May 20, 2024 • 58 mins
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When the spotlight hits, the heart races; it's the thrill of the stage, the power of a story well-told. That's precisely the electrifying energy Tamar Greene, our star guest who's currently donning the revolutionary boots of George Washington in the Broadway hit "Hamilton," brings to this episode. Tamar isn't just a performer; he's a first-generation American with a tale of resilience, a beacon of social advocacy, and a tech-savvy maestro who weaves his cultural tapestry into every note he sings. Our candid conversation traverses the many layers of his life—from the rhythms of his dual heritage to his work with HAM for Progress, diving into how his academic pursuits in Music and Computer Information Systems lend a distinctive timbre to his artistic voice.
Every artist's journey is marked by personal crescendos and cadenzas, and Tamar's is no different. We share a laugh over the humbling experience of mastering a manual transmission, and Tamar bares his soul about the metamorphosis from backstage jitters to center stage triumphs. His insights on fatherhood resonate with anyone trying to juggle life's many roles, underlining the beauty and growth found in life's upheavals. Moreover, Tamar's story echoes the sentiment that challenges—be it a high-stakes performance or the intimate release of a personal music album—are merely stepping stones to our greatest versions.
Wrapping up our heart-to-heart, Tamar pulls back the curtain on the less glamorous side of the limelight. From vocal mishaps to financial faux pas, he shares the wisdom gleaned from each stumble and the fortitude to rise again. It's a testament to the passion that fuels the performing arts, where ambition meets authenticity. As Tamar discusses his harmonious dance between opera and musical theater, his soul's resonance with the latter, and his aspirations for sharing his gifts, we're reminded that the journey is as captivating as the destination. So, brace yourself for an episode that strikes a chord and sings to the dreamer in all of us.
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Lisa Hopkins (00:01):
This is the Stop Time Podcast.
I'm your host, lisa Hopkins,and I'm here to engage you in
thought-provoking, motivationalconversations around practicing
the art of living in the moment.
I'm a certified life coach andI'm excited to dig deep and
offer insights into embracingwho we are and where we are at.
So my next guest is currentlystarring as George Washington in
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the Broadway Company ofHamilton.
He has appeared in the Broadwaynational tours of Love Never
Dies, the sequel to Broadway'sPhantom of the Opera, the
Gershwin's Porgy and Bess andBroadway celebration of Harlem's
Golden Age After Midnight, andwas seen as the crab man at the
Spoleto Festival's production ofPorgy and Bess and as featured
singer in the PBS broadcast ofShowboat at Lincoln Center.
(00:51):
He's a proud first-generationAmerican, born of Jamaican and
British parents, and a versatileartist whose musical passions
mirror his eclectic background.
As a writer, arranger,classical pianist and singer, he
combines much of hisinspiration from classical music
, reggae, hip-hop, r&b, bluesand jazz.
His passion for performance andteaching is matched by his
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passion for social and racialjustice.
He's an original member of theHamilton Racial Justice Task
Force, now called HAM forProgress.
Through his work on the taskforce, he has helped to organize
company-wide efforts to raisecensus awareness, increase
national voter registration andput action to the importance of
investing in communities ofcolor.
(01:35):
He holds a Master of Music fromthe Eastman School of Music and
two bachelor degrees from SUNYOswego a BA in Music with a
focus in vocal and pianoperformance, and a BA in
Computer Information Systemsfrom SUNY Oswego a BA in music
with a focus in vocal and pianoperformance and a BA in computer
information systems from SUNYOswego as well.
I am so looking forward togetting to know Tamar Greene.
Welcome, tamar.
Tamar Greene (01:57):
Hello Lisa, how are you doing?
Lisa Hopkins (02:00):
I'm doing well.
I can see you're responding tohearing me read that back, right
?
Tamar Greene (02:05):
Yeah, I was like listening.
I was like actually listeningto the things, I was like oh,
yeah yeah, those are things.
Those are things that happen.
You know, it's been a wild ride.
Lisa Hopkins (02:16):
Yeah Well, sometimes it's nice just to sit
here and honor you for takingthe ride.
I mean, we could talk aboutyour credits and yada yada.
But at this point, here you are, the human, the human behind
the headlines, sitting with me,taking a time to you know.
Remember that you're, you'rereal and I see you.
Tamar Greene (02:37):
Wow, thank you.
I appreciate that.
I really do Like it issometimes rare to to have this
moment of like just being justbeing real, you know, and not
having to, yeah, be anythingelse.
But correct.
Lisa Hopkins (02:51):
Ps, if you've done it, it ain't bragging so and
you did it so, so I do honor you.
I mean, I honor you for them.
It's pretty impressive yeah,well, I appreciate that, yeah so
there's thing, there was onething in your bio that you know,
one thing is not like the other.
I'm so curious.
You know what I'm talking about.
(03:12):
So.
So how's that computerinformation systems thing
serving you?
These?
Tamar Greene (03:16):
days.
You know it is, it was itserves me.
Actually it does serve me.
I've learned a lot about.
I've always grew up lovingtechnology and wanted to learn
more about it.
And I grew up first a musicianand with a family of musicians
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and appreciators of music.
But I always had the tech mind.
I always had the tech mind.
And so when I was going tochoose a college degree, I kind
of just decided to not do themusic thing because I didn't
know what it meant to have acareer in music.
I'm like I'm not going to, I'mgoing to, I'm going to do
something else.
And so I recognized that youknow the tech passion of mine
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and just chose a degree.
Basically, I literally went tothe advisor and like I know
computer something and then sheopened the book and like there
was a ton of computer things andI literally just picked one but
it.
But it served me well.
I learned a lot of coded.
I've done database management.
Actually, after I graduatedfrom Oswego I actually got a job
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as a tech support manager for alittle bit before I went to my
master's program.
So you know, I got some of thatexposure and now it helps me
with audio engineering andthings like that, because I
understand that world.
Or working with the crew at ashow or something like that and
understanding what they needwhen they tell me to take care
of my mics your well is so deep.
Lisa Hopkins (04:44):
Where does that come from?
Where does this I get the sensefrom you?
I don't tell me to take care ofmy mics.
Your well is so deep, wheredoes that come from?
Where does this, this I get thesense from?
I don't know you, but just Idid.
You know, I did some research,obviously, and I'm getting the
sense that your well runs sodeep, of what you're interested
in, where you could go talk tome.
Where does that come from?
Tamar Greene (05:02):
oh, oh, that's a good question.
I think that comes from.
I think, honestly, comes frombeing a first generation
American.
I think I have a.
I've bonded often and I love tobond with other first
generation Americans, no matterwhere they come from, because we
have similar stories of ourparents being from somewhere you
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know solidly from there andthey're immigrants here.
We carry that culture here, butwe also recognize that we are
raised in a different cultureand so we play this game of
trying to figure out all thethings and understand all things
, uh, while trying to be ourparents, you know, like whatever
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country you know, and also bealso American enough in a way,
you know, and so it's like it'sjust, it's this weird dichotomy
of really loving where I, wheremy history is and my you know
ancestral history, but alsowanting to establish myself here
and be that goal that my, youknow, the dream that my parents,
our parents, wanted, you know.
So I think I really feel likethat's probably where that comes
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from, with me wanting to devourthe world and devour
information.
Lisa Hopkins (06:12):
That's the right word.
I mean, yeah, it's like ahunger, right, it's like yeah it
really is.
Tamar Greene (06:17):
I, even when I, when I did the opera stuff, I'm
like I love languages and I wantto I want to learn everything I
can about these languages, andso I studied a lot of these
different languages and I'minterested in that and, um, when
I find something new andtechnology wise, I like to learn
that.
Even when I first learned howto drive, I was like I don't
want to drive, I don't know howto drive stick shift, so I
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bought a stick shift.
Lisa Hopkins (06:42):
Of course you did.
Tamar Greene (06:44):
Like I was like what kind of fool just buys a
stick shift but don't know howto drive it.
Because I wanted to learn it, Iwanted to know its secrets, you
know, and that's kind of whatdrives me.
Lisa Hopkins (06:56):
Wow, you know it's very unique because someone
else might be telling me from asimilar background, might be
telling me something completelydifferent, Like they might be
saying to me no, I'm firstgeneration and I'm honoring my
parents brought me here.
You know, they went through alot of stuff and you know it's
difficult because, I mean, youknow your perspective is so wide
open.
It's so.
You know, I feel like youunderstand, you understand the
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privilege of coming and thatthat does honor your parents,
right, but you don't.
But you also don't.
I can't, I can't put my fingeron it.
You're tremendously talented,right, but it seems like you're
good at everything you do.
Is that true?
Is that fair to say?
Tamar Greene (07:38):
uh, that's a tough question ask me.
I don't know um I I do the bestcan Put hubris aside, seriously
put hubris aside, and do youfeel like?
Lisa Hopkins (07:46):
do you and I truly mean this as an interested
person Like do you, when youapproach stick shift when you
bought the car, was the voice inyour head saying, well, I don't
know how to do it, but I canfigure it out?
Or was it saying I'm going toget this, I'm going to learn how
to do this thing, because Idon't know how to do it?
Where do you come from?
Tamar Greene (08:08):
Yeah, I think those two sentences actually
coexist.
Yeah, I think when I findsomething I don't know how to do
, I definitely am like I'm goingto figure it out.
I talk a lot about how I grewup very shy, incredibly
crippling, crippling shy, and ittook me a while to get there.
But where I am now, obviouslyit's like no one would ever
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imagine that I was a super shykid.
You know the way I'm on stageand do this, do this, the acting
in this career.
But like I was and the way Italk about it with kids, I'm
like I actually use it.
Right, they talk about fight orflight.
Lisa Hopkins (08:48):
Yeah.
Tamar Greene (08:48):
And I truly do.
I like that fight Right LikeI'm scared.
It scares the hell out of me.
So I'm going to do it.
I remember, I remember my my dayview of Hamilton and I was, I
was like frightened.
I was like everyone knows thismassive musical right, everyone
knows it, everyone knows all thewords.
I'm really good at messing upwords and so I was like, after
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doing all of my you know weeksand weeks of rehearsal and stuff
like that, I did the hard workand then I remember standing
stage left about to walk onto myfirst lines and like my brain
started freaking out when Iforgot all my words and I was
like no, no, breathe and justtake that step.
You got this.
You got this, you know.
So I love to conquer that stage, right.
(09:35):
I always, even when I do mysolo concerts and stuff like
that I'm like it scares me tostand on stage and do a solo
concert and talk about myself.
I'm like, what if they hatemyself?
What scares me to stand onstage and do a solo concert and
talk about myself?
I'm like what if they hatemyself?
What if they don't like me, youknow?
And I'm like, just do it, justdo it and conquer it, because
then you're that much better.
Yeah, you know so.
Yeah, so it is.
Yeah.
So with driving, yeah, thestick shift, I get it.
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I'm like I can figure it out.
I know I can, I know I'm smartenough to figure it out.
I know I can figure out prettymuch.
Anything Like that's what Ifeel when I go into it, and if I
fail, then whatever.
But I'm going to.
I think I'm pretty.
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think I'm pretty good at alot of things and I'm sure I can
do it.
Lisa Hopkins (10:14):
Well, is there something now that's kind of you
know your next conquest?
Is there something else that'sreally exciting to you that you
haven't tried or that you can'tdo, or you think you know
haven't done?
Tamar Greene (10:27):
um, let me see, I, I, I think the my, I guess my
next it's like this loomingproject is is my album.
That is, that has been alooming project of mine that I I
actually haven't been able toconquer quite yet, not giving up
on it yet, obviously.
But I make little steps hereand there and I'm working on it
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with friends and doing differentarrangements and things like
that.
But I can't quite yet figureout how exactly I want to
release this project to theworld or do what to put on that
project.
But that is my looming thing,that I'm like I need to conquer
this and I'm excited about it.
It also stresses me out.
Lisa Hopkins (11:10):
For sure.
What do you do when you'restressed out about something
like that?
Do you put it off or do you goharder?
What do you do?
Tamar Greene (11:19):
Yeah, I do.
Sometimes, to be honest, I doput it off.
I'm sometimes as good as I tryto be and better as I try to be
honest, I do put it off, I do.
I'm sometimes as as good as Itry to be and better as as I try
to be with managing stress.
I sometimes am.
I used to joke that I am theone I do cry over spilled milk
sometimes, like if I was toliterally drop a gallon of milk
in my kitchen I would be reallyannoyed and walk away.
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I'd come back but I definitelywould be really angry and like
ah, it's everywhere I got it.
Ah, and it's going to.
Ah, it's under the stove.
Oh, my gosh.
