September 24, 2025 • 32 mins
We’ve both known the heavy weight of shame—the kind that tells you not just that you’ve failed, but that you are a failure. In this episode, we open up about how shame has tried to define us and how God’s Word gives us a different story. Hebrews 12:2 shows us how Jesus “scorned” shame as He faced the cross, counting it insignificant compared to the joy before Him. That perspective gives us hope too. We talk about the different places shame comes from—our own mistakes, wounds from others, or lies we’ve believed—and how speaking truth to our souls, like the psalmist in Psalm 42–43, can break shame’s grip.
We also walk through a practical five-step process that’s been life-changing for us: bringing shame into the light, asking God to reveal its roots, confessing or releasing it, replacing the lies with His truth, and finally, praising Him for the exchange. We share real tools—like creating “truth lists” from Scripture and journaling exercises—that have helped us move from shame toward freedom. Our heart is for you to know this: shame doesn’t get the last word in your story. In Christ, you can exchange shame for joy, ashes for beauty, and captivity for freedom.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi and welcome to our podcast, revelation Within On
the Go.
I'm Heidi Biles-Mapperson, oneof your hosts and the owner and
lead coach of theRevelationWithinorg ministry.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Right on, and I'm Christina Motley, your other
host, also a Revelation Withincoach and Heidi's partner in all
things Revelation Within, andwe are so happy to invite you to
join us for this episode ofRevelation Within on the go.
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Yay, we have so much fun withthat every single week.
I don't get it.
It's like small pleasures orsomething.
I look forward to it.
It's like this great release.
I don't know.
I love it.
Yeah, it's good stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah Well, we're so glad you're here Today.
We're going to dive intosomething that's powerful but
tender.
Really, our first session withour brand new class.
Moving from shame to Shalom uh,seeing yourself with God's eyes
.
Uh, met this week, and so it'sbeen on my mind as I've been
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doing the homework for the class, cause I do like to go through
it as though I'm a participant.
Um, even though I wrote it,yeah.
Um and, and so shame has reallykind of been on my mind.
I've been noticing it croppingup, popping up, even creeping up
.
So today we're going to talkabout moving from shame to a
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sense of freedom in Christ notjust a sense, but really living
it, and I'm still in processhere.
For sure we all are, I am forsure.
I mean, I think there are timesin my life when I live in
greater freedom from shame thanothers.
But I've also noticed that itseems to be connected closely
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with things that I'm confidentabout or not confident about
feeling good about or notfeeling good about.
And really Jesus has promised usfreedom from shame, that is,
without regard for circumstancesand situations, he wants us to
live in the freedom from shamethat he purchased.
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So we're going to dive intoHebrews 12 too a little bit.
It says there and Christinawill read the whole passage here
in a minute that Jesus actuallyendured the cross, scorning the
shame, and we want to kind offigure out.
What does that even mean?
How does it apply to us if itdoes, and, most importantly, how
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do we live this out practicallyso that shame doesn't get to
define us at all?
I'm excited about going heretoday.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, me too.
Me too, it does go deeper.
Many of us don't like to talkabout this, right, right.
But shame is not from God.
I have to say that to myselfoften because I used to believe
that maybe it really was.
You know that I need to sit inshame for a while so that I can
change, and that is not at allGod's design.
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Not at all, so it helps me tosay wait a minute, stop
everything.
Shame is the enemy's tool.
It is not from God, and so wedo.
We want to get to a place, asmuch as possible, where we are
living in freedom from shame.
And I know, for me, sometimesit crops up when a situation
changes and I feel inadequate.
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I feel like, oh my gosh, Ican't do this, or you know,
there's all different, differenttimes that it crops up even
when we think we've dealt withit.
So I'm really glad that we'retalking about this today.
It's going to be great.
God's going to show us histruth and his thoughts and we
are going to get started with abiblical foundation, which is
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the best place to start.
So Hebrews 12, 2 says lookingto Jesus, the founder and
perfecter of our faith, who, forthe joy that was set before him
, endured the cross, despisingthe shame, despising the shame,
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and is seated at the right handof the throne of God.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Well, and it's interesting when you start
pulling this apart.
I kind of dug into it a littlebit today.
In the original Greek, thisword despising means to look
down on, to treat as of noaccount and to despise, so I
find that fascinating.
It's not that Jesus didn't feelany shame.
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Crucifixion at the timeespecially, I mean it was the
most humiliating, shame-filleddeath imaginable.
But Jesus viewed it as a smallissue compared to the joy that
was set before him, which is us,our salvation, his victory, his
reunion with the Father andbringing us all in to his
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kingdom.
That's, I mean, I think that'sjust amazing For the joy set
before him.
He scorned the shame and went tothe cross.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah.
So when we really look at this,jesus reframed shame, he saw it
through a lens of eternity, notour time here on earth, and
that's our invitation to.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It's.
It's helpful At least it hasbeen for me over the years to
kind of look at how does shameland in my life.
You know where does it comefrom, and really sometimes shame
comes, of course, from our ownfailures.
I bet you, you, you could eventhink of something as you're
listening.
You can think of something thatyou did or didn't do as well as
you wanted to do.
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That kind of caused shame tocrop up.
Sometimes shame comes to usfrom things done to us, and that
is definitely a case for me.
In fact, I think that I was insome ways wired for shame by my
parents because of some of thethings they did and whatnot, and
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then sometimes shame comesthrough lies we've believed for
years and I think this is justso helpful.
Psalm 42 and 43, they repeat aquestion three different times
why, my soul, are you downcast?
Why are you so disturbed withinme?
Put your hope in God.
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I love that.
I'll let you talk about that?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, no, I love it too.
