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The gang asks the tough questions, like: "What's going on with this inbred family," and, "is it Weiss, or Weiss?" Then their picks for Time-Loop films are discussed. 

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To show youStrange Aeons. Walton Strange

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Aeons radio. That's Eric overthere.
Hello.
That's business over there. Goodmorning. I'm Kelly. Hey guys, so
glad to see you today. It is anice lovely, pretty summer day
and we are civic Northwest. Sowe've got the shades up on the
window and we're all having agrand time.

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Dark clouds rolling over here.
It will beit'll be it'll be gone in 10
minutes. Yeah. The value forvalue model is rolling along
swimmingly? Yes. And I had aball. I just wanted to throw out
a thanks to Andrew buyers whojust recently sent some money
our way. Thank you so much,Andrew. Also you were asking
about Strange Aeons stuff likethe magazine and the book that's

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coming out. I will be givingeverybody a very big update to
all that as soon as I have some,some real firm dates, but we've
got a novella coming out. Andsupposedly the final issue of
the Macy I would alsowith the final issue why

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I didn't even gethere is Vanessa talk about it
more when it comes. I alsogigantic thanks to Jason Weiss.
Do you guys know Jason Weiss?
Yeah.
Jason, if you're listening,please let us know if you are
like Rachel vise or just Weisswe Is it like the double V for

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like, which I willgo time to change that spelling?
Yeah, I only got I only got tomeet Jason at crypto con once
when he was doing like a johnCarpenter panel. And that was a
blast. And, and I like Jason alot. And I think that it would

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be really nice if we could alldo that again. Sometimes. It'd
be so nice to like, see Jasonand first of all, say hi. And
also there are such amazingpeople at cryptic con that I
missed. Oh, yeah.
I did run into Jason at a partybeing held by Jason who spells
his name wrong. Oh, and talk tohim for a little while there.
And it's like, pretty cool.
gnosis stuff, man.

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Yeah. Well, he showed new stuffon that panel. But Jason and
then suggested maybe we allwatch a movie. And we did.
Yeah. Well, hegave us a list of what you'd
probably call us PlayStationfilms. And we tried to find one
none of us have seen and we wereable to find one that none of us
are saying.

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Yeah, well with that in mind. Wechose the movie body melt or did
it choose us?
I think it shows us I think itlike wrapped its vines and roots
out from under the earth grabbedus and hold us down to it
sopping rotting dirt.
All by that's about how I felt.
For everybody listening bodymelts from Australia. 1993 had a

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budget of $124,000. Wow. But Icould not find any box office
information. No Rotten Tomatoes,critics, but the audience hates
it at 31%.
Honestly, that's high for like,we're talking a little bit

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before that. Vanessa said thatthis is a vinegar syndrome
release. And if you're familiarwith vinegar syndrome, that
gives you a whole little notepadfull of what this movies
probably like. And I'll behonest, it's a little better
than a lot of stuff.
I was actually thinking becauseI almost bought this movie just
based off of the premise. And Iwas thinking, you know what, if

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I had bought this, it stillwould have been in like the top
third vinegar syndrome purchasesthat I've made just for quality
and the fact that has any kindof plot. So good, good work.
Well it was written and directedby Philip Brophy, who is mostly
known as musician and composerof experimental and multimedia
art. This was his only featurefilm, its stars, a bunch of

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people, Gerard Kennedy, wholooked very vaguely familiar to
me, Vincent Gill, who was thenight writer in Mad Max, Gina
Gallus. And then as I starteddigging into deeply, every
single person in this was on aTV show called neighbors.
Yay. Okay.
These birds become good friends.

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Oh, man. Okay, I gotta say,I have not seen this.
Oh my god, it's so good. Soyeah, I think there's a little
bit humor to find that everybodyin this is from a soap opera
that's been running from the80s. They the cast has been put
into this really gooey movie.

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Yeah, it's like a candy bar thatgot kind of wet
and left out with lots of nougatyou get and nuts. I
will say it starts with anadmittedly pretty sexy scene
with the the the nude woman andthe man, I can't tell if they've
just had sex or whatever. Butthen she administers a drug via

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needle to him and he seems verywilling. And I was like,
Alright, I can hang with thesepeople. He was asleep.
Now he can or she was strokinghim and I mean, stroking his
stomach.
But that kind of, but it was acertainly a different look from
the entire rest of the moviethat opening.
Yeah. Yeah. Because I, thishappened and I was like, Oh,

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it's gonna be some kind of sexyor I'm into shit like that. And
then it goes into some weirdAustralian outback inbred family
and a couple of travelers. Yes,yeah. And I was like, Well, now
Where are we? What's going on?
And I'll tell you this throughthe entire movie. I did not
understand what was going onwith the Australian and oh my

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god, I'mso glad you said that. Because I
was also like, I'm gonna be theone person who wasn't paying
enough attention to haveunderstood why I can't why.
Okay, there's a photo that oneof the doctor who gets like his
hair pulled off. Yes, by theguy. Those two were like,
scientists partners at somepoint. Because there's a photo

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of the two of them that theyreference being together this
right. He was supposed to belike the super genius one. The
guy who in the outback. Yeah.
While the other guy just, youknow, sort of the Tesla to his
Newton words are not new Teslato is Einstein, Edison. Edison
damn one of them people. Butthat was what I got out of it

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that he was the one who if he'dstill been working together,
maybe they would have figured itout. Or he took a version of it
early on, which is why hisfamily was all distorted. I'm
not sure what happened after butI did get that. I think at one
point the two of them worktogether
is that because Leah I waswondering because near the end,
he kind of did like a smart dudespeech. And he was playing

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those. This is the same guywho's playing those video games,
right? And just kept unwrapping.
Yeah, okay. I kind of wonderedif he was somehow an assistant
or somehow had worked with theguy. But then I was like, No,
I'm being crazy, cuz that's veryright. I really 10 years. You're
right. Okay, is there is Okay,is there a random question? And
I'm sorry, I know we haven'teven talked about the basics of

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this film yet. But backwatertown the same as like the cool
neighborhood that you should goand live in for the awesome like
health benefits club.
I got the feeling it was allconnected.
Yeah. I was trying to work outif there was like one half of
the town that's just like crazyHicksville and the other half

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that's like a front side.
That was like, that was what Igot. I was
supposed to be decommissioned,right? A couple guys early in
the movie gave Greece a run fortheir money for supposed to look
like teenagers or whateverthey're supposed to is like, I
first i thought i was you know,two guys sharing a house or
whatever. But no, they'resupposed to be the kids and

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their parents aren't. Oh my god.
Yeah, you're pushing for this.
Yeah. So I guess the main storyis the residents the residents
of pebbles court are arebasically they don't realize
that they're being given thesedietary supplement pills and

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they are basically the thecontrol group for this new drug.
And they don't realize it it's ait's a different world when
you're watching something andyou just get this sample thing
in the mail and you just goahead and do it
like the 90s Yeah, man isdifferent time then I know if I
got something randomly sent tome in the mail now I'm leaving
it alone. Especially if it's bya company I've never heard of

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that I know nothing aboutit could make you both
claim to make you the ultimatehealthy human being
and health that health craze manhe was. I don't remember it
because I was pretty small atthe time, but that was strong
shit. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, this feels like it'sabout 10 years too late for the

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health craze. Except that it isAustralia. Yeah,
different timeline. Yeah, thismovie john travolta three I'm
Olivia Newton john alreadyphysical did up a decade are
the pills of course havehorrible side effects. Yeah, but
there is that one great scenethat felt a little bit like it
was cribbed from the stand wherethere's the the scientist is

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trying to warn them. He stolenthe car and everything. Yeah,
the car crashes and a amazingtentacle out of his mouth
effects that I was like, Wow,this looks great. Yeah. And most
of the effects did look prettygood.
Yeah, no really high quality,even though. I mean, it's a
Goofy Movie. But some of thosemoments like there's at one

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point, somebody throw his slitand like things start coming out
of it. And then like slitherback in. Oh, man, that looks
cool.
I found myself probably three orfour deaths in maybe not even
that far. And it started to getthat thing where you know,
something's about to happen. SoI felt myself laying every
coiler back on what sick crap.
They kind of throw out as this.

