The Journey Home: Finding Peace Within with Udo Erasmus SUMMER REBOOT - Episode 279 - Sandy K Nutrition - Health & Lifestyle Queen

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Hi everyone, welcome to Sandy KNutrition, health and Lifestyle

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Queen.
Today, my guest is Udo Erasmus.
He is the founder of Udo'sChoice and the author of the
book Fats that Heal, fats thatKill, which has sold over
250,000 copies.
As an acclaimed author andspeaker, udo has an eight-step

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process that takes intoconsideration all of the
elements of nature and humannature, including physical
health, mental health, presenceand awareness, life, energy and
being in harmony with nature andhumanity.
Udo's background includesstudies in biochemistry,
genetics, biology and nutrition,as well as a master's degree in

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counseling psychology.
So today, psychology.
So today we're going to talkabout what is optimal wellness.
I mean, people ask me this allthe time what do you need to eat
?
And I'm like, well, eating ispart of it, but it's not all of
it.
So today we're going to talk tothe expert and hear how we can

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truly optimize our wellness.
And with that, welcome Udo, I'mso happy to speak with you.

Udo Erasmus (02:51):
Glad to be on.
This is good stuff.

It is.
I mean, udo and I had a chanceto talk a little bit beforehand
and I can already feel hisenergy.
We are very aligned in a lot ofways without even having a full
one hour conversation yet.
We wanted to save that for youguys, of course.
So you have to tell me, becauseyou've got a little bit of

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history and you know.
You have to tell me how youended up where you are now.

Okay, you got 81 years.
I'll tell you the whole story.

Okay, let's go.

So I was born in 1942, which was during the
Second World War in Poland,which was then part of Germany,
and we were refugees when I wastwo and a half years old,
fleeing out of Poland, with thecommunists chasing us in tanks
and trucks on dirt roads, inhorse-drawn hay wagons, mothers

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with young children.
All the men were at war or dead, and the allies were using the
refugees, us refugees, alliesthese are the good guys on our
side, right.

Yeah.

They were using us as target practice, shooting at
us from planes.
Wow.
So we were got the communistsbehind and the capitalists from
the front, or whatever you callthat and my mother had six kids
younger than six, six andyounger, with her by herself and
they were dead horses and deadpeople in the ditches and she

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got completely burned out andshe realized it was winter, she
realized it was safer to gothrough the fields than to stay
on the road and so she had sixkids.
She couldn't handle six kidsunder six going across the
fields, so she left four of usbehind and took off with two of

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them and my her sistereventually caught up with her,
found out what happened and cameand hauled us out from where we
were and reunited reunited uswith the family.
I don't remember all of thisstuff.
I remember not feeling safe.
That was that carrier.
I mean, that's still an issuefor me, yeah and didn't know

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what I could trust, becauseevery day you get different
advice and never felt like caredfor.
Even though my parents did thebest they could and other people
did the best they could, Inever felt cared for.
And then we were in Germanyafter the war and I remember
listening to yet anotherargument between Germans.

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You know very intense argumentsabout things that I thought as
a six-year-old were completelytrivial, and the thought came to
me it was like man, there mustbe a way that people can live in
harmony.
It's like man, there must be away that people can live in
harmony.
And then a little cocky voiceof a six-year-old that doesn't
know how complicated everythingis.
I'm going to find out how.

And that's been my driver all my life.

And so I went into science eventually to try it,
because if you don't know howthings work, it's not
predictable.
So that's like I wanted somepredictability.
So I went into science tounderstand how things work and I
was always an experimenter as akid, trying to figure out how
things work from my ownexperience not from what people

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told me, because I didn'tbelieve people that much,
because they told me all kindsof opposing things.
And then I got into biologicalsciences, how creatures work.
Then I got into psychology, howthinking works.
Then I got into medicinebecause I wanted to know how
health works but realized I'monly learning about disease.
And after the first yearmedicine I went back into

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biochemistry and genetics,because you learn more about
health in biology, where youstudy normal creatures
functioning normally in normalsituations, than you do in
medicine, where they studydisease.

Yes.

And you don't get to know what health is by
studying disease.
You need to study what healthis if you want to know what
health is.
It's kind of like you're sayingyou want to know what light is,
so you look into the darkness.
Well, you're not going to findout what light is by looking
into the darkness.
You look, you find out whatlight is by looking into the

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light, and so I, so I I leftuniversity at 26, 25, 26,
because I never got an answer tosomething in me that was really
restless.
You know, I call it heartachenow, but you could call it
heartbroken, you can call itlonely, you can call it longing,
striving, restless, you couldcall it grief, sadness.

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There's lots of names for thisfeeling in the heart.
Everybody knows the feeling.
When I give talks about thatfeeling, I have never met a
person who doesn't know fromtheir own experience what
heartache feels like, and so Inever found anything at
university that addressed it.
So I left university.
Then I got a little bit intotraveling and a little bit into

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psychedelics, and thepsychedelics kind of blew my war
baby mentality open because Irealized on an LSD trip, oh my
God, I was very serious and verystudious and I was always
trying to figure everything outand I thought if I knew
everything, I'd finally be happy.

And.

I realized the tears were running down my
cheeks.
I was laughing and crying atthe same time, and it struck me
as unbelievably funny thateverything that I had been so
studiously looking for on theoutside was all already present
within me.
I was like God's big joke,right?

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Somebody said you know, youknow, there's a.
There's a joke about that.
God's God says I can't stand it.
People are always complaining,they're always asking me stuff.
So somebody says well, hide onthe top of Mount Everest.
And I said no, they're going tofind me there.
No, well then, hide in thedeepest hole in the ocean.

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Oh, they're going to find methere.
And so a little wise guy sayswhy don't you hide in the hearts
of people?
They'll never look there.
Oh, wow, wow, there you go andand that's kind of like that was
the realization.
Oh my god, everything I'mlooking for outside is inside.
That, by the way, is true forevery human being, because we,

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we come into the world.
Well, let's, let's go back youwhen I, when you were in your
mother's womb I call it theBuddha tank.
When you're in your mother'swomb, where was your focus?
Well, let's see, there wasnothing to go out to, there was
nothing to do, everything wastaken care of, it was pretty

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safe.
So where was your focus?
Because it had no place to go.
Your focus was at rest inside,in its source, in life and
beyond that, in awareness, inpure awareness, and you were
basically in deep meditationbecause your focus was all

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inside.
And you're hanging out out,floating in this little tank.
You know, sometimes a littlesmile come across your face
yourself if you've seen thepictures, and you were in a
blissful state.
You could could say and it waslike completely boring because
there's nothing going on fornine months.

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Can you imagine sitting downand doing nothing for nine
months and yet you weren't bored?

No.

You were in bliss and then you came out and you
were lit up People love babiesbecause they're lit up, because
they're still inside their ownlife.
And then you came out, and thenyou had to get to know the
world.
So your, your focus went outthrough your senses into the

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world and you focus, you, youfocus change by any time
something changed outside,because the way we're built is,
anytime something changes on theattack, we're immediately
attracted to it.
Why?
Because we have to figure outvery quickly is this friend to
embrace, foe to run from, orirrelevant to ignore?

