August 15, 2025 • 68 mins
Welcome to an engaging episode of Bare Bones Banter with Chris, Sarah, and Becca from The Mental Funny Bone podcast. This week features an enlightening conversation with Kevin White, founder of the Believe Crew. Kevin shares the poignant personal experiences that led him to establish his coaching and consulting collective. The hosts delve into the essential values and methods that guide Kevin's work, including healing emotional wounds and empowering self-leadership. The episode combines humor, insightful discussions on the importance of continuous self-work, and explores how different spiritual and psychological insights such as chakras and human design can aid in personal growth. Listeners get a peek into Kevin's unique journey and the innovative ways his team supports their clients in uncovering their true gifts and purpose.
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Hello and welcome to Bare BonesBanter with The Mental Funny
Bone.
I'm Chris, and I'm here asalways with my sister, Sarah and
Becca, the intern.
And this week we have a specialguest, uh, Kevin White, uh, the
founder of Belief Crew.
And Kevin is here to talk to usabout his organization and how
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he got started and some of thethings that he's interested in
doing and, uh, and how that kindof relates to what we do at our
podcast.
Um, so you guys, I will give aquick intro about Belief Crew
and then I have a series ofquestions to ask Kevin and, uh,
you know, just to, just to givea little shout out to Becca and
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Sarah.
Thank you for letting me do thetalking at the beginning.
It makes me feel very important.
I appreciate it.
You're doing such a good job.
That's so much better than Iever do with a script.
'cause I fumble over the scriptall the time.
So you've killed it.
You have now earned your spot asthe Introducer.
(01:08):
Introducer intro.
Yeah.
Think if I ever get good atjujitsu and I go to tournaments,
that's what my name is gonna be.
The introducer.
Oh, you come out to the Music ofInformer, right?
Introduce sir.
Okay.
Enough singing.
Enough singing.
All right.
Get serious.
Be serious.
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We have company.
You guys clean it up.
All right.
So Kevin, I'm gonna say somethings about Believe Crew, and
then you can correct me as we goon.
All right.
All right.
So, uh, believe Crew is acoaching and consulting
collective, uh, that helpsindividuals and leaders uncover,
uh, limiting beliefs, healemotional wounds, and step into
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empowered self leadership.
Hmm.
Love that.
Good job.
That sounds good.
Yeah.
Our friend, uh, our friend Chadhelped us write that.
Chad, GPT.
Chad GPT.
Yeah.
Do, yeah.
My wife tells me that, uh, ifshe could marry Chad GPT, she
would, but, you know, at leastI've, I'm glad that so far
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that's not possible.
Yeah.
I mean, eventually, eventuallyour, our age group.
I think we're good.
I think we're good.
Uh, Becca, you might need toworry about it like being
replaced by AI girlfriend.
I'm actually listening to apodcast like, not right now in
my head.
I.
In times when I'm not talking toyou guys, I'm listening to a
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podcast about a guy who had a, achat or a girlfriend, a a AI
girlfriend, and got prettyserious.
He brought her, he brought herthe, the, the AI girlfriend on
his phone.
He brought her to meet hisparents with his wife.
There's with his wife.
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I mean, his wife is there.
She's very supportive of the AIgirlfriend.
It just opens up a whole can ofethics that we didn't cover in
college.
Hold on, hold on.
Right.
This is a true story.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's one of a gajillion of'em.
I would imagine like whole,whole sidebar.
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Um, Kevin, what happens is I,uh, we have the questions
mm-hmm.
And we look at the questionsevery once in a while, look over
here at the questions and notnotice that we haven't done a
single question, so.
Mm-hmm.
It, it's an, it's an operationand professional distraction is
what I'm understanding.
Cool.
I like it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That is, uh, that is exactlywhat we do here.
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Okay.
Uh, so what we're going to tryto do in this episode is get
away, uh, from the ethics ofhaving a, a girlfriend.
In general, and when you'remarried, like there's a whole,
there's, there's lots of unpack,unpack there that we're gonna
somebody, some topics give oversix months of episodes to do
after this.
Just on that, right?
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Just on that.
That's, that's what our podcastis about now.
Um, alright Kevin, so my firstquestion, um, what was the spark
or personal experience that ledyou to start the Believe crew?
So what, what made you come upwith the idea?
What made you go all in on itand tell us the origin story, if
you will.
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Sure.
Well, man, it feels so serious,like the answer, like, I gotta
give serious answers here.
I don't know how to do this in afunny way.
Um, we can be serious.
It's okay.
We'll look at us, we'll providethe funny look how serious we
are.
Uh, yes.
I, I guess the really, one ofthe biggest impacts, uh, and I
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talk about it all the time, evenshare her story was, was my
mother-in-law.
Uh, honestly.
Um, and that's why it's soseriously, she, Jamie and I, my,
my wife who's also a co-founder,we, we founded the company
together.
Um, we, we had a year in 2006and seven where we lost both of
our moms and to cancer.
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And so, um, but really her mom,her name was Susan, um, was the
one that we paid attention to asfar as.
Belief crew, and I suppose to acertain extent, they both, they
both very much live in what wecreated together in belief crew.
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So they were the start.
Is that, is that serious enoughfor you?
I think so.
Is Christy stuck?
That is, that is definitelyserious enough.
No, she's back now.
I see her, um, give me, mycomputer has gone absolutely
bananas.
Gimme one second.
Christina's stuck.
That's all right.
Wait, can you guys hear me?
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That's a beautiful, beautifulthing though.
That's also a beautiful thing.
The fact that Yeah.
See, told you you could bring asmuch serious as you want.
We're not gonna that last long.
Still going back to the laughs.
Yep.
That's good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I don't know if I,should I continue?
Yeah, I, I, I have a questionalong, I mean, just I think
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going off kind of the samething, um.
