November 5, 2025 • 56 mins
Life is not merely a series of challenges to conquer; rather, it is an intricate dance to embrace, replete with its myriad twists, falls, and unexpected turns. In this enlightening discourse, we are graced by the presence of Sifu Boggie, a Daoist guide, healer, and storyteller, whose extensive journey through diverse disciplines and experiences instills a profound understanding of the natural flow of existence.
With over four decades of expertise in energy work and Eastern philosophy, Sifu Boggie deftly blends ancient wisdom with contemporary practices, empowering individuals to unlock their inherent healing potential. His approach encourages us to move beyond the notion of fixing oneself and instead focus on rediscovering our authentic selves, fostering a harmonious relationship with life’s ebb and flow. Join us as we delve into the transformative practices of Qi Gong, Tai Chi, and Daoist Shamanism, inviting you to embrace the adventure of life with renewed meaning and purpose.
Takeaways:
- Sifu Boggie emphasizes that life should not be viewed as a problem to solve, but rather as an adventure to embrace, inviting us to dance with its unpredictable nature.
- With over four decades of experience, Sifu Boggie integrates ancient Daoist wisdom into modern practices, such as Qi Gong and Tai Chi, to foster personal development and healing.
- The essence of Daoism is to thrive in any circumstance, and Sifu Boggie encourages individuals to unlock their own healing potential rather than seeking external fixes.
- A fundamental principle discussed is the interconnectedness of all beings, which suggests that our state of mind and body is influenced by our thoughts and feelings, highlighting the importance of mindfulness.
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Hey, one more thing before yougo. What if life wasn't something
to control, but something todance with? What if every twist,
every fall, every unexpectedturn was part of a greater flow?
Today, we're going to answerthese questions and so many more
as we are joined by someonewho's lived that truth across decades,
disciplines, and dimensions.And we're going to help you learn
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that dance to get your lifeinto that positive flow with within
meaning and purpose. I'm yourhost, Michael Hurst. Welcome to One
more thing before you go. SifuBoggie. He's a Taoist guide, a healer,
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and a storyteller. He invitesus to see life not as a problem to
solve, but as an adventure toembrace. With over 40 years of experience
and energy work in Easternphilosophy, he's trained by renowned
Taoist masters and blendsancient wisdom with modern life,
offering transformativepractices like qigong, tai chi, Taoist
shamanism, and Eastern Reiki.His journey spans roles as a close
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protection officer, pastrychef, and community support officer.
Embodying the Taoistprinciples of thriving in any circumstance.
Rather than fixing people,Sifu Boggi empowers individuals to
unlock their own healingpotential. His playful story, rich
teaching style makes complexideas accessible, guiding others
to rediscover their trueselves and embrace natural flow of
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life. With a deep belief inthe magic of everyday moments, he
invites us to challenge, tosee life not as a challenge, but
to conquer, as an adventureand to live life fully. Welcome to
the show, Sifu.
Well, to. What? Welcome. Well,thank you very much and welcome back.
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Yeah, yeah. But all of thosethings and above, I think the most
important question here isPastry chef, did we bring the pastries
this morning?
Well, funny enough, you cansay that I just actually made some
chocolate this afternoon. Imade walnut, cashew and cranberry
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chocolate for my partner andmyself because we do like. So I like
chocolate, but they neverquite quite love doing it the way
I like it. So I eat darkchocolate and. Yeah. And the fresh
ingredients. So we've got alittle bit of that. There's no actual
pastries here, but, yeah, it's.
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Oh, you're talking to aretired police sergeant. I. I am
a connoisseur of pastry donutsin any kind of pastry, actually.
So. Yeah, it's good. It'sgood. You've had an amazing journey
in life. You like to sharethat with everybody. So I like to
start at the beginning.Where'd you grow up? What was your
family like?
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Right, so. Well, I'm actuallyadopted, and I grew up in a place
Called Higgindon, the boroughof Hiddingen, which is in the outskirts
of London in the uk. And as Isaid I was adopted but it really
bothered me. But I'm actuallyhalf Irish, half Russian and born
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in London. There's a placecalled Whitechapel Hospital which
is basically the sound of theBow Bells which they call the East
End. So I'm actually a Cockneyor East Ender though I don't really
have the accent as such. Butso I grew up as a kid in Hillingdon
and I've always been a littlebit out there, a little bit different
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and I've just seen thedifferent perspective. I was later
to find I'm actually partautistic, part dyslexic and that
gave me that looking thingsout of, out of the box. But because
of that I got picked on as akid. You can't quite see them but
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rather, rather prominent earsthat people used to pick on when
I was younger. And so roundabout 10 years old, 11 years old,
I started a martial art. Andfor me the martial art I was very
lucky. Yes. And so I, I didn'tgo or I didn't find the normal martial
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arts. I found one bit like me,a little bit different, called Katie
Darts. And there was a martialside, but there was a lot about meditation
and about breathing and aboutfocusing. And later I learned that
actually martial arts in thewest we think it's about fighting,
but in the east it's all aboutpersonal development and about learning
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about oneself. When you learnabout yourself, you actually learn
about the universe. And so Istarted at around about 11 years
old and, and within that firstyear I actually met, through that
first martial arts I met whatwould eventually be my long term
sifu, two of them, sifu shunand sifu po and they were daoists
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and the dao means the way, thepart, the balance. And they were
very much in to what's calledqigong. Now if you heard of Tai chi
then qigong is the grandfatherof Tai chi. It's, it's the, it's,
it's the wise one, it's that,oh, it feels like my, my sh is just
broken on like on the camera.So, but it, so it was very much about
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like the qigong in is breathwork, moving with breath and it is,
there's a health side, there'sa fitness side, a martial side and
also a meditation side. And myteachers were very much the daoist.
The dao means the way, thepath, the balance. And it's actually
What Star wars was boastingthe daoism and chi and the yi and
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the yang, the light and thedark side and the force and within
the Daoism, it's all about thedao, the way, the path. And it's
also about the slow adaptinghearing. And my teachers very much
focused on everything youlearn enhances everything else you
do. So as I progressed throughmy life I started doing at 15, I
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wanted to be a baker and myseafood are excellent, bakers made
great masseuse. So from bakingI actually learned that kneading
the dough is very similar tomassage. And massage techniques in
massage are actuallytechniques that you would use in
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martial arts or holds andlocks. And then that massage could
actually affect the body in away that it can activate the endorphins.
So you can have spiritualrealization or past life realizations
or just a bit betterunderstanding yourself. So everything's
connected to everything else.So that journey started off from,
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you know, 11 years old and I,I've done close protection as I said,
part throat detection with my,with shilling, poke my seafoods and
same time I was learningbanking and eventually became a pastry
chef as well. And then lateron in my life in my, in my late 30s,
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I went into the British policeand as a role of pcso which is police
Community Support Officer andit's all about support, supporting
the, the police and it's all,all about crime prevention. So very
much about to the communityand one of my biggest preferences
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is proaction rather thanreaction. So you know, what can you,
what can you ensure, what canyou settle and, and fix before it
becomes a problem? And it's soit was a role that Rayma saw suited
what I did. And a few yearsago I sort of left that and moved
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to Lincolnshire in the ukwhich is sort of the middle of middle
of England. And I now with mypartner, she, she has nine acres
of land and we do weddingshere and events. And then I also
at the same time do my own, domassage as well as teaching tai chi,
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qigong both online and allaround the world.
That's amazing. You know, Ifind it, you know, fascinating. I
learned a long, long time agowhen I was younger as well. I started
learning Kung fu and thenmoved in. When I went into law enforcement,
they taught, I went to learnaikido and you know, aikido's the
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both of those everything thatyou just mentioned. I understand
the philosophies about allthat's connected and how the mind,
the body and the soul have toConnect in order to be able to achieve
either a defense, meditation,self healing and even as you say
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in the western side when theyfight. As a cop, I got into fights.
But I find it fascinating thatthis all comes from a Taoist lens.
What does embracing life'sadventure mean to a Taoist lens?
I mean, you mentioned how allthat brought together. He told you
about the baking, the massage,which I never thought about before.
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A baker would be a fantastic masseuse.
Yeah, it, well, it's sort ofin essence is that, you know, like
when you look at the bigpicture when we're kids, we see all
the awe and the wonder of theworld. You know, it's what, what
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I grew up as, learning thesacred child side. And we see all
these magic and mysticism andwe have these great adventures in
our heads and when we'regrowing up we get that narrowed adult
hinted, narrow field and oh,you have to focus on this, you've
got to focus on that. And theissue is that what happens at some
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point we disconnect. And oneof the disconnects is that that awe
and wonder. Whether you callit God, whether you call it, you
know, the universe, whetheryou call it banana, the everything
we are part of. And in, inquantum physics, we know that the
quantum field is the 99.9% ofan atom. So the empty space isn't
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entity, it's called quantumfield. And every atom is connected
to everything else. Well,we're, that we're full of atoms and
all our atoms connected to allthe other atoms. So we're all interconnected
and we're all one. But when weclose off, it was like a horse and
have chatters across our eyesand we narrow the field, we start
feeling empty, we startfeeling disconnected, we start feeling
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that things are not right. Andthen we start searching for the answers
through different things. Youknow, whether it's drugs or, or,
or, or sex or power. And youthink the goal is these certain things
when the goal is actually toexperience and learn and play and
understand and, and you know,enjoy, whatever that means to you.
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But it's this experience iswhat I sort of look for. And, and
like, you know, I teachcertain set of things. You know,
I, I, I teach the qigong, theenergy work, I teach the meditation,
which is also in Chinese andshen gong. I teach stretching, which
is nagong. But when you lookat nature, animals do that all the
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time. You, you, you, what ifyou've got a cat or a dog, when they
wake up in the morning, theystretch. When with you know, even
if they're, you know, 14 yearsold, you know, at some point in the
day, they have a mad, mad fiveminutes where they're running around
and causing mayhem or playingwith a ball. That's a qigong part.
