
and I was like, oh my god, noweverything changed again, and
that is challenging by itself.
There's no, no structure and nobaseline in there.
And they're so real and what Ialways remind people of who have
children of their own and say,oh my god, my kids are not
listening to me and they're notdoing what I'm doing, especially
(39:39):
with teenagers, right, how wereyou when you were 15?
Exactly, what were you thinkingabout?
The capacity of your parents?
And then they get really quietand they go like, oh yeah, I
thought my parents were suchfreaking idiots, right?
And so, yeah, guess what yourkids are thinking about you,
especially when you behave likeone on top of it.
(40:01):
So what I love about therelationship with my kids and
it's more dominant with mydaughter just because she is
like full-on teenager with 16,you know it's like it's all
right there is she will call meout on my shit like regularly,
and then I can either pretendthat I'm the adult and she
(40:22):
better shut up because I'm doingthe adult stuff here and I'm
paying the bills and you putyour feet under my table, or I
can go like, oh shit, she'sright.
Like how can my 16-year-oldchild see where I'm tricking
everybody else so perfectly andplaying such a good show, right
and pretending I'm this, and shelooks right through all my
(40:43):
bullshit and that'suncomfortable and that's
uncomfortable to look at.
And I have a lot of compassionfor myself and for other parents
who just say you shut up nowand you don't tell me stuff like
that again, because you knowit's really hard to not say that
and to actually say oh shit,you're right, I'm sorry, I
(41:04):
fucked up.
And then you're thinking like,oh my God, this is the wisest
human being I can be around withand five minutes later they're
doing the stupidest thing in theworld and you're like how can
this wise human being be sostupid?
I'm so confused, what's goingon here?
Because there are kids, right,and they got those two sides,
they got this deep wisdom, butthey're also so freaking stupid.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
It's fun to watch yeah, uh, my children have been
calling me out since they'vebeen young.
They came here to be disruptors.
They were not here to conform,so, um yeah, and I leaned into
that.
I leaned into no longerdrinking the Kool-Aid as a
(41:47):
parent and thinking you know itall and wanting to avoid the
emotions.
They're rising up in you andthen look at it like what was I
experiencing at six thatmight've had some trauma that
they are showing me that I'm notwilling to experience and let
(42:08):
flow through.
Because you know, the mostchallenging and difficult thing
that you will do as a parent iswitness the pain in your
children and not be able to doanything about it, and it
activates a helplessness.
Yet if you can allow thehelplessness to coexist and
(42:29):
realize, just like you, theyhave their internal compass,
their GPS, their God programmingsystem within themselves and
they have to develop their toolsand they're going to make
mistakes.
They're going to have to gothrough their emotions.
They're going to have toexperience whatever path it is,
without you always interfering,because you don't have the
(42:53):
capacity to witness the pain.
And I think that's where wearen't educated enough as
parents.
We're told that we're not goodenough and we need to do better
to make sure we create a reallycozy nest for the birds and it's
like no, the birds have to flyout of the nest eventually and
keeping it cozy all the timedoesn't allow them to develop
(43:15):
their wings and their abilityand balance in that.
So I thank you for the humor andthe calling out, because
sometimes parents for myself, Istill fall into it at times,
especially with the teenagers,and the autonomy and the arguing
and it's like some of it it'slike you don't even see and
(43:37):
other parts it's like, oh, I'mnot even seeing about myself and
I'm being a hypocrite and I cancall that out after of saying
you know what?
I'm being a hypocrite, I justdon't know how to feel my
emotions and feel the fear rightnow and I'm just barking and
projecting it on you andactually repeating things, the
generational things that mymother did onto me, that I
(43:58):
haven't resolved within myself,and I'm just pushing it right
back down the generational gapand it's like, no, it's supposed
to stop with me because I havethe awareness.
Yet, just because I have theawareness, there is some process
to be able to access thatbehavior part, that nervous
system part that you're not justin the reactivity of it,
(44:20):
because it's a lot of build up,um.
It's very easy to just stopwhere it's like, communicate and
feel, um, but parenting who, itcan be a shit show.
I tell you, can you let thelisteners know where they can
find you, because I know they'vebeen hearing a lot, so now they
want to know where can I findemirate singh?
Speaker 3 (44:41):
probably the easiest is to just find me on Instagram.
On Facebook, a more fun placeis to find me on TikTok and
write me.
If you want to know more aboutme or you want to connect or you
feel like some sensation of ohmy God, I need to connect more
(45:02):
and deeper, just write me amessage.
I still manage all my ownaccounts.
I respond to my own messages.
It's not that I'm getting a lot, so it's very easy to do for me
and I really want to invitepeople to be open and to connect
.
If you feel like you havesomething important you can
share with me, share it with me.
(45:22):
Reach out.
Like we're human beings, we'remeant to connect with each other
.
We have this amazing tool ofthe internet where you can just
type in my name and five secondslater you can send me a message
.
I mean, this is something youknow we didn't have 10, 15, 20
years ago.
So let's use this tool.
(45:43):
Let's use this tool to createconnections, see how we can
uplift each other, support eachother and just start a
communication and start thoseconversations that are so
important for us, as humanbeings, to experience ourselves.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
So all that will be in the show links and at any
time in this conversation, ifthere was, you know, the raising
of your hair or you're gettinggoosebumps, or it felt like an
aha, that's your limbic systemletting you know that Amrit has
something for you.
