Chasing My Potential Through 58 Marathons | George Sheppard #619 - Man That Can with Lachlan Stuart

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George Sheppard (00:01):
And we're good to go.
Yes, and a very good afternoonto you one and all.
I'm your host, george Shepard,for a very special episode of
man that Can podcast.
Today on the show we've got ourvery first guest, mr Lachlan
Stewart, who seemingly has losthis marbles and has decided to
run 58 states, 58 marathons,sorry, across 58 states in 58

(00:24):
days, an absolutely insane taskthat I don't believe anybody has
ever accomplished before, andI've prepared some hard-hitting
questions here for the manhimself.
Don't you cheat?
Don't you look ahead at theanswers at the questions?
But well, shall we just getstarted?
Are you nervous?

Lachlan Stuart (00:42):
I'm nervous and are we running with that voice?
I?

would be nervous.
I would be very nervous too.
It's class.
Yes, we are running with thisvoice today, and if I get tired
of it I will stop, but right nowI'm having quite a bit of fun.
So the very first question,lachlan Stewart, what the fuck
is wrong with you?
What inspired you to take onsuch an extreme challenge, and

(01:09):
how did you come up with theidea of 58 marathons in 58
states in 58 days?
The viewers want to know.

The viewers want to know.
I almost want to put on anaccent for this one too.
Firstly, happy birthday.
Oh, thank you very much.
It is your 37th day around thesun.
It is, and I appreciate youvery much.
It is your 37th day around thesun, it is.
I appreciate you saying so.
Stop dodging the question.
You've taken some time out ofyour day for this, so why?
What inspired it?
Was the question.

Yes, I believe it was.
What the fuck is wrong with you?

What the fuck is wrong with me has been.
It's a question we'll probablynever get to the bottom of.
I think I'm just not all there.
What inspired this challenge?
The challenge was inspired bythe fact that I was sitting in
America and for the last 12months, I've not been able to do
a lot of things from a careerstandpoint, and I've watched you

(01:55):
guys live an inspired life anddo what you want to do, and I've
always had this idea thatthat's what I want to be doing.
Amy inspired me to do that 10years ago and then, obviously,
as we've spent more timetogether and Emma, I see you all
doing it, and so for me, I'mlike well, I'm very happy with
my life, I've got a great life,but I want to do more.
And then I had a podcast guest,which was, at the time, the

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podcast guest that I was tellingyou I was most excited about
James Lawrence Iron Cowboy.
He did 50 Ironmans, 50 daysacross 50 states with his family
, and I was like, man, that'spretty cool, that would be a
great way to see the country.
And the idea went around myhead and I was like I can't do
that because he's already donethat.
I need to do somethingdifferent.
So I borrowed his idea and thenI was like maybe Australia,

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sorry, the USA states, the NewZealand states and the
Australian states.
And then I realized New Zealanddoesn't do states, they do like
regions.
And there were 16 of thebastards, so I'm not doing 16
more marathons, so I scratchedNew Zealand.
Nobody likes Kiwis.
Anyway, all the Kiwis are goingto come after you.
Then we landed with Australiaand I was like how good getting

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to tour like two countries thatobviously we live in the US,
love Australia and always willcall it home.
But get to see that Becausewe've traveled probably more of
America than we have Australiaby car and it's been cool to see
those ones and then just havethat adventure.
But also get to challengemyself, bring community together
, but also see what I'm made ofbring community together but
also see what I'm made of Liketo try, and maybe I could

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imagine, george, that if I'mhaving 2,500 meters running, so
that's about 10, I don't evenknow 1,000 hours of running or
100 hours.
Maybe 100 sounds more correct.
That's a lot of time to be inyour head.
I'm going to learn a lot aboutmyself, so I think that's fun
and that's what I've done it for, and I hope as a byproduct I

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inspire people to do greaterthings in their life.

That's where we're at Very good.
Actually, I will stop theshtick now because… Hurting your
eyes.

I can't see through those glasses.

And this is actually a serious interview
that they look so ridiculous.

I knew that it was awesome.

I want to make sure that we do get into the uh,
the crux of of what makeslachlan tick here, without
becoming a a comedic routine.
Um, you did, you did mentionthat.
Uh, you know it's a lot of timespent up in your head and, uh,
one of my questions here I'mjust going to jump down a little
bit because I feel like youknow, there's going to be quite
a a lot of moments where there'ssomebody running with you.

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You know people are coming onthe journey with you, but for
the most part, this is going tobe a very long and lonely road
for you.

Yeah.

And you know it's not just.
It's not just one marathon.
This is 58 in a row and there'sgoing to be times when you're
up in your own head and you knowtalking yourself out of it.
How do you deal with that voicein your head and how do you
deal with those lonely momentson the road?
Do you find peace in thosemoments?

Look, I'm not going to lie and say I find
peace.
I think there's definitelytimes where I do find peace,
like when I was testing back inNashville doing back-to-back
marathons and halves.
They got to a point where Icouldn't even listen to music,
like my head was just like on itwas just on a different planet
and I didn't enjoy that.
I just needed to hear nature,like that was awesome.

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So I'll be very interested tobe in that state in a city where
there's a lot of things goingon.
But I feel for myself it's thechallenge of how I'm going to
respond to adversity, becausethis is I've chosen to do this
and the reason, you know, one ofthe reasons why I've done it is
I've always struggled, you know.
I'm sure you've seen mestruggle with my mental health,
like some days I'm awesome andother days I'm, you know, at

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rock bottom, and but so for me,doing things like that puts me
in that position by a choice,and it allows me to choose how I
respond to that.
So I can either listen to whatmy voice is telling me where
it's like quit, it's cold, oryou're hurting, or you don't
have to do this, or I can dowhat I choose to do, which is

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like push through it, and I knowthat I'm in control of my mind,
which gives me more confidenceon a sad and rainy day where I'm
like, well, I've been herebefore, I've got to just ride it
out.
So I think for me that's how Ilook at handling it, and another
part of it is there are peoplethat I know, you know, work in
mental health, so a lot ofpeople that are close to me

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myself included have momentswhere they can't get control of
that, and so I hope to inspirepeople by doing something that
they may seem ridiculous Sorry,they may view as ridiculous.
To me it's not super ridiculous, but to them go.
If Lockie can do that, maybe Ican get through whatever I'm
going through.

