October 26, 2025 • 26 mins
My guest today had NO idea he was the guest.
This was a heap of fun.
Wayne from Coast FM 963 thought he was just popping down to the waterfront to pre-record a quick chat for his show... until the awesome moment at the start of this one where he realised that he was actually the guest for this episode! (I think his heart is still recovering).
We get into why he (and a third of all Aussies) volunteer their time for free, the absolute passion of being a true "radio nerd," and what it was like for him to go on air for the first time. It also got me thinking about my own start in radio, from playing pretend in a caravan to the mentor who inspired my entire career.
I also share the story of my disastrous first-ever live shift...
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With rabbit I'm Rabbit I record this podcast inside a cute
little retro caravan from 1967 that I've tore around all over
the place fan podcast with rabbit.
Thanks for jumping in and doing this.
Check these on and then you can take this audio and yes I will
take it back up. There, take it back up there and
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fix it. I've got.
To be quick, because I'm my nextguest is going to be here any
second. That's all right.
I'll just do this and get out ofhere now.
Actually, before we start, can I?
I'll just record my intro for mynext guest and then I'll know
that's in the can. All right, I'll just quickly
record this. My guest for today's episode
does something that a third of all Australians do.
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I'm part of the 2/3 that don't, but I am super in awe and I
think we're all appreciative of people that are in that 1/3 that
do this. I don't know why he does it, but
we will find out today as we go through this.
So welcome to the pod, Van Wayne.
Hello. You're actually the guest for
this episode. Oh really?
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That I was waiting for. Wow, you've put me in this
situation here, haven't you? Oh dear.
Oh dear. Well, didn't I get sucked in?
I thought My glasses are foggingup.
Didn't see that. Coming.
No, I didn't. So Wayne works at Coast FM 963
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here on the Central Coast and I do a bit on his show on a Sunday
morning. I pop in there and just do a bit
about the pod van. And Wayne asked if I was going
to be able to pop in on Saturdaymorning, record a quick little
bit for Sunday's show, and I said well, I'm going to be down
the waterfront actually doing interviews.
Do you want to come down and we'll record it there and then I
can shoot you the audio afterwards?
That's what Wayne thought he washere for.
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I did too. God, you got me well and truly
for that. It's been a while since I've
done a setup like. This.
That's massive. Now I know how Julie Goodman
feels. Dear idea, she generally knows
she's going to be on an episode.I've wanted to talk to you for a
long time about the whole volunteering thing and why you
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do it. Do you need a moment to no.
You look shocked. I am shocked, but I, I, I've
wanted going along with in, in getting into volunteering that
I've always wanted to be in radio.
I've been thinking about it for years and years, you know, and
people have said, Oh, you've gotthe voice, you know, and I used
to do like, like take offs to people and that at work and
stuff. And they ended up saying, why
don't you try it? So eventually, back in 2022, I
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decided, you know what? I've had enough, I'm going to
try and get into it. And I rode into Coast FM and
they came back and said, yeah, come in and have a chat.
So I went in, did our training and stuff, and the next thing I
know, Shane Cleary, who was headof programming now, he's vice
chair, actually sat down with me, with Sarah, of course, our
general manager now, and they said, when can you go on air?
And I was like, whoa, OK. What was that like the first
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time going on air? Look, to be honest with you, the
first time I actually went on air was during one of Shane's
shows playing a song. But I wanted to be a little bit
different to everybody else, so everybody else had this song
with what they knew they were going to do.
I wanted to play because one of my favorite songs is Bryan
Ferry. Roxy Music, Slave to Love.
Great song. So I started to talk into the
song, it was coming on, but I had the fader down and then as I
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was talking and finished, I had the fader up and I've walked
out. Everyone's going.
How did you do that? Sounded unreal.
I said well, I just use the fader and a lot of people don't
realise that that's how you can do a lot of your things.
I mean, you know, being in radioand stuff, but.
And you like the craft? Of it I do.
I love the craft of it. And even though I work full time
Monday to Friday, even if I'm atwork or I'm not at work and I'm
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at home, I'm always doing something for the radio station.
I'm always listening or I'm. You're a radio nerd.
Yep, that's what it is. Radio Nerd.
So I was in there one day and you were telling me about the
stuff you'd been doing and you'dbeen out till midnight at
something in the year and, and at like 4:00 in the morning
doing something else. And Yep, it was some big event
or something and there were people around the station.
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I don't know. And I just went.
It just hit me that everyone there was volunteering, not
being paid. That's right, everyone.
Everyone there is a volunteer. And how many volunteers do you
have? I think we've got around about
60 volunteers all up. Yeah, I know around about 49 of
them. Maybe.
I think of presenters. Yeah, because I'm programming
convener at the station and I'm in charge of them as well.
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So I help them if they need helpand try and guide them in the
best way I can on air and off air and Shane and Sarah do the
same. Do you volunteer like with
anything else? No Outside.
OK, so for you it wasn't about the volunteering thing, it was
wanting to do stuff on the. Radio, wanting to do stuff on
the radio, but also I wanted to give back to the community
because of what the community does, you know, and I wanted to
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get in there and it's, look, I don't want it to be me, me, me,
me. I'm that sort of sort of person
that I work in the background. To me making the station sound,
the way it sounds, that's my adrenaline.
That's my happy spot because I know I'm part of it.
So of those 50-60 people that are on air, Yep.
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Would they all be people that wanted to work in radio?
They were, but weren't able to get into it for whatever reason.
Yes, that's right. The people we've got there are
amazing. Everybody does their share.
When people are sick, I have to rely on other people.
They all just come in and it's just like one big happy family,
you know, and everybody just helps each other.
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It's amazing how the station is.It's very close to my heart.
OK, so this is almost like a it's almost like a hobby for
you. Really.
Because. You do, you work full time,
that's right. But then, man, you do some hours
over the weekends. I do, I love it.
I, I've got a studio at home. So what I normally do is I come
home after, after work and I'll sit down and chillax for a
little while and then I'm like, oh, I might go in and see if I
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can do a couple of things. So then I'll go in and I'll
start doing a couple of things that I can do with the radio.