So, as he said, reach out.
You see how approachable he isand, you know, ask the question.
(46:19):
You have no idea what openingthere may be with that
connection, yet you have to takethat first step.
You have no idea what openingthere may be with that
connection, yet you have to takethat first step.
You have to start trusting yourbody and its intelligence that
it's trying to communicate toyou, to reach out.
So you know, take those stepsand, like I said, all his
information will be in the shownotes so that it's easily
(46:40):
clickable, so that you canconnect with him.
Emerit, I want to ask you isthere anything that you want to
leave the listeners so that theycan continue on their journey?
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yes, have fun.
It's all just one big game andwhen we're playing games, the
most important thing is not totake it all so serious and not
want to have to win andeverybody else has to lose so I
can win.
No like come on, let's havesome fun.
It's a little bit like you'replaying a game with your
five-year-old You're not goingto just crush them and be like
(47:13):
yeah, I won again in Monopoly,like let them buy something too,
you know, even if they don'tknow the numbers or whatever,
like it's all one big fun gameand I think the more we can
remind each other of that and wecan recognize, even when we see
someone struggling or someonemaking mistakes or treating us
badly and we're just saying, oh,it's just part of the game.
(47:33):
You know, like I don't have totake it all so personal.
That's kind of what I want toleave people with.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
I want to thank you for honoring me and the
listeners with the most valuablething you have in life, which
is your time.
So thank you so much for beinghere, for having this deep dive,
and thank you for the lightthat you shine in the world.
It is deeply appreciated and Ithank you for being here with us
.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Thanks for having me, Nat man.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Please remember to be kind to yourself.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Hey, you made it all the way here.
I appreciate you and your time.
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out.
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It's that they know somebodythat will benefit from listening
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(48:50):
Until next time, pleaseremember to be kind and gentle
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You matter.
Welcome to the Lift One Self podcast, where we break
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I'm your host, nat Nat, and wedive into topics about trauma
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Yet we don't just leave youthere.
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(00:21):
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Your presence matters.
Please like and subscribe toour podcast.
Help our community grow.
Let's get into this.
Oh, and please remember to bekind to yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Welcome to the Lift One Self podcast.
I'm your host, Nat Nat, and Iwant to thank you for being here
and I have a wonderful guestwhere we're going to do a really
deep dive because we weretalking before the recording.
So I'm looking really forwardto this conversation that we're
going to get into and beforethat, Emerick, could you
(00:57):
introduce yourself to myself?
Give me a little bit moredetail about you and the
listeners before we go into thisdeep dive?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Hey, nat Matt, thanks for having me on your podcast.
I'm super excited about thishour coming up, so I'll give you
a quick, one minute summary ofwhat's going on in my life.
I'm originally from Germany,where I lived first 25 years of
my life and I foundundalini yogaaround when I was 20.
(01:26):
Before that, I was smoking alot of weed and then suddenly,
you know this, this yoga journeyopened me up to oh, there's
more.
Out there I can feel highwithout being stoned and lying
on the sofa and not gettinganything done.
That's exciting.
So with 25, I decided to move toIndia and I was like, oh, I'm
(01:47):
just going to India and explore.
You know, that was like thething to do.
And then I ended up staying inIndia for 20 years and living
there and, you know, starting afamily and raising my kids and
really having the deep Indiaexperience.
So there was a lot of space formeditation, a lot of space for
(02:08):
yoga, a lot of really deepinternal work.
And then just recently, threeyears ago, I moved to Mexico
because my ex-wife is Mexicanand we decided we wanted to have
the kids have an experiencehere in Mexico and experience
the Mexican roots.
(02:29):
And so now I've been living forthree years in Valladolid in
Mexico and, like I was tellingyou in the beginning, living in
this beautiful spring climateall year round and really,
really enjoying having made thischoice all year round and
really, really enjoying havingmade this choice.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Wow.
Now I'm even more curious to getinto some dialogue about the
different environments, becausefrom Germany to India to Mexico,
those are like verysignificantly different
environments, weather-wise, butalso culturally.
Yet I'm sure there's a lot ofsimilarities that make it see
that we're much more closerconnected than we are separated.
(03:09):
Before we do that, will youjoin me in a two minute mindful
moment so we can groundourselves and open our heart for
the time and for the listeners?
As you always hear me with myspiels, safety first.
So if there's any prompts thatwould jeopardize your safety,
please stop and just fastforward over into the
(03:31):
conversation.
So, emerit, I'll ask you to getcomfortable in your seating and
, if it's safe to do so, gentlyclose your eyes and you're going
to begin breathing in and outthrough your nose and you're
going to bring your awareness towatching your breath go in and
(03:52):
out through your nose.
You're not going to try andcontrol your breath, you're just
going to be aware of the rhythm, allowing it to guide you into
your body.
There may be some sensations orfeelings coming up, and that's
okay, you're safe to feel.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You're safe to let go .
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Surrender the need to control, release the need to
resist and just be.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Be with your breath.
Release the need to resist andjust be.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Be with your breath Now.
There may be some thoughts ormemories that have popped up,
and that's okay.
Gently, bring your awarenessback to your breath.
Creating space between theawareness and the thoughts and
dropping even deeper into thebody, while keeping that
(04:51):
awareness on your breath andallowing yourself to just be.