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And then sometimes you'll justsit there staring into space. But
that's their meditation. Sonature has these things already programmed
into them. They know, theyunderstand that we need the action,
we need the stillness, we needplay. Now we, we sort of see these
things as separate or get alittle bit confused. But like in
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the concept daoism, you havethe masculine, which is the action,
the doing as well as, youknow, we see our just as matt male
but the masculine qualities,and everybody has masculine qualities.
That's all about your action,about getting things started. Being
feminine side is thenurturing, the loving, the keeping
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it going, maintaining. And thechild side is the play, the inspiration,
the ideas. So we all shouldtry to harness the masculine, the
feminine and the child. Andthat's, you know, that's a quality
that I very much respectivelythe child. Like, I'm always trying
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to make things a little bitsilly. I try to be a bit fun, like
because, because we focus toomuch on the serious and we focus
too much on, you know, oh,things have to be like this. You
have to understand that toallow things to play, you have to
allow things to flow and toallow them to flow things, like sometimes
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you just have to let things bewhat they are. And so yes, it is
good to, you know, have thingsand control things to a degree. But
you need to be spontaneous aswell. You need to allow things to
just, just be what they are.And the whole idea for me is I'm
not in one box. It's very hardto put me in a box because I have
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a tendency to break myself outof it. But the idea is that this,
you are more than one person.You're more than just a mother or
a father. You're more thanjust just a worker or a retired.
You're more than this, you'remore than that. You're so, so many
things. And it's understandingthat you are those things and then
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it's also understanding you'remore than that because people label
themselves as, oh, I'm old,you know, I'm 18 because I'm old.
That's nonsense. I've seen 90year olds that were in their 30s
in China. I saw 90 year oldsthat were putting me to shame, that
made me look unfit, you know,and it's the state of mind and through
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epigenetics, which is allabout the way you think and feel
affects your physical health.So you can change the way you think,
that change the way you feel,that changes the way you are will
help. So things should bealtered and changed. And the biggest
thing I will always say isyou're never too old, you know, never
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say you're never too old. My,my. And one of my examples to that
is the oldest person I taughtQigong was 96. He was 96 years old
when he started learningqigong with me. And his wife had
died a couple years before andhe, his daughter was very worried
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about him. She'd been doingqigong with me for a couple years
and he had sort of given up.And we started off with seated qigong.
We were just doing seatedmovements, small little movements.
We slowly built up and builtup and he lived for another 10 years.
He extended his own lifethrough finding new passions and
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new loves. He extended his ownLife for another 10 years. And I've
seen lots of little miracleslike that. I've seen people or told
they never walk again orthey'll always have to have a BE
on the zimmer frame. And I'veseen them do this. Now people say,
oh, you did it wasn't me. Youtook those exercises, you took that
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knowledge and you ran with it.And you, I'm just sifu. Sifu just
means guide. Somebody points afinger towards the moon or towards
that goal and guide you onyour path like a news. That's what
I am. I'm not a master. I'mnot telling you what to do. I'll
help you along the way. Youare the seep of your own life. You
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are the sea of your ownadventures. And you have the capability
of doing whatever you want,however big it is. Remember, Rome
wasn't built in a day. He wasbuilt one brick at a time. And you
know, all that journey is justone step. Start off with that one
step, just one step, thenanother, then another, then another.
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And before long you're on thatpath. And it's the journey that's
important, not always thedestination. It's the journey.
Profound, profound words ofwisdom. And what an amazing opportunity
that 96 year old had torealize that life wasn't done yet
and that he still had more togive and more to experience. So that's.
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Yeah, that makes my heart feelgood, you know, that you're able
to reach somebody at that ageand at that point, because again,
age, as you said, I love it,it's just great. Age, Age is only
determined by how we feelabout ourselves. Sometimes we have
little obstacles we have toovercome, sometimes we get little
bumps in the road. But I loveit. It's the way, it's the way it
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should go. Do you think you'reyour contribution to law enforcement?
You know, in, in the way thatyou had done and, and your, even
as a patriot chef, did thathelp you understand flow and adaptation
like we just talked about?Because I mean those are two extremes
of, of jobs and I think wehave to have a balance.
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I. Yeah, I mean it was verymuch when I, when I worked in the
Met, things worked out things,things are very much set in a certain
way and very much in a box andthings are very much in certain part.
And it was, it was good, itwas good getting good structure,
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but it was also good aboutpatience. It taught me patience because
when the way things are,people perceive things in a certain
way and, or like theyperceived the, the certain people.
Because in the role I was, youknow, in the role of. I wasn't a
police officer though. If likein the uk if, you know, if somebody
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tried to assault me, I canmake a citizens arrest, you know,
I can defend myself. I wasthere, you know, I had a radio. If,
if a. I dealt a lot of thetime, I think a lot of people think
as a piece of shit, oh youknow, you don't have any powers.
You're, you know, you're,you're, you're nobody. But I still
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dealt with people with knives.I still dealt with people who threatened
me. And, and the interestingthing was is that they would say
you get other people say youonly in this job for the power. It's
like I was a protectionofficer. Well, I got the millionaires
and, and, and you know, likeI'm flying around with jets. I'm.
I'm sitting on the biketalking to you in the heating down
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rain. I'm not here for thepower. I'm here. I'm here because
I'm, I'm doing a role and youknow, I was helping people and that's
what it was more about. It wasfor me, it was about helping people
in a certain way. And itdefinitely, it definitely gave me
perspective, it definitelygave me a role where people see,
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you know, somebody can see auniform and go, that's this, it's
like somebody behind thatuniform there's some, you know, there's
a person with their ownproblems, with their own things they're
going through in their ownlife. And, and you know the funny
thing Was is for a lot of theofficers. I was their. Their back
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guy, you know, because, youknow, because they're wearing the.
The. The stab best or the, thebulletproof jacket. It was very stiff
and it would make you know, itwould affect a lot of their shoulders
and backs. So I be. Mynickname in the job was Kung Fu Panda.
So be because of the fact I. Idid martial arts and I loved food
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and I was a bit big and so IKung Fu Panda. So a lot of people
call me Panda. Lot of theofficers behind closed doors, Japan.
My back sort my back out.Okay, come here then. And so it was
that whole thing of, you know,yeah, you saw things a different
way. And of course you had thebanter in. In when we were in the
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station you had the banterwhatnot. But when we're out the street
we would act in a certain wayand we'd be the same way. But I always
try to do a little bit humor.I always should try to be the person.
There was a lot of the timewhere, where people would gravitate
to me because of being new. Ohyeah, that's. That piece is so bright.
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And yeah, doctor here, he'sall right. He is. He's okay. Or he
looks after Mrs. Miggins downthe road, you know. So it. That was
the thing I went for and itwas. It was being able to help people.
It's a little bit like being aninja is that I am seeing things
from a different perspective.A uniform and people are seeing one
thing and yet sub. I would saya certain thing or a certain way
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and they go, oh, I neverthought of it like that. Or you know,
and it's. They're notexpecting it and it's. It's a way
of. You know, not all Sifuswear. Wear robes. Not. Not all Seafus
are. Are called Sifu. Youknow, everyone is a Sifu. Everyone
is teacher guide. Everythingaround you teaches you. Because everything's
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talking to you all the time.The whole universe is talking to
you. All you got to do is listen.
Yep, I agree 100%. I thinkthat once we understand that we have
the opportunity to connectwith the universe in such a way that
we just have to listen andopen our eyes because it's all around
us and that harmony, that flowwill come to us naturally. You know,
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I bring back the. Even withthe double edged sword of COVID Excuse
me, we had a minute of brief.What the heck. Covid was a double
edged sword because Covid puteverybody to a stop. And when you
stop, then you had to think,because what you brought up earlier
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in the conversation abouteverybody has this expectation. You
get up, you go to work, youspend all day at work, you stop for
lunch and then you go back towork and then you come home, you
have dinner, you watch tv, yougo to bed, you get back up, you go
to work. Same thing every day.And that's what you were destined
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to do. And people get in thatrut. But Covid allowed us to take
a break and say we need moreof a balance. We need to go back.
My wife got to work from homefor two years. She normally drives
to work 45 minutes to an hourin horrendous traffic. And it was
nice because she had a 30minute commute to the back patio
where we had a cup of tea, wewatched the sunrise, we took a breath,
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we connected with nature. Itstarted our day so much better. And
then when she was done, we gotto eat lunch together. Every day.
Work commute home was 30seconds from the, from the, from
the, the, the desk to back outon the patio again before the sun
went down or whatever the casemay be. We got more balance. We got
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more balance. Do you thinkqigong? And you have to help me with
titar. I'm not familiar withtitar. Is that of any relation to
qigong or is that something alittle bit different than qigong?