Lisa Hopkins (11:54):
I love that, but you probably need that every now
and then.
Right, you should go break somebottles of milk.
Tamar Greene (12:01):
Maybe, maybe I should.
To conquer that right, justspill some milk no, that's,
that's a great catch.
Lisa Hopkins (12:06):
Right of noticing what, of noticing what you do,
hey?
So I I'm guessing life ispretty busy for you right about
now, with what?
Eight shows a week being georgeand then 24 7 being dad yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, it is.
Tamar Greene (12:24):
Uh, it is a wild time.
Uh, my son is now, uh, will be11 months in two days.
Almost a year and it's been awild year.
I've been really trying to talkabout conquering challenges.
I've been really trying to showup eight shows a week because
I'm passionate about what I do,I love to do what I do and this
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baby has been a nice littlechallenge of what can I do on no
sleep?
How's my brain still work?
Does it still work?
Can I do even the other thing?
I mean cause I do so many otherthings, sometimes outside of
side of the shows yeah, um, soit's been an interesting year
with this beautiful little humanwho has us exhausted, my wife
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and I, all the time.
So it is.
It is a beautiful thing, thoughit really is a.
It is a beautiful thing and Ifeel like you know, when you're
on, you're driving and you makea different turn and it says
recalculating.
I feel like my spirit isconstantly recalculating, like
my.
My brain is recalculating.
Lisa Hopkins (13:31):
That's interesting .
Tamar Greene (13:33):
Yeah.
Lisa Hopkins (13:34):
Yeah.
Tamar Greene (13:34):
It's like I can feel.
I can feel the change.
You know like I'm growing withmy child.
Lisa Hopkins (13:41):
Yes.
Tamar Greene (13:43):
It's, it's, it's a bizarre thing, thing.
It's a bizarre thing to to yeah, to go through it's, it's so
real.
Lisa Hopkins (13:51):
The thing about a child is that you can't like
conquer it, like do you know?
You can't get like like, you'vegot to go with the flow.
And it's true.
I love that there's like thisconscious recalibration that
you're having of likesomething's, something shifting.
Does that scare you at all?
Like, does it make you likewhat comes up for you when you
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feel that?
Tamar Greene (14:27):
he was here, we would kind of get into the cycle
of you know what we're going todo to raise him right.
What music should?
We play while he's in utero,like all the you know what would
make him the smartest?
How do we teach an infant mathand want him to be a savant and
do you know all this, all thisstuff, we get into the weeds,
even like food.
Right, we're like in thiscountry where there's so much,
so many toxins and foods andthings.
What can't we feed them what?
No, we shouldn't have that.
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No, don't do this.
No, we can't warm it up.
A bottle of a microwave?
No, don't do that.
Okay, we're going to do thisone.
And it gets overwhelming.
It really does get overwhelming.
And like we, we, we are humansof the world.
Right, we, we, didn't haveknowledge of it.
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Our parents didn't haveknowledge of a lot of these
things.
Not that, not that we can't tryto do better, right.
But with that knowledge, weknow that we can't.
We're not going to ruin thischild because we're okay, let's,
you know, let's let's go to thefoundation that we're okay and
we'll try to do better withcertain things that's hard to
check back in on.
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It takes a little while ofspiraling to come back and be
like okay, I'm getting a littleoff.
Lisa Hopkins (15:36):
It's normal and it's par for the course.
But you're absolutely right,they are the most resilient.
They're going to savethemselves.
Tamar Greene (15:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's why they, you know they.
Lisa Hopkins (15:48):
They get what they want.
They get what they need.
I mean, there are survivalmachines.
Talk about fight or flight.
Right, I mean, they arefighting, fighting, fighting for
survival.
They don't have the consciousbrain that we've developed yet
that tells us this is good, thisis bad, it's just like no, I
want food, I need to sleep.
I'm going to scream until I getit.
Tamar Greene (16:05):
I'm going to scream until I get it.
And too bad about you.
Right, I'm selfish,unapologetically.
I don't even know what selfishmeans.
Lisa Hopkins (16:14):
Exactly.
I came across something thatyou said Actually you said about
, I think, when you wereresearching George Washington,
and it stood out you said thatwe only know him for his wins,
but he's only there because ofhis failures, which is a great
catch, right, and that goes fora lot of well-known folks, and I
just kind of want to ask youwhat gifts have you received
(16:38):
from your failures?
What learnings?
Tamar Greene (16:43):
learnings.
Ooh, yeah, okay, let me think alittle bit on that one.
Um, I I'd say I've had.
Okay, I'll answer first withthe first thing in my mind.
I don't think of, um, maybeearlier things, but I think like
(17:05):
, let's say, like I'm, I'm doingthe show and I'm like not
having a great vocal week, youknow, and that obviously happens
for humans.
And let's say, you're doing abig number, history or whatever,
and like I've had I don't haveto speak in this way I have had
moments where I have not hadgreat vocal weeks and I have
(17:25):
done these big numbers likehistory, where you're singing
kind of the first big note, andthen I had like a big crack
right, and that's one way I'llsay like that's on mine.
You know these are minor things, but that's one way that I
learned.
Actually, I, I used to beespecially with opera, the opera
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background.
I used to be just you'refrightened of, of cracking.
You know, for a tenor, as I wasat least, it was like they live
for the high note at the end.
That is what it is about.
That is what makes you famous.
You know, it has to be pristine.
And so I felt like in incollege they really groom you to
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be like in fear of ever messingup.
Um, that's not reality.
It's, it's truly not reality.
So when it happens, you know,I've seen work with a lot of
different people who, if theywere to have a, have a crack
mid-show, they would.
They would call out second act,you know, and go home and and
(18:29):
then rest for several days andvocal rest scarf on their neck
and then I'll see you next week.
You know, um, and I, you know,for better or worse, I don't
know I, the way I approach itnow and is I, I again strive to
be, to be better and, like,learn around it, because I know
I'm a person have allergies.
Um, I'm allergic to a lot ofdifferent.
(18:50):
I mean cats, dogs, trees,pollens, sawdust, I mean, like
I'm allergic to the world inmany ways.
So like I'm always going to beunder in some way.
I'm always going to be facingsomething extra mucus, going on,
it's always going to besomething.
So it's not feasible for me tojust call it, you know.
So I have to figure it out.
So, if I crack in the middle ofa thing and I'm embarrassed,
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one thing I learned is toforgive myself.
Forgive myself quickly and hard, right, like and, and and move
on yeah and then and figure itout.
You know, if I did that in actone, I'm like, okay,
recalibrating, you know I haveto, I have to approach in act
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two, I have to, you know, maybedo some warm-ups, maybe get some
tea, checking on what I can do.
Don't push so much in thebeginning of this so that I can
have a little bit more gas forthe end.
I'm I'm constantly doing thosecalculations, um, in my mind.
So that that's one thing Ilearned from like making
mistakes, like on stage yeah,yeah, you said there were other.
Lisa Hopkins (19:57):
Are there others?
Tamar Greene (19:58):
yeah, no, I forgot , I said yeah damn it lisa, I
actually really listen.
No, you do, You're really good.
You're really good.
Oh, let me see, yeah, I thinkI've had even like financial
mishaps, right, like things thatI've tried to do that I
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entrusted folks to take care andand they proved that they
weren't able to do that and I,you know, and I lost a lot,
right, I lost like a decentamount of money and I've learned
from.
I learned from that, but I alsolearned from even like like
family members, like watching.
I'm I'm one of 10, I have a lot, of, a lot of siblings.
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My mom was one of nine, so Ihave a lot of like case studies
in my family to be able to watchand see, and so if I'm like,
okay, I see that, I see how thisperson managed money, you know,
like well, it's interesting.
Lisa Hopkins (20:59):
I mean, if I can interrupt you, because, you
don't have to tell me all thedetails.
What I what I find reallyinteresting is that I think what
you're talking about, but maybeyou can clarify you, because
you don't have to tell me allthe details.
What I find really interestingis that I think what you're
talking about, but maybe you canclarify, is that you trusted
that someone would show up in acertain way or that they could
do something, or that they woulddo something.
Is that what you're talkingabout?
That you learned that sometimesthe blind trust is not.
Tamar Greene (21:21):
Yeah, I think the blind trust is not yeah, it's
not, yeah, it's, it's not it.
So what it, in a way I'd say,like it.
It has taught me how to trulybe a little bit more
self-sufficient, to, like, do alittle bit more of my own
research, um, and be moreinvolved in, in all of my
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handlings, right, like even mywhatever what I do.
Now it's like I'm even if Idon't know how to do it, I'm
going to learn to a little bitof accounting and then I'm going
to let my accountant do thething, but I'm going to know
what you're doing.
You know I want to.
I'm going to figure that out.
You know, with my concert workand stuff, like on my own, I was
my own manager for pretty mucheverything and I just now got a
(22:05):
manager, you know because but Ibut now I know how to do all of
the things and I'm only passingit off because I'm too busy, but
I know everything that you'redoing.
You know what I mean yes, I doyeah, so like being aware I've
never.
I'm no longer just like blindly, like trusting close to do
certain things.
I'm involved in everything andI know how to do enough of
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everything to know when it'sright and, importantly, to know
when it's wrong.
Lisa Hopkins (22:31):
That's pretty cool .
So how does control show up?
That sounds to me like controlin a good way.
You're taking control, you wantto take control and you do it
through education.
You do it through picking theright people, and that totally
makes sense.
Why is that important to you?
Why have you found that youneed to do that?
Tamar Greene (22:51):
I think it is because if I, if I'm involved in
it, if I'm because because Iknow that I, I know I have sense
, right, I know I have sensethat I am a smart man, Uh, and,
and I, yeah, and I think it'simportant to have.
I think it's important, I thinkit's important for you to be
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involved and to make thosedecisions.
I've seen, I just have seen alot of people not involved in
their matters whatever mattersit is, whatever it is, and just
have some major failures.
And I'm like, if you only had alittle bit more education on
that, like I feel like you couldhave really been successful at
something you know.
So I just think it's reallyimportant to have maintain that
(23:32):
level of control in your lifeand to make sure you are.
You are the one in charge ofyour own life right, your own
decisions.
Lisa Hopkins (23:39):
You are the one in charge of your own life, right
your own decisions.
Yeah, I would venture to sayit's really responsibility more
than control.
It's not that you're acontrolling person, but Right
right, right right Because.
I'm not hearing you say I blameyou for that and because you
screwed up, I have to do it now.
You're not saying that You'regoing ah, that didn't work, I
trusted it would work.
What can I going?
(24:02):
Ah, that didn't work, I trustedit would work.
What can I learn from this?
Tamar Greene (24:03):
yeah, I can learn how to do it.
I love that.
Right to me, that's it feelsabsolutely yeah, absolutely,
absolutely yeah.
Not, not like a controllingkind of mindset, just like, okay
, I've learned, yep, um, let mebe better at that.
Lisa Hopkins (24:12):
Yeah yeah yeah, absolutely no, that makes sense.
It very cool.
How do you define success?
You know everyone defines itdifferently and maybe it'll
change.
I'm sure it will change.
Tamar Greene (24:29):
But in this moment , what does success look like
for you?
Success, yeah, you're right, itdoes change.
It tweaks a little bit overtime.
But I think the foundation of mydefinition has always been
doing what you love and beingable to sustain your life
through that.
Yeah, you know so, you know, Iused to.
I used to think it was Successis being rich or winning all the
(24:54):
awards or whatever you knowdoing that kind of thing and
having a certain level ofrecognition, whatever you know
doing that kind of thing andhaving a certain level of
recognition.
But like it truly is.
As and as I'm, as I'm gettingolder, I'm like, oh, success
will be like you know, havingbeing able to very comfortably
pay your mortgage on time and umand also go on vacations,
because I love vacation.
Go on a trip, um, you seesomething you like and be able
(25:18):
to purchase it.
You know like, and just livewith peace, peace in your life.
Lisa Hopkins (25:25):
Yeah.
Tamar Greene (25:26):
That would be my yeah, that would be my current
definition of success.
Lisa Hopkins (25:30):
I love it, hey, if we were meeting a year from now
after this conversation and wewere we were.
You're not allergic tochampagne, are you?
Tamar Greene (25:38):
Oh, absolutely not .
Okay, perfect, good we canstill perfect.
Lisa Hopkins (25:41):
Good, we can still be friends.
No, so if we were meeting ayear from now over a bottle of
champagne and you were sayingyou know, lisa, this has been
the most amazing year, what willwe be celebrating?
Tamar Greene (25:55):
Hmm, well, um, we will be celebrating um.
