November 2, 2025 • 45 mins
"Why isn't anyone talking about this?"
That's the question that sat with Richard and Lee for years... so they started a podcast (Richly Told) to talk about it all themselves!
In this episode, we get into all the stuff we usually hide: the feeling of being a "terrible employee," the courage it takes to talk about mental health, and that moment of finally admitting you might need to ask for help (and what happens when you're a total sceptic about it).
It's a chat that I reckon will make a lot of people go, "Oh, that's soooo like me."
We also chat about why they homeschool their kids and there's a hilarious story about how they got together!
You can (and totally should) check out their podcast, Richly Told, here!
If you enjoy it, feel free to leave a comment - or maybe rate the podcast if you haven't done so yet? Thanks heaps!!
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Rabbit Podcast with Rabbit Hey, I'm Rabbit.
I record this podcast inside a cute little retro caravan from
1967 that I've tore around all over the place.
Fan podcast with Robbie my guestthis morning.
This is only the second third time that we've ever met in
person yet I've known them for months they actually do a
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podcast of their own and I'll I'll tell you all about the
podcast they can tell you about the podcast as well Some of the
stuff we're going to chat about during this is they homeschool
their kids. We're going to talk about that
and why and why they took them out of school.
My parents took no, no school took me out of school.
The things I've learned from listening to their podcast and I
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really hope to by the end of this chat, find out what one of
them does for a job. Actually, both of them.
I still don't know. It is a Ripper podcast.
It's called Richly Told. It's one of the ones that I
produce. There's like half a dozen of
them now that I work on. I laugh every time when I'm
editing this podcast. There's a lot of giggles in it.
It deserves a big audience, thispodcast, and so that's the goal
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with it really. Richard and Leigh from the
Richly Told podcast. Welcome to the pod Van.
Thank you for having me. And it's the first time you guys
have seen it, isn't it? In real life, yeah.
MMM it's we've known each other for months.
It's the first time I've been inhere.
Yeah, it's so funny that we, I reckon I'd edited at least a
dozen of your episodes before we'd ever met in person.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, at least. I think so.
We actually didn't realise how many episodes we'd done.
Yeah, what are you up to? I think I've just sent you over
18 and 19. 18 and 19 Wow cranking the mouse.
Yeah, Richard said. Oh, we must have done at least
10. Yeah, and I knew I.
Know there's more, more than 10 and I jumped on Spotify to have
a look and I was like, Oh no, there's 17, you get 17.
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So you explain what your podcastis about.
I tell people it's like the Seinfeld of business podcasts,
but it's like almost like a podcast about nothing, but it's
about. Everything.
We got that. We got that.
Julie and I on the radio here, the station manager walked in
one day and he just goes, I finally figured it out, Like
what your show is about and likewhat it is.
(02:16):
Yeah. And we're like, oh, great.
Tell us. And he goes, it's like the
Seinfeld of radio shows. It's a show about nothing.
Oh, OK, exactly. Say that and we we cracked up
laughing and then we kind of he walked away and we both sat
there in silence going is that agood.
Thing. Seinfeld win.
OK, but yeah, really hard to describe.
I actually think your podcast ismore than that because I have to
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describe it to people because they asked me.
How do you describe it to? People.
So for me, I mean, a big thing is Lee's book that you brought
out what, 10 years ago or so, yeah, called Once Upon a Time in
Small Business. Yeah.
And each episode is essentially taking one of the chapters from
the book and breaking it down. And there's just a whole bunch
of lessons from business. But it's not just business.
(03:02):
Like every single one of the things that you talk about is
relatable just in everyday life.Yeah.
Right. Like it's become more than just
a business podcast and a lot of the people who I speak to who
who are listening to it are not necessarily business owners.
Totally. Yeah, I get that.
Because things like when you're talking about a whole episode on
a communication and how important communication you take
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that into your relationship, your work relationships.
I love it. Yeah, I think it's unique
because we are married and we doso many things.
Our life is just a big life, really.
It's a big life. It's a big.
Old life, yeah. I'm getting it.
Yeah. Like a couple of weeks ago, I'm
talking to you and you were gonna try and knockout a couple
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of episodes, like record a couple of episodes before
Richard went to somewhere. Oh yeah, that didn't happen.
We were. We've been saying that for
months. Yeah, I know.
Yeah. Yeah, I know.
We get into a couple of episodesbefore Richard goes to Orlando
the New Orleans New Orleans Colorado made to.
Texas. Texas.
Austin. Austin was.
Yeah, in Austin. Vegas.
(04:05):
Yep, that's coming up March. Yeah, but then even when he's
over there doing whatever it is that he does for his job, which
I still don't know after all of these episodes, he's a.
National man of mystery. Yeah.
And then I'm talking to you, Lee, while while he's away and
you're like, yeah, we should actually, we might not be able
to record on Monday because Richard might be having to go to
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New York. Yeah.
What? Yeah.
Who has to might have to go to New York while they're over
there and then suddenly? Things come up.
Things happen. So you guys own multiple
businesses? Yeah.
And have had even other ones? Yeah, and sold them.
They screwed them up and got ridof them.
Jack, that's what the books are about.
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Well, that's what the books are about.
It was least therapy 'cause we kept screwing things up and it
was stressful. Yeah, we've never sold.
We've built things and. They kind of morph into.
They morph into the next thing. Yeah.
We've never actually sold one. No, that might be the next
thing. Build something to sell.
Cause 'cause we kind of do it and then it's like, oh, then we
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see another sort of path. Actually, we speak about this in
the last. We don't even know what we do.
No, it terrified me when you said I'm gonna find out what
they do 'cause I don't know how to.
Feel like good film in Yeah, it's.
Yeah, they kinda just, they kinda just morph into the next
thing in the next thing. You're just straight up on
trapreneurs. Right, we get bored easily.
I don't know. I don't.
I've never really liked the wordentrepreneur.
Nor have I for some reason, and I think that's what I am now.
(05:34):
Yeah, I would say so. And I would say what is an?
Entrepreneur though, like. No, I've had arguments with
people about it. When they've called you one.
No, when they've called themselves one.
Oh no, I just did, I think. You can.
No, no, I think you can be entrepreneurial.
To Richard Case, I think anyone who calls themselves an
entrepreneur. Isn't well, but.
What's? The difference between that and
a business owner, Well. That's what I'm wondering is, is
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that what an entrepreneur is I? Think an entrepreneur goes out
and creates? Opportunity.
Something. New, I think you can be a
business owner, you can go and buy a business, which we have
done. We own Byron Leather.
We bought Byron Leather. So I don't necessarily consider
that an entrepreneurial businessbecause that existed before me
and I came in and continued it and grew it.
But I didn't create it. I didn't create the opportunity.
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And I think so with you, with the POD van, with everything
that you're doing, I do see you created this opportunity.
And more and more and more and. More and more and more and now
it's growing and increasing and that's what I think.
So yes, I do consider you to be an entrepreneur.
I. Think it's probably something
where somebody creates somethingnew.
Anything else? Creating their own
opportunities, I think, yeah. That's a funny one.
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I mean, I, I wouldn't look, I wouldn't call myself that.
I wouldn't call us entrepreneurs.
But you guys invent businesses? We do all the time.
I'm pretty sure that's a big part of Entrepreneur.
I mean, we could look it up and actually find out the answer,
but yeah. I also think an entrepreneur
does more than one thing or you can't really nail down what they
do. Yeah, because I mean you do
multiple things. Yeah, I think an entrepreneur
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actually is an entrepreneur has never been said more in a
podcast ever in the last five minutes.
But I think the definition is just undiagnosed ADHD people in
business. Probably.
Or diagnosed. Just just don't get bored.
Easily. Yeah, they wake up with an idea
and we'll go with that for the test.
It's. So funny because I've been an
employee for my entire life and I never would have even thought
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about the opportunity of doing my own thing.
Just never even saw it. Took being pushed to find out.
Well, Lee and I grew up. With both our dads.
Both our dads ran their own businesses and built their own
businesses. I've not known any other away I
tried employment one. We're both terrible.
And we're the worst employees ever.
In fact, the last job I had was 12 years ago.
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Yes, when I met hackers. Actually, I was working for a
mobile computer repair business and yeah, part of the interview
process was Edible Disk Profile.Oh yeah, mine came back and
their recommendation was for them not to.
Hire him. Do not hire.
Him. He'll end up taking over.
He'll he won't like anything that you do.
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Yeah, that's what's really interesting about a disk
profile, is that it doesn't meanyou're a bad person or anything.
You just may not be the right fit.
Yeah, it's a. Little looking right person,
right? Well.
It's funny that we just, it's funny that we're talking about
this cause the episode that Richard and I just recorded, we
were talking about right people,right roles.
Yeah, OK. And.
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That's coming up so. But I I jump on that I lasted I
think 3 months there. I didn't like the way it was
run. Nothing a lot, nothing about it.
So then I started my own one. Tough to do as a business owner
when you if a part of the interview process is you get the
candidate to do a disk profile. Yeah, then you really like them
and they're really. Oh, and they're so switched on
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and everything, but the disk profile says don't hire them.
Yeah, I get it now. I actually get that now.
Well, that's what happened with this guy.
He really liked you. He did.
Yeah, I mean. I like dinner and everything.
Didn't he? And they?
Yeah, he's someone who you stilltalk about.
It's just too many cheese. Well, that and that can be the
problem because when you're hiring someone and they're just
like you, you go, you're awesome.
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Well, my profile. You're a real go getter and you,
you got so many ideas. Yep.
Oh, you don't know is they're gonna do your head in 'cause
you've already got one of them. It's you.
Yeah, and that that that was theproblem.
It actually came back that I wasa higher D qualities than he did
and they said it's not gonna be a good fit.
Yeah. And he ignored it and it lasted
3 months. It's so fresh in my mind, this
disc stuff, because Marcus's episode on Business Unlocked
(09:32):
just last week, yeah, was all about.
Oh, he loves that disc. He loves that he loves.
That he did as they told us. He told us.
Yeah. How are you guys still married?
I don't know. Yeah, so funny.
It's an interesting thing. If you, if you're listening to
this and you don't know what thedisk profile is, why go into it
now, but find that episode of Marcus Korok's one where he goes
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through the disk profile becauseI've heard him do it a few Times
Now. And in that episode he did it
the best that I've ever heard. It was really good.
It was really succinct and a grave a great.
He did the story of like going to the restaurant.
He's probably done that one withyou.
The D goes, hey, we should all go out to out to dinner.
And then the eye goes, sweet, I'll organise it.
Yeah. And and then they call it S and
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it's just hilarious. The C does my head in.
Yeah. The person who wants all the
details was, oh, I don't know about there, and maybe I
shouldn't park there. I should park further away
'cause my car might get dinged and everything.
Yeah. And he's like the D has parked
in a loading zone, is already inside the restaurant.
