058 - Part 1 of 2 - Get to know an O.G. BMX Pro. (Dusty Horton) - Mountain Cog

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Dusty Horton (00:06):
So what is a grateful bicycle?
A grateful bicycle, yeah.
What is a grateful bicycle?
Say to its rims.

Josh (00:15):
What is a grateful bicycle say to its rims?
Okay, so grateful me.

Mike (00:19):
Thank you, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.

Josh (00:24):
What does a?

grateful bicycle say.
To its rims it says thanks forkeeping it wheel.

Mike (00:30):
Oh, that's a good one.
You fooled us with the R Kellyjoke.
We thought you were going withthe R Kelly joke.

Josh (00:38):
I'm super glad that you picked that one.

Mike (00:40):
Really, we try to have, like dad, jokes with bike wheels
, but that's a good one.

Josh (00:45):
That is well played.
Yeah, thanks, thanks, we have aspecial guest we always say
special, we need a new.
We need a new Thesaurus,thesaurus, thesaurus, thesaurus,
to get a synonym to the wordinteresting or special
Interesting.

I thought there was a pterodactyl coming or
something.
Jesus Christ.

Josh (01:07):
All right, we have a awesome guest with us today yes,
Awesome guest, superinteresting story.
Would you like to introduceyourself, sir?

Sure, yeah, thanks , grateful to be here, so thanks
for having me First of all, myname's for coming.

Josh (01:22):
We were grateful that you were there.

Absolutely yeah.
I grew up in the Midwest, inMilwaukee, and I don't know
another Milwaukee guy fromMilwaukee Right on Great.

Josh (01:35):
You guys are because of cheese or something.

Mike (01:37):
We're gonna read PBR tonight too.

Do you have a tramp stamp that says Milwaukee?
Wait, do you?
I mean, I'm not saying I do,I'm just asking if he does that,
why is that related?

Mike (01:50):
No, I do not have any tattoos, nor one of Milwaukee.

Do you?

Mike (01:57):
Okay, all right, I'm curious where that question is
coming from, but we cut you off.

I apologize, no, yeah, no, you were introduced.
You were introduced to yourself.

Mike (02:06):
We're not getting very far tonight.

Josh (02:07):
Dustin Horton from Milwaukee, from Milwaukee, and
then Mike lost his shit.

Well no, it's totally ridiculous.
I have Milwaukee BMX tattooedon my lower back because I
thought, you know, when I was 18, 19,.
I thought, like you got toremember your roots, you're
gonna forget your roots, I don'tcare who you are it reminds me
of what's his name in water boy.

Mike (02:30):
He's got the tattoo and his right butt cheek or whatever
, henry Winkler.

Josh (02:36):
No, all right, all right.
Anyways, the funds, the funds,yes, yes, yeah.

Mike (02:39):
Okay, that's the best tattoo I've ever heard of.
That is a good tattoo.
Okay, milwaukee.

Josh (02:45):
BMX Milwaukee BMX.
Can we get a picture of thatbefore you go?
We should know.
Is it too low on your back?

I try to hide it mostly.
Okay, yeah, I think it's good,yep.

Josh (02:56):
You know, like when I got it, like tramp stamps didn't
even exist.

So just to be fair to me like you were the trend.

Josh (03:01):
You were the trend yeah.

I was the trend setter, set the trend for
Tramp's in Milwaukee.

Josh (03:06):
Yeah, for sure, yeah.

It's already taken like a turn, like I didn't know
.
Oh my God, okay, so uh serious,like like conversation pretty
call here.

Mike (03:18):
Yes, it just went nuts.

Well, yeah, I guess the you know it just
boiled over.
Right, it just boiled overAnyway yeah, and your name is
Dustin.

Mike (03:25):
I got to say Dustin Slayer .
We're having a good time.

No, no, the comedian.

Mike (03:30):
All right, look him up Speaking of.

Okay.

Mike (03:33):
All right, so your name is dust dusty, Dustin.

Dustin, legally Dustin, okay, okay.

Mike (03:39):
Nickname Dusty, dusty, yep , yep.

Okay, uh, I think, to the best of my memory, my
mom started calling me dustywhen I was like eight or nine
around then, and so if, if youuh talk to any of my family from
Milwaukee, they all call meDustin, right, oh really, you
get 10 years of Dustin in you.
It's hard to change, right,right?
But since then I've been dustyto everybody I know.

Josh (04:04):
Can you guys clear up something for me?
Is it Milwaukee or is itMilwaukee?

Mike (04:08):
It's Milwaukee, milwaukee.
It's not it's not Bill andTed's actual adventure.

No, it's not Milwaukee.
No, I mean, maybe somebodypronounces it that way somewhere
, I don't know.

Josh (04:22):
Yes, I gotta give a quick shout out.
If you guys heard, I had musicaccidentally playing on my phone
.

Mike (04:25):
I did yes.

Josh (04:27):
If you, if you, if for our listeners.
If you haven't heard the Viagraboys yet, they're touring with
Queens of Stone Age right now.
Amazing band Viagra boys.

Mike (04:32):
So I've listened to Viagra boys for years.

Josh (04:35):
Thanks for the introduction, bro the tattoo and
the forehead, am I alwayssending you music and you get
this great band and you don'tsend it to me.

Mike (04:41):
I'm sorry, I didn't know they were with QOS, but I'm I'm
going to be out of town, yeah.

Josh (04:46):
And I'm not going to see Katza up in Phoenix Now, I'm
going to see some play at theChristmas place.
Oh, even better.
So that's going to be great,all right.

Mike (04:54):
So I gotta tell you, dustin Dusty, when I found out
Josh booked you for thisrecording and I saw your
Instagram, I'm like no way.
I'm like that's that red BMXguy at premises skate park in
Tucson doing, doing the sickesttricks.
I mean your progression, likeI've been watching you for years
now, but the last time I sawyour session, the nose picks and

(05:17):
the technicality was just onfire.
So Kudos.

Josh (05:21):
You want to hear something crazy.
So I just met Dustin last twoweeks ago at the park, like just
briefly, and Ian's like dude,you guys, you should go hook up,
you guys should go meet andwhatever.

Mike (05:29):
Yeah.

Josh (05:30):
So I take him out and I show him the ramp while you were
caught in traffic and he's likeyeah, I helped load that up.

Mike (05:35):
No way.
With with, with Liam and Arnold, and, and, and, and, and.
It's a small world, it's such asmall community.

Josh (05:44):
I've probably been in the same room like a hundred times
and he's never, never, neverknow.

Mike (05:47):
That's so cool.
But all the kids like alwayswatching you all your sick
tricks you're doing, so that'spretty sweet man.

Thanks, man, I appreciate that.
Yeah, yeah All right.