Professionally, I wouldcelebrating a, a new role, like
the ability to creating a newrole, um, from conception, you,
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you know, like something that'sin workshops.
It's exciting to be able topour yourself into a work, in
the origin of a work, you know,and do that work and do that
research, even on the character,and all that like that's very
exciting.
So in a year's time, yeah,let's just toast to that.
I think there's other thingsthat I just um, we just are.
(26:43):
We're in the process of buyinga home, so I'll toast.
I can toast to that now, Iguess.
But nice, congrats, um, thanks,yeah, so we're looking forward
to like having a bit of thatpeace and that joy and having
more space for all for us andthe baby on toast to that too
yeah, very, it's interesting tothink about it.
Lisa Hopkins (27:01):
right, we often go for these things and we know,
like you knew, you knew, you'vegot some things in your mind
about what you'd like to do.
I'm working with my clients, I'malways saying you know, the
words you use are so importantand you know, when I asked you
the question as a future sort ofthing, I love that you said we
will be celebrating.
(27:22):
You didn't say we would be.
There was no.
If there, you're like, we willbe.
I just point that out andthat's the way you roll, like,
like if that's what you want,that's what you're going to get,
that's what you're going to do.
Clearly.
Tamar Greene (27:34):
That's so funny yeah.
Lisa Hopkins (27:47):
I didn't pick up on that myself.
So, yeah, down right,absolutely.
I love it.
So are you?
Would you?
Are you ambitious?
Are you open?
Are you both?
Is it some kind of beautifulalchemy of those two things?
Tamar Greene (27:58):
um, yeah, you're really good.
I like these guys.
It it's so, it's so good, liketo to, just to, to, to talk with
you.
It's like these are such goodquestions.
I'm like man, all right, let me, let me dive in.
It'll take me a second to like,really answer these questions
and I love that.
Um, I, I would say that I am.
(28:18):
I'm definitely ambitious.
I have so much I want to do inthe world, but I'm not rigid in
those things.
So I also am as a kid and didcompetitions and that's pretty
much what I thought I was goingto be.
(28:45):
You know, I wanted to be aconcert pianist at one point and
as I went to school for it, Ipracticed a lot.
Right, I practiced for hours.
You're in a room by yourselfand your piano and you're
practicing a ton and trying tomemorize so much of this, this,
these sonatas and this, thismusic.
(29:05):
I was passionate at that timeabout being successful in that
realm.
But then I started feeling ashift in the world and I was
feeling like, is it actually apiano that I want to do?
And I went to Eastman and Istarted seeing these incredible
pianists like I thought I wasgood, I was pretty decent.
(29:26):
But I've seen these otherpeople were like really truly
incredible.
And I'm like, okay, okay, I'mgonna work.
Um, you know what, let me, letme try a little something else.
I'm gonna shift a shift alittle bit.
People keep telling me aboutthis voice thing.
I'm going to try that out.
And so I've been kind of likeshifting that way.
(29:48):
Like I know, at the foundation Iwanted to share my
interpretation of music with theworld in some way, my passion
for it in some way.
But I've always been open tohow the world will shift me and
change me.
And even when I went to I wentto get my master's in opera, you
know, I was like, okay, this iswhat I'm going to do.
(30:10):
I like, I love this.
Like I said earlier, I lovedevouring languages.
And then I started really trulydiscovering what musical theater
meant to me and what it, whatthe capabilities of it in the
world and and the you know, theacting and things like that.
And I was like, okay, well,maybe I'll learn this actual
(30:31):
thing and try to see if that's,that's it, cause it didn't quite
feel right yet in opera, eventhough I still love doing it, it
wasn't quite right.
So I shifted a bit, but my, Ialways had the still, though,
that ambition of, of success inthis thing.
I want to be the best I can bein this craft where I'm using my
body or my fingers right Forfor uh, uh, interpreting text,
(30:57):
or interpreting music, orsharing with the world.
Lisa Hopkins (30:59):
Yeah.
Tamar Greene (31:00):
Yeah, yeah.
So so, yeah, I do like to.
You know, I always I'm alwaysseeking something, something new
, something fresh.
I'm always seeking that nextthing.
Um, as well, I'm not like, butI'm not bouncing around right,
I've been in Hamilton for likesix years, so like I still.
You know, I love, I love what Ido, but I am always seeking
other things and have thatambition to like.
(31:20):
I want to be seen too.
I want other people to.
I want to share this right.
I want to be seen, but at thesame time, I want to, I want to
share this gift, right.
I do believe it is a, it is agift that is meant to be shared,
and I want to do it withgreater and greater audiences
and connect more with moreartists and be more and more
creative.
Lisa Hopkins (31:40):
Yeah, how does?
How does boredom show up foryou, If at all?
I'm curious.
Tamar Greene (31:46):
How does boredom show up for me?
You know I'm not.
I feel like I.
I feel like sometimes I do havetwo separate brains Like I.
I do feel like like I love to.
You know I am a.
I do feel like like I love to.
You know I am a introvert, Ithink, foundationally with
extrovert tendencies.
So you know, I love to.
(32:07):
I love to go out and minglewith friends, have good
conversations.
I'm also very happy to like siton my couch and devour the next
TV show and just like and beright.
So I'm never I'm never reallylike bored Cause I actually do.
Lisa Hopkins (32:22):
I do enjoy time with myself well, it's a great
segue, because it sounds likeyou really just live in the
moment.
So when you're doing something,you're not thinking about oh,
what am I going to do next?
It doesn't mean that you don'tswirl around, like you shared
with me about you kind of knowthat there's something, there's
more and and.
But I think you've kind ofyou've created a pattern in your
(32:42):
life where that's the waythat's how it happens.
It sounds like there's sometrust around that.
So you maybe don't know what itis.
You're not necessarily hungrilylooking for it.
You know you're not in Hamiltongoing God, you know.
Like what am I going to add?
Or you go to Hamilton and youdo your thing, so you're living
in the moment, clearly right,you're focused on the moment,
which is, you know, that'sdefinitely, I'm all about it,
(33:06):
right?
I mean, that's what it's called,and so I don't even need to ask
you what your definition ofliving in the moment is.
But I am.
I mean, you can give it to meif you want, but you know, I
feel like you're your owncatalyst.
Has there been anything elsethat's ever been a catalyst for
you?
But I get the sense that youcatalyze everything.
You make stuff happen, you gofor it.
Tamar Greene (33:34):
Yeah, I am my own catalyst.
You're right, I certainly am.
But I do that by taking in theworld right and taking in advice
from other people.
Like I'd say, even with goingto do like the Broadway musical
theater, I should say I wouldn'thave, I don't think, if it
(33:57):
wasn't for, like this teacher inschool, miss Watson, just was
like, hey, you might want tolook at the motown, you know
they're doing the thing you're.
I saw you're doing this thing.
Do you want to do that thing?
I'm like oh, yeah, okay, yeah,let me, let me figure out what
that means.
Thank you for that.
Um, yeah, you know.
Or like, uh, my wife, right, we,we met on tour and and she had
(34:22):
been in the business for a fewyears more than I had in the
musical theater business and soshe showed me a lot of the, the
broadway world and what thatmeant and inspired me to do
other things or even likegetting some of the business
stuff together, resume stuff orwhatever it is.
She really helped me with thosethings I've had.
(34:46):
It was a friend actually ofmine, specifically, even in
Hamilton she.
She said like, oh yeah, I thinkyou'd make a good George
Washington and I was like Idon't see it, you know.
But she, she did and and it wasin the back of my mind I was
like, okay, let me go, let mesee what's going on.
So yeah, I do in that kind ofopen-minded stuff we were
(35:07):
talking about before you know gokind of vibe a little bit.
It is a, it's a.
It's a little both.
I'm like, okay, I didn't thinkof that thing, I'm gonna take
that in, I'm gonna take it to myown mental like board and have
a board meeting with myself,literally, and then I'm gonna
love it and I'm gonna, and thenI'm gonna choose like, all right
(35:28):
, this is what we're doing,let's try it out you know, why
did you?
Lisa Hopkins (35:32):
why did you come on the podcast?
Tamar Greene (35:34):
because you don't know me you know I yeah, I don't
know you, but I looked at yourwork and I saw you speaking with
friends of mine and I was like,yeah, this looks like a, a
trusted human I can have aconversation with, and it's nice
to, it's nice to slow down.
(35:55):
Sometimes, you know, it's niceto just like take a pause, uh,
because in my life there is no.
Sometimes it's just go, go, go.
You know me and my wife both wewere literally talking about
last night's just go, go, go.
You know.
So like it is nice to just likesit down for a minute and, um,
yeah, have a conversation withsomebody, with a, with a decent
(36:16):
human, and you seemed like adecent human that's cool.
Lisa Hopkins (36:21):
What would you say ?
What would you say, is yourachilles heel I?
Tamar Greene (36:26):
I would say as much as I, as much as I was
talking about conquering thesethings, I, I would say that one
way it manifests I'm looking forthe other thing, but one way it
manifests itself is my like,like the stage right thing we
were talking about Um, and sosometimes that is, that is um,
(36:49):
it, it.
it is a thing that I, I want toconquer, and I do conquer in
many different ways, but it isalways a thing you know, that
just like, is kind of that likeweakness that shows weakness,
that shows up in many forms thatmight sway my decisions or
(37:10):
choices, with things I might door whatever, like you know, it
is still a factor.
So, even if I'm like, hey, Ichose to do this particular
thing, but maybe I didn't dothese two things because I let
that voice speak thing, butmaybe I didn't do these two
things because I let that voicespeak, um, yeah, or even if it's
uh, I think another way thatthat that thing manifests itself
is even in social ways as well.
(37:35):
I spend, I think I spend mylife figuring out what that
thing is.
People thinking that I am quiet, which I am, but I'm trying to
analyze that in myself and I'mlike, actually, no, I just, in
particular sometimes with who Iopen up with and who I talk to,
(37:55):
can just be completelythemselves in every environment.
And I'm not that, you know, ifI walk into a room, I'm like I
should be, should be networking,or it should be talking to
whatever and mingling whatever.
I.
I feel like this anxiety a lotof times in those, in those
(38:16):
moments, and I'm like I think Ishould peace out.
I think I'm a peace out, youknow, and so that's the kind of
those.
It's.
It's similar to that what, whatfew fuels, the uh stage fright,
not exactly the same, but it isa similar foundation and those
two things.
That, like it, scares me, youknow.
So it makes more work for me tohave to conquer after, and I
(38:39):
like to conquer, but it is.
It is this looming.
Lisa Hopkins (38:42):
Yeah, I'd love to respond to that, if it's okay
with you.
Tamar Greene (38:47):
Absolutely, please yeah.
Lisa Hopkins (38:49):
So, on the first point about the stage right,
which is super common, I would,I would almost, I would almost
want to pose the question to youof, I would almost want to pose
the question to you of is itpossible that the fear that if
you didn't have it, it shows upbecause it works, it shows up
(39:12):
because you go on and youconquer.
It's never actually you'venever died, right?
You've never.
If you want to do fight orflight, you've never gone on
stage, even with that voice.
I mean, you've gone againstthat voice and said no, I'm not
and you haven't died.
But it's really interestingbecause you've had a lot of
success and often these oldvoices that are in our head, I
call them gremlins, old voicesthat that are in our head, you
(39:34):
know, I call them gremlins.
You know we need, we need to tocheck in with them, not try to
get rid of them.
See, we spend a lot of energytrying to get rid of them.
I don't want to hear it, I wantto fight them, I want to, but
but rather repurpose them, ifyou think of them as energy, our
energy, and that they werethere once to protect us.
So probably, if we were workingtogether, we'd probably figure
out when it showed up, but itmight've been when you were 10
(39:55):
years old and you were going onstage and they said you know,
you better not forget your lines, you're going to embarrass
yourself or whatever.
So you studied really, really,really hard and it was true that
you know it saved you fromembarrassment.
So so what we can do is we can.
We can sort of invite it in nowand say listen, I know, thank
you and I honor you for helpingme.
This voice really helped me whenI was younger and when I was
(40:16):
less experienced.
But like I'm a Broadway guy now, like I've done this for six
years, you know I'm going to befine.
But you know, rather than justfiring you, I'm going to recast
you in your role in my head andhow I could really use you is
you know if you could say this,and then you re-script it.
You've heard of re-scripting.
You just give it something elseto say and it will stand down
(40:41):
in the old message.
It's just old data and it hasworked and it's there.
It's actually your ally, it'sactually trying to help you, but
it just doesn't have theupdated info.
This is where your, your uh,your other degree will come in
handy yeah, yeah, exactly, I waslike you speak of my language,
girl.
