October 12, 2025 • 25 mins
It's been almost 20 years since Damien Leith won Australian Idol! In this chat, we find out what job he was doing when he auditioned, we get into some of his crazy celebrity run-ins and he tries to convince me to put something on hot chips that just sounds nuts! (Apparently it's a very Irish thing to do)
He also finishes our chat with a beautiful, acoustic performance of his new single, 'These Days', live from the Podvan!
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podcast inside a cute little retro caravan from 1967 that I
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When I went looking back throughDamien Leith stuff online I was
like what? He sold over 800,000 albums,
wow. Released 11 albums.
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Couple of #1 singles in there aswell.
And on the 26th of November thisyear, it'll be 20 years since
winning Australian Idol. Wow.
It's a long time, isn't it? 20 glorious years, Yeah, I have
to say. It also flies by as well.
My God. I mean, you know, there was a
time actually straight after Idol where I thought I had an
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endless lifetime in front of me.20 years ago I was like, jeez,
I'm still young and I've got so much ahead of me.
Now, 20 years later, I'm like wow, where did the years go?
Yeah, remember when like findingout someone's like 30 and you're
like, oh God, they're so. Old, Oh my God, they're, oh Gee,
my wife, when she was about 19 or 20, her and her friend went
travelling around Europe and shekept a diary the whole time.
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She was reading one of the diaryentries four or five months ago
and Inna, they said. We met up with two guys, the 2
Dutch guys and but they're so old, they're 28.
Wow, 28 That was weird moment not too long ago where I was
like, oh, I think I'm closer to the end than I am to the
beginning. Now it's all changed.
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The the what? The world is different now.
I mean, we, we, we've got more potential to last longer.
Well, we do. I mean, with AI and the things
that it can do, right? And I was thinking actually
about this earlier today becauseyou recently lost your dad.
Yeah, to the. Parkinson's.
I'm so sorry mate. Was that a couple years ago?
It was only a year and a bit ago, so yeah, and, and it's
terrible. What what a horrible, horrible.
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I'll. Parkinson's.
Oh, it's. It's just.
Terrible. And but I was reading through
that and the things you're doingwith charities now and then I
was at the Relay for Life for the Cancer Council.
Yeah, only a. Couple of weeks.
Ago and they're always finding new things, like with
Parkinson's, there's so much they just don't know.
They don't know. But what I look at is with you
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look at how fast AI is progressing and all the things
that it can do. Yeah, everyone uses it for
ChatGPT and that. But AI is learning from AI,
right? And it just gets better and
faster and faster, man, the things it's going to be able to
do in medicine. It's all down to how much
information is given to us to begin with.
And the medical industry, Pharmaceutical industry and all
those sort of areas are generally pretty cagey about
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giving away all their information.
So, so a lot of it, they still use a lot of documents because I
was a chemist for 10 years and Iknow it's, it's, there's so many
protocols and things like that to make sure that privacy is
maintained at all time. It's just you'd like to think
that AI could actually find whathumans.
Can and that's what it'll do. And look at every thing that the
humans have done 'cause you get it yourself when you're using it
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and you think you've thought of everything.
Then it goes, oh, what about this?
You go. Oh my.
God, yeah. Never would have even thought.
Yeah, but you're saying it's gotta have the data?
It still needs the data from somewhere.
It's it's constantly learning from where, wherever it's
getting. The more people feed information
into it, the more it learns. So back up a second When were
you a chemist for 10 years? I you know what, I loved music.
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I loved acting as a kid and all the rest.
But my mum and dad always said, hey, listen, you need something
to fall back on. I'm from that generation.
I'm actually that generation myself because even with my own
kids, I say the same thing because we both know the
entertainment industry is hard. It gets us fuel from people's
passions. That's really what it does.
And there's very little income in there at the best of times.
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There's a lot of time you work, you're just getting by.
So it's good to have something to fall back on.
So mom and dad said do something.
So I end up going to uni. I became a chemist.
But when not not after idol. No, this is years.
Ago. Oh, okay.
I was a chemist when I went on Idol.
So I, I was, I was a quality assurance manager of a
pharmaceutical company where I went on Idol and I went into my
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boss and said, you won't believethis.
I didn't audition and I'm after getting through the next round.
Is it cool if I take a couple ofdays off for the next set of
shows or whatever? Yeah, yeah, just take as long as
you want and never return. But.
You've still got it there. The doors open for you to go
back to I. Wouldn't have a clue.
My friends constantly come up tome and say, hey, you know, I've
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got this, I've got this pain. Or I check out my leg.
I've got this rash. What should I take for this and
what should I do? I haven't a clue.
It's a lifetime ago. All of that is, yeah.
Well, then you, I mean, because you did radio recently for what,
6-8, six years? Yeah.
Now you're back into music again, Yeah.
Yeah, I look, I love radio. I absolutely love that, I have
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to say. And I still love it.
I would. I would still do it.
It just got to the point where my first love was always music
and it's always been writing. So I just felt like it was
affecting my voice. And I thought, you know what?
I'm going to leave and I'm goingto get back to the first love.
Yeah. And that's what I've done.
And this year's all been about getting back into the music,
back into writing, back into touring and having a bit of that
kind of that old fun again. Yeah.
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Let's go back before we catch upto all of that then.
So back so November 26, 2006, where was that?
In the order of Guy Sebastian, Shannon Knoll, all of those.
It was one of the early ones, right, that you were on, I think
I was. 4th So I I think it was. Guy was the first, right?
Yeah, Guy. Then you had Casey Donovan, and
then you had the girl with the Blondie hair.
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Oh Gee, her name's got out of myhead.
Kate de Rouge. Kate de Rouge.
That's it. I.
Felt, but then was she in a girlgroup after that?
I don't know. No, no.
Jess was in the girl group. Chess.
Yes, she was the young Divas. Yeah.
With who's the other one the the.
Golden the gold Paulini. Paulini Yeah.