Josh (05:59):
So what?
So what originally kind ofdrama drew my attention to to
Dusty was he came walking out ofthe park and he was kind of
going through.
He was all sweaty and he washeaded, obviously, had a big
sesh and he was asking about asession.
I'm looking at his bike andhe's got a BMX bike.
It's kind of it's kind ofbigger than like a normal BMX
purple.
It's not cruiser size but it'sbigger and it's got a.
It's got a tapered head tubeand I'm like what in the hell

(06:21):
can't believe?

Mike (06:21):
you notice that.

Josh (06:22):
What in the hell is that?
And so I'm looking at his bikeand I'm like dude, what kind of
bike is that?
You want to tell us about yourbike?
Yeah, man for sure.
And tell us about the company,cause it's.
I think it's a super cool story.

Absolutely.
Yeah, happy to.
So um, I, uh, I've been ridingjust the two.
Second version of this is I'vebeen riding BMX since, um, I
mean the late eighties really,but I I always say, like 1992 is
when I got my first GT, sothat's like the year I started
riding BMX, yeah.
I mean I was jumping curb cutsand stuff before then, but like

(06:54):
yeah, 92 is Hold on a second,let's jump in curb cuts.
Like curb cuts.
Are the like things that thedriveways have?
That like oh yes.

Josh (07:05):
Okay.
You know the little, little,tiny, little, tiny tiny.

Mike (07:08):
You're showing those as a kid.

Josh (07:09):
Yeah, like we all, thank you, I thought they just didn't
know the name, right?
I don't know.
Yeah, I'm still jumping them.
And I didn't know.

Yeah, totally.
Yeah, me too.

Josh (07:18):
Right we're all just kids that have escaped riding bikes.

How many years You've been?

Josh (07:25):
riding since you officially started with the GT
in 82.
, 92.
, 92.
I'm trying to give you 10 moreyears.

Mike (07:31):
No, that's okay, that's okay.

Josh (07:33):
He looks like he's younger than us, but he looks like he's
like 20 years.

Mike (07:36):
Right.

Josh (07:36):
Exactly.
Keep going bro.

All right.
So yeah, so been been ridingBMX for a really long time and I
took a few years off and cameback and you know just lots of
injuries and over the years itwas always finding ways to
continue to make it work, Like,make BMX a little softer, make
it not it's not hurt my body asmuch.

Mike (07:59):
As you got older and had injuries Exactly, exactly.

And so it just takes toll, it takes on your
body, as always is the case withthese action sports.
And so a couple, a few yearsago now, time goes fast.
A few years ago, ian atpremises got a 22 SMM.

Josh (08:21):
Okay, so let's explain for our listeners.
First of all, mostly BMX, someroad listeners and 18 to 40 or
18 to 27 year old girls is 40%of our demographic, which we
can't figure out.
Shout out to the ladiesAppreciate you, what is a 22?
What does that actually mean?
And probably give a littleunderstanding of like what a

(08:41):
typical BMX is.
So our mountain bike crew cankind of follow you.

For sure, yeah, yeah.
So excuse me, when we say BMX,99.9% of the time we're talking
about a bike with 20 inch wheels.
The top tube sizes, the bicyclesizes vary, like the frame
sizes vary, but when you'retalking about a BMX bike, you're
talking about a 20 inch bicycle.

Josh (09:07):
Yep.
And so in the sizing like islike 18, 19, 20, 21, and like
half sizes in between there iskind of the typical sizing and
that's basically the top tube.
Is that how BMX bikes are sizedtypically?

Most of the time, yeah, and you even have like
eighths in there, so you'll havelike 20.625 or you know.
Yeah, so you have like someweird sizes from time to time,
but for the most part, right,it's going to be somewhere
between 18 for like little kidsbikes or flatland bikes, and
then all the way.
Now we're up to 22 inch framesBMX frames, really primarily for

(09:45):
racing, dirt jumping, thingslike that, with the longer top
tubes.

Josh (09:48):
So when Dusty told me you know, and I kind of knew that
background was my kids had BMXbikes and I'm always out there
wrenching on them for them.
And I found out that you usedifferent set of tools on BMX
bikes and you do on other bikes.
You use like hammers and likeflyers flyers channel locks.

Channel locks.

Josh (10:06):
You know, you put WD-40 on everything Like.

Mike (10:10):
That's the BMX mechanics.
That's the BMX mechanics.
That's right.
Draw the line.

That's right.
Duck tape is fine, but no WD-40.

Josh (10:18):
Like there's mostly, there's that JB Weld, you see
that a lot on BMX bikes.
Anyways, when he, when he saidI was asking him about his bike,
I'm like what is it?
He's like it did oh.
I was like, oh, it's a newbrand.
I was like, oh, cool, and he'slike they specialize in 22s.
And I thought that just meantthey specialize in 22 inch
frames and they make biggerframes, maybe more for adults.
That's kind of what.
I walked away and I had thatperspective up until like an

(10:40):
hour ago.
What does it actually mean?

Yeah, yeah.
So when we say at 22 in the BMXworld, what we're talking about
is the wheel size.
So when you're talking aboutBMX, you're talking about a 20
inch.
That's always going to be thecase.
So you don't even mention thesize, because you're really just
talking about 20 inch wheels.
So when we talk about somethingthat's not a 20 inch, then you

(11:03):
get at 24s.
Historically have always beencalled cruisers.
26 would be like dirt jumper orused to be mountain bike.

Josh (11:10):
When I was a kid.

And now.
So 22s were really never a sizeoption for wheel until about I
don't know, I'd guess maybe 10years ago it started to come out
and then it's gotten a lot morepopular in the last few years.
So you're starting to see a lotof middle aged guys, older guys
, that are opt in for these 22s.
And so Ian at premises hadbought one and I thought like

(11:35):
I'm going to try it out.
And I tried it out and was like, oh my god, my body doesn't
hurt.
Well, it still hurts.

Mike (11:41):
It's still riding, without less impact on the body.

Yeah, exactly.
So the larger wheel size justgives you the tiniest little
extra bit of cushion.
I also found it was easier topump.
I got actually more speed witha little larger wheel size, so I
was able to reduce tirepressure from 80 psi to 60 psi
and keep the same speed becauseof the larger wheel size.
More suspension in there.
So I had more suspension.

Josh (12:04):
It's so smart and as mountain bikers like we know all
about this.
Because we've lived through theevolution.
We went from 26 inches all theway to 29 inches and then
something that we're messingaround with 27.5 for a little
bit, and I think we've kind ofsettled as standard 29.
Some bikes are mullets wherethey have 27.5 in the back and
I'm hearing about 32s now in thefuture and like even bigger
wheels.
Oh right, if you've done.

(12:25):
We've talked about 24 hour race.
There's a guy that rides outthere on 36s.
It looks like a wagon wheel.
It's freaking crazy.
He has to put two brakes on it,like disc brakes, one on each
side, because you can't put thatmuch pressure on one side, or
one side, or one rim.
Ruin spokes Anyway so like ittotally makes sense to us as
mountain bikers that you guyswent to a bigger wheel size.

Well, yeah, some of us did, and there's some
drawbacks, of course.