Are we still recording though?
Did she do we?
Yes.
We're still recording.
Yes, we're Okay.
So I'm continuing.
Um, so how did you findyourself?
I think I read, so you, you havea tech background.
Yes.
That's initially where you camefrom.
So how, what happened that madethat, what was the spark that
you were Oh yeah.
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I'm totally gonna go from rerestart your computer to restart
your life.
Like, oh yeah.
I love that.
'cause that's what I used toalways tell my wife the most,
and she hated it.
Right?
Yep.
She's got, she's got like 40tabs on her browser.
Everything's open, you know,it's been that way for two
weeks.
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Yeah.
I recommend that she has torestart and she is, I hate it
when you say that.
Hate it.
I hate it.
Yes.
Um, yeah, I think it's, no, itshould be done once a month or
so, I think, but yeah, I mean,I, you know, this is back in the
windows, 95 days.
No, just kidding.
But, uh, yeah, uh, that's a goodquestion.
Well, I mean, really it became anecessity I would say.
A couple things.
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One, I was, I was not veryconnected as an, as a tech
person, right?
I was.
Mm-hmm.
I was a dad who showed up in, inphysical presence without
connecting to anyone.
And, um, at a certain point,Jamie made it clear that, hey,
let's, let's shift it a littlebit.
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Let's, let's have more fun here.
And so then I started to ununravel.
Go ahead.
Yes.
So I decided that I, I reallywanna show up, right?
Like, I wanna be present.
I, we have six boys, so, um, ohmy goodness gracious.
So my oldest three, I don't knowyou guys aware, and, and of
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human design.
Do you know what that is at all?
No.
Okay, let give it to us.
All right.
So he, so there's a, you know,in the personality profile area,
there's so many, right?
You've got the disc and theMyers-Briggs and you name it.
There's so many.
Um, and then there's some, likemore, those, the, all of those
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pretty much say, okay, who areyou from your own perspective?
So you, we do the best we can toconnect to what we really care
about.
Now those can all change.
I mean, some of'em are betterat, uh, than others at changing,
but in particular, the disc,I've been every combination of
the disc since I took it 20years ago.
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Uh, because I've grown over, youknow, I'm, I've become more
connected to who I really am.
And so I, they're, they're greatfor their, the way that they can
be used.
And they are changeable becausewe're people and we don't often
know exactly who we are.
At least some of us don't.
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Human design, and there'sanother one that's closely
related to it.
Gene keys are much more based onwho are, who are you, not from
your perspective, but ratherfrom your birth time, from your,
from the energetic space of theworld, when, when you came to
being all of that.
Um, there's a lot more to it.
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It's not just astrological, it'sJewish mysticism on the, there's
a bunch of things.
I, I don't even know what, whatthey're, but the, mainly the,
the goal is to give you more ofyour gifts and more of who you
are.
And so, how did I get on that?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
We talked a little bit about, oryou told us a little bit how
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Jamie said, yeah, it's time foryou to be present and this is
where mm-hmm.
This is where we landed, right?
Yes.
So from the standpoint oflearning my own gifts and
getting an understanding of whatwould it look like me to be a
connected person.
To not be a tech person thatwants to show up as a hero every
day.
And I was a pretty good hero.
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I, I liked responding to crisisand I did good with that.
And, um, I traveled well, thingslike that, that was all good.
But yet I wasn't, I was just,uh, destination thinking, right?
If I do this, then eventually I,I bring home the money and, um,
eventually I'll be happy.
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And so, um, I, I got a coach andI had a mentor that was a healer
and together both of'em are intheir sixties and that's the
setting, that's what started it.
Awesome.
I think that that is amazing.
So we, we've been talkingrecently, at least I've been
talking recently about it, youknow, what it, what it means to,
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what it means to be the hero.
Like,'cause that is a space Ienjoy a lot at work, so.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I get to show up, I get to solvethe problem.
Yeah.
I get to swoop in and everyone'slike, oh, you did such a good
job.
Thank you, thank you.
Mm-hmm.
But it, what it, what it gets mein the end is, you know, burnout
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like mm-hmm.
I don't wanna show up at threeo'clock in the morning.
I don't wanna miss my familyvacation.
I don't wanna not be able to bepresent any place else in my
life except for what it takes toget somebody to tell me that I'm
awesome at work.
Like, that's just a tough placeto be.
And I think that's where a lotof people kind of start their
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journey of, you know, this isn'tas much fun as it was 25 years
ago.
Like, I don't really need you totell me I'm awesome these days.
I really need to be able to goto Red Rocks.
Unplug from, from being, beingyour hero for a bit.
Yes.
So that, that is, that is aninteresting, it, it always
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surprises me how, how manycoincidences happen in this
podcast.
Like the fact that you wouldstart there for why you decided
to, to take your journey is, isreally interesting.
Yeah.
So Sarah, would I, did Iinterrupt you?
I felt like I jumped over top ofyou again.
Always.
No, huh?
No, I'm remembering.
A lot of times the really greatthings, even in the movies
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right, are come from a reallydark space.
And that, that year, 20 14, 2015, that was the hardest year of
my life for sure.
Um, we were having our fifthchild and uh, I had the biggest
project in the world and I wasthe lead on it.
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It was awesome project.
But when you almost like feelguilty for even.
Right at the end was when we hadhim, when we had Oren, our fifth
one.
And, um, it was hard to be therebecause it was, I was so worried
about the team and the state ofthe situa of the, of the
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project.
Right.
So, I mean, I'm not gonna,neither no one's at fault for
that.
It was, it was, um, there was alot of things that all of us
learned.
Yes.
And that's, that was really mytakeaway from the year Right.
Is like, uh, well I needed a lotof wake up calls, so we, we had
that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I can, I can, I can a hundredpercent understand that.
