March 5, 2025 • 33 mins
Dive deep into an exploration of God's perfect love in our latest episode of Revelation Within On the Go. Join hosts Heidi and Christina, as they engage listeners in a thought-provoking conversation about the true essence of love and how it diverges from the conventional, often fleeting definitions we encounter in everyday life. This episode unfolds with personal stories and scriptures that reveal how God's affection manifests, especially in moments of pain and long-standing trials.
Listeners are invited to reflect upon their own experiences with love, highlighting the idea that God's love is not based purely on emotional highs but is an unwavering constant that can provide strength and reassurance during difficult times. Remember, God’s love is present even when life feels overwhelmingly difficult. Don’t forget to subscribe, share, and leave a review—your feedback inspires us to continue this journey!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi and welcome to our podcast Revelation Within on
the go.
I'm Heidi Bilesma-Efferson, oneof your hosts and the owner and
lead coach of theRevelationWithinorg ministry.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And I'm Christina Motley, your other host, also a
Revelation Within coach andHeidi's partner in all things
Revelation Within, and we're sohappy to invite you to join us
for this episode of RevelationWithin.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Well, we are in February when we're recording
this podcast, and so, of course,it is the month of love, love.
And we're kind of on that topicin our community.
We're on the topic of love,god's love specifically, of
course, because there is no lovethat can compete with the love
of our God.
Yes, so, what is love from theworld's point of view, though?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Well, from the world's point of view, I mean,
in so many ways it falls flatafter we know who God is.
So from the world's point ofview, it's an intense feeling of
deep affection or a strongfeeling of warm personal
attachment.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
That's from the dictionary.
That falls flat.
It's a flat balloon.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, it kind of is.
I mean, why do you say that,Heidi?
Why do you say that it's a flatballoon?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Well, my feelings can change.
Just if I'm not feeling well,if I'm tired or if I'm on
vacation, my feelings mightchange.
And if I allow my feelings todictate what I refer to as love,
like this feeling of deepaffection, I will be all over
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the place.
I will be critical and it won'tbe enough, both in my
relationships to love others,but also in my sense of God's
love.
For me, it's so much more thanthat.
It's an action.
God loved the world so muchthat he gave his only son.
He took action.
And so, yeah, there's a bigdifference between this
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dictionary definition that youread for us and true love, true
godly love.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Sometimes I like to look up words in the dictionary
and kind of see if I can, youknow, find a deeper meaning.
So I looked up love.
I looked up some synonyms and Ifound fondness, tenderness,
warmth, intimacy, endearment,devotion, adoration, worship,
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passion, compassion, caring,concern, friendship, goodwill,
sympathy, yearning, desire andrelationship.
I mean.
So these are beautifuldescriptions of love.
But where in our lives do wereally experience God's perfect
love?
Do we experience his love innature, in church, with a close
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friend or family member, whenwe're celebrating?
I mean, think about when do youexperience that closeness to
God where we're really it's like, oh, this is him, this is his
love.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So we posted this question in our private
community, RevWithinteam, and wehave reduced the price.
It's only $17.99 a month.
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Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's so generous, Heidi.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Amazing.
Anyway, we have asked thecommunity where do you
experience the reality of God'slove?
And it was interesting becauseoftentimes the people in our
community said, in some reallytough situations that don't get
resolved, they're just kind ofhanging out there.
And so what we found is when weare enduring through pain and
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stress and sorrow and sometimesa trial that seems to go on and
on that, many of us sense Goddrawing us closer and his love
just affecting us.
It's there and we can sense it.
Now, obviously there's othertimes, but sometimes you can
really sense God's love in thosedifficult situations when we
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feel weak, when we feelinadequate and totally
unequipped and completelyexhausted.
Sometimes that's when we'regoing to sense God's love.
And so it's not always in thehappy times, always in the it
has to be perfect situation,perfect circumstances, we can
sense God's presence and hislove and his power and his joy,
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even in the midst ofdifficulties and sometimes in
our wariness.
We have to come to the end ofourselves.
And that coming to the end ofourselves and that coming to the
end of myself, when I havenowhere to look but up, that's
when I'm going to see him likenever before.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, that's so, so true, and I know that people
often will say and I've I'm sureI've said it before too you
know, where is God in this?
He feels far away and distant,but so often if we just remember
the truth that he is rightthere and start asking him help
me to see you, help me to seeyour goodness in this, help me
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to see you in this difficulty,and then it's like, wow, I just
feel like so often my eyes areopened to his presence.
Yeah, so some of the examples ofreally long suffering is what
we call it.
It's something that goes on andon.
For example, caring for a lovedone who's declining physically
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or mentally we have a lot ofpeople in our community who are
facing that situation.
Or how about an adult childwho's walked away from the Lord?
What about grieving, grievingbecause of a divorce or a
friendship that's ended or anykind of relationship that's
broken?
What about healing from aninjury that has you in pain?
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Pain is so hard.
How about grieving a loved onewho's passed away, feeling
unfulfilled in your job?
Or maybe you've been unemployedand haven't been able to find
anything for a long time.
Maybe you've been deceived orbetrayed.
Maybe the needs of a young,special needs child feel
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overwhelming.
Or how about a marriage that'sbecome disconnected?
What about enduring chronicillness?
I mean, really you fill in theblank, right?
Everyone around us, pretty muchevery person around us.
I'm trying to think of oneperson that I know that's not
going through somethingdifficult.
We all go through seasons oflife that feel long, never
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ending and just downrightimpossible.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So my impossible situation when I felt God's love
in a really powerful way wasduring the ending of my first
marriage, as things were kind ofwrapping up, winding down,
whatever.
I mean it's just awful to thinkabout it, but I mean it was
impossible.
I love this man so much.
We'd been together over 30years and I remember just
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weeping about God.
How could this be acceptable toyou, how could this be your
plan, that you are calling meaway from my husband, the man I
married in 1985?