What have you done? A disk profile.
I think I might have done it with Marcus, but even listening
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to the episode, yeah, Heidi. Heidi.
Yeah. Also I and it's mostly D and I
really. That's me.
I'm D and I pretty much 5050, wasn't it?
And your DNS, DNS 50 pretty much50.
Oh, OK. Yeah.
The steady you like, Yes. You like things to be steady
Instructions as it is in the S 'cause I'm engineer, yeah.
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Well, you go, you got some part of what I do you already.
I don't even know an entrepreneurial.
Engineer. And what's funny actually as
well is one of the the other businesses that I work with,
Grumpy Ginger Yanko, the owners of that, well, Alicia, she's
actually going to be on an episode soon as well.
Because another one that just fascinates me, I think dropped
out of school in year 10, went under study law, then became an
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environmental scientist, now owns a knitting and yarn store
and loves it. But they're the couple that I
always get confused with You 2. You're so similar as a couple.
And Jared is an engineer. Her story's really similar to
mine too, which is funny. Really.
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. And I have a terrible memory.
So like, right now, where my brain just went to is like,
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wait, are you the same people? No, you're not.
No, no. It's.
And I do get you guys confused sometimes as well.
You said that your parents ownedtheir own businesses.
And so you've been brought up that way.
Yep. Your kids who are hanging out
here out the back of they're driving.
Me mad because they will not sitstill.
I don't know. It is driving me absolutely
great. When I the.
Other one's been good. Still please.
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Did they go to school originallybecause you homeschooled them
now? Yeah.
Yeah, so they've both been to school.
COVID was the catalyst. Oh, OK.
Pretty much for a lot of people.Well.
Everyone went to homeschooling. Everyone went to homeschooling.
Grace had struggled with school up until that point, and it
wasn't until we came home and started looking through
everything and helping her that we realised how much she was
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struggling at school and how farbehind she was for such a highly
intelligent kid. Yeah.
So, so we looked into homeschooling world and went
from there. Tom's four years younger.
So at that point Tom hadn't started school, but he wanted
to, he wanted to have that school experience.
And so we sent him off and he got two years in and said I
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think I want to be home schooledas well.
Do you think, I mean, I already know the answer to this from
editing your episodes and stuff.And you touched on this very
early and it's, it's really controversial.
It is. To talk about.
I get worried every time we talkabout it, yeah.
I don't know why, there's lots of different ways.
There is because because it justseems to be one of those things
where people have such an emotional response and.
(13:14):
Reaction. Well, my wife's a school
teacher. And your wife's a school
teacher. And funnily enough, and Marcus
will tell you this, the highest percentage of parents that
homeschool their kids are teachers.
Right. Because it's not the teachers,
it's the system. The system that we have.
But it's also it. It's not the, it's not the
system thing. It's just the kids are
different. Each kid is different and
that's. What I was gonna say, I think
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different kids, there are ones that absolutely will thrive.
I would say my daughter's one ofthose study, study, study, learn
the thing. Yep.
Regurgitate the thing. Yep, get 100%.
She literally just got 100% on an English essay.
That was I was so surprised by school was not for me.
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Yeah, so the school told me I had to tell my mum when I went
home that day. Turns out school's not for me.
No kidding. But yeah, the one she had to do
recently was to write an essay on particular topic, and it was
about four pages long, I think. Big, long, long essay, all
handwritten. And then you essentially have to
(14:18):
rewrite it in class. Yeah, in the set time, they give
you the same question and you just then write it all out.
So it became like a if you work on it, you come up with it, you
write it all down, and then you've got to memorize it and
then write it out. I always struggled with that
because you had to do it and think their way.
Yeah. So the defining moment for me
was in a maths class and I arrived at the right answer, but
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I didn't arrive at the answer that the book said is the way
you work it out. And they had them in this
argument with the teacher. And I did end up saying you
don't get it. You don't understand God.
You're just reading the answer in the back of the book.
There's four ways to solve this problem.
This is this is this was me in school and always asking
questions. And then they try and force you
into this, into this grief, and some kids love that and some
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kids thrive. And I didn't, our kids didn't,
because we kind of like to see abigger picture, a bigger world,
not be sort of told this is how you're meant to think.
But see, and that just there areones like, as you say, they love
that, that need that, they love that and you need those people
in the world. Why?
We've never been those parents that said we are for one or the
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other. That's why when Tom said that he
wanted to go to school and have the school experience, we said,
OK, off you go. And if he had thrived there, he
would still be there. Yep.
But he didn't write. People write roles.
We think about that in. I mean that always goes back to
the disc profile. Really, I was just sad to say
that for some reason everybody wants to be AD and I don't know
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why, because the world, there's not one profile is better than
the other. Yeah, I don't know that everyone
wants to be ADI. Don't.
Know why? I don't.
I don't. I don't think so because my wife
would be more SC if you actuallyshe don't wanna be AD.
No, but if you if you look at itfor some reason, I don't know
what it. Is.
But they could be AD people actually research disk profiles
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to find out what the answers areto get AD profile.
We know somebody who did that, who tried to doctor their
profile to be able to say they were AD and they would walk
around and go I'm, I'm AD, I'm ahigh D, And we tell people what
we are when we're talking about it, but we don't just in general
conversation bring up that we'rea high D on a disk.
Profile Yeah, it's funny thing though.
It's weird, but. Not one way is better than the
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other. Oh absolutely not how you
educate your kids home schooled or school.
Not one way is better than the other.
It's just what works for the individual and and and.
Different ones, the D, the I, the S, the C of that.
All of them will end up in different jobs.
Yeah. And different roles.
Yeah. I did see a thing that I'll say
the word again. Entrepreneurs are mostly D's,
yeah. D's and I's, Yeah, they're.
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Yeah. Super motivated.
Super. Element of risk as well, and
high DS will take a risk. And fast pace.
I'm going to do it and I'm not going to think about it too
much. Let's just do it and we'll see
what happens, yeah? I think what it is too is
everybody wants to be the boss. Again on that, I don't know.
I think we're looking at it because we are those to oh,
you're are you D as well? Yeah, yeah, yeah, D as well
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because I reckon if we asked like a full on C or or an S that
loves it, steady loves it. No, they just wanna go to work.
Just do the job. They're they're.
Home. Yeah, there are.
People like, I don't want all that pressure on me.
Yeah. You know, there's actually
something I really love about your podcast, and that's when
you guys disagree on things. We disagree all the.
Time more than we agree. But it's really respectful of
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anything. I agree on.
We disagree all the time. No, I don't know that we do
probably. The thing that takes up the
majority of our time is a disagreement.
Well, I said in there just respectfully though, like it's a
real thing that comes across andon one of your first episodes I
loved someone commented online about I love the way Richard
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speaks to Lee. That took a long time, though.
Yeah. Hasn't always like we would
argue so badly and not respectfully.
Yeah, it's just. Well, I I met Lee through work.
She was working for one of our clients for a company I was
working for 20 years ago, a longtime ago. 2030 it's quite a gap
between those 3 numbers. What was it, 2030?
(18:17):
Enough for it to be 38. Years ago it was, I don't know,
it was around the 1920s, but. I mean, she was a pain in there.
I was really difficult and I think you enjoyed being
difficult. I didn't enjoy my job.
I didn't enjoy the role I was inor the responsibility that kept
getting added to my plate. And then I would continually
have to call someone. And I don't like asking people
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for help. And I would have have to ring
him and go, hey, that's not working.
I had to make the hard conversations and I really hated
that. And that just didn't come across
well. How funny that you 2 ended up
together. Well, it was five years later
he. Did.
You know what he did? He used to do so.
They did software systems for pharmacies.
Please tell me he would break stuff so that you'd have to call
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him. Break stuff, but what he would
do, So I was the job that I was in.
We were building like this healthcare centre in Ultimo in
Sydney. From the ground up, there was a
pharmacy. See, there was a whole lot of
things and I was standing in front of the cash drawer on the
phone to him and he remotely opened the cash drawer and made
it hit me in the hip because I was paying a real.
I was in Brisbane at the time too.
(19:21):
I was saved and I was like I'm going in the morning breaking,
what is going on, blah, blah, blah.
Do I need to find a new system blah blah blah.
Like bang, just open it in cash drawer works and he could see
could you see me? No, you weren't looking to.
No, I asked. No, I asked you where you were
standing, he said right in frontof the Kestrel, saying boom.
(19:41):
That is using your powers for evil.
Yeah, it's quite often used these powers for evil.
He's also used to send me text messages from like God and
Satan. Like, this is 25 years ago,
before people. That's right before there was a
thing where people could do all this AI and yeah, yeah, I would
get a text message on my phone from Satan, for God, for some.
(20:03):
Thing And because you know why do you like?
It used to come from God, used to say not afraid, but didn't
actually change it. And send me text messages.
I had no idea. God would be having a full on
conversation when she was here, yes, when she was in uni, when
she was in the lecture trying todo work.
Keep people up out the back. This one for the first time.
(20:23):
It wasn't two years later. I'm now.
When I was talking about she goes, there was.
I didn't know it was him until recently.
Oh wow, it's so talking about the kids having a laugh at that
story there. So the kids are, I mean that
they are little entrepreneurs oftheir own, yes.
Anyway, they have started what is it business Groms.
Business Groms, they have got their own.
So a couple of weeks ago when Richard was away and we didn't
(20:46):
get to record, the kids came on our podcast.
I was blown away. So Grace and Tom What?
Both in their mid 40s? Yeah, Yeah.
Born in 1920 as well. Yeah, seriously, how old are
they actually? Tom's just turned 10 a week or
two ago, and Grace is about to turn 1414.
And but the way they speak in that podcast, I was just shaking
(21:09):
my head the whole time going, Ohmy God, you're smarter than me.
Well, they've got a few things that they want to teach kids and
parents with their podcast, so we're about to start looking at
recording Wow with them. Yeah, keep an eye out for that.
We'll see how that goes. We just need to create a few
more hours in our day. Yeah, Yeah.
This is exactly what you guys need is to do other.
(21:31):
Another project. Bring on other projects so that
WhatsApp from Jamie Dixon. Please send one link.
Can you hear that? Yeah, it's coming out of my
glasses. This is my glasses telling me
Jamie Dixon's just said WhatsAppmessage.
Well, obviously I have to figureout how to turn that off of.
Course flight mode. But stop it, stop it, right,
(21:54):
Getting all these messages, Look, the glasses in you and I'm
still figuring out it's the metaRay Bans, the fun for like, I'm,
I mean, I'm not recording right now, but it was before to get a
different camera angle while we're chatting.
Yeah, the kids, you're kind of teaching the kids to not have to
just be employees. When I say just being employees
again is that thing some people want to be employees.
(22:15):
But it's it's more we're teaching them how to explore
what they want to explore. Or does that make sense?