I love that the psalmist talksto his own soul.
It's such a great example ofmind renewal, isn't it?
It's like tell yourself thetruth.
Tell myself the truth.
What is the truth from God'sperspective?
Say it out loud, you know.
Say it again.
Say it again.
What is the truth?
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And here the psalmist is sayinghey, soul, don't stay bowed
down under this weight.
There's hope in God.
You don't have to stay in thisplace.
Talk to your own soul.
I mean, it might sound a littlecrazy, but it's absolutely not.
It's powerful.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And that's mind renewal renewing our minds with
God's own thoughts, choosing ourthoughts rather than letting
those lies and runaway thoughtsjust take us Right exactly it's
a beautiful thing, it's God'sdesign and in this example for
us in the Psalms, it gives us amodel we want to name our
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discouragement honestly, for meit helps so much when I
recognize huh, this is shame.
I think what I'm feeling isshame.
I recognize it and we're goingto talk more about that in a few
minutes.
But then, speaking the truthback to ourselves, what are
God's thoughts about what I'mfeeling?
Shame, in response to you know,that is renewing my mind.
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And when I think God's thoughtsabout shame, for instance, or
whatever it is that caused me tofeel shame, the more I think
God's thoughts, the more I amlikely to believe what he says
and act on what he says.
And shame just can't coexistwith God's truth, just can't
Right right.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well, and I think part of the difficulty with this
is we don't stop long enough toidentify what's going on.
Right, I think that's a big one.
It's like why don't I just stopit?
What's going on with me?
Why do I feel so bad online tosurf the web or buy things I
can't?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
afford.
I mean truly.
It's to distract me fromfeeling this thing.
Oftentimes it's shame I'mfeeling and I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah.
So so much of this really is aninvitation from God.
It's like come, come and talkto me about this.
Let's reframe this.
Let's look at it for what it is.
So here's a truth list fromPsalm 42 and 43 to help when
shame or discouragement weighsheavy.
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So this is great.
We love truth lists atRevelation.
Within A truth list is simplyit can be short, it can be long,
it can be one truth to help usto be grounded.
To help us to be grounded inGod's truth and in his
perspective, rather than theworld's or the enemy's or our
own.
And so this is a beautiful listand it has scripture with each
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one.
The first one is from Psalm 42,5.
God is my hope, plain andsimple.
God is my hope, plain andsimple god is my hope.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Well, and I love this truth list because it's not
just a truth list, it's alsolike a god list, because every
one of these starts with god andmost of them start with.
God is so the second one is Godis my savior and my God, and
that is from Psalm 42, versefive and 11.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
The third one is God's presence is my deepest
longing.
Wow, that's from Psalm 42,verse one.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Number four God's love is constant, even in the
night.
Psalm 42, verse 8.
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Number five God is my stronghold and defender.
From Psalm 43, verse 2.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
The next one is God's light and truth guide me.
Psalm 43, verse 3.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
And then the last one we have here, but there could
be um hundreds a hundred more ahundred more at least God is my
joy and delight, and that's fromPsalm 43, four.
I mean imagine like, forexample, getting ready for a
really stressful meeting at workor something like that, taking
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this truth list with you andreading it before you go,
reading it in the bathroom,reading it before that meeting
begins, reading it after you'retelling your soul what is true
from a perspective of eternity.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
It changes everything it really does.
I'm thinking of some thingsthat I have struggled and I've
noticed in the last few daysthat my response is shame to
what I'm thinking.
And if I were to refute thosethoughts with a list like this,
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I mean, it would make a hugedifference right in the moment.
It would make a huge difference.
Of course, we can also usethese kinds of lists in our
quiet times, when we get up inthe morning, in the middle of
the day, anytime really.
You don't have to be in theshower right.
You don't have to be in themidst of a shame session in
order to pull this out.
You can proactively,preemptively, before shame
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starts calling, have thesethoughts kind of going through
your head, and so you want tospeak these truths out loud.
You want you could even journalabout them, turn them into a
praise fest.
You know, god, you are my hope,god, you are my savior, my God,
et cetera.
I just love doing that and whatI found is, when I praise him,
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and what I found is when.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Praise him when you are anxious.
Praise him when you're confused.
Praise him when you'reoverwhelmed.
Praise him when you're, youknow, soaked in sorrow.
Praise him.
The praising turns our heartstoward him in a way that nothing
else really can.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
So true.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And it's mind renewal and it's gratitude.
It's like all the best thingswrapped into one and, of course,
all over the word.
That's what God tells us to doPraise me, thank me and praise
me in all circumstances.
So we want to do that.
There's something very, veryspecial and unique about
praising God very, very specialand unique about praising God?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, definitely I think of.
Was it Barnabas and Peter whowere in jail and in shackles
after something, and then theystarted singing hymns.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And wow, can you just imagine.
And how?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
the other prisoners were hearing this going on
probably at first were like shutup, it's time to sleep or
something like that, but then Imean it seems as though it had a
great effect.
So I just I love that If I canfollow their example and praise
in the middle of a disappointingsituation or when I'm feeling
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shame about something.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I know it's going to change a lot.
Yes, it does.
And I know, for me, when I'mgetting into kind of a not a
downward spiral, but just I knowthat I'm looking at life kind
of in a downhearted way, I canask myself when was the last
time you praised God?
It's like, oh, I forgot youknow I've been too busy.
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Well, no wonder, and it takesabout two seconds to do it.
You know it can be so, so quickand it's like okay, now I have
my perspective back where itneeds to be.
So here's another one, straightfrom Hebrews 12,.
Two for scorning the shameNumber one Jesus endured the
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cross for me.