Lord, how could this be?
How could this be?
And God laid on my heart in away that was unmistakably him.
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He said I'm not calling youaway from Bob, nearly so much as
I'm calling you into deeperintimacy to come away with me.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
That just was a beautiful moment.
I will never forget that.
When you shared that with me,heidi, that was just one of
those moments.
You know that you never forget.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
That's right.
How about you?
Do you have one?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So one of many, many situations that I can think of
was when God was calling me awayfrom teaching.
I have been a teacher my wholelife.
When I was in kindergarten Iwanted to be a teacher, first
grade.
I wanted to be a teacher.
I mean, it was my life goal.
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It was the one thing that Ijust wanted more than anything
really was to become a teacher.
My whole childhood I playedschool every day with all my
stuffed animals and friends andeverything.
I mean that was what I wantedto do, it was my passion, it was
what I loved and it's stillwhat I love.
But there came a point in mylife where God said I'm going to
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pull you away from this rightnow, and it was because of, you
know, the Lyme disease that Ideal with.
I had become so sick that therewas just no way.
Like it was totally clear, cutand dry.
There was no way that I couldgo back to work in the fall,
back to the classroom, andhonestly, I was heartbroken.
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I just couldn't believe that Godwas calling me away from
something that I loved doing somuch and that I was so
passionate about.
So in that, in the midst ofthat, in the midst of being so
sick and in the midst of beingcalled away, I realized what he
was doing.
Some of what he was doing Inever know all of it, but there
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were a couple of big, big thingsthat he was doing that turned
into surprising blessingsblessings beyond what I could
imagine.
One of them was that myyoungest daughter was going
through a really, really hardtime.
The blessing was that, becauseI was working so hard, I did not
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see how deeply she wasstruggling, and when I was home
with her more, I realized whatwas happening and was able to be
there for her during a timewhen she really needed me.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Really needed you.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And I could get so wrapped up in my job and my
responsibilities as a teacherthat I would be blind to other
things Absolutely.
And then the other one is stillgoing on right now.
One is still going on right now.
The other one was that it gaveme an opportunity to start
coaching one-on-one and workwith Heidi full-time in
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Revelation Within, and that'sall I do now.
That's all I do all day, everyday, and I love it.
And I never imagined that Iwould be in a place where I had
the opportunity to do that andit's been amazing.
I wouldn't trade it foranything.
I really wouldn't.
It's been an incredibleexperience and I I get to still
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do it.
And so you know again, seeingGod's love in that.
I mean, there were many, manyhard days.
I couldn't even drive by theelementary school without crying
.
I avoided driving by the schoolfor actually two years.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I know that sounds crazy and it's right in your
neighborhood, so that's not easyto do.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
No and get this.
I left all my stuff there, mydesk, everything for two years.
I mean that's ridiculous, youknow, hoping that I would go
back and finally one of mycoworkers called me and said you
need to come get your stuffbecause we're moving things
around and we're not reallyusing it anymore.
Anyway, that was definitely wow.
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God blew me away with that one.
He just blew me away.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah Well, and you know, I appreciate you sharing
that story with us.
The thing is, the world has solittle to offer those of us who
are going through a season oflong suffering.
Right, we may turn to differentdistractions or counterfeit
comforts, but these actuallyprolong the heartache.
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We're not really processing itwith the Lord, and they do us
more harm than good in otherways as well.
Well, what does God say aboutthis, though?
What is true from hisperspective?
Because, as you know, inRevelation, within mind renewal
is thinking God's thoughts afterhim.
So, when I'm in a season ofsuffering, I want to think with
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the mind of Christ FirstCorinthians 2.16, about what it
is I'm going through.
If I can think with the mind ofChrist, I'm going to have a
probably a very differentperspective on what's going on,
or what could be going on behindthe scenes.
So we're going to share a fewof the thousands of words in the
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Bible that speak to us aboutthis very thing about endurance,
about perseverance and longsuffering.
So, we'll start with Psalm 107,verse nine, for he satisfies the
longing soul and the hungrysoul he fills with good things.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Oh, my goodness, I love this verse.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I love this verse so much.
I don't want to feel thatlonging.
I don't want to feel that and Idon't want to feel the hunger
that's in my soul either.
So I often preempt God'ssolution because I don't want to
wait around for it.
I just don't want to feel thisheartache, this emptiness, and I
run to other things.
When he says he will satisfy mylonging soul and he will fill
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my hungering soul with goodthings, wow, wow.
I don't want to miss knowingGod that way.
He's the one who satisfies andwho fills my soul.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yes, yes, oh.
I love the way you said that,heidi.
Thank you.
Okay, let's go to Psalm 138.8.
Another favorite of mine.
The Lord will fulfill hispurpose for me.
Again, will the word will.
It's going to happen, it'sgoing to be.
It's a done deal.
The Lord will fulfill hispurpose for me.
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Again, will the word will.
It's going to happen, it'sgoing to be, it's a done deal.
The Lord will fulfill hispurpose for me.
Your steadfast love, o Lord,endures forever.
Do not forsake the work of yourhands.
I love imagining his hands atwork in my life and his
fingerprints all over the place,and I can't see the big picture
.
I can't see what he sees.
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What he sees is amazing the wayhe's weaving everything
together and this comes in, andnow this and no, not yet that,
and then bring this in, and he'sjust doing this amazing work
and I just love thinking aboutthat.
And then I don't have to worryabout trying to figure out my
own purpose.
He's the one that will fulfillhis purpose for me.
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And then, of course, hissteadfast love.
It's not just today, it's notfor five minutes, it's not just,
you know, next year, it's goingto be forever.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, I know a lot of us.
When we're going throughsomething, our defaults are and
this isn't the mind of Christ,of course, but the mind of Heidi
.
