October 15, 2025 • 53 mins
Curious about the hotwife lifestyle? 🔥
In this episode of Talk Sex with Annette, I sit down with Hot Wife and Wifey Ambassador Serenity Cox to break down one of the most talked-about relationship trends right now. We cover what it really is, how couples build trust and set boundaries, and what to know if you’ve ever been curious about exploring it.
This conversation is all about consent, connection, and real-world relationship dynamics. Whether you’re partnered, curious, or just here for the deep dive, this one’s for you.
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- What “hotwife” actually means
- How this lifestyle differs from swinging and open relationships
- Consent, boundaries, and communication tips
- How couples get started—without pressure
- Why this can deepen intimacy and trust
- Real stories from Serenity’s experience
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Annette (00:02):
I'm Annette Benedetti, host of the podcast formerly
known as Locker Room Talk andShots.
The show has a new name, TalkSex with Annette.
But at its core, this is stillyour locker room.
It's where we strip away shame,get curious, and speak the
unspoken about sex, kink,dating, pleasure, and desire.
Around here, nothing's offlimits.
(00:24):
These are the kinds ofconversations we save for our
boldest group chats, our mosttrusted friends, and of course,
the women's locker room.
Think raw, honest, andsometimes unapologetically
raunchy.
If you've been here from thebeginning, thank you.
And if you're new, welcome tomy podcast where desire meets
disruption and pleasure becomespower.
(00:46):
Now, let's talk about sex.
Cheers.
Right low.
Today's Talk Sex with Annettetopic is hot wifing 101 with
Serenity Cox Inside, thelifestyle that's blowing up
online.
So today we are diving into oneof the most taboo and most
(01:08):
talked-about topics inrelationships right now: hot
wifing.
If you have ever wondered whatit's like to watch your partner
with someone else, or if thethought of that sends a mix of
curiosity and shivers down yourspine, then you're not alone.
Hot wifing has exploded inpopularity.
(01:31):
And nobody embodies it morethan my guest today, Serenity
Cox.
Serenity went from emergencydepartment nurse to adult
content creator.
Along with her husband, shebecame the face of the Hot Wife
lifestyle.
She is the ambassador forWifey, the first adult content
(01:51):
platform dedicated to realcouples.
And she's here to break downthe myths, the psychology, and
the sheer erotic potential ofletting your partner play
outside the lines.
We'll talk about how she andher husband got started, why
this lifestyle can actuallystrengthen trust, and what
newbies need to know beforediving in back.
(02:11):
So buckle up, because thisepisode may push some buttons
and it may also unlock somedesires you didn't know you
have.
But before we dive in, I wantto remind you that I'm over on
OnlyFans and There.
I'm sharing my sex and intimacyhow-tos demos and audio-guided
self-pleasure meditations.
(02:32):
I'm also offering one-offcoaching questions and answers.
So if you're not ready to lockin with a sex coach, you can
give it a try by sending me aquestion there.
You can find me there at talksex within it.
You can also find me over onSubstack doing a whole lot of
the same under atTalkSexWithanit.
And of course, you can scrolldown to the links below and
(02:53):
you're going to find meeverywhere you want to find me.
Can't wait to see you there.
Now, Serenity, I would love foryou to tell my listeners a
little bit more about you.
I'm so excited about thisinterview.
Serenity (03:05):
Well, thanks, Annette.
That was quite the introductionthat you gave.
I don't know if I can do anybetter.
But yeah, that's basically it.
I am a hot wife by lifestyle.
And I'm also an amateur as wellas professional content creator
in the adult industry.
I did start out as an emergencynurse, but have taken a
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sidestep into the adult industryvery happily and having a
wonderful wild ride right now.
Annette (03:39):
This is a topic you guys have been begging me to
cover.
And when I had the opportunityto interview you, I was like,
there couldn't be no one betterfor this moment or this topic.
Listeners, we're going to learna lot today about something
that I think sounds super sexyand interesting.
(04:00):
Uh, hopefully, for those of youwho have had this fantasy or
felt this excitement at the ideaof seeing your woman with
somebody else, it's gonna helpyou feel a little less alone,
maybe understand this lifestylea little bit more.
But some of you are just gonnalearn about it and you're gonna
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go to the bedroom and masturbateafterwards.
And and we're gonna give youtips on not only what it is, but
how to get started or give it atry if it's something you're
interested in.
So I don't I don't need to giveyou any more reasons to stay to
the end.
I'm ready.
Let's let's dive in.
I am ready to talk about hotwifing.
(04:42):
Cheers.
Serenity (04:44):
Cheers.
Let's do it.
Annette (04:45):
Let's do it.
So, what the hell is hotwifing?
Let's just start there.
Can you tell someone, forsomebody who has never heard of
it, what exactly is hot wifing?
Serenity (04:57):
So I'm gonna talk about it in the context of a
man-woman-married couple,because that's what I'm familiar
with and what I do.
So, within this two-personcommitted unit, the woman will
go out and have sexualexperiences with other people
besides her husband, but withfull support and consent and
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excitement from the husband.
So it's encouraged.
And there's a whole spectrum ofhow the husband might or might
not be involved in thoseactivities.
For some, the husband is therewatching his wife with other men
or other people.
For some, the husband isjoining in and like a threesome
style or a group uh playsession.
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And for some, the wife is goingon her own with other men and
then coming home and bringingthese stories home to her
husband to share and bring outexcitement for both of them.
So it's all the same sort ofdriving kink is that the wife is
having experiences with othermen, but there's just different
ways that the and can kind ofoverlap as well.
There's no real hard, fast rulebeyond the both partners being
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fully into it together.
Annette (06:04):
How does hot wifing differ from swinging or
cuckolding or just having anopen relationship?
Serenity (06:15):
So they're all under the same sort of umbrella of a
consensual non-monogamy, butjust with slight differences.
I think the closest thing tohot wifing would be the cuckold
dynamic.
The difference being that withcuckold, there's a little more
like humiliation or degradationtowards the husband.
The wife goes out and there's alot of comparison, like this
man is pleases me better thanyou, or is there's there's that
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sort of the the husband usuallygets some kind of thrill out of
being humiliated by the wife'sactions.
Whereas hot wifing is moreeverybody's just having a good
time.
Nobody's trying to compete oror or humiliate anybody.
It's just a pure just forpleasure.
Swinging tends to be more whereboth partners are either having
experiences couple on couple,or they're both seeking out
(07:01):
these experiences.
Whereas hot wife, it's just thewife who does, and the husband
gets the pleasure through herpleasure.
And was there any other termsthat we're comparing?
I think it's just all kind ofunder the umbrella of consensual
non-monogamy, just differentkinks, different preferences.
Annette (07:17):
So yeah, I guess I would say then what are the
standout traits that mark thedifference between hot wifing
and everything else?
It sounds like one is it's thewife that is primarily going
out.
And are you only having sexwith other men?
Or does this include otherwomen?
Serenity (07:40):
That's dependent on the on the couple.
For us, it's mostly men.
I do have experiences withother women as well, but there's
more of a thrill with othermen, especially for my husband.
He likes to, he likes to enjoyseeing me or being with me with
other men.
I think it still falls underthe same definition if the wife
is having experiences with otherwomen, if the man is finding
(08:01):
pleasure from that.
But it is hard to like put aput the relationship in a box or
a definition because everybody,we're so unique.
We all have our different sortof tweaks or kinks within the
specific kink.
Annette (08:15):
So what would make it appeal to a man?
What is the drive behindwanting to have his wife go out
and be with other men?
Serenity (08:29):
There's different uh sort of motives or excitements
behind it.
For us, I mean, I'm not I'm notan expert.
I only know what I'veexperienced and can share our
own journey.
But for my husband, he justreally likes seeing me getting
as much pleasure as I can get.
And he enjoys watching me withanother man.
And that's just exciting forhim to see me fully immersed in
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pleasure that he can sit backand watch or bring that home to
him.
There's just a real excitementthat his wife is doing these
incredible things with somebodyelse.
But I do think that it's it'sdefinitely dependent on the
husband.
And there's different thoughtsand different motives behind
everybody's kinks andpreferences.
Annette (09:11):
Is there a sense of pride?
Like this is my wife, and youget to have her for a moment,
but this is my person.
Serenity (09:21):
Yeah, I think that's definitely mixed up with it as
well.
Is it just knowing that he hasthis wife who's desirable to
other men?
So like he's like, there ispride there.
There's pride in me being likethis desirable woman that that
is his partner, but also thatknowledge that after this, I
come home to him and like he'smy person and I'm his person.
(09:42):
So as much as I get to do thiswith other men, at the end of
the day, like we're each others.
So there's there's there's somany different different
emotions and different feelingsjust mixed in with it.
And what is what are thebiggest thrills for you?
So for me, of course, it's it'sexciting to have experiences
(10:05):
with different men.
Like that's just knowing that Ihave the encouragement and
permission, I guess.
I don't like using the wordpermission because that makes it
sound more possessive, but justthe the support of my husband
to go out and experience what Iwant to experience sexually and
fully be this sexual person,this woman who can just do
whatever I want, right?
But the thrill for me is when Icome home and share those
(10:28):
experiences with my husband, orjust talking about it or
role-playing it and just how itbrings us closer together and
just seeing the the excitementin his eyes.
There's just something reallyunmatched about that
reconnection afterwards.
Annette (10:46):
For some people, there's like a reclamation
period.
Is that something that youexperience or that you could
explain to my listenership alittle bit better?
Serenity (10:55):
Yeah.
So the reclamation again, someof these, some of these terms we
don't necessarily identifywith, but we do some of the same
actions.
Reclamation kind of to mesounds like you're mine, I'm
taking you back.
Like you've been out with thisguy now, I'm taking you back as
mine, which I think probablythere's some of that in it, but
(11:18):
I like to call it a reconnectionbecause it's about the two of
us sharing this experience andhaving our own intimate moments
afterwards and just feeling thatthrill together.
So less of a reclamation andmore of a reconnection
afterwards.
And we definitely do that inthere's different ways we do.
Sometimes it's juststorytelling and like closeness.
(11:39):
Sometimes it's a full, full,like vigorous sex.