Yes, it's so it needs.
You need a reboot.
(41:02):
You don't need to get rid of it.
You don't need to go.
Why do I have that?
You don't need to spend anyenergy sort of contemplating it,
but rather invited in and andand know what it is.
So what do you think about that?
Tamar Greene (41:13):
I wholly agree with that.
I really that really resonatedwith me because I I do, without
putting such, I think, suchgreat words to it, it is, it is
what I try to do, I try to tell,even though, what I try to tell
people to do and what I try totell people to do, things that
I'm trying to convince myself todo, yeah, you know, um, but it
(41:35):
is that like, yeah, it it.
It did show up in that way whenI was young and it was a like,
something I was reallyembarrassed about, like you know
, like it showed up even when Ifirst started auditioning in the
city and I thought, you know, Ithought I was great, and and
then I show up in a room andrealize we're in a I'm in a
whole different level of ballgame, you know, and I wasn't, I
(41:59):
wasn't prepared, I thought I wasyeah, and I definitely wasn't,
and I really embarrassed myselfand then, like a casting
director or director, whatever,made a comment like yeah, next
time, you know, be off book,maybe, or whatever, like,
whatever it was, it was, and Iwas like, walk out with my tail.
But you know, like, like, sothat is.
But that has motivated me to toreally really do the work for
(42:26):
something I'm passionate about.
Yep, really, you know, know thesong, know this, know the size.
Even if you're not quite youwant to try to be off book, but
if you're not quite, at leastknow what you're talking about
and glance down, come back upand say your lines.
You know, like those guys, ithas sharpened me yep, that's
what I'm saying it's helped you.
Lisa Hopkins (42:44):
Yeah, you're right .
Yeah, so there could be a fearthere that if I get rid of it, I
might then not.
Do you see the connection?
Tamar Greene (42:53):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And I and it's, it's that's man, that's so good, uh, and it's
it's a little bit different, butI was, uh, tell folks too about
, like what, if I'm on, ifyou're, if you're in a work,
right, you're doing, you'redoing the work, you're doing the
thing.
The moment that you likeactually get bored is when you
mess up and when you screw upand because your brain is not in
(43:15):
it.
So that voice, that voice hashelped me.
Stay in it, stay engaged, be abetter actor, because I know if
I start thinking about what Iwant for lunch, I'm going to
fail and I'm going to embarrassmyself and I'm going to start
sweating and my heart, my bloodpressure is going to go up, all
of that.
So it is, it's very, it's verysimilar.
(43:35):
I like that.
Lisa Hopkins (43:36):
Yeah, and you believe I mean you clearly
believe that without it thatyou'd be off your game.
I would say to you, I wouldchallenge you and say now, Tamar
, in this moment, that it'sactually more likely to distract
you, because when we arefocusing on potential dangers,
(43:56):
in that lower energy that youtalked about the fight or flight
, I call it catabolic energythen what catabolic energy is
draws us towards what's painfulor stressful or whatever.
So your goal then, when you'regoing on stage, if you go on
that way, is to overcome shynessor overcome anxiety or overcome
or get through the lines versusbeing which you're really good
(44:19):
at.
So it's the trusting that youknow, trusting that you know and
again, it's great that it'sthere.
It could be a tool, right, itcould be a reminder, like you
could file it into discernmentversus judgment.
So it's not so black and white,right and not so binary and
just say, listen, I hear you,but I don't need that.
(44:39):
What I need right now is like,you know, give me some energy.
Tamar Greene (44:42):
You know you rock, you know whatever, whatever you
wanted to do, so that you cango out there and kill it yeah, I
, I really I, I'm gonna, I'mgonna re-listen to this for this
moment, I'm gonna, I really am,I, I love it that yeah really
good.
Lisa Hopkins (44:59):
Give it a shot, man, I think it'd be really good
.
And the the other thing thatyou mentioned, you, you were
talking about how it shows up,um, socially, yes, and you and
you use the word should and Icall I should, I could, with
shame.
So when we know that we can dosomething, right.
(45:23):
And we're shoulding all over theplace.
We sometimes do do it, but it'sfueled by shame, but it's
fueled by shame, and so that'sunsustainable.
So I'm sure you do, I'm sureyou should, you listen to should
, and then you push yourself andyou do it and blah, blah, blah.
But as soon as you lose theshame and realize that you have
the capability to do this, thenyou step into I could do this.
(45:48):
And then the question becomesdo I want to do this?
And once you're in, I could dothis.
Then you start going yeah, Icould, I could totally do this.
And then, and then you move to.
You know, I have this wholething called the choice
capacitor.
It's funny.
I was talking I don't know ifyou know noah, noah ricketts,
but he, um, he said I'm puttingthis in my dressing room.
I could send it to you as well,but it's, it's a choice
(46:10):
capacitor, right.
So?
So yeah, I call it energeticchoice.
So we go from I can't to I haveto, right where you're really
pushing through to I should,right, and then to get to the
other side of the more consciouschoice.
Then it you lose the shame,right, and then you're and I
could.
And then you go to not only can, but I want to.
(46:31):
And when you're in, I want to,it starts being connected to
your why.
Why do I want to?
Because I do what I say I'mgoing to do, because I care
about the producer, because theaudience is supporting me,
because whatever, whatever yourwhys are, you start connecting.
And then, once you're there,then it's easy to shift to the
ultimate, which is I get to, andI get to is choice with
(46:54):
gratitude.
That's when you're doing it andyou know you're doing it.
And you're doing it and you'regrateful for doing it.
Tamar Greene (47:04):
These guys pencil out.
I get to is choice withgratitude.
What am I talking about?
It's amazing.
You can feel it right.
Yeah, I can feel it right.
Yeah, that's, I'm definitelygoing to need that, that.
Lisa Hopkins (47:19):
Uh, what you said, you said to know you don't need
it, you want it and I, I willdefinitely I will definitely
share with you, that's fair.
Tamar Greene (47:27):
You need it one, okay, okay you don't need
anything.
Lisa Hopkins (47:30):
You don't even need to be acting or singing.
I mean you know you don't needanything.
You don't even need to beacting or singing.
I mean you know you don't needanything.
These are things you've chosenthat you want to do, yeah, yeah,
and within those choices, wehave choices about how we do
them.
That's where the gold is,that's where the golden thread
is.
Then it doesn't matter whatyou're doing, because you know
what I mean, because you'rereally connected to yeah that's
(47:52):
beautiful, that's profound,that's this is.
Tamar Greene (47:56):
This is not merely a podcast.
I think you're you're notadvertising yourself, as this is
beyond.
What are we talking about?
This is I don't know.
This is, this is amazing.
This is magic.
Thank you, it is a gift.
What you have is is definitelya gift.
I've done a lot of, I've done alot of podcasts.
(48:18):
I've done a lot of interviews.
This is not.
This is something else.
Lisa Hopkins (48:20):
This is, this is special hey, um, what do you
know?
Will stay true about you, nomatter what happens.
Tamar Greene (48:37):
I know that I'll always, whatever happens, I'll
always lead with my heart.
I do.
I do feel that is a foundationof me.
That I really love about myselfis that I I try my best to, you
(48:58):
know, always leave lead withlove and those intentions of um
not harming in my choices.
Yeah, um, um, you know, I'm amiddle child, middle of 10, mind
you Right, exactly, oh, my God.
(49:21):
So, uh, I got to watch a lot of,you know, look up and look down
and and see what to do, whatnot to do, and all that, but
also be the um, the mediator.
Lisa Hopkins (49:34):
Oh, interesting.
Tamar Greene (49:35):
Yeah, and those experiences, which I think is is
made me, you know, definitelymade me who I am, part of what
made me who I am is being in themiddle.
Lisa Hopkins (49:44):
I'm like.
Tamar Greene (49:44):
Ooh, yeah, I hear you, sis, but like I think my
brother's actually trying to sayand oh, no, but sis, but my
brother, I think with my sister,which is actually meaning you
know.
So, so it's, it's, it's why Itick, it's the way, it's the why
I am the way I am.
I really do.
I think it made me moreempathetic, for sure, and like
that's how I, that's how I liketo lead with all my choices, is
(50:07):
knowing that you know all thesepeople mean well, everyone.
There is no like, there's novillain, there's no one out
there.
Really, that's like I want tobe a bad human.
I want.
Lisa Hopkins (50:16):
I agree with you.
Tamar Greene (50:17):
I agree with you yeah I agree and so if you have
that understanding, it's likeall right, listen a little
longer.
Yeah, you know, and I love you.
You know, yeah, and ask anotherquestion, you know, like that,
that's um yeah, so I always do.
I always do whatever, whateverit is I always try to lead with
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my heart and lead with love canyou finish this phrase?
Lisa Hopkins (50:41):
most people think tamar green is, but the truth is
I think, uh, most things.
Tamar Greene (50:52):
I think tamar has got it all together right, oh my
god, it's like got it alltogether and very confident in
all that you know and I, I think, um, you know which the, which
is great.
It's a nice thing for people tothink you know of it, but I
think it is even even the.
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The con of it is, you knowsomething I felt, even growing
up with so many siblings a lotof times people don't check on
the person they think is strong,you know.
So that's the problem, right,like, and I'm, you know, I'm
confident with the things I'mconfident in.
You know, I'm very ambitious.
We talk about all thesedifferent things, but I'm also a
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human who's flawed and is goingthrough stuff and also, you
know, and and people don't often.
This is why, honestly, why I'mloving this, even conversations,
so much because you're divingin on things people don't often
dive in and check in yeah yeah Ifeel that.
Thank you for sharing that yeah,yeah, I didn't expect to share
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that, but yeah, whatever, you'refine, that's fine.
Yeah, that's true, yeah, no,absolutely I appreciate that, um
, how do you want to beremembered as someone who really
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truly cared right, who, who.
When you think of that person,you smile.
You know it left you withsomething.
You know that I left you withsomething that made you feel you
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know good in some way yeah, insome way.
Lisa Hopkins (53:01):
Yeah, yeah, that's how I feel in this moment
Mission accomplished.
I can really feel your energy.
I mean you have a beautifulenergy, I mean you make me feel
good well, well, thank youlikewise.
Thank you you don't even needto sing, although I've got to
say your voice is likeridiculous.
Tamar Greene (53:22):
But thank you there we go.
There it is.
Lisa Hopkins (53:32):
I'm shameless.
Tamar Greene (53:33):
Okay.
Lisa Hopkins (53:34):
So let me see, we'll do.
We do this thing called rapidfire.
It doesn't have to be rapid.
I'm just going to say whatmakes you and I'm going to throw
out a word, and you've probablyheard this before.
So what makes you?
Whatever comes to mind, okay.
So what makes?
And you, just whatever comes tomind, okay, so what makes you
hungry?
Tamar Greene (53:55):
um, seeing delicious things I haven't tried
yet and that could be.
That could be food andotherwise, right, yeah?
There you go and that you'renot allergic to, and then I'm
not allergic to food.
That's good, oh that's good.
Lisa Hopkins (54:12):
No food Just the environmental stuff, all right.
What makes you sad?
Hate?
Tamar Greene (54:26):
What inspires you, friends?
Lisa Hopkins (54:31):
who I see being successful.
Tamar Greene (54:38):
What frustrates you Not being?
Lisa Hopkins (54:42):
heard.
Tamar Greene (54:46):
What makes you laugh, my son?
Lisa Hopkins (54:51):
Love it.
What's your son's name?
Tamar Greene (54:52):
Amari, josiah, oh, that's beautiful.
Yeah, I'm AJ oh.
Lisa Hopkins (54:57):
I love it.
That's great, I love it.
Tamar Greene (55:01):
What makes you angry?
Disrespect and finally, whatmakes you grateful?
Many things uh love life,family, yeah yeah, love it.
Lisa Hopkins (55:22):
So what are the?
What are the top three thingsthat have happened so far today?
Tamar Greene (55:27):
woke up next to a smiling baby.
That that's awesome.
Um, let's see, I'm generallyfeeling pretty good today.
You know, woke up pretty likelighter than than I have and, um
, well, in truth, this is notnot be anything like, in truth,
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this conversation, truly, I mean, I wasn't expecting, wasn't
expecting this.
Lisa Hopkins (55:59):
So, yeah, lovely ditto, and what's something
you're looking forward to, bothtoday and then big picture today
.
Tamar Greene (56:10):
I'm looking forward to the moments I'll have
with my family, my wife and myson, before I go to work and do
the thing.
Looking forward to having thattime and in the future I am.
I am looking forward to havingthat champagne with you next
year.
When we're talking about yes,hell yes oh my god, tomorrow.