The mind of Heidi might go God,why are you letting this happen
to me?
Look at all this is going,that's going on in my life.
Why is she or why is he allowedto do this to me?
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That's not the mind of Christ,and so I want to be steeped in
the truth and what God'sthoughts are about this.
It gives a totally differentperspective.
It doesn't minimize thestruggle that I'm having.
It doesn't minimize the painand the heartache, but what it
does is it gives me a newcontext for it.
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It's a context where God issovereign and he's big and he's
loving and he's intimate with me, and so that is the context
within which these things arehappening, these difficult
circumstances.
In the book of Lamentations,Jeremiah the prophet is
suffering, and I can justpicture him being so
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uncomfortable with the sense ofsuffering and loss that he has
as he looks around at hisbeloved homeland, and it's been
destroyed and demolished and allthese heartaches are going on,
and yet he says this verse thesteadfast love of the Lord never
ceases.
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Mercies never come to an end.
They are new every morning.
Great is your faithfulness.
The Lord is my portion, says mysoul.
Therefore, I will hope in him.
Lamentations 3, 22.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I love it so much.
I do too, you know.
I don't want to wait in theemptiness, but if I do, if I
choose to say I'll wait on theLord, then I will experience
what this passage says his love,his mercies, his great
faithfulness, his enoughness.
And that's just a great placeto be.
Even when I'm suffering, evenwhen circumstances are
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challenging, I can experiencethese things.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Well and I know we've talked about this before you
know the fact that God can takeit when we go off on him.
You know what I mean.
I did that, you know, recently,where I mean not in a
disrespectful way, but it's like, lord, this is too much, or
this is too much for my friend,or this is too much for my loved
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one, for my brother, whateverit is.
And it's like how could youchoose this?
I don't understand.
And he gets that it's okay,it's okay to approach him that
way, it's okay to be honest withhim.
But that's where he meets us.
He meets us with his love andassurance and he says I know, I
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understand.
We don't have to be afraid totell him honestly how we're
feeling.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Psalm 88 is a good reference for that too.
Yes, so if the listener isconcerned about, well, what does
honesty with God when I'mmiserable look like you can look
at Psalm 88 and just recognizethat God has recorded that in
his holy word, and that'sfascinating to me.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Well, and that's the Psalm that doesn't end well.
That is my closest friend.
Oh, my gosh, that Psalm, wow,but it is.
It helps me to see.
When I read it it's like, ohyeah, this is okay.
God is listening, he hears, heunderstands.
It's okay to be this honestwith him.
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Okay, let's go to Philippians1.6.
And I am sure of this, that hewho began a good work in you
will bring it to completion atthe day of Jesus Christ.
I mean, this is such anassuring verse for me.
I just feel like this is one ofthose verses that grounds my
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feet.
You know how, when you feellike you're slipping around in
the ice or slipping around onthe sand or the mud, yeah, and
you're like I don't know whatI'm like, what I'm standing on,
this is one of those verseswhere it's like you can stand on
this truth.
You can be sure of it.
God will finish the work thathe started.
Even if it doesn't feel good,even if you're in despair, even
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if you're struggling more thanyou've ever struggled, god
promises he will finish the workand the work is good.
Yes, we know it for sure.
We can count on this.
Even if we have nounderstanding of what's going on
.
We can stand on this verse,this truth.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Psalm 27, verse 14, says wait for the Lord, be
strong and let your heart takecourage.
Wait for the Lord.
So, during the seasons ofsuffering and trial and
challenge, it does.
It requires waiting.
Waiting for a shift, a changeor a different perspective.
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But here's the cool thing theone we wait for is faithful, he
is good, he is all loving and asI wait, I can rest assured that
he is coming.
I don't think he would tell meto wait for him if he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
You know, if somebody says to me well, wait for me
here, they're not going to leaveand not come back, and
especially not if it's God,because we know our God is
faithful and true and loving andhe's not going to mislead us in
that way, right?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
right, okay.
And then we have Romans 12, 12.
Rejoice in hope, be patient intribulation, be constant in
prayer.
So this is so clear.
I mean God is just sharing withus here.
This is what is going to help,this is what is going to feel
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better as you go through thistrial, because you will go
through trials.
This world is full of trouble.
He tells us that too.
And so what are we to do?
We're to rejoice in hope.
God is our hope.
We know that for sure.
We can count on him.
And then patient, there's thatwaiting again.
Waiting is hard, but there'sgood things in the waiting.
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God does things in the waiting.
He's active, he's busy and heknows what's best.
His timing is perfect.
And then be constant in prayer.
What does that mean to beconstant?
I mean I've got things to do.
What does that mean to beconstant?
I mean I've got things to do.
I think of it in terms of beingin conversation all day long.
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You know, it's kind of like mybestie.
I mean I'm in conversation withher all day long.
We're texting and going backand forth.
That's you, heidi.
It is, it is, it is.
But with the Lord it's likehe's actually in my thoughts,
and so it really goes quite abit deeper.
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Because you know prayer, I cantalk to him in my thoughts.
He knows my heart, he knows mystruggles, he's, he's all in
mixed in there, and of course,the Holy Spirit is in us as well
.
So that's.
That's pretty cool when youthink about it that way, being
constant in prayer, definitely.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Well, here's the thing too in our suffering, if
we are left to our own devices,if we don't take captive our
thoughts, a lot of times they'llrun away with us and take us
captive and we will do thingsthat won't be helpful.
I mean, they'll just, at bestthey'll numb us a little bit or
distract us, but then we'll haveto come back around to whatever
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it is we're struggling with.
And so we want to have the mindof Christ and practice thinking
with that mind, so that wedon't turn to counterfeits, we
don't do the overeating, wewon't do the overscrolling, we
won't do the spending money wedon't have, et cetera.
So we want to share with youone of our favorite mind renewal
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tools here at Revelation Within.