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All right, so let's, let's dig alittle bit deeper into kind of
what, what you and what I'vecalled in, in all of my notes,
the crew.
So when you, what matters themost to you guys?
So when you are working withyour clients, when you're
building your kind of community,what core values are you always
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kind of returning to?
So a lot of what we've beentrying to do recently with our,
with our self-help and with alot of kind of learning how to
grow as people has been based onfiguring out our values is
really hard.
Like to kind of tie into Discand Myers Briggs and all that.
I'll give you a differentpersonality depending on what I
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think you wanna hear.
Yeah.
Because I am, the brain on megets that.
I, I just want you to like meand if you want me to be an ENJM
at C, then I'll be an EMJ, FKFC,whatever it is.
You want me to, I'll answer inthe way that it makes you like
me.
(14:13):
So what very in expressiveinfluencer that, that knows how
to navigate that all veryeasily.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm anexpressive influencer.
That will just be a littlechameleon as long as at the end
you say, what a great job I'mdoing.
I am a, yeah, I have a veryspecific need.
Um, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
So what, when you are, whenyou're working with people and
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you're trying to get people to,to kind of go through that
journey, what are the valuesthat, that you, and, you know,
Jamie's your wife, right?
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
What values do you guys comeback to, to kind of ground
yourselves in, in mm-hmm.
Helping ground people in theirvalues, I think is what I'm
asking.
Yeah.
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Well, what we focus on is thesacred things about each person.
Like honestly, there's a lot ofthings that we don't listen to
about ourselves.
And when we let ourselves gothere and, and have those
conversations, then we can startfiguring out what we really want
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in life.
We are right now.
It's, it's interesting.
I mean, we kind of have a mix ofpeople, younger people, like in
their thirties that areinterested.
Some of those maybe will turninto clients, but most of our
clients are actually in theirlate fifties or or early
sixties.
And what they've, they usuallyhave a business, which is kind
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of our space.
We work with entrepreneurs andthey, uh, they have something
they wanted to do with theirlife, but they haven't got there
entirely, not to their ownsatisfaction at least.
That doesn't mean they haven'tbeen successful from a monetary
standpoint or something else,but they, they, they always
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wanted to do something.
And now that.
There's a time clock ticking alittle bit.
They, they want to figure thatout.
And that includes actually acoach of my, the original coach
of mine.
He, he wants to, I hope, I thinkhe'll be fine with me sharing
that.
He wants to do more speaking.
He wants to get his, he actuallywould be a great radio host.
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He, he started in radio in theeighties.
Um, and yeah, so he, he, he, wecame to him, he helped us and
now we're helping him workthrough that.
So there's to, to go down thatroad, we need to understand a
whole different set of thingsand what you learned in college.
We need to know, um, a lot moreabout your spiritual gifts,
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which is human design.
And uh, Jean Keys will help youdo those.
Or free pro profiles you can doonline.
Um.
Now human design is a monstroussitu, like go talk to a
certified person.
I'm not even certified.
I use it a lot, but I have noclue what it really says.
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Um, so there's a lot ofcomplication to that.
Gene case is much easier tounderstand.
But there's it, those profilesgive you more about what are the
gifts that you bring to thetable.
And we have natural gifts thatwe see and, and, and understand
all the time, like people thatrun fast and people that are
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funny and all that, right?
And then there's this other,those things matter very much.
And there's this other side ofour gifts portfolio that we
don't pay attention to.
And that could be healing or itcould be, uh, I mean you can use
all kinds of different.
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Approaches to look at what thosegifts are.
There's, there's one profilethat's fine, fairly new, um,
from the table group in near SanFrancisco and in California it's
called the Working Genius thatdoesn't really deal with
spiritual gifts, but they getpretty close in a personality
profile.
They, they teach you about thegift that you bring to work and,
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um, for example, and that helpsus start to think about, okay,
so there's a process to work.
How do I fit into that?
Uh, that's one example.
Um, but just diving into thatand who am I, what gifts do I
really have?
And what is my, what is thething that's so deep in my heart
and my soul that I wanna do?
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Like if, if we, if our approachis to build something and do
something repetitively to copein life and then to retire and
suddenly be happy.
I don't think that works.
And I think pretty much all ofus that are under 50 or so don't
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have no interest in that reallydeep down, if we're really
honest at all.
And that's what we're beingsold.
And so we're helping people getaway from that.
No, I've really, I really likethe idea of what, what, what
gifts do, what gifts do I bring.
It's a, it's a question thatI've had to answer over and over
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and over and over again in, inmy career.
And Sarah, I don't, I don't knowabout you and, and Becca as you
start your journey.
Like, why, why am I gonna takethis job?
And at the beginning I will takethat job because I am starving
and I would like a place tolive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And if I don't take this job, Iwill have to continue to work at
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Cinnabon at the mall.
It's really still why I have thejob that I do.
I mean, I still, I'm having alot of trouble right now doing
like my, my, um, developmentalplan thing and my goals and
shit, because I'm literally, mygoal is to not get fired.
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Like I, I feel that and I showup to get paid.
That's literally the extent ofmy job.
I don't know, like that's, yeah.
Anyway, yeah.
I mean, so my day job, that's,I've never really found, um, a
day job where I was able to getinto what I really felt was my
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gift, but that's why I am doingmy side job now, so, yes.
Which, I mean, for manyAmericans, that's, that's where
it is right now is so manypeople have a side gig of some
type that's really their, wheretheir heart is.
And then how do you turn thatinto something that supports
you?
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That's, that's the hard part.
Yeah.
That's where the, that's thesecret sauce.
Does that make sense?
Secret sauce, I think a secretsauce.
There is secret supplies,secret.
It's, uh, cheese sauce.
Like it always goes, it alwayscheese sauce.
Yeah.
