A Discovery of Witches Chapters 12 - 16 Discussion | 3

Hello! This week we are discussing chapters 12 - 16 of A Discovery of Witches by Deborah Harkness. Diana and Matthew get closer and we learn a lot about certain historical figures and events.

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(00:26):
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lore,
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then
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congregation
section
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chapters,
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(01:06):
little
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lore
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here.
We'll
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about
two
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I'm
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me
about
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could
happen
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favorite
quote.
I'll
pick
a
favorite
quote
from

(01:27):
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chapters.
For
this
episode
we
are
discussing
chapters
twelve
through
16.
So
whether
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Now,
with
all
that
being
said,
let's
go
ahead

(02:07):
and
get
into
the
manuscript
section
and
talk
about
what
happened
in
these
chapters.
Chapter
twelve
starts
out
with
Diana
preparing
dinner
for
Matthew.
She
had
been
trying
to
figure
out
what
to
cook
for
him

(02:27):
all
day.
She
was
relieved
that
she
was
able
to
avoid
run
ins
with
Peter
Knox
and
Gillian
Chamberlain
earlier
that
day
in
the
library,
and
she'd
be
able
to
focus
on
the
dinner.
But
when
Matthew
arrives
to
her
rooms,
Diana
feels
a
flutter
of
nerves,
but
quickly
dismisses
them.
I
think
we
can
call

(02:47):
it
a
date,
Diana.
I
think
it's
okay.
At
first
when
Matthew
arrives,
he
just
stands
at
the
door.
Diana
invites
him
in
and
makes
a
comment
inviting
vampires
in
her
home.
Matthew
responds
to
her
and
tells
her
to
forget
what
she
thinks
she
knows
about
vampires.
During
the

(03:07):
evening,
Diana
watched
Matthew
while
he
assessed
his
wine
and
wondered
how
many
sensory
receptors
a
vampire
had
in
their
nose.
She
also
admitted
to
herself
that
she
didn't
know
the
first
thing
about
vampires.
Maybe
that
will
change,
Diana.
Maybe
that
will
change.
As
they
share

(03:27):
a
meal,
they
talked
and
vampires
came
up.
Diana
also
wanted
to
know
if
Matthew
can
really
eat
the
smoked
salmon.
And
he
said
yes,
and
he
happens
to
like
smoked
salmon.
But
he
also
admitted
that
he
only
takes
small
bites
of
most
food
and
it
doesn't
taste
like
much
to
him
unless

(03:48):
it
is
raw.
They
continue
to
talk
about
the
eating
habits
of
vampires
and
other
things
about
vampires.
We
learned
that
Matthew
invited
Diana
out
to
eat
so
often
because
it's
easier
to
be
around
her
when
she's
eating.
Eating
cooked
food
nauseated
him,
and
as
long
as
he's
nauseated,
he

(04:08):
isn't
hungry.
So
they
continue
their
discussion
and
talk
about
the
differences
between
humans,
vampires,
witches
and
demons.
In
a
candid
moment,
Diana
dares
to
ask
Matthew
what
she
smelled
like,
prompting
a
thoughtful
pause
from
Matthew.
He
does
give
his
answer,
though.
Matthew
then
thanked
Diana

(04:28):
because.
Because
it
had
been
a
very
long
time
since
someone
had
made
a
meal
for
him.
He
brought
over
a
wine
for
them
to
have
for
after
dinner,
and
it
was
from
1811.
The
conversation
then
turned
to
Matthew's
age.
He
first
answered
that
he
was
older
than
he
looked.
Finally,
after

(04:48):
being
hesitant
about
it,
he
gave
her
an
answer.
More
on
that
later.
So
Diana
asked
him
what
he
was
doing
in
the
fall
of
1859.
And
Matthew
wants
to
know
what
Peter
Knox
had
been
telling
her.
Matthew
tells
Diana
what
vampires
believe
about
Asheville
72.

(05:09):
And
Diana
tells
Matthew
what
she
knows
about
the
book.
Before
Matthew
left,
he
invited
Diana
to
his
lab
the
next
day.
He
wanted
to
show
her
something.
And
as
he
was
at
her
door,
Matthew
noticed
something
off
about
the
lock
on
her
door
and
told
Diana
she
should
have
it
checked.

(05:30):
Before
Diana
could
stop
herself,
she
ends
up
giving
Matthew
a
spontaneous
kiss
on
the
cheek
that
caught
them
both
off
guard.
We
move
on
to
chapter
13,
and
it
is
the
next
day,
and
Diana
is
off
to
Matthew's
lab.
She
noticed
there
was
a
lot
of
security
to

(05:50):
get
into
said
lab.
Matthew
eagerly
shares
his
latest
research
with
Diana,
delving
into
the
genetics
of
vampires,
witches
and
demons.
The
lab
buzzes
with
activity
as
Marcus
Whitmore
joins
them.
We
meet
Marcus.
His
keen
eye
caught
Diana's
ab

(06:10):
negative
blood
type
and
her
witch
heritage.
But
then
Miriam
shows
up,
and
she
sheds
some
light
on
Matthew's
revelations
about
Ashmole
782.
Together,
they
looked
over
newspaper
clippings,
revealing
a
grim
truth.
Vampires
are
facing
extinction
from
botched

(06:30):
attempts
to
transform
humans
into
vampires.
And
in
the
midst
of
it
all,
DNA
sequences
reveal
a
starting
revelation
about
witch
ancestry.
Magic
has
been
suppressed
through
generations.
With
a
sense
of
urgency,
Diana
offers
up
her
blood,
hoping

(06:51):
to
unlock
her
own
history
and
shed
light
on
the
witch's
plight.
Then,
before
anyone
else
can
take
Diana's
blood,
Matthew
insists
on
collecting
the
sample
himself,
which
continued
to
show
his
protectiveness
over
Diana.
As
they
wrap
up
their
time
in
the
lab,
they
end
up
going
to
another
yoga

(07:11):
session,
which
was
followed
by
a
walk
back
to
Diana's
rooms.
Then
Matthew
extends
another
dinner
invitation
for
the
next
evening
to
Diana.
It
was
his
turn,
after
all,
and
it
was
met
with
eager
acceptance
from
Diana.
When
Diana
got
to
her
rooms,
she
ignored
another
message

(07:31):
from
her
Aunt
Sarah,
and
she
watched
Matthew
leave
from
her
window
onto
chapter
14
as
they
made
their
way
to
dinner,
Matthew
collected
Diana,
and
together
they
walked
off
to
his
rooms,
which
was
nestled
within
the
prestigious
All
Souls
college
at
Oxford.