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And so we have to do that.
And so we went out with oursenses, with our senses and in
the process of going, learningto get to know the world, we
went from present inside andabsent outside in our focus to
present outside and absentinside.
And when we disconnected fromour deeper nature is where

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heartache began.
Because when you getdisconnected from yourself, it
doesn't feel, you don't feelwhole, you don't feel one, you
don't feel peace, you don't feelloved, you don't feel.
And so then we live our lifebecause we forgot that our
problem was that our focus wentout.

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And nobody tells us now we'relooking for what can I do
that'll get me taken care of,and so we come up with something
.
Could be, could be sex, itcould be money, it could be
projects, it could be, uh, fame,it could be.
Whatever it is.
We come up with something, andthe idea is, if I succeed in

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this thing that I've just cookedup in my head to do, then when
I succeed I will feel okay again, I will feel whole again.
But it never happens no, itdoesn't because what happens is
you get three days where we sayyeah, I did it, I did it, I did
it.
And then the fourth day or thefifth day or a week later or
however long it doesn't usuallylast a month this uneasiness is

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back and then you say, well,maybe I didn't think big enough
or maybe I thought in the wrongdirection.
And then you set the next goaland again you hope.
You know and you don'tnecessarily consciously hope,
but subconsciously,unconsciously or consciously,
you hope that when you succeedyou will feel taken care of and

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the whole time you're going outto try and connect to what you
need to connect inside, becausethe problem is not something on
the outside, the problem is thatyou connect it from yourself
inside now, why do you thinkthis happens?

do you think this happens because of you know I'm
going to bring up trauma.
There's trauma, no, okay, okay.
So why?
Why does this happen?
Why do we lose touch with our?
I don't know.
I'm just going to say heartcenter, yeah.

It is a normal, natural, necessary process that
happens to every human beingbecause you have to get to know
the world, because you have tosurvive in that world.
When you're inside yourmother's womb you don't have to
protect yourself, the protectionis already provided.
So it's a normal, naturalprocess.

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What is abnormal?
And it's automatic, by the way,going out through your senses
to monitor change is automatic.
You know, if I give a talk andthere's a door at the side of
the room, if that door opens andsomebody walks in, I lose my
entire audience in a splitsecond, just because change

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attracts our senses, attractsour focus, because we have to
deal with it.
That's survival mechanism.
So that's why.
But the return to bring thefocus back inside, to reconnect
to yourself, to your deeper self, has to be deliberate, because

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there's nothing inside of yousaying look at me, look at me,
there's nothing changing.
No, there's like perfect peaceinside in the core of your being
.
There's unconditional loveinside of you.
Around that, there's inspiredpurpose around that.
That's the shine of life intothe world.
That's already within you butit's not jumping up and down to

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get your attention, and anythingthat jumps up and down gets
your attention.

That's so true.

So it's a normal process.
Going out is automatic.
Coming back has to bedeliberate.
In heaven, on earth, in theperfect peace and the
unconditional love inside isbecause we are not deliberately
making time to sit still andbring our focus and get good at

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bringing our focus back insideof the space that our body
occupies and observing theenergy that is our life and the
awareness that is life's source.

So the biggest question is how do we come back?
How do we come back to that?

The short answer.

Well, you know, we got some time.

We can talk about it, but the short answer is do
less, do less.
You know we talk about workhard, yes, accomplish stuff
Right, play hard.
Yeah.
Nobody says do nothing hard.
You need to take time to donothing just as hard as you do

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stuff.
You need to go from doing tobeing so, doing to being Because
.
Which one is more important?
Well, we're called human beings, but we're actually living like
human doings.

Totally.

Everything we do, do, do, do, do, do, do, and then
you turn into do-do True, sowe're do, do, do, do, do, do,
and then you turn into do-doTrue, so we're doing all the
time.
But here's the thing which ismore important.
Well, it's very easy.
You can be without doing, butyou cannot do without being.

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So being is your foundation,cannot do without being.
So being is your foundation.
So being is the more importantbecause you can exist without
doing.
You could just sit, breathelightly, just feel what it feels
like to be alive, right, not doanything, leave everything

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outside, on the outside, andleave it, you know, and just be
present in the same space thatyou were in when you were in
your mother's womb.
That's what meditation is about, that's what self-knowledge is
about, that's what mindfulnessmindful, internal mindfulness is
about.
Right, and we don't do that.

And no, we don't do that.
And no, we don't, I mean it.
I think it gets much harder todo that when our world is much
more complex.
And you know, we've got can I?

can I disagree?
You go right ahead I'll tellyou why, because you only need
one distraction.
We have more distractions thanwe've ever had that's what i'm'm
talking about Udo Distractions.
You only need one distractionAnything that moves is your
distraction.
Anything that changes is yourdistraction.
You hear a sound oh what's that?

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You hear a noise in behind yourclosed blinds oh, what's going
on?
So we're so attracted becausefor survival.
And yet in the end we don'tsurvive bodies, you know so we.
So what if we?
What if we took time to createa safe space where we're not

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going to be disturbed, and everyday we took five minutes or 10
minutes or half an hour or anhour to just be present in the
space in which we live, becausemy life is entirely inside my
body, right, and I take time toactually experience that, then

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we would be getting the restthat we need.
We would not get burned out Inthat place.
There is no trauma.
Let me get back to that in asecond.
In that place, there is notrauma.
You cannot traumatize perfectpeace.
That is your deepest nature,it's actually your universal
nature.
And you cannot traumatizeunconditional love.

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That is your individual essenceand I'll get back to that in a
second too.
You can't, you can't, you can't, you can't.
You can traumatize the body,you can traumatize the mind, you
can traumatize the emotions,you can traumatize your social
group and you can traumatize uhenvironment.
So trauma exists only in theworld of change.

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Trauma does not exist in theworld of the unchangeable, of
the eternal, of the timeless.
Trauma often triggers heartache, but the trigger is not the
cause.
It's really important tounderstand this.

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The trigger is not the cause.
It's really important tounderstand this.
The trigger is not the cause,because there are a lot of um,
there are a lot of triggers forthis uneasy feeling yeah and we,
and and we call this uneasyfeeling by all kinds of
different names, depending onwhat the trigger was.
But this feeling began not fromthe trigger.
This feeling is your defaultafter you disconnect from

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yourself.
And that feeling, when yourheart aches, when your heart
hurts, when you feel uneasy inyour chest, and you feel uneasy
in your chest that feeling isthe result of your focus, having
wandered into the world anddisconnected from yourself, from
your deeper self.

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So what that means is that whenyour heart aches, instead of
trying to make it go away, sitwith it.
Sit with heartache when yourheart aches.
Be why is that?
Because it's the greatest giftyou've been given other than
being alive, because it's yourcall to come home to your heart,

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to life, to peace.
And so if you sit with it andjust feel it, don't judge it.
You might cry because it'sintense.
It can be intense, but it won'tkill you.
But if you sit with it and youcould bring your focus just like
a hair's breadth in, you're inthe place where the pieces,

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you're in the place where thereconnection happens.
You're in the place where thepieces, you're in the place
where the reconnection happens,and the cure for trauma is to
find your way back to that placein you.
Everybody gets traumatized inchildhood, some more in
different ways.
My war was definitely traumatic, obviously.
Rape is traumatic.