That was for me, that was foryou, that was for you, heidi,
that was for all of uspersonally, as if we were the
only person on the whole planet.
Jesus endured the cross for me.
That is a powerful truth.
And then number two shamedoesn't get the final word.
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Shame doesn't get the finalword.
No, God gets the final word,always.
His truth and the way he seesme.
That's what gets the final word.
And then number three goesalong with that one.
My identity is not defined bymy failures.
That's not my identity.
I am a girl of God, I am adaughter of the King.
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That is my identity.
My identity is not defined bywhat I do or don't do.
And then number four joyoutweighs shame every time, and
that's the joy of the Lord thatwe're talking about.
That's not just fleetinghappiness when we go to a
counter for comfort.
That's the joy of the Lord thatwe're talking about.
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That's not just fleetinghappiness when we go to a
counterfeit comfort.
That's the joy of the Lord.
What's that verse where ittalks about the fullness of joy
in God's presence?
I love that verse.
Joy outweighs shame every time.
And then number five shame istemporary.
Glory is eternal.
We want so much, as much aspossible, for our, our
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perspective to be eternal, ashard as that is.
But when we look to God, welook to who he is and what he
does, we can see eternity andshame goes away.
And number six I can fix my eyeson Jesus away.
And number six I can fix myeyes on Jesus, not my past.
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And that could be your pastfive minutes ago, it could be an
hour, days, weeks could beyears.
You can fix your eyes on Christ, not your past, and that's
powerful.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And I just have to insert here we're not talking
about spiritual bypass ordisregarding the feelings that
we have and pretending theydon't matter Really.
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For me, what makes thedifference is not against the
backdrop of the love of Godfound in Christ, and that's the
cross, and so I want to put itin its proper perspective.
Yes, I'm feeling downcast.
Yes, it's true, I'm feelingshame, but what is also true is
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all of these things we've beentalking about in these truth
lists and I think I'm going toturn that last one into a prayer
right now, because that is.
I mean for me.
This just lifts my heart somuch so this is a prayer for
scorning shame.
Oh Jesus, you carried the fullweight of shame, public scorn,
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abandonment, the curse of sin,and you treated it as small
because you knew joy was coming.
There was a bigger truth yetahead, and today I want to fix
my eyes on you, not my mistakes,not my fears.
Teach me to scorn shame the wayyou did, to see it as temporary
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, really, compared to theeternal joy of walking with you
all the days of my life.
Thank you, lord, god, amen,amen, beautiful, beautiful
prayer.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
So much hope there.
Amen, Beautiful beautifulprayer.
So much hope there.
Okay, so let's get practical.
Here are 10 passages to help usscorn shame in daily life.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Get a pen and pencil ready?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, if you happen to have a pen or pencil, or you
can put it in the notes sectionof your phone or you can listen
again later.
These are just really reallygreat, powerful grounding verses
to help us when we'restruggling with shame.
The first one is Romans 8.1.
There is no condemnation inChrist.
Yay, one of my very favoritetruths.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I love it.
Romans 10.11.
Whoever trusts in him willnever be put to shame.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yay, yay, isaiah 54.4 .
Do not fear disgrace, you willnot be humiliated.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I like that.
Yeah, psalm 34, verse 5.
Those who look to him areradiant.
Yay, I want me some radiant.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Absolutely, Absolutely.
That's how he sees us.
I love it.
Um.
From first John, one verse nineconfess and be cleansed.
Absolutely Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Micah, chapter seven, verses eight and nine Though I
fall, I will rise.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Beautiful.
2 Corinthians 5, 17.
I am a new creation in Christ.
A new creation in Christ, Ilove it.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Philippians 3, verse 13 and 14.
Forget forgetting what's behind.
I press on.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Okay, two more.
First Peter, chapter two, versesix trust in him, not shame.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Colossians 2, verses 13 and 14, sin nailed to the
cross.
That's what we see in thatscripture.
I love it.
Hmm, nailed to the cross.
That's what we see in thatscripture.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I love it.
So someone listening might askdo I need to repent from feeling
shame?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
That's such an interesting question too, and we
were asked that on Monday byone of the participants in our
Zoom from shame to shalom class.
And here's the thing and Ithink this is really, you know,
everybody needs to take thisquestion to God about repenting
of anything.
Again, repentance is aninvitation to be refreshed by
God, not to be condemned by God,not to be punished.
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So think of it that way.
But here's the thing Shameitself is not sin.
It helps to look at it morelike a signal.
Sometimes it points us to sinthat might need confession,
because oftentimes we feel shamein response to our own sin if
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it's not confessed.
Other times, though, shamepoints to lies we've believed or
wounds that we've been carrying, and we repent of sin.
Of course, sin done against usthat's caused us shame that's
not ours to repent of, no, no.
But we do want to bring shameinto God's light for him to heal
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and for us to kind of replacewith his perfect, beautiful
truth.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, so let's go ahead and walk through.
What does it look like?
Let's walk through the fullfive-step process.
That might be really helpfulfor those listening and for us
to move from shame to freedom.
Let's kind of take that?
what steps can we take?
That's kind of practical andspecific.
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I think this is a great placeto go.
So the first one is we need tobe sure that we are bringing
shame into the light, and that'sfrom Psalm 34, verse five.
We want to go to God like he isour very best friend, because
he is, we want to name it beforehim, talk to him about what
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happened or what's happening inyour heart, what you're feeling.
Talk to him about it and thenmaybe later you'll want to talk
to someone else who loves theLord and just be able to process
that.
But start with God.
Start with God, yeah,definitely, because he will give
you so much insight.
He will listen lovingly andwith compassion and mercy and
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looking at you as you speak in away that is total love.
He, you are radiant in hissight, think about that as you
go to him.
