056 - The development journey of a new EF Education-ONTO Junior Race Team rider. (Brady Hogue) - Mountain Cog

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Josh (00:15):
So I was confused Like why there are so many vampires in
Europe.
And you guys just went toEurope, right yeah, but there's
like none in Africa.

Mike (00:27):
Is this kind of thing you contemplate, Josh?

Josh (00:30):
I think about this kind of stuff all the time and then I
got to remember that, likevampires are killed by holy
water and they bless the veinsdown in Africa.

Mike (00:41):
Oh, it's a great song.
Yes, I had a 45.

Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom) (00:45):
I mean, that is a true dad's joke.

Mike (00:47):
Yes, what, seriously?
What is the name of the songthough?
Africa, yeah, africa, and therefrain is God bless the rains
in Africa or something,something like that.

Josh (00:59):
Okay, I can remember.
Maybe it's God blessed, ormaybe it's just they blessed, I
can't remember.

Mike (01:04):
I can't either, but I did have the 45.
Do you guys?

Josh (01:07):
and Brady doesn't even know what a 45 is.
You know what?
Do you know what a 45 is?
Yes, you do.
No, she doesn't.
Okay, no.

Mike (01:13):
Yeah, so it's a vinyl record, oh.

Bella was here, she'd know.
She knows Bella's got all kindsof records.
Oh yeah, she's super intorecords, yeah.

Mike (01:25):
Does that help them vinyl and record or no?
Okay, yes, and so the 45 was asmall one and he had to put a
little insert into it and slowthe turntable or speed it up, I
can't remember which one speedit up.
Yeah To 45 RPMs.

Josh (01:37):
That would be slow because it's 90 and 45, right, I
thought it was 30.
Oh, should have no idea whatI'm talking about.
We need to get a turntable.
I'm lost.

I thought we were talking about
bikes.

Josh (01:47):
Yeah, no, we talk about everything here.
Man, I'm not prepared.

Mike (01:54):
Well, we got some special guests in studio today.

Josh (01:57):
All of our guests are special.

Mike (01:59):
We need some new.

Josh (02:00):
We need some new synonyms there, or some new what is it?

Bing - Chat GPT (02:02):
Adjectives there.

Josh (02:03):
Yeah, remember my high school English class.
Yeah yeah, it's Friday night inthe MCP and we've got a couple
young prodigies with us.
One of them is going to talk inone.
We don't know yet.
She's.
She's shaking her head, she'sno.

Maybe I'm definitely not talking, don't
worry, there's no video.

Josh (02:22):
Nobody can see you.
It's only here.
But would you like to introduceyourself?

Brady Hogue (02:26):
sir Sure, I'm Brady Hogue and I'm a cyclist.
I'm trying to get to EuropeWorld Tour.

Josh (02:31):
Right on.

Right on.

Josh (02:33):
Hey, very cool.
Do you have a nickname, buddyyeah.

Shady Brady 280.

Josh (02:37):
Shady Brady, I've been calling you Shady Brady forever,
but.

I don't.

Josh (02:40):
But the 280 is new.
What's where?

does that come from ?
That's from Xbox, oh really, ohyeah.
That's that's like your candleon that.
That's old school.
That's old school, shady Brady.
That's the day 2014.

Josh (02:50):
All right, we got Shady Brady and we got mama of Shady
Brady.
You want to introduce yourself,man?

Yeah, I'm Sarah, and I'm the mom of
the cyclist sitting next to me.

Josh (03:00):
You're the mom of the phenom.

I'm the.
I try to be the pit crew, thebiggest cheerleader.

Josh (03:05):
Yeah, are you the pick crew?
Can you work on bikes now?

Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom (03:07):
Listen , I brought.
I mean, I went years without.
I just wrote.
You asked me a question.

Josh (03:14):
I'm like there's a thing that spins, and you know.

But I remember coming driving out to
change your tire one pretty muchyeah, yeah, yeah, and thank God
it didn't get a flat in Europe.
Let's just put it that waybecause, I haven't had a flat, I
know right.

Josh (03:26):
I know right, not kind of what it's coming.
Tomorrow morning you watch.

Yeah, I literally just messaged a
picture to Josh and was like Igot this like goat head in my
tire.
Should I pull?

Josh (03:37):
it.
What did you do?
Did you pull it?

out.
Yeah, we pulled it.
I ended up.
Jason met me, my husband Jasonmet me at S and P and he we
pulled it and it started spewingair and spin the tire and it's
sealed up.

Josh (03:47):
It's sealed up.

But yeah, but I was of course
calling you.

Josh (03:50):
I don't know what to do.
I'm like, well, there's twotrains of thought on this.

Yeah, I know the veil bike guys would
say leaving in, and just justtake it out so right and I
didn't know what to do becauseit was right on the side, so I
wasn't actually hitting it whenI was riding and I was on a road
bike, so you know it can be,you know when you're turning,
you never know.
But but yeah, in Europe I, webrought our bikes and I put it
together and that was prettyexciting because, you know,
normally that's not somethingthat I do.

(04:15):
And yeah, it was great, it wasa good feeling to not only you
know be, you know figure out howto do that, but now you know
could do it and go ride my bike,and it didn't have something to
be like, uh, yes, and then dothat right.

Mike (04:29):
And the wheels?
The wheels did not fall off.
Nothing fell off Nice.

Sarah Hogue (Brady's mo (04:32):
Nothing .
I mean it was a little creaky,you know, but nothing like you
know.
You'd be surprised at what thatlike chain loop.
You could just put thatanywhere and it just.

Literally put that anywhere Okay.

That's my sister on the pedals on the
pedals on the chain.
I'm like it's somewhere.

Mike (04:51):
Which chain loop do you use?

It's the I don't know.
Here we go.
It's the green one.

Josh (04:56):
That's what I figured, great.

What chain would be this rock and roll?
Rock and roll Is it is it?

Josh (05:01):
is it a wax dry?
What is it?
Any idea Dry?

dry, dry, but it's.
It has a little green top.
It's red, no, no no, she's not.

She's thinking of the wrong thing.

I'm using the one with the little
green.

She's using the wrong one.

Mike (05:12):
Yeah, that's sriracha.

Yeah.

Mike (05:16):
The little green top.

Josh (05:17):
that is, it's a red bottle with a red top.

Mike (05:21):
That is not chain loop, yeah, sriracha.

Josh (05:24):
Did you know that you've heard of here?
First, you can use sriracha asa chain loop.
Works real well, hey, okay.
So, brady, maybe maybe to kindof, since we've just been BS in
this whole time, maybe you canstart by kind of like start at
the beginning, like when did youstart riding bikes?
and kind of take us up to.
Let's not go through the Europetrip yet cause we'll spend some

(05:46):
time on that.
But you know, take us upthrough.
Like, how did you become like acompetitive road cyclist?
Like, how'd you get here when?
When did it all start?

Uh, so it all started when I was two and my
mom and dad helped me learn howto ride a bike and I was on a
strider doing jumps.

Josh (06:01):
Little push bike.

Yeah, a little push bike and then uh.

Josh (06:04):
I think Pennsylvania right , pennsylvania, yeah, yeah.

I think I was 10 years old and I did my first or
11, when I did my first 10 mileride right.
And then, uh, I joined the veilmountain bike team and then I
started riding just three timesa week not not super
competitively for the first year.
And then the second year Istarted doing the races and I
started the first couple.

Josh (06:25):
I was like.
So, the first year on the veilmountain bike team, you didn't
race.

You just went to practice, I didn't rate yeah.

Josh (06:28):
Okay, I didn't know that.

Yeah.

Josh (06:30):
That's like you're in sixth grade at that time.

Yeah, okay.

That was uh, was that COVID?
Shoot I don't know, that wasCOVID, I believe.
So I don't think they actuallyhad races races.
So we, a lot of the team,actually did go up to some of
the race areas and and raced.

Josh (06:48):
Yeah, but we it wasn't like an organized event or what
I don't it was.

I think it was just for whoever
could, and um we, so we werejust there for the practices.
Oh, cool At that time.

Josh (06:58):
So first season mountain bike team?
You're just kind of figuring itout figuring it out.

figuring out like if I like it or not, if I uh, if
I want to continue doing it, uh.
And then I decided to do thefirst race the next season.
I was.
I was like that's, this isawesome, I want to do it again
Cause I got a good result and Idid it again.
I liked it even more and Istarted doing those more.
Um, I did pretty decent at allof them.
I think it was top 20.

(07:24):
Yeah, I think at all of them.
And then I started doing localraces in Arizona, like like
mountain bike races.

Josh (07:30):
Mountain bike races.

No, no road races.
Yet I think I owned a road bikeuntil a couple months after
this, and then I started doinguh like what, like what.

