December 29, 2024 • 26 mins
This week I share an episode with my wife Amy and we talk about our infertility journey for the first time. With raw honesty, humor, and heartfelt moments, they open up about:
💔 Why we decided to take control of our story and share it publicly.
😂 Lachie’s awkward adventures at the fertility clinic.
💕 The emotional and mental challenges of unexplained infertility.
🤝 Finding support and breaking the silence on this important topic.
This is an episode about love, resilience, and navigating challenges together. Join us for a deeply personal conversation that’s as relatable as it is heartfelt.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Guys, today, on the man that Can Project, we've got
a special episode.
So it's an episode that I didwith my wife, amy, and we put it
on our other podcast, coupleGoals, where we're talking about
our journey with IVF.
So I wanted to share it becauseI think it's a conversation
that a lot of people don't talkabout but a lot of people
experience.
So if you take away anything orif you have any questions, make
(00:21):
sure you drop them in thecomments or flick me a message
on social media and rememberhappy or merry christmas and
happy new year.
Look forward to being 23 daysaway from kicking off the 58
marathons in 58 days across all50 states of america and all
eight states and territories ofaustralia.
So it's going to be a fun one,but I'm currently in mexico as
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we're recording this one or I'mediting it, but I'm sure you'll
get a lot of value out of it andI look forward to hearing
everyone's stories orexperiences with infertility.
As always, do something todayto be better for tomorrow.
You did something this morningI was at coffee with the boys.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Who did you have coffee with?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I had coffee with James, Liam and Jazza.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And my phone started blowing up.
I had no idea what was going onand you posted something on
social media.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I did.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
And I think it's probably a good place to start.
It's probably a good place forthis whole episode.
So we're not going to do ourget to know us because this one
is really getting to know us.
I think what Amy posted it'scool because now we can sort of
don't have to be careful what wetalk about.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I feel like the last couple of weeks or the last bit,
as we've been going throughwhat Amy's going to talk about
we've had to like sort ofsidestep or tread carefully
around this conversation, butamy's done it yeah, I think
we've been wanting to share thenews that we are have been
diagnosed with unexplainedinfertility.
(01:53):
Love that for us, um, and Ididn't realize we were diagnosed
yeah, it's a diagnosis, it's areal, I think it's a disease?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
No, I'm not buying that.
Some people call it a disease.
No, I'm not buying that.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
What do you think it?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
is it's not a disease or it's not a label.
It's like you just got to geton with it.
Yeah, I mean, I hate it whenthey say you are diagnosed.
I'm like right?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, the reason they diagnose you is so you can get
Medicare benefits, because ifyou don't have the diagnosis,
you don't get the benefits.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So if you don't get, the label you don't get the now.
That can be good in this case,but in some instances it's
probably not good.
But we're not going to go downthat rabbit hole.
Let's talk about this.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, so I don't know .
We've been dealing with it foryears, I guess.
All in all, probably two yearsWe've been trying for a Stuart
Little.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I've never heard you say that, Stuart Little.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
But it hasn't been easy for us, it's been fun.
For the most part, I don't knowI enjoy it, I don't think it's
been fun.
Lockie, it was fun for a while.
I'm like, oh, this is excitingand new and we're going to have
a baby soon.
And month after month goes onand no baby.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
It's crazy to me that you spend so much time in your
younger years doing whatever youcan from a contraceptive
standpoint so you don't getpregnant, meaning condoms, the
pill, the pull-out method.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Everyone knows what contraception method is.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I know, but I just wanted to take them down, my
idea of it, anyway.
And then you just go for it andyou've just realized that it's
not as easy as first thought,for us anyway.
So I'm like I've wasted a lotof money on condoms,
contraception.
We're trying to make lightheart of a frustrating situation
(03:47):
.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, and I guess we didn't sayanything earlier or make it
public, because it is a reallypersonal issue, obviously and
also you hope to have thatsurprise moment for everyone,
for yourself, that surprisemoment that you always dreamed
of, being like, oh, we'repregnant, but that's something
that we're never going to have,which is I mean it will be a
(04:08):
surprise.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Don't say never yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
When we, but not the traditional way that you always
hope for.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Potentially, I still don't give up hope.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
For what A surprise.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Just for a fucking surprise.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
That's right, that's true.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
It could happen any day really, Because we both know
some of your friends have beentold they would never get
pregnant and then they ended uppregnant.
So for me I'm like, okay,there's still things.
I've heard so much aroundstress and so many things yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I guess in my head I never wanted to even tell people
we were trying, I just wantedit to be not a thing.
So I think I was sort ofprobably in a denial for a
really long time, like, oh,it'll happen, it takes longer
for some people.
Rah rah Sort of spoke to mydoctor about it and they're like
okay, well, you know, give itanother six months, and if not,
we'll circle back.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And so yeah, six months later, after already a
year of trying I think that'swhen we got the diagnosis, and
then since then it's beenanother but maybe we should talk
about what that whole processhas been like, because I think
it's like, once again, it's shit, and I think it's always worse
for the women, like mendefinitely don't talk about it
(05:17):
either, and it's not always likemen.
Everyone needs to get tested,because quite often I think the
blame potentially falls on thewomen.
I would say but we've both doneheaps of tests.
We did genetic testingoriginally, like to make sure
anyway.
I think everyone should yeah,everyone should do genetic
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testing.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
We did that before we even knew that yeah, we were
having any issues and it turnsout I'm a carrier for cystic
fibrosis.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, and the reason why you do that is if you both
have sort of matching genes thatare for various things, like
they obviously recommend, orgive you the option for IVS,
yeah, so luckily Lockie had toget genetic tested as well and
he wasn't a carrier for cysticfibrosis.
I just said I was a freak.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
That means that's good.