It's really simple but powerful, and it's simply called Lord
you will.
And it's so useful for thesetimes.
We've been talking about thosetimes when you're going through
a trial and you don't see yourway out of it.
You don't see what's coming, itjust feels like darkness.
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He lovingly reminds us that, aswe invite him into those seasons
, he is busy at work behind thescenes, using everything in our
lives for our good and for hisglory, and he really wants us to
take our eyes off of ourselves,off of what is seen, and to fix
our eyes instead on him, onthings above, on eternal things
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which are unseen, to look to himfor that hope and for the
future of good things that heintends for us.
And as we look to him, we cansense, we can hear his
invitation of love.
This is not the love of theworld.
It's so beyond that but, it'shis perfect love, a love that
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only he can give.
Yes, so how about if we teachour listeners the God you will?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, I would love to .
I would love to.
So we want to always start thevery same way.
Everything that we do, we wantto start by inviting God in.
We want to invite him in tojoin us in a sweet time of mind
renewal.
And if you haven't yet, withwhatever you're struggling with,
you definitely want to spend afew minutes telling him what
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you're up against and how you'refeeling.
You know, don't skip over that.
I think it's really important,especially when we're dealing
with some kind of deep, longsuffering.
But then, once we've talked tohim about it, once we've shared
how we're feeling, then we wantto focus on who God is, on his
attributes.
Who is God?
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What does he do for people, andat that point we can begin this
wonderful mind renewal.
Lord, you will.
And just in case, if you aren'tquite sure who God is maybe you
haven't looked at that in areally long time you want to go
into the word of God to help youwith that, and the Psalms are a
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great place to begin.
You will find all kinds ofdescriptions of who God is and
what he does in the Psalms,really everywhere in the Bible.
But that's a great place tostart.
Okay, we're going to go aheadand use the scriptures that we
just shared and we're going toshare, basically, a truth list
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of what Jesus will do, what Godwill do in his love.
Okay, lord Jesus, we want toinvite you into this time of
mind renewal with our listenersand with Heidi and I.
We want to ask that you, thistime of mind renewal with our
listeners and with Heidi and I,we want to ask that you would be
here for this, that you wouldplease give us your thoughts,
renew our minds.
Lord, we love you In Jesus'name, amen.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Amen, so I'll start us off.
Lord Jesus, you will satisfy mylonging soul.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Lord Jesus, you will fill my hungry soul with good
things.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
And Lord God, you will fulfill your purpose for me
.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
God, you will love me with an enduring, forever
steadfast love.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Jesus, you give me the strength to keep on.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
You will keep giving me the strength to keep on Lord
Jesus, you will provide endlessmercies for me.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Jesus, you provide new hope each morning and you
will keep providing new hopeeach morning.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Lord Jesus, you will be faithful without ceasing.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Jesus, you will be my portion.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Lord Jesus, you will be my enduring hope.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I love that Lord God, you will be faithful through
anything I go through.
All of it, All of it.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Lord God, you will complete the work that you have
begun in me and in my loved ones.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Lord God, you will provide the courage I need.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Lord God, you will help me to wait on you, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
you will help me to rejoice with gratitude.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Lord Jesus, you will hear my constant prayers.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Lord Jesus, you will bring your perfect healing in
your perfect timing.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Lord Jesus, you will cause all things to work for
good.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Lord Jesus, you will be strong in my weakness.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Lord God, you will be my way maker and my promise
keeper.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And Lord Jesus, you will be my comforter and my
peace.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Wow, I mean, that's just right now, in this very
moment, my soul is just full,like I'm not longing for
anything else.
I don't want to run and getthis or do this, you know, it
just feels like I want to justsit in this wonderful peace.
It's just so good to renew ourminds with God's truth.
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Okay, so then, what do we dowith this list?
Now you can write it out, oryou can do it kind of on the fly
, in the car or while you'rewaiting for somebody.
But if you've got it writtenout, then you're gonna wanna
read these out loud again andagain.
Maybe you wanna write them onsticky notes and note cards,
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make truth cards out of them,somewhere where you can see them
.
Often, especially when you'refeeling like I need to
experience God's love and I needto know what is he up to, what
is he doing you might want towhisper them to yourself when
you first wake up in the morningor as you close your eyes to go
to sleep at night.
You might want to write themout longhand or type them into
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the notes of your phone so thatyou always have them with you.
As you say what is true, yourthoughts will change those
patterns, those thoughts thathave been in the same patterns
for so long.
You will notice that they'reactually changing and soon your
beliefs will follow.
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And then you'll begin to seechanges in yourself, in your
actions, in your words, in yourconversation, in your responses
to whatever comes your way.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yes, you know, this is the key to our Revelation
Within ministry is most of thepeople who came to us over the
years before we were RevelationWithin and we were still using
the moniker Thin Within.
They had difficulties with foodand eating and their body image
and certainly what we sawhappening was as they began to
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train themselves to thinkdifferently about all the things
that might have sent them tofood before, as they began to
think with the mind of Christand think God's thoughts after
him and began to trust that hewill do these things that we've
just been saying in our mindrenewal tool.
That is when they stoppedrunning to food as consistently.
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They began to think differently,which caused them to believe
differently, which caused themto act differently.
And this, of course, is stillgoing on today, and we want to
encourage any listeners to justpractice this.
This God, you will in the midstof my storms, you will.
You will provide an endingwhere there is peace.
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It may not mean that all thisstuff gets cleared up in a way
that I think would be with atidy little bow, but he will
provide what is needed.
He has promised that, and so Iwant to just continue to believe
him for his promises.
What is true?
Life is hard, it just is.
It's messy and disappointingand difficult, but it exists in
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the same context as the factthat God is greater.
He is at work, he is on the job.
He will be who he says he isand he will do what he says he
will do.
He will see you through.
He offers us his supernaturallove like nothing we can find
here on earth.
