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September 19, 2024 • 17 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, hither Detroit Wheels.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hello, this is Dan Fermilius calling in with Dan David.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
All right, Hello, Doug, David, how are you my friend?
And thank you guys for I'm doing well. I'm doing well,
but thank you guys for checking in. You know, this
is a story that I wanted to, uh to talk about.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm excited to have you on, Dan Ernelius, right, is
that correct?

Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right?

Speaker 3 (00:27):
And and David Wining's the second from the you know,
legendary Wining's family here in Detroit.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, I think you guys have I think you guys
have kind of made it, you know, but here. So, so,
my wife was on Facebook about a week or so ago,
and she told me about this project that you guys
were working on, and she said, uh, you know, Nurse Sue.
She said, Doug, you know this is something you should

(00:56):
look into. So, uh, it's an incredible project. Uh, there's
a lot of meaning and heartfeltness behind this.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
So Dan, I think I'll start with you.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
And why didn't you just you know, tell our audience
what this new project you and David have all about.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
The purpose of that it's a song called The Message,
and the purpose of the song is to raise awareness,
save lives, and change hearts. It's a it's got these
thought provoking lyrics that bring this message a hope to
those that seem to be caught in this terrible web
in all crisis. Uh. You know, the music and the

(01:36):
lyrics are hard rock and there and there there uh
there they grip your heart. I think if a person
was listening to the lyrics during uh, the play of
them that and they were getting to take this sentinel,
it might change their mind or at least make them think,
because part of the lyrics are the chorus is your

(01:58):
first time is your last time. There's no dance, the
first time is your last time, there's no second chance.
So I kind of got together with David and we
recorded the bassline in his home studio, and then I
got a guitar player from Nashville who's my nephew. He's

(02:20):
a psychologist for PPSD Counseling out of the Veterans Affair
Services in Nashville, and along with Pammy Heeney, who is
an addiction recovery service counselor since nineteen eighty one, she
helped provide some lyrics and some insight into this terrible

(02:42):
tragedy we're experiencing within the United States.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
But yeah, there's no question that fetanyl is a problem.
It's a huge problem in the United States. And it's
amazing that you guys were able to tackle this problem
through music. And we all know that, you know, music
does have a sense of healing and it brings a
sense of an awareness as well. And I have to

(03:07):
say Dan that those lyrics, and it's funny because I
wish you could see my notes. I circled those lyrics.
Your first time is the last time. I mean, those are.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Some powerful lyrics, that's correct.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
And so I got to throw this to David because
when I first heard about the song and you guys
sent it to me, I thought, Okay, this is going
to be, you know, a soft candlelight song, you know
about this tragedy, And when I flipped it on, it
was like.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Whoa wait a minute, this thing rocks.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
So I'm assuming David that you had a little something
to do with that.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah. No, Well, when Danny presented the song and it's
nakedness without the bassline, I you know, added my little
rock edge as far as bass lines go to it,
and it fit perfectly. I thought it said perfectly, and
I left that up to him whether to be raced
or keep it.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
We talk about three passes on the baseline and we're
all emailed it on every one of them, so it
wasn't difficult.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
That's just like he was saying, dog, that first time
is the last time that was, and the first dance
you there's no second chance. Those are Those lyrics are
so true to a situations when people do delve into
having pentanel in their system. It's like, uh, I think

(04:38):
they said it was smaller than a grain of fans
would have to be in you before you O D
or something like that. So it's a very lethal drugs component.
After reading the lyrics, I didn't know it was in
all those other items that were noticed to read that, Doug, Uh.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, you know here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Oh, when when you put lyrics to music, you know
you and especially in a song like this that has
a message, I think that you you hit the right
chord there because you know, you're talking to young people,
you're talking to older people, you're talking.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
To rockers and and.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
And it just seems to be more powerful with the
powerful music behind it. But there's no question that these
lyrics are you know, they are stark, and if you
actually read them and listen to them, you're gonna be
a little afraid about this drug. And it is amazing, guys.
I mean, like you know, heroin addicts, they can be revived,

(05:41):
you know, alcohol poisoning, you can be brought back with
this stuff. You are d a period nothing about it,
and it is amazing to me that this stuff can still,
you know, reach our young people. What was the what
was the reason behind this outside of just the fact