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Obviously, skinning your kneewhen you fall off your bicycle
and hit a rock with your kneecap, it's traumatic.
Obviously, if somebody hits you, it's traumatic, you know,
sometimes when they yell at youand the tone is traumatic
because we're vulnerable.
We're vulnerable creatures,right?
So everybody has trauma and nota single person on this planet

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has has lost their perfect peaceor their unconditional love.
Their focus has wandered intothe trauma, but the peace and
the love are still there.

It never goes away.

So what does it take to get your focus, to bring
your focus back to the peaceand the love that are the
essence of your own existenceand to begin to live from life?
You maybe have to let go, bringyour focus back to the peace
and the love that are theessence of your own existence
and to begin to live from life.
You maybe have to let go.
You have to forgive, notbecause forgiveness doesn't make
what happened right, but itfrees you from being preoccupied

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and doing it to yourself.
Does that make sense?

It does, it does.
I mean I think everything thatyou're saying makes sense.
So, really, what you're sayingis that heart center,
everybody's heart center, ispure Really.

Absolutely, even if you're a mass murderer.

Yeah, it's just you've lost your way in getting
there and reaching it.

Yeah, well, why do people?
Okay, I'll give you, I'll tellyou a story.
I was giving a talk on peacebecause I know what peace is.
Peace is not the absence of war, that's a ceasefire.
Peace is a presence, it's afeeling within you, and it's
real when you feel it and it'snot real when you don't.
So I was giving a talk on peaceand a woman at the end put up

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her hand and said so you know,with all of this talk about
peace, I hope you're alsoagainst violence against women.
I was like, wow, I neverexpected that question on a talk
of peace, right, yeah?
So I said to her okay, I havenever heard of, or read about or

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witnessed an act of violenceagainst women by someone in a
moment of peace, by someone whowas experiencing peace.
It's not possible.
You know, when someone is atpeace, everything's okay,
they're okay and everything elseis okay.

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Why would you have a reaction?
If somebody wants to leave you,they can leave.
If somebody wants to comecloser, they can come closer.
If they want to do neither, whywould that be so important to
you that you would try and beatthem up?
Well, it wouldn't be.
When you feel unconditionallyloved by life.

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Why would you ever hurt anybody?
And so I said so.
If that's true and it is thenmaybe instead of focusing on
violence against women, we needto focus on peace.
How do you teach people thepeace that is so powerful that

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it makes violence unnecessaryand unthinkable, because that's
within every human being yeah, Iget where you're going with
that, yeah, yeah.
I get where you're going withthat.

Yeah, yeah.

So yeah, it's interesting, like right now I'm
reading the Fourth Turning.
It's an old book from 1997, Ithink, okay, and a book about
why countries fail and succeed.
And they talk about cycles ofyou know you get a war, and then
after the war you know the waris always worse than anybody

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think, thought it would be andthen after the word, that people
settle down and then they getinto prosperity and and and
helping each other becausethey've realized how bad war is,
but but then after time theyforget and then they start to
drift again and then they getback into war and we're
definitely on that kind of atrack right now.

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Yeah, everybody knows it, youcan feel it.

Yeah, we can.

So I was born during the Second World War.
After the First World War,which ended in 1918, and the
beginning of the Second World,which began in 1939, there were
21 years in which if people inEurope had cultivated the peace
that is the core of their ownexistence and had taken time to

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tap into that, or theunconditional love that is their
life energy, if people had donethat in Europe in those 21
years, there would have not beena second world war.
And now we have second worldwar and we've had vietnam and we
had korea and we had, like youknow, and we have stuff going on
and now it's kind of likerussia and us and you know it's

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not sounding like they're bestof friends or anything like that
yeah, yeah.
Right why?
Because from 1945, when theSecond World War ended until now
2023, we have not taken thetime, we have not had the wisdom

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, we have not deliberately thetime, we have not had the wisdom
, we have not deliberately madepeace important in our lives.
And if you don't, you know, ifyou don't deliberately go in,
then you will always drift out,and when you drift you're always
going to go downhill.
So at first it's good and youknow, thank God we survived the

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war and now we work really hardand we try to rebuild and do all
of that, and then our kids haveit a little better, so they get
a little sloppier, and theirkids get a little even better,
so they get even more sloppy.
And we're now at a place wherewe're on the last stage before
the civil war and the externalwars.

So it's a cycle all the time.

It's a cycle, but only because we're not doing our
homework.

Yes.

And so my point of the whole thing is listen, the
most incredible thing is insideof you.
Let me build that up again alittle bit.
What is life?
What is life?
What is life, you know?
You ask a physicist, they comeup with all kinds of stuff.
You ask people what is life?
I can tell you.
It's very simple.
Life is solar energy.
It's, in fact, it's a fractionof solar energy.

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So here we have the planetfloating around and the sun
shines and some of the lighthits the planet right, half of
the planet right.
The other side is dark.
Yeah, it's this okay.
And it's filtered through 93million miles of space.
Then it's filtered through theatmosphere, then it's filtered

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through plants.
Plants absorb some of thesunlight and they reflect some
of it.
What they absorb is stored inbonds between atoms, because the
energy excites electrons andmakes them bond.
That solar energy is stored inthe bonds between atoms.
We eat those as food and in ourcells those molecules get

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broken down and the solar energyfraction is released.
And now we call that life andit runs everything.
What is it Like, that energy?
I say it's unconditional love.
It's empowering, unconditionallove.
It is all powerful within you,omnipotent.
It's everywhere present in yourbody, in every cell, omnipotent

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.
It's everywhere present in yourbody, in every cell,
omnipresent, and it knowseverything about how to run a
body because that's what it does.
So, omniscient, all knowing inyour body right that's the
definition of god, by the wayyeah, I've heard that present
that Omnipresent, omnipotent,omniscient.
And so this is God within yourbody.
It runs everything, it neversleeps, it never asks for a

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raise, it never goes on strikeand it takes care of your body
24, 7, 365, lifelong.
If you were in touch, if youcould bring your focus in touch
with that, you would feel thatlove.
And when you do and you feelcared for, there's nothing left

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to do except help, because it'snot about you anymore.
Oh, my god, I am so, I am socared for, right.
And then it's like okay, well,where can I help?
Well, that's easy, just lightenpeople's, you know, bring a
little light into a situation.
You know, help the lady acrossthe street, you know, whatever

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it is.
You know, carry somebody'sgroceries, whatever.
Simple stuff, right, but alsobig stuff.
So, and then the question iswhat needs to be done?
So then you do it not becauseit's going to make you fulfilled
, because you're alreadyfulfilled.
You do it because it needs tobe done.
You don't do it for money, youdo it because it needs to be

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done what about ego?

where does ego fill it?

