February 1, 2024 • 41 mins
Have you ever felt trapped by fear, unable to step into the life you know you're meant to live? In this episode my returning guest is Tracy L. Clark
"“Faith and fear both demand you believe in something you cannot see. You choose.”
— Bob Proctor
Tracy shares her wisdom on transcending fear and entering a paradigm of faith and intuition. Together, we peel back the layers of life's crumbling structures, challenging you to awaken to the flow of your inner guidance. This episode is a beacon for those ready to manifest joy, health, and prosperity by trusting the whispers of divine guidance and the strength of their convictions.
Embark on a transformative quest where personal growth is forged through the fires of discomfort and daring. As Tracy and I dissect the struggles and triumphs of releasing conditioned expectations, you'll discover the power of your intuition and divine connection. The stories shared in this conversation will inspire you as they illuminate the path from uncertainty to a life aligned with one's true self. From the importance of personal rituals to the art of conversation with spirit, this episode is an invitation to trust that your heart knows the way, even amidst resistance.
Closing the journey, we emphasize the brilliance of maintaining faith in adversity, a luminary guide to witnessing personal miracles. I reflect on Tracy's profound insights, encouraging you to embrace the miraculous support of the universe in your own life. Let this episode remind you to practice gratitude, nurture conviction, and stay true to your inner divine essence, ensuring that the flame of faith burns ever bright in your pursuit of an uplifted and fulfilling existence.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this episode, I'm speaking to Tracy L Clarke.
This is the second time Tracy'sbeen on the show and, just as a
reminder, she's an intuitive,she's a coach, she's a speaker
and she's the author of threebooks, and in this episode we
are talking about the journeyfrom fear to faith.
Welcome to the Genghis Grantsfrom Polkars, supercell and
(00:26):
Mortal Series, where I'minterviewing Tracy Clarke this
week.
Tracy is a phenomenal humanbeing and is incredibly
intuitive, incredibly insightful.
She's been on the show beforeand she's absolutely amazing,
and we've just been having achat about structure versus
intuition and about how life andthe world has often had decent
(00:49):
structures that are nowcrumbling, and Tracy is coming
from a viewpoint where we needto sort of flow flow through
structures that are oldparadigms, that are breaking
down, and the reason why theybreak down is because there's
quite a great deal of rigidityand inflexibility and if we want
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to evolve, as human beingsevolve, into great happiness,
health, wellness and prosperity,it means that we can't stick
with the old programs that areold paradigms or old programs
that no longer work in thismodern world.
We need to adapt, we need toadjust, which means that we need
to learn how to flow.
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We need to learn how to trustour intuition.
So, tracy, talking aboutintuition, talking about this
intuition versus rigidity, andthese old paradigms just remind
us what you mean by that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
If you look at the world like a round world,
everybody's inside and there'sasleep.
They're maybe ignorant, becauseit keeps you asleep Fear keeps
you asleep and it keeps youignorant and it keeps you rigid.
But if you can picture theround circle and everybody's in
that circle on Earth and justfor yourself, and then picture
yourself, you've now woken up.
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So now you're awake, you'requestioning, you're questioning
the narrative.
Now you're outside of thecircle.
Well, when you're outside ofthe circle, you're connected to
the vastness of that, whateverthe God of your understanding is
the universal energy, whateveryou want to call it.
Well, now that's huge, becausenow you're starting to learn.
Wait a minute, what structuresdon't work for me?
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Which structures do I need tochange?
And you start questioning thestructures.
Then your name called right,your name called like a
conspiracy theorist, or yourname called a crazy person, or
that doesn't work because thatenergy is trying to get you back
in the circle versus.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So basically, fear is back in the circle, and it's
when we use to step out thecircle by thinking freely and
being, yeah, and being free,free thinking in faith and well.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Trusting in yourself, like that's out there, because
now you got to trust in yourintuition.
You got to trust in yourselfbecause the narrative in the
schooling that you had is gone.
Now, right, You're out here andyou're like what doesn't work
for my life?
I didn't create the money Iwanted, I didn't create the
relationship I wanted, and Ihave anxiety or all these
feelings that come up.
So you get that awareness whenyou step out of the box.
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But now you're sitting there,so now you have a bigger
perception that's coming in,about what is really unfolding
inside that circle.
And that's a scary place for alot of people to be, because
they're like, well, where do Igo next?
What do I do next?
Because it's not in thestructure that we're taught.
That's where your intuitionstarts to kick in.
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Go here, meet with these people, start to learn, take what
resonates with you.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So how do you wake up from being in the circle, that
circle of what you were callingfear versus faith?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Faith.
I call it faith because it'slike when you're in faith, you
have to trust no belief inyourself.
You got to trust no belief inyour connection and you and I
know that when you're trustingand believing you're going like
this, you're blind.
It's like being in a dark room.
It's a feeling, you know, likeI did a podcast recently and
somebody said I can never.
I can tell I can never take youoff your path.
(04:20):
Because you know, like you'reso clear and I said because the
miracles that were done in mylife, no one can waiver that
from me, like no one can takethat away because I lived it in
Iced.
People can say what they want.
You will never change my mindwith connection to spirit
because you cannot explain thethings that unfold in my life.
So that is when you're overhere you get to the conviction.
(04:43):
But when you're also over there, how do you get there?
The same way you got there, thesame way I got there was like
wait a minute, what's that?
You just feel it's a feeling ofI've tried a lot of this stuff
and I know my life isn't goingin the direction I want and you
do naturally start questioning.
For me it was healthcare system, other people, it's banking
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system, other people, it'srelationships.
There's something that hits thebottom that you go enough, this
is not working, and it's afeeling and you start
questioning everything and youstart looking and we've been
there.
And when you start questioning,that's how you get out of the
box.
But when you're on the otherside, a lot of times what
happens is here.
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They try to pull you back.
Friends, family, people likedon't go over there, no, no, no,
no, no, because they don'tunderstand it and they need you
back in the fear camp tovalidate their fear.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Okay.
So most people, without themrealizing, have a lot of fear
and they don't even know itbecause they're just in the
circle.
So, a bit like the Truman show,you don't know that there's a
world outside the Truman show.
There's something I just wantedto share with you that I really
like about some people thatjust like remind me of this
truth, like simple people thatpeople know of right, and then
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you've got to sort of draw itback into your own experience,
like I watched a littleinterview with Arnold
Schwarzenegger the other day.
He goes what the someone askedhim I think it was Jay Shetty, I
can't remember but Jay askedhim.
He goes what is the best adviceyou've ever been given or you
could ever give?
He goes believe in yourself,which means you're stepping
outside the circle.
He goes what's the worst adviceyou've ever been given?
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Because you can't do that.
And I was like, wow, okay,that's a different perspective.
But there's a guy who's gonethrough three different careers
in his lifetime and you know hewas the always considered you
can't do that.
And so when I look in my ownexperience the questioning of
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stepping out the fear not to saythat I don't get anxiety or I
don't get fear.
I don't feel different emotionsbecause that's not true.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
We all do yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
But what I do want to say is I remember waking up
when I asked there's got to besomething else going on here
because this just does not makeany sense anymore.
After a car crash and thenafter, you know, going out
drinking too much, I was likethis can't be the only way to
live.
There has to be another way.
And if there is, I got to know.
And then the then you start towake up and new material comes
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into you.
Expensive with you is withhealthcare, or in a business or
in a corporate company.
You know that just does notmake sense, that this is the
only way.
There has to be a way that ismore in flow with who you are.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, because when we're born, if you look, we're
conditioned every step of theway like you go to school, you
get a job, you pay your taxes,you pay your bills, like that's
a conditioning, and then yourfamily paradigm, so yeah, and
we're all you're going to.
Also, like, people have tounderstand, you know this, when
we do something new, there'salso fear behind that, because
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the universe doesn't know thedifference of our emotions.
It's a vibration, right, so itcan also read fear, the universe
as excitement.
It can read it as the same way.
So we feel fear, but it's also.
We have to reverse it.
It's probably excitement thatyou know you're venturing on
something different.
You don't know if it's going towork out.
It's like a dark room, like wesaid, where you're just feeling
your way around, but you know,so you keep going.
(08:08):
And sometimes people do confusefear with excitement on a new
path, because it's just theunknown.
If we were taught to becomfortable with the unknown,
watch what would happen, likethat world would open up.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, I mean this comfortable thing is really
interesting because I've beengoing through a period of being
really uncomfortable, with a lotof new going on in my life.
But my heart says you must goor you want to go this way,
because the idea of comfort ormy old life does just not excite
me at all.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
No, but see, there's a difference when I say comfort.
So I'll use this with comfortand trigger, because I said this
so many other days I said,comfortable is comfortable in
your spirit.
Like you said, it's notnecessarily comfortable moving
through it.
It's, like you just said, withyour heart, you know but, going
through.
