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Nate Jones, founder of Xlear, reveals how xylitol revolutionizes oral and nasal health by eliminating harmful bacteria and preventing pathogen adhesion to tissues. He shares compelling research about xylitol's effectiveness against respiratory infections, ear infections, and dental caries while explaining how it outperforms traditional treatments like fluoride.
• Xylitol nasal spray was developed originally to prevent ear infections in children
• Studies show xylitol prevents bacteria and viruses from adhering to tissue
• Xylitol nasal spray increases airway volume by 36% compared to saline
• Five-carbon sugars like xylitol were common in ancestral diets before refined sugar
• Fluoride only masks tooth decay while xylitol treats the bacterial infection
• Periodontal disease increased COVID hospitalization risk by 8x
• Regulatory agencies prevented sharing of research about xylitol during pandemic
• Grapefruit seed extract at 0.2% concentration showed remarkable antiviral properties
• Proper hygiene and sanitation drove most health improvements historically, not pharmaceuticals
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Sandy Kruse (00:02):
Hi everyone, it's me, sandy Kruse of Sandy K
Nutrition, health and LifestyleQueen.
For years now, I've beenbringing to you conversations
about wellness from incredibleguests from all over the world.
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with in-depth conversationsabout the thyroid, about
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Hi everyone, welcome to Sandy KNutrition, health and Lifestyle
Queen season five.
It's actually season five and ahalf.
I just like to start a newseason in September because to
me, september feels like a newyear.
It always does, and I know alot of the people who follow me
on Instagram feel the same way.
(01:52):
It's like if you've got youngerkids, it's time to go back to
school.
I know some kids go back inAugust, but you know, here in
Canada, kids go back inSeptember after Labor Day, and I
think it's the same in otherplaces too, and you know whether
you've got kids going touniversity or even if you don't
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have kids, september hitsdifferent.
I didn't really do much thissummer except work work with my
husband on his business and Ididn't record a lot either, so
I've got a lot of recording todo to be able to fill my funnel
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of amazing recordings for all ofyou who have been following me
for over five years.
I started this podcast inFebruary of 2020, just before
the pandemic hit and thisrecording is with Nate Jones of
Clear, spelled X-L-E-A-R.
(02:57):
I always thought it was X-Clear.
I know a lot of people probablydo that.
Anyway, I was using thisproduct during the pandemic and
you're going to hear about thecontroversy around this product.
You're also going to hear aboutsome uses of this product.
I do want to make sure that Ipreface this conversation by
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telling you that nothing I speakof is medical advice.
We do not make medical claimson this podcast.
All of this information isreally here just to support you
in your wellness and for you todecide if it makes sense for you
(03:41):
.
Definitely.
Follow me on Instagram.
I'm most active there.
Go to Sandy K Nutrition.
I'm also on Facebook.
I have a Facebook page.
I have a Facebook group, aprivate group.
Just look for me there ifyou're only on Facebook, but
you'll get different contenteverywhere.
(04:02):
I'm also on TikTok, sandy KNutrition.
I'm on threads.
Just look for Sandy K Nutrition.
I'm also going to see what Ican do about YouTube.
Youtube's really funny in thatthey don't always really show my
content.
I don't know why.
I guess maybe I'm not optimized.
I do everything myself.
(04:23):
My friends and I have been doingit pretty much all on my own
ever since the beginning, and Imight as well go back a little
bit and talk about my story,because this is it's like a new
year, right?
So I began this podcast in 2019, no 2020,.
(04:43):
I graduated from nutritioncollege in 2019.
So it was interesting.
I was speaking with anothernutritionist.
So what I don't like is this.
It's just that term has nolicensing around it, so it's
used so freely.
(05:03):
So you'll hear all sorts ofpeople calling themselves
nutritionists, even though theyjust did like a weekend long
course, or maybe they're apersonal trainer or something
like that.
But a true nutritionist hasletters after their name, like
mine is RHN, which stands forRegistered Holistic Nutritionist
(05:27):
, and it's a two-year collegediploma.
I haven't really been workingmuch with clients one-on-one,
just because I'm focusing on mypodcast and now I am also
working with my husband'sdistribution company.
I am also working with myhusband's distribution company
(05:48):
there will be some announcementscoming soon and it's a
crossover and it's a naturalsynergy that I work with my
husband to develop the healthand wellness leg of his
distribution company right, itjust kind of makes sense.
Company right, it just kind ofmakes sense.
So I am around.
I've been a little quiet allsummer long.
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I'm excited to bring thisconversation to you with Nate.
It's a very authentic, realconversation, which is something
I try to bring to you each andevery week.
I can't, obviously, make myguests be a certain way, but one
of the things that I'd say I'mpretty good at is to be able to
have authentic, realconversations and do my best to
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bring that out in all of myguests.
So with that, I'm going to askyou to share my content, engage
with it, like it.
So I have so much competitionout there and I don't even try
to compete because I don't putlet's say I don't put a lot of
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influencer money behind what Ido.
I hope that it catches on.
I feel like you know, the worldis full of this pay to play and
I don't personally like it in alot of ways, not saying that
there aren't people who areauthentic and doing great things
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who also pay to play, but a lotof us here are just trying to
put good out in the world anddon't have those kinds of funds.
We're not celebrities.
We don't have thousands andthousands of advertising dollars
, which is that's me.
I just hope and rely that wordof mouth will keep me alive in
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what I'm trying to do, which isreally trying to bring you real
conversations that are notmainstream, that you're not
going to hear on the news,you're not going to read it on
Google.
It's going to just be a realconversation that you can take
with you, not as medical advice,but you can go all right.
(08:02):
This might be something thatcould help me and this might be
something that resonates with me.
So that's my whole purpose.
My friends, I also write onSubstack.
I am an English literaturegraduate, so I do write.
I have released one book.
It's actually not a book, it'sa guide.
(08:23):
It's the Essential ThyroidGuide.
It is on Amazon and it is not aclinical book.
You know I try not to get hurtby some of the reviews and I'm
like you know I very clearly inthe description state it is not
clinical.
It's just to educate you onyour thyroid gland, what it does
(08:45):
, how can you optimize it, whatare the tests you want to ask
your doctor for?
What are the signs that maybesomething's wrong.
And in there I have patientnotes for you to write your
notes when you're having theseconversations with your doctor.
It was very clearly outlined onwhat this guide is for.
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So if that appeals to you andyou want to learn from somebody
who's had some serious thyroidtroubles, I had thyroid cancer
in 2011, had my thyroid removed.
Now I'm 55 years old.
I was 41 when I had it removed.
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Now I'm figuring out menopausewithout a thyroid gland, which
is also something that's notoften talked about, and I do
plan to do a solo episode onlyabout this, which, again, is not
medical advice.
It's just to talk to you guysabout, you know, a woman going
through menopause without athyroid gland, and there's a lot
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of you who might have the glandbut might have had an ablation
or something in that there'sbasically no function of your
gland left.
This also means you, anyway.
So I do have the EssentialThyroid Guide.
I do write on Substack, andthese are all explorative short
essays that I write in my owncreation, and a lot of it is for
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you to just take as breadcrumbsso that you can go.
Okay, that makes sense.
I want to research this further.
So go to sandycruisesubstackcomso
S-A-N-D-Y-K-R-U-S-Esubstackcomthe link will be there and
subscribe to my sub stack andalso make sure you're following
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my podcast.
Write me a nice review, fewkind words that goes a long,
long way and also be sure toshare this episode to anyone who
might benefit.
And now let's cut on through tothis amazing interview with Nate
Jones of Clear.
Hi everyone, welcome to Sandy KNutrition, health and Lifestyle
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Queen.
Today with me I have a specialguest.
His name is Nathan Jones and heis the founder of Clear, but
it's spelled X-L-E-A-R.
I always used to pronounce itX-Clear, so now we know how to
pronounce it.
It's pronounced Clear.
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And he is a global leader inxylitol-based health solutions.
For over two decades, nate haschampioned innovation in oral
and nasal health, fundingresearch published in leading
scientific journals and earningrecognition from industry
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leaders, like Better Nutritionand Vitamin Retailer Jones has
appeared as a health expert forCNBC, usa Today, newsweek and
more, and today this topic isgoing to be so good because we
are going to talk about thehealth benefits of xylitol.
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We're going to talk about,obviously, the microbiome and
nasal health and oral health andhow important that is to the
microbiome, but we're also goingto talk a little bit about
censorship of these naturalhealth products that are
researched and are studied toreally be beneficial for our
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health and especially forprevention, because that most of
you who know me know I'm likelisten, there's a lot that we
can do in this life to bepreventative with our wellness.
So with that, welcome Nate.
Thank you so much for comingtoday.
Nathan Jones (12:47):
Well, thank you for having me and I hope it's a
very interesting conversation.
Sandy Kruse (12:52):
I feel like it will be because we had a little chat
beforehand and I think we'vegot a lot of good stuff to bring
to everybody.
And, of course, I always liketo begin with.
You know, how did you get intothis?
How did this all begin for you?
Nathan Jones (13:07):
I got into it because my father is a physician
and he is the one who startedusing a xylitol nasal spray.
A lot of people are veryfamiliar with saline nasal spray
, saline irrigation.
He was the first one thatreally added a xylitol to it to
help prevent these kids in hispractice from having ear
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infections.
And where that came from isprior to 1998, they've been
looking at xylitol and how itprevents tooth decay since the
late 1960s.
They've known for 50 plus yearsnow that it helps reduce plaque
, that it helps actually get ridof the strep mutans, bacterial
infection that causes toothdecay.
It works differently thanfluoride or these other
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remineralizing agents becausethose simply mask the problem.
They make your enamel moreresistant but they don't
actually address the bacterialinfection.
And that's something thatxylitol or any other non-hexose
polyol, any non-hexose sugarmolecule, will do.
And the xylitol has the mostresearch behind it.
But in these studies one of thethings that they actually
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started noticing was the kidswho use the xylitol gum.
Not only were they not gettingtooth decay, they were also
getting 40% fewer respiratoryinfections, ear infections,
stuff like that.
And prior to 1996, 1998timeframe the dental journals
were publishing that.
But you know the dental and themedical were separate.
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You know they were separateplaces and you wouldn't find
people going in and researchinga medical topic and being able
to pull up the dental journalsin that.
And when PubMed came online,that was the first time that all
of these were collated andsearchable on the same database.
And my dad being a physician,he went in and he started
querying preventing earinfections in babies, because he
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had a bunch of kids withrecurrent otitis media in his
practice.
And what kept coming up werethese dental research studies.
And then in 1998, there was apaper that was published in the
Journal of AntimicrobialChemotherapy where they showed
that what's happening is thexylitol is blocking the strep
pneumo, the H flu, the MCATthese common bacterial pathogens
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from adhering to the tissue.
And if you block that adhesionthen obviously you don't get
sick, because the bacteria orthe virus has to adhere to the
tissue.
Then it penetrates into thecell and that's where you have
an infection.
And so he came up with the ideaof using it in nasal spray
because he had children thatwere too young to chew gum, that
were having ear infections.
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And you know, ear infectionsstart in the nose.
They really aren't, they don'tstart in the ear, they start in
the nose, they go up through theeustachian tube into the ears.
So he started using it in anasal spray and these kids
stopped getting sick and he hadsuch good results with it that
he started using it on olderchildren and children that have
a lot of respiratory issues.