Josh (12:48):
There's always two sides to it.
It's harder to throw it aroundright Manoeuvrability.

That's at the end of the day, right,
manoeuvrability, is it?
And so when you have a largerwheel, you have specifically for
BMX, where you're often veryconcerned about doing tricks,
manipulating the bike in acertain way in the air or close
to the coping, so you want to beable to, in most cases, whip
the bike around quickly, right,and so I don't know physics, so

(13:17):
I'm going to say all these wordswrong.
That's fine, we make shit upall the time.

Mike (13:21):
Yeah, yeah.
So the no fact checkers here.

The rotating wheel as it spins has a lot of
Inertia, inertia, yeah, inertia.
Whatever Right, so it makes itnot want to spin Right.
And so the larger the wheel,the more of that force there is.
And when you put the heavy part, the tire, right on the outside
of the wheel, it makes it evenmore.

Josh (13:46):
So when you're trying to do bar spins or whips, Bar spins
tail whips 360s, yeah, anythingthat requires spinning against
the grain of the direction thatyou're going Right.

Mike (13:57):
It affects that.

So backflips are easy, right, but 360s have a
whole bunch of extra.

Josh (14:02):
Yeah, backflips are easy, that's yeah.
Yeah, that would make sense.

Mike (14:04):
There's a cool YouTube of you.
Remember who you are on Oregonat the lumber yard.

Oh, right yeah, learning flares Slams.

Mike (14:14):
Nobody's business.
And of course, your nose pickover the.

Oh right.

Mike (14:19):
Now step up whatever that, yeah.
And then you went over the barsa couple times.
I think you picked up flares,though in three tries.

Yeah.

Mike (14:27):
At least that's what it showed in the edit.

That was literally the day I learned them.
Yeah, I was that's crazy, whichfelt pretty good.
I was 35.
So I felt like learningbackflip 180s at 35.
Like I was pretty proud of that.
I had been doing backflipssince I was in my 20s but just
never learned backflip 180s,which is how you do it on a
quarter pipe, so that you don't.

Josh (14:46):
So he calls it a backflip 180.
In the scooter world we callthem flares.

Mike (14:49):
Is that what a flare is?
Yeah, it's a backflip 180.
I always wonder what itactually is, because it happens
so fast.

Josh (14:55):
Because you're coming up and you're doing a backflip, but
then you're ending facing down,do a 180 as well, so you have
to do a 180.
Otherwise you'd land on yourand have to come out fake.

Right Right.
Which people do flip fakies,right yeah.

Mike (15:06):
So backflips in your 20s.
Were people doing backflipsback then?
Haven't you seen the movie red?
Where they were they?
Yeah, I know you, Josh bringsup right at every Chancey gets
every.

We have Literally my favorite movie.

Josh (15:21):
It's an awesome movie yeah .

I watched it last year, like I watched it two
years ago in the theater.

Josh (15:26):
Yeah, it's just to put it in context.
It's gleaming the cube for BMXguys.
Yes, all right, withoutchristian slater.

Mike (15:36):
All right, um, okay, so we're back to the physics of the
wheel.
Yeah we're talking about ditto.
Yeah, so there's, yeah, there'sso there's.

There's some drawbacks, of course, right, as
there are drawbacks to the 20inch too, right.
So it's it's all a balance andyou're just choosing what works
best for you and in my 40s, likefor me, the 22 feels better and
it's worth the trade off oflike trade offs.
I'm not gonna do double barspins, I'm not doing double
truck drivers like I probablycould with this bike.
I'm sure somebody Could or isout there, but like At truck

(16:07):
drivers at 360 360 bars with abar spin.

Josh (16:10):
Sorry, yeah, yeah, no, just just for our BMX guys that
we can't spend our Handlebarsbecause we got cables that keep
us from doing that.

Oh, gyros.

Mike (16:17):
Yeah.

No, well, we could put.

Josh (16:18):
I guess I've never seen a jet couldn't put a gyro in a
hydraulic brake.
I don't think.
Maybe it could.
Yeah, not that I know of.
No, maybe that's I gotta gowith the bluetooth stuff patent.
Yeah, with electronics.

Mike (16:28):
Yeah, everything's wireless, all right.

Josh (16:30):
So so, so I, so I automatically started asking
questions, the same questions wehad like when 29ers first came
out, like what's the tireavailability and wheel
availability?
Oh parts so like do you have,like how many tires do you have
to pick from?

Yeah, so there's, there's not as much.
Obviously, right, it's a nichemarket, it's much smaller than
the broad market and so you havea lot fewer manufacturers who
are involved, though most of themajor bike manufacturers at
this point, like BMX, yeah,manufacturers are all making a
22.
Okay, like at least a complete,and then most of them aren't

(17:05):
making like lots of goodaftermarket parts, but some of
them are like s and m makesreally good tires, that's I get
Tires it's not the s and myou're thinking about.

Mike (17:16):
There's a running joke about my being into s and m on
this podcast.

Josh (17:19):
It's super great.
He gets so uncomfortable everytime I bring it up and you know
he's thinking about it.
He's like maybe I should trythat, just to see.

Mike (17:28):
Oh, yes, and then, because of these conversations, my
phone picks it up.
If you've talked about manytimes, so then my youtube.

Josh (17:35):
Yeah, it's my fault that see the bad stuff showing up.

Mike (17:41):
I was how my wife.
Come on, man, it's just so youknow, it's all josh, it's not
what.

Josh (17:45):
it's not my search history .

It's what I'm saying, right?
It makes perfect sense to me.

Josh (17:49):
So s and m makes some the big ones.
So you have some options.
Yeah, you have some options Inreal alienation, quality options
yeah.

Yeah, actual quality options, right, Like I I
mean riding as long as I have,like if I buy a complete bike
the things fall on a part in amonth, like at best you know.
So like I have to have goodaftermarket options that really
hold up.

Josh (18:08):
So tell us, like, what are the parts that were out fastest
on a BMX with the type of andhe and he does like hardcore
freestyle Dirt, jump like bighucking, you know BMX riding?

Yeah, yeah, and, and I'm, I'm not little, you
know, like right now I'm 165pounds, but I've I've been like
190, um, pretty consistently formost of my life, or you know,
180, 190, and so I'm, I'm notlight and I'm doing these tricks
and landing very hard.
You know, 10 feet up and youmiss and you land Flat bottom

(18:41):
and you know, so it's, it's,it's really a lot of damage on
the bike.
So for me, it's always thecrank arms that bend the wheels,
the crank arms, yeah, the rims,that bend, um, and then the
frames.
Usually, like, over time, theback end will start to tweak
over.
So so, yeah, you have like youknow that is some serious.

Mike (19:01):
What are the cranks?

Josh (19:02):
made of?
Are they aluminum or they steelsteel?

Yeah, I mean I haven't had I shouldn't say that
now, because that that hasn'thappened in a couple of years
but I just started changingcranks a lot more frequently, so
yeah, why are you changing thecranks?