It is uncomfortable because wehave to get uncomfortable to get
to a new level.
It's like when people are 100%.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I just want to say that again because that is huge.
Yeah, you have to beuncomfortable to get to a new
level.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So if you are and this is like relationships, we
say this, people inrelationships if you meet a new
partner and it's like reallycomfortable, like I mean like
your whole, everything, chancesthat you didn't elevate, they're
very similar to whatever youhad before.
If you meet a new person andthat you apply this to your
whole life and you're like whatis that?
What's going on here?
(09:29):
Right, you're uncomfortable,but you know, you know you've
leveled up and now you're in adifferent energy.
So we have to get uncomfortable, be comfortable again, and then
we'll elevate again, but it'sin the heart, you know, you just
know.
So there's two vibrations goingon.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, this is really important, actually, because
your heart knows, but youremotions may say something else.
So your heart knows that thisis right, but it doesn't stop
you feeling anxious, frustrated,unsure maybe a bit of doubt,
but in your heart you're like Iknow this is right.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
And that's the faith right, Because you're following
with the heart, saying not theemotions of the body, but the
body has to go through theemotions so it can elevate up
into the new energy, Becausewhen the body goes through the
emotions it's letting go of theold energy to bring you into the
new energy.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So we're really trying to go back into the heart
again and again and again,because when I've ever looked
through some of the changes I'vehad to go through or anybody
listening right when you look atyour changes that you go
through and I know this was thecase for you because you had,
like, so many things happeningin your younger years, your
formative years so when thatchange happens, it's
uncomfortable and you're like,okay, here we go again.
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Then you go again.
You're like okay, and again.
But you always look back withpride or you look back with, you
know, a sense of like wow, Imanaged to move through that
even though it's superchallenging.
You feel stronger, you feelmore invigorated, you feel like
you've got more power in yourpocket.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But you also.
For me, it anchored in myconnection with my version of
faith, which I would say istrust, no belief, because I
realized when I look back Icouldn't explain how that
happened or how I came throughit.
It just happened.
So then that anchored in thatthere was a bigger presence than
me, guiding me, and the more Ileaned into that, the more my
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intuition came on stronger, moreI was able to manifest, and
this is what people have tolisten to.
But that's the greatestrelationship that we are not
taught more.
Little is what not notreligiously, not any of that.
What is your sacred connectionto the divine?
Or sacred connection isdifferent than mine, but it's
all beautiful.
They can look similar, but it'sunique to each and every one of
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us.
So how do we?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
how does Tracy get in touch with that feeling of
trusting in the divine?
Again and again and again,especially when you're being
pulled into an uncomfortableplace Because, whether you know,
you might be transitioningthrough a relationship or
elevating that relationship.
You know you're thinking aboutyour work and you're wanting to
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change your work and you feellike you're being called to
something else, you know, oryour health, in one way or
another.
How does?
How does Tracy?
Where did she begin thatrelationship?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You know when I started in the early days and
people probably laugh.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I had some very stern words at times, with spirit
like yelling, you normally geton your knees, or you swear or
you're like look, you knowthey're true, but it became a
constant conversation, which isstill is today.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Is it so?
There's two parts that now, ifanyone can just take it, it's
easy, but it's a, it's adialogue, it's.
Show me the sign of this, showme the truth about this.
I need clarification on this.
But you're asking spirit andyou're actually becoming aware
to look for them.
You can't just say it and like,okay, I'm going to go to work
and forget it.
You have to become conscious,to be aware and go oh my gosh, I
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asked for this and somebodybrought me this information.
Okay, I'm going to ask for alittle bit more clarification.
But the other space where I sayto people is it's very important
, however, they need to do it.
I go into what I callweightlessness now, and that's
what usually I teach is go outof the heart and exercise to go
into the head.
So the body becomes veryweightless, you feel very free
and people do it in differentways of meditation.
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Whatever they do, I like to doit instantly.
I'm kind of one of those peoplethat just like, okay, let's
just go.
So you train the body to do itand then.
But when you're in theweightless space, there's a
different communion that happensand a conversation with your
spirit space, and that energybrings clarity and that energy
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allows you to also get answersquicker so you can move through
something faster.
So when I started havingconversations and say I need, I
need the truth on this and I seethe truth on this, and then I
started changing my words.
So in the end, the beginningwas I need to see the truth in
this and now it's.
I know the truth around thisand I know that it's here now
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and I know how to act upon it bysaying that it's like no right.
We brought in the presence.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Let me write this down because this is important.
So you're just switching yourwords around.
You're switching your wordsaround about saying, instead of
I want to know the truth or Iknow the truth.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
So I'll ask it and like show me the truth.
But then and then, when I gointo weightlessness, I'm like
when I go into my space, I'mlike I know the truth around
this, this, this, I, maybesomebody's creating some money.
It's like they could be like I,I love created, understand that
I have this in my space andthat this happened Like.
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You know how you you talk itout loud.
You know people say I want or Ineed, like all of that kibosh
is that you and I know that.
But if you're talking to spiritlike you're living it, but I
mean like talking it, not justthink it.
Like if you're going through ameditation or clearing, start
talking it, even if you're outin your world.
It's like you know, I had a ladywho said she wanted to get
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married and but she didn't havea partner.
So what I said to her is likewhat are you?
But it's like, wow, I had thebest wedding ever and thank you
spirit.
That I know, I understand and Ilove that.
I had the most incrediblewedding that I couldn't even
imagine before.
But it was beautiful and shewent into this whole thing and
she ended up meeting the personshe wanted and she ended up
getting married with that space,as she ended up bringing in.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Right.
So you know, for peoplelistening, you've got to say as
if it's already done, simple asif it's already done with
conviction, but if you don'thave that conviction yet.
How do you get to that position?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It's a keep.
It's like building a muscle.
It's keep trusting and it'skeep asking and it's keep moving
through.
So you ask, you tell what youneed, but then you go into your
conviction mode and that's, it'sa it's.
You're not going to get a sixpack one time.
It's not going to happen.
So it's training the muscle,it's training the energy and how
you communicate and you willchange some of those words, but
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then it's a feeling right.
That's why I say, if you gointo weightlessness or
meditation and you're repeatingthese things that are there,
what happens is a body lift upsand it's like there's this whole
beam of energy that just goesout like this and it's so
freeing and it's that point ofweightlessness where you feel it
in the body that the heart andconnect into what you're asking
to bring in as well.
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So it's like a core that getsstronger because now you're
removed, you're very neutral andyou're free.
So the reason I sayweightlessness is people can
feel what that feels like.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Because in weightlessness there's zero
resistance.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I remember being on the beach in Hawaii one
afternoon and I just dreamtsomething up and happened that
evening, like instantly, and Ifelt completely, as you said,
weightless and I actually felt.
Whilst on the beach, I saidsomething happened there.
Something happened there and ithappened that evening and I met
somebody that evening and I waslike oh my God, and I was like
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wow, and this was like quite afew years ago and it was one of
the first times when I actuallyfelt like there's nothing
happening in my body.
Now we're all capable of doingthis, but you've got to put
yourself in the position, asTracy is saying, where you're
like totally relaxed, totallyweightless.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And you've got to be able to take time to do it.
Like a lot of times when we'rewanting to evolve or create,
people do want it now.
We can have now, but thenthere's distractions that we
will all allow our body to gointo right and so we allow our
daily life to become thedistraction.
And I do this morning and night.
There's not a day that I don'tdo it before I get out of bed
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and when I go to bed and then Ihave conversations Like if
you're in my house and they hadhidden gatherings, they'd be
like oh, that lady talks all daylong what her animals to
herself.
Like what's happening?
Because I'm in my home and I'mjust having conversations with
spirit nonstop.
If you're in your car, haveconversations with spirit.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
So what's a normal conversation that you might have
with spirit?
That might just start peoplehaving conversations with their
spirit.
Right, because we're aspects ofthe divine, we're aspects of
the same thing.
We're only a small portion ofthat beautiful big light.
We might as well use thatbeautiful, bigger version of
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ourself that can see from aneagle-eye perspective more than
what we can see with our ownphysical eyes, and tune and tap
into that.
And what I love is that I havemy way of doing it.
You have your way of doing it,but I would like to know your
way of doing it in a fun waythat might inspire someone to go
look, I'm going to start havingconversations.
Even though I might not be ableto see it, I might be able to,
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as Tracy said, feel it.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah Well, even if you're walking around your house
and you're like I love myhealthy, strong body and I
understand how I've been able tocreate it, and then you might
say you know what spirit, I'm alittle pissed off because I
haven't got the informationright now.
I don't feel I've connectedright now, like maybe you're
having that kind of conversationand then you're coming back.
Sometimes it's like so there'ssomething I'm going to say here
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and maybe this will help peopleto understand.
There's an old teaching andmost people don't understand it.
It's through the religious lineand people will always hear.