When you go to him, remember whoyou are.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
And then it can be super helpful to ask God this is
the second step is to ask himto reveal the root.
Psalm 139, verses 23 and 24.
And this is search me, oh God,and know my heart, because what
we want to know is is the shameI feel right now, lord, is it in
response to sin I've committed,in response to sin I've
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committed?
Is it in response to lies I'mbelieving?
Or is it in response to woundsthat have been made against me,
my own heart, my own body, maybeeven so, we want God to reveal
the root.
He knows it all.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
He can search our hearts and know us and show us
and he wants nothing more for usto be healed and free.
Think of it that way when you goto him God wants me to be
healed and free, okay, so thethird one is confess, renounce
or release, and that's from 1John, 1, 9.
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So, for example, if it issomething that we have messed up
on, and we mess up all the time, then we want to confess it.
That's where confession comesin.
Just put it all, bring it allinto the light, um, where
healing can happen.
And then, if it's about liesthat we're believing that are
not true, we want to renouncethose.
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We want to let go of those liesand replace them with God's
truth.
Or if we are experiencing shamebecause of something that
someone has done to us, we wantto go through that process with
the Lord of releasing that tohim and asking for his wisdom
and strength Forgiveness mightbe involved, all kinds of things
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and his healing.
Yeah, yeah, we want to beginwith talking with him about all
of this so that he can bringhealing.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
The fourth step in this process of moving from
shame to complete freedom is toreplace the shame, especially if
we're believing lies.
We want to replace the shamewith truth.
Jesus says the truth will setyou free, and so this is where I
like to use one of a bazillionmind renewal tools that we have,
because they're rooted inscripture.
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They're rooted in truth, puretruth, so I can really
experience the changing of mybeliefs, the changing of how I'm
feeling in this moment.
If I'm bogged down by shame, Ican speak truth over myself,
like the psalmist does in Psalm42 and 43.
And I will see a shift.
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It's a beautiful place to gowith the Lord, and if you're not
sure what is true, god ask him.
Just like that, and he will layon your heart.
If you are in Christ, you havehis Holy Spirit in you, and it
also says in first Corinthiansthat you have the mind of Christ
.
So you can think God's thoughtseven on the fly, even if you
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haven't memorized scripture,even if you aren't sure what the
Bible says, and you're a brandnew Christian.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
This comes up, so just ask him what is the truth.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I should replace this shame with.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yes.
And then number five praise Godfor the exchange.
So here comes the praise,isaiah 61, three joy for shame,
beauty for ashes.
Praise God for what he does allthe time with us.
Praise God for the exchange ofshame for freedom and healing.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yes, okay.
So here's an idea that ifyou're somebody who kind of
likes to do charts or journaling, you might want to try this
Make a page with three columnson it, and in one column, on the
far left, what I feel shameabout is the kind of column
header, and then the middlecolumn says what God says about
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it, and then the third column,on the far right, says my
response of faith.
This can be a terrific way ofkind of laying it out there and
bringing it to the Lord.
So I'm going to say that again,three columns far left says
what I feel shame about as thecolumn header, the middle column
is what God says about it andthe one on the right is my
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response of faith.
Oh, I think that sounds like awonderful idea.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It does.
I love that, I love that.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
To just kind of keep current with the Lord about it
all.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Okay, so let's just take a little pause here.
Maybe you're listening andyou're actually feeling the
weight of shame in your own lifethinking about what you're
going through as we've beentalking Right now.
Take one thing that you feelshame about.
Just take one thing, picture itin your hands and name it.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
We're going to give you a moment to just think about
that, and then I'm going tolead us in a prayer.
What is one thing you feelshame about?
And Lord bless you If you don'thave anything that comes to
mind.
That's awesome.
Ask him, Lord, is theresomething that I am not
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addressing that causes shame,even in a subtle way, in my life
?
All right, so, lord, we bringthis shame to you.
We confess what needsconfessing.
You might want to do that now,quietly, listener.
We reject lies that say we areworthless or beyond your grace.
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Beyond your grace, we releasewounds into your hands.
Now that we've released thosethings, we receive your truth.
We are forgiven, we are free,we are loved and we are covered
by the righteousness of Christ.
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Yes, thank you, lord, god.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Amen, amen.
Okay, we have a couplequestions that you might want to
write down to think about.
Reflect on journal discuss.
What truth about God do I needto speak over my shame today?
And that could just be onetruth or two or three.
What truth about God do I needto speak over my shame today?
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That's the first one.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Oh, I have an answer.
Heidi has her hand up.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Oh the.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Thing that popped into my head when Christina said
that is God.
You are bigger than my shame,and he really is.
He really is.
He eclipses any shame in mylife.
Now if I could live as thoughthat's true, because it is.
How might that impact me?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Wow, wow, beautiful.
The second one is whichscripture will I memorize when
shame tries to return?
So and it might even be a partof a scripture, it might be a
truth from a scripture.
Which scripture do you want tokind of hang on to, so that when
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shame pops up, you can saythose words of truth out loud
from God's word?
And then how can I replace oldlies with God's truth this week?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Great question.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, those are good questions.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Well, friends, shame does not get the final word no,
it doesn't no way no way.
Jesus bore our shame.
He scorned the shame and herose above the shame, and he's
bigger than any shame, and socan we do so through his power,
his truth, his joy, identifyingwith him and his death and
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resurrection.
We can scorn the shame as well,and I just love that truth.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah.
So I mean, when you feel likeyou are living in shame, when
you feel like shame is takingyou over, overwhelming, you
remember, you have a choice inthis.
There are some very practicalsteps that you can take with the
Lord to find healing andfreedom.