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That's the idea.
So there's like the intrinsicyou know the self-battle that
I'm always dealing with day in,day out.
And so there's like theintrinsic you know the self
battle that I'm always dealingwith day in, day out.
And then there's, hopefully,inspiring other people, and so
when I'm, when I'm losing thefight with myself, I sort of
look bigger picture and I'm likewho's relying on me?
What am I really doing this for?
And I grab motivation, you know, that's why it's so good when

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we travel.
You know the six of us.
It's like now that we've spentso much time together, everyone
sort of understands everyone'smood and what they need when
they're in a specific mood.
You know, for me it's like youguys accept that sometimes I
just fucking want to be left inthe back left hand corner of the
car and have my airpods anddon't want to talk to anyone and
that's me recharging.
It's not that I don't want tobe around people, um, but then

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there's times where it's I'mmaybe struggling, but then
you'll say something stupidthat's laughable, and then it
pulls me out of that, and thenvice versa.
You know, I'm sure we all leanon each other and that's one of
the best parts about community.
So, yeah, if I'm struggling,which I'm sure I definitely will
, you know I'll have liam thereor, you know, have wes is coming
along, or etienne, or I'll beable to facTime you guys and

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that will help.
And I think one of the bestthings that I've, the best
toolkit that I've built, isunderstanding the things that
help me and at what point I needto use them.
Does that answer the question?

Yeah, definitely, and it's probably
important to note that it'sbecause I get that whole thing
of being able to switch on thatrobot mode, yeah, and, you know,
in a much lesser capacity,being sober for the entire year,
uh, which I've never, I'venever done in my life.

By the way, this is my first birthday that I've.

I've not had a drink since I was 18, so this is
is that why you're sweatingright now?
No, I, I do, uh, appreciatethat, because you know you can
switch it up, switch it on andoff as like a robot mode, and
nothing's going to get in theway.
But this is like a nextdimension of that, because there

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is it's not just like oh, youknow, friday night rolls around,
oh, I could have a beer.
No, no, I'm not going to do itlike that's an easy decision to
make, whereas this is everysingle day for 58 days.
Yeah, you're having to switchit on and not just the runs,
like you've got the travel andit's the logistics behind it

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trying to make sure you'reeating enough, making sure that
your muscles aren't gettingtight.
You know all the things thatare around the run.

Liam's got to be busy rubbing my muscles.

Yeah, a little private time for the muscles,
yeah, a little private time forthe boys, but you know that,
like the runs, you know, in anessence, are the easiest part of
what you're about to do, Iagree, um.
So, yeah, it is.
It is quite commendable that,yeah, you're able to, you know,
have that mental challenge.
And that's that leads into mynext question.
I mean, obviously you're doingthe, the physical training, but
how do you mentally prepare forsomething like this?
How do you?
What's the training like forthe inside of the brain?

for me, I feel I've been training the mind for
years because if I think aboutand you probably there's a lot
of people who listen to this oreven that I spend time around.
Now that didn't know me adecade ago when I was a
different person.
And for me it's like every dayI've been battling that and
people talk.
You know I've had people talkabout addiction and I would
never say I was addicted toanything apart from beating

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myself up internally.
So I've spent my whole, fromthe moment I finished school,
beating myself up for not beinggood enough, because I failed at
football.
I walked away and even to thesedays I have so many regrets
about so many things.
So, every day, the fact that Ican get up and get into the gym
because I don't people thinkthat I love training and I love

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getting up early, but it's justwhat I've conditioned myself to
do because it's what I believemakes me the best version of
myself myself to do.
Because it's what I believemakes me the best version of
myself, because if I don't getup early, I then get in my head
and I feel lazy and you knowpeople say switch.
It's probably like peoplesaying to you go to bed earlier
when your zone of genius is atnight.
You know, for me my zone ofgenius is 24.
Sorry, sorry, get ahead of myhead.

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How dare I accuse?
But yeah, I know what you'resaying.
Yeah, so for me it's.
I choose to be disciplined anddo these things and that's the
battle.
Like I'm always training mymind because to get up at you
know, whatever time I'm gettingup five, and consistently do
that when it's cold, when it's,you know, I I've not much sleep,
like even when we're on tour,I'm still getting up, still

(11:01):
training, still working.
Nothing stops and that's mebuilding that muscle.
And so now it's just on abigger scale.
So I think, when people look atit, whether it's the physical
component that people are likegobsmacked at, or it's the
logistical component, or it'shaving two months away from my
wife, or whatever it is, to meI've been training that on a

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smaller scale, just in what I do, much like you've trained your
ability to be able to.
You may be having a crap day,but as soon as a fan walks in
the door, you're on and no onewould know what's going on.
And so to me I'm like how thefuck do you do that?
Because I would love to be ableto do that, but I can't.
But somehow you do so.

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For me, that's like what I'm inawe of, much like people on the
other side.
So I think everyone's got thatthing.
And the more you double down onit and condition it whatever
that looks like you're alwayslooking for, okay, how can I
test it a little bit more?
And for me, I'm just driven bythe fact that I wouldn't say I'm
in a point where I don't thinkI'm good enough, but I

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definitely haven't achieved whatI think I'm capable of.
So I'm, you know, doing what Ifeel.
You know we all have a gift.
I think my gift is like doinghard shit to like, you know,
suffering or doing things thatmost people would never commit
to doing, especially like in ourmid-30s, like the fact that I'm

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building this team put ittogether.
You know, I've got people whoactually believe in me, are
investing financially, andmaking this possible to me is
like super humbling.
But it's also like, well, if Ican do it at 33 and we've got a
mortgage, we've got all thesethings going on, but I'm still
taking two months out of my lifeeven more because training is

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so hectic to do something that Iwant to do.
That, I think, is going to bean awesome adventure.
I wish more people would dothat.
So yeah, I've definitelytangented in there.

No, no that was good, and you actually touched
on something before.
That I do want to dig into isthe two months away from your
wife.

I love this whiteboard you've got going on.
I'm just scratching thequestions out.

Well, you know, I'm just making notes as to
what I think you know flow thisnarrative, but the strain that
this is obviously going to puton your marriage.
You know you're going to spendtwo months away from your wife
and Amy's clearly worried aboutyou, as we all are.
I mean, we, we trust you and weknow that you know your body
and all that stuff, but there'sso much that's out of your
control.
How do you, how do you dealwith that stress?