They hear this teaching aboutit's follow me, follow me,
follow me.
And I was teaching this recentlybecause when people hear follow
me, right away their brain goesto oh, you're following a
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prophet, or you're following aguru, or you're following a
person, or you're followingJesus or you're following right,
cause it's all religious kindof way with.
That's not what it meant Followme.
When you hear that is, followthe divine God of your
understanding energy, universalenergy, that's inside of you
already.
So when you hear that, followme, it's like follow me, like
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inside you, to open up more.
So sometimes I say to people ifyou're confused or you're
feeling like, is this present?
Because the presence is alreadyinside of you, you can say okay
, follow me, follow me, right,I'm following my higher self,
I'm following my connection, I'mfollowing me, which will change
the perception.
So when you're walking aroundor you're home or you're in your
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car, you might be saying youknow what spirit I'm following
you, which is yourself, right.
So please open that road andplease move this and please
leave this out of my space.
Please move the traffic, pleaseallow this drive to be easy.
Oh right, you can start there,because that's going to shift
the brain.
The next one is the drive iseasy.
Leave, go.
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Everything's open.
Thank you, spirit.
And so you're having aconversation.
That's very direct.
The reason I say some peoplewill go to the other ones like,
please do this, like we neverreally want to ask because it's
already done.
But it has to shift the brain.
Sometimes people can't go rightinto.
Oh, there's a dark energy inthere.
Just leave, get out, just go.
They're not that convicted.
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So it breaks another barrier.
So if you're the person that'slike you're still a people
pleaser or you're not sure youmight use that language, that's
okay at first, don't beatyourself up.
Then it's like yeah, drive iseasy, I'm opening this up, this
we're going to move.
So a lot of times when I'm in,I'm like okay, spirit, we're
going to move this, we have toalign this or changing this, we
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need to do this, and you know.
Whatever the situation is, youknow, and then I it's like
giving little orders.
You know your orders, and thenwhen you're coming back, you're
like okay, yeah, I make thisevery month.
I have this in my life, I lovethis.
This is what's coming next.
So, whatever your dreams are,that's where you would then
bring it back into reality.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So the conviction is basically for sure, like working
a muscle yeah, 100%.
So there's a couple of thingsthat I really resonate with what
you're saying.
Number one I call it, like youknow, as part of the hero's
journey or the heroine's journeyof yourself.
Follow me means the highestversion of you that you're, you
know, it's your future self andyour present self, like
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combining right.
And that is the part of youthat you are really seeking more
than anything else the bestversion of yourself, which might
always be a few steps away, butyou're catching up with it the
whole time.
And that is the person you seek.
It's not somebody else, it'snot a guru, it's not.
It's not.
That is you.
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And then the second part, whichreally, you know, touches me
because it's part of my message,is the mind, body and soul's
wellness.
If you don't, if you miss oneof those three of that, try out
a well being.
You've missed it, you know,because I got my body in amazing
shape but my mind was all overthe place and then I was like,
okay, so it was only bymeditation that my mind began to
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become a bit clearer and Icould hear spirit.
And then I was like, oh mygolly, right now I've got all
three.
This is keeping me well and I'mlike now I talk to God, as you
do, or the universe all the time, but I do it in a way which is
similar to you.
But you know like I have tofeel, like I am speaking with
sincerity, like I care, and thatsincerity allows me to tap into
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the heart.
Now, that wasn't something thatI felt like I used to do growing
up, but it was something that Ibecame as I was humbled by life
, by making bad choices.
I felt like you know what Ithink?
I need to be kind to myself andI need to, you know, speak to
that creator within me or that'saround me in a way that I'd
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like to be spoken to.
So I started saying things withsincerity and I remember, never
forget, a story that I read ina little book called A Deep
Breath of Life, which Iunderstand you just got that
book as well, which I reallylove, and it's about this, one
of the stories on one of thedaily quotations or prayers or
whatever.
It's about this little kid andthe little kid saying dear God,
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please help me say my ABCs,because I'm finding it really
tough versus somebody who said,oh, I need this, this and this.
But the sincerity of the littlekid is answer was given really,
really quickly, meaning he wasgiven like the extra nudge
because that was coming from aplace of sincerity.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And I noticed humility and humility, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
And when you start to get a bit cocky, you know you
can get, you can get slappedright.
And so if you ever noticed thatyou're coming from there, you
might be coming from a littlebit of ego and you might be
coming from a place of a lack ofhumility and you might have to
be humbled a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
And there's a strength and a conviction on how
you can say your words tocommand what you desire for your
space.
Yeah, but you know, I want toshare this.
They're showing this.
When you said this withhumility, I had this dream I've
never forgotten about.
It's probably about eight yearsago and I was waiting to go
speak on this stage.
In the dream, there's a littleman beside me and there was all
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these people that were on thisstage and they were like I was
irritated.
I'm like how are peoplelistening?
Like there was such a bigpresence of just like you said,
like ego, like we know when wesee different things.
It was just like, and I wasgetting irritated.
He said just don't worry aboutthem.
Don't worry about them, becauseI'm like these people aren't
(25:36):
going to want to hear what Ihave to say, because it was kind
of like a similar thing thatwe're talking about right now
and I said they want to know why.
He's like just you're here,your turn go.
So then I went, they went off,yeah, and I look, and it's like
one of those big stadiums thatgoes up like this.
So there's thousands of peopleand at the top there were four
balls of fire that were comingdown to the stage.
(25:57):
And you know, on a stagethere's a, you have the stairs
that go up and down right oneach side to go down the stage.
The little old man.
So all these people, they stoodup and they were like in panic
and I knew a lot of them thatwere in there.
The little man grabs me and wego flying down the stairs and he
goes on top of me and all of asudden and you could smell the
(26:19):
burning like in the room, likeit was crazy.
And I get up Everybody's chartLike I'm like freaking out right
and I look at him.
I'm like what happened?
He said look to me and he saysalways stay humble and he'll
never get burned.
Nice, it's kind of that oldsaying what goes around comes
(26:41):
around.
You will get burned at somepoint just like you're saying
right, you will get burned.
So to stay in that grace, tostay in that, use your powers.
It's no different than I say topeople if you go back and the
reason I use this is becauseit's just to teaching people now
is, if you look at how thestories of when the Christ
walked the planet, he didn'ttake credit for what was
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happening and there was ahumility and there was a
non-judgment and there was anon-division that was going on.
So you can see how it's allbeen manipulated through the
years.
So it's not about people, don'tgo into, I'm just as a
teachable moment.
It's like that's the humilityand the kindness that we all
hold superpowers within us andwhen we have them that you can
(27:25):
never there's always givinggrace and thanks to the
universal energies workingthrough you and to stay humble
within it and to alwaysunderstand.
It's that humility that's goingto continue to grow your
supernatural powers and strength, because it's not you and me
doing it or the vessel.
It's the energy that's comingthrough, that we're allowing to
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come through, to create thosemiracles in people's lives.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
That people are going to know 100%, 100%.
And, like you know, like, eventhough I feel like in my case,
I've been blessed with so manywonderful things, I was like,
look, you know, I'm just thevessel, like I'm a messenger
like it's not.
Okay, there's a part of me doingit, but it you know I can't
take personal credit going.
Look at me how wonderful I am,because that's not what this is
(28:11):
all about.
You know, like I've beenthrough enough.
You know challenge to go thatway doesn't work, this way does.
And then, when you do, you werehumbled.
And then the energy flows andyou're like okay, this is, this
is what kind of going with theflow is, even though it may not
make logical sense, which iswhere we began our conversation
(28:31):
today.
Doesn't make any logical sensewhy I'm doing this or why I've
moved country and why I'mstaying here and why I've
changed my work.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And that's the key to being outside that circle.
It's not going to make anysense.
That's that knowing right.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
But what, as human beings, we want?
Sense right.
We want it to be sent.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Program for that.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
We've been programmed , okay.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
We've been programmed to follow a pattern.
You do this, you get that, youdo this, you get that.
But really, when you startworking with the universal
energies within you and the Godwithin you, it's not going to
make a lot of sense.
That's why you go to theknowing and you just got to
follow the knowing.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Now I've seen, I've seen this in documentaries, I've
read about this, but whenyou're experiencing it it's a
very different thing.
Right, and you hear it beingmade no sense, but I went and
did it anyway, and it's a bitlike saying I don't know why I
went there, but I went there andit just felt right.
And then I met somebody or Igot a ticket into that concert
or something like that.
(29:35):
You know the amount of timesthings like that have happened
to me growing up was amazing.
I was like I don't know why, Ijust listened, but I just did
that and it was illogical.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Because the universe works that way, right.
And the universe works in anon-linear Exactly, and it puts
pieces together when you'reready.
There's another piece of thepuzzle, but we're so trained to
be structured and that was doneon purpose.
So when we wake up and we'reoutside, we now are learning how
to run with flowing versusstructure.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
But you know there's certain things.
