March 6, 2024 • 39 mins
When life's hardships seem insurmountable, stories of triumph like Ana Mattos's remind us of the profound strength embedded in human spirit.
"Try leaning into the pain so you can learn, grow and move from it"
-Ana Mattos
Ana, a world class osteopath whose grandmother was the local healer in the neighbourhood where she was raised in São Paulo shares her tale of transformation, Her journey through the challenges of race and cultural barriers to a life dedicated to wellness embodies the resilience and purpose we all yearn to find. Join us as she shares her voyage of love, healing, and the wisdom inherited by her lineage, painting a vivid picture of how one's calling can guide them through life's tumultuous waves.
Change often arrives wrapped in the cloak of adversity, and this episode bears witness to the transformative power of facing one's personal demons head-on. We track the steps of a brave soul who, amidst the uncertainty of Brexit, sought refuge and rebirth on the enchanting island of Madeira. Her narrative is a testament to the human capacity for growth, vividly illustrated through a harrowing confrontation with COVID-19 that led to an unexpected rebirth. This segment shines a light on the strength found in solitude and the unexpected directions our paths can take when we surrender to life's unpredictable currents.
Ana helps us recognize that each chapter of our existence, no matter how chaotic at the time, is integral to the greater story we're composing. Together, we explore the liberation that comes from fearless self-expression, and the joy in embracing every heartbeat of our journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
In this episode I'm speaking to Osteopath Natropath,
Health and Wellness Coach andmodern day healer, Ana Matos.
Ana's journey comes from humblebeginnings in Sao Paulo, Brazil
, to helping five-star clientsin the most luxurious resorts
and retreats all over the world.
Enjoy the conversation.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's lovely to be with you here.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's so easy, okay, well, hello and welcome to the
James Grant from PodcastSuperSoul Model Series, where I
help people tune and tap intotheir natural state of
well-being.
This week's guest is anincredible human being and her
name is Ana Matos.
Ana is a highly experiencedhealth and wellness practitioner
with over two decades ofexpertise and experience in
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osteopathic medicine,naturopathy, breath work,
mindfulness, meditation andhealth and wellness counseling.
Originally from Brazil, ana'sstory is very inspiring and
she's managed to create a verysuccessful life and business for
herself from humble beginnings.
This week's SuperSoul Model isAna Matos.
(01:15):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Thank you very much.
Thanks for having me here.
It's very exciting to be herewith you and to participate of
your show, so thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Ana, absolutely so, ana.
I randomly met Ana and I don'tbelieve in random coincidences
anymore, but Ana actuallytreated and was a practitioner
for my sister and her kids backin London and my sister said I
think you really need to meetAna.
There is something very specialabout this lady that you need
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to meet, and I'm quite an openbook and any of the audience
that's listening in.
Sometimes we get inspired tomeet people and we think, yeah,
you're not quite sure what it'sgoing to be.
But when I first met Ana, I waslike this is a human being with
a lot of light, a lot of energy, and I could just tell from
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even my own experience of likebeing in the wellness space.
I was like this person isliving and breathing her work
and I was blessed to meet her ina beautiful hotel here in
Marbella and that is how ourpaths came across and I said Ana
, you have got to come and shareyour story on the show because
it is such an inspiring story.
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So here you are.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I just want to thank you to my sister for introducing
us, because Ana really walksher talk, and that's what the
world needs.
And that's what this podcast isall about.
It's trying to share with uspeople who are wonderful role
models, who are walking theirtalk in integrity, and that's
exactly what you do, ana.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Thank you, Thank you so much.
This morning, when I was doingmy practice, just my sort of
self care practice of themorning, I was thinking of the
day that we met and how we metand how there was like no
expectations.
And when you walked into thehotel and I saw you, I just I
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just needed to hug you and youdid the same and it was just.
You know, it was like meetingthis wonderful person.
It was so.
I just want to acknowledge youas a wonderful person as well
and, you know, I think it was ameeting of souls, like you also
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walk your talk and and I thinkwe recognize that on each other.
So, thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh, that's a pleasure , and I would also, you know, I
have to thank my sister as well,because she doesn't, you know,
hand out like I'll go and see myfriend or whatever.
She doesn't do that, and sowhen she did that, I was like,
okay, well, this, she must besomeone special, right?
And you know, that's why Iappreciate and I recognize them
that in you immediately.
But what I wanted to share andparticularly share with the
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audience, ana, is yourbeginnings of becoming a
wellness practitioner, and youknow helping high net worth
clients with regards toosteopathic medicine and what
you're doing, going around theworld into these amazing spas
and hotels and having yourprivate practice.
You know what led you to this,what led you to this life,
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because there was a point intime when you didn't speak any
English at all.
So, you know, tell us a littlebit about your journey and you
know, if someone's listening,anything is possible, because
you are a living example ofshowing people that things are
possible when there is no wayand no how.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Wow, yes, so starting .
So I'm a child, working classchild, from Brazil.
My parents were very troubled,you know alcoholic father,
narcissistic mother had allsorts of problems with siblings.
I had a sibling that wasautistic.
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So we were sort of very humbleand troubled early beginnings.
But me as a person on my journey, there's some extra layers to
that.
You know, coming from Brazil insort of early 70s, 80s, a lot
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of racism actually is still alot of racism around in Brazil,
in the world and so on.
But that aside, I experiencedquite a lot of racism as a child
and also a little bit of comingfrom a very patronizing family.
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Like you are a woman, youshouldn't, you couldn't, you
don't, and then having to fightthrough all of those layers and
coming out of that, I was veryfortunate to fall in love with
someone I met and went to NewZealand and that was like they
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stepped forward to what I needed.
So I was, as a child, I wasvery interested in spirituality.
I was very connected to mygreat-grandmother who was the
healer.
Was the village?
Well, village, st Paul is not avillage, but she was.
St Paul is one of the biggestcities in the world.
Exactly.
But she was the local healerRight and I remember, you know,
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as a very, very little child,you know, going to visit her and
she had like cues of peoplewaiting for her to say her words
.
You know people would gatheraround her and she would talk
and give them herbs and justliterally give the healing and I
would just be with her.
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I can actually feel, just as Italk to you, I can feel the
energy now coming in.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
So it's kind of like this beautiful, like passing
down a legacy of energy fromyour grandmother to you.