I might even start preparing my breakfast show for the following
week or the week after that. It's all about prepping to me.
I love the preparation and that.OK, so that's good.
So it's a creative outlet for you, correct.
And it's something that you justlove doing.
Yeah. Did you try and get into radio
when you were younger? To be honest with you, I tried
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when I was about 22. I tried to get into Max Rowley.
Max Rowley had a radio. School.
Where was that? That was in Sydney.
Yeah. OK.
And I wanted to do it mainly because being a young guy back
in those days in the 90s and that I was a bit of a nerd.
I used to listen to a bit of triple MI, listen to the the
two, the L2 GI up here. And I like people like Rob
Duckworth. You know, I love Rob Duckworth
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to death. Yeah.
I think he's one of the greatestannouncers in the country, you
know, And he actually went through Max's school.
And that's why I thought, you know, I want to be like that guy
one day, you know, And then of course, I'm very fond of you
with the way you are on radio orhow you were on radio.
I love the way you were on radio.
Like you come across so positiveand everything.
And it was probably you your sort of style that way.
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I thought, you know what, I'm going to try and do something
like this and sort of get into it.
And then when you finished and you actually, you came into the
pod van, I did send you a message and I said, hey, if you
could take some time out, could you listen to me on a on a
breakfast show one Sunday morning?
And you came back, you said really good.
You've nailed it where you need to be.
And. I remember I had some things for
you to look at and if you wanted.
To people are very helpful thesedays with radio personalities
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that I find like yourself. Andy Grace as well.
Yeah, I, I've spoken to to Andy and and messaged him numerous
times Lovely bloke He is a lovely guy.
I used to talk to him when he was up here at * as well when
Star first came on air OK and hehe he was another guy that sort
of got me doing a few things. Then I had Mike Duncan from Star
as well. I could sit here and talk radio
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for days and days and days. I just.
That was me as well. I I was radio will always hold a
real special place in in my heart.
I mean, 30-4 years of doing it. I lived and breathed and I was
hardcore radio nerd as well. I went to the Brian Kelly School
of Personality Radio. Yeah, when I was 15 would have
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been. I signed up for that and did
that course and started on air not long after that.
And back then I was buying booksfrom Dan O'Day, which was this
radio consultant and guy on air in the US.
This is before the Internet and and all of that.
And so I don't even know how I found.
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It's probably from like a, a trade magazine like Jocks
Journal or something. It would have been an ad in
there for it. So I bought these cassettes from
Dan O'Day and I bought books from over there to Morning Radio
and Morning Radio 2. I remember the set of cassettes
that turned up and it was him air checking guys that were on
air over there and I would studythose.
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Love that stuff. Let me ask you a question, and
this is very funny. I've tried to look you up on
your history of your radio. Yeah, OK.
Where did you start in New Zealand?
Because I can't find that. I can only find where you were
over here. Yeah, You know what's crazy?
Well, where it all sort of started for me in radio was
there was this guy. And I talked about this on my
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200th episode, which I think youlistened to with my mum and dad.
Yes. And I talked about this guy.
He was on Kiwi FM doing the night show.
His name is Kerry Varco. And I wrote to the radio station
and just said I want to do what you do.
I want to be a guy on the radio,that kind of thing.
I would mean 14 at that stage. And he wrote back with a card he
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wrote inside it, you know, aboutfollow your dreams.
And I stuck that up on my wardrobe door.
I couldn't believe that the guy from the radio had written back
to me. And he included a little book on
like how to get started in radioand a Kiwi FM bumper sticker.
Put that up on the on the wardrobe door as well.
That was really the launch into me getting into radio.
The first station. I was 15 years old and walked
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into school, walked into our community studies class one day
and they said, hey, you got to have your work experience thing
in today. And my initials are DJ and
someone went, you should be a DJ.
And I went, yeah, I'll be a DJ. And she went, all right, I'll
contact a radio station. And then next Wednesday went
into the class and she goes, oh,this radio station said they'll
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take you on. So six weeks of doing Wednesdays
instead of going to school, I'd go in there and I'd type up the
win at work questions to know how to use a typewriter.
I learned and just a massive cando attitude.
I just so wanted to be there. And after that six weeks, they
got me to do a couple of things.The radio station was moving
premises and that I did the Brian Kelly School of
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Personality Radio. And then I started like
panelling some weekend shifts and then one day jumped on air
with Sally Cook, who was on air.She put me on air.
I did a break. Crazy, freaky.
I was shaking so much. And yeah, then I I got like a
Saturday 2 till 6:00 in the afternoon shift and that just
live on air playing records backthen.
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And yeah, I got the bug for it hard at that point.
It was called radio BOP when I first started.
Then it switched to FM and it became 95-B OP FM.
And the BOP was not bop like bopmusical, though it was Bayer
plenty in New Zealand. Yeah.
So it was 95 BOP FM and then it became classic hits 95 BOP FM.
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When I left there, I was 19 and I was on air all the time by
that point, but I was doing it as classic hits 95 BOP FM.
Good afternoon. Coming up next, Doby Gray.
I was 19 years old, putting thatvoice on.
Yeah. I went to a radio station down
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the South Island and was there for 10 months and then another
radio station in the North Island for five months.
I just wanted, I just constantlywanted to be stepping up.
Yeah. And then after that I couldn't
find a brekkie gig anywhere because they all had their
brekkie shows and I had no experience and heard that over
in Australia all these AM stations had to have their FM
licenses on by a certain date. So there were jobs aplenty. 7, I
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just grabbed backpacks, jumped on a plane, came across to
Brisbane with nothing and got a job in Griffith.
And so to wrap all of that up, in the episode with my mum and
dad for episode 200, I said thatKerry Varco, I have tried and
tried to find him and I can't. I want to like say to him, you
have no idea the impact that hadand what that led to sending me
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that card and that book. And I've found him.
I've found him now really. I've got his phone number 0.
Wow. And so I'm going to call him.
I'm going to oh. That's excellent.
