April 25, 2024 • 33 mins
This episode's guest Alexis Alcalá succeeded in the corporate world, yet it wasn't until he exchanged his suit for a yoga mat and began to do breathwork that his life really transformed. What he was really seeking was inner peace which took some time to discover.. Now, he's created a new breathwork therapy that's helped himself heal and is transforming thousands of lives.
Join us as Alexis shares his journey, delving into the transformative power of holosomatic therapy—a practice that's been breaking barriers in healing emotional and physical pain. This episode is an exploration of the healing arts, where meditation meets breathwork, and where ancient energies of Shiva and Shakti dance together to guide us towards profound personal breakthroughs.
You will learn how breathwork techniques like '20 connected breaths' can lead to sensations of warmth, a heightened heartbeat, and an unrivaled clarity of mind. Alexis's wisdom isn't just theoretical; it's a pathway to experience, with his workshops and retreats offering a sanctuary for those seeking to cleanse their inner world and release the weights that bind them.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
in this episode I'm speaking to the founder of the
inner camp, alexis alkala.
Alexis is a teacher of breathwork, body work, tantra and
energy work, and he's helpingthousands of people around the
world with his creation,holosomatic therapy and if
you're looking to transform yourlife, then this episode will
definitely give you the tools.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
How does meditation affect breath work or vice versa
?
A lot, so it's a really greatcombination, because you are
going to be able to surrendermore.
So, meditation is Shiva andShakti is the energy, is the
activation of the energy, andyou need to balance both
energies.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Hello and welcome to the James Granstrom podcast
Super Soul Model series, where Ihelp people tune and tap into
their natural state ofwell-being.
This week's guest is thefounder of Inner Camp.
Alexis Alcala is a teacher andbreathwork and bodywork and
tantra teacher, and he's beendoing this for over 10 years and
he's renowned for hisadeptiveness of merging
spirituality and science andmaking it seem simple, using
(01:10):
ancient practices up to date,making it practical.
I would really love tointroduce my breathwork teacher
to the super soul model series.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Welcome, alexis hi, thank you, james.
Thank you for your introductionand thank you also for your
invitation.
Very excited to be here withyou today.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Me too, me too, and I'm so excited to be able to
share what you do with the worldand with the audience, because
I think it was end of last year,I came to your breathwork
sessions in Marbella and youknow, I started to have some
amazing experiences from yourbreathwork, particularly your
type of breathwork.
But before we sort of talk intothe breath work and we talk
(01:47):
about the body work and energy,what I'd really love to do is
share with you, the audience.
How did you get into this typeof therapy?
How did this journey ofholistic well-being come into
experience?
Because you don't just stumbleacross this, something has to
happen.
So what's?
What's Alexis's journey?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, so it was like more than 10 years ago I was
living in Germany.
Now I'm living in Spain, inMarbella, and I was living in,
you know, like according to thesociety, society would say that
I was very successful because Iwas working for big companies,
big IT companies, and then had ahigh salary and my life looked
(02:26):
perfect.
I had a really great car and agreat apartment.
So from outside everythinglooked perfect, but inside I was
really unhappy.
I was completely broken.
I started to develop differentdiseases and symptoms.
I became celiac, intolerant todifferent products, different
foods, and I felt really unhappy.
I felt like, hey, this is notwhat they want.
(02:47):
In my life I learned from thesociety that I should work a lot
, I should escalate positionsand get promoted all the time,
but what I was doing?
I became like a project managerand program manager.
I managed budgets with a fewmillions of euros also many
people and I was not able tosleep well.
So until 3, 4 am also manypeople and I was not able to
sleep well.
So until 3 4 am every day, Iwas not able to sleep.
(03:08):
I was triggered by everything Idon't, so my nerves and
everything.
So I realized that this is notthe life I wanted to have.
And then I studied to trydifferent techniques.
I tried therapy, I triedimprovisation, theater, so
different techniques to learnmore about my body, to also
understand my mind, because Ididn't understand why I was so
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unhappy.
And then I decided to go toThailand and to be there for
some time, living there inThailand and also trying
different techniques, tryingbreathwork, trying meditation,
yoga, different things.
And I was in a healing schooland someone told me you need to
try breathwork becausebreathwork is really powerful.
And I had no idea aboutbreathwork.
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So I had done a lot ofmeditation, yoga, different
practices, tantra.
But breathwork was like okay,it's going to be.
Like okay, one more technique,because it's just about
breathing.
And then I didn't have anyexpectations at all.
I went to a room with 40, 50people, everyone yelling, crying
.
It was really wild, it wascrazy.
And then I had really amazingexperiences.
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I saw myself in my mom's womb.
I saw myself with like pastmemories from my childhood.
I was able to release trauma.
I was able to feel so much, Iwas able to really cry, because
I was not able to cry for manyyears and I was able to feel so
much, I was able to really crybecause I was not able to cry
for many years, and I was ableto feel for the first time and I
said, wow, this thing aboutbreathwork is really powerful
and the world really needs to domore breathwork.
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And, of course, I was like Iwas able to surrender more
because I was in thisenvironment and I was really
ready to go deep inside.
Normally in many workshops ittakes a bit longer to go so deep
and to see so much, but for meit was really ready to go deep
inside.
Normally in many workshops ittakes a bit longer to go so deep
and to see so much, but for meit was really easy to see so
much.
And since that I studiedbreathwork in different schools
with different teachers.
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I practiced a lot of breathworkbreathwork in the air,
breathwork in water, differentstyles, different patterns,
different rhythms and I triedmany things.
I also studied to facilitate tomany people people in Asia.
Then I came back to Europe andI studied to facilitate also
breathwork to people, to groups.
I studied to facilitateretreats as well and I saw that
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this was really powerful.
People were transformingthemselves with breathwork and I
heard really many stories frompeople saying I had like a pain
in one of my ribs for 20 yearsand now I don't feel it anymore.
Or I saw people coming withinflammation in the knees and
then after a few sessions ofbreath walking at retreat they
didn't have any inflammation atall and people healing asthma,
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people not needing any moretablets for depression and
things like that.
So it was like a lot offeedback from many people and I
realized that hey, breathwork isa really amazing healing tool
and I need to provide more ofthis.
And I also try different typesof breathwork in the world.
And this is why, after a fewyears of trying breathwork,
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different modalities I combinedbreathwork.
I combined also neurolinguisticprogramming, I combined also
science with the hard learned ofthe years, and then it's when I
created the holosomaticbreathwork therapy.
That is my style.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
This is my breathwork style.
That's the breathwork stylethat I tried with you and I must
have been with you.
About four sessions I've donewith you.
Now I'm just intrigued.
I just want to go back tosomething that you said when you
were talking about like yourhistory.
I'm just intrigued.
(06:36):
I just want to go back tosomething that you said when you
were talking about like yourhistory.
One of the things you mentionedwas in the breath work that you
had, you saw yourself in thewomb, or you saw yourself in
your mother's womb, or you sawyourself releasing traumas.
Would one realize that just bybreathing in a certain way and
so powerfully with yourtechnique, how do these things
sort of come up in the body?
How do these things actuallysurface like, rise up for us to
be able to let go of and shed,because people are so used to
(07:01):
have to get saying you know, Ineed to get, get promoted, I
need to go and get this job.
But since COVID a lot of peoplehave really thought hang on a
minute, there's got to beanother way.
My wellness is really, reallyimportant, but I guess my
question really is is how doesthese memories, how, why do they
surface from a scientific pointof view.