Paulini's lovely. What a fun time that was in TV.
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But it was, it was a crazy time.The world was very different
back then. You know when, yeah, when I was
on Idol and when all of us did those shows, People still
watched a lot of TV. We didn't have all the streaming
services. We didn't even have Facebook
around that time. I think it was still chat rooms.
Yeah. Maybe.
I don't know. When Facebook came in, I would
have had, well, Myspace. I had Myspace, Yeah.
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Yeah, that was. You would have been in my top 8.
You want to be in that in the. Top eight friends, that was.
Weird that whole thing. Myspace different world.
That was the start of it all. So you win that and then I guess
you're off touring around the country, you record an album.
Straight out, yeah. You know, traditionally what
they've been doing up until thatpoint was that have written 12
songs and you go into the studioand you record it straight away.
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Yeah, but they change it that year.
So they went out with this winner's Journey album and I
went out touring straight afterwards and with.
Others that were in the finals. No, no, it was just myself.
Yeah, just myself. But that was it.
The whole idea was to give me time to record my own album.
So eventually when Where We Landcame out, it was very much all
originals, which is pretty cool.Amazing, yeah.
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Which is kind of a unique thing.Because the early days of those
shows, you really get locked into the record contract cut and
you have no say in anything. They're yeah, they're pretty.
It's all those. I mean, any record contract is
pretty tight even and it's very.Different now.
The new ones got these 360 dealswhere they they take a cut of
your touring of your if you get ATV gig as a result of being
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part of the record label, they'll take a cut of that wage.
You know it's. Wow.
Yeah, they're all-encompassing. I mean, artists now you can blow
up without having a record label, like Massively, yeah,
just through TikTok or whatever.And.
Talk. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Or you release it yourself, get on Spotify and you know people
latch onto it and fingers. Crossed like you know you know
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Tony and Ryan podcast yeah yeah you know they're absolutely
ginormous and every now and thenI see a comment of someone like
Oh my God, when is a radio station like one of the big cap
city ones gonna going to reach out to these guys and get them
and it's like they don't need radio they.
Probably don't want it. No, I'm sure they're not
looking. For it, they can do their own
hours, they can do their own thing, they can do their own
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content exactly as the way they want to do it and have a way
bigger audience. Absolutely.
Anywhere in the world, yeah. Exactly.
Things have changed massive a lot.
It used to be that, yeah, you really needed that record deal
and then they would promote you.And I was watching A1 the other
day, actually on YouTube. It was Vanessa Carlton.
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Oh yeah. Who had the 1000 miles.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was like the essentially
the story behind that song. Yeah.
And and then the video clip. And it was all about getting
your video clip on MTV. Yeah, 'cause that would launch
it and then. Well, we all watched MTVI Mean.
Yeah, I, I was glued to MTV. That was that's where you got
all your music. Yeah.
Yeah, it was a bit. It was a big deal.
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I look at I I was in radio in the golden years of radio.
It's just a crazy time. And I think you were as well in
music, like getting in in that time.
Yeah, when? It had a massive reach, like
radio back then and music. We were still selling albums.
So people actually took you intotheir house in a way by by by
buying an album. They were invested in you.
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Yeah. Well, the album gets released
and then, you know, there's people lining up outside.
Yeah. Sanity store, Yeah.
And the doors are open. They go in and they buy the
album and take it home. Yeah.
And it's the same with radio. Like back in Ireland, you know,
we grew up and there was a couple of DJ's that we all
listen to religiously and these guys control the country.
You'd be like, if so and so saidit, then that's what that was
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law. That was it the really important
voice in the whole community. And yeah, so.
It's but now someone on TikTok, Instagram, whatever, it can have
a way bigger following with no training, with no working their
way up through the ranks of radio or, you know, anything,
Yeah. It's different, isn't it?
Like it's, I don't know, I mean,you're.
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Way more accessible for people now.
Really is. Both for the ones wanting to get
their content out as well as everyone that wants to consume
it. Yeah.
Exactly. Exactly.
Yeah. But, you know, I mean, on the
flip side, everyone's trying to do it.
So I wonder what are the numberslike of the amount of people who
don't cut through? Yeah.
So it turns out it's actually not.
It feels like when you're putting content out there that
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everyone's doing it, but when you actually see the numbers, it
is a tiny percentage of people that are.
It's like when people are complaining about stuff, they're
the noisy ones. So you think that everyone's you
know everyone? Yeah, but they're not.
Yeah, the majority, 9899% of people are consuming content,
not actually putting it out. Well, that's a here that's
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positive. I mean, it's positive for anyone
who's doing it. Yeah, that's brilliant.
Yeah, and anyone you know, because you can look at
launching a podcast and you lookat the numbers of new podcasts
and it's hundreds of thousands and they're all coming out all
the time and, and you go, how amI ever going to, you go in and
search up podcasts, you'll see so many that got like 4 episodes
in and they launched back in 2019 or something.
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And. Listen.
Nothing since. I have a podcast, yeah.
And we got about 9 episodes, Yeah, and we've stopped as well.
Takes a lot of work. A lot of work, there's a lot of
commitment. You really have to know what
you're doing as well. It's not a case of just winging
it. No.
I think everybody kind of goes along with the idea of, yeah,
we'll sit down, we'll have a chat and we'll see where it
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goes. But then you know you've got the
editing afterwards and you got fixing it together, making it
feel like it it's actually a coherent.
Stuff and then you've got to make the videos, the reels and
things from it, all the stuff topromote it because like, that's
why I put all the videos up about the podcast is so that.
I mean, it happened with me. There was a I'd never listened
to the Diary of Aceo podcast before.
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Yeah. And until my wife sent me a
little clip that she saw online of he was interviewing someone
about ADHD. And the way this guy described
it, I was like, Oh my God, like that's my life, that's it.
And I wanted to know more about it.
Yeah. So I went and looked up that
episode. Yeah.
And from that I went, oh, I lovethis podcast, yeah.