That means we can't pass it on.
We can pass on the recessivegene, but we can't pass on
cystic fibrosis.
So, anyway, I think I reallystrongly recommend everybody
goes before trying.
If they can Go and get tested,genetically tested it's
something you'll never regretdoing.
But anyway, from then we werelike okay, let's start trying.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's like Christmas comes early, you know what I
mean.
Like for a bloke.
You're just like sweet, I cansaddle up every day or whatever
it is, but then it startsgetting more.
I feel like over time you getmore pressure on it and the
pressure sort of takes the funout of it and you feel like
every month when you're doingyour, you check and it's like a
(06:51):
no.
You're like fuck and then likefor me, as a bloke I'm so when
we did our testing, so, as I'llexplain how it goes for blokes,
because people don't talk aboutit, I think it's a funny story.
Okay, I don't really care, soI'm going to talk about it.
I think it's a funny story.
Okay, I don't really care, soI'm going to talk about it.
So when you're going to go gettested the women obviously have
well, you can share your story,I'll share mine.
Get their test.
(07:11):
But then, as a bloke, you gotto go have this weird, really
weird experience and I wentaround the corner.
So I'm going to tell this fullstory I've rolled in.
When you book in, you'veobviously got to produce a
sample like come in a cup,essentially, and so Produce a
sample.
Yeah, produce a sample.
(07:32):
I'm like okay.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Come in a cup, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah.
So I've gone around and likewhen you book in, they're like
do you want to produce at home?
If you live within x amount,you can do that because you need
to get it to us within an hour,or if you don't, you got to
produce in-house.
And I was like that's an easyone, I'm around the corner, I'm
going to produce at home.
I'm going to lay on the comfortof my own bed and do the thing
(07:55):
how nice how?
yeah, exactly like awesome.
But I've walked in there nextminute old love's talking about
how her son went to school withamy and yada, yada, yada and I
was like, well, this is weirdhow did she know?
checks the record, because youobviously have to say who your
partner is, because they butanyway.
So then she's also like okay,here's your cup, just go in the
room.
(08:15):
I was like I thought I wastaking that cup and I was going
back home.
She's like no, no, no, no,we've got you for in-house.
So I'm rolling in and I'm likesweating balls because there's
all these people and they knowexactly what you're there to do.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They see it multiple times, I know.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
but it's not every day that I just go rip it in a
private room.
It's so embarrassing so it'svery, and so the whole time that
experience is happening I'mjust thinking they know what I'm
in here doing.
I can't even think about doingthe thing.
I'm thinking about trying toburp a worm and fucking get out
there and get it done, and thenI'm going to walk back out with
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a cup and be like here you goand then you're like is it
enough?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You had to do it multiple times because we had
multiple tests plus the IVF.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I've got some stories for you guys, if you want to
hear more of my stories, of mytesting.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I think that's quite enough.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Comment below because I've got some stories.
You're a veteran at coming inthe cup.
I'm a veteran and I do lovewhen I go for a run with the
boys or whatever.
I give them the come in the cupstories and they've got their
own stories for their ownreasons.
So I can definitely pass someof those on.
But enough about me, let's goback to Amy.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I think it's funny.
I just want to talk about beingrecognized through this process
, because it's been one of mybiggest fears.
It's so embarrassing.
Infertility is embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Why do you find it embarrassing?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, not just that, but even just going to chemists
for something personal andgetting recognised is just the
worst.
I'm not at a level like ArianaGrande or Taylor Swift where a
doctor comes to you and you canjust like have that luxury of
privacy.
But, yeah, being in the publiceye can be very hard.
For that reason, yeah, and wewere recognised multiple times
(10:04):
throughout this experience,which is part of the reason why
I'm sharing it, becauseeventually I feel like it's
going to come out.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean that's been quitehard, especially in times where,
like, I hadn't yet told myfamily or friends yet and I just
was like so worried aboutsomebody telling somebody who
(10:25):
told my mum, or something likethat, because it was just, yeah,
I mean, and it's embarrassing,you don't want everyone to know
your business, or you knowsomebody else sees you in the
clinic like a fan, notnecessarily a doctor or a nurse
or whatever, but a fan.
You know someone else goingthrough the same experience.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So, yeah, that's been fun, it is bad and for anyone
listening, like for any doctorsthat listen, don't ever blurt it
.
I reckon it happened like twoor three times where people are
like, oh my God, amy Shepard,and then they're talking about
how they've told the othernurses that you're in and you're
like, hold up, isn't the wholepoint of coming here, like
(11:04):
confidentiality and everythinglike that, but then you're
chin-wagging about it.
So then we're like, fuck, whoelse knows?
And so then, yeah, that'sprobably why what led us to
wanting to do this publicly,because I feel like eventually
it's going to get out, becausepeople are, and nothing against
(11:25):
the doctors or nurses, they'rejust excited.
It's not malicious.
No.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
But I just feel like it just takes one person to tell
another person Next minute thecareer males are like hey.
Yeah, so that wasn't a reallyfun experience, but I think it's
important that we've takencontrol of our story now and we
can share.
(11:49):
I think we just wanted to shareit on our own terms.
You know it's hard to sharewhen you're not ready.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Well, yeah, over the last couple of months I feel
like we've wanted to talk aboutit, but it's probably getting
more to a point of acceptance.
Watching you over, especiallyover the last two weeks you've
maybe three weeks since we wentto Montville, because Amy has
been talking a lot more about itto people but then been like,
(12:17):
oh, maybe we should tell peopleor maybe you know your Instagram
posts and I was like, yeah,whatever, like I'm easy, I
thought I was.
And then when it posted, I waslike holy shit, now everyone
knows.
And you're like walking downand you're like does that person
know?
And are they thinking I'm weird?