You don't have to stay there,you don't have to live there,
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Not at all.
Fix your eyes on Christ, speaktruth to your soul and praise
him for the great exchange joyfor shame, beauty for ashes,
freedom for captivity.
Amen, amen, amen, amen, amen,amen, amen, amen.
I love that truth.
So we are so, so glad thatyou've been here with us today,
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and we certainly hope that youwill join us for our next
episode of Revelation Within Onthe go, on the Go.
We will see you next time.
Bye for now.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Bye.
Hi and welcome to our podcast, revelation Within On
the Go.
I'm Heidi Biles-Mapperson, oneof your hosts and the owner and
lead coach of theRevelationWithinorg ministry.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Right on, and I'm Christina Motley, your other
host, also a Revelation Withincoach and Heidi's partner in all
things Revelation Within, andwe are so happy to invite you to
join us for this episode ofRevelation Within on the go.
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Yay, we have so much fun withthat every single week.
I don't get it.
It's like small pleasures orsomething.
I look forward to it.
It's like this great release.
I don't know.
I love it.
Yeah, it's good stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah Well, we're so glad you're here Today.
We're going to dive intosomething that's powerful but
tender.
Really, our first session withour brand new class.
Moving from shame to Shalom uh,seeing yourself with God's eyes
.
Uh, met this week, and so it'sbeen on my mind as I've been
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doing the homework for the class, cause I do like to go through
it as though I'm a participant.
Um, even though I wrote it,yeah.
Um and, and so shame has reallykind of been on my mind.
I've been noticing it croppingup, popping up, even creeping up
.
So today we're going to talkabout moving from shame to a
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sense of freedom in Christ notjust a sense, but really living
it, and I'm still in processhere.
For sure we all are, I am forsure.
I mean, I think there are timesin my life when I live in
greater freedom from shame thanothers.
But I've also noticed that itseems to be connected closely
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with things that I'm confidentabout or not confident about
feeling good about or notfeeling good about.
And really Jesus has promised usfreedom from shame, that is,
without regard for circumstancesand situations, he wants us to
live in the freedom from shamethat he purchased.
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So we're going to dive intoHebrews 12 too a little bit.
It says there and Christinawill read the whole passage here
in a minute that Jesus actuallyendured the cross, scorning the
shame, and we want to kind offigure out.
What does that even mean?
How does it apply to us if itdoes, and, most importantly, how
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do we live this out practicallyso that shame doesn't get to
define us at all?
I'm excited about going heretoday.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, me too.
Me too, it does go deeper.
Many of us don't like to talkabout this, right, right.
But shame is not from God.
I have to say that to myselfoften because I used to believe
that maybe it really was.
You know that I need to sit inshame for a while so that I can
change, and that is not at allGod's design.
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Not at all, so it helps me tosay wait a minute, stop
everything.
Shame is the enemy's tool.
It is not from God, and so wedo.
We want to get to a place, asmuch as possible, where we are
living in freedom from shame.
And I know, for me, sometimesit crops up when a situation
changes and I feel inadequate.
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I feel like, oh my gosh, Ican't do this, or you know,
there's all different, differenttimes that it crops up even
when we think we've dealt withit.
So I'm really glad that we'retalking about this today.
It's going to be great.
God's going to show us histruth and his thoughts and we
are going to get started with abiblical foundation, which is
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the best place to start.
So Hebrews 12, 2 says lookingto Jesus, the founder and
perfecter of our faith, who, forthe joy that was set before him
, endured the cross, despisingthe shame, despising the shame,
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and is seated at the right handof the throne of God.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Well, and it's interesting when you start
pulling this apart.
I kind of dug into it a littlebit today.
In the original Greek, thisword despising means to look
down on, to treat as of noaccount and to despise, so I
find that fascinating.
It's not that Jesus didn't feelany shame.
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Crucifixion at the timeespecially, I mean it was the
most humiliating, shame-filleddeath imaginable.
But Jesus viewed it as a smallissue compared to the joy that
was set before him, which is us,our salvation, his victory, his
reunion with the Father andbringing us all in to his
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kingdom.
That's, I mean, I think that'sjust amazing For the joy set
before him.
He scorned the shame and went tothe cross.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah.
So when we really look at this,jesus reframed shame, he saw it
through a lens of eternity, notour time here on earth, and
that's our invitation to.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It's.
It's helpful At least it hasbeen for me over the years to
kind of look at how does shameland in my life.
You know where does it comefrom, and really sometimes shame
comes, of course, from our ownfailures.
I bet you, you, you could eventhink of something as you're
listening.
You can think of something thatyou did or didn't do as well as
you wanted to do.
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That kind of caused shame tocrop up.
Sometimes shame comes to usfrom things done to us, and that
is definitely a case for me.
In fact, I think that I was insome ways wired for shame by my
parents because of some of thethings they did and whatnot, and
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then sometimes shame comesthrough lies we've believed for
years and I think this is justso helpful.
Psalm 42 and 43, they repeat aquestion three different times
why, my soul, are you downcast?
Why are you so disturbed withinme?
Put your hope in God.
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I love that.
I'll let you talk about that?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, no, I love it too.
I love that the psalmist talksto his own soul.
It's such a great example ofmind renewal, isn't it?
It's like tell yourself thetruth.
Tell myself the truth.
What is the truth from God'sperspective?
Say it out loud, you know.
Say it again.
Say it again.
What is the truth?
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And here the psalmist is sayinghey, soul, don't stay bowed
down under this weight.
There's hope in God.
You don't have to stay in thisplace.
Talk to your own soul.
I mean, it might sound a littlecrazy, but it's absolutely not.