Our hope is in Jesus Christalone.
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We can trust him to love uswell.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Well, we are so glad that you have been here today
and joining us, and we hope thatyou've enjoyed this as much as
we have, and we would love toinvite you to come to our next
episode of our podcast,revelation Within.
We'll see you next time.
Hi and welcome to our podcast Revelation Within on
the go.
I'm Heidi Bilesma-Efferson, oneof your hosts and the owner and
lead coach of theRevelationWithinorg ministry.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And I'm Christina Motley, your other host, also a
Revelation Within coach andHeidi's partner in all things
Revelation Within, and we're sohappy to invite you to join us
for this episode of RevelationWithin.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Well, we are in February when we're recording
this podcast, and so, of course,it is the month of love, love.
And we're kind of on that topicin our community.
We're on the topic of love,god's love specifically, of
course, because there is no lovethat can compete with the love
of our God.
Yes, so, what is love from theworld's point of view, though?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Well, from the world's point of view, I mean,
in so many ways it falls flatafter we know who God is.
So from the world's point ofview, it's an intense feeling of
deep affection or a strongfeeling of warm personal
attachment.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
That's from the dictionary.
That falls flat.
It's a flat balloon.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, it kind of is.
I mean, why do you say that,Heidi?
Why do you say that it's a flatballoon?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Well, my feelings can change.
Just if I'm not feeling well,if I'm tired or if I'm on
vacation, my feelings mightchange.
And if I allow my feelings todictate what I refer to as love,
like this feeling of deepaffection, I will be all over
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the place.
I will be critical and it won'tbe enough, both in my
relationships to love others,but also in my sense of God's
love.
For me, it's so much more thanthat.
It's an action.
God loved the world so muchthat he gave his only son.
He took action.
And so, yeah, there's a bigdifference between this
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dictionary definition that youread for us and true love, true
godly love.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Sometimes I like to look up words in the dictionary
and kind of see if I can, youknow, find a deeper meaning.
So I looked up love.
I looked up some synonyms and Ifound fondness, tenderness,
warmth, intimacy, endearment,devotion, adoration, worship,
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passion, compassion, caring,concern, friendship, goodwill,
sympathy, yearning, desire andrelationship.
I mean.
So these are beautifuldescriptions of love.
But where in our lives do wereally experience God's perfect
love?
Do we experience his love innature, in church, with a close
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friend or family member, whenwe're celebrating?
I mean, think about when do youexperience that closeness to
God where we're really it's like, oh, this is him, this is his
love.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So we posted this question in our private
community, RevWithinteam, and wehave reduced the price.
It's only $17.99 a month.
Oh my gosh and you get allkinds of goodies.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's so generous, Heidi.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Amazing.
Anyway, we have asked thecommunity where do you
experience the reality of God'slove?
And it was interesting becauseoftentimes the people in our
community said, in some reallytough situations that don't get
resolved, they're just kind ofhanging out there.
And so what we found is when weare enduring through pain and
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stress and sorrow and sometimesa trial that seems to go on and
on that, many of us sense Goddrawing us closer and his love
just affecting us.
It's there and we can sense it.
Now, obviously there's othertimes, but sometimes you can
really sense God's love in thosedifficult situations when we
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feel weak, when we feelinadequate and totally
unequipped and completelyexhausted.
Sometimes that's when we'regoing to sense God's love.
And so it's not always in thehappy times, always in the it
has to be perfect situation,perfect circumstances, we can
sense God's presence and hislove and his power and his joy,
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even in the midst ofdifficulties and sometimes in
our wariness.
We have to come to the end ofourselves.
And that coming to the end ofourselves and that coming to the
end of myself, when I havenowhere to look but up, that's
when I'm going to see him likenever before.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, that's so, so true, and I know that people
often will say and I've I'm sureI've said it before too you
know, where is God in this?
He feels far away and distant,but so often if we just remember
the truth that he is rightthere and start asking him help
me to see you, help me to seeyour goodness in this, help me
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to see you in this difficulty,and then it's like, wow, I just
feel like so often my eyes areopened to his presence.
Yeah, so some of the examples ofreally long suffering is what
we call it.
It's something that goes on andon.
For example, caring for a lovedone who's declining physically
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or mentally we have a lot ofpeople in our community who are
facing that situation.
Or how about an adult childwho's walked away from the Lord?
What about grieving, grievingbecause of a divorce or a
friendship that's ended or anykind of relationship that's
broken?
What about healing from aninjury that has you in pain?
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Pain is so hard.
How about grieving a loved onewho's passed away, feeling
unfulfilled in your job?
Or maybe you've been unemployedand haven't been able to find
anything for a long time.
Maybe you've been deceived orbetrayed.
Maybe the needs of a young,special needs child feel
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overwhelming.
Or how about a marriage that'sbecome disconnected?
What about enduring chronicillness?
I mean, really you fill in theblank, right?
Everyone around us, pretty muchevery person around us.
I'm trying to think of oneperson that I know that's not
going through somethingdifficult.
We all go through seasons oflife that feel long, never
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ending and just downrightimpossible.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So my impossible situation when I felt God's love
in a really powerful way wasduring the ending of my first
marriage, as things were kind ofwrapping up, winding down,
whatever.
I mean it's just awful to thinkabout it, but I mean it was
impossible.
I love this man so much.
We'd been together over 30years and I remember just
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weeping about God.
How could this be acceptable toyou, how could this be your
plan, that you are calling meaway from my husband, the man I
married in 1985?
Lord, how could this be?
How could this be?
And God laid on my heart in away that was unmistakably him.
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He said I'm not calling youaway from Bob, nearly so much as
I'm calling you into deeperintimacy to come away with me.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
That just was a beautiful moment.
I will never forget that.
When you shared that with me,heidi, that was just one of
those moments.
You know that you never forget.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
That's right.