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Yeah, this was definitely likethe bingo checklist of what is
the grossest thing I can add tothis movie?
There was there was a lot ofliquefying flesh. Yeah, there
were some interesting tonguethings going on. One woman man
Yeah, the exploding stomach wasnice. The heads exploding the

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birth of the baby, whichwas upsetting. Yeah,
the park though at botaniccracked me up when it showed the
photo of the doll or whateverthe in the closet with a tear
blowing all over the place.
Because the lady's stomach blewout.
And then basically everycharacter that you've been

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introduced to dies, and we'releft with a with a scene of the
vitamins being mass produced andavailable very easily at this
stuff kinda Yeah.
For most of the film can go onman, but it doesn't seem like
enough people to barely Youknow, you're watching that
slasher and Yoshi like threekids at the camps are gonna be

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more people aren't. Yeah. Andthen that family August together
in the garden goes to the placethat Oh, there we go.
There they are. There they arethere for more. So literally,
everyone who takes it eventuallydies. Am I correct? Or was there
one?
Even the lady at the at theplace? The beginning?
Yeah. And then the guy she wastrying to off? By giving it? Did

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he eventually die, too. He waslike, I think he's the first
one a year, didn't he? Orsomething like that?
Oh, the scientist, doctor, thedoctor. Here. The guy, the girl,
the guy that she gave this shotto at the first. Here's the one
who went to the conveniencestore. And
he was the one who was drinkingall that time. Okay, I thought
there was one person who theywere having a conversation and
they were like, why didn't youWhy isn't he dead? I thought you

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said he was gonna die. And shewas like, oh, like he was
stronger than I thought I didn'tknow he was gonna be okay with
the serum. So I thought I don'tknow, I was getting pretty lost.
There was a lot of melty, gooeyexplodey things going on.
As far as satire goes, and Ihave to assume that that was the

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point of this is they're makinga statement about the health
craze and the people who areextreme health nuts. This one
had, you know, pretty greateffects. And all of the acting
was pretty decent. He Oh, yeah.
The acting that felt over thetop felt like it was over the
top on purpose. Sure,absolutely. So I didn't. I don't
know. I just enjoyed this. Thethere were a couple of laugh out

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loud scenes for me. Well, likewhen the one kid escapes from
the inbred family jumps in thetruck, and then tries to drive
it off the truck that they'vejust been driving around in
circles this whole time. And itturns out that the steering
wheel doesn't work. And that'swhy it drives around in circles.
I thought that was pretty funny.
And very Australian. I would, Iwould have expected to see that

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in a Mad Max movie.
And it looked like when thoseguys the two older teens were
driving it sure looked like ashot out of Mad Max. Yeah, but
gone. I know there's probably1000 streets in Australia look
like that. But I wonder if theyactually went out and hey, let's
shoot on mad Max's road. No, no.
1015 year or 1012 years laterafter Max, why not?

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There was the one scene wherethe bodybuilder dude puts on the
porn. Yeah. And then his cockexplodes. And when, when that
happened, I had like a moment ofweight. I have seen this
recently. I thinkthat that was the scene shown in
that hospitalization document.

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So yeah. And because all of asudden that happened. And I was
like, have I seen this? Idistinctly remember this
disgusting scene.
I think honestly, was there anyscene that affected you more or
any death that affected you morethan any other like for me, it
was definitely the woman givingbirth to the placenta that
became alive and then the babythat jumped out like face hugged

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her husband.
Yeah, that was probably the mostdistressing, huh? Watching
Anyone have something rip out oftheir body from within while
they're alive and experiencingit is a tough one for me. Yeah,
that's pretty good. They're notreally partially because I think
it was just, I mean, it made melike I said it made me cringy

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feeling. Yeah, but most of themfelt more dead alive than an
exorcist kind of horror, right.
So it felt finished with a lotof humor. Yeah. Even when it was
when her stomach explodes, theinitial part is kind of bad. But
then this is what's with the airblowing up. And like ribbons

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flapping around. So it was allhinged with a really dark humor.
Yeah.
I think the only one that reallyupset me probably was the
kangaroo death.
Well, they did a good job ofmaking it definitely looked like
it is not a kangaroo. Yeah.
And I think the the idea of theway that people feel about

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kangaroos is different in acountry where they're
everywhere. And people werelike, you know, constantly
running into them with theircars and whatever. Like it's
more of a like, Oh, it's a deaddeer kind of thing.
Well, there's Oh, we ever seenwaken fright? No. It's a
fantastic film, one of theprobably one of the better film
best films to come out ofAustralia, but it's got a very,

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very disturbing scene, whichthey tell you a warning about in
the end credits. Okay, thanks.
But it's basically that the anactivity that some people do is
they get in their car andrundown kangaroo? Yeah. So they
actually filmed some peopledoing that. Oh, my God put it
into the movie. Oh, my God, it'svery disturbing. So I think
there's I think it's both got acombo thing there where there's

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probably a lot of people thatabsolutely hate kangaroos. And
that bothers them then the otherside where they're absolutely
being protective of them.
Because this film was very muchlike, this is horrifying. Isn't
it's like, Yes, it is.
Oh, yeah, I guess that's I guessthat's fair
way confront was, you know,seven days ago, I think there
was a different layout totallydifferent. I mean, weekend had

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like a straight up pig slaughteron it. And that was like, Yeah,
I mean, yeah, it was 70.
Different time, Vanessa. Really,the only trivia that made any
sense to me was that this entirefilm was shot over 30 days. The
rest was the rest of the triviawas just the fact that Brophy

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has done a lot of multimediaprojects and things like that
kind of generic. Yeah. And a lotof people saying, oh, did you
know that this person was in thecast of neighbors? Well, it
turned out that like everyone,but Phil was
probably one of those things.
Sorry. Hey, guys, I got aboutthis much money to spend. Let's
get together and have some fun.

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And we'll spend most of it onthe effects. Just so you know.
Interesting, too, that you saidthat the director came from a
sort of music background slashexperimental visuals. Have
either of you seen coolers ice?
The Vanilla Ice movie? Wow,there's a I think that's
probably a first time referenceon this show.