Mike (19:16):
because they're breaking or because you're experimenting
with different cranks and sizes?

No, I like pretty much.
Now.
I'll change cranks every time Ichange a frame, like every two
years or so, like I just don't.
I used to ride them untilthey'd fail fail and they would,
they would always Bend and bendand bend, like eventually just
get worse and worse.
So yeah, just from from landingon the outside of the pedals
with All your weight, you knowsure, yeah.

Mike (19:40):
So do you have a preference?
I know you're at the premisespark a lot.
Do you have a modality that youlike?
Do you like the dirt?
Do you like the inside parks?

So I I grew up, you know, in the 80s and 90s,
like everybody rode everythinglike.
So you rode flatland and yourode vert and you rode dirt
jumps and you rode street andyou rode skate park like that's
just what we did.
And as time went on, Idefinitely like focused more and
more and more on skate parks,like in, specifically, indoor
wooden skate parks always feltthe best to me.

(20:10):
Um, and and part of that isjust where I grew up in the
Midwest it was, you know, coldsix months of the year.
So you're in indoor woodenskate park.
We got like one of the bestindoor skate parks in the world
in the world, in the world here,here in here, in two years on
it with premises.

Josh (20:25):
Park, dude, if you haven't been there, you can ride.
You can ride mountain bikesthere to Ian promise that he
lets you in.

Mike (20:30):
So, uh, go check it out, sign a waiver, spend 10 bucks
for a couple hours.

Josh (20:33):
It's a cool experience.
You want to see how bad yousuck on a bike.
Go ride a skate park, butthere's something for everybody
there.

Mike (20:39):
You know he's got big stuff, little stuff and the
whole culture and vibe is socool there you can put your
thing and it will.

Josh (20:46):
I tell you.
It'll help you on the trail.
And I'm just giving a littleshout out to Ian.

Mike (20:49):
So you can so, speaking of skate parks and being from
Milwaukee, so 1987 it's miliwake, yeah, miliwake.
So 1987 I Um turf skate park.
Yeah, do you remember that?
By any chance I rode there.

You did on the skateboard, or skateboard Ambia
bex.

Mike (21:05):
Oh, I didn't know, they let you guys were probably
sitting there at the same time.
We well, he's older.
I'm sorry I'm older than he isby quite a bit so but we could
have been.
Yeah, I mean, I started goingthere in 92, so okay, yeah, so I
was five years previous, um,but yeah, great place.
And then I think it turned intobelly button strip club.
They put boards over the rulesSkating the front door.

Josh (21:27):
Yeah, right, good when skating they turned a skate park
into a strip club.

Mike (21:31):
Into a strip club yeah.

Is it back to a skate park yet?
Well, it was, yeah, shortlyafter that, because by the early
90s I was, I was going thereand then, um, they Freeway went
through it.
Now, no, it's like the spot isstill there last I heard, and
they were doing a save the turf.
So what they did is they filledin all the bowls while the
place was still open because it,you know, like Mid 90s,

(21:56):
everybody had stopped skatingballs and everybody was street
skating right.
So they filled in all the bowlsand put in this like street
plaza thing.
But people knew that the bowlswere there.
So, like I think probably 95 orsix is when they went out of
business and then, like 2005,2006, 2007, they're like Save
the turf.

(22:16):
You know, like, yeah, they wantand they wanted the city to
like come and take the bowls andput them somewhere else.
That park opened in 1979 and inthe 90s, when I was riding
there, it was the longestprivately owned skate park that
was open in the country.

Josh (22:32):
Wait, what about modern?
Yeah, what about modern andtrait?

No, from in 90, like 93.
Okay, yeah, from 79.

Josh (22:41):
Well, the guy from modern skate park lied to me, then Keep
that.
Or I'm lying to you.
Have you written that?
Have you written that?

modern?
No, not that I'm aware of.

Josh (22:49):
Yeah, that's the one in Detroit.
Right, that's Detroit.
Yeah, he told me it was thelongest, like maybe it was the
longest continuously operatingskate park that didn't turn into
a strip club.

Right, right, right, that could be it.
Yeah, yeah, it was interesting.

Josh (23:02):
He was telling me like his business model, because, like
every skate park loses moneybest.
I can tell, yeah, maybe there'ssome that don't.
But he, like bought thisbuilding and the front half of
the building is all officebuilding office space.

He rents that off.

Josh (23:15):
He rents all that out and then that basically funds to
keep the skate park open, whichdoesn't make money, right he's
just trying to stay in the greenat all times.
Totally Kept it going for like30 years or something.

Mike (23:25):
Yeah, it's awesome, all right, so you like wooden ramp
parks?

Yeah, yeah, Indoor wooden ramp parks growing up in
the Midwest, and so I was.
I mean just yeah, Anyway,that's my favorite kind of
riding.

Mike (23:37):
Were you sponsored back then like a professional level,
or what were you doing back thenas a kid?

Sort of yeah.

Josh (23:46):
I don't want to lose the ditto.
Yeah, yeah so let's come backto ditto, because they're doing
something unique and interestingand I think we should highlight
them.
Yeah, 22 inch bikes.
Tell me about ditto.

Yeah, yeah.
So once I found 22 inch bikesand I started riding them I was
like, okay, this is the jam, butnow how do I get like really
good parts?
And so, looking around atframes, like all the frame
options were really expensiveand I was I had bought a
complete Verde.
I actually and this ties backinto the question a second ago I

(24:19):
rode for DK in the 2000s and solike I still had some
connections there and so got aVerde 22 like through them,
because DK is Verde, theirsystem cycle is the like parent
distribution center and soanything that like system got
like as a DK flow rider I wouldget discounts on that stuff too.

(24:43):
Yeah, yeah.
So I got a Verde 22,.
Rode that for about six monthsand realized like, okay, I like
the 22, but the geometry is just, this particular bike is built
more for like dirt jump Likejust it was slower and sluggish
in terms of like tricks andspinning and that kind of stuff.
So I'm looking around atdifferent frame options and

(25:06):
obviously one of the optionsthat you have is have a custom
frame built and Mike Laird shoutout Mike Laird and Laird frame
they do custom chromoly framesand titanium frames and you can
get them in pretty much any sizeyou want.
So mountain bike size, bmx size, like 12 inch, I mean whatever
you want Custom frames.

(25:27):
So and if you look at like youcould order a custom frame from
S&M, you could order a customframe from standard, and when I
looked at the prices and allthat stuff, like Laird frame was
just kind of the way to go andthe downside is it's one guy
built in frame.
So it took eight months to getthe bike from when I ordered it.
But once I got it I was in lovewith it and the way that I

(25:50):
ended up getting the geometrythat I wanted, because with
Laird frame, like you tell themthey're not going to tell you
what geometry to.
You have to choose right,what's your head tube angle,
what's your seat?

Josh (26:00):
You know all these, all these aspects.
We haven't talked about GEO inso long.
Josh loves geometry.