And then got hooked on it. So that's the point of putting
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those things out online. Yeah, that's right to.
Grab attention. Yeah.
Yeah, you might. You might.
You know, something pops up there and might catch someone's
attention. They go boom.
That's it. I'm in.
I'm hearing that a lot of peopleare latching on to that podcast
at the moment because it is a bit buried and it shows.
It shows a different side to theworld of business in many ways.
Yeah. Which I think it's pretty cool.
Yeah, I'm looking at the time I'm thinking, wow, you got to
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get. You got a gig.
I do, at Lake Oak Street Theatre.
What? Have you ever missed a gig
because of, I don't know, missedflight Sick, Had to cancel
something? No, I've had to cancel for
their, you know, various reasonsover the years, but I had a
again about a year after one Idol.
I had a gig up in Redcliff and around that time Sony were
sending me here, there and everywhere doing interviews and
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doing this that The other I had to make it to Redcliff.
My flight was delayed. I had got to the airport late
and all the rest. So the band went, prepared
everything and the audience weresitting there.
I still wasn't at the venue. Drove from Brisbane to Red
Cliff, I think it was about 1/2 an hour late, full audience,
full house, all just sitting there.
And I literally, I walked in andwalked onto the stage.
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It felt very rock'n'roll. It felt pretty cool, you know,
at. That time.
Yeah, as I look at me, I just get off playing straight on
stage, get out of the. Venue and that was you remember
because obviously it's a long time ago.
Were you stressed about? I don't think you know.
No, no, it's. Still part of it.
I don't just the Rock'n'roll launch stuff.
Well, I'm much more stressed these days, I reckon.
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Back then I was just going with the flow.
I just seen There was so much going on.
There was no time for stress, you know, You just kind of went
OK, well, Oh yeah, I'll head on there.
OK, I'll do that. Where?
Now I think, I don't know. I think, I think it you get
older, you either get more Placid or you get more stressed.
You've gone more stressed. I think I've went more stressed.
I'm going the other way. Well, good on you.
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But it was a crazy time, right, In the record industry and radio
industry, all of those kind of things like the junkets you
would get sent on. Yeah.
And stuff like to go and like from my side from like going to
interview artists and they'll I'll send you overseas and
things like that. Oh, you would have been doing
everything on radio. Jeez.
Yeah, it was a great time. We all wanted to be be on your
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show. Yeah.
So important. It was our that was our way of
people knowing what you were doing, whether you got a new
song and all that. So it was.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, that relationship was massive.
Is it funny how again, that's changed as well now you'd want
to collab with a a big influencer or something to get
on their channel And yeah, exactly.
Find your stuff. King, Kumbomider, Chan have been
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big supporters of the pod and podcast right from the start and
you get all the stuff from them that you'd expect to.
You get plans, you get all the Weber stuff, you get all the
still gear, the amazing principal kitchens, but it's the
stuff that you don't expect. Like we had an elderly lady come
into the store and she brought her remote control from her
television and she didn't know how to get it to work.
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And we opened it up and saw thatshe just needed new batteries.
And then she told me that her husband had recently passed
away. So he was the one that did all
that stuff for her and she didn't have anybody around to do
that, so she needed us. So we factories out of the
packet and put them in the remote and we helped her out and
made her day. That's what she get.
And the mighty helpful King Cumber Minor Gen. have you been
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Have you ever been surprised by a celebrity that's reached out
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like back at that time? I've had quite a few of those
sort of things where people havekind of met me.
Jim Owen, for instance, I had never met him and I arrived at
an airport and there he was. He, he says, gay man, gay man.
Who the hell is that? He had a hoodie on or something
like that. And even as I got close to him,
I still had no idea who he was. And you're thinking he's banging
on an Irish accent to talk to you.
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He talked to me like I had knownhim his entire life, that we
were best friends. And he said, you know, I listen
to your songs, you know, good on, you know, it was the most
random thing. And I rang my wife out and said
Jim Bowen just bumped into me like we're best buddies and said
he listened to my albums. That just comes to mind because
it was so random. But I've had some really cool
things. I I did a lot of recording over
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in America, so I end up meeting a lot of people through that.
They dropped. Some names who?
There was Steve Tyler at one point, which was pretty cool.
From Aerosmith. Yeah, Yeah.
It's a long story, but there's actually a lot of cool names and
more, more. So I was actually probably
linked to people who were associated with these people as
well, because I ended up recording a lot of really cool
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studios. I was at Blackbird Studio in
Nashville. Oh, wow.
And, and in what's Kevin Costner?
And I was like with a guitar on his back.
And I was like, didn't even think he played guitar.
Turns out he does. He's a musician and all the
rest. But it was just so random.
I'm looking. I'm going.
That's Kevin. That's Kevin.
He's gone. That's time in life.
I know I, I, I think he was like, who the Hell's?
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This guy, you're an author as well?
I love writing. Yeah, I love writing.
I'd be the first to admit it. My first love has always been
writing, right? Story writing.
Yeah. And so you've got, is it three
books that you've got out? Three books?
Yeah, 2 are like fiction and then there's a kids book.
And the kids one? Yes, and that's the most recent
ones. They're all like full length
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novels, but the first two are more geared towards adults.
The third one is the full fictional story for kids.
Lemony snickets kind of vibe. It's in that kind of area, which
I love Roald Dahl. It's in that it's dark, it's
space around dark humor. It's that kind of vibe.
But it's a story I told my kids.It was bedtime story I told my
kids. Really.
Yeah. You made-up.
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I made-up, I used to make up allmy stories.
Every single night I'd go in, I'd make up stories, but I'd
record them on my phone so that when I was touring I could send
it to them and then they could listen back on the story.
About 5-6 years ago, I went through it all and I had, I
think there's about 130 stories.You know, there's a lot of yeah,
but there was one in there. And it was this particular story
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that went on for nights and nights and nights.
You know, it was a continuation story.