Why do these memories surfaceto the top by your specific
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breathing technique?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
sometimes people call it a psychedelic breathwork
because the experience issimilar to psychedelics to
mushrooms, truffles, ayahuasca.
Of course it's not the same,because we don't go so deep and
also we can control the processall the time.
It's not like, okay, you takesomething, you're breathing on a
specific pattern and then youjust need to suffer or to
experience something.
So you have always the control.
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But sometimes the effects arevery mystical and you can feel a
lot.
The scientific explanation isthat you overcome the ego and
then you can relax.
Also, the breathing patternthat we are doing is through the
belly.
So when we are doing bellybreathing, abdominal breathing,
so we can activate theparasympathetic nervous system
and we can also activate thevagus nerve.
Therefore, we are going torelax a lot so we can activate
the parasympathetic nervoussystem and we can also activate
the vagus nerve.
Therefore, we're going to relaxa lot, so we are going to
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change the brain waves and thenwe will be in a relaxing state
where we can surrender, where wecan access the subconscious
mind and then from there we canrevisit memories from the past.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Do the memories just surface by themselves or do you
have to go and think about it?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
This is coming automatically, because
breathwork is going to give youwhat you need.
For example, some people cometo breathwork and they say, oh,
I want to connect to you, I wantto see memories from the past,
from my childhood.
Some people say I'm moreexoteric and they say, oh, I
want to see my ancestors, I wantto talk to them.
And this is not reallyhappening in a breath box
session, because maybe in thebreath box session, what you
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need to do is to releasephysical pain or trauma from
your body, or maybe you justneed to learn how to surrender,
how to relax, and then there arelike different layers depending
on what you need.
You are going to experience asmuch as you need.
So people with highexpectations and expecting to
have a lot might be not findingwhat they are looking for,
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because maybe the body's needingsomething completely different.
There are people, for example,who come exhausted because they
work a lot, they have no time torest, and they come to a
breathwork session and they justfall asleep.
And this is what your body'sneeding.
Your body's not needing toconnect to your ancestors, to
have visions, to see this orthat.
What your body needs to do isto relax.
There are people who come andthey say, oh, I want to heal a
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disease.
I want to heal, for example,asthma.
Very often asthma is comingbecause of emotional situations,
emotional issues parents whogot divorced, for example,
situations at home when you werea kid.
And in order to heal asthma,first of all you need maybe to
release trauma.
You need to first asthma.
First of all, you need, maybe,to release trauma.
You need to first forgiveyourself, maybe you need to
forgive your parents.
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So there is like a process,there is a journey, and you
cannot always expect that youare going to reach a specific
outcome.
Breathwork is going to alwaysgive you what you need.
In my situation, when I went,when I was in thailand this is,
I was surrendering so much thatI was able to go deep inside.
But I can't imagine if I, if myfirst time doing breathwork
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would be, for example, in Spainor in Germany, where I was
living, probably my experiencewill wouldn't be so, so deep.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Okay it's possible to go so deep.
The reason for that is becauseyou're in a completely different
environment.
You're freer, exactly because Inoticed that sometimes when I've
been in other countries I'vedone a retreat, a fasting
retreat in thailand, and Inoticed that the freer you are
and and perhaps the less peopleyou know, the more powerful the
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experience can be, because youneed to be in a place where you
can not have to worry or thinkabout anything when you're doing
this type of work.
I'm interested from both thescience and the spiritual
perspective, because I want totalk to the audience, who are
both maybe scientific orspiritual, because you talk
about mystical experiences.
That's more of the spiritualside.
(10:58):
But the scientific side what'sactually happening to the body
biologically when you're doingthis deeper holosomatic therapy
that you've created?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
we're not having hyperventilation.
Some people might say, oh, whatyou're having hyperventilation.
Hyperventilation is like anormally a chronic disease where
you are, um, having an anxiety,panic attacks you feel is, for
example, you feel fears.
People who come to our airplaneand then they start happy
ventilating, they breathe veryfast and they breathe like this
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and then they are afraid of theplane, of the flight.
But, um, what is happening hereis we are expelling too much
carbon dioxide.
Okay, we are pushing the carbondioxide and then we suffer the
effects of hyperventilation, butit's not what they have.
What is happening in breathwork?
What is happening in breathworkis that we are bringing a lot
of oxygen inside of the body.
We are superventilating, nothyperventilating,
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superventilating the body.
And then when we are doingabdominal breathing many people
don't know how to do abdominalbreathing this is breathing
through the belly area, so youexpand your belly when you
inhale.
So here we can activate theparasympathetic nervous system.
The parasympathetic nervoussystem, the parasympathetic
nervous system is related to, isthe rest and digest nervous
system is when you are inmeditation, when you are relaxed
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, okay, it happens the same withthe brain waves we go into
another state where we cansurrender, where we go into a
meditative state, but we arevery conscious and this state is
called a non-ordinary state ofconsciousness if you go to the
origin of connected conscious,connected breath work, that is
in the 60s, 70s.
One of the founders was stangroff stan love groff, a
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psychiatrist, and he named this.
He called this holotropic state.
Holotropic state.
I've tried holotropics.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I've done holototropic breathing.
Is that the same as Wim Hof'stype of breathing pattern?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
It's different.
It's different, wim Hof.
The target is to energize thebody.
They use a concept in medicinethat is called intermittent
hypoxia.
Intermittent hypoxia is whenyou deprive your body, organs,
cells and tissues from oxygenfor a short period of time,
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cells and tissues from oxygenfor a short period of time.
When you do this in acontrolled way, this is really
great for the body because youare going to feel like more,
like stronger, more energized itcan be quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
If you're talking about the holotropic breathing,
I tried this.
I tried wim hof's breathing andI did a good one hour of it and
I think it was the next day.
I did that in the afternoon ona Monday, sunday, and the next
day on a Monday, I woke up and Iwas like, wow, I have to go for
a run.
And I was running in the summerhere in Spain and I ran like
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half a marathon in the heat butI was like my body just needs to
move because it was just sofull of energy.
Now I'm used to having a lot ofenergy, but that was like a
very different level of energyand I ran the entire time and it
must have been very hot anddon't recommend it for everybody
.
But fortunately I wasconditioned and I have been
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running marathons and so forthbefore.
But I was really fascinated bythe amount of energy that I got
just from that type ofholotropic breathing that you're
mentioning.
But it's very different to thevery different that you have
been doing one thing is that wehope.
Yeah, but it's really nice tobe able to, because a lot of
people are fully aware of wimhof's therapy.
(14:16):
Yeah, it's absolutely brilliant, but I'm just trying to figure
out what the difference betweenwhat you're offering, which is
the holosomatic therapy, versuswim hof.
So people have some sort ofcomparison, because my
experience of when I worked withyou was wow, I feel like I've
had an energetic cleansing,which is different it's
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different.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
It's different we have is based on intermittent
hypoxia, so you have less oxygen.
Even we can use like a coximeterto check the oxygen levels, so
it's like a bit easy to checkyour oxygen levels.
You will see that when you holdthe breath it's going down,
down, down, down and this iswhat we reach in we have.
So we want you reduce theamount of oxygen and this is
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going to help us to feel moreenergized.
And in the method that we Ifacilitate in holotropic or
holosomatic breathwork, thetarget is different.
The target is to overcome theego, to go to the subconscious
mind and not only to energizethe body but also to visit past
memories, to release trauma fromthe body, to release blockages,
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to feel more.
So it's like, let's say, it'smore.