I love geometry.
I was asking about the geometry.
It was like what are?

Josh (26:07):
you with there.
Anyways, keep going.

So um so I knew what I had you know in terms of
22, and you can't just take yourfavorite 20 inch bike and go,
okay, I want this right becauseit's a little different, right.
So I was looking around theinternet and I thought, like,
how do I find the geometry thatI want?
And I came across Ditto becausethey had a park specific like

(26:31):
and when we say park specific wemean a little steeper, a little
faster, a little moreresponsive, a little shorter
wheelbase.
Exactly, and and compared tolike a trails frame, which is
going to be longer, slower, etcetera.
Right, and so my Verde was likethe more trails frame and I
thought, okay, this bike, thisDitto that I found online, has
like the perfect geometry, soI'm going to steal that.

Josh (26:55):
So I stole their geometry numbers?
Yup, and I had a.

Laird frame made with that and I got it and I
wrote it for like six months andI loved it and it was amazing
and, like you know, custom paintand like it's so fun to get a
Laird frame because it's likeyour bike.
You actually get a custom seat,stay bridge.
So I got a little heart likebuilt into the frame.
Nice, it's phenomenal.

Josh (27:16):
Awesome, so seat stay bridge would be behind the seat
going down to the.

Yeah.

Josh (27:25):
And there's always like a little piece of metal that
crosses between the C stays, andso you, you could choose
whatever you wanted, right?

So I had a little heart made it was awesome.
It was like super personal, youknow it's nice, so I love that
bike, had it for six months.
I had written breaks on my bikefor 20 plus years and got this
wild hair on my button, was likeI need to ride brakes again for
some reason, like and andthere's there's a little more

(27:55):
story than that to it but butdecided I needed breaks and so I
went online and I ordered aditto because the bike I had
ordered from Laird frame likewas had no breaks Cause why
would I have brake mounts onthis frame?
I haven't written breaks in 20years, so I ended up ordering a
ditto and that is actually whatcreated the relationship with
ditto and with John the owner,and and John is a great guy, so

(28:19):
I ordered a bike that theydidn't have inventory you know
mishap inventory.
Yeah, and so he ended up givingme like a more expensive model
for the same price and throwinga t-shirt.
I was like, wait, what Like?
Just super nice dude Right, solike just trying to make it
right and and I realized like,oh, this is, this is just one
guy.
This is like one guy runningthis company, like running the

(28:40):
Instagram page and running thestorefront and like hustling,
having a fan, you know likedoing everything Right, so yeah,
so I was like really stoked onjust like this whole idea of
like one guy really believes in22s and things like this needs
to be pushed, and so that's whathis, his focus has always been
on is just this 22 inch market,his niche.

(29:02):
Exactly, exactly His niche andhe had started actually in BMX
like in the eighties um, wasactually even in like in BMX
videos in the eighties, you knowhad some notoriety in the
Midwest and had moved kind ofall over the country and moved
to Portland, ended up in NorthNorthern California after a

(29:23):
period of time, had kids, had afamily, had this whole thing and
kept going back to bikes, keptgoing back to bikes, kept going
back to bikes.
And then somebody at his trailswas like, oh, you should ride
this 22.
Because he had gone kind of, hehad done gravel bikes, he had
done mountain bikes, he had, youknow, done all this stuff but
kept gravitating back to the 20inch.
BMX bike Right.

(29:43):
And so some guy at his localtrails was like, oh hey, I got
this 22 inch bike and he was, hewas sold right, just like I was
, and yeah, it just felt so muchbetter.
It felt like, just felt like itfit me.
He felt the same way and so hestarted looking around of like,
okay, cool, well, there's a fewframe options for 22s, but like,

(30:04):
hardly anybody's making forks,so I'm gonna, I'm gonna look
into getting forks made, yep.
And so he starts talking todifferent people.
He talks to SNM, he talks toFBM.
When, when?
Fbm?
I don't know if you guys knowno, no, fbm.

Mike (30:17):
So they fit, is that?

no, that's not Okay, sorry fit is part of SNM,
fitness and emmer, yeah, samecompany, but FBM, fat bald men.

Mike (30:28):
That's what that stands for.

Josh (30:29):
Yep, it's perfect.

Yeah.
Or fire bikes, mayhem.
Yeah.
They had a bunch of differentacronyms, but fat bald men was
the actual like company name.
So they were around for like 20plus years.
They were another US basedmanufacturer, like they made
their own bike frames bikeframes in house, just like SNM
did.
And so they.
John was talking to FBM aboutgetting forks made because he

(30:52):
really had this idea.
He like love the the PDC pedaldriven cycles as a company in, I
believe, texas and they've beenmaking 22 frames for a while.
But he couldn't get themexcited about making forks.
So he's like I'm going to makeforks.
So he's talking to all thesepeople couldn't, couldn't get it
to work out.
And then FBM closed right whenhe thought he was going to get

(31:15):
that deal working and he's like,okay, well, I'm going to just
do it myself.
And so he started making framesand yeah, he got connected with
somebody that could get themanufacturing done and had you
know samples made and checkedthem out and like wow, okay,
cool.

Josh (31:31):
So so so they got an Instagram, they got a Facebook,
they got a, they got a web store.
We'll put all the links in theshow notes for everyone.
And I'm, you know it's kind ofbeen cruising through the web
store today, like the frames areactually pretty like reasonable
, like they're like kind of 350to like 550 price.
And their quality right, highquality, and they have.
They have this fucking badassSEMA language.

Mike (31:52):
I don't usually say the F word out here, I guess what I do
but they've got this colorway.

Josh (31:57):
It's called Matt trans blonde bronze.
It is the coolest, prettylooking.
Look at that color, dude.
Wow.
I just think that color isawesome.

Mike (32:04):
It's almost like copper looking Super sick.
So going back to how you firstran into Dusty at premises about
the head, head tube.

Josh (32:12):
Yeah, so it had a.
It had a taper head, so I'venever seen that on a BMX bike
before.
Do you know the backstory onthat?
It's it's good designing, no.

Mike (32:22):
I don't know either, I'm just curious.

Well, he so he, uh , yeah, the.
The short version is like herides mountain bikes as well,
like yeah.

Mike (32:33):
There it is.
That's true.

He's involved in his the the one other team rider
that they have his name is JodyDonnelly.
He's also like a BMXer from theMidwest from the late 80s,
early 90s.
He lives in North Cal and is isa huge like ride everything,
right.
So he's doing backflips on likefull suspension 27s and like
dirt jumpers and all this stuff,and so he's he's literally

(32:56):
riding everything, and so Ithink all those guys are just
like let's take what technologyworks, we can, and that is
awesome, and we'll continue tomake the bikes better, which is
always how BMX has worked rightwhen, when they figure something
out, oh we could do this better, so we do it.

Josh (33:11):
Right, same in mountain biking.
Do you have this?
We steal most of our tech frommotorcycles.