And sometimes it's just like alittle playful teasing or or
oral sex, or there's there'sdifferent different levels that
we'll do, but there's alwayssome kind of reconnection
afterwards that's involved.
Annette (11:57):
All right.
I mean, that sounds hot to me.
Does he ever ask or feel theneed to be with other women, or
is that just not part of the didynamic at all?
Is that not an urge becausehe's getting what get it like
this is his thing for us?
Serenity (12:15):
And and right now, I mean, things evolve, dynamics
change and relationships evolve.
But right now, we are bothfully satisfied by the the
dynamic that we have.
And he doesn't have experienceswith other women that might
change down the road.
I'm not opposed to that, butright now we're just really
having fun with this, with thisside of things.
Annette (12:36):
Yeah, does he have a say in who the men are?
Do you choose them together?
How do you how do you get yourother dicks?
That's what I want to know.
Serenity (12:46):
So usually I'll find the men myself, but I do so my
my method is always dating apps.
We're kind of more of privatepeople.
We don't go out to clubs orkick up people in at swingers'
clubs.
We're more dating apps andswiping through gentlemen, and
I'll find somebody who I findinteresting, have a bit of a
(13:06):
conversation first.
And if I want to pursuesomething, then I'll bring bring
this profile or conversation tomy husband and say, What do you
think of this guy?
I think I'm interested and Iwant to pursue him.
And if for I mean, he'susually, if I'm into somebody,
he's usually on board.
But if there is something thathe doesn't think is quite right
or doesn't quite quite like, Idon't go for it.
(13:28):
We have to both be both be onboard and I have to get his his
blessing for it to be enjoyable.
Annette (13:35):
And so do you is he there present most of the time?
Do you do a mix?
How do you decide that?
Serenity (13:44):
Personally, we do a mix.
Most often when I first find aguy, it'll be one-on-one at
first.
So I don't bring my husbandalong the first time I'm meeting
somebody because sometimesthat's a little bit intimidating
because it's usually singleguy.
Not all of them have hadexperiences with hot wife
couples before.
So I like to kind of get a feelfor him, make sure that he's
comfortable with me, and notjust bombard him with this is my
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husband, and we're both goingto be involved in this.
So that's just my preference.
I like everyone to becomfortable.
I don't like there to be anysort of feelings of unease.
I want everyone to just berelaxed.
And once I know that I'mcomfortable with the guy and
he's okay with my husband beingpresent, then we have an
introduction and we kind of takeit step by step.
Annette (14:26):
So up front, they know you're a hot wife.
They they understand thedynamic.
Serenity (14:31):
Yes.
I make sure that even in mylittle dating profile, I have
happily married and then have alittle bit of our dynamic, and
I'm very open about what we doand what I'm looking for, just
so that I don't end up comingacross anybody who's looking for
a relationship or or notcomfortable with a with a
husband being involved in thepicture.
I want everyone to becomfortable and just open about
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everything right from the start.
Annette (14:57):
How hard is it to find men?
It's it's not too hard.
It's not hard.
Come on, why don't you just behonest?
Yeah, it's it's not too hard.
I know that there are men outthere listening right now going,
oh, real men wouldn't want todo that.
Bob, you all would in a fuckingheartbeat.
You would swipe on her profileand you'd be like, Coppy has to
(15:21):
know, I'm doing it.
Yeah.
We don't have too hard a timeyet.
Yeah, that's what I figured.
That's what I figured.
And so do you have ongoingpartners?
Serenity (15:33):
Yes.
So I do, I'm always kind of onthe lookout with for new people,
but over the years, we've beendoing this for like five years
now.
So over the years, we've madesome great friends with people
that I've I first just soughtout as uh hookups or part or
one-time partners.
And then they've come back andthen we've formed friendships.
So there's there's a few peoplewho are repeat partners that to
(15:57):
come and go.
Sometimes it'll be they'll bedating somebody for a bit and
then healthier from them whenthey've had a breakup and be
like, oh, you're still doing thehot life thing.
So it's nice to have like thesefamiliarities with people that
you're you're comfortable withand and have that trust with and
not always just looking for newpeople.
Annette (16:15):
So when they join you and your husband wherever, what
can you tell me what that lookslike?
Serenity (16:23):
So when we're doing like a full threesome with my
husband involved.
Uh oh, yeah.
What is the what's involved?
What does that look like?
So my husband likes he likes towatch, but he also likes to
join in, but not not fully.
So usually he'll sit back andand watch as as I'm having an
(16:44):
experience with a gentleman, andthen he'll kind of like come in
for a little bit and then sitback for a little bit, and then
come in for a little bit and sitback for a little bit.
So he kind of comes and goes.
We do, I mean, this is all kindof intertwined with our content
creation.
So often we're doing, even ifit's just for us, often my
husband's filming it.
Almost always, even if we'renot putting it on the internet,
(17:05):
he's filming it because like welove just watching back our
experiences.
So when he's sitting back andwatching, he's usually also
filming it and then and thenjoining in because that's just
also the kink for us.
Annette (17:18):
But the filming, the filming, yeah.
Yeah.
Why, why wouldn't it be?
So when you say he doesn'tfully join in, what does that
mean?
Serenity (17:29):
So at first, it's usually just as I can see that
my husband's becoming morearoused, I'll like call him in
to do a bit of oral sex withhim.
And often he'll just watch andthen I'll give him some oral sex
while I'm while I'm havinghaving sex with the other
gentleman.
And then usually if I can tellthat he's really aroused, I kind
of base it on how how he'slooking, how he how aroused he
(17:51):
seems to be, and how close he'sgetting to to the to the action.
And then I'll switch around andask him to to join in.
Annette (18:01):
But yeah, so it can be a full threesome if you want,
based on sort of his mood andhow he's enjoying it.
Serenity (18:08):
Yeah, how he is, and also and also on the comfort of
the the other guy.
If it's somebody who's new,then it might just be more of a
watching thing.
And if it's somebody like whowe're we're really good friends
with and we get together withall the time, just it's back and
forth like a full, fullthreesome.
Right, right.
Do you have a preference?
Do I have a preference?
I love when they're bothinvolved.
(18:29):
I love when my husband is fullyinvolved with me and another
guy.
Annette (18:33):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean, it seems obvious to me
what I would want with thatsituation, but it's fun just
having the attention of two men.
Serenity (18:43):
I find it life a very fortunate situation to be in
where my husband loves it asmuch as I do.
And just having this attentionand being the middle.
Yeah.
Annette (18:53):
It's so funny to me because years ago, for some
reason, I thought the idea ofmultiple men was I had a really
negative connotation with it.
Like it would be for somereason, it seemed kind of
violent.
The idea of it, just two menlike being aggressive was in my
(19:13):
mind.
And someone said to me once,because I was saying, I can't
imagine why any woman would wantto be with two men.
And my girlfriend was like,Really?
You don't want two menworshiping your body and paying
attention to you.
And so I stopped and I startedlike reimagining it.
And sure enough, when I had theexperience, I was like, Oh my
(19:36):
god, this is lovely.
They're so nice.
They were so I haven't had alot of experience, but the
experience that I theexperiences I've had, I feel
like I was almost treated betterin those situations.
Like they're so careful andrespectful.
And like, I was definitelytreated like a goddess.
Serenity (19:57):
And I think that's important to say because I think
a lot of people, when they dohear when there's more men than
women in a in a dynamic or likemultiple male partners, their
minds still go to that, thatit's going to be like male
dominant and aggressive.
Whereas the female can still bein control when she's
surrounded by men and can stillbe directing how she wants her
(20:19):
pleasure.
And this, it's, it doesn't haveto be about the men and what
they're getting from this onewoman.
And I think that's just such anold-fashioned way of thinking.
And people still, their mindsgo there.
For example, I'm gonna I'mgoing off on a limb here.
So I recently did with uh withwith Vixen, I recently did my
first gangbang scene.
And I had never had thatexperience in my private life,
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but it was something that I'vealways kind of fantasized about.
And so they set up thisgangbang scene for me.
And a lot of people were justlike, a lot of my my subscribers
who watch my my work were quiteexcited about it.
But a lot of people were like,like, I can't believe you're
going there, Serenity.
Like, this is this is too much.
But really, it was it was themost respectful and beautiful
(21:03):
experience.
And on set, I talked to all ofthese.
There were six or six differentand I talked to all of them
beforehand, let each of themknow this is my first time doing
a scene with this many men.
It's my first time having agangbang in general.
So just letting them know.
And each one of them was likethey'd they'd all done it before
because they were kind of likethey're like the team that they
had.
They go with, don't worry,Serenity, we've got you.
(21:25):
Like, just you don't have toworry about a thing.
You just sit there, enjoy likelazy or enjoy, look, look good,
and and we've got you.
Like, we'll take care of you.
And they did.
And it was just, it was so muchfun.
And I knew like it was goodthat I just I chatted with each
of them beforehand so that theyall knew it was my first time.
And like this, each one had thesame response, and they were
like, This is about you.
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You're gonna have a great time.
And I felt completely respectedand and in control, even though
there were six big guys aroundme, because you know, if
anything was anything was up, wehad talks about what I was
comfortable with, what I wasn'tcomfortable with, and we all
just had this communicationbeforehand, and I felt just
completely safe and completelyuh looked after, and it was
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great.
And it's it doesn't have to beabout the guys getting it from
this girl, it can be aboutgiving this experience to a
woman who is a highly sexualperson and just wants it.
Annette (22:18):
Right.
I I think that peopleunfortunately, oh at least older
school porn did kind of portraymultiple men on and a woman in
more of an aggressive way.
But I think the reality is Ipersonally and from talking to
(22:39):
experts like yourself, I thinkmen are almost on better
behavior when there's more thanone of them around.
And and I think there's alsothis, you know, if they're good
people, this knowledge that,okay, we've got to like make
sure this person is feels safeand consensual, maybe a little
competition who can give morepleasure, which always is gonna
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be good for you.
So yeah, there is a lot ofstigma around it, especially for
women, because first of all,we're supposed to not even want
sex.
We certainly aren't supposed towant sex with more than one
man.
So it's been framed in thisreal, whereas like a man wanting
to be with a harem of women isbeautiful.