So one thing I, I just quicklywant to say is like, with COVID is
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like there's a Dallas, verysimple Dallas philosophy. There is
no good or bad. There just is.And everything, you know, there is,
you know, there's always twosides. And the whole thing of when
one thing in my practice thatyou learn to do is to go back and
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meditate on your life and seelike, like the worst. Like when my
father died. Yes, my fatherdied. But what came from that, you
know, from the downs. There'salways an up from this, you know,
and, and all like my dad hadcancer, had throat cancer. And for
15 years he went, went tosleep the cancer. And, and everybody's
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really surprised. The doctorswere really surprised because, because
normally five years is, is thelittle bit. And he, for 15 years
he, you know, he was fine. Andthen Covid came and his cats came
back and then suddenly he wasterminal. And it's like, focus on
the now you're here now. Let'sfocus on that. Let's focus on the
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good thing. That's focused andit's, it's. And you short said it
is that what Kobe did was thatit flipped people's perspective it
gave them. When before COVID alot of people would say, I wish I
had more time to spend with mykids. Surprise. Or I wish I had more
time to do this. I wish I hadmore, you know, I wish I had friends
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who were advocates of workingat home before COVID that was never
going to happen. Societybeautifully, society would never
let it happen. Now each 50,50, you know, there's a lot of businesses
that will literally, you know,focus on that. So everything is perspective,
everything is about, you know,there's, it's no good or bad, it
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just is. You've got to look atboth sides, right? So to answer your
question, so TikTok, so TikTokis basically Chinese osteopath, so
Chinese osteopathicchiropractor. And again to answer
the question is that withinthe Taoist perspective, everything
leads to something else. Soqigong is energy exercise or breath
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work. And qigong can beanything in movement, moving with
breath. So anything can be aqigong. It's about being mindful
about, about those movements.So you could just literally be sitting
in your seat listening orwatching to me. Breathing in and
let your whole body expand,breathing out and then let your body
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relax and settle down. Notquite, not slump, but just settle
back to a nice comfortableposture. So breathe in, expand, breathe
out, reset, even expand,breathe out, reset. And you're already
doing qigong. You're doing assimple as that or breathing in and
you know, moving the hand outto get a cup of tea, breathing out,
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drawing the cup to your, toyour lips, having a sip, breathing
in, grieving out, putting thecup back down again, you're doing
qigong. So from there, soqigong is moving exercise. Now in
that big umbrella, there'slots of different storms. Tai Chi,
that name a lot of peopleheard of, Tai chi is a style of qigong.
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It's one of the many styles.And the biggest thing with qigong
or for me I always promoteqigong is like massage. It's self
massage. The movements that wedo helps you massage your own body
and relaxate relaxation nowfrom one side. So the qigong is the
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action, the moving side. Youthen got tui na, which is a style
of massage which has qigongset into it. So the practitioners
themselves are doing a styleof qigong and massaging your body
at the same time and helpingyou relax. So it's something that's
done to you. And then the ticktock is like also intertwined into
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the tweener and the tikta isback correction but the best way,
when you have a creaky door,the worst thing to do is I've got
a door behind me for thoselistening to this. But that, that
door, if that's creaky andmusty, the worst thing to do would
be to yank it open because youprobably break the hinges, guys,
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you've got some oil and thenyou was to oil the hinges, you would,
then the door would open quitesmoothly and it wouldn't crook. So
tick toe. What they do inosteopath and chiropractor, they
tend to manipulate and tomanipulate or push onto the joints
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of their spray to put themback in alignment. What tikta does,
it massages first and it oilsthose vertebrae, oils those joints
first. So then we do thecorrection inside. There's less resistance,
there's, there's less fightingof the joints, so there's less creaky
door. So the whole point ofthat tar is that it's actually we
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massage first and then we, wecan then correct. Now the interesting
thing in qigong, a lot ofpeople will do the qigong will do
certain exercises and they'llsay, oh, I just clicked something.
Just clicked. It's like, yeah,you're affecting your own back, you're
correcting your own posture.And that's what we're actually meant
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to do. Like qigong is greatand ch and all these things I do
are awesome for me. But youcan find your own version, you know,
like nae gong, which meansstrengthening exercise. When we stretch
the body, we stretch the mindbecause we stretch the tendons. And
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when we stretch the tendons,there is tension within the tendons
and toxins. And by stretchingthose toxins are released, you fluff
them out your body. And in theEastern philosophy that the tendons
is where negative emotionalenergy is stored. So when you stretch
your body, that's why you feelbetter, because you're releasing
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those toxins from your bodyand movement enhances your chi. So
the biggest thing work for alot of people with mobility issues
and also things likefibromyalgia, which is chronic pain
and Ms. And me is that theybecome more and more stick because
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their body is sort of, theirnerves are heightened and everything
is painful and they stiffenup, become more and more stiff. And
that is actually encouragingmore illness, it's actually encouraging
more disease. So that what wedo at qigong is to make movement
gentle and flowing and softand a bit like having that rusty
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door, a dirty plate. If yougently put the water over the plate,
the dirt slowly disappears.And slowly slides off. And so the
chance qigong is like oilingthat door or the water, putting water
over your body, it's gentlystarting to increase blood flow,
increase the, reducing thetension in the muscles, stretching
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the tendons. And it'sincreasing blood flow, oxygen flow,
white blood cells, immunity.And then we also say improving the
Qi. So movement increases.When you increase the movement, you
increase the blood flow, theoxygen flow, she flow, you increase
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yourself back to health.
Which I think is a. I mean,it's an amazing analogy, by the way,
the way that you said togetherbetween the door. Because I. Sometimes
I feel like that creaky door,you know, and sometimes I feel like
the dirty dish. So takingthat, I think that you, you. It allows
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us. From what I understandfrom what you're trying to say is
there's a difference betweenfixing someone and guiding them to
heal from within. In bothqigong and Tatar can allow us to
heal from within and that youguide us to that. Correct?
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Yeah, yeah, it's very, it'svery much. Well, yeah, but the guy,
you know, so, so these thingsare also one of the biggest things
in qigong and tai chiespecially is that is about listening.
And the more you listen toyour own body, you'll actually, you
know, you'll know what youneed. You know, any, any. If you,
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if you're a lady, you've hadchildren, we know, like mums who
wanted us when they werepregnant, wanted to eat a bit of
coal or they wanted to eatpickled, pickled onions and strawberries
because their body cravedthose things. Well, ironically enough,
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our bodies instinctively havethat there were things that we will
naturally crave when we're ina flowing state. We crave the things
we need. Now sometimes whathappens when we're in a negative
plate, we crave the thingsthat will actually slow us down.
And it's about gettingyourself back into this state of
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listening to your body andlistening. And one of the biggest
things we don't understand, alot of people don't understand, is
that you can actually feelyour own organs. You can feel your
body inside. You can feel thattension, that pain is for, for, for
virtual. I haven't got muchto. But it's a bit like a flag, you
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know, it's like a flag wavingin the wind. The pain is an indicator.
It's telling you there's aproblem. Now what happened, what's
happened in modern society, wefocus so much on the flag and not
actually what it's trying tosay. And just the issue is like the
Pain. The pain is the effect.There is a cause. And what happens
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in medicine, in modernmedicine, what seems to have happened
is that we focus far too muchon the call, on the effect side,
not the cause. So in theEastern approach, listening to your
own body, you can actuallyfeel where that tension is. You can
feel where you're stiff andaching, where you hurt. The more
you can relax, the more youcan let go and just allow yourself
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to move and twist and turn andjust breathe, the more you can affect
that. And there's a. There's awonderful Dallas poem that says the
way you. The way you breatheaffects who you are. And what it
means is that if you breathefast, erratic, shallow, and quick,
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your thoughts, your feelings,your actions will be fast, erratic,
shallow, and quick. But if youcan focus on breathing slowly and
smoothly and quietly, yourthoughts start to become slow and
smooth. Your actions, yourfeelings start to slow down and start
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to smooth out, and things willget quiet. And the way you think
and the way you feel affectswho you are. So when we. When we
see an illness and we say, I'mthis. You know, I got this, it's
that we're seeing ourselves asthat thing, and it's like, you're
not that. You're so much morethan that. And. And you can let that
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go and actually change thingsand alter things. And, you know,
not everybody gets it right.You know, the. The medical profession
brushed off their feet, youknow, in a lot of countries, and.
And they see things in acertain way. But if you look up epigenetics
and look up Dr. Bruce Liptonand Joe Dispenser, the. These people
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have studied the science ofthe way we think and feel affects
our physical health, and theyunderstand that. They know that we're
science so much more than itsphysical body. You know, there's.
There's even science to provethat our soul or consciousness is
actually on the outside and itcomes into this body. When they've
done MRI scans or they'relooking at where thoughts were coming
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from, it appeared to be cominginto the body rather than being located
somewhere. So we're so muchmore than this body. You know, we're
so much more. And all you'vegot to do is to allow yourself to
play with that idea, allowyourself to play, be a child again.
You know, a lot of people talkabout the divine feminine or the
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vine masculine, the sacredchild is really important. That idea
of play, that idea of what if.That, you know, like, what if I could
make myself better? What if Icould, you know, not be that disease
and. And be me or be more thanthat disease. What if. And it's coming
from that. You can thenexplore all these different avenues.
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That's brilliant. Brilliant. Imean, I agree with you a thousand
percent. Once we learned. Ittook me to learn. I had to learn
it. You know, I sat in awheelchair for four years feeling
sorry for myself and angry andresentful and you name it, until
my. My daughter leaned down infront of me and said, I want you
to walk me down the aisle. Iknow you can do it. And from that
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point forward, it got me outof there and I haven't looked back
since. And I used acombination of. Even when they tried
to give me the drugs, my wifecouldn't attest to this. They kept
trying to bring me Vicodin andcodeine. And I said, I don't want
it. And she would doacupuncture on me. She got trained
with some acupuncture. We doacupuncture. We do juices. She'd
bring me juices to thehospital. Hospital. And then I would
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Qigong walk. I get emotional.Sorry. I. When I. When the physical
therapist would come in.Qigong walk. And I did this and I
did this and I did this. And Ihealed up six weeks before the average
individual doing it. I wasthe. Without being gross. The nurse,
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every time she came in tocheck my urine, she said, you got
the cleanest urine. I said,because I'm just drinking water and
green tea and juices while I'mhere and so forth. There's a connection
that we. Like you said, I haveto validate that for you, that you
need to listen to your body.When your body tells you something,
you have the opportunity tomove past what you're experiencing.
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And I did it. You can do it.And I've walked 1.6, 1.7 million
steps in the last year when Iwas told by five doctors I wouldn't.
So, yes, I believe ineverything that Jesus said and I
appreciate the way youpresented it. That's brilliant. Do
you think we as people canfind magic in everyday moments like
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that?
You know what? I'm going to dothe unthinkable. I'm going to bring
back Covid again. I thinksomething writes that was, for me,
like a lot of people saw thedarkness of. Was interesting in.
In. In. That was in 2019 oh,2020 is going to be a wonderful year.