Lisa Hopkins (56:36):
I so appreciate you taking the time out of your
busy life to be with me in themoment.
Today.
I really, I really have.
I've enjoyed our conversationvery, very much yeah, me too,
lisa.
Tamar Greene (56:47):
Really, truly, truly.
Thank you for making me think,making me feel and teaching me
things about myself.
Lisa Hopkins (56:58):
Thanks so much.
I've been speaking today withTamara Green.
I'm Lisa Hopkins.
Thanks so much for listening.
Everyone, stay safe and healthyand remember to live in the
moment.
In music, stop time is thatbeautiful moment where the band
is suspended in rhythmic unison,supporting the soloist to
express their individuality Inthe moment.
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I encourage you to take thattime and create your own rhythm.
Until next time.
I'm Lisa Hopkins.
Thanks for listening.
This is the Stop Time Podcast.
I'm your host, lisa Hopkins,and I'm here to engage you in
thought-provoking, motivationalconversations around practicing
the art of living in the moment.
I'm a certified life coach andI'm excited to dig deep and
offer insights into embracingwho we are and where we are at.
So my next guest is currentlystarring as George Washington in
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the Broadway Company ofHamilton.
He has appeared in the Broadwaynational tours of Love Never
Dies, the sequel to Broadway'sPhantom of the Opera, the
Gershwin's Porgy and Bess andBroadway celebration of Harlem's
Golden Age After Midnight, andwas seen as the crab man at the
Spoleto Festival's production ofPorgy and Bess and as featured
singer in the PBS broadcast ofShowboat at Lincoln Center.
(00:51):
He's a proud first-generationAmerican, born of Jamaican and
British parents, and a versatileartist whose musical passions
mirror his eclectic background.
As a writer, arranger,classical pianist and singer, he
combines much of hisinspiration from classical music
, reggae, hip-hop, r&b, bluesand jazz.
His passion for performance andteaching is matched by his
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passion for social and racialjustice.
He's an original member of theHamilton Racial Justice Task
Force, now called HAM forProgress.
Through his work on the taskforce, he has helped to organize
company-wide efforts to raisecensus awareness, increase
national voter registration andput action to the importance of
investing in communities ofcolor.
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He holds a Master of Music fromthe Eastman School of Music and
two bachelor degrees from SUNYOswego a BA in Music with a
focus in vocal and pianoperformance, and a BA in
Computer Information Systemsfrom SUNY Oswego a BA in music
with a focus in vocal and pianoperformance and a BA in computer
information systems from SUNYOswego as well.
I am so looking forward togetting to know Tamar Greene.
Welcome, tamar.
Tamar Greene (01:57):
Hello Lisa, how are you doing?
Lisa Hopkins (02:00):
I'm doing well.
I can see you're responding tohearing me read that back, right
?
Tamar Greene (02:05):
Yeah, I was like listening.
I was like actually listeningto the things, I was like oh,
yeah yeah, those are things.
Those are things that happen.
You know, it's been a wild ride.
Lisa Hopkins (02:16):
Yeah Well, sometimes it's nice just to sit
here and honor you for takingthe ride.
I mean, we could talk aboutyour credits and yada yada.
But at this point, here you are, the human, the human behind
the headlines, sitting with me,taking a time to you know.
Remember that you're, you'rereal and I see you.
Tamar Greene (02:37):
Wow, thank you.
I appreciate that.
I really do Like it issometimes rare to to have this
moment of like just being justbeing real, you know, and not
having to, yeah, be anythingelse.
But correct.
Lisa Hopkins (02:51):
Ps, if you've done it, it ain't bragging so and
you did it so, so I do honor you.
I mean, I honor you for them.
It's pretty impressive yeah,well, I appreciate that, yeah so
there's thing, there was onething in your bio that you know,
one thing is not like the other.
I'm so curious.
You know what I'm talking about.
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So.
So how's that computerinformation systems thing
serving you?
These?
Tamar Greene (03:16):
days.
You know it is, it was itserves me.
Actually it does serve me.
I've learned a lot about.
I've always grew up lovingtechnology and wanted to learn
more about it.
And I grew up first a musicianand with a family of musicians
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and appreciators of music.
But I always had the tech mind.
I always had the tech mind.
And so when I was going tochoose a college degree, I kind
of just decided to not do themusic thing because I didn't
know what it meant to have acareer in music.
I'm like I'm not going to, I'mgoing to, I'm going to do
something else.
And so I recognized that youknow the tech passion of mine
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and just chose a degree.
Basically, I literally went tothe advisor and like I know
computer something and then sheopened the book and like there
was a ton of computer things andI literally just picked one but
it.
But it served me well.
I learned a lot of coded.
I've done database management.
Actually, after I graduatedfrom Oswego I actually got a job
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as a tech support manager for alittle bit before I went to my
master's program.
So you know, I got some of thatexposure and now it helps me
with audio engineering andthings like that, because I
understand that world.
Or working with the crew at ashow or something like that and
understanding what they needwhen they tell me to take care
of my mics your well is so deep.
Lisa Hopkins (04:44):
Where does that come from?
Where does this I get the sensefrom you?
I don't tell me to take care ofmy mics.
Your well is so deep, wheredoes that come from?
Where does this, this I get thesense from?
I don't know you, but just Idid.
You know, I did some research,obviously, and I'm getting the
sense that your well runs sodeep, of what you're interested
in, where you could go talk tome.
Where does that come from?
Tamar Greene (05:02):
oh, oh, that's a good question.
I think that comes from.
I think, honestly, comes frombeing a first generation
American.
I think I have a.
I've bonded often and I love tobond with other first
generation Americans, no matterwhere they come from, because we
have similar stories of ourparents being from somewhere you
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know solidly from there andthey're immigrants here.
We carry that culture here, butwe also recognize that we are
raised in a different cultureand so we play this game of
trying to figure out all thethings and understand all things
, uh, while trying to be ourparents, you know, like whatever
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country you know, and also bealso American enough in a way,
you know, and so it's like it'sjust, it's this weird dichotomy
of really loving where I, wheremy history is and my you know
ancestral history, but alsowanting to establish myself here
and be that goal that my, youknow, the dream that my parents,
our parents, wanted, you know.
So I think I really feel likethat's probably where that comes
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from, with me wanting to devourthe world and devour
information.
Lisa Hopkins (06:12):
That's the right word.
I mean, yeah, it's like ahunger, right, it's like yeah it
really is.
Tamar Greene (06:17):
I, even when I, when I did the opera stuff, I'm
like I love languages and I wantto I want to learn everything I
can about these languages, andso I studied a lot of these
different languages and I'minterested in that and, um, when
I find something new andtechnology wise, I like to learn
that.
Even when I first learned howto drive, I was like I don't
want to drive, I don't know howto drive stick shift, so I
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bought a stick shift.
Lisa Hopkins (06:42):
Of course you did.
Tamar Greene (06:44):
Like I was like what kind of fool just buys a
stick shift but don't know howto drive it.
Because I wanted to learn it, Iwanted to know its secrets, you
know, and that's kind of whatdrives me.
Lisa Hopkins (06:56):
Wow, you know it's very unique because someone
else might be telling me from asimilar background, might be
telling me something completelydifferent, Like they might be
saying to me no, I'm firstgeneration and I'm honoring my
parents brought me here.
You know, they went through alot of stuff and you know it's
difficult because, I mean, youknow your perspective is so wide
open.
It's so.
You know, I feel like youunderstand, you understand the
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privilege of coming and thatthat does honor your parents,
right, but you don't.
But you also don't.
I can't, I can't put my fingeron it.
You're tremendously talented,right, but it seems like you're
good at everything you do.
Is that true?
Is that fair to say?
Tamar Greene (07:38):
uh, that's a tough question ask me.
I don't know um I I do the bestcan Put hubris aside, seriously
put hubris aside, and do youfeel like?
Lisa Hopkins (07:46):
do you and I truly mean this as an interested
person Like do you, when youapproach stick shift when you
bought the car, was the voice inyour head saying, well, I don't
know how to do it, but I canfigure it out?
Or was it saying I'm going toget this, I'm going to learn how
to do this thing, because Idon't know how to do it?
Where do you come from?
Tamar Greene (08:08):
Yeah, I think those two sentences actually
coexist.
Yeah, I think when I findsomething I don't know how to do
, I definitely am like I'm goingto figure it out.
I talk a lot about how I grewup very shy, incredibly
crippling, crippling shy, and ittook me a while to get there.
But where I am now, obviouslyit's like no one would ever
(08:31):
imagine that I was a super shykid.
You know the way I'm on stageand do this, do this, the acting
in this career.
But like I was and the way Italk about it with kids, I'm
like I actually use it.
Right, they talk about fight orflight.
Lisa Hopkins (08:48):
Yeah.
Tamar Greene (08:48):
And I truly do.
I like that fight Right LikeI'm scared.
It scares the hell out of me.
So I'm going to do it.
I remember, I remember my my dayview of Hamilton and I was, I
was like frightened.
I was like everyone knows thismassive musical right, everyone
knows it, everyone knows all thewords.
I'm really good at messing upwords and so I was like, after
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doing all of my you know weeksand weeks of rehearsal and stuff
like that, I did the hard workand then I remember standing
stage left about to walk onto myfirst lines and like my brain
started freaking out when Iforgot all my words and I was
like no, no, breathe and justtake that step.
You got this.
You got this, you know.
So I love to conquer that stage, right.
(09:35):
I always, even when I do mysolo concerts and stuff like
that I'm like it scares me tostand on stage and do a solo
concert and talk about myself.
I'm like, what if they hatemyself?
What scares me to stand onstage and do a solo concert and
talk about myself?
I'm like what if they hatemyself?
What if they don't like me, youknow?
And I'm like, just do it, justdo it and conquer it, because
then you're that much better.
Yeah, you know so.
Yeah, so it is.
Yeah.
So with driving, yeah, thestick shift, I get it.
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I'm like I can figure it out.
I know I can, I know I'm smartenough to figure it out.
I know I can figure out prettymuch.
Anything Like that's what Ifeel when I go into it, and if I
fail, then whatever.
But I'm going to.
I think I'm pretty.
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think I'm pretty good at alot of things and I'm sure I can
do it.
Lisa Hopkins (10:14):
Well, is there something now that's kind of you
know your next conquest?
Is there something else that'sreally exciting to you that you
haven't tried or that you can'tdo, or you think you know
haven't done?
Tamar Greene (10:27):
um, let me see, I, I, I think the my, I guess my
next it's like this loomingproject is is my album.
That is, that has been alooming project of mine that I I
actually haven't been able toconquer quite yet, not giving up
on it yet, obviously.
But I make little steps hereand there and I'm working on it
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with friends and doing differentarrangements and things like
that.
But I can't quite yet figureout how exactly I want to
release this project to theworld or do what to put on that
project.
But that is my looming thing,that I'm like I need to conquer
this and I'm excited about it.
It also stresses me out.
Lisa Hopkins (11:10):
For sure.
What do you do when you'restressed out about something
like that?
Do you put it off or do you goharder?
What do you do?
Tamar Greene (11:19):
Yeah, I do.
Sometimes, to be honest, I doput it off.
I'm sometimes as good as I tryto be and better as I try to be
honest, I do put it off, I do.
I'm sometimes as as good as Itry to be and better as as I try
to be with managing stress.
I sometimes am.
I used to joke that I am theone I do cry over spilled milk
sometimes, like if I was toliterally drop a gallon of milk
in my kitchen I would be reallyannoyed and walk away.
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I'd come back but I definitelywould be really angry and like
ah, it's everywhere I got it.
Ah, and it's going to.
Ah, it's under the stove.
Oh, my gosh.
Lisa Hopkins (11:54):
I love that, but you probably need that every now
and then.
Right, you should go break somebottles of milk.
Tamar Greene (12:01):
Maybe, maybe I should.
To conquer that right, justspill some milk no, that's,
that's a great catch.
Lisa Hopkins (12:06):
Right of noticing what, of noticing what you do,
hey?
So I I'm guessing life ispretty busy for you right about
now, with what?
Eight shows a week being georgeand then 24 7 being dad yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, it is.
Tamar Greene (12:24):
Uh, it is a wild time.
Uh, my son is now, uh, will be11 months in two days.
Almost a year and it's been awild year.
I've been really trying to talkabout conquering challenges.
I've been really trying to showup eight shows a week because
I'm passionate about what I do,I love to do what I do and this
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baby has been a nice littlechallenge of what can I do on no
sleep?
How's my brain still work?
Does it still work?
Can I do even the other thing?