(07:52):
And
in
a
secluded
corner
of
the
building,
Matthew
led
her
to
his
private
cellar,
which
was
a
privilege
bestowed
upon
select
fellows.
They
talked
about
when
he
came
to
Oxford.
1989,
when
he
was
at
Oriole
College.
He
made
sure
to
say
this
time
in
referring
when

(08:12):
he
came
to
Oxford.
Then
he
talks
about
the
amount
of
times
he's
been
at
certain
colleges
in
Oxford.
Diana
Matthew
conversed
throughout
the
dinner,
and
Diana
ate
while
Matthew
drank
wine.
Things
seemed
to
be
going
fine.
Yet
when
Diana
wondered
what
she
might
taste
like,

(08:32):
Matthew's
demeanor
shifted.
His
protective
instincts
flared
as
he
cautioned
her
about
the
dangers
of
bewitching
vampires,
and
in
a
moment
of
vulnerability,
their
lips
met
in
a
tender
kiss,
only
for
Matthew
to
pull
away.
He
started
to
apologize
for
taking

(08:52):
advantage
of
Diana's
fear.
He
also
told
her
to
stay
still,
as
he
might
not
be
able
to
control
himself.
And
of
course,
Diana
says
that
she
was
safe
with
him.
Matthew
started
to
say
that
he
was
experiencing
emotions
he
wasn't
supposed
to
feel
before
he
cut
himself

(09:12):
off.
He
said
that
a
witch
and
a
vampire
aren't
supposed
to
feel
this
way,
and
Diana
said
she
felt
it,
too.
Then
their
conversation
turned
to
how
vampires
needed
to
manage
impulses,
and
Diana
brought
up
how
witches
needed
to
as
well.
Diana
doesn't
want
to
look
back

(09:33):
on
a
life
where
everything
came
easily
to
her
without
earning
it.
Then
Diana
told
him
that
she
was
going
to
recall
Ashmal
782
on
Monday.
Matthew
wondered
what
spell
she
used
to
get
it
the
first
time
around.
And
Diana
said
she
didn't
use
one,
which
confused
Matthew.

(09:53):
And
now
Matthew
was
nervous
that
if
Peter
Knox
or
the
others
found
out
she
didn't
use
the
spell
to
get
it,
they
would
stop
being
patient
with
her.
And
at
the
end
of
the
chapter,
we
learned
that
it
doesn't
bother
Diana
that
Matthew
goes
hunting.
Sometimes
she
eats

(10:13):
partridge.
She
doesn't
see
the
difference.
On
to
chapter
15.
We
are
on
to
Monday.
Dana
went
rowing
that
morning,
and
when
she
was
done,
Matthew
was
there
waiting
for
her.
They
go
for
breakfast
at
the
cafe
he
took
her
to
before.
And
then
Matthew
drops
her
off
back
at
her
rooms.

(10:33):
Then
we
are
back
to
the
bodleian.
It
is
time
for
Diana
to
try
to
get
Asheville
782
again.
We
see
her
friend
Shawn
again.
He
is
back
at
the
call
desk.
Matthew
is
already
at
the
Bodleian.
When
Diana
gets
there,
she
went
up
to
him
and
asked
if
Peter
Knox
was
already
there
as
well,
and
Matthew
said

(10:54):
he
was.
Diana
went
to
the
call
desk
and
got
her
requested
manuscripts
and
then
gave
Sean
a
new
request.
Ashmole
782.
Their
conversation
wasn't
over,
though.
Sean
wanted
to
speak
with
Diana.
He
wondered
if
Professor
Claremont
was
bothering
her.
She,
of

(11:14):
course,
said
he
wasn't.
He
then
told
Diana
that
he
wanted
her
to
let
him
know
if
something
was
ever
wrong.
And
she
said
that
she
would.
After
dealing
with
sweet
Sean,
we
deal
with
annoying
Peter
Knox.
He
once
again
barged
in,
disrupting
Diana's
day.
Despite

(11:34):
her
attempts
to
brush
him
off,
he
persisted,
trying
to
manipulate
her
thoughts
again,
Matthew
stepped
in,
being
a
protective
presence
by
her
side.
As
Knox
continued
his
intrusive
behavior,
threatening
Diana
with
accusations,
he
told
her
that
before
nightfall,
every
witch
in
Oxford

(11:55):
would
know
that
she
was
a
traitor.
Feeling
uneasy,
Matthew
expressed
his
desire
to
leave,
emphasizing
that
he
didn't
need
the
manuscript.
And
he
almost
admitted
how
he
needed
Diana.
This
man,
or
vampire,
just
continues
to
stop
himself
from
expressing
his
real

(12:15):
feelings.
We
then
briefly
meet
a
new
demon,
the
one
that
has
been
around,
who
loves
coffee.
He
greeted
both
Diana
and
Matthew.
His
name
was
Timothy,
and
he
wore
different
color
cowboy
boots,
one
red
and
one
black.
His
eyes
were
different
colors
as
well,
one
blue
and

(12:35):
one
green.
Diana's
impatience
grew
regarding
her
wait
for
Asheville
782.
And
she
went
back
to
the
call
desk
to
ask
about
the
manuscript
that
she
requested,
and
she
was
met
with
alarming
news.
She
was
told
Ashmole
782
has
been
missing

(12:55):
since
1859.
Matthew
then
decided
they
needed
to
leave
the
library.
They
noticed
the
other
creatures
seemed
to
need
to
leave
in
a
hurry
as
well.
Before
they
could
make
their
exit,
though,
Peter
Knox
intercepted
Diana
once
more,
throwing
insults
and
more
warnings
her

(13:15):
way.
Apparently,
she
would
regret
it
if
she
didn't
remember
who
she
was.
Matthew
intervened,
and
they
leave
before
he
could
cause
a
scene.
And
they
go
back
to
Matthew's
rooms.
He
starts
urging
her
to
stay
at
Woodstock,
the
old
lodge
where
they
go
for
yoga,
for
safety.

(13:35):
Then
Diana
ends
up
turning
on
Matthew,
and
she
said
that
he's
as
bad
as
Knox.
He
wanted
Asheville
782
to
satisfy
his
own
curiosity.
Matthew
tells
her
to
calm
down,
and
that
does
not
go
over
well.
Her
fingers
start
to
shoot
out
little
arcs
of
fire
again.

(13:56):
Diana
then
tries
to
run
away,
and
Matthew
won't
let
her.
He
holds
onto
her
tight.
She
told
him
to
let
her
go
and
he
said
no.
He
is
the
first
man
to
ever
say
no
to
her
when
she
asks
them
to
stop
doing
something.
He
wondered
if
that
happened
before
with
her
fingers.

(14:16):
And
she
said
that
it
happened
once.
After
speaking
with
Jillian
Chamberlain,
reluctantly,
Diana
agreed
to
go
to
Woodstock,
the
old
lodge.
And
Matthew
takes
her
back
to
her
rooms
to
pack.
Before
heading
off
to
her
rooms,
she
picked
up
her
mail,
and
there
was
a
large
brown
envelope.