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
That's exactly what I'm saying.
You know, as I talk and I evokeher name and her, I can
actually feel the energetic sortof surroundings increasing.
So I'm grateful to that.
But going forward and notmaking my story too long, I went
to live in New Zealand.
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I started to learn aboutdifferent things and sort of got
connected to science and withinthe sort of more westernized
world I personally myselfcreated this idea where it had
to be science-based, proven andotherwise it wouldn't be
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accepted.
So for a long time I was livingwithin that.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So you're living in this kind of logical world where
there is nothing else exceptfor the facts?
Is that what you're saying?
Very much Science is great.
I mean, it allows us to reallyunderstand how things work.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
So what led you into this wellness path?
What was the story for you tofind this understanding?
Because when you're talkingabout I can evoke the feeling of
my grandma in my body.
To listen to this, that mightfeel really strange, but if
you're not understanding energyand how it works, it might feel
very alien to some people, butto you it seems very normal.
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So how did that sort of allcome about?
Because I know that inosteopathic medicine and when
you're treating the body, you'retreating the body for the pain
and some of the symptoms thatare going on.
But you've discovered thatthere's more going on than just
the body.
And so when you're talkingabout your grandma, you can feel
it right.
You can feel her spirit or herenergy pulsating through you.
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But if you're not that type ofperson, how do you tap into that
?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yes, well, that's a great question.
So for me it was pretty much asyou described either here or
here the in-between, it wasalmost like there was not an
acceptance for it, because therewas the need to prove myself
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within the scientific world, youknow, coming from that
background where you wouldn't beable to do anything or be
anything.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
There's no credibility.
So you want to be crediblethrough science.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Exactly so.
I attached myself for a longtime within that and I wouldn't
allow or I couldn't see I wasn'tin touch with the other side of
who I am, who is an energeticbeing, who is a spiritual being,
and how that could blendtogether and work beautifully at
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a human level to improve ourown, my and other people's human
experience of life.
So I don't know if I'm answeringyour question properly, but how
it came to me was through aseries of traumas or
realizations of traumas, andhaving to go deep, like a
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divorce, a sort of very dramaticbreakup, breaking up from a
country that I really loved andthen going to another country.
So this is the sort of fourthtime I move around the world,
but rediscovering that actuallyhome is here with me, in me, and
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also that I can be all of that.
I can have the science, theknowledge, the scientific prove
and I can also be spiritual,energetic and I can blend all of
that with my work.
So that's how it came about forme to sort of restart.
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Restart my life was likeresearch restart, which started
in 2019, very much.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
OK, so tell us a little bit what happened in 2019
, because everybody who'slistening is going to have to
restart or reset again and again, and again.
And one thing I always like toremind myself of in my own
journey, which can be quitehumorous, but it doesn't feel
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like it when you're goingthrough it, but when you fast
forward a bit you can look backand laugh.
That's why I love Shakespeare'squote, which is life is but a
comedy of errors and it justmakes you look at life with a
little bit more life, with alittle bit more lightheartedness
.
And when I look at it, at myown trials and tribulations, I
can look back and have a goodold chuckle about them.
But during the time when I wasgoing through it, I was like, oh
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, this feels really heavy, butthere was always in life a
series of resets and restarts,and today, when you wake up,
could be a new chance for areset, and today is a new
opportunity.
But in 2019, take us back tosomething that you've shared
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with me before that you canshare with the audience about
what happened to you for yournext restart, because that was
quite significant for you.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It was.
It was.
So two things happened.
I don't intend to be politicalor to get political or anything,
but for me it was verysignificant.
Brexit was one of the things.
It was the little fire therethat kind of went like oh where
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am I and what am I?
Why am I here?
Am I in the right place?
Am I doing the right thing?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Because you were living in London, right.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well, I was living in London, right, and even in
London for a very long period oftime, like 20 plus years, and I
still love London.
London is one of my veryfavorite cities in the whole
world and I love it.
But it was everything about mylife within England and London
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and it was like who am I, whatam I living, what can I do to
going forward?
Because I used to say, in 10years time, I want to do this,
in the future, I want to do this, and then it would never happen
.
And that was the first thing.
And then I had a breakup, sortof very sad breakup, with
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someone who I loved and weintend to move to live in two
different countries.
We had a whole idea of what todo or not to do, and then I
realized, sort of kind of lastminute, that it wasn't what I
wanted.
You know, it's not the personthat wasn't who I wanted, it was
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the relationship wasn't what Iwanted, it wasn't me.
And then, from that moment ofhaving nothing because I had
already sold my house in London,got rid of everything, bought
an apartment in Brazil, so I hadalready reshuffled my life and
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then I was at this point whereall that I had planned went down
the drain and I had to thinklast minute of plan B.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I don't mean to laugh or giggle at the pain, right,
but it's so funny how life doesthis, right?
And if you're listening, Ireally want you to just be
reminded of Anna's truth.
It's sometimes you plan stuffand the universe goes no, that's
not what's going to happen.
And you know, I planned my lifefor myself to a certain extent
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and the universe picked me upand put me somewhere else.
I'm like, no, you're not doingthat.
And I was like, oh, and it wasscary, right, it's scary when
your plans are taken away andreshuffled by something bigger
than yourself, meaning life.
And it can be really humbling tohave your life reshuffled
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without your permission, becausethat's what it felt like with
me, right?
I don't know if that's, andthat's why I laugh, because I
felt like my life was reshuffledwithout my permission, but I
had to just accept it, right,because that's what happened.
So you know, in my case it waspicking up, coming to Spain,
looking after my family, lookingafter my parents, treating my
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dad before he ended up makinghis transition.
It was a blessing in disguise,but I never planned on remaining
or staying.
But that's what's happened and,very much like your story, your
plans went right out the window.
Life had other plans for you.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Exactly and it just highlights to me the importance
of acceptance.
You know, mindfulness.
It's a big thing for me In mypractice, in what I teach, in
what I, how I live my life, tosort of always tip back into the
sort of the practice of beingpresent, to what it is, the
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acceptance of what it is,letting go, recognizing and
letting go of what is not, sojust sort of tipping back into
that, you know, and how lifejust went like whoo and I had to
think I was working.
So part of the work that I dois to work for sort of very
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high-end hotels and resorts andI bring in workshops and I work
as an osteopath, as a naturopath, so I use all my skills within
this sort of you know, sort ofbeautiful, amazing place.