But I, I mean that's where,that's, that's where I am now
is, is figuring out and mm-hmm.
Trying things out and what'sgonna make it work to be what I
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actually do, which I know yearsoff of that, but mm-hmm.
Um, I can say that this ispossible.
This is the work I'm doing.
Mm-hmm.
On the side.
And I don't know if I mentionedKevin in an email to you.
Uh, I'm starting my own coachingbusiness, so that is just.
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It's ridiculously fulfilling andI haven't even made a cent yet.
So it's just, and it, it camefrom this podcast and it came
from getting feedback from ourlisteners and having an impact.
And that filled a little bit ofmy heart in a way that I never
experienced before.
Mm-hmm.
And that's how kind of myjourney started in that.
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Um, but I, I, I feel there's alot of us that are in that same
space.
Yes.
Yep.
Yes.
Cici was just lucky to have a,have a job that.
She actually liked to do from ayoung age.
'cause she's weird.
I mean, but, but you, you stillhave to figure out who you are
in this job.
Yes.
(22:11):
So, uh, Kevin, I do clinicalresearch, so, you know mm-hmm.
I was pretty fortunate to beable to really see some amazing
things happen, like get involvedwith companies where they're
using gene therapy to makelittle kids here.
I mean, I'll continue to talkabout that until I die.
That was the most amazing ask.
You should, like, how, how doyou, how do you beat that?
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Like, continue to be involvedwith, with these things where
you feel and.
Sometimes it's, it's not reallyfun.
Like earlier today, I could havethroat punched, um, somebody who
is really trying to do good,good work, but not in the way
that I want them to do goodwork.
Mm-hmm.
But, you know, you, you have tofind a way to, and this kind of
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gets into my next question.
You, you have to find a way tobring who you are to your work
and get, get something back inreturn.
And I think that that's where,that's where a lot of people
are, are looking at and beinglike, no, I don't wanna show up
every day and I don't wannaupdate the project plan and I
don't wanna.
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I don't wanna do the risk log.
What's up Sarah?
Me, me, me.
That's, you don't, I don't carehow No.
I wanted to say, like you said,bring, bring you and your
talents or however you justworded it.
And, um, the second, uh,quarterly wellness newsletter
went out to the company.
Yes, Kevin.
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I work in it.
Oh, me.
Yeah.
That's what I did for 25 years.
Yeah.
And my, uh, my boss during mylast review wanted to know,
what, what drives you?
What do you wanna do?
I was like, I wanna help peopleand not with computers.
Mm-hmm.
And so one of the things I, Ipitched was.
Some sort of wellness newsletterthat goes out to the whole
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company.
Well, just to our group really.
And it ended up, I, it goes outto the whole company.
So I, I sweet sent out my, mysecond one and got a lot of good
feedback.
So, and my boss today commentedon it in our meeting and said
that, yeah, it might not be it,but it's a great visibility.
Yeah.
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You're a few people.
Maybe you're a future peopleofficer.
There you go.
Yeah.
Mm.
That still seems way toocorporate-y, but, okay.
Well, it's kind of the idea ofhaving coaching in, in, uh, I am
sure there's all kinds ofdifferent flavors, right.
But there's, there is, there arecoaches that do focus in
corporate.
Yeah.
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And, and even small business, ifthat's where you're at, you
know.
For sure.
Sorry.
Si.
I, I interrupted.
I was just excited.
Yeah, that's alright.
I lost my, my newsletter.
I was just gonna, I was justgonna validate my own personal
decisions, uh, to, to not, uh,operate a side business and say
like, you can find what youneed, uh, if you're willing to
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frame your mind in the right wayinside of a, inside of a
structure.
But you have to find a placewhere you can give yourself to
it.
Where I can get on the phonewith somebody who works with me
and be like, Hey ass hat.
Let's, let's settle down andfigure out what we're gonna do.
I have to be someplace wherethat's gonna be an acceptable
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start to a meeting.
Hmm.
What the hell is going on?
I am, I am never gonna be supersuccessful at a, at a
corporation where realness isn'ttolerated.
And it took me a long time tokind of get there from where I
started in.
Only in the past couple yearshave I been like, if that's how
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the work gets done, and that'show I bring forward momentum to
something, then that's just asvalid as the person who writes a
very, uh, formal, very tight,very succinct email.
Like, these are two, uh, twoflavors of how we get stuff
done.
And you just have to find theright place for the way that
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you're gonna do it.
And even though I didn't have,even though I didn't have a
coach, I had you and I had thepodcast and I had, uh, I had, I
had you to tell me all alongthat what you're doing is fine.
Like what you're doing is fine.
That's.
Even though we didn't realizethat it was coaching, it was
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exactly coaching.
So even though I didn't have aformal coach, I did have you and
the podcast and you know,eventually Becca to kind of push
me in a direction where I wascool and okay with being who I
am at work.
Yeah, I think that's kind of thepoint of everything we did,
everything we're doing.
Tying it back into, into themental health and the mental
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wellness kind of piece of it, alot of it was kind of making
peace with who I am as a, as aspicy neurodivergent person.
Like even though I lookperfectly normal on the outside,
inside, inside, don't getyourself so much credit.
Isn't she terrible, Becca?
Isn't she awful?
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Imagine growing up with it, likethe therapy, you literally were
like, Hey, you literally werelike, Hey, set me the ball.
And I did know, and you werelike, or no, you set me the ball
and I just killed it.
That's what it was.
Lambed it down, right?
That was awesome.
I sure did.
Okay, go ahead.
Anyway.
Like, sorry.
So let's talk about people onsome sort of spectrum.
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Right.
Um, what I see when I talk tothem is very gifted people,
super gifted that I, there'sthis one kid that I, that I love
talking to, and he, um, he seespeople that are missing, you
know, probably they died, uh,most likely he sees them and,
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and other things that are normalfor them for, I wouldn't say
challenged, I would say gifted.