(06:03):
that we all know it's an epidemic, but was there
something personal in either one of your lives that that
sparked this.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I have experienced the death of two friends through opioid
what did you call it, a misuse or whatever. I
had a close work associate Socia and his wife both
passed away from this drug and it kind of sparked
in me this this passion to go after it a

(06:33):
little bit. And also Pam Heeney her testimony to me
about her life's experience in the addiction recovery and what
she's seen the sentinel take over you know, and the
other drugs like you know, heroin and so forth. They're
mild compared to this stuff. And so she just saw

(06:53):
so much tragedy within the city of Flint and Detroit
throughout the uaw and she just inspired me so much
when I when she approached me with it.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
So, David, where did you guys end up recording this at?

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Was it in your studio at home?

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Well? Danny started out at his studio and he has
a portable studio, and he brought it to my studio
in the Point and that's where I finished my line.
I think, Okay, think Danny, you did it at your home.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah. I have a home studio in bent in Michigan,
and I've been involved with the Detroit Music Awards for
about it seven or eight years and David and I
did a song called for Love of Friends about six
or seven years ago and it made it to the
final ballot of the Music Awards. And since that, I
was just inspired to get back with David because David
has that punch in his message, his family and it

(07:46):
means a lot to the Detroit area to have him
on here and talk about this.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, it was inspired, no question. Yeah, Yeah, great choice,
Danny any Doug.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Danny has also recorded with Miss Wednesday remember her from
way Yes, absolutely broken Hearts.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
We released the tune and did a duet. I went
out to Rhode Island actually and recorded in their mom's house.
So I have a bad habit of grabbing people.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
And you have a good habit of putting together songs
that are meaningful and spark, you know, provoking thought. Yeah, yeah,
thank you though, So did you write this Dan or
did you work together with David?

Speaker 1 (08:29):
How did the lyrics come about?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I wrote the song. The lyrics came to me in
kind of a patch form from Pam. He and I
put them together and in a pattern that would make sense.
I wrote all the music. I actually played most of
the music. The music, well, the music is the guitar
player Scott Familias, which is my nephew. Uh he was
a counselor for the Veterans appears in Nashville, and then

(08:55):
David on bass. My wife actually played piano, and my
brother did the artwork for the cup. So it's kind
of like a family you know.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
There, Yeah, a family project and yeah and certainly worth
talking about.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
And I'm glad we all got together to do that.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yet, now is this just a message or is there
you know, when you can you purchase this?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Is there a fund? I mean, where does this go
from here?

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I think is released on all online stores, iTunes, Amazon,
It's it's streaming on Pandora, It's available worldwide on all
these all the streaming venues.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
So is there an end to this?

Speaker 3 (09:36):
I mean, is there a fund that maybe some of
this money goes to or I mean, well, I think.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Right now Pam he Andy's got a group of people
that are going to listen to this streaming on a
floor to some other places around the country because she's connected.
So I think once they hear this streaming, you know,
your show and listen to this, let's see how far
it can go. And I'm willing to take it as
far as it can perform the song places. It's up
to the people that really and the heart they have

(10:04):
to bring awareness.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Well I hope, yeah, I hope some people do, and
certainly I hope they purchase it and and maybe you
know who knows down the road, maybe some of this money,
uh if it starts to Snowball could go towards be.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Happy to donate every bit of money that we'd raised
on the song through this this problem, I have no Yeah,
I'm not in it for the money whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
No, I know, because you're from Detroit and you're a musician,
and that's how it goes.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean, we're all like the money.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, we're all like that.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
What are you laughing about, David? I mean, dog just
nailed it well.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
I mean how many years did we do the fundraiser
for the Dick Wagner event and you know, on and
on and so forth, and none of us ever get
any money. We always do it for, you know, the cause,
the hope, the charity, the love.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, I would like.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
To say that, you know, Suthan, Michaelson, Michaelson and the
Wagner remember the Child. This really was at the root
of inspiration for me on this. I got back into music.
I did it years ago and I've been going strong
for the last seven years with song after songs. So
I Suthan, Michael Song and the Child, and that's where