I feel like there's. No.
Options. There's no, there's no
boundaries. Oh my God, Jamie, my assumptions
had nasty cheap. I can.
Hear it. You can hear it too.
Yeah. I hope it's not personal, Jamie.
(22:36):
No, this is one of the, it's oneof the other businesses that I
work with and I consult with them.
We had a big meeting the other day and I was showing her, are
we doing some editing in cap cutand she was coming up with some
ideas for content. And then I was given all these
ideas back and she was like, Oh my God, the way your brain
thinks, it's just weird. And so that message was her
going, oh, now you've got me thinking like that.
(22:57):
That's good. Which is good, yeah.
Exactly which? Is what we're trying to will not
teach the kids. I don't think you can teach
having a weird brain. I think you can teach embracing
the weirdness of your brain. Mm hmm.
That's what we just allow. We just facilitate them to be
able to explore what they want to explore.
They Tom gets the thought and hejust wants to run with it.
Grace gets something and she wants to run with.
(23:17):
It are they different as far as like on the disk profile do you
reckon? Very.
Oh, really. Very, very, very.
'Cause we just said one will getan idea and run with it, the
other will get an idea and run with it.
Different ideas. Some will get directions, yeah,
but some will get an idea and then think about it.
Yeah, think about it. Tom's a thinker.
Tom's a thinker and Tom's a researcher, so Tom will go and
(23:38):
research the topic that he's mostly it's.
What do you mostly research? King.
Oh, recipes at the moment because Tom wants to be a chef.
So for Tom's 10th birthday, his birthday present request was a
commercial kitchen. OK, I mean I'm high, couldn't.
Put that unfortunately you got alightsaber instead.
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Free lightsabers actually do. You call up, and that's a
business lesson all the time. Shoot for the commercial
kitchen. Get a lightsaber.
These these are the combat lightsabers, the flu.
On they're very cool. I have to send you a photo but.
It's another life lesson you don't always get what you want.
No. But you might get something
else. Cool.
We have managed to. Yeah, well, he's still, he's got
(24:22):
the BBQ. We, we, we cook on the barbecue
on the Blackstone and we live onLake Macquarie, so he likes to
fish and catch and cook. So he's a real researcher,
whereas Grace is not a researcher.
No, Grace is more instinctual. She's more instinctual.
And also, Grace is a reader, she's a creative.
So I would say that she's more the creative eye and he's more
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the S. Oh yes, that's right.
I know. Exactly.
What I'm doing, my mom was into making candles a few years ago
and she kept all the stuff and she pulled it out and she
thought Grace would sit down anddo all the research and Grace
just ripped the bags open and started making candles.
And my mom, who's very systems is going.
(25:05):
God, candles. You just you just unlocked a
core memory for me from that when you said candles.
When we arrived in Australia, Sav and I came over with just a
backpack H and we arrived in Brisbane.
We went down to the Gold Coast and while we were there my wife
got a job waitressing and I cameup with an idea of selling
(25:29):
candles in restaurants, like 2 restaurants.
OK. So it was essentially this is my
business idea. Entrepreneur.
Yeah, I was. I was.
I went, I'll go to like a $2.00 store, buy the candles for 2
bucks and then like whack a sticker on them of some sort and
then sell them to restaurants for 10 bucks each.
I had a couple of meetings, thankfully for everybody.
(25:53):
I got a job in radio very, very quickly and we moved to
Griffith. Candle thing, I don't know how,
like pictures have. Quite often she'd come home from
work so she would ride a bike towork at the Tipsy Prawn where
some waitress, she would come home.
She did split shifts, she'd comehome in between and I'd be
(26:14):
standing out on the street with a footy just waiting to kick the
footy with her 'cause I've been home all day by myself.
And you're bored. Waiting for candle orders to
come in. With a with.
A toy wagging, however, jump thebike.
There. Seriously.
And then, you know, I hit her with I've got an idea.
I'm gonna sell candles. So your wife had a pet?
(26:36):
She's so patient, the pet rabbit.
My. God pet rabbit.
She was probably the one sendingmy air chip down to radio
stations. And let's get you back into one
of those. King Kumper, Mighty Chan have
been big supporters of the Pod Dan podcast right from the start
and you get all the stuff from them that you'd expect to.
You'd get plans, you'd get all the Weber stuff, you get all the
(26:57):
steel gear, the amazing principal kitchens, but it's the
stuff that you don't expect, like we.
Had an elderly lady come into the store and she brought her
remote control from her television and she didn't know
how to get it to work. And we opened it up and saw that
she just needed new batteries. And then she told me that her
husband had recently passed away, so he was the one that did
(27:18):
all that stuff for her and she didn't have anybody around to do
that, so she needed us. So we took batteries out of the
packet and put them in the remote and we helped her out and
made her day. That's what she get the mighty
helpful King Campbell Minor ChenGwendoline Bowling Club now.
They have been on board with thePod Van podcast since the very
beginning and I appreciate them so much.
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If you haven't been out there before, pop on out and check it
out. It's right on the shores of Lake
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from great food at the ForeshoreBistro.
You can grab some drinks in the beer garden.
There's live entertainment all the time and they got coffee and
snacks down by the water at the Foreshore kiosk.
Good place to kick the footy around with the kids there as
(28:00):
well. It's the kind of place that just
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listen to some live music. It's Gwendoline Bowling Club
drop in some time. Check out what's on on their
Facebook page or at gwendolinebowlingclub.com dot
AU. You are now starting to talk
(28:23):
about, you've talked about some mental health stuff and that in
the podcast as well, and the stresses and the stuff of a
couple working where one is awayquite often and the other one's
at home and you talk about all that.
That's one episode. We don't need to get into the
the mental health stuff now, butwhen certainly it's very
relatable. Very relatable.
(28:45):
Yeah, the stuff in the in those episodes, you're just, you're
very, you're open books, aren't you?
That's that's the whole idea. I don't know how not to be.
First of all, I just open my mouth and it comes out.
I think also so many people don't talk about all these
things. And that was the driver for
doing the book in the 1st place.We would quite often go, why
(29:06):
isn't anyone talking about this?Because we'd start talking about
it and then everyone would be like, Oh yeah, we went through
that same sorry, so sorry. Everybody.
Everybody does. I kind of went, well, I'll write
about it because, you know, it'snot embarrassing.
It's learning well, life. People think it's, I don't know,
it's just this is a stigma, right?
So if you fail at something, people kind of think that's
(29:29):
weakness. Well, people, if you fail at
something, you yourself think that you failed you.
It was a weakness. But I actually think it takes a
lot of courage to to share that.Yeah.
And all of a sudden it gives other people permission to say,
oh, yeah, I screwed that up too or whatever.
And at least the conversation happens.
Well, that's what I found with all the mental health stuff.
As soon as I started and I didn't talk about it much, but
there were some people I would talk to and I was always shocked
(29:51):
when they would go. Oh, same.
Yeah, we were too. He was like, what?
So we were shocked as well. I was like, oh, you mean, oh,
you did that too. Oh, and then every other people
would say, oh, you did that as well.
And really, why are we not? But.
At the time that they felt like they were the only one, yeah.
We you always do, you always think you're the only one.
So much shame. And I just read Julie's book,
Julie Goodwin's. Well, she read it to me and it
(30:13):
was amazing. I cried all the way through it.
Oh clarify, that's an audio book.
That's not you can't like purchase Julie to come to your
house and would love and read beamazing.
I mean it could probably the price on it had.
A pretty high property, good price I.
Think new business idea renting out Julie.
Julie for a. Very, Julie.
(30:34):
If she shares this, it was a good idea but and I take a cut
obviously. But as I was listening to it, I
was thinking that could happen to anyone.
Yeah, that could happen to me. And she was.
So you could hear it in her voice as she was reading, how
deeply embarrassed and ashamed she felt.
(30:56):
I'm getting goosebumps because Iactually cried all the way
through Julie's book and this part in particular.
But I was thinking she's all of us.
That could happen to any of us. And the fact that she's talking
about it and making people awareof it, I don't know.
I just think we all, if we all did that, how much easier this
would all be. When those things hit you,
(31:18):
because I'm in a very strange place at the moment myself in
that my mental health, I'm in a good spot right now.
I now get when people say that they don't get it, the whole
mental health thing, and that you really, you can't understand
it if you're not going through it or if you haven't gone
through it. And that's not to say you won't.
(31:41):
Yeah, because you don't know quickly too.
It can happen really fast to anyone at any time.
Or it can be happening and you don't know it.
Yeah. I mean, 10 years of being gluten
free for me, thinking that was gluten.
I'm not gluten free anymore. A lot of that, I mean, because
I'm off my anxiety meds now. I'm off to all the gluten free
stuff, thank goodness. But that's after 10 years and my
(32:03):
guts ain't crook. I'm not super crazy tired all
the time. I was operating at a nine and
A10 all the time. Yeah.
At a high level of stress and anxiety.
And every now and then the body would just shut down.
Yeah. And I'd blame it on one.
And I hit last night. Yeah.
Yeah. And it's a burden, isn't it?
It's a burden. Yeah, this is a burden.
(32:24):
And our our podcast is about that.
Really. Honestly, our episodes are
basically about what we screwed up that week.
Yeah, lucky. I've got so much content, yeah.
Screw up a. Lot stuff, all the.
Time screw up all the time. It's limitless content.
Anyone who can't admit that theymess up all the time.
Is but this is the this is wherethe burden comes from, right,
messing up because everybody wants the insta life.
Everybody wants to be perfect. Everybody wants to appear
(32:45):
perfect. That's what creates the burden.
The reality is no one is any of those things.
And as soon as you start actually going, you know what?
I'm not gonna hide it anymore. I'm gonna tell people my mental
health improved dramatically, and not because other people
were saying, Oh yeah, I was doing that too.
But because I wasn't, didn't have to feel like I had to hide
it anymore. I didn't have to.
I didn't have to pretend. Smile on your face, I.
(33:07):
Didn't have to pretend that I was this awesome thing that was
completely unrealistic. Yeah.
And all of us are going around doing that.
You see that business networkinggroups, you see it and kind of
gone through that myself come out the other side.
I see it in other business owners and networking groups
that are in that loop now and they've got picture perfect
everything. But you know that when they go
(33:28):
home or in their own heads, theyare not.
It gets to a point where even the littlest thing will just
send you on a on a downward, partly because you just it just
in this infinite loop. And that's my biggest thing with
it all, was that I couldn't control it.
I couldn't control how I was feeling and where my brain was
going to share it. I didn't.
(33:48):
I didn't for a long time, but that's how you and that was what
I beat myself up about. I think this is so stupid.
It's my brain. And I always felt this thing of
like, you control how you feel about everything.
So you can choose whether to look at things in a positive way
or a negative way. You can choose to find the
positive in pretty much everything.