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And how do you deal with thefact that you know there must've
been some tough conversations,tough conversations between you
and your wife?
How do you, how do you dissuadethat doubt or that that uh
stress, that added stress thatit puts on your marriage?

it's interesting because we haven't had any
tough.
Liam asked me about this otherday.
He's like has amy like tried totalk you out of it at all?
And she hasn't once.
Like the initial, when I firstmentioned to liam, and liam
didn't flinch at it.
He's like, yeah, I'll do it.
I was like, okay, let's talk tothe girls.
And Amy's like thought I wasjoking.
And then maybe two weeks later,I was like I think I'm like I

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can't stop thinking about doingthis now, like let's do it.
And she was on board with it.
And when we were on a walk theother day, I'm like why haven't
you tried to talk?
What's the word?
Let's just say rude.
Because it's the first thingthat has come to my head.
When you've packed up your lifeto allow me to chase my dreams,

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why would I stop you doing whatyou want to do?
And Amy and I have built thatover the years because she's
literally been with me throughthe most insane transformation
of my life, like from when Ididn't know what I wanted to do.
You know, she helped, supportme when I didn't have money.
She helped me and stayed withme when I was overdrive, like so

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many things that I'm just likewow, like why would you do that?
So she believes in me and wantsme to, you know, fulfill what I
want to believe in.
I think we've had time apart,much like yourself and Kathleen,
when you guys were touring fornine months at a time and we
drop over for two weeks or threeweeks and then it's, you know,
another eight to twelve weeksapart.

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So we've done it before.
Obviously we're in a differentstage of our life and we haven't
done that for maybe five or sixyears.
We spend every day together.
So it's going to be I it'sprobably going to be harder than
I realize at the moment, but Ithink that she's supported me,
so I don't feel that pressure.
And I was saying to Liam theother day I was like this would

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be a fucking tough trip if I hadto be worried about Amy
messaging me every day, beinglike I can't believe you're so
selfish to do this andeverything like that.
She just won't do that, and sofor that, it makes everything so
much easier.
And the day that I finish she'splaying CMC Rocks the next day.
So that's going to be a coolcelebration.

Do you reckon you'll be in any state to be
able to go to that?

Yes, okay, and what I believe?
So my strategy.

We'll have to get a disability pass for you.

Just wheel me in .

You're in the front row and you just sit there
like.

Yeah, with a drip in my arm getting fed,
that'd be amazing.

Your legs will be cooked.

I honestly don't believe.
I think I'll be walking thenext day.
I think I'll be fine.
I am not going out here to liketry and rip a PB every single
day.
My goal is to complete it at atime that's very comfortable.
My training is a lot fasterthan what I'm going to be
running at.
So running that 547 kilometersto 615 kilometers to me I could

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do day in, day out.

It's something to look forward to, yeah.

I'm not worried about my body not being.
I wouldn't be doing it if Ibelieved that I wouldn't be able
to train or move for monthsafter it.
I wouldn't do that because thatwould destroy my mental health,
because it's such an importantpart of my life like waking up
and training.
So I'm very confident thiscould be famous last words, but
I'm very confident that I'll be,I'll be, I'll be.

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You know, I don't dance anyway,so I can just stand on the side
and tap my foot like this.
I'll be fine, yeah, if yourAchilles heel still works?

Yeah, true, achilles tendon.
So the logistics of this, Ithink we've we've all discussed
this.
You know, you know your body,you know that you can do these
runs.
Yeah, you're claiming to beable to tap your foot at the end
of it.
How, how are you?
It's a bold claim.
It's a bold claim, cotton.
How are you going to be tryingto mitigate as much of the risk

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in terms of the logistics aspossible?
Obviously you got liam there asyour, uh, tour manager.
Yes, that he's a great tourmanager.
Yeah, um, but do, but whatother support staff do you have?
Do you have food?
Like, how do you know what if aflight gets delayed?
What?
What do you?
What are your plans?

there.
So the simple solution to anyproblem going wrong, rather than
panicking, is if I have to redoa marathon in that location,
I'll redo a marathon as much asI don't want that to happen.
So to hopefully avoid thathappening, what we're even doing
with the route now is we'relooking to get on like state
lines, state borders, wherethere's four states, so we can

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minimize driving becauseobviously it's winter, so
there's definitely going to besnow, there's probably going to
be blizzards, so we can minimizethat and maybe only have to do
an hour drive and then, everysort of four days or five days,
do a sort of three to six-hourdrive.
That's going to be much betterfor us and minimize things going
wrong.

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From a food point, I've beenworking with my coach Even at
the moment.
Trying to learn to eat enoughis the biggest challenge for me,
because I don't like it.
I'm not one of those foodiepeople who just think about
their next meal.
How many calories a day do youhave to consume During the run?
We're looking at anywhere from5,000 to 6,000 calories a day.
That's a piece of piss.
I do that every day.

And you still look that good.
Just get six McFlurries andyou're good.
Yeah, well, that's what.

I will be doing.
I'll probably get to a pointwhere that happens, that happens
, but uh, yeah, no.
So I'm feeling pretty goodabout that.
I'll obviously have meal timingand the team.
So before one of the thingsthat I'm excited about is, once
we've got everything booked andeveryone's ready, we'll have a
team chat and I'll just be sortof sharing expectations, because
I can imagine I'll probably getmoody at some point and I don't

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want to be snappy or rudeanyone, because I do appreciate
everyone giving up two months oftheir life or however long
they're coming for to help.
So the idea will be like thisis how I feel you guys can help.
This is your job.
When you're here, let's just dothe best that we can in that
moment and obviously getfeedback from them around things
that I'm potentially missing.

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But the most important thingsis making sure that I'm food,
that I'm fed, I'm obviouslylooking after my supplementation
and I'm sleeping well.
If I can do those three things,everything else should take
care of itself.
Like to me.
This is the way I think about itis like your big moments when
you're doing a show.
You know, I know you say in theVIPs it's like 5% of the day

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the run for me is I'm not goingto give you a percentage, like a
small percentage of everythingthat I've been training for, um,
to do that.
So it's like my celebration, asmuch as it's going to suck.
It's like every day, likewaking up in a different place
and getting to see new thingsand then get back in the car at
the end and be proud of myselffor doing that.
That's like my celebration andI I've done the work in the lead

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up to be best prepared.
You know as prepared as I canto that point.
But yeah, flights will probablyscrew us up.
That's why we've got a van inamerica.
So the things the batteries maygo flat because of the
temperature, um, we're going tobe sleeping in car parks at
walmart like who knows what'sgoing to happen.
But that's what's going to makeit an adventure.
That's what you've taught me Agrand adventure.