(14:37):
When
she
opened
it,
she.
She
found
a
photo
of
her
parents
in
the
chalk
circle
when
they
died
and
a
piece
of
paper
attached
to
a
photo
that
said,
remember.
She
screamed
and
Matthew
was
at
her
rooms
in
no
time.
Overwhelmed,
Diana
confided
in
Matthew
about
Jillian's
revelation

(14:57):
regarding
her
parents
death.
Witches
killed
her
parents.
He
offered
her
comfort,
administering
a
sedative
and
assuring
her
she
wasn't
alone
anymore.
Chapter
16
we
are
back
in
Matthew's
perspective.
He
sat
by
Diana's
side

(15:17):
as
she
slept.
He
listened
to
his
messages.
And
there
was
a
message
from
Marcus
that
caught
his
attention,
hinting
at
surprising
revelations
in
Diana's
DNA
test
results.
Without
hesitation,
Matthew
called
Marcus
and
instructed
him
to
bring
the
reports
in
his
passport
to
Diana's
rooms.
He
gave
him

(15:37):
directions.
Of
course,
Marcus
had
never
been
there.
As
Marcus
arrived,
he
casually
referred
to
Matthew
as
his
father.
We
get
backstory
on
when
Matthew
and
Marcus
met
and
also
learned
when
Marcus
was
turned.
That
would
be
in
1781.
So
Matthew
thought
that
Marcus
made
a
mistake
about

(15:58):
Diana's
DNA
test.
Apparently,
Diana
possessed
nearly
every
genetic
marker
ever
seen
in
a
witch.
There
were
DNA
sequences
that
had
Marcus
and
Miriam
concerned.
Marcus
then
noticed
the
necklace
around
Matthew's
neck.
And
then
he
thinks
about
a
woman
named

(16:18):
Eleanor
St.
Leger.
In
the
year
1140,
more
of
Matthew's
family
is
mentioned.
His
father,
Philippe,
and
his
older
brothers,
Hugh,
Godfrey
and
Baldwin.
Then
Matthew
wanted
Marcus
to
stay
with
Diana
for
a
while.
He
planned
on
confronting
Gillian
Chamberlain
and
then
possibly
Peter

(16:38):
Knox.
However,
Marcus
mentioned
how
Peter
was
a
part
of
the
congregation,
and
he
cautioned
Matthew
against
further
antagonizing
them,
highlighting
Matthew's
situation
with
Diana
and
bringing
up
the
covenant.
Marcus
then
agreed
to
look
after
Diana.
And
once
Matthew

(16:58):
returned,
Marcus
wondered
if
Matthew
would
share
the
DNA
findings
with
Diana.
And
he
said,
no,
I
don't
think
Diana
is
gonna
like
that.
Marcus
didn't
think
so
either.
Then
Marcus
also
wondered
if
Diana
knew
about
their
family
or
Matthew's
other
children.

(17:19):
Of
course,
that
was
a
no.
And
Marcus
said
that
Matthew
was
making
a
mistake.
Matthew
said
he
would
tell
her
everything
when
she
was
ready.
Also,
the
plan
shifted.
Matthew
announced
his
decision
to
take
Diana
to
septeur
and
not
Woodstock
Lodge.
Marcus

(17:39):
then
voiced
his
concerns.
He
said
that
Matthew
can't
put
her
under
the
same
roof
as
Isabeau,
Matthew's
mother.
It
seemed
that
Isabel
blamed
witches
for
the
death
of
Louisa
and
Philippe,
Matthew's
father.
But
despite
the
objections,
Matthew
remained
steadfast
in
his
determination

(17:59):
to
protect
Diana
at
all
cost.
Alone
with
Diana.
Once
more,
after
Marcus
was
gone,
Matthew
grappled
with
his
inner
thoughts.
He
wondered
if
he
was
bewitched
and
if
he
was
a
lost
man.
Man,
Diana
said,
you're
not
lost.
I
found
you.
But
she
was
still

(18:19):
out
of
it.
She
seemed
to
be
able
to
hear
his
thoughts
in
those
moments.
Let's
move
on
to
the
congregation
section,
where
we
will
talk
about
the
things
that
stood
out
in
these
chapters,
things
we
learned
about,
and
things
we
might
think
will
be
important
for
later,
as
well
as
some
lore.

(18:43):
Since
we
call
this
section
the
congregation,
let's
start
off
by
talking
about
what
it
is.
Here
is
what
we
know
about
the
congregation
so
far.
The
congregation
consists
of
nine
members.
Three
vampires,
three
witches,
and
three
demons.
It
was
formed
during
the
crusades,
and
its
job
was

(19:03):
to
ensure
every
creature's
safety
by
seeing
to
it
that
no
one
called
the
attention
of
humans.
We
know
that
Peter
Knox
is
a
member,
and
that's
about
it.
That
was
the
first
time
the
congregation
was
mentioned
in
this
book.
But
there
is
another
thing
that
was
brought
up
as
well.
Something
that
was
set
up
by
the
congregation,

(19:24):
and
that
was
the
Covenant.
This
was
a
series
of
restrictions.
All
creatures,
past
and
future,
vampires,
witches,
and
demons
alike,
entered
into
a
pact
to.
To
adhere
to
the
rules
of
conduct
set
forth
by
the
congregation.
One
of
those
rules
was
forbidding
mixing
between

(19:44):
creatures.
They
were
strongly
discouraged
to
socialize
with
other
creatures,
and
were
forbidden
to
fall
in
love
and
marry.
Now,
since
there
were
only
nine
members,
they
pretty
much
needed
snitches.
They
needed
creatures
to
snitch
on
their
own
kind
or
other
creatures.
Creatures.
Matthew
does
mention

(20:04):
how
the
Covenant
was
so
long
ago.
And
he
said,
the
congregation
isn't
going
to
enforce
a
promise
made
over
a
thousand
years
ago
in
a
very
different
world.
I
get
what
Matthew
is
saying,
but
the
fact
that
Peter
Knox
is
on
the
congregation
and
his
behavior
towards
Diana
and
Matthew's
relationship,

(20:25):
I
think
Matthew
might
be
naive
about
this
situation.
Another
thing
we
can
talk
about
here
is
Matthew
Claremont.
We
have
learned
more
about
him.
Let's
discuss.
We
actually
got
his
age.
His
body
is
nearly
37
years
old,
and
he
was
born
around
the
time
Clovis

(20:45):
converted
to
Christianity.
He
was
reborn
a
vampire
in
537.
So
this
man,
or
vampire
is
close
to
1500
years
old.
We
also
find
out
what
Matthew
was
doing
in
the
fall
of
1859.
Peter
Knox
told
Diana

(21:05):
to
ask
Matthew
what
he
was
doing
then.
And
in
September
of
1859,
Matthew
was
looking
through
the
manuscripts
in
the
Ashmolean
Museum
he
had
recently
read
on
the
origin
of
species
by
Charles
Darwin.
Matthew
saw
how
Darwin
explored,
explored
alchemical
theory
of
transmutation