Again, more thoughts may havepopped up.
Gently bring your awareness toyour breath, beginning again,
creating even more space betweenthe awareness and the thoughts,
(05:15):
and dropping even deeper intothe body.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Keeping the awareness on the breath and allowing
yourself to just be now at yourown time and at your own pace,
you're going to gently open youreyes while staying with the
(05:45):
breath.
How's your heart doing?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
My heart is doing great.
Thanks for asking.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So tell me a little bit about how life was in
Germany and what had you makethe move to a totally different
continent and culture andlanguage.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Oh wow, things were so different before.
I had my India experience, justbecause it was so dominant,
right.
20 years living in India, Imean it comes with a whole.
You could probably write awhole book on it.
But then I went back to Germany.
(06:25):
We ended up living there fortwo more years before we moved
to mexico here and we ended upgetting locked down doing covid
and that was just so rough.
The germans are so good infollowing rules and they're not.
Like there was a lot of rulesduring covid and guess what?
Everybody was following therules and it was so strict and
(06:49):
there was no going out, therewas no social contact, there was
no.
You know, like I, what reallythe biggest thing I realized
about my own germanness becausethis is something fun, I'm gonna
do this as a little anecdote onthe side when I'm in Germany,
I'm the least German guy out ofall the Germans, right?
(07:09):
And I was like, oh, you guysare so German.
This is ridiculous with yourbeing on time and this precision
and this and that, but when I'moutside of Germany, I'm always
the most German out of everybody.
So that is just like a littleside effect.
But you know, being in germanyand being in this strictness.
(07:30):
That's what the germans aregreat at.
The germans are great in gettingshit done, organizing stuff and
having like 100 rules andfollowing the 100 rules.
You know, I think really thatthe only culture that is more
intense in that level than usGermans is probably the Japanese
, you know.
But the Germans are a prettyclose second and so there's a
(07:54):
lot of benefit in that.
I mean, germany is a greatcountry to work in.
If you are going to work andyou're getting stuff done and
you're on the computer and atnine o'clock everybody's
available and you know like youcan go to a shop.
You're on the computer and atnine o'clock everybody's
available and you can go to ashop and it's supposed to open
at nine o'clock.
It's open at 8.59 and 30seconds.
I mean it's just great.
You can plan stuff.
(08:15):
Lots of fun.
But on the other hand also verylimiting.
As you're getting moredisciplined and more structured
like this, it narrows you andyou start getting stiff and you
start resenting things becauseit is not human to live like
that.
It's very effective to livelike that, but just not very
(08:37):
human.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So you mentioned for the kundalini, so some listeners
may hear, may hear.
Okay, he was talking aboutgetting high.
Yet once you started doingkundalini and really diving into
meditation and regulating thatnervous system, you spoke of an
inner high, getting high offyour own supply.
(08:58):
So can you let the listenersknow a little bit more of what
your experience is with that andlet them see a sneak peek,
because some may not even knowwhat that experience is?
I do, yet I'd like to hear whatyour experience is with it.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, it's a.
It's a fascinating subject.
It's something I think the mostcommon relationship mainstream
people have with it is therunner's high right.
If you've ever been a runner oryou've ever gotten a little bit
even into running, if you gorunning and you train your body
(09:34):
for two, three months toactually have that strength
build up, or when you wereyounger, and you can go run 10K
run, you get this internal highand that's why runners keep
running.
That's why they wake up at 5.30in the morning to go running in
the dark in minus five degreesand you're like are you insane?
(09:55):
Why would you do this toyourself?
But they get this high from itand so that's something your
human body can do.
Maybe another common thing iswhen you're just really happy
and your heart opens and youhave this really loving
experience.
You know, for a lot of us, weknow that maybe in sex, you know
(10:15):
, when we're connecting withanother human being.
You know, unfortunately,because it is so unconscious,
this is much bigger in thebeginning of any relationship
than 10 years into it, when itreally should be the other way
around.
But you know, we all have hadthose experiences, maybe when we
were 16, 17, 18, or wheneveryou know, like this, when this
(10:37):
deep, profound connection isthere, and so these internal
pathways are very human.
That's what we have the capacityto experience Kundalini yoga
and meditation and really manyother paths of yoga and
meditation too, and Tai Chi andI mean, like sacred Indian
(10:58):
medicine and traditions andshamanism, they all have these
techniques where you're usingyour breath, your body and the
whole human process to have adeep and profound experience of
connecting with the infinite.
And connecting with that.
There is more out there, and soone of the cool things I like
(11:22):
about Kundalini Yoga is it's adiscipline which has been
practiced for over 5,000 yearsand you know there's been a lot
of lot of yogis before us whohave practiced and refined and
added and changed and adjustedand really fine-tuned this
machine and it really works.
So if you don't understand anyof the stuff I just said, but
(11:47):
you want to experience it, gofind a Kundalini Yoga class,
commit 100% to the exercises, doit, do the breath, do the
singing, do the mantra and thenhave your own experience.
Don't believe a word I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, that's what I tell my clients all the time.
I'm like I could tell you allthe things that you want, yet
your mind will argue it becauseyou don't have the lived
experience Yet.
Once you experience something,you can try to argue yourself
that it didn't happen Yet onceit's happened for you, it's
truth for you.