And at the time I was in Oman.
I was in Muscat in Oman and Iwas doing a gig there for a
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month and I thought I just needto, I need to find the plan B.
Now, what is the plan B?
So I made a list of things thatI needed from the next place,
the place I wanted to be,because I had this opportunity
to rewrite my story.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yes, so you were.
So Brexit was happening.
You were doing a month-longworkshop or placement in a
luxurious resort and you werethinking to yourself Brexit's
happening, I can't be in Englandmuch longer.
So that was your opportunity torewrite what you wanted.
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So what did you rewrite?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yes.
So I thought I'm going to goand live in Portugal, which I
speak, the language, it'sculture that perhaps is similar
to mine.
I don't know much about it.
I'm going to explore.
So I made a plan.
I had just one vision for me bythe 31st of January 2020,
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brexit Day that it took place Iwas going to be living in Europe
Because I wanted to be inEurope and that was the most
strong thing for me.
I wanted to remain in Europe.
So I made that plan and as Iwas going through this list, a
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little pop-up screen cameMadeira Island, and I was like
oh, madeira.
Never heard of Madeira.
Actually, I had heard, but itwas never like somewhere that I
would think of going.
It's a Portuguese island.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That looks like Hawaii, if you don't know.
Basically, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
It is.
It is like the it is Hawaiiwithin Europe.
But I didn't know.
So I made a plan.
I came back from Oman in themorning five o'clock in the
morning, arrived 12 o'clock inthe afternoon.
The same day I came to Madeira.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
So you got on a flight.
So wait a minute, did you flyto London to go and then take
another flight to Madeira?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Okay, same day, same day, because I had two weeks to
sort myself Within my vision andI came to Madeira, where I'm
talking to you from today, andin that weekend that I was here,
I decided that I would move toMadeira and I rented an
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apartment and that was it, notknowing that COVID would strike
less than two months after thatand I would be in this island on
my own, totally.
With no family with no friends,nothing because it's all new and
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grieving from a broken heart,from so many aspects of my life,
and that was the best decisionI've taken in my life so far.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Isn't that interesting.
There's two things here that Ithink that the audience may
really appreciate.
Number one the intensity ofyour desire for change and
transformation.
Yes, because if you stay whereyou are, you're not growing and
sometimes you need to shiftwhere you are or change your
environment so that you can growinto the new you and life will
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sometimes challenge you and testyou, but really it's just
helping you become more strongerversion of yourself, more
resilient version of yourself,so you can grow into that
version.
And sometimes that growing atleast in my own experience is
sometimes very uncomfortablebecause growing like when you're
a child or you're growing intoa bigger body you know there's
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movement, there's more energybeing required and it's
uncomfortable growing.
So what happened during COVIDfor you?
Because you had all thesechallenges right, you made the
move, you got the apartment and,by the way, this particular you
know.
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I'm hoping this resonates withthe audience here because it's
just a bit of a understandingthat what you think is a
straightforward plan Isn'talways a straightforward plan.
You know there will be twistsand turns along the way, but
life will still have your backdespite all those twists and
turns.
And I always want to saysometimes of those little pain
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spots that you get.
It will still have your back,and Anna's story is basically a
wonderful example andinspiration of that.
So what happened next?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
So, as you're saying, you know, and from an
osteopathic point of view, sortof growing hurts, yeah, we get
the growing pains and thestretch and the move and and I
love your sort of words sayingthat life does not go in a
straight line, that it goesaround, and we have to go with
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that flow always, or try anyways.
So, um, covid came and I wasalone in Madeira and for the
first time in my life I wascompletely alone and I had the
opportunity to be with myselfand discover who I was as a
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person and reconnect to who I amin my essence and allow
everything else that came aslayers in my life to to work
through.
But of course, with that came alot of pain, because it came
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the realization of the pasttraumas that I had as a child.
I've always been the resilientchild in the family who will be
like no, I'm looking after, I'mmanaging, I'm, I'm strong, I'm
doing, you know, like, and I hadalways this posture of like you
know the superhero in thesuperhero T-shirt on, but deep
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down inside you're covering thevulnerable heart, right?
Yes, and and it was I was not.
I was not allowing myself to tobring in the vulnerability
because that felt like weaknessto me.
But towards the end of 2020, II had COVID and I almost died
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from COVID.
I had one very dramatic nightwhere I could not breathe and I
got the sort of the cytokinestorm.
You know the people who knows abit more of science thing that
where your body it's fightingagainst itself and it's either
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either or you're going to liveor you're going to die there.
Yeah, and it was that time thatyou went to hospital.
They would anticipate youdidn't know what, what would be
your end.
You may go out of that very wellor not, but in my opinion, at
that time, it was more about mylife here and my life going
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forward and how I wanted to be.
So I remember one night that Ispent.
It was the night that I saythat I died.
I passed away.
The old me died on that nightand I spent the whole night on
my head was like burning in fire.
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I was in this little apartmentin London and it was the same
bar, and I was this in tinylittle apartment that I rented
and I spent the whole nightsitting with eyes in my head and
listening to a cat, the powerof now, and I, literally I could
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.
I didn't go to sleep because Ithought if I would sleep that
night I would never wake up.
Yeah, so I kept awake and fromthat night, when I, when the day
came, true it was it has beensort of a different path, a
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different feeling of life to me.
And the fear is not that I'mnot fearful, I am fearful, I'm
still fearful, but I'm notfearful of telling people that I
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am fearful.
My vulnerability is allowedback, my childish love for the
world, it's allowed back.
I don't mind being silly, Idon't mind being looked at as
ridiculous.
It's like I'm just going to gofor it, I'm going to go for life
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.
And then it came all sorts ofdiscomfort within that.
A lot of discomfort because, ofcourse, everything comes up,
comes to the surface.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
It's almost like when we try and push those heavy
feelings away, we're trying toprotect.
We have these protective layersso that it doesn't hurt
ourselves or our energy.
We can close our heart orwhatever.
You're putting on all theseprotective layers to help you
being vulnerable or to stop youbeing vulnerable, to stop you
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feeling being hurt in the worldexternally.
But what you said I reallyreally like and it mirrors a
little bit of my story when Ihad my own near-death experience
, which was, you know, you wantto come back as, like a child
that isn't afraid to feel allthese emotions, because that's
what we are.