It's powerful.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And that's mind renewal renewing our minds with
God's own thoughts, choosing ourthoughts rather than letting
those lies and runaway thoughtsjust take us Right exactly it's
a beautiful thing, it's God'sdesign and in this example for
us in the Psalms, it gives us amodel we want to name our
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discouragement honestly, for meit helps so much when I
recognize huh, this is shame.
I think what I'm feeling isshame.
I recognize it and we're goingto talk more about that in a few
minutes.
But then, speaking the truthback to ourselves, what are
God's thoughts about what I'mfeeling?
Shame, in response to you know,that is renewing my mind.
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And when I think God's thoughtsabout shame, for instance, or
whatever it is that caused me tofeel shame, the more I think
God's thoughts, the more I amlikely to believe what he says
and act on what he says.
And shame just can't coexistwith God's truth, just can't
Right right.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well, and I think part of the difficulty with this
is we don't stop long enough toidentify what's going on.
Right, I think that's a big one.
It's like why don't I just stopit?
What's going on with me?
Why do I feel so bad online tosurf the web or buy things I
can't?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
afford.
I mean truly.
It's to distract me fromfeeling this thing.
Oftentimes it's shame I'mfeeling and I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah.
So so much of this really is aninvitation from God.
It's like come, come and talkto me about this.
Let's reframe this.
Let's look at it for what it is.
So here's a truth list fromPsalm 42 and 43 to help when
shame or discouragement weighsheavy.
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So this is great.
We love truth lists atRevelation.
Within A truth list is simplyit can be short, it can be long,
it can be one truth to help usto be grounded.
To help us to be grounded inGod's truth and in his
perspective, rather than theworld's or the enemy's or our
own.
And so this is a beautiful listand it has scripture with each
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one.
The first one is from Psalm 42,5.
God is my hope, plain andsimple.
God is my hope, plain andsimple god is my hope.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Well, and I love this truth list because it's not
just a truth list, it's alsolike a god list, because every
one of these starts with god andmost of them start with.
God is so the second one is Godis my savior and my God, and
that is from Psalm 42, versefive and 11.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
The third one is God's presence is my deepest
longing.
Wow, that's from Psalm 42,verse one.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Number four God's love is constant, even in the
night.
Psalm 42, verse 8.
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Number five God is my stronghold and defender.
From Psalm 43, verse 2.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
The next one is God's light and truth guide me.
Psalm 43, verse 3.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
And then the last one we have here, but there could
be um hundreds a hundred more ahundred more at least God is my
joy and delight, and that's fromPsalm 43, four.
I mean imagine like, forexample, getting ready for a
really stressful meeting at workor something like that, taking
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this truth list with you andreading it before you go,
reading it in the bathroom,reading it before that meeting
begins, reading it after you'retelling your soul what is true
from a perspective of eternity.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
It changes everything it really does.
I'm thinking of some thingsthat I have struggled and I've
noticed in the last few daysthat my response is shame to
what I'm thinking.
And if I were to refute thosethoughts with a list like this,
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I mean, it would make a hugedifference right in the moment.
It would make a huge difference.
Of course, we can also usethese kinds of lists in our
quiet times, when we get up inthe morning, in the middle of
the day, anytime really.
You don't have to be in theshower right.
You don't have to be in themidst of a shame session in
order to pull this out.
You can proactively,preemptively, before shame
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starts calling, have thesethoughts kind of going through
your head, and so you want tospeak these truths out loud.
You want you could even journalabout them, turn them into a
praise fest.
You know, god, you are my hope,god, you are my savior, my God,
et cetera.
I just love doing that and whatI found is, when I praise him,
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and what I found is when.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Praise him when you are anxious.
Praise him when you're confused.
Praise him when you'reoverwhelmed.
Praise him when you're, youknow, soaked in sorrow.
Praise him.
The praising turns our heartstoward him in a way that nothing
else really can.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
So true.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And it's mind renewal and it's gratitude.
It's like all the best thingswrapped into one and, of course,
all over the word.
That's what God tells us to doPraise me, thank me and praise
me in all circumstances.
So we want to do that.
There's something very, veryspecial and unique about
praising God very, very specialand unique about praising God?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, definitely I think of.
Was it Barnabas and Peter whowere in jail and in shackles
after something, and then theystarted singing hymns.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And wow, can you just imagine.
And how?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
the other prisoners were hearing this going on
probably at first were like shutup, it's time to sleep or
something like that, but then Imean it seems as though it had a
great effect.
So I just I love that If I canfollow their example and praise
in the middle of a disappointingsituation or when I'm feeling
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shame about something.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I know it's going to change a lot.
Yes, it does.
And I know, for me, when I'mgetting into kind of a not a
downward spiral, but just I knowthat I'm looking at life kind
of in a downhearted way, I canask myself when was the last
time you praised God?
It's like, oh, I forgot youknow I've been too busy.
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Well, no wonder, and it takesabout two seconds to do it.
You know it can be so, so quickand it's like okay, now I have
my perspective back where itneeds to be.
So here's another one, straightfrom Hebrews 12,.
Two for scorning the shameNumber one Jesus endured the
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cross for me.
That was for me, that was foryou, that was for you, heidi,
that was for all of uspersonally, as if we were the
only person on the whole planet.
Jesus endured the cross for me.
That is a powerful truth.
And then number two shamedoesn't get the final word.
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Shame doesn't get the finalword.
No, God gets the final word,always.
His truth and the way he seesme.
That's what gets the final word.
And then number three goesalong with that one.
My identity is not defined bymy failures.
That's not my identity.
I am a girl of God, I am adaughter of the King.
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That is my identity.
My identity is not defined bywhat I do or don't do.