Josh (07:37):
Give me some examples of some of the races that you did,
like the NBA.

NBA and um 24 hour race NBA.
I did a racing uh Big BearCalifornia.

Josh (07:49):
Okay.

And then I think those were the ones I was
cycling off doing.
Don't a desk right on.

Josh (07:57):
And then um that's up in Phoenix at McDowell right, Yep.

Oh yeah, I was cycling off of the road race and
then I got a road bike in thatyear and I started just training
, not not super heavily.
I was still riding the mountainbike more.
I hadn't done a road race yetand I think I did.
The first road race I did wastoward a Tucson.

Josh (08:15):
So when you start riding a road bike, I need to know.
It's like do you really, isthat the point?
I mean, is it like immediatelythat you start really caring
about your appearance, you startreally carrying that your
clothes match your bike and likewhat you look, like the shoes
that you have, does that comewith the road bike?
Is that like when you get that?
Do you get like a kid thatteaches?

you how to do that Once you shave your legs?
What you say?

Josh (08:35):
So at what point after the road bike are you obligated to
shave?

your legs Good answer.

Mike (08:39):
Five months five months.

Josh (08:41):
You get a ride for five months and then you're yeah, and
how many razors do you gothrough a week?

Just oh, when I first did it, like the first
time I did it, it took me likefour each leg.

It was a process, but you got it down now
, right?
We?

Oh it's bad, it's bad yeah.

Josh (08:58):
You're not shaving them now you got some wind, drag.

Mike (09:02):
It's been two weeks.
It's been two weeks, so it'sall prickly.

Yeah, it's bad.

Josh (09:06):
I've never felt that in a man before Just try it, just
have it.
No, I shaved my chest once.

Yeah, you didn't like it.
No, I didn't like it, it was,it was.

Well, it's only bad because he, when
he does it, he gets like mass it, like he gets a reaction, so he
has.
So the dermatologist was likewell, you know, we can just do
permanent removal or you justyou'd have to suck it up.
So he's just not ready tocommit.

Josh (09:31):
Yeah, have you tried near?
Oh, I get chemical burn.

Oh yeah, it gives you chemical.
It was not good.
Have you tried?

Josh (09:36):
electric razor too.

Yeah, it's just not close enough of a.

Okay.
So I mean there's a math, it'sa serious.

It's like 10 seconds over a hundred miles or
something.

Josh (09:47):
Is it really?

Yeah, there is.

Josh (09:49):
There's math like, and it's the wind the wind
resistance.

Yeah, from the hair on your legs it's
worth it, yeah, and you want tomake sure you don't have a
beard.

Josh (09:56):
It's for like, but the hair is fine, your mom is good
oh yeah, my mom's fine, theRoman haircut.

Is that what that is Roman?

Josh (10:02):
Who's Roman, or is that like the Romans?

The Romans?
Okay, I didn't know.

Josh (10:08):
Maybe he was like some kind of tiktok star or something
.
How?

Mike (10:11):
do I know?
Okay, so going back to youshaving your chest, I think
we're supposed to be talkingabout bikes.
I know that the whole otherreason why, and so he said it's
10 seconds, but remember youmade your like what do you call
it?
On the on your Strava the besttime.
Yeah, whatever it's like rightafter I shaved my chest You're
like.
I don't know what it is, but Idid shave my chest yesterday.

Josh (10:33):
Oh my God, I'm like I don't think they got a bunch of
PRs on Strava.

That was definitely it.
You had your jersey on, zippeda little.

Josh (10:43):
Yeah, I don't wear a jersey.
Look at me, man.
They don't make jerseys forthis size.
All right, we totallyinterrupted you man.
Okay, so, so, so okay, you had,you were, you were kind of at,
I was doing some mountain bikeraces.
I did the one in in Big Bear,did some in Arizona, here, and
then you got a road bike andthen five months later you
started shaving your legs.
Take us from there.

Okay, so then I started.
Uh, I got a coach, john Salskov, and I started same same coach
you have today or differentcoach I have today.
He's a owner of the hatchedToyota team which I later got on
, so I started doing some moreroad races.

Josh (11:17):
I did tour to Tucson and then I did um is it okay if I
stop you and ask questions, soso, like what does your coach do
with you?
Like, like, how does that work,how's that relationship?

So he'll, he'll uh, he's like a friend too He'll
help me out with whatever I need.

Josh (11:32):
Um so like your math homework or whatever.

Probably.
Yeah, he's so nice, he's thebest, so awesome.

Josh (11:39):
But uh, he doesn't have any tips on how you can shave
better.

No, I haven't asked .
I haven't asked your coach man.

Josh (11:45):
He's just.
You can't be the only personstruggling with this.

I know right, yeah, so I thought that's what I'm
thinking.
I think a few of the peoplehave that, the same issue but he
just gives me, uh, he'll giveme a training plan, he'll tell
me how to do it.

Josh (11:55):
Yeah.

If I need any help or questions, I'll call him and
he'll tell me exactly like whatI need to do.
Um, and it works.
It's that training plan I've.
I got so much faster in eightmonths.
I went from well, I don't wantto get ahead, but okay, well,
good, it's just.

Josh (12:10):
I went from really worse with Brady about goals.

Yeah, he asked me like what are your
goals?
And then he, he formula it's aplan to achieve those goals.
So it's not like his coach'sgoals, like what do you know?
What do you want to see happen?

Right and then from there yeah.

Josh (12:25):
And then from there they create this plan together Like
and the plans like, and theplans like ride, ride Monday
this way, tuesday that way.
Wednesday, takeoff Thursdaylift weights, that kind of thing
Exactly.

Yeah, so it's like I don't have.
I didn't have weights for awhile because I got hurt super
easily and it was during theseason.
It was just not the time, butnow I do weights.

Josh (12:46):
Okay.

So it's like Monday do an hour and a half zone two,
and Tuesday do two hours zonetwo, low three, and then
Wednesday do a four hour ride orlike just that kind of thing.

Josh (12:57):
And when you talk about zones, can you explain to our
listeners what that means?

A zone is your heart rate zone and it's a soul.
For an example zone, one couldbe from like a hundred beats per
minute to one thirty or oneforty or something right and
then zone two is one forty towhatever the end of that one is,
and it just goes on to zonefive.

Josh (13:16):
Okay, zone five.
Yeah, what's your max heartrate?
Do you know?

I think in Europe I hit 200.
Wow yeah, it's like a rabbit.

Josh (13:25):
It was very, very hot in that room, oh you're in a room,
we're doing a FTP test orsomething like that yeah,
lactate threshold test.
Oh well, what's a lactoadthreshold?

So lacto lactate, lactate threshold test lactic
acid in your muscles.
Okay, you, uh, every, every.
You started a hundred and oryou started 80 Watts, I think,
and then every 90 Watts, andthen every five minutes it goes
up 30 Watts.

Josh (13:49):
What's a?

watt.
It's a unit of power, ameasurement of power for your
like horsepower, but for a human.

Josh (13:56):
Yeah, okay, exactly.

And then it goes up every five minutes 30 Watts and
then you just see how far youcan go.
And then you're wearing a maskand it measures the year like
efficiency with your breathingand stuff.
And then they'll prick your earevery five minutes and take the
blood and measure lactate.
What yeah, so uh that's not.

Mike (14:14):
Yeah, that's crazy.
How did your results turn out?

Pretty good.
Actually, I was really reallyhappy with that.
After uh, that that long trip,I was, uh, I was surprised
because I had done, I think itwas- it was after a race.

Josh (14:26):
Don't be afraid of that mic man, get close to it, yeah,
yeah.

Yeah, yeah, that good, that's good.
Okay, yeah, all right.
And then, uh, um, yeah, I was.
I don't remember exactly whatmy number was, but I think I got
to 360 Watts for just the firstminute of 360.

Mike (14:47):
Right, so he was increasing how much per every
five minutes nine uh 30.
Dude, that is.
That is really a lot of wattage, I think.
I think I'll put my stationerybike at like 160.
I don't know.

That's calibrated.

Mike (15:01):
Yeah, for five miles and I'm literally like dripping
sweat.
It's disgusting.

Yeah.

Mike (15:06):
So you did 360.
And so, but you ramped up tothat as well.
So how long did the test take?

I think it took just under an hour, like 55
minutes or something.

Josh (15:16):
Oh, so that's weight, fitness Wow.
Look at that, that is crazy.
My fitness was even bad.

I did 360 for 20, almost 25 minutes or something,
wow.

Mike (15:25):
Wow, wow, that's pretty crazy.
So that doesn't happenovernight.
So, going back to the coach, soyour coaching made a huge
difference from getting frompoint A to, I don't know, point
B or wherever.