I'll get to that in a second, okay, okay.
The third thing is what's thebiggest splash for good that I
can make in the time I have onEarth?
So then it completely changes.
Before I knew how to connect tothat, I was always looking what
can I do that will get me takencare of?
And I wouldn't do things thatneeded to be done because I

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couldn't see how they would takecare of me, and that's why
things are neglected thatclearly need attention.
Some of them are aboutenvironment, some of them are
about social, some are aboutrelationships, some is, I mean,
on every level we're neglectingthings that need to be done
because we don't see how they'lltake care of us.
And even rich people, reallyrich people why don't they give

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their money away or why do theycharge more than they need to?
That's how they got rich.
Why?
Because they are so discontentand these people are not happier
than the poor people.
They're so discontent that theythink that if they gave away
what they don't even need, theywould be even more discontent.
So they hang on to it and whenthey find their contentment, if

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they do, it will change them andthey will actually use their
money to help, rather than usingyour money just to get even
more money.

Right.

Right Now.
You said you asked the question.
I said no, you asked a question.

I said where does ego fit into all this?
Oh, ego.
Some people will do all thesethings that you're talking about
just to fuel their own ego andthen say look what I did.
I'm a philanthropist, I didthis, I do so much good, right?
So it's like it's not feedingthe heart, it's feeding the ego.

Right, but what is the ego?
See, you just made that up.
What you said about ego, youjust made that up.

I did.

Yeah, you just you put it in words spontaneously.

Yeah.

Well, ego is just what you make up about yourself.
When you go to the heart, youdon't need to make anything up.
When you go, when you go to the, to the presence inside, you
don't need to make anything upbecause what you are within is
way bigger than your ego couldever get.
And when you feel content, youdon't need to make up an ego,

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you know.
Then you don't go around sayinghow do I look Right?

Who cares what if you care about how you look?

Well, it depends on how much you care.

Okay.

Right, I mean obviously, look, I didn't come
here naked and I did comb myhair and I did brush my teeth.

That's good, that's good, so so.

So there are certain, there are certain
standards, but I'm not doingthat because when I do that, I
feel more.
I feel eat, but I don't eatmore than I need to eat, right,
I?
I, I go for walks, I, I do whatI need to do.

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You know, I prepared forgetting on the show with you
right to look to you.
I looked you up on the on theinternet.
I read some of your story.
So I do all that because I wantto get a feel for who you are
and how we can have a goodconversation.

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But I'm not doing it becausewhen I know more about you, I
feel like I'm bigger than you,or better than you, or that I
have power over you, or that Ican push you in some direction
or that I can take somethingfrom you.
I'm not doing it for that.
Okay, ego is a shell you build.

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It doesn't even exist.
You are way bigger than thebiggest ego you could ever
create for yourself.
Okay, why is that bigger thanthe biggest ego you could ever
create for yourself?
Okay, why is that?
Because you are, because yourinternal nature is infinite.
How do you put an ego aroundinfinity?
How do you put a shell, becauseego is a shell.

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How do you put a shell aroundsomething?
that is dimensionless yeah rightand and and it's.
It's a quality in that, asthere's a certain amount of
humility that comes from goingdeeper inside, because I oh my

(36:51):
God, here I am.
My body is 70% water, 1% oxygenActually it's different, but 1%
free oxygen, a few less than 1%vitamins, 4% minerals, 10%
protein, 50% fat and a littlebit of air, a little bit of

(37:18):
water and a little bit of dustgot put together in a way that
allows me to have the humanexperience for a while.
And I'll have that experienceand I entirely love my life
because I'm actually present init, because it feels good by
nature.
So I'm not having to doanything other than to go there.

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I'm not creating the goodfeeling.
The good feeling is my natureand so, because I get to do that
, I say well, I didn't createthis, I don't make the earth
turn, I don't make the sunshineturn, I don't make the sunshine,
I don't make the green plantsabsorb that light, I didn't

(38:01):
create what makes that light,that solar energy, uh, shine
with from within me.
Right, I get to be, but I getto.
I get to be, but I get to.
I get to enjoy this show andit's always in movement, it's
always changing, except for thestability in the peace and in

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the unconditional love.

So, really, what you're referring to, for a lot
of people they'll know it asjust remaining present.

Yep Right Presence presence is a power word.
Yep.
Yep, right Presence is a powerword, yep.

Yeah, Now let me ask you this, Udo, because you
know, obviously you enduredtrauma as a child.
We've all had traumaticexperiences throughout our lives
.
We come across traumaticexperiences.
How, what is the best way inwhich you can remain present in

(38:58):
your heart center when there'strouble all around you?
How, what do you do?
What do you tell us your secret?

Okay, don't go out to the trouble.
Okay, you don't have to go outto the trouble.

What if the trouble's like really close?
Like you have, you know, aterminally ill spouse, or that's
real trouble, or yourself?
Right, right.

Okay.
So here's the thing you mighthave cancer, right, we know
that's a topic.
Yep, you might have cancer.
But then look what is thecancer?
Your body has cancer, but yourlife is unconditional love and

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can never get sick.
Life is perfect health, theenergy that makes you cannot get
sick, never dies, is formlessto begin with.
If you have that feeling andyou let that feeling take over
your body, a few things happen.

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One of them is you feel loved.
Well, cancer has a prettystrong association with anger
and depression.
Well, you cannot be inspired bythe love you feel and depressed
at the same time.
So, there's your cure fordepression, one of the factors.
Second, is, if you feel loveand you say, oh my God, I get to

(40:34):
have another day, you probablyare going to take more care
about what you put in your bodythan you will if you're bummed
out and your life is not worthliving.
And so what do you do?
Well, your body is part ofnature and all of the building
blocks for your body come fromnature, and some of them are

(40:58):
called essential building blocks18 minerals that your body
can't make have to come in fromoutside.
13 vitamins that your bodycan't make but plants can have
to come from outside.
9 essential amino acids thatmake proteins Plants can make
those, but you can't, so youhave to eat the plants can make
those, but you can't, so youhave to eat the plants to get

(41:19):
those right and two essentialfatty acids that come from fats
that you can't make but plantscan, so you, you have to bring
those in from outside.
How do you do that?
Well, you don't do that byeating white sugar, white white
flour and fried oils.
You do it by eating fresh,whole, raw, organic, natural

(41:40):
foods, right?
So I'm just talking about whathappens when you cultivate the
love, that is your individualessence.
Then you don't go out and dostupid things that get you bad
reactions, right.
So just by moving yourawareness inside into the love,

(42:04):
the unconditional love that isyour nature, you've already done
.
Just by doing that and nothingelse, you have already started
doing a whole lot of things thatare really good for health and
work against cancer.

Yeah, you don't need all those dopamine hits
right.

Right, for instance , and you don't need to burn
yourself out trying to provethat you're somebody, and you
don't need to do all kinds ofstupid things to build your
manufactured ego that you'vecreated because you're out of
touch with your own magnificence.
So you created some shell ofthat as a substitute.
You don't need that Right.

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Peace can never get sick,inspiration can never get sick
and unconditional love can neverget sick.
All three of those are withinyou and they are the core
essence of your being.

So how do we get there, Udo?