And then number four joyoutweighs shame every time, and
that's the joy of the Lord thatwe're talking about.
That's not just fleetinghappiness when we go to a
counter for comfort.
That's the joy of the Lord thatwe're talking about.
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That's not just fleetinghappiness when we go to a
counterfeit comfort.
That's the joy of the Lord.
What's that verse where ittalks about the fullness of joy
in God's presence?
I love that verse.
Joy outweighs shame every time.
And then number five shame istemporary.
Glory is eternal.
We want so much, as much aspossible, for our, our
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perspective to be eternal, ashard as that is.
But when we look to God, welook to who he is and what he
does, we can see eternity andshame goes away.
And number six I can fix my eyeson Jesus away.
And number six I can fix myeyes on Jesus, not my past.
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And that could be your pastfive minutes ago, it could be an
hour, days, weeks could beyears.
You can fix your eyes on Christ, not your past, and that's
powerful.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And I just have to insert here we're not talking
about spiritual bypass ordisregarding the feelings that
we have and pretending theydon't matter Really.
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For me, what makes thedifference is not against the
backdrop of the love of Godfound in Christ, and that's the
cross, and so I want to put itin its proper perspective.
Yes, I'm feeling downcast.
Yes, it's true, I'm feelingshame, but what is also true is
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all of these things we've beentalking about in these truth
lists and I think I'm going toturn that last one into a prayer
right now, because that is.
I mean for me.
This just lifts my heart somuch so this is a prayer for
scorning shame.
Oh Jesus, you carried the fullweight of shame, public scorn,
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abandonment, the curse of sin,and you treated it as small
because you knew joy was coming.
There was a bigger truth yetahead, and today I want to fix
my eyes on you, not my mistakes,not my fears.
Teach me to scorn shame the wayyou did, to see it as temporary
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, really, compared to theeternal joy of walking with you
all the days of my life.
Thank you, lord, god, amen,amen, beautiful, beautiful
prayer.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
So much hope there.
Amen, Beautiful beautifulprayer.
So much hope there.
Okay, so let's get practical.
Here are 10 passages to help usscorn shame in daily life.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Get a pen and pencil ready?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, if you happen to have a pen or pencil, or you
can put it in the notes sectionof your phone or you can listen
again later.
These are just really reallygreat, powerful grounding verses
to help us when we'restruggling with shame.
The first one is Romans 8.1.
There is no condemnation inChrist.
Yay, one of my very favoritetruths.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I love it.
Romans 10.11.
Whoever trusts in him willnever be put to shame.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yay, yay, isaiah 54.4 .
Do not fear disgrace, you willnot be humiliated.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I like that.
Yeah, psalm 34, verse 5.
Those who look to him areradiant.
Yay, I want me some radiant.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Absolutely, Absolutely.
That's how he sees us.
I love it.
Um.
From first John, one verse nineconfess and be cleansed.
Absolutely Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Micah, chapter seven, verses eight and nine Though I
fall, I will rise.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Beautiful.
2 Corinthians 5, 17.
I am a new creation in Christ.
A new creation in Christ, Ilove it.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Philippians 3, verse 13 and 14.
Forget forgetting what's behind.
I press on.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Okay, two more.
First Peter, chapter two, versesix trust in him, not shame.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Colossians 2, verses 13 and 14, sin nailed to the
cross.
That's what we see in thatscripture.
I love it.
Hmm, nailed to the cross.
That's what we see in thatscripture.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I love it.
So someone listening might askdo I need to repent from feeling
shame?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
That's such an interesting question too, and we
were asked that on Monday byone of the participants in our
Zoom from shame to shalom class.
And here's the thing and Ithink this is really, you know,
everybody needs to take thisquestion to God about repenting
of anything.
Again, repentance is aninvitation to be refreshed by
God, not to be condemned by God,not to be punished.
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So think of it that way.
But here's the thing Shameitself is not sin.
It helps to look at it morelike a signal.
Sometimes it points us to sinthat might need confession,
because oftentimes we feel shamein response to our own sin if
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it's not confessed.
Other times, though, shamepoints to lies we've believed or
wounds that we've been carrying, and we repent of sin.
Of course, sin done against usthat's caused us shame that's
not ours to repent of, no, no.
But we do want to bring shameinto God's light for him to heal
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and for us to kind of replacewith his perfect, beautiful
truth.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, so let's go ahead and walk through.
What does it look like?
Let's walk through the fullfive-step process.
That might be really helpfulfor those listening and for us
to move from shame to freedom.
Let's kind of take that?
what steps can we take?
That's kind of practical andspecific.
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I think this is a great placeto go.
So the first one is we need tobe sure that we are bringing
shame into the light, and that'sfrom Psalm 34, verse five.
We want to go to God like he isour very best friend, because
he is, we want to name it beforehim, talk to him about what
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happened or what's happening inyour heart, what you're feeling.
Talk to him about it and thenmaybe later you'll want to talk
to someone else who loves theLord and just be able to process
that.
But start with God.
Start with God, yeah,definitely, because he will give
you so much insight.
He will listen lovingly andwith compassion and mercy and
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looking at you as you speak in away that is total love.
He, you are radiant in hissight, think about that as you
go to him.
When you go to him, remember whoyou are.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
And then it can be super helpful to ask God this is
the second step is to ask himto reveal the root.
Psalm 139, verses 23 and 24.
And this is search me, oh God,and know my heart, because what
we want to know is is the shameI feel right now, lord, is it in
response to sin I've committed,in response to sin I've
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committed?
Is it in response to lies I'mbelieving?
Or is it in response to woundsthat have been made against me,
my own heart, my own body, maybeeven so, we want God to reveal
the root.