So why you would record these asvoice notes while you're out
travelling? Well, sometimes, while more
often than not, I'd lie in the floor while I'm telling them the
bedtime story and I'd record it while I'm telling them so they
could hear the same story again if they want to.
But then when I get on the road,you know, if I was gone the
following night, I'd record the next episode and I'd send it
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over to them. Oh.
That's so cool. Yeah.
And as a result, I've got all these stories, loads and loads
of these stories. And one of them happened to be
that book that I've just broughtout, you know, and I've adjusted
it now and it's all, you know, it's, it's obviously padded out
and it's a lot bigger now. But I love all.
What a great story of like wherethe story came from.
Yeah, totally inspired by havingkids I.
Did the same thing with my kids.We're a little I would you had
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make up stories. Tell them apparently my sister
tells my younger sister tells me.
I did it with them when I was like a teenager.
And my brother and sister, they're twins.
They're five years younger than me.
I would make up stories with theteddies and that.
I guess it's just a being a creative person.
And you're an entertainer. It leads us to where we are.
And I always find where all thatkind of stuff, you, you can't
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let go of it. You're born a certain way.
And those sort of personality traits are embedded from day
one. It's you.
It's. Part of from day one, you never
really change. It's always there and for me,
music, entertaining, being out, telling stories, that is always.
I was doing it when I was a kid,still doing it now.
Nothing has ever changed. Couple of quick questions,
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someone on my socials I was talking about oh I was making
loaded fries at home and I've never made them before and I'm
like what do I even put it? I've just got a hinkering for
some. Loaded fries, yeah.
And sure, there's gonna have cheese on them.
What else? And people saying all these
different things. And then one in particular said
one that I thought was crazy, and she said you're gonna be
talking to Damien Leith. Ask him.
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It's a Irish thing. Oh no, here we go.
Curry. Oh yeah, 100%.
But it has to be in Australia. It would have to be your
Japanese katsu Curry, the Curry that you would get with it, like
a katsu chicken. Oh, it's kind of that kind of
the Curry that we'd have in Ireland, like a sweeter sort of
Curry. It's still you have spicy.
Curry on your chips. Always geez, you would never get
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a chicken Curry without having chips that that's even if you
make a chicken Curry at home in your own family house, you would
get some oven fried chips and you shove them on you're.
Talking like an Indian Curry like a like.
A any Curry. Any Curry Chips.
They have to have chips. Oh, Gee, try it.
You. I will.
Until you've tried it. OK, here's what you do in
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Woolworths. They've got a container.
I think it's cool, man. It's the Irish Curry.
It's in that kind of international section.
You'll see. It's a little red thing.
Make that off. Make some chips, it'll change
your life. See what we're doing?
Pouring it over the top or dipping the chips in.
You can do either, whichever suits you best.
But how? You've just lit up ever since I
started, no. Carry on, chips.
It's actually it's a delicacy. That is so funny.
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When she wrote that, I was like,fine, I will ask him and you're
gonna sound crazy. No, I'll tell ya, I've done it
with my band. People I've played with over the
years. I've said try this.
So funny. Changes lives changes.
Lives. Wow.
Changes lives. Yeah, that would be the same.
You've got a new song out and you've got your guitar here.
Can we get a bit of it? Absolutely, and it gives the
story of it first. OK, so it's called These Days.
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This is the first single of the next chapter as far as I'm back
writing, back doing all that. But it's inspired by a really,
that's a tough year, to be honest.
You know, my dad passed away andthat was devastating for me, for
the whole family. And then in the midst of all
that, there was lots of life changes as well.
Loads of things were just happening all around as kids
growing up, leaving home, going overseas.
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It's just like suddenly everything was changing.
I have a roller pretty fast to be honest, because it would just
seem to flow. Then I went in to Sydney
recorder and got these beautifulstrings on it, which you're not
going to hear now. But yeah, the strings make it.
But I'm very proud of the song and it's a good taste of what's
to come. Also the the thing about this
song is it's not high. I know I was going to say it's
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very deep. Yeah, there's not none of the
usual trademark falsetto or anything like that.
It's very low, but if you. Like I can do some in the
background just. You you can do it if.
You want. I mean, you're missing the
strings. You're missing the high stuff.
What can I bring? I'm not.
Sure that that's what was needed.
We're just workshopping. Here.
Well, kid, no idea. Single has been released.
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No idea is a bad idea. Wow.
Except for that one. Turns out some of them are all
right. You got to get off to your gig.
So let's get a bit of the new single these days.
These days I like someone I don't know, like I'm confetti in
a cannon about to explode. All these days I got graffiti on
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my head. When I try to find the right
words, I get colors there instead.
And even when it rains, it feelsa little wetter, and the nights
go on and on, and the sun up in the clouds signs a little
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dimmer, like it's missing something, gone and dying.
No, times are tough, but this won't last forever.
And today will soon be the past,Or things will soon get better
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and die in God. The strangest feeling.
There's silver in the sky and the lightning clouds won't
matter. Everything will soon be all
right. The little bit of it, little bit
of it. That was awesome.
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I've always loved knowing the story behind songs as well
before listening to them. So I think that's.
A good place to stop, I reckon. Yeah, as the sun goes down over
Gosford. Yeah, at the start taking was
telling someone he's in Woy Woy with me.
I'm like, why? Why?
You're not in Woy Woy and you'relike, no, but my gig tonight's
in Woy Woy and I'm like, no, that's Wyoming.
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Wyoming, you know, they're yes, they're very close the.
Sun is going down over the waterhere on the Gosford waterfront.
Getting that song. That was awesome, man.
Hey, great to catch up with you and see you again when you're
next and down. Alright, be good in the meantime
mate. Thank you.
Podcast with Robbie.
With Rabbit. Hey I'm Rabbit, I record this
podcast inside a cute little retro caravan from 1967 that I
tore around all over the place. Fan podcast with Rabbit.