(23:22):
That's okay with society,right?
Right, right.
And so there's really you gottaundo that stigma in your head
and that sort of scripting,patriarchal scripting.
So it makes sense to me.
And so I'm sure for yourhusband in that situation,
seeing you like multiple menwill probably be a turn on in
(23:45):
the hot wife wifing realm aswell, right?
Oh yeah.
Serenity (23:48):
He was very excited.
He was he was so stoked forthat.
And that's and that's part ofpart of the reason that I that I
do the professional scenes withVixen as well, is that it like
it's really fun, but it also,even though I'm doing that on my
own in a studio, like in adifferent country from my
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husband, I bring those storieshome and that fully feeds our
our kink as well.
And and like I said, what weboth have fantasies about
multiple men with me.
Um, and in our private life, wejust weren't able to make that
happen in a way that I wascomfortable.
So we've we've never done it inour private life.
(24:31):
But when the opportunity fordoing it in like a studio with
Vixen arose, that was just soexciting.
So we were like, this is a wayto do what we fantasize about in
like a really controlled andsafe way.
And it it happened, and Ibrought those stories home to my
husband, and we were both justlike like high five.
Like it was, it was reallyexciting that that I got to do
that, even though he wasn'tthere.
(24:52):
It was still, and then wheneverit came out afterwards, we got
to watch it together in thislike beautiful, high.
I don't I don't know the theword for it is just a very
beautiful film.
Annette (25:01):
Yeah, and and I'm sure that there's a lot of more
safety for you.
Another layer of that whenyou're doing it at a studio,
right?
Yeah.
I mean, I'm assuming there'sdifferent health checks, there's
different vetting these peoplefor you.
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah.
It's a very, very, very safe.
(25:22):
I love that.
I love that for you.
What are some of, let's say,the risks that do come along
with it?
Would you say that you wouldwant people to know about?
Yeah, you love this, you'rehaving a great time with it.
But if you were to say tosomeone who is interested, this
is a fantastic thing, I fullysupport you.
(25:43):
Here are some things to knowahead of time and consider
before you jump in.
Serenity (25:48):
I think most of the risks come down to a couple's
ability to communicate or theirinability to communicate.
I think before you go into thisor take a jump into this
lifestyle, you have to have alot of really in-depth
conversations with your partner.
If you don't have a talk aboutyour limits or your boundaries
(26:10):
as a couple, then you can have,you can run into problems if you
do something that yourpartner's not comfortable with.
So you have to reallycommunicate beforehand and come
up with your intentions, whatexcites you, what you're not
okay with before you go into it.
Another thing that is worththinking about is how your
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friends and family might reactif they found out how, like what
your lifestyle is.
For us, we didn't have thoseconversations with our family
and friends because it wassomething we did in private.
However, we also decided thatwe wanted to put it all over the
internet.
So people found out once ourkinky little secret became
(26:55):
everywhere online.
So we had a lot of peoplecoming to us who we hadn't had
conversations with before.
I don't think if we hadn't madethis into a content creation
journey, I don't think wenecessarily would have had the
need to talk to other peopleabout it.
But it is something to thinkabout how you would respond to
other people if they do questionor have different beliefs about
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what a husband-wife dynamicshould be.
Did you deal with that?
It luckily it went fairlypainlessly.
But thinking back, it was itwas a little naive of us to
think that people weren't gonnafind out when we were fully
putting sex tapes on theinternet.
Right.
(27:37):
I mean, although we didn'texpect it our channel to get as
popular as it did so fast.
But anyway, when when it didget out there and people found
out what we were doing, we hadto have again another
conversation of how we weregonna respond to that.
And we decided that we werejust gonna lean into it, be
confident, and explain exactlywhat this dynamic meant to us,
(28:02):
how it had nothing to do withwho we were as people that they
know.
And we ended up just having alot of really healthy
conversations with people whomay not have known about this
dynamic as a normal thing that ahusband and wife can do,
regular people like us.
So some really healthyconversations came out of it.
A few toxic conversations cameout of it, but overall, it the
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more talk there is, I don'tthink it can ever be a bad
thing.
Annette (28:29):
Right.
You figure out who's who issupposed to be in your life and
in your circle real quick,right?
Yes, it's true.
I love that you say normalpeople like us.
This is something that normalpeople like us do.
I think that's key forlisteners to hear.
Of course, they took it to thenext level, which normal people
(28:50):
do, right?
But a lot of people that dothis are people who are nurses
or teachers, just everyday folksare doing things like this, hot
wifing, choosing a lifestyleoutside of your conventional
monogamous relationship andfinding it fulfilling and having
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really healthy, happyrelationships together.
Serenity (29:16):
Yeah, and it's it's true.
Like we we've now that now thatit's all out there and we but
we put it all over the internet,we use this as a platform to uh
normalize things and to talkabout it because most people
don't, and you don't need totalk about it if this is
something in your private life,you don't need to put it, put it
on the internet.
But since we are, it's a goodexcuse to to chat with people.
(29:38):
I have so many messages fromcouples, from women who are
having thoughts like this or whohave seen our content and and
want to want to do what we do.
And and I responded to havethese private conversations with
people about the their barriersto doing this or their fears
about it or how we went aroundand how we navigated it.
And I think that's really likeit makes it makes me feel good.
(29:59):
Be somebody that people thinkthey can reach out to because
you don't always reach out tojust your your friends who don't
know this is what you're doingin your private life.
So it's it's nice to havesomebody if an adult content
creator because really, like Iam just a regular person.
If I wasn't putting this on theinternet, my husband and I
would still be having our hotwife threesums and just enjoying
(30:20):
life.
And and it's it's justcompletely healthy and
completely normal.
That's not to say that it's foreveryone.
I'd never say thatnon-monogamous relationships
work for everyone.
We're just beautifully uniquehumans, and everybody has their
own way of functioning and theirown way of making relationships
work.
Annette (30:40):
So, what would you say some of the misconceptions are,
the myths that are around hotwifing that are not true?
Serenity (30:50):
I think a lot of people think that married
couples who open up theirrelationship are trying to fix
something, which is sometimesthe case, but it's not always
the case for us.
We were totally happy and wehad a really good sex life.
We were just not fixingsomething, but adding something
to a relationship that wasalready really good and just
(31:11):
enhancing taking our sex life tothe next level.
So a lot of people think you'retrying to fix it by bringing in
other partners, but really itcan just be enhancing and adding
to it and just exploring.
Annette (31:24):
How did you end up here?
So your relationship did notstart as a hot wife dynamic.
You got together as sort of astandard monogamous couple.
You're together for how long?
Serenity (31:41):
Trying to think about we've been together a while,
like we've been together for 13years, and we just started doing
a hot wife thing five yearsago.
Yeah, started out as amonogamous couple, got married
as a monogamous couple, but wehad always had these themes in
our sex life and these sort ofkinks that we developed over
(32:03):
time together.
It really started out in myhusband's uh interest in my
previous relationships, meaninghe would early on in our in our
sex life, in our dating life, hewould ask me some questions
about like previous partnersthat I'd been with that I had
never been asked by previouspartners before.
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I'd only been used to thesevery kind of like vanilla,
monogamous, kind of likepossessive type of boyfriends.
And then when I was with himand he'd ask these questions, I
at first didn't know what to dowith that.
Be like, why do you even knowthese details about my previous
sexual experiences?
Like, because in my head, I Iwould say I would only
understand that as somebodybeing jealous or judgy if they
(32:46):
wanted to know.
Like, because my experiencewith men had only been that.
It like they wanted you to be agood girl before them, right?
But I realized very soon thatmy husband was quite interested
in just experiences I'd had.
And if I told him he wasn'tjudging, he was very excited.
So I learned very soon that themore I told him about
experiences I'd had without himor before him, the more kind of
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interested and excited he wouldget, and the better sex we'd
have together.
So I really like this wasreally interesting to me and
really exciting to me because Icould see how I could push his
buttons and how I could get likethis excited response from him.
And this kind of just happenedover the years.
And then I started, I soon ranout of stories to tell because I
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didn't have that manyexperiences before him.
So it soon just turned intothis storytelling and
role-playing and like making upstories that hadn't necessarily
happened.
And this again, it's just likeorganically, slowly over the
years, just as you learn aboutwhat turns on your partner, he
would learn things that turnedme on.
(33:55):
I would know that I could tellhim some made-up, very slutty
story about myself, would gethim going, and then we'd have
the best sex ever.
So, like this just built upover the years, and it just kind
of often like our role-playingwould come back to threesems,
pretending to have otherpartners with us, and
particularly men, or telling himI'd been out and and done this
(34:15):
with a guy, and then he'd getreally turned on.
So eventually it just keptevolving, and then we decided to
try it for real.
But it was very slow.
It wasn't just like a one dayhave a conversation.
What do you think about havingsex with other people?
It was a very much likelearning about each other,
pressing buttons, and seeing theresponse and just a very
(34:38):
organic development of a kinktogether that neither of us had
done before in previousrelationships, but we were kind
of getting the wheels rollingtoward it together.
And it was really cool.
Annette (34:50):
That is interesting how you almost like developed and
nurtured kinks together as acouple.
That's really beautiful.
That's a beautiful thing to beable to do with someone else.
And I love the way you wentabout it, which when it comes to
advising people on how do youtry out this?
(35:14):
How do you get into this?
I mean, you almost, your ownstory is almost a roadmap,
right?
You can start withstorytelling, you can start with
fantasizing.
Serenity (35:25):
And that's true.
And a lot of a lot of people doask me these questions, like,
how do I and often people willphrase it wrong.
Like if a often it's when Iwhen a husband or a a male
partner asks me the question,like, how do I convince my wife
to or or how do I make mypartner do what you do?
And it's just such a wrong wayof thinking about it.
(35:47):
It's not about convincingsomeone to do something, it's
not about putting this onsomeone, it's about like
developing it or taking thatjourney together.
Just make somebody intosomething that they've maybe
never thought about before.
You can't just convincesomebody to be a hot wife.
You have to start slow maybenot as slow as we did, because
(36:08):
it was years and years, but likejust start with a conversation
about fantasies in general.
I like that.
Like, not just this is myfantasy, what do you think of
it?