Yeah, I'm. Going to ring him and tell him
what he did and how much that meant.
That's gonna be. He would have no idea.
He's not in radio anymore. He he's a mortgage broker or
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King Gumber Mitre 10 have been big supporters of the Pod Dan
podcast right from the start andyou get all the stuff from them
that you'd expect to. You get plans, you get all the
Weber stuff, you get all the steel gear, the amazing
principal kitchens, but it's thestuff that you don't expect.
Like we had an elderly lady comeinto the store and she brought
her remote control from her television and she didn't know
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how to get it to work. And we opened it up and saw that
she just needed new batteries. And then she told me that her
husband had recently passed away.
So he was the one that did all that stuff for her and she
didn't have anybody around to dothat, so she needed us.
So we put factories out of the packet and put them in the
remote and we helped her out andmade her day.
That's what she got. And the mighty helpful King
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Cumber Minor Jen podcast with Rabbit.
That's, that's that's what I mean.
You're, you're like with carry on like that with a few people,
you know, because like yourself,you, Andy and Shane and Sarah.
And just a funny thing I should mention with Sarah was it was
the Saturday before I actually went on air on the Tuesday and I
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was getting very nervous and sheknew we sat there and she kept
saying to me, OK, introduce thissong.
So I kept doing it and she's going, no, do it again.
And I, I'm, I'm, I was just getting to the point where I'm
going, I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this.
I was there, no word of a lie, about 45 minutes continually
doing it. She just kept saying, do it
again. And she was the one that
actually got me over the line inthe nervous part of it, you
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know, and, and it was like I wasn't even scared when I turned
the mic on. And I couldn't believe that.
But there's still presenters outthere that get a bit nervous.
Of course you do. But I just.
Live on air, yeah. But it's just like a routine to
me now. As you said, it was a hobby of
mine and it is a hobby of mine and I love it.
Community radio is really strongat the moment and it will be
forever, I think, because there really is when you're driving
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along in traffic here on the Central Coast and then suddenly
it's all just stand still. You can actually check on Coast
FM and someone will I like there's there's just break in of
format. Someone will come on after that
song and say, hey, we're gettingreports of of whatever.
Commercial radio. You can't really do that.
It's programmed in. You've got a four song sweep
there and you you can't just jump in and give a traffic
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update. You wished you could.
Yeah, because it's helpful, you know it is.
But I, I also get the commercialradio sensibilities around that
as well, because the fact that that traffic that may be
affecting those people right now, it's not affecting
everybody and 98% of everyone else listening, it's not
affecting. That's right, but.
That's just, that's the differences between a community
radio and commercial radio is that it doesn't hurt to jump on
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and just give a traffic update. And I like that real sense of
day, what I get out of it. Jumping on with you on a Sunday
morning. I mean, you have me in there to
talk about what's been happeningwith the pod van over the last
week. Exactly.
We have some laughs and talk about guests coming up.
I'll play a little snippet of anepisode or something.
But it scratches the radio itch for me as far as being able to
be topical and local. And if I had just seen something
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when coming into the station andtalk about that and it's like
it's actually happening out there right now.
You don't get that so much with podcasting.
No, yeah, that's true. But yeah, I I mean, I do love
that every Sunday I look forwardto having you in, mainly because
there's adrenaline rush because I'm.
I'm looking out the window. Where is Rabbit?
Where is he? OK, we've got 4 minutes to go.
Where is he? And then also, Oh my God.
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Where? 30 seconds to we go here He
comes, pulls up, and then he runs in the door, jumps in.
OK, how long we got 10 seconds, right.
OK, bang. And everything's right.
I can't help. No, wait, I've.
Tried I, I do try. No.
And I just listen. I don't know.
I guess I'm at the point now where I'm accepting.
Just useless it looks. Like I totally enjoy it every
Sunday, so it's. Like a Tasmanian devil racing in
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the door. It's fun.
Bang Bang and then you're out. Do you know what?
You actually did when you were talking about your first break
on air, your first chef. You just took me back then as
well 'cause I love like talking to you.
You are very, you know, you're super passionate about radio and
being on air and then, and I didn't realise it was only 2022
for you when you first started. So that's not that long ago that
you had that. But mind you, mind you, I used
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to be one of these people that were in the bedroom.
Oh, pretending. Had the two power packs and,
Yep, the CDs playing and the tape over here with the
sweepers, 2GO FM 107.7, you knowthat sort of stuff.
And you do that and then you talk, Yeah.
And then and then the next minute you'd be sitting and the
next minute you hear this. Why turn the music down, Mum and
Dad? Totally.
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So I would have been about 13 or14 I guess when I was first like
getting like really into radio before the work experience,
before all of that. I think this would have been the
earliest time when I was playingradio was the the exact same
thing you just talked about in acaravan outside my mate's place.
And we had this little transmitter that would broadcast
like, you know, 20 or 50 meters or something so they could
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listen on the radio inside the house.
Wow. And that was me playing radio
back then. Hilarious that it was in a
caravan that I was talking into a microphone.
And here we are 200 years later.But my first break on air on
that Saturday afternoon shift when I was actually, you know,
the roster came out and they said, I'll just go check the
roster. And I went and had a look and
there I was on the Saturday total, 6:00 PM and Oh my God, it
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was live. And anyway, and I mean, I've
been doing plenty of practicing.I would go into the radio
station on the weekends and justlike record shifts, like I was
on air, I'd run the full songs and I'd take whatever they had
scheduled and I would just do exactly it from like the
previous Saturday. I'd take those logs and I'd go
and sit in the studio and I'd just do a shift and I would
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record it all on the cassette and give it to the program
director and the brekkie guy andask them if they would aircheck
me. And they did.
And so I'd work on those things again the next weekend when I'd
go in, and this was when I was 15 years old.
Then when I got my first shift, I sit down, I've got everything
set up like perfectly. And I know that OK, so after to
the news, which is live from someone in the studio sitting
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opposite you, I'm like looking at them as they're doing the
news. It's very different now.
You know, it could be coming from Sydney, it could be coming
from Adelaide, it could be coming anywhere.