The target is different andit's like more complex what is
happening.
The sessions are longer and theintensity of the breath is like
deeper than in we have.
We have normally it's like 15minutes, you know, and then it's
like, yes, a preparation ismore for, like more for a
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physical layer, let's say, andin whole somatic, we go deeper,
into deeper layers, we visit thesubconscious mind so who so?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
who needs to do this type of breath work?
Who needs to do this type ofbreath work?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
because, yeah, I'm just really fascinated first of
all, someone who is um brave toface traumas, to face the
subconscious mind, to face theirshadows.
Because, uh, if you don't do,if you really don't want to do
their some inner work, if youdon't want to do some
introspection, and then yousuddenly see past memories, that
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people who come for example andthey realize that they were
sexually abused, for examplewhen they were a kid.
They didn't know, but throughbreath work you can know that
this happened in your life.
So if you are brave enough tosay, hey, I'm okay with facing
my, my shadows, whatever isthere, you are really great,
you're going to be doing reallygreat in breath work.
So you can see a lot people whowant to.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It's scary though it sounds like, when you're saying
that at the beginning of thesession we're all lying down,
you're saying, look, somethingmight surface that you're not
ready for, or you didn't realize, or your mind has shut down.
Because our mind has theability to shut down to keep us
protected and to keep us safe sothat we don't have to look at
some of those traumas.
But why is it that we humansare?
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Why do we get these traumas?
What, what?
And then why do we have toclean them?
This is kind of strange, right.
I find it quite peculiar.
You know, you're coming as ababy, you're perfect as you are,
you've come straight from thesource, you're're beautiful,
you're innocent, you'reradiating this inner glow and
yet, throughout time, there'straumas.
You collect this trauma.
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Why is that?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
You are born, for example, and being born is
traumatic.
For example, their room is verycold or they don't treat you so
well when you're born, and thisis already traumatic.
Or something's going on in yourfamily.
Your family is having financialproblems or your family is not
giving the love that you need,and then this is traumatic.
You are sexually abused.
This is very traumatic.
Even sometimes it's notphysical sexual abuse.
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It could be that someone anuncle, is looking at in a
specific way like a sexualdesire, and this is traumatic,
also for the kid as well.
And then your parents aretelling you you should not play
with your toys, you should study, or you should not talk because
you're not an adult, you are akid.
Kids don't talk, or you shouldstop being so playful, so you
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should study or work or dosomething different.
And then we receive, we createtraumatic experiences, we have
traumatic experiences and theseare bigger or smaller traumas
and this is conditioning us.
And then maybe in the future wedon't sing because we feel like
we believe it's a limitingbelief.
We believe that we are not goodsingers and this is why we are
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not popular and famous singers.
Or we don't draw, or we don'tdo this or that because our
parents.
What we learn is that we cannotdo this or that.
Or, for example, every time Istart a new relationship, I give
up very quickly.
I don't really fight, so I move.
I uh break up with my partneror the same, with a job, the
same.
Or I don't trust myself to havea business, and then I never
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have a business because I feellike it's impossible.
I will not be able, because Iknow that.
Yeah, I learned in my childhoodthat I cannot have a successful
business.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
So this therapy cleans all of these types of
people.
Exactly, and that's reallyhelpful.
So if anyone feels that they'rebeing held back, this is the
type of therapy that they reallyneed to have or to consider.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
That's a really big thing, because a lot of people
can be aware that they, thatsomething's holding them back,
but they don't know exactly whatit is.
And it's because of these pasttraumas or these past energies
that you seem to just becarrying around in the
subconscious mind.
Because the child mind whenI've looked into a child, uh,
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you know the inner child, whereit's just the child mind just
takes everything straight, justgoes oh, you're not enough,
you're not good enough, oryou're not confident enough, or
you don't have enough, or thereisn't enough, or it might be
something completely different.
You know you need to do more.
You need to do more.
You need to do more so you canfeel loved, when in actual fact
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you've already come as love.
And then it kind of getsdrilled out of you through an
experience that maybe you have.
So I'm really fascinated thatthis type of work cleans all of
these types of programs out.
It kind of wipes the computerdrive of your mind.
Clean, right.
How does meditation affectbreath work or vice versa?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
a lot, so it's a really great combination yeah
it's a really great combinationbecause you are going to be able
to surrender more, you aregoing to be able to sometimes
what people, some people come tobreath, work, just to
experience something like more,to get activated and to feel,
feel, feel.
And meditation is, like youknow, shiva and Shakti.
So meditation is Shiva andShakti is the energy, is the
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activation of the energy, andyou need to balance both
energies right Masculine,feminine energy, shakti and
Shiva.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
So is the breath work the masculine and the
meditation is the feminine.
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Meditation is the masculine, so meditation is the
feminine.
Is that right?
Meditation is the masculine, soyou are.
When you're meditating, you arelike shiva.
Shiva is consciousness, ismeditations like you are focused
on right and shakti's feelingsare working in the kundalini
energy and feeling a lot andconnecting to the emotions and
feeling the emotions.
So breathwork can be masculineand feminine, can be a balance,
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right.
And the problem is sometimespeople get addicted to to
feeling.
So many people go into thosepractices.
They just want to feel, feel,feel, feel.
But they don't do meditationand this is the problem because
they don't do meditation, theyget addicted to feel and, uh,
it's an unbalanced person.
Okay.
So meditation can be a reallygreat combination with breath
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work or with any Shaktipractices, with any practices
where you are working with yourenergy because you have the
power.
Very often I see in breath worksessions that people have
worked with their, with theKundalini energy, and they are.
They come to breath work andthey start moving the energy and
they're not able to controlthis.
They're like out of control,and this is because they are not
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meditating.
So meditation is really, reallyneeded in the world.
I understand that many peopledon't like meditation because
it's not so, you know, you cometo breath work.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
There's music, one of the hardest things to do is to
sit still.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, it's really hard.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I no, you can't breath.
Book this music.
Things to do is to sit still.
Yeah, it's really hard, is I?
I consider it the mostrebellious act you can do.
It's so rebellious because, ina world of action and where
everything's moving, sit stillis the most you know hardest
thing to do.
How many sessions does one needto do in order to kind of get
into this freer state of mind,freer state of thinking?
Because there's some people outthere who don't do any of this
type of work yet still do reallywell, but so it's going to be.
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Yeah, so what was happeningthere?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
yeah, it's going to be up to the person how much
work they have done in the past.
Sometimes, for example, fivesessions could be already very
powerful and they can feel a lotalready and they can get very
important insights.
Some people are going to needeven more because they don't
know, for example, how tosurrender.
They have an inner dialogue inbreathwork all the time that I
should do this techniqueperfectly, or I should relax or
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not doing this.
So it's an inner dialogue.
I want to be the best, I wantto have the best experiences.
It's also the ego, and then it'sgoing to be very hard for them
to see stuff from the past.
So, even if you don't see thestuff from the past, this inner
dialogue is also very importantfor your introspection because
you're learning about yourself.
You're learning that, hey, Iwant to be always perfect.
That could be also a problem,could be also something coming
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from a trauma from yourchildhood that you you had to
prove that you're perfect toyour parents to receive love,
for example yeah, right so sothat's the proving thing.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And then you go and try and prove that in the
external world, the 3d world.
Let me prove that I'm a success, so I will be loved and
accepted and acknowledged andvalidated by the people I look
up to, such as my parents, myfather or my mother, or so then
I'll be loved.