Mike (33:15):
Totally Most.

Josh (33:15):
of the tech just trickle down from motorcycles, and now
it's trickling.
I mean it won't be long beforeyou all have hydraulic brakes,
if you don't already.

Yeah Well if you ride break?

Mike (33:23):
are you riding breaks today?

So yeah, yeah, that's why I got the body.

Mike (33:28):
I know it was a trip, he took them off.

Josh (33:30):
No, I got yeah, yeah, he doesn't have a gyro though he's
just got a long ass cable in thefront.
So he can do, he can do one barturn, one bar spin back, and
then he's got it.

Mike (33:39):
Yep, you just ride the back brake now no, he's got a
front brake too.
He's just got a long cable.
Oh, you're being serious, I'mnot kidding, I'm not getting
sarcastic.
No, I'm serious.

Josh (33:47):
I saw that on his bike, I'm like where's your gyro?
He's like no just a long asscable, so he's got enough for
him to do Do you want to bringit back?
Well, I preload one and then Itake my run and I can do two in
the run.
I got you One this way and onethat way.

I can do like I preload it, so I spin it the
wrong way first.

Josh (34:05):
Oh, so it's pretty low.
I got you.

And then I go take my run and I can do two in the
same direction.

Mike (34:10):
Regular You're not doing an apo Right, I mean people
could.
So that explains that's howyou're doing your, your nice
nose picks.

Front brakes.

Mike (34:18):
The front brakes help with that.

Well, yeah, you need them.
So to do like a nose pick,proper nose pick.
You're doing it with a frontbrake, Can't you just put your
foot up there?

Josh (34:28):
That's a foot jam nose pick.

So it's yeah, yeah , just a different, different,
like I mean, it's a differenttrick completely.
But yeah, they call one nosepick and they call one foot jam
nose pick, and because nobodywants to say the whole thing
anymore, they just say foot jam.

Josh (34:41):
We got to double click.
We got to double click on thisno brake thing for a second
because our mountain bikelisteners are like what the fuck
, are you guys talking about nobrakes, like we?
Live on our brakes.
So so basically, like my, youcan tell me if this is my son
just uses his foot to stop him.

Mike (34:58):
Yeah, In in the early and trans sorry, and transition and
lack of pumping like yeah, yeahyeah, sure, yeah.

I mean like in in the in the early 2000s, probably
even late 90s, like people werestarting to experiment with
riding BMX brakeless.
Like it started kind of inFlatland and street and then it
made it way it's way into rampriding Right and so, like by I
don't know 2010, like nobody wasrunning brakes anymore.

(35:26):
So it just was something thatpeople didn't do.
Like you just don't ride brakes, you need another one.
Yeah, sure, thank you, do you?

Josh (35:36):
want me to get you another ?
We're.
We're just a technical pausehere while we're sorting out.

Mike (35:41):
Do you want another barrier?
I'm good right now, okay.
So, dusty, why?
Why did they take the brakes?
Is it, is it ride better?
Or is it because you can?
You know why?
Why the the the no, no brakemovement?
It's punk rock dude.

Josh (35:54):
Yeah, maybe it started as being just punk rock, I
guarantee it.

So you know I don't.
I think for everybody it'ssomething different.
Yeah, Um, for me, like I am not, I don't love working on my
bike and the amount that you.

Mike (36:09):
One last thing to mess with that you have to work on
your bike.
It's a simple simplicity.

To make your brakes work like you got to keep
your back wheel straight, right, because we're using we're
using rim brakes, not discbrakes, right?
So you have to keep your backwheel perfectly straight and
you're constantly landingsideways from 10 feet on your
back wheel, tweaking that backwheel so it's.
It's hard to keep your backwheel straight all the time to
make the brakes work, so it's alot of maintenance, and so for

(36:35):
me that was a huge draw.
The other part was and this isstill true I'm a control freak,
and so by taking the brakes off,I forced myself to lose that
lever of control whichcompletely changed how I rode, I
mean that's what you do in your.

Josh (36:57):
SNM world, right it's kind of different but the same I
guess.

Mike (37:02):
Yeah, I gotta tell you rim brakes suck.

Josh (37:06):
I mean I've had the, I've got Paul rim brakes which are
like the best, I mean at leastin the, in the, in the mountain
biking, in the, in the roadbiking road.
Paul's like the best rim brakesyou can get from my perspective
.

Mike (37:15):
They all suck, but you couldn't, you can't put discs on
it.

You can and people do all the time.

Mike (37:21):
And it doesn't mess with it Look on.

that website Is there?

Josh (37:24):
is there disc brakes on here?
Yeah, no shit, Shut the frontdoor.
You guys keep talking.
I gotta look.

Mike (37:28):
I never.
I have never seen that, yeah,so.

Ditto.
Ditto just came out with abunch of new models, and so
that's one of the things thatthey did with the, with the
tapered head tube.
They also added a couple modelsthat have disc brakes as well.
Wow, yeah.
So trail riders specifically,so dirt, dirt, jumping, huge
push right now to move towardsdisc brakes for a lot of them,

(37:52):
some of them, you know likewhatever some people have their
ideas about, like I'm going tokeep it simple or whatever.

Josh (37:58):
But, the people that want the function yeah, a lot of
people are switching over.
Yeah, once once we haven't gonethere yet.
It's coming, but we haven'tgone to electric.
You know, digital brakingsystems.

Mike (38:11):
Oh cause it's all just shifting right now.

Josh (38:13):
Yeah, so the shifting, they've got all electric the.
C-pose have got electric, it'scoming.
I'm sure they're gonna haveservo actuated brakes.
That seems like it would be aperfect BMX situation.
Cause you got no cables youdon't have to worry about gyro,
you can just.
But the amount of braking youget with a disc brake is like no
shit serious braking comparedto what you're used to with rim

(38:35):
brakes.

And that's part of the problem.
So for a lot of tricksspecifically in like the
trickland, you need to feather.

Mike (38:43):
Yeah, and you don't really feather.
Not as well for sure.
At least not at my level.

Josh (38:49):
I'm sure there's like world cup racers that feather.

I'm sure somebody's doing it.
Yeah, it's not me, right, so itjust makes it harder, yeah.

Mike (38:57):
So do you know?
Not to put you in a spot, butdo you know where Ditto are made
?

I don't, I think they're.
I mean overseas, oh, okay, yeah, but I don't know where they're
made.

Josh (39:07):
So he does the design and he's got an offshore
manufacturer.

Mike (39:09):
Okay, he doesn't weld the frame.
Yeah, he's got a.
Okay, Right, yeah.

He has them made frames and forks.

Mike (39:14):
Yeah, with his geometry and all that specs and all his
specs, yeah.