And that's, that's the way it'sbeen for, for someone that is
dyslexic.
Is often a good business owner.
And my father-in-law is, uh,definitely dyslexic and he's
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worth a lot of millions, youknow?
And, um, so he's a goodentrepreneur.
He's, he does that prettyeasily, other than the typical
fear that all of us would have.
Right.
Um, so yeah, I think, I think wehave an opportunity to look at
things a little differently withthe information that we have
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today.
And, um, I, I should warn peoplethough, when you go down this
road, if you're gonna say, okay,I'm gonna figure my calling out,
suddenly what we're reallysigning up for is that the
things that are, that matter themost to us, they might include
different people.
They might include, like, welive in Mexico last year, at the
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beginning of, um, uh, January,beginning of 2004.
We decided that we were gonnamove to Mexico in a space of two
hours because of a conversationwe had.
And because we just felt withinthat two hour period that we
needed to do that as part of ourbusiness.
And we went down and told ourboys, we had, you know, a seven
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bedroom house.
I had everything that I everdreamt of, definitely had
exceeded my expectations forlife from a, you know, having
things standpoint.
And then we had, then we had theopportunity to, uh, to figure
out how to give that all awayand, and, uh, sell our house
and, and leave the US notpermanently obviously, but, but,
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um, move in.
We call it seven bedrooms.
The seven suitcases.
So I'm not saying that's thepath for everyone, but I do
think it's good to warn peoplethat you're signing up for the
things that matter most to you.
That doesn't usually mean whereyou are right now.
And the people that you're withright now and the setting that,
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and some of the things that youthink really matter to you right
now, you're asking for somethingdifferent, and that's what we'll
get.
I think that's one of thehardest things.
Yeah.
I mean, we and I, well, I thinkit's hard to explain that, and I
think it's hard.
That's the hardest thing toaccept when you're trying to
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change, but that's part of the,what I like to say all the time
is this shit's hard.
This isn't easy, it'suncomfortable.
When I worked with my coach,mm-hmm.
The best things that came out ofme we're in my worst times.
Yep.
We're in the times where I wasso uncomfortable.
Like she asked me a few sessionsin what, what works the best,
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well, I hate to say it, but whenyou push me to a point where I'm
very uncomfortable, I feelthat's where I make the most
progress.
And that's kind of, that's,that's part of it, that's the
uncomfortable thing, is beingable to say, Hey, I need to make
some big freaking changes in mylife.
And unfortunately, that'sprobably gonna include saying
bye to a few people.
Yeah.
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And, and we don't have to say,we're saying bye outta love.
We're just, we're just not quitespending as much time.
Yeah.
And it's not anything aboutthem.
I think one of the things that,that most beautiful things I've
learned in this process is tohave a different conversation
with my parents than I ever, andmy mom's, obviously she's here,
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but she's in a different spotthan I ever dreamed of having.
And it made it so much better tosay to them in a certain way.
When we're pushing ourselvesoutside of our comfort zone, our
parents suddenly become like,we're being different than what
they wanted us to be or what wethought they wanted us to be,
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would be a better way to say it.
'cause technically our parentswant us to succeed beyond them.
Right?
But they also wanna keep ussafe.
So, so the, the conversation of,uh, mom and dad, I, I honor you
and I love you.
And because of that, I step intomy calling and because of that
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I'm figuring this out.
And yes, it's not gonna feelsafe sometimes'cause it's
different, but I'm doing thatbecause I honor you and because
I love you.
And I learned that down here.
And there's a, there's areverence in Mexico for your
ancestors.
And um, yeah, there was a coachthat I had that lives him here
in Mexico and.
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There's something that's very,there's just a huge reverence
for their, an ancestors here,for the Mayans.
Uh, I live in the Riviera Mayera area in the Yucatan, so
south of, uh, PTO, Carmen.
And this is an area that's verymuch Mayan.
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There's all kinds of different,uh, ruins and, and everything
is, and even the names areMayan.
And so there's just this, evenin say, some of their ceremonies
that they do, they, that's apart of it where they think
their ancestors and, but I wasworking with a coach on, over
the last year, just kind ofdeconstructing some of my
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childhood stuff.
And she offered to me that if Iresist anything from the
programming I got from myparents, that I'm actually
causing it to cycle again andagain.
Right.
So to reframe that, what we didis this conversation of mom and
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dad, I honor you and I love you,and because I honor you and I
love you, I step into thiscalling that I'm being asked to
move into.
And, and then we close with thesame thing.
And, and just like leavingeverything that's their struggle
at their feet.
Not, not because they deserveit, but because it's not mine.
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And I, I don't need to carry itaround anymore.
So I, I really appreciated that.
Yeah.
I like that.
Like a, um, like a very reverentversion of mm-hmm.
This is not my circus.
Those are your monkeys.
Yeah.
Yep.
I hope you enjoy them.
I have.
I love these other monkeys.
Yes, exactly.
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Yep.
Yep.
I love that.
Yep.
Yep.
Yeah, I think when, when we,when we talk about making,
making big changes, like, youknow, back when we started this,
I was like, that book title hasthe f word in it that is going
to be a great self-help book forme.
And Uhhuh.
Sarah and I cycled through, Idon't know, six or seven.
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We got into, we got into thisone and then we were Atomic
Habits and we were, uh, we werelet them for a half a heartbeat.
Second.
I mean, but no, it's the firThose first three were the ones,
yeah.
Like wait, and, and constantlywe're looking for, um, should,
alright, well, tell me what Ishould do.
Tell me what I should do.
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Tell me what I do next.
Yeah.
Tell, give me, do you have achecklist?
Is there a workbook?
Oh, if we have a workbook, we'lldefinitely be able to, to change
our lives.