Like have a conversation, openconversation.
What turns you on?
What's something that youfantasize about that you've
maybe never told me?
This is something that comes upin my mind a lot when we're
having our intimate times, orthis is something that when I'm
(36:30):
when I'm watching adult content,when I'm watching porn, this is
the kind of thing that turns meon.
Does this turn you on?
What do you think of this?
Like just having conversationsabout what kind of thrills you
and explaining why or what makesyou feel that way is really fun
conversation to have.
And it can be a difficultconversation, but it's it's
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important in order to grow anddevelop these kinks or go on
these journeys together.
Annette (36:59):
Yeah, I love that.
Starting with a conversation.
And I mean, to me, then afterthe conversation, like the next
step is people don't run out andjust bang a guy.
You know what I mean?
Like, this is like I love theway you guys started by let's
try it in the fantasy world.
Maybe it's just a fantasy thatwe don't want to have step into
(37:22):
the real world and and likereally work that fantasy through
storytelling, sharing of pastexperiences and see how that
makes you feel.
And then you can start lookingat okay, now we've done this for
some time, whatever that is.
Now we can we can look atmaking this a real thing.
(37:44):
I would love for you to tell mylisteners about the very first
time you officially hotwifed.
Serenity (37:54):
That was, yeah, that is so vivid in my mind because
we've had we've had a lot ofexperiences since then.
We've made some really goodrelationships with people, but
you don't forget your firsttime.
And so in our progression ofthis journey, we eventually
included dating apps into it.
(38:15):
Before I even went out withguys, we would look through
dating apps as a fun foreplayand talk about like, oh, this
guy I think is really hot.
What do you think?
Would you like to see me withthis guy?
And that was also part of ourrole-playing until we decided to
actually I'd start like swipingyes on the guys and chatting
with them and then having likedirty talk with guys just
(38:38):
online, not in person, and likedear dirty talking with these
real men while having sex withmy husband was like the next
level.
And then eventually there wasone guy who I started talking
with more and more and kind oflike had a bit of a connection
and then told him what I wasdoing, and like this is my
husband and I are getting off onthis.
(39:00):
And so we chatted for like afew weeks.
And eventually he was like, Doyou want to meet up?
Like, do you want to meet faceto face and like look at my
husband, like, is it okay?
Can I do this?
Can we meet up?
And he was like, Yes, yes, youcan.
So I I like I went out on this.
It was, I mean, it was themiddle of the pandemic.
(39:21):
So we went on a picnic in apark, as people did for dates,
and then yeah, we went out, hada picnic in a park, met face to
face, had some wine and snacks,and then he was like, Do you
want to come back to my condo?
I texted my husband and like,he's invited me back to his
place.
Is it okay if I go with him?
Like, this was there was somuch like excitement, but also
(39:43):
like nervousness because as muchas my husband was like
encouraging and like, this isawesome, this is really
exciting.
He still kind of don't knowuntil it happens if it's
actually gonna be okay.
So yeah, he invited me back andwe had a wild night because
this was the first time in likemy, I don't know how long I'd
(40:04):
been with my husband then that Ithis is the first time I'd been
with another man besides myhusband in like years.
So it was very exciting.
But then afterwards, I rememberjust like taking the taxi back
home, being like, oh my God, isthis okay?
Is this okay?
Like it was thrilling.
And I sent my husband a fewupdates and like some like
pictures and stuff.
(40:24):
And then when I got home, myheart was racing because I'm
like, I'm coming back to him tosee if like he's okay with this.
And it was like, as soon as Isaw him, he was just like, like,
tell me everything.
And we had the most likemagical connection and the best
sex, and it was just unrealbecause the relief of me knowing
(40:47):
that it was okay, him like justlike taking me and like wanting
to hear everything.
And from then I knew that thiswas really fun and we needed to
have this as part of our sexlife.
Annette (40:59):
Yeah, it sounds amazing.
So there you go, guys.
You got you got the first timein hot wifing experience, and it
doesn't sound bad to me.
It wasn't bad.
So at this point, I would lovefor you to tell my listeners who
(41:21):
might be interested, whetherthey're a man or a woman, give
them their takeaways.
What can they do startingtonight to instigate this in or
bring it into their life?
If they are wanting to diptheir toe and hot wifing
experience, let's give them sortof a package, if you will, that
(41:44):
can get them there.
Serenity (41:45):
For sure.
Step one, always start theconversation and start it, start
it slow and make it a back andforth.
So start the conversation, justtalk, talk about your fantasies
and what you're into.
Number two, I would say isincorporate storytelling or
role-playing or toys to act as athird into your own sexual
(42:10):
experiences.
And I think not until those twosteps you've become comfortable
with talking about it, settingyour limits, and and playing in
a in a safe role-playingscenario, then have talks about
whether it's something thatyou'd be okay with doing for
real.
And it all depends on thecouple whether finding your
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other person is more comfortablefor you in like a like a bar or
a sex club scenario, orwhether, like us, the the
private people, to find somebodyon like a dating app or
something that's a little moreprivate.
I also something I didn'tmention about sex clubs and
swingers clubs is we're we don'tusually, we don't go to a lot
(42:58):
of them, but one thing I do likeis even if you're not at that
point where you're ready to haveexperiences with other people,
sometimes it's fun just to bearound other people who are
having sex around you or to havesex in front of other people
and just see if you'recomfortable in that situation.
And I mean, most places have aeither I've seen like wristband
(43:21):
systems, whether you're playingwith other people or not, or if
just communicating with otherpeople if you're just playing
with your partner or if you'rewith other people.
And most people are very okaywith you just being there to be
like a couple voyeur or or havepeople watch you.
And it's kind of just a fun,exciting way to just insert
yourself into that world withoutnecessarily having sex with
(43:42):
other people.
Annette (43:45):
Are there communities you can join?
Serenity (43:50):
There are communities you can join.
There are a lot of onlinecommunities.
I don't I don't use a lot ofthem.
There's a lot of like swingersgroups and which have subgroups
for Hot Wife couples.
We don't really use those, so Ican't really plug those.
We had a lot of fun through FetLife originally when we first
started, just mostly for thediscussion forums and seeing
(44:13):
what other people were doing andwhat other people are into.
That's how we even learned theterm hot wipe.
We didn't know that what wewere doing was something that
other people were doing when wefirst started.
We were just like, this is whatwe like and this is what we
enjoy.
And it wasn't until we wentonline and were looking at kink
forums and stuff that werealized we're like, there's a
name for this.
It's called hot wife, andyou're this is a stag and a
vixen, and like all these wordsthat people were using to just
(44:36):
describe what we were figuringout on our own.
Annette (44:40):
I can't believe I didn't think to ask you to go
through the hot wifeterminology.
I don't what is a stag?
What is a vixen?
Is that part of hot wifing?
Can we do hot wifingterminology?
Okay, let me try.
Serenity (44:56):
So so we defined hot wife already, and then there's
also consensual non-monogamy,which is a super important term
because it just means thatnobody's cheating, both people
are giving consent for whateverdynamic is is involving people
outside the marriage.
Stag is the term most oftenused for the husband of a hot
wife couple because he's not acuck, he is fully involved and
(45:20):
he's not being degraded orhumiliated.
So stag is the husband of a hotwife couple.
Vixen is kind of usedinterchangeably with hot wife,
or it can also be used in, Ithink, the the cuck cold
situations as well, but it's thewipe of the of the of the
non-monogamous couple.
Where's there any other onesthat we we needed to define?
Annette (45:42):
Are there any others?
But that's that kind of soyou've got the stag of the
vixen.
And wait, what's what do youcall the guys?
What what are the guys?
The guy is generally called abull.
Serenity (45:53):
We we don't we don't routinely use these terms in our
own private life.
It's more just when we'rehaving talks for public or when
we're using key search terms forour content that we put online.
People like to know the knowthose terms and what kind of
dynamic for their own arousal.
But yeah, bull is the guy whojoins a married couple.
(46:15):
All right.
Annette (46:17):
I like it.
So there you go, guys.
You've got your go package ofhow to get started tonight.
You now have your little vocab.
Learn the vocab, it will helpyou in your search terms.
And know that average everydaypeople, lots of them, you'd be
shocked.
The people I know that do lotsof different things are
(46:38):
definitely not the people youthink they are.
They're everyday people.
It is just a different way ofenjoying pleasure with your
partner and loved one.
I am gonna throw this lastquestion in.
You did say in the beginningthis you that you're speaking to
it as man and woman couple,because that's your experience.
(47:02):
Is I assume this it could bebetween two same-sex people too.
Serenity (47:09):
Of course it can.
I don't know if if I don't knowif you would necessarily use
the same terms like hot wife,but any couple can have the same
kink dislike doesn't matterwhat your gender is.
Right.
All right, so there you go,guys.
Annette (47:23):
I just had to see if there were terminologies for it,
or but yeah, anyone in anydynamic can decide who the wifey
is.
Exactly.
Why not?
Thank you so much for giving usnot only a thorough ex a
thorough explanation, but alsosharing your personal story.
(47:43):
I think that helps people toreally see how it manifested for
someone who's having such agreat time and has a great
relationship.
Can you tell my listeners allof the places they can find?
Because I'm sure they're gonnawant to run and find you after
this.
So Okay.
Serenity (48:01):
So for the safer work stuff, you can you can check out
my Instagram,SerenityCocks.official.
For a little bit of spice, myex account is SerenityCox T-O.
You can also just find me onOnlyFans as Serenity Cox, and
you can, I mean, plug me into aGoogle search and a lot of stuff
will come up.
But also most recently on VixenMedia Group's newest channel,
(48:23):
wifey.com, as their new brandambassador.
You can find me there and youcan find lots of Hot Wife
couples on that channel and heartheir story and how they got
into it.
It's a really, really coolplace to do a little bit of
learning about how Hot Wife hasentered the lives of regular
people.
Annette (48:40):
I love it.
So go enjoy, folks.
Enjoy the content.
My little gift poo to you.
Thank you so much for joiningme and for helping my listeners
understand this experience, thislifestyle better.
So perhaps they can startfulfilling some fantasies they
(49:01):
have.
You're welcome, guys.
I've been I've been dying to dothis one for you.