But it also comes back to likewe've had.
(12:39):
I literally went for a run witha guy this morning and they're
pregnant, which is awesome.
And then we caught up with yourfriend yesterday they're
pregnant, it's awesome.
And then we caught up with myfriend last week and they're
pregnant which is awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
In the space of a week, we've had three of our
friends share their pregnancynews, which is that you're happy
for them, but it's also like abit of a punch in the guts at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's such a weird experience yeah and you don't
want to.
Yeah, you definitely don't wantto sound bad and we obviously
don't.
Then don't talk about it at all, because I don't think any of
them knew, because after youcelebrate the exciting news you
don't want to bring it down.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, and they're like so what's happening with
you?
When are you going to have kids?
And you're like, oh, you knowwe're going're busy.
So yeah, that's been hard tonavigate as well.
But yeah, again taking controlof our own story now ripping the
Band-Aid off because I thinkthere was it sort of got to a
point where we had told some ofour close friends if the time
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was right.
It's always hard to bring up,especially in a group situation.
So we kind of told the friendswho we had had a one-on-one
lunch with, or we had theopportunity to tell.
So some of our friends andfamily even didn't know until
the post, which I feel veryguilty about.
But it's just never a good timeto bring up infertility.
(13:54):
It's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
And you also.
I feel like you don't want totalk about it straight after
that because we've already.
I think when you're talkingabout great things, you're
always like if you are having akid, you're always happy to talk
about it because it's new andexciting, but if you're
constantly talking about the badthings, it's not fun.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
No, it's not fun and it's like I don't know if I told
you I like burst into tears oneday, talking about it at lunch
in public and I was just like,oh, I can't.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I was not at our lunch.
When did that happen?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It was like when I was still on hormones, so you
know I was very emotional.
But that's when I realized Icouldn't really talk about it to
everyone at once, because it'sjust like opening wounds over
and over again and I don't wantto be the person who cries at
lunch.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
What a downer.
No, I'm kidding, but what hasit been like for you personally,
like what thoughts have gonethrough your head?
Because I know, I don't knowwhether you're going to talk
about the song, but I'm going totalk about it because people
who listen to the podcastdeserve to know before everyone
else.
But you wrote a song.
You broke me with it when wewere at Montville to know before
everyone else.
But you wrote a song.
You broke me with it when wewere at Montville.
(15:03):
You broke yourself with it too,probably.
But for me it's like normally,when there's a problem in my
life, you can just outwork aproblem and find a solution and
solve it.
But this is one of those thingswhere we're very lucky, there's
potential solutions or there'soptions, but nothing's
guaranteed.
So for me I find that reallyhard yeah, it just takes.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You just don't have any control over it.
Really, um, I feel like we weare problem solvers and we've
always managed to get throughthings by just like working
through it or like finding asolution.
But with this it's literallyjust you just have to go through
the motions and like trydifferent things.
We've tried everything.
We're also we also have anaturopath.
So if anyone's out therethinking we've just jumped to
(15:49):
IVF, we haven't.
We've gone through everythingeverything, um.
So yeah, it's been a journey, asthey say, um, and not a fun one
, but anyway, I'm glad that wecan talk about it now and I have
written a song which I'llrelease in a couple of days,
maybe once we get.
(16:10):
We're going to Mexico tomorrow,so I don't want to dampen it.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I can release it to Patreon first.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Because they're loyal .
They're the people who, I don'twant to say, care most about us
.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah they're our biggest fans yeah.
All right, I'm going to sharethe song to Patreon first, but
please don't share it until Ishare it on Instagram.
I haven't recorded it.
It's literally just me singingto camera.
So if people love it that much,I will eventually record it and
release it.
But I think there's so manypeople who are going through our
same journey.
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Like, just reading all thecomments today has made me
realise that I think you hearthe stats, like one in six
couples go through infertility,but until you actually like get
messages from people you knoweven who are like, hey, we're
actually going through it, butwe haven't told anyone or people
who have come out the otherside, whether they ended up with
a baby or not, like I've heardall the stories today, so it's
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been really cathartic hearingthe support, and so this is
going to be my gift back toanyone struggling with
infertility.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
It's definitely another reason why we wanted to
share as well, like aside fromthe constant questions around
like when are you guys havingkids, or are you guys trying yet
, or all of that stuff whereyou're just like all the time,
once again, it's coming from agood place, but you just get
sick of it.
I personally, when I started mybusiness and was dealing with my
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shit, I wanted to documentgoing through it because I think
it's as someone who admiresseeing what you know we all get
to see like people on the otherside of triumph or whatever it
is, and we mightn't have a goodend who knows or the end that we
want.
So but to be along with thejourney, like there's so many
other people, as you said, whoare going through the same thing
(18:00):
, so it's more relatable.
We'll probably find and meetnew people who can give us
stories, perspectives andinsights.
That is comforting or helpful,where if we try to keep you keep
it in and you go through italone, it's very isolating and
then it leads to more issueswhere whatever those could be.
(18:20):
So I think it's find a document, and when I say find, it's like
for me personally, I lovetalking about things I don't
want to not be able to talkabout things if I'm stressed or
if I'm frustrated or whatever itis.
It's easy to just tell thetruth for me, but I also respect
it when you wanted to keep itquiet.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I'm more of a private person.
I'm a shy person.
I don't like bringing it up.
I think that's the hardest bitis like trying to find when to
bring it up.
I'd rather just not talk aboutit.
Honestly, I'm opposite to youand plus I find it just hard to
talk about it.
Opposites attract, yeah, whichis probably why I'm a songwriter
, because I find it easier towrite a song than to like talk,
(19:04):
but your song really conveys howyou feel.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
How do you feel about it all?
Because we've spoken a lotabout it but I haven't don't
think we've ever, aside fromhearing the song.