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Well, somehow I miss that one.
Yeah, no, I did do okay. So Ifeel like there's this period of
time. And it's very much alsolike Bill and Ted to where
there's this sort of Dutchcamera, bright colors, low
angles, in your face over thetop exaggerated feel that this
movie really dives into thisvery 90s aesthetic, but like, or

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cool, 90s aesthetic that itreminded me a lot of coolest is
just from the approach. And thatwas also done by a music video
director. And I think so as tomaybe, maybe I'm making that up.
But I think that there's thiskind of crossover effect that's
happening. So I don't know, thatwas something that I kind of
enjoyed about this movie was howof that moment it felt and how

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much it just went for it anddidn't hold back. So that was
kind of cool. Like, I never feltlike it was like, I don't know
whether or not we should dothis. It was always like, Yeah,
let's do it.
I'm not quite sure why one ofthe muscle guys had a woman's
voice dubbed inand like it was funny, but it
was like what Okay, sure.
I'll say this for $124,000 theygot their money's worth. Whoa,

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doesn't look like a it doesn'tlook like an indie film. No, you
know, the the filmmaking wasvery competent. And I thought
the acting like I said was alsovery competent. So in the end,
I'm glad that I saw this. Yeah,I don't know that. I'll put it
on again anytime soon.
But no, no, no, unless like, youknow, we talked earlier at a

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different a different themedpodcast of movies to put on at a
party that will wake everyone upand go What? Yeah, this seems
like that kind of good point.
Have a party Don't tell anyonewhat's going on.
See what happened? Is this atrauma film? No, no, no, this is
better, sir. Not and if thisintrigues you at all, if you've

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seen some other stuff, man, ifyou haven't seen not quite
Hollywood, highly recommendedone of my Favorite documentaries
about film, period it is justfantastic. And a whole lot of
films that I've watched sincethat I've liked. were featured
on that a lot.
Well, I'll say this Jason now,now that you've kind of put this
out there and then we watchthis, I'd love to get your

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thoughts on it. Oh, yeah. Whatare your favorite movies? Is
this I'm gonna make these guyspay.
Yeah, what is this? Was thislike torture was this like, Hey,
guys, if you have not seen thismovie, it's amazing. Like, what?
What was the intention behindthis, sir?
Yeah, I need I need.
Yeah. Okay. Hey, guys. We'reabout we take a little break.

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Come back and then we're talkingtime loops.
Hey, guys, I need to take alittle break.
Hey, guys. Why don't we take alittle break? Come back.

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The Incredible Hulk spider manhe grew up with tall and pulley.
This is a job for me.

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Handsome. The Incredible Hulkand spider man from the
superhero collection each soldseparately by me.
We have returned and Vanessa,this was your sub genre pick?
Yes, it was I'm so excited. Um,I you know, I thought I didn't
like time loop films. I thoughtI found them really irritating

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and just not enjoyable and kindof boring and a little tedious.
But I've come to really love abunch in the last couple years.
Till like a crate, like, happydeath day is one of my favorite
movies of all time. Wow. Yeah.
It's like if I'm not feelinggood. It's now my go to movie. I
loved Palm Springs. There's justbeen a couple of really strong

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time loop foams that I've seenrecently.
So like, maybe any genre though,if it's done well, yes, you're
gonna like it. There's even somefound footage films that are
done well, that I like so.
Exactly, exactly. I think thatthe concept frustrates me. But
if it's executed, right, thenit's well worth it. So I was I

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was thinking it'd be really funto like dive into a couple of
instances of films that eitherhad straight up that Groundhog's
Day feel or had, you know,moments that were on repeat,
like in the matrix where you seethe cat go by and it's like, oh,
wait, that means I'm in thematrix.
So the movie that I chose forthis one, it's funny, because it

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was it was kind of put on andsomebody was like, hey, do you
want to like check out this filmrandom film, like last week
after I'd already said timelybecause I was definitely going
to do happy death there. Andsomebody put on this movie, and
I realized, you know, in fiveminutes in the title and movie
and I was like, and I reallyenjoyed it, and I was like, I

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think I have to talk about thismovie instead. So I'm going with
the 2021 movie boss level.
nj Can I get a large bottle thatbuys you thinking too much?
How can you drink like that too?
I used to complain that everyday felt the same. And now

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every day I have died 144 timeswhen every day it's like this.
But it doesn't matter. Now whenyou've lost everything you've
lovedthen technique killed 150 times
to rewrite history is mine.

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I know everything that's gonnahappen
one thing that never changeswhat's up pretty boy a
bunch of assholes and killing mefor reasons that remain a
mystery. I am goingin and out right now.

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I'm going to need your helpGerman
young woman I've ever lovedanything stumped. Is
he still alive? Over and overagain.
To I sayI would only have a day. I think
we get a lot done in a day.

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Someone's been the busiestlittle baby
because of you exactly.
Bring them all. every last oneof them.

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I can do this all day.
That's a good one.
We're big fans.
Yeah, you both have checked itout. You both have seen it. It's
I think I rented it from Amazonwas how I got a hold of it.
It's on Hulu. So I'm guessingthat sorry.

(25:37):
Oh, you know what? You're right.
In fact, I have that. I havethat in my facts at the very
end. You're right, who availableon Hulu, guys. Um, so it's free.
And the rotten tomatoes. It hasa 73% from critics and a 77%.
From audience. I don't know whatRotten Tomatoes means and COVID
times. I know, you know, wasthere a pre screening was there.

(25:58):
I do know that this was screenedonce or earlier on during
pandemic. But budget for this 43million box office 1.3 million.
Yeah. So I don't again, I don'tknow what that means. We're in
COVID times. It's, you know,streaming deal. situation. I

(26:21):
just don't understand. I I kindof wish that this had been
available to see just intheaters because it's such a fun
theater film. It's very actionoriented. The director of this
which makes sense is JoeCarnahan who's a director,
writer, producer. He's produced27 projects, directed 17 and

(26:43):
written 22. He directed a teamthe gray, and he's doing the
raid remake.
Yeah,I know. Why not use the guy?
Yeah, who did the raid? It'sfine. It was. He also produced a
blacklist state of affairs andthe 2019 Point Break film and he

(27:03):
wrote this movie. He also wrotedeathwish from 2018, narc ATM
and gray. So he's got he's, whatdo they call a triple threat, or
whatever? Yeah, your ProducerDirector. So the and the
writers, the additional writerson this really haven't done much
of anything. There's Chris Boriand Edie Bori, who he teamed up

(27:25):
with I think this was originallytheir film, and he took it on.
They both did boss level as wellas open grave. And then Eddie
Bori did some other crap. Butthey've really he's done for
things Chris boy has done too.
So they're very much newwriters. Starring Frank Grillo

(27:47):
as Roy over our hero. He's beenan 81 projects you you probably
recognize him and go I don'tknow who this guy is. But I've
definitely seen him before. Hedid 76 episodes of a TV show
called Guiding Light. In fact,he did a lot a lot of TV he's
been in prison break the shield.
He's been some show calledkingdom and 40 episodes. He also

(28:07):
is noticeably from Avengers asBrock romulo. So that's where
you're definitely going to belike, Man, this guy. And he's in
the recently released jujitsu.
Which is so bad. Is it? Yeah.
Nick Cage.
I know. That's why wonderful.
god awful. Oh, dang. Alright,well, I guess if I drink enough

(28:32):
vodka, watch it.
Admittedly, you saw Godzilla vs.
Kong was great. So you'llprobably love it.
You know? You and I were eitherreally agree or really disagree.
There is no gray, middle and inthere.
The great combining moment iscrappy super action bullets.