That was where I was living. And then when my brain started
(34:08):
going to all these horrible places, I'm beating myself up
over it, going when I do it, I don't need medication.
I don't need to talk to somebodyabout that.
I should be able to control thismyself.
Well, I I just switched to philosophy.
It is what it is. You know I'm not gonna get
stressed. Out for you.
It works for me, that's why I. Was living in that place too.
And then recently I started seeing a psychologist.
(34:30):
But I've always been anti any kind of psychology I would have.
I would be like, I don't need tosit and talk about my problems.
I don't want to sit. Yeah, You know, I feel like if
you talk about your problems, you're perpetuating it and
bringing life to it. And I went and finally booked an
appointment with a psychologist and sat down and it was amazing.
(34:50):
She gave me all these like tools.
This is why this is happening and This is why that's
happening. And that's completely valid.
And as someone who's a skeptic going into it, for you to come
out and say that, Yep. I look forward to our sessions
now. Yeah.
And it was really, really hard. Richard actually had to make the
phone call for me. Mm hmm, I ended.
(35:10):
Up so we know this particular person, this psychologist, we
know her through our business networks so she's not a friend
but we know of her so Richard called her and said this is the
deal and Lee won't ring you she won't ask for help with my
permission he couldn't do it without me knowing but.
I He didn't bundle you up and put you into the van and.
No, he did it. Not yet.
(35:33):
I bought the bag but. Just pop this jacket on, it may
feel snug. You'll be fine.
But yeah, and then she sent me atext and said I've had a
conversation with Richard. These are the times.
And we communicated via text initially.
So I had to ease myself into actually going, yeah.
But now I countdown to when I'm going to be able to go.
(35:54):
And I don't sit there and go, well, this happened and that
happened. Well, this happened.
I say, well, I do say this happened, but I go, why?
And what could I do differently?Or and understanding the
mechanisms behind certain thoughts and thought patterns.
It's amazing, isn't? It, well, it's incredible and
it's the same for everyone. So when Lee went there and was
(36:16):
sharing things about what was going on and how she was feeling
and the psychiatrist was saying,well, this is the reason why.
It's because there is a science.There is a reason why and
everybody has the same reason. Whatever the triggers are,
whatever it is, we're all the same, different, different
triggers, but they're underlining everything is all
the same. It's why they can help, and it's
why they can they can show ways to handle it.
(36:40):
Yeah. And we're not also unique that
all of our problems are so unique to, to, to ourselves.
Everyone's problems are the same.
And you find that out when you do start talking when.
You start talking and. They go and not.
I mean the same thing. Not only that, I've had people
'cause now I'm used to just saying, oh, this is not going
right now. People go, Oh yeah, I had that
like a year ago. All you go do is this, this and
this. Oh, thank you.
(37:00):
Saved me so much. Money, yeah, OK.
You know where is my old versionof me would have just struggled
on privately. Don't want to let others know
that you're failing at whatever or, you know, you're struggling
with whatever this thing is, I think.
But if you open up to that, someone can go.
Oh, I did that, yeah. Let me show you that's when
networking. All of a sudden I realised what
networking was actually really about.
(37:20):
Because that's a word I hate. Yeah, but.
It's not. It's not really.
See, I always thought networkingwas about building businesses,
trying to get connections, to try and get a referral into
something else. Yeah, that's part of it.
But it's maybe 10% the rest of it that comes along with just
the support systems, mentorships, educations, things
like that. That's when I started to realize
(37:42):
what real networking is. So I have people like I'm
struggling with something. I'll just call somebody who I
think, oh, you've probably gone through that.
You're a bit further down the road to where I am right now.
How do you deal with this? Like could be a difficult
customer that's causing a lot ofgrief.
I can't believe we're going to do this, but you guys need to
get off to karate. We do.
You've got karate on today. You go to karate all the time.
(38:02):
It's one of Richard's non negotiables.
Yes, must, must. And that's awesome that things
you talk about in the podcast aswell about just things you've
learnt over the years and and the importance of having time
for yourself. Yeah, time to do your thing.
And that guy's like right at thetop of the priority list.
Does now I'm not there yet. We yeah, I'm not there.
We were. Only there this year.
(38:22):
Yeah, Richard's more there than I.
Am yeah I I. Really good with the priority
side, but I think that comes with all the travelling that you
do as. Well, that's been a real life.
But I mean, putting importance on personal things, non
business, Yeah, I'm not there yet, but I'm working towards it
like I want to. It only just really occurred to
me just recently. It was so weird that I even
(38:44):
thought like this. But I think I had a day off on
like a Saturday and I just did things around the house,
whatever. And I felt so recharged,
rejuvenated. And I had this thought of like,
my God, you know what I should work towards?
Like working Monday to Friday and like, and I actually have
working the last since I've finished on the radio.
And the last two years has been seven days a week.
(39:06):
Yeah, I work from when I wake upto when I go to bed.
But I love what I do. Have you, have you listened to
our last two episodes yet that Lee uploaded yesterday?
No. So you know how you always say I
don't know what's going on? Do you have a camera in my
house? Yeah.
Is this one of the episodes that's coming?
Up kind of talk, yeah, about it.We did talk a little.
Bit about it's crazy, quite often originally they'll send
(39:27):
through to me their latest episode they've just recorded
and I start editing it and I'm just like, I'll shoot them off
of WhatsApp straight away and go, this is ridiculous.
Camera man we. Had this.
Conversation. Yeah, yeah, that was something
we had to learn. Well, like I said, I am also
still learning. I'm still learning how to do it.
And Julie's book really highlighted for me some things
(39:50):
that I needed to change because I could see myself going down
the same path that she did. Yeah, I think that's why I cried
through the whole thing. And it's a big thing for Julia,
is carving out the time for the things.
The things. And I came back and said to
Richard, I've got to do the things and it can't necessarily
be your things. I do karate as well, but it's
not my non negotiable. I can skip karate.
(40:11):
That's fine. I need to figure out my things.
I don't know what my things are.Yeah, so there at the moment.
As well. Yeah, well, like, because I
really enjoy my job. I I love doing those things.
I love creating reels and putting them up on social media,
and I love editing episodes I like.
Animation. Working with.
And. Spending like ridiculous amount
of time like Richard said something in one of the episodes
(40:35):
they quite often in their in their podcast they get sayings
wrong. Always God.
It makes me laugh. And Richard really back himself
in with a, with a Yeah, it's from Star Wars.
It's not like, is it? We're.
Becoming famous for that. Oh my God, it's nearly every
episode. And there's what, Richard, guys,
you know, you really gotta, you know, you gotta learn to ride
(40:55):
the dragon. And there's just the silence and
Lee doesn't look to it because right, the dragon.
Yeah, it's a thing. And you gotta, you gotta learn
to ride the dragon. And I so then.
There's making our own sayings. So and Lee's, I'm pretty sure
that's a drug thing, which that's chasing the dragon.
I'm not that. Wrong.
(41:16):
I'm yelling at my strange as I say.
How you're recording these reactions?
To us and. Sure, you're editing our room?
I should feel myself editing your your podcast and it'll be a
whole thing on a phone. But then so I I send a a
WhatsApp just go. And that's hilarious for Richard
riding the dragon. And then Lee, who clearly has
way too much time on it, sends me like an AI image of Richard
(41:39):
sitting on a dragon. And then like, I'm supposed to
be editing this episode. And I must have been due to take
my meds at around that point because my brain went, oh, you
can make videos with AI now. And then like an hour later,
I've made this incredible, like Richard flying on a dragon
video. And not stop laughing.
No, you couldn't hear. He went.
(42:00):
You're asleep. Hadn't been on WhatsApp for a
number of hours. Yeah, I was asleep or whatever I
was doing. And then I opened it up and
there's like 20 messages and there's this animation of a
dragon and all I could say was God full stuff.
While you were. Sleeping Cousins because Richard
works now I. Should have gone.
To sleep, sleeps in the day and Rabs and I will be like 20
(42:22):
million WhatsApp messages. Richard can wake up and go.
Can you just tell me what they're what?
Do you know so why am I riding adragon?
But you know, that all comes from that thing of what I
brought that up is then I'm off editing that and I'm supposed to
be doing something else, whatever.
And then I'll end up working on that for ages.
But I love what I'm doing. But you do need a break to do
(42:43):
other things. Absolutely.
Lately I've found I'm really enjoying working out in the
yard. Just like, yeah, trees aren't
loving it because I'm just getting brutal.
I got a chainsaw. I'm doing this just I just went
and bought a shredder. So now I want to cut branches
down to suck and put them in theshredder.
New business I did put some Flyers and let them boxes.
Yeah, I'll go round and chop. Yeah, I've chopped all my trees
(43:03):
down. I'll bring my own Shriner trees,
no charge. And then you turn the flyer
over. And there's also you can hire
Julie Goodwin. Come and record a podcast.
There's a different business right here.
Yeah, I am. I am.
What I'm seeing is that when I go and take time to do those
things, then when I go back to work, I do feel rejuvenated.
(43:24):
And Julie actually talked about it in an episode she did with
Marcus. Yeah.
And she talked about that thing of when you get yourself, you're
all worked up and you're stuck in something, literally close
the laptop and go outside. When you talked about that in
our upcoming episode as well, about how much more productive
you are, Yeah, you try and push through, push through, push
(43:44):
through, and you get subpar workdone.
Yeah. So if you just take an hour to
go and do your thing. And I didn't believe it, yeah.
And when I saw Julie saying thatthing, I got to a .1 day where I
was like that. And I went, OK, I'll do the
thing that Julie said in that episode.
Yeah. And I closed it and I went for a
walk. I went and did something else
and and it worked. That there is a perfect example
(44:05):
of in your podcast, which is kind of it was originally sort
of designed for people in business, people running their
own businesses, starting businesses, that kind of thing.
That that example right there that's everyone can do that.
You're an employee and you're atwork and you're frustrated over
something close the laptop. Yeah, you don't have to be a
business owner. There's so many there's business
things, but there's relationshipstuff.
There's just a whole bunch of life lessons and and oversharing
(44:28):
really and. Pretty much that's.
The Richly Told podcast. That's the bio.
Yeah, yeah. No such thing as TMI.
Very. Yeah, exactly.
My messages start like that. TMI to you.
Yeah. And I say there's no such thing
as TMI and it's fine. And then I, you know, 10 minutes
later, OK, there is so much. There is things.
(44:49):
So the podcast is called Richly Told and it's one of the ones
done by Pod Van Media and I think you will love it.
Check it out. The episodes are only 20 minutes
long and just. For the first one.
So for the first one, that went a while.
Yeah, baby, skip the. 1st and they just get honestly, you
guys, they just get better and better and better as you're
going along and I love all the things that you've picked up
(45:10):
from us talking and little tips and tricks that I'll give along
the way and seeing you do them is is just awesome.
It's just getting better and better and and I love it.