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Right, we're human beings and Iguess one of the gifts of life
that makes us unusual and amiracle to be here is that this
physical life allows us to feelall these different emotions.
And I believe like I don't knowfor sure, but I feel like this
has come up several times inmeditation it's like I believe
that once you do part from thisphysical world and your spirit
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moves on and your soul continues, although not in this physical
form, I really firmly believe,although I can't prove it is
that you kind of ask you know,did you enjoy that experience?
And you'll be like well,sometimes, you know, sometimes,
and sometimes it was reallyheavy and then.
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But if you only lived in aplace where it was all sunshine,
lollipops and roses andrainbows the whole time, you'd
never get to experience thevariety.
And so sometimes those heaviermoments just allow you to really
focus on what's important, soyou can return back to that
purest state of being.
Now, it's not to say that we'realways there, but it's nice to
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know it exists.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And you can always tap into it, always.
And I think the biggestlearning to know sort of the
undulation of life, highs andlows, highs and lows, but also
that nothing is frequent,nothing is certain.
You know we can plan, we candesire and we can manifest as
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well.
I'm a big sort of believer inbig manifesto, but we also have
a path and the life will take usthrough that.
So how do we experience thatpath?
How do we experience from A towhatever B is, and not the
arrival at B, it's like how dowe go about?
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And that, for me, has changed.
And that's one of the thingsthat I in my work today actually
not just my work in my everydaylife, in my interaction with
people, with friends, withfamily, I try to bring that to
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the surface.
How do you experience whateverit is?
It's hard, it's painful.
How I experience that?
Do I lean into it?
Do I feel it?
Do I let it work?
It's whatever needs to workthrough so I can learn, roll and
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move.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I'm kind of lost for words for a little bit, because
that's like a beautiful littlemeditation right there and I
think Anna's words really sortof allow us to become present,
to realising that life is adance, it is a movement and we
are all part of this cosmicdance and sometimes it makes
sense and sometimes it makes nosense.
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Sometimes a breakup makes nosense.
Sometimes being put in a newcountry makes no sense.
Sometimes a political dividemakes no sense and it forces you
to move.
Sometimes moving to a newcountry makes no sense because
you have no idea where you'regoing to go and at the beginning
it's very uncomfortable.
But eventually all of thesethings will make sense and it
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will only be when you cast youreyes back and you're living in a
future now that you can go.
ah, that will make sense now,but it doesn't whilst it's
unfolding, because you cannotsee the bigger picture.
And I think, sometimes, whenyou, what I love talking to you
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about and what you've spokenabout today is this new
perspective.
You know, having the biggerperspective allows you to not
necessarily understand everystep of the way, but to
understand that there is abigger picture that maybe you
cannot see just yet.
But if you can have some dailyhabits, if you can have some
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practices, if you can contributeto the world in an uplifting
way, then maybe you get to rideon this thermal where you get to
see the bigger picture.
More often than not and Ialways try to live there, but
every so often I dip and justlike everybody else.
But that's why we start theshow by saying, helping you tune
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and tap into your natural stateof wellbeing.
That's the thermal I'm talkingabout, that's that natural high
I'm referring to, and you saidit's so eloquently with your
words a moment or two ago.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
We're here for a purpose and now, like, for
example, I am in the second halfof my life and this is the time
where so the first half, Ilearned, I grew, I heard, I
moved, I kind of you know likeeverything was, and now it
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really is like you know, I don't, it's like the phoenix and I
was kind of okay, so you can nowjust show and help help be
itself.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
And I've got to ask you this because this is really
interesting for me, like as acurious human being what is your
?
The help, the helping, what'sthat given you?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Love that?
That's such a good question.
It gives me so much joy.
It gives me joy, it makes myeyes twinkle, it gives me the
warm feeling in my body, itgives me purpose, it gives me
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love.
Yeah, back, I feel, I feelloved.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
When you're helping people, you feel loved.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I feel loved, yeah.
Yeah, it's interesting, but yes, I feel loved.
Yeah, and it's nice to feelloved.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I feel, when I'm helping, like when I'm doing
these podcasts, even though Idon't know who is helping lots
of people write in I mean, it'smore often than not nowadays,
which is lovely, and people Idon't know, nice, but I feel
protected.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Protected, I feel protected.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Because I have this little thing that I wrote out
and it says when you take careof God's business, God will take
care of yours, and I was likethat's never a true word and
I've actually lived that bylooking after my mom and looking
after my dad, and my wholeexperience prior to that was get
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, get, get.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
How are you to see?
How are you to see?
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Get, give right.
Give, give, give Don't get, get, get, give, give.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I think I'm going to have to write that down, because
I was really that's a good one,that's a very good one, you
know, because?
That's huge for me because youknow, like with modelling, I've
had some fantastic successes,I've had some fantastic projects
(36:29):
and working with amazing people, but ultimately, at some level
of my ego being, it was if I getthat, then I can get, then I
can go there and I can do that.
It's only if I can accumulatethen I can do it.
And it was just so such a youknow dog chasing its tail When's
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the agent going to call youknow when's it going to do this?
But it was only when I actuallywent straight into my dad needs
my help.
I'm going drop everything, dropall your projects, drop all
your work, even if it's paid,drop it all.
Go and help your father, go andhelp your mother Drop it.
Took a weekend bag.
You know the story.
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That weekend bag was fivemonths A lot COVID.
A lot Give, give, give, give.
And then the day that my daddied, I was like mum, I'm
staying, I'm not going backuntil you are where you need to
be.
What do you want?
And that was three years Give,give, give.
And in that time I feltprotected, cared for abundantly,
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provided for, had all my needsmet abundantly, and I still
couldn't figure out, like what'sactually happening.
And it was because of the give,give, give.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
It's so inspiring and it's like you know it's.
All these things you know cansound so cliche because we hear
the da, the, da, da, da, butauthentically, like the way
you're saying, because youexperienced it, you felt it, it
needs to be said, needs to beheard.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
But I just want to say I love talking to you and I
could talk to you for hours.
It's just so easy to talk toyou and I just want to say,
Hannah, thank you so much forcoming on the show and sharing
your wisdom, your, yourknowledge, your open heart, just
sharing your, even your, yourtroubles and daring to be
vulnerable, because it's noteasy to be vulnerable and expose
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yourself, but it's the onlyplace where freedom really
exists.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yes.