(16:04):
A lot of times they havemultiple issues and part of that
is because you have what iscommonly called a biofilm.
Like you have plaque on yourteeth, that's a biofilm, and if
you have chronic respiratoryissues, whatever type they are,
chances are pretty good you havea biofilm buildup in your upper
airway.
There was a great paper writtenby a doctor, ronald Hoffman.
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Any paper that I referenced,though I want to make sure that
you can go to our webpage and wehave a page where every study
that I referenced it'll be there, you can read the summary of it
and then there'll actually be alink where you can go to this
actual study in the medicalliterature and do that.
Again, our webpage is xlearcomand I encourage people to go
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there and read up on itthemselves.
Don't trust me a hundredpercent.
You know most people don't knowme from Adam, so go there and
read the studies, please.
But?
But he started using this onolder children who were having
constant respiratory allergiesand within a couple of weeks
they started being better.
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Also, they stopped needing tocome in for their allergy
treatments every week.
They were out playing, playingsports again.
Um, and so I was actuallyworking doing underwater welding
, underwater construction, outin the Gulf of Mexico on the oil
rigs, and I came up to visitingone time and, uh, you know, he
told me about it and I said,well, why don't we go and sell
it?
He goes I'm, you know, I'm 63.
(17:29):
I don't want to waste risk whenI risk my retirement.
And I said, well, ok, I'll doit.
And so in 2000, I started acompany.
And here we are today.
Sandy Kruse (17:40):
OK, you are blowing my mind about the whole ear
infection thing and I'm going totell you because my daughter
she's now almost 20, but she wasthat kid I actually have
pictures of her Nate with cottonballs in her ears because I was
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using herbs to try and help theear infection so she wouldn't
go on yet another course ofantibiotics.
I mean, this was going back,like I said, 20 years and I was
still like a holistic mama backthen.
But I didn't know about xylitol, like.
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So I don't know.
That's like 20 years ago, no, alittle less.
She would have been around twoyears old.
But then, interestingly enough,the allergies to peanuts came up
soon after that, like severeanaphylaxis.
But the whole point is is thatI was this desperate mom.
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I didn't know what to do.
She was a toddler and she keptgoing on all these courses of
antibiotics and then you knowthere were times that she would
have to be on puffers.
So how do you even use xylitol?
Like you said, there are kidstoo young to chew the gum, so
what do you do, like make themrinse with it, like?
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Well, how do you give themxylitol?
Nathan Jones (19:06):
when they're two years old, you use a nasal spray
and spray it up their nose.
Oh, you can do that for a child.
Yeah, so the nasal spray that mydad developed was originally
developed for babies.
It was developed for infantsthat were too young to chew gum.
Wow, I mean, my kids have beenusing it since literally the day
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they were born.
When kids are born, they'reusually given saline drops to
put in their nose to moisturizeit.
The saline and the xylitol thexylitol actually works better in
any instance.
I can't find a single instancewhere saline alone works better
than xylitol, because the waythat your, that your nose, that
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your mucus membrane, I guess,regulates how, how fluid your,
your snot is, your mucus is, byshuttling salt back and forth,
back and forth across themembrane in your nose.
If your nose is runny, then itwill transport salt into the
tissue and the water will followthe salt.
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If your nose is dry, it willshuttle salt out of the tissue
into the mucus.
Then the water will follow the.
Again, the water will alwaysfollow the salt.
The difference is xylitol doesnot get transported back and
forth across that barrier,across that cell membrane, and
so xylitol will constantly sitin the mucus and slowly pull
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moisture out of the tissuetoward it.
That's one of the reasons why itactually reduces inflammation
in the nasal cavity quitesignificantly.
Two examples of that is therewas a study again these are on
our webpage where they usedultrasound, they measured the
airway volume and then they usedour nasal sprayer and in three
minutes they measured the airwayagain and in those three
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minutes the airway volume hadimproved by 20%.
Whoa, it's a huge amount.
And if they use it on a regularbasis, once in the morning,
once in the evening, kind oflike what we suggest as a
hygiene tool, there is a studyout of Georgetown University
here in Washington DC where anENT comparing it to saline
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actually showed that itincreased airway volume 36%.
Sandy Kruse (21:20):
That's incredible.
So, okay, because we all know,listen my son back in the day.
I always talk about all thethings that I used to do Like I
tried to do things holistically,but this is way before I became
a holistic nutritionist and hehad his tonsils and adenoids
removed when he was only five.
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And one of the things that I'vealways taught him since I
became a nutritionist which wasnot that long ago I would always
tell him to do salt rinses,because that's what I learned
was a good way to prevent theviruses from basically going
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down to his chest and causing achest infection.
So your research is kind ofshowing the benefits from the
nasal cavity, the oral health,all the way down to the
respiratory health.
Nathan Jones (22:17):
Correct, oh that's .
And I want to point out thisisn't us paying and doing
research.
This is research that's beingdone independently at
universities, at other researchinstitutions.
I mean, most of the researchthat we're funding is actually
research that we as a companywill never use, but it's
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research looking at xylitol andhow it helps with cancer.
Sandy Kruse (22:49):
Okay, okay, okay.
Let me go back a little bitbecause there's so much to
unpack.
It goes from the xylitol canbenefit the microbiome in the
mouth, the nasal cavity, all ofthat area, all the way to the
chest, and now you're talkingabout cancer.
Nathan Jones (23:08):
Well, the stuff we're doing with cancer, let's
not dig into it.
There are a couple of papersout there that have been
published.
Okay, Again, this is notsomething that we sell products
for or we ever plan on sellingproducts, but there have been
studies showing that xylitolhelps to stop the progression of
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oral cancer.
There have been studies showingthat xylitol helps with lung
cancer, causing it toautophagocytize, which means eat
itself.
I mean, there's a couple ofreally good studies out there
and there's another one thatwill be published here shortly
from Northwestern, where theyactually took lab rats that were
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humanized and they had cancerand you know you'll have to read
the study, but it was veryinteresting.
But that should be outpublished pretty soon.
Sandy Kruse (24:00):
Okay, how does xylitol affect the microbiome?
I mean, you kind of touched onhow saline works and how it
helps to move salt, I guess, inand out of the tissue.
But how does xylitol work toaffect the microbiome?
Nathan Jones (24:19):
Well, so xylitol is a carbohydrate.
Okay.
Sandy Kruse (24:23):
Yeah, it's a sugar alcohol, right, it's a sugar
alcohol.
Nathan Jones (24:26):
But the difference is is, if you think about this
for a couple of minutes, if yougo back before we started
refining sugar, if you go backbefore we started refining sugar
, what do you think the numberone sugar carbohydrate that we
were eating was?
It was five and four carbonsugars, because the six carbon
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sugars that we're using that arerefining those only come out
during the harvest time, and sowe would have those when fruit
was being harvested, when corn,when grains were being harvested
.
That's when we would have thesix carbon sugars, but the rest
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of the time the number onesugars that we were eating were
five carbon sugars, and fivecarbon sugars are part of the.
If I'm trying to not go toodeep into biology class here,
but plant walls are made up ofxylem, and that xylem sounds a
lot like xylitol because that'sreally where it comes from.
So any plant wall that you knowthat's made up of xylem, which
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they all are.
Those are long carbon sugaralcohols that like xylitol,
that's where that comes from.
Sandy Kruse (25:36):
OK, you're blowing my mind here, by the way I I
hated biology, just so you knowso.
But so I'm trying to get intothat scientific mind because I
think this is important, becausea lot of people, like you, know
how a lot of the keto stuff isusing sugar alcohols.
And if you eat too much of it,it's going to upset your stomach
(25:58):
right, like you know.
If you're eating mounds of it,it could give you a little bit
of digestive upset.
Nathan Jones (26:06):
It does.
But if you continue using it ona regular basis, you're going
to.
You're going to switch your gutmicrobiome back to a healthier
microbiome, more like what ourmicrobiomes were three 400 years
ago.
Sandy Kruse (26:22):
Why is that Nate?
Well is it.
Nathan Jones (26:25):
That's what we were eating three 400 years ago,
before we started addingrefined six carbon sugars into
our diet.
Sandy Kruse (26:33):
Was basically the sugar.
Alcohols from plants is whatyou're saying Correct, but you
know you hear that too right.
You hear about people gettingdigestive upset now if they eat
too many plants.
Nathan Jones (26:48):
Correct.
That's fascinating.
What you have to do is you haveto let your gut microbiome
adjust.
I mean, if you start eating alot of plants and you start
getting digestive issues, keepeating it.
I mean, give your gutmicrobiome a couple of months.
You know you might have to putup with some uncomfortable
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moments, but continue doing thatand maybe do it more on a
gradual thing, because if youlet your gut microbiome adjust
away from the six carbon sugarsthat are American, are sad our
standard American diet is todayyou get to be a healthier
microbiome.
Sandy Kruse (27:27):
You know it's interesting that you say that
because I have made a concertedeffort.
You know I am a nutritionist.
I do try and eat whole realfoods.
Effort you know I am anutritionist, I do try and eat
whole real foods.
I don't believe in specificdiets, but I did notice like
when you add in a ton of plantsyou can feel the difference in
your gut and there is thisadjustment period for sure.
(27:47):
So, but you know, of coursewe're not talking about eating
mounds and mounds of sugaralcohols, because in something
like this, like the nasal spray,you shouldn't feel digestive
upset from using it.
Nathan Jones (28:06):
I don't know that we've ever had anybody from the
nasal spray complain, and I meanusually where it is is when
you're using it to cook, and alot of people that are diabetic
they're going to use xylitol orerythritol a lot of these sugar
alcohols, especially erythritolbecause there are zero calories.
(28:29):
Your body cannot metabolizeerythritol and so you get
something that's sweet and thathas no calories to it.
Sandy Kruse (28:40):
Yeah, I used to do the whole keto diet and
everything that I made you knowbaked with was using xylitol,
and I think I not xylitolerythritol, it was erythritol
that I used, not xylitolerythritol.
It was erythritol that I usedand I almost think I overused it
(29:03):
.
Is it possible?
To get too much xylitol orerythritol Like.
Is that possible to have toomuch?
Nathan Jones (29:06):
I'm sure there is.
But if your option is to havetoo much sugar, I think you're
going to be better off havingmore erythritol than you are
having sugar.
I think you're going to bebetter off having more
erythritol than you are havingsugar.
But what I actually use is Iactually use a blend of xylitol
and erythritol 60% erythritol,40% xylitol.
That's what we use in my housewhen we're cooking and we want
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to make something sweet.
It works just like sugar.
It has some calories to it, butnot nearly as many you get.
I mean, you're down to about Ican't remember what it was, we
figured it out once, but I thinkyou're down to about three
calories instead of 16 for atablespoon.
You get the sugar.
You don't get any of the gastroissues.
We haven't had any of those atthat blend.
Sandy Kruse (29:52):
Okay, so let's get into some of the actual xylitol
products.
So there's nasal spray.
You and I had an interestinglittle discussion about
toothpaste fluoride, because youguys also make a toothpaste
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that's xylitol.
Nathan Jones (30:14):
Correct, and we have mouthwash and gum and mint.
Again, the big body of sciencebehind the utilization of
xylitol is actually I mean, it'sactually in how it prevents
tooth decay and it does it bytreating the strep mutans
bacterial infection that is inyour mouth, as opposed to what
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our dental industry is tellingus is.