I'd love for you guys to let usknow if you have any questions
or comments.
If you are on my YouTubechannel at TalkSex withinet, you
can drop a comment below thevideo.
You can also email me atAnnette at talksexwithinet.com.
(49:23):
If you are an audio listener,you can email me or head on over
to my YouTube channel and sendme your questions.
I will either try and get themanswered by Serenity herself or
I will try to get you an answerin some way.
So I'm looking forward tohearing from you.
Share your own story.
Love to hear that.
(49:44):
Until next time.
Listeners, I will see you inthe locker room.
Cheers.
I'm Annette Benedetti, host of the podcast formerly
known as Locker Room Talk andShots.
The show has a new name, TalkSex with Annette.
But at its core, this is stillyour locker room.
It's where we strip away shame,get curious, and speak the
unspoken about sex, kink,dating, pleasure, and desire.
Around here, nothing's offlimits.
(00:24):
These are the kinds ofconversations we save for our
boldest group chats, our mosttrusted friends, and of course,
the women's locker room.
Think raw, honest, andsometimes unapologetically
raunchy.
If you've been here from thebeginning, thank you.
And if you're new, welcome tomy podcast where desire meets
disruption and pleasure becomespower.
(00:46):
Now, let's talk about sex.
Cheers.
Right low.
Today's Talk Sex with Annettetopic is hot wifing 101 with
Serenity Cox Inside, thelifestyle that's blowing up
online.
So today we are diving into oneof the most taboo and most
(01:08):
talked-about topics inrelationships right now: hot
wifing.
If you have ever wondered whatit's like to watch your partner
with someone else, or if thethought of that sends a mix of
curiosity and shivers down yourspine, then you're not alone.
Hot wifing has exploded inpopularity.
(01:31):
And nobody embodies it morethan my guest today, Serenity
Cox.
Serenity went from emergencydepartment nurse to adult
content creator.
Along with her husband, shebecame the face of the Hot Wife
lifestyle.
She is the ambassador forWifey, the first adult content
(01:51):
platform dedicated to realcouples.
And she's here to break downthe myths, the psychology, and
the sheer erotic potential ofletting your partner play
outside the lines.
We'll talk about how she andher husband got started, why
this lifestyle can actuallystrengthen trust, and what
newbies need to know beforediving in back.
(02:11):
So buckle up, because thisepisode may push some buttons
and it may also unlock somedesires you didn't know you
have.
But before we dive in, I wantto remind you that I'm over on
OnlyFans and There.
I'm sharing my sex and intimacyhow-tos demos and audio-guided
self-pleasure meditations.
(02:32):
I'm also offering one-offcoaching questions and answers.
So if you're not ready to lockin with a sex coach, you can
give it a try by sending me aquestion there.
You can find me there at talksex within it.
You can also find me over onSubstack doing a whole lot of
the same under atTalkSexWithanit.
And of course, you can scrolldown to the links below and
(02:53):
you're going to find meeverywhere you want to find me.
Can't wait to see you there.
Now, Serenity, I would love foryou to tell my listeners a
little bit more about you.
I'm so excited about thisinterview.
Serenity (03:05):
Well, thanks, Annette.
That was quite the introductionthat you gave.
I don't know if I can do anybetter.
But yeah, that's basically it.
I am a hot wife by lifestyle.
And I'm also an amateur as wellas professional content creator
in the adult industry.
I did start out as an emergencynurse, but have taken a
(03:26):
sidestep into the adult industryvery happily and having a
wonderful wild ride right now.
Annette (03:39):
This is a topic you guys have been begging me to
cover.
And when I had the opportunityto interview you, I was like,
there couldn't be no one betterfor this moment or this topic.
Listeners, we're going to learna lot today about something
that I think sounds super sexyand interesting.
(04:00):
Uh, hopefully, for those of youwho have had this fantasy or
felt this excitement at the ideaof seeing your woman with
somebody else, it's gonna helpyou feel a little less alone,
maybe understand this lifestylea little bit more.
But some of you are just gonnalearn about it and you're gonna
(04:20):
go to the bedroom and masturbateafterwards.
And and we're gonna give youtips on not only what it is, but
how to get started or give it atry if it's something you're
interested in.
So I don't I don't need to giveyou any more reasons to stay to
the end.
I'm ready.
Let's let's dive in.
I am ready to talk about hotwifing.
(04:42):
Cheers.
Serenity (04:44):
Cheers.
Let's do it.
Annette (04:45):
Let's do it.
So, what the hell is hotwifing?
Let's just start there.
Can you tell someone, forsomebody who has never heard of
it, what exactly is hot wifing?
Serenity (04:57):
So I'm gonna talk about it in the context of a
man-woman-married couple,because that's what I'm familiar
with and what I do.
So, within this two-personcommitted unit, the woman will
go out and have sexualexperiences with other people
besides her husband, but withfull support and consent and
(05:18):
excitement from the husband.
So it's encouraged.
And there's a whole spectrum ofhow the husband might or might
not be involved in thoseactivities.
For some, the husband is therewatching his wife with other men
or other people.
For some, the husband isjoining in and like a threesome
style or a group uh playsession.
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And for some, the wife is goingon her own with other men and
then coming home and bringingthese stories home to her
husband to share and bring outexcitement for both of them.
So it's all the same sort ofdriving kink is that the wife is
having experiences with othermen, but there's just different
ways that the and can kind ofoverlap as well.
There's no real hard, fast rulebeyond the both partners being
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fully into it together.
Annette (06:04):
How does hot wifing differ from swinging or
cuckolding or just having anopen relationship?
Serenity (06:15):
So they're all under the same sort of umbrella of a
consensual non-monogamy, butjust with slight differences.
I think the closest thing tohot wifing would be the cuckold
dynamic.
The difference being that withcuckold, there's a little more
like humiliation or degradationtowards the husband.
The wife goes out and there's alot of comparison, like this
man is pleases me better thanyou, or is there's there's that
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sort of the the husband usuallygets some kind of thrill out of
being humiliated by the wife'sactions.
Whereas hot wifing is moreeverybody's just having a good
time.
Nobody's trying to compete oror or humiliate anybody.
It's just a pure just forpleasure.
Swinging tends to be more whereboth partners are either having
experiences couple on couple,or they're both seeking out
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these experiences.
Whereas hot wife, it's just thewife who does, and the husband
gets the pleasure through herpleasure.
And was there any other termsthat we're comparing?
I think it's just all kind ofunder the umbrella of consensual
non-monogamy, just differentkinks, different preferences.
Annette (07:17):
So yeah, I guess I would say then what are the
standout traits that mark thedifference between hot wifing
and everything else?
It sounds like one is it's thewife that is primarily going
out.
And are you only having sexwith other men?
Or does this include otherwomen?
Serenity (07:40):
That's dependent on the on the couple.
For us, it's mostly men.
I do have experiences withother women as well, but there's
more of a thrill with othermen, especially for my husband.
He likes to, he likes to enjoyseeing me or being with me with
other men.
I think it still falls underthe same definition if the wife
is having experiences with otherwomen, if the man is finding
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pleasure from that.
But it is hard to like put aput the relationship in a box or
a definition because everybody,we're so unique.
We all have our different sortof tweaks or kinks within the
specific kink.
Annette (08:15):
So what would make it appeal to a man?
What is the drive behindwanting to have his wife go out
and be with other men?
Serenity (08:29):
There's different uh sort of motives or excitements
behind it.
For us, I mean, I'm not I'm notan expert.
I only know what I'veexperienced and can share our
own journey.
But for my husband, he justreally likes seeing me getting
as much pleasure as I can get.
And he enjoys watching me withanother man.
And that's just exciting forhim to see me fully immersed in
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pleasure that he can sit backand watch or bring that home to
him.
There's just a real excitementthat his wife is doing these
incredible things with somebodyelse.
But I do think that it's it'sdefinitely dependent on the
husband.
And there's different thoughtsand different motives behind
everybody's kinks andpreferences.
Annette (09:11):
Is there a sense of pride?
Like this is my wife, and youget to have her for a moment,
but this is my person.
Serenity (09:21):
Yeah, I think that's definitely mixed up with it as
well.
Is it just knowing that he hasthis wife who's desirable to
other men?
So like he's like, there ispride there.
There's pride in me being likethis desirable woman that that
is his partner, but also thatknowledge that after this, I
come home to him and like he'smy person and I'm his person.
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So as much as I get to do thiswith other men, at the end of
the day, like we're each others.
So there's there's there's somany different different
emotions and different feelingsjust mixed in with it.
And what is what are thebiggest thrills for you?
So for me, of course, it's it'sexciting to have experiences
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with different men.
Like that's just knowing that Ihave the encouragement and
permission, I guess.
I don't like using the wordpermission because that makes it
sound more possessive, but justthe the support of my husband
to go out and experience what Iwant to experience sexually and
fully be this sexual person,this woman who can just do
whatever I want, right?
But the thrill for me is when Icome home and share those
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experiences with my husband, orjust talking about it or
role-playing it and just how itbrings us closer together and
just seeing the the excitementin his eyes.
There's just something reallyunmatched about that
reconnection afterwards.
Annette (10:46):
For some people, there's like a reclamation
period.
Is that something that youexperience or that you could
explain to my listenership alittle bit better?
Serenity (10:55):
Yeah.
So the reclamation again, someof these, some of these terms we
don't necessarily identifywith, but we do some of the same
actions.
Reclamation kind of to mesounds like you're mine, I'm
taking you back.
Like you've been out with thisguy now, I'm taking you back as
mine, which I think probablythere's some of that in it, but
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I like to call it a reconnectionbecause it's about the two of
us sharing this experience andhaving our own intimate moments
afterwards and just feeling thatthrill together.
So less of a reclamation andmore of a reconnection
afterwards.
And we definitely do that inthere's different ways we do.
Sometimes it's juststorytelling and like closeness.
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Sometimes it's a full, full,like vigorous sex.
And sometimes it's just like alittle playful teasing or or
oral sex, or there's there'sdifferent different levels that
we'll do, but there's alwayssome kind of reconnection
afterwards that's involved.
Annette (11:57):
All right.
I mean, that sounds hot to me.