So you work yourself crazy totry and get that thing when, if
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you did this inner work and youhad a look at yourself, a bit
like what you were doing whenyou were working in Germany,
you're working so hard to beable to go.
I'm proving myself externally,yet I'm killing myself yeah
totally yes.
So this is, this is reallyfascinating.
So I guess my next question iscould you show us like a one
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minute sort of thing, what typeof breathing pattern that
someone could do if they werelistening on this podcast and
just go look, this is just alittle taster of something that
you could do, that we could alldo together, um, wherever you
are, you know, even if thisepisode is like in a year or two
time just one minute orsomething like that where we
could just go I'm getting anexperience from alexis, who's
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been doing this for such a longtime and really has helped
himself and thousands of otherpeople.
Could you show us a little?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
yeah, I'm going to show you one simple technique.
It's very easy, it can be donein just one minute, can be done
by everyone, at any time.
You can do it, for example,waiting in the supermarket line.
You can do it, for example,before a call, before a business
meeting, at any time.
It's very simple.
You're going to breathe throughthe nose in a connected way, so
there are no pauses betweeninhalation and exhalation,
(25:25):
exhalation and inhalation thisexercise is called 20 connected
breaths.
So in total we do 20 breaths,we do four rounds, and in each
round we do four short breaths,one long breath.
So I'm going to show you oneround only.
So we do this four times.
(25:48):
In total it will be 20 rounds20 breaths In, out, in, out, in,
out, in, out, long, in, long,out, and then we go directly to
the next round.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
And we're doing that four times yes, exactly.
Okay, let's go.
Then Should we do it?
Yeah, let's go out.
And then we go directly to thenext round and we're doing that
four times yes, exactly, okay,let's go.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Then should we do it yeah, let's go, yeah, control
sitting position and let's closethe eyes here and then let's
start and slowly coming backwhen you're ready, and then, if
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you would like to do it longer,you could even do eight rounds
or even 12 rounds.
I don't recommend to do morethan 12 rounds because because
it might be too much and thenyou start saying stuff.
You know those memories and youhave access.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
So I just really interesting, because I'm just
trying to have a littleintrospection as we're having
this conversation and I can justfeel like my body has warmed up
.
Number one.
Number two I can feel my heartis beating a little quicker,
obviously.
And number three.
Another thing is I can feel asensation in my hands here yeah
(27:18):
like a nice tingling sensation.
Uh, what else?
Yeah, I feel my head is evenclearer than before.
Interesting okay, yes and thatwas a great exercise and very
powerful exercise.
Okay, brilliant.
Thank you so much for sharingthat.
Okay, so I I hope you guys athome have tried this.
(27:38):
Whoever's listening, and I and Ihope you've, like, listened to
what alexis has been saying,because this, this stuff is
really powerful.
I want to tell you, theaudience, just as a reminder,
I've been meditating every dayfor 20 years and meditation is a
kind of inner cleansing.
It helps you reset and becomebuoyant again to your natural
(27:59):
state of energy, which is why westart the show saying let me
help you tune in, tap into yournatural state of energy, uh, and
your natural high.
But also, when I found, uh,alexis, and we started doing
this breath work, it's beautifulbecause it felt like that there
was a different layer ofcleansing and, whilst I haven't
seen anything visually thatalexis was talking about, I have
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felt something beautifullycoming over me, like sometimes
tears of gratitude, sometimesfeeling this playful aspect of
myself come out and sometimesjust absolute tingling all over
the body.
And it definitely feels verydifferent from a meditation
practice that I do, which isjust allowing the thoughts to
(28:43):
just pass and come back to thepresent moment time and time
again.
But, yeah, the breath work,particularly your style, the
holosomatic therapy that you dowith the music and, by the way,
I think that's probably thereason why I really appreciate
your type of work, because themusic allows you to follow the
system so much more easily thanjust someone saying breathe in,
(29:04):
breathe out.
And so I really liked the waythat your holosomatic therapies
seems for me a lot more easilyguided for me to get to those
really deeper states where Istart to feel this release again
and again.
So I'm just, I'm just curioushow did you sort of come about
that part or the music aspect ofit?
(29:24):
It just seems so natural thatwhy wouldn't you add music to it
?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
yeah, this work is like the results of working with
different breathwork facilityto try and many different styles
, studying different schools,trying a lot of breathwork with
myself.
I have done hundreds ofsessions for myself, so I have
tried many things.
I have got a lot of feedback.
So now, when you're seeing thesessions, is something that is
very, very refined after manyyears of work and using the
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right music to evoke the rightemotions, using the right words
as well to access the differentparts of your subconscious mind.
So it has been taken reallytook really long to come up with
this method and and it works.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
It works because that music that you you use is
really does make you feel goodand it makes you feel connected.
And and for me, because I lovemusic I'm a big music fan, I
make music it really just strucka chord with me, particularly
your style, which is differentfrom some of the other
breathwork that I've come across.
(30:28):
But, alexis, I just wanted toask you how could people get in
contact with you, where I knowyou're doing retreats?
Where are you doing retreats?
Uh, you know you've got a verybusy schedule and you're very
sought after, uh, and you'reparticularly well connected in
the breathwork community andwellness community and you've
had so many accolades.
Where can people find you andcome and do your retreats?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
they can find me on innercampcom, also on instagram,
innercamp is our account, andthen we have virtual workshops.
They can try this in a virtual,with a virtual setting.
They can also join us in ourretreats or, if they want to
become a breathwork facilitator,we have also the option to you
yeah, to you to study how tofacilitate this kind of method I
(31:15):
wanted to ask you what's thedifference between coming to an
in-person retreat versus doing avirtual retreat?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
because are the effects the same?
Are they different?
You know, are people you know?
If you're starting to releasethings, is it okay to be at home
when you're doing that, or isit better to be in an
environment?
You know, these are the type ofquestions I'm sure people have.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, the virtual workshops are really great for
people who's I know, for example, here in Spain, and they are
not, uh, in Europe.
We get people from Latin America, from Australia, from different
continents, and it's hard forthem to to join us in person.
I would say that the virtualevents are 80% the effects are
around 80% of what you can feelin person, because in person we
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can do body work.
Yeah, person, because in personwe can do body work, yeah, yeah
, it still is very powerful andimportant also, if you came to a
virtual workshop and you dobreath work with anyone in a
virtual setting, is that youneed to be responsible for
yourself.
There's no one there next toyou supporting you, because
sometimes we might face some bigtraumas and then no one is
going to be there supporting youand you need to consider days.
(32:21):
So you need to ask yourself aquestion, the question of am I
responsible for myself?
Am I going to be okay?
Can I manage the situationproperly?
Or, if you are coming with PTSD, with big traumas, with anxiety
, et cetera, this might be notthe right setup for you.
It might be better to go to anin-person session or event.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Amazing, wow, alexis.
It be better to go to anin-person session or event.
Amazing, wow, alexis.
It's been so insightfulspeaking to you today.
Thank you for sharing your giftand your knowledge and the
holosomatic therapy.
We haven't had a chance reallyto touch on the tantra or the
body work, but we'll do that onanother show, I think, because
that's another massive part ofwhat you do.
(33:02):
But thank you so much for beingon the show today and sharing
your knowledge and your wisdom,but also for sharing your light
and your challenge and beingable to go.
Look, I've moved through it andI'm helping literally thousands
of people all over the world.
So thank you so much for beingthis week's super soul model.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Thank you so thank you so much for being this
week's super soul model.