The solution is fluoride andfluoride and more fluoride, and
after you've had too muchfluoride, then use some more
fluoride.
But what the fluoride does?
The fluoride simply makes yourenamel stronger.
When your enamel demineralizes.
If you have fluoride and itremineralizes, it remineralizes
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from hydroxy apatite, which iswhat our enamel is made of, to
fluorapatite, and fluorapatite,nobody questions it's stronger
than what hydroxyapatite is.
So if that was the only optionyou had, that's actually not a
bad option.
It's a great option to usebecause it makes your enamel
stronger.
But the problem is is that weknow that there's so many other
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options that work better thanfluoride at remineralizing and
strengthening your teeth andthere's other options that work
better at actually treating thebacterial infection.
Sandy Kruse (31:29):
And then there's the fact that fluoride is not
really meant.
It's not beneficial if you'reswallowing it.
Well, that's true, Right Likeit's what I've read.
Nathan Jones (31:40):
I've read Don't tell a dentist that.
Sandy Kruse (31:44):
Because you know I've read some research Nate
about you know the intelligenceof our children being diminished
by swallowing too much fluoride.
So you know there's that it'sone thing for it to be for our
teeth but it's another thingwhen you're drinking it,
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swallowing it all of that andthat is true and and but.
Nathan Jones (32:09):
the thing is, is that the the whole fluoride
argument it?
It shouldn't be an argumentsimply because since fluoride
came out 75 years ago and theystarted putting in our water, we
have researchers have shown usit's not.
You know, this isn't debatable.
There's lots of other productsout there that remineralize your
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enamel better than fluoridedoes.
We actually, in our toothpastewe put a product called sodium
trimetaphosphate.
Studies show, going back to the70s, that it actually
remineralizes your enamel about36% stronger than what fluoride
does.
But yet the ADA and the FDA andthe CDC still only promote a
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fluoride only.
You know practice forpreventing tooth decay.
Again, fluoride does not treatthe strep mutans bacterial
infection.
But you can use xylitol, youcan use erythritol.
If you use it on a regularbasis, you get rid of the
bacterial infection, and you canalso.
A university I'm thinking itwas UCLA, but one of the
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California universities actuallycame up with a dental vaccine
and I don't know much more aboutit other than that it was drops
that you would put in yourmouth.
It was effective at actuallygetting rid of the strep mutans
bacteria and our government, ourhealth agencies, would not
allow that to come to market.
Sandy Kruse (33:34):
I don't know why agencies would not allow that to
come to market.
I don't know why.
Well, we can surmise right thatstrep mutans bacteria.
Why is that so bad for us?
Is that because you know howthey talk about your oral
microbiome and how it couldconnect to your heart like heart
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disease?
Is that one of the bacterias?
Do you know?
Nathan Jones (33:58):
Well, strep mutans , it's a mutant.
It's.
That's the whole definition.
It's strep mutant.
It's a mutant bacteria, okay,and it mutated after we started
having all kinds of access inour mouth.
Bacteria in our mouth had allkinds of access to all kinds of
sugar.
It mutated and it doesn'tmetabolize the six carbon sugars
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as fully as it should becauseit doesn't have to, and when it
doesn't metabolize it, itactually excretes.
You know, sugar bug poop iswhat we tell our kids, but it
actually excretes an acid andthat acid is what dissolves the
enamel of your teeth.
Okay, and we've known since1924 that tooth decay is a
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bacterial infection and today,in 2025, we are still not
treating it as a bacterialinfection.
Sandy Kruse (34:51):
Okay that's fascinating because, you know,
you hear of some kids who havecavity after cavity, after
cavity, and then they'll say ohwell, it's genetics like well,
it might be genetics of thebacteria in their mouth.
Nathan Jones (35:09):
It's not the genetics of the person.
Tooth decay does not come frombad genetics.
Most of the time it comes fromjust bad parenting.
Sandy Kruse (35:19):
Ooh.
Nathan Jones (35:20):
That's a bold statement, nate.
Well, but the problem?
But the problem is is that thedentists aren't telling the
parents the proper way to treattooth decay.
Okay, and so it's baddentesting dentures, dentures,
dentures.
Sandy Kruse (35:37):
There's a lot of that going on, Nate.
Nathan Jones (35:40):
But it's because the parents are listening to the
professionals.
But I mean, when you just stopand think about it logically,
the dentist sits there and saysuse more fluoride, more fluoride
.
You're not treating thebacterial infection.
So the parents that we need,parents that are much more
proactive in their children'shealth care and pushing and
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asking the dentist why aren'tyou talking to me about ways to
actually treat the bacterialinfection?
Sandy Kruse (36:12):
Yeah, you know what .
But that's one of the reasonswhy I do what I do, right, it's
to provide information that'snot necessarily the mainstream
narrative that the AmericanDental Association or the
Canadian Dental Association isregurgitating over and over and
over and over again.
And then we hear it from ourregular dentists and it's the
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same old, same old.
So that's why I do what I do.
It's to say, okay, I'm givingyou breadcrumbs, now you can go
follow them and research it foryourself.
Like you said, you have a lotof these independent studies.
But that's why I do what I do.
But a very important point thatI need to make is the way that I
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heard about your company, andthis would have been five years
ago.
I'm part of a community wherewe were trying to learn what can
we do to optimize our wellnessduring this pandemic, and so I'm
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gonna preface this just bysaying we're not giving any
medical advice or anything likethat.
We're just having aconversation here.
I think it's very important totalk in the in that way, because
we're not giving you expertadvice.
We're talking about somesituations that happened during
the pandemic and I don't listen.
I don't want to get in anytrouble for saying this, but I
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was doing my research back thenand I found your product through
my group of professionals inthis preventative health and I
traveled with it, nate.
I traveled with it and I wasspraying my nose with it because
everyone's like, okay, you gotto test before you go away for
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COVID, you got to test beforeyou come back.
And I'm like shit, I don't wantto leave my kids stranded at
home.
I have to be in quarantine fortwo weeks, for God's sakes.
Coming home from Vegas with myhusband, I brought your nasal
spray along with another sprayand I was using it.
So talk to me about the wholestuff around COVID, because from
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my understanding, there wassome lawsuits, there was all
kinds of things that happenedand you know, I would love to
hear your perspective on all ofthat.
Nathan Jones (38:38):
Well, that is true , all of what you just said.
And again, I would love to hearyour perspective on all of that
.
Well, that is true, all of whatyou just said.
And again, I'm not giving anymedical advice.
I don't sell any medicalproducts.
What we actually are givingadvice on is hygiene and better
practices and better ways topractice better hygiene.
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Hygiene, according to thedictionary, is acts of
cleanliness with a desiredimprovement in health outcome.
I think is what it is exactly.
I think that should be changedjust a little bit to where it's
acts of cleanliness andmoderating a microbiome, a
gateway microbiome, for acts ofimproved health or for a desired
improvement in health outcome,because most of the times that
we get sick, it enters throughour nose or our mouth.
(39:26):
Okay, and I'll give you twogreat examples, because you know
you can bring up the COVIDthing During COVID in early 2020
, there were two papers thatcame out, one out of Israel, one
out of Canada where theyactually showed and pointed out
that if you had periodontaldisease, which is inflammation
of the gums, and you caughtCOVID, you were eight times not
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8% eight times more likely to behospitalized and die from.
Okay, that's a big number to behospitalized and die from.
Okay, that's a big number.
And did you ever hear ourpublic health agencies come out
and say hey, people, whileyou're sitting at home munching
on the pizza that you orderedbecause we told you to stay
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there, brush your teeth a littlebit?
You didn't ever hear that.
The second thing is, when itcomes to nasal hygiene prior to
2020, reduce the viral load inthe nose to make it so it didn't
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spread to the lungs and to makesure that you didn't, you know,
breathe it out on other people,because you're washing all that
, those viruses, out of yournose and they're going down the
drain.
Um, and in early 2020, the, thenih, actually funded a study
that was done at vanderbiltuniversity in nashville,
tennessee, and in that study,they took 60 patients, all of
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them over the age of 65.
All of them had othercomorbidities, every single one
of them had symptoms, everysingle one of them tested
positive and every single one ofthem used salt water, and they
were better in under a week.
And you would think that thegovernment agencies, if they
truly were looking out for thebest interests of our
populations, they would havesaid hey, people, go down to the
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store, it's going to cost youabout 10 bucks but if you get
sick, start using an easelirrigation.
But they didn't.
And that's where hygiene comesinto it.
They were ignoring the hygienesolution.
And to go further on it when itcomes to adding other
ingredients like xylitol, therewas a study that came out of the
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university of tennessee inknoxville where they used they
were.
They were looking at howxylitol and iota carrageenan
blocked the ability ofSARS-CoV-2 to adhere to the
tissue.
Okay, and I mentioned earlierthat my dad made this whole
product because a study came outshowing how xylitol blocked
bacterial pathogens.
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We had never looked at it atblocking viruses and we should
have, but this study we could.
Actually, once you saw thatstudy, it was like, okay, if it
blocks the SARS-CoV-2 virus toan undetectable level, then
that's going to have a hugeimpact on reducing infection.
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The same way washing our hands,the same way using salt water.
We tried to share thatinformation with our government
and the our government, theFederal Trade Commission, they
actually sent warning letters tome and my company clear.
They sent them to Navaj, theysent them to Nelman, some of our
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competitors and said and toldus not to share the data from
these studies.
Share the data from thesestudies and the other companies
that I just mentioned.
Those companies, they said,okay, we won't, we'll be nice,
we're going to do what you tellus to do.
And they shut up about it.
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We continued to share thatinformation and the government
sued us.
Okay.
And they came back and they keptasking really bizarre questions
.
They came back and said youcan't use this study because it
wasn't done on human airwaytissue.
No, it was done on what is thepharmaceutical industry standard
, which is varro, kidney, monkeytissue.
But they said, well, that'sgood enough for the
pharmaceutical industry, but you, a hygiene product, you need to
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go out and do it on humanairway tissue.
So they're holding us to ahigher standard for something
that's not even a drug.
Um, they hold it to a higherstandard.
But.
But the good thing about it is,we went and did the study that
they asked.
We actually did the study onlooking at human airway tissue
and the interesting thing is,not only did we look at
SARS-CoV-2, but we looked at RSV, we looked at H1N1.
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We looked at H5N1, the bird flu, we looked at rhinoviruses, we
looked at a number of differentviruses and we looked at a
number of different sugarmolecules.
And the interesting thing isdifferent sugar molecules block
different viruses moreeffectively.
The only thing that we have notfound a sugar molecule that
will block it is actually therhinovirus, but all the other
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ones that I just mentioned weshowed that you could block it.
And the interesting thing is theFTC.
When we went and shared thatstudy with the FTC, the FTC said
well, you can say that itblocks rsv, you can say that it
blocks h1n1, you can say that itblocks h5n1, but you can't say
it about SARS-CoV-2.
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And at that point I just saidthis doesn't make any sense.
Just, you know.
And I and I told my attorneys,I said just kind of, let them
sue us because what they'resaying doesn't make any sense at
all.
And we're sitting here trying ingood faith to share the studies
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and actually discuss thestudies with these people at the
FTC.
But it was kind of likechit-chatting with children
because they made no attempt toeven understand what we were
talking about.
They said you do it the way wesay to do it or you don't do it
at all.