So a lot of times people aretrying to replicate other
people's story rather thancreate their own story and
really understand thephysiological aspect of our body
(12:28):
.
Because what you wereexplaining is, for those that
are science heads, it'schemicals that are being
released, like sex, it'soxytocin, and when we have
oxytocin it makes us feel realgood.
And oxytocin is another chemicalthat helps with labor and birth
and life to proceed.
There's adrenaline, there'sendorphins, there's cortisol
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when we have fear, so there'sepinephrine.
So there's all these chemicalsthat we can activate internally.
Yet we just haven't been taughtthe method of activating those
things.
We've just been really gearedon activating cortisol with fear
and stress, like you said inthe regimental German aspect of
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thinking that you're a system ofproductivity rather than
humanness and experience lifeand have that connection.
Before we started recording,you said that there was
something that you recentlystarted to, that you recently
(13:34):
had an experience with, and thatwas in the realm of
psychedelics.
Are you willing to share whatthat experience?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
was.
Oh yeah, I would love to.
I mean, it was such a profoundand life-changing experience and
we all, you know, have heardabout psychedelics, right, if
it's LSD or mushrooms or MDMA orwhatever, and very quickly it
all gets clumped together as, oh, drugs, and drugs are bad,
right, which is very much theconditioning of our society.
(14:02):
And it's so interesting becauseit throws in, you know, heroin
and cocaine and alcohol and allthese heavy duty destructive
drugs which are really bad foryou.
And I think we're kind ofhaving a been having a
renaissance around the marijuanause, you know, even though that
comes with a lot of sideeffects too.
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But it is, you know, especiallyin the field of of health and
healing, an amazing tool to beused.
And so mushrooms have beenaround longer than we as humans
have been around, and thepsychedelic mushrooms are very
common actually, you know,they're everywhere, they're part
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of the life around us, andancient cultures have used these
psychedelic mushrooms forspiritual journeys, for
connection with spirit, forgoing high and connecting, and I
think, with, you know, thedevelopment of the modern world.
(15:05):
We pushed all that aside, right?
Ooh, this is crazy.
And all this shamanistichealing stuff and all that
non-scientific can't be true,because we can't prove it in the
laboratory.
But then really, when youreally deep dive and take a look
at it, you recognize how thiswhole natural approach, this
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whole approach which has beenthere for thousands of years
with our ancestors, is actuallymuch more scientific than this
current scientific model.
We have where we're, you know,where we're in our baby steps,
right, where we're just figuringstuff out.
I mean, we can't evenunderstand how the human body
works, but we're just, you know,where we're in our baby steps,
right, where we're just figuringstuff out.
I mean, we can't evenunderstand how the human body
works, but we're just, you know,we can do little cells and now
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I can do a little bit ofchromosomes and it's great,
right, I mean there's a lot inthere.
I'm not dissing science here,I'm just saying hey, like let's
allow both to come together.
So this showed a little bit as apreference in my experience I
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had just recently with themushrooms, and it was
life-changing and I was in atherapeutic setting with a deep,
essential level with theuniverse, with the creator, and
(16:35):
experience myself as one, andyou know, not just as part of it
but as unity with it, unitywith it, and it was such a
profound, life-changingexperience that I came out of it
really saying like, oh my God,you know, I need to do more in
the world, I need to give moreback to the world, I want to be
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a kinder person, I want to, youknow, have more uplifting
relationships.
And so it gave me so manypositive things to work with in
this integration phase.
Right, because it's not aboutgoing high.
This is the interesting thingin working with mushrooms or any
of the other psychedelics.
What's much more important inthe process is to go high and
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have the experience and thentake that with you into our
human experience, with you intoour human experience.
Because, although we arespiritual beings coming here on
this earth to have a humanexperience, this connection,
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it's not about escaping from ourhumanness.
It's not about getting awayfrom the pain, the emotions, the
suffering, the heaviness of thehuman experience.
No, that's why we came.
This human experience is reallythis special and unique thing.
My spiritual teacher alwayssaid like you guys don't
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understand it, there is angelsstanding in line, souls standing
in line waiting to have thishuman experience, and you guys
are down here pissing it awayLike, come on, wake up.
This is such a unique gift tobe human, experience in this
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mushroom journey where, comingdown from it and feeling back
into my body, feeling back intomy humanness, I could make that
connection between God, theinfinite, and myself and my
humanness and really appreciateevery little struggle and every
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little challenge and everylittle pain and every raindrop
in my face, because it's so easyto appreciate the good things
in life.
Oh my God, I had an amazingtalk with my good friend, or I
had this amazing thing.
But to appreciate the pain ismuch more challenging, right,
and to really embrace it and tocome to the point to say this is
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just as powerful and as humanas these wonderful moments and
I'm going to stop judging themand going to stop saying I only
want beautiful and positiveexperiences in my life and I'm
not willing to experience thepain and the suffering.
And then something reallyinteresting happens.
The moment you mentally connect, that piece happens.
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The moment you mentally connectthat piece or you say I'm
embracing the full experience.
Now, suddenly you only haveamazing stuff happen to you.
You stomp your foot and yourtoe is bleeding and you're
saying, oh my God, you know,this helps me to be conscious
and be more grounded and be moreaware of what's going on and
you take care of of your toe,but you're not cursing the world
(19:46):
anymore saying, oh my god, poorme.
I'm suffering.