(21:26):
through
biology.
And
then
he
remembered
the
mysterious
book,
Ashmole
782.
He
was
in
Oxford
looking
for
Ashmole
782
in
1859.
We
also
learned
that
Matthew
was
around
when
chocolate
was
first
introduced
in
France.
And
another
thing
we
can
bring
back
from

(21:46):
previous
episodes
are
the
women
that
Matthew
harmed.
There
was
a
mention
by
Marcus
of
a
woman
named
Eleanor,
and
she
was
one
of
them.
She
was
a
woman
that
had
gotten
in
between
Matthew
and
Baldwin
when
they
were
fighting
and
she
died.
Marcus
did
wonder
about
her.
And

(22:06):
he
also
wondered
why
Matthew
let
Eleanor
die.
If
he
loved
her
so
much,
why
didn't
he
turn
her?
Some
other
interesting
moments
were
Diana
asking
about
her
smell
versus
how
she
would
taste.
So
while
they
were
having
dinner,
Diana
asked
Matthew

(22:26):
what
she
smelled
like.
Matthew
took
a
moment
to
answer,
but
then
he
said
she
smelled
like
willow
SAP
and
chamomile
that
had
been
crushed
underfoot.
And
he
goes
on
to
say
that
she
smelled
like
honeysuckle,
fallen
leaves,
witch
hazel
blooming,
the
first
narcissus
of
spring,
horehound,

(22:48):
frankincense
and
lady's
mantle.
Some
of
those
scents
he
thought
he
had
forgotten.
But
the
next
dinner,
when
Diana
wondered
what
she
tastes
like,
things
did
not
go
as
easily.
Matthew's
demeanor
changed,
and
he
warned
Diana
about
a
vampire
being

(23:08):
bewitched
by
a
woman
and
not
being
able
to
help
themselves.
We
learned
that
Diana's
scent
pleases
Matthew,
and
he
can
hear
her
witch's
blood
as
it
moves
through
her
veins.
So
the
moral
of
the
story
here
is,
never
ask
a
vampire
what
you
might
taste
like.

(23:28):
Or
maybe
it's
don't
even
think
about
being
around
vampires,
but
to
each
their
own.
We
also
learn
more
about
vampires
in
these
chapters,
so
first
with
their
eating
habits.
While
they
were
eating
together
at
Diana's
place,
they
talk
about
what
a
vampire
can
eat.
Matthew
admitted
that
he
only
takes

(23:48):
small
bites
of
most
food
and
it
doesn't
taste
like
much
to
him
unless
it
is
raw.
He
also
said
that
wine
is
good,
but
food
tastes
wrong
to
a
vampire
once
it's
been
cooked
to
death.
And
he
prefers
to
eat
food
that
is
uncooked
or
cold
so
it
doesn't
smell.
We
also
learned
that
it's

(24:09):
easier
for
him
to
be
around
Diana
when
she's
eating.
The
smell
of
cooked
food
nauseates
him
and
that
helps
for
him
to
not
want
to
eat
her.
Here
are
some
other
stuff
that
we
learned.
Vampires
do
have
exceptional
scents
of
smell,
sight
and
hearing.
Scent
brings
out
powerful
memories
for
vampires.

(24:29):
Vampires
can't
fly,
Matthew
said.
They
leave
that
to
the
witches
since
they
control
the
elements,
they
are
strong
and
fast.
They
don't
breathe
much.
Vampires
don't
sleep
much,
but
when
they
do,
they
sleep
like
the
dead.
Marcus
said
that
vampires
are
predators.
They
are
attracted
to
the
fight
or
flight

(24:50):
response.
And
Matthew
said
that
vampires
don't
always
need
to
feed,
but
they
always
crave
the
hunt.
Here's
a
little
science
that
we
learned,
but
we're
going
to
get
into
the
science
of
it
all
a
little
later.
But
vampires
get
an
extra
chromosome
pair
since
they
aren't
born
with
it,
and
a
vampire's
DNA
has

(25:10):
mutations
that
result
in
disease
resistance.
Now
let's
move
on
to
Ashmole
782.
We
have
more
information
about
this
book
and
what
vampires
believe
about
it.
Vampires
believe
that
it
explains
their
longevity
and
their
strength.
They
feared
that
the
book
would
fall
into
the
wrong
hands,

(25:30):
a
witch's
hands,
and
it
would
lead
to
their
extermination.
Some
vampires
believe
that
magic
was
involved
in
their
making
and
that
witches
would
find
a
way
to
reverse
it.
And
Matthew
thinks
that
part
of
the
legend
is
true.
Diana
also
comes
clean,
and
she
tells
Matthew
more
about

(25:51):
Ashmole
782.
She
said
that
the
book
Matthew
is
seeking
is
actually
inside
of
Ashmole
782.
It
seems
to
be
an
alchemy
book.
On
the
surface,
the
images
contain
errors
or
deliberate
mistakes,
and
the
book
is
a
palimpsest,
which
is
a
manuscript
or

(26:11):
piece
of
writing
material
that
has
been
reused
or
overwritten
with
new
text,
often
after
the
original
text
has
been
erased
or
partially
erased.
Diana
also
said
that
magic
was
hiding
the
text.
She
could
see
lines
of
writing
moving
underneath
when
she
turned
a
page,
and
light
was
at

(26:31):
just
the
right
angle,
but
she
couldn't
read
it,
though.
Now,
when
we
were
in
Matthew's
lab,
there
was
talk
about
creatures
dying
out.
Let's
talk
about
that.
So
when
Diana
was
in
the
lab,
the
newspaper
articles
about
the
vampire
killings
were
brought
up,
and
Matthew
believed
that
these
deaths

(26:51):
were
actually
results
of
botched
attempts
to
transform
humans
into
vampires.
There
was
also
mention
of
how
witches
weren't
as
powerful
as
they
once
were,
and
they
weren't
producing
as
many
children
as
they
used
to.
It
seems
that
creatures
have
felt
the
pressure
of
living
in

(27:11):
a
world
that
is
more
human.
So
they
are
trying
to
hide
who
they
truly
are.
More.
Also,
the
world
used
to
be
divided
more
evenly
between
humans
and
creatures,
but
now
humans
are
the
majority,
and
creatures
only
take
up
10%
of
the
world's
population.
So
there
is
a

(27:31):
lot
of
talk
about
science
in
this
book.
Now,
I
pass
high
school
biology,
but
it
was
not
my
favorite
class,
which
is
actually
interesting
because
the
science
in
this
book
is
one
of
the
most
intriguing
things
to
me.
So
what
Matthew,
Miriam,
and
Marcus
are
doing
in
his
lab,
they
are
studying
evolution.
But
the

(27:51):
difference
between
their
lab
and
the
other
labs
is
that
they
aren't
just
studying
humans.
They
are
also
studying
the
genetics
of
vampires,
witches,
and
demons.
They
are
studying
genome
and
mitochondrial
DNA.
The
genome
refers
to
the
complete
set
of
genetic
material,
DNA
present

(28:12):
in
an
organism.
It's
like
a
massive
instruction
manual
for
life.
Stored
in
DNA,
it
contains
all
the
information
needed
to
build
and
operate
an
organism,
from
genes
that
code
for
proteins
to
regions
that
control
gene
activity.
Scientists
study
the
genome
to
understand

(28:32):
how
genes
work
and
contribute
to
traits
and
diseases.
Is
basically
the
code
of
life.
Now,
mitochondrial
DNA
is
a
small,
circular
piece
of
DNA
found
within
the
mitochondria,
which
are
tiny
structures
inside
cells
responsible
for
generating
energy.