You got to go to karate. You do thanks for jumping in.
I highly encourage people go andcheck it out just in Spotify,
wherever you're listening to this one, look up Richly told
and yeah, and check it out. Alright guys, thanks for going
in. Thanks.
(45:30):
Thank you. With Robert.
Rabbit Podcast with Rabbit Hey, I'm Rabbit.
I record this podcast inside a cute little retro caravan from
1967 that I've tore around all over the place.
Fan podcast with Robbie my guestthis morning.
This is only the second third time that we've ever met in
person yet I've known them for months they actually do a
(00:24):
podcast of their own and I'll I'll tell you all about the
podcast they can tell you about the podcast as well Some of the
stuff we're going to chat about during this is they homeschool
their kids. We're going to talk about that
and why and why they took them out of school.
My parents took no, no school took me out of school.
The things I've learned from listening to their podcast and I
(00:45):
really hope to by the end of this chat, find out what one of
them does for a job. Actually, both of them.
I still don't know. It is a Ripper podcast.
It's called Richly Told. It's one of the ones that I
produce. There's like half a dozen of
them now that I work on. I laugh every time when I'm
editing this podcast. There's a lot of giggles in it.
It deserves a big audience, thispodcast, and so that's the goal
(01:10):
with it really. Richard and Leigh from the
Richly Told podcast. Welcome to the pod Van.
Thank you for having me. And it's the first time you guys
have seen it, isn't it? In real life, yeah.
MMM it's we've known each other for months.
It's the first time I've been inhere.
Yeah, it's so funny that we, I reckon I'd edited at least a
dozen of your episodes before we'd ever met in person.
(01:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, at least. I think so.
We actually didn't realise how many episodes we'd done.
Yeah, what are you up to? I think I've just sent you over
18 and 19. 18 and 19 Wow cranking the mouse.
Yeah, Richard said. Oh, we must have done at least
10. Yeah, and I knew I.
Know there's more, more than 10 and I jumped on Spotify to have
a look and I was like, Oh no, there's 17, you get 17.
(01:53):
So you explain what your podcastis about.
I tell people it's like the Seinfeld of business podcasts,
but it's like almost like a podcast about nothing, but it's
about. Everything.
We got that. We got that.
Julie and I on the radio here, the station manager walked in
one day and he just goes, I finally figured it out, Like
what your show is about and likewhat it is.
(02:16):
Yeah. And we're like, oh, great.
Tell us. And he goes, it's like the
Seinfeld of radio shows. It's a show about nothing.
Oh, OK, exactly. Say that and we we cracked up
laughing and then we kind of he walked away and we both sat
there in silence going is that agood.
Thing. Seinfeld win.
OK, but yeah, really hard to describe.
I actually think your podcast ismore than that because I have to
(02:39):
describe it to people because they asked me.
How do you describe it to? People.
So for me, I mean, a big thing is Lee's book that you brought
out what, 10 years ago or so, yeah, called Once Upon a Time in
Small Business. Yeah.
And each episode is essentially taking one of the chapters from
the book and breaking it down. And there's just a whole bunch
of lessons from business. But it's not just business.
(03:02):
Like every single one of the things that you talk about is
relatable just in everyday life.Yeah.
Right. Like it's become more than just
a business podcast and a lot of the people who I speak to who
who are listening to it are not necessarily business owners.
Totally. Yeah, I get that.
Because things like when you're talking about a whole episode on
a communication and how important communication you take
(03:25):
that into your relationship, your work relationships.
I love it. Yeah, I think it's unique
because we are married and we doso many things.
Our life is just a big life, really.
It's a big life. It's a big.
Old life, yeah. I'm getting it.
Yeah. Like a couple of weeks ago, I'm
talking to you and you were gonna try and knockout a couple
(03:45):
of episodes, like record a couple of episodes before
Richard went to somewhere. Oh yeah, that didn't happen.
We were. We've been saying that for
months. Yeah, I know.
Yeah. Yeah, I know.
We get into a couple of episodesbefore Richard goes to Orlando
the New Orleans New Orleans Colorado made to.
Texas. Texas.
Austin. Austin was.
Yeah, in Austin. Vegas.
(04:05):
Yep, that's coming up March. Yeah, but then even when he's
over there doing whatever it is that he does for his job, which
I still don't know after all of these episodes, he's a.
National man of mystery. Yeah.
And then I'm talking to you, Lee, while while he's away and
you're like, yeah, we should actually, we might not be able
to record on Monday because Richard might be having to go to
(04:26):
New York. Yeah.
What? Yeah.
Who has to might have to go to New York while they're over
there and then suddenly? Things come up.
Things happen. So you guys own multiple
businesses? Yeah.
And have had even other ones? Yeah, and sold them.
They screwed them up and got ridof them.
Jack, that's what the books are about.
(04:48):
Well, that's what the books are about.
It was least therapy 'cause we kept screwing things up and it
was stressful. Yeah, we've never sold.
We've built things and. They kind of morph into.
They morph into the next thing. Yeah.
We've never actually sold one. No, that might be the next
thing. Build something to sell.
Cause 'cause we kind of do it and then it's like, oh, then we
(05:10):
see another sort of path. Actually, we speak about this in
the last. We don't even know what we do.
No, it terrified me when you said I'm gonna find out what
they do 'cause I don't know how to.
Feel like good film in Yeah, it's.
Yeah, they kinda just, they kinda just morph into the next
thing in the next thing. You're just straight up on
trapreneurs. Right, we get bored easily.
I don't know. I don't.
I've never really liked the wordentrepreneur.
Nor have I for some reason, and I think that's what I am now.
(05:34):
Yeah, I would say so. And I would say what is an?
Entrepreneur though, like. No, I've had arguments with
people about it. When they've called you one.
No, when they've called themselves one.
Oh no, I just did, I think. You can.
No, no, I think you can be entrepreneurial.
To Richard Case, I think anyone who calls themselves an
entrepreneur. Isn't well, but.
What's? The difference between that and
a business owner, Well. That's what I'm wondering is, is
(05:57):
that what an entrepreneur is I? Think an entrepreneur goes out
and creates? Opportunity.
Something. New, I think you can be a
business owner, you can go and buy a business, which we have
done. We own Byron Leather.
We bought Byron Leather. So I don't necessarily consider
that an entrepreneurial businessbecause that existed before me
and I came in and continued it and grew it.
But I didn't create it. I didn't create the opportunity.
(06:19):
And I think so with you, with the POD van, with everything
that you're doing, I do see you created this opportunity.
And more and more and more and. More and more and more and now
it's growing and increasing and that's what I think.
So yes, I do consider you to be an entrepreneur.
I. Think it's probably something
where somebody creates somethingnew.
Anything else? Creating their own
opportunities, I think, yeah. That's a funny one.
(06:41):
I mean, I, I wouldn't look, I wouldn't call myself that.
I wouldn't call us entrepreneurs.
But you guys invent businesses? We do all the time.
I'm pretty sure that's a big part of Entrepreneur.
I mean, we could look it up and actually find out the answer,
but yeah. I also think an entrepreneur
does more than one thing or you can't really nail down what they
do. Yeah, because I mean you do
multiple things. Yeah, I think an entrepreneur
(07:02):
actually is an entrepreneur has never been said more in a
podcast ever in the last five minutes.
But I think the definition is just undiagnosed ADHD people in
business. Probably.
Or diagnosed. Just just don't get bored.
Easily. Yeah, they wake up with an idea
and we'll go with that for the test.
It's. So funny because I've been an
employee for my entire life and I never would have even thought
(07:26):
about the opportunity of doing my own thing.
Just never even saw it. Took being pushed to find out.
Well, Lee and I grew up. With both our dads.
Both our dads ran their own businesses and built their own
businesses. I've not known any other away I
tried employment one. We're both terrible.
And we're the worst employees ever.
In fact, the last job I had was 12 years ago.
(07:48):
Yes, when I met hackers. Actually, I was working for a
mobile computer repair business and yeah, part of the interview
process was Edible Disk Profile.Oh yeah, mine came back and
their recommendation was for them not to.
Hire him. Do not hire.
Him. He'll end up taking over.
He'll he won't like anything that you do.
(08:08):
Yeah, that's what's really interesting about a disk
profile, is that it doesn't meanyou're a bad person or anything.
You just may not be the right fit.
Yeah, it's a. Little looking right person,
right? Well.
It's funny that we just, it's funny that we're talking about
this cause the episode that Richard and I just recorded, we
were talking about right people,right roles.
Yeah, OK. And.
(08:29):
That's coming up so. But I I jump on that I lasted I
think 3 months there. I didn't like the way it was
run. Nothing a lot, nothing about it.
So then I started my own one. Tough to do as a business owner
when you if a part of the interview process is you get the
candidate to do a disk profile. Yeah, then you really like them
and they're really. Oh, and they're so switched on
(08:49):
and everything, but the disk profile says don't hire them.
Yeah, I get it now. I actually get that now.
Well, that's what happened with this guy.
He really liked you. He did.
Yeah, I mean. I like dinner and everything.
Didn't he? And they?
Yeah, he's someone who you stilltalk about.
It's just too many cheese. Well, that and that can be the
problem because when you're hiring someone and they're just
like you, you go, you're awesome.
(09:11):
Well, my profile. You're a real go getter and you,
you got so many ideas. Yep.
Oh, you don't know is they're gonna do your head in 'cause
you've already got one of them. It's you.
Yeah, and that that that was theproblem.
It actually came back that I wasa higher D qualities than he did
and they said it's not gonna be a good fit.
Yeah. And he ignored it and it lasted
3 months. It's so fresh in my mind, this
disc stuff, because Marcus's episode on Business Unlocked
(09:32):
just last week, yeah, was all about.
Oh, he loves that disc. He loves that he loves.
That he did as they told us. He told us.
Yeah. How are you guys still married?
I don't know. Yeah, so funny.
It's an interesting thing. If you, if you're listening to
this and you don't know what thedisk profile is, why go into it
now, but find that episode of Marcus Korok's one where he goes
(09:54):
through the disk profile becauseI've heard him do it a few Times
Now. And in that episode he did it
the best that I've ever heard. It was really good.
It was really succinct and a grave a great.
He did the story of like going to the restaurant.
He's probably done that one withyou.
The D goes, hey, we should all go out to out to dinner.
And then the eye goes, sweet, I'll organise it.
Yeah. And and then they call it S and
(10:15):
it's just hilarious. The C does my head in.
Yeah. The person who wants all the
details was, oh, I don't know about there, and maybe I
shouldn't park there. I should park further away
'cause my car might get dinged and everything.
Yeah. And he's like the D has parked
in a loading zone, is already inside the restaurant.
What have you done? A disk profile.
I think I might have done it with Marcus, but even listening
(10:37):
to the episode, yeah, Heidi. Heidi.