Thank you, james.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Thank you for yeah for your invitation, thanks for
tuning into this episode and ifyou've enjoyed this or any of
the others, please remember youcan support the show, and your
contributions do allow us tokeep bringing you the best
guests.
In the meantime, till the nextepisode, I wish you green lights
all the way.
in this episode I'm speaking to the founder of the
inner camp, alexis alkala.
Alexis is a teacher of breathwork, body work, tantra and
energy work, and he's helpingthousands of people around the
world with his creation,holosomatic therapy and if
you're looking to transform yourlife, then this episode will
definitely give you the tools.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
How does meditation affect breath work or vice versa
?
A lot, so it's a really greatcombination, because you are
going to be able to surrendermore.
So, meditation is Shiva andShakti is the energy, is the
activation of the energy, andyou need to balance both
energies.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Hello and welcome to the James Granstrom podcast
Super Soul Model series, where Ihelp people tune and tap into
their natural state ofwell-being.
This week's guest is thefounder of Inner Camp.
Alexis Alcala is a teacher andbreathwork and bodywork and
tantra teacher, and he's beendoing this for over 10 years and
he's renowned for hisadeptiveness of merging
spirituality and science andmaking it seem simple, using
(01:10):
ancient practices up to date,making it practical.
I would really love tointroduce my breathwork teacher
to the super soul model series.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Welcome, alexis hi, thank you, james.
Thank you for your introductionand thank you also for your
invitation.
Very excited to be here withyou today.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Me too, me too, and I'm so excited to be able to
share what you do with the worldand with the audience, because
I think it was end of last year,I came to your breathwork
sessions in Marbella and youknow, I started to have some
amazing experiences from yourbreathwork, particularly your
type of breathwork.
But before we sort of talk intothe breath work and we talk
(01:47):
about the body work and energy,what I'd really love to do is
share with you, the audience.
How did you get into this typeof therapy?
How did this journey ofholistic well-being come into
experience?
Because you don't just stumbleacross this, something has to
happen.
So what's?
What's Alexis's journey?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, so it was like more than 10 years ago I was
living in Germany.
Now I'm living in Spain, inMarbella, and I was living in,
you know, like according to thesociety, society would say that
I was very successful because Iwas working for big companies,
big IT companies, and then had ahigh salary and my life looked
(02:26):
perfect.
I had a really great car and agreat apartment.
So from outside everythinglooked perfect, but inside I was
really unhappy.
I was completely broken.
I started to develop differentdiseases and symptoms.
I became celiac, intolerant todifferent products, different
foods, and I felt really unhappy.
I felt like, hey, this is notwhat they want.
(02:47):
In my life I learned from thesociety that I should work a lot
, I should escalate positionsand get promoted all the time,
but what I was doing?
I became like a project managerand program manager.
I managed budgets with a fewmillions of euros also many
people and I was not able tosleep well.
So until 3, 4 am also manypeople and I was not able to
sleep well.
So until 3 4 am every day, Iwas not able to sleep.
(03:08):
I was triggered by everything Idon't, so my nerves and
everything.
So I realized that this is notthe life I wanted to have.
And then I studied to trydifferent techniques.
I tried therapy, I triedimprovisation, theater, so
different techniques to learnmore about my body, to also
understand my mind, because Ididn't understand why I was so
(03:30):
unhappy.
And then I decided to go toThailand and to be there for
some time, living there inThailand and also trying
different techniques, tryingbreathwork, trying meditation,
yoga, different things.
And I was in a healing schooland someone told me you need to
try breathwork becausebreathwork is really powerful.
And I had no idea aboutbreathwork.
(03:50):
So I had done a lot ofmeditation, yoga, different
practices, tantra.
But breathwork was like okay,it's going to be.
Like okay, one more technique,because it's just about
breathing.
And then I didn't have anyexpectations at all.
I went to a room with 40, 50people, everyone yelling, crying
.
It was really wild, it wascrazy.
And then I had really amazingexperiences.
(04:12):
I saw myself in my mom's womb.
I saw myself with like pastmemories from my childhood.
I was able to release trauma.
I was able to feel so much, Iwas able to really cry, because
I was not able to cry for manyyears and I was able to feel so
much, I was able to really crybecause I was not able to cry
for many years, and I was ableto feel for the first time and I
said, wow, this thing aboutbreathwork is really powerful
and the world really needs to domore breathwork.
(04:33):
And, of course, I was like Iwas able to surrender more
because I was in thisenvironment and I was really
ready to go deep inside.
Normally in many workshops ittakes a bit longer to go so deep
and to see so much, but for meit was really ready to go deep
inside.
Normally in many workshops ittakes a bit longer to go so deep
and to see so much, but for meit was really easy to see so
much.
And since that I studiedbreathwork in different schools
with different teachers.
(04:54):
I practiced a lot of breathworkbreathwork in the air,
breathwork in water, differentstyles, different patterns,
different rhythms and I triedmany things.
I also studied to facilitate tomany people people in Asia.
Then I came back to Europe andI studied to facilitate also
breathwork to people, to groups.
I studied to facilitateretreats as well and I saw that
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this was really powerful.
People were transformingthemselves with breathwork and I
heard really many stories frompeople saying I had like a pain
in one of my ribs for 20 yearsand now I don't feel it anymore.
Or I saw people coming withinflammation in the knees and
then after a few sessions ofbreath walking at retreat they
didn't have any inflammation atall and people healing asthma,
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people not needing any moretablets for depression and
things like that.
So it was like a lot offeedback from many people and I
realized that hey, breathwork isa really amazing healing tool
and I need to provide more ofthis.
And I also try different typesof breathwork in the world.
And this is why, after a fewyears of trying breathwork,
(05:57):
different modalities I combinedbreathwork.
I combined also neurolinguisticprogramming, I combined also
science with the hard learned ofthe years, and then it's when I
created the holosomaticbreathwork therapy.
That is my style.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
This is my breathwork style.
That's the breathwork stylethat I tried with you and I must
have been with you.
About four sessions I've donewith you.
Now I'm just intrigued.
I just want to go back tosomething that you said when you
were talking about like yourhistory.
I'm just intrigued.
(06:36):
I just want to go back tosomething that you said when you
were talking about like yourhistory.
One of the things you mentionedwas in the breath work that you
had, you saw yourself in thewomb, or you saw yourself in
your mother's womb, or you sawyourself releasing traumas.
Would one realize that just bybreathing in a certain way and
so powerfully with yourtechnique, how do these things
sort of come up in the body?
How do these things actuallysurface like, rise up for us to
be able to let go of and shed,because people are so used to
(07:01):
have to get saying you know, Ineed to get, get promoted, I
need to go and get this job.
But since COVID a lot of peoplehave really thought hang on a
minute, there's got to beanother way.
My wellness is really, reallyimportant, but I guess my
question really is is how doesthese memories, how, why do they
surface from a scientific pointof view.
Why do these memories surfaceto the top by your specific
(07:24):
breathing technique?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
sometimes people call it a psychedelic breathwork
because the experience issimilar to psychedelics to
mushrooms, truffles, ayahuasca.
Of course it's not the same,because we don't go so deep and
also we can control the processall the time.
It's not like, okay, you takesomething, you're breathing on a
specific pattern and then youjust need to suffer or to
experience something.
So you have always the control.
(07:47):
But sometimes the effects arevery mystical and you can feel a
lot.
The scientific explanation isthat you overcome the ego and
then you can relax.
Also, the breathing patternthat we are doing is through the
belly.