You are now in the spectrum here, like uh, you can
get to, uh, I think, uh, you canget to a certain fitness.
Just do it by yourself, justriding whenever, in whatever
zone.
But I think if you want toadvance to that level you need
to be structured.

Josh (15:48):
Is he also coaching you on diet?

He'll give me some suggestions, but I don't have a
dietitian no.

Josh (15:53):
No, so is that something that's coming?
Is that in your future?

Um, maybe in my future.
But I'm so young it's kind oflike I can just eat when I'm
hungry.
I miss those days.

Mike (16:06):
For a listener.

Josh (16:07):
I'm showing my nephew the middle finger here.

Mike (16:10):
So Brady, so does.
Does your coach ride with you?
Or like, how do you know yourtechnique?
Or is it just like the plan,like like your mom was talking
about?

He lives in Pine Top but I'll go to visit him,
like I think I might be goinglater this year to uh go and
ride with him.
But when I was mountain bikingI had I have a friend named
Ricky.
Super fast I rode with him andhe's kind of like the guy that
was teaching me all the skills.

Josh (16:35):
So he gave you your foundation to start from right.
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
Shout out to Ricky.

Yeah, shout out to Ricky.
I knew him before I knew mycoach.

Josh (16:42):
Yeah, he was on the.
Well, he was on the bill.
Yeah, that's how I knew him.
Are you still on the billmountain bike team or no?

Not this year, no.

Josh (16:49):
Cause you're just focused on the road.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's just I would say, when people always
ask me that I'm like.

You know, like I don't know if Brady
feels this way, but I saw it asa mom that the second he swung
his bike over, or foot leg over,a road bike, he just completely
fell in love with road riding.

Josh (17:04):
Yeah.

Like he still can mountain bike and
he you know thinks it's awesomeand super fun, but it's just
that passion you see in his eyeswhen he road rides.
It's just completely different.

Mike (17:15):
Okay.
So what is it about the roadbike experience that you're
drawn to?

Honestly, I don't know, I don't.
I think it's just going faster.
I don't really like even if youcan go fast on a mountain bike,
on a downhill.
I do have fun on mountain bikesall the time, but I think just
going 40 when you're goingdownhill is more fun than just
going like 12, 13.

Mike (17:39):
Yeah, okay, so that's downhill.
What about the rest of it?

The rest of it, oh you're pedaling, I'm climbing.
I love that.

Mike (17:45):
I don't know you do the grind.

Yeah, kind of like hurting.

Josh (17:49):
You like to hurt?

Yeah, I feel like that's a road bike.

Josh (17:52):
He's not with bikes, but he's got that.
We've talked about this on apodcast a lot.

Mike (17:56):
Yeah, we have, and thank you very little, josh.
So hold bookmark where we're at, okay, and in this journey,
okay.
So Josh went to see Barbie.
Of course, I'm sure you knowthis, yeah, so then he says to
me this is last week, and let me, let me back up.
I don't think we should beafraid of our cell phones and
our TV spying on us.

(18:16):
I think we should be afraid ofour vacuums.
They've been gathering dirt onus for years, all right.

So anyways, that's your dad joke, that's my
dad, Joe, okay.

Mike (18:26):
Thank you, all right, but seriously.
So he sees Barbie, all right,and we're going to record
another podcast and he's likethat's the weirdest movie since
I saw fear and loathing in LasVegas.
I'm like, oh, I've never seenfear and loathing in Las Vegas
and he repeats it.
So guess what's in my YouTubethis whole week, right?
So thank you for that, josh.

(18:47):
So guess what's going to be inmy YouTube feed this weekend?
What Probably shaving yourchest and legs Most definitely,
most definitely.
So, yes, thank you to thisfamily right here.
All right, we were continuingwhat, what drove you like, what
you loved about, so here's astory that I remember, two of
them One is Ricky, behind mewhen I was one helping out with,

(19:08):
like the coaching on the veilmountain bike team, ricky was
like so positive the whole time,like behind me Because, you
know, I didn't know what I wasdoing.
Yeah, he was so positive, so Iremember that, so I could
imagine like him writing withyou and just kind of giving,
laying that foundation right Forsuccess.

Just like that for me, like the whole way still is.

Mike (19:23):
Yep.

I mean you guys still ride together.

Mike (19:25):
Unbelievable, yeah, he's like the best.
Unbelievable, yes, amazingwriter.

Yeah, he's like our second son in our
family.
Oh really, oh yeah, spent somany miles in time, well, just,
he's just an incredible humanbeing and he's been such a
really big influence for Brady.
But not only is he a phenomenalcyclist I mean just off the
charts but like just anincredibly kind person and what
a better influence that youwould want for your kid to look

(19:49):
up to, right Like he has.
He's super mature and he's he'snot even 18 yet.
Like he's not no, he'll be 18 ina couple months or a month or
something, but very mature.
Yeah, but he's incrediblymature and and responsible and
so, like whenever Brady would goride, I just would know he's in
good hands.
Brady Ricky's looking out forhim.
He's not only that, but he'steaching him, but not teaching

(20:12):
in the way where you're like dothis and do this, but he's just
leading by example.

Mike (20:16):
Mm, hmm, you know.
And then the second.
The second story that's kind ofrelated to that is when we were
at a practice.
I think your dad you were off,kind of not doing one of the
time trials or wherever we'redoing his practice, going around
in the loop, and your dad's,like Brady, get in there and do
it, and now it's because Iremembered that.
And then all of a sudden youknow ties to Ricky and then your

(20:38):
coach, and all of a suddenyou're like well, we're going to
talk about soon here is you'rein.
Europe riding at a professionallevel.
Just you know it's crazy.
Your your path here, yeah.

I went pretty quick .
Yes, you sure did One year ofroad racing.

So, that's yeah, so take, so take us
into like.

Josh (20:53):
So you, you'd finished your mountain bike story.
You're going to start your roadstory.
We keep interrupting you.

So after the I had a Kestrel, kestrel Talon bike
that I got from Ben's bikes andthen I rode that for a few
months, did the tour to Tucsononce I don't think I did any
other road races on it and thenI did.
I went and got a 2016 S works,s we're, I forget what my oh,

(21:19):
it's an SL, six tarmac, so six,okay.
And then I got that from areally nice guy near Mount Lemon
who who's rode it all the time.
And then, once I got that, Idid as many road races as I
could.
I I'd train lemon all the timeand I did the what's lemon for a
, for a listeners, what's notlemon, it's like uh, if you go
to the very top, I think it's 27miles of climbing, so it's

(21:42):
around 8,000 feet of elevationgain.
It's really good training.

Josh (21:45):
And I think at the summit there it's just below 9,000 feet
.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Mike (21:48):
Yeah, but you don't.
So we stopped and talked toeasy stop and talk to some
people at Wendy point, theriders, and it's funny because
they don't go up to the very topright.
They go to a certain pointbecause otherwise I think it
dips down again and then youhave to climb again.

Yeah, yeah, once you get the Palisade
, you have a six more miles toyou get to, or no, I'm sorry.
Once you get the Palisade, youhave five miles until you get to
summer haven and then fromthere, if you want to make it to
the very top, you have anadditional four miles.

Josh (22:15):
And some of that's dirt right.

Nope, it's, it's all paved Two miles
till you get to the ski lift andthen um additional two miles,
just a little under two miles,till you get to the very top,
which is about 1500 feet ofclimbing from the ski lift up to
the very top For our listeners.

Josh (22:30):
If you didn't know this, you know we have a summer haven,
which is the southernmost skiresort in the United States,
here in Tucson.

Arizona.
So while it's, a.

Josh (22:38):
It was 107 today or whatever, 108 today we actually
have a ski resort here in Tucson.

Mike (22:43):
Yeah, yeah, and the chief of police was on.
We're going to publish that atsome point here soon, but he
mentioned what was the name ofthat ride.
We go around the whole mountainand then he does one where you
start an Oracle.

Josh (22:56):
You go up the backside of Mount lemon.

Yeah.

Josh (22:58):
You ride down Mount lemon and then around and back to
Oracle.

It's like a hundred and so he starts
in like by a Sandman will.

Josh (23:05):
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, so I think he's startingfrom his house.
Oh, yeah, he lives back there,but yeah yeah, yep, that's.

You can find that ride on Strava.
A lot of people have done it.
It's probably better to do iton a gravel bike, maybe because,
you're yeah.
Yeah, I think, I think you'relike half on road and then half
on some pretty gnarly likechoppy.
You know road, you know dirtroad.

Josh (23:29):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm braiding.
Keep going, brother.
We're just going to keepinterrupting you, man.
So you had that you had thetarmac SLS works 2016.
So our doing races did tourTucson and go from there.

I did a bunch of crits so I did a criteria.