(28:55):
Yeah. You seem to converge onthat very regularly.
I'm glad that you're payingattention to this because I just
know that sometimes he makes memad. And sometimes I'm like,
he's not That's true. That'strue. Oh, Kelly. Um, Frank

(29:16):
Grillo by the way. He is a hardworking motherfucker. He is in
nine films coming out in 2021.
He averages between two to fivefilms per year. This guy fucking
slams it. So I am expecting tosee a lot more of him in the
future. I am worried that hejust gets thug rolls and just
kind of rolls with it. But he'sgot some talent. He's

(29:39):
also like ruggedly handsome.
He's right. He is in his 50s.
Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know. You can actas a guy forever. There's no
limit. We also have a Mel Gibsonin this film. You might remember

(30:01):
him from 61 films including amad mad sorry Mad Max Mad Max to
the road warrior Mad Max threeBeyond Thunderdome and generally
being a racist and scummy humanbeing
my head is found my time in theback of a police car.
Nationally loved andwhy do you get to be so mean Mel

(30:22):
forOh my God. He's also he's kind
of made a bit of a comeback orhe's trying I don't know why
he's forgiven and so many otherpeople aren't. But this guy, he
just, I don't know.
He's making a comeback. He doesmanage to he's kind of back

(30:44):
ending in a smart way. It's notlike he's playing his Lethal
Weapon characters. He now playsthe asshole. He died in whatever
movie he's in. That's true.
Yeah, what's going on? Yeah, andhe's definitely been picking
some really strange rules, whichI think helps a lot more like an
indie or like a B movie styleapproach. So he's been coming
out of actor jail and starringand things like the beaver

(31:05):
Batman and Expendables three.
But I just need to just need tosay it. I was looking into like,
what's going on with Mr. Gibson?
And did you guys know that hecalled Winona Ryder and oven
Dodger?
She says, Cathy hasn't tweetedsecured. How

(31:26):
much can he call her that whenhe doesn't believe?
Oh, that the Holocaust Holocausthappened?
He's a complex humanbeing you know, it's all depends
on what you want to frame yourcurrent argument for you can I
suppose Oh, right now I believein it. But later on, I will.
Also like I don't know, I guessI don't look at people go there.

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Clearly Jewish. Like, I don'tknow how you get that mindset.
But it's, I don't know.
Whatever. Third star in thismovie, the third highest ranking
talent, I should say. NaomiWatts, who's been an 89 things
she you might remember as jetgirl and Tank Girl. Francis
Heffernan and brides of Christ.

(32:13):
Rene in the Christmas wish andthe Additional voices and baby
pig in the city.
Okay,yeah. So you know, real, real,
lots of lots of exciting rolesthat she's picked up. Also on
this film, Michelle? Yeah, yeah.
Ken Jong and Sean McKinney. Sowe just had out of the woodwork

(32:34):
that you'll just be watching thefilm this film and go oh my god,
wait, why are you here? Okay,cool. I mean, no wonder the
budget is 43 million like itshows. It definitely shows the
plot. So as soon as this moviebegins, you know, you're in a
time loop film. Because we startwith him, like 70 runs in to a

(32:59):
time loop. Man wakes up to anassassin trying to murder him.
We go instantly into some videowhere he's talking about, Yo,
this is my day. I've lived itmany times. He gets around the
assassin, there's a helicopterthat pops up outside of his
bedroom window starts shootingthrough trying to get him, he

(33:22):
jumps out the window. Abeautiful woman who's sleeping
in his bed, obviously, just aone night stand runs off into
the distance. And he jumps outthe window onto a garbage truck.
And he kind of leads you throughhis process of how he's
memorized this route and howhe's gotten so far. I think he
gets about 45 minutes into hisday before murder. So he's not

(33:46):
made a ton of progress in allthis time. He is not a fast
learner, I would say. And he'sdefinitely the kind of guy who I
think would be my experiencewith a time loop where sometimes
you just kind of forget and fuckup. So sometimes he's like,
crap, the first thing that'sright, I need to avoid the
assassin who's on my bed. Dangit. All right, here we go.

(34:06):
Again. He brings you throughlike some of his like more
torturous stuffs that reallywere excruciating. It's really
fun because there's a team ofassassins who are after him and
they all have kind of differentthings that they like to do.
There's two women who ridearound in this sort of Van
shooting at him. There's a guywith a harpoon. There's a couple

(34:31):
of dudes who just have all kindsof different personalities. And
it's really fun to kind oflisten to his interpretation,
and he's given them all funnicknames. So our lead is a kind
of mercenary, I believe, slashex military. We learn pretty
quickly on that his wife or exwife, ex wife,

(34:53):
okay, I wasn't sure if they wereestranged or like officially
divorced. Naomi Watts. She'sworking in Some high level
sciency tech Hadron Collidersituations space. He doesn't
really put together any of thosekind of obvious Lincoln Logs
that we sort of all look at asan audience going. Wait, Should

(35:16):
she told you to read this thing?
Why haven't you done it? Yeah,you were 70 runs in sir. It's
it's definitely, it's aninteresting point of view. And I
really dig the way that theyapproach this because it can be
monotonous so quickly, and weare fed new information, as he
starts to think about, maybe Ishould be investigating why

(35:39):
people are killing me. And hejust starts to put together
these little pieces. And witheach run, through the series of
run that we're following himthrough, he's learning little
new things that change hisroute. So there's a couple of
really neat little things inthere, like by accident, and he
discovers that his son whodoesn't know he is the father of

(36:01):
his at a like, retro gamingevent, and kind of stumbles
across him. And he's like, oh,like I could, I could spend some
time with this guy. You know,he, he also decides, at one
point, I'm going to take downMel Gibson, who is his ex wife's
boss, and tries to memorizelike, that particular route of

(36:22):
like, Okay, how do I like, getinto this, like, insane,
complex, and the first time hejust kind of takes out his guns
and tries to like, walkstraight, and that doesn't go
well. And he's like, memorizing,like, okay, where the death
points are along the way, likehow he can, like, circumvent
things and do things quickly. Soit's really fun to kind of learn

(36:42):
with him. I really think youshould check out this film, I'm
not going to get too far intoit. The only thing I'm not a
huge fan of with this movie, Ifeel like the ending is, it's
good. And it works. But I alsokind of wish that it didn't end
the way it ended.

(37:04):
So you'll you'll see you wanteda little more.
I wanted a little more. Yeah. Iwanted that last.
It's It's interesting, becausethe movie, the stakes, are, you
know, high because it's thisguy's life. And then they
suddenly are really high. And Iwas like, oh, wow, we're, we're
doing that. Okay.

(37:24):
I mean, I think that's part ofwhy this movie doesn't get
boring is because it starts offwith like, okay, we don't want
this guy to die. And then yourealize, you know, maybe some
people, you know, his wife, exwife definitely dies. So he's
like, oh, maybe there's a way tosave her. And then his son is in
trouble. And maybe there's a wayto save him. And then it's kind
of like bigger and bigger andbigger stakes. And it's really

(37:48):
fascinating to kind of see himtry to navigate that and go, Ah,
save everybody. Everything. Um,it's a really funny, fun film,
The writing is surprisinglygood. I loved his character
development as well, as he sortof starts off as kind of an

(38:11):
idiot douchebag. And then, buthe he has layers and you get to
see these layers, you know, hegets to onion. And he definitely
you get that transformation ofbecoming a better person a lot
like you do and happy that then,um, I also, there's just a
couple moments I really want topoint out that are just so good.
So at one point, there's a NinjaAssassin woman who's after him.

(38:35):
And every time she kills himwith her, her cool sword Dury.
She goes, my name is Guan Yin.
And Guan Yin has done this. Andthen like some air goes through
her hair every single time. It'sso good. And so at one point, he
has to battle her and he justcan't get past this point
without fighting her. And likeshooting her isn't working.