So when we are doing bellybreathing, abdominal breathing,
so we can activate theparasympathetic nervous system
and we can also activate thevagus nerve.
Therefore, we are going torelax a lot so we can activate
the parasympathetic nervoussystem and we can also activate
the vagus nerve.
Therefore, we're going to relaxa lot, so we are going to
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change the brain waves and thenwe will be in a relaxing state
where we can surrender, where wecan access the subconscious
mind and then from there we canrevisit memories from the past.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Do the memories just surface by themselves or do you
have to go and think about it?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
This is coming automatically, because
breathwork is going to give youwhat you need.
For example, some people cometo breathwork and they say, oh,
I want to connect to you, I wantto see memories from the past,
from my childhood.
Some people say I'm moreexoteric and they say, oh, I
want to see my ancestors, I wantto talk to them.
And this is not reallyhappening in a breath box
session, because maybe in thebreath box session, what you
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need to do is to releasephysical pain or trauma from
your body, or maybe you justneed to learn how to surrender,
how to relax, and then there arelike different layers depending
on what you need.
You are going to experience asmuch as you need.
So people with highexpectations and expecting to
have a lot might be not findingwhat they are looking for,
(09:07):
because maybe the body's needingsomething completely different.
There are people, for example,who come exhausted because they
work a lot, they have no time torest, and they come to a
breathwork session and they justfall asleep.
And this is what your body'sneeding.
Your body's not needing toconnect to your ancestors, to
have visions, to see this orthat.
What your body needs to do isto relax.
There are people who come andthey say, oh, I want to heal a
(09:28):
disease.
I want to heal, for example,asthma.
Very often asthma is comingbecause of emotional situations,
emotional issues parents whogot divorced, for example,
situations at home when you werea kid.
And in order to heal asthma,first of all you need maybe to
release trauma.
You need to first asthma.
First of all, you need, maybe,to release trauma.
You need to first forgiveyourself, maybe you need to
forgive your parents.
(09:48):
So there is like a process,there is a journey, and you
cannot always expect that youare going to reach a specific
outcome.
Breathwork is going to alwaysgive you what you need.
In my situation, when I went,when I was in thailand this is,
I was surrendering so much thatI was able to go deep inside.
But I can't imagine if I, if myfirst time doing breathwork
(10:08):
would be, for example, in Spainor in Germany, where I was
living, probably my experiencewill wouldn't be so, so deep.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Okay it's possible to go so deep.
The reason for that is becauseyou're in a completely different
environment.
You're freer, exactly because Inoticed that sometimes when I've
been in other countries I'vedone a retreat, a fasting
retreat in thailand, and Inoticed that the freer you are
and and perhaps the less peopleyou know, the more powerful the
(10:37):
experience can be, because youneed to be in a place where you
can not have to worry or thinkabout anything when you're doing
this type of work.
I'm interested from both thescience and the spiritual
perspective, because I want totalk to the audience, who are
both maybe scientific orspiritual, because you talk
about mystical experiences.
That's more of the spiritualside.
(10:58):
But the scientific side what'sactually happening to the body
biologically when you're doingthis deeper holosomatic therapy
that you've created?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
we're not having hyperventilation.
Some people might say, oh, whatyou're having hyperventilation.
Hyperventilation is like anormally a chronic disease where
you are, um, having an anxiety,panic attacks you feel is, for
example, you feel fears.
People who come to our airplaneand then they start happy
ventilating, they breathe veryfast and they breathe like this
(11:28):
and then they are afraid of theplane, of the flight.
But, um, what is happening hereis we are expelling too much
carbon dioxide.
Okay, we are pushing the carbondioxide and then we suffer the
effects of hyperventilation, butit's not what they have.
What is happening in breathwork?
What is happening in breathworkis that we are bringing a lot
of oxygen inside of the body.
We are superventilating, nothyperventilating,
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superventilating the body.
And then when we are doingabdominal breathing many people
don't know how to do abdominalbreathing this is breathing
through the belly area, so youexpand your belly when you
inhale.
So here we can activate theparasympathetic nervous system.
The parasympathetic nervoussystem, the parasympathetic
nervous system is related to, isthe rest and digest nervous
system is when you are inmeditation, when you are relaxed
(12:11):
, okay, it happens the same withthe brain waves we go into
another state where we cansurrender, where we go into a
meditative state, but we arevery conscious and this state is
called a non-ordinary state ofconsciousness if you go to the
origin of connected conscious,connected breath work, that is
in the 60s, 70s.
One of the founders was stangroff stan love groff, a
(12:33):
psychiatrist, and he named this.
He called this holotropic state.
Holotropic state.
I've tried holotropics.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I've done holototropic breathing.
Is that the same as Wim Hof'stype of breathing pattern?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
It's different.
It's different, wim Hof.
The target is to energize thebody.
They use a concept in medicinethat is called intermittent
hypoxia.
Intermittent hypoxia is whenyou deprive your body, organs,
cells and tissues from oxygenfor a short period of time,
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cells and tissues from oxygenfor a short period of time.
When you do this in acontrolled way, this is really
great for the body because youare going to feel like more,
like stronger, more energized itcan be quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
If you're talking about the holotropic breathing,
I tried this.
I tried wim hof's breathing andI did a good one hour of it and
I think it was the next day.
I did that in the afternoon ona Monday, sunday, and the next
day on a Monday, I woke up and Iwas like, wow, I have to go for
a run.
And I was running in the summerhere in Spain and I ran like
(13:34):
half a marathon in the heat butI was like my body just needs to
move because it was just sofull of energy.
Now I'm used to having a lot ofenergy, but that was like a
very different level of energyand I ran the entire time and it
must have been very hot anddon't recommend it for everybody
.
But fortunately I wasconditioned and I have been
(13:55):
running marathons and so forthbefore.
But I was really fascinated bythe amount of energy that I got
just from that type ofholotropic breathing that you're
mentioning.
But it's very different to thevery different that you have
been doing one thing is that wehope.
Yeah, but it's really nice tobe able to, because a lot of
people are fully aware of wimhof's therapy.
(14:16):
Yeah, it's absolutely brilliant, but I'm just trying to figure
out what the difference betweenwhat you're offering, which is
the holosomatic therapy, versuswim hof.
So people have some sort ofcomparison, because my
experience of when I worked withyou was wow, I feel like I've
had an energetic cleansing,which is different it's
(14:39):
different.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
It's different we have is based on intermittent
hypoxia, so you have less oxygen.
Even we can use like a coximeterto check the oxygen levels, so
it's like a bit easy to checkyour oxygen levels.
You will see that when you holdthe breath it's going down,
down, down, down and this iswhat we reach in we have.
So we want you reduce theamount of oxygen and this is
(14:59):
going to help us to feel moreenergized.
And in the method that we Ifacilitate in holotropic or
holosomatic breathwork, thetarget is different.
The target is to overcome theego, to go to the subconscious
mind and not only to energizethe body but also to visit past
memories, to release trauma fromthe body, to release blockages,
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to feel more.
So it's like, let's say, it'smore.
The target is different andit's like more complex what is
happening.
The sessions are longer and theintensity of the breath is like
deeper than in we have.
We have normally it's like 15minutes, you know, and then it's
like, yes, a preparation ismore for, like more for a
(15:41):
physical layer, let's say, andin whole somatic, we go deeper,
into deeper layers, we visit thesubconscious mind so who so?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
who needs to do this type of breath work?
Who needs to do this type ofbreath work?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
because, yeah, I'm just really fascinated first of
all, someone who is um brave toface traumas, to face the
subconscious mind, to face theirshadows.