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I feel we'll figure it out.
We'll figure it out.
We're not going to sit thereand think the world's ending
because at the end of the dayI'm running, it's not that bad.

Yeah, very good , very good.
Now, you're no stranger to achallenge.
You've done a few of these kindof things before, most notably
the world record, even though itwas not verified 42 rowing
marathons, was it?
No, it was 30 but 42K.
Sorry, 42ks, but 30 days in arow.

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Yeah, a month long on the ergo.
What is it about thisparticular challenge that like?
What have you learned aboutyourself on this particular
challenge?
Like, as opposed to that lastchallenge?

Your body adapts .
Still, one person said to meand I'm not going to name names,
but one person said to me thatI got a lot of respect for I'll
give you five days and I waslike interesting.
And so then it became aboutbeating that and proving people
wrong.
But it was around day 7 to 11,my knees like the back of my
knees just felt like you couldfeel them when that, when I was

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pushing out, it was just likethrowing.
Yeah, it was wild.
But then day 11, I was like Iremember saying to maddie, like
because I don't think I can dotoo many more Like my knees are
fucked.
And then day 11, no pain,nothing like it just disappeared
and I was just crushing it.
And then I just kept gettingfitter and fitter and fitter and

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faster and faster and fasteruntil day 30.
And it was really interesting.
So that was the biggest lesson,because a lot of people hit
that pain point and they mayhave multiple painful days in a
row and so they stop.

I love it.

So your body was trying to tell you to stop and
then, it gave up because it waslike oh my God, this guy's not
listening.

We better just shape up and catch up, because
he's not stopping here.
He's so stupid, we're justgoing to let him go.

Should we increase?

the pain threshold, sir, should we?

increase the pain threshold, sir, it's hard
to say, but there's somethingabout suffering that, something
about intentional suffering thatI enjoy because it's just me
versus me.
I know most people quit and tome, the reason why a lot of
people are unhappy and they'relacking confidence is because

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they've quit, like whether it'spursuing a career that they want
or they've given up on arelationship or they've given up
on themselves.
That's why a lot of people youknow, if we look at mental
health, which is, there's somany variables financially,
relationships, physical health,recovery, lifestyle in general
that impact your mental health.
So for me, if it's just meversus me, I know that if I'm

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struggling financially, I'vebeen in this pit before I can
get myself out of it.
If there's tension in therelationship, I've been in this
pit before once again I can getmyself out of it, and it just
puts complete responsibilityback on me to do whatever is
necessary to complete it.
So I love that.
As much as I hate it.
I still like.
I know that when I get throughit I'm just going to be sitting

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there with the biggest smile.
I love that feeling.

Yeah, defeating yourself.

Yeah, I can't wait, like even thinking about
that now.
I want to start tomorrow, butthen for the four hours when I'm
doing it I'll be like I hatethis.

What's the most amount of marathons you've done
in a row up to this point Three?

Three, yeah, so nothing.
So it's a big question.
I keep getting asked on socialmedia what's the training load
going to look like in the leadup to it?
And I asked Dean because if Ihadn't outsourced coaching, I
would have been like, yeah, I'lldo seven in seven days or
something.
Dean's your coach, dean's mycoach and he's a lot smarter
than I am.
So he said we're just going towork with your fitness and see

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how your body's going.
So the intent of the trainingblock is to just get as many
kilometers on legs, on your legs, so without injuring yourself,
because you need to be ready forit.
So there is no point doingseven marathons in seven days or
anything, because all you'redoing is starting the challenge
earlier.
And it's like, all of a sudden,it's not 58 marathon, it's 64.

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And your goal is to completethe 58, so we just need to have
you ready for that.
So, whatever my I'm wearing somany wearables he's so on top of
my training, my kilometers andmy speeds, and it's awesome.
It's awesome watching it as acoach myself, watching how
analytical he is over my bodyand my heart rate and all of the
sleep to make sure that I'mevery day in the best position

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possible to have a good trainingsession.
It's just like one trainingsession at a time.
Eating well, sleeping well getsme ready for the next training
session.

Because it's interesting, how, like, because
it's never been done before.
How do you train for as atrainer?
How do you train for?
How do you as a trainer, how doyou train somebody for
something that's never beenachieved?

I would hate to be in his position, because I
thought about it when I wasrunning a couple of days ago.
I'm like I wonder, if someoneapproached me to train them for
this, like what would I say tothem?
Or like how, how would Iperiodize that?

um and I like it yeah, no, you go I was gonna
say, like if somebody was likeall right, I'm going to swim
underwater without taking abreath from Australia to New
Zealand.
I need your help to train me.
He's like well, I don't knowYou're going to die.
But if it's Loggie Stewart,he's like no, I'm not going to
die, I know my body.

I know, yeah, no , uh, don't know.
So I I think you know I'mappreciative that he did because
I was looking for coaches andI've known dean for a number of
years.
He's done a lot of umtriathlons and all really quick
marathon runner and I was justlike he's the guy for the job

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because he talks a lot aboutnutrition.
He's, you know, very adamant onnot getting injured, whereas
some people would just be like,right, oh man, you're running a
marathon a week for the next 24weeks and I'd get injured and I
wouldn't be doing it.
So I like his.
His approach to training isvery similar to mine where it's
just like I think for the runsit's get the body condition but
the mind's going to be the thingthat gets you there, do you?

have a mantra like what's your, I don what's
your, in those moments where youwant to give up.

Maybe we can get one, to be fair, delta, if
you're listening.
So all in my primary school andup to probably 16 years of age,
whenever I was training for atrack, I'd always listen to Born
to Try by Delta Goodrum onrepeat, and that's probably
where I developed the habit oflistening to songs on repeat
that Amy very much dislikes.
So, delta, if you want to, I'msure she's subscribed yeah, I'm

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sure, definitely her demographicBorn to try, but that's a,
that's a, that's a tune.
Or maybe you could write mesome a mantra song.
Yeah, what would?
If you were doing it, whatwould your mantra be?
Keep going, just keep going,just keep running.
One more step, what's it?
The?

fish off um nemo.
Just get a dream.
Yeah, just keep swimming, justkeep swimming.

Just keep running, one step at a time, all
right, a bit of a fun questionhere um change a bit of a change
of tone.
Is this from a caller?
Did someone?

this is.
This is from uh justin, 13years old, running through 58
different states, both both inthe US and Australia.
It's going to give you somepretty unique perspectives on
the landscape and the cultures.
What are you most lookingforward to experiencing during
this journey?
Which part of each country areyou most excited to run through?