(38:56):
She's just so good. So hedecides to learn how to become
like a master swordsman. And sohe gets Michelle Yao who like is
basically just a woman in adiner that he keeps, like seeing
out of the corner of his eye.
And so he's like, I need you totrain me. My previous master
left me with like a little bitof info. And then the next day,

(39:17):
he's like, I know a little bitcould you? I these are, this is
where I'm at. She's like, okay,yes. And he goes, and again, and
he's like, my master isextremely good. And I just need
to finesse my technique. And soby the end, he's like, just such
a good swordsman. And he's justreally battling at the same pace
as this this woman which is justreally fucking fun, a lot more

(39:41):
fun than learning the piano.
I was gonna say it's the exactsame a gimmick in Groundhog Day
where bill goes in and learnspiano over the course of
exactly exactly, but itdefinitely used to a really fun
effect. And yeah, just like thethe nice set of characters
around him including these weirdassassin Mel Gibson's character

(40:01):
is actually, you know, just afun D bag. Probably the the most
milky character is Naomi Watts,unfortunately, because she's
really pretty, like cast intoyour like a kind of bitchy ex
who, like is a scientist and youknow, there's just not a lot
there. But our lead is great.
The things I don't like aboutthis really boils down to one

(40:22):
thing, which is the people whowrote this known very little to
nothing about video games.
I kind of think that this is atitle that doesn't quite fit
with this movie.
Yeah, yeah. Because, and yeah,it's kind of a misleading title.

(40:43):
First of all, like you're kindof alluding to, and on top of
that, like they go in so hisson's at this retro gaming
event, and he goes down there,and like, everything they're
saying is wrong, includingtheir, like, Street Fighter
sidescrolling game, it's notwell, they call it a 16 bit
game, which is not, they'reusing the wrong controllers.
Everything is just so like,committed to this idea of video

(41:07):
gaming, but with no consultationto anyone who plays games. So
it's just weird. And anyone likeif you're trying to appeal to
that crowd, you're just pissingpeople off.
I'm the one that I kind of,like, okay, whatever was the
controllers because it felt likethey just use whatever they

(41:28):
could get. That would stillwork.
I think in there is like, therewas a lot of like, retro like
mods that are available. So youcan definitely play retro games
on like newer controllers,controllers, it just irritated
me personally.
Well, yeah, the references thatwe're going to try to drop
knowledge and you droppingcomplete incorrect knowledge.

(41:51):
That's definitely he was.
It was fucking frustratingpeople come on.
Like, I could figure this out inmaybe 15 minutes, you know,
like, have all this informationracked up so you can not sound
like an idiot. A little bit oftrivia. There's not a lot of
trivia on this. But Frank Grillohis actual son played Rio

(42:13):
Grillo. So he was or sorry, hisson Rio Grillo played his son
Joe in the movie, MeadowWilliams who plays a gun, the
gun toting Pam, which is thename that is given to her, also
served as executive producer onthe film. Joe Carnahan, the
director is also the man eatinglunch in the bar while Roy is

(42:37):
trying to pull a tooth out forsome reason
VIP kid and producer. So shesaid, I'll write your giant
check if you give me a roll. Andthey lucked out that she's
actually really good.
Yeah, yeah, basically. I think Ithink so. Because there's
definitely some like fun like,hey, crew member Do you want to
like bring those? I looked atall the assassins and very few

(42:58):
of them. Were beyond like, youknow, be list actors or like
background people. So I think itgave some really nice room to
some underused people. May 9,the day that's being repeated,
is actually the directorsbirthday. And surprising.
Fun, stupid fact. Is coffeemachine that gets blown up in

(43:21):
the beginning. Yeah, I got thesame coffee machine. Oh.
is in this movie?
Are you also an executiveproducer?
Is your coffee machine andit gave like 50 bucks and they
said Yeah, well, we'll use yourcoffee machine.
If you won't be getting it back,though.
No. They used about 50 of those.

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Um, Joe Carnahan has been tryingto make this movie for years. It
was originally called continue,which was an okay title. It was
written by Chris borean ed Bori.
In 2010. Carnahan rewrote thescript and announced in 2012
that he would direct it for 20thCentury Fox. He later filmed
screen tests with Frank Grillo,and Fox ultimately decided not

(44:07):
to move forward with it forportly disagreeing with Karna
Hans choice to cast Grillo asthe star. Carnahan later posted
those same screen tests onTwitter I think kind of as like
a fuck Yuda 20th century themovie was bought, but then by
entertainment meant studiosmotion pictures in April of
2018. While it was filming, itwas going to be released in

(44:31):
August 16 2019. but ended upmissing this date. With no new
date announced in June 2010Entertainment studios said that
they had passed on releasing itdue to the final product not
meeting their expectations,which is fucking weird cuz it's
a good movie.

(44:52):
And not only that, but would yousay it was $43 million. But
yeah, it looks like you know, agigantic summer blockbuster Yes,
it does. And it's got, you know,star power in it. I don't know
what the problem is. So inNovember 2020, the US
distribution rights wereacquired in an eight figure deal
with Hulu. And it was releasedMarch 5 2021. available only on

(45:17):
Hulu, of course, for obviousreasons. So it's, I mean, I love
that we're in a streaming agewhere a movie doesn't disappear
in the way that it used to, likethis would have been shelved and
never seen. If, you know, yeah.
If it hadn't been for a streamerto pop in and say, fuck it,
we'll put it on Jesus. This is agreat film.

(45:40):
Yeah, I was really disappointedafter watching this for them,
because I felt I love FrankGrillo. Yeah. And I felt like,
you know, boy, this is the moviethat would have put him on to
the a list would have gotten somany good rolls after this. And
then you know, yeah, went toHulu. But that's just not the
same. And it's notI agree, I really I would have

(46:00):
loved to have seen this movie intheaters. It would have been a
really fun theater experience.
Yeah.
And I think it would have been ahit. Yeah, I
think. Yeah, I mean, maybe itwouldn't have been, you know,
number top three, but I bet Iwouldn't have a problem seeing a
crack the top 10 box office fora year.
There's no way this moviedoesn't make its money back. Oh,

(46:20):
my gosh, five. Yeah, easily. Youknow if things go wrong, that's
all it does. Right. A couple 100million.
Absolutely.
Absolutely. So that was mychoice. And I cannot wait to
hear what you guys picked tojoin
us. I love that. Who wants to gonext? Right. Nice. Okay, nice.
Okay, you go. Okay.

(46:40):
I go up.
Okay, so I'm doing Groundhog'sDay because no, no. Nobody ever
talks about that one for thisstuff. No, no, I'm going to
different route with 1998 runLola run.

(48:24):
If you're a film fan, and you'rearound a certain world of film
in 1998, you probably saw andheard about this because it was
an indie, huge hit. But itwasn't much beyond the art
house. It was rotten tomatoesis. Again, one of the highest
rated ones. I may have talkedabout 93 from critics and 90

(48:46):
from the audience.
Wow.
The budget was $2.1 million. Andthe box office was 7.2 million.
So it did fine. But itdefinitely was you know, an
arthouse kind of film, directedby Tom takfir, who's got about
20 plus credits, includingperfume the story of a murder,
which is a hell of a lot of thatmoney, and Cloud Atlas, which

(49:10):
less he's the screenplay forCloud Atlas, Babylon Berlin, but
I don't know that one.
Babylon Berlin is on Netflix.
It's a series. It'sgorgeous the TV is I go, yeah.
Stars Franca Franca. pretentwho's just done a ton of German

(49:33):
production. production. She'salso been in house or Bourne
Supremacy house American HorrorStory, The Conjuring two. She's
all over the place. Oh my god, alot. I didn't know she made it
pass born she looks verydifferent. Now. She's got long
black hair. Oh, she looks verydifferent from the runner.
Oh my god,I gotta be I gotta watch some.
Whatever.