Because, uh, if you don't do,if you really don't want to do
their some inner work, if youdon't want to do some
introspection, and then yousuddenly see past memories, that
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people who come for example andthey realize that they were
sexually abused, for examplewhen they were a kid.
They didn't know, but throughbreath work you can know that
this happened in your life.
So if you are brave enough tosay, hey, I'm okay with facing
my, my shadows, whatever isthere, you are really great,
you're going to be doing reallygreat in breath work.
So you can see a lot people whowant to.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It's scary though it sounds like, when you're saying
that at the beginning of thesession we're all lying down,
you're saying, look, somethingmight surface that you're not
ready for, or you didn't realize, or your mind has shut down.
Because our mind has theability to shut down to keep us
protected and to keep us safe sothat we don't have to look at
some of those traumas.
But why is it that we humansare?
(17:05):
Why do we get these traumas?
What, what?
And then why do we have toclean them?
This is kind of strange, right.
I find it quite peculiar.
You know, you're coming as ababy, you're perfect as you are,
you've come straight from thesource, you're're beautiful,
you're innocent, you'reradiating this inner glow and
yet, throughout time, there'straumas.
You collect this trauma.
(17:26):
Why is that?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
You are born, for example, and being born is
traumatic.
For example, their room is verycold or they don't treat you so
well when you're born, and thisis already traumatic.
Or something's going on in yourfamily.
Your family is having financialproblems or your family is not
giving the love that you need,and then this is traumatic.
You are sexually abused.
This is very traumatic.
Even sometimes it's notphysical sexual abuse.
(17:50):
It could be that someone anuncle, is looking at in a
specific way like a sexualdesire, and this is traumatic,
also for the kid as well.
And then your parents aretelling you you should not play
with your toys, you should study, or you should not talk because
you're not an adult, you are akid.
Kids don't talk, or you shouldstop being so playful, so you
(18:10):
should study or work or dosomething different.
And then we receive, we createtraumatic experiences, we have
traumatic experiences and theseare bigger or smaller traumas
and this is conditioning us.
And then maybe in the future wedon't sing because we feel like
we believe it's a limitingbelief.
We believe that we are not goodsingers and this is why we are
(18:30):
not popular and famous singers.
Or we don't draw, or we don'tdo this or that because our
parents.
What we learn is that we cannotdo this or that.
Or, for example, every time Istart a new relationship, I give
up very quickly.
I don't really fight, so I move.
I uh break up with my partneror the same, with a job, the
same.
Or I don't trust myself to havea business, and then I never
(18:52):
have a business because I feellike it's impossible.
I will not be able, because Iknow that.
Yeah, I learned in my childhoodthat I cannot have a successful
business.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
So this therapy cleans all of these types of
people.
Exactly, and that's reallyhelpful.
So if anyone feels that they'rebeing held back, this is the
type of therapy that they reallyneed to have or to consider.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
That's a really big thing, because a lot of people
can be aware that they, thatsomething's holding them back,
but they don't know exactly whatit is.
And it's because of these pasttraumas or these past energies
that you seem to just becarrying around in the
subconscious mind.
Because the child mind whenI've looked into a child, uh,
(19:38):
you know the inner child, whereit's just the child mind just
takes everything straight, justgoes oh, you're not enough,
you're not good enough, oryou're not confident enough, or
you don't have enough, or thereisn't enough, or it might be
something completely different.
You know you need to do more.
You need to do more.
You need to do more so you canfeel loved, when in actual fact
(20:02):
you've already come as love.
And then it kind of getsdrilled out of you through an
experience that maybe you have.
So I'm really fascinated thatthis type of work cleans all of
these types of programs out.
It kind of wipes the computerdrive of your mind.
Clean, right.
How does meditation affectbreath work or vice versa?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
a lot, so it's a really great combination yeah
it's a really great combinationbecause you are going to be able
to surrender more, you aregoing to be able to sometimes
what people, some people come tobreath, work, just to
experience something like more,to get activated and to feel,
feel, feel.
And meditation is, like youknow, shiva and Shakti.
So meditation is Shiva andShakti is the energy, is the
(20:48):
activation of the energy, andyou need to balance both
energies right Masculine,feminine energy, shakti and
Shiva.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
So is the breath work the masculine and the
meditation is the feminine.
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Meditation is the masculine, so meditation is the
feminine.
Is that right?
Meditation is the masculine, soyou are.
When you're meditating, you arelike shiva.
Shiva is consciousness, ismeditations like you are focused
on right and shakti's feelingsare working in the kundalini
energy and feeling a lot andconnecting to the emotions and
feeling the emotions.
So breathwork can be masculineand feminine, can be a balance,
(21:22):
right.
And the problem is sometimespeople get addicted to to
feeling.
So many people go into thosepractices.
They just want to feel, feel,feel, feel.
But they don't do meditationand this is the problem because
they don't do meditation, theyget addicted to feel and, uh,
it's an unbalanced person.
Okay.
So meditation can be a reallygreat combination with breath
(21:46):
work or with any Shaktipractices, with any practices
where you are working with yourenergy because you have the
power.
Very often I see in breath worksessions that people have
worked with their, with theKundalini energy, and they are.
They come to breath work andthey start moving the energy and
they're not able to controlthis.
They're like out of control,and this is because they are not
(22:08):
meditating.
So meditation is really, reallyneeded in the world.
I understand that many peopledon't like meditation because
it's not so, you know, you cometo breath work.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
There's music, one of the hardest things to do is to
sit still.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, it's really hard.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I no, you can't breath.
Book this music.
Things to do is to sit still.
Yeah, it's really hard, is I?
I consider it the mostrebellious act you can do.
It's so rebellious because, ina world of action and where
everything's moving, sit stillis the most you know hardest
thing to do.
How many sessions does one needto do in order to kind of get
into this freer state of mind,freer state of thinking?
Because there's some people outthere who don't do any of this
type of work yet still do reallywell, but so it's going to be.
(22:49):
Yeah, so what was happeningthere?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
yeah, it's going to be up to the person how much
work they have done in the past.
Sometimes, for example, fivesessions could be already very
powerful and they can feel a lotalready and they can get very
important insights.
Some people are going to needeven more because they don't
know, for example, how tosurrender.
They have an inner dialogue inbreathwork all the time that I
should do this techniqueperfectly, or I should relax or
(23:14):
not doing this.
So it's an inner dialogue.
I want to be the best, I wantto have the best experiences.
It's also the ego, and then it'sgoing to be very hard for them
to see stuff from the past.
So, even if you don't see thestuff from the past, this inner
dialogue is also very importantfor your introspection because
you're learning about yourself.
You're learning that, hey, Iwant to be always perfect.
That could be also a problem,could be also something coming
(23:37):
from a trauma from yourchildhood that you you had to
prove that you're perfect toyour parents to receive love,
for example yeah, right so sothat's the proving thing.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And then you go and try and prove that in the
external world, the 3d world.
Let me prove that I'm a success, so I will be loved and
accepted and acknowledged andvalidated by the people I look
up to, such as my parents, myfather or my mother, or so then
I'll be loved.
So you work yourself crazy totry and get that thing when, if
(24:09):
you did this inner work and youhad a look at yourself, a bit
like what you were doing whenyou were working in Germany,
you're working so hard to beable to go.
I'm proving myself externally,yet I'm killing myself yeah
totally yes.
So this is, this is reallyfascinating.