Yeah. Also I and it's mostly D and I
really. That's me.
I'm D and I pretty much 5050, wasn't it?
And your DNS, DNS 50 pretty much50.
Oh, OK. Yeah.
The steady you like, Yes. You like things to be steady
Instructions as it is in the S 'cause I'm engineer, yeah.
(11:00):
Well, you go, you got some part of what I do you already.
I don't even know an entrepreneurial.
Engineer. And what's funny actually as
well is one of the the other businesses that I work with,
Grumpy Ginger Yanko, the owners of that, well, Alicia, she's
actually going to be on an episode soon as well.
Because another one that just fascinates me, I think dropped
out of school in year 10, went under study law, then became an
(11:24):
environmental scientist, now owns a knitting and yarn store
and loves it. But they're the couple that I
always get confused with You 2. You're so similar as a couple.
And Jared is an engineer. Her story's really similar to
mine too, which is funny. Really.
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. And I have a terrible memory.
So like, right now, where my brain just went to is like,
(11:46):
wait, are you the same people? No, you're not.
No, no. It's.
And I do get you guys confused sometimes as well.
You said that your parents ownedtheir own businesses.
And so you've been brought up that way.
Yep. Your kids who are hanging out
here out the back of they're driving.
Me mad because they will not sitstill.
I don't know. It is driving me absolutely
great. When I the.
Other one's been good. Still please.
(12:09):
Did they go to school originallybecause you homeschooled them
now? Yeah.
Yeah, so they've both been to school.
COVID was the catalyst. Oh, OK.
Pretty much for a lot of people.Well.
Everyone went to homeschooling. Everyone went to homeschooling.
Grace had struggled with school up until that point, and it
wasn't until we came home and started looking through
everything and helping her that we realised how much she was
(12:31):
struggling at school and how farbehind she was for such a highly
intelligent kid. Yeah.
So, so we looked into homeschooling world and went
from there. Tom's four years younger.
So at that point Tom hadn't started school, but he wanted
to, he wanted to have that school experience.
And so we sent him off and he got two years in and said I
(12:52):
think I want to be home schooledas well.
Do you think, I mean, I already know the answer to this from
editing your episodes and stuff.And you touched on this very
early and it's, it's really controversial.
It is. To talk about.
I get worried every time we talkabout it, yeah.
I don't know why, there's lots of different ways.
There is because because it justseems to be one of those things
where people have such an emotional response and.
(13:14):
Reaction. Well, my wife's a school
teacher. And your wife's a school
teacher. And funnily enough, and Marcus
will tell you this, the highest percentage of parents that
homeschool their kids are teachers.
Right. Because it's not the teachers,
it's the system. The system that we have.
But it's also it. It's not the, it's not the
system thing. It's just the kids are
different. Each kid is different and
that's. What I was gonna say, I think
(13:36):
different kids, there are ones that absolutely will thrive.
I would say my daughter's one ofthose study, study, study, learn
the thing. Yep.
Regurgitate the thing. Yep, get 100%.
She literally just got 100% on an English essay.
That was I was so surprised by school was not for me.
(13:56):
Yeah, so the school told me I had to tell my mum when I went
home that day. Turns out school's not for me.
No kidding. But yeah, the one she had to do
recently was to write an essay on particular topic, and it was
about four pages long, I think. Big, long, long essay, all
handwritten. And then you essentially have to
(14:18):
rewrite it in class. Yeah, in the set time, they give
you the same question and you just then write it all out.
So it became like a if you work on it, you come up with it, you
write it all down, and then you've got to memorize it and
then write it out. I always struggled with that
because you had to do it and think their way.
Yeah. So the defining moment for me
was in a maths class and I arrived at the right answer, but
(14:40):
I didn't arrive at the answer that the book said is the way
you work it out. And they had them in this
argument with the teacher. And I did end up saying you
don't get it. You don't understand God.
You're just reading the answer in the back of the book.
There's four ways to solve this problem.
This is this is this was me in school and always asking
questions. And then they try and force you
into this, into this grief, and some kids love that and some
(15:02):
kids thrive. And I didn't, our kids didn't,
because we kind of like to see abigger picture, a bigger world,
not be sort of told this is how you're meant to think.
But see, and that just there areones like, as you say, they love
that, that need that, they love that and you need those people
in the world. Why?
We've never been those parents that said we are for one or the
(15:24):
other. That's why when Tom said that he
wanted to go to school and have the school experience, we said,
OK, off you go. And if he had thrived there, he
would still be there. Yep.
But he didn't write. People write roles.
We think about that in. I mean that always goes back to
the disc profile. Really, I was just sad to say
that for some reason everybody wants to be AD and I don't know
(15:45):
why, because the world, there's not one profile is better than
the other. Yeah, I don't know that everyone
wants to be ADI. Don't.
Know why? I don't.
I don't. I don't think so because my wife
would be more SC if you actuallyshe don't wanna be AD.
No, but if you if you look at itfor some reason, I don't know
what it. Is.
But they could be AD people actually research disk profiles
(16:05):
to find out what the answers areto get AD profile.
We know somebody who did that, who tried to doctor their
profile to be able to say they were AD and they would walk
around and go I'm, I'm AD, I'm ahigh D, And we tell people what
we are when we're talking about it, but we don't just in general
conversation bring up that we'rea high D on a disk.
Profile Yeah, it's funny thing though.
It's weird, but. Not one way is better than the
(16:26):
other. Oh absolutely not how you
educate your kids home schooled or school.
Not one way is better than the other.
It's just what works for the individual and and and.
Different ones, the D, the I, the S, the C of that.
All of them will end up in different jobs.
Yeah. And different roles.
Yeah. I did see a thing that I'll say
the word again. Entrepreneurs are mostly D's,
yeah. D's and I's, Yeah, they're.
(16:48):
Yeah. Super motivated.
Super. Element of risk as well, and
high DS will take a risk. And fast pace.
I'm going to do it and I'm not going to think about it too
much. Let's just do it and we'll see
what happens, yeah? I think what it is too is
everybody wants to be the boss. Again on that, I don't know.
I think we're looking at it because we are those to oh,
you're are you D as well? Yeah, yeah, yeah, D as well
(17:10):
because I reckon if we asked like a full on C or or an S that
loves it, steady loves it. No, they just wanna go to work.
Just do the job. They're they're.
Home. Yeah, there are.
People like, I don't want all that pressure on me.
Yeah. You know, there's actually
something I really love about your podcast, and that's when
you guys disagree on things. We disagree all the.
Time more than we agree. But it's really respectful of
(17:33):
anything. I agree on.
We disagree all the time. No, I don't know that we do
probably. The thing that takes up the
majority of our time is a disagreement.
Well, I said in there just respectfully though, like it's a
real thing that comes across andon one of your first episodes I
loved someone commented online about I love the way Richard
(17:55):
speaks to Lee. That took a long time, though.
Yeah. Hasn't always like we would
argue so badly and not respectfully.
Yeah, it's just. Well, I I met Lee through work.
She was working for one of our clients for a company I was
working for 20 years ago, a longtime ago. 2030 it's quite a gap
between those 3 numbers. What was it, 2030?
(18:17):
Enough for it to be 38. Years ago it was, I don't know,
it was around the 1920s, but. I mean, she was a pain in there.
I was really difficult and I think you enjoyed being
difficult. I didn't enjoy my job.
I didn't enjoy the role I was inor the responsibility that kept
getting added to my plate. And then I would continually
have to call someone. And I don't like asking people
(18:38):
for help. And I would have have to ring
him and go, hey, that's not working.
I had to make the hard conversations and I really hated
that. And that just didn't come across
well. How funny that you 2 ended up
together. Well, it was five years later
he. Did.
You know what he did? He used to do so.
They did software systems for pharmacies.
Please tell me he would break stuff so that you'd have to call
(19:00):
him. Break stuff, but what he would
do, So I was the job that I was in.
We were building like this healthcare centre in Ultimo in
Sydney. From the ground up, there was a
pharmacy. See, there was a whole lot of
things and I was standing in front of the cash drawer on the
phone to him and he remotely opened the cash drawer and made
it hit me in the hip because I was paying a real.
I was in Brisbane at the time too.
(19:21):
I was saved and I was like I'm going in the morning breaking,
what is going on, blah, blah, blah.
Do I need to find a new system blah blah blah.
Like bang, just open it in cash drawer works and he could see
could you see me? No, you weren't looking to.
No, I asked. No, I asked you where you were
standing, he said right in frontof the Kestrel, saying boom.
(19:41):
That is using your powers for evil.
Yeah, it's quite often used these powers for evil.
He's also used to send me text messages from like God and
Satan. Like, this is 25 years ago,
before people. That's right before there was a
thing where people could do all this AI and yeah, yeah, I would
get a text message on my phone from Satan, for God, for some.
(20:03):
Thing And because you know why do you like?
It used to come from God, used to say not afraid, but didn't
actually change it. And send me text messages.
I had no idea. God would be having a full on
conversation when she was here, yes, when she was in uni, when
she was in the lecture trying todo work.
Keep people up out the back. This one for the first time.
(20:23):
It wasn't two years later. I'm now.
When I was talking about she goes, there was.
I didn't know it was him until recently.
Oh wow, it's so talking about the kids having a laugh at that
story there. So the kids are, I mean that
they are little entrepreneurs oftheir own, yes.
Anyway, they have started what is it business Groms.
Business Groms, they have got their own.
So a couple of weeks ago when Richard was away and we didn't
(20:46):
get to record, the kids came on our podcast.
I was blown away. So Grace and Tom What?
Both in their mid 40s? Yeah, Yeah.
Born in 1920 as well. Yeah, seriously, how old are
they actually? Tom's just turned 10 a week or
two ago, and Grace is about to turn 1414.
And but the way they speak in that podcast, I was just shaking
(21:09):
my head the whole time going, Ohmy God, you're smarter than me.
Well, they've got a few things that they want to teach kids and
parents with their podcast, so we're about to start looking at
recording Wow with them. Yeah, keep an eye out for that.
We'll see how that goes. We just need to create a few
more hours in our day. Yeah, Yeah.
This is exactly what you guys need is to do other.
(21:31):
Another project. Bring on other projects so that
WhatsApp from Jamie Dixon. Please send one link.
Can you hear that? Yeah, it's coming out of my
glasses. This is my glasses telling me
Jamie Dixon's just said WhatsAppmessage.
Well, obviously I have to figureout how to turn that off of.
Course flight mode. But stop it, stop it, right,
(21:54):
Getting all these messages, Look, the glasses in you and I'm
still figuring out it's the metaRay Bans, the fun for like, I'm,
I mean, I'm not recording right now, but it was before to get a
different camera angle while we're chatting.
Yeah, the kids, you're kind of teaching the kids to not have to
just be employees. When I say just being employees
again is that thing some people want to be employees.