So then you say I'll get there.
So then you say then you don'tsay I have cancer, you say I'm
perfectly healthy, but my bodyhas cancer because, I am that
unconditional love.
So how do you get there?
First thing is, you have tounderstand that it's already
within.
What you're looking for outthere is already present within

(43:25):
you.
That's number one.
Number two you have to askyourself am I interested in
perfection?
Am I interested in love?
Am I interested in actuallyexperiencing that, not just
talking about it, not justhaving words about it?
But do I want to experiencethat or do I want to embody that

(43:49):
?
Then are you willing to putsome time aside for the
exploration that brings yourfocus inward into the space your
body occupies?
And if you're willing to dothat, then you create a safe

(44:10):
space.
And in that safe space, don'tdo this while you're driving.
I'm going to do a littlemeditation thing okay so you
close your eyes?

yes, you close your you want me to do this with you
?

oh sure okay, okay okay, so close your eyes and
I'll see how still you canbecome and see how deeply you
can go into that stillness andsee how long you can stay there.

(44:43):
And while you're in thatstillness, lighten your
breathing and slow it down alittle and then follow your
breathing round and around anddo it until your breathing is
completely circular and there'sno, no stops and starts and jag.

(45:06):
It's because your emotionsfragment your breathing.
So do peaceful breathingcontinually and notice how calm
it is inside.
Some people call it boring, butit's actually peaceful.

(45:28):
Notice how peaceful it is whenyou have nothing, when you have
no doing.
Going on breathing is stilldoing, but that's the only thing
you're doing.
So do it lightly, do it quietly, and what does it feel like?

well, it feels good , except it would make.

What does it feel like in the space that your body
occupies?
Because, because, if yoursenses monitor energy, inside
you can see light.
Inside you can hear sound.
Inside you can feel that lovein your emptiness and inside you
can even taste sweetness, tastesweetness and do that every day

(46:16):
and learn to get good atbringing your focus back inside
the space your body occupies.

So this is the main .

That's how you do it Now.
You can read books about it.
You can read books about it.
You can read scriptures aboutit.
You can read what the mastersaid about it, because all the
masters talked about that andthey all took time to do that
themselves.
That's where their wisdom camefrom, and what's what was in
them is also in you.
You know that the uh or you canfind somebody who can teach you

(47:01):
a method, because there arelike hundreds of methods,
hundreds yeah, I have a few yeah, and but the but the issue
isn't the method.
See if the method it's yourintent.
You know there's a's a Kabir, apoet, who says when the guest
is being searched for and hecalls the guest this feeling

(47:21):
that's inside your inner being,when the guest is being searched
for, it is the intensity of thelonging for the guest that does
all the work.
And he says look at me and youwill see a slave of that
intensity.
What is that intensity?
Heartache.
Heartache is the greatest giftyou've been given because it's
your call to come home and it'snot trauma, doesn't start it.

(47:46):
That's why this notion thattrauma gives you heartache,
that's wrong.
It triggers it.
But heartache is actually yourcall to come home and it's your
call to come home because youdisconnected from it.
Yes, so it's heartache is forwholeness, like thirst is for

(48:07):
water or hunger, it's for foodor tiredness, is for sleep, most
important gift you've beengiven.
Because if it wasn't for theheartache nagging you until you
deal with it, through all ofyour stings, all of your
distractions, nagging you andnagging you and nagging you

(48:27):
again and again and again untilyou deal with it, you would
never find your way back home,ever.
That's why it's such a gift, socelebrate heartache.
Don't judge it, love it, be withit, accept it, sit with it,
embrace it, appreciate it.

That's a very powerful statement.
Right there, heartache is yourcall to come home.

Yeah, I love that, andache, is your call to come
home.

Yeah, I love that.

And everybody uses heartache for more distractions.
Yes, because they haven't beentold clearly enough that all
that's happening there is.
It's not your fault.
This is a normal, natural thingthat happens when you get
disconnected from yourself,which everybody does.
Bring it home, bring it home.
Bring it home.
Sit with the heartache.
Why heartache?

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Because it gets you out of yourhead, makes you simple, grounds
you.
It's also your driving force,it's also your heart calling you
home.
It's also the starting pointfor the journey back to yourself
.
And once you learn to get goodat it, then you'll get sloppy
again and you'll drift, and thenthe heartache will come back

(49:40):
and it'll remind you to comehome again.
Super important.
And it's not cultural, this isbiological.
This is not cultural.
This is not religious, this isnot racial, this is not gender,
this is biological.

Biological roots of wholeness.
And when you do come home, thenjust like what you were saying.
So this is where we get to thepart of this eight-step process
for optimizing your wellness.
When you do come home, youdon't need those dopamine hits,
you don't need, right?

(50:21):
You don't need to eat that foodthat you're addicted to because
you're ignoring the heartache.
You don't need to be drinkingyour alcohol every night because
you're ignoring the heartache,right?

So when you come home, I wouldn't say, even so,
you're ignoring the heartache,right?
So when you come home, Iwouldn't say, even so, you're
ignoring the heartache, butthat's your way of trying to
deal with it.

Yes, yes, or it could be ignoring, right.
So when you pay attention to it, all those other things tend to
not take precedence over yourlife anymore.

Yeah, nothing feels as good as being present in
your own space.
Yeah, nothing, right.
Nothing feels as good aswholeness, nothing feels as good
as presence Nothing, nothing,nothing.
And in that presence anythingis possible.

So part of that process, Udo, would be, you know
, coming into your own breathand feeling that quietness.
Like what else can we do otherthan that, or is that really the
main way to do it?

Stillness, some stillness practice that gets you
inside, into the energy that isyour life.

Yeah.

Or the energy that you are, or that's your divine
self, whatever you call that.
After that, you just do whatneeds to be done.
You just help where you can.
You know, if you think aboutpurpose, you know people, a lot
of people, struggle with what'smy purpose and what should I do
and how should I live.

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Two purposes.
Number one purpose find yourway back home so that you can
live in the fullness of your ownexistence.
And the second purpose is helpwhere you can.
It's that simple Right Now.
Whether you have depends onwhat you.
How you help, depends on thecircumstances and depends on

(52:18):
your talents and your, yourexperiences and your, your
knowledge.
Right?
But the first purpose and allthe masters said do this first
come home to the divine withinyour being.
Every human being has thatdivine insight.
It's the master.
In fact.

(52:39):
I'll tell you another story, howI came up with this.
The war helped, you know,psychedelics helped.
But I got to a point.
At one point it was 1970, so Iwas 28.
And I had thought one day.
It just occurred to me nobodyremembers my grandfather.

(53:00):
He hasn't been dead for 50years.
I don't even remember his name.
He died before I was born, so Inever knew him, but nobody
remembers this guy and they'restill talking about this Jesus
guy 2,000 years later.
So I come from a Christianculture.
So could have been Buddha,Could it be Christian, Could
have been anybody.

Right.

So.
So I said, well, there musthave been something about him,
and I don't know what it is, butI want to know.
What did he feel?
Yeah, that made him able tolive like he did, speak like he
did, do what he did.
I want to have that feeling.

(53:39):
Nobody ever said you can't havethat feeling.

No.

Right, and so I started trying to figure it out.
Well, the only thing you haveavailable to you 2,000 years
later is the Bible.
So I got the Bible.
It's called the Red LetterEdition.
Everything Jesus says is in redink.
Everything else in the Bible isin black ink, so that gets you

(54:05):
focused.

I like the focus.

I wanted to know what the master was about.
I didn't care about the historyand all of the Old Testament
stuff Although I mean, I'm notsaying there's not good stuff in
it but that's not what I wantedI wanted to know what the
master was okay, and so Istarted reading it.
And one of them is what you havedone to one of the least of
these that you have done to me.
I was like, well, what doesthat mean?