Yeah, and that's the other pieces.
You know, he had actuallystarted it like about forks and
so one of the cool thingsthey're doing now, and I've
never even seen this on a BMXbike.
So just to go back to thebrakes things for a second, so
when people started taking theirbrakes off, like frame
manufacturers immediatelystarted given options right,

(39:39):
Like, okay, you got frame withbrake mounts, you got frame with
no brake mounts and theneventually they started making
removable brake mounts on theframe, Since you could switch
back and forth between havingbrakes and not having brakes
right.
Nobody ever did that for theforks, because after the
nineties hardly anybody wasriding from brakes.

Josh (39:58):
Oh wow, I've thought about it.
I've cut a couple with thegrinding wheel.

Yeah.
So there's a handful of peoplestill doing front brake tricks,
right, and so you can buy forkswith front brake mounts.
You know much smaller selection, right, but nobody's making
removable front brake mountsthat I know of, at least in BMX
and so now there's a 22 inchfork option From.

Josh (40:23):
Ditto.
From Ditto which has something,yeah, that even a 20 inch BMX
bike to have.
It's like the mounting peg thatjust screws out right.

Exactly, yeah, yeah, but it makes it look a lot
cleaner.

Josh (40:34):
You don't have that thing hanging out there.
Well, I don't think you guysare as concerned with weight as
we are in the mountain bikeworld.

Some of us are, but not me for sure.
Yeah, right now.

Josh (40:43):
Do they make carbon BMX bikes?

They're getting into carbon wheels is the thing
I've seen lately.
But tie is big Tie.
Yeah yeah, weight is a big dealfor some of it.

Josh (40:54):
He was checking out my tie .
I was working on the lightspeedwhen he came out.
That's really pretty.
Yeah, that's cool bike.
I'm loving that bike at themoment.
Yeah, very cool Shout out toDitto.
So okay, we want to talk abouttransit.
Oh yeah, you want to tell us alittle bit about transit.
So transit's a shop in Tucsonoff the loop.
If you guys remember, we hadhey Susan with his shop ride

(41:16):
Tucson, which is also off theloop.
Tell us, you've had a greatexperience with transit.
You want to give them a shoutout and tell them.

Yeah, for sure.
So I live like in theneighborhood.
I'm right down the street fromthem, close to downtown, and
they're like a walk from theloop, like three minutes right.
They're at the MSA Annex inthose shipping container.

Josh (41:34):
Mercado San Augustine, san Augustine, or San Augustine,
San Augustine San.

Augustine, yeah, so they're at the Annex part,
the shipping container part,which is just a little bit south
of the main MSA, and that wholearea is really cool, just to
hang out Super cool.
Yeah, it's awesome, awesomedown there.
Downtown Tucson area Just westof downtown West of downtown,
yeah, yep, just on the otherside of the freeway, yeah.

Josh (41:58):
Hey KS Mercado on English Store.

Yeah, shop or market, I always got through a
little.

Josh (42:05):
Spanish in for a Spanish translator here.
Yeah, mark, I couldn't think ofthat word.
Good job, it's not like youlive in a Mexico.

Mike (42:15):
In Milwaukee.
We picked that up right yeah inMilwaukee there you go A lot of
Spanish in Milwaukee.
The second one OK, so MSAtransit.

Yeah, transit, transit right, so yeah.
So basically that's the closestshop to me and I always had
friends that worked at bikeshops so I had friends that
worked at Oral Valley, orfriends that worked at Ajo, or
friends at blah blah blah, andeventually, over the years, all
those friends stopped working atthose shops and started doing

(42:44):
other stuff.

Josh (42:45):
And so I'm like Sad story for them.
I bet you they all wish theywere back at the shop.
Good old days, but you got topay mortgages.
No, I got to stop them.

I'm grateful that they're doing what they want to
do.
And also, why aren't theyfixing my bike?
So yeah, and like I said, I cando the maintenance.
I choose not to right, sothat's my spiel.

Josh (43:05):
I think you should rethink that.
That's my zen man.

It is for a lot of people, and so is cooking, yeah
.
And then OK, ok, yeah.
So, point taken, to each theirown, to each their own.

Josh (43:17):
My SNM.
I'm into fixing bikes.
You don't like it.

I mean, I've taken computers and phones apart,
like that I don't mind.
Like yeah, technology is fine,but for some reason I just yeah,
like.

Mike (43:28):
Like writing more than fixing.

I like writing more than fixing.
Yeah, I can do it, I just amnot.

Josh (43:34):
So you're hopping on your bike and cruising over to your
local.

So I'm going to my local, exactly.
And so when I was lookingaround for shops, like you know,
look online and looking atreviews and I'm like, oh my God,
this place is a mile from myhouse and incredible reviews and
actually sells the like uniquegravel bike manufacturer that,
like I have a gravel bike fromwhich is all city.
So I'm like, oh, they even likework, you know, sell this brand

(43:58):
that I have, you know.
So it's like perfect fit.
So I go down there with mygravel bike a couple of times to
get like a tune up or whatever,and they just did such an
incredible job.
You know, I heard you guystalking about the detailing that
.

Josh (44:11):
Jesus did yes, yeah, yeah.

And you were talking about like oh, nobody
advertises that.
Well, I got my bike back andthe thing was shiny, Like I
didn't even like new bikes knowthat it was a thing yeah, like,
and I you know it's a nice shopand like they did very nice work
and so I was so impressed andthey don't have a BMX part in

(44:34):
stock, like it's not likethey're a BMX shop.
Yeah, they're on a loop, sothat's not what they're here to
write.
But I thought, like thismechanic, and I had, like you
know, a few chats with themechanic about the bike and you
know different problems andwhatever, and and I just had so
much faith and trust in themthat I brought them my BMX bike
when John sent me the new dittoframe and fork, so I had, you

(44:54):
know, all the parts switchedover from my old ditto to the
new ditto when they came outwith the model.

Josh (44:58):
You really don't like working on bikes.
If you took a brand new bikeand had someone else build it
for you.
You hate working on bikes.

Yeah, it's not my favorite thing Right out.

Josh (45:07):
Well, if you ever need to get it done free, just come drop
it off for me.
That's my Zen.
I love to build.

Perfect, I'm happy to do that for you, yeah.
So shout out the transit, soyeah, they just did such an
incredible job.
So they took this BMX bike andthey're not like BMX specialist,
but these guys you know all thepeople there like grew up
riding bikes, you know, and youjust know they love it.
So they had no problems.
In fact, they had one problemwith the old part that I brought

(45:32):
them and they even, likewithout me knowing about it,
they looked up ditto and got ahold of John.
Oh, really, to say like, hey,what are you doing?
This it's like went way out ofthe way.
That's awesome, just suchincredible work at that.

Josh (45:45):
So we're going to we're going to reach out to those guys
and see if we can get them on.
I'd like.

Mike (45:48):
I'd like to facilitate an introduction or something I'd be
happy to.
Yeah, yeah, cool.

Jenna and Sebastian are the two that I've
worked with primarily there, andthey're just both incredible
people.
So, yeah, all right, sweet.