So thank you.
Thank you for giving me thisopportunity to to be here, to be
present, to tell my story, andand also thank you for your
sister to introduce both of us.
I just want to say thank youagain for her, and it's been
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such a pleasure to be here, andI hope my story can inspire
people and and just be present,just be there, just be present
and live it.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Thanks for tuning in.
In this episode I'm speaking to Osteopath Natropath,
Health and Wellness Coach andmodern day healer, Ana Matos.
Ana's journey comes from humblebeginnings in Sao Paulo, Brazil
, to helping five-star clientsin the most luxurious resorts
and retreats all over the world.
Enjoy the conversation.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's lovely to be with you here.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's so easy, okay, well, hello and welcome to the
James Grant from PodcastSuperSoul Model Series, where I
help people tune and tap intotheir natural state of
well-being.
This week's guest is anincredible human being and her
name is Ana Matos.
Ana is a highly experiencedhealth and wellness practitioner
with over two decades ofexpertise and experience in
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osteopathic medicine,naturopathy, breath work,
mindfulness, meditation andhealth and wellness counseling.
Originally from Brazil, ana'sstory is very inspiring and
she's managed to create a verysuccessful life and business for
herself from humble beginnings.
This week's SuperSoul Model isAna Matos.
(01:15):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Thank you very much.
Thanks for having me here.
It's very exciting to be herewith you and to participate of
your show, so thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Ana, absolutely so, ana.
I randomly met Ana and I don'tbelieve in random coincidences
anymore, but Ana actuallytreated and was a practitioner
for my sister and her kids backin London and my sister said I
think you really need to meetAna.
There is something very specialabout this lady that you need
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to meet, and I'm quite an openbook and any of the audience
that's listening in.
Sometimes we get inspired tomeet people and we think, yeah,
you're not quite sure what it'sgoing to be.
But when I first met Ana, I waslike this is a human being with
a lot of light, a lot of energy, and I could just tell from
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even my own experience of likebeing in the wellness space.
I was like this person isliving and breathing her work
and I was blessed to meet her ina beautiful hotel here in
Marbella and that is how ourpaths came across and I said Ana
, you have got to come and shareyour story on the show because
it is such an inspiring story.
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So here you are.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I just want to thank you to my sister for introducing
us, because Ana really walksher talk, and that's what the
world needs.
And that's what this podcast isall about.
It's trying to share with uspeople who are wonderful role
models, who are walking theirtalk in integrity, and that's
exactly what you do, ana.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Thank you, Thank you so much.
This morning, when I was doingmy practice, just my sort of
self care practice of themorning, I was thinking of the
day that we met and how we metand how there was like no
expectations.
And when you walked into thehotel and I saw you, I just I
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just needed to hug you and youdid the same and it was just.
You know, it was like meetingthis wonderful person.
It was so.
I just want to acknowledge youas a wonderful person as well
and, you know, I think it was ameeting of souls, like you also
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walk your talk and and I thinkwe recognize that on each other.
So, thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh, that's a pleasure , and I would also, you know, I
have to thank my sister as well,because she doesn't, you know,
hand out like I'll go and see myfriend or whatever.
She doesn't do that, and sowhen she did that, I was like,
okay, well, this, she must besomeone special, right?
And you know, that's why Iappreciate and I recognize them
that in you immediately.
But what I wanted to share andparticularly share with the
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audience, ana, is yourbeginnings of becoming a
wellness practitioner, and youknow helping high net worth
clients with regards toosteopathic medicine and what
you're doing, going around theworld into these amazing spas
and hotels and having yourprivate practice.
You know what led you to this,what led you to this life,
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because there was a point intime when you didn't speak any
English at all.
So, you know, tell us a littlebit about your journey and you
know, if someone's listening,anything is possible, because
you are a living example ofshowing people that things are
possible when there is no wayand no how.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Wow, yes, so starting .
So I'm a child, working classchild, from Brazil.
My parents were very troubled,you know alcoholic father,
narcissistic mother had allsorts of problems with siblings.
I had a sibling that wasautistic.
(05:15):
So we were sort of very humbleand troubled early beginnings.
But me as a person on my journey, there's some extra layers to
that.
You know, coming from Brazil insort of early 70s, 80s, a lot
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of racism actually is still alot of racism around in Brazil,
in the world and so on.
But that aside, I experiencedquite a lot of racism as a child
and also a little bit of comingfrom a very patronizing family.
(06:00):
Like you are a woman, youshouldn't, you couldn't, you
don't, and then having to fightthrough all of those layers and
coming out of that, I was veryfortunate to fall in love with
someone I met and went to NewZealand and that was like they
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stepped forward to what I needed.
So I was, as a child, I wasvery interested in spirituality.
I was very connected to mygreat-grandmother who was the
healer.
Was the village?
Well, village, st Paul is not avillage, but she was.
St Paul is one of the biggestcities in the world.
Exactly.
But she was the local healerRight and I remember, you know,
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as a very, very little child,you know, going to visit her and
she had like cues of peoplewaiting for her to say her words
.
You know people would gatheraround her and she would talk
and give them herbs and justliterally give the healing and I
would just be with her.
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I can actually feel, just as Italk to you, I can feel the
energy now coming in.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
So it's kind of like this beautiful, like passing
down a legacy of energy fromyour grandmother to you.
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
That's exactly what I'm saying.
You know, as I talk and I evokeher name and her, I can
actually feel the energetic sortof surroundings increasing.
So I'm grateful to that.
But going forward and notmaking my story too long, I went
to live in New Zealand.
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I started to learn aboutdifferent things and sort of got
connected to science and withinthe sort of more westernized
world I personally myselfcreated this idea where it had
to be science-based, proven andotherwise it wouldn't be
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accepted.
So for a long time I was livingwithin that.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So you're living in this kind of logical world where
there is nothing else exceptfor the facts?
Is that what you're saying?
Very much Science is great.
I mean, it allows us to reallyunderstand how things work.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
So what led you into this wellness path?
What was the story for you tofind this understanding?
Because when you're talkingabout I can evoke the feeling of
my grandma in my body.
To listen to this, that mightfeel really strange, but if
you're not understanding energyand how it works, it might feel
very alien to some people, butto you it seems very normal.