(54:26):
And to me, the only way thatthat makes sense is that I am in
them too, right.
If what you have done to one ofthe least of these that you
have done to me, I am in you, Iam in them, I am in everyone,
right?
Or the kingdom of heaven iswithin you.

(54:49):
Yeah, heaven, that's where allthe good stuff is supposedly
Right.
Yep, we get it after you die.
Why can't you be in it whileyou're alive?
because if it's within you, it'salready there it's there but
then you got it, then you got togo there, then you got to bring
your focus there right.
So I started doing that and Iput little things to the test

(55:09):
and I had some really coolexperiences like it was a real
good adventure.
And then this group ofChristians came up the coast
from California, calledthemselves the Jesus People's
Army.
And that should have been awarning to me, because army is
not a real good word for me.

Yeah, right, because I came out of a war,
right yeah.

But I missed the cue.
I got the idea oh, these guysmust be trying to figure out
what I'm trying to figure out.
So what will happen is we'llall get together, we'll all
share our stories and ouradventures and we'll all leave
enriched Right and continue onour journey.
So they had a coffee house andI decided to visit their coffee

(55:49):
house and I walked in.
I sat down at a table coffeehouse and I walked in.
I sat down at a table and themoment I sat down, this other
guy swooped in to the chair nextthe other chair next to the
table at the table, and I lookedhim in the eyes.
I didn't introduce myself and Ijust said to him it must be
possible to see God and live.
You know, because God iseverywhere, so God's got to be

(56:13):
inside too.
Everywhere means everywhere.
Right Must be possible to seeGod live.
And there were stories in theBible about people who saw God
and lived.
We were told if you see God,you die.
And I think well, let's see,he's my father, he loves me
unconditionally, he wants allthe best for me and if I look at
him he kills me.
What the hell is that Right?

(56:34):
So there are things that didn'tmake sense to me, that we were
told yeah.
So I said that to him, right,and I thought this is a good
thing, good way to start aconversation.
Well, he jumped out of hischair and his arms were flailing
around in the air and he yelledat me.
He said you're from the devilYou're from.

(56:55):
The Antichrist, get out.

Oh my gosh.

And this is the love of Jesus, right, anyway?
So I go slinking out of thereand I'm standing on the sidewalk
and I'm really confused.
I said, holy smokes, Maybe Ishouldn't have asked that
question, maybe I'm askingquestions I'm not supposed to
ask, and I got really confused.
And what I used to do in thosedays this was in 1970, right,

(57:22):
whenever I got confused in thecity and it all got too much for
me, I would go out in naturejust to clear my head.
Yes, because the pace is slower.
So I hitchhiked to the westcoast of Vancouver Island,
stayed on a beach for theweekend.
There was nobody on the beachexcept me.
It was beautiful and somebodyhad draped plastic over logs and

(57:43):
made a little dwelling.
So I said okay, well here's myretreat for the weekend and I
went into this dwelling, I wentto sleep and in the middle of
the night I woke, bolt uprightfrom dead asleep, and there was
this being made of light.
No words, no labels, just abeing made of light.

(58:09):
Couldn't tell if it was male orfemale, couldn't tell if it was
old or young, but it embodied amessage.
It didn't say the message, itembodied a message and I could
put words to the message.
The words were I am come not tojudge but to love.
I am come not to judge but tolove.

(58:30):
And instantly all of myconfusion and my desperation
evaporated.
I have never had a questionwhat the master's message was.
I am come not to judge but tolove.
I don't know.
Can you sum up the message ofChrist any closer any better

(58:52):
than that?
I don't know.
I can't I have come not to judgebut to love.
And then it's like that's themessage of the masters to
humanity, but that is also themessage of life to your body
Unconditional love, withoutjudgment.
And then I just like it mightblow.

(59:15):
And then it was like, okay, Iwant to be able to live in that
experience and that's what ledme to do the stillness practice,
and they all did stillnesspractices.
You know there's lots ofstories about Jesus going off
into the mountains and 40 daysin the desert by himself, into a
quiet place with nodistractions.

(59:36):
Well, you know, these guys likebuddha and christ and they were
not different from us.
We say, we're told they'redifferent, but that's a, that's
a control trip by an institution.
They weren't different.
What was different is they tookthis inner stillness seriously
and we mostly dabble in it.

(59:57):
And when you go to that innerstillness you get insights and
inspiration that comes fromthere.
I agree that are always there,but you have to go there to find
it.
I agree, and so if you're justfollowing them around and
memorizing the words, that's notthe same as having your own

(01:00:18):
personal experience of thatpowerful reality, of that
presence.
There's no way to save theworld and there's no way to run
the world in a sustainable waythat isn't based on you first

(01:00:39):
finding your peace and yourunconditional love within
yourself, because that changeshow you live into the world.

Sandy Kruse (01:00:48):
I agree.

Udo Erasmus (01:00:49):
You know, when we say, oh, we got to fix up the
environment and we got to fix upwhatever it is, that's that,
that is the new fad that we needto all focus on.
We're not going to fix theenvironment if we're not
connected.
You know, because the reasonwe're destroying the environment
is because we're discontent,and we're discontent because we

(01:01:10):
disconnected from ourselves andthere's no way.
So when we connect, you know,when I feel peace, I literally
see peace everywhere.
You know, the entire universeunfolds in peace, including when
galaxies blow up, andeverything it takes place in
unconditional peace.
It takes place in perfect peaceand the peace is not affected

(01:01:32):
by any of it.
Peace is just a container.
It's a dimensionless containerin which everything unfolds.
Your existence unfolds in thatcontainer and the entire
universe unfolds in that samecontainer.

Okay.
So, I have questions.
Yeah, I have questions.
All right, I have questionsbecause you know, you see, now
people are highly triggered,highly triggered.
And you know, I just had a bitof a light bulb moment when you

(01:02:06):
were talking and I'm like mygosh, if we could somehow teach
all these people, who are alwaystriggered by all these things
going on, just to come to theircenter, come to that peace, like
you said, come home, therewould be no more triggering,
there would be no more of thatfighting, there would be no more

(01:02:27):
.
You know, it's so big right now.
Udo, I don't know how muchyou're on social media, but
people are so triggered all thetime.
But if they just come home andyou know, I'm with you on that,
because I guess I've done a lotof mindfulness practices for

(01:02:48):
many, many years now I feel likethat's where I find my
inspiration for creativity, forthe things that you know how you
talk about, that fire in yourbelly that fuels your fire.
It's when I'm at peace.
I go for my walk with my dog, Isit on a log in the forest and
I just listen to the sounds.

(01:03:09):
I'm like people take yourheadphones off.
Take your headphones off whenyou're in nature.
Don't listen to that podcast,don't listen to my podcast.
People take your headphones off.
Take your headphones off whenyou're in nature.
Don't listen to that podcast.
Don't listen to my podcast.
Take listen to my.
I'm like no, no, no, onlylisten to my podcast, maybe when
you're cooking or cleaning.
Okay, when you're in nature,just be present.