You've never really shared withme how you feel.
Yeah, and now that I've got youin front of the camera you have
to tell me how you feel.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
A mixed bag, I think, obviously very emotional and
have good days and bad days, Ithink, and it's like it's almost
like consecutive, it's likegood day followed by a bad day,
followed by a good day followedby a bad day.
Um, I feel grateful that wehave access to healthcare now.
I think in America it was hardcause, you know, it's expensive
(19:50):
to even get a blood test overthere, um, but also you have
days where you feel really sadand sorry for yourself because
you know it's expensive to evenget a blood test over there.
But also you have days whereyou feel really sad and sorry
for yourself and it feels reallyunfair and, yeah, just like
angry that we have to even gothrough this when literal
crackheads can get pregnant.
I keep saying that, but yeah,and it's not a good mindset to
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have, but it's the truth.
You just think why not us?
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, yeah, you spend so long getting yourself into a
position for it, but I think,yeah, it all happens for a
reason, as much as it's veryfucking frustrating, but it'll
work out, however it yeah, and Ithink stress plays a big part
in this, especially withunexplained infertility, like
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when nothing's wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
It's obviously like we've been on the go for years,
10 years, um but that being said, it's not like it can just stop
and not work anymore, like I'vegot bills to pay as well.
So, trying to find a balance inbetween that, I've been getting
acupuncture, which has beenhelping.
I just get, like you know, asmall amount of time a week just
(21:04):
to completely switch off, andthat's been helpful.
Doing all we can really Like.
What else can we do?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I could probably not run 58 marathons, because I know
there's going to be peoplesaying that eventually, but
we've been, as we've said, triedfor two years and that is the
thing.
So when we did all of our testson both sides, it's not like
the sperm count was there or anyof that sort of stuff was
cooked all the same on amy'sside.
(21:35):
So normally, if one of the twosides there's like something
wrong, you're like oh cool, okay, well, now let's address that
and see what we can do for that.
But when they're both healthyand everything's good, you're
like one and one make two, likethat's math makes sense, but
it's just not not working.
So for me personally, like Ifeel that it is because we are
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on the go so much and I wouldlove to slow down for a bit.
However, yeah, we've just movedoverseas, so it comes.
Yeah, there's so many questionsthat could go on the back of
that, but yeah depends on whatyou want more.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, I think it's going to be our priority in 2025
to try and make a baby one wayor another.
So, yes, we're still going tobe going back to Nashville, but
we've got different measures inplace.
You know, I've also given updrinking a ton of coffee.
I don't drink any coffeeanymore.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Boring.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And obviously you can't just blame one thing for
infertility, like it's not thecoffee and it's not because it's
a full moon, or like there's somany reasons.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You're just trying to get as healthy as possible.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I've also stopped.
I was running a lot, I wasdoing a lot of like high stress
exercise and that just on top oftouring and all of the things I
think doesn't help.
So, yeah, if there's no reasonthat, like, all those measures
put into place can't help butwe'll see what happens with this
(23:07):
IVF cycle.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
That was a traumatic experience in itself, but Do we
want to talk about that now orlater?
Should just keep it all in oneepisode yeah later, what do you
reckon?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
oh, we can save that for later.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I feel like it's a whole episode in itself yeah,
we'll come back to that, becausewe do like keeping these
episodes around this time frame,so and there's so much to talk
about with it, so much to unpack.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
This is just the initial, I guess, discussion
about it all, and there's somuch to talk about with this, so
much to unpack.
This is just the initial, Iguess, discussion about it all,
and there's so much movingforward that we're going to
share with you all.
But thank you to everyone whosent lovely messages.
I've cried many times todayreading them Really.
Just little tears, little tears, that's nice.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I haven't read any yet.
I'm going to read them.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Tonight, once I get into bed, you're going to cry
any.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yet I'm gonna read you're gonna cry once I get into
bed.
You're gonna cry oh, it's justbeen going nuts and I'm like,
fuck, I don't know whether I'll,I'll read it tonight yeah, it's
been a big day, but we're gonnago and have a lovely dinner
pizza.
Hopefully.
I want pizza last night inaustralia till march okay, you
can get pizza I reckon I needpizza.
If you guys do have questions,though, like send them on
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instagram to the couple goalsone, don't send them to our
personal ones for the podcast,obviously.
Send them to couple goals,instagram or even on spotify now
you can leave like comments, oryoutube even, or patreon like.
Wherever you listen to this,you should be able to get in
contact with us and share yourstories, ask us questions,
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because the more we get to talkabout it, the easier it is for
us to understand it.
I think.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, I think it's been really raw and private up
until now, so still navigatingit.
But the more you talk about ityou kind of become desensitized
to it also.
I think we're at a point wherewe're happy to share.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, well, guys, thank you for tuning in.
We will see you next week.
We'll probably be recordingfrom a lovely location in Mexico
Can't wait.
You'll be having a virgin pinacolada Oi.
That's like one of my biggestdisappointments is not being
able to they still stay on thesame, and the only thing you
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miss out on when you're drinkingtequila is like that slap in
the back of the throat yeah soit's all good yeah, look on the
wedding day.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
If you see me having a glass of champagne, please
don't judge me.
I, um, I'm probably gonna dothat slight times um obviously
I'm not gonna get pissed, butI'm just gonna next minute I
going to have one or twochampagnes on the wedding day,
so I stay sane.
Yeah, sounds good, I love itand doctor said it's fine, I can
have up to four a week, but Ichoose not to.
But on the wedding day I amgoing to have a couple.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Sounds good love.
Well, darling, I love you.