And so they sued us and wespent three and a half million
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dollars over four years fightingthem in court and about a month
and a half ago, they just theyreally, I mean, in my opinion, I
think that they knew that theywere going to lose and rather
than have a judgment againstthem, they just quit and said,
ok, we'll dismiss it withprejudice, which means that they
kind of admit that they'rewrong and they're walking away
from it.
Sandy Kruse (45:46):
Whoa, you know I have a lot of questions in my
mind, but I'm not sure we'regoing to go there.
I just don't understand why.
Nathan Jones (45:55):
Why?
What part of why?
Sandy Kruse (45:57):
Why were you allowed to speak about all those
other viruses except for theSARS-CoV-2 virus?
Nathan Jones (46:08):
Because it was never about the science, it was
about the power.
They had said we couldn't do it, didn't matter what kind of
studies we brought to them, theydidn't care.
They said we couldn't do itabout SARS-CoV-2.
One of the things that was verytelling is when we were doing
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the deposition, we asked theseattorneys how long have you been
with the FTC?
20 years, it was about theaverage, I think and we asked
them how many times in 20 yearshas the FTC sent a warning
letter to a company or an entity?
And after sending out thewarning letter, they received
enough studies to where you wereokay and you retracted the
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warning letter.
And let me just put it this way, it's never happened, right.
And so you either haveattorneys that are so brilliant
that they've been batting 1,000for a quarter of a century or
they're corrupt.
Those are the only two options.
Sandy Kruse (47:13):
Well, I think also, nate.
The fact is is that, just likeyou said with some of your
competitors, they just didn'tproceed further.
So a lot of people are notwilling to risk it and, to you
know, go to bat for theirproduct because of fear.
They're afraid to.
Nathan Jones (47:36):
Well, they should.
If they trust their product,they should go to.
Well, they should if they have.
Sandy Kruse (47:38):
if they trust their product, they should go to bat
for them we could go on there,but I do want to ask that
because I don't want to forget,is there has been some stuff
about xylitol being connected tocardiovascular events and that
kind of thing.
Are there any contraindicationsto using xylitol?
Nathan Jones (48:02):
No, and there's really only one doctor, one
group out of the ClevelandClinic, and it's the same doctor
, and every year he puts outanother one.
He puts out one on erythritoland then he puts out one on
xylitol, and it really is thesame thing.
But they're not even looking atrealistically that xylitol is
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what's causing this issue.
I mean, if you look at one ofthem, if I remember right, he
gave them the xylitol or theerythritol the night before and
then measured it in their bloodthe next morning.
Well, neither one of them staysthat long in there One of the
other ones.
And there's a paper that justcame out and I can forward it to
you after this you know, weshould have read it before where
they actually point out thatthe xylitol and the erythritol
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in these people is a marker okay, it's not the cause, it's a
marker that you have issues withyour heart Because you have a
marker.
If you take away the marker,that doesn't cause.
The marker isn't what's causingit.
Sandy Kruse (49:13):
You know one thing I always say Nate is for almost
every study that supports onething, you can find something to
negate it, right?
I mean, it's research andreally we're all bio-individual.
We have to see what works forus and our own physiology.
So you know, there's that and Ithink personally, I always
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believe in everything inmoderation.
So if I'm using a nasal spraydaily or that is xylitol, or I'm
using a mouthwash that isxylitol, I'm not gurgling, you
know, jugs of xylitol.
Nathan Jones (49:56):
Please no, you need no kidding.
You know jugs of xylitol?
Please no, you need no kid.
Now, once in the morning, onceat night, I mean, and what we
tell people to do with withxylitol with our products?
Um, you know, you brush yourteeth, once in the morning, once
at night.
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Hopefully you're using axylitol toothpaste, and the
reason why is most of thetoothpaste that you're going to
find on the market will havesorbitol in them, which is a six
carbon sugar alcohol that feedsthe strep mutans bacteria.
So if you're using a toothpasteor a mouthwash that has
sorbitol in it, you're actuallyfeeding the bacteria you're
trying to get rid of.
Sandy Kruse (50:34):
Right, and you were saying your toothpaste has both
the xylitol as well as what wasthat other ingredient?
That's really good for theenamel, that's better than
sodium tri-metaphosphate.
Nathan Jones (50:47):
Sodium sorry, sodium tri-metaphosphate.
Sandy Kruse (50:50):
Okay.
So that's really importantbecause it sounds to me like a
very comprehensive formula thatdeals with that bacteria right,
and then also helps with theenamel.
Now here's somethinginteresting.
Maybe this isn't going to makeany sense to you, but we're
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talking because I did read someresearch about the xylitol and
heart.
However, if the bacteria inyour mouth is let's say the poor
bacteria is overgrown in themouth, that in and of itself can
cause heart disease.
Nathan Jones (51:28):
Absolutely.
Sandy Kruse (51:29):
You see what I'm saying.
Nathan Jones (51:31):
The reason why is, if you have inflammation in
your gums, bacteria a good wayto describe inflammation, and I
describe this to doctors all thetime and a lot of doctors don't
really understand thesignificance of why it matters.
But think of it this way.
Think of your tissue.
Take a bunch of beach ballsokay, let's say 50 of them and
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if you fill them half full ofwater water you have a bunch of
cells that are very malleableand you could actually take
those and stack them up and makea make, a cell membrane.
Take the garden hose and squirtit and no water gets through
because they're all molding andfilling in the gaps.
Now.
Now inflame this tissue.
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Inflame it by filling them allfull.
So now they're all tight ballsthat are inflamed.
And how big are the gapsbetween each of those cells?
Spray that wall with a gardenhose and there's all kinds of
water getting through.
Yes, and so anytime you haveinflammation in the mouth or
anywhere else, what you're doingis you're opening up that
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membrane for bacteria andviruses and other pathogens
other things to go straight fromyour mouth straight into your
bloodstream.
Sandy Kruse (52:53):
Right, Totally makes sense.
And you know I actually did alittle bit of research before I
recorded with you on the factthat you use grape, you use
grapefruit seed extract in this.
What does that do?
Nathan Jones (53:12):
Well, we've been using it for 25 years, 23 years,
as a preservative.
Sandy Kruse (53:19):
Oh, interesting.
Nathan Jones (53:22):
But it turns out that in some of the studies that
we did, going back toSARS-CoV-2 again, in some of the
studies that we did the veryfirst studies that we as a
company did we just sent ournasal spray up and had it tested
to see if it killed the back,the virus, sorry to see if it
destroyed the virus and it did.
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And we originally thought thatthat was the xylitol doing it,
because the xylitol is thenumber one ingredient there and
until we broke it down to eachof the individual ingredients it
was actually the grapefruitseed extract at 0.2% was
annihilating the SARS-CoV-2virus as effectively as a 70%
solution of alcohol.
Sandy Kruse (54:06):
Holy smokes.
So that little formulationtogether in synchronicity is
what's really helping whenyou're taking it for
preventative measures.
Nathan Jones (54:20):
Correct.
Sandy Kruse (54:21):
And you know I also did some research because I
know that grapefruit itself can.
What is that enzyme?
The cytocrine P450 enzyme.
You know how?
That enzyme in a lot ofmedications.
It can prevent absorption ofcertain medications.
The research that I did showedthat there's not even close to
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enough that it would interferewith that.
Nathan Jones (54:46):
In 20, 23 years we've never had anybody call and
say hey, this has affected myheart medication.
Sandy Kruse (54:54):
Right, right, and you know, for me, I'm going to
look at every single ingredient.
I know most people don't, butthat's why we're here talking
right.
So, but okay, you know what Ithink this is really been an
incredible conversation.
Is there anything that I didn'ttouch on that you'd like to
touch on, Nate?
Nathan Jones (55:15):
Oh, I'm sure that as soon as I, you know, cut the
feed, it'll be.
Oh, we should have talked aboutthis.
Oh, we should have talked aboutthat.
We talked about it in oralhygiene, we talked about it in
nasal hygiene.
The two are very much connectedand the two are very much
drivers of our gut microbiome.
Our oral and nasal microbiomeare really what drives the
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health of our gut microbiome.
You know, if you want to reallyget off of pharmaceuticals, I
think the most effective way todo it is through better oral and
nasal hygiene.
I mean, if you go back to thelate 1800s, to the mid 1900s, we
had the largest increase inlongevity and quality of life
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ever recorded in history, andthe pharmaceutical industry and
the medical establishment theytry to take credit for that.
But if you go and look at it,what was truly driving that was
that we were having clean waterpipe to our houses and we were
having sewage taken away and wehad people going around teaching
us.
(56:22):
I mean, we had sanitationpolice believe it or not, here
in the United States.
I don't know if you had them inCanada, but around the turn of
the century we had sanitationpolice that were going around
and making sure that people wereactually cleaning up their
houses.
We had water, we could bathe,we could wash our linens, we
could wash our bedding, and sowe started getting healthier.
(56:43):
And the pharmaceutical industrycame in and looked at all these
and said, hey, let's make avaccine for this.
But if you go look at theactual charts of the diseases,
the vaccines for the most partcame in well after they started
declining, and it was morehygiene and sanitation that
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improved that than it hadanything to do with the medical
establishment.
And that's something that if wecould get our public health
agencies to focus on hygiene andsanitation, health or exercise
and nutrition, those are reallywhat I call the four pillars of
great public health policy.
I don't think that peopleworking in public health should
even be allowed to discusspharmaceutical products.
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Leave that to the doctors.
Leave that to thepharmaceutical companies.
They're going to get theirpound of flesh.
Leave that to thepharmaceutical companies.
They're going to get theirpound of flesh, trust me.
I think we, all you know knowthat they have too much.
But if you can rein in whatpublic health agencies can talk
about, to where they talk aboutthose four things nutrition,
exercise, hygiene, which ispersonal, and sanitation, which
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is communal, you're going tostart to see some really
increases in longevity andquality of life, like what we
were seeing in the early 1900s.
Sandy Kruse (58:02):
Yeah, I would have to agree with you because you
know you look at our nutritionthere's so many things that are,
you know, really not doing well, even like our water quality
and our food quality.
I mean, you know, we didn'teven get into mineralization of
our soils and you know, I seeall these people like going and
(58:27):
getting ozone water and thenhaving nothing in their water.
I'm like no, please don't dothat.
You know, like chlorine andfluoride, okay, in our water,
not great, but don't take awayeverything, all of our minerals,
so that it's basically void ofanything that we need in our
body.
So, yes, I would definitelyalign with you on that and let
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us know where can we find you?
How can we find your products?
Are they available worldwide?
How can we find your products?
Are they available?
Nathan Jones (58:58):
worldwide.
They're available in the US.
They're available everywhereCVS, rite Aid, walgreens, target
, walmart, all of your naturalretailers with the exception of
Whole Foods.
We actually pulled out of WholeFoods a number of years ago.
Why?
Sandy Kruse (59:13):
is that.
Nathan Jones (59:16):
Because they kept wanting to charge more and more
and more, and it was justridiculous that they wanted to
drive the price up whileeverybody else was trying to
keep it the same or bring itdown, and so we just pulled out
and left.
But you can find us in prettymuch every store, obviously.
You can find us online.
You can find us at our webpage,xlearcom, obviously on Amazon,
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vitacost, iherb, all of thoseplaces, and there's a lot of
retailers.
Most of your natural retailersin Canada will have our nasal
spray and some of our otherproducts also.
Sandy Kruse (59:50):
Perfect.