(22:15):
But it's it's more we're teaching them how to explore
what they want to explore. Or does that make sense?
I feel like there's. No.
Options. There's no, there's no
boundaries. Oh my God, Jamie, my assumptions
had nasty cheap. I can.
Hear it. You can hear it too.
Yeah. I hope it's not personal, Jamie.
(22:36):
No, this is one of the, it's oneof the other businesses that I
work with and I consult with them.
We had a big meeting the other day and I was showing her, are
we doing some editing in cap cutand she was coming up with some
ideas for content. And then I was given all these
ideas back and she was like, Oh my God, the way your brain
thinks, it's just weird. And so that message was her
going, oh, now you've got me thinking like that.
(22:57):
That's good. Which is good, yeah.
Exactly which? Is what we're trying to will not
teach the kids. I don't think you can teach
having a weird brain. I think you can teach embracing
the weirdness of your brain. Mm hmm.
That's what we just allow. We just facilitate them to be
able to explore what they want to explore.
They Tom gets the thought and hejust wants to run with it.
Grace gets something and she wants to run with.
(23:17):
It are they different as far as like on the disk profile do you
reckon? Very.
Oh, really. Very, very, very.
'Cause we just said one will getan idea and run with it, the
other will get an idea and run with it.
Different ideas. Some will get directions, yeah,
but some will get an idea and then think about it.
Yeah, think about it. Tom's a thinker.
Tom's a thinker and Tom's a researcher, so Tom will go and
(23:38):
research the topic that he's mostly it's.
What do you mostly research? King.
Oh, recipes at the moment because Tom wants to be a chef.
So for Tom's 10th birthday, his birthday present request was a
commercial kitchen. OK, I mean I'm high, couldn't.
Put that unfortunately you got alightsaber instead.
(23:59):
Free lightsabers actually do. You call up, and that's a
business lesson all the time. Shoot for the commercial
kitchen. Get a lightsaber.
These these are the combat lightsabers, the flu.
On they're very cool. I have to send you a photo but.
It's another life lesson you don't always get what you want.
No. But you might get something
else. Cool.
We have managed to. Yeah, well, he's still, he's got
(24:22):
the BBQ. We, we, we cook on the barbecue
on the Blackstone and we live onLake Macquarie, so he likes to
fish and catch and cook. So he's a real researcher,
whereas Grace is not a researcher.
No, Grace is more instinctual. She's more instinctual.
And also, Grace is a reader, she's a creative.
So I would say that she's more the creative eye and he's more
(24:42):
the S. Oh yes, that's right.
I know. Exactly.
What I'm doing, my mom was into making candles a few years ago
and she kept all the stuff and she pulled it out and she
thought Grace would sit down anddo all the research and Grace
just ripped the bags open and started making candles.
And my mom, who's very systems is going.
(25:05):
God, candles. You just you just unlocked a
core memory for me from that when you said candles.
When we arrived in Australia, Sav and I came over with just a
backpack H and we arrived in Brisbane.
We went down to the Gold Coast and while we were there my wife
got a job waitressing and I cameup with an idea of selling
(25:29):
candles in restaurants, like 2 restaurants.
OK. So it was essentially this is my
business idea. Entrepreneur.
Yeah, I was. I was.
I went, I'll go to like a $2.00 store, buy the candles for 2
bucks and then like whack a sticker on them of some sort and
then sell them to restaurants for 10 bucks each.
I had a couple of meetings, thankfully for everybody.
(25:53):
I got a job in radio very, very quickly and we moved to
Griffith. Candle thing, I don't know how,
like pictures have. Quite often she'd come home from
work so she would ride a bike towork at the Tipsy Prawn where
some waitress, she would come home.
She did split shifts, she'd comehome in between and I'd be
(26:14):
standing out on the street with a footy just waiting to kick the
footy with her 'cause I've been home all day by myself.
And you're bored. Waiting for candle orders to
come in. With a with.
A toy wagging, however, jump thebike.
There. Seriously.
And then, you know, I hit her with I've got an idea.
I'm gonna sell candles. So your wife had a pet?
(26:36):
She's so patient, the pet rabbit.
My. God pet rabbit.
She was probably the one sendingmy air chip down to radio
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of those. King Kumper, Mighty Chan have
been big supporters of the Pod Dan podcast right from the start
and you get all the stuff from them that you'd expect to.
You'd get plans, you'd get all the Weber stuff, you get all the
(26:57):
steel gear, the amazing principal kitchens, but it's the
stuff that you don't expect, like we.
Had an elderly lady come into the store and she brought her
remote control from her television and she didn't know
how to get it to work. And we opened it up and saw that
she just needed new batteries. And then she told me that her
husband had recently passed away, so he was the one that did
(27:18):
all that stuff for her and she didn't have anybody around to do
that, so she needed us. So we took batteries out of the
packet and put them in the remote and we helped her out and
made her day. That's what she get the mighty
helpful King Campbell Minor ChenGwendoline Bowling Club now.
They have been on board with thePod Van podcast since the very
beginning and I appreciate them so much.
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You can grab some drinks in the beer garden.
There's live entertainment all the time and they got coffee and
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Good place to kick the footy around with the kids there as
(28:00):
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(28:23):
about, you've talked about some mental health stuff and that in
the podcast as well, and the stresses and the stuff of a
couple working where one is awayquite often and the other one's
at home and you talk about all that.
That's one episode. We don't need to get into the
the mental health stuff now, butwhen certainly it's very
relatable. Very relatable.
(28:45):
Yeah, the stuff in the in those episodes, you're just, you're
very, you're open books, aren't you?
That's that's the whole idea. I don't know how not to be.
First of all, I just open my mouth and it comes out.
I think also so many people don't talk about all these
things. And that was the driver for
doing the book in the 1st place.We would quite often go, why
(29:06):
isn't anyone talking about this?Because we'd start talking about
it and then everyone would be like, Oh yeah, we went through
that same sorry, so sorry. Everybody.
Everybody does. I kind of went, well, I'll write
about it because, you know, it'snot embarrassing.
It's learning well, life. People think it's, I don't know,
it's just this is a stigma, right?
So if you fail at something, people kind of think that's
(29:29):
weakness. Well, people, if you fail at
something, you yourself think that you failed you.
It was a weakness. But I actually think it takes a
lot of courage to to share that.Yeah.
And all of a sudden it gives other people permission to say,
oh, yeah, I screwed that up too or whatever.
And at least the conversation happens.
Well, that's what I found with all the mental health stuff.
As soon as I started and I didn't talk about it much, but
there were some people I would talk to and I was always shocked
(29:51):
when they would go. Oh, same.
Yeah, we were too. He was like, what?
So we were shocked as well. I was like, oh, you mean, oh,
you did that too. Oh, and then every other people
would say, oh, you did that as well.
And really, why are we not? But.
At the time that they felt like they were the only one, yeah.
We you always do, you always think you're the only one.
So much shame. And I just read Julie's book,
Julie Goodwin's. Well, she read it to me and it
(30:13):
was amazing. I cried all the way through it.
Oh clarify, that's an audio book.
That's not you can't like purchase Julie to come to your
house and would love and read beamazing.
I mean it could probably the price on it had.
A pretty high property, good price I.
Think new business idea renting out Julie.
Julie for a. Very, Julie.
(30:34):
If she shares this, it was a good idea but and I take a cut
obviously. But as I was listening to it, I
was thinking that could happen to anyone.
Yeah, that could happen to me. And she was.
So you could hear it in her voice as she was reading, how
deeply embarrassed and ashamed she felt.
(30:56):
I'm getting goosebumps because Iactually cried all the way
through Julie's book and this part in particular.
But I was thinking she's all of us.
That could happen to any of us. And the fact that she's talking
about it and making people awareof it, I don't know.
I just think we all, if we all did that, how much easier this
would all be. When those things hit you,
(31:18):
because I'm in a very strange place at the moment myself in
that my mental health, I'm in a good spot right now.
I now get when people say that they don't get it, the whole
mental health thing, and that you really, you can't understand
it if you're not going through it or if you haven't gone
through it. And that's not to say you won't.
(31:41):
Yeah, because you don't know quickly too.
It can happen really fast to anyone at any time.
Or it can be happening and you don't know it.
Yeah. I mean, 10 years of being gluten
free for me, thinking that was gluten.
I'm not gluten free anymore. A lot of that, I mean, because
I'm off my anxiety meds now. I'm off to all the gluten free
stuff, thank goodness. But that's after 10 years and my
(32:03):
guts ain't crook. I'm not super crazy tired all
the time. I was operating at a nine and
A10 all the time. Yeah.
At a high level of stress and anxiety.
And every now and then the body would just shut down.
Yeah. And I'd blame it on one.
And I hit last night. Yeah.
Yeah. And it's a burden, isn't it?
It's a burden. Yeah, this is a burden.
(32:24):
And our our podcast is about that.
Really. Honestly, our episodes are
basically about what we screwed up that week.
Yeah, lucky. I've got so much content, yeah.
Screw up a. Lot stuff, all the.
Time screw up all the time. It's limitless content.
Anyone who can't admit that theymess up all the time.
Is but this is the this is wherethe burden comes from, right,
messing up because everybody wants the insta life.
Everybody wants to be perfect. Everybody wants to appear
(32:45):
perfect. That's what creates the burden.
The reality is no one is any of those things.
And as soon as you start actually going, you know what?
I'm not gonna hide it anymore. I'm gonna tell people my mental
health improved dramatically, and not because other people
were saying, Oh yeah, I was doing that too.
But because I wasn't, didn't have to feel like I had to hide
it anymore. I didn't have to.
I didn't have to pretend. Smile on your face, I.
(33:07):
Didn't have to pretend that I was this awesome thing that was
completely unrealistic. Yeah.
And all of us are going around doing that.
You see that business networkinggroups, you see it and kind of
gone through that myself come out the other side.
I see it in other business owners and networking groups
that are in that loop now and they've got picture perfect
everything. But you know that when they go
(33:28):
home or in their own heads, theyare not.
It gets to a point where even the littlest thing will just
send you on a on a downward, partly because you just it just
in this infinite loop. And that's my biggest thing with
it all, was that I couldn't control it.
I couldn't control how I was feeling and where my brain was
going to share it. I didn't.
(33:48):
I didn't for a long time, but that's how you and that was what
I beat myself up about. I think this is so stupid.
It's my brain. And I always felt this thing of
like, you control how you feel about everything.
So you can choose whether to look at things in a positive way
or a negative way. You can choose to find the
positive in pretty much everything.
That was where I was living. And then when my brain started
(34:08):
going to all these horrible places, I'm beating myself up
over it, going when I do it, I don't need medication.
I don't need to talk to somebodyabout that.
I should be able to control thismyself.
Well, I I just switched to philosophy.
It is what it is. You know I'm not gonna get
stressed. Out for you.