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And it's going to be magic andfairies and roses and. And I said,
yeah, that'd be really cool,but I Don't think so. I actually
think or I felt some things. Isaw that, that, that yes, eventually
things would. There'd be greatchange in the world. There's going
to be a turmoil. That. Fromthat, from that adversity comes opportunity.
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And that's. That is a veryTaoist saying. And I think the idea.
It's funny. I've had. In thelast. In the last 30 years, I've
had. My best friend died ofleukemia. Another friend who died
of kidney cancer. My father,as I said earlier. So after 15 years
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of it, as I call it, beingsleeping, then the throat cancer
came back. And if I learnedanything in. And my. My best friend
was the first one to say tome, he said, boggy, because that's
what he knew me as, boggy. Andhe said, boggy, never take anything
for granted. Live everymoment. You know, like I have this
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luck because he was basicallydiagnosed with leukemia and a year
later he passed. And everysingle moment of that year, he lived
it. Lived it to the fullest.He did everything he could. We did
some crazy stuff. And it'sabout living because you don't know
what to master and bring, youknow, like in. In. In 2019, we didn't
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know that. That the world wasgoing to go into lockdown. You don't
know what's going to happentomorrow. So why. But don't worry
about it, because worryingabout it is like trying to adjust
a wing mirror when you'redriving down the car and there's
a deer in front of you. That'snot going to do any good. Get your
hands on the wheel and suck afreaking car action. Doing something,
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but also living it. You know,enjoy your life. Find. Find things.
What is it that you want todo? What is your passion? Do it.
Even if it's the five minutesa day, do it. Start off small and
build it up. And that's whatwe spend so much time. I've seen
so many people worrying aboutthings, worry. And a Dallas poem
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says that worry createstension in the mind, which creates
tension in the body. Tensioncreates illness, and illness eventually
leads to death. So why worry?Because it will kill you. So. And
then it also says, well,worry. If you're worrying about something
that was in the past, it's inthe past. Why are you worrying about
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it? If you're worrying aboutsomething that's in the future, it's
in the future. Why are youworrying about it? If you worrying
about something you can dosomething about, don't worry about
it. Do what you got to do. Ifyou're worrying about something that
there is nothing that youcould do about it, what are you worrying
there's nothing you can do.Live in the now, focus on what you
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can do. Don't worry about whatyou can't. And it all actually leads
me straight back into myteachers should and Po I very much
learned that philosophy on ariver in China where we've been training.
And they said both of themactually Po Anchin said we want you
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to learn about letting go.Okay, Sifu. What. What does that
mean? And they. One of themstruck me with like a punch punch
and I would fly into theriver. So I was in this river and
I swam out and came back tothe side really tired because it's
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real strong river and I likego back onto the side and shouldn't.
My se shook his head say no,try again. And he punched me again.
And I went flying back intothat river. And this time I was so
tired, you know, I. I wasexhausted. I couldn't. I couldn't
fight that stream again. That,that sorry that river, I couldn't
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fight it. So I just relaxed. Ithought well you gotta take me, take
me. And because I relaxed, Ifloated and eventually it went push
me down down the stream ordown the river and it pushed me back
up on onto the bank and thatthen my chief went ah, now you have
learned FL flow and it's allabout that sometimes in life rather
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than worrying about stuff,just live in that moment, enjoy what
you've got right now, make thebest out of what you have. And everything
is possible is. Is like for mewhen I was in. When I was a kid I
have flat feet. And I was toldby the doctors that there was. I
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had what had a few drewmartial arts. I was broken some bones
of my feet. And they would saybecause my feet were spreading out
that by the time I get to 30I'd probably be in a wheelchair.
And there is an operation thatI could have. But the operation there
was as much chances of thatoperation put me in the wheelchair
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as it was correcting my feet.So I said no, you know, I didn't
want to. And fortunately, youknow, my parents listened about 15,
16 and years later in icehockey, I was in ice hockey and I
went to hospital over instantwhere I pulled my ankle and when
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they x rayed my feet, 99% ofthe bones got little tiny bones in
your feet. And 99 of the bonesin my feet were broken in both foots.
And the doctors kept sayingare you okay? Are you in pain, it's
like, what's going on, whatyou know, just come out of it. And
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so. But in both your feet, allthe bones are broken in your feet,
all shattered. You should bein agony, you know, you shouldn't
be walking. Why are youwalking? Because I can. Because I
put one foot in front of theother. Are you in pain? No, because.
Because I've learned pain isjust a signal. And you can turn that
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signal off, you canacknowledge that and you can go past
it. The body is new to listento you, not the other way around.
You can actually guide yourbody. You're the, you're the seafood
for your body. And you cancontrol it and you can and learn
not control, but you canadhere to it and you can guide it
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in a way that it works. And itall starts off with breath. It all
starts off with understanding.The way you think and feel affects
the way you, you are and whoyou are. So don't worry so much.
Let go. You know, like ifyou've got 500 worries, well, they
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don't still be there tomorrow.Go and enjoy yourself today. Or,
you know, take some time offbecause otherwise those 500 worries
are just going to bury you.Let go. Go with the flow. But is
any good D say, hey, what do I know?
You know, it's, it's. I, Iwill. Those are still brilliant words
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of wisdom. Life can change inan instant. That's a lesson that
I teach on one more thingbefore you go. Because I learned
that through my personal lifeand my professional life. Life can
change in an instant and youshould embrace life. So we, we have
that mutual message fromdifferent, different perspective.
But yes, it, it's, it's livelife. Live, live. Don't give up.
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Live. Move forward. You'reknown for your playful teaching style.
I love the humorous story. I'msorry I had to smile when you said
he punched you and you wentoff the boat and had to come back.
And then he says, nope, tryagain. I've heard that so many times.
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It was the third. The river.It was, it was on, on, on the side
of the river. Yeah, he did.Like if, if you ever see Bruce Lee,
like the one inch punch, itwould basically, he's called Far
Gene. Explosive power. And Iactually grew up getting a lot of
those hits with my seafood.You asked too many questions or you
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didn't practice enough or youwere, you were smiling too much.
That was me. Then you'd get,you'd get a little flick. But by
the time I was 20, it was aSteel bar around the back of the
head. But people go, oh, youknow, oh, that's terrible. It's like,
maybe you're missing the pointbecause I learned, you know, like
in judo and Aikido, you learnhow to fold, but also how to be thrown
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and you learn how to land soit doesn't hurt. And so when it doesn't
hurt and, and that. So thewhole punching thing was all about
pain. Doesn't hurt. You know,we think it should hurt so it hurts.
But, but if you, you know,there's, they've done experiments
where, where, you know, they,they, they've, they've had a dummy
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arm and a mirror and someone'spoking the, the pins into the dummy
arm and being like, oh, oh,oh. And it's like, but that's not
your arm, you know, and it'slike. And we're, we're perceive.
What we perceive is real. Andthat's a real, that's a big thing
that perception is, is yourreality is that if you perceive a
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problem to be real, it isreal. This is where phobias come.
And so it's this understep.But if you can see something as a
problem, you can then see itnot as a problem. You know, you can
switch. This is where I wouldlike people to focus, is that knowing
and understanding this, we canchange our perception and change
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our reality.
Right. And, and I think youpresent a magnificent opportunity
for people to learn how to beable to reach within ourselves, how
to learn Qigong in piktar.
Yeah.
You give us a wonderfulopportunity to learn how to listen
to our bodies, how to heal,how to live with presence, how to
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learn how to balance our mind,body and our soul, how to control
these, these aspects withinourselves that are telling us that
we are not good enough. We'renot. We're not able to. Or shut those
off. How does somebody reachyou to learn Qigong and tiktar and,
and so many things that you teach.
Well, you can find me underSifubogi, which is S I F u B O W
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G I E on Instagram, TikTok,Facebook and other. And other places
as well. And then there is myschool, which is studentdao IO. So
well, it'll be written in thenotes. S h u n D A O dot or sorry
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dot uscream IO I forgot theuseful bit. Birdseeping and it is,
it's a sort of like a crossbetween Netflix and Facebook where
there's lots of differentvideos. And then we also have the.
We also have live Classes thatare done every week. And if you get
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to to do the live class,that's awesome. But the whole thing
of the videos is that when youlike watch that class, you can actually
comment. And when you do thatcomment, I read all the comments
and like if you say seafood,like you mentioned this, but what
about, you know, you mentionedthis, this qigong does headaches.
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But what about if you haveearache or what. What about my elbow?
What about. What about myshoulder? And then I can either redirect
you to a class that alreadyexists or the next class I create,
I will have you in mind and Iwill do an extra a technique for
your situation. So the wholepoint of Shindell, it's the flowing
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way. Shun means to flow withfold and down means to wait the path
of balance. So it's theflowing way. So the whole idea is
that even the school isinteractive. It's about you communicating
with me, me communicating withyou and us learning together. So
that interests you. Like Isaid, can find me on Facebook, Instagram,
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Tik Tok, YouTube, but you canalso just look up shouldn'tow USC
IO and you'll find me there.
And I'll make sure that allthat's in the show notes and on the
web page so that they haveeasy way to connect with you. And
there are some free videos onthere as well. I. I perused them
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myself. And there's a lot ofopportunity for you to kind of get
an introduction into some ofthese philosophies and practices
that we've just talked about.This is one more thing before you
go. I could talk for anotherhour, maybe two. This is one more
thing before you go. Do youhave any words of wisdom you can
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share about us living in thepresent from a daoist perspective?
Breathe, breathe from thebelly. So when you breathe in, let
the belly expand. When youbreathe out, pull the belly in. When
you. When you breathe in, letfill yourself up with light. Fill
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yourself up and let yourselfglow. So when you breathe in, let
yourself glow. And when youbreathe out, breathe out. The stress,
the worry, the tension. Sobreathe in, let yourself glow. Breathe
out and let go shakes go.
Brilliant words of wisdom.Brilliant words of wisdom. Sifu,
thank you very much forguiding us on this journey today.