So I guess my next question iscould you show us like a one
(24:33):
minute sort of thing, what typeof breathing pattern that
someone could do if they werelistening on this podcast and
just go look, this is just alittle taster of something that
you could do, that we could alldo together, um, wherever you
are, you know, even if thisepisode is like in a year or two
time just one minute orsomething like that where we
could just go I'm getting anexperience from alexis, who's
(24:56):
been doing this for such a longtime and really has helped
himself and thousands of otherpeople.
Could you show us a little?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
yeah, I'm going to show you one simple technique.
It's very easy, it can be donein just one minute, can be done
by everyone, at any time.
You can do it, for example,waiting in the supermarket line.
You can do it, for example,before a call, before a business
meeting, at any time.
It's very simple.
You're going to breathe throughthe nose in a connected way, so
there are no pauses betweeninhalation and exhalation,
(25:25):
exhalation and inhalation thisexercise is called 20 connected
breaths.
So in total we do 20 breaths,we do four rounds, and in each
round we do four short breaths,one long breath.
So I'm going to show you oneround only.
So we do this four times.
(25:48):
In total it will be 20 rounds20 breaths In, out, in, out, in,
out, in, out, long, in, long,out, and then we go directly to
the next round.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
And we're doing that four times yes, exactly.
Okay, let's go.
Then Should we do it?
Yeah, let's go out.
And then we go directly to thenext round and we're doing that
four times yes, exactly, okay,let's go.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Then should we do it yeah, let's go, yeah, control
sitting position and let's closethe eyes here and then let's
start and slowly coming backwhen you're ready, and then, if
(26:45):
you would like to do it longer,you could even do eight rounds
or even 12 rounds.
I don't recommend to do morethan 12 rounds because because
it might be too much and thenyou start saying stuff.
You know those memories and youhave access.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
So I just really interesting, because I'm just
trying to have a littleintrospection as we're having
this conversation and I can justfeel like my body has warmed up
.
Number one.
Number two I can feel my heartis beating a little quicker,
obviously.
And number three.
Another thing is I can feel asensation in my hands here yeah
(27:18):
like a nice tingling sensation.
Uh, what else?
Yeah, I feel my head is evenclearer than before.
Interesting okay, yes and thatwas a great exercise and very
powerful exercise.
Okay, brilliant.
Thank you so much for sharingthat.
Okay, so I I hope you guys athome have tried this.
(27:38):
Whoever's listening, and I and Ihope you've, like, listened to
what alexis has been saying,because this, this stuff is
really powerful.
I want to tell you, theaudience, just as a reminder,
I've been meditating every dayfor 20 years and meditation is a
kind of inner cleansing.
It helps you reset and becomebuoyant again to your natural
(27:59):
state of energy, which is why westart the show saying let me
help you tune in, tap into yournatural state of energy, uh, and
your natural high.
But also, when I found, uh,alexis, and we started doing
this breath work, it's beautifulbecause it felt like that there
was a different layer ofcleansing and, whilst I haven't
seen anything visually thatalexis was talking about, I have
(28:23):
felt something beautifullycoming over me, like sometimes
tears of gratitude, sometimesfeeling this playful aspect of
myself come out and sometimesjust absolute tingling all over
the body.
And it definitely feels verydifferent from a meditation
practice that I do, which isjust allowing the thoughts to
(28:43):
just pass and come back to thepresent moment time and time
again.
But, yeah, the breath work,particularly your style, the
holosomatic therapy that you dowith the music and, by the way,
I think that's probably thereason why I really appreciate
your type of work, because themusic allows you to follow the
system so much more easily thanjust someone saying breathe in,
(29:04):
breathe out.
And so I really liked the waythat your holosomatic therapies
seems for me a lot more easilyguided for me to get to those
really deeper states where Istart to feel this release again
and again.
So I'm just, I'm just curioushow did you sort of come about
that part or the music aspect ofit?
(29:24):
It just seems so natural thatwhy wouldn't you add music to it
?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
yeah, this work is like the results of working with
different breathwork facilityto try and many different styles
, studying different schools,trying a lot of breathwork with
myself.
I have done hundreds ofsessions for myself, so I have
tried many things.
I have got a lot of feedback.
So now, when you're seeing thesessions, is something that is
very, very refined after manyyears of work and using the
(29:52):
right music to evoke the rightemotions, using the right words
as well to access the differentparts of your subconscious mind.
So it has been taken reallytook really long to come up with
this method and and it works.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
It works because that music that you you use is
really does make you feel goodand it makes you feel connected.
And and for me, because I lovemusic I'm a big music fan, I
make music it really just strucka chord with me, particularly
your style, which is differentfrom some of the other
breathwork that I've come across.
(30:28):
But, alexis, I just wanted toask you how could people get in
contact with you, where I knowyou're doing retreats?
Where are you doing retreats?
Uh, you know you've got a verybusy schedule and you're very
sought after, uh, and you'reparticularly well connected in
the breathwork community andwellness community and you've
had so many accolades.
Where can people find you andcome and do your retreats?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
they can find me on innercampcom, also on instagram,
innercamp is our account, andthen we have virtual workshops.
They can try this in a virtual,with a virtual setting.
They can also join us in ourretreats or, if they want to
become a breathwork facilitator,we have also the option to you
yeah, to you to study how tofacilitate this kind of method I
(31:15):
wanted to ask you what's thedifference between coming to an
in-person retreat versus doing avirtual retreat?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
because are the effects the same?
Are they different?
You know, are people you know?
If you're starting to releasethings, is it okay to be at home
when you're doing that, or isit better to be in an
environment?
You know, these are the type ofquestions I'm sure people have.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, the virtual workshops are really great for
people who's I know, for example, here in Spain, and they are
not, uh, in Europe.
We get people from Latin America, from Australia, from different
continents, and it's hard forthem to to join us in person.
I would say that the virtualevents are 80% the effects are
around 80% of what you can feelin person, because in person we
(31:59):
can do body work.
Yeah, person, because in personwe can do body work, yeah, yeah
, it still is very powerful andimportant also, if you came to a
virtual workshop and you dobreath work with anyone in a
virtual setting, is that youneed to be responsible for
yourself.
There's no one there next toyou supporting you, because
sometimes we might face some bigtraumas and then no one is
going to be there supporting youand you need to consider days.
(32:21):
So you need to ask yourself aquestion, the question of am I
responsible for myself?
Am I going to be okay?
Can I manage the situationproperly?
Or, if you are coming with PTSD, with big traumas, with anxiety
, et cetera, this might be notthe right setup for you.
It might be better to go to anin-person session or event.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Amazing, wow, alexis.
It be better to go to anin-person session or event.
Amazing, wow, alexis.
It's been so insightfulspeaking to you today.
Thank you for sharing your giftand your knowledge and the
holosomatic therapy.
We haven't had a chance reallyto touch on the tantra or the
body work, but we'll do that onanother show, I think, because
that's another massive part ofwhat you do.
(33:02):
But thank you so much for beingon the show today and sharing
your knowledge and your wisdom,but also for sharing your light
and your challenge and beingable to go.
Look, I've moved through it andI'm helping literally thousands
of people all over the world.
So thank you so much for beingthis week's super soul model.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Thank you so thank you so much for being this
week's super soul model.
Thank you, james.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Thank you for yeah for your invitation, thanks for
tuning into this episode and ifyou've enjoyed this or any of
the others, please remember youcan support the show, and your
contributions do allow us tokeep bringing you the best
guests.
In the meantime, till the nextepisode, I wish you green lights
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