Thank you so much, nate.
I really appreciate thisconversation and I appreciate
your passion.
I just I really appreciate thisconversation and I appreciate
your passion.
I just I really appreciate itwhen I see people like you.
Nathan Jones (01:00:04):
Well, thank you, thank you.
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Hi everyone, welcome to Sandy KNutrition, health and Lifestyle
Queen season five.
It's actually season five and ahalf.
I just like to start a newseason in September because to
me, september feels like a newyear.
It always does, and I know alot of the people who follow me
on Instagram feel the same way.
(01:52):
It's like if you've got youngerkids, it's time to go back to
school.
I know some kids go back inAugust, but you know, here in
Canada, kids go back inSeptember after Labor Day, and I
think it's the same in otherplaces too, and you know whether
you've got kids going touniversity or even if you don't
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have kids, september hitsdifferent.
I didn't really do much thissummer except work work with my
husband on his business and Ididn't record a lot either, so
I've got a lot of recording todo to be able to fill my funnel
(02:34):
of amazing recordings for all ofyou who have been following me
for over five years.
I started this podcast inFebruary of 2020, just before
the pandemic hit and thisrecording is with Nate Jones of
Clear, spelled X-L-E-A-R.
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I always thought it was X-Clear.
I know a lot of people probablydo that.
Anyway, I was using thisproduct during the pandemic and
you're going to hear about thecontroversy around this product.
You're also going to hear aboutsome uses of this product.
I do want to make sure that Ipreface this conversation by
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telling you that nothing I speakof is medical advice.
We do not make medical claimson this podcast.
All of this information isreally here just to support you
in your wellness and for you todecide if it makes sense for you
(03:41):
.
Definitely.
Follow me on Instagram.
I'm most active there.
Go to Sandy K Nutrition.
I'm also on Facebook.
I have a Facebook page.
I have a Facebook group, aprivate group.
Just look for me there ifyou're only on Facebook, but
you'll get different contenteverywhere.
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I'm also on TikTok, sandy KNutrition.
I'm on threads.
Just look for Sandy K Nutrition.
I'm also going to see what Ican do about YouTube.
Youtube's really funny in thatthey don't always really show my
content.
I don't know why.
I guess maybe I'm not optimized.
I do everything myself.
(04:23):
My friends and I have been doingit pretty much all on my own
ever since the beginning, and Imight as well go back a little
bit and talk about my story,because this is it's like a new
year, right?
So I began this podcast in 2019, no 2020,.
(04:43):
I graduated from nutritioncollege in 2019.
So it was interesting.
I was speaking with anothernutritionist.
So what I don't like is this.
It's just that term has nolicensing around it, so it's
used so freely.
(05:03):
So you'll hear all sorts ofpeople calling themselves
nutritionists, even though theyjust did like a weekend long
course, or maybe they're apersonal trainer or something
like that.
But a true nutritionist hasletters after their name, like
mine is RHN, which stands forRegistered Holistic Nutritionist
(05:27):
, and it's a two-year collegediploma.
I haven't really been workingmuch with clients one-on-one,
just because I'm focusing on mypodcast and now I am also
working with my husband'sdistribution company.
I am also working with myhusband's distribution company
(05:48):
there will be some announcementscoming soon and it's a
crossover and it's a naturalsynergy that I work with my
husband to develop the healthand wellness leg of his
distribution company right, itjust kind of makes sense.
Company right, it just kind ofmakes sense.
So I am around.
I've been a little quiet allsummer long.
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I'm excited to bring thisconversation to you with Nate.
It's a very authentic, realconversation, which is something
I try to bring to you each andevery week.
I can't, obviously, make myguests be a certain way, but one
of the things that I'd say I'mpretty good at is to be able to
have authentic, realconversations and do my best to
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bring that out in all of myguests.
So with that, I'm going to askyou to share my content, engage
with it, like it.
So I have so much competitionout there and I don't even try
to compete because I don't putlet's say I don't put a lot of
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influencer money behind what Ido.
I hope that it catches on.
I feel like you know, the worldis full of this pay to play and
I don't personally like it in alot of ways, not saying that
there aren't people who areauthentic and doing great things
(07:19):
who also pay to play, but a lotof us here are just trying to
put good out in the world anddon't have those kinds of funds.
We're not celebrities.
We don't have thousands andthousands of advertising dollars
, which is that's me.
I just hope and rely that wordof mouth will keep me alive in
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what I'm trying to do, which isreally trying to bring you real
conversations that are notmainstream, that you're not
going to hear on the news,you're not going to read it on
Google.
It's going to just be a realconversation that you can take
with you, not as medical advice,but you can go all right.
(08:02):
This might be something thatcould help me and this might be
something that resonates with me.
So that's my whole purpose.
My friends, I also write onSubstack.
I am an English literaturegraduate, so I do write.
I have released one book.
It's actually not a book, it'sa guide.
(08:23):
It's the Essential ThyroidGuide.
It is on Amazon and it is not aclinical book.
You know I try not to get hurtby some of the reviews and I'm
like you know I very clearly inthe description state it is not
clinical.
It's just to educate you onyour thyroid gland, what it does
(08:45):
, how can you optimize it, whatare the tests you want to ask
your doctor for?
What are the signs that maybesomething's wrong.
And in there I have patientnotes for you to write your
notes when you're having theseconversations with your doctor.
It was very clearly outlined onwhat this guide is for.
(09:08):
So if that appeals to you andyou want to learn from somebody
who's had some serious thyroidtroubles, I had thyroid cancer
in 2011, had my thyroid removed.
Now I'm 55 years old.
I was 41 when I had it removed.
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Now I'm figuring out menopausewithout a thyroid gland, which
is also something that's notoften talked about, and I do
plan to do a solo episode onlyabout this, which, again, is not
medical advice.
It's just to talk to you guysabout, you know, a woman going
through menopause without athyroid gland, and there's a lot
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of you who might have the glandbut might have had an ablation
or something in that there'sbasically no function of your
gland left.
This also means you, anyway.
So I do have the EssentialThyroid Guide.
I do write on Substack, andthese are all explorative short
essays that I write in my owncreation, and a lot of it is for
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you to just take as breadcrumbsso that you can go.
Okay, that makes sense.
I want to research this further.
So go to sandycruisesubstackcomso
S-A-N-D-Y-K-R-U-S-Esubstackcomthe link will be there and
subscribe to my sub stack andalso make sure you're following
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Write me a nice review, fewkind words that goes a long,
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might benefit.
And now let's cut on through tothis amazing interview with Nate
Jones of Clear.
Hi everyone, welcome to Sandy KNutrition, health and Lifestyle
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Queen.
Today with me I have a specialguest.
His name is Nathan Jones and heis the founder of Clear, but
it's spelled X-L-E-A-R.
I always used to pronounce itX-Clear, so now we know how to
pronounce it.
It's pronounced Clear.
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And he is a global leader inxylitol-based health solutions.
For over two decades, nate haschampioned innovation in oral
and nasal health, fundingresearch published in leading
scientific journals and earningrecognition from industry
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leaders, like Better Nutritionand Vitamin Retailer Jones has
appeared as a health expert forCNBC, usa Today, newsweek and
more, and today this topic isgoing to be so good because we
are going to talk about thehealth benefits of xylitol.
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We're going to talk about,obviously, the microbiome and
nasal health and oral health andhow important that is to the
microbiome, but we're also goingto talk a little bit about
censorship of these naturalhealth products that are
researched and are studied toreally be beneficial for our
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health and especially forprevention, because that most of
you who know me know I'm likelisten, there's a lot that we
can do in this life to bepreventative with our wellness.
So with that, welcome Nate.
Thank you so much for comingtoday.
Nathan Jones (12:47):
Well, thank you for having me and I hope it's a
very interesting conversation.
Sandy Kruse (12:52):
I feel like it will be because we had a little chat
beforehand and I think we'vegot a lot of good stuff to bring
to everybody.
And, of course, I always liketo begin with.
You know, how did you get intothis?
How did this all begin for you?
Nathan Jones (13:07):
I got into it because my father is a physician
and he is the one who startedusing a xylitol nasal spray.
A lot of people are veryfamiliar with saline nasal spray
, saline irrigation.
He was the first one thatreally added a xylitol to it to
help prevent these kids in hispractice from having ear
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infections.
And where that came from isprior to 1998, they've been
looking at xylitol and how itprevents tooth decay since the
late 1960s.
They've known for 50 plus yearsnow that it helps reduce plaque
, that it helps actually get ridof the strep mutans, bacterial
infection that causes toothdecay.
It works differently thanfluoride or these other
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remineralizing agents becausethose simply mask the problem.
They make your enamel moreresistant but they don't
actually address the bacterialinfection.
And that's something thatxylitol or any other non-hexose
polyol, any non-hexose sugarmolecule, will do.
And the xylitol has the mostresearch behind it.
But in these studies one of thethings that they actually
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started noticing was the kidswho use the xylitol gum.
Not only were they not gettingtooth decay, they were also
getting 40% fewer respiratoryinfections, ear infections,
stuff like that.
And prior to 1996, 1998timeframe the dental journals
were publishing that.
But you know the dental and themedical were separate.
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You know they were separateplaces and you wouldn't find
people going in and researchinga medical topic and being able
to pull up the dental journalsin that.
And when PubMed came online,that was the first time that all
of these were collated andsearchable on the same database.
And my dad being a physician,he went in and he started
querying preventing earinfections in babies, because he
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had a bunch of kids withrecurrent otitis media in his
practice.
And what kept coming up werethese dental research studies.
And then in 1998, there was apaper that was published in the
Journal of AntimicrobialChemotherapy where they showed
that what's happening is thexylitol is blocking the strep
pneumo, the H flu, the MCATthese common bacterial pathogens
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from adhering to the tissue.
And if you block that adhesionthen obviously you don't get
sick, because the bacteria orthe virus has to adhere to the
tissue.
Then it penetrates into thecell and that's where you have
an infection.
And so he came up with the ideaof using it in nasal spray
because he had children thatwere too young to chew gum, that
were having ear infections.
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And you know, ear infectionsstart in the nose.
They really aren't, they don'tstart in the ear, they start in
the nose, they go up through theeustachian tube into the ears.
So he started using it in anasal spray and these kids
stopped getting sick and he hadsuch good results with it that
he started using it on olderchildren and children that have
a lot of respiratory issues.
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A lot of times they havemultiple issues and part of that
is because you have what iscommonly called a biofilm.
Like you have plaque on yourteeth, that's a biofilm, and if
you have chronic respiratoryissues, whatever type they are,
chances are pretty good you havea biofilm buildup in your upper
airway.
There was a great paper writtenby a doctor, ronald Hoffman.
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Any paper that I referenced,though I want to make sure that
you can go to our webpage and wehave a page where every study
that I referenced it'll be there, you can read the summary of it
and then there'll actually be alink where you can go to this
actual study in the medicalliterature and do that.
Again, our webpage is xlearcomand I encourage people to go
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there and read up on itthemselves.
Don't trust me a hundredpercent.
You know most people don't knowme from Adam, so go there and
read the studies, please.
But?
But he started using this onolder children who were having
constant respiratory allergiesand within a couple of weeks
they started being better.
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Also, they stopped needing tocome in for their allergy
treatments every week.
They were out playing, playingsports again.