(49:56):
Other things and more. It'sblood patrol. Something like
that dagang, which is a TV show,Fandango. I've never been to New
York. Sorry, sir. And Herbertnaap, whose lives of others, and
152 other things, that'sbasically that the cast other
than that it's a whole bunch ofsmaller repeating roles. At

(50:19):
opens up with a philosophicalmoment of questions of who we
are as humans, and why askingsuch questions does lead to more
questions. And as individualswho run into different answers,
which actually plays out in themovie extremely well. The
opening credits have some kindof fun, but a little strange

(50:40):
animation, very, sub HannaBarbera, cartoon level
animation. And then they use mugshot style images to introduce
the cast. And techno music isplaying, which plays a lot in
this movie, which was alsowritten by Tom. Once the movie
starts, it's still playing, butit kind of mutes down a little

(51:01):
bit. Okay, let's get into themovie. And it starts with the
two leads explaining or Lolatalking to her boyfriend on the
phone and he's trying to explainwhat happened because she was
supposed to pick them up on amoped and the moped got back run
over destroyed or something likethat. So she didn't make it. So

(51:21):
now he's got this money theysuppose are these diamonds he's
supposed to deliver to some verynice people. And if he doesn't
make it by like, 1230 they'llprobably kill him. And so
there's three points in thismovie where Lola screams when
she screams shit happens. So badmoment, the first time she

(51:43):
screams is I click into oftenrunning and she's got a plan to
try to get the money back. And Itell you a little bit the movie
puts the term lightning pace tothe test. This sucker moves at
an incredible pace and running,always running. She runs a lot.

(52:04):
The movie runs with her there'sa curious if Ron will feel the
same way about this song as Idid at one point he decided that
director decided need to addsome lyrics of the rhythm and
I'm hearing this rhythm goingwithout print sound as a
soundbite. It took a long timebut I finally got it. I know.
It's a series of various talkingabout Irish that goes right in

(52:27):
with Prince's song controversy.
I'm curious if Ron's gonna agreewith me on that one. And the
lead. Lola, the actress singsthose lyrics is saying those
lyrics apparently so and showswhat one thing they do. That's
really a neat stunt that tiesback into that opening quote,
was when she runs into aboutfive, maybe six people she runs

(52:51):
into throughout the movie. Andwhen she hits them, the movie
flashbacks and does a series ofstills to show what happens to
them after she leaves me. AndTam, that's cool. It's really
well done. There's another weirdthing that's happening that
while you're watching is whythis is going on. It's a series
of a couple arguing and the filmshine a lower quality. So it

(53:14):
definitely differentiates itfrom Lola story. And then
eventually she comes into thatstory. And you find out it's her
dad arguing with is the woman ishaving an affair with and how
they're going to how he's goingto leave at this point how he's
going to leave little as wife ormom and get married to this lady
or something. At this point,she's just trying to borrow

(53:35):
money from her father whoappears like he runs a bank or
works in a bank or somethingthat doesn't go off real well.
The her boyfriend said if shedoesn't arrive in time, he's
going to rob this grocery storebecause he hears they have up to
a half a million dollars gothrough their doors in a day.
And he needs like 100,000 orsomething. So plenty. And she
arrives just at the moment wherehe started to rob and there's a

(54:00):
great scene where they'retalking to each other through
the window. And the directorshot this Carnage people gonna
make fun of me because they'retalking really low. So in real
life, there's no way to reallyhear each other, but it works so
well in the movie. It's so cool.
So it's like, Who cares? It'scool. So we forgive that. And at

(54:20):
this point, she gets a gun anddoesn't know how to use the gun
and he teaches her he tells herhow to turn a safety off, which
actually comes into play lateron.
And he does not survive thisparticular version. And this is
where it's a very different timeloop from the there's never

(54:42):
seems to be a definite awarenessthat she's repeating. Shayla
repeats three times. Althoughthe story's only done three
times. And she seems to learn alittle bit each time or people
around her figure things outabout her. It's it's very
bizarre, but it's done reallywell. This one, she starts
again. And each time she goesback, it's the two of them the

(55:03):
couple laying in bed in this seaof red talking about life and
the robberies, various things.
And she's often running again,this time animated examples of
the this, like when she sees herdad this time, or she runs into
the one lady and the story loopsagain. So you get to see a very
different life, this woman sheran into with first time as, and
this time when she runs into herdad, he's trying to break up

(55:26):
with the lady. So things changearound her, which is really
cool. And I tell you, once theystart doing that background, and
she runs into that person, youknow that they've done the
flashback or flash forward forbefore. There's one where she
kind of misses her and theydon't do on like a, I feel
robbed. But it comes back andthey do they get that. So they

(55:47):
they set that up. And it's sointeresting. And so well done,
that every time one of thosepeople shows up. Oh, cool,
what's gonna happen this time,because it changes each time she
runs into them. So this one hasa great setup, the ending for
the reel isn't quite as welldone, but it's still cool. So
she gets into the time loopagain. She screams again, in a
way that helps her solve a lotof her problems. What's the one

(56:11):
loud scream? It's I don't know,I love the hell out of this
film. I liked it so much. Iremember liking when it first
came out, I remember thinking isreally cool. It's even better
than I remembered it. So that'sso much better than when you
revisit an older film. It's sosmart in the way it tells even

(56:32):
though even the things that arechange work, it makes sense.
Like there's a blind lady thattalks to the boyfriend after
he's on the phone a coupletimes. And she indicates things
to him. That helped him along.
Because they're they're notindependently looping the people
she running into, that she'slooping to are also going

(56:55):
through different things. Soit's not just her interacting
with the same world every timetrying to figure out what's
going on,remind me is it explained why
this is happening now.
If it is I totally missed itactually seems to learn things
like the she doesn't know how toturn a safety off on a gun. And

(57:18):
another one, the second one,she's kind of robbing the bank.
And somebody makes a comment. Soshe immediately flips the safety
off on the gun and knows exactlywhat she's doing with the gun
this time or the guard that letsher in? Oh, you finally shown up
again or something. Where's thateffect? He says to her it's
really, really interesting. Theplay in ideas kind of goes

(57:41):
against the idea of chance, andwe'll see what it's playing with
the idea what matters more, isthat our will have what we put
into things or is it just chancethat saves us from things.
That's what the director wasexperimenting with anything you
did a really good job and thewriting and directing of this of
working those two angles, and itdoesn't and it does not give you

(58:02):
necessarily an answer. It evenusing her screen even sort of
confuses it more withoutactually doing anything or
what's going on here. It doesoccasionally fall into the late
90s overly shakey cam, stuffthat works most of the time, but
it doesn't do it enough that itbecomes like okay enough. It won

(58:26):
the 1999 Sundance Audience Awardback when Sundance still kind of
meant something. smallcommercial now quite literally.
Yeah, disagree. I can't disagreehard enough.
That also won Best Film at siff.
Seattle International FilmFestival. Oh my god, yes,
selected but not nominated asBest Foreign Language Film 71

(58:50):
Oscars, so it's kinda like afinalist, and robbery where they
did the supermarket where theydid the robbery, this filmmaker
spent five weeks convincing thesupermarket to let them use this
location. Like, I don't want youto rob us.