And it, it, it turns out inorder to change your life, you
really need to.
Just do the work, put in the,the work, the effort, the
willingness to be uncomfortable,the willingness to understand
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that if you would like your lifeto be different, you're going to
have to act different and dothings different.
And how you get there is a lotof where it, you know, the hard
stuff happens.
No one can tell you exactly howno one's got a, no one's got a
checklist for you.
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Unless that checklist my C does,unless that checklist is, I love
a good freaking checklist too.
Get ready to be uncomfortable inthese 50 ways.
Like, yes, but.
You know, even, even if thatchecklist is, it'd be
uncomfortable, you're, you'regonna have to, you're gonna have
to put yourself there.
You're gonna have to, like, youcan't, you can't get up to the
point of, oh yeah, checklistsays I should do X, but X seems
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super hard and there's anotherself-help book right over there
that I could just read that one.
So you we're, we are trying toavoid the situation where we, we
just keep getting the sameadvice and keep ignoring.
Mm-hmm.
The same advice.
So how do you make sure that thegrowth happens as a coach?
How do you empower people to belike, look, I know it's hard and
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I know that you are go, I amgonna be uncomfortable.
You're gonna be uncomfortable.
Everything is going topotentially feel terrible for a
minute, but we're gonna get pastit.
How do you, how do you getpeople to do that?
What's your, what's the secretsauce?
Sarah will steal it and put itinto hers.
Yeah, yeah.
No, she won't.
I swear she has her own stuff.
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Well, we live in a world where,um, where.
There's no IP in this spaceanymore.
I, I'd love to give everyone allthe things that we've learned
and hopefully you would try someof'em out and give'em back to me
and perfect it.
Yeah, right.
We're going into a space herethat's that none of us really
know what we're doing and we'rejust experimenting.
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And I mean, I think when youhave a meeting, and Sarah,
you're gonna understand thiseasily when you create enough
emotional space that the personunderstands that when they
arrive, it's all about them.
And then you're gonna build sometrust.
I mean, this, we could use thisconcept for every relationship
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that we have.
I know I'm still working ongiving my wife enough sp, uh,
emotional space, right?
Like it's, I I am learning 20years, 30 years too late.
But, you know, still, I'm, I'mlearning now that there's
certain things about the way sheneeds to process the
conversation.
And I, for some reason neverfigured this out before.
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Right.
It's hard.
Again, shit's hard.
So, so that's a good place tostart is, I mean, I remember one
story, my coach, whose name isMark, and he, he had, he would,
he did a lot of these discthings where he would show up
and talk to people about theirdisc, but he'd give'em a chance
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to tell their story.
Every single one of them.
And this one lady, it was, shebroke down and just basically
was like, I haven't told anyone,but I was raped last week.
And he's like, what?
But that's the kind of thingthat happens when you show up
and someone senses like, oh mygoodness, this person's actually
(38:43):
here for me.
And, um, obviously he didn'thelp her with, well, I'm sure he
did help as much as he could,but I obviously he would've told
her to, to get some help, um,to, to process that.
But yeah, that's, that's thekind of stuff that comes up
automatically.
I think if we're aware of, ifwe're doing the work ourselves,
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that's the most important.
If I stop doing the work, even10 years after starting, and I'm
showing up to calls and, and notcontinuing my own work, then I'm
not gonna show up I would in avulnerable space if I am.
And that's, that's the biggestdifference between an entry
level coach and an advancedcoach, is understanding how much
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there is ongoing and gettingthat team in place.
And if I could do anything over,starting with my much bigger
bank account would be, I wouldstart there.
I would build my team.
And recognize and figure out howto get this in my mind that I
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need to, to continue the workand figure that out.
How am I gonna, um, create thatplan to continue my own work?
And I think that would've been alittle bit easier, but maybe I
couldn't have done it faster,which is completely fine too.
Like I needed a lot of time to,to get out of my work addiction
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for, for the beginning, youknow?
Yes.
It's very hard.
Yes.
I was, that was one of thethings that my coach would
always tell me though.
She just, she was very adamantthat she would never give me any
sort of assignment or push, likeshe did everything that she did
with me, she had experienced,she had worked through, or
(40:32):
however you wanna put it.
And I thought that was, that waspretty, I don't.
Comforting, I guess.
Mm-hmm.
As a, as a client, like knowingthat that she's been there.
Yeah.
And that she was kind of in thesame situation, even though our
stories are very different.
So I think that that's, that'ssomething I hope to continue.
Mm-hmm.
Along my practice.
(40:53):
I don't have any plans tosuggest anything too crazy'cause
I haven't done anything toocrazy yet, so.
Mm-hmm.
But, but yeah, I think I agreewith you.
That's one of the things is thatI feel as a coach that we can
never stop working on ourselvesif we're not working on
ourselves and we're notcontinuing to grow and push
ourselves.
I don't think it's very fairthat we ask other people to do
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it.
That's just me, you know?
And I have a half a client, so,yeah.
I mean, like, don't, don't, um,undervalue that, uh, a lot of,
one thing I I work on a lot isworking with women to want women
entrepreneurs to let go of allthe stigmas that make it so that
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it's.
Hard to do this and whateverstage you're at, if you're doing
it, just, I mean, be thankfulthat you're there because it's,
it's pretty hard.
And it, and it's the same issuefor guys, it's just a different
set of issues.
The whole idea, I mean, one ofmy biggest things is the money
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thing, right?
Like, you gotta this, I have to,I used to do a lot of sales in
tech and it's, okay, so let's,let's create what we're doing
and then let's sell it.
No, that's not what works inthis space.
We have to be it.
And then by being it, we can putit out there.
So we all, we all have our ownstuff to work through past life.
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Some sometimes inherited issuesthat have to do with, and, and
even cultural issues that haveto do with a woman being in
charge of something.