(28:52):
It's
inherited
only
from
the
mother
and
contains
genes
important
for
mitochondrial
function.
Scientists
use
it
to
trace
maternal
ancestry
and
study
evolution,
health
and
diseases.
And
this
is
what
Matthew
is
doing
with
it.
He
wants
to
use
the
mitochondrial
DNA
to

(29:12):
help
them
understand
the
history
of
a
whole
species,
to
help
them
understand
what
is
going
on
with
the
creatures
and
why
they
seem
to
be
dying
out.
And
we
also
learn
the
differences
between
the
creatures.
Scientifically.
Humans
have
23
pairs
of
chromosomes
in
every
cell
nucleus.
Vampires

(29:32):
and
witches
have
24.
And
we
learned
earlier
that
vampires
get
their
24th
after
they
are
turned.
And
demons
also
have
23
pairs,
like
humans,
but
they
have
an
extra
single
chromosome.
Now,
throughout
this
story,
we
will
continue
to
see
the
mention
of
historical
figures,

(29:53):
and
I'm
going
to
continue
to
keep
track
of
them.
I
don't
think
I've
missed
anyone
during
these
chapters,
but.
But
I
might
have.
Let
me
know.
First
up,
we
have
Machiavelli.
He
was
mentioned
when
Diana
was
trying
to
figure
out
Matthew's
age,
asking
if
Matthew
knew
him.
So
Niccolo
Machiavelli

(30:13):
was
an
italian
Renaissance
political
philosopher
and
writer.
He
was
best
known
for
his
seminal
work
the
Prince,
which
was
written
in
1513.
He
was
called
the
founder
of
modern
political
science.
He
was
also
a
senior
official
in
the
Florentine
republic
in
diplomatic
and
military
affairs.

(30:34):
His
ideas
on
politics
and
leadership
have
sparked
significant
debates
and
controversy
over
the
centuries,
with
some
viewing
him
as
a
realist
who
understood
the
complexities
of
power
dynamics,
while
others
see
him
as
a
proponent
of
unethical
behavior
in
politics.
Next
we
have

(30:54):
Peter
Abelard.
He
was
also
mentioned
when
Diana
was
trying
to
figure
out
Matthew's
age.
She
wondered
if
Matthew
attended
the
University
of
Paris
when
Abelard
was
teaching
there.
So
Peter
was
a
french
philosopher,
theologian
and
logician.
He
lived
in
the
12th
century

(31:14):
and
he
is
best
known
for
his
work
in
logic
and
his
contributions
to
medieval
philosophy.
His
most
famous
work
was
sicket
non.
He
looked
at
different
ideas
from
church
leaders
to
show
why
it's
important
to
think
critically
about
religion.
He
also
had
a
well
known
love
story
with
a
woman
named

(31:34):
Heloise.
They
wrote
letters
to
each
other,
known
as
the
letters
of
Abelard
and
Heloise,
which
talked
about
their
intense
and
sad
love.
Next
we
have
Charlemagne.
And
like
the
ones
before,
he
was
mentioned.
When
Diana
was
trying
to
figure
out
Matthew's
age,
she
wanted
to
know
if
Matthew
watched
his
coronation.

(31:55):
So
Charlemagne
was
a
powerful
king
of
the
Franks
in
the
early
Middle
Ages.
He
was
a
skilled
military
leader
and
expanded
his
kingdom
through
conquest,
eventually
uniting
most
of
western
Europe
under
his
rule,
he
supported
Christianity,
established
schools,
and
was
crowned
emperor
of
the
Romans
in

(32:16):
800
ad.
Charlemagne
is
celebrated
for
his
military
achievements
and
contributions
to
european
culture
and
education.
Next
there
is
Ben
Jonson.
Diana
thought
of
a
line
written
by
him
when
she
found
out
Matthew's
age.
So
ben
Jonson
was
a
prominent
english
playwright
and
poet

(32:36):
who
lived
during
the
late
16th
and
early
17th
centuries.
He
is
best
known
for
his
satirical
comedies
such
as
Volpone
and
the
Alchemist,
which
criticized
the
social
and
political
issues
of
his
time.
And
he
was
a
contemporary
of
William
Shakespeare
and
highly
regarded
for
his
wit
and
craftsmanship

(32:56):
in
writing.
He
also
served
as
a
literary
critic
and
influenced
the
development
of
english
drama.
Next
we
have
John
Milton.
Matthew
quoted
him
while
speaking
to
Diana.
So
John
was
an
influential
english
poet
and
writer
who
lived
during
the
17th
century.
He
is

(33:16):
best
known
for
his
epic
poem
Paradise
Lost,
which
tells
the
story
of
the
fall
of
man
and
explores
themes
of
good
and
evil,
free
will
and
redemption.
You
know,
I
don't
think
I
ever
read
Paradise
Lost.
I
just
thought
about
that.
But
Milton
was
also
a
political
activist
and
wrote
numerous
pamphlets

(33:36):
advocating
for
religious
and
political
freedom.
Or
maybe
I
read
it
in
high
school
or
college,
I
don't
know.
Despite
losing
his
sights
later
in
life,
Milton
continued
to
write
and
produce
significant
works,
including
Paradise
Regain
and
Sansom
Agonistes.
Next
we
have
Elizabeth
Tudor.
She
was
commonly

(33:57):
known
as
Queen
Elizabeth
I
and
was
one
of
England's
most
famous
monarchs.
She
ruled
from
1558
until
her
death
in
1603,
making
her
reign
one
of
the
longest
in
english
history.
She
was
a
daughter
of
King
Henry
VIII
and
Anne
Boleyn,
and
her
reign
saw
religious
and
political

(34:17):
stability
defeating
the
spanish
armada
in
1588
and
fostering
a
golden
age
of
arts
and
exploration.
And
her
intelligence
and
diplomacy
earned
her
the
nickname
the
Virgin
Queen.
Next
we
have
Marquis
de
Lafayette.
So
the
Marquis
de
Lafayette,
Gilbert
de
Mortaire,
was