(01:03:29):
And then I come home and I feelthat love and I feel that
inspiration and it's almost likenature calls me.
It's like okay, sandy, you'regetting a little unhinged over
all the things that are going onall around you.
Come back home.
So this is so powerful andreally what you're saying.

(01:03:51):
If you can somehow figure outhow to do this, come home, then
all the other things in yourlife will fall more into place.

Yeah, well, that's what?
Yeah, that's another one of thequotes Seek first the kingdom,
and all else shall be added untoyou, and so, and they always
said to put it first and wealways put it last, we do
everything else first.
We do this and that and that,and this and this and that, and
then we maybe do it as a lastresort, and that's why we're

(01:04:26):
messing up everything, you know,in ourselves, with each other
and in the world.

Right, how long have you been this Zen?
How long have you been this Zen?
Is this since 1970 that you'vebeen like this?

Well, you know, 1970, that experience was, that
was my, that completely reset mylife.

Yeah.

Completely reset my life.
Yeah, completely reset my life.
But I never told anybody aboutit because it was my question
and my answer and I thought thatwas really important for me
because I came out of a war andso this was my way of finding my
way yeah, yeah.
And and because people weren'tinterested in that, changed for

(01:05:16):
me 9-11, 9-11.

Interesting.

You know what happened 9-11?
.

Yes, of course.

I was.
I was already working with oilsand I was doing lots of media
stuff and my take home from 9-11, my take home from 9-11, we
were actually we were whitewaterrafting that day, me and my
kids.

Yeah.

And so we saw the plane hit the tower.
In the morning, when we got upand turned on the TV, we had an
appointment on the river at 10.
So we left that behind.
The river was not affected.
This is like the thing thathappened to me, just because of
the way the situation the riverwas not affected, the sky was
not affected, the clouds werenot affected, the trees were not

(01:06:00):
affected, the slopes the slopes, you know, in the canyon were
not affected.
So I got like a space from that, the event of 9-11.
And the take-home for me was,you know, discontent people,
which is almost everybody,because contentment comes from

(01:06:23):
connection inside, not evenconnection outside, but
connection inside.
Discontent people will alwaysspread discontent.
And if people who are contentand I claim to be one of those
people if we don't do more tospread contentment than the
discontent people do, to spreaddiscontent, guess where we're

(01:06:46):
headed?
That was my take home and thenit was like, okay, that was in
2001.
So from 1970 to 2000, from 1970to 2001, I didn't talk to
anybody about it and then it waslike, okay, this needs to
become part of the conversation.
The journey to contentment, thejourney to peace.

(01:07:09):
Real peace has to be real andto embody that.
This has to become part of theconversation.
And then I had to begin to tryand figure out.
How do I even talk about this?
Yes yes, and so I then startedtalking about it.
So I started talking about itin 2001.

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Quietly, I talk about it moreloudly now because I see I'm not
doing enough.
I'm not doing enough and peoplein generally the world is not
doing enough to go fromdiscontent to contentment.
It's still more about money andfame and power and all of this
stuff.

And only science.
You can't end, just science.

Well, science is like a religion.
Now.

Well, this is yeah, I was going to say Udo, because
last year I went to aconference.
It was a very science-yconference, a lot of biohackers
and a lot of really smart people, a lot of doctors, and I
lectured there and it was calledthe journey to wellness and

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within that okay, it's notexactly what you're saying, but
it was not just about sciencehow did you biohack your way
into health again when youweren't healthy, right?
So it's like take the peptides,do the IV therapy.
You get what I'm saying, and mytalk was about stuff that was

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not science, and so some peoplekind of looked at me funny and
went okay, I think you'retalking about technology, and
most of the people who biohackare discontent.

I think you're talking about technology, and
most of the people who biohackare discontent.
Discontent because they haven'tdone their homework, the
homework that all of the reallywise guys that people are still
talking about thousands of yearslater recommended that we do,
because your body will crap outone day.
Anything that has form willlose its form.

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The only thing that will notlose its form is anything that
has no form to begin with.
So what in you will survive?
Your physical death is thepeace, is the love, is the
inspiration.
Those will survive your deathand those are the essence of

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your being.
You know, if I say to you, hey,listen, whose body is that?
I pointed you, what would beyour answer?

Mine.

Mine.
Yeah, it's my body.

My body.
Everybody would say that yeah.

Yeah, yes, you just busted yourself.
You're not the body.
You live like you're the body.
We all live like we're the body, but you've just told me you're
not the body, you're the ownerof the body, and the body is
your property, your possession,my body, right?
So if?

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If that's true, then who areyou as the owner of the body?

Oh geez, you're getting deep on me.

No life owns the body Right.
So you, in your essence, areactually life, you're the owner
of the body.
How well do you know yourselfas life, the owner of the body?
And most people would have tosay almost not at all, because
we never go, we never go and getit, we never take the time to

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get in touch with that energy,that solar energy, that is life
energy, that is Christ energy,that is unconditional love, that
is Buddha energy, krishnaenergy, that is master energy,
that is unconditional love, thatis Buddha energy, krishna
energy, that is master energy,that is the master in your body.
That runs the whole show.
And we're not in touch with that.
Well, you know, if you don'tknow who you are, how would you

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know how to live?
You know, if you don't knowwhether you're a table or a
chair, you don't know whetheryou should put a plate on
yourself or somebody should siton you, right?

Yep.

And so yeah.

Well, so you know, really, the fact is is that I
think you know there's differentnames for it too.
What you're speaking of, youknow it's your internal being,
your essence, the spirit within,and I am a big believer that
optimizing your wellness is whenyou can marry really all the

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facets.
But it begins in here, so itstarts in here, and then you eat
well.
Then you eat well, then you doright.
So yeah.
Okay.

So let me go through them.
Yeah, Number one core is I callit internal awareness, but you
could call it presence, youcould call it lots of things.

Okay.

That's where peace lives.
Peace is the solar energy thatis unconditional, empowering
love.
That's number two.
Number three is the shine ofthat love into the world, which
I call inspired purpose.
I like that's the positive partof mind.
Then Then you get the physicalbody.

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That's about food and fitnessand rest and activity and detox
and detox, and that's the onewhere most people focus on if
they're talking about health.
But it's not enough.

Nope.

And then number five.
I call it survival smarts orprotective mind.
That's your protection from theworld around you.
So that's about survival skills, but it's also about feeling
the calm that you need in thestorm, and that calm, of course,

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is the first part of it.

Yeah, goes back to number one, right.

How does a person run into a burning house to save
the people that are going to bekilled?
You have to have a certainamount of, you have to be able
to get into a state, and thestate that the hero gets into is
a state that is even his bodymay perish, but he knows that he

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, but his, his essence isindestructible right so you go
in, you need to do what you haveto do.
So that's number five.
Number six is social group,seven is natural environment and

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eight is infinite awareness,which is the same as internal
awareness.
Only when you recognize, whenyou go into the internal
awareness, you recognize thatawareness goes from your core
out to infinity.
It is not restricted by thedimensions of your body.
Those are the eight Now.

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Each one of those has adifferent nature, has a
different function, needs adifferent kind of attention on a
regular basis, goes off in adifferent way and responds to a
different kind of intervention,goes off in a different way and
responds to a different kind ofintervention and if you want to
live a whole life, you need togive each one of those eight its

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due.
That's why you need to take timefor stillness, to feel the
peace, to feel the love, to getthe insights.
All my insights come fromquietness.
Einstein once said 99 times Ithink and think, and think and I
get nothing.
And then I shut up and I swimin silence.
That's what he said.