Josh (23:44):
This is a mountain bike podcast, so I gotta explain it.

Okay, it's like a race where you do a bunch of
laps in a short.
It's a short circuit.

Josh (23:51):
So how?
So?
It's like a, it's like a loop.

It's a loop and you do a road like 10 laps.

Josh (23:55):
Yep, and how and how long is each loop, each, each lap?

It depends.
I've done ones where they'reunder a mile and I just there's
some that are six plus miles.

Josh (24:03):
Oh, wow.
So for those shorter ones,you're like basically at all
outspread the whole time, yeah.

Mike (24:08):
Yep, Do you have a preference as far as the crit or
whatever other rides?
Uh, sir, you mentioned another.
What was the name of that ride?

Time trial.

Mike (24:17):
No, no, we were using the French word yeah, oh Kermas,
yeah, kermas, oh yeah.
That's basically a crit.

Yeah, that's like a European, it
means festival.

So they, instead of a here, instead of having like
a party with fireworks, theyhave a bike race along with the
party.

Wow, so here a crit could be a
technical crits like one mile, acriteria or a circuit.
Is anything over that Right?

Yeah.

So anything over one mile would be
considered a circuit.
Okay, I believe, and then Imean I could be corrected.

Josh (24:45):
but if I just from yeah, don't worry, our listeners will
correct you.
Yeah, and just just just somelocals telling us, you know, and
, like I said, Brady's.

We're still super new to this sport.

Josh (24:53):
Yeah, you're figuring it out.

Yeah.
So, like, from my understanding, the crits that he's done have
only been like a mile or alittle under.
And then, like, the circuitsare, like you know, three miles,
like the Tucson is it theTucson bicycle classic or which
one was a?
Well, one of the road racesthat Brady did the big stage,
it's a stage race here in Tucson, Right, it is.

(25:16):
It's a circuit.
So you're you're going likethree and a half miles each lap,
but it's considered their crit,but it's really a circuit.

Josh (25:23):
Okay.

Yeah, okay, keep going.

Okay, so I did that and I did, I did, I did a
couple more, I did the, I didthe muscle man crit.
That's when I remember reallygood.
It's the same thing.
It's a crit.
It was small, it was like awell under a one mile lap, I
think.

Josh (25:39):
Is that on?
Like the muscle man course overthere, like the the?

Mike (25:43):
the yeah by the fairgrounds, by the fairgrounds.

Yeah.

Josh (25:45):
Yeah, and they, they, they ride like a go go carts on it.
That was super fun.

And then I did south mountain crit.
Same thing, it was a crit.

Josh (25:53):
It was very small laps, but it was a but this was on the
road, not on the road nothing,nothing on a mountain bike yet.

And then?

and you did some time trials in
there.

I did, I did a bunch of time trials I did.
I got a parlay TT bike and Idid a flap jacks time trial race
against time.
And then the ones in the stagerace is like the Tucson bicycle
classic time trial on the roadbike and I did the.

Josh (26:17):
How long is it is a time trial typically.

It does.
It depends.
I've done ones that are like 45minutes and then 25, 20, and
then I did one that was sevenminute or eight minutes and then
you say eight minutes, isn't it?

Josh (26:31):
miles, isn't a time trial, miles, and how quickly you can
do it.

Oh, yeah, yeah.
So I mean like it reallydepends.
So the nationals one was like10 miles with a bunch of
climbing, and then there's therace against times like 19 or
something, okay, and then Iforget the valley, the sun ones,
probably 14.
Okay, 13.

Mike (26:48):
So, brady, as you're, as you're starting to dive into the
road racing experience.
So how are you doing Like?
Are you ending up like I don'tknow there's podiums or really?

not for Tucson bicycle classic because I raised
cat three, so category three.
There's five categories,category one being the pro, to
like very high, like very fast,but not pro.
And then three is like stillamateur, but really fast racing
and is there age groups in there?

Josh (27:17):
Are you racing?

Yes, not categories in a normal like if like
there's there is age groups, butI raised the category side.

Josh (27:24):
So how are you at this?

point 15 or 14.

Okay, you get up by points, and so,
in order to gain points, youhave to have a mass start in a
road race, so so like a timetrial, even though he may be
super successful in a particulartime trial, he doesn't get any
points.
For that you have to have likea mass start and then finish at
a certain like top 10 orwhatever, to get points.

(27:50):
And then that's how you cat upto like from cat you know, five
to four, to three.

Mike (27:55):
And is this an organization?

Josh (27:58):
like a part of USA cycling yeah.

Mike (27:59):
USA cycling, okay, and you're just picking and choosing
strategically or what races toenter.

They have a calendar, okay, and so
those races that they support,you can get points for those
races.

Josh (28:10):
So you, a cat three racer today.

Yeah, I'm trying to get the cat two right now.
How close are you?

Josh (28:15):
Not close not close.
I was in Europe, so I couldn'tdo any races here, those, those
don't count, those races don't.

Those are UCI and USA doesn't recognize the UCI
races.
They might, but I I don't knowabout, I have.
No, I'm actually had no idea, Ihaven't even checked you that
might be something that's worthlooking into.

Yeah.

Josh (28:33):
You think that you know I'm racing with people in Europe
?
Maybe you should count those.

Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I mean it's just you know, with when we went to Europe.
Then we came back and schoolstarted like a week later and
you know, he I think he had acouple weeks off from riding and
so now he's technically in hislike off season right now.
So we're kind of just.
You know, it's like a mentaland physical break, and now
we're just kind of getting backinto the swing of things.

Mike (28:58):
Alright, so where does Europe place it?
Are you now like where we cantalk about the Europe, or are
you still preparing for that?

Okay, so we got to go through nationals first.
Alright, gotcha and then we, sowe got, we did that, and then
we, we just trained a bunch andwe raced a lot like Valley, the
Sun and to the healer toward thehealer was good on, we went to
New Mexico.

Josh (29:19):
Yeah, I heard that's a great race.
What was that like?
Talk us through that it was.

It was very hilly.
Some of the downhills are supersketchy.

Josh (29:26):
Where is it at?
It's in.

New Mexico, silver City, yeah, silver.

Josh (29:30):
City.

Silver .

Josh (29:30):
City, and when you say it's a sketchy, but it's on the
road I'm a mountain biker Ican't understand.

So what does that mean?
Like you're going 40 withhairpin.

Josh (29:37):
Oh well, that's 40 on.
And what size tires do you run?

28 28.

Mike (29:43):
And Josh is probably wondering the same question I am
now.
Do you ever consider like adropper, like what's his name?

I don't, I saw that , though I don't, I don't really
I haven't thought about it.
I might, but it's just heavier,I think unless you get like a
carbon one or something.

Josh (29:59):
I don't think that I'm not aware of a carbon dropper yet.

And yeah, I don't know.
Maybe there's one out there,but I don't know of it and I
know a lot of the stuff that'sout there.

Josh (30:06):
I haven't seen one yet.

Mike (30:07):
So you think the weight you know like you trade off
right yeah, would not be as toomuch versus the benefit of
dropping it?

Yeah, in my opinion I wouldn't.

Josh (30:15):
Okay, brady, how much is your bike weight today?

I think it, just, I think it weighs just under 18
or seven, six, seven 18.

Josh (30:23):
What are the rules Like?
What do you know?

Like, uh, the rules of how light it can be.
Yeah, I think it's.
I think the rule is probablyjust around 10 or 12.

Josh (30:31):
Really there's some really light.
That's not.
I think it might be higher thanthat.

Might be higher than that, but I think uh, in
the UCI it might be like 12, 10.

Josh (30:39):
I've heard stories of like some of the Twitter France guys
having to put like weightsinside their bike because the
bike was so light all of itmight be, it was like too light
for the whatever.

whatever the rules were Well we'll.

Josh (30:48):
uh, mike's gonna look, mike's gonna look it up right
now, and if you're looking thatup, brother, you probably gotta
look up both the USA rules andthe UCI rules, because it's be
too different USA.

Oh yeah, usa cycling, usa cycling yeah.

Josh (30:59):
USAC.
Yup, there's gotta be a deadjoke in that USAC somewhere.
So I'm speaking of speaking, ofspeaking of uh, lemon.

Mike (31:07):
Um, they actually one of the stores.
I took a picture of it and saidit easy and um, it's a, it's a
bag of like, um, whatever mixednuts, and it's it says nuts.

So I said it easy and he said.

Mike (31:20):
He said please tell me, you bought that.
You didn't buy it.
No, I did not, but I took apicture of it.
You had a bike shop on Mount.

Josh (31:26):
Lemmon.
Now Do you know what?
No, no, there's a bike shop atthe top of Mount Lemmon.
No, I did not know that he,yeah, I just that's.
I think it was at the who wasit the chief that just told?