(34:37):
a
french
aristocrat
who
became
a
pivotal
figure
in
both
the
american
and
french
revolutions.
Joining
the
continental
army
at
just
19
years
old,
Lafayette
formed
a
close
bond
with
General
George
Washington
and
fought
alongside
american
forces
in
key
battles,
including
the
decisive

(34:57):
battle
of
Yorktown.
After
the
American
Revolution,
Lafayette
returned
to
France
and
played
a
significant
role
in
advocating
for
liberal
reforms
and
supporting
the
ideals
of
the
French
Revolution.
He
helped
draft
the
declaration
of
the
Rights
of
man
and
of
the
Citizen,
and
remain
a
steadfast
champion
in

(35:17):
liberty
and
democracy
throughout
his
life.
Next,
we
have
Doctor
Shippen.
He
was
mentioned
during
the
backstory
of
Marcus.
Doctor
William
Shippen,
Junior
was
a
prominent
american
physician
during
the
colonial
era
and
early
years
of
the
United
States.
He
is
known
for
his
significant
contributions
to
medical
education

(35:38):
and
practice
in
America.
Shippen
played
a
key
role
in
founding
the
first
medical
school
in
the
United
States,
the
University
of
Pennsylvania's
Harriman
School
of
Medicine.
He
served
as
the
school's
first
professor
of
anatomy
and
surgery
and
was
instrumental
in
establishing
a
formal
medical
curriculum
based

(35:58):
on
scientific
principles.
Shippen's
efforts
helped
to
elevate
the
standards
of
medical
education
and
practice
in
America,
laying
the
foundation
for
the
development
of
the
country's
medical
profession.
Next,
we
have
John
Cochran.
He
was
also
mentioned
during
the
backstory
on
Marquez.
Doctor
John
Cochran

(36:19):
was
a
notable
physician
and
military
surgeon
during
the
American
Revolutionary
War.
He
served
as
the
director
general
of
the
Continental
Army's
medical
department
from
1777
to
1781,
playing
a
crucial
role
in
organizing
medical
care
for
american
troops
during
the
conflict,
Cochrane

(36:39):
implemented
reforms
to
improve
hygiene
and
medical
practices,
reducing
mortality
rates
among
soldiers.
He
also
established
hospitals
and
medical
facilities
to
provide
care
for
wounded
and
sick
soldiers.
And
next
we
have
General
Washington,
who
was
also
mentioned
during
Marcus's
backstory.

(37:00):
General
George
Washington.
He
was
born
in
Virginia
in
1732
and
emerged
as
a
pivotal
figure
in
the
American
Revolutionary
War
in
the
founding
of
the
United
States.
Appointed
commander
in
chief
of
the
Continental
army
in
1775,
Washington
led
american
forces
throughout
the
conflict,

(37:20):
facing
numerous
challenges
and
demonstrating
exceptional
leadership
and
strategic
prowess.
His
victories,
including
the
battle
of
Trenton
and
the
siege
of
Yorktown,
played
a
crucial
role
in
securing
american
independence
from
british
rule.
After
the
war,
Washington
played
a
key
role
in
shaping
the
new
nation,
presiding

(37:40):
over
the
constitutional
convention.
Presiding
over
the
constitutional
convention
and
serving
as
the
first
president
of
the
United
States
from
1789
to
1797.
And
of
course,
when
I'm
thinking
about
Lafayette
and
Washington,
I'm
thinking
about
the
musical
Hamilton.
Next
we
have
the
Anada
warriors.
They
were
also

(38:00):
mentioned
during
Marcus's
backstory.
The
Oneada
were
one
of
the
six
nations
of
the
Arrakis
Confederacy,
and
their
warriors
played
a
significant
role
in
various
conflicts
and
alliances
in
colonial
America.
During
the
American
Revolutionary
War,
the
Oneada
sided
with
the
colonists
and
fought
alongside
them
against

(38:21):
the
British.
Anyada
warriors
participated
in
key
battles
such
as
Oriskany
and
Saratoga,
providing
crucial
support
to
the
american
cause.
Their
contributions
helped
to
secure
american
victory
and
played
a
significant
role
in
shaping
the
outcome
of
the
war.
And
after
the
Revolutionary
War,
the

(38:41):
Oneida
continued
to
defend
their
homeland
and
way
of
life
against
encroaching
settlers
and
government
policies.
And
today,
the
Oneada
nation
remain
a
federally
recognized
tribe
with
a
rich
cultural
heritage
and
ongoing
efforts
to
preserve
the
traditions
and
sovereignty.
Next
up
we
have
Charles

(39:01):
Darwin.
He
was
mentioned
while
Matthew
was
explaining
what
he
was
doing
in
1859.
Charles
Darwin
was
a
renowned
british
naturalist
and
biologist
who
is
best
known
for
his
theory
of
evolution
by
natural
selection.
Born
in
1809,
Darwin
embarked
on
a
voyage

(39:22):
aboard
the
HMS
Beagle,
and
in
1831,
during
which
he
collected
specimens
and
made
observations
that
would
later
form
the
basis
of
his
groundbreaking
ideas.
In
1859,
Darwin
published
his
seminal
work
on
the
Origin
of
Species,
in
which
he
proposed
that
species
evolve

(39:42):
over
time
through
the
process
of
natural
selection,
whereby
organisms
with
favorable
traits
are
more
likely
to
survive
and
reproduce
produce.
This
theory
revolutionized
our
understanding
of
the
natural
world
and
has
had
profound
implications
for
fields
such
as
biology,
anthropology,
and

(40:02):
psychology.
His
work
laid
the
foundation
for
modern
evolutionary
biology
and
continues
to
be
a
cornerstone
of
scientific
inquiry.
Next
we
have
Eleanor
St.
Leger.
She
was
brought
up
as
one
of
Matthew's
past
relationships.
Eleanor
was
a
historical
figure
known
for
her
association

(40:22):
with
the
Marquis
de
Lafayette,
particularly
in
the
context
of
the
events
surrounding
her
death.
She
was
a
woman
from
Ireland
who
became
romantically
involved
with
Lafayette's
older
brother,
Baldwin.
Their
relationship
was
marked
by
tragedy
when
Baldwin
and
Eleanor
were
involved
in
a
duel
resulting
in

(40:42):
Eleanor's
death.
The
circumstances
surrounding
her
life
and
death
have
captured
historical
interest,
particularly
due
to
her
connection
with
the
Lafayette
family
and
the
dramatic
nature
of
the
events.
So
reading
her
actual
backstory
makes
me
understand
how
she
was
kind
of
put
into
this
story.
Next

(41:02):
we
have
Attila.
I
believe
Matthew
mentioned
him.
I
believe
he
did
so.
Attila,
often
referred
to
as
Attila
the
Hun,
was
a
powerful
ruler
and
military
leader
of
the
Huns,
a
nomadic
people
originating
from
central
Asia.
He
reigned
as
king
from
434
until
his
death
in
453.
Attilas