Josh (46:00):
So, dustin, you have like a super interesting story I'd
love to hear like and I thinkour listeners would love to hear
more about your story as muchas you want to share with us,
you know.
So we've talked about BillJoaquin, we've talked about SNM.
A lot talked about you, don't?
I don't know why it's such atheme.
It's becoming a thing I'm goingto.
I feel like I'm going to haveto give you a hug or something
after this podcast.

(46:21):
How did this?
I told my wife, yeah, toembrace her mistakes.
So she gave me a hug.
You know what I mean.

Mike (46:29):
So yes, I would appreciate a hug later.
I would be a hug now because Ithink you're a mistake.
Okay, just for the record.

Josh (46:36):
Yeah, I'm going to say, I'm going to say I'm going to
say I'm going to say, I'm goingto say I'm going to say I'm
going to say I'm going to sayI'm going to say, I'm going to
say, I'm going to say, I'm goingto say, I'm going to say, I'm
going to say, I'm going to say,I'm going to say I don't want
you to say anything like that,all right, yeah, we'd love to
hear back.

Yeah, tell us about your background and like
as much as you want to sharewe'd love to hear my favorite
part about that kind of joke isthat most people listening?

Mike (47:01):
yeah, probably didn't even catch that.
That was a joke.

Josh (47:04):
No, it's actually not a joke.
I was the best guy.
There's always a little bit oftruth in all those jokes, right?
Oh man.

Mike (47:18):
Dusty, you're bringing up the worst message.
My side star number for thispodcast is a good one.

Yeah for sure, for sure.
Yeah, tell us about yourbackground, man.
So a magic tractor is drivingdown the road and it turns into
a field Magic tractor, magictractor.

Josh (47:31):
So no driver, it's just driving on its own.

Well, it's a magic tractor.
It's driving down an oldcountry road.

Josh (47:37):
And it turns into a field.
Okay, is there a punch line?

This is what I like about this kind of joke.

Mike (47:48):
Oh, it turns into a field.
It's magic.
It was a tractor, now it's afield.

Josh (47:52):
Oh, punk rock that's good.

When I first heard that joke, somebody had to
explain it to me, like I likewhere's the five minutes like?
Going wait, okay, and then whatThen?

Mike (48:04):
what.

Josh (48:05):
That's the rest of it.

Right.
When you tell me the rest of it, I'm like I was on the floor.

Josh (48:08):
I think I'm going to cut out this whole part and just
stop it right at that and thenmove on to the next section.
So our listeners never get aresolution.
What's the punch line?
Some guys on a sugar, usingthat, using it, do you have a
bidet?
I do not.

Mike (48:24):
Oh my.

Josh (48:24):
God.
So Mike and I both havediscovered the bidet.
Like it was $30.
It was mine, it's mine was 44.

Mike (48:31):
But yeah, you got the good one.

Josh (48:32):
Super cheap it is.
It has been like awesome.
It has changed our world and Idon't know.
I think I've told on thepodcast, but like the first time
I discovered, like I've evenseen, a bidet.
I was in Kuwait city back whenI was in the Air Force.

Mike (48:45):
Oh, I didn't know that.

Josh (48:46):
By the way, if you're an American and you go to Kuwait,
they absolutely love you.
It's crazy, because weliberated them from the Iraqis
when the Iraqis came in, and soit's like one of the places in
the Middle East where everyone'slike.
You guys are awesome.
Thank you so much.

Mike (48:56):
So free bidets for the American Free bidets.

Josh (48:59):
So I'm a young, I'm a young, I'm a young airman at the
time, and I walk into this,this swanky hotel, and I've
never been in a swanky hotel mywhole life.
The military put us up therefor whatever reason.
And I go to my room and I lookdown and there's two toilets and
I'm like, huh, why is there twotoilets?
There's like a regular toiletthat looks normal.
And then there's this othertoilet and it's got a little

(49:21):
handle on the side.
And so I walk up and I'mstanding in front of it trying
to handle on it and I turn thehandle Right there, right in the
kisser.
It soaked me and I walkeddownstairs.
I only had one set of civilianclothes at the time, so I walked
downstairs completely soakedand my commanding officer is
like hey, airman, interesting,so you've discovered the bidet.

(49:42):
You've discovered the bidet.
I feel like, knew exactly whathad happened in no way.
What's that thing, what's itfor?
And then they told me I waslike huh, huh, and I just put it
.
I put it on the back burner andI didn't think about it until
about two months ago.
Oh wow, and I bought one.

Mike (49:57):
It's game changer.

Josh (50:00):
So I'll put a link in the box.

Mike (50:01):
Yeah To a bidet.

Josh (50:03):
I really recommend, dusty, that if you get anything out of
this podcast, spend the 40bucks.
40 bucks, 40 bucks.
Buy a bidet.
It'll change your life, Ipromise.

I've heard that before, not the first time.
No, I mean I mean other friendswho get bidets.
Like people who use bidets,talk about bidets.
It's a big deal.

Josh (50:23):
I've become that guy.
Yes, I'm like a big dayadvocate.
Maybe I should change thepodcast from mountain bikes to
bidets.

Mike (50:29):
It's probably get more listeners.

Josh (50:31):
I don't know we're going to lose our 18 to 27 year old
female demographic, that's forsure.
All right, man, I don't knowhow we've gotten so widely
wildly off topic.
We told you it was just aconversation.

Totally.

Josh (50:46):
Yeah, definitely just a conversation.
And you're probably sittingthere thinking to yourself wait
a minute, what happened to Dustyand Mike?
Well, let me explain what'sgoing on here.
Basically, what happened was wedid this recording with Dusty
and when Mike and I went backand listen to it, we quickly
determined that we actually hadtwo kind of distinctly different
topics.
And the first topic that youjust heard all about Dusty's

(51:09):
kind of foray and the BMX, hisbackground.
We learned about the bikes thathe's riding, type of tricks he
likes to do.
You know, just an awesome,awesome story with lots of
laughter.
We really enjoyed recording it.
Actually, we enjoyed the entirerecording.
We hope you enjoyed what youwere able to just listen to.
But the second half of thatrecording was a more serious

(51:32):
topic and that was where Dustywas sharing his mental health
journey with us and with you,and so we thought, after
reviewing it a few times, thatit would provide better access
to our listeners if we brokethis into two distinctly
different topics the first onehe just heard, the second one
where Dusty takes us through hismental health journey.

(51:53):
So, please, we released it thesame day so you can pop right
over if you're interested inthat topic and you can listen to
it.
It's a super inspiring storyhere about how Dusty's the
mental health journey that he'shad and the balance that he's
found and the techniques thathe's used.
We also mentioned in thatpodcast the crisis hotline of

(52:14):
988.
And so if you're havingstruggles or thoughts of suicide
or anything like that, pleasetext or call the crisis hotline
988 in the United States.
Thanks a lot for listening.
We appreciate all of ourlisteners and hope you're having
a great day.
All right, take care.

Mike (52:59):
Bye.

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