Mike (31:34):
us that.
Yeah, yeah, he showed us apicture.
Yeah, that's right, that'sright.

I tend not to spend too much.
I like after you climb, I it's,I'm trying to go back down
right, cause there's like, yeah,the first time climbing it, you
get to the Palisades and you,you get, you know you have five
more miles to the top and youyou start descending into
Summerhaven and you're like what?

Josh (31:53):
Why am I descending?
Yeah, and then you keep going.

You're like what's going on?
Why am I?
This cannot be good.
I just climbed.
I don't want to descend andthen climb up, but you've got
like a three mile climb out.

Mike (32:04):
Yeah.

So yeah, you know what I mean.
Usually I'm not, you're nothanging around too long after
Nope.

Josh (32:09):
Hey um have you ridden Mount Graham?

Not yet.
I want to do the the race upthere.
The Mount Graham hill climbyeah.

Josh (32:17):
I've, you know.
So I've ridden Mount Grahamtongue because we've got a cabin
down there.
But um, I've been told it's theclosest thing to like the Tour
de France riding that you canget in these in the.
States, because it's likethat's exciting.
Complete switchback crazy.

It's steep.

Josh (32:30):
It's super steep, yeah, it's a lot of fun.

I gotta try it.

Josh (32:33):
Yeah, that's, that sounds super fun, you should go down
and hit hit up Mount Grahamsometime.
It's a and there's no trafficat all.
There's very little traffic, isit's?
It's kind of like out in aremote area.
So it's not like the same thingyou get with mountain lemon,
where there's cars constantlycoming every single second I
mean you might see a car likeevery 20 minutes or something.
30 minutes, it's pretty crazy.

Mike (32:52):
Okay, so bike weight.
I mean there's there's paidpages on this whole topic here,
but it says for all road.
This is for USA, USA cycling,cycle, cycle, cross, track
events.
There's a minimum weightrequirement of 6.8 kilograms,
14.99 pounds.
Ultra light road bikes and manytrack bikes may weigh less than

(33:13):
the minimum weight they're.
These are not allowed withoutadding additional weight to the
bicycle to achieve the minimumweight.
Water bottles, tool bags, pumpssuch items that can simply be
removed from the bike are notcounted in the minimum weight.

Josh (33:27):
So 14.99 pounds, is that what you said?
Yeah, yeah, right, let's, let'stry a little experiment here.
Hey Bing, can you tell me whatis the UCI minimum weight
requirement for cycling inEurope?

Mike (33:42):
I've never used Bing.

Josh (33:48):
She should tell me.

Mike (33:54):
Oh, it's searching for it.

Josh (33:56):
Yeah, she's going to read it.

The Union Cyclist Internationale UCI, is
the global governing body forcycling and has set a minimum
weight requirement for bicyclesused in elite road cycling races
.
According to the UCI, theminimum weight requirement for a
bicycle is 6.8 kilograms 15pounds.

Josh (34:15):
So it sounds like it's pretty similar.
It's composed in the year 2000s.

Do you want to?
No, do you want to?

Josh (34:20):
talk.

If you're entering an elite road.

Josh (34:22):
No problem, Stop talking Bing If you didn't know this.
The Bing app is amazing andit's got chatGPT integrated into
it.

Mike (34:29):
It is like the world's best personal assistant.

Josh (34:32):
It's awesome.
You just talk to it down on theBing app.
I'm not getting paid byMicrosoft.
You learn it here in the MCP.
Yeah, learn it here in the MCP.
By the way, we have alreadystarted integrating artificial
intelligence into the MountainCod podcast.
Maybe our listeners can guesswhere it is.
I'd be interested to see whocan?

guess where we've utilized artificial intelligence
, our official intelligence.

Josh (34:55):
So here's a question.
People call it AI.
We're going to put out a vote.
Is Brady actually a real human?
I don't know yet, but he'sshaking his head.
No, gwen, is he real.
No, she says no too.
What does that say, gwen?
You got a fake boyfriend.
I don't know.
All right, keep going brother.

Where are you at?

I think it's at Nationals.

Josh (35:21):
We did the time trial, which is so can anybody go to
Nationals first of all, or doyou get invited?
You have to be Cat 3.
You have to be Cat 3.

Mike (35:28):
And where is it it changes every year, but it's in
Virginia.
Wow, so you guys are travelingat this point Roanoke.

Roanoke, and then we did the time trial first.
So it's three stages.
It's a time trial, a road raceand a crit.

Josh (35:43):
How long was the road race ?

I think it was.
What was it?
60 miles or something, 50 miles?

Josh (35:49):
Okay.

Or maybe it was 40 something, I don't know.
But the time trial I did good,Did 360 for 24 minutes.
I was one of the best effortsI've ever done.

Josh (35:58):
I was really proud of that 360 watts.

Yeah, 20, 24 minutes or something like that.
And then the next day we hadthe road race and I broke away
with my friend Enzo Hinkepe.

Josh (36:11):
Yeah, it's George Hinkepe's son.

And then we the second lap, and then we stayed
away the whole race Just byyourselves, you and him.
Yeah and no.
We joined with the third personand then he dropped off in the
last lap.

Josh (36:26):
So did you let Enzo do all the work, or did you just work?

No, I definitely, I did some work.

Josh (36:33):
So how did that work out?

Ended up getting second.
He got first.
We had an eight minute lead onthe rest of the field Wow.
And two minutes on third, orsomething.

Josh (36:42):
And what was the age groups that were in this
category?

15, 16.
So they were all like 16.

Josh (36:47):
Me and.

Enzo were 14.

Josh (36:49):
Okay.

At the time, man Just turned 15.
That's pretty awesome, yeah, andthen we had a rest day, so then
we just did like a trainingride up in the mountains in
Virginia.
And then the third, third day,third stage.
Actually we did a criterium, soI think it was 16 laps or
something like that, around thisshort little loop with a really

(37:10):
punchy hill and lots ofdownhills and flats Right, super
windy.
It wasn't my best day, ended upgetting 20 second, but that's
better than nothing after allthose the other hard efforts,
those those two days.
So I'm proud of it.

Josh (37:23):
So that 22nd?
Was that all your fault?

Yeah, yeah.

Josh (37:27):
You're just going to take accountability for it.

Positioning and just not, yeah, okay.

Mike (37:32):
So so, brady, when you are at these different races, it
sounds like a lot.
We're in the West, I guess theUnited States right, virginia
obviously is East there, but areyou racing against some of the
same people?

Josh (37:45):
Or yeah, and so you kind of know each other.
Had you had you, had you racedEnzo before.

No, that's my first time, but I've actually no, I
haven't I.
We were at the same race.
So we we seen each other, butwe didn't race in the same
category.

Mike (37:58):
Okay.
So what's that community like?
When you guys show up race day,you guys all like you know
pretty game face you guys kindof hanging out laughing.

Yeah, just like drinking like water to stay
hydrated.

Josh (38:12):
He said drink it.
And I was like okay, okay, Iguess it's Europe, maybe you see
drinking a carbon rocket andscratch and you know.

Sarah Hogue (Brady's m (38:24):
Elementy element.

And then, uh yeah, just hanging around eating hot
dogs, eating stuff that's badfor you.

Josh (38:30):
Yeah, cause you're 15.
What's the community?

Mike (38:34):
like the biking community that you with at that race level
is it welcoming, is it?

it's competitive, but it's nice.
Like a lot of people well, noteverybody, but a lot of people
you meet are be really friendly.

Josh (38:45):
What's the vibe in the pet ?
Like I understand, like afterthe race, before the race,
everyone's friendly, but itwhat's the vibe in the pellet?

chill at the start and aggressive in the middle and
like depends on what happens inthe middle at the end.

Josh (38:55):
So it's either aggressive or chill and when aggressive
like what do you mean by that?

Lots of pushing.

Josh (39:00):
Oh really.
Like like pushing the pace orlike pushing each other.

Both.

Josh (39:04):
Really.

So you're bumping and grinding in there all the
time, wow.

Mike (39:08):
So I didn't know that.
I didn't either.
I think of football and hockey.

Yeah, it's like that, it's physical.

Mike (39:13):
Yeah, no, kidding, wow.
And so, from a strategicstandpoint, like, are you, like,
do you have like a?
Does your coach help you withstrategy?

in there.

Mike (39:21):
Yeah, you just kind of come up with okay.

Yeah, he'll tell me all about it.
He'll tell me what, like when Ineed to do something or we'll.
We'll go through and look whowe need to follow and and we'll
write it down on the top tubeand see which miles I need to
attack at her.

Mike (39:33):
I need to get a feed, you said you write it down on your
top tube.