(09:01):
So how did that sort of allcome about?
Because I know that inosteopathic medicine and when
you're treating the body, you'retreating the body for the pain
and some of the symptoms thatare going on.
But you've discovered thatthere's more going on than just
the body.
And so when you're talkingabout your grandma, you can feel
it right.
You can feel her spirit or herenergy pulsating through you.
(09:25):
But if you're not that type ofperson, how do you tap into that
?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yes, well, that's a great question.
So for me it was pretty much asyou described either here or
here the in-between, it wasalmost like there was not an
acceptance for it, because therewas the need to prove myself
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within the scientific world, youknow, coming from that
background where you wouldn't beable to do anything or be
anything.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
There's no credibility.
So you want to be crediblethrough science.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Exactly so.
I attached myself for a longtime within that and I wouldn't
allow or I couldn't see I wasn'tin touch with the other side of
who I am, who is an energeticbeing, who is a spiritual being,
and how that could blendtogether and work beautifully at
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a human level to improve ourown, my and other people's human
experience of life.
So I don't know if I'm answeringyour question properly, but how
it came to me was through aseries of traumas or
realizations of traumas, andhaving to go deep, like a
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divorce, a sort of very dramaticbreakup, breaking up from a
country that I really loved andthen going to another country.
So this is the sort of fourthtime I move around the world,
but rediscovering that actuallyhome is here with me, in me, and
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also that I can be all of that.
I can have the science, theknowledge, the scientific prove
and I can also be spiritual,energetic and I can blend all of
that with my work.
So that's how it came about forme to sort of restart.
(11:52):
Restart my life was likeresearch restart, which started
in 2019, very much.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
OK, so tell us a little bit what happened in 2019
, because everybody who'slistening is going to have to
restart or reset again and again, and again.
And one thing I always like toremind myself of in my own
journey, which can be quitehumorous, but it doesn't feel
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like it when you're goingthrough it, but when you fast
forward a bit you can look backand laugh.
That's why I love Shakespeare'squote, which is life is but a
comedy of errors and it justmakes you look at life with a
little bit more life, with alittle bit more lightheartedness
.
And when I look at it, at myown trials and tribulations, I
can look back and have a goodold chuckle about them.
But during the time when I wasgoing through it, I was like, oh
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, this feels really heavy, butthere was always in life a
series of resets and restarts,and today, when you wake up,
could be a new chance for areset, and today is a new
opportunity.
But in 2019, take us back tosomething that you've shared
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with me before that you canshare with the audience about
what happened to you for yournext restart, because that was
quite significant for you.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It was.
It was.
So two things happened.
I don't intend to be politicalor to get political or anything,
but for me it was verysignificant.
Brexit was one of the things.
It was the little fire therethat kind of went like oh where
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am I and what am I?
Why am I here?
Am I in the right place?
Am I doing the right thing?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Because you were living in London, right.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well, I was living in London, right, and even in
London for a very long period oftime, like 20 plus years, and I
still love London.
London is one of my veryfavorite cities in the whole
world and I love it.
But it was everything about mylife within England and London
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and it was like who am I, whatam I living, what can I do to
going forward?
Because I used to say, in 10years time, I want to do this,
in the future, I want to do this, and then it would never happen
.
And that was the first thing.
And then I had a breakup, sortof very sad breakup, with
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someone who I loved and weintend to move to live in two
different countries.
We had a whole idea of what todo or not to do, and then I
realized, sort of kind of lastminute, that it wasn't what I
wanted.
You know, it's not the personthat wasn't who I wanted, it was
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the relationship wasn't what Iwanted, it wasn't me.
And then, from that moment ofhaving nothing because I had
already sold my house in London,got rid of everything, bought
an apartment in Brazil, so I hadalready reshuffled my life and
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then I was at this point whereall that I had planned went down
the drain and I had to thinklast minute of plan B.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I don't mean to laugh or giggle at the pain, right,
but it's so funny how life doesthis, right?
And if you're listening, Ireally want you to just be
reminded of Anna's truth.
It's sometimes you plan stuffand the universe goes no, that's
not what's going to happen.
And you know, I planned my lifefor myself to a certain extent
(15:56):
and the universe picked me upand put me somewhere else.
I'm like, no, you're not doingthat.
And I was like, oh, and it wasscary, right, it's scary when
your plans are taken away andreshuffled by something bigger
than yourself, meaning life.
And it can be really humbling tohave your life reshuffled
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without your permission, becausethat's what it felt like with
me, right?
I don't know if that's, andthat's why I laugh, because I
felt like my life was reshuffledwithout my permission, but I
had to just accept it, right,because that's what happened.
So you know, in my case it waspicking up, coming to Spain,
looking after my family, lookingafter my parents, treating my
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dad before he ended up makinghis transition.
It was a blessing in disguise,but I never planned on remaining
or staying.
But that's what's happened and,very much like your story, your
plans went right out the window.
Life had other plans for you.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Exactly and it just highlights to me the importance
of acceptance.
You know, mindfulness.
It's a big thing for me In mypractice, in what I teach, in
what I, how I live my life, tosort of always tip back into the
sort of the practice of beingpresent, to what it is, the
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acceptance of what it is,letting go, recognizing and
letting go of what is not, sojust sort of tipping back into
that, you know, and how lifejust went like whoo and I had to
think I was working.
So part of the work that I dois to work for sort of very
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high-end hotels and resorts andI bring in workshops and I work
as an osteopath, as a naturopath, so I use all my skills within
this sort of you know, sort ofbeautiful, amazing place.
And at the time I was in Oman.
I was in Muscat in Oman and Iwas doing a gig there for a
(18:08):
month and I thought I just needto, I need to find the plan B.
Now, what is the plan B?
So I made a list of things thatI needed from the next place,
the place I wanted to be,because I had this opportunity
to rewrite my story.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yes, so you were.
So Brexit was happening.
You were doing a month-longworkshop or placement in a
luxurious resort and you werethinking to yourself Brexit's
happening, I can't be in Englandmuch longer.
So that was your opportunity torewrite what you wanted.
(18:50):
So what did you rewrite?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yes.
So I thought I'm going to goand live in Portugal, which I
speak, the language, it'sculture that perhaps is similar
to mine.
I don't know much about it.