I'm glad you shared it becauseI think it's good for you,
because I see you stressingabout stuff and I like it when
you talk about stuff, Because Italk about stuff you don't.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I know.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
You're a little.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I bottle it up.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, you bottle it up, throw it in the ocean and it
hits another island.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, it's good for songwriting.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
It is.
But yeah, fair enough.
I'm not going to argue Allright All.
Guys, today, on the man that Can Project, we've got
a special episode.
So it's an episode that I didwith my wife, amy, and we put it
on our other podcast, coupleGoals, where we're talking about
our journey with IVF.
So I wanted to share it becauseI think it's a conversation
that a lot of people don't talkabout but a lot of people
experience.
So if you take away anything orif you have any questions, make
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sure you drop them in thecomments or flick me a message
on social media and rememberhappy or merry christmas and
happy new year.
Look forward to being 23 daysaway from kicking off the 58
marathons in 58 days across all50 states of america and all
eight states and territories ofaustralia.
So it's going to be a fun one,but I'm currently in mexico as
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we're recording this one or I'mediting it, but I'm sure you'll
get a lot of value out of it andI look forward to hearing
everyone's stories orexperiences with infertility.
As always, do something todayto be better for tomorrow.
You did something this morningI was at coffee with the boys.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Who did you have coffee with?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I had coffee with James, Liam and Jazza.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And my phone started blowing up.
I had no idea what was going onand you posted something on
social media.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I did.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
And I think it's probably a good place to start.
It's probably a good place forthis whole episode.
So we're not going to do ourget to know us because this one
is really getting to know us.
I think what Amy posted it'scool because now we can sort of
don't have to be careful what wetalk about.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I feel like the last couple of weeks or the last bit,
as we've been going throughwhat Amy's going to talk about
we've had to like sort ofsidestep or tread carefully
around this conversation, butamy's done it yeah, I think
we've been wanting to share thenews that we are have been
diagnosed with unexplainedinfertility.
(01:53):
Love that for us, um, and Ididn't realize we were diagnosed
yeah, it's a diagnosis, it's areal, I think it's a disease?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
No, I'm not buying that.
Some people call it a disease.
No, I'm not buying that.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
What do you think it?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
is it's not a disease or it's not a label.
It's like you just got to geton with it.
Yeah, I mean, I hate it whenthey say you are diagnosed.
I'm like right?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, the reason they diagnose you is so you can get
Medicare benefits, because ifyou don't have the diagnosis,
you don't get the benefits.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So if you don't get, the label you don't get the now.
That can be good in this case,but in some instances it's
probably not good.
But we're not going to go downthat rabbit hole.
Let's talk about this.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, so I don't know .
We've been dealing with it foryears, I guess.
All in all, probably two yearsWe've been trying for a Stuart
Little.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I've never heard you say that, Stuart Little.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
But it hasn't been easy for us, it's been fun.
For the most part, I don't knowI enjoy it, I don't think it's
been fun.
Lockie, it was fun for a while.
I'm like, oh, this is excitingand new and we're going to have
a baby soon.
And month after month goes onand no baby.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
It's crazy to me that you spend so much time in your
younger years doing whatever youcan from a contraceptive
standpoint so you don't getpregnant, meaning condoms, the
pill, the pull-out method.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Everyone knows what contraception method is.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I know, but I just wanted to take them down, my
idea of it, anyway.
And then you just go for it andyou've just realized that it's
not as easy as first thought,for us anyway.
So I'm like I've wasted a lotof money on condoms,
contraception.
We're trying to make lightheart of a frustrating situation
(03:47):
.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, and I guess we didn't sayanything earlier or make it
public, because it is a reallypersonal issue, obviously and
also you hope to have thatsurprise moment for everyone,
for yourself, that surprisemoment that you always dreamed
of, being like, oh, we'repregnant, but that's something
that we're never going to have,which is I mean it will be a
(04:08):
surprise.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Don't say never yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
When we, but not the traditional way that you always
hope for.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Potentially, I still don't give up hope.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
For what A surprise.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Just for a fucking surprise.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
That's right, that's true.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
It could happen any day really, Because we both know
some of your friends have beentold they would never get
pregnant and then they ended uppregnant.
So for me I'm like, okay,there's still things.
I've heard so much aroundstress and so many things yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I guess in my head I never wanted to even tell people
we were trying, I just wantedit to be not a thing.
So I think I was sort ofprobably in a denial for a
really long time, like, oh,it'll happen, it takes longer
for some people.
Rah rah Sort of spoke to mydoctor about it and they're like
okay, well, you know, give itanother six months, and if not,
we'll circle back.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And so yeah, six months later, after already a
year of trying I think that'swhen we got the diagnosis, and
then since then it's beenanother but maybe we should talk
about what that whole processhas been like, because I think
it's like, once again, it's shit, and I think it's always worse
for the women, like mendefinitely don't talk about it
(05:17):
either, and it's not always likemen.
Everyone needs to get tested,because quite often I think the
blame potentially falls on thewomen.
I would say but we've both doneheaps of tests.
We did genetic testingoriginally, like to make sure
anyway.
I think everyone should yeah,everyone should do genetic
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testing.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
We did that before we even knew that yeah, we were
having any issues and it turnsout I'm a carrier for cystic
fibrosis.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, and the reason why you do that is if you both
have sort of matching genes thatare for various things, like
they obviously recommend, orgive you the option for IVS,
yeah, so luckily Lockie had toget genetic tested as well and
he wasn't a carrier for cysticfibrosis.
I just said I was a freak.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
That means that's good.
That means we can't pass it on.
We can pass on the recessivegene, but we can't pass on
cystic fibrosis.
So, anyway, I think I reallystrongly recommend everybody
goes before trying.
If they can Go and get tested,genetically tested it's
something you'll never regretdoing.
But anyway, from then we werelike okay, let's start trying.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's like Christmas comes early, you know what I
mean.