Oh, for some reason, like Montana or that
area where we were on your tour,like getting to explore those
mountains when we were touringwith um shepherd, and it was
from salt lake to where did weend up?
At salt lake after, somewherefrom between salt lake and
wherever we ended up next, yeah,maybe seattle.
Uh, there was this town and wearrived at 2 am or something.

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It was pitch black and it feltlike there was a ranch was
standing and I was like I'mgoing to be up at 5 am if this
is a ranch, like I'm going topeep out the window in the
morning.
And if it's a ranch and it was,and we're surrounded by these
incredible mountains and thisbeautiful farm, and I got up and
made a coffee off three hoursand I just loved it like that.
To me, like that, that's likemy dream landscape.

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So being in in Montana or any ofthose areas, and getting to run
with the mountains around andobviously using your drone,
which you're going to lend us,aren't you so doing?
You know, having those, justgetting to see that on foot,
like it's like you exploring.
Or when we went exploring NewYork on bike, like I feel like
when you're on foot or on ascooter or something like you

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see the areas in a completelydifferent way to a car.
So definitely those areas, Ithink New York at night is going
to be pretty.
In the snow is going to bepretty amazing as well like in
winter, be very different.
But even then, just coming backto Australia, I've never really
run around Adelaide or Tasmania,done a lot of running around
Brisbane, but just being in thehome state and hopefully having

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a heap of people around with us,that would be pretty incredible
.
I think Australia is just asunique and that's why I'm so
excited to run around it,because I've never explored it
that way.
We're always flying or we'realways in a car.
So, yeah, I just think I'm veryexcited.
I was inspired by you with yourvlogging every day and like I
never understood how great it'sactually been until you can just

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click on an episode and be likeholy crap, that's what we did
that day.
I completely forgot, yeah, sobeing able to look back,
George's Journal on YouTube.

Check it out.
A little plug there.
Thank you, Lucky.

No, you're welcome Dollar.
So, no, you're welcome dollar.
So being able to have 58 daysof our trip or our adventure
vlogged to look back on and beable to tell stories because no
one once again no one's done,you know, people have done the
50 states of America, but noone's done the time zone, or
like that adventure, Like how dowe go from bloody San Francisco

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running a marathon straightonto a flight, to running one
straightaway in Hawaii to thensleeping for no, get on another
flight straight to Sydney,arrive at night and run another
one Like that's going to bepretty challenging, I would
imagine.
Crossing that date line, oh,it's going to be horrible.
So, yeah, I think I'm just soexcited for all of it.

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There's going to be some placesthat we venture into that won't
be as exciting, but at the same, the majority of it's going to
be flat arid farmland.

Yeah, once you pass, like texas on the on the
map of the, yeah, usa or thewhole east coast is just flat.
Yeah, there's like a reallyawesome uh, mountain range, the
rockies, you know it runsthrough all the way down through
to you know, arizona, wherethere's these like absolutely
astounding rock monuments.
And then you get to like newmexico and then you just hit

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flat, yeah, farmland, true, andI think that'll be the, that'll
be the real mental hit.

Fuck and that's straight away, but we are
starting in alaska, so that isgoing to be cool.
Good start, start.
Probably never would go.
I can't see myself ever goingthere, just because.

So that'll be cool, yeah, yeah.
Question from Amy Is your lifeinsurance up to date?
Is that really for me?

When do you get a young pair?

How do you handle injuries or the risk of
burnout when running so manymarathons consecutively?
But I feel like you've sort ofdealt with that yeah.

I've dealt with it you know, plan a place if
something goes wrong.
No, my life insurance is not upto date, darling.

And the question for me is is your life
insurance up to date?

No, Sort that one out.

That's on the exclamation mark.
Better sort that quick naughty.
Were there any moments in yourlife previously not counting the
rowing challenge that you didwhere you faced a relatively
similar challenge, and how didthat experience prepare you for
this monumental task?

oh, and it doesn't have to have been like
yeah, like like a number of dayevent, it could be just like one
moment.

It could be one moment that, in perspective,
felt as challenging as this will.
I've got two.

Can I use two?
You can use two.
So the first one when I was 11years old and I won the cross
country when I was 10, which isnot a big deal, but as a kid
it's a big deal because I mademy first rep 10.
And I was obviously when I sayobviously, just the people who
knew me were probably sharinghow I should probably win again

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and I was winning and I rememberwe were coming up this was in
Milmeran and I started having anasthma attack and I was like I
can't lose this, like I gottakeep keep trying to go.
And I was like I can't losethis, like I gotta keep keep
trying to go, and I was likelike slowly not being able to
breathe and in my head I'm likeI can't quit, can't quit.
And then it got to the pointwhere I was like I think I'm
gonna fucking die here, so Iquit and that stood with me.

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I remember like falling overthe fence and medics came and I
was crying and I'm 11 years old,I'm watching these people like
I was winning by a fair way,finally catch up and start
running past and I was justshattered.
I was like I'm never going toallow myself to quit something
again and I'm also going to justmake sure I'm on top of that.
So, mum, you know I used tohave this thing called a

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nebuliser, which was a machineto help me breathe and open up
my lungs.
I always tried to skip itbecause I was like I don't need
that.
And tried to skip it because Iwas like I don't need that.
And after that I started takingnerd device yeah, it's a bloody
nerd device keeps you alive.
But I started taking like myhealth a lot more seriously
after that point because I waslike I.
The only reason why I lost that, in my opinion, was because I
didn't prepare well, and that'swhy preparation is so important

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to me with everything that I do.
The second thing, um, whichprobably leads to so, first year
out of school, we were playingin the Malmeninga Cup, which is
like the feeder to the NRL, likethe Toyota Cup at the time, and
I was having the mostincredible campaign to date.
There was talks of me going toall these clubs and everything

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like that.
I was shaped up so I wasplaying center at the time
against Lockie Maranta.
So Lockie, if you're everlistening to this, you probably
remember this and lucky Marantawent on to play 12 years of NRL
and he scooted past me, steppedme and made me look like a fool.
But as soon as I turned tosprint after him, it was like I
got sniped in the back of theleg and my hammy just went.

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I dropped like a bag ofpotatoes and I I remember just
being like the same sort offeeling and watching what would
happen.
And I still got the divot in theback of my hammy now and I was
like I have to get back up andplay because there's scouts here
, like this is my shot.
And so the medics are comingover and same thing.