The news, you don't see the person, but they're doing the
news. And then I had to fire off all
the carts. They point at me and I and I hit
the next thing goes Sports News.And then they do the sports and
then BFM weather and then they do the weather and then at the
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end of the weather like that's this is go time.
So get to the end of that and then I fire off the thing that
has the Jingle about classic hits, 95 BOP FM and then it's
got the doughnut, you know, so that's those out of radio, which
is everyone else. It's got a Jingle on the start
and then just some music that goes for and it may be like 17
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seconds, you know, it's 17 seconds and then the Jingle
plays again and then that goes into a song.
So you've got that window to talk in and you've just, you've
got to nail it. It's live, you mess up your
words and then you're trying to catch back.
Up again, then the Jingle kicks back in again.
So I had practiced. I did it.
I nailed it first. First time live on air,
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absolutely nailed it. And at that stage we'd moved
from records to CDs, slotted that in, queued up the right
track, had it all sitting there ready to go.
Did my break. The Jingle played, I fired off
the song. The song starts playing and I
went, I took my headphones off. I'm like, Oh my God, that's
like, I did it. I've done the first break.
I turned around to grab the nextCD.
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My knee hit the desk and the CD skipped too.
So the CD went from 4 minutes, 45 left on the song or whatever
to 7654 and I didn't have the next CD ready to go.
I've just been so focused on. I just need to get this first
song on and there was dead here and there was dead here.
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The song finished while I was frantically searching for CD
number 1147, throwing it into the thing, queuing up track 13,
watching as it flashes, flashes flight, waiting for the CD to be
queued up. And then, you know, as soon as
it is, hit the button on the desk.
And that was my first time ever live on air.
My heart. I don't.
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It still hasn't slowed down. What the funny part was with
with all of us that the the teamthat actually got in to do
presenting the class, when we came out of it, we were all
petrified. The first part was the weather
report. We were all looking at each
other going wow, the weather andwe're all like that worried.
Our first time we went on, I didit.
I used to always write my weather out and everything and
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made sure it was right. Now over the years, because I've
done it so many Times Now I can walk in and just go OK, tomorrow
20, it's fine and sunny 27° Tuesday looking at a top of
around 29°. Currently outside it's 13° but.
That's like with every other job.
I think you get used to do it. It just becomes.
It's nothing now, but that was the thing that we all used to
panic about. Oh, we gotta do the weather.
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That's our first thing, you knowyou.
Better nail the weather. And and and you nail the
weather. You've got it.
You know it's the hour set up. When I was getting you in I
thought but it was going to be achat all about volunteering.
I looked up the stats on it and there's like 5 million people
currently actively volunteering in Australia at the moment.
Generally it's usually around 32% of Australians volunteer in
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some way and the things that people do and the hours they put
into it and everything. It's amazing, isn't it?
Yeah, but I guess we're probablywith all of those things, they
would have a passion for something thing.
That's right. That's why they're doing it.
They, yeah, they want to give back.
They like being involved in it. So for you it's radio.
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For someone else, if there's a race and there's people, the
Marshalls, all standing around Motorsports, there's so many.
So many in that. Yes, there's just so many
volunteers, but these would be people that love motorsport, I
guess. That's right.
They want to be, they want to beclose to it, you know?
Yeah. And, and I think that goes for a
lot of people. That's why they do it, because
they want to be close to that thing that they actually love,
you know? Yeah, and they can get their fix
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from being around it and part ofit without actually needing to
work in that industry or whatever like in in Motorsports.
Exactly but. How do you get into, you know,
working on AV8 supercar team or something like that?
I know it's amazing. But you can go along and stand
there and hold flags, Yep, and signal things and it gets you
close to. It does.
It does get you close. And, and, and the funny part is
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too, that we've not only got presenters there, we've got
volunteers that come in and actually help out with, you
know, like emails and stuff likethat as well.
Oh really? There's people.
Come in and help out with that like empty bins.
Go and get the milk and the cookies and everything.
Everybody comes in it just. Helps it so there's ones in
there that aren't wanting to be on air not.
Wanting to be on air. They just want to be part of the
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team. Yeah.
And I've got people that that come out with me when I do the
OBS. And they don't wanna be on air.
They just wanna help me hook everything up, you know?
And then they're amazed. Do you know, do they volunteer
doing other things outside of Some of them do, yes.
Yeah. Some people, I reckon, are just
helpers. They want to help.
Yeah, yeah. And it's satisfying, you know,
and the, the thing for me is when we go out and the people
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that come up and say thank you so much for what you do, we
appreciate it. That to me is personally, that's
what I love. I've a.
Funny thing as well because you don't think of it as doing
anything for anyone I know. But you I.
Mean with with Coast Defend, there'd be a lot of people that
that's their companion. That's right.
A lot of people by themselves get the radio on across the day
and they can get that sort of connection with that voice that
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they're hearing. In all honesty, my my biggest
surprise was one morning. It was absolutely teeming on a
Sunday morning at the station. You couldn't see out the window
or anything. And I just got on air and I was
doing my normal thing. Next minute the phone rings and
it was this would have been an elderly gentleman.
And he just said, I just want toring and thank you.
It's a terrible day outside, butGod, you're bringing sunshine
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into those speakers this morning.
Thank you very much for doing what you do.
And I just knew there. I just felt the I just felt so
grateful. And I'll never, ever forget that
call. Yeah, because that's.
You're making someones day, you know what I mean?
It's actually had an impact on someone and so good of him to
call up as well. Well mate, thanks for jumping
in. Thank you and being the surprise
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guest. Oh surprise.
Alright. God, your heart beats tracking
away there. Say good day to the whole team
in there from me, but what a pack of legends to be so
passionate about radio and a radio station that they wanna
just give their time to help it do what it does for the
community. I appreciate it and that's what
we're here for, the community. Now you'll catch Wayne on Sunday
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mornings. He does the Sunday morning
Brackie. That's when I pop up as well
around 8:31. Thanks, Wayne.
No worries mate. Thank you.