(59:12):
It's not real.
There's the shot of the crowdsspelling out the title of the
movie, at the beginning is itlooks like a giant crowd all
forming at once. It's not it's300 extras, each doing one
letter. And they had to do itover time because they couldn't

(59:32):
afford to hire the amount ofpeople they need to do that. And
do it in one single shot. Soit's actually a composite. Okay,
follow that and it works reallywell. Let's see the confirmed
contains 1581, transitions,edits, dissolves, fades, etc. in
71 million minutes of action. Soyou take out the credits and the

(59:55):
pre credits and there's 1500cuts. Wow. Average shot length
is about 2.7 seconds. what'skind of interesting? Is it a
flip of what happens with mostmovies nowadays, the longer it
goes, the longer the shots get.
So it starts off faster in thebeginning and slows down with
those cuts as it goes on. Notthat it gets read.

(01:00:18):
And apparently, I wasn't able tofind this, because I didn't feel
like renting the if there's anEnglish dub version, but the
English dub version, it'sconsidered one of the worst
that's ever been done for amovie of its quality and budget.
Then I looked at like when Iheard that I looked at rent I
think for Amazon, it's for a lotof people. Like Can I change and

(01:00:39):
it didn't, they didn't even havethe option to listen to the
English. Little side story ofour favorite asshole. No, please
favorite asshole HarveyWeinstein before he became a
famous producer Jason blem wasworking at Miramax and he had a
chance to buy this movie andpassed on it. And Harvey found

(01:01:00):
out how after the film did hecredibly successful that I think
the 7 million was just in theUS. I don't know what he did
internationally. And Harveybecame enraged and threw a
burning cigarette in his face.
does sound like the HarveyWeinstein? I know.
Like grabbed a plant.
masturbate. Hey, Jason.

(01:01:22):
You gotta watch this.
You know how you've got thosenotes? Sometimes in IMDb, and
sometimes they're good. Andsometimes they're like, I don't
think so. I like this one at theend. The film in his visual
style could have influencedcrank. Oh, okay. Thanks.
Very helpful. Thanks, IMDb.

(01:01:43):
trivia note. I like the could.
Oh, man. I love this movie. I'mso stoked that you picked it.
Yeah, this was definitely one ofthe early films that kind of, I
saw it way too young to watch itbecause my brother was really an
arthouse cinema. So I saw likethis and Unshin and Dylan and he

(01:02:04):
stole my cheese or whatever.
That's my bike.
The woman opened a window. Andit just I mean, it just really
got me interested in cinema as awhole and just really, really
loved this movie. SoI'm cool. So excited. You picked
it.
Man, Eric, class in the joint upwith his Well, I went in a

(01:02:31):
different direction. And I chosefrom 2011 source code.
I took your advice was very goodadvice.

(01:02:53):
I can see that you think youknow me, but I don't know where
you are. My name is CaptainColter Stevens. I don't know who
Sean is. And I don't know whoyou are.

(01:03:18):
Welcome back. Captain Stevens.
Where am I? You are inside thesource code. What
is the source code to computerprogram captain. Source Code
enables you to cross over intoanother man's identity in the
last eight minutes of his life.
At 748 this morning, a bombexploded on a train outside of
Chicago killing everyone onboard. A man named Shawn

(01:03:40):
Fentress was on that train. Heis now you think Captain
remember back who bombed thetrain?
On the train? Then try again.
Wait, no. What do you think it'sthe same train but it's
different.
We've been informed there'll beanother attack in six hours. If
you find the bomber, the nextattack can be prevented.

(01:04:03):
Concentrate on the passengers inyour car. Look for ones who seem
nervous as always you will haveeight minutes
eight minutes and then I blow upa guest
what would you do? And if youknew you had less than eight
minutes to liveI'd make those seconds Can
I want to go back in I'm gonnasave for it
doesn't work that way. ChristinaStan, she doesn't have to be.

(01:04:26):
This movie is great. You guys.
budget of $32 million box officehave $147 million worldwide. The
Rotten Tomatoes for the criticsis 92% and the audience has it
at 82% it was directed by DuncanJones so now it all becomes
clear he did before this moonafter this Warcraft.

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No really, Wolfand in pre production right now
with rogue trooper and if youare a fan of the Brit comic 2000
An ad you know what a roguetrooper is and what you have to
look forward to Oh weird. DuncanJones of course was produced
himself by David Bowie and Angieboy. Oh, written by Ben Ripley,
who wrote species three andspecies for the flatliners

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remake, and it has beenannounced that he has written
source code to it is starringJake Gyllenhaal from dirty
Donnie Darko bubble boy jarhead.
Zodiac Nightcrawler Spider Man,far from home for you played
Mysterio Michelle Monaghan fromthe Bourne Supremacy the first

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season of True Detective andMission Impossible fall out. And
to my surprise, a very younglooking Vera Farmiga from The
Conjuring franchise, Bates Moteland Godzilla King of the
Monsters. Have you guys seenthis movie?
Yeah, but not since theaters? Soit's been or

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ever? Yeah, well, I mean, thisis 2011. So 10 years ago, you
saw this movie. Wow. And Iremember liking this movie. And
at the end of it, I was like,holy shit, this movie is
amazing. It starts off with aman waking up on a train sitting
across from a woman who we willcome to find out is named
Christina. The woman knows himby the name Sean, but he doesn't

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seem to know who he is at all.
So when she's like trying to gethis attention, He's not
answering to his name oranything like that. And a series
of events happen that veryquickly. Christina gets a call
from her ex. In the triviayou'll find out that the picture
that pops up on the phone isthat of Duncan Jones.
Oh, sir.

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A woman walks by and spillscoffee on his shoe. The train
ticket taker asked for histicket. And then after eight
minutes of this, a bomb goes offon the train killing everyone.
Know how you kind of forget amovie and somebody says
something, the whole thing doeswell, there it is.
So then, the man wakes up and hefinds himself kind of he's

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strapped into this smallgeodesic dome, and it's kind of
like a What do you call it asensory deprivation tank without
the water. But it's got a littlebit of light because we need to
be able to see his face and hisreactions. And he's got a little
computer screen that pops on.
And Vera Farmiga shows up she'splaying corporate Goodwin, and
she is a military army officerand explains that he is actually

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Colter Stevens, a decorated armyhelicopter pilot who is now on a
mission to locate the maker ofthe bomb which destroyed that
train. And this is to beaccomplished using a program
called the source code, which isa time loop program that allows
him to take over someone's bodyin a reenactment of their last
eight minutes of life. Wow.

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Yeah. So it's it's kind of acomplex story, but it it tells
us up very quickly, like in thefirst 15 minutes, you're on
board and you realize, oh, okay,he is his mind is being
projected into the body of oneof the doomed passengers. So his
mission in the source code is toassume the identity of Sean
Fentress. Like what I said oneof the trains dead passengers,

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he's supposed to locate thebomb, discover who detonated it
and report back to Goodwin toprevent the bomber detonated a
larger dirty nuclear device indowntown Chicago. And he has
every time he goes back onlyeight minutes to get this all
figured out. And by the time hestarted this, we find out he's
been doing this like 40 timesalready. And he he's having a

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hard time remembering anythingbut as this goes on and on he
suddenly remember more and more.
The source codes creator who isJeffrey Wright from Westworld.
He's everybody in this is just asuper powerful actor, and
they're so good and the story isso strong. And they're just
given great dialogue andanything that is like, Fuck, you

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know, as a as a film geek,you're just in heaven, because
there's some really cool effectsgoing on. And it's just like,
wow, this is such a great movie.
I mean, I was literally like,why don't I have popcorn in the
house with me. So the creatortells him that source code is