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They're like what's going on.
I'm like hamm.
And same thing.
They're like what's going on,I'm like Hammy for sure.
They're like we're getting youoff.
I was like I'm not getting off,like I've got to stay on, like
I'll figure it out, and you knowI'm limping around.
I was as useless as tits on aball because I could not run.
And same thing.
Maybe three to five minuteslater I put my hand up and go

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off and that was, I think, gamethree or four of a eight or nine
game season, or like trainingperiod, and I knew that when I
walked off I was not gettingback on again and that was like
that.
That whole nrl thing was doneand I was like why?
And same thing, it's just like.
At that time I had a big tantrumand got on the drugs and the
drinking.

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But it still sits in my headnow that if I can just prepare
well, I'm just as good as a lotof athletes out there, because I
, you know, analyze things verywell and physically like I feel
like I'm very talented in incertain certain um sports and I
just don't want to lose.

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So now the only reason why Idon't achieve my goals is if I
haven't prepared and stuff.
So, um, that's that.
And I've had like two momentsin my life that I would consider
significant where I've had topull out because of injury which
I could have prevented, uh, andan asthma attack which I
probably also could haveprevented.

So it sounds like physical limitations have
have kept your mental.
Yeah, you've been therementally.
Yeah, you've been sodisappointed that your physical
limitations have prevented youfrom achieving, yeah, what you
know you could achieve.
Yeah, so now you're taking allthe steps necessary to make sure
that the physical limitationsdon't hold you back correct, and
your body's going to be readyfor it and you're going to have

(36:43):
your nebulizer I'm probably notgoing to have a nebulizer, I'll
just have an asthma puffer.

Still a nerd yeah, still a nerd carrying a
machine around now.

I haven't had an asthma attack flight a while
well now, you talked about, youknow, wanting to inspire others.
What, what is it?
What specifically do you hopepeople take away from this?
What do you want other peopleto watch and and and feel from
you doing this?
Uh, is there a particularmessage or call is that you're
running for?
I know that you've.
You're a big advocate of mentalhealth.

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Yeah, do you want to talk a bitabout that?

for me, the mental health is everyone has it
like 40 something percentexperience negative mental
health, but I think it's aday-by-day thing.
But for me, you know, havinghad friends take their life by
suicide, watch people in myfamily deal with it, personally
dealt with it and just seeingthe impact, the ripple effect
that it can have.
So not only does it impact theindividual but like how it

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impacts other people is I'd lovethat the people that I can
impact directly.
I used to have this idea that Icould completely change the
world, probably similar to youguys, being the first band to
play on the moon.
And over the years I'verealised, you know, having
worked in a space for a longwhile, spoken to so many people,
spoken to other people doingwork in that space, it's not

(37:58):
possible, like I don't believeit's possible, to change the
world from mental health, but Ibelieve I can change the direct
people that I impact.
That I gravitated to, how Ipresent myself from that manner
and that's what I want to do,like I want to prove to them
that, oh, I want one.
First, I want to be genuine inthe fact that I my life's
perfect.

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I still struggle with stuff,but these are the things that
are working well for me and Ibelieve they could help a lot of
people because I've seen it andI always use Scotty Townsend,
who you know as well, as a greatexample of that when we did the
30 rowing marathons.
He would have been 48 at thetime, but he just showed up
every day.
He didn't make a big song anddance about it like I did, but

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he, he rocked up every day andand set a goal of how many
kilometers he was going to roadand that slowly started
increasing.
And this was a guy who, youknow, very quiet, very reserved,
you know, maybe lack someconfidence in his fitness
ability and his physique, butover 30 days ended up on two
full marathons and I think itwas four or five half marathons,

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having not really rode before,and I just watched like if he
pushed himself just because hecommitted to himself.
But he was inspired by me doingit.
It's transformed his life.
It's it's also brought him indepth like the man that cam
projects community.
He's got a heap of good mateslike he's still chipping away
and changing his life and for mehe if people can see that and

(39:21):
they go I just want to go run 5Kwith Lockie, I want to grab my
mate.
And then something that I say,or the run that they go on and
the person that they meet fromthese events gives them the
opportunity to change their life.
That's the job done, becausefor me, I would not be in this
position had I not met Amy andobviously you guys.
But I watched Amy.
When I first met her, firstlyit was like a fresh start.

(39:43):
She didn't really know my past.
She did not know really anyonethat I grew up with, so I didn't
have that baggage that I had toexplain or run through.
So it was a fresh start.
And then I was watching someonewho was pursuing her dreams and
had a great support networkaround her.
So inadvertently, I was learningthese things that you could

(40:04):
chase your dreams, theimportance of having good people
around you.
You're going to cop shit, likethat's part of it.
So it wasn't foreign to me whenI started copying copying shit
and you just don't quit andit'll figure.
You know you're always sort ofweaving to make things work and
that's what I've then gone on todo and I hope to you know, I
hope, I hope to other people.

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I'm like they're aiming not inthe fact that they want to marry
me.
But you know, I'm sure, yeah,but it's like, okay, well,
lockheed's given us really aninside scoop on what it takes
and, um, he's, you know, talkedabout these things, presented
opportunities, pushed himself.
I've failed plenty of times,then that's normal.
I'm going to just take thenormal path for me yeah, that's

(40:50):
great and I do.

I love that moment when you, when you hit,
whatever age it is, when youjust stop giving a shit about
what people think yeah, andyou're like this I'm gonna I'm
not gonna keep changing mypersonality to fit into somebody
else's idea of who I'm supposedto be.
But, uh, you know, like me withthe pink hair and like, yeah,
crossing my legs right now, likethere'd be somebody out there

(41:12):
thinking you know, oh, what apansy or whatever.
But like that's, I didn't eventhink about that, that's no,
yeah, maybe not crossing my legs, but I know that there was a
lot of people.
When I dyed my hair pink, youknow, my grandma was like why
would you do such a thing?
Yeah, and there were people outthere who were just like George
, why?
You know, that's just soatrocious, yeah.

(41:32):
But you know, their perceptionof me is not my perception of me
and that's the same with you.
Like you, whatever people thinkabout you and the shit that
they throw at you and the doubtsand whatever they try and put
onto you, that doesn't apply inyour brain to what you think of
yourself Exactly.
And when you finally realizethat it's so powerful, it's

(41:53):
freeing.