Podcast with Rabbit.
With rabbit I'm Rabbit I record this podcast inside a cute
little retro caravan from 1967 that I've tore around all over
the place fan podcast with rabbit.
Thanks for jumping in and doing this.
Check these on and then you can take this audio and yes I will
take it back up. There, take it back up there and
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fix it. I've got.
To be quick, because I'm my nextguest is going to be here any
second. That's all right.
I'll just do this and get out ofhere now.
Actually, before we start, can I?
I'll just record my intro for mynext guest and then I'll know
that's in the can. All right, I'll just quickly
record this. My guest for today's episode
does something that a third of all Australians do.
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I'm part of the 2/3 that don't, but I am super in awe and I
think we're all appreciative of people that are in that 1/3 that
do this. I don't know why he does it, but
we will find out today as we go through this.
So welcome to the pod, Van Wayne.
Hello. You're actually the guest for
this episode. Oh really?
(01:07):
That I was waiting for. Wow, you've put me in this
situation here, haven't you? Oh dear.
Oh dear. Well, didn't I get sucked in?
I thought My glasses are foggingup.
Didn't see that. Coming.
No, I didn't. So Wayne works at Coast FM 963
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here on the Central Coast and I do a bit on his show on a Sunday
morning. I pop in there and just do a bit
about the pod van. And Wayne asked if I was going
to be able to pop in on Saturdaymorning, record a quick little
bit for Sunday's show, and I said well, I'm going to be down
the waterfront actually doing interviews.
Do you want to come down and we'll record it there and then I
can shoot you the audio afterwards?
That's what Wayne thought he washere for.
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I did too. God, you got me well and truly
for that. It's been a while since I've
done a setup like. This.
That's massive. Now I know how Julie Goodman
feels. Dear idea, she generally knows
she's going to be on an episode.I've wanted to talk to you for a
long time about the whole volunteering thing and why you
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do it. Do you need a moment to no.
You look shocked. I am shocked, but I, I, I've
wanted going along with in, in getting into volunteering that
I've always wanted to be in radio.
I've been thinking about it for years and years, you know, and
people have said, Oh, you've gotthe voice, you know, and I used
to do like, like take offs to people and that at work and
stuff. And they ended up saying, why
don't you try it? So eventually, back in 2022, I
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decided, you know what? I've had enough, I'm going to
try and get into it. And I rode into Coast FM and
they came back and said, yeah, come in and have a chat.
So I went in, did our training and stuff, and the next thing I
know, Shane Cleary, who was headof programming now, he's vice
chair, actually sat down with me, with Sarah, of course, our
general manager now, and they said, when can you go on air?
And I was like, whoa, OK. What was that like the first
(02:55):
time going on air? Look, to be honest with you, the
first time I actually went on air was during one of Shane's
shows playing a song. But I wanted to be a little bit
different to everybody else, so everybody else had this song
with what they knew they were going to do.
I wanted to play because one of my favorite songs is Bryan
Ferry. Roxy Music, Slave to Love.
Great song. So I started to talk into the
song, it was coming on, but I had the fader down and then as I
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was talking and finished, I had the fader up and I've walked
out. Everyone's going.
How did you do that? Sounded unreal.
I said well, I just use the fader and a lot of people don't
realise that that's how you can do a lot of your things.
I mean, you know, being in radioand stuff, but.
And you like the craft? Of it I do.
I love the craft of it. And even though I work full time
Monday to Friday, even if I'm atwork or I'm not at work and I'm
(03:39):
at home, I'm always doing something for the radio station.
I'm always listening or I'm. You're a radio nerd.
Yep, that's what it is. Radio Nerd.
So I was in there one day and you were telling me about the
stuff you'd been doing and you'dbeen out till midnight at
something in the year and, and at like 4:00 in the morning
doing something else. And Yep, it was some big event
or something and there were people around the station.
(04:00):
I don't know. And I just went.
It just hit me that everyone there was volunteering, not
being paid. That's right, everyone.
Everyone there is a volunteer. And how many volunteers do you
have? I think we've got around about
60 volunteers all up. Yeah, I know around about 49 of
them. Maybe.
I think of presenters. Yeah, because I'm programming
convener at the station and I'm in charge of them as well.
(04:22):
So I help them if they need helpand try and guide them in the
best way I can on air and off air and Shane and Sarah do the
same. Do you volunteer like with
anything else? No Outside.
OK, so for you it wasn't about the volunteering thing, it was
wanting to do stuff on the. Radio, wanting to do stuff on
the radio, but also I wanted to give back to the community
because of what the community does, you know, and I wanted to
(04:43):
get in there and it's, look, I don't want it to be me, me, me,
me. I'm that sort of sort of person
that I work in the background. To me making the station sound,
the way it sounds, that's my adrenaline.
That's my happy spot because I know I'm part of it.
So of those 50-60 people that are on air, Yep.
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Would they all be people that wanted to work in radio?
They were, but weren't able to get into it for whatever reason.
Yes, that's right. The people we've got there are
amazing. Everybody does their share.
When people are sick, I have to rely on other people.
They all just come in and it's just like one big happy family,
you know, and everybody just helps each other.
(05:23):
It's amazing how the station is.It's very close to my heart.
OK, so this is almost like a it's almost like a hobby for
you. Really.
Because. You do, you work full time,
that's right. But then, man, you do some hours
over the weekends. I do, I love it.
I, I've got a studio at home. So what I normally do is I come
home after, after work and I'll sit down and chillax for a
little while and then I'm like, oh, I might go in and see if I
(05:45):
can do a couple of things. So then I'll go in and I'll
start doing a couple of things that I can do with the radio.
I might even start preparing my breakfast show for the following
week or the week after that. It's all about prepping to me.
I love the preparation and that.OK, so that's good.
So it's a creative outlet for you, correct.
And it's something that you justlove doing.
Yeah. Did you try and get into radio
when you were younger? To be honest with you, I tried
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when I was about 22. I tried to get into Max Rowley.
Max Rowley had a radio. School.
Where was that? That was in Sydney.