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Thank you very much forsharing your wisdom, your experience
and everything you have tooffer to help us better ourselves.
I am grateful that you're here.
I'm very grateful to be here.Thank you very much.
As we close, let's pause for amoment. What if the adventure is
an out out there, but in here,in the way we breathe, listen and
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show up for ourselves andothers. Sifu Bogi reminds us that
healing isn't a destination,it's a rhythm, a dance between the
seen and the unseen, betweeneffort and surrender. So take the
moment, live life for thesecond. Enjoy life because it can
change in an instant andembrace. That's a wrap for today's
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Hey, one more thing before yougo. What if life wasn't something
to control, but something todance with? What if every twist,
every fall, every unexpectedturn was part of a greater flow?
Today, we're going to answerthese questions and so many more
as we are joined by someonewho's lived that truth across decades,
disciplines, and dimensions.And we're going to help you learn
(00:22):
that dance to get your lifeinto that positive flow with within
meaning and purpose. I'm yourhost, Michael Hurst. Welcome to One
more thing before you go. SifuBoggie. He's a Taoist guide, a healer,
(00:46):
and a storyteller. He invitesus to see life not as a problem to
solve, but as an adventure toembrace. With over 40 years of experience
and energy work in Easternphilosophy, he's trained by renowned
Taoist masters and blendsancient wisdom with modern life,
offering transformativepractices like qigong, tai chi, Taoist
shamanism, and Eastern Reiki.His journey spans roles as a close
(01:13):
protection officer, pastrychef, and community support officer.
Embodying the Taoistprinciples of thriving in any circumstance.
Rather than fixing people,Sifu Boggi empowers individuals to
unlock their own healingpotential. His playful story, rich
teaching style makes complexideas accessible, guiding others
to rediscover their trueselves and embrace natural flow of
(01:36):
life. With a deep belief inthe magic of everyday moments, he
invites us to challenge, tosee life not as a challenge, but
to conquer, as an adventureand to live life fully. Welcome to
the show, Sifu.
Well, to. What? Welcome. Well,thank you very much and welcome back.
(01:57):
Yeah, yeah. But all of thosethings and above, I think the most
important question here isPastry chef, did we bring the pastries
this morning?
Well, funny enough, you cansay that I just actually made some
chocolate this afternoon. Imade walnut, cashew and cranberry
(02:18):
chocolate for my partner andmyself because we do like. So I like
chocolate, but they neverquite quite love doing it the way
I like it. So I eat darkchocolate and. Yeah. And the fresh
ingredients. So we've got alittle bit of that. There's no actual
pastries here, but, yeah, it's.
(02:39):
Oh, you're talking to aretired police sergeant. I. I am
a connoisseur of pastry donutsin any kind of pastry, actually.
So. Yeah, it's good. It'sgood. You've had an amazing journey
in life. You like to sharethat with everybody. So I like to
start at the beginning.Where'd you grow up? What was your
family like?
(03:00):
Right, so. Well, I'm actuallyadopted, and I grew up in a place
Called Higgindon, the boroughof Hiddingen, which is in the outskirts
of London in the uk. And as Isaid I was adopted but it really
bothered me. But I'm actuallyhalf Irish, half Russian and born
(03:25):
in London. There's a placecalled Whitechapel Hospital which
is basically the sound of theBow Bells which they call the East
End. So I'm actually a Cockneyor East Ender though I don't really
have the accent as such. Butso I grew up as a kid in Hillingdon
and I've always been a littlebit out there, a little bit different
(03:49):
and I've just seen thedifferent perspective. I was later
to find I'm actually partautistic, part dyslexic and that
gave me that looking thingsout of, out of the box. But because
of that I got picked on as akid. You can't quite see them but
(04:10):
rather, rather prominent earsthat people used to pick on when
I was younger. And so roundabout 10 years old, 11 years old,
I started a martial art. Andfor me the martial art I was very
lucky. Yes. And so I, I didn'tgo or I didn't find the normal martial
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arts. I found one bit like me,a little bit different, called Katie
Darts. And there was a martialside, but there was a lot about meditation
and about breathing and aboutfocusing. And later I learned that
actually martial arts in thewest we think it's about fighting,
but in the east it's all aboutpersonal development and about learning
(04:54):
about oneself. When you learnabout yourself, you actually learn
about the universe. And so Istarted at around about 11 years
old and, and within that firstyear I actually met, through that
first martial arts I met whatwould eventually be my long term
sifu, two of them, sifu shunand sifu po and they were daoists
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and the dao means the way, thepart, the balance. And they were
very much in to what's calledqigong. Now if you heard of Tai chi
then qigong is the grandfatherof Tai chi. It's, it's the, it's,
it's the wise one, it's that,oh, it feels like my, my sh is just
broken on like on the camera.So, but it, so it was very much about
(05:47):
like the qigong in is breathwork, moving with breath and it is,
there's a health side, there'sa fitness side, a martial side and
also a meditation side. And myteachers were very much the daoist.
The dao means the way, thepath, the balance. And it's actually
What Star wars was boastingthe daoism and chi and the yi and
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the yang, the light and thedark side and the force and within
the Daoism, it's all about thedao, the way, the path. And it's
also about the slow adaptinghearing. And my teachers very much
focused on everything youlearn enhances everything else you
do. So as I progressed throughmy life I started doing at 15, I
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wanted to be a baker and myseafood are excellent, bakers made
great masseuse. So from bakingI actually learned that kneading
the dough is very similar tomassage. And massage techniques in
massage are actuallytechniques that you would use in
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martial arts or holds andlocks. And then that massage could
actually affect the body in away that it can activate the endorphins.
So you can have spiritualrealization or past life realizations
or just a bit betterunderstanding yourself. So everything's
connected to everything else.So that journey started off from,
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you know, 11 years old and I,I've done close protection as I said,
part throat detection with my,with shilling, poke my seafoods and
same time I was learningbanking and eventually became a pastry
chef as well. And then lateron in my life in my, in my late 30s,
(07:48):
I went into the British policeand as a role of pcso which is police
Community Support Officer andit's all about support, supporting
the, the police and it's all,all about crime prevention. So very
much about to the communityand one of my biggest preferences
(08:09):
is proaction rather thanreaction. So you know, what can you,
what can you ensure, what canyou settle and, and fix before it
becomes a problem? And it's soit was a role that Rayma saw suited
what I did. And a few yearsago I sort of left that and moved
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to Lincolnshire in the ukwhich is sort of the middle of middle
of England. And I now with mypartner, she, she has nine acres
of land and we do weddingshere and events. And then I also
at the same time do my own, domassage as well as teaching tai chi,
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qigong both online and allaround the world.
That's amazing. You know, Ifind it, you know, fascinating. I
learned a long, long time agowhen I was younger as well. I started
learning Kung fu and thenmoved in. When I went into law enforcement,
they taught, I went to learnaikido and you know, aikido's the
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both of those everything thatyou just mentioned. I understand
the philosophies about allthat's connected and how the mind,
the body and the soul have toConnect in order to be able to achieve
either a defense, meditation,self healing and even as you say
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in the western side when theyfight. As a cop, I got into fights.
But I find it fascinating thatthis all comes from a Taoist lens.
What does embracing life'sadventure mean to a Taoist lens?
I mean, you mentioned how allthat brought together. He told you
about the baking, the massage,which I never thought about before.
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A baker would be a fantastic masseuse.
Yeah, it, well, it's sort ofin essence is that, you know, like
when you look at the bigpicture when we're kids, we see all
the awe and the wonder of theworld. You know, it's what, what
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I grew up as, learning thesacred child side. And we see all
these magic and mysticism andwe have these great adventures in
our heads and when we'regrowing up we get that narrowed adult
hinted, narrow field and oh,you have to focus on this, you've
got to focus on that. And theissue is that what happens at some
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point we disconnect. And oneof the disconnects is that that awe
and wonder. Whether you callit God, whether you call it, you
know, the universe, whetheryou call it banana, the everything
we are part of. And in, inquantum physics, we know that the
quantum field is the 99.9% ofan atom. So the empty space isn't
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entity, it's called quantumfield. And every atom is connected
to everything else. Well,we're, that we're full of atoms and
all our atoms connected to allthe other atoms. So we're all interconnected
and we're all one. But when weclose off, it was like a horse and
have chatters across our eyesand we narrow the field, we start
feeling empty, we startfeeling disconnected, we start feeling
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that things are not right. Andthen we start searching for the answers
through different things. Youknow, whether it's drugs or, or,
or, or sex or power. And youthink the goal is these certain things
when the goal is actually toexperience and learn and play and
understand and, and you know,enjoy, whatever that means to you.
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But it's this experience iswhat I sort of look for. And, and
like, you know, I teachcertain set of things. You know,
I, I, I teach the qigong, theenergy work, I teach the meditation,
which is also in Chinese andshen gong. I teach stretching, which
is nagong. But when you lookat nature, animals do that all the
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time. You, you, you, what ifyou've got a cat or a dog, when they
wake up in the morning, theystretch. When with you know, even
if they're, you know, 14 yearsold, you know, at some point in the
day, they have a mad, mad fiveminutes where they're running around
and causing mayhem or playingwith a ball. That's a qigong part.
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And then sometimes you'll justsit there staring into space. But
that's their meditation. Sonature has these things already programmed
into them. They know, theyunderstand that we need the action,
we need the stillness, we needplay. Now we, we sort of see these
things as separate or get alittle bit confused. But like in
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the concept daoism, you havethe masculine, which is the action,
the doing as well as, youknow, we see our just as matt male
but the masculine qualities,and everybody has masculine qualities.