When I went looking back throughDamien Leith stuff online I was
like what? He sold over 800,000 albums,
wow. Released 11 albums.
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Couple of #1 singles in there aswell.
And on the 26th of November thisyear, it'll be 20 years since
winning Australian Idol. Wow.
It's a long time, isn't it? 20 glorious years, Yeah, I have
to say. It also flies by as well.
My God. I mean, you know, there was a
time actually straight after Idol where I thought I had an
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endless lifetime in front of me.20 years ago I was like, jeez,
I'm still young and I've got so much ahead of me.
Now, 20 years later, I'm like wow, where did the years go?
Yeah, remember when like findingout someone's like 30 and you're
like, oh God, they're so. Old, Oh my God, they're, oh Gee,
my wife, when she was about 19 or 20, her and her friend went
travelling around Europe and shekept a diary the whole time.
(01:09):
She was reading one of the diaryentries four or five months ago
and Inna, they said. We met up with two guys, the 2
Dutch guys and but they're so old, they're 28.
Wow, 28 That was weird moment not too long ago where I was
like, oh, I think I'm closer to the end than I am to the
beginning. Now it's all changed.
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The the what? The world is different now.
I mean, we, we, we've got more potential to last longer.
Well, we do. I mean, with AI and the things
that it can do, right? And I was thinking actually
about this earlier today becauseyou recently lost your dad.
Yeah, to the. Parkinson's.
I'm so sorry mate. Was that a couple years ago?
It was only a year and a bit ago, so yeah, and, and it's
terrible. What what a horrible, horrible.
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I'll. Parkinson's.
Oh, it's. It's just.
Terrible. And but I was reading through
that and the things you're doingwith charities now and then I
was at the Relay for Life for the Cancer Council.
Yeah, only a. Couple of weeks.
Ago and they're always finding new things, like with
Parkinson's, there's so much they just don't know.
They don't know. But what I look at is with you
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look at how fast AI is progressing and all the things
that it can do. Yeah, everyone uses it for
ChatGPT and that. But AI is learning from AI,
right? And it just gets better and
faster and faster, man, the things it's going to be able to
do in medicine. It's all down to how much
information is given to us to begin with.
And the medical industry, Pharmaceutical industry and all
those sort of areas are generally pretty cagey about
(02:37):
giving away all their information.
So, so a lot of it, they still use a lot of documents because I
was a chemist for 10 years and Iknow it's, it's, there's so many
protocols and things like that to make sure that privacy is
maintained at all time. It's just you'd like to think
that AI could actually find whathumans.
Can and that's what it'll do. And look at every thing that the
humans have done 'cause you get it yourself when you're using it
(02:59):
and you think you've thought of everything.
Then it goes, oh, what about this?
You go. Oh my.
God, yeah. Never would have even thought.
Yeah, but you're saying it's gotta have the data?
It still needs the data from somewhere.
It's it's constantly learning from where, wherever it's
getting. The more people feed information
into it, the more it learns. So back up a second When were
you a chemist for 10 years? I you know what, I loved music.
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I loved acting as a kid and all the rest.
But my mum and dad always said, hey, listen, you need something
to fall back on. I'm from that generation.
I'm actually that generation myself because even with my own
kids, I say the same thing because we both know the
entertainment industry is hard. It gets us fuel from people's
passions. That's really what it does.
And there's very little income in there at the best of times.
(03:43):
There's a lot of time you work, you're just getting by.
So it's good to have something to fall back on.
So mom and dad said do something.
So I end up going to uni. I became a chemist.
But when not not after idol. No, this is years.
Ago. Oh, okay.
I was a chemist when I went on Idol.
So I, I was, I was a quality assurance manager of a
pharmaceutical company where I went on Idol and I went into my
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boss and said, you won't believethis.
I didn't audition and I'm after getting through the next round.
Is it cool if I take a couple ofdays off for the next set of
shows or whatever? Yeah, yeah, just take as long as
you want and never return. But.
You've still got it there. The doors open for you to go
back to I. Wouldn't have a clue.
My friends constantly come up tome and say, hey, you know, I've
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got this, I've got this pain. Or I check out my leg.
I've got this rash. What should I take for this and
what should I do? I haven't a clue.
It's a lifetime ago. All of that is, yeah.
Well, then you, I mean, because you did radio recently for what,
6-8, six years? Yeah.
Now you're back into music again, Yeah.
Yeah, I look, I love radio. I absolutely love that, I have
(04:49):
to say. And I still love it.
I would. I would still do it.
It just got to the point where my first love was always music
and it's always been writing. So I just felt like it was
affecting my voice. And I thought, you know what?
I'm going to leave and I'm goingto get back to the first love.
Yeah. And that's what I've done.
And this year's all been about getting back into the music,
back into writing, back into touring and having a bit of that
kind of that old fun again. Yeah.
(05:12):
Let's go back before we catch upto all of that then.
So back so November 26, 2006, where was that?
In the order of Guy Sebastian, Shannon Knoll, all of those.
It was one of the early ones, right, that you were on, I think
I was. 4th So I I think it was. Guy was the first, right?
Yeah, Guy. Then you had Casey Donovan, and
then you had the girl with the Blondie hair.
(05:35):
Oh Gee, her name's got out of myhead.
Kate de Rouge. Kate de Rouge.
That's it. I.
Felt, but then was she in a girlgroup after that?
I don't know. No, no.
Jess was in the girl group. Chess.
Yes, she was the young Divas. Yeah.
With who's the other one the the.
Golden the gold Paulini. Paulini Yeah.
Paulini's lovely. What a fun time that was in TV.
(05:59):
But it was, it was a crazy time.The world was very different
back then. You know when, yeah, when I was
on Idol and when all of us did those shows, People still
watched a lot of TV. We didn't have all the streaming
services. We didn't even have Facebook
around that time. I think it was still chat rooms.
Yeah. Maybe.