Yeah. OK.
And I wanted to do it mainly because being a young guy back
in those days in the 90s and that I was a bit of a nerd.
I used to listen to a bit of triple MI, listen to the the
two, the L2 GI up here. And I like people like Rob
Duckworth. You know, I love Rob Duckworth
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to death. Yeah.
I think he's one of the greatestannouncers in the country, you
know, And he actually went through Max's school.
And that's why I thought, you know, I want to be like that guy
one day, you know, And then of course, I'm very fond of you
with the way you are on radio orhow you were on radio.
I love the way you were on radio.
Like you come across so positiveand everything.
And it was probably you your sort of style that way.
(06:50):
I thought, you know what, I'm going to try and do something
like this and sort of get into it.
And then when you finished and you actually, you came into the
pod van, I did send you a message and I said, hey, if you
could take some time out, could you listen to me on a on a
breakfast show one Sunday morning?
And you came back, you said really good.
You've nailed it where you need to be.
And. I remember I had some things for
you to look at and if you wanted.
To people are very helpful thesedays with radio personalities
(07:14):
that I find like yourself. Andy Grace as well.
Yeah, I, I've spoken to to Andy and and messaged him numerous
times Lovely bloke He is a lovely guy.
I used to talk to him when he was up here at * as well when
Star first came on air OK and hehe he was another guy that sort
of got me doing a few things. Then I had Mike Duncan from Star
as well. I could sit here and talk radio
(07:34):
for days and days and days. I just.
That was me as well. I I was radio will always hold a
real special place in in my heart.
I mean, 30-4 years of doing it. I lived and breathed and I was
hardcore radio nerd as well. I went to the Brian Kelly School
of Personality Radio. Yeah, when I was 15 would have
(07:55):
been. I signed up for that and did
that course and started on air not long after that.
And back then I was buying booksfrom Dan O'Day, which was this
radio consultant and guy on air in the US.
This is before the Internet and and all of that.
And so I don't even know how I found.
(08:16):
It's probably from like a, a trade magazine like Jocks
Journal or something. It would have been an ad in
there for it. So I bought these cassettes from
Dan O'Day and I bought books from over there to Morning Radio
and Morning Radio 2. I remember the set of cassettes
that turned up and it was him air checking guys that were on
air over there and I would studythose.
(08:37):
Love that stuff. Let me ask you a question, and
this is very funny. I've tried to look you up on
your history of your radio. Yeah, OK.
Where did you start in New Zealand?
Because I can't find that. I can only find where you were
over here. Yeah, You know what's crazy?
Well, where it all sort of started for me in radio was
there was this guy. And I talked about this on my
(08:59):
200th episode, which I think youlistened to with my mum and dad.
Yes. And I talked about this guy.
He was on Kiwi FM doing the night show.
His name is Kerry Varco. And I wrote to the radio station
and just said I want to do what you do.
I want to be a guy on the radio,that kind of thing.
I would mean 14 at that stage. And he wrote back with a card he
(09:20):
wrote inside it, you know, aboutfollow your dreams.
And I stuck that up on my wardrobe door.
I couldn't believe that the guy from the radio had written back
to me. And he included a little book on
like how to get started in radioand a Kiwi FM bumper sticker.
Put that up on the on the wardrobe door as well.
That was really the launch into me getting into radio.
The first station. I was 15 years old and walked
(09:42):
into school, walked into our community studies class one day
and they said, hey, you got to have your work experience thing
in today. And my initials are DJ and
someone went, you should be a DJ.
And I went, yeah, I'll be a DJ. And she went, all right, I'll
contact a radio station. And then next Wednesday went
into the class and she goes, oh,this radio station said they'll
(10:03):
take you on. So six weeks of doing Wednesdays
instead of going to school, I'd go in there and I'd type up the
win at work questions to know how to use a typewriter.
I learned and just a massive cando attitude.
I just so wanted to be there. And after that six weeks, they
got me to do a couple of things.The radio station was moving
premises and that I did the Brian Kelly School of
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Personality Radio. And then I started like
panelling some weekend shifts and then one day jumped on air
with Sally Cook, who was on air.She put me on air.
I did a break. Crazy, freaky.
I was shaking so much. And yeah, then I I got like a
Saturday 2 till 6:00 in the afternoon shift and that just
live on air playing records backthen.
(10:48):
And yeah, I got the bug for it hard at that point.
It was called radio BOP when I first started.
Then it switched to FM and it became 95-B OP FM.
And the BOP was not bop like bopmusical, though it was Bayer
plenty in New Zealand. Yeah.
So it was 95 BOP FM and then it became classic hits 95 BOP FM.
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When I left there, I was 19 and I was on air all the time by
that point, but I was doing it as classic hits 95 BOP FM.
Good afternoon. Coming up next, Doby Gray.
I was 19 years old, putting thatvoice on.
Yeah. I went to a radio station down
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the South Island and was there for 10 months and then another
radio station in the North Island for five months.
I just wanted, I just constantlywanted to be stepping up.
Yeah. And then after that I couldn't
find a brekkie gig anywhere because they all had their
brekkie shows and I had no experience and heard that over
in Australia all these AM stations had to have their FM
licenses on by a certain date. So there were jobs aplenty. 7, I
(11:57):
just grabbed backpacks, jumped on a plane, came across to
Brisbane with nothing and got a job in Griffith.
And so to wrap all of that up, in the episode with my mum and
dad for episode 200, I said thatKerry Varco, I have tried and
tried to find him and I can't. I want to like say to him, you
have no idea the impact that hadand what that led to sending me
(12:19):
that card and that book. And I've found him.
I've found him now really. I've got his phone number 0.
Wow. And so I'm going to call him.
I'm going to oh. That's excellent.
Yeah, I'm. Going to ring him and tell him
what he did and how much that meant.
That's gonna be. He would have no idea.