How about you?
Do you have one?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So one of many, many situations that I can think of
was when God was calling me awayfrom teaching.
I have been a teacher my wholelife.
When I was in kindergarten Iwanted to be a teacher, first
grade.
I wanted to be a teacher.
I mean, it was my life goal.
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It was the one thing that Ijust wanted more than anything
really was to become a teacher.
My whole childhood I playedschool every day with all my
stuffed animals and friends andeverything.
I mean that was what I wantedto do, it was my passion, it was
what I loved and it's stillwhat I love.
But there came a point in mylife where God said I'm going to
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pull you away from this rightnow, and it was because of, you
know, the Lyme disease that Ideal with.
I had become so sick that therewas just no way.
Like it was totally clear, cutand dry.
There was no way that I couldgo back to work in the fall,
back to the classroom, andhonestly, I was heartbroken.
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I just couldn't believe that Godwas calling me away from
something that I loved doing somuch and that I was so
passionate about.
So in that, in the midst ofthat, in the midst of being so
sick and in the midst of beingcalled away, I realized what he
was doing.
Some of what he was doing Inever know all of it, but there
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were a couple of big, big thingsthat he was doing that turned
into surprising blessingsblessings beyond what I could
imagine.
One of them was that myyoungest daughter was going
through a really, really hardtime.
The blessing was that, becauseI was working so hard, I did not
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see how deeply she wasstruggling, and when I was home
with her more, I realized whatwas happening and was able to be
there for her during a timewhen she really needed me.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Really needed you.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And I could get so wrapped up in my job and my
responsibilities as a teacherthat I would be blind to other
things Absolutely.
And then the other one is stillgoing on right now.
One is still going on right now.
The other one was that it gaveme an opportunity to start
coaching one-on-one and workwith Heidi full-time in
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Revelation Within, and that'sall I do now.
That's all I do all day, everyday, and I love it.
And I never imagined that Iwould be in a place where I had
the opportunity to do that andit's been amazing.
I wouldn't trade it foranything.
I really wouldn't.
It's been an incredibleexperience and I I get to still
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do it.
And so you know again, seeingGod's love in that.
I mean, there were many, manyhard days.
I couldn't even drive by theelementary school without crying
.
I avoided driving by the schoolfor actually two years.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I know that sounds crazy and it's right in your
neighborhood, so that's not easyto do.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
No and get this.
I left all my stuff there, mydesk, everything for two years.
I mean that's ridiculous, youknow, hoping that I would go
back and finally one of mycoworkers called me and said you
need to come get your stuffbecause we're moving things
around and we're not reallyusing it anymore.
Anyway, that was definitely wow.
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God blew me away with that one.
He just blew me away.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah Well, and you know, I appreciate you sharing
that story with us.
The thing is, the world has solittle to offer those of us who
are going through a season oflong suffering.
Right, we may turn to differentdistractions or counterfeit
comforts, but these actuallyprolong the heartache.
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We're not really processing itwith the Lord, and they do us
more harm than good in otherways as well.
Well, what does God say aboutthis, though?
What is true from hisperspective?
Because, as you know, inRevelation, within mind renewal
is thinking God's thoughts afterhim.
So, when I'm in a season ofsuffering, I want to think with
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the mind of Christ FirstCorinthians 2.16, about what it
is I'm going through.
If I can think with the mind ofChrist, I'm going to have a
probably a very differentperspective on what's going on,
or what could be going on behindthe scenes.
So we're going to share a fewof the thousands of words in the
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Bible that speak to us aboutthis very thing about endurance,
about perseverance and longsuffering.
So, we'll start with Psalm 107,verse nine, for he satisfies the
longing soul and the hungrysoul he fills with good things.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Oh, my goodness, I love this verse.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I love this verse so much.
I don't want to feel thatlonging.
I don't want to feel that and Idon't want to feel the hunger
that's in my soul either.
So I often preempt God'ssolution because I don't want to
wait around for it.
I just don't want to feel thisheartache, this emptiness, and I
run to other things.
When he says he will satisfy mylonging soul and he will fill
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my hungering soul with goodthings, wow, wow.
I don't want to miss knowingGod that way.
He's the one who satisfies andwho fills my soul.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yes, yes, oh.
I love the way you said that,heidi.
Thank you.
Okay, let's go to Psalm 138.8.
Another favorite of mine.
The Lord will fulfill hispurpose for me.
Again, will the word will.
It's going to happen, it'sgoing to be.
It's a done deal.
The Lord will fulfill hispurpose for me.
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Again, will the word will.
It's going to happen, it'sgoing to be, it's a done deal.
The Lord will fulfill hispurpose for me.
Your steadfast love, o Lord,endures forever.
Do not forsake the work of yourhands.
I love imagining his hands atwork in my life and his
fingerprints all over the place,and I can't see the big picture
.
I can't see what he sees.
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What he sees is amazing the wayhe's weaving everything
together and this comes in, andnow this and no, not yet that,
and then bring this in, and he'sjust doing this amazing work
and I just love thinking aboutthat.
And then I don't have to worryabout trying to figure out my
own purpose.
He's the one that will fulfillhis purpose for me.
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And then, of course, hissteadfast love.
It's not just today, it's notfor five minutes, it's not just,
you know, next year, it's goingto be forever.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, I know a lot of us.
When we're going throughsomething, our defaults are and
this isn't the mind of Christ,of course, but the mind of Heidi
.
The mind of Heidi might go God,why are you letting this happen
to me?
Look at all this is going,that's going on in my life.
Why is she or why is he allowedto do this to me?
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That's not the mind of Christ,and so I want to be steeped in
the truth and what God'sthoughts are about this.
It gives a totally differentperspective.
It doesn't minimize thestruggle that I'm having.
It doesn't minimize the painand the heartache, but what it
does is it gives me a newcontext for it.