I don't know. When Facebook came in, I would
have had, well, Myspace. I had Myspace, Yeah.
(06:20):
Yeah, that was. You would have been in my top 8.
You want to be in that in the. Top eight friends, that was.
Weird that whole thing. Myspace different world.
That was the start of it all. So you win that and then I guess
you're off touring around the country, you record an album.
Straight out, yeah. You know, traditionally what
they've been doing up until thatpoint was that have written 12
songs and you go into the studioand you record it straight away.
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Yeah, but they change it that year.
So they went out with this winner's Journey album and I
went out touring straight afterwards and with.
Others that were in the finals. No, no, it was just myself.
Yeah, just myself. But that was it.
The whole idea was to give me time to record my own album.
So eventually when Where We Landcame out, it was very much all
originals, which is pretty cool.Amazing, yeah.
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Which is kind of a unique thing.Because the early days of those
shows, you really get locked into the record contract cut and
you have no say in anything. They're yeah, they're pretty.
It's all those. I mean, any record contract is
pretty tight even and it's very.Different now.
The new ones got these 360 dealswhere they they take a cut of
your touring of your if you get ATV gig as a result of being
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part of the record label, they'll take a cut of that wage.
You know it's. Wow.
Yeah, they're all-encompassing. I mean, artists now you can blow
up without having a record label, like Massively, yeah,
just through TikTok or whatever.And.
Talk. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Or you release it yourself, get on Spotify and you know people
latch onto it and fingers. Crossed like you know you know
(07:48):
Tony and Ryan podcast yeah yeah you know they're absolutely
ginormous and every now and thenI see a comment of someone like
Oh my God, when is a radio station like one of the big cap
city ones gonna going to reach out to these guys and get them
and it's like they don't need radio they.
Probably don't want it. No, I'm sure they're not
looking. For it, they can do their own
hours, they can do their own thing, they can do their own
(08:10):
content exactly as the way they want to do it and have a way
bigger audience. Absolutely.
Anywhere in the world, yeah. Exactly.
Things have changed massive a lot.
It used to be that, yeah, you really needed that record deal
and then they would promote you.And I was watching A1 the other
day, actually on YouTube. It was Vanessa Carlton.
(08:31):
Oh yeah. Who had the 1000 miles.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was like the essentially
the story behind that song. Yeah.
And and then the video clip. And it was all about getting
your video clip on MTV. Yeah, 'cause that would launch
it and then. Well, we all watched MTVI Mean.
Yeah, I, I was glued to MTV. That was that's where you got
all your music. Yeah.
Yeah, it was a bit. It was a big deal.
(08:52):
I look at I I was in radio in the golden years of radio.
It's just a crazy time. And I think you were as well in
music, like getting in in that time.
Yeah, when? It had a massive reach, like
radio back then and music. We were still selling albums.
So people actually took you intotheir house in a way by by by
buying an album. They were invested in you.
(09:14):
Yeah. Well, the album gets released
and then, you know, there's people lining up outside.
Yeah. Sanity store, Yeah.
And the doors are open. They go in and they buy the
album and take it home. Yeah.
And it's the same with radio. Like back in Ireland, you know,
we grew up and there was a couple of DJ's that we all
listen to religiously and these guys control the country.
You'd be like, if so and so saidit, then that's what that was
(09:35):
law. That was it the really important
voice in the whole community. And yeah, so.
It's but now someone on TikTok, Instagram, whatever, it can have
a way bigger following with no training, with no working their
way up through the ranks of radio or, you know, anything,
Yeah. It's different, isn't it?
Like it's, I don't know, I mean,you're.
(09:55):
Way more accessible for people now.
Really is. Both for the ones wanting to get
their content out as well as everyone that wants to consume
it. Yeah.
Exactly. Exactly.
Yeah. But, you know, I mean, on the
flip side, everyone's trying to do it.
So I wonder what are the numberslike of the amount of people who
don't cut through? Yeah.
So it turns out it's actually not.
It feels like when you're putting content out there that
(10:18):
everyone's doing it, but when you actually see the numbers, it
is a tiny percentage of people that are.
It's like when people are complaining about stuff, they're
the noisy ones. So you think that everyone's you
know everyone? Yeah, but they're not.
Yeah, the majority, 9899% of people are consuming content,
not actually putting it out. Well, that's a here that's
(10:39):
positive. I mean, it's positive for anyone
who's doing it. Yeah, that's brilliant.
Yeah, and anyone you know, because you can look at
launching a podcast and you lookat the numbers of new podcasts
and it's hundreds of thousands and they're all coming out all
the time and, and you go, how amI ever going to, you go in and
search up podcasts, you'll see so many that got like 4 episodes
in and they launched back in 2019 or something.
(11:01):
And. Listen.
Nothing since. I have a podcast, yeah.
And we got about 9 episodes, Yeah, and we've stopped as well.
Takes a lot of work. A lot of work, there's a lot of
commitment. You really have to know what
you're doing as well. It's not a case of just winging
it. No.
I think everybody kind of goes along with the idea of, yeah,
we'll sit down, we'll have a chat and we'll see where it
(11:21):
goes. But then you know you've got the
editing afterwards and you got fixing it together, making it
feel like it it's actually a coherent.
Stuff and then you've got to make the videos, the reels and
things from it, all the stuff topromote it because like, that's
why I put all the videos up about the podcast is so that.
I mean, it happened with me. There was a I'd never listened
to the Diary of Aceo podcast before.
(11:42):
Yeah. And until my wife sent me a
little clip that she saw online of he was interviewing someone
about ADHD. And the way this guy described
it, I was like, Oh my God, like that's my life, that's it.
And I wanted to know more about it.
Yeah. So I went and looked up that
episode. Yeah.
And from that I went, oh, I lovethis podcast, yeah.
And then got hooked on it. So that's the point of putting
(12:03):
those things out online. Yeah, that's right to.
Grab attention. Yeah.
Yeah, you might. You might.