He's not in radio anymore. He he's a mortgage broker or
something. Gwendoline Bowling Club now,
(12:40):
they have been on board with thePod Van podcast since the very
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King Gumber Mitre 10 have been big supporters of the Pod Dan
podcast right from the start andyou get all the stuff from them
that you'd expect to. You get plans, you get all the
Weber stuff, you get all the steel gear, the amazing
principal kitchens, but it's thestuff that you don't expect.
Like we had an elderly lady comeinto the store and she brought
her remote control from her television and she didn't know
(13:45):
how to get it to work. And we opened it up and saw that
she just needed new batteries. And then she told me that her
husband had recently passed away.
So he was the one that did all that stuff for her and she
didn't have anybody around to dothat, so she needed us.
So we put factories out of the packet and put them in the
remote and we helped her out andmade her day.
That's what she got. And the mighty helpful King
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Cumber Minor Jen podcast with Rabbit.
That's, that's that's what I mean.
You're, you're like with carry on like that with a few people,
you know, because like yourself,you, Andy and Shane and Sarah.
And just a funny thing I should mention with Sarah was it was
the Saturday before I actually went on air on the Tuesday and I
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was getting very nervous and sheknew we sat there and she kept
saying to me, OK, introduce thissong.
So I kept doing it and she's going, no, do it again.
And I, I'm, I'm, I was just getting to the point where I'm
going, I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this.
I was there, no word of a lie, about 45 minutes continually
doing it. She just kept saying, do it
again. And she was the one that
actually got me over the line inthe nervous part of it, you
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know, and, and it was like I wasn't even scared when I turned
the mic on. And I couldn't believe that.
But there's still presenters outthere that get a bit nervous.
Of course you do. But I just.
Live on air, yeah. But it's just like a routine to
me now. As you said, it was a hobby of
mine and it is a hobby of mine and I love it.
Community radio is really strongat the moment and it will be
forever, I think, because there really is when you're driving
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along in traffic here on the Central Coast and then suddenly
it's all just stand still. You can actually check on Coast
FM and someone will I like there's there's just break in of
format. Someone will come on after that
song and say, hey, we're gettingreports of of whatever.
Commercial radio. You can't really do that.
It's programmed in. You've got a four song sweep
there and you you can't just jump in and give a traffic
(15:36):
update. You wished you could.
Yeah, because it's helpful, you know it is.
But I, I also get the commercialradio sensibilities around that
as well, because the fact that that traffic that may be
affecting those people right now, it's not affecting
everybody and 98% of everyone else listening, it's not
affecting. That's right, but.
That's just, that's the differences between a community
radio and commercial radio is that it doesn't hurt to jump on
(15:59):
and just give a traffic update. And I like that real sense of
day, what I get out of it. Jumping on with you on a Sunday
morning. I mean, you have me in there to
talk about what's been happeningwith the pod van over the last
week. Exactly.
We have some laughs and talk about guests coming up.
I'll play a little snippet of anepisode or something.
But it scratches the radio itch for me as far as being able to
be topical and local. And if I had just seen something
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when coming into the station andtalk about that and it's like
it's actually happening out there right now.
You don't get that so much with podcasting.
No, yeah, that's true. But yeah, I I mean, I do love
that every Sunday I look forwardto having you in, mainly because
there's adrenaline rush because I'm.
I'm looking out the window. Where is Rabbit?
Where is he? OK, we've got 4 minutes to go.
Where is he? And then also, Oh my God.
(16:47):
Where? 30 seconds to we go here He
comes, pulls up, and then he runs in the door, jumps in.
OK, how long we got 10 seconds, right.
OK, bang. And everything's right.
I can't help. No, wait, I've.
Tried I, I do try. No.
And I just listen. I don't know.
I guess I'm at the point now where I'm accepting.
Just useless it looks. Like I totally enjoy it every
Sunday, so it's. Like a Tasmanian devil racing in
(17:09):
the door. It's fun.
Bang Bang and then you're out. Do you know what?
You actually did when you were talking about your first break
on air, your first chef. You just took me back then as
well 'cause I love like talking to you.
You are very, you know, you're super passionate about radio and
being on air and then, and I didn't realise it was only 2022
for you when you first started. So that's not that long ago that
you had that. But mind you, mind you, I used
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to be one of these people that were in the bedroom.
Oh, pretending. Had the two power packs and,
Yep, the CDs playing and the tape over here with the
sweepers, 2GO FM 107.7, you knowthat sort of stuff.
And you do that and then you talk, Yeah.
And then and then the next minute you'd be sitting and the
next minute you hear this. Why turn the music down, Mum and
Dad? Totally.
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So I would have been about 13 or14 I guess when I was first like
getting like really into radio before the work experience,
before all of that. I think this would have been the
earliest time when I was playingradio was the the exact same
thing you just talked about in acaravan outside my mate's place.
And we had this little transmitter that would broadcast
like, you know, 20 or 50 meters or something so they could
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listen on the radio inside the house.
Wow. And that was me playing radio
back then. Hilarious that it was in a
caravan that I was talking into a microphone.
And here we are 200 years later.But my first break on air on
that Saturday afternoon shift when I was actually, you know,
the roster came out and they said, I'll just go check the
roster. And I went and had a look and
there I was on the Saturday total, 6:00 PM and Oh my God, it
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was live. And anyway, and I mean, I've
been doing plenty of practicing.I would go into the radio
station on the weekends and justlike record shifts, like I was
on air, I'd run the full songs and I'd take whatever they had
scheduled and I would just do exactly it from like the
previous Saturday. I'd take those logs and I'd go
and sit in the studio and I'd just do a shift and I would
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record it all on the cassette and give it to the program
director and the brekkie guy andask them if they would aircheck
me. And they did.
And so I'd work on those things again the next weekend when I'd
go in, and this was when I was 15 years old.
Then when I got my first shift, I sit down, I've got everything
set up like perfectly. And I know that OK, so after to
the news, which is live from someone in the studio sitting
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opposite you, I'm like looking at them as they're doing the
news. It's very different now.
You know, it could be coming from Sydney, it could be coming
from Adelaide, it could be coming anywhere.