Life is so horrible.
Please release me.
I need to have my bottle ofwhiskey so I can enjoy my
netflix tonight, right?
No, it's not about that anymore.
It's about arriving here andrecognizing that everything we
get to experience is a gift.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, you just mirrored what my experience has
been for the last decade, and Iknow a lot of people will say
that I'm weird.
What do you mean?
Lean into the pain?
What do you mean lean into thechallenges, when we have a
society that has everything inthe market to numb pain?
(20:31):
And I think a lot of times withthe psychedelics it's used as
disassociation and they want tobe in the high state and they're
not realizing it's integration.
You're trying, as you said,escapism, trying to escape from
the experience of life, thereality, the as is of where you
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are, and also reframing yourperception of what you're
considering to be abundant,because we're so tethered in
thinking accomplishments andsuccess and materialistic things
are abundance.
When seeing a sunrise is themost abundant experience, not
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the most, yet one of the mostabundant experience that you can
have Hearing a baby's laughter,smelling fresh grass, feeling
the warm breeze, feeling the icecold, being fascinated with the
whole experience, when you canallow yourself to be whole with
a W, as you said, the way thatyou show up in life is such a
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fascinating way.
Yet there has to be a choice ofhow you're going to reframe
your mindset, because yournervous system is built out of
negative bias, so it wants to beprimed of only getting it your
way.
Yet once you can rewire thatand recognize I don't need
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expectations to put me in anelevated state.
The world doesn't need to go myway to have me in an elevated
mental state.
I can actually accept the as isof this reality.
Is it painful?
Yeah.
Does it suck sometimes?
Yeah, yet you can still feelthat sucky part and still allow
joy to be present.
(22:20):
It's not one or the other, it'sactually allowing a multitude
of feeling your humanness.
And so I really appreciate youexplaining what that psychedelic
aspect and for some thatthey're hearing mushrooms in
this world and I know it'sreally a big hype for
psychedelics it's psilocybinthat he's referring to and so
(22:45):
being able to use that, becausea lot of times people are using
the psychedelics as a party drug, as an escapism again, as a way
to disassociate, to take theedge off of the pain, the edge
off of what reality is.
Yet when they have to come backinto their reality, there
becomes a real, sometimes asignificant depression, because
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there's missing that integration, and that's where it can be
very harmful for people.
That's why it's, I think, veryimportant that you're around
people.
That have your best intention,not the best intention of
profiting off of people.
It's actually the bestintention for theiting off of
people.
It's actually the bestintention for the collective in
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the community.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, and I want to jump in there because this is
such a powerful point.
You know, there's nothingagainst parties and going in a
high elevated state into a partyyeah, amazing.
But don't use psychedelics,then drink alcohol on top of it
and then then smoke some weedand then jump around for five
hours like a crazy person andthen completely miss the most
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important piece, which is theintegration, and then pass out
somewhere on the lawn.
That doesn't make any sense.
Do it in a ritualistic setting,do it with a guide, do it with
someone who brings experience toit.
One powerful thing I realized inthis process is if you have
someone by your side as you arejourneying into these realms,
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who is holding a powerfulmeditative state with you,
holding presence for you, thatis life changing and that allows
you to really travel down thispath with a lot of confidence
and with a lot of support,because you know you got this
powerful presence with you.
And another interesting thing Iwant to share from my
(24:43):
psychedelic experience was oneof the thing which everybody who
has tried psychedelics knowsabout is there comes the point
where it gets a little scary.
Right, there's somethinghappens where you go like, oh,
and you want to turn around andrun the other way and that's
like the worst thing you can do.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
What you need to do is you need to turn around and
face it and sit with it and belike, okay, let me look in your
face, and then that dissolvesjust in milliseconds and it
shoots you up higher into thenext level of experience you can
be in.
And so for me, doing thispsychedelic experience, which
was really powerful, was that,after this happening a couple
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times, I I caught on to it and Iwas like, oh, and then I
started looking for all the, themonsters and the painful and
the scary things and I really Ifound them and I was like, oh,
let's sit together.
Now and again I got shot uphigher and then a funny thing
happened there wasn't any moremonsters to find.
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Well, I was like, oh, I musthave arrived.
And that was very cool.
And so what I again in thisintegration phase, took with me
is that when these undesirablethings happen in life, they're
actually a gift.
They're a gift to look closer,they're a gift to sit with it,
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and when you sit with it and youfeel the pain and you feel the
contraction and whatever happensinside of your body, that will
then be the fuel to catapultyour higher, into that true
human identity.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
For some that they need some.
Other context, which you justexplained, is that shadow work.
There are places withinourselves that we've, you know,
kind of pushed away or put intoa junk drawer or thought that we
got over it.
Where it's all about theintegration.
And if you're not doingpsychedelics, the other way to
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go through that is feeling yourauthentic emotions.
These emotions feel really bigand really scary, yet if you
feel them, they only last a fewseconds.
Going through it withoutpsychedelics can feel like an
eternity, yet when you do,there's an opening and there's a
flood of energy that comes upin a rush and it's like this is
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always naturally here and it'slike, yeah, you've just been
suppressing it with theseemotions that you haven't been
able to feel and release, sothat the defense mechanisms of
that nervous system that areprotecting your vulnerability,
the sensitivity that areprotecting your vulnerability,
the sensitivity, the onenessthat they open up and you're
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fully connected because, how youjust explained, it is what
trauma is Trauma, thoseexperiences that were painful
separated you from self, the bigS, the oneness, god, divine
whatever that word you use forthat higher power, and it's the
journey to reconnect into thatself.