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It's a context where God issovereign and he's big and he's
loving and he's intimate with me, and so that is the context
within which these things arehappening, these difficult
circumstances.
In the book of Lamentations,Jeremiah the prophet is
suffering, and I can justpicture him being so
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uncomfortable with the sense ofsuffering and loss that he has
as he looks around at hisbeloved homeland, and it's been
destroyed and demolished and allthese heartaches are going on,
and yet he says this verse thesteadfast love of the Lord never
ceases.
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Mercies never come to an end.
They are new every morning.
Great is your faithfulness.
The Lord is my portion, says mysoul.
Therefore, I will hope in him.
Lamentations 3, 22.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I love it so much.
I do too, you know.
I don't want to wait in theemptiness, but if I do, if I
choose to say I'll wait on theLord, then I will experience
what this passage says his love,his mercies, his great
faithfulness, his enoughness.
And that's just a great placeto be.
Even when I'm suffering, evenwhen circumstances are
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challenging, I can experiencethese things.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Well and I know we've talked about this before you
know the fact that God can takeit when we go off on him.
You know what I mean.
I did that, you know, recently,where I mean not in a
disrespectful way, but it's like, lord, this is too much, or
this is too much for my friend,or this is too much for my loved
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one, for my brother, whateverit is.
And it's like how could youchoose this?
I don't understand.
And he gets that it's okay,it's okay to approach him that
way, it's okay to be honest withhim.
But that's where he meets us.
He meets us with his love andassurance and he says I know, I
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understand.
We don't have to be afraid totell him honestly how we're
feeling.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Psalm 88 is a good reference for that too.
Yes, so if the listener isconcerned about, well, what does
honesty with God when I'mmiserable look like you can look
at Psalm 88 and just recognizethat God has recorded that in
his holy word, and that'sfascinating to me.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Well, and that's the Psalm that doesn't end well.
That is my closest friend.
Oh, my gosh, that Psalm, wow,but it is.
It helps me to see.
When I read it it's like, ohyeah, this is okay.
God is listening, he hears, heunderstands.
It's okay to be this honestwith him.
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Okay, let's go to Philippians1.6.
And I am sure of this, that hewho began a good work in you
will bring it to completion atthe day of Jesus Christ.
I mean, this is such anassuring verse for me.
I just feel like this is one ofthose verses that grounds my
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feet.
You know how, when you feellike you're slipping around in
the ice or slipping around onthe sand or the mud, yeah, and
you're like I don't know whatI'm like, what I'm standing on,
this is one of those verseswhere it's like you can stand on
this truth.
You can be sure of it.
God will finish the work thathe started.
Even if it doesn't feel good,even if you're in despair, even
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if you're struggling more thanyou've ever struggled, god
promises he will finish the workand the work is good.
Yes, we know it for sure.
We can count on this.
Even if we have nounderstanding of what's going on
.
We can stand on this verse,this truth.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Psalm 27, verse 14, says wait for the Lord, be
strong and let your heart takecourage.
Wait for the Lord.
So, during the seasons ofsuffering and trial and
challenge, it does.
It requires waiting.
Waiting for a shift, a changeor a different perspective.
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But here's the cool thing theone we wait for is faithful, he
is good, he is all loving and asI wait, I can rest assured that
he is coming.
I don't think he would tell meto wait for him if he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
You know, if somebody says to me well, wait for me
here, they're not going to leaveand not come back, and
especially not if it's God,because we know our God is
faithful and true and loving andhe's not going to mislead us in
that way, right?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
right, okay.
And then we have Romans 12, 12.
Rejoice in hope, be patient intribulation, be constant in
prayer.
So this is so clear.
I mean God is just sharing withus here.
This is what is going to help,this is what is going to feel
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better as you go through thistrial, because you will go
through trials.
This world is full of trouble.
He tells us that too.
And so what are we to do?
We're to rejoice in hope.
God is our hope.
We know that for sure.
We can count on him.
And then patient, there's thatwaiting again.
Waiting is hard, but there'sgood things in the waiting.
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God does things in the waiting.
He's active, he's busy and heknows what's best.
His timing is perfect.
And then be constant in prayer.
What does that mean to beconstant?
I mean I've got things to do.
What does that mean to beconstant?
I mean I've got things to do.
I think of it in terms of beingin conversation all day long.
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You know, it's kind of like mybestie.
I mean I'm in conversation withher all day long.
We're texting and going backand forth.
That's you, heidi.
It is, it is, it is.
But with the Lord it's likehe's actually in my thoughts,
and so it really goes quite abit deeper.
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Because you know prayer, I cantalk to him in my thoughts.
He knows my heart, he knows mystruggles, he's, he's all in
mixed in there, and of course,the Holy Spirit is in us as well
.
So that's.
That's pretty cool when youthink about it that way, being
constant in prayer, definitely.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Well, here's the thing too in our suffering, if
we are left to our own devices,if we don't take captive our
thoughts, a lot of times they'llrun away with us and take us
captive and we will do thingsthat won't be helpful.
I mean, they'll just, at bestthey'll numb us a little bit or
distract us, but then we'll haveto come back around to whatever
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it is we're struggling with.
And so we want to have the mindof Christ and practice thinking
with that mind, so that wedon't turn to counterfeits, we
don't do the overeating, wewon't do the overscrolling, we
won't do the spending money wedon't have, et cetera.
So we want to share with youone of our favorite mind renewal
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tools here at Revelation Within.
It's really simple but powerful, and it's simply called Lord
you will.
And it's so useful for thesetimes.
We've been talking about thosetimes when you're going through
a trial and you don't see yourway out of it.
You don't see what's coming, itjust feels like darkness.
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He lovingly reminds us that, aswe invite him into those seasons
, he is busy at work behind thescenes, using everything in our
lives for our good and for hisglory, and he really wants us to
take our eyes off of ourselves,off of what is seen, and to fix
our eyes instead on him, onthings above, on eternal things
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which are unseen, to look to himfor that hope and for the
future of good things that heintends for us.