The news, you don't see the person, but they're doing the
news. And then I had to fire off all
the carts. They point at me and I and I hit
the next thing goes Sports News.And then they do the sports and
then BFM weather and then they do the weather and then at the
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end of the weather like that's this is go time.
So get to the end of that and then I fire off the thing that
has the Jingle about classic hits, 95 BOP FM and then it's
got the doughnut, you know, so that's those out of radio, which
is everyone else. It's got a Jingle on the start
and then just some music that goes for and it may be like 17
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seconds, you know, it's 17 seconds and then the Jingle
plays again and then that goes into a song.
So you've got that window to talk in and you've just, you've
got to nail it. It's live, you mess up your
words and then you're trying to catch back.
Up again, then the Jingle kicks back in again.
So I had practiced. I did it.
I nailed it first. First time live on air,
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absolutely nailed it. And at that stage we'd moved
from records to CDs, slotted that in, queued up the right
track, had it all sitting there ready to go.
Did my break. The Jingle played, I fired off
the song. The song starts playing and I
went, I took my headphones off. I'm like, Oh my God, that's
like, I did it. I've done the first break.
I turned around to grab the nextCD.
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My knee hit the desk and the CD skipped too.
So the CD went from 4 minutes, 45 left on the song or whatever
to 7654 and I didn't have the next CD ready to go.
I've just been so focused on. I just need to get this first
song on and there was dead here and there was dead here.
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The song finished while I was frantically searching for CD
number 1147, throwing it into the thing, queuing up track 13,
watching as it flashes, flashes flight, waiting for the CD to be
queued up. And then, you know, as soon as
it is, hit the button on the desk.
And that was my first time ever live on air.
My heart. I don't.
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It still hasn't slowed down. What the funny part was with
with all of us that the the teamthat actually got in to do
presenting the class, when we came out of it, we were all
petrified. The first part was the weather
report. We were all looking at each
other going wow, the weather andwe're all like that worried.
Our first time we went on, I didit.
I used to always write my weather out and everything and
(21:51):
made sure it was right. Now over the years, because I've
done it so many Times Now I can walk in and just go OK, tomorrow
20, it's fine and sunny 27° Tuesday looking at a top of
around 29°. Currently outside it's 13° but.
That's like with every other job.
I think you get used to do it. It just becomes.
It's nothing now, but that was the thing that we all used to
panic about. Oh, we gotta do the weather.
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That's our first thing, you knowyou.
Better nail the weather. And and and you nail the
weather. You've got it.
You know it's the hour set up. When I was getting you in I
thought but it was going to be achat all about volunteering.
I looked up the stats on it and there's like 5 million people
currently actively volunteering in Australia at the moment.
Generally it's usually around 32% of Australians volunteer in
(22:33):
some way and the things that people do and the hours they put
into it and everything. It's amazing, isn't it?
Yeah, but I guess we're probablywith all of those things, they
would have a passion for something thing.
That's right. That's why they're doing it.
They, yeah, they want to give back.
They like being involved in it. So for you it's radio.
(22:54):
For someone else, if there's a race and there's people, the
Marshalls, all standing around Motorsports, there's so many.
So many in that. Yes, there's just so many
volunteers, but these would be people that love motorsport, I
guess. That's right.
They want to be, they want to beclose to it, you know?
Yeah. And, and I think that goes for a
lot of people. That's why they do it, because
they want to be close to that thing that they actually love,
you know? Yeah, and they can get their fix
(23:16):
from being around it and part ofit without actually needing to
work in that industry or whatever like in in Motorsports.
Exactly but. How do you get into, you know,
working on AV8 supercar team or something like that?
I know it's amazing. But you can go along and stand
there and hold flags, Yep, and signal things and it gets you
close to. It does.
It does get you close. And, and, and the funny part is
(23:38):
too, that we've not only got presenters there, we've got
volunteers that come in and actually help out with, you
know, like emails and stuff likethat as well.
Oh really? There's people.
Come in and help out with that like empty bins.
Go and get the milk and the cookies and everything.
Everybody comes in it just. Helps it so there's ones in
there that aren't wanting to be on air not.
Wanting to be on air. They just want to be part of the
(23:58):
team. Yeah.
And I've got people that that come out with me when I do the
OBS. And they don't wanna be on air.
They just wanna help me hook everything up, you know?
And then they're amazed. Do you know, do they volunteer
doing other things outside of Some of them do, yes.
Yeah. Some people, I reckon, are just
helpers. They want to help.
Yeah, yeah. And it's satisfying, you know,
and the, the thing for me is when we go out and the people
(24:19):
that come up and say thank you so much for what you do, we
appreciate it. That to me is personally, that's
what I love. I've a.
Funny thing as well because you don't think of it as doing
anything for anyone I know. But you I.
Mean with with Coast Defend, there'd be a lot of people that
that's their companion. That's right.
A lot of people by themselves get the radio on across the day
and they can get that sort of connection with that voice that
(24:42):
they're hearing. In all honesty, my my biggest
surprise was one morning. It was absolutely teeming on a
Sunday morning at the station. You couldn't see out the window
or anything. And I just got on air and I was
doing my normal thing. Next minute the phone rings and
it was this would have been an elderly gentleman.
And he just said, I just want toring and thank you.
It's a terrible day outside, butGod, you're bringing sunshine
(25:03):
into those speakers this morning.
Thank you very much for doing what you do.
And I just knew there. I just felt the I just felt so
grateful. And I'll never, ever forget that
call. Yeah, because that's.
You're making someones day, you know what I mean?
It's actually had an impact on someone and so good of him to
call up as well. Well mate, thanks for jumping
in. Thank you and being the surprise
(25:24):
guest. Oh surprise.
Alright. God, your heart beats tracking
away there. Say good day to the whole team
in there from me, but what a pack of legends to be so
passionate about radio and a radio station that they wanna
just give their time to help it do what it does for the
community. I appreciate it and that's what
we're here for, the community. Now you'll catch Wayne on Sunday
(25:45):
mornings. He does the Sunday morning
Brackie. That's when I pop up as well
around 8:31. Thanks, Wayne.
No worries mate. Thank you.
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