So, like you said, those bigmonsters and scary.
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It's like I don't think I havethe capacity to face this, to go
through it, to feel it.
And it's like you do, though,because it's just feeling some
pain and it's redefining whatpain is.
A lot of us don't realize we'recreating a lot of psychological
suffering for ourselves thatfeels like pain, and we don't
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even realize we're the one doingit.
We think it's on the outside,from people's judgments,
people's perceptions, people'sauthority, which some of it does
have its contribution.
Yet the empowerment isrecognizing.
You have the choice of howyou're going to view things, how
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you're going to perceive things.
Does it happen right away?
No, not for many.
It's a tool that you have todevelop and reframe your mind
that when it's trying to go thisway, it's like no, no, no, you
forget there's just this waythat we go now.
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It's just moving forward.
Yet it takes profound depths ofwillingness and it's a simple
term and it's not complicated.
It might be complex, it's justbeing able to practice it
continuously.
Yet the gift of psychedelics isit opens you up very quickly If
you're willing to, and you havea really great guide to hold
that space to let you know youhave the capacity to experience
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this experience.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, I love it.
I mean, it's so powerful.
And I think the one thing thatcame to my mind as you were
speaking is you know, for me itwas always hard to surrender my
mind.
You know, when you're very minddominant and very powerful, you
know like and you're dependingin your ego identity, a lot on
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your mind, how quick you canthink, how much faster you might
be than other people, how wellthink for people like me, I
think it's if you want togeneralize it, it is probably
(30:09):
more with male or very masculinehuman beings.
You know, because women canalso be very masculine.
In this mental approach, right,in this very ego focused
approach, in this very like ahfeeling is for weak people,
right, it's this lower thing ofah, no, no, no, we don't feel we
don't want to be like a and Isay this very much on purpose
(30:32):
like a little girl, becausereally the little girl is like
such a beautiful manifestationof this authentic, pure
connection with life.
Right, and we're using thisupside down in a way to put
someone down.
I mean, it's like it blows mymind, right, because really we
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should all want to be likelittle girls.
You know, like, that's like themost amazing state you can be
in.
Now, I lost my track of mind,but no, what I wanted to explain
is it's this Now I lost mytrack of mind, but no, what I
wanted to explain is it's thiswhen we're that stuck in our way
of thinking, mind is everything, emotion is nothing.
Anytime I feel emotion, it getsin my way.
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Let me just mentally resolveeverything here, and that's
where something powerful likepsychedelics can really be a
tool, because it allows toshortcut this path, which
otherwise might take 10, 20, 30years, and you can get there
right away.
And suddenly you realize, oh myGod, I was on the wrong track
(31:39):
for my entire life and I need toreevaluate everythinguate
everything.
And that's scary too.
I think that's why a lot ofpeople are scared of
psychedelics, because they'relike oh my god, now I'm gonna
not want to be a softwareengineer anymore.
Oh, I not want to be, you know,like making a lot of money and
buying a big house and buying abig car anymore.
(32:00):
No, no, no, let's not mess withthat.
You know, I think I kind oflike it.
But there comes an interestingpart in the, in our midlife,
where we're questioning thesethings or we're saying like why
am I going to work for 10 hoursa day, every single day, and
have one week of holiday a year,like, where is the sense in all
of this?
And I think that's where it allties together.
(32:22):
You know, when you really findthat why and that reason, why
are we alive in the first place?
And when you experience thatfor yourself, rather than just
read someone else talking on itor listen to what the religion
says, or listen to what the newguru from India says about it,
or you know like and reallyexperience it for yourself,
where you can say, oh, I knowwhy I'm here, why am I am alive,
(32:47):
and that's very cool.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah, I think also too, from my own experience, is
that you come to see the thingsthat you used as coping
mechanisms to kind of soothe thewound, that you no longer need
those things.
So it shifts your lifestyle andhow and the things that you
thought were needs were actuallyjust wants in order to soothe
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that pain, that deep ache of awound.
That you can actually face thewound and be there for yourself,
not go on the outside ofyourself.
That you start creating safetywithin your body, not trying to
grasp it on the outside.
In this world, like in a lot ofreligious texts, the statement
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is you're in the world butyou're not of it and really
embodying that like to.
Really there's a difference.
Like you know, a lot of peopleare like I know that and I'm
like you know what we all knowand you know what.
If that were to work, the worldwould be so much different.
Yet take that knowing and be it.
Like you know, you say to doacts of kindness and it's like
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can you be kind?
Can it just be in your being tobe kind, so you don't have to
analyze it and think of thesteps and do it's like it just
opens up and evolves andpresents these moments where you
might even have challenges tobe kind because the feeling of
anger or protection is activated.
(34:19):
And what does kindness looklike?
Kindness evolves.
It's not a passive state, likesaying a no to somebody is
kindness, but people think it'sall opening and just being
passive and being walked allover and it's like no, like this
is not that aspect.
It's giving yourselfredefinition and allowing you to
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embody your uniqueness.
In a world that talks aboutdiversity, so many people are
averse to it.
They want utopia, and there isno such thing as utopia.