Um, and so I was actuallyworking doing underwater welding
, underwater construction, outin the Gulf of Mexico on the oil
rigs, and I came up to visitingone time and, uh, you know, he
told me about it and I said,well, why don't we go and sell
it?
He goes I'm, you know, I'm 63.
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I don't want to waste risk whenI risk my retirement.
And I said, well, ok, I'll doit.
And so in 2000, I started acompany.
And here we are today.
Sandy Kruse (17:40):
OK, you are blowing my mind about the whole ear
infection thing and I'm going totell you because my daughter
she's now almost 20, but she wasthat kid I actually have
pictures of her Nate with cottonballs in her ears because I was
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using herbs to try and help theear infection so she wouldn't
go on yet another course ofantibiotics.
I mean, this was going back,like I said, 20 years and I was
still like a holistic mama backthen.
But I didn't know about xylitol, like.
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So I don't know.
That's like 20 years ago, no, alittle less.
She would have been around twoyears old.
But then, interestingly enough,the allergies to peanuts came up
soon after that, like severeanaphylaxis.
But the whole point is is thatI was this desperate mom.
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I didn't know what to do.
She was a toddler and she keptgoing on all these courses of
antibiotics and then you knowthere were times that she would
have to be on puffers.
So how do you even use xylitol?
Like you said, there are kidstoo young to chew the gum, so
what do you do, like make themrinse with it, like?
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Well, how do you give themxylitol?
Nathan Jones (19:06):
when they're two years old, you use a nasal spray
and spray it up their nose.
Oh, you can do that for a child.
Yeah, so the nasal spray that mydad developed was originally
developed for babies.
It was developed for infantsthat were too young to chew gum.
Wow, I mean, my kids have beenusing it since literally the day
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they were born.
When kids are born, they'reusually given saline drops to
put in their nose to moisturizeit.
The saline and the xylitol thexylitol actually works better in
any instance.
I can't find a single instancewhere saline alone works better
than xylitol, because the waythat your, that your nose, that
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your mucus membrane, I guess,regulates how, how fluid your,
your snot is, your mucus is, byshuttling salt back and forth,
back and forth across themembrane in your nose.
If your nose is runny, then itwill transport salt into the
tissue and the water will followthe salt.
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If your nose is dry, it willshuttle salt out of the tissue
into the mucus.
Then the water will follow the.
Again, the water will alwaysfollow the salt.
The difference is xylitol doesnot get transported back and
forth across that barrier,across that cell membrane, and
so xylitol will constantly sitin the mucus and slowly pull
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moisture out of the tissuetoward it.
That's one of the reasons why itactually reduces inflammation
in the nasal cavity quitesignificantly.
Two examples of that is therewas a study again these are on
our webpage where they usedultrasound, they measured the
airway volume and then they usedour nasal sprayer and in three
minutes they measured the airwayagain and in those three
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minutes the airway volume hadimproved by 20%.
Whoa, it's a huge amount.
And if they use it on a regularbasis, once in the morning,
once in the evening, kind oflike what we suggest as a
hygiene tool, there is a studyout of Georgetown University
here in Washington DC where anENT comparing it to saline
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actually showed that itincreased airway volume 36%.
Sandy Kruse (21:20):
That's incredible.
So, okay, because we all know,listen my son back in the day.
I always talk about all thethings that I used to do Like I
tried to do things holistically,but this is way before I became
a holistic nutritionist and hehad his tonsils and adenoids
removed when he was only five.
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And one of the things that I'vealways taught him since I
became a nutritionist which wasnot that long ago I would always
tell him to do salt rinses,because that's what I learned
was a good way to prevent theviruses from basically going
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down to his chest and causing achest infection.
So your research is kind ofshowing the benefits from the
nasal cavity, the oral health,all the way down to the
respiratory health.
Nathan Jones (22:17):
Correct, oh that's .
And I want to point out thisisn't us paying and doing
research.
This is research that's beingdone independently at
universities, at other researchinstitutions.
I mean, most of the researchthat we're funding is actually
research that we as a companywill never use, but it's
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research looking at xylitol andhow it helps with cancer.
Sandy Kruse (22:49):
Okay, okay, okay.
Let me go back a little bitbecause there's so much to
unpack.
It goes from the xylitol canbenefit the microbiome in the
mouth, the nasal cavity, all ofthat area, all the way to the
chest, and now you're talkingabout cancer.
Nathan Jones (23:08):
Well, the stuff we're doing with cancer, let's
not dig into it.
There are a couple of papersout there that have been
published.
Okay, Again, this is notsomething that we sell products
for or we ever plan on sellingproducts, but there have been
studies showing that xylitolhelps to stop the progression of
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oral cancer.
There have been studies showingthat xylitol helps with lung
cancer, causing it toautophagocytize, which means eat
itself.
I mean, there's a couple ofreally good studies out there
and there's another one thatwill be published here shortly
from Northwestern, where theyactually took lab rats that were
(23:48):
humanized and they had cancerand you know you'll have to read
the study, but it was veryinteresting.
But that should be outpublished pretty soon.
Sandy Kruse (24:00):
Okay, how does xylitol affect the microbiome?
I mean, you kind of touched onhow saline works and how it
helps to move salt, I guess, inand out of the tissue.
But how does xylitol work toaffect the microbiome?
Nathan Jones (24:19):
Well, so xylitol is a carbohydrate.
Okay.
Sandy Kruse (24:23):
Yeah, it's a sugar alcohol, right, it's a sugar
alcohol.
Nathan Jones (24:26):
But the difference is is, if you think about this
for a couple of minutes, if yougo back before we started
refining sugar, if you go backbefore we started refining sugar
, what do you think the numberone sugar carbohydrate that we
were eating was?
It was five and four carbonsugars, because the six carbon
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sugars that we're using that arerefining those only come out
during the harvest time, and sowe would have those when fruit
was being harvested, when corn,when grains were being harvested
.
That's when we would have thesix carbon sugars, but the rest
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of the time the number onesugars that we were eating were
five carbon sugars, and fivecarbon sugars are part of the.
If I'm trying to not go toodeep into biology class here,
but plant walls are made up ofxylem, and that xylem sounds a
lot like xylitol because that'sreally where it comes from.
So any plant wall that you knowthat's made up of xylem, which
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they all are.
Those are long carbon sugaralcohols that like xylitol,
that's where that comes from.
Sandy Kruse (25:36):
OK, you're blowing my mind here, by the way I I
hated biology, just so you knowso.
But so I'm trying to get intothat scientific mind because I
think this is important, becausea lot of people, like you, know
how a lot of the keto stuff isusing sugar alcohols.
And if you eat too much of it,it's going to upset your stomach
(25:58):
right, like you know.
If you're eating mounds of it,it could give you a little bit
of digestive upset.
Nathan Jones (26:06):
It does.
But if you continue using it ona regular basis, you're going
to.
You're going to switch your gutmicrobiome back to a healthier
microbiome, more like what ourmicrobiomes were three 400 years
ago.
Sandy Kruse (26:22):
Why is that Nate?
Well is it.
Nathan Jones (26:25):
That's what we were eating three 400 years ago,
before we started addingrefined six carbon sugars into
our diet.
Sandy Kruse (26:33):
Was basically the sugar.
Alcohols from plants is whatyou're saying Correct, but you
know you hear that too right.
You hear about people gettingdigestive upset now if they eat
too many plants.
Nathan Jones (26:48):
Correct.
That's fascinating.
What you have to do is you haveto let your gut microbiome
adjust.
I mean, if you start eating alot of plants and you start
getting digestive issues, keepeating it.
I mean, give your gutmicrobiome a couple of months.
You know you might have to putup with some uncomfortable
(27:09):
moments, but continue doing thatand maybe do it more on a
gradual thing, because if youlet your gut microbiome adjust
away from the six carbon sugarsthat are American, are sad our
standard American diet is todayyou get to be a healthier
microbiome.
Sandy Kruse (27:27):
You know it's interesting that you say that
because I have made a concertedeffort.
You know I am a nutritionist.
I do try and eat whole realfoods.
Effort you know I am anutritionist, I do try and eat
whole real foods.
I don't believe in specificdiets, but I did notice like
when you add in a ton of plantsyou can feel the difference in
your gut and there is thisadjustment period for sure.
(27:47):
So, but you know, of coursewe're not talking about eating
mounds and mounds of sugaralcohols, because in something
like this, like the nasal spray,you shouldn't feel digestive
upset from using it.
Nathan Jones (28:06):
I don't know that we've ever had anybody from the
nasal spray complain, and I meanusually where it is is when
you're using it to cook, and alot of people that are diabetic
they're going to use xylitol orerythritol a lot of these sugar
alcohols, especially erythritolbecause there are zero calories.
(28:29):
Your body cannot metabolizeerythritol and so you get
something that's sweet and thathas no calories to it.
Sandy Kruse (28:40):
Yeah, I used to do the whole keto diet and
everything that I made you knowbaked with was using xylitol,
and I think I not xylitolerythritol, it was erythritol
that I used, not xylitolerythritol.
It was erythritol that I usedand I almost think I overused it
(29:03):
.
Is it possible?
To get too much xylitol orerythritol Like.
Is that possible to have toomuch?
Nathan Jones (29:06):
I'm sure there is.
But if your option is to havetoo much sugar, I think you're
going to be better off havingmore erythritol than you are
having sugar.
I think you're going to bebetter off having more
erythritol than you are havingsugar.
But what I actually use is Iactually use a blend of xylitol
and erythritol 60% erythritol,40% xylitol.
That's what we use in my housewhen we're cooking and we want
(29:30):
to make something sweet.
It works just like sugar.
It has some calories to it, butnot nearly as many you get.
I mean, you're down to about Ican't remember what it was, we
figured it out once, but I thinkyou're down to about three
calories instead of 16 for atablespoon.
You get the sugar.
You don't get any of the gastroissues.
We haven't had any of those atthat blend.
Sandy Kruse (29:52):
Okay, so let's get into some of the actual xylitol
products.
So there's nasal spray.
You and I had an interestinglittle discussion about
toothpaste fluoride, because youguys also make a toothpaste
(30:13):
that's xylitol.
Nathan Jones (30:14):
Correct, and we have mouthwash and gum and mint.
Again, the big body of sciencebehind the utilization of
xylitol is actually I mean, it'sactually in how it prevents
tooth decay and it does it bytreating the strep mutans
bacterial infection that is inyour mouth, as opposed to what
(30:34):
our dental industry is tellingus is.
The solution is fluoride andfluoride and more fluoride, and
after you've had too muchfluoride, then use some more
fluoride.
But what the fluoride does?
The fluoride simply makes yourenamel stronger.
When your enamel demineralizes.
If you have fluoride and itremineralizes, it remineralizes
(30:59):
from hydroxy apatite, which iswhat our enamel is made of, to
fluorapatite, and fluorapatite,nobody questions it's stronger
than what hydroxyapatite is.
So if that was the only optionyou had, that's actually not a
bad option.
It's a great option to usebecause it makes your enamel
stronger.
But the problem is is that weknow that there's so many other
(31:23):
options that work better thanfluoride at remineralizing and
strengthening your teeth andthere's other options that work
better at actually treating thebacterial infection.
Sandy Kruse (31:29):
And then there's the fact that fluoride is not
really meant.
It's not beneficial if you'reswallowing it.
Well, that's true, Right Likeit's what I've read.
Nathan Jones (31:40):
I've read Don't tell a dentist that.