He knows it all.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
He can search our hearts and know us and show us
and he wants nothing more for usto be healed and free.
Think of it that way when you goto him God wants me to be
healed and free, okay, so thethird one is confess, renounce
or release, and that's from 1John, 1, 9.
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So, for example, if it issomething that we have messed up
on, and we mess up all the time, then we want to confess it.
That's where confession comesin.
Just put it all, bring it allinto the light, um, where
healing can happen.
And then, if it's about liesthat we're believing that are
not true, we want to renouncethose.
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We want to let go of those liesand replace them with God's
truth.
Or if we are experiencing shamebecause of something that
someone has done to us, we wantto go through that process with
the Lord of releasing that tohim and asking for his wisdom
and strength Forgiveness mightbe involved, all kinds of things
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and his healing.
Yeah, yeah, we want to beginwith talking with him about all
of this so that he can bringhealing.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
The fourth step in this process of moving from
shame to complete freedom is toreplace the shame, especially if
we're believing lies.
We want to replace the shamewith truth.
Jesus says the truth will setyou free, and so this is where I
like to use one of a bazillionmind renewal tools that we have,
because they're rooted inscripture.
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They're rooted in truth, puretruth, so I can really
experience the changing of mybeliefs, the changing of how I'm
feeling in this moment.
If I'm bogged down by shame, Ican speak truth over myself,
like the psalmist does in Psalm42 and 43.
And I will see a shift.
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It's a beautiful place to gowith the Lord, and if you're not
sure what is true, god ask him.
Just like that, and he will layon your heart.
If you are in Christ, you havehis Holy Spirit in you, and it
also says in first Corinthiansthat you have the mind of Christ
.
So you can think God's thoughtseven on the fly, even if you
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haven't memorized scripture,even if you aren't sure what the
Bible says, and you're a brandnew Christian.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
This comes up, so just ask him what is the truth.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I should replace this shame with.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yes.
And then number five praise Godfor the exchange.
So here comes the praise,isaiah 61, three joy for shame,
beauty for ashes.
Praise God for what he does allthe time with us.
Praise God for the exchange ofshame for freedom and healing.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yes, okay.
So here's an idea that ifyou're somebody who kind of
likes to do charts or journaling, you might want to try this
Make a page with three columnson it, and in one column, on the
far left, what I feel shameabout is the kind of column
header, and then the middlecolumn says what God says about
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it, and then the third column,on the far right, says my
response of faith.
This can be a terrific way ofkind of laying it out there and
bringing it to the Lord.
So I'm going to say that again,three columns far left says
what I feel shame about as thecolumn header, the middle column
is what God says about it andthe one on the right is my
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response of faith.
Oh, I think that sounds like awonderful idea.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It does.
I love that, I love that.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
To just kind of keep current with the Lord about it
all.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Okay, so let's just take a little pause here.
Maybe you're listening andyou're actually feeling the
weight of shame in your own lifethinking about what you're
going through as we've beentalking Right now.
Take one thing that you feelshame about.
Just take one thing, picture itin your hands and name it.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
We're going to give you a moment to just think about
that, and then I'm going tolead us in a prayer.
What is one thing you feelshame about?
And Lord bless you If you don'thave anything that comes to
mind.
That's awesome.
Ask him, Lord, is theresomething that I am not
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addressing that causes shame,even in a subtle way, in my life
?
All right, so, lord, we bringthis shame to you.
We confess what needsconfessing.
You might want to do that now,quietly, listener.
We reject lies that say we areworthless or beyond your grace.
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Beyond your grace, we releasewounds into your hands.
Now that we've released thosethings, we receive your truth.
We are forgiven, we are free,we are loved and we are covered
by the righteousness of Christ.
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Yes, thank you, lord, god.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Amen, amen.
Okay, we have a couplequestions that you might want to
write down to think about.
Reflect on journal discuss.
What truth about God do I needto speak over my shame today?
And that could just be onetruth or two or three.
What truth about God do I needto speak over my shame today?
(29:37):
That's the first one.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Oh, I have an answer.
Heidi has her hand up.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Oh the.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Thing that popped into my head when Christina said
that is God.
You are bigger than my shame,and he really is.
He really is.
He eclipses any shame in mylife.
Now if I could live as thoughthat's true, because it is.
How might that impact me?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Wow, wow, beautiful.
The second one is whichscripture will I memorize when
shame tries to return?
So and it might even be a partof a scripture, it might be a
truth from a scripture.
Which scripture do you want tokind of hang on to, so that when
(30:22):
shame pops up, you can saythose words of truth out loud
from God's word?
And then how can I replace oldlies with God's truth this week?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Great question.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, those are good questions.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Well, friends, shame does not get the final word no,
it doesn't no way no way.
Jesus bore our shame.
He scorned the shame and herose above the shame, and he's
bigger than any shame, and socan we do so through his power,
his truth, his joy, identifyingwith him and his death and
(31:05):
resurrection.
We can scorn the shame as well,and I just love that truth.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah.
So I mean, when you feel likeyou are living in shame, when
you feel like shame is takingyou over, overwhelming, you
remember, you have a choice inthis.
There are some very practicalsteps that you can take with the
Lord to find healing andfreedom.
You don't have to stay there,you don't have to live there,
(31:35):
Not at all.
Fix your eyes on Christ, speaktruth to your soul and praise
him for the great exchange joyfor shame, beauty for ashes,
freedom for captivity.
Amen, amen, amen, amen, amen,amen, amen, amen.
I love that truth.
So we are so, so glad thatyou've been here with us today,
(31:59):
and we certainly hope that youwill join us for our next
episode of Revelation Within Onthe go, on the Go.
We will see you next time.
Bye for now.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Bye.
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