That's all about your action,about getting things started. Being
feminine side is thenurturing, the loving, the keeping
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it going, maintaining. And thechild side is the play, the inspiration,
the ideas. So we all shouldtry to harness the masculine, the
feminine and the child. Andthat's, you know, that's a quality
that I very much respectivelythe child. Like, I'm always trying
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to make things a little bitsilly. I try to be a bit fun, like
because, because we focus toomuch on the serious and we focus
too much on, you know, oh,things have to be like this. You
have to understand that toallow things to play, you have to
allow things to flow and toallow them to flow things, like sometimes
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you just have to let things bewhat they are. And so yes, it is
good to, you know, have thingsand control things to a degree. But
you need to be spontaneous aswell. You need to allow things to
just, just be what they are.And the whole idea for me is I'm
not in one box. It's very hardto put me in a box because I have
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a tendency to break myself outof it. But the idea is that this,
you are more than one person.You're more than just a mother or
a father. You're more thanjust just a worker or a retired.
You're more than this, you'remore than that. You're so, so many
things. And it's understandingthat you are those things and then
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it's also understanding you'remore than that because people label
themselves as, oh, I'm old,you know, I'm 18 because I'm old.
That's nonsense. I've seen 90year olds that were in their 30s
in China. I saw 90 year oldsthat were putting me to shame, that
made me look unfit, you know,and it's the state of mind and through
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epigenetics, which is allabout the way you think and feel
affects your physical health.So you can change the way you think,
that change the way you feel,that changes the way you are will
help. So things should bealtered and changed. And the biggest
thing I will always say isyou're never too old, you know, never
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say you're never too old. My,my. And one of my examples to that
is the oldest person I taughtQigong was 96. He was 96 years old
when he started learningqigong with me. And his wife had
died a couple years before andhe, his daughter was very worried
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about him. She'd been doingqigong with me for a couple years
and he had sort of given up.And we started off with seated qigong.
We were just doing seatedmovements, small little movements.
We slowly built up and builtup and he lived for another 10 years.
He extended his own lifethrough finding new passions and
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new loves. He extended his ownLife for another 10 years. And I've
seen lots of little miracleslike that. I've seen people or told
they never walk again orthey'll always have to have a BE
on the zimmer frame. And I'veseen them do this. Now people say,
oh, you did it wasn't me. Youtook those exercises, you took that
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knowledge and you ran with it.And you, I'm just sifu. Sifu just
means guide. Somebody points afinger towards the moon or towards
that goal and guide you onyour path like a news. That's what
I am. I'm not a master. I'mnot telling you what to do. I'll
help you along the way. Youare the seep of your own life. You
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are the sea of your ownadventures. And you have the capability
of doing whatever you want,however big it is. Remember, Rome
wasn't built in a day. He wasbuilt one brick at a time. And you
know, all that journey is justone step. Start off with that one
step, just one step, thenanother, then another, then another.
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And before long you're on thatpath. And it's the journey that's
important, not always thedestination. It's the journey.
Profound, profound words ofwisdom. And what an amazing opportunity
that 96 year old had torealize that life wasn't done yet
and that he still had more togive and more to experience. So that's.
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Yeah, that makes my heart feelgood, you know, that you're able
to reach somebody at that ageand at that point, because again,
age, as you said, I love it,it's just great. Age, Age is only
determined by how we feelabout ourselves. Sometimes we have
little obstacles we have toovercome, sometimes we get little
bumps in the road. But I loveit. It's the way, it's the way it
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should go. Do you think you'reyour contribution to law enforcement?
You know, in, in the way thatyou had done and, and your, even
as a patriot chef, did thathelp you understand flow and adaptation
like we just talked about?Because I mean those are two extremes
of, of jobs and I think wehave to have a balance.
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I. Yeah, I mean it was verymuch when I, when I worked in the
Met, things worked out things,things are very much set in a certain
way and very much in a box andthings are very much in certain part.
And it was, it was good, itwas good getting good structure,
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but it was also good aboutpatience. It taught me patience because
when the way things are,people perceive things in a certain
way and, or like theyperceived the, the certain people.
Because in the role I was, youknow, in the role of. I wasn't a
police officer though. If likein the uk if, you know, if somebody
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tried to assault me, I canmake a citizens arrest, you know,
I can defend myself. I wasthere, you know, I had a radio. If,
if a. I dealt a lot of thetime, I think a lot of people think
as a piece of shit, oh youknow, you don't have any powers.
You're, you know, you're,you're, you're nobody. But I still
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dealt with people with knives.I still dealt with people who threatened
me. And, and the interestingthing was is that they would say
you get other people say youonly in this job for the power. It's
like I was a protectionofficer. Well, I got the millionaires
and, and, and you know, likeI'm flying around with jets. I'm.
I'm sitting on the biketalking to you in the heating down
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rain. I'm not here for thepower. I'm here. I'm here because
I'm, I'm doing a role and youknow, I was helping people and that's
what it was more about. It wasfor me, it was about helping people
in a certain way. And itdefinitely, it definitely gave me
perspective, it definitelygave me a role where people see,
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you know, somebody can see auniform and go, that's this, it's
like somebody behind thatuniform there's some, you know, there's
a person with their ownproblems, with their own things they're
going through in their ownlife. And, and you know the funny
thing Was is for a lot of theofficers. I was their. Their back
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guy, you know, because, youknow, because they're wearing the.
The. The stab best or the, thebulletproof jacket. It was very stiff
and it would make you know, itwould affect a lot of their shoulders
and backs. So I be. Mynickname in the job was Kung Fu Panda.
So be because of the fact I. Idid martial arts and I loved food
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and I was a bit big and so IKung Fu Panda. So a lot of people
call me Panda. Lot of theofficers behind closed doors, Japan.
My back sort my back out.Okay, come here then. And so it was
that whole thing of, you know,yeah, you saw things a different
way. And of course you had thebanter in. In when we were in the
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station you had the banterwhatnot. But when we're out the street
we would act in a certain wayand we'd be the same way. But I always
try to do a little bit humor.I always should try to be the person.
There was a lot of the timewhere, where people would gravitate
to me because of being new. Ohyeah, that's. That piece is so bright.
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And yeah, doctor here, he'sall right. He is. He's okay. Or he
looks after Mrs. Miggins downthe road, you know. So it. That was
the thing I went for and itwas. It was being able to help people.
It's a little bit like being aninja is that I am seeing things
from a different perspective.A uniform and people are seeing one
thing and yet sub. I would saya certain thing or a certain way
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and they go, oh, I neverthought of it like that. Or you know,
and it's. They're notexpecting it and it's. It's a way
of. You know, not all Sifuswear. Wear robes. Not. Not all Seafus
are. Are called Sifu. Youknow, everyone is a Sifu. Everyone
is teacher guide. Everythingaround you teaches you. Because everything's
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talking to you all the time.The whole universe is talking to
you. All you got to do is listen.
Yep, I agree 100%. I thinkthat once we understand that we have
the opportunity to connectwith the universe in such a way that
we just have to listen andopen our eyes because it's all around
us and that harmony, that flowwill come to us naturally. You know,
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I bring back the. Even withthe double edged sword of COVID Excuse
me, we had a minute of brief.What the heck. Covid was a double
edged sword because Covid puteverybody to a stop. And when you
stop, then you had to think,because what you brought up earlier
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in the conversation abouteverybody has this expectation. You
get up, you go to work, youspend all day at work, you stop for
lunch and then you go back towork and then you come home, you
have dinner, you watch tv, yougo to bed, you get back up, you go
to work. Same thing every day.And that's what you were destined
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to do. And people get in thatrut. But Covid allowed us to take
a break and say we need moreof a balance. We need to go back.
My wife got to work from homefor two years. She normally drives
to work 45 minutes to an hourin horrendous traffic. And it was
nice because she had a 30minute commute to the back patio
where we had a cup of tea, wewatched the sunrise, we took a breath,
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we connected with nature. Itstarted our day so much better. And
then when she was done, we gotto eat lunch together. Every day.
Work commute home was 30seconds from the, from the, from
the, the, the desk to back outon the patio again before the sun
went down or whatever the casemay be. We got more balance. We got
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more balance. Do you thinkqigong? And you have to help me with
titar. I'm not familiar withtitar. Is that of any relation to
qigong or is that something alittle bit different than qigong?
So one thing I, I just quicklywant to say is like, with COVID is
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like there's a Dallas, verysimple Dallas philosophy. There is
no good or bad. There just is.And everything, you know, there is,
you know, there's always twosides. And the whole thing of when
one thing in my practice thatyou learn to do is to go back and
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meditate on your life and seelike, like the worst. Like when my
father died. Yes, my fatherdied. But what came from that, you
know, from the downs. There'salways an up from this, you know,
and, and all like my dad hadcancer, had throat cancer. And for
15 years he went, went tosleep the cancer. And, and everybody's
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really surprised. The doctorswere really surprised because, because
normally five years is, is thelittle bit. And he, for 15 years
he, you know, he was fine. Andthen Covid came and his cats came
back and then suddenly he wasterminal. And it's like, focus on
the now you're here now. Let'sfocus on that. Let's focus on the
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good thing. That's focused andit's, it's. And you short said it
is that what Kobe did was thatit flipped people's perspective it
gave them. When before COVID alot of people would say, I wish I
had more time to spend with mykids. Surprise. Or I wish I had more
time to do this. I wish I hadmore, you know, I wish I had friends
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who were advocates of workingat home before COVID that was never
going to happen. Societybeautifully, society would never
let it happen. Now each 50,50, you know, there's a lot of businesses
that will literally, you know,focus on that. So everything is perspective,
everything is about, you know,there's, it's no good or bad, it
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just is. You've got to look atboth sides, right? So to answer your
question, so TikTok, so TikTokis basically Chinese osteopath, so
Chinese osteopathicchiropractor. And again to answer
the question is that withinthe Taoist perspective, everything
leads to something else. Soqigong is energy exercise or breath
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work. And qigong can beanything in movement, moving with
breath. So anything can be aqigong. It's about being mindful
about, about those movements.So you could just literally be sitting
in your seat listening orwatching to me. Breathing in and
let your whole body expand,breathing out and then let your body
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relax and settle down. Notquite, not slump, but just settle
back to a nice comfortableposture. So breathe in, expand, breathe
out, reset, even expand,breathe out, reset. And you're already
doing qigong. You're doing assimple as that or breathing in and
you know, moving the hand outto get a cup of tea, breathing out,
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drawing the cup to your, toyour lips, having a sip, breathing
in, grieving out, putting thecup back down again, you're doing
qigong. So from there, soqigong is moving exercise. Now in
that big umbrella, there'slots of different storms. Tai Chi,
that name a lot of peopleheard of, Tai chi is a style of qigong.