Like for a bloke.
You're just like sweet, I cansaddle up every day or whatever
it is, but then it startsgetting more.
I feel like over time you getmore pressure on it and the
pressure sort of takes the funout of it and you feel like
every month when you're doingyour, you check and it's like a
(06:51):
no.
You're like fuck and then likefor me, as a bloke I'm so when
we did our testing, so, as I'llexplain how it goes for blokes,
because people don't talk aboutit, I think it's a funny story.
Okay, I don't really care, soI'm going to talk about it.
I think it's a funny story.
Okay, I don't really care, soI'm going to talk about it.
So when you're going to go gettested the women obviously have
well, you can share your story,I'll share mine.
Get their test.
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But then, as a bloke, you gotto go have this weird, really
weird experience and I wentaround the corner.
So I'm going to tell this fullstory I've rolled in.
When you book in, you'veobviously got to produce a
sample like come in a cup,essentially, and so Produce a
sample.
Yeah, produce a sample.
(07:32):
I'm like okay.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Come in a cup, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah.
So I've gone around and likewhen you book in, they're like
do you want to produce at home?
If you live within x amount,you can do that because you need
to get it to us within an hour,or if you don't, you got to
produce in-house.
And I was like that's an easyone, I'm around the corner, I'm
going to produce at home.
I'm going to lay on the comfortof my own bed and do the thing
(07:55):
how nice how?
yeah, exactly like awesome.
But I've walked in there nextminute old love's talking about
how her son went to school withamy and yada, yada, yada and I
was like, well, this is weirdhow did she know?
checks the record, because youobviously have to say who your
partner is, because they butanyway.
So then she's also like okay,here's your cup, just go in the
room.
(08:15):
I was like I thought I wastaking that cup and I was going
back home.
She's like no, no, no, no,we've got you for in-house.
So I'm rolling in and I'm likesweating balls because there's
all these people and they knowexactly what you're there to do.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They see it multiple times, I know.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
but it's not every day that I just go rip it in a
private room.
It's so embarrassing so it'svery, and so the whole time that
experience is happening I'mjust thinking they know what I'm
in here doing.
I can't even think about doingthe thing.
I'm thinking about trying toburp a worm and fucking get out
there and get it done, and thenI'm going to walk back out with
(08:50):
a cup and be like here you goand then you're like is it
enough?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You had to do it multiple times because we had
multiple tests plus the IVF.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I've got some stories for you guys, if you want to
hear more of my stories, of mytesting.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I think that's quite enough.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Comment below because I've got some stories.
You're a veteran at coming inthe cup.
I'm a veteran and I do lovewhen I go for a run with the
boys or whatever.
I give them the come in the cupstories and they've got their
own stories for their ownreasons.
So I can definitely pass someof those on.
But enough about me, let's goback to Amy.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I think it's funny.
I just want to talk about beingrecognized through this process
, because it's been one of mybiggest fears.
It's so embarrassing.
Infertility is embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Why do you find it embarrassing?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, not just that, but even just going to chemists
for something personal andgetting recognised is just the
worst.
I'm not at a level like ArianaGrande or Taylor Swift where a
doctor comes to you and you canjust like have that luxury of
privacy.
But, yeah, being in the publiceye can be very hard.
For that reason, yeah, and wewere recognised multiple times
(10:04):
throughout this experience,which is part of the reason why
I'm sharing it, becauseeventually I feel like it's
going to come out.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean that's been quitehard, especially in times where,
like, I hadn't yet told myfamily or friends yet and I just
was like so worried aboutsomebody telling somebody who
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told my mum, or something likethat, because it was just, yeah,
I mean, and it's embarrassing,you don't want everyone to know
your business, or you knowsomebody else sees you in the
clinic like a fan, notnecessarily a doctor or a nurse
or whatever, but a fan.
You know someone else goingthrough the same experience.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So, yeah, that's been fun, it is bad and for anyone
listening, like for any doctorsthat listen, don't ever blurt it
.
I reckon it happened like twoor three times where people are
like, oh my God, amy Shepard,and then they're talking about
how they've told the othernurses that you're in and you're
like, hold up, isn't the wholepoint of coming here, like
(11:04):
confidentiality and everythinglike that, but then you're
chin-wagging about it.
So then we're like, fuck, whoelse knows?
And so then, yeah, that'sprobably why what led us to
wanting to do this publicly,because I feel like eventually
it's going to get out, becausepeople are, and nothing against
(11:25):
the doctors or nurses, they'rejust excited.
It's not malicious.
No.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
But I just feel like it just takes one person to tell
another person Next minute thecareer males are like hey.
Yeah, so that wasn't a reallyfun experience, but I think it's
important that we've takencontrol of our story now and we
can share.
(11:49):
I think we just wanted to shareit on our own terms.
You know it's hard to sharewhen you're not ready.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Well, yeah, over the last couple of months I feel
like we've wanted to talk aboutit, but it's probably getting
more to a point of acceptance.
Watching you over, especiallyover the last two weeks you've
maybe three weeks since we wentto Montville, because Amy has
been talking a lot more about itto people but then been like,
(12:17):
oh, maybe we should tell peopleor maybe you know your Instagram
posts and I was like, yeah,whatever, like I'm easy, I
thought I was.
And then when it posted, I waslike holy shit, now everyone
knows.
And you're like walking downand you're like does that person
know?
And are they thinking I'm weird?
But it also comes back to likewe've had.
(12:39):
I literally went for a run witha guy this morning and they're
pregnant, which is awesome.
And then we caught up with yourfriend yesterday they're
pregnant, it's awesome.
And then we caught up with myfriend last week and they're
pregnant which is awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
In the space of a week, we've had three of our
friends share their pregnancynews, which is that you're happy
for them, but it's also like abit of a punch in the guts at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's such a weird experience yeah and you don't
want to.