(41:23):
leadership
was
characterized
by
his
aggressive,
expansionist
policies,
leading
the
Huns
in
numerous
military
campaigns
across
Europe.
He
is
perhaps
best
known
for
his
invasion
of
the
western
Roman
Empire,
during
which
he
ravaged
territories
in
modern
day
France,
Italy
and
the
Balkans.
Attila's
military
prowess
and
ferocious

(41:43):
reputation
earned
him
the
nickname
scourge
of
God.
His
death
in
453
brought
an
end
to
his
empire
and
marked
the
decline
of
the
hunnic
threat
to
Europe.
So
we
just
went
over
a
bunch
of
historical
figures,
but
there
seem
to
have
been
historical
events
mentioned
during
these
chapters,

(42:03):
so
I'm
going
to
start
keeping
track
of
them
as
well.
Like
historical
figures,
I
don't
think
I've
missed
any
events
during
these
chapters,
but
I
might
have
let
me
know.
So
we
start
off
with
Halley's
comet.
This
was
named
after
the
astronomer
Edmund
Halley,
and
it
is
one
of
the
most
famous
comets
known
to
humanity.
It
is

(42:23):
visible
from
earth
approximately
every
76
years
as
it
orbits
the
sun.
Halley's
comets
last
made
its
appearance
in
the
inner
solar
system
in
1986
and
is
expected
to
return
around
the
year
2061.
Its
appearance
has
been
recorded
throughout
history,
with
notable
sightings
in
1758

(42:44):
and
1835,
among
others.
The
comet's
distinct
tail,
composed
of
dust
and
gas,
makes
it
a
spectacular
sight
in
the
night
sky.
It
has
been
the
subject
of
scientific
study
for
centuries,
providing
valuable
insights
into
the
composition
and
behavior
of
comets.
Next

(43:04):
we
have
the
fall
of
Carthage.
So
the
fall
of
Carthage,
one
of
the
most
significant
events
in
ancient
history,
marked
the
end
of
the
powerful
phoenician
city
state
in
a
centuries
long
rivalry
with
Rome.
The
third
Punic
War,
from
149
to
146
BCE
culminated
in

(43:24):
the
siege
and
destruction
of
Carthage
by
roman
forces
under
the
command
of
Scipio
Aemilianus.
The
city's
downfall
was
a
result
of
longstanding
enmity
between
Carthage
and
Rome,
fueled
by
territorial
disputes,
economic
competition,
and
political
ambitions.
After
a
three
year
siege,
Carthage
fell

(43:44):
to
the
Romans,
who
raised
the
city
to
the
ground,
enslaved
its
population,
and
salted
the
earth
to
prevent
its
resurgence.
The
fall
of
Carthage
marked
the
end
of
phoenician
influence
in
the
mediterranean
and
slavic
Rome's
dominance
as
a
preeminent
power
in
the
region.
Next,
we'll
talk
about
Clovis
converted
to
Christianity.

(44:06):
This
was
mentioned
when
Matthew
talked
about
when
he
was
born,
along
with
some
of
the
other
stuff
I
just
talked
about,
the
conversion
of
Clovis
I,
the
first
king
to
unite
all
the
frankish
tribes
to
Christianity.
Around
496
CE.
Common
era
marked
a
pivotal
moment
in
european
history.
Legend

(44:26):
has
it
that
his
conversion
followed
his
victory
at
the
battle
of
Tobiak
against
the
Alemanni
tribe,
attributing
his
success
to
the
christian
God.
The
significant
events
not
only
aligned
Clovis
and
the
frankish
kingdom
with
the
growing
influence
of
Christianity
in
Europe,
but
also
provided
religious
legitimacy
to
his

(44:46):
rule.
Clovis
conversion
facilitated
the
spread
of
Christianity
among
the
frankish
people
and
played
a
crucial
role
and
the
christianization
of
western
Europe,
shaping
the
religious
and
cultural
landscape
of
the
region
for
centuries
to
come.
Next,
we
have
the
Black
Death.
I
believe
this
was
mentioned
when
Diana
was
trying
to
figure
out
how
old

(45:06):
Matthew
was.
So
the
same
as
the
others.
The
Black
Death,
one
of
the
deadliest
pandemics
in
human
history,
swept
across
Europe
and
Asia
in
the
14th
century,
causing
devastation
on
an
unprecedented
scale.
Originating
in
Central
Asia,
the
disease,
caused
by
the
bacterium
yersinia
pestis,
spread
rapidly

(45:26):
along
trade
routes,
carried
by
fleas
infesting
rats.
The
plague
arrived
in
Europe
in
1347
and
quickly
spread,
decimating
populations
and
leading
to
widespread
social,
economic,
and
cultural
upheaval.
Symptoms
of
the
Black
Death
included
fever,
chills,
swollen
lymph
nodes,
and
the
formation
of

(45:46):
painful
bubbles.
Azimuth
suggests
that
the
black
Death
killed
between
75
to
200
million
people,
wiping
out
as
much
as
60%
of
Europe's
population.
Next
up,
we
have
urban
the
Second
Crusade.
Pope
Urban
II's
call
for
the
First
Crusade
in
1095
marked
the
beginning
of
a

(46:06):
series
of
military
campaigns
launched
by
western
european
christians
to
reclaim
Jerusalem
and
other
holy
cities
in
the
eastern
Mediterranean
from
muslim
control.
Addressing
a
crowd
at
the
Council
of
Clare
in
France,
Urban
II
urged
christians
to
take
up
arms
and
embark
on
a
pilgrimage
to
the
Holy
Land,
promising

(46:26):
spiritual
rewards
and
the
remission
of
sins
to
those
who
participated.
The
response
to
Urban
IIs
call
was
overwhelming.
With
thousands
of
knights,
soldiers,
and
commoners
joining
the
crusade.
The
First
Crusade
culminated
in
the
capture
of
Jerusalem
in
1099,
establishing
several
crusader
states
the
region.
It
sparked
subsequent

(46:47):
waves
of
crusades
over
the
next
two
centuries,
shaping
the
political,
religious,
and
cultural
landscape
of
medieval
Europe
in
the
Middle
east.
Okay,
we
added
locations
in
the
last
episode,
and
there
were
a
couple
locations
that
were
mentioned
here.
First
up,
we
have
all
Souls
College.
So,

(47:07):
All
Souls
College
was
located
in
Oxford,
England,
and
is
one
of
the
constituent
colleges
of
the
University
of
Oxford.
It
was
founded
in
1438
by
Henry
VI.
All
Souls
is
renowned
for
its
academic
excellence
and
prestigious
fellowships.
The
college
is
distinctive
for
its
distinctive

(47:27):
neo
gothic
architecture,
including
the
iconic
Conjurington
Library
is
primarily
dedicated
to
postgraduate
research
and
scholarship,
with
fellows
and
scholarship
from
diverse
academic
disciplines
contributing
to
its
intellectual
community.
Known
for
its
rigorous
selection
process,
All
Souls

(47:48):
maintains
a
tradition
of
academic
excellence
and
scholarly
pursuits,
making
it
one
of
the
most
esteemed
colleges
within
the
University
of
Oxford.
And
then
we
have
the
Marlborough
Club.
So
that
was
a
prestigious
social
club
founded
in
London
in
1860.
It
was
situated
in
POW
mall,

(48:08):
a
street
renowned
for
its
exclusive
clubs.
The
Marlboro
club
catered
to
the
elite
of
british
society,
offering
its
members
luxurious
facilities
for
dining,
socializing,
and
recreation.
It
attracted
members
from
aristocratic
families,
high
ranking
military
officers,
politicians,
and
other
influential
figures.