You know, something pops up there and might catch someone's
attention. They go boom.
That's it. I'm in.
I'm hearing that a lot of peopleare latching on to that podcast
at the moment because it is a bit buried and it shows.
It shows a different side to theworld of business in many ways.
Yeah. Which I think it's pretty cool.
Yeah, I'm looking at the time I'm thinking, wow, you got to
(12:24):
get. You got a gig.
I do, at Lake Oak Street Theatre.
What? Have you ever missed a gig
because of, I don't know, missedflight Sick, Had to cancel
something? No, I've had to cancel for
their, you know, various reasonsover the years, but I had a
again about a year after one Idol.
I had a gig up in Redcliff and around that time Sony were
sending me here, there and everywhere doing interviews and
(12:46):
doing this that The other I had to make it to Redcliff.
My flight was delayed. I had got to the airport late
and all the rest. So the band went, prepared
everything and the audience weresitting there.
I still wasn't at the venue. Drove from Brisbane to Red
Cliff, I think it was about 1/2 an hour late, full audience,
full house, all just sitting there.
And I literally, I walked in andwalked onto the stage.
(13:07):
It felt very rock'n'roll. It felt pretty cool, you know,
at. That time.
Yeah, as I look at me, I just get off playing straight on
stage, get out of the. Venue and that was you remember
because obviously it's a long time ago.
Were you stressed about? I don't think you know.
No, no, it's. Still part of it.
I don't just the Rock'n'roll launch stuff.
Well, I'm much more stressed these days, I reckon.
(13:28):
Back then I was just going with the flow.
I just seen There was so much going on.
There was no time for stress, you know, You just kind of went
OK, well, Oh yeah, I'll head on there.
OK, I'll do that. Where?
Now I think, I don't know. I think, I think it you get
older, you either get more Placid or you get more stressed.
You've gone more stressed. I think I've went more stressed.
I'm going the other way. Well, good on you.
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But it was a crazy time, right, In the record industry and radio
industry, all of those kind of things like the junkets you
would get sent on. Yeah.
And stuff like to go and like from my side from like going to
interview artists and they'll I'll send you overseas and
things like that. Oh, you would have been doing
everything on radio. Jeez.
Yeah, it was a great time. We all wanted to be be on your
(14:10):
show. Yeah.
So important. It was our that was our way of
people knowing what you were doing, whether you got a new
song and all that. So it was.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, that relationship was massive.
Is it funny how again, that's changed as well now you'd want
to collab with a a big influencer or something to get
on their channel And yeah, exactly.
Find your stuff. King, Kumbomider, Chan have been
(14:30):
big supporters of the pod and podcast right from the start and
you get all the stuff from them that you'd expect to.
You get plans, you get all the Weber stuff, you get all the
still gear, the amazing principal kitchens, but it's the
stuff that you don't expect. Like we had an elderly lady come
into the store and she brought her remote control from her
television and she didn't know how to get it to work.
(14:52):
And we opened it up and saw thatshe just needed new batteries.
And then she told me that her husband had recently passed
away. So he was the one that did all
that stuff for her and she didn't have anybody around to do
that, so she needed us. So we factories out of the
packet and put them in the remote and we helped her out and
made her day. That's what she get.
And the mighty helpful King Cumber Minor Gen. have you been
(15:15):
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(15:36):
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Have you ever been surprised by a celebrity that's reached out
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like back at that time? I've had quite a few of those
sort of things where people havekind of met me.
Jim Owen, for instance, I had never met him and I arrived at
an airport and there he was. He, he says, gay man, gay man.
Who the hell is that? He had a hoodie on or something
like that. And even as I got close to him,
I still had no idea who he was. And you're thinking he's banging
on an Irish accent to talk to you.
(16:19):
He talked to me like I had knownhim his entire life, that we
were best friends. And he said, you know, I listen
to your songs, you know, good on, you know, it was the most
random thing. And I rang my wife out and said
Jim Bowen just bumped into me like we're best buddies and said
he listened to my albums. That just comes to mind because
it was so random. But I've had some really cool
things. I I did a lot of recording over
(16:40):
in America, so I end up meeting a lot of people through that.
They dropped. Some names who?
There was Steve Tyler at one point, which was pretty cool.
From Aerosmith. Yeah, Yeah.
It's a long story, but there's actually a lot of cool names and
more, more. So I was actually probably
linked to people who were associated with these people as
well, because I ended up recording a lot of really cool
(17:01):
studios. I was at Blackbird Studio in
Nashville. Oh, wow.
And, and in what's Kevin Costner?
And I was like with a guitar on his back.
And I was like, didn't even think he played guitar.
Turns out he does. He's a musician and all the
rest. But it was just so random.
I'm looking. I'm going.
That's Kevin. That's Kevin.
He's gone. That's time in life.
I know I, I, I think he was like, who the Hell's?
(17:22):
This guy, you're an author as well?
I love writing. Yeah, I love writing.
I'd be the first to admit it. My first love has always been
writing, right? Story writing.
Yeah. And so you've got, is it three
books that you've got out? Three books?
Yeah, 2 are like fiction and then there's a kids book.
And the kids one? Yes, and that's the most recent
ones. They're all like full length
(17:42):
novels, but the first two are more geared towards adults.
The third one is the full fictional story for kids.
Lemony snickets kind of vibe. It's in that kind of area, which
I love Roald Dahl. It's in that it's dark, it's
space around dark humor. It's that kind of vibe.
But it's a story I told my kids.It was bedtime story I told my
kids. Really.
Yeah. You made-up.
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I made-up, I used to make up allmy stories.
Every single night I'd go in, I'd make up stories, but I'd
record them on my phone so that when I was touring I could send
it to them and then they could listen back on the story.
About 5-6 years ago, I went through it all and I had, I
think there's about 130 stories.You know, there's a lot of yeah,
but there was one in there. And it was this particular story
(18:24):
that went on for nights and nights and nights.
You know, it was a continuation story.