And as we look to him, we cansense, we can hear his
invitation of love.
This is not the love of theworld.
It's so beyond that but, it'shis perfect love, a love that
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only he can give.
Yes, so how about if we teachour listeners the God you will?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, I would love to .
I would love to.
So we want to always start thevery same way.
Everything that we do, we wantto start by inviting God in.
We want to invite him in tojoin us in a sweet time of mind
renewal.
And if you haven't yet, withwhatever you're struggling with,
you definitely want to spend afew minutes telling him what
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you're up against and how you'refeeling.
You know, don't skip over that.
I think it's really important,especially when we're dealing
with some kind of deep, longsuffering.
But then, once we've talked tohim about it, once we've shared
how we're feeling, then we wantto focus on who God is, on his
attributes.
Who is God?
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What does he do for people, andat that point we can begin this
wonderful mind renewal.
Lord, you will.
And just in case, if you aren'tquite sure who God is maybe you
haven't looked at that in areally long time you want to go
into the word of God to help youwith that, and the Psalms are a
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great place to begin.
You will find all kinds ofdescriptions of who God is and
what he does in the Psalms,really everywhere in the Bible.
But that's a great place tostart.
Okay, we're going to go aheadand use the scriptures that we
just shared and we're going toshare, basically, a truth list
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of what Jesus will do, what Godwill do in his love.
Okay, lord Jesus, we want toinvite you into this time of
mind renewal with our listenersand with Heidi and I.
We want to ask that you, thistime of mind renewal with our
listeners and with Heidi and I,we want to ask that you would be
here for this, that you wouldplease give us your thoughts,
renew our minds.
Lord, we love you In Jesus'name, amen.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Amen, so I'll start us off.
Lord Jesus, you will satisfy mylonging soul.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Lord Jesus, you will fill my hungry soul with good
things.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
And Lord God, you will fulfill your purpose for me
.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
God, you will love me with an enduring, forever
steadfast love.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Jesus, you give me the strength to keep on.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
You will keep giving me the strength to keep on Lord
Jesus, you will provide endlessmercies for me.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Jesus, you provide new hope each morning and you
will keep providing new hopeeach morning.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Lord Jesus, you will be faithful without ceasing.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Jesus, you will be my portion.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Lord Jesus, you will be my enduring hope.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I love that Lord God, you will be faithful through
anything I go through.
All of it, All of it.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Lord God, you will complete the work that you have
begun in me and in my loved ones.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Lord God, you will provide the courage I need.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Lord God, you will help me to wait on you, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
you will help me to rejoice with gratitude.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Lord Jesus, you will hear my constant prayers.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Lord Jesus, you will bring your perfect healing in
your perfect timing.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Lord Jesus, you will cause all things to work for
good.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Lord Jesus, you will be strong in my weakness.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Lord God, you will be my way maker and my promise
keeper.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And Lord Jesus, you will be my comforter and my
peace.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Wow, I mean, that's just right now, in this very
moment, my soul is just full,like I'm not longing for
anything else.
I don't want to run and getthis or do this, you know, it
just feels like I want to justsit in this wonderful peace.
It's just so good to renew ourminds with God's truth.
(28:59):
Okay, so then, what do we dowith this list?
Now you can write it out, oryou can do it kind of on the fly
, in the car or while you'rewaiting for somebody.
But if you've got it writtenout, then you're gonna wanna
read these out loud again andagain.
Maybe you wanna write them onsticky notes and note cards,
(29:20):
make truth cards out of them,somewhere where you can see them
.
Often, especially when you'refeeling like I need to
experience God's love and I needto know what is he up to, what
is he doing you might want towhisper them to yourself when
you first wake up in the morningor as you close your eyes to go
to sleep at night.
You might want to write themout longhand or type them into
(29:44):
the notes of your phone so thatyou always have them with you.
As you say what is true, yourthoughts will change those
patterns, those thoughts thathave been in the same patterns
for so long.
You will notice that they'reactually changing and soon your
beliefs will follow.
(30:05):
And then you'll begin to seechanges in yourself, in your
actions, in your words, in yourconversation, in your responses
to whatever comes your way.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yes, you know, this is the key to our Revelation
Within ministry is most of thepeople who came to us over the
years before we were RevelationWithin and we were still using
the moniker Thin Within.
They had difficulties with foodand eating and their body image
and certainly what we sawhappening was as they began to
(30:40):
train themselves to thinkdifferently about all the things
that might have sent them tofood before, as they began to
think with the mind of Christand think God's thoughts after
him and began to trust that hewill do these things that we've
just been saying in our mindrenewal tool.
That is when they stoppedrunning to food as consistently.
(31:04):
They began to think differently,which caused them to believe
differently, which caused themto act differently.
And this, of course, is stillgoing on today, and we want to
encourage any listeners to justpractice this.
This God, you will in the midstof my storms, you will.
You will provide an endingwhere there is peace.
(31:24):
It may not mean that all thisstuff gets cleared up in a way
that I think would be with atidy little bow, but he will
provide what is needed.
He has promised that, and so Iwant to just continue to believe
him for his promises.
What is true?
Life is hard, it just is.
It's messy and disappointingand difficult, but it exists in
(31:49):
the same context as the factthat God is greater.
He is at work, he is on the job.
He will be who he says he isand he will do what he says he
will do.
He will see you through.
He offers us his supernaturallove like nothing we can find
here on earth.
Our hope is in Jesus Christalone.
(32:11):
We can trust him to love uswell.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Well, we are so glad that you have been here today
and joining us, and we hope thatyou've enjoyed this as much as
we have, and we would love toinvite you to come to our next
episode of our podcast,revelation Within.
We'll see you next time.
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