It's freeing Like, yeah, the fact that you're
bold enough to walk around withpink.
I love it.
Like I've learned so much fromyou, even over the years.
I still remember maybe it wassix years ago or something when
you're first just like man,you're just too rigid, like
let's just have a day where youjust do random shit, and that
was hard for me to do, but Ifeel like I've definitely got

(42:16):
much better at it and yourealize that the world's not
going to collapse when you startdoing that and no one really
gives a shit about you as muchas you think they do, and that's
when you can start having funwith it.
Because, at the end of the day,a book that's still and I always
talk about it is the top fiveregrets of the dying by Bronnie
Waugh, who's an Australianpalliative care nurse or was.
She's now an author, obviously,and she wrote a book, having

(42:38):
worked with a lot of people ontheir deathbed and she started
obviously getting research doneand writing things down around
the five common regrets.
And you're thinking about thesepeople.
Some of them have great lives,90s, good innings, and then
there's some people who are 18and they've been diagnosed with
cancer, but they're all talkingabout the same things and I

(43:01):
thought to myself it's stupid ofme to think that I'm any
different to those people, asmuch that I'm any different to
those people as much as I'm atestosterone-fueled young dude
trying to make it in the world.
I should probably listen tothese people who are on or in a
place where I'm going to be atsome point, and so why would I
not try and do the things that Igenuinely want to do now?
Like it just doesn't make senseto me.
In a lot of the work that I doand a lot of the people that I

(43:22):
work with, they want to do now.
It just doesn't make sense to me, and a lot of the work that I
do and a lot of the people thatI work with, they want to do
that, but it's so hard to do,and especially as we get older,
we have more responsibilities,so we have mortgages, we have
families and all of those sortsof things, which I completely
understand.
You have to think about moredecisions there, but if you're

(43:44):
in a position like we areultimately or heading to, it's
just like now is the perfecttime to do the things that you
want to do.
Like I still can't believe thatI'm running 58.
I I'm so excited but I can'tbelieve I've actually done it
like I can't believe it'sactually happening.
The fact that it was an ideathat I said to Liam off the back

(44:05):
of a call to then go talk toAmy, and then I called Maddy
Lancashire and he's like I'm inand that was all I needed to go
okay, it's officially, it'shappening, it's a legitimate
idea.
And then we've started buildingthis crew and, like you know,
putting all the logistical stuff, and now it's it's not if it's

(44:26):
when, yeah, and that, to me, iswhat's really exciting, because
if I can just take two monthsout of my career and away from
my family which soundsridiculous to just go fucking
run, anyone can do whatever theywant we get like it sounds so
dumb to sound too, taking twomonths out of my life to go run,
but that's what I've, that'swhat, for me, is enjoyable
that's the brilliance of an ideaand that's what I I love seeing

(44:47):
time and time again.

And it starts as this little seed that you,
you have, that doesn't feel likeanything, but you plant it and
then from there it just startsto grow into some beautiful you
know redwood tree thateventually, you know it takes
time and it it, it's going tohave its setbacks, but
eventually you know you're goingto be standing at this redwood
tree that eventually, you knowit takes time and it, it, it's
going to have its setbacks, buteventually you know you're going
to be standing at this redwoodtree that is of your own

(45:10):
planting and, you know, lookingback, going, oh my god, I can't
believe.
And it starts.
That's how albums begin, youknow, with shepherd it's like
one small idea of a theme orsomething that you then plant,
yeah, and water, and you knowgrow.
And I liken it to potterysometimes, where it's like you
start with just a blob ofnothing and then you start to

(45:30):
develop it and shape it and putthe details in and cut bits away
and you know, as it grows, itstarts to take shape.
You know that's the magic of it.
But it always starts with thistiny little thing that feels so
insignificant at the time and somany people get to that point
go oh, it's nothing, it's just asilly little thing.
But it grows and it builds, andthat's that's the beauty of

(45:53):
time.
Passing with an idea is that itwill always grow into something.
Sometimes you know that thetree dies, and that's okay, you
can plant another one yeah.

What can I ask you then?
What has helped you through?
If there was to be one thingthat's helped you overcome the
fear of not living aconventional life, meaning
you've just chosen to chase thedream in an industry that just
seems so freaking, competitiveand challenging and I don't know

(46:23):
how many musicians make afull-time career out of it there
must have been a point or maybethere hasn't been, but has
there been a point?
Firstly, where you've like Ishould probably go do something
stable and secondly, when you'vehad the fear to actually
continue pursuing your dreams,because you do have a door.
You know you have so manyresponsibilities, like we do but

(46:49):
what's helped you overcome thatfear?

to just keep cracking the whip at it firstly,
uh, I'm asking the questionshere and this is my interview.
No, I uh.
Yeah, it's a great question andthere's not a day that goes by
where I don't feel like I'vecompletely fucked up my life by
doing this.
You know, there's, there's many,many times this even on your
birthday you know, even on mybirthday, because you ordered
the biggest breakfast possible.
Certainly messed up there.

(47:11):
No, there's been plenty ofmoments, this year in particular
, where we've hit rock bottomand you know we've run out of
money and you know my wife iscrying in bed because she misses
her job and misses home and I'mthe one that's dragged her over
there.
There's been some pretty darkmoments where we've been like
we've screwed up, we gaveeverything away and it hasn't

(47:35):
worked out.
But then you get on stage andyou get in front of a crowd and
this is one part that you guys,as the support team, you
probably don't get, which isunfortunate.
But standing up on that stageand feeling that what you're
doing is actually making adifference to people's lives,
and hearing the stories abouthow, you know one of our songs

(47:56):
the Best Is Yet To Come hassaved someone's life or got them
through a divorce or gottenthrough cancer, and you hear
these stories and it becomesmore than just you chasing a
dream.
It becomes something, somethingfar greater and bigger than
yourself.
I love the way you eat thatbanana.
You're welcome, gotta keep mycalories up but you know, and

(48:18):
it's those very fleeting momentsthat you get a glimpse into
success, and to me that's whatsuccess is, and it's the same as
you you've got banana on yourmicrophone.
I love it.
It's those moments of it's,those moments of fleeting, like
you get a peek into what you'redoing is actually helping people

(48:40):
and changing lives, and I thinkthat's that's what keeps you
going.
You know there's there'snothing else that I'd rather be
doing and I've done.
I've done the jobs like I'veworked in retail, I've worked at
a cafe.
It was very short-lived in bothsituations, because I just
couldn't live a life where Iwasn't in control, or I was
being told what to do or Ididn't have that freedom to be

(49:00):
able to just make my owndecisions at any given point of
the day.
And you know there's timeswhere I don't have that in the
band.
You know like we're on a tightschedule and I'd love to stop at
this national park and just gowandering around for a little
bit.