Sandy Kruse (31:44):
Because you know I've read some research Nate
about you know the intelligenceof our children being diminished
by swallowing too much fluoride.
So you know there's that it'sone thing for it to be for our
teeth but it's another thingwhen you're drinking it,
(32:04):
swallowing it all of that andthat is true and and but.
Nathan Jones (32:09):
the thing is, is that the the whole fluoride
argument it?
It shouldn't be an argumentsimply because since fluoride
came out 75 years ago and theystarted putting in our water, we
have researchers have shown usit's not.
You know, this isn't debatable.
There's lots of other productsout there that remineralize your
(32:33):
enamel better than fluoridedoes.
We actually, in our toothpastewe put a product called sodium
trimetaphosphate.
Studies show, going back to the70s, that it actually
remineralizes your enamel about36% stronger than what fluoride
does.
But yet the ADA and the FDA andthe CDC still only promote a
(32:53):
fluoride only.
You know practice forpreventing tooth decay.
Again, fluoride does not treatthe strep mutans bacterial
infection.
But you can use xylitol, youcan use erythritol.
If you use it on a regularbasis, you get rid of the
bacterial infection, and you canalso.
A university I'm thinking itwas UCLA, but one of the
(33:16):
California universities actuallycame up with a dental vaccine
and I don't know much more aboutit other than that it was drops
that you would put in yourmouth.
It was effective at actuallygetting rid of the strep mutans
bacteria and our government, ourhealth agencies, would not
allow that to come to market.
Sandy Kruse (33:34):
I don't know why agencies would not allow that to
come to market.
I don't know why.
Well, we can surmise right thatstrep mutans bacteria.
Why is that so bad for us?
Is that because you know howthey talk about your oral
microbiome and how it couldconnect to your heart like heart
(33:54):
disease?
Is that one of the bacterias?
Do you know?
Nathan Jones (33:58):
Well, strep mutans , it's a mutant.
It's.
That's the whole definition.
It's strep mutant.
It's a mutant bacteria, okay,and it mutated after we started
having all kinds of access inour mouth.
Bacteria in our mouth had allkinds of access to all kinds of
sugar.
It mutated and it doesn'tmetabolize the six carbon sugars
(34:20):
as fully as it should becauseit doesn't have to, and when it
doesn't metabolize it, itactually excretes.
You know, sugar bug poop iswhat we tell our kids, but it
actually excretes an acid andthat acid is what dissolves the
enamel of your teeth.
Okay, and we've known since1924 that tooth decay is a
(34:44):
bacterial infection and today,in 2025, we are still not
treating it as a bacterialinfection.
Sandy Kruse (34:51):
Okay that's fascinating because, you know,
you hear of some kids who havecavity after cavity, after
cavity, and then they'll say ohwell, it's genetics like well,
it might be genetics of thebacteria in their mouth.
Nathan Jones (35:09):
It's not the genetics of the person.
Tooth decay does not come frombad genetics.
Most of the time it comes fromjust bad parenting.
Sandy Kruse (35:19):
Ooh.
Nathan Jones (35:20):
That's a bold statement, nate.
Well, but the problem?
But the problem is is that thedentists aren't telling the
parents the proper way to treattooth decay.
Okay, and so it's baddentesting dentures, dentures,
dentures.
Sandy Kruse (35:37):
There's a lot of that going on, Nate.
Nathan Jones (35:40):
But it's because the parents are listening to the
professionals.
But I mean, when you just stopand think about it logically,
the dentist sits there and saysuse more fluoride, more fluoride
.
You're not treating thebacterial infection.
So the parents that we need,parents that are much more
proactive in their children'shealth care and pushing and
(36:04):
asking the dentist why aren'tyou talking to me about ways to
actually treat the bacterialinfection?
Sandy Kruse (36:12):
Yeah, you know what .
But that's one of the reasonswhy I do what I do, right, it's
to provide information that'snot necessarily the mainstream
narrative that the AmericanDental Association or the
Canadian Dental Association isregurgitating over and over and
over and over again.
And then we hear it from ourregular dentists and it's the
(36:33):
same old, same old.
So that's why I do what I do.
It's to say, okay, I'm givingyou breadcrumbs, now you can go
follow them and research it foryourself.
Like you said, you have a lotof these independent studies.
But that's why I do what I do.
But a very important point thatI need to make is the way that I
(36:56):
heard about your company, andthis would have been five years
ago.
I'm part of a community wherewe were trying to learn what can
we do to optimize our wellnessduring this pandemic, and so I'm
(37:16):
gonna preface this just bysaying we're not giving any
medical advice or anything likethat.
We're just having aconversation here.
I think it's very important totalk in the in that way, because
we're not giving you expertadvice.
We're talking about somesituations that happened during
the pandemic and I don't listen.
I don't want to get in anytrouble for saying this, but I
(37:39):
was doing my research back thenand I found your product through
my group of professionals inthis preventative health and I
traveled with it, nate.
I traveled with it and I wasspraying my nose with it because
everyone's like, okay, you gotto test before you go away for
(38:00):
COVID, you got to test beforeyou come back.
And I'm like shit, I don't wantto leave my kids stranded at
home.
I have to be in quarantine fortwo weeks, for God's sakes.
Coming home from Vegas with myhusband, I brought your nasal
spray along with another sprayand I was using it.
So talk to me about the wholestuff around COVID, because from
(38:26):
my understanding, there wassome lawsuits, there was all
kinds of things that happenedand you know, I would love to
hear your perspective on all ofthat.
Nathan Jones (38:38):
Well, that is true , all of what you just said.
And again, I would love to hearyour perspective on all of that
.
Well, that is true, all of whatyou just said.
And again, I'm not giving anymedical advice.
I don't sell any medicalproducts.
What we actually are givingadvice on is hygiene and better
practices and better ways topractice better hygiene.
(39:05):
Hygiene, according to thedictionary, is acts of
cleanliness with a desiredimprovement in health outcome.
I think is what it is exactly.
I think that should be changedjust a little bit to where it's
acts of cleanliness andmoderating a microbiome, a
gateway microbiome, for acts ofimproved health or for a desired
improvement in health outcome,because most of the times that
we get sick, it enters throughour nose or our mouth.
(39:26):
Okay, and I'll give you twogreat examples, because you know
you can bring up the COVIDthing During COVID in early 2020
, there were two papers thatcame out, one out of Israel, one
out of Canada where theyactually showed and pointed out
that if you had periodontaldisease, which is inflammation
of the gums, and you caughtCOVID, you were eight times not
(39:49):
8% eight times more likely to behospitalized and die from.
Okay, that's a big number to behospitalized and die from.
Okay, that's a big number.
And did you ever hear ourpublic health agencies come out
and say hey, people, whileyou're sitting at home munching
on the pizza that you orderedbecause we told you to stay
(40:09):
there, brush your teeth a littlebit?
You didn't ever hear that.
The second thing is, when itcomes to nasal hygiene prior to
2020, reduce the viral load inthe nose to make it so it didn't
(40:43):
spread to the lungs and to makesure that you didn't, you know,
breathe it out on other people,because you're washing all that
, those viruses, out of yournose and they're going down the
drain.
Um, and in early 2020, the, thenih, actually funded a study
that was done at vanderbiltuniversity in nashville,
tennessee, and in that study,they took 60 patients, all of
(41:05):
them over the age of 65.
All of them had othercomorbidities, every single one
of them had symptoms, everysingle one of them tested
positive and every single one ofthem used salt water, and they
were better in under a week.
And you would think that thegovernment agencies, if they
truly were looking out for thebest interests of our
populations, they would havesaid hey, people, go down to the
(41:26):
store, it's going to cost youabout 10 bucks but if you get
sick, start using an easelirrigation.
But they didn't.
And that's where hygiene comesinto it.
They were ignoring the hygienesolution.
And to go further on it when itcomes to adding other
ingredients like xylitol, therewas a study that came out of the
(41:48):
university of tennessee inknoxville where they used they
were.
They were looking at howxylitol and iota carrageenan
blocked the ability ofSARS-CoV-2 to adhere to the
tissue.
Okay, and I mentioned earlierthat my dad made this whole
product because a study came outshowing how xylitol blocked
bacterial pathogens.
(42:09):
We had never looked at it atblocking viruses and we should
have, but this study we could.
Actually, once you saw thatstudy, it was like, okay, if it
blocks the SARS-CoV-2 virus toan undetectable level, then
that's going to have a hugeimpact on reducing infection.
(42:29):
The same way washing our hands,the same way using salt water.
We tried to share thatinformation with our government
and the our government, theFederal Trade Commission, they
actually sent warning letters tome and my company clear.
They sent them to Navaj, theysent them to Nelman, some of our
(42:49):
competitors and said and toldus not to share the data from
these studies.
Share the data from thesestudies and the other companies
that I just mentioned.
Those companies, they said,okay, we won't, we'll be nice,
we're going to do what you tellus to do.
And they shut up about it.
(43:11):
We continued to share thatinformation and the government
sued us.
Okay.
And they came back and they keptasking really bizarre questions
.
They came back and said youcan't use this study because it
wasn't done on human airwaytissue.
No, it was done on what is thepharmaceutical industry standard
, which is varro, kidney, monkeytissue.
But they said, well, that'sgood enough for the
pharmaceutical industry, but you, a hygiene product, you need to
(43:35):
go out and do it on humanairway tissue.
So they're holding us to ahigher standard for something
that's not even a drug.
Um, they hold it to a higherstandard.
But.
But the good thing about it is,we went and did the study that
they asked.
We actually did the study onlooking at human airway tissue
and the interesting thing is,not only did we look at
SARS-CoV-2, but we looked at RSV, we looked at H1N1.
(44:00):
We looked at H5N1, the bird flu, we looked at rhinoviruses, we
looked at a number of differentviruses and we looked at a
number of different sugarmolecules.
And the interesting thing isdifferent sugar molecules block
different viruses moreeffectively.
The only thing that we have notfound a sugar molecule that
will block it is actually therhinovirus, but all the other
(44:23):
ones that I just mentioned weshowed that you could block it.
And the interesting thing is theFTC.
When we went and shared thatstudy with the FTC, the FTC said
well, you can say that itblocks rsv, you can say that it
blocks h1n1, you can say that itblocks h5n1, but you can't say
it about SARS-CoV-2.
(44:44):
And at that point I just saidthis doesn't make any sense.
Just, you know.
And I and I told my attorneys,I said just kind of, let them
sue us because what they'resaying doesn't make any sense at
all.
And we're sitting here trying ingood faith to share the studies
(45:05):
and actually discuss thestudies with these people at the
FTC.
But it was kind of likechit-chatting with children
because they made no attempt toeven understand what we were
talking about.
They said you do it the way wesay to do it or you don't do it
at all.
And so they sued us and wespent three and a half million
(45:26):
dollars over four years fightingthem in court and about a month
and a half ago, they just theyreally, I mean, in my opinion, I
think that they knew that theywere going to lose and rather
than have a judgment againstthem, they just quit and said,
ok, we'll dismiss it withprejudice, which means that they
kind of admit that they'rewrong and they're walking away
from it.
Sandy Kruse (45:46):
Whoa, you know I have a lot of questions in my
mind, but I'm not sure we'regoing to go there.
I just don't understand why.
Nathan Jones (45:55):
Why?
What part of why?