I'm going to explore.
So I made a plan.
I had just one vision for me bythe 31st of January 2020,
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brexit Day that it took place Iwas going to be living in Europe
Because I wanted to be inEurope and that was the most
strong thing for me.
I wanted to remain in Europe.
So I made that plan and as Iwas going through this list, a
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little pop-up screen cameMadeira Island, and I was like
oh, madeira.
Never heard of Madeira.
Actually, I had heard, but itwas never like somewhere that I
would think of going.
It's a Portuguese island.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That looks like Hawaii, if you don't know.
Basically, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
It is.
It is like the it is Hawaiiwithin Europe.
But I didn't know.
So I made a plan.
I came back from Oman in themorning five o'clock in the
morning, arrived 12 o'clock inthe afternoon.
The same day I came to Madeira.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
So you got on a flight.
So wait a minute, did you flyto London to go and then take
another flight to Madeira?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Okay, same day, same day, because I had two weeks to
sort myself Within my vision andI came to Madeira, where I'm
talking to you from today, andin that weekend that I was here,
I decided that I would move toMadeira and I rented an
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apartment and that was it, notknowing that COVID would strike
less than two months after thatand I would be in this island on
my own, totally.
With no family with no friends,nothing because it's all new and
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grieving from a broken heart,from so many aspects of my life,
and that was the best decisionI've taken in my life so far.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Isn't that interesting.
There's two things here that Ithink that the audience may
really appreciate.
Number one the intensity ofyour desire for change and
transformation.
Yes, because if you stay whereyou are, you're not growing and
sometimes you need to shiftwhere you are or change your
environment so that you can growinto the new you and life will
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sometimes challenge you and testyou, but really it's just
helping you become more strongerversion of yourself, more
resilient version of yourself,so you can grow into that
version.
And sometimes that growing atleast in my own experience is
sometimes very uncomfortablebecause growing like when you're
a child or you're growing intoa bigger body you know there's
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movement, there's more energybeing required and it's
uncomfortable growing.
So what happened during COVIDfor you?
Because you had all thesechallenges right, you made the
move, you got the apartment and,by the way, this particular you
know.
(22:30):
I'm hoping this resonates withthe audience here because it's
just a bit of a understandingthat what you think is a
straightforward plan Isn'talways a straightforward plan.
You know there will be twistsand turns along the way, but
life will still have your backdespite all those twists and
turns.
And I always want to saysometimes of those little pain
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spots that you get.
It will still have your back,and Anna's story is basically a
wonderful example andinspiration of that.
So what happened next?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
So, as you're saying, you know, and from an
osteopathic point of view, sortof growing hurts, yeah, we get
the growing pains and thestretch and the move and and I
love your sort of words sayingthat life does not go in a
straight line, that it goesaround, and we have to go with
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that flow always, or try anyways.
So, um, covid came and I wasalone in Madeira and for the
first time in my life I wascompletely alone and I had the
opportunity to be with myselfand discover who I was as a
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person and reconnect to who I amin my essence and allow
everything else that came aslayers in my life to to work
through.
But of course, with that came alot of pain, because it came
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the realization of the pasttraumas that I had as a child.
I've always been the resilientchild in the family who will be
like no, I'm looking after, I'mmanaging, I'm, I'm strong, I'm
doing, you know, like, and I hadalways this posture of like you
know the superhero in thesuperhero T-shirt on, but deep
(24:32):
down inside you're covering thevulnerable heart, right?
Yes, and and it was I was not.
I was not allowing myself to tobring in the vulnerability
because that felt like weaknessto me.
But towards the end of 2020, II had COVID and I almost died
(24:58):
from COVID.
I had one very dramatic nightwhere I could not breathe and I
got the sort of the cytokinestorm.
You know the people who knows abit more of science thing that
where your body it's fightingagainst itself and it's either
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either or you're going to liveor you're going to die there.
Yeah, and it was that time thatyou went to hospital.
They would anticipate youdidn't know what, what would be
your end.
You may go out of that very wellor not, but in my opinion, at
that time, it was more about mylife here and my life going
(25:47):
forward and how I wanted to be.
So I remember one night that Ispent.
It was the night that I saythat I died.
I passed away.
The old me died on that nightand I spent the whole night on
my head was like burning in fire.
(26:08):
I was in this little apartmentin London and it was the same
bar, and I was this in tinylittle apartment that I rented
and I spent the whole nightsitting with eyes in my head and
listening to a cat, the powerof now, and I, literally I could
(26:33):
.
I didn't go to sleep because Ithought if I would sleep that
night I would never wake up.
Yeah, so I kept awake and fromthat night, when I, when the day
came, true it was it has beensort of a different path, a
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different feeling of life to me.
And the fear is not that I'mnot fearful, I am fearful, I'm
still fearful, but I'm notfearful of telling people that I
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am fearful.
My vulnerability is allowedback, my childish love for the
world, it's allowed back.
I don't mind being silly, Idon't mind being looked at as
ridiculous.
It's like I'm just going to gofor it, I'm going to go for life
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.
And then it came all sorts ofdiscomfort within that.
A lot of discomfort because, ofcourse, everything comes up,
comes to the surface.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
It's almost like when we try and push those heavy
feelings away, we're trying toprotect.
We have these protective layersso that it doesn't hurt
ourselves or our energy.
We can close our heart orwhatever.
You're putting on all theseprotective layers to help you
being vulnerable or to stop youbeing vulnerable, to stop you
(28:15):
feeling being hurt in the worldexternally.
But what you said I reallyreally like and it mirrors a
little bit of my story when Ihad my own near-death experience
, which was, you know, you wantto come back as, like a child
that isn't afraid to feel allthese emotions, because that's
what we are.
(28:35):
Right, we're human beings and Iguess one of the gifts of life
that makes us unusual and amiracle to be here is that this
physical life allows us to feelall these different emotions.
And I believe like I don't knowfor sure, but I feel like this
has come up several times inmeditation it's like I believe
that once you do part from thisphysical world and your spirit
(28:58):
moves on and your soul continues, although not in this physical
form, I really firmly believe,although I can't prove it is
that you kind of ask you know,did you enjoy that experience?
And you'll be like well,sometimes, you know, sometimes,
and sometimes it was reallyheavy and then.