So why you would record these asvoice notes while you're out
travelling? Well, sometimes, while more
often than not, I'd lie in the floor while I'm telling them the
bedtime story and I'd record it while I'm telling them so they
could hear the same story again if they want to.
But then when I get on the road,you know, if I was gone the
following night, I'd record the next episode and I'd send it
(18:47):
over to them. Oh.
That's so cool. Yeah.
And as a result, I've got all these stories, loads and loads
of these stories. And one of them happened to be
that book that I've just broughtout, you know, and I've adjusted
it now and it's all, you know, it's, it's obviously padded out
and it's a lot bigger now. But I love all.
What a great story of like wherethe story came from.
Yeah, totally inspired by havingkids I.
Did the same thing with my kids.We're a little I would you had
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make up stories. Tell them apparently my sister
tells my younger sister tells me.
I did it with them when I was like a teenager.
And my brother and sister, they're twins.
They're five years younger than me.
I would make up stories with theteddies and that.
I guess it's just a being a creative person.
And you're an entertainer. It leads us to where we are.
And I always find where all thatkind of stuff, you, you can't
(19:30):
let go of it. You're born a certain way.
And those sort of personality traits are embedded from day
one. It's you.
It's. Part of from day one, you never
really change. It's always there and for me,
music, entertaining, being out, telling stories, that is always.
I was doing it when I was a kid,still doing it now.
Nothing has ever changed. Couple of quick questions,
(19:51):
someone on my socials I was talking about oh I was making
loaded fries at home and I've never made them before and I'm
like what do I even put it? I've just got a hinkering for
some. Loaded fries, yeah.
And sure, there's gonna have cheese on them.
What else? And people saying all these
different things. And then one in particular said
one that I thought was crazy, and she said you're gonna be
talking to Damien Leith. Ask him.
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It's a Irish thing. Oh no, here we go.
Curry. Oh yeah, 100%.
But it has to be in Australia. It would have to be your
Japanese katsu Curry, the Curry that you would get with it, like
a katsu chicken. Oh, it's kind of that kind of
the Curry that we'd have in Ireland, like a sweeter sort of
Curry. It's still you have spicy.
Curry on your chips. Always geez, you would never get
(20:32):
a chicken Curry without having chips that that's even if you
make a chicken Curry at home in your own family house, you would
get some oven fried chips and you shove them on you're.
Talking like an Indian Curry like a like.
A any Curry. Any Curry Chips.
They have to have chips. Oh, Gee, try it.
You. I will.
Until you've tried it. OK, here's what you do in
(20:54):
Woolworths. They've got a container.
I think it's cool, man. It's the Irish Curry.
It's in that kind of international section.
You'll see. It's a little red thing.
Make that off. Make some chips, it'll change
your life. See what we're doing?
Pouring it over the top or dipping the chips in.
You can do either, whichever suits you best.
But how? You've just lit up ever since I
started, no. Carry on, chips.
It's actually it's a delicacy. That is so funny.
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When she wrote that, I was like,fine, I will ask him and you're
gonna sound crazy. No, I'll tell ya, I've done it
with my band. People I've played with over the
years. I've said try this.
So funny. Changes lives changes.
Lives. Wow.
Changes lives. Yeah, that would be the same.
You've got a new song out and you've got your guitar here.
Can we get a bit of it? Absolutely, and it gives the
story of it first. OK, so it's called These Days.
(21:38):
This is the first single of the next chapter as far as I'm back
writing, back doing all that. But it's inspired by a really,
that's a tough year, to be honest.
You know, my dad passed away andthat was devastating for me, for
the whole family. And then in the midst of all
that, there was lots of life changes as well.
Loads of things were just happening all around as kids
growing up, leaving home, going overseas.
(22:01):
It's just like suddenly everything was changing.
I have a roller pretty fast to be honest, because it would just
seem to flow. Then I went in to Sydney
recorder and got these beautifulstrings on it, which you're not
going to hear now. But yeah, the strings make it.
But I'm very proud of the song and it's a good taste of what's
to come. Also the the thing about this
song is it's not high. I know I was going to say it's
(22:22):
very deep. Yeah, there's not none of the
usual trademark falsetto or anything like that.
It's very low, but if you. Like I can do some in the
background just. You you can do it if.
You want. I mean, you're missing the
strings. You're missing the high stuff.
What can I bring? I'm not.
Sure that that's what was needed.
We're just workshopping. Here.
Well, kid, no idea. Single has been released.
(22:43):
No idea is a bad idea. Wow.
Except for that one. Turns out some of them are all
right. You got to get off to your gig.
So let's get a bit of the new single these days.
These days I like someone I don't know, like I'm confetti in
a cannon about to explode. All these days I got graffiti on
(23:14):
my head. When I try to find the right
words, I get colors there instead.
And even when it rains, it feelsa little wetter, and the nights
go on and on, and the sun up in the clouds signs a little
(23:37):
dimmer, like it's missing something, gone and dying.
No, times are tough, but this won't last forever.
And today will soon be the past,Or things will soon get better
(23:59):
and die in God. The strangest feeling.
There's silver in the sky and the lightning clouds won't
matter. Everything will soon be all
right. The little bit of it, little bit
of it. That was awesome.
(24:21):
I've always loved knowing the story behind songs as well
before listening to them. So I think that's.
A good place to stop, I reckon. Yeah, as the sun goes down over
Gosford. Yeah, at the start taking was
telling someone he's in Woy Woy with me.
I'm like, why? Why?
You're not in Woy Woy and you'relike, no, but my gig tonight's
in Woy Woy and I'm like, no, that's Wyoming.
(24:42):
Wyoming, you know, they're yes, they're very close the.
Sun is going down over the waterhere on the Gosford waterfront.
Getting that song. That was awesome, man.
Hey, great to catch up with you and see you again when you're
next and down. Alright, be good in the meantime
mate. Thank you.
Podcast with Robbie.
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