Like you know, structure for meis important in my life.
You know I have rituals, I havethings that I do that give me
structure.
But it's the bit that allowsthe bits to flow in between,
like the thread that goesthrough the needle, through the
structures of saying these aretrue.
So I'll correct that.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Because you're right Okay, I'll correct that, so
it'll make it clear becauseyou're right.
So we have our structure interms of how we communicate, how
we need to have our meditation,like how that makes us, but
that's a different structure.
We're creating that ourselvesto have communication.
The structure I'm talking aboutis a structure we grow up in is
like you're going to go, you'regoing to, you know, get a job,
you go to school, you learn.
(30:45):
This way you don't go outsideof the box.
There's a fear structure thatwe're born into.
Then there's a faith structure,what you're talking about.
That we move into when we breakthe fear structure and then you
create your own.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
So when we break the patterns of the fear structure,
we move into the faith structure.
So then we would likedisciplines that lead you to
freedom.
So structure, but one has anenergy of fear, perhaps, and the
other one has an energy offaith.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, because you're now doing things you know that
resonate for you, that work foryou.
You're doing meditation inschool, do they?
They don't teach you how toconnect to the divine within.
They don't teach you to haveboundaries and be empowered and
create and dream that you can domiracles and you can be all
that you want to be.
That's not taught in schoolbecause that's a fear structure.
(31:32):
So you put a new structure inthat works for James, which is a
faith structure, which is our,your, your rituals, your
routines, your walks, like I'm,like, if I don't walk every day,
my body's not happy.
So it's.
We know what our body wants.
So they're not really thestructures, but they're not.
They're things we know thatwe're integrating because they
make us happy and joyous andconnecting.
(31:54):
So it's no one saying to youJames, if you want to evolve,
you have to do this, this andthis.
You're like what?
What works for me?
What structure do I want in mylife versus what you were told?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
That's super interesting.
Yeah, because my daily habitsand my rituals are like they are
.
They are that.
They make my world.
They make my world so much moreof a beautiful place to live
from and I get thrilled to to domy shows, to do my podcast, to
speak to people like you goodself to, you know, write and to
create content and to uplift andwork with my, you know,
(32:29):
exclusive clients, right, andit's just like wow, I feel so
blessed to be doing what I loveto do and uplift.
But I have to create thestructure of that to do that.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
And don't you find now, like I find people say well
, it seems like you're kind ofalways working.
I said I don't work a day in mylife.
I love being in the energy somuch that I'm always being
uplifted.
So I said I'm not really goingto work.
I'm always having a good time.
Now where I go to work.
If you want to look at us whenyou're doing the bin stuff which
, yeah, I don't like it, nobodydoes but that's part of your
business, right?
But so when you're out of theenergy and I'm not in the energy
(33:03):
, I don't feel so good.
So I love staying in the energy.
So there's a structure rightthere that I know my body loves
it and I just love being in theenergy and you love seeing
people with their.
You know how they're evolvingand they're moving and shifting.
That's joyous.
So that's a new way of livingthat you and I both create, and
(33:25):
it's similar yet different,based on what our bodies require
.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
So I just want to go back, like in closing here,
because there's something herethat I want.
I really like that you said.
It's about the conviction, sowhere people can start to what's
the word here?
Direct that universal energy ina very successful way.
Let's just call it thebeginning phase.
(33:50):
Right Now, if you haven't yetgot the direction, if you
haven't yet recognized thatyou're the director of your life
and the main actor in your ownstory of your life, in your own
movie, how would you startSomebody on this process of
realizing you can direct thatuniversal energy to help you?
(34:11):
So would you say, please Sortout these green lights all the
way you know, on the way to thegrocery store?
Or how would you do it?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I just asked is interesting to give a statement
while you're talking.
So they just actually so whatthey downloaded was so for
people I see, feel here, whatthey downloaded was to say, and
I've never said it this way you,I always like to give thanks,
that's just me, you don't haveto like, I'll be like, thank you
, god.
I know love and understand.
So we hit, that's just me.
You can say whatever you want,but they're like speak in a way
(34:45):
of spirit I require this, this,this and this.
And I know it's now done andI'm holding that conviction that
I know it's done.
Thank you, it's done, it's here.
So you say start there.
I require, I know it's done.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
And the reason I require this, this, this and
this.
Yeah, I know it's done, thankyou.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Thank you.
They say keep something simple,and it has something to do with
some of the listeners that aregetting a look can get a little
confused.
It's like keep it very simpleand then there'll be other
things that you'll feelafterwards of.
This is already here.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Okay, so I love what Tracy just shared.
I'd like to share with yousomething that I do that works
for me, similar, littledifferent.
So, like on my way to the gymthat I go to, I've got like a 10
minute drive to get to myamazing gym and on the way there
I have to go through a fewlights right, and on previous
(35:43):
occasions there's been a fewlights like red lights and so
forth, and you know I'm allabout the green lights and I
always say I say in a way it'slike universal.
God was like wouldn't it benice if you just gave me green
lights all the way, wouldn't itbe nice?
And the other day, literally, Iarrived and it was red and I
(36:03):
just slowed the car down,suddenly went green and then the
next one green, green, green,green, green green.
So it was like four or fivetraffic lights, green, boom, and
at the gym and I was like howabout that?
How about that?
That made me feel amazing, itmade me feel powerful and it
made me feel like loved and mademe feel cared for and made me
feel magical.
But, more importantly, it gaveme the muscle, the muscle to go.
(36:25):
Hey, I can keep doing this thisway this works with this little
, small little thing that we cando.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
You know, the other thing to just show that you did
there that people can play withand I played with this years ago
, like I think I was the onlyway for two, two, three years.
I get me like consciously doing, doing the work.
And I had to go on a trip and Iknew it was going to be really
difficult and it was that onethat you just you don't want to
go, but you know you need to goand you're starting to learn to
(36:54):
connect to the universe.
And I walked into the hotelroom and I said now, then I
couldn't say God, because I wasstill thinking it was tied to
man in the sky.
Like I said, I had very strictno, you know.
So I was like universe,universe, if I need to do this,
this and this, and you want meto do this.
(37:15):
Her closet light on and thelight flipped on.
Yeah, and I said what then?
Turn it off.
The light went off.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
And.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I'm going to tell you I remember that because that
was probably 20 years ago.
Yeah, that was a miracle, andif I have a waiver in something,
I go back to a miracle thathappened in my life or something
I asked for 100%.
And I pull that forward, so Idon't doubt.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah.
So, by the way, as you evolveon your spiritual journey, you
will feel a bit of doubt fromtime to time, and I want to
share something exactly the sameas what Tracy did to me and
this is how I quit like and Ibecame plant based, right yeah,
and I said this.
(38:03):
I literally said this out loud.
I said universe, if you don'tmake this easy, I'm not going to
do it.
And I said the same withdrinking If you don't make this
easy, I am not going to do it.
Now, that seems quite a lot forpeople you know, like you might
be having a drink problem or youmight be having an addiction
(38:23):
problem with some sort of someparticular challenge of
something.
But that is where I began, verymuch like Tracy, and I said
that and I remember saying itvery, very succinctly and
clearly.
And what happened after thatwas nothing short of a miracle,
because within four months, Ichanged my diet and started
eating plant-based, more organicfoods, number one, and the
(38:48):
people whose houses that I wentround to were in awe to try and
cook me a plant-based meal.
This is 20 years ago.
Wow, I mean, this is a timewhen it wasn't even, like you
know, kind of like available.
People are like oh, you'revegetarian now.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
You were way out of the circle then.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Way out of the circle right.
And I was like literally, oh mygolly, I'm out on a limb here
by myself and I'm doing this,and I don't know why I'm doing
it, but I am way out of thecircle.
And so I had to come from aplace of like I have to
completely trust this force,like the universal force which I
was only just starting tostabilize with.
(39:28):
And then the drinking thing islike, if I I'm not going to quit
drinking unless it's made easy,and my friends would be like,
oh yeah, james, do you want apineapple juice?
I'd be like, yeah, we'll get apineapple juice on the rocks for
our best friend, come on.
And I was like, oh my God,people are making this easy for
me, when previously this waslike the hardest thing I had to
(39:51):
deal with, right, yeah?
And so a miracle.
That was a miracle, like it's amiracle.
I'm still here.
It's a miracle you're stillhere and whoever's listening
it's probably a miracle.
You're still here and you are amiracle.
But you've got to use whatTracy has said and hopefully
enjoy something that we'vetalked about here today so that
(40:13):
you can flip in, apply it andget your own miracles, because
you've got to keep that faithalive, because the doubts will
creep in from time to time, butyou've got to become so in tune
with that essence of yourself.
That's divine.
Not forget it, because you willfrom time to time.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
And we all will.
And you know what it's funnydoing this work.