Does he ever ask or feel theneed to be with other women, or
is that just not part of the didynamic at all?
Is that not an urge becausehe's getting what get it like
this is his thing for us?
Serenity (12:15):
And and right now, I mean, things evolve, dynamics
change and relationships evolve.
But right now, we are bothfully satisfied by the the
dynamic that we have.
And he doesn't have experienceswith other women that might
change down the road.
I'm not opposed to that, butright now we're just really
having fun with this, with thisside of things.
Annette (12:36):
Yeah, does he have a say in who the men are?
Do you choose them together?
How do you how do you get yourother dicks?
That's what I want to know.
Serenity (12:46):
So usually I'll find the men myself, but I do so my
my method is always dating apps.
We're kind of more of privatepeople.
We don't go out to clubs orkick up people in at swingers'
clubs.
We're more dating apps andswiping through gentlemen, and
I'll find somebody who I findinteresting, have a bit of a
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conversation first.
And if I want to pursuesomething, then I'll bring bring
this profile or conversation tomy husband and say, What do you
think of this guy?
I think I'm interested and Iwant to pursue him.
And if for I mean, he'susually, if I'm into somebody,
he's usually on board.
But if there is something thathe doesn't think is quite right
or doesn't quite quite like, Idon't go for it.
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We have to both be both be onboard and I have to get his his
blessing for it to be enjoyable.
Annette (13:35):
And so do you is he there present most of the time?
Do you do a mix?
How do you decide that?
Serenity (13:44):
Personally, we do a mix.
Most often when I first find aguy, it'll be one-on-one at
first.
So I don't bring my husbandalong the first time I'm meeting
somebody because sometimesthat's a little bit intimidating
because it's usually singleguy.
Not all of them have hadexperiences with hot wife
couples before.
So I like to kind of get a feelfor him, make sure that he's
comfortable with me, and notjust bombard him with this is my
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husband, and we're both goingto be involved in this.
So that's just my preference.
I like everyone to becomfortable.
I don't like there to be anysort of feelings of unease.
I want everyone to just berelaxed.
And once I know that I'mcomfortable with the guy and
he's okay with my husband beingpresent, then we have an
introduction and we kind of takeit step by step.
Annette (14:26):
So up front, they know you're a hot wife.
They they understand thedynamic.
Serenity (14:31):
Yes.
I make sure that even in mylittle dating profile, I have
happily married and then have alittle bit of our dynamic, and
I'm very open about what we doand what I'm looking for, just
so that I don't end up comingacross anybody who's looking for
a relationship or or notcomfortable with a with a
husband being involved in thepicture.
I want everyone to becomfortable and just open about
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everything right from the start.
Annette (14:57):
How hard is it to find men?
It's it's not too hard.
It's not hard.
Come on, why don't you just behonest?
Yeah, it's it's not too hard.
I know that there are men outthere listening right now going,
oh, real men wouldn't want todo that.
Bob, you all would in a fuckingheartbeat.
You would swipe on her profileand you'd be like, Coppy has to
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know, I'm doing it.
Yeah.
We don't have too hard a timeyet.
Yeah, that's what I figured.
That's what I figured.
And so do you have ongoingpartners?
Serenity (15:33):
Yes.
So I do, I'm always kind of onthe lookout with for new people,
but over the years, we've beendoing this for like five years
now.
So over the years, we've madesome great friends with people
that I've I first just soughtout as uh hookups or part or
one-time partners.
And then they've come back andthen we've formed friendships.
So there's there's a few peoplewho are repeat partners that to
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come and go.
Sometimes it'll be they'll bedating somebody for a bit and
then healthier from them whenthey've had a breakup and be
like, oh, you're still doing thehot life thing.
So it's nice to have like thesefamiliarities with people that
you're you're comfortable withand and have that trust with and
not always just looking for newpeople.
Annette (16:15):
So when they join you and your husband wherever, what
can you tell me what that lookslike?
Serenity (16:23):
So when we're doing like a full threesome with my
husband involved.
Uh oh, yeah.
What is the what's involved?
What does that look like?
So my husband likes he likes towatch, but he also likes to
join in, but not not fully.
So usually he'll sit back andand watch as as I'm having an
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experience with a gentleman, andthen he'll kind of like come in
for a little bit and then sitback for a little bit, and then
come in for a little bit and sitback for a little bit.
So he kind of comes and goes.
We do, I mean, this is all kindof intertwined with our content
creation.
So often we're doing, even ifit's just for us, often my
husband's filming it.
Almost always, even if we'renot putting it on the internet,
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he's filming it because like welove just watching back our
experiences.
So when he's sitting back andwatching, he's usually also
filming it and then and thenjoining in because that's just
also the kink for us.
Annette (17:18):
But the filming, the filming, yeah.
Yeah.
Why, why wouldn't it be?
So when you say he doesn'tfully join in, what does that
mean?
Serenity (17:29):
So at first, it's usually just as I can see that
my husband's becoming morearoused, I'll like call him in
to do a bit of oral sex withhim.
And often he'll just watch andthen I'll give him some oral sex
while I'm while I'm havinghaving sex with the other
gentleman.
And then usually if I can tellthat he's really aroused, I kind
of base it on how how he'slooking, how he how aroused he
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seems to be, and how close he'sgetting to to the to the action.
And then I'll switch around andask him to to join in.
Annette (18:01):
But yeah, so it can be a full threesome if you want,
based on sort of his mood andhow he's enjoying it.
Serenity (18:08):
Yeah, how he is, and also and also on the comfort of
the the other guy.
If it's somebody who's new,then it might just be more of a
watching thing.
And if it's somebody like whowe're we're really good friends
with and we get together withall the time, just it's back and
forth like a full, fullthreesome.
Right, right.
Do you have a preference?
Do I have a preference?
I love when they're bothinvolved.
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I love when my husband is fullyinvolved with me and another
guy.
Annette (18:33):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean, it seems obvious to me
what I would want with thatsituation, but it's fun just
having the attention of two men.
Serenity (18:43):
I find it life a very fortunate situation to be in
where my husband loves it asmuch as I do.
And just having this attentionand being the middle.
Yeah.
Annette (18:53):
It's so funny to me because years ago, for some
reason, I thought the idea ofmultiple men was I had a really
negative connotation with it.
Like it would be for somereason, it seemed kind of
violent.
The idea of it, just two menlike being aggressive was in my
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mind.
And someone said to me once,because I was saying, I can't
imagine why any woman would wantto be with two men.
And my girlfriend was like,Really?
You don't want two menworshiping your body and paying
attention to you.
And so I stopped and I startedlike reimagining it.
And sure enough, when I had theexperience, I was like, Oh my
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god, this is lovely.
They're so nice.
They were so I haven't had alot of experience, but the
experience that I theexperiences I've had, I feel
like I was almost treated betterin those situations.
Like they're so careful andrespectful.
And like, I was definitelytreated like a goddess.
Serenity (19:57):
And I think that's important to say because I think
a lot of people, when they dohear when there's more men than
women in a in a dynamic or likemultiple male partners, their
minds still go to that, thatit's going to be like male
dominant and aggressive.
Whereas the female can still bein control when she's
surrounded by men and can stillbe directing how she wants her
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pleasure.
And this, it's, it doesn't haveto be about the men and what
they're getting from this onewoman.
And I think that's just such anold-fashioned way of thinking.
And people still, their mindsgo there.
For example, I'm gonna I'mgoing off on a limb here.
So I recently did with uh withwith Vixen, I recently did my
first gangbang scene.
And I had never had thatexperience in my private life,
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but it was something that I'vealways kind of fantasized about.
And so they set up thisgangbang scene for me.
And a lot of people were justlike, a lot of my my subscribers
who watch my my work were quiteexcited about it.
But a lot of people were like,like, I can't believe you're
going there, Serenity.
Like, this is this is too much.
But really, it was it was themost respectful and beautiful
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experience.
And on set, I talked to all ofthese.
There were six or six differentand I talked to all of them
beforehand, let each of themknow this is my first time doing
a scene with this many men.
It's my first time having agangbang in general.
So just letting them know.
And each one of them was likethey'd they'd all done it before
because they were kind of likethey're like the team that they
had.
They go with, don't worry,Serenity, we've got you.
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Like, just you don't have toworry about a thing.
You just sit there, enjoy likelazy or enjoy, look, look good,
and and we've got you.
Like, we'll take care of you.
And they did.
And it was just, it was so muchfun.
And I knew like it was goodthat I just I chatted with each
of them beforehand so that theyall knew it was my first time.
And like this, each one had thesame response, and they were
like, This is about you.
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You're gonna have a great time.
And I felt completely respectedand and in control, even though
there were six big guys aroundme, because you know, if
anything was anything was up, wehad talks about what I was
comfortable with, what I wasn'tcomfortable with, and we all
just had this communicationbeforehand, and I felt just
completely safe and completelyuh looked after, and it was
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great.
And it's it doesn't have to beabout the guys getting it from
this girl, it can be aboutgiving this experience to a
woman who is a highly sexualperson and just wants it.
Annette (22:18):
Right.
I I think that peopleunfortunately, oh at least older
school porn did kind of portraymultiple men on and a woman in
more of an aggressive way.
But I think the reality is Ipersonally and from talking to
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experts like yourself, I thinkmen are almost on better
behavior when there's more thanone of them around.
And and I think there's alsothis, you know, if they're good
people, this knowledge that,okay, we've got to like make
sure this person is feels safeand consensual, maybe a little
competition who can give morepleasure, which always is gonna
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be good for you.
So yeah, there is a lot ofstigma around it, especially for
women, because first of all,we're supposed to not even want
sex.
We certainly aren't supposed towant sex with more than one
man.
So it's been framed in thisreal, whereas like a man wanting
to be with a harem of women isbeautiful.
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That's okay with society,right?
Right, right.
And so there's really you gottaundo that stigma in your head
and that sort of scripting,patriarchal scripting.
So it makes sense to me.
And so I'm sure for yourhusband in that situation,
seeing you like multiple menwill probably be a turn on in
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the hot wife wifing realm aswell, right?
Oh yeah.
Serenity (23:48):
He was very excited.
He was he was so stoked forthat.