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It's one of the many styles.And the biggest thing with qigong
or for me I always promoteqigong is like massage. It's self
massage. The movements that wedo helps you massage your own body
and relaxate relaxation nowfrom one side. So the qigong is the
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action, the moving side. Youthen got tui na, which is a style
of massage which has qigongset into it. So the practitioners
themselves are doing a styleof qigong and massaging your body
at the same time and helpingyou relax. So it's something that's
done to you. And then the ticktock is like also intertwined into
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the tweener and the tikta isback correction but the best way,
when you have a creaky door,the worst thing to do is I've got
a door behind me for thoselistening to this. But that, that
door, if that's creaky andmusty, the worst thing to do would
be to yank it open because youprobably break the hinges, guys,
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you've got some oil and thenyou was to oil the hinges, you would,
then the door would open quitesmoothly and it wouldn't crook. So
tick toe. What they do inosteopath and chiropractor, they
tend to manipulate and tomanipulate or push onto the joints
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of their spray to put themback in alignment. What tikta does,
it massages first and it oilsthose vertebrae, oils those joints
first. So then we do thecorrection inside. There's less resistance,
there's, there's less fightingof the joints, so there's less creaky
door. So the whole point ofthat tar is that it's actually we
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massage first and then we, wecan then correct. Now the interesting
thing in qigong, a lot ofpeople will do the qigong will do
certain exercises and they'llsay, oh, I just clicked something.
Just clicked. It's like, yeah,you're affecting your own back, you're
correcting your own posture.And that's what we're actually meant
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to do. Like qigong is greatand ch and all these things I do
are awesome for me. But youcan find your own version, you know,
like nae gong, which meansstrengthening exercise. When we stretch
the body, we stretch the mindbecause we stretch the tendons. And
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when we stretch the tendons,there is tension within the tendons
and toxins. And by stretchingthose toxins are released, you fluff
them out your body. And in theEastern philosophy that the tendons
is where negative emotionalenergy is stored. So when you stretch
your body, that's why you feelbetter, because you're releasing
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those toxins from your bodyand movement enhances your chi. So
the biggest thing work for alot of people with mobility issues
and also things likefibromyalgia, which is chronic pain
and Ms. And me is that theybecome more and more stick because
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their body is sort of, theirnerves are heightened and everything
is painful and they stiffenup, become more and more stiff. And
that is actually encouragingmore illness, it's actually encouraging
more disease. So that what wedo at qigong is to make movement
gentle and flowing and softand a bit like having that rusty
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door, a dirty plate. If yougently put the water over the plate,
the dirt slowly disappears.And slowly slides off. And so the
chance qigong is like oilingthat door or the water, putting water
over your body, it's gentlystarting to increase blood flow,
increase the, reducing thetension in the muscles, stretching
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the tendons. And it'sincreasing blood flow, oxygen flow,
white blood cells, immunity.And then we also say improving the
Qi. So movement increases.When you increase the movement, you
increase the blood flow, theoxygen flow, she flow, you increase
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yourself back to health.
Which I think is a. I mean,it's an amazing analogy, by the way,
the way that you said togetherbetween the door. Because I. Sometimes
I feel like that creaky door,you know, and sometimes I feel like
the dirty dish. So takingthat, I think that you, you. It allows
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us. From what I understandfrom what you're trying to say is
there's a difference betweenfixing someone and guiding them to
heal from within. In bothqigong and Tatar can allow us to
heal from within and that youguide us to that. Correct?
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Yeah, yeah, it's very, it'svery much. Well, yeah, but the guy,
you know, so, so these thingsare also one of the biggest things
in qigong and tai chiespecially is that is about listening.
And the more you listen toyour own body, you'll actually, you
know, you'll know what youneed. You know, any, any. If you,
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if you're a lady, you've hadchildren, we know, like mums who
wanted us when they werepregnant, wanted to eat a bit of
coal or they wanted to eatpickled, pickled onions and strawberries
because their body cravedthose things. Well, ironically enough,
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our bodies instinctively havethat there were things that we will
naturally crave when we're ina flowing state. We crave the things
we need. Now sometimes whathappens when we're in a negative
plate, we crave the thingsthat will actually slow us down.
And it's about gettingyourself back into this state of
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listening to your body andlistening. And one of the biggest
things we don't understand, alot of people don't understand, is
that you can actually feelyour own organs. You can feel your
body inside. You can feel thattension, that pain is for, for, for
virtual. I haven't got muchto. But it's a bit like a flag, you
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know, it's like a flag wavingin the wind. The pain is an indicator.
It's telling you there's aproblem. Now what happened, what's
happened in modern society, wefocus so much on the flag and not
actually what it's trying tosay. And just the issue is like the
Pain. The pain is the effect.There is a cause. And what happens
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in medicine, in modernmedicine, what seems to have happened
is that we focus far too muchon the call, on the effect side,
not the cause. So in theEastern approach, listening to your
own body, you can actuallyfeel where that tension is. You can
feel where you're stiff andaching, where you hurt. The more
you can relax, the more youcan let go and just allow yourself
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to move and twist and turn andjust breathe, the more you can affect
that. And there's a. There's awonderful Dallas poem that says the
way you. The way you breatheaffects who you are. And what it
means is that if you breathefast, erratic, shallow, and quick,
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your thoughts, your feelings,your actions will be fast, erratic,
shallow, and quick. But if youcan focus on breathing slowly and
smoothly and quietly, yourthoughts start to become slow and
smooth. Your actions, yourfeelings start to slow down and start
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to smooth out, and things willget quiet. And the way you think
and the way you feel affectswho you are. So when we. When we
see an illness and we say, I'mthis. You know, I got this, it's
that we're seeing ourselves asthat thing, and it's like, you're
not that. You're so much morethan that. And. And you can let that
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go and actually change thingsand alter things. And, you know,
not everybody gets it right.You know, the. The medical profession
brushed off their feet, youknow, in a lot of countries, and.
And they see things in acertain way. But if you look up epigenetics
and look up Dr. Bruce Liptonand Joe Dispenser, the. These people
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have studied the science ofthe way we think and feel affects
our physical health, and theyunderstand that. They know that we're
science so much more than itsphysical body. You know, there's.
There's even science to provethat our soul or consciousness is
actually on the outside and itcomes into this body. When they've
done MRI scans or they'relooking at where thoughts were coming
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from, it appeared to be cominginto the body rather than being located
somewhere. So we're so muchmore than this body. You know, we're
so much more. And all you'vegot to do is to allow yourself to
play with that idea, allowyourself to play, be a child again.
You know, a lot of people talkabout the divine feminine or the
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vine masculine, the sacredchild is really important. That idea
of play, that idea of what if.That, you know, like, what if I could
make myself better? What if Icould, you know, not be that disease
and. And be me or be more thanthat disease. What if. And it's coming
from that. You can thenexplore all these different avenues.
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That's brilliant. Brilliant. Imean, I agree with you a thousand
percent. Once we learned. Ittook me to learn. I had to learn
it. You know, I sat in awheelchair for four years feeling
sorry for myself and angry andresentful and you name it, until
my. My daughter leaned down infront of me and said, I want you
to walk me down the aisle. Iknow you can do it. And from that
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point forward, it got me outof there and I haven't looked back
since. And I used acombination of. Even when they tried
to give me the drugs, my wifecouldn't attest to this. They kept
trying to bring me Vicodin andcodeine. And I said, I don't want
it. And she would doacupuncture on me. She got trained
with some acupuncture. We doacupuncture. We do juices. She'd
bring me juices to thehospital. Hospital. And then I would
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Qigong walk. I get emotional.Sorry. I. When I. When the physical
therapist would come in.Qigong walk. And I did this and I
did this and I did this. And Ihealed up six weeks before the average
individual doing it. I wasthe. Without being gross. The nurse,
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every time she came in tocheck my urine, she said, you got
the cleanest urine. I said,because I'm just drinking water and
green tea and juices while I'mhere and so forth. There's a connection
that we. Like you said, I haveto validate that for you, that you
need to listen to your body.When your body tells you something,
you have the opportunity tomove past what you're experiencing.
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And I did it. You can do it.And I've walked 1.6, 1.7 million
steps in the last year when Iwas told by five doctors I wouldn't.
So, yes, I believe ineverything that Jesus said and I
appreciate the way youpresented it. That's brilliant. Do
you think we as people canfind magic in everyday moments like
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that?
You know what? I'm going to dothe unthinkable. I'm going to bring
back Covid again. I thinksomething writes that was, for me,
like a lot of people saw thedarkness of. Was interesting in.
In. In. That was in 2019 oh,2020 is going to be a wonderful year.
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And it's going to be magic andfairies and roses and. And I said,
yeah, that'd be really cool,but I Don't think so. I actually
think or I felt some things. Isaw that, that, that yes, eventually
things would. There'd be greatchange in the world. There's going
to be a turmoil. That. Fromthat, from that adversity comes opportunity.
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And that's. That is a veryTaoist saying. And I think the idea.