There is going to be pain,there's going to be destruction.
Like you know, people aretalking about babies.
The birthing process is verypainful and ugly and, you know,
(35:07):
very violent.
Yet nobody really wants that.
They think it's all like ohkumbaya and beautiful and it is
a beautiful experience, yetthere's a lot of violence and
pain in it and we want to justcompartmentalize things rather
than look and accept it all,because God is in all of that,
yet no, no, no, it's just thebeauty part and it's like no,
(35:30):
god, life is in all of that, yetonce you can come out of your
head and drop into your body andallow your nervous system to
regulate and release these BS,which are belief systems.
Somebody put me onto thatbecause I used to say the BS for
bullshit.
Yet really the bullshit is thebelief systems that keep you
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imprisoned rather than becurious of what's beyond this
belief that I have, how do Iexperience life in the unknown
and that uncertainty?
And the way that you describedyour experiences is exactly that
and I thank you for you knowbeing vulnerable and sharing
that so that it helps somebodyelse to be curious about it.
(36:17):
Yet also be informed.
So be informed, and I highlyhighly when I talk about party
drugs and not using it in thatway.
We all go through our phases.
When I was in my teens and my20s, I had a very colorful life,
very colorful.
(36:38):
Okay, some of it I want to belike oh my gosh, was I really
like that?
Yet I have that, thoseexperiences, because now I hold
a space of non-judgment becauseI've experienced it.
I have radical compassionbecause, just like me, you're
not aware of certain things.
Yet now that I've opened up someof my awareness, it's recognize
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if you are trying to numb yourpain, the pain doesn't go away.
It doesn't go away.
It actually is a superpowerthat can empower you to show up?
Is it a process?
Yeah.
Is there requiring somestillness?
Yeah, it's stillness.
In a world that wants tostimulate you 24-7 feels like a
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threat, yet your healing is inthat stillness.
So allow yourself to journeyinto that stillness.
But once you start, it doesn'tmean, like you said, when you're
smoking weed and just sittingon the couch watching Netflix,
this kind of high gets you goinginto.
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I'm using time as a tool, not atoy.
How am I going to use this toolwisely?
How am I going to use thisenergy to really be curious and
alive in life?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
You mentioned that you are a parent.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
How many children do you have?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I got two my daughter is 16 and my son is 12.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Okay, so you're teenagers.
Okay, and preteen.
What I've learned for myself?
I think my highest spiritualpractice of learning about
myself was the reflection thatmy children were mirroring to me
.
Did you share that sameexperience in your parenting
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journey?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Oh, big time Actually .
For those 20 years I lived inIndia.
I worked at an internationalboarding school, so I got 20
years of practicing being a dadto 100 teenagers and that was
big and so really, on one hand,prepared me more than a normal
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parent is prepared, right?
Because the thing withparenting always is, you know,
by the time you figured out atwo-year-old boy, you got a
three-year-old and you're like,oh shit, nothing of that stuff
which worked with two works now.
And then you know like in mycase it was like I figured out
how to work with a girl forevery year, and then I got a boy
(39:17):
and I was like, oh my god, noweverything changed again, and
that is challenging by itself.
There's no, no structure and nobaseline in there.
And they're so real and what Ialways remind people of who have
children of their own and say,oh my god, my kids are not
listening to me and they're notdoing what I'm doing, especially
(39:39):
with teenagers, right, how wereyou when you were 15?
Exactly, what were you thinkingabout?
The capacity of your parents?
And then they get really quietand they go like, oh yeah, I
thought my parents were suchfreaking idiots, right?
And so, yeah, guess what yourkids are thinking about you,
especially when you behave likeone on top of it.
(40:01):
So what I love about therelationship with my kids and
it's more dominant with mydaughter just because she is
like full-on teenager with 16,you know it's like it's all
right there is she will call meout on my shit like regularly,
and then I can either pretendthat I'm the adult and she
(40:22):
better shut up because I'm doingthe adult stuff here and I'm
paying the bills and you putyour feet under my table, or I
can go like, oh shit, she'sright.
Like how can my 16-year-oldchild see where I'm tricking
everybody else so perfectly andplaying such a good show, right
and pretending I'm this, and shelooks right through all my
(40:43):
bullshit and that'suncomfortable and that's
uncomfortable to look at.
And I have a lot of compassionfor myself and for other parents
who just say you shut up nowand you don't tell me stuff like
that again, because you knowit's really hard to not say that
and to actually say oh shit,you're right, I'm sorry, I
(41:04):
fucked up.
And then you're thinking like,oh my God, this is the wisest
human being I can be around withand five minutes later they're
doing the stupidest thing in theworld and you're like how can
this wise human being be sostupid?
I'm so confused, what's goingon here?
Because there are kids, right,and they got those two sides,
they got this deep wisdom, butthey're also so freaking stupid.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
It's fun to watch yeah, uh, my children have been
calling me out since they'vebeen young.
They came here to be disruptors.
They were not here to conform,so, um yeah, and I leaned into
that.
I leaned into no longerdrinking the Kool-Aid as a
(41:47):
parent and thinking you know itall and wanting to avoid the
emotions.
They're rising up in you andthen look at it like what was I
experiencing at six thatmight've had some trauma that
they are showing me that I'm notwilling to experience and let
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flow through.