Yeah, the mileage.
So if there's a feed zone at 20miles in, then I write it down,
and there's a hill at 26 milesin, then I write that down there
.

Josh (39:43):
You've got a garment or whatever that's telling you the
miles, so you know exactly whereyou're at.

And he uses like a little painter's
tape and he just, you know,takes a Sharpie and we just is
that a.

Mike (39:51):
Thing.

Yeah.
That's what we do.

And then like he'll.

He'll like.
He'll know which play.
You know which writer.
He won't.
You know, needs to get in frontof her.

Mike (40:00):
So it's like football, like watching tape, and so your
coach knows who's in the race,and then you build your strategy
on that.

Yeah, yeah.
And in a stage race, you knowit's all based on points.
So, like the first, you know,even if you don't come in first,
second or third at the stagerace, you may have done well
enough to get X amount of pointsand maybe the next day you just
kill it in the time trial.
So then the third race.
You're like okay, I have enoughpoints to beat this.
You know this rider, so I needto make sure that I need to get

(40:28):
in front of this rider.
So you write down his number.

Josh (40:30):
So you're tracking points.

So yeah you can tell where
everybody is just based on afterday one.

Josh (40:35):
Where did you end up finishing in nationals for all
three events?

There's no overall.

Josh (40:39):
There's no overall.

It's just.
It's one you can do.
You can show up and just do theroad race.
You show up and just do thetime trial.
So it's not over, okay.

Sarah Hogue (Brady's mo (40:45):
There's no GC, but usually in a stage
general classification Okay.

Josh (40:51):
That's like the like if you do, if you do a multi-day
race.

It's like exactly your time at it up.

Josh (40:55):
Yeah, so what's it?
My oh, jean, they for the.

I do, yeah, I don't even know that might be right
how to say it.

Yeah it might be, Well done yeah.

Josh (41:05):
And then we get uh someone's going to correct me
for sure, but let's just go withit Like we don't know any
better.

Yeah.

Josh (41:12):
Keep going.

Then I went home for a week and I, uh, I kind of
trained, just kept training,keep my fitness up, and I flew.
So okay, so you flew, but flewback home, yeah, you flew back
home.
And I uh just trained for aweek and then, uh, just getting
ready to go to Europe, justplanning it out, seeing what
race I'm going to do, who'sgoing to be there?

Josh (41:34):
So what does that mean?
Going to Europe like how didyou end up?

So basically I did good at Valley.
The sun and uh USA cyclingnoticed me and they wanted to
see my power numbers and stuff.
So I got invited to theKermesse camp in uh Europe, in
in the Cittered Netherlands, andI got to uh fly to Belgium and
I got to stay in a stard for uhtwo weeks and just train and

(41:59):
race.
I raced five times.

Right , um, and then a local race.

I did yeah Local race, so six times.
And then I did a lactatethreshold test, like I told you
right.
Um, that was one of the bestexperiences ever, so I'm really
glad I did it.

Mike (42:14):
So you're 15 now.
Now I'm 15.
Yep, okay.
And you spent how long?
In Europe?
Two weeks.
So how was that experience Likeoverall?
Compared to riding the UnitedStates, it was really like
riding there.

It was amazing.
The roads are way better, uh,just like integrated for
cyclists, because everybody kindof bikes there.
So instead of being a bike lane, it's like a whole path right
on the side of the road there.
Yeah, and everybody's reallyrespectful and stuff, so I'm
really glad.

Josh (42:41):
Like the cars, like the vehicular traffic, yeah.

And the people that are walking, instead of like
being in the way on purpose orkind of, they just they know how
to get out of the way.

Mike (42:50):
Did you go over by yourself or was your mom?
Oh?

yeah, there was.
There was five other teammatesthere and there's six girls and
six guys and I.
There's two houses and westayed in a guy's house.
Yeah, there's a guy in thegirls house.

Mike (43:04):
Yeah, Very cool.
Um and uh, I forgot where I wasgoing to go with it.
So every day you guys had, Ihad a ride and then you had five
races.

Josh (43:12):
Yeah, Walk us through the two weeks Like how did they like
what, what?
What was the schedule like?

So I got there.
Uh, it was like you wake up,you can do a morning walk,
meditate, you eat.

Josh (43:21):
Do you meditate, brady?

I don't personally.
They uh, we just kind of likelearned it there.
It's pretty nice, I liked it.

Josh (43:28):
Um, so you're doing it now .
Is it, is it, is it?

it's not yet.
I'm just getting back intoriding, so I might start doing
it and might not.
I'm not too sure.

Josh (43:36):
I might, if I have time.
If I have time, I'm going to doit.
Even if you just do it for 10minutes, you should.

And then, um, we, we rode at like 10 and then we
did, uh, we just kind ofstretched, just hang out the
rest of the day, eight.
And then when we had, uh, we'dgo to like towns and cities.
So we visit.
We visited Maastricht, which isa town in the Netherlands.
We took a train there.
We got to go into a statured,the actual city, and just like

(44:03):
ride our townie bikes around.
It was super fun.
So in our free time we'd go tolike a pump track on townie
bikes and tear it up.

Mike (44:10):
Yeah, nice, what was your favorite location?

in Europe?
Yeah, Probably.
Uh, sit hard, but probably thefavorite race was the race I got
second at with my teammate.
We crossed the finish linetogether.

Josh (44:26):
So yeah, tell us, like tell us about the different
races, right, All right.

So the first race that was a hectic and getting
used to the junior gears andyou're spending like a hundred
cadence the whole time.

Josh (44:34):
What does that mean?

RPMs rotates per minute.

Josh (44:36):
So so.
So in the USA, cycling and UCIhas different rules for for
juniors.
So explain like what do you do?
How do you do to your bike?

I had to get a new cassette.
That's limited, so you're, youdon't have as hard of gears, you
can't spend as uh, you have tospin faster, basically.

Oh right.

You have no option.
That's kind of just what'slegal there.

Josh (44:55):
Um right.

So that's what I do is limit my gears.
Gear ratio.

Josh (44:58):
So did your RPM increase at that point though.

Yeah, I was averaging like 90, 97.

Mike (45:03):
97.
Yeah, that's been it.

So my RPM standing up was 170.
What that's fairly boring Wasthe house fast, what that must
take.

Mike (45:13):
I can't even something to get you.

Josh (45:14):
I can't even comprehend moving your feet that fast.
170.

Mike (45:19):
Wow, standing up standing up hurt, yeah, wow I.

Josh (45:24):
Okay, it's like an energizer bunny.
Next time he pedals that fast,kid you take a picture or video.
That's why I could see it.

I can't even comprehend.
We took those junior year right.

Josh (45:39):
Yeah, like I'm on the peloton and she's like go to 120
, and I'm like, oh my god, 50rpm faster than that good.

Lord, yeah, it was, it was.
So that was a local race I didthat at.

Josh (45:53):
I was racing against adults who didn't have junior
gear, so so you had to likecrunch it if you want to keep up
with them.

Yeah, we're going 60 k's an hour and I got to do
130 rpm just to stay in thegroup, but then there's brakes
going, so then you have to do150 every single time you want
to bridge, bridge gap, so butthat was.
That was like three races in,so we did the first race and it
was just getting used to it.
I think the Belgian nationalchamp or something was there.
The Belgian Kermas champ wasthere.

(46:19):
Okay he won, like the state orthe country Kermas, or something
like that.
This is a crit right, kermas.
Yeah, same thing it's likemeans festival, I think.
So he's really fast, he.
I think he got second orsomething in his age.
Yeah, he's 16, 16.
So we did that and then, just,I think I finished mid-pack,

(46:39):
like 20 second or something, andthen then the next day was Just
training again.
I think a couple days later,just the same thing, we did
another race, I forget which,which order it went in.
I think it was the cobble climbone, right.

Yeah, that one was where you guys all
race.
Yeah, okay, so, oh, what?

Josh (46:59):
was that it was a race.

It wasn't like all cobblestone.
There was one hill that was acobble hill.
But we like how long was thecobble hill?

Josh (47:07):
Do you know what he's talking about?

Mike (47:08):
Yeah, like, like, like couple hundred meter stone roads
like the old European.
Yeah, couple hundred meters,not.

Not, it wasn't like a mile or anything, it was just
a short stretch of road.

Josh (47:17):
But it still bucks the crap out of you.
Yeah, I didn't have a bike.
That was like set up for cobble.
Yeah, that was like riding likea straight road bike.

Yeah, and then we broke.
I broke away with a teammatefor a lap or like almost two
laps or something, or a lap thatdidn't stick because it was so
early on the race the breakawaydidn't stick.

Josh (47:34):
Yeah, I was.
Peloton caught you guys.