People always say to me well,you have this beautiful life.
I said I do now, so does thatmean you don't have any hiccups
or challenges?
I said oh no.
I said it just gave me theskill to now get through a
hiccup and challenge which wouldhave taken me maybe a year 20
(40:51):
years ago, takes me a couple ofdays now.
I said that is a miracle if youkeep doing this work.
Yeah, yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Anyway, just in closing, guys, thank you, Tracy,
for being on the show.
What a conversation, what aconversation.
Thank you for tuning in, and ifyou've enjoyed this
transformational content andwould like more, please remember
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care about.
In this episode, I'm speaking to Tracy L Clarke.
This is the second time Tracy'sbeen on the show and, just as a
reminder, she's an intuitive,she's a coach, she's a speaker
and she's the author of threebooks, and in this episode we
are talking about the journeyfrom fear to faith.
Welcome to the Genghis Grantsfrom Polkars, supercell and
(00:26):
Mortal Series, where I'minterviewing Tracy Clarke this
week.
Tracy is a phenomenal humanbeing and is incredibly
intuitive, incredibly insightful.
She's been on the show beforeand she's absolutely amazing,
and we've just been having achat about structure versus
intuition and about how life andthe world has often had decent
(00:49):
structures that are nowcrumbling, and Tracy is coming
from a viewpoint where we needto sort of flow flow through
structures that are oldparadigms, that are breaking
down, and the reason why theybreak down is because there's
quite a great deal of rigidityand inflexibility and if we want
(01:12):
to evolve, as human beingsevolve, into great happiness,
health, wellness and prosperity,it means that we can't stick
with the old programs that areold paradigms or old programs
that no longer work in thismodern world.
We need to adapt, we need toadjust, which means that we need
to learn how to flow.
(01:33):
We need to learn how to trustour intuition.
So, tracy, talking aboutintuition, talking about this
intuition versus rigidity, andthese old paradigms just remind
us what you mean by that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
If you look at the world like a round world,
everybody's inside and there'sasleep.
They're maybe ignorant, becauseit keeps you asleep Fear keeps
you asleep and it keeps youignorant and it keeps you rigid.
But if you can picture theround circle and everybody's in
that circle on Earth and justfor yourself, and then picture
yourself, you've now woken up.
(02:10):
So now you're awake, you'requestioning, you're questioning
the narrative.
Now you're outside of thecircle.
Well, when you're outside ofthe circle, you're connected to
the vastness of that, whateverthe God of your understanding is
the universal energy, whateveryou want to call it.
Well, now that's huge, becausenow you're starting to learn.
Wait a minute, what structuresdon't work for me?
(02:31):
Which structures do I need tochange?
And you start questioning thestructures.
Then your name called right,your name called like a
conspiracy theorist, or yourname called a crazy person, or
that doesn't work because thatenergy is trying to get you back
in the circle versus.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So basically, fear is back in the circle, and it's
when we use to step out thecircle by thinking freely and
being, yeah, and being free,free thinking in faith and well.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Trusting in yourself, like that's out there, because
now you got to trust in yourintuition.
You got to trust in yourselfbecause the narrative in the
schooling that you had is gone.
Now, right, You're out here andyou're like what doesn't work
for my life?
I didn't create the money Iwanted, I didn't create the
relationship I wanted, and Ihave anxiety or all these
feelings that come up.
So you get that awareness whenyou step out of the box.
(03:23):
But now you're sitting there,so now you have a bigger
perception that's coming in,about what is really unfolding
inside that circle.
And that's a scary place for alot of people to be, because
they're like, well, where do Igo next?
What do I do next?
Because it's not in thestructure that we're taught.
That's where your intuitionstarts to kick in.
(03:45):
Go here, meet with these people, start to learn, take what
resonates with you.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So how do you wake up from being in the circle, that
circle of what you were callingfear versus faith?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Faith.
I call it faith because it'slike when you're in faith, you
have to trust no belief inyourself.
You got to trust no belief inyour connection and you and I
know that when you're trustingand believing you're going like
this, you're blind.
It's like being in a dark room.
It's a feeling, you know, likeI did a podcast recently and
somebody said I can never.
I can tell I can never take youoff your path.
(04:20):
Because you know, like you'reso clear and I said because the
miracles that were done in mylife, no one can waiver that
from me, like no one can takethat away because I lived it in
Iced.
People can say what they want.
You will never change my mindwith connection to spirit
because you cannot explain thethings that unfold in my life.
So that is when you're overhere you get to the conviction.
(04:43):
But when you're also over there, how do you get there?
The same way you got there, thesame way I got there was like
wait a minute, what's that?
You just feel it's a feeling ofI've tried a lot of this stuff
and I know my life isn't goingin the direction I want and you
do naturally start questioning.
For me it was healthcare system, other people, it's banking
(05:03):
system, other people, it'srelationships.
There's something that hits thebottom that you go enough, this
is not working, and it's afeeling and you start
questioning everything and youstart looking and we've been
there.
And when you start questioning,that's how you get out of the
box.
But when you're on the otherside, a lot of times what
happens is here.
(05:24):
They try to pull you back.
Friends, family, people likedon't go over there, no, no, no,
no, no, because they don'tunderstand it and they need you
back in the fear camp tovalidate their fear.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Okay.
So most people, without themrealizing, have a lot of fear
and they don't even know itbecause they're just in the
circle.
So, a bit like the Truman show,you don't know that there's a
world outside the Truman show.
There's something I just wantedto share with you that I really
like about some people thatjust like remind me of this
truth, like simple people thatpeople know of right, and then
(05:54):
you've got to sort of draw itback into your own experience,
like I watched a littleinterview with Arnold
Schwarzenegger the other day.
He goes what the someone askedhim I think it was Jay Shetty, I
can't remember but Jay askedhim.
He goes what is the best adviceyou've ever been given or you
could ever give?
He goes believe in yourself,which means you're stepping
outside the circle.
He goes what's the worst adviceyou've ever been given?
(06:16):
Because you can't do that.
And I was like, wow, okay,that's a different perspective.
But there's a guy who's gonethrough three different careers
in his lifetime and you know hewas the always considered you
can't do that.
And so when I look in my ownexperience the questioning of
(06:36):
stepping out the fear not to saythat I don't get anxiety or I
don't get fear.
I don't feel different emotionsbecause that's not true.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
We all do yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
But what I do want to say is I remember waking up
when I asked there's got to besomething else going on here
because this just does not makeany sense anymore.
After a car crash and thenafter, you know, going out
drinking too much, I was likethis can't be the only way to
live.
There has to be another way.
And if there is, I got to know.
And then the then you start towake up and new material comes
(07:09):
into you.
Expensive with you is withhealthcare, or in a business or
in a corporate company.
You know that just does notmake sense, that this is the
only way.
There has to be a way that ismore in flow with who you are.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, because when we're born, if you look, we're
conditioned every step of theway like you go to school, you
get a job, you pay your taxes,you pay your bills, like that's
a conditioning, and then yourfamily paradigm, so yeah, and
we're all you're going to.
Also, like, people have tounderstand, you know this, when
we do something new, there'salso fear behind that, because
(07:45):
the universe doesn't know thedifference of our emotions.
It's a vibration, right, so itcan also read fear, the universe
as excitement.
It can read it as the same way.
So we feel fear, but it's also.
We have to reverse it.
It's probably excitement thatyou know you're venturing on
something different.
You don't know if it's going towork out.
It's like a dark room, like wesaid, where you're just feeling
your way around, but you know,so you keep going.
(08:08):
And sometimes people do confusefear with excitement on a new
path, because it's just theunknown.
If we were taught to becomfortable with the unknown,
watch what would happen, likethat world would open up.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, I mean this comfortable thing is really
interesting because I've beengoing through a period of being
really uncomfortable, with a lotof new going on in my life.
But my heart says you must goor you want to go this way,
because the idea of comfort ormy old life does just not excite
me at all.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
No, but see, there's a difference when I say comfort.
So I'll use this with comfortand trigger, because I said this
so many other days I said,comfortable is comfortable in
your spirit.
Like you said, it's notnecessarily comfortable moving
through it.
It's, like you just said, withyour heart, you know but, going
through.
It is uncomfortable because wehave to get uncomfortable to get
to a new level.
It's like when people are 100%.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I just want to say that again because that is huge.
Yeah, you have to beuncomfortable to get to a new
level.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So if you are and this is like relationships, we
say this, people inrelationships if you meet a new
partner and it's like reallycomfortable, like I mean like
your whole, everything, chancesthat you didn't elevate, they're
very similar to whatever youhad before.
If you meet a new person andthat you apply this to your
whole life and you're like whatis that?
What's going on here?
(09:29):
Right, you're uncomfortable,but you know, you know you've
leveled up and now you're in adifferent energy.
So we have to get uncomfortable, be comfortable again, and then
we'll elevate again, but it'sin the heart, you know, you just
know.