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not quite a simulation, but avisit into the past in the form
of an alternate reality. So youcannot alter the past. It's
already happened. But he is ableto once he goes in there, he
thinks that he's able to becausehe actually gets Christina off
the train with him. They theydisembark and then the train

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goes on, and it explodes. And hehas saved her right, except he's
only got that eight minutes. Sohe suddenly lands back in the
geodesic dome. And the next timehe's back there, even though he
had saved her. She's on thetrain. He's in that same spot
again. And so he's having all ofthese problems with this. Go and
wait a second. You guys I savedher. She's not one of the people
who died and they're like she'son the death list. You didn't do

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anything. You couldn't possiblyhave done anything, you're not
really traveling back in time.
So he is sent into the sourcecode repeatedly each time that
series of events repeat withvariations due to how he acts
too. So pretty soon, he'sgetting very quick at moving his
foot out of the way, the girl isgonna spill the coffee on it.
Hands, the tickets of the tickettaker very quickly tells

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Christina you know that herboyfriend is a loser and her
accident, stop worrying abouthim and all this stuff. And, and
he's meanwhile now checking outall the passengers and trying to
figure out which one of them hasthe, the, he's pretty sure it's
a phone detonator. So he startedto look at everybody. He goes in
and finds out, he finds thebomb. And it's a bomb that, you

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know, he clearly has some kindof understanding of and
realizes, okay, a phone can callinto this. So I'm looking for a
guy on his phone. But as this isall going on, he's, of course,
falling in love with Christina.
And he's, he's certain he canactually change this and save
the people on this. He, at onepoint, takes a cell phone, and

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he starts looking up stuff. Andthis is where the movie gets a
little wonky. Because you'relike, why is there so much
information available to him, itshould just be the people on the
on the train and all that butit's not he can use the cell
phone. And he actually googledhimself and finds out that he
died two months ago. heconfronts Vera Farmiga with this

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information. And he learns that,yes, he had been shot down in
Afghanistan, and his mutilatedbody was appropriated by the Air
Force and used to operate thesource code. There have been
other.
Other I guess you would callthem experimental soldiers,
probably the same thing. Wedon't get to know anything about

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him. But we do get to know thathis brain is the only one that
has actually been able to dowhat he's doing right now, which
is interact with the sourcecode, and then back to Goodwin.
So he finally comes to termswith the fact that okay, I can't
change the world and all that,but I also don't like what I am
basically a brain in a jar. Imean, we get to see what he is.

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And he's not that but he's notmuch more than that. And so he
says, If I do this, if I getthis, the identity of this
bomber and everything, we allowme to pretend to save everybody
on this train, and then and thenjust let my time run out. I
don't want to be doing thisbecause he finds out the next

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thing that is scheduled tohappen with him. If he succeeds,
this is his mind is wiped andhe's set on to the next thing,
you know, selfies. Vanessa, doeshe save the day? I can't
remember. Of course he does. Butthat actually becomes a
secondary mission for himbecause what he's really doing
the humanity of the story is thethe explosion has already

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happened. Right? for him. Hismission is now to save this,
this digital group of peoplethat he has come to interact
with in love with numbers. I amnot going to tell you exactly
how it all winds up. Except thatit is so fucking satisfying that
there were tears in my eyes.
It's got a really neat littletwist at the end to that you're
like, Huh, what is going onhere? It's just I forgot how

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cool this movie was. It nailsthe landing? A little bit of
trivia. The screenplay for thisfilm was featured in the 2007
blacklist, or yes now with theblacklist. Wow. No, it is a list
of the most liked unmadescripts. Oh, so these things get
passed around to people and it'sbecome kind of a kind of a

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unofficial contest in which alot of the people who are
reading them are studio execsand everything and they'll just
find a script and they'll belike, what the fuck? Why hasn't
this been made yet? It's just anamazing film. And so they put it
on the blacklist in the hopesthat other producers will Oh,
that's so cool. Yeah. JakeGyllenhaal was attached to the
production before Duncan Jonesand after seeing moon Gyllenhaal

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has the Jones be the director.
That's cool. Vera Farmiga statedthat she took the roll just at
the start of her pregnancy inFebruary of 2010. And she knew
that in that scenario, she wouldbe unavailable for the next 10
months. she filmed all of herscenes in 10 days. Whoa. And you
only ever really see her fromabout the chest up. She's

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sitting behind a computer thewhole time. And most of the time
you see her is through hiscomputer screen so they could
hide all that stuff. Anyway.
This is the one that I thoughtwas so interesting. The pilot
episode of quantum leap from1989 features the main character
played by Scott bacula, jumpinginto someone else's body in the
past, and the episode ends withhim calling and talking to his

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father as he is still alive atthat time. In the final scene of
source code when the maincharacter similarly takes
advantage of being in the pastto call his father, the father.
His voice by Scott bacula whostarts off his phone
conversation by saying, oh boythis is trademarked. And just
yeah, this movie just left mefeeling so good. It's so rare to

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get one of these feel goodmovies anymore. I was just like,
I just I was like I when forsure.
Oh my god see we all three ofthese have good amyx
Yeah, and we'll learnthat anyways. Yeah, one weird
thing that occurred to me whileyou're talking about that. You
know, one of the things that hitme with possessors I thought it
felt really really, reallyoriginal. Hmm. I guess it might

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have borrowed an idea from thismovie. If that's very similar.
Well, that's the episode so thatmeans whose shoes am I choosing
next?
I think so.
Yeah. Oh, man,you guys you're gonna have
fucking hate me. Oh, you thelistener are gonna love me for

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sure.
Are you guys familiar with thefilm director Alan Smithee?
Not on a personal level, butjust
take take us on on tears on ajourney.
Alan Smithee is the name thatdirectors will use on a film.
They are allowed to use this bythe Directors Guild if they feel

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like the film has been takenfrom them. And the studio has
changed it in a way that theyare uncomfortable with or so
much so that it doesn't feellike their project.
Right. So many of the mostfamous version of this is
probably not fully because Ithink he put his name back on
it.
Oh, we're talking like a dune.
Yeah. So if you do a littleresearch on that, I think that
that he took his name off of it.

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They then allowed him to go backand put in a couple of things
that he was okay with, and thenhe put his name back on. But
when Dune first showed ontheater screens, it was an Alan
Smithee film. And I think it'shigh time that we do an Alan
Smithee retrospectives.
This almost feels like a veryclever applause to way of doing

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another worst films. Well,except that there's no guarantee
these films will actually begood or so bad that they're
good. This could just be a bunchof bad films. But I think it'll
spark some nice conversationbetween the three of us.
Yeah, I'm really excited. Ihaven't dug into this. This
cornerof the the you don't have Alan
Smithee at the top of your list?

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Yeah, directors want to see alltheir work from
I vaguely remember this being athing and then never thinking
about it again. So it'll be niceto kind of do a dive. I don't
want to say deep dive a milddive
into this. Well, I know thatthere are a number of films with
this credit on IMDB, but I don'tknow how many of them will

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actually be readily available.
And I don't know how many fitinto the genre that we normally
talk about. So in this case, I'mgoing to open it up to all
genres. Any film you want towatch and get in this list.
Fantastic. You want to watch?
Yeah, want being a strong word?
That's right. Fantastic. I'mhoping I'll find a director who
was foolhardy. And actually,their film was very good, and

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they just don't recognize.
It can happen it can happensometimes. It'll be different
from this one, because I thinkthis first one in a while we've
liked all three, all three of ushave liked our pics a lot. So
that probably won't be true.
Yes.
shot in the leg. Thanks, Kelly.

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