Which, yeah, I mean, that, thatwas, that's been a big struggle
for my wife.
She's the, she's the CEOI reportto her.
So, um, that, but that's theperfect situation for her to
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address the things.
She gets big visions in life.
She's the visionary.
And, um, yeah, the rest of ushave to help her through that
process and get to what reallyis what she wants to do and, um,
and then do it for alongside ofher.
Yeah.
That's, um, again, uh, I feelwe've, uh, uh, we've come full
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circle here a couple of times.
Oftentimes I'm the only girl inthe room, uh, oftentimes I'm
the, I'm the one who, uh, youknow, has to say things.
Let's go, let's, uh, come on.
Let's, let's get it done.
And like the traditional, uh,you know, kind of.
Girl cheerleader things aren'tnecessarily gonna work or
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resonate with the people that Igotta motivate.
So you gotta kind of figure out,all right, well, I guess I'm not
gonna be the cheerleader in thiscase.
I'm gonna be the um, uh, loudmouth sort of truck driver.
And again, kind of getting backto my chameleon kind of
personality, just gotta figureout what's gonna, and kind of
step away from, oh, I can't dothat because I'm, you know, I'm
just a girl.
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I'm just a girl.
Mm-hmm.
And it, that took, I don't know.
Still, still, I'll find myselflike defaulting to, Hey guys,
come on, let's, let me grabthese, these pom-poms and let's
talk about how we can have a peprally.
I was just gonna say, I couldsee you with pompoms, right?
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Yeah.
But that's not the thing that'sgonna capture anybody's
attention.
You showing up and throwingaround a well-placed FBO is
gonna be the thing that makespeople go.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
You need to make that face.
'cause we need to get going.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and we've, uh, we've, youknow, it, it gets back to a lot
of the stuff that we've talkedabout is finding out who, who
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you are and who you can bring toit that's maybe a little bit
different than what you'retraditionally supposed to do in
those situations.
Take note, Becca.
Save yourself like 20 years of sThere you go.
I'll toss mine out.
I think one of the cool thingsabout today is that people, I
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don't, Rebecca, Rebecca, I don'tknow how old you are, so, um,
but I'm 23.
Okay.
So people your age and younger,they actually, they get this
stuff.
They, they, they were born withit.
A lot of them cheaters and sothey're, one thing that I've
really grown to learn as a dadof six boys is that, um, you
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know.
Little kids when they're so alittle baby, that's a more
spiritual version of a humanbeing than the adult.
And if we wanna learn somethingfrom someone, go find a kid,
they're spiritual, right?
Like, they actually get things.
And so we, we built a society inthe US that's actually the exact
(45:38):
backwards.
Um, it's just, it doesn't workbecause we're trying to teach
all of our kids what we neededto succeed.
The last generation, this hasprobably always been this way.
It wasn't just the us but thething is like, we're so safety
focused and so fear based thatit's gotta stop.
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We can't, it's not gonna work.
So we can start paying attentionto our kids.
This is, so we, we read a book,uh, the name of the book is
Summer Hill and it's about a, aschool in the middle of the UK
summer.
And in the 1950s, like this is70 years ago, they were doing
this stuff.
Uh, they had a boarding schoolwhere the kids picked what they
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wanted to do, and it's quiteamazing.
The thing I love about the bookis the author and the person
that had the school and designedthe school, he told you about
the disadvantages to his plan.
Like he was honest andvulnerable about it, and there
was some things that didn't goso great, but ultimately they
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had a, they got the kids thatdidn't fit in, that were the
rule breakers.
And, and so it's very impressiveand that's what we've done with
our kids.
We do soul school.
We focus on not what's going to,what we think might work in the
future, but we allow them topick what they're gonna do.
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And, uh, it's quite amazing.
To watch what my 5-year-old,he's like a language, a language
expert.
Um, I have, I feel sometimes Ifeel we've taught him almost
nothing, and yet he learns itthrough the air.
I I have no idea how he does it.
He, he can, of course, he's gota great memory and he, he does a
(47:29):
lot of different games and stuffon, you know, on the switch or
whatever, but he, he'll read thescreen partially because he
probably heard it from someoneon a YouTube video or something.
But also he, he learned thealphabet by himself.
He, um, he's amazing.
And he's the one that we've let,like from, we worked with him
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from when he was in the womb,like energetically, and so we've
really.
Done the opposite, like let himlead and we're the ones that are
supporting him from day one.
And it's, it's amazing to watch.
And now he's probably, there'sprobably some gifted things
about him too, but that's whatmakes it amazing to watch.
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And, and all of us are that way.
Right?
He's, he is a little bit likeyou in that Christine is, what's
your name?
It says Chris, but I, I don'tknow Christine.
Mm-hmm.
Christine.
Okay.
Yeah.
I call her Christine.
I call her sissy too, so Iprobably don't know.
Yeah.
Okay.
I was, I'm named challenged.
So anyway, she, he's so peopleoriented.
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Like he could be one of thosestreamers that just talks
nonstop.
He does to all of us.
He is, he's just this chattyperson that goes around the
house and just engages everyoneand everything.
Right.
And anyway, so, but what I wouldsay to you, Sarah, as a coach.
Find a friend in your networkthat does something like
healing, energy healing orsomething, do a session with
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someone together, and this iswhat we started to do.
Take pe, take your differentgifts that you offer someone
get, just experiment with this.
Have a session where you cantalk about what's going on in
someone's life and also, and dothis with someone that's done
some work for a while so they,they know how to be vulnerable.
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And also with someone that canhelp you with limiting beliefs
and have fun with that.
To me, it's the best becausewhat happens is, this is why I
do what I do, is I, I needed allthis help.
And then I started to realize,oh, I can do this.
And so I started to learnmostly.
Like in it, I had everycertification test that I ever,
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you know, dreamt of getting.