Yeah, you definitely don't wantto sound bad and we obviously
don't.
Then don't talk about it at all, because I don't think any of
them knew, because after youcelebrate the exciting news you
don't want to bring it down.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, and they're like so what's happening with
you?
When are you going to have kids?
And you're like, oh, you knowwe're going're busy.
So yeah, that's been hard tonavigate as well.
But yeah, again taking controlof our own story now ripping the
Band-Aid off because I thinkthere was it sort of got to a
point where we had told some ofour close friends if the time
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was right.
It's always hard to bring up,especially in a group situation.
So we kind of told the friendswho we had had a one-on-one
lunch with, or we had theopportunity to tell.
So some of our friends andfamily even didn't know until
the post, which I feel veryguilty about.
But it's just never a good timeto bring up infertility.
(13:54):
It's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
And you also.
I feel like you don't want totalk about it straight after
that because we've already.
I think when you're talkingabout great things, you're
always like if you are having akid, you're always happy to talk
about it because it's new andexciting, but if you're
constantly talking about the badthings, it's not fun.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
No, it's not fun and it's like I don't know if I told
you I like burst into tears oneday, talking about it at lunch
in public and I was just like,oh, I can't.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I was not at our lunch.
When did that happen?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It was like when I was still on hormones, so you
know I was very emotional.
But that's when I realized Icouldn't really talk about it to
everyone at once, because it'sjust like opening wounds over
and over again and I don't wantto be the person who cries at
lunch.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
What a downer.
No, I'm kidding, but what hasit been like for you personally,
like what thoughts have gonethrough your head?
Because I know, I don't knowwhether you're going to talk
about the song, but I'm going totalk about it because people
who listen to the podcastdeserve to know before everyone
else.
But you wrote a song.
You broke me with it when wewere at Montville to know before
everyone else.
But you wrote a song.
You broke me with it when wewere at Montville.
(15:03):
You broke yourself with it too,probably.
But for me it's like normally,when there's a problem in my
life, you can just outwork aproblem and find a solution and
solve it.
But this is one of those thingswhere we're very lucky, there's
potential solutions or there'soptions, but nothing's
guaranteed.
So for me I find that reallyhard yeah, it just takes.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You just don't have any control over it.
Really, um, I feel like we weare problem solvers and we've
always managed to get throughthings by just like working
through it or like finding asolution.
But with this it's literallyjust you just have to go through
the motions and like trydifferent things.
We've tried everything.
We're also we also have anaturopath.
So if anyone's out therethinking we've just jumped to
(15:49):
IVF, we haven't.
We've gone through everythingeverything, um.
So yeah, it's been a journey, asthey say, um, and not a fun one
, but anyway, I'm glad that wecan talk about it now and I have
written a song which I'llrelease in a couple of days,
maybe once we get.
(16:10):
We're going to Mexico tomorrow,so I don't want to dampen it.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I can release it to Patreon first.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Because they're loyal .
They're the people who, I don'twant to say, care most about us
.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah they're our biggest fans yeah.
All right, I'm going to sharethe song to Patreon first, but
please don't share it until Ishare it on Instagram.
I haven't recorded it.
It's literally just me singingto camera.
So if people love it that much,I will eventually record it and
release it.
But I think there's so manypeople who are going through our
same journey.
(16:44):
Like, just reading all thecomments today has made me
realise that I think you hearthe stats, like one in six
couples go through infertility,but until you actually like get
messages from people you knoweven who are like, hey, we're
actually going through it, butwe haven't told anyone or people
who have come out the otherside, whether they ended up with
a baby or not, like I've heardall the stories today, so it's
(17:08):
been really cathartic hearingthe support, and so this is
going to be my gift back toanyone struggling with
infertility.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
It's definitely another reason why we wanted to
share as well, like aside fromthe constant questions around
like when are you guys havingkids, or are you guys trying yet
, or all of that stuff whereyou're just like all the time,
once again, it's coming from agood place, but you just get
sick of it.
I personally, when I started mybusiness and was dealing with my
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shit, I wanted to documentgoing through it because I think
it's as someone who admiresseeing what you know we all get
to see like people on the otherside of triumph or whatever it
is, and we mightn't have a goodend who knows or the end that we
want.
So but to be along with thejourney, like there's so many
other people, as you said, whoare going through the same thing
(18:00):
, so it's more relatable.
We'll probably find and meetnew people who can give us
stories, perspectives andinsights.
That is comforting or helpful,where if we try to keep you keep
it in and you go through italone, it's very isolating and
then it leads to more issueswhere whatever those could be.
(18:20):
So I think it's find a document, and when I say find, it's like
for me personally, I lovetalking about things I don't
want to not be able to talkabout things if I'm stressed or
if I'm frustrated or whatever itis.
It's easy to just tell thetruth for me, but I also respect
it when you wanted to keep itquiet.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I'm more of a private person.
I'm a shy person.
I don't like bringing it up.
I think that's the hardest bitis like trying to find when to
bring it up.
I'd rather just not talk aboutit.
Honestly, I'm opposite to youand plus I find it just hard to
talk about it.
Opposites attract, yeah, whichis probably why I'm a songwriter
, because I find it easier towrite a song than to like talk,
(19:04):
but your song really conveys howyou feel.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
How do you feel about it all?
Because we've spoken a lotabout it but I haven't don't
think we've ever, aside fromhearing the song.
You've never really shared withme how you feel.
Yeah, and now that I've got youin front of the camera you have
to tell me how you feel.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
A mixed bag, I think, obviously very emotional and
have good days and bad days, Ithink, and it's like it's almost
like consecutive, it's likegood day followed by a bad day,
followed by a good day followedby a bad day.