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I swim in silence and theanswer comes to me.
That's how he did his work.
That's where inventions comefrom, that's where insights come
from, that's where the sciencecomes from.
Science is not on the outside.
You know, if you can beobjective outward, you can be
objective inward.

Yeah.

So, and science is based on observation, and what
you focus on is what you'regoing to observe.
And what you observe you'regoing to learn, and then that
becomes your knowledge base.
Focus inside for what's inside,focus outside for what's
outside.
But if you want constancy inyour life and you want stability

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in your life, it's not in theworld of change, because
everything is changing, it's theworld of change.
Seasons change, the leaveschange, the colors change, the
movement changes things.
You want stability in your life, you have to go to your
foundation, because you have astable foundation in that peace,
in that contentment.
So those are the eight parts,and I actually called it the

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book on total sexy health,because I was trying to use sexy
as the power word, because it'sthe power word.
It is trying to use sexy as thepower word.
Because it's the power word.
It is everything sold by it.
But I wanted to use sexy tosell people on their own
magnificence.
I think that that would havebeen a good, but it didn't work
out.
That was not.
It didn't work out, it kind oftrivialized.

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The topic is what?

happened?

ah, yes, I could see that yeah, and so it was a
good experiment.
I learned a lot from it, and soI have to rewrite all of that.
But yeah, it's amazing thatwhat is in us.

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I've been doing a practice nowfor over 50 years.

Yeah.

Because I got from.
Oh my God, this was anincredible experience.
Then it was like it started tobecome a memory and I was saying
what do I have to do to stay inthat experience?
Yeah, and that question led meto someone who said the peace
you search for is within you.
I can reveal to you that peace.
That was interesting to me.
I didn't think he could becausehe was 14 and I was 30 and but

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I was interested in peacebecause I came out of a war.
I said well, I'll check it out.
I don't think he can.
If he can, I don't want to missit.
If he can't, I'll just keeplooking.
And then I learned a method andliterally it's.
You know, the method is.
It's just, the method is amethod.
It's a good method.

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Basically, sit down, get quiet,bring your awareness inside.
What do you see, what do youhear?
What do you taste?
What do you feel?

Start there.

Yeah, it's always about a stillness practice.
You want to fix the environment, do less.
When we had the lockdowns, theair got clean over China.
The dolphins returned to thecanals in Venice that were
polluted.

Yeah.

They weren't, boats weren't driving around, so the
water got cleaner.
In Vancouver, you know, theflowers were brighter in their
colors, and we did that by doingless, not by doing more.
Yeah, so it's not like this isthe next big project.
Oh, yeah, yeah, environment, do, do, do, do, do, no, no, do

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less do less except maybe planttrees and and see if we can't do
.
Do intelligent water management,yeah, to take water from where
there's too much to wherethere's too little.
It's actually not a bad project.
It was started in 1910, andthen they gave up on it.
They had built a grid systemfor all of North America to

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prevent droughts of water, anirrigation system.
We still need it.

Yeah, this has been such a great conversation, udo,
you're just so wise and such apleasure to talk to.

Can I say one more thing?

Absolutely.

I was talking about state of being.
Whatever your state of being oryour state of emotions is, will
automatically come toexpression.
So if my state of being ispeace, then literally I'll live
into a peaceful world because Iwill see peace everywhere.
But if I'm angry, I will seeenemies, so I will live into a

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world of enemies and I willcreate enemies by my anger, so I
will create a world that lookslike my state of being you know
in my sphere of influence, andif I'm afraid or fearful, then
I'm going to see danger, andI'll see danger even if there

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isn't any, and I'll start sayingwhat if?
What if an asteroid that's 18miles across and going at 18,000
miles an hour?
What if it's coming down andit's heading for my head?
Right, I mean, I could right.

Yeah, totally.

What if?
And then I'm going to.
And then what do I?
Oh my God, what do I need to doto prevent that from happening?
Well, I got to look at the skya lot, so I better take my roof
off right and I better be in aflat place where I can run like
hell.
Yeah, right, or I, maybe, gee,is there a way I could blow up

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the asteroid, or you know.
And then you start fantasizingabout all of these things.
It all came out of you beingfearful.

Totally.

And imagining something into place.
So if I'm fearful, I willcreate a world filled with fear.

Yep.

So if we want to build a world of real peace and
unconditional love, we need tobegin by embodying that.
Those states of being yes,right, and so everything that
needs to be done on the planetrequires us first to change our

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state of being to somethingthat's already within us, but
deeper than we've gone and morebeautiful and more magnificent
and more awesome than we'veexperienced.
That's the cure for everyproblem on the planet.

Yeah.

Yeah, every problem on the planet came from not
doing that and every problem onthe planet will get made better
from us doing that.

More Beautiful, Beautiful, All right, Udo, where
can we find you?
Is there anything that you know?
You haven't?
You wanted to say that youdidn't get to say.
You know, where can someonefind you?

yeah, well, uh, okay, that's the wrong question,
of course, because what youreally need to do is find
yourself okay, right, okay, butsomeone might want to find you
too.

You're a very wise person yeah, then what?

I don't know and you're're going to write on my
coattails.
You should be writing on yourown.
We could learn from you?
No, because the wisdom you have, that same wisdom within you.

Yeah.

You know, where do I go for that wisdom?
I'm not going to experts on theoutset, I'm going to the place
where that wisdom lives withinme.

You gave us the answer right, but you've also
done a lot of other great things.

You've written some books.
If you talk about oils andenzymes and probiotics, which
are the most important forphysical health, yeah uh, you go
to udoschoicecom u d-o-schoicecom and we talk about why
we did it and how we did it yeahand you find the products in
the health food stores.

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If you're more interested inthis kind of stuff, I've got
beginnings of a website.
It's called theudocomT-H-E-U-D-Ocom, and I have some
psychology stuff on it.
It's a mess, it's a work inprogress stuff on it.

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It's a mess, it's a work inprogress.
And the book the physical book,is called Fats that Heal, Fats
that Kill.
The book about human nature iscalled the Book on Total Sexy
Health the Eight Key PartsDesigned by Nature.
Yeah, that's here's the otherone.

That's a kill.
It's a good one, you guys.
I kept it, of course.

And I have a YouTube channel and I'm on
Instagram and I'm on Facebook.

Awesome.

I'm not hard to find because my name is weird
Udo U-D-O.
It's not even a four-letterword.
If you punch Udo in Google, Icome up on the first page.

There you go.

Very few Udos in the world.
Udo Erasmus, I'm not hard tofind.

You're so lucky.

But just remember, finding me is okay, but finding
yourself is what really is thefocus.
Beautiful that you need to takeseriously.

Beautiful Because you're awesome.

Because you are awesome, you are magnificent,
and what a shame to end yourlife before you've discovered
how incredible it is just to beyou.

Perfect.

That's a beautiful way to end.
Thank you Singing oh my god.

Thank you so much, udo.
I loved our chat, thank you.
Thank you.
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