(11:24):
I met David as well. Backstage I managed that show
and at.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
The time, yeah, that's right, I forget about that.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Of the guime I ran from Mike Barner and Susie
So that just really inspired this great depth of music
within me. And then you know, to get back into it,
and David and I connected right away after that show, saying,
really for David.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
And I, you know who would have loved to have
h participated in this song, and that would have been
the late Dick Wagner. I think this is something that
you know, I mean talk about out you know, all
the charity money that you know, his his image, his likeness,
his music has all raised for children, And when you

(12:08):
think about it, it's got to start there. I mean,
we've got to get the message out to the young people,
the kids, Uh, so that they realize that, you know,
when you're when you're involved in this and you're going
down that road, Uh, there's no coming back.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
So you know, it is a.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Take the chance.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, well I take the chance absolutely, And unfortunately there's
so many chances out there to take it that a
lot of people don't aren't even aware of the fact
that they're you know, they're going down for the last time.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
So uh, next door everybody, everybody's caught off guard.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, you guys have really brought to the forefront something
here in Detroit that you know, I mean, we you know,
all of us Detroit as we love our rock and roll,
we love our music, We love going out, but there's
also a side of this music scene here in the
Motor City.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
That means something to people.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
And you know, artists like Harry Quack and Bush and
a lot of the guys that have passed.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Away, he they would they they they had a message
in their music as well.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
And you know, all I can say is Dan and David,
you know you should be saluted and honored for something
like this, and maybe even possibly the Detroit Music Awards
could take a look at this for some sort of
you know, you know whatever humanitarian award, just for getting

(13:43):
the word out, you know, and for having the strength
to do it too, because a lot of people don't
want to put the time, effort or work into something.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
A lot of people understand the amount of work that
goes into a production.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, and then.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
You know, I mean, it's not like you guys are
going to get rich off this. It's something that you're doing,
you know, for the good of the people.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
So we love that.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
So Families Against Fetanol that's a website I see on
your bio sheet here, tell.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Us correct tell me about that.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
You can go there. The main thing they want to
do is try to get this drug listed as a
weapon of mass destruction because it kills like eighty thousand
people a year, more than the entire Vietnam War in
ten fifteen years. Right, this is one year, the kid
next door, the people down the street, husband and wife.
You know, it's just tragic. So this, this family against Fatanhl,

(14:41):
it's trying to bring to light to make it a
weapon of mass destructure so the government can act in
a stronger method to shut it down.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Boy, Dan, you've done your homework on this and you
can really tell. So congratulations and the same to you, David.
Where where can you get this again?

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Now?

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Where where can people buy?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
You can find this song under Danny Allen formilius F
E R N E L y U S on iTunes,
Amazon Music, anywhere your stream music live. You can pull
it down and put it in your library.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
So do you think you'll put a CD or a
small vinyl out or is it just going to be
a digital release?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
I can do that.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Wait, I'm not asking, I'm not I'm not like ordering
you know, you to do this.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
I understand, but.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
I think he's going I think he's going to do that.
He'll probably put on a CD.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Absolutely and probably give the.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
C D away just to make the away sure more broader.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, absolutely, that's a good idea.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
And have you guys planned anything together to perform live
at all yet?

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Well, if we get back to the way we used
to do d m A, that would be great to
open up that bring that to the live stage to
fill again.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
I love you know, I think they I think they
were talking at least about, you know, bringing it back,
no question about it.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
You know, it's something.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
That's yeah, I mean, we all miss it and it's
something that's important to the city. So uh, you know,
we don't want to lose that, that's for sure. But
well Dan for Neelius and David Wining's the second.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yeah, it's always great running into you and talking to you. Doug,
you know that.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Well, thanks for bringing the awareness of this of this
fentanyl problem not only to Detroit, but hopefully the message
gets out all over the country and and uh, you
guys find yourself with a bigger problem and that's how
to uh you know, get this continuously out there, so
uh opportunity.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I appreciate the time you guys, and thank you so
much and good luck with this project. I salute you
personally and we all thank you here Detroit Wheels.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Thanksfull you do, thank thank you.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Take care,
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