Because you know, the mostchallenging and difficult thing
that you will do as a parent iswitness the pain in your
children and not be able to doanything about it, and it
activates a helplessness.
Yet if you can allow thehelplessness to coexist and
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realize, just like you, theyhave their internal compass,
their GPS, their God programmingsystem within themselves and
they have to develop their toolsand they're going to make
mistakes.
They're going to have to gothrough their emotions.
They're going to have toexperience whatever path it is,
without you always interfering,because you don't have the
(42:53):
capacity to witness the pain.
And I think that's where wearen't educated enough as
parents.
We're told that we're not goodenough and we need to do better
to make sure we create a reallycozy nest for the birds and it's
like no, the birds have to flyout of the nest eventually and
keeping it cozy all the timedoesn't allow them to develop
(43:15):
their wings and their abilityand balance in that.
So I thank you for the humor andthe calling out, because
sometimes parents for myself, Istill fall into it at times,
especially with the teenagers,and the autonomy and the arguing
and it's like some of it it'slike you don't even see and
(43:37):
other parts it's like, oh, I'mnot even seeing about myself and
I'm being a hypocrite and I cancall that out after of saying
you know what?
I'm being a hypocrite, I justdon't know how to feel my
emotions and feel the fear rightnow and I'm just barking and
projecting it on you andactually repeating things, the
generational things that mymother did onto me, that I
(43:58):
haven't resolved within myself,and I'm just pushing it right
back down the generational gapand it's like, no, it's supposed
to stop with me because I havethe awareness.
Yet, just because I have theawareness, there is some process
to be able to access thatbehavior part, that nervous
system part that you're not justin the reactivity of it,
(44:20):
because it's a lot of build up,um.
It's very easy to just stopwhere it's like, communicate and
feel, um, but parenting who, itcan be a shit show.
I tell you, can you let thelisteners know where they can
find you, because I know they'vebeen hearing a lot, so now they
want to know where can I findemirate singh?
Speaker 3 (44:41):
probably the easiest is to just find me on Instagram.
On Facebook, a more fun placeis to find me on TikTok and
write me.
If you want to know more aboutme or you want to connect or you
feel like some sensation of ohmy God, I need to connect more
(45:02):
and deeper, just write me amessage.
I still manage all my ownaccounts.
I respond to my own messages.
It's not that I'm getting a lot, so it's very easy to do for me
and I really want to invitepeople to be open and to connect
.
If you feel like you havesomething important you can
share with me, share it with me.
(45:22):
Reach out.
Like we're human beings, we'remeant to connect with each other
.
We have this amazing tool ofthe internet where you can just
type in my name and five secondslater you can send me a message
.
I mean, this is something youknow we didn't have 10, 15, 20
years ago.
So let's use this tool.
(45:43):
Let's use this tool to createconnections, see how we can
uplift each other, support eachother and just start a
communication and start thoseconversations that are so
important for us, as humanbeings, to experience ourselves.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
So all that will be in the show links and at any
time in this conversation, ifthere was, you know, the raising
of your hair or you're gettinggoosebumps, or it felt like an
aha, that's your limbic systemletting you know that Amrit has
something for you.
So, as he said, reach out.
You see how approachable he isand, you know, ask the question.
(46:19):
You have no idea what openingthere may be with that
connection, yet you have to takethat first step.
You have no idea what openingthere may be with that
connection, yet you have to takethat first step.
You have to start trusting yourbody and its intelligence that
it's trying to communicate toyou, to reach out.
So you know, take those stepsand, like I said, all his
information will be in the shownotes so that it's easily
(46:40):
clickable, so that you canconnect with him.
Emerit, I want to ask you isthere anything that you want to
leave the listeners so that theycan continue on their journey?
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yes, have fun.
It's all just one big game andwhen we're playing games, the
most important thing is not totake it all so serious and not
want to have to win andeverybody else has to lose so I
can win.
No like come on, let's havesome fun.
It's a little bit like you'replaying a game with your
five-year-old You're not goingto just crush them and be like
(47:13):
yeah, I won again in Monopoly,like let them buy something too,
you know, even if they don'tknow the numbers or whatever,
like it's all one big fun gameand I think the more we can
remind each other of that and wecan recognize, even when we see
someone struggling or someonemaking mistakes or treating us
badly and we're just saying, oh,it's just part of the game.
(47:33):
You know, like I don't have totake it all so personal.
That's kind of what I want toleave people with.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
I want to thank you for honoring me and the
listeners with the most valuablething you have in life, which
is your time.
So thank you so much for beinghere, for having this deep dive,
and thank you for the lightthat you shine in the world.
It is deeply appreciated and Ithank you for being here with us
.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Thanks for having me, Nat man.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Please remember to be kind to yourself.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Hey, you made it all the way here.
I appreciate you and your time.
If you found value in thisconversation, please share it
out.
If there was somebody thatpopped into your mind, take
action and share it out withthem.
It possibly may not be themthat will benefit.
It's that they know somebodythat will benefit from listening
to this conversation.
(48:26):
So please take action and shareout the podcast.
You can find us on social mediaon Facebook, Instagram and
TikTok under Lift One Self, andif you want to inquire about the
work that I do and the servicesthat I provide to people, come
over on my website, come into adiscovery call liftoneselfcom.
(48:50):
Until next time, pleaseremember to be kind and gentle
with yourself.
You matter.
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