I mean cause I do so many otherthings, sometimes outside of
side of the shows yeah, um, soit's been an interesting year
with this beautiful little humanwho has us exhausted, my wife
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and I, all the time.
So it is.
It is a beautiful thing, thoughit really is a.
It is a beautiful thing and Ifeel like you know, when you're
on, you're driving and you makea different turn and it says
recalculating.
I feel like my spirit isconstantly recalculating, like
my.
My brain is recalculating.
Lisa Hopkins (13:31):
That's interesting .
Tamar Greene (13:33):
Yeah.
Lisa Hopkins (13:34):
Yeah.
Tamar Greene (13:34):
It's like I can feel.
I can feel the change.
You know like I'm growing withmy child.
Lisa Hopkins (13:41):
Yes.
Tamar Greene (13:43):
It's, it's, it's a bizarre thing, thing.
It's a bizarre thing to to yeah, to go through it's, it's so
real.
Lisa Hopkins (13:51):
The thing about a child is that you can't like
conquer it, like do you know?
You can't get like like, you'vegot to go with the flow.
And it's true.
I love that there's like thisconscious recalibration that
you're having of likesomething's, something shifting.
Does that scare you at all?
Like, does it make you likewhat comes up for you when you
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feel that?
Tamar Greene (14:27):
he was here, we would kind of get into the cycle
of you know what we're going todo to raise him right.
What music should?
We play while he's in utero,like all the you know what would
make him the smartest?
How do we teach an infant mathand want him to be a savant and
do you know all this, all thisstuff, we get into the weeds,
even like food.
Right, we're like in thiscountry where there's so much,
so many toxins and foods andthings.
What can't we feed them what?
No, we shouldn't have that.
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No, don't do this.
No, we can't warm it up.
A bottle of a microwave?
No, don't do that.
Okay, we're going to do thisone.
And it gets overwhelming.
It really does get overwhelming.
And like we, we, we are humansof the world.
Right, we, we, didn't haveknowledge of it.
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Our parents didn't haveknowledge of a lot of these
things.
Not that, not that we can't tryto do better, right.
But with that knowledge, weknow that we can't.
We're not going to ruin thischild because we're okay, let's,
you know, let's let's go to thefoundation that we're okay and
we'll try to do better withcertain things that's hard to
check back in on.
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It takes a little while ofspiraling to come back and be
like okay, I'm getting a littleoff.
Lisa Hopkins (15:36):
It's normal and it's par for the course.
But you're absolutely right,they are the most resilient.
They're going to savethemselves.
Tamar Greene (15:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's why they, you know they.
Lisa Hopkins (15:48):
They get what they want.
They get what they need.
I mean, there are survivalmachines.
Talk about fight or flight.
Right, I mean, they arefighting, fighting, fighting for
survival.
They don't have the consciousbrain that we've developed yet
that tells us this is good, thisis bad, it's just like no, I
want food, I need to sleep.
I'm going to scream until I getit.
Tamar Greene (16:05):
I'm going to scream until I get it.
And too bad about you.
Right, I'm selfish,unapologetically.
I don't even know what selfishmeans.
Lisa Hopkins (16:14):
Exactly.
I came across something thatyou said Actually you said about
, I think, when you wereresearching George Washington,
and it stood out you said thatwe only know him for his wins,
but he's only there because ofhis failures, which is a great
catch, right, and that goes fora lot of well-known folks, and I
just kind of want to ask youwhat gifts have you received
(16:38):
from your failures?
What learnings?
Tamar Greene (16:43):
learnings.
Ooh, yeah, okay, let me think alittle bit on that one.
Um, I I'd say I've had.
Okay, I'll answer first withthe first thing in my mind.
I don't think of, um, maybeearlier things, but I think like
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, let's say, like I'm, I'm doingthe show and I'm like not
having a great vocal week, youknow, and that obviously happens
for humans.
And let's say, you're doing abig number, history or whatever,
and like I've had I don't haveto speak in this way I have had
moments where I have not hadgreat vocal weeks and I have
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done these big numbers likehistory, where you're singing
kind of the first big note, andthen I had like a big crack
right, and that's one way I'llsay like that's on mine.
You know these are minor things, but that's one way that I
learned.
Actually, I, I used to beespecially with opera, the opera
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background.
I used to be just you'refrightened of, of cracking.
You know, for a tenor, as I wasat least, it was like they live
for the high note at the end.
That is what it is about.
That is what makes you famous.
You know, it has to be pristine.
And so I felt like in incollege they really groom you to
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be like in fear of ever messingup.
Um, that's not reality.
It's, it's truly not reality.
So when it happens, you know,I've seen work with a lot of
different people who, if theywere to have a, have a crack
mid-show, they would.
They would call out second act,you know, and go home and and
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then rest for several days andvocal rest scarf on their neck
and then I'll see you next week.
You know, um, and I, you know,for better or worse, I don't
know I, the way I approach itnow and is I, I again strive to
be, to be better and, like,learn around it, because I know
I'm a person have allergies.
Um, I'm allergic to a lot ofdifferent.
(18:50):
I mean cats, dogs, trees,pollens, sawdust, I mean, like
I'm allergic to the world inmany ways.
So like I'm always going to beunder in some way.
I'm always going to be facingsomething extra mucus, going on,
it's always going to besomething.
So it's not feasible for me tojust call it, you know.
So I have to figure it out.
So, if I crack in the middle ofa thing and I'm embarrassed,
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one thing I learned is toforgive myself.
Forgive myself quickly and hard, right, like and, and and move
on yeah and then and figure itout.
You know, if I did that in actone, I'm like, okay,
recalibrating, you know I haveto, I have to approach in act
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two, I have to, you know, maybedo some warm-ups, maybe get some
tea, checking on what I can do.
Don't push so much in thebeginning of this so that I can
have a little bit more gas forthe end.
I'm I'm constantly doing thosecalculations, um, in my mind.
So that that's one thing Ilearned from like making
mistakes, like on stage yeah,yeah, you said there were other.
Lisa Hopkins (19:57):
Are there others?
Tamar Greene (19:58):
yeah, no, I forgot , I said yeah damn it lisa, I
actually really listen.
No, you do, You're really good.
You're really good.
Oh, let me see, yeah, I thinkI've had even like financial
mishaps, right, like things thatI've tried to do that I
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entrusted folks to take care andand they proved that they
weren't able to do that and I,you know, and I lost a lot,
right, I lost like a decentamount of money and I've learned
from.
I learned from that, but I alsolearned from even like like
family members, like watching.
I'm I'm one of 10, I have a lot, of, a lot of siblings.
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My mom was one of nine, so Ihave a lot of like case studies
in my family to be able to watchand see, and so if I'm like,
okay, I see that, I see how thisperson managed money, you know,
like well, it's interesting.
Lisa Hopkins (20:59):
I mean, if I can interrupt you, because, you
don't have to tell me all thedetails.
What I what I find reallyinteresting is that I think what
you're talking about, but maybeyou can clarify you, because
you don't have to tell me allthe details.
What I find really interestingis that I think what you're
talking about, but maybe you canclarify, is that you trusted
that someone would show up in acertain way or that they could
do something, or that they woulddo something.
Is that what you're talkingabout?
That you learned that sometimesthe blind trust is not.
Tamar Greene (21:21):
Yeah, I think the blind trust is not yeah, it's
not, yeah, it's, it's not it.
So what it, in a way I'd say,like it.
It has taught me how to trulybe a little bit more
self-sufficient, to, like, do alittle bit more of my own
research, um, and be moreinvolved in, in all of my
(21:45):
handlings, right, like even mywhatever what I do.
Now it's like I'm even if Idon't know how to do it, I'm
going to learn to a little bitof accounting and then I'm going
to let my accountant do thething, but I'm going to know
what you're doing.
You know I want to.
I'm going to figure that out.
You know, with my concert workand stuff, like on my own, I was
my own manager for pretty mucheverything and I just now got a
(22:05):
manager, you know because but Ibut now I know how to do all of
the things and I'm only passingit off because I'm too busy, but
I know everything that you'redoing.
You know what I mean yes, I doyeah, so like being aware I've
never.
I'm no longer just like blindly, like trusting close to do
certain things.
I'm involved in everything andI know how to do enough of
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everything to know when it'sright and, importantly, to know
when it's wrong.
Lisa Hopkins (22:31):
That's pretty cool .
So how does control show up?
That sounds to me like controlin a good way.
You're taking control, you wantto take control and you do it
through education.
You do it through picking theright people, and that totally
makes sense.
Why is that important to you?
Why have you found that youneed to do that?
Tamar Greene (22:51):
I think it is because if I, if I'm involved in
it, if I'm because because Iknow that I, I know I have sense
, right, I know I have sensethat I am a smart man, Uh, and,
and I, yeah, and I think it'simportant to have.
I think it's important, I thinkit's important for you to be
(23:11):
involved and to make thosedecisions.
I've seen, I just have seen alot of people not involved in
their matters whatever mattersit is, whatever it is, and just
have some major failures.
And I'm like, if you only had alittle bit more education on
that, like I feel like you couldhave really been successful at
something you know.
So I just think it's reallyimportant to have maintain that
(23:32):
level of control in your lifeand to make sure you are.
You are the one in charge ofyour own life right, your own
decisions.
Lisa Hopkins (23:39):
You are the one in charge of your own life, right
your own decisions.
Yeah, I would venture to sayit's really responsibility more
than control.
It's not that you're acontrolling person, but Right
right, right right Because.
I'm not hearing you say I blameyou for that and because you
screwed up, I have to do it now.
You're not saying that You'regoing ah, that didn't work, I
trusted it would work.
What can I going?
(24:02):
Ah, that didn't work, I trustedit would work.
What can I learn from this?
Tamar Greene (24:03):
yeah, I can learn how to do it.
I love that.
Right to me, that's it feelsabsolutely yeah, absolutely,
absolutely yeah.
Not, not like a controllingkind of mindset, just like, okay
, I've learned, yep, um, let mebe better at that.
Lisa Hopkins (24:12):
Yeah yeah yeah, absolutely no, that makes sense.
It very cool.
How do you define success?
You know everyone defines itdifferently and maybe it'll
change.
I'm sure it will change.
Tamar Greene (24:29):
But in this moment , what does success look like
for you?
Success, yeah, you're right, itdoes change.
It tweaks a little bit overtime.
But I think the foundation of mydefinition has always been
doing what you love and beingable to sustain your life
through that.
Yeah, you know so, you know, Iused to.
I used to think it was Successis being rich or winning all the
(24:54):
awards or whatever you knowdoing that kind of thing and
having a certain level ofrecognition, whatever you know
doing that kind of thing andhaving a certain level of
recognition.
But like it truly is.
As and as I'm, as I'm gettingolder, I'm like, oh, success
will be like you know, havingbeing able to very comfortably
pay your mortgage on time and umand also go on vacations,
because I love vacation.
Go on a trip, um, you seesomething you like and be able
(25:18):
to purchase it.
You know like, and just livewith peace, peace in your life.
Lisa Hopkins (25:25):
Yeah.
Tamar Greene (25:26):
That would be my yeah, that would be my current
definition of success.
Lisa Hopkins (25:30):
I love it, hey, if we were meeting a year from now
after this conversation and wewere we were.
You're not allergic tochampagne, are you?
Tamar Greene (25:38):
Oh, absolutely not .
Okay, perfect, good we canstill perfect.
Lisa Hopkins (25:41):
Good, we can still be friends.
No, so if we were meeting ayear from now over a bottle of
champagne and you were sayingyou know, lisa, this has been
the most amazing year, what willwe be celebrating?
Tamar Greene (25:55):
Hmm, well, um, we will be celebrating um.
Professionally, I wouldcelebrating a, a new role, like
the ability to creating a newrole, um, from conception, you,
(26:18):
you know, like something that'sin workshops.
It's exciting to be able topour yourself into a work, in
the origin of a work, you know,and do that work and do that
research, even on the character,and all that like that's very
exciting.
So in a year's time, yeah,let's just toast to that.
I think there's other thingsthat I just um, we just are.
(26:43):
We're in the process of buyinga home, so I'll toast.
I can toast to that now, Iguess.
But nice, congrats, um, thanks,yeah, so we're looking forward
to like having a bit of thatpeace and that joy and having
more space for all for us andthe baby on toast to that too
yeah, very, it's interesting tothink about it.
Lisa Hopkins (27:01):
right, we often go for these things and we know,
like you knew, you knew, you'vegot some things in your mind
about what you'd like to do.
I'm working with my clients, I'malways saying you know, the
words you use are so importantand you know, when I asked you
the question as a future sort ofthing, I love that you said we
will be celebrating.