Yeah, I had been another break before that too,
so I was gassed.
I didn't have anything left,and then I think my teammate did
really good that race.
I didn't.
And then we did another raceLonger, it was, I think, a five
mile loop, and we did how many?
I think it was 40, 40 miles, so.

Yeah, eight, nine base, base.

So we did that.
We got a breakaway with myteammate, david, and then we we
had two other Belgian guys.
One is the Estonia nationalchamp, or no one was an Estonian
guy, I think.
The other one's a Belgian guy.
So the Estonia national champand a Belgian guy, right, and we
rode together for I think, halfthe race.
We're out there, more littleover half.

(48:21):
We were we're out for a long,so long, and their gap was like
a minute plus or something likethat right two minutes, almost a
minute and a half, so we stuck.
We stuck the gap or break, andthen so what does that mean?

Josh (48:33):
You stuck through.

Suck the break we stuck, stayed away, you stayed
away, basically.

Mike (48:37):
So when you're in that pack, of what three or four
riders total?
Yeah and these are, these areCountry champions, yeah, of
their respective country.
Are you guys taking turns?
Yeah, it's looting, justrotating it just kind of happens
naturally.
Yeah Well, if they want to work.

If they want to work with you, they'll rotate.

Josh (48:54):
Okay, but sometimes really stubborn, that doesn't happen
and they just like slide intheir back wheel.

Yeah, that's that's when it doesn't work.
So they decided to all worktogether.

Josh (49:04):
I saw they speak English.

Yeah okay not not like Perfectly, but but that's
the.

Josh (49:09):
is that the language in the Peloton over there is
English?

It's a lot of hey stealing hey.

Josh (49:17):
What does that mean?

so screaming you, hey, and that's it like that's
universal, just move out of theway, okay.
So I got fourth at that raceand then we did the training
race.
I got like top 10 or something.
That was really I'm proud about, proud of that, spinning fast
the whole entire time thing.
My average cadence was almost100.
Wow, 99 or something.

(49:38):
And then we did this.
This last race Was super hot.
It was like a hundred.
Oh well, felt like a hundredwas it was said 92, but the
humanity was like 65.
I felt like I was getting heatshow so hot I had goosebumps
goosebumps from heat.

Josh (49:57):
I've had it from cold.
I've never had it from heat.
You ready to be sparse fromheat?

Mike (50:00):
No, because I don't train that hard.
I think that's when your bodystarts to low on sugar.
Yeah, it's not.
It's not doing, that's whatgoosebumps mean.
That's what I was told.
Yeah, so.

Josh (50:11):
No, I should guys eat like a Snickers or whatever, and
you're good, I'm like that somechance candy?

I don't know, I didn't, I didn't even.
I think I had some scratchjuice that helps.
Yeah and then so we Me and myteammate decided to attack on
the big hill.

Josh (50:25):
That, that course now, was that pre-did you have that
pre-worked out?
Did you decide to do that?

It was a tattoo, yeah the lap before that he was
like, alright, I'm gonna tackright here, get on my wheel.
So then we did that and it wasso hard, it was like 450 for the
first two minutes in his draft.

Josh (50:39):
So then I had 450 drafts.
What was he at?

Oh, probably the same because he's lighter, but
we were going up the hill.
Okay, I was fatter.

Josh (50:46):
Yeah but he was probably because, when I look at you had,
that is what I think Jesus.

Yeah okay.
Yeah, and then we stuck it.
I was, I was super dead.
I didn't even want to do itbecause I felt like I was gonna
pass out and he's like no, it'salright, we only got like six
more laps.

Josh (51:04):
So so you guys stuck it.

Yeah, we stuck it.
Okay that sucks, but we did itwouldn't suck, it was just hurt.

Josh (51:09):
Yeah, just a pain locker.

Yeah, we crossed the line at the same time.

Josh (51:13):
Oh, that's when you second Yep.
Okay, were you trying to bethem?

No.

Mike (51:18):
So how does it work?

like.

Mike (51:21):
You guys can't like.
You just take second place andthat's just.

Josh (51:31):
So yeah, so he gets it because he'd be putting a little
bit more work on the break.
Way more, way more.

Mike (51:36):
It's just like a courtesy like courtesy.
Hey, you put the work in YepNumber one is you don't think
they could last me like?

Coming around the corner and I'm like
are they gonna go for it?

Josh (51:54):
Are they and?

then, you could tell their pace was
like right there just crazy.
That's.
It was great to see.
It was really goodSportsmanship on both of them.
That's awesome yeah and youcould tell each lap and they
were going around.
It was like it's super intenseand the path you know the
Peloton was trying to catch them.
Well, it was like 30 secondsbehind them a minute, behind
them two minutes.

Josh (52:13):
Oh, so it was like you guys.

So they weren't just like holding
their pace, like they wereincreasing with.
We were slowing down, though,and then towards the end they
had already got such a big leadthat you know I think they're
like, just like we're drinkingCoca-Cola and the last lap with
the very last lap.

They could see us, apparently, but we're just going
yeah, yeah, it's nothing youcould do, and we were like 500
feet away from the finish line.

Mike (52:37):
So well, congratulations.
So that was the last lap.
I mean that last race.

That was the second last race?

Yeah, we did.
What was the remind me?
Then the, the last, the lastrace, the training race, right
the last race was.

It was like Look like it was about
to storm.
It was crazy.
Oh yeah, that race and I meanthe kids, the USA team, they
like pretty much held the front,the entire Kermis, and then I,
you know pretty, can say abetter just from the parental
view.
You know, you see him comingaround, you see each, each USA

(53:15):
kid I mean they had a turnpulling, taking a lap and then,
just out of nowhere, like thesprinters, just engulfed the
finish line and just took overbecause there was no brakes
right.
There was no brakes, but it isimpressive to watch sprinters
because they'll sit in right.
They sit in there.
They're incredible, incredibleriders, right, it's just

(53:37):
patience.
You're not a sprinter.

Josh (53:40):
You basically have to go do in a breakaway, otherwise
you're gonna get.

You have to train yourself to be a
sprinter?

Josh (53:46):
right you have, and I don't know what your body type
to right and Brady can.

Brady can speak.

Josh (53:50):
Yeah, so, so what are you?
Well, what would you say on?

a time trial list.

Josh (53:54):
Okay.

I got a muscular endurance so like yeah, I can do
the power, for I have a motorinstead of like a.
Like a short little Okay soyou're not a sprinter.
I'm like I'd say all around.
I'm like decent at everythingbut my strong suits time trials
strong suits, running timetrials.

Josh (54:14):
How do you do in the hill climbs?

Mike (54:16):
Pretty good actually, Okay yeah can you move from a time
trial what do you call yourselfa time trialist?
Yeah, to a sprinter, or do youkind of have to stay in that
lane, depending on your body'stype or make makeup.

You don't have to stay in any lane, I think.
But you just what better suitsyou?
Like, fabio Yacupson's huge, sohe's not gonna be a climber,
but he could be a sprinter right.
So he's, he's just that muchbigger.
You knew that much more power.
Okay, so it it.
Your body type plays a reallybig role, but I think you can.
You can do Like all around.
You can be a climber if youwant to.

(54:48):
You just gotta slim down.

Mike (54:51):
So climbing slim down, the sprinters are just like built
like a muscular, yeah, okay andthen a time trial.

You want to be tall ?
I think that's.
That's the best.

Josh (55:02):
Well, your femur is the lever, yeah, so the longer your
femur is, the better.
So, you could just have, likereally long legs but a really
short body, and you'd be fine,oh, yeah, yeah.

Mike (55:13):
And what that is is that's filling a position on the team
like those well yeah, it's likethis guy has a role, so right
what's the guy?

They're just like four stages back to back in
torfrence.

Josh (55:25):
You know, say yeah, I don't know.

But he's a sprinter because he's way bigger.
But then Jonas finger guards GC.
And then there's Sepcoos is theclimber.

Mike (55:34):
I'm sorry.
What was the GC?

Yeah, Jonas Vingigo .

Mike (55:37):
What does GC stand for?

General classification.

Mike (55:40):
He won the overall.

Josh (55:40):
Yeah, he won Okay yeah, the GC is like the the person
that's the GC that day thatwears the L jersey or Jean-Dé
okay.
That.
That's the guy that's got likethe least amount of time for the
whole race.

Oh, it kind of adds up day to day today.
Yeah, okay, got you, thank you.
Yeah, he's the the one thatwins usually the overall so did
you bring your bike.

Josh (56:01):
What bike did you bring over there with you?

the s works, the one I got a while ago back in
the 20 2016, you love that bike,hey love it.
Yeah, it was only like that waslegal because I had you
couldn't put junior's on a SRAMaxis.

Mike (56:14):
So interesting, so then you, okay, so then your your
Europe trip.
Did we get through thehighlights of it.