So there's two vibrations goingon.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, this is really important, actually, because
your heart knows, but youremotions may say something else.
So your heart knows that thisis right, but it doesn't stop
you feeling anxious, frustrated,unsure maybe a bit of doubt,
but in your heart you're like Iknow this is right.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
And that's the faith right, Because you're following
with the heart, saying not theemotions of the body, but the
body has to go through theemotions so it can elevate up
into the new energy, Becausewhen the body goes through the
emotions it's letting go of theold energy to bring you into the
new energy.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So we're really trying to go back into the heart
again and again and again,because when I've ever looked
through some of the changes I'vehad to go through or anybody
listening right when you look atyour changes that you go
through and I know this was thecase for you because you had,
like, so many things happeningin your younger years, your
formative years so when thatchange happens, it's
uncomfortable and you're like,okay, here we go again.
(10:51):
Then you go again.
You're like okay, and again.
But you always look back withpride or you look back with, you
know, a sense of like wow, Imanaged to move through that
even though it's superchallenging.
You feel stronger, you feelmore invigorated, you feel like
you've got more power in yourpocket.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But you also.
For me, it anchored in myconnection with my version of
faith, which I would say istrust, no belief, because I
realized when I look back Icouldn't explain how that
happened or how I came throughit.
It just happened.
So then that anchored in thatthere was a bigger presence than
me, guiding me, and the more Ileaned into that, the more my
(11:36):
intuition came on stronger, moreI was able to manifest, and
this is what people have tolisten to.
But that's the greatestrelationship that we are not
taught more.
Little is what not notreligiously, not any of that.
What is your sacred connectionto the divine?
Or sacred connection isdifferent than mine, but it's
all beautiful.
They can look similar, but it'sunique to each and every one of
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us.
So how do we?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
how does Tracy get in touch with that feeling of
trusting in the divine?
Again and again and again,especially when you're being
pulled into an uncomfortableplace Because, whether you know,
you might be transitioningthrough a relationship or
elevating that relationship.
You know you're thinking aboutyour work and you're wanting to
(12:23):
change your work and you feellike you're being called to
something else, you know, oryour health, in one way or
another.
How does?
How does Tracy?
Where did she begin thatrelationship?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You know when I started in the early days and
people probably laugh.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I had some very stern words at times, with spirit
like yelling, you normally geton your knees, or you swear or
you're like look, you knowthey're true, but it became a
constant conversation, which isstill is today.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Is it so?
There's two parts that now, ifanyone can just take it, it's
easy, but it's a, it's adialogue, it's.
Show me the sign of this, showme the truth about this.
I need clarification on this.
But you're asking spirit andyou're actually becoming aware
to look for them.
You can't just say it and like,okay, I'm going to go to work
and forget it.
You have to become conscious,to be aware and go oh my gosh, I
(13:19):
asked for this and somebodybrought me this information.
Okay, I'm going to ask for alittle bit more clarification.
But the other space where I sayto people is it's very important
, however, they need to do it.
I go into what I callweightlessness now, and that's
what usually I teach is go outof the heart and exercise to go
into the head.
So the body becomes veryweightless, you feel very free
and people do it in differentways of meditation.
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Whatever they do, I like to doit instantly.
I'm kind of one of those peoplethat just like, okay, let's
just go.
So you train the body to do itand then.
But when you're in theweightless space, there's a
different communion that happensand a conversation with your
spirit space, and that energybrings clarity and that energy
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allows you to also get answersquicker so you can move through
something faster.
So when I started havingconversations and say I need, I
need the truth on this and I seethe truth on this, and then I
started changing my words.
So in the end, the beginningwas I need to see the truth in
this and now it's.
I know the truth around thisand I know that it's here now
(14:21):
and I know how to act upon it bysaying that it's like no right.
We brought in the presence.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Let me write this down because this is important.
So you're just switching yourwords around.
You're switching your wordsaround about saying, instead of
I want to know the truth or Iknow the truth.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
So I'll ask it and like show me the truth.
But then and then, when I gointo weightlessness, I'm like
when I go into my space, I'mlike I know the truth around
this, this, this, I, maybesomebody's creating some money.
It's like they could be like I,I love created, understand that
I have this in my space andthat this happened Like.
(15:02):
You know how you you talk itout loud.
You know people say I want or Ineed, like all of that kibosh
is that you and I know that.
But if you're talking to spiritlike you're living it, but I
mean like talking it, not justthink it.
Like if you're going through ameditation or clearing, start
talking it, even if you're outin your world.
It's like you know, I had a ladywho said she wanted to get
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married and but she didn't havea partner.
So what I said to her is likewhat are you?
But it's like, wow, I had thebest wedding ever and thank you
spirit.
That I know, I understand and Ilove that.
I had the most incrediblewedding that I couldn't even
imagine before.
But it was beautiful and shewent into this whole thing and
she ended up meeting the personshe wanted and she ended up
getting married with that space,as she ended up bringing in.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Right.
So you know, for peoplelistening, you've got to say as
if it's already done, simple asif it's already done with
conviction, but if you don'thave that conviction yet.
How do you get to that position?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It's a keep.
It's like building a muscle.
It's keep trusting and it'skeep asking and it's keep moving
through.
So you ask, you tell what youneed, but then you go into your
conviction mode and that's, it'sa it's.
You're not going to get a sixpack one time.
It's not going to happen.
So it's training the muscle,it's training the energy and how
you communicate and you willchange some of those words, but
(16:24):
then it's a feeling right.
That's why I say, if you gointo weightlessness or
meditation and you're repeatingthese things that are there,
what happens is a body lift upsand it's like there's this whole
beam of energy that just goesout like this and it's so
freeing and it's that point ofweightlessness where you feel it
in the body that the heart andconnect into what you're asking
to bring in as well.
(16:44):
So it's like a core that getsstronger because now you're
removed, you're very neutral andyou're free.
So the reason I sayweightlessness is people can
feel what that feels like.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Because in weightlessness there's zero
resistance.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I remember being on the beach in Hawaii one
afternoon and I just dreamtsomething up and happened that
evening, like instantly, and Ifelt completely, as you said,
weightless and I actually felt.
Whilst on the beach, I saidsomething happened there.
Something happened there and ithappened that evening and I met
somebody that evening and I waslike oh my God, and I was like
(17:23):
wow, and this was like quite afew years ago and it was one of
the first times when I actuallyfelt like there's nothing
happening in my body.
Now we're all capable of doingthis, but you've got to put
yourself in the position, asTracy is saying, where you're
like totally relaxed, totallyweightless.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And you've got to be able to take time to do it.
Like a lot of times when we'rewanting to evolve or create,
people do want it now.
We can have now, but thenthere's distractions that we
will all allow our body to gointo right and so we allow our
daily life to become thedistraction.
And I do this morning and night.
There's not a day that I don'tdo it before I get out of bed
(18:05):
and when I go to bed and then Ihave conversations Like if
you're in my house and they hadhidden gatherings, they'd be
like oh, that lady talks all daylong what her animals to
herself.
Like what's happening?
Because I'm in my home and I'mjust having conversations with
spirit nonstop.
If you're in your car, haveconversations with spirit.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
So what's a normal conversation that you might have
with spirit?
That might just start peoplehaving conversations with their
spirit.
Right, because we're aspects ofthe divine, we're aspects of
the same thing.
We're only a small portion ofthat beautiful big light.
We might as well use thatbeautiful, bigger version of
(18:42):
ourself that can see from aneagle-eye perspective more than
what we can see with our ownphysical eyes, and tune and tap
into that.
And what I love is that I havemy way of doing it.
You have your way of doing it,but I would like to know your
way of doing it in a fun waythat might inspire someone to go
look, I'm going to start havingconversations.
Even though I might not be ableto see it, I might be able to,
(19:05):
as Tracy said, feel it.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah Well, even if you're walking around your house
and you're like I love myhealthy, strong body and I
understand how I've been able tocreate it, and then you might
say you know what spirit, I'm alittle pissed off because I
haven't got the informationright now.
I don't feel I've connectedright now, like maybe you're
having that kind of conversationand then you're coming back.
Sometimes it's like so there'ssomething I'm going to say here
(19:27):
and maybe this will help peopleto understand.
There's an old teaching andmost people don't understand it.
It's through the religious lineand people will always hear.
They hear this teaching aboutit's follow me, follow me,
follow me.
And I was teaching this recentlybecause when people hear follow
me, right away their brain goesto oh, you're following a
(19:47):
prophet, or you're following aguru, or you're following a
person, or you're followingJesus or you're following right,
cause it's all religious kindof way with.
That's not what it meant Followme.
When you hear that is, followthe divine God of your
understanding energy, universalenergy, that's inside of you
already.
So when you hear that, followme, it's like follow me, like
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inside you, to open up more.