Sandy Kruse (45:57):
Why were you allowed to speak about all those
other viruses except for theSARS-CoV-2 virus?
Nathan Jones (46:08):
Because it was never about the science, it was
about the power.
They had said we couldn't do it, didn't matter what kind of
studies we brought to them, theydidn't care.
They said we couldn't do itabout SARS-CoV-2.
One of the things that was verytelling is when we were doing
(46:29):
the deposition, we asked theseattorneys how long have you been
with the FTC?
20 years, it was about theaverage, I think and we asked
them how many times in 20 yearshas the FTC sent a warning
letter to a company or an entity?
And after sending out thewarning letter, they received
enough studies to where you wereokay and you retracted the
(46:52):
warning letter.
And let me just put it this way, it's never happened, right.
And so you either haveattorneys that are so brilliant
that they've been batting 1,000for a quarter of a century or
they're corrupt.
Those are the only two options.
Sandy Kruse (47:13):
Well, I think also, nate.
The fact is is that, just likeyou said with some of your
competitors, they just didn'tproceed further.
So a lot of people are notwilling to risk it and, to you
know, go to bat for theirproduct because of fear.
They're afraid to.
Nathan Jones (47:36):
Well, they should.
If they trust their product,they should go to.
Well, they should if they have.
Sandy Kruse (47:38):
if they trust their product, they should go to bat
for them we could go on there,but I do want to ask that
because I don't want to forget,is there has been some stuff
about xylitol being connected tocardiovascular events and that
kind of thing.
Are there any contraindicationsto using xylitol?
Nathan Jones (48:02):
No, and there's really only one doctor, one
group out of the ClevelandClinic, and it's the same doctor
, and every year he puts outanother one.
He puts out one on erythritoland then he puts out one on
xylitol, and it really is thesame thing.
But they're not even looking atrealistically that xylitol is
(48:26):
what's causing this issue.
I mean, if you look at one ofthem, if I remember right, he
gave them the xylitol or theerythritol the night before and
then measured it in their bloodthe next morning.
Well, neither one of them staysthat long in there One of the
other ones.
And there's a paper that justcame out and I can forward it to
you after this you know, weshould have read it before where
they actually point out thatthe xylitol and the erythritol
(48:50):
in these people is a marker okay, it's not the cause, it's a
marker that you have issues withyour heart Because you have a
marker.
If you take away the marker,that doesn't cause.
The marker isn't what's causingit.
Sandy Kruse (49:13):
You know one thing I always say Nate is for almost
every study that supports onething, you can find something to
negate it, right?
I mean, it's research andreally we're all bio-individual.
We have to see what works forus and our own physiology.
So you know, there's that and Ithink personally, I always
(49:38):
believe in everything inmoderation.
So if I'm using a nasal spraydaily or that is xylitol, or I'm
using a mouthwash that isxylitol, I'm not gurgling, you
know, jugs of xylitol.
Nathan Jones (49:56):
Please no, you need no kidding.
You know jugs of xylitol?
Please no, you need no kid.
Now, once in the morning, onceat night, I mean, and what we
tell people to do with withxylitol with our products?
Um, you know, you brush yourteeth, once in the morning, once
at night.
(50:16):
Hopefully you're using axylitol toothpaste, and the
reason why is most of thetoothpaste that you're going to
find on the market will havesorbitol in them, which is a six
carbon sugar alcohol that feedsthe strep mutans bacteria.
So if you're using a toothpasteor a mouthwash that has
sorbitol in it, you're actuallyfeeding the bacteria you're
trying to get rid of.
Sandy Kruse (50:34):
Right, and you were saying your toothpaste has both
the xylitol as well as what wasthat other ingredient?
That's really good for theenamel, that's better than
sodium tri-metaphosphate.
Nathan Jones (50:47):
Sodium sorry, sodium tri-metaphosphate.
Sandy Kruse (50:50):
Okay.
So that's really importantbecause it sounds to me like a
very comprehensive formula thatdeals with that bacteria right,
and then also helps with theenamel.
Now here's somethinginteresting.
Maybe this isn't going to makeany sense to you, but we're
(51:16):
talking because I did read someresearch about the xylitol and
heart.
However, if the bacteria inyour mouth is let's say the poor
bacteria is overgrown in themouth, that in and of itself can
cause heart disease.
Nathan Jones (51:28):
Absolutely.
Sandy Kruse (51:29):
You see what I'm saying.
Nathan Jones (51:31):
The reason why is, if you have inflammation in
your gums, bacteria a good wayto describe inflammation, and I
describe this to doctors all thetime and a lot of doctors don't
really understand thesignificance of why it matters.
But think of it this way.
Think of your tissue.
Take a bunch of beach ballsokay, let's say 50 of them and
(51:55):
if you fill them half full ofwater water you have a bunch of
cells that are very malleableand you could actually take
those and stack them up and makea make, a cell membrane.
Take the garden hose and squirtit and no water gets through
because they're all molding andfilling in the gaps.
Now.
Now inflame this tissue.
(52:18):
Inflame it by filling them allfull.
So now they're all tight ballsthat are inflamed.
And how big are the gapsbetween each of those cells?
Spray that wall with a gardenhose and there's all kinds of
water getting through.
Yes, and so anytime you haveinflammation in the mouth or
anywhere else, what you're doingis you're opening up that
(52:41):
membrane for bacteria andviruses and other pathogens
other things to go straight fromyour mouth straight into your
bloodstream.
Sandy Kruse (52:53):
Right, Totally makes sense.
And you know I actually did alittle bit of research before I
recorded with you on the factthat you use grape, you use
grapefruit seed extract in this.
What does that do?
Nathan Jones (53:12):
Well, we've been using it for 25 years, 23 years,
as a preservative.
Sandy Kruse (53:19):
Oh, interesting.
Nathan Jones (53:22):
But it turns out that in some of the studies that
we did, going back toSARS-CoV-2 again, in some of the
studies that we did the veryfirst studies that we as a
company did we just sent ournasal spray up and had it tested
to see if it killed the back,the virus, sorry to see if it
destroyed the virus and it did.
(53:44):
And we originally thought thatthat was the xylitol doing it,
because the xylitol is thenumber one ingredient there and
until we broke it down to eachof the individual ingredients it
was actually the grapefruitseed extract at 0.2% was
annihilating the SARS-CoV-2virus as effectively as a 70%
solution of alcohol.
Sandy Kruse (54:06):
Holy smokes.
So that little formulationtogether in synchronicity is
what's really helping whenyou're taking it for
preventative measures.
Nathan Jones (54:20):
Correct.
Sandy Kruse (54:21):
And you know I also did some research because I
know that grapefruit itself can.
What is that enzyme?
The cytocrine P450 enzyme.
You know how?
That enzyme in a lot ofmedications.
It can prevent absorption ofcertain medications.
The research that I did showedthat there's not even close to
(54:44):
enough that it would interferewith that.
Nathan Jones (54:46):
In 20, 23 years we've never had anybody call and
say hey, this has affected myheart medication.
Sandy Kruse (54:54):
Right, right, and you know, for me, I'm going to
look at every single ingredient.
I know most people don't, butthat's why we're here talking
right.
So, but okay, you know what Ithink this is really been an
incredible conversation.
Is there anything that I didn'ttouch on that you'd like to
touch on, Nate?
Nathan Jones (55:15):
Oh, I'm sure that as soon as I, you know, cut the
feed, it'll be.
Oh, we should have talked aboutthis.
Oh, we should have talked aboutthat.
We talked about it in oralhygiene, we talked about it in
nasal hygiene.
The two are very much connectedand the two are very much
drivers of our gut microbiome.
Our oral and nasal microbiomeare really what drives the
(55:38):
health of our gut microbiome.
You know, if you want to reallyget off of pharmaceuticals, I
think the most effective way todo it is through better oral and
nasal hygiene.
I mean, if you go back to thelate 1800s, to the mid 1900s, we
had the largest increase inlongevity and quality of life
(56:02):
ever recorded in history, andthe pharmaceutical industry and
the medical establishment theytry to take credit for that.
But if you go and look at it,what was truly driving that was
that we were having clean waterpipe to our houses and we were
having sewage taken away and wehad people going around teaching
us.
(56:22):
I mean, we had sanitationpolice believe it or not, here
in the United States.
I don't know if you had them inCanada, but around the turn of
the century we had sanitationpolice that were going around
and making sure that people wereactually cleaning up their
houses.
We had water, we could bathe,we could wash our linens, we
could wash our bedding, and sowe started getting healthier.
(56:43):
And the pharmaceutical industrycame in and looked at all these
and said, hey, let's make avaccine for this.
But if you go look at theactual charts of the diseases,
the vaccines for the most partcame in well after they started
declining, and it was morehygiene and sanitation that
(57:08):
improved that than it hadanything to do with the medical
establishment.
And that's something that if wecould get our public health
agencies to focus on hygiene andsanitation, health or exercise
and nutrition, those are reallywhat I call the four pillars of
great public health policy.
I don't think that peopleworking in public health should
even be allowed to discusspharmaceutical products.
(57:31):
Leave that to the doctors.
Leave that to thepharmaceutical companies.
They're going to get theirpound of flesh.
Leave that to thepharmaceutical companies.
They're going to get theirpound of flesh, trust me.
I think we, all you know knowthat they have too much.
But if you can rein in whatpublic health agencies can talk
about, to where they talk aboutthose four things nutrition,
exercise, hygiene, which ispersonal, and sanitation, which
(57:52):
is communal, you're going tostart to see some really
increases in longevity andquality of life, like what we
were seeing in the early 1900s.
Sandy Kruse (58:02):
Yeah, I would have to agree with you because you
know you look at our nutritionthere's so many things that are,
you know, really not doing well, even like our water quality
and our food quality.
I mean, you know, we didn'teven get into mineralization of
our soils and you know, I seeall these people like going and
(58:27):
getting ozone water and thenhaving nothing in their water.
I'm like no, please don't dothat.
You know, like chlorine andfluoride, okay, in our water,
not great, but don't take awayeverything, all of our minerals,
so that it's basically void ofanything that we need in our
body.
So, yes, I would definitelyalign with you on that and let
(58:50):
us know where can we find you?
How can we find your products?
Are they available worldwide?
How can we find your products?
Are they available?
Nathan Jones (58:58):
worldwide.
They're available in the US.
They're available everywhereCVS, rite Aid, walgreens, target
, walmart, all of your naturalretailers with the exception of
Whole Foods.
We actually pulled out of WholeFoods a number of years ago.
Why?
Sandy Kruse (59:13):
is that.
Nathan Jones (59:16):
Because they kept wanting to charge more and more
and more, and it was justridiculous that they wanted to
drive the price up whileeverybody else was trying to
keep it the same or bring itdown, and so we just pulled out
and left.
But you can find us in prettymuch every store, obviously.
You can find us online.
You can find us at our webpage,xlearcom, obviously on Amazon,
(59:39):
vitacost, iherb, all of thoseplaces, and there's a lot of
retailers.
Most of your natural retailersin Canada will have our nasal
spray and some of our otherproducts also.
Sandy Kruse (59:50):
Perfect.
Thank you so much, nate.
I really appreciate thisconversation and I appreciate
your passion.
I just I really appreciate thisconversation and I appreciate
your passion.
I just I really appreciate itwhen I see people like you.
Nathan Jones (01:00:04):
Well, thank you, thank you.
Sandy Kruse (01:00:08):
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