(48:28):
The
club's
elegant
premises
and
impeccable
service
made
it
a
favorite
gathering
place
for
the
upper
echelons
of
society
during
the
victorian
era,
and
it
eventually
closed
its
doors
in
the
early
20th
century.
Okay,
so
we'll
move
on
to
the
rapid
fire
section.
Now,

(48:49):
to
start,
we'll
discuss
the
three
characters
I
want
to
talk
about.
And
first
up,
we
have
Marcus
Whitmore.
He
is
one
of
my
favorite
characters.
I
was
about
to
say
that
all
of
the
vampires
are
my
favorite
characters,
but
no,
no,
no,
that
is
not
true.
We'll
get
to
the
others
that
I
do
not
like
later

(49:09):
on.
But
back
to
Marcus.
He
is
Matthew's
son.
Not
biologically,
but
in
vampire
terms.
We
meet
him
first
when
we
are
in
Matthew's
lab,
and
later
we
get
some
backstory
about
him
and
his
relationship
with
Matthew.
So
Marcus
meets
Matthew
in
1777.
He's
actually
american.

(49:30):
He's
from
Hadley,
Massachusetts.
He
was
a
surgeon's
assistant
in
the
continental
army,
and
he
was
turned
in
1781
after
catching
a
fever.
He
also
fathered
his
own
children
in
New
Orleans
later
on,
and
things
got
a
bit
out
of
hand
there.
Matthew,
along
with
a
vampire
named
Juliet,

(49:51):
who
we
have
not
met
yet,
cleaned
up
that
mess,
which
caused
Marcus
to
have
less
children.
And
that's
pretty
much
what
we
know
about
Marcus
so
far.
We
know
that
he
cares
for
Matthew,
he
cares
for
his
family,
and
he
wants
to
make
sure
that
Matthew
doesn't
get
into
any
trouble.
Next
character
I
want
to
talk
about
is
Miriam
shepherd,

(50:11):
another
one
of
my
favorite
characters,
also
a
vampire.
We
met
her
earlier
on
when
Matthew
needed
her
to
help
protect
Diana,
and
information
about
her
and
when
she
became
a
vampire
is
unknown
as
of
now.
And
we
actually
have
not
learned
much
about
her
so
far.
But
what
we
do
know
is
that

(50:31):
she
is
a
close
research
colleague
and
friend
to
Matthew.
She
is
a
rather
honest
vampire.
She
seemed
to
tell
Diana
about
herself
quite
a
bit
when
she
could,
and
she
is
very
loyal
to
Matthew.
She's
a
very
loyal
friend.
And
the
last
character
I
want
to
talk
about
is
Sean.
Now,
I
could
not
find

(50:51):
a
lot
of
information
about
Sean.
I
do
not
see
him
in
the
world
of
All
Souls
book,
and
they
list
all
of
the
characters,
and
I
also
cannot
tell
you
what
his
last
name
is,
but
I
like
Sean.
And
since
I
had
mentioned
a
couple
of
the
characters
that
I
liked,
why
not
end

(51:11):
the
section
by
mentioning
another
character
that
I
like?
So,
Sean
works
at
the
call
desk
at
the
bodleian
library,
and
he
is
very
nice
to
Diana.
They
are
friends.
They
had
shared
drinks
at
the
pub
across
the
street
from
the
Bodleian
during
their
graduate
student
days.
We
also
know
that
he
is
protective

(51:31):
of
Diana,
and
he
wants
to
make
sure
that
she
isn't
being
bothered
by
Matthew.
And
that's
about
it.
That's
what
we
know
about
Sean.
And
I
do
wish
we
knew
more.
Okay.
We
just
talked
about
the
characters.
Now
let's
talk
about
a
couple
things.
Two
things
I'm
excited
about
coming
up
in
the
future.

(51:52):
The
first
being
the
congregation.
Who
else
is
a
member
of
the
congregation?
We
know
that
Peter
Knox
is
a
member,
but
we
do
not
know
who
else
is.
There
are
nine
members,
so
maybe
we'll
end
up
meeting
one
of
them
soon.
Or
maybe
more
than
one
soon.
The
other
thing
is
Septeur.

(52:13):
So
we
know
that
Matthew
is
taking
Diana
to
Septeur
to
keep
her
protected
and
away
from
Peter
Knox.
We'll
get
to
meet
Isabel.
She
is
Matthew's
mother,
and
she
was
mentioned
by
Marcus.
Marcus
isn't
happy
that
Matthew
is
taking
Diana
to
Septeur,
and
he
mentioned
how
Matthew
can't

(52:33):
put
Diana
and
Isabel
under
the
same
roof.
It
seems
that
Isabel
blames
witches
for
the
deaths
of
Philippe
and
Louisa.
So
that
will
be
interesting
for
Diana,
the
visit.
And
what
else
will
we
learn
there?
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
favorite
quotes.
I
had
a
few
quotes
here
that
I
thought

(52:53):
about
mentioning,
but
the
one
that
stood
out
to
me
was
when
Diana
said,
magic
is
desire
made
real.
I
really
like
this
quote,
and
I
like
how
we
can
use
this
in
our
own
reality
outside
of
the
story.
It
could
imply
that
a
desire
someone
has
could
have
the
power
to
manifest
into
reality
and
and
if
that

(53:13):
desire
is
strong
enough,
it
can
materialize
for
that
person.
But
just
have
good
thoughts
when
thinking
about
these
desires.
People
leave
the
negativity
out
because
you'll
never
know
what
you
might
bring
into
this
world.
All
right,
folks,

(53:33):
that
brings
us
to
the
end
of
this
episode.
Into
the
world
of
the
discovery
of
witches.
We
tackle
chapters
twelve
through
16
and
next
week
we
will
be
reading
chapters
17
through
22.
So
get
ready
for
more
adventures
with
Diana
and
Matthew
and
hopefully
a
trip
to
septor.

(53:53):
I'd
really
love
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
what
is
going
on
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You
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Also,
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(54:14):
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(54:34):
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