And that's and that's part ofpart of the reason that I that I
do the professional scenes withVixen as well, is that it like
it's really fun, but it also,even though I'm doing that on my
own in a studio, like in adifferent country from my
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husband, I bring those storieshome and that fully feeds our
our kink as well.
And and like I said, what weboth have fantasies about
multiple men with me.
Um, and in our private life, wejust weren't able to make that
happen in a way that I wascomfortable.
So we've we've never done it inour private life.
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But when the opportunity fordoing it in like a studio with
Vixen arose, that was just soexciting.
So we were like, this is a wayto do what we fantasize about in
like a really controlled andsafe way.
And it it happened, and Ibrought those stories home to my
husband, and we were both justlike like high five.
Like it was, it was reallyexciting that that I got to do
that, even though he wasn'tthere.
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It was still, and then wheneverit came out afterwards, we got
to watch it together in thislike beautiful, high.
I don't I don't know the theword for it is just a very
beautiful film.
Annette (25:01):
Yeah, and and I'm sure that there's a lot of more
safety for you.
Another layer of that whenyou're doing it at a studio,
right?
Yeah.
I mean, I'm assuming there'sdifferent health checks, there's
different vetting these peoplefor you.
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah.
It's a very, very, very safe.
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I love that.
I love that for you.
What are some of, let's say,the risks that do come along
with it?
Would you say that you wouldwant people to know about?
Yeah, you love this, you'rehaving a great time with it.
But if you were to say tosomeone who is interested, this
is a fantastic thing, I fullysupport you.
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Here are some things to knowahead of time and consider
before you jump in.
Serenity (25:48):
I think most of the risks come down to a couple's
ability to communicate or theirinability to communicate.
I think before you go into thisor take a jump into this
lifestyle, you have to have alot of really in-depth
conversations with your partner.
If you don't have a talk aboutyour limits or your boundaries
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as a couple, then you can have,you can run into problems if you
do something that yourpartner's not comfortable with.
So you have to reallycommunicate beforehand and come
up with your intentions, whatexcites you, what you're not
okay with before you go into it.
Another thing that is worththinking about is how your
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friends and family might reactif they found out how, like what
your lifestyle is.
For us, we didn't have thoseconversations with our family
and friends because it wassomething we did in private.
However, we also decided thatwe wanted to put it all over the
internet.
So people found out once ourkinky little secret became
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everywhere online.
So we had a lot of peoplecoming to us who we hadn't had
conversations with before.
I don't think if we hadn't madethis into a content creation
journey, I don't think wenecessarily would have had the
need to talk to other peopleabout it.
But it is something to thinkabout how you would respond to
other people if they do questionor have different beliefs about
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what a husband-wife dynamicshould be.
Did you deal with that?
It luckily it went fairlypainlessly.
But thinking back, it was itwas a little naive of us to
think that people weren't gonnafind out when we were fully
putting sex tapes on theinternet.
Right.
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I mean, although we didn'texpect it our channel to get as
popular as it did so fast.
But anyway, when when it didget out there and people found
out what we were doing, we hadto have again another
conversation of how we weregonna respond to that.
And we decided that we werejust gonna lean into it, be
confident, and explain exactlywhat this dynamic meant to us,
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how it had nothing to do withwho we were as people that they
know.
And we ended up just having alot of really healthy
conversations with people whomay not have known about this
dynamic as a normal thing that ahusband and wife can do,
regular people like us.
So some really healthyconversations came out of it.
A few toxic conversations cameout of it, but overall, it the
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more talk there is, I don'tthink it can ever be a bad
thing.
Annette (28:29):
Right.
You figure out who's who issupposed to be in your life and
in your circle real quick,right?
Yes, it's true.
I love that you say normalpeople like us.
This is something that normalpeople like us do.
I think that's key forlisteners to hear.
Of course, they took it to thenext level, which normal people
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do, right?
But a lot of people that dothis are people who are nurses
or teachers, just everyday folksare doing things like this, hot
wifing, choosing a lifestyleoutside of your conventional
monogamous relationship andfinding it fulfilling and having
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really healthy, happyrelationships together.
Serenity (29:16):
Yeah, and it's it's true.
Like we we've now that now thatit's all out there and we but
we put it all over the internet,we use this as a platform to uh
normalize things and to talkabout it because most people
don't, and you don't need totalk about it if this is
something in your private life,you don't need to put it, put it
on the internet.
But since we are, it's a goodexcuse to to chat with people.
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I have so many messages fromcouples, from women who are
having thoughts like this or whohave seen our content and and
want to want to do what we do.
And and I responded to havethese private conversations with
people about the their barriersto doing this or their fears
about it or how we went aroundand how we navigated it.
And I think that's really likeit makes it makes me feel good.
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Be somebody that people thinkthey can reach out to because
you don't always reach out tojust your your friends who don't
know this is what you're doingin your private life.
So it's it's nice to havesomebody if an adult content
creator because really, like Iam just a regular person.
If I wasn't putting this on theinternet, my husband and I
would still be having our hotwife threesums and just enjoying
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life.
And and it's it's justcompletely healthy and
completely normal.
That's not to say that it's foreveryone.
I'd never say thatnon-monogamous relationships
work for everyone.
We're just beautifully uniquehumans, and everybody has their
own way of functioning and theirown way of making relationships
work.
Annette (30:40):
So, what would you say some of the misconceptions are,
the myths that are around hotwifing that are not true?
Serenity (30:50):
I think a lot of people think that married
couples who open up theirrelationship are trying to fix
something, which is sometimesthe case, but it's not always
the case for us.
We were totally happy and wehad a really good sex life.
We were just not fixingsomething, but adding something
to a relationship that wasalready really good and just
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enhancing taking our sex life tothe next level.
So a lot of people think you'retrying to fix it by bringing in
other partners, but really itcan just be enhancing and adding
to it and just exploring.
Annette (31:24):
How did you end up here?
So your relationship did notstart as a hot wife dynamic.
You got together as sort of astandard monogamous couple.
You're together for how long?
Serenity (31:41):
Trying to think about we've been together a while,
like we've been together for 13years, and we just started doing
a hot wife thing five yearsago.
Yeah, started out as amonogamous couple, got married
as a monogamous couple, but wehad always had these themes in
our sex life and these sort ofkinks that we developed over
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time together.
It really started out in myhusband's uh interest in my
previous relationships, meaninghe would early on in our in our
sex life, in our dating life, hewould ask me some questions
about like previous partnersthat I'd been with that I had
never been asked by previouspartners before.
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I'd only been used to thesevery kind of like vanilla,
monogamous, kind of likepossessive type of boyfriends.
And then when I was with himand he'd ask these questions, I
at first didn't know what to dowith that.
Be like, why do you even knowthese details about my previous
sexual experiences?
Like, because in my head, I Iwould say I would only
understand that as somebodybeing jealous or judgy if they
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wanted to know.
Like, because my experiencewith men had only been that.
It like they wanted you to be agood girl before them, right?
But I realized very soon thatmy husband was quite interested
in just experiences I'd had.
And if I told him he wasn'tjudging, he was very excited.
So I learned very soon that themore I told him about
experiences I'd had without himor before him, the more kind of
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interested and excited he wouldget, and the better sex we'd
have together.
So I really like this wasreally interesting to me and
really exciting to me because Icould see how I could push his
buttons and how I could get likethis excited response from him.
And this kind of just happenedover the years.
And then I started, I soon ranout of stories to tell because I
(33:35):
didn't have that manyexperiences before him.
So it soon just turned intothis storytelling and
role-playing and like making upstories that hadn't necessarily
happened.
And this again, it's just likeorganically, slowly over the
years, just as you learn aboutwhat turns on your partner, he
would learn things that turnedme on.
(33:55):
I would know that I could tellhim some made-up, very slutty
story about myself, would gethim going, and then we'd have
the best sex ever.
So, like this just built upover the years, and it just kind
of often like our role-playingwould come back to threesems,
pretending to have otherpartners with us, and
particularly men, or telling himI'd been out and and done this
(34:15):
with a guy, and then he'd getreally turned on.
So eventually it just keptevolving, and then we decided to
try it for real.
But it was very slow.
It wasn't just like a one dayhave a conversation.
What do you think about havingsex with other people?
It was a very much likelearning about each other,
pressing buttons, and seeing theresponse and just a very
(34:38):
organic development of a kinktogether that neither of us had
done before in previousrelationships, but we were kind
of getting the wheels rollingtoward it together.
And it was really cool.
Annette (34:50):
That is interesting how you almost like developed and
nurtured kinks together as acouple.
That's really beautiful.
That's a beautiful thing to beable to do with someone else.
And I love the way you wentabout it, which when it comes to
advising people on how do youtry out this?
(35:14):
How do you get into this?
I mean, you almost, your ownstory is almost a roadmap,
right?
You can start withstorytelling, you can start with
fantasizing.
Serenity (35:25):
And that's true.
And a lot of a lot of people doask me these questions, like,
how do I and often people willphrase it wrong.
Like if a often it's when Iwhen a husband or a a male
partner asks me the question,like, how do I convince my wife
to or or how do I make mypartner do what you do?
And it's just such a wrong wayof thinking about it.
(35:47):
It's not about convincingsomeone to do something, it's
not about putting this onsomeone, it's about like
developing it or taking thatjourney together.
Just make somebody intosomething that they've maybe
never thought about before.
You can't just convincesomebody to be a hot wife.
You have to start slow maybenot as slow as we did, because
(36:08):
it was years and years, but likejust start with a conversation
about fantasies in general.
I like that.
Like, not just this is myfantasy, what do you think of
it?
Like have a conversation, openconversation.
What turns you on?
What's something that youfantasize about that you've
maybe never told me?
This is something that comes upin my mind a lot when we're
having our intimate times, orthis is something that when I'm
(36:30):
when I'm watching adult content,when I'm watching porn, this is
the kind of thing that turns meon.
Does this turn you on?
What do you think of this?
Like just having conversationsabout what kind of thrills you
and explaining why or what makesyou feel that way is really fun
conversation to have.
And it can be a difficultconversation, but it's it's
(36:51):
important in order to grow anddevelop these kinks or go on
these journeys together.