(27:22):
You didn't say we would be.
There was no.
If there, you're like, we willbe.
I just point that out andthat's the way you roll, like,
like if that's what you want,that's what you're going to get,
that's what you're going to do.
Clearly.
Tamar Greene (27:34):
That's so funny yeah.
Lisa Hopkins (27:47):
I didn't pick up on that myself.
So, yeah, down right,absolutely.
I love it.
So are you?
Would you?
Are you ambitious?
Are you open?
Are you both?
Is it some kind of beautifulalchemy of those two things?
Tamar Greene (27:58):
um, yeah, you're really good.
I like these guys.
It it's so, it's so good, liketo to, just to, to, to talk with
you.
It's like these are such goodquestions.
I'm like man, all right, let me, let me dive in.
It'll take me a second to like,really answer these questions
and I love that.
Um, I, I would say that I am.
(28:18):
I'm definitely ambitious.
I have so much I want to do inthe world, but I'm not rigid in
those things.
So I also am as a kid and didcompetitions and that's pretty
much what I thought I was goingto be.
(28:45):
You know, I wanted to be aconcert pianist at one point and
as I went to school for it, Ipracticed a lot.
Right, I practiced for hours.
You're in a room by yourselfand your piano and you're
practicing a ton and trying tomemorize so much of this, this,
these sonatas and this, thismusic.
(29:05):
I was passionate at that timeabout being successful in that
realm.
But then I started feeling ashift in the world and I was
feeling like, is it actually apiano that I want to do?
And I went to Eastman and Istarted seeing these incredible
pianists like I thought I wasgood, I was pretty decent.
(29:26):
But I've seen these otherpeople were like really truly
incredible.
And I'm like, okay, okay, I'mgonna work.
Um, you know what, let me, letme try a little something else.
I'm gonna shift a shift alittle bit.
People keep telling me aboutthis voice thing.
I'm going to try that out.
And so I've been kind of likeshifting that way.
(29:48):
Like I know, at the foundation Iwanted to share my
interpretation of music with theworld in some way, my passion
for it in some way.
But I've always been open tohow the world will shift me and
change me.
And even when I went to I wentto get my master's in opera, you
know, I was like, okay, this iswhat I'm going to do.
(30:10):
I like, I love this.
Like I said earlier, I lovedevouring languages.
And then I started really trulydiscovering what musical theater
meant to me and what it, whatthe capabilities of it in the
world and and the you know, theacting and things like that.
And I was like, okay, well,maybe I'll learn this actual
(30:31):
thing and try to see if that's,that's it, cause it didn't quite
feel right yet in opera, eventhough I still love doing it, it
wasn't quite right.
So I shifted a bit, but my, Ialways had the still, though,
that ambition of, of success inthis thing.
I want to be the best I can bein this craft where I'm using my
body or my fingers right Forfor uh, uh, interpreting text,
(30:57):
or interpreting music, orsharing with the world.
Lisa Hopkins (30:59):
Yeah.
Tamar Greene (31:00):
Yeah, yeah.
So so, yeah, I do like to.
You know, I always I'm alwaysseeking something, something new
, something fresh.
I'm always seeking that nextthing.
Um, as well, I'm not like, butI'm not bouncing around right,
I've been in Hamilton for likesix years, so like I still.
You know, I love, I love what Ido, but I am always seeking
other things and have thatambition to like.
(31:20):
I want to be seen too.
I want other people to.
I want to share this right.
I want to be seen, but at thesame time, I want to, I want to
share this gift, right.
I do believe it is a, it is agift that is meant to be shared,
and I want to do it withgreater and greater audiences
and connect more with moreartists and be more and more
creative.
Lisa Hopkins (31:40):
Yeah, how does?
How does boredom show up foryou, If at all?
I'm curious.
Tamar Greene (31:46):
How does boredom show up for me?
You know I'm not.
I feel like I.
I feel like sometimes I do havetwo separate brains Like I.
I do feel like like I love to.
You know I am a.
I do feel like like I love to.
You know I am a introvert, Ithink, foundationally with
extrovert tendencies.
So you know, I love to.
(32:07):
I love to go out and minglewith friends, have good
conversations.
I'm also very happy to like siton my couch and devour the next
TV show and just like and beright.
So I'm never I'm never reallylike bored Cause I actually do.
Lisa Hopkins (32:22):
I do enjoy time with myself well, it's a great
segue, because it sounds likeyou really just live in the
moment.
So when you're doing something,you're not thinking about oh,
what am I going to do next?
It doesn't mean that you don'tswirl around, like you shared
with me about you kind of knowthat there's something, there's
more and and.
But I think you've kind ofyou've created a pattern in your
(32:42):
life where that's the waythat's how it happens.
It sounds like there's sometrust around that.
So you maybe don't know what itis.
You're not necessarily hungrilylooking for it.
You know you're not in Hamiltongoing God, you know.
Like what am I going to add?
Or you go to Hamilton and youdo your thing, so you're living
in the moment, clearly right,you're focused on the moment,
which is, you know, that'sdefinitely, I'm all about it,
(33:06):
right?
I mean, that's what it's called,and so I don't even need to ask
you what your definition ofliving in the moment is.
But I am.
I mean, you can give it to meif you want, but you know, I
feel like you're your owncatalyst.
Has there been anything elsethat's ever been a catalyst for
you?
But I get the sense that youcatalyze everything.
You make stuff happen, you gofor it.
Tamar Greene (33:34):
Yeah, I am my own catalyst.
You're right, I certainly am.
But I do that by taking in theworld right and taking in advice
from other people.
Like I'd say, even with goingto do like the Broadway musical
theater, I should say I wouldn'thave, I don't think, if it
(33:57):
wasn't for, like this teacher inschool, miss Watson, just was
like, hey, you might want tolook at the motown, you know
they're doing the thing you're.
I saw you're doing this thing.
Do you want to do that thing?
I'm like oh, yeah, okay, yeah,let me, let me figure out what
that means.
Thank you for that.
Um, yeah, you know.
Or like, uh, my wife, right, we,we met on tour and and she had
(34:22):
been in the business for a fewyears more than I had in the
musical theater business and soshe showed me a lot of the, the
broadway world and what thatmeant and inspired me to do
other things or even likegetting some of the business
stuff together, resume stuff orwhatever it is.
She really helped me with thosethings I've had.
(34:46):
It was a friend actually ofmine, specifically, even in
Hamilton she.
She said like, oh yeah, I thinkyou'd make a good George
Washington and I was like Idon't see it, you know.
But she, she did and and it wasin the back of my mind I was
like, okay, let me go, let mesee what's going on.
So yeah, I do in that kind ofopen-minded stuff we were
(35:07):
talking about before you know gokind of vibe a little bit.
It is a, it's a.
It's a little both.
I'm like, okay, I didn't thinkof that thing, I'm gonna take
that in, I'm gonna take it to myown mental like board and have
a board meeting with myself,literally, and then I'm gonna
love it and I'm gonna, and thenI'm gonna choose like, all right
(35:28):
, this is what we're doing,let's try it out you know, why
did you?
Lisa Hopkins (35:32):
why did you come on the podcast?
Tamar Greene (35:34):
because you don't know me you know I yeah, I don't
know you, but I looked at yourwork and I saw you speaking with
friends of mine and I was like,yeah, this looks like a, a
trusted human I can have aconversation with, and it's nice
to, it's nice to slow down.
(35:55):
Sometimes, you know, it's niceto just like take a pause, uh,
because in my life there is no.
Sometimes it's just go, go, go.
You know me and my wife both wewere literally talking about
last night's just go, go, go.
You know.
So like it is nice to just likesit down for a minute and, um,
yeah, have a conversation withsomebody, with a, with a decent
(36:16):
human, and you seemed like adecent human that's cool.
Lisa Hopkins (36:21):
What would you say ?
What would you say, is yourachilles heel I?
Tamar Greene (36:26):
I would say as much as I, as much as I was
talking about conquering thesethings, I, I would say that one
way it manifests I'm looking forthe other thing, but one way it
manifests itself is my like,like the stage right thing we
were talking about Um, and sosometimes that is, that is um,
(36:49):
it, it.
it is a thing that I, I want toconquer, and I do conquer in
many different ways, but it isalways a thing you know, that
just like, is kind of that likeweakness that shows weakness,
that shows up in many forms thatmight sway my decisions or
(37:10):
choices, with things I might door whatever, like you know, it
is still a factor.
So, even if I'm like, hey, Ichose to do this particular
thing, but maybe I didn't dothese two things because I let
that voice speak thing, butmaybe I didn't do these two
things because I let that voicespeak, um, yeah, or even if it's
uh, I think another way thatthat that thing manifests itself
is even in social ways as well.
(37:35):
I spend, I think I spend mylife figuring out what that
thing is.
People thinking that I am quiet, which I am, but I'm trying to
analyze that in myself and I'mlike, actually, no, I just, in
particular sometimes with who Iopen up with and who I talk to,
(37:55):
can just be completelythemselves in every environment.
And I'm not that, you know, ifI walk into a room, I'm like I
should be, should be networking,or it should be talking to
whatever and mingling whatever.
I.
I feel like this anxiety a lotof times in those, in those
(38:16):
moments, and I'm like I think Ishould peace out.
I think I'm a peace out, youknow, and so that's the kind of
those.
It's.
It's similar to that what, whatfew fuels, the uh stage fright,
not exactly the same, but it isa similar foundation and those
two things.
That, like it, scares me, youknow.
So it makes more work for me tohave to conquer after, and I
(38:39):
like to conquer, but it is.
It is this looming.
Lisa Hopkins (38:42):
Yeah, I'd love to respond to that, if it's okay
with you.
Tamar Greene (38:47):
Absolutely, please yeah.
Lisa Hopkins (38:49):
So, on the first point about the stage right,
which is super common, I would,I would almost, I would almost
want to pose the question to youof, I would almost want to pose
the question to you of is itpossible that the fear that if
you didn't have it, it shows upbecause it works, it shows up
(39:12):
because you go on and youconquer.
It's never actually you'venever died, right?
You've never.
If you want to do fight orflight, you've never gone on
stage, even with that voice.
I mean, you've gone againstthat voice and said no, I'm not
and you haven't died.
But it's really interestingbecause you've had a lot of
success and often these oldvoices that are in our head, I
call them gremlins, old voicesthat that are in our head, you
(39:34):
know, I call them gremlins.
You know we need, we need to tocheck in with them, not try to
get rid of them.
See, we spend a lot of energytrying to get rid of them.
I don't want to hear it, I wantto fight them, I want to, but
but rather repurpose them, ifyou think of them as energy, our
energy, and that they werethere once to protect us.
So probably, if we were workingtogether, we'd probably figure
out when it showed up, but itmight've been when you were 10
(39:55):
years old and you were going onstage and they said you know,
you better not forget your lines, you're going to embarrass
yourself or whatever.
So you studied really, really,really hard and it was true that
you know it saved you fromembarrassment.
So so what we can do is we can.
We can sort of invite it in nowand say listen, I know, thank
you and I honor you for helpingme.
This voice really helped me whenI was younger and when I was
(40:16):
less experienced.
But like I'm a Broadway guy now, like I've done this for six
years, you know I'm going to befine.
But you know, rather than justfiring you, I'm going to recast
you in your role in my head andhow I could really use you is
you know if you could say this,and then you re-script it.
You've heard of re-scripting.
You just give it something elseto say and it will stand down
(40:41):
in the old message.
It's just old data and it hasworked and it's there.
It's actually your ally, it'sactually trying to help you, but
it just doesn't have theupdated info.
This is where your, your uh,your other degree will come in
handy yeah, yeah, exactly, I waslike you speak of my language,
girl.
Yes, it's so it needs.
You need a reboot.
(41:02):
You don't need to get rid of it.
You don't need to go.
Why do I have that?
You don't need to spend anyenergy sort of contemplating it,
but rather invited in and andand know what it is.
So what do you think about that?
Tamar Greene (41:13):
I wholly agree with that.
I really that really resonatedwith me because I I do, without
putting such, I think, suchgreat words to it, it is, it is
what I try to do, I try to tell,even though, what I try to tell
people to do and what I try totell people to do, things that
I'm trying to convince myself todo, yeah, you know, um, but it
(41:35):
is that like, yeah, it it.