Yeah, but you know the drone stops.
We gave George two drone stopson this trip because he's just
constantly like Liam and I wentahead the day before and we
literally arrived four hoursbefore these guys because they
kept freaking stopping, and sothe next day we're like George,
you get two drone stops.
You better make them worth it.

But hey look, now we've got the footage and
nobody regrets it.

No, but we were also on time so it was a win-win
.

But I've also learned to appreciate that those
deadlines are going towardsbuilding something for us and
ourself, you know, rather thanbeing at a corporate job where
I'm giving up my time and I'msacrificing so much for somebody
else's business or somebodyelse's dream.
This is on my terms.
It's me choosing to do thisbecause it's building something

(50:02):
for all of us rather than, yeah,someone else, and I think
that's what's kept me going.

I think it's interesting as well because we
would be very different, almostpolar opposites in how we go
about doing that, and that'swhat for people listening is
we're both building what webelieve to be the best life
possible for ourselves, eventhough we're obviously family as
well, but how we're going aboutdoing it and I've come from

(50:28):
like a real rigid andtime-focused and managed
Goal-setting- yeah like I'm likethat end of the spectrum where
yours is the complete oppositebut it's both worked out.
Like obviously it's not always,as you mentioned, a great day,
but we're still making progress.
So I think, for people whomaybe don't relate to the goal

(50:49):
setting or the extremely managedtime approach, like it's still
possible and vice versa.

Um, you know, that's what I think is really
cool well, we're reaching theend of the interview here,
ladies and gentlemen, but I'dlike to, uh, I'd like there's
two more questions that I'd liketo ask.
Uh, the first one is when youcross the finish line on that
58th marathon, that very, veryincredible moment, when you just
hit that finish mark with allthe people around you that have

(51:17):
been running, because you'refinishing in brisbane and it's
going to be your hometown andall your friends, and it's the
last run, and everyone's goingto be excited, yeah, what do you
think is going to be goingthrough your head?
Is it relief, pride, exhaustion, love what is it?

whatever I say now, it's probably going to be
the complete opposite.
I think it'll be.
Definitely I would imagine Iwould feel overwhelmed.
But I'm also very excited tosee who's there and who's had
their own breakthroughs.
Like that's what I'm, you know.
I really hope, and whether mumor dad listen to it, I really
hope mum or dad do like a 5K Tome that would be just killer.

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Or Linda, like people that Iknow and care about a lot, I
would love to see them moving atthe end of it.
That's, you know, even hudson,like I love the idea of having
hudson run.
So if I see, if I see peoplethat I know that have done
something that they normallywouldn't do, fuck, that's going
to make me feel awesome, andobviously people that I don't
know.
So hearing that.
But I definitely feel likeit'll be a great moment to just

(52:19):
be able to know that the nextday I don't have to get up and
do it all over again you get togo to.

CMC Rocks yeah, you get to go and rock out.
Watch Amy absolutely blow theroof off.

It's going to be .
No, I don't think I'll be ableto Similar to like if someone
were to ask you what it was likeplaying the AFL Grand Final.

whatever, you can throw a few words out there
but I don't think you can evertruly put those moments into
words, because the experience ofthe entire thing is, you know
you can never predict what it'sgoing to be, and so at the end
of it, you don't know who you'regoing to be.
You're going to be a completelydifferent person.
You don't know what, what, uh,what that moment will hold for
you exactly.
I mean, can I just say hudson'sgoing to be so proud of you.

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I can't wait to see.
He's such a cool kid and then,like having you as his uncle is
like he's going to grow up to bethe most driven and like
inspired young man.
I can't wait to see his journeyfrom watching you do this and
how much it's going to changehis life.
And I mean, you know you'vebeen like such an important

(53:25):
fatherly figure in his life andobviously he's got Cam and your
mum and all that.
But I think he looks up to youso much and I'm really excited
to see what his reaction is toyou doing this.
I think it'll be very cool.

Yeah, those are kind words, but yeah, I'm pumped
to see that's going to beamazing.
All right, that's going to beamazing all right.

My final question if you could give
advice to someone who wants totake on a seemingly, seemingly
impossible challenge like this,what would it be?

just truly take responsibility for it.
I think it's everything that Italk about is personal
responsibility.
So if you're committing to it,then you have to find out how to
make it work.
Because when I started and it'swhy I'm documenting so much of
it around, like how the hell I'mgetting sponsors learning about
sponsor decks, the route, theplanning we're documenting all
of it because for so many yearsthere's been many things that
I've wanted to do and I haven'tknown what that next step is and

(54:17):
so I haven't done it.
I remember no word of a lie andI was speaking to Troy about
this, who was my boss when Ifirst was in Toowoomba.
I wanted to run from Brisbaneto Toowoomba.
It doesn't seem like it's 178K,it's usually the other way
around.
Yeah, sorry, toowoomba toBrisbane.
And I was looking at doing itand I had to go through each
council.
Like this is how complicated Imade it because I didn't ask

(54:40):
people, no one was really doingit.
So, like you need to getapproval to run along the road
through each council and itended up being like a lot of
council, so I just quit.
I was like no, and I wasthinking about that only a
couple of weeks ago.
I'm like now.
I would just call the councilsand sort it out and make that
happen.
Just like now, I'm askingpeople in my network to help me.
Or you know, youtube's abeautiful tool.

(55:01):
Like everything is availablefor you to learn and put it
together.
And I'm once again.
There's going to be so manythings that we couldn't have
predicted.
We needed to have sorted whenwe start, but being able to
trust that myself or Liam willbe able to navigate that when it
rocks up.
So I think when you takepersonal responsibility for
everything, it's you're choosingthe results that you want and

(55:24):
the outcomes that you want byhow you respond to that.
Very good, put those glassesback on.

Well, ladies and gentlemen, that's about all
we have time for today.
Thank you for tuning in to oneof the most special and
exclusive man that Can podcastsaround.
What episode is this Number?
This Shit?
6-19.
6-19.
Absolutely Well.
Well, that's a marathon.
That's a marathon in itself,lachlan, thank you so much for

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your time today and, uh, we hopeall the viewers at home
garnered something uh from thisand I know I certainly did and
we all wish you the best in thisabsolutely insane endeavor
thank you so much, that was fun,thank you over to you in the
studio.

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