Annette (36:59):
Yeah, I love that.
Starting with a conversation.
And I mean, to me, then afterthe conversation, like the next
step is people don't run out andjust bang a guy.
You know what I mean?
Like, this is like I love theway you guys started by let's
try it in the fantasy world.
Maybe it's just a fantasy thatwe don't want to have step into
(37:22):
the real world and and likereally work that fantasy through
storytelling, sharing of pastexperiences and see how that
makes you feel.
And then you can start lookingat okay, now we've done this for
some time, whatever that is.
Now we can we can look atmaking this a real thing.
(37:44):
I would love for you to tell mylisteners about the very first
time you officially hotwifed.
Serenity (37:54):
That was, yeah, that is so vivid in my mind because
we've had we've had a lot ofexperiences since then.
We've made some really goodrelationships with people, but
you don't forget your firsttime.
And so in our progression ofthis journey, we eventually
included dating apps into it.
(38:15):
Before I even went out withguys, we would look through
dating apps as a fun foreplayand talk about like, oh, this
guy I think is really hot.
What do you think?
Would you like to see me withthis guy?
And that was also part of ourrole-playing until we decided to
actually I'd start like swipingyes on the guys and chatting
with them and then having likedirty talk with guys just
(38:38):
online, not in person, and likedear dirty talking with these
real men while having sex withmy husband was like the next
level.
And then eventually there wasone guy who I started talking
with more and more and kind oflike had a bit of a connection
and then told him what I wasdoing, and like this is my
husband and I are getting off onthis.
(39:00):
And so we chatted for like afew weeks.
And eventually he was like, Doyou want to meet up?
Like, do you want to meet faceto face and like look at my
husband, like, is it okay?
Can I do this?
Can we meet up?
And he was like, Yes, yes, youcan.
So I I like I went out on this.
It was, I mean, it was themiddle of the pandemic.
(39:21):
So we went on a picnic in apark, as people did for dates,
and then yeah, we went out, hada picnic in a park, met face to
face, had some wine and snacks,and then he was like, Do you
want to come back to my condo?
I texted my husband and like,he's invited me back to his
place.
Is it okay if I go with him?
Like, this was there was somuch like excitement, but also
(39:43):
like nervousness because as muchas my husband was like
encouraging and like, this isawesome, this is really
exciting.
He still kind of don't knowuntil it happens if it's
actually gonna be okay.
So yeah, he invited me back andwe had a wild night because
this was the first time in likemy, I don't know how long I'd
(40:04):
been with my husband then that Ithis is the first time I'd been
with another man besides myhusband in like years.
So it was very exciting.
But then afterwards, I rememberjust like taking the taxi back
home, being like, oh my God, isthis okay?
Is this okay?
Like it was thrilling.
And I sent my husband a fewupdates and like some like
pictures and stuff.
(40:24):
And then when I got home, myheart was racing because I'm
like, I'm coming back to him tosee if like he's okay with this.
And it was like, as soon as Isaw him, he was just like, like,
tell me everything.
And we had the most likemagical connection and the best
sex, and it was just unrealbecause the relief of me knowing
(40:47):
that it was okay, him like justlike taking me and like wanting
to hear everything.
And from then I knew that thiswas really fun and we needed to
have this as part of our sexlife.
Annette (40:59):
Yeah, it sounds amazing.
So there you go, guys.
You got you got the first timein hot wifing experience, and it
doesn't sound bad to me.
It wasn't bad.
So at this point, I would lovefor you to tell my listeners who
(41:21):
might be interested, whetherthey're a man or a woman, give
them their takeaways.
What can they do startingtonight to instigate this in or
bring it into their life?
If they are wanting to diptheir toe and hot wifing
experience, let's give them sortof a package, if you will, that
(41:44):
can get them there.
Serenity (41:45):
For sure.
Step one, always start theconversation and start it, start
it slow and make it a back andforth.
So start the conversation, justtalk, talk about your fantasies
and what you're into.
Number two, I would say isincorporate storytelling or
role-playing or toys to act as athird into your own sexual
(42:10):
experiences.
And I think not until those twosteps you've become comfortable
with talking about it, settingyour limits, and and playing in
a in a safe role-playingscenario, then have talks about
whether it's something thatyou'd be okay with doing for
real.
And it all depends on thecouple whether finding your
(42:33):
other person is more comfortablefor you in like a like a bar or
a sex club scenario, orwhether, like us, the the
private people, to find somebodyon like a dating app or
something that's a little moreprivate.
I also something I didn'tmention about sex clubs and
swingers clubs is we're we don'tusually, we don't go to a lot
(42:58):
of them, but one thing I do likeis even if you're not at that
point where you're ready to haveexperiences with other people,
sometimes it's fun just to bearound other people who are
having sex around you or to havesex in front of other people
and just see if you'recomfortable in that situation.
And I mean, most places have aeither I've seen like wristband
(43:21):
systems, whether you're playingwith other people or not, or if
just communicating with otherpeople if you're just playing
with your partner or if you'rewith other people.
And most people are very okaywith you just being there to be
like a couple voyeur or or havepeople watch you.
And it's kind of just a fun,exciting way to just insert
yourself into that world withoutnecessarily having sex with
(43:42):
other people.
Annette (43:45):
Are there communities you can join?
Serenity (43:50):
There are communities you can join.
There are a lot of onlinecommunities.
I don't I don't use a lot ofthem.
There's a lot of like swingersgroups and which have subgroups
for Hot Wife couples.
We don't really use those, so Ican't really plug those.
We had a lot of fun through FetLife originally when we first
started, just mostly for thediscussion forums and seeing
(44:13):
what other people were doing andwhat other people are into.
That's how we even learned theterm hot wipe.
We didn't know that what wewere doing was something that
other people were doing when wefirst started.
We were just like, this is whatwe like and this is what we
enjoy.
And it wasn't until we wentonline and were looking at kink
forums and stuff that werealized we're like, there's a
name for this.
It's called hot wife, andyou're this is a stag and a
vixen, and like all these wordsthat people were using to just
(44:36):
describe what we were figuringout on our own.
Annette (44:40):
I can't believe I didn't think to ask you to go
through the hot wifeterminology.
I don't what is a stag?
What is a vixen?
Is that part of hot wifing?
Can we do hot wifingterminology?
Okay, let me try.
Serenity (44:56):
So so we defined hot wife already, and then there's
also consensual non-monogamy,which is a super important term
because it just means thatnobody's cheating, both people
are giving consent for whateverdynamic is is involving people
outside the marriage.
Stag is the term most oftenused for the husband of a hot
wife couple because he's not acuck, he is fully involved and
(45:20):
he's not being degraded orhumiliated.
So stag is the husband of a hotwife couple.
Vixen is kind of usedinterchangeably with hot wife,
or it can also be used in, Ithink, the the cuck cold
situations as well, but it's thewipe of the of the of the
non-monogamous couple.
Where's there any other onesthat we we needed to define?
Annette (45:42):
Are there any others?
But that's that kind of soyou've got the stag of the
vixen.
And wait, what's what do youcall the guys?
What what are the guys?
The guy is generally called abull.
Serenity (45:53):
We we don't we don't routinely use these terms in our
own private life.
It's more just when we'rehaving talks for public or when
we're using key search terms forour content that we put online.
People like to know the knowthose terms and what kind of
dynamic for their own arousal.
But yeah, bull is the guy whojoins a married couple.
(46:15):
All right.
Annette (46:17):
I like it.
So there you go, guys.
You've got your go package ofhow to get started tonight.
You now have your little vocab.
Learn the vocab, it will helpyou in your search terms.
And know that average everydaypeople, lots of them, you'd be
shocked.
The people I know that do lotsof different things are
(46:38):
definitely not the people youthink they are.
They're everyday people.
It is just a different way ofenjoying pleasure with your
partner and loved one.
I am gonna throw this lastquestion in.
You did say in the beginningthis you that you're speaking to
it as man and woman couple,because that's your experience.
(47:02):
Is I assume this it could bebetween two same-sex people too.
Serenity (47:09):
Of course it can.
I don't know if if I don't knowif you would necessarily use
the same terms like hot wife,but any couple can have the same
kink dislike doesn't matterwhat your gender is.
Right.
All right, so there you go,guys.
Annette (47:23):
I just had to see if there were terminologies for it,
or but yeah, anyone in anydynamic can decide who the wifey
is.
Exactly.
Why not?
Thank you so much for giving usnot only a thorough ex a
thorough explanation, but alsosharing your personal story.
(47:43):
I think that helps people toreally see how it manifested for
someone who's having such agreat time and has a great
relationship.
Can you tell my listeners allof the places they can find?
Because I'm sure they're gonnawant to run and find you after
this.
So Okay.
Serenity (48:01):
So for the safer work stuff, you can you can check out
my Instagram,SerenityCocks.official.
For a little bit of spice, myex account is SerenityCox T-O.
You can also just find me onOnlyFans as Serenity Cox, and
you can, I mean, plug me into aGoogle search and a lot of stuff
will come up.
But also most recently on VixenMedia Group's newest channel,
(48:23):
wifey.com, as their new brandambassador.
You can find me there and youcan find lots of Hot Wife
couples on that channel and heartheir story and how they got
into it.
It's a really, really coolplace to do a little bit of
learning about how Hot Wife hasentered the lives of regular
people.
Annette (48:40):
I love it.
So go enjoy, folks.
Enjoy the content.
My little gift poo to you.
Thank you so much for joiningme and for helping my listeners
understand this experience, thislifestyle better.
So perhaps they can startfulfilling some fantasies they
(49:01):
have.
You're welcome, guys.
I've been I've been dying to dothis one for you.
I'd love for you guys to let usknow if you have any questions
or comments.
If you are on my YouTubechannel at TalkSex withinet, you
can drop a comment below thevideo.
You can also email me atAnnette at talksexwithinet.com.
(49:23):
If you are an audio listener,you can email me or head on over
to my YouTube channel and sendme your questions.
I will either try and get themanswered by Serenity herself or
I will try to get you an answerin some way.
So I'm looking forward tohearing from you.
Share your own story.
Love to hear that.
(49:44):
Until next time.
Listeners, I will see you inthe locker room.
Cheers.
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