Um, I feel grateful that wehave access to healthcare now.
I think in America it was hardcause, you know, it's expensive
(19:50):
to even get a blood test overthere, um, but also you have
days where you feel really sadand sorry for yourself because
you know it's expensive to evenget a blood test over there.
But also you have days whereyou feel really sad and sorry
for yourself and it feels reallyunfair and, yeah, just like
angry that we have to even gothrough this when literal
crackheads can get pregnant.
I keep saying that, but yeah,and it's not a good mindset to
(20:14):
have, but it's the truth.
You just think why not us?
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, yeah, you spend so long getting yourself into a
position for it, but I think,yeah, it all happens for a
reason, as much as it's veryfucking frustrating, but it'll
work out, however it yeah, and Ithink stress plays a big part
in this, especially withunexplained infertility, like
(20:40):
when nothing's wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
It's obviously like we've been on the go for years,
10 years, um but that being said, it's not like it can just stop
and not work anymore, like I'vegot bills to pay as well.
So, trying to find a balance inbetween that, I've been getting
acupuncture, which has beenhelping.
I just get, like you know, asmall amount of time a week just
(21:04):
to completely switch off, andthat's been helpful.
Doing all we can really Like.
What else can we do?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I could probably not run 58 marathons, because I know
there's going to be peoplesaying that eventually, but
we've been, as we've said, triedfor two years and that is the
thing.
So when we did all of our testson both sides, it's not like
the sperm count was there or anyof that sort of stuff was
cooked all the same on amy'sside.
(21:35):
So normally, if one of the twosides there's like something
wrong, you're like oh cool, okay, well, now let's address that
and see what we can do for that.
But when they're both healthyand everything's good, you're
like one and one make two, likethat's math makes sense, but
it's just not not working.
So for me personally, like Ifeel that it is because we are
(21:58):
on the go so much and I wouldlove to slow down for a bit.
However, yeah, we've just movedoverseas, so it comes.
Yeah, there's so many questionsthat could go on the back of
that, but yeah depends on whatyou want more.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, I think it's going to be our priority in 2025
to try and make a baby one wayor another.
So, yes, we're still going tobe going back to Nashville, but
we've got different measures inplace.
You know, I've also given updrinking a ton of coffee.
I don't drink any coffeeanymore.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Boring.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And obviously you can't just blame one thing for
infertility, like it's not thecoffee and it's not because it's
a full moon, or like there's somany reasons.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You're just trying to get as healthy as possible.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I've also stopped.
I was running a lot, I wasdoing a lot of like high stress
exercise and that just on top oftouring and all of the things I
think doesn't help.
So, yeah, if there's no reasonthat, like, all those measures
put into place can't help butwe'll see what happens with this
(23:07):
IVF cycle.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
That was a traumatic experience in itself, but Do we
want to talk about that now orlater?
Should just keep it all in oneepisode yeah later, what do you
reckon?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
oh, we can save that for later.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I feel like it's a whole episode in itself yeah,
we'll come back to that, becausewe do like keeping these
episodes around this time frame,so and there's so much to talk
about with it, so much to unpack.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
This is just the initial, I guess, discussion
about it all, and there's somuch to talk about with this, so
much to unpack.
This is just the initial, Iguess, discussion about it all,
and there's so much movingforward that we're going to
share with you all.
But thank you to everyone whosent lovely messages.
I've cried many times todayreading them Really.
Just little tears, little tears, that's nice.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I haven't read any yet.
I'm going to read them.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Tonight, once I get into bed, you're going to cry
any.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yet I'm gonna read you're gonna cry once I get into
bed.
You're gonna cry oh, it's justbeen going nuts and I'm like,
fuck, I don't know whether I'll,I'll read it tonight yeah, it's
been a big day, but we're gonnago and have a lovely dinner
pizza.
Hopefully.
I want pizza last night inaustralia till march okay, you
can get pizza I reckon I needpizza.
If you guys do have questions,though, like send them on
(24:16):
instagram to the couple goalsone, don't send them to our
personal ones for the podcast,obviously.
Send them to couple goals,instagram or even on spotify now
you can leave like comments, oryoutube even, or patreon like.
Wherever you listen to this,you should be able to get in
contact with us and share yourstories, ask us questions,
(24:36):
because the more we get to talkabout it, the easier it is for
us to understand it.
I think.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, I think it's been really raw and private up
until now, so still navigatingit.
But the more you talk about ityou kind of become desensitized
to it also.
I think we're at a point wherewe're happy to share.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, well, guys, thank you for tuning in.
We will see you next week.
We'll probably be recordingfrom a lovely location in Mexico
Can't wait.
You'll be having a virgin pinacolada Oi.
That's like one of my biggestdisappointments is not being
able to they still stay on thesame, and the only thing you
(25:16):
miss out on when you're drinkingtequila is like that slap in
the back of the throat yeah soit's all good yeah, look on the
wedding day.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
If you see me having a glass of champagne, please
don't judge me.
I, um, I'm probably gonna dothat slight times um obviously
I'm not gonna get pissed, butI'm just gonna next minute I
going to have one or twochampagnes on the wedding day,
so I stay sane.
Yeah, sounds good, I love itand doctor said it's fine, I can
have up to four a week, but Ichoose not to.
But on the wedding day I amgoing to have a couple.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Sounds good love.
Well, darling, I love you.
I'm glad you shared it becauseI think it's good for you,
because I see you stressingabout stuff and I like it when
you talk about stuff, Because Italk about stuff you don't.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I know.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
You're a little.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I bottle it up.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, you bottle it up, throw it in the ocean and it
hits another island.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, it's good for songwriting.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
It is.
But yeah, fair enough.
I'm not going to argue Allright All.
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