So sometimes I say to people ifyou're confused or you're
feeling like, is this present?
Because the presence is alreadyinside of you, you can say okay
, follow me, follow me, right,I'm following my higher self,
I'm following my connection, I'mfollowing me, which will change
the perception.
So when you're walking aroundor you're home or you're in your
(20:32):
car, you might be saying youknow what spirit I'm following
you, which is yourself, right.
So please open that road andplease move this and please
leave this out of my space.
Please move the traffic, pleaseallow this drive to be easy.
Oh right, you can start there,because that's going to shift
the brain.
The next one is the drive iseasy.
Leave, go.
(20:53):
Everything's open.
Thank you, spirit.
And so you're having aconversation.
That's very direct.
The reason I say some peoplewill go to the other ones like,
please do this, like we neverreally want to ask because it's
already done.
But it has to shift the brain.
Sometimes people can't go rightinto.
Oh, there's a dark energy inthere.
Just leave, get out, just go.
They're not that convicted.
(21:14):
So it breaks another barrier.
So if you're the person that'slike you're still a people
pleaser or you're not sure youmight use that language, that's
okay at first, don't beatyourself up.
Then it's like yeah, drive iseasy, I'm opening this up, this
we're going to move.
So a lot of times when I'm in,I'm like okay, spirit, we're
going to move this, we have toalign this or changing this, we
(21:34):
need to do this, and you know.
Whatever the situation is, youknow, and then I it's like
giving little orders.
You know your orders, and thenwhen you're coming back, you're
like okay, yeah, I make thisevery month.
I have this in my life, I lovethis.
This is what's coming next.
So, whatever your dreams are,that's where you would then
bring it back into reality.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So the conviction is basically for sure, like working
a muscle yeah, 100%.
So there's a couple of thingsthat I really resonate with what
you're saying.
Number one I call it, like youknow, as part of the hero's
journey or the heroine's journeyof yourself.
Follow me means the highestversion of you that you're, you
know, it's your future self andyour present self, like
(22:15):
combining right.
And that is the part of youthat you are really seeking more
than anything else the bestversion of yourself, which might
always be a few steps away, butyou're catching up with it the
whole time.
And that is the person you seek.
It's not somebody else, it'snot a guru, it's not.
It's not.
That is you.
(22:37):
And then the second part, whichreally, you know, touches me
because it's part of my message,is the mind, body and soul's
wellness.
If you don't, if you miss oneof those three of that, try out
a well being.
You've missed it, you know,because I got my body in amazing
shape but my mind was all overthe place and then I was like,
okay, so it was only bymeditation that my mind began to
(22:59):
become a bit clearer and Icould hear spirit.
And then I was like, oh mygolly, right now I've got all
three.
This is keeping me well and I'mlike now I talk to God, as you
do, or the universe all the time, but I do it in a way which is
similar to you.
But you know like I have tofeel, like I am speaking with
sincerity, like I care, and thatsincerity allows me to tap into
(23:22):
the heart.
Now, that wasn't something thatI felt like I used to do growing
up, but it was something that Ibecame as I was humbled by life
, by making bad choices.
I felt like you know what Ithink?
I need to be kind to myself andI need to, you know, speak to
that creator within me or that'saround me in a way that I'd
(23:46):
like to be spoken to.
So I started saying things withsincerity and I remember, never
forget, a story that I read ina little book called A Deep
Breath of Life, which Iunderstand you just got that
book as well, which I reallylove, and it's about this, one
of the stories on one of thedaily quotations or prayers or
whatever.
It's about this little kid andthe little kid saying dear God,
(24:08):
please help me say my ABCs,because I'm finding it really
tough versus somebody who said,oh, I need this, this and this.
But the sincerity of the littlekid is answer was given really,
really quickly, meaning he wasgiven like the extra nudge
because that was coming from aplace of sincerity.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And I noticed humility and humility, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
And when you start to get a bit cocky, you know you
can get, you can get slappedright.
And so if you ever noticed thatyou're coming from there, you
might be coming from a littlebit of ego and you might be
coming from a place of a lack ofhumility and you might have to
be humbled a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
And there's a strength and a conviction on how
you can say your words tocommand what you desire for your
space.
Yeah, but you know, I want toshare this.
They're showing this.
When you said this withhumility, I had this dream I've
never forgotten about.
It's probably about eight yearsago and I was waiting to go
speak on this stage.
In the dream, there's a littleman beside me and there was all
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these people that were on thisstage and they were like I was
irritated.
I'm like how are peoplelistening?
Like there was such a bigpresence of just like you said,
like ego, like we know when wesee different things.
It was just like, and I wasgetting irritated.
He said just don't worry aboutthem.
Don't worry about them, becauseI'm like these people aren't
(25:36):
going to want to hear what Ihave to say, because it was kind
of like a similar thing thatwe're talking about right now
and I said they want to know why.
He's like just you're here,your turn go.
So then I went, they went off,yeah, and I look, and it's like
one of those big stadiums thatgoes up like this.
So there's thousands of peopleand at the top there were four
balls of fire that were comingdown to the stage.
(25:57):
And you know, on a stagethere's a, you have the stairs
that go up and down right oneach side to go down the stage.
The little old man.
So all these people, they stoodup and they were like in panic
and I knew a lot of them thatwere in there.
The little man grabs me and wego flying down the stairs and he
goes on top of me and all of asudden and you could smell the
(26:19):
burning like in the room, likeit was crazy.
And I get up Everybody's chartLike I'm like freaking out right
and I look at him.
I'm like what happened?
He said look to me and he saysalways stay humble and he'll
never get burned.
Nice, it's kind of that oldsaying what goes around comes
(26:41):
around.
You will get burned at somepoint just like you're saying
right, you will get burned.
So to stay in that grace, tostay in that, use your powers.
It's no different than I say topeople if you go back and the
reason I use this is becauseit's just to teaching people now
is, if you look at how thestories of when the Christ
walked the planet, he didn'ttake credit for what was
(27:05):
happening and there was ahumility and there was a
non-judgment and there was anon-division that was going on.
So you can see how it's allbeen manipulated through the
years.
So it's not about people, don'tgo into, I'm just as a
teachable moment.
It's like that's the humilityand the kindness that we all
hold superpowers within us andwhen we have them that you can
(27:25):
never there's always givinggrace and thanks to the
universal energies workingthrough you and to stay humble
within it and to alwaysunderstand.
It's that humility that's goingto continue to grow your
supernatural powers and strength, because it's not you and me
doing it or the vessel.
It's the energy that's comingthrough, that we're allowing to
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come through, to create thosemiracles in people's lives.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
That people are going to know 100%, 100%.
And, like you know, like, eventhough I feel like in my case,
I've been blessed with so manywonderful things, I was like,
look, you know, I'm just thevessel, like I'm a messenger
like it's not.
Okay, there's a part of me doingit, but it you know I can't
take personal credit going.
Look at me how wonderful I am,because that's not what this is
(28:11):
all about.
You know, like I've beenthrough enough.
You know challenge to go thatway doesn't work, this way does.
And then, when you do, you werehumbled.
And then the energy flows andyou're like okay, this is, this
is what kind of going with theflow is, even though it may not
make logical sense, which iswhere we began our conversation
(28:31):
today.
Doesn't make any logical sensewhy I'm doing this or why I've
moved country and why I'mstaying here and why I've
changed my work.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And that's the key to being outside that circle.
It's not going to make anysense.
That's that knowing right.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
But what, as human beings, we want?
Sense right.
We want it to be sent.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Program for that.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
We've been programmed , okay.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
We've been programmed to follow a pattern.
You do this, you get that, youdo this, you get that.
But really, when you startworking with the universal
energies within you and the Godwithin you, it's not going to
make a lot of sense.
That's why you go to theknowing and you just got to
follow the knowing.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Now I've seen, I've seen this in documentaries, I've
read about this, but whenyou're experiencing it it's a
very different thing.
Right, and you hear it beingmade no sense, but I went and
did it anyway, and it's a bitlike saying I don't know why I
went there, but I went there andit just felt right.
And then I met somebody or Igot a ticket into that concert
or something like that.
(29:35):
You know the amount of timesthings like that have happened
to me growing up was amazing.
I was like I don't know why, Ijust listened, but I just did
that and it was illogical.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Because the universe works that way, right.
And the universe works in anon-linear Exactly, and it puts
pieces together when you'reready.
There's another piece of thepuzzle, but we're so trained to
be structured and that was doneon purpose.
So when we wake up and we'reoutside, we now are learning how
to run with flowing versusstructure.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
But you know there's certain things.
Like you know, structure for meis important in my life.
You know I have rituals, I havethings that I do that give me
structure.
But it's the bit that allowsthe bits to flow in between,
like the thread that goesthrough the needle, through the
structures of saying these aretrue.
So I'll correct that.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Because you're right Okay, I'll correct that, so
it'll make it clear becauseyou're right.