But I don't do that here.
I, I do have a couplecertifications.
I've, I've mostly though learnfrom people.
It's just helps me not engage myknowledge side and more my
intuitive side.
But I, that's what we areexperimenting with.
And what we're building in ourteam is where we take people
that have these different gifts.
We like to pair someone that'sgot the gift of discernment,
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usually the coach with someonethat's, um, more emotional and
more like a healer.
And we put those two togetherand then see what happens with
supporting our clients.
And so far we've loved it.
I think it's, I love that.
Yeah.
It's a concept.
Like if you think about, um, I'mfrom the Midwest Mayo Clinic.
(50:26):
What they did with doctors isputting all the experts in one
room and talking with the, whatthe patient quote unquote.
Instead of having one doctor,and then the other one and the
other one come all day, they putthem together and talk together.
And that's kind of the conceptof what we're doing of like, um,
I, I mean, we could put ahypnotist and a healer and a
(50:46):
coach in the room or whatever,whatever's appropriate and just
dive into what's possible.
And that's what I think it'swhen it gets really fun, is when
you allow yourself to startexperimenting with the concept
of doing work.
And to what Christine is saying,as long as we're doing that
work, we're, we're in the same,like there's something that's
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connecting us, all of us doingwork together.
It's just like we get to havethe real thing that we want in
life.
Yeah.
I love that.
It's so a, again, I am, uh, justgobsmacked.
If I could use the wordgobsmacked'cause I think we're
gonna have to bring it back.
Becca, take note.
Uh, we're gonna bring gobs back.
Back.
We even know really what gobs,like where does it, where did
(51:29):
did it come from?
What does it really mean?
Hearsay?
Which cookies?
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
So that came up and smackedsomebody else right in the face
with a big sandwich cookie.
Is that what hap I was thinkingcob stoppers.
No, no.
Yeah, me too.
It's kind of a word that makesyou think of many things at
once.
Right?
Right.
I'm, I'm, it's very weird.
I'm on for it.
Okay, go ahead.
But you know, it's so.
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It, it, everything is sointeresting and it's
interconnectedness.
Olivia comes into my officetoday and she's, Hey, what do
you know, what do you know aboutchakras?
And I'm like, nothing.
Where would I ever find achakra?
And she's like, look at thesememes.
Sounds painful.
Mm-hmm.
Look at these memes I'vedownloaded.
So she's talking to her roommateMary and Mary's going through
(52:10):
some stuff, and she's like,listen, look at these, look at
these things.
Let's talk about it.
And I, you know, for the firsttime in like a hundred years, I
was like, you know, maybe Iopened my mind up to something
that isn't, that isn't, youknow, a, a cut and dry kind of
thing.
And I'll, yeah.
(52:30):
I'm like, yes, send it to me.
Show it to me.
Let me see what's, let me seewhat's happening.
And then Kevin, to hear youtalking about combining healing
with doing actual work and justhaving a bit of that sort of
like open-mindedness to, to someof these things like.
Earlier in our podcast, we werereally touching on meditation,
really touching on, you know,ways to, ways to affect your
(52:53):
consciousness that mm-hmm.
For, for us, always tied backinto taking, taking an action,
looking at something and takingan action, looking at something
and taking an action.
But it, you know, kind of havingthat open-mindedness to say,
yeah, look at, look at, look atthe, the chakra or whatever it
is that, that leads you to do, Ithink is the, is the place
(53:17):
where, where we came to, youknow, some, some kind of overlap
with those things.
But again, gobsmack to that,Olivia's in my office talking
about doing some of this.
And then, and then you're heretalking about how like
collectively working on a personin, in ways that, that may be
unexpected, like.
(53:37):
And a theme throughout my day today has been working with
different groups of people thatmake me wanna throat punch them,
but are also necessary for us toget our stuff done like it is,
um, again, kind of, kind ofwild, the way the universe lines
up sometimes.
So I will leave.
They are chakra specific forthroat punching?
(53:59):
Yeah, the throat chakra.
Yeah, I think it's right here.
Okay.
I think it's this one.
Okay.
Listen, you know, I'm just new.
I'm just a baby here, so, butKevin, is that, is that kind of
like what, does chakras haveanything to do with what you're
talking about or I just makingup connections in my head.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Actually, uh, we could connectposts to what I talk about with,
(54:22):
with chakras.
Not actually, not because it'sthe center, but it's just
related.
Like, um, I learned.
Maybe that my energy mentor, Idunno if he talked about chakras
too much, but I tried to learnabout what, what he was doing
because he wasn't, he wasn'tlike a teacher so much.
He was more of like, Hey, do youknow you could do this?
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And um, so I found someone, hername is Cindy Dale, and she's
amazing.
I've taken some of her classesand actually just purchased one
the other day.
I need to get started on, onphysical healing.
And she, um, she talks a lotabout, she's done a lot of
integration across multiplecultures, so she's fun to talk
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to because what you find out ifyou start to look into shocker
systems and stuff like that isthere's different ones.
And so it's like, well, whichone is real?
Right.
Um, I like Cindy because she'sdone, she's.
Gone and talked to people andreally kind of understood.
There's slightly differentperspectives, but pretty much
everyone agrees it's just thatyou have to get past the slight
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differences.
And so she's done that and thenpublished books to explain like
why.
And Cindy is, um, speaking ofsomeone that's, you know, she
was, her mother was physicallyabused while she was in the
womb, and she's one of the rarepeople that knows, like she
remembers the womb.
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Um, because she was not in aplace of safety, she was also
part of that experience.
And, um, and a lot of, I don'tknow, like whether she was
gifted before that and then shewas more gifted.
I don't know how that all works,but like, she's hugely gifted.
Like she's one of those peoplethat can see, um.
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See your chakras, see your aura.