It's funny. I've had. In thelast. In the last 30 years, I've
had. My best friend died ofleukemia. Another friend who died
of kidney cancer. My father,as I said earlier. So after 15 years
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of it, as I call it, beingsleeping, then the throat cancer
came back. And if I learnedanything in. And my. My best friend
was the first one to say tome, he said, boggy, because that's
what he knew me as, boggy. Andhe said, boggy, never take anything
for granted. Live everymoment. You know, like I have this
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luck because he was basicallydiagnosed with leukemia and a year
later he passed. And everysingle moment of that year, he lived
it. Lived it to the fullest.He did everything he could. We did
some crazy stuff. And it'sabout living because you don't know
what to master and bring, youknow, like in. In. In 2019, we didn't
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know that. That the world wasgoing to go into lockdown. You don't
know what's going to happentomorrow. So why. But don't worry
about it, because worryingabout it is like trying to adjust
a wing mirror when you'redriving down the car and there's
a deer in front of you. That'snot going to do any good. Get your
hands on the wheel and suck afreaking car action. Doing something,
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but also living it. You know,enjoy your life. Find. Find things.
What is it that you want todo? What is your passion? Do it.
Even if it's the five minutesa day, do it. Start off small and
build it up. And that's whatwe spend so much time. I've seen
so many people worrying aboutthings, worry. And a Dallas poem
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says that worry createstension in the mind, which creates
tension in the body. Tensioncreates illness, and illness eventually
leads to death. So why worry?Because it will kill you. So. And
then it also says, well,worry. If you're worrying about something
that was in the past, it's inthe past. Why are you worrying about
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it? If you're worrying aboutsomething that's in the future, it's
in the future. Why are youworrying about it? If you worrying
about something you can dosomething about, don't worry about
it. Do what you got to do. Ifyou're worrying about something that
there is nothing that youcould do about it, what are you worrying
there's nothing you can do.Live in the now, focus on what you
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can do. Don't worry about whatyou can't. And it all actually leads
me straight back into myteachers should and Po I very much
learned that philosophy on ariver in China where we've been training.
And they said both of themactually Po Anchin said we want you
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to learn about letting go.Okay, Sifu. What. What does that
mean? And they. One of themstruck me with like a punch punch
and I would fly into theriver. So I was in this river and
I swam out and came back tothe side really tired because it's
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real strong river and I likego back onto the side and shouldn't.
My se shook his head say no,try again. And he punched me again.
And I went flying back intothat river. And this time I was so
tired, you know, I. I wasexhausted. I couldn't. I couldn't
fight that stream again. That,that sorry that river, I couldn't
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fight it. So I just relaxed. Ithought well you gotta take me, take
me. And because I relaxed, Ifloated and eventually it went push
me down down the stream ordown the river and it pushed me back
up on onto the bank and thatthen my chief went ah, now you have
learned FL flow and it's allabout that sometimes in life rather
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than worrying about stuff,just live in that moment, enjoy what
you've got right now, make thebest out of what you have. And everything
is possible is. Is like for mewhen I was in. When I was a kid I
have flat feet. And I was toldby the doctors that there was. I
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had what had a few drewmartial arts. I was broken some bones
of my feet. And they would saybecause my feet were spreading out
that by the time I get to 30I'd probably be in a wheelchair.
And there is an operation thatI could have. But the operation there
was as much chances of thatoperation put me in the wheelchair
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as it was correcting my feet.So I said no, you know, I didn't
want to. And fortunately, youknow, my parents listened about 15,
16 and years later in icehockey, I was in ice hockey and I
went to hospital over instantwhere I pulled my ankle and when
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they x rayed my feet, 99% ofthe bones got little tiny bones in
your feet. And 99 of the bonesin my feet were broken in both foots.
And the doctors kept sayingare you okay? Are you in pain, it's
like, what's going on, whatyou know, just come out of it. And
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so. But in both your feet, allthe bones are broken in your feet,
all shattered. You should bein agony, you know, you shouldn't
be walking. Why are youwalking? Because I can. Because I
put one foot in front of theother. Are you in pain? No, because.
Because I've learned pain isjust a signal. And you can turn that
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signal off, you canacknowledge that and you can go past
it. The body is new to listento you, not the other way around.
You can actually guide yourbody. You're the, you're the seafood
for your body. And you cancontrol it and you can and learn
not control, but you canadhere to it and you can guide it
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in a way that it works. And itall starts off with breath. It all
starts off with understanding.The way you think and feel affects
the way you, you are and whoyou are. So don't worry so much.
Let go. You know, like ifyou've got 500 worries, well, they
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don't still be there tomorrow.Go and enjoy yourself today. Or,
you know, take some time offbecause otherwise those 500 worries
are just going to bury you.Let go. Go with the flow. But is
any good D say, hey, what do I know?
You know, it's, it's. I, Iwill. Those are still brilliant words
(48:25):
of wisdom. Life can change inan instant. That's a lesson that
I teach on one more thingbefore you go. Because I learned
that through my personal lifeand my professional life. Life can
change in an instant and youshould embrace life. So we, we have
that mutual message fromdifferent, different perspective.
But yes, it, it's, it's livelife. Live, live. Don't give up.
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Live. Move forward. You'reknown for your playful teaching style.
I love the humorous story. I'msorry I had to smile when you said
he punched you and you wentoff the boat and had to come back.
And then he says, nope, tryagain. I've heard that so many times.
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It was the third. The river.It was, it was on, on, on the side
of the river. Yeah, he did.Like if, if you ever see Bruce Lee,
like the one inch punch, itwould basically, he's called Far
Gene. Explosive power. And Iactually grew up getting a lot of
those hits with my seafood.You asked too many questions or you
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didn't practice enough or youwere, you were smiling too much.
That was me. Then you'd get,you'd get a little flick. But by
the time I was 20, it was aSteel bar around the back of the
head. But people go, oh, youknow, oh, that's terrible. It's like,
maybe you're missing the pointbecause I learned, you know, like
in judo and Aikido, you learnhow to fold, but also how to be thrown
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and you learn how to land soit doesn't hurt. And so when it doesn't
hurt and, and that. So thewhole punching thing was all about
pain. Doesn't hurt. You know,we think it should hurt so it hurts.
But, but if you, you know,there's, they've done experiments
where, where, you know, they,they, they've, they've had a dummy
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arm and a mirror and someone'spoking the, the pins into the dummy
arm and being like, oh, oh,oh. And it's like, but that's not
your arm, you know, and it'slike. And we're, we're perceive.
What we perceive is real. Andthat's a real, that's a big thing
that perception is, is yourreality is that if you perceive a
(50:43):
problem to be real, it isreal. This is where phobias come.
And so it's this understep.But if you can see something as a
problem, you can then see itnot as a problem. You know, you can
switch. This is where I wouldlike people to focus, is that knowing
and understanding this, we canchange our perception and change
(51:04):
our reality.
Right. And, and I think youpresent a magnificent opportunity
for people to learn how to beable to reach within ourselves, how
to learn Qigong in piktar.
Yeah.
You give us a wonderfulopportunity to learn how to listen
to our bodies, how to heal,how to live with presence, how to
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learn how to balance our mind,body and our soul, how to control
these, these aspects withinourselves that are telling us that
we are not good enough. We'renot. We're not able to. Or shut those
off. How does somebody reachyou to learn Qigong and tiktar and,
and so many things that you teach.
Well, you can find me underSifubogi, which is S I F u B O W
(51:56):
G I E on Instagram, TikTok,Facebook and other. And other places
as well. And then there is myschool, which is studentdao IO. So
well, it'll be written in thenotes. S h u n D A O dot or sorry
(52:17):
dot uscream IO I forgot theuseful bit. Birdseeping and it is,
it's a sort of like a crossbetween Netflix and Facebook where
there's lots of differentvideos. And then we also have the.
We also have live Classes thatare done every week. And if you get
(52:38):
to to do the live class,that's awesome. But the whole thing
of the videos is that when youlike watch that class, you can actually
comment. And when you do thatcomment, I read all the comments
and like if you say seafood,like you mentioned this, but what
about, you know, you mentionedthis, this qigong does headaches.
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But what about if you haveearache or what. What about my elbow?
What about. What about myshoulder? And then I can either redirect
you to a class that alreadyexists or the next class I create,
I will have you in mind and Iwill do an extra a technique for
your situation. So the wholepoint of Shindell, it's the flowing
(53:25):
way. Shun means to flow withfold and down means to wait the path
of balance. So it's theflowing way. So the whole idea is
that even the school isinteractive. It's about you communicating
with me, me communicating withyou and us learning together. So
that interests you. Like Isaid, can find me on Facebook, Instagram,
(53:46):
Tik Tok, YouTube, but you canalso just look up shouldn'tow USC
IO and you'll find me there.
And I'll make sure that allthat's in the show notes and on the
web page so that they haveeasy way to connect with you. And
there are some free videos onthere as well. I. I perused them
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myself. And there's a lot ofopportunity for you to kind of get
an introduction into some ofthese philosophies and practices
that we've just talked about.This is one more thing before you
go. I could talk for anotherhour, maybe two. This is one more
thing before you go. Do youhave any words of wisdom you can
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share about us living in thepresent from a daoist perspective?
Breathe, breathe from thebelly. So when you breathe in, let
the belly expand. When youbreathe out, pull the belly in. When
you. When you breathe in, letfill yourself up with light. Fill
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yourself up and let yourselfglow. So when you breathe in, let
yourself glow. And when youbreathe out, breathe out. The stress,
the worry, the tension. Sobreathe in, let yourself glow. Breathe
out and let go shakes go.
Brilliant words of wisdom.Brilliant words of wisdom. Sifu,
thank you very much forguiding us on this journey today.
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Thank you very much forsharing your wisdom, your experience
and everything you have tooffer to help us better ourselves.
I am grateful that you're here.
I'm very grateful to be here.Thank you very much.
As we close, let's pause for amoment. What if the adventure is
an out out there, but in here,in the way we breathe, listen and
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show up for ourselves andothers. Sifu Bogi reminds us that
healing isn't a destination,it's a rhythm, a dance between the
seen and the unseen, betweeneffort and surrender. So take the
moment, live life for thesecond. Enjoy life because it can
change in an instant andembrace. That's a wrap for today's
(55:58):
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