Yeah, that was well just culturally like.

Josh (56:22):
What were your impressions like people, food.

I think the girls hot.

Josh (56:31):
I'm getting the evil eye over there, I'm just kidding the
food was amazing.

The food was amazing and the people are super
nice.

What's the chef at their house?
So like every pretty, can tellyou a little bit.

Yeah, he was he came every night and cooked
dinner for us like what did hecook?

Josh (56:47):
was it like?
Was it like really?

Depended, like one night I was chicken wings and
the next night it was like pastaand rice mixed with beef and
Seasoning and stuff like that.

Josh (56:56):
So I mean it was like food you're accustomed to eating.

Did they cook any traditional?

Josh (57:01):
That's not trying to get you like you.
I don't even know what, I justkind of eat it, okay.

I mean the vibe over there is is a
lot slower than here.
I mean they just everybodyrides bikes, everybody is Just
moves Slower like there's norush, it's.
It's lighter earlier, it stayslighter, darker because it's
farther up in the yeah, likewhat is it like?
You're farther closer to thecloser to the well.

(57:29):
You're farther away from theequator you're farther away from
the equator so you have moretime during the day, so you're
up earlier, right?
So you don't feel that likerush, that you have to like get
all this stuff done because youhave more time so much time.
So it feels like people are upand out still at 10 o'clock
riding their bikes.
You know, you see a lot ofpeople on ton bikes, a lot of
people like every single agegroup like just riding their

(57:50):
bike to get places.
Yeah, training or all the abovefrom get to point a to point B
commuting.
Yeah, they one ride.
I, I, my Brady, was trainingand racing, I just took
advantage of just riding.
But one one little town inGermany it was like early in the
morning.
You see all these kids, notwith their parents, you just
they're all kind of flooding thestreets with their bikes and

(58:11):
their little baskets, with theirbackpack and they're all going
to school.
And you know, riding throughthe town, I mean all age groups,
little little kids just on,these little tiny Looks like
little town bikes right, it'scruising, yeah, just cruising,
messing around just going toschool.
How?

Josh (58:26):
many how many countries you guys go through in your
three, three, three, four.
Belgium, germany andNetherlands.

Yep, that's it.
I think that's.
Yep, that's three.

Yeah, yeah, there was a really cool
ride out there where you couldride to one point and be in all
three countries at the same time.

Josh (58:42):
Oh, wow, yeah, like a three-points type thing.

Yeah, put stand like one hand in one
country.

Josh (58:47):
One hand, yeah, you just stood there and you.

They had all three flags of the
country.
You knew you're standing in allthree countries, the
intersection of the yeah, it wasit was a fun ride.
I think it was.
I can't remember the mileage,maybe 60, 60 and with like, only
about 3500 feet of climbing butit was.

Yeah, and that was that was the Europe trip.
Really that was the highlightsraces.
The culture was amazing.
I think the biking was supernice there, everybody's friendly
, mostly so.
Like you're hooked, I'm hookedon the sport, yeah.

Josh (59:21):
I mean you're hooked on Europe, though.
Oh yeah.

Mike (59:23):
I'm riding in Europe.
It's a good experience.
You look to go back againsomeday, definitely.
Okay, very excited, yeah, righton.

Josh (59:30):
So this is an end.
Sorry, josh, go go for it.

Mike (59:32):
Is an annual type thing now or just kind of see where it
goes.

Yeah, they will.
They do it every year.
But it's just, you gotta getinvited.
Yeah, you gotta invite, Iinvite.

Mike (59:41):
Yeah, okay, all right, so you come back.
So what's what's the horizonlike?
What's what's next for?

Josh (59:48):
you exactly was gonna.
I was like we don't do any, anyspecifics, anything you can't
talk about, but like what's thefuture for Shady Brady?

for it, I think the the goal is just get, get
really fast, kind of.

Josh (59:58):
Faster than you are.
So you're gonna get a.
You're gonna do like 200 rpm.

Brady Hogue (01:00:05):
Yeah.
So right now I'm doing weights,I'm trying to like round out my
skill set.

Josh (01:00:09):
Okay, when you do weights, Like, what are you doing?
What?

like lunges, squats , wall sits.
Okay, so all the standardweight, high reps, muscular
endurance low rate, low weight,high rep, muscular endurance
yeah so nothing like nothingsuper heavy or anything, and
then, because you don't want tobuild muscle, you want to be
light.
But the future for me I thinkit's just next couple years.

(01:00:32):
Make it to Europe and See whatrace race a ton.
Maybe I start making some money.
We'll see what happens right on.
So I'm pretty excited to seewhat what's gonna come in the
next couple years or months.

Mike (01:00:46):
What year, how old is a person when they kind of peak as
a bicycle?

Probably 2021, 22.
Yeah you're really young.

Josh (01:00:55):
Oh, I think it's older than that, brady.

No, it cuz.
Tadda Pigachar won the like thetour and like 20.
He was like 21 or 22 orsomething.
And then there's Josh Tarling.
He's like 19 or 20 or something.
He's crazy.
So it's right around.
There is when they startgetting really fast get really
fast.

Josh (01:01:12):
Yeah, you can.
How was Lance?

when he won 20s, I think was he 27, probably yeah,
I was thinking made to later 20s.

Bing - Chat GPT (01:01:21):
Yeah, at least yeah, yeah, huh.

Mike (01:01:23):
Okay, so there's a window there.

Sarah Hogue (Brady's mom) (01:01:24):
Yeah, I definitely think there's a
window to capitalize on youryeah, you know your youth you
know Well, dude, we're likesuper excited to watch you do
your thing.

Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, it's.
I'm excited to watch myself andit's been fast.

Mike (01:01:39):
I mean really an aggressive how you, how you
attacked like and just to attackthe sport and got this love.
This love our fitness isamazing.

Josh (01:01:48):
Yeah, at your age to have this discipline.
Both you guys right to have thediscipline that you guys have,
for it to operate at the levelsthat you guys are operating, and
it's it's.
It's pretty amazing to see andI'm in awe of what you guys are
doing.

Thank you.
Yeah, I was like eight monthsShots, yeah.

I think you have to just whatever
you do, no matter if it'scycling or Whatever, mountain
biking or gravel or cycle crossor really anything across the
board of sport if you put yourwhole heart into it, you're
gonna have a good outcomes.
And I think that's where themost I've seen the kids where
they're not really being pushedby their parents or by a coach

(01:02:24):
or by Friends.
They're, just they're mentallyand you know their, their heart
is just in the place, in theright place, and they take that
and it translates into whateverthey're doing.

Josh (01:02:36):
Yeah, and then, like I got , to give a shout out to mom and
dad.
Oh, like you know, like I meaneverything, just just sacrifice,
enabling the money, the time,the Constant driving and just
putting everything else on holdto like focus on you, I mean
that's a huge.
That's a huge sacrifice.

Bing - Chat GPT (01:02:52):
So yeah, Sarah and Jason's not here he's.

Josh (01:02:56):
He's flying in the sky somewhere.
Yeah so kudos to you, to yourdad and your mom, for everything
they've done for you man.

Thank you, mom, that's amazing.

Mike (01:03:04):
And proud parents as well, to watch the progression.
Yeah, right.

Yeah, it's been really exciting to
watch.
You know, and I just you know,I couldn't be more proud and
excited to see where, you know,this takes them and as long as
he is happy and doing what heloves and I think as a parent,
I'm happy so, whether it becycling, or whether he changes
past one day and takes acompletely different route, you
know, I always say like it'sreally good, have plan B and

(01:03:29):
that, have plan a and then havea backup plan and then a back,
you know, a third back plan justin case, because you just never
know right.
So, just keep focus.

Josh (01:03:37):
I just want to say kudos to Gwen as well, to have a
partner that's supportive, and Iknow that you know it's hard to
find time to be together whenyou guys are all training so
hard.
I think it's cool that you guyshave a similar passion and I
think it's awesome that you guysfound each other.
And Kudos for thanks forsupporting my nephew man.
That's that's awesome.

Yeah, she's a cool chick.
Yeah, yeah.
I've heard lots about you going.

Josh (01:03:57):
I heard you're super cool chick.
You got any final last thoughtsfor us, brother?

I'd say just keep riding your bike keep riding
your bike never stop movingnever stop moving, yeah.

I like it, keep pedaling keep
pedaling.

Josh (01:04:10):
Well, brother, thanks for coming to spend some time or say
Sarah, thanks Go ahead.
Thanks for letting us borrowthem for an hour, and good luck,
brady, we'll be watching you,man.
We'll be watching you.

Mike (01:04:24):
Can you give us a?
Can you dig it?
Can you dig it?
Can you dig it?

Can you dig it.

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