It did show up in that way whenI was young and it was a like,
something I was reallyembarrassed about, like you know
, like it showed up even when Ifirst started auditioning in the
city and I thought, you know, Ithought I was great, and and
then I show up in a room andrealize we're in a I'm in a
whole different level of ballgame, you know, and I wasn't, I
(41:59):
wasn't prepared, I thought I wasyeah, and I definitely wasn't,
and I really embarrassed myselfand then, like a casting
director or director, whatever,made a comment like yeah, next
time, you know, be off book,maybe, or whatever, like,
whatever it was, it was, and Iwas like, walk out with my tail.
But you know, like, like, sothat is.
But that has motivated me to toreally really do the work for
(42:26):
something I'm passionate about.
Yep, really, you know, know thesong, know this, know the size.
Even if you're not quite youwant to try to be off book, but
if you're not quite, at leastknow what you're talking about
and glance down, come back upand say your lines.
You know, like those guys, ithas sharpened me yep, that's
what I'm saying it's helped you.
Lisa Hopkins (42:44):
Yeah, you're right .
Yeah, so there could be a fearthere that if I get rid of it, I
might then not.
Do you see the connection?
Tamar Greene (42:53):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And I and it's, it's that's man, that's so good, uh, and it's
it's a little bit different, butI was, uh, tell folks too about
, like what, if I'm on, ifyou're, if you're in a work,
right, you're doing, you'redoing the work, you're doing the
thing.
The moment that you likeactually get bored is when you
mess up and when you screw upand because your brain is not in
(43:15):
it.
So that voice, that voice hashelped me.
Stay in it, stay engaged, be abetter actor, because I know if
I start thinking about what Iwant for lunch, I'm going to
fail and I'm going to embarrassmyself and I'm going to start
sweating and my heart, my bloodpressure is going to go up, all
of that.
So it is, it's very, it's verysimilar.
(43:35):
I like that.
Lisa Hopkins (43:36):
Yeah, and you believe I mean you clearly
believe that without it thatyou'd be off your game.
I would say to you, I wouldchallenge you and say now, Tamar
, in this moment, that it'sactually more likely to distract
you, because when we arefocusing on potential dangers,
(43:56):
in that lower energy that youtalked about the fight or flight
, I call it catabolic energythen what catabolic energy is
draws us towards what's painfulor stressful or whatever.
So your goal then, when you'regoing on stage, if you go on
that way, is to overcome shynessor overcome anxiety or overcome
or get through the lines versusbeing which you're really good
(44:19):
at.
So it's the trusting that youknow, trusting that you know and
again, it's great that it'sthere.
It could be a tool, right, itcould be a reminder, like you
could file it into discernmentversus judgment.
So it's not so black and white,right and not so binary and
just say, listen, I hear you,but I don't need that.
(44:39):
What I need right now is like,you know, give me some energy.
Tamar Greene (44:42):
You know you rock, you know whatever, whatever you
wanted to do, so that you cango out there and kill it yeah, I
, I really I, I'm gonna, I'mgonna re-listen to this for this
moment, I'm gonna, I really am,I, I love it that yeah really
good.
Lisa Hopkins (44:59):
Give it a shot, man, I think it'd be really good
.
And the the other thing thatyou mentioned, you, you were
talking about how it shows up,um, socially, yes, and you and
you use the word should and Icall I should, I could, with
shame.
So when we know that we can dosomething, right.
(45:23):
And we're shoulding all over theplace.
We sometimes do do it, but it'sfueled by shame, but it's
fueled by shame, and so that'sunsustainable.
So I'm sure you do, I'm sureyou should, you listen to should
, and then you push yourself andyou do it and blah, blah, blah.
But as soon as you lose theshame and realize that you have
the capability to do this, thenyou step into I could do this.
(45:48):
And then the question becomesdo I want to do this?
And once you're in, I could dothis.
Then you start going yeah, Icould, I could totally do this.
And then, and then you move to.
You know, I have this wholething called the choice
capacitor.
It's funny.
I was talking I don't know ifyou know noah, noah ricketts,
but he, um, he said I'm puttingthis in my dressing room.
I could send it to you as well,but it's, it's a choice
(46:10):
capacitor, right.
So?
So yeah, I call it energeticchoice.
So we go from I can't to I haveto, right where you're really
pushing through to I should,right, and then to get to the
other side of the more consciouschoice.
Then it you lose the shame,right, and then you're and I
could.
And then you go to not only can, but I want to.
(46:31):
And when you're in, I want to,it starts being connected to
your why.
Why do I want to?
Because I do what I say I'mgoing to do, because I care
about the producer, because theaudience is supporting me,
because whatever, whatever yourwhys are, you start connecting.
And then, once you're there,then it's easy to shift to the
ultimate, which is I get to, andI get to is choice with
(46:54):
gratitude.
That's when you're doing it andyou know you're doing it.
And you're doing it and you'regrateful for doing it.
Tamar Greene (47:04):
These guys pencil out.
I get to is choice withgratitude.
What am I talking about?
It's amazing.
You can feel it right.
Yeah, I can feel it right.
Yeah, that's, I'm definitelygoing to need that, that.
Lisa Hopkins (47:19):
Uh, what you said, you said to know you don't need
it, you want it and I, I willdefinitely I will definitely
share with you, that's fair.
Tamar Greene (47:27):
You need it one, okay, okay you don't need
anything.
Lisa Hopkins (47:30):
You don't even need to be acting or singing.
I mean you know you don't needanything.
You don't even need to beacting or singing.
I mean you know you don't needanything.
These are things you've chosenthat you want to do, yeah, yeah,
and within those choices, wehave choices about how we do
them.
That's where the gold is,that's where the golden thread
is.
Then it doesn't matter whatyou're doing, because you know
what I mean, because you'rereally connected to yeah that's
(47:52):
beautiful, that's profound,that's this is.
Tamar Greene (47:56):
This is not merely a podcast.
I think you're you're notadvertising yourself, as this is
beyond.
What are we talking about?
This is I don't know.
This is, this is amazing.
This is magic.
Thank you, it is a gift.
What you have is is definitelya gift.
I've done a lot of, I've done alot of podcasts.
(48:18):
I've done a lot of interviews.
This is not.
This is something else.
Lisa Hopkins (48:20):
This is, this is special hey, um, what do you
know?
Will stay true about you, nomatter what happens.
Tamar Greene (48:37):
I know that I'll always, whatever happens, I'll
always lead with my heart.
I do.
I do feel that is a foundationof me.
That I really love about myselfis that I I try my best to, you
(48:58):
know, always leave lead withlove and those intentions of um
not harming in my choices.
Yeah, um, um, you know, I'm amiddle child, middle of 10, mind
you Right, exactly, oh, my God.
(49:21):
So, uh, I got to watch a lot of,you know, look up and look down
and and see what to do, whatnot to do, and all that, but
also be the um, the mediator.
Lisa Hopkins (49:34):
Oh, interesting.
Tamar Greene (49:35):
Yeah, and those experiences, which I think is is
made me, you know, definitelymade me who I am, part of what
made me who I am is being in themiddle.
Lisa Hopkins (49:44):
I'm like.
Tamar Greene (49:44):
Ooh, yeah, I hear you, sis, but like I think my
brother's actually trying to sayand oh, no, but sis, but my
brother, I think with my sister,which is actually meaning you
know.
So, so it's, it's, it's why Itick, it's the way, it's the why
I am the way I am.
I really do.
I think it made me moreempathetic, for sure, and like
that's how I, that's how I liketo lead with all my choices, is
(50:07):
knowing that you know all thesepeople mean well, everyone.
There is no like, there's novillain, there's no one out
there.
Really, that's like I want tobe a bad human.
I want.
Lisa Hopkins (50:16):
I agree with you.
Tamar Greene (50:17):
I agree with you yeah I agree and so if you have
that understanding, it's likeall right, listen a little
longer.
Yeah, you know, and I love you.
You know, yeah, and ask anotherquestion, you know, like that,
that's um yeah, so I always do.
I always do whatever, whateverit is I always try to lead with
(50:38):
my heart and lead with love canyou finish this phrase?
Lisa Hopkins (50:41):
most people think tamar green is, but the truth is
I think, uh, most things.
Tamar Greene (50:52):
I think tamar has got it all together right, oh my
god, it's like got it alltogether and very confident in
all that you know and I, I think, um, you know which the, which
is great.
It's a nice thing for people tothink you know of it, but I
think it is even even the.
(51:13):
The con of it is, you knowsomething I felt, even growing
up with so many siblings a lotof times people don't check on
the person they think is strong,you know.
So that's the problem, right,like, and I'm, you know, I'm
confident with the things I'mconfident in.
You know, I'm very ambitious.
We talk about all thesedifferent things, but I'm also a
(51:35):
human who's flawed and is goingthrough stuff and also, you
know, and and people don't often.
This is why, honestly, why I'mloving this, even conversations,
so much because you're divingin on things people don't often
dive in and check in yeah yeah Ifeel that.
Thank you for sharing that yeah,yeah, I didn't expect to share
(51:58):
that, but yeah, whatever, you'refine, that's fine.
Yeah, that's true, yeah, no,absolutely I appreciate that, um
, how do you want to beremembered as someone who really
(52:22):
truly cared right, who, who.
When you think of that person,you smile.
You know it left you withsomething.
You know that I left you withsomething that made you feel you
(52:46):
know good in some way yeah, insome way.
Lisa Hopkins (53:01):
Yeah, yeah, that's how I feel in this moment
Mission accomplished.
I can really feel your energy.
I mean you have a beautifulenergy, I mean you make me feel
good well, well, thank youlikewise.
Thank you you don't even needto sing, although I've got to
say your voice is likeridiculous.
Tamar Greene (53:22):
But thank you there we go.
There it is.
Lisa Hopkins (53:32):
I'm shameless.
Tamar Greene (53:33):
Okay.
Lisa Hopkins (53:34):
So let me see, we'll do.
We do this thing called rapidfire.
It doesn't have to be rapid.
I'm just going to say whatmakes you and I'm going to throw
out a word, and you've probablyheard this before.
So what makes you?
Whatever comes to mind, okay.
So what makes?
And you, just whatever comes tomind, okay, so what makes you
hungry?
Tamar Greene (53:55):
um, seeing delicious things I haven't tried
yet and that could be.
That could be food andotherwise, right, yeah?
There you go and that you'renot allergic to, and then I'm
not allergic to food.
That's good, oh that's good.
Lisa Hopkins (54:12):
No food Just the environmental stuff, all right.
What makes you sad?
Hate?
Tamar Greene (54:26):
What inspires you, friends?
Lisa Hopkins (54:31):
who I see being successful.
Tamar Greene (54:38):
What frustrates you Not being?
Lisa Hopkins (54:42):
heard.
Tamar Greene (54:46):
What makes you laugh, my son?
Lisa Hopkins (54:51):
Love it.
What's your son's name?
Tamar Greene (54:52):
Amari, josiah, oh, that's beautiful.
Yeah, I'm AJ oh.
Lisa Hopkins (54:57):
I love it.
That's great, I love it.
Tamar Greene (55:01):
What makes you angry?
Disrespect and finally, whatmakes you grateful?
Many things uh love life,family, yeah yeah, love it.
Lisa Hopkins (55:22):
So what are the?
What are the top three thingsthat have happened so far today?
Tamar Greene (55:27):
woke up next to a smiling baby.
That that's awesome.
Um, let's see, I'm generallyfeeling pretty good today.
You know, woke up pretty likelighter than than I have and, um
, well, in truth, this is notnot be anything like, in truth,
(55:50):
this conversation, truly, I mean, I wasn't expecting, wasn't
expecting this.
Lisa Hopkins (55:59):
So, yeah, lovely ditto, and what's something
you're looking forward to, bothtoday and then big picture today
.
Tamar Greene (56:10):
I'm looking forward to the moments I'll have
with my family, my wife and myson, before I go to work and do
the thing.
Looking forward to having thattime and in the future I am.
I am looking forward to havingthat champagne with you next
year.
When we're talking about yes,hell yes oh my god, tomorrow.
Lisa Hopkins (56:36):
I so appreciate you taking the time out of your
busy life to be with me in themoment.
Today.
I really, I really have.
I've enjoyed our conversationvery, very much yeah, me too,
lisa.
Tamar Greene (56:47):
Really, truly, truly.
Thank you for making me think,making me feel and teaching me
things about myself.
Lisa Hopkins (56:58):
Thanks so much.
I've been speaking today withTamara Green.
I'm Lisa Hopkins.
Thanks so much for listening.
Everyone, stay safe and healthyand remember to live in the
moment.
In music, stop time is thatbeautiful moment where the band
is suspended in rhythmic unison,supporting the soloist to
express their individuality Inthe moment.
(57:21):
I encourage you to take thattime and create your own rhythm.
Until next time.
I'm Lisa Hopkins.
Thanks for listening.
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