So we have our structure interms of how we communicate, how
we need to have our meditation,like how that makes us, but
that's a different structure.
We're creating that ourselvesto have communication.
The structure I'm talking aboutis a structure we grow up in is
like you're going to go, you'regoing to, you know, get a job,
you go to school, you learn.
(30:45):
This way you don't go outsideof the box.
There's a fear structure thatwe're born into.
Then there's a faith structure,what you're talking about.
That we move into when we breakthe fear structure and then you
create your own.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
So when we break the patterns of the fear structure,
we move into the faith structure.
So then we would likedisciplines that lead you to
freedom.
So structure, but one has anenergy of fear, perhaps, and the
other one has an energy offaith.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, because you're now doing things you know that
resonate for you, that work foryou.
You're doing meditation inschool, do they?
They don't teach you how toconnect to the divine within.
They don't teach you to haveboundaries and be empowered and
create and dream that you can domiracles and you can be all
that you want to be.
That's not taught in schoolbecause that's a fear structure.
(31:32):
So you put a new structure inthat works for James, which is a
faith structure, which is our,your, your rituals, your
routines, your walks, like I'm,like, if I don't walk every day,
my body's not happy.
So it's.
We know what our body wants.
So they're not really thestructures, but they're not.
They're things we know thatwe're integrating because they
make us happy and joyous andconnecting.
(31:54):
So it's no one saying to youJames, if you want to evolve,
you have to do this, this andthis.
You're like what?
What works for me?
What structure do I want in mylife versus what you were told?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
That's super interesting.
Yeah, because my daily habitsand my rituals are like they are
.
They are that.
They make my world.
They make my world so much moreof a beautiful place to live
from and I get thrilled to to domy shows, to do my podcast, to
speak to people like you goodself to, you know, write and to
create content and to uplift andwork with my, you know,
(32:29):
exclusive clients, right, andit's just like wow, I feel so
blessed to be doing what I loveto do and uplift.
But I have to create thestructure of that to do that.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
And don't you find now, like I find people say well
, it seems like you're kind ofalways working.
I said I don't work a day in mylife.
I love being in the energy somuch that I'm always being
uplifted.
So I said I'm not really goingto work.
I'm always having a good time.
Now where I go to work.
If you want to look at us whenyou're doing the bin stuff which
, yeah, I don't like it, nobodydoes but that's part of your
business, right?
But so when you're out of theenergy and I'm not in the energy
(33:03):
, I don't feel so good.
So I love staying in the energy.
So there's a structure rightthere that I know my body loves
it and I just love being in theenergy and you love seeing
people with their.
You know how they're evolvingand they're moving and shifting.
That's joyous.
So that's a new way of livingthat you and I both create, and
(33:25):
it's similar yet different,based on what our bodies require
.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
So I just want to go back, like in closing here,
because there's something herethat I want.
I really like that you said.
It's about the conviction, sowhere people can start to what's
the word here?
Direct that universal energy ina very successful way.
Let's just call it thebeginning phase.
(33:50):
Right Now, if you haven't yetgot the direction, if you
haven't yet recognized thatyou're the director of your life
and the main actor in your ownstory of your life, in your own
movie, how would you startSomebody on this process of
realizing you can direct thatuniversal energy to help you?
(34:11):
So would you say, please Sortout these green lights all the
way you know, on the way to thegrocery store?
Or how would you do it?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I just asked is interesting to give a statement
while you're talking.
So they just actually so whatthey downloaded was so for
people I see, feel here, whatthey downloaded was to say, and
I've never said it this way you,I always like to give thanks,
that's just me, you don't haveto like, I'll be like, thank you
, god.
I know love and understand.
So we hit, that's just me.
You can say whatever you want,but they're like speak in a way
(34:45):
of spirit I require this, this,this and this.
And I know it's now done andI'm holding that conviction that
I know it's done.
Thank you, it's done, it's here.
So you say start there.
I require, I know it's done.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
And the reason I require this, this, this and
this.
Yeah, I know it's done, thankyou.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Thank you.
They say keep something simple,and it has something to do with
some of the listeners that aregetting a look can get a little
confused.
It's like keep it very simpleand then there'll be other
things that you'll feelafterwards of.
This is already here.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Okay, so I love what Tracy just shared.
I'd like to share with yousomething that I do that works
for me, similar, littledifferent.
So, like on my way to the gymthat I go to, I've got like a 10
minute drive to get to myamazing gym and on the way there
I have to go through a fewlights right, and on previous
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occasions there's been a fewlights like red lights and so
forth, and you know I'm allabout the green lights and I
always say I say in a way it'slike universal.
God was like wouldn't it benice if you just gave me green
lights all the way, wouldn't itbe nice?
And the other day, literally, Iarrived and it was red and I
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just slowed the car down,suddenly went green and then the
next one green, green, green,green, green green.
So it was like four or fivetraffic lights, green, boom, and
at the gym and I was like howabout that?
How about that?
That made me feel amazing, itmade me feel powerful and it
made me feel like loved and mademe feel cared for and made me
feel magical.
But, more importantly, it gaveme the muscle, the muscle to go.
(36:25):
Hey, I can keep doing this thisway this works with this little
, small little thing that we cando.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
You know, the other thing to just show that you did
there that people can play withand I played with this years ago
, like I think I was the onlyway for two, two, three years.
I get me like consciously doing, doing the work.
And I had to go on a trip and Iknew it was going to be really
difficult and it was that onethat you just you don't want to
go, but you know you need to goand you're starting to learn to
(36:54):
connect to the universe.
And I walked into the hotelroom and I said now, then I
couldn't say God, because I wasstill thinking it was tied to
man in the sky.
Like I said, I had very strictno, you know.
So I was like universe,universe, if I need to do this,
this and this, and you want meto do this.
(37:15):
Her closet light on and thelight flipped on.
Yeah, and I said what then?
Turn it off.
The light went off.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
And.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I'm going to tell you I remember that because that
was probably 20 years ago.
Yeah, that was a miracle, andif I have a waiver in something,
I go back to a miracle thathappened in my life or something
I asked for 100%.
And I pull that forward, so Idon't doubt.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah.
So, by the way, as you evolveon your spiritual journey, you
will feel a bit of doubt fromtime to time, and I want to
share something exactly the sameas what Tracy did to me and
this is how I quit like and Ibecame plant based, right yeah,
and I said this.
(38:03):
I literally said this out loud.
I said universe, if you don'tmake this easy, I'm not going to
do it.
And I said the same withdrinking If you don't make this
easy, I am not going to do it.
Now, that seems quite a lot forpeople you know, like you might
be having a drink problem or youmight be having an addiction
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problem with some sort of someparticular challenge of
something.
But that is where I began, verymuch like Tracy, and I said
that and I remember saying itvery, very succinctly and
clearly.
And what happened after thatwas nothing short of a miracle,
because within four months, Ichanged my diet and started
eating plant-based, more organicfoods, number one, and the
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people whose houses that I wentround to were in awe to try and
cook me a plant-based meal.
This is 20 years ago.
Wow, I mean, this is a timewhen it wasn't even, like you
know, kind of like available.
People are like oh, you'revegetarian now.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
You were way out of the circle then.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Way out of the circle right.
And I was like literally, oh mygolly, I'm out on a limb here
by myself and I'm doing this,and I don't know why I'm doing
it, but I am way out of thecircle.
And so I had to come from aplace of like I have to
completely trust this force,like the universal force which I
was only just starting tostabilize with.
(39:28):
And then the drinking thing islike, if I I'm not going to quit
drinking unless it's made easy,and my friends would be like,
oh yeah, james, do you want apineapple juice?
I'd be like, yeah, we'll get apineapple juice on the rocks for
our best friend, come on.
And I was like, oh my God,people are making this easy for
me, when previously this waslike the hardest thing I had to
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deal with, right, yeah?
And so a miracle.
That was a miracle, like it's amiracle.
I'm still here.
It's a miracle you're stillhere and whoever's listening
it's probably a miracle.
You're still here and you are amiracle.
But you've got to use whatTracy has said and hopefully
enjoy something that we'vetalked about here today so that
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you can flip in, apply it andget your own miracles, because
you've got to keep that faithalive, because the doubts will
creep in from time to time, butyou've got to become so in tune
with that essence of yourself.
That's divine.
Not forget it, because you willfrom time to time.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
And we all will.
And you know what it's funnydoing this work.
People always say to me well,you have this beautiful life.
I said I do now, so does thatmean you don't have any hiccups
or challenges?
I said oh no.
I said it just gave me theskill to now get through a
hiccup and challenge which wouldhave taken me maybe a year 20
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years ago, takes me a couple ofdays now.
I said that is a miracle if youkeep doing this work.
Yeah, yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Anyway, just in closing, guys, thank you, Tracy,
for being on the show.
What a conversation, what aconversation.
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