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But if you only lived in aplace where it was all sunshine,
lollipops and roses andrainbows the whole time, you'd
never get to experience thevariety.
And so sometimes those heaviermoments just allow you to really
focus on what's important, soyou can return back to that
purest state of being.
Now, it's not to say that we'realways there, but it's nice to
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know it exists.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And you can always tap into it, always.
And I think the biggestlearning to know sort of the
undulation of life, highs andlows, highs and lows, but also
that nothing is frequent,nothing is certain.
You know we can plan, we candesire and we can manifest as
(30:13):
well.
I'm a big sort of believer inbig manifesto, but we also have
a path and the life will take usthrough that.
So how do we experience thatpath?
How do we experience from A towhatever B is, and not the
arrival at B, it's like how dowe go about?
(30:36):
And that, for me, has changed.
And that's one of the thingsthat I in my work today actually
not just my work in my everydaylife, in my interaction with
people, with friends, withfamily, I try to bring that to
(30:57):
the surface.
How do you experience whateverit is?
It's hard, it's painful.
How I experience that?
Do I lean into it?
Do I feel it?
Do I let it work?
It's whatever needs to workthrough so I can learn, roll and
(31:18):
move.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I'm kind of lost for words for a little bit, because
that's like a beautiful littlemeditation right there and I
think Anna's words really sortof allow us to become present,
to realising that life is adance, it is a movement and we
are all part of this cosmicdance and sometimes it makes
sense and sometimes it makes nosense.
(31:46):
Sometimes a breakup makes nosense.
Sometimes being put in a newcountry makes no sense.
Sometimes a political dividemakes no sense and it forces you
to move.
Sometimes moving to a newcountry makes no sense because
you have no idea where you'regoing to go and at the beginning
it's very uncomfortable.
But eventually all of thesethings will make sense and it
(32:10):
will only be when you cast youreyes back and you're living in a
future now that you can go.
ah, that will make sense now,but it doesn't whilst it's
unfolding, because you cannotsee the bigger picture.
And I think, sometimes, whenyou, what I love talking to you
(32:31):
about and what you've spokenabout today is this new
perspective.
You know, having the biggerperspective allows you to not
necessarily understand everystep of the way, but to
understand that there is abigger picture that maybe you
cannot see just yet.
But if you can have some dailyhabits, if you can have some
(32:52):
practices, if you can contributeto the world in an uplifting
way, then maybe you get to rideon this thermal where you get to
see the bigger picture.
More often than not and Ialways try to live there, but
every so often I dip and justlike everybody else.
But that's why we start theshow by saying, helping you tune
(33:14):
and tap into your natural stateof wellbeing.
That's the thermal I'm talkingabout, that's that natural high
I'm referring to, and you saidit's so eloquently with your
words a moment or two ago.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
We're here for a purpose and now, like, for
example, I am in the second halfof my life and this is the time
where so the first half, Ilearned, I grew, I heard, I
moved, I kind of you know likeeverything was, and now it
(33:49):
really is like you know, I don't, it's like the phoenix and I
was kind of okay, so you can nowjust show and help help be
itself.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
And I've got to ask you this because this is really
interesting for me, like as acurious human being what is your
?
The help, the helping, what'sthat given you?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Love that?
That's such a good question.
It gives me so much joy.
It gives me joy, it makes myeyes twinkle, it gives me the
warm feeling in my body, itgives me purpose, it gives me
(34:46):
love.
Yeah, back, I feel, I feelloved.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
When you're helping people, you feel loved.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I feel loved, yeah.
Yeah, it's interesting, but yes, I feel loved.
Yeah, and it's nice to feelloved.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I feel, when I'm helping, like when I'm doing
these podcasts, even though Idon't know who is helping lots
of people write in I mean, it'smore often than not nowadays,
which is lovely, and people Idon't know, nice, but I feel
protected.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Protected, I feel protected.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Because I have this little thing that I wrote out
and it says when you take careof God's business, God will take
care of yours, and I was likethat's never a true word and
I've actually lived that bylooking after my mom and looking
after my dad, and my wholeexperience prior to that was get
(35:54):
, get, get.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
How are you to see?
How are you to see?
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Get, give right.
Give, give, give Don't get, get, get, give, give.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I think I'm going to have to write that down, because
I was really that's a good one,that's a very good one, you
know, because?
That's huge for me because youknow, like with modelling, I've
had some fantastic successes,I've had some fantastic projects
(36:29):
and working with amazing people, but ultimately, at some level
of my ego being, it was if I getthat, then I can get, then I
can go there and I can do that.
It's only if I can accumulatethen I can do it.
And it was just so such a youknow dog chasing its tail When's
(36:50):
the agent going to call youknow when's it going to do this?
But it was only when I actuallywent straight into my dad needs
my help.
I'm going drop everything, dropall your projects, drop all
your work, even if it's paid,drop it all.
Go and help your father, go andhelp your mother Drop it.
Took a weekend bag.
You know the story.
(37:11):
That weekend bag was fivemonths A lot COVID.
A lot Give, give, give, give.
And then the day that my daddied, I was like mum, I'm
staying, I'm not going backuntil you are where you need to
be.
What do you want?
And that was three years Give,give, give.
And in that time I feltprotected, cared for abundantly,
(37:34):
provided for, had all my needsmet abundantly, and I still
couldn't figure out, like what'sactually happening.
And it was because of the give,give, give.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
It's so inspiring and it's like you know it's.
All these things you know cansound so cliche because we hear
the da, the, da, da, da, butauthentically, like the way
you're saying, because youexperienced it, you felt it, it
needs to be said, needs to beheard.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
But I just want to say I love talking to you and I
could talk to you for hours.
It's just so easy to talk toyou and I just want to say,
Hannah, thank you so much forcoming on the show and sharing
your wisdom, your, yourknowledge, your open heart, just
sharing your, even your, yourtroubles and daring to be
vulnerable, because it's noteasy to be vulnerable and expose
(38:33):
yourself, but it's the onlyplace where freedom really
exists.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yes.
So thank you.
Thank you for giving me thisopportunity to to be here, to be
present, to tell my story, andand also thank you for your
sister to introduce both of us.
I just want to say thank youagain for her, and it's been
(39:01):
such a pleasure to be here, andI hope my story can inspire
people and and just be present,just be there, just be present
and live it.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Thanks for tuning in.
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