It works for me, that's why I. Was living in that place too.
And then recently I started seeing a psychologist.
(34:30):
But I've always been anti any kind of psychology I would have.
I would be like, I don't need tosit and talk about my problems.
I don't want to sit. Yeah, You know, I feel like if
you talk about your problems, you're perpetuating it and
bringing life to it. And I went and finally booked an
appointment with a psychologist and sat down and it was amazing.
(34:50):
She gave me all these like tools.
This is why this is happening and This is why that's
happening. And that's completely valid.
And as someone who's a skeptic going into it, for you to come
out and say that, Yep. I look forward to our sessions
now. Yeah.
And it was really, really hard. Richard actually had to make the
phone call for me. Mm hmm, I ended.
(35:10):
Up so we know this particular person, this psychologist, we
know her through our business networks so she's not a friend
but we know of her so Richard called her and said this is the
deal and Lee won't ring you she won't ask for help with my
permission he couldn't do it without me knowing but.
I He didn't bundle you up and put you into the van and.
No, he did it. Not yet.
(35:33):
I bought the bag but. Just pop this jacket on, it may
feel snug. You'll be fine.
But yeah, and then she sent me atext and said I've had a
conversation with Richard. These are the times.
And we communicated via text initially.
So I had to ease myself into actually going, yeah.
But now I countdown to when I'm going to be able to go.
(35:54):
And I don't sit there and go, well, this happened and that
happened. Well, this happened.
I say, well, I do say this happened, but I go, why?
And what could I do differently?Or and understanding the
mechanisms behind certain thoughts and thought patterns.
It's amazing, isn't? It, well, it's incredible and
it's the same for everyone. So when Lee went there and was
(36:16):
sharing things about what was going on and how she was feeling
and the psychiatrist was saying,well, this is the reason why.
It's because there is a science.There is a reason why and
everybody has the same reason. Whatever the triggers are,
whatever it is, we're all the same, different, different
triggers, but they're underlining everything is all
the same. It's why they can help, and it's
why they can they can show ways to handle it.
(36:40):
Yeah. And we're not also unique that
all of our problems are so unique to, to, to ourselves.
Everyone's problems are the same.
And you find that out when you do start talking when.
You start talking and. They go and not.
I mean the same thing. Not only that, I've had people
'cause now I'm used to just saying, oh, this is not going
right now. People go, Oh yeah, I had that
like a year ago. All you go do is this, this and
this. Oh, thank you.
(37:00):
Saved me so much. Money, yeah, OK.
You know where is my old versionof me would have just struggled
on privately. Don't want to let others know
that you're failing at whatever or, you know, you're struggling
with whatever this thing is, I think.
But if you open up to that, someone can go.
Oh, I did that, yeah. Let me show you that's when
networking. All of a sudden I realised what
networking was actually really about.
(37:20):
Because that's a word I hate. Yeah, but.
It's not. It's not really.
See, I always thought networkingwas about building businesses,
trying to get connections, to try and get a referral into
something else. Yeah, that's part of it.
But it's maybe 10% the rest of it that comes along with just
the support systems, mentorships, educations, things
like that. That's when I started to realize
(37:42):
what real networking is. So I have people like I'm
struggling with something. I'll just call somebody who I
think, oh, you've probably gone through that.
You're a bit further down the road to where I am right now.
How do you deal with this? Like could be a difficult
customer that's causing a lot ofgrief.
I can't believe we're going to do this, but you guys need to
get off to karate. We do.
You've got karate on today. You go to karate all the time.
(38:02):
It's one of Richard's non negotiables.
Yes, must, must. And that's awesome that things
you talk about in the podcast aswell about just things you've
learnt over the years and and the importance of having time
for yourself. Yeah, time to do your thing.
And that guy's like right at thetop of the priority list.
Does now I'm not there yet. We yeah, I'm not there.
We were. Only there this year.
(38:22):
Yeah, Richard's more there than I.
Am yeah I I. Really good with the priority
side, but I think that comes with all the travelling that you
do as. Well, that's been a real life.
But I mean, putting importance on personal things, non
business, Yeah, I'm not there yet, but I'm working towards it
like I want to. It only just really occurred to
me just recently. It was so weird that I even
(38:44):
thought like this. But I think I had a day off on
like a Saturday and I just did things around the house,
whatever. And I felt so recharged,
rejuvenated. And I had this thought of like,
my God, you know what I should work towards?
Like working Monday to Friday and like, and I actually have
working the last since I've finished on the radio.
And the last two years has been seven days a week.
(39:06):
Yeah, I work from when I wake upto when I go to bed.
But I love what I do. Have you, have you listened to
our last two episodes yet that Lee uploaded yesterday?
No. So you know how you always say I
don't know what's going on? Do you have a camera in my
house? Yeah.
Is this one of the episodes that's coming?
Up kind of talk, yeah, about it.We did talk a little.
Bit about it's crazy, quite often originally they'll send
(39:27):
through to me their latest episode they've just recorded
and I start editing it and I'm just like, I'll shoot them off
of WhatsApp straight away and go, this is ridiculous.
Camera man we. Had this.
Conversation. Yeah, yeah, that was something
we had to learn. Well, like I said, I am also
still learning. I'm still learning how to do it.
And Julie's book really highlighted for me some things
(39:50):
that I needed to change because I could see myself going down
the same path that she did. Yeah, I think that's why I cried
through the whole thing. And it's a big thing for Julia,
is carving out the time for the things.
The things. And I came back and said to
Richard, I've got to do the things and it can't necessarily
be your things. I do karate as well, but it's
not my non negotiable. I can skip karate.
(40:11):
That's fine. I need to figure out my things.
I don't know what my things are.Yeah, so there at the moment.
As well. Yeah, well, like, because I
really enjoy my job. I I love doing those things.
I love creating reels and putting them up on social media,
and I love editing episodes I like.
Animation. Working with.
And. Spending like ridiculous amount
of time like Richard said something in one of the episodes
(40:35):
they quite often in their in their podcast they get sayings
wrong. Always God.
It makes me laugh. And Richard really back himself
in with a, with a Yeah, it's from Star Wars.
It's not like, is it? We're.
Becoming famous for that. Oh my God, it's nearly every
episode. And there's what, Richard, guys,
you know, you really gotta, you know, you gotta learn to ride
(40:55):
the dragon. And there's just the silence and
Lee doesn't look to it because right, the dragon.
Yeah, it's a thing. And you gotta, you gotta learn
to ride the dragon. And I so then.
There's making our own sayings. So and Lee's, I'm pretty sure
that's a drug thing, which that's chasing the dragon.
I'm not that. Wrong.
(41:16):
I'm yelling at my strange as I say.
How you're recording these reactions?
To us and. Sure, you're editing our room?
I should feel myself editing your your podcast and it'll be a
whole thing on a phone. But then so I I send a a
WhatsApp just go. And that's hilarious for Richard
riding the dragon. And then Lee, who clearly has
way too much time on it, sends me like an AI image of Richard
(41:39):
sitting on a dragon. And then like, I'm supposed to
be editing this episode. And I must have been due to take
my meds at around that point because my brain went, oh, you
can make videos with AI now. And then like an hour later,
I've made this incredible, like Richard flying on a dragon
video. And not stop laughing.
No, you couldn't hear. He went.
(42:00):
You're asleep. Hadn't been on WhatsApp for a
number of hours. Yeah, I was asleep or whatever I
was doing. And then I opened it up and
there's like 20 messages and there's this animation of a
dragon and all I could say was God full stuff.
While you were. Sleeping Cousins because Richard
works now I. Should have gone.
To sleep, sleeps in the day and Rabs and I will be like 20
(42:22):
million WhatsApp messages. Richard can wake up and go.
Can you just tell me what they're what?
Do you know so why am I riding adragon?
But you know, that all comes from that thing of what I
brought that up is then I'm off editing that and I'm supposed to
be doing something else, whatever.
And then I'll end up working on that for ages.
But I love what I'm doing. But you do need a break to do
(42:43):
other things. Absolutely.
Lately I've found I'm really enjoying working out in the
yard. Just like, yeah, trees aren't
loving it because I'm just getting brutal.
I got a chainsaw. I'm doing this just I just went
and bought a shredder. So now I want to cut branches
down to suck and put them in theshredder.
New business I did put some Flyers and let them boxes.
Yeah, I'll go round and chop. Yeah, I've chopped all my trees
(43:03):
down. I'll bring my own Shriner trees,
no charge. And then you turn the flyer
over. And there's also you can hire
Julie Goodwin. Come and record a podcast.
There's a different business right here.
Yeah, I am. I am.
What I'm seeing is that when I go and take time to do those
things, then when I go back to work, I do feel rejuvenated.
(43:24):
And Julie actually talked about it in an episode she did with
Marcus. Yeah.
And she talked about that thing of when you get yourself, you're
all worked up and you're stuck in something, literally close
the laptop and go outside. When you talked about that in
our upcoming episode as well, about how much more productive
you are, Yeah, you try and push through, push through, push
(43:44):
through, and you get subpar workdone.
Yeah. So if you just take an hour to
go and do your thing. And I didn't believe it, yeah.
And when I saw Julie saying thatthing, I got to a .1 day where I
was like that. And I went, OK, I'll do the
thing that Julie said in that episode.
Yeah. And I closed it and I went for a
walk. I went and did something else
and and it worked. That there is a perfect example
(44:05):
of in your podcast, which is kind of it was originally sort
of designed for people in business, people running their
own businesses, starting businesses, that kind of thing.
That that example right there that's everyone can do that.
You're an employee and you're atwork and you're frustrated over
something close the laptop. Yeah, you don't have to be a
business owner. There's so many there's business
things, but there's relationshipstuff.
There's just a whole bunch of life lessons and and oversharing
(44:28):
really and. Pretty much that's.
The Richly Told podcast. That's the bio.
Yeah, yeah. No such thing as TMI.
Very. Yeah, exactly.
My messages start like that. TMI to you.
Yeah. And I say there's no such thing
as TMI and it's fine. And then I, you know, 10 minutes
later, OK, there is so much. There is things.
(44:49):
So the podcast is called Richly Told and it's one of the ones
done by Pod Van Media and I think you will love it.
Check it out. The episodes are only 20 minutes
long and just. For the first one.
So for the first one, that went a while.
Yeah, baby, skip the. 1st and they just get honestly, you
guys, they just get better and better and better as you're
going along and I love all the things that you've picked up
(45:10):
from us talking and little tips and tricks that I'll give along
the way and seeing you do them is is just awesome.
It's just getting better and better and and I love it.
You got to go to karate. You do thanks for jumping in.
I highly encourage people go andcheck it out just in Spotify,
wherever you're listening to this one, look up Richly told
and yeah, and check it out. Alright guys, thanks for going
in. Thanks.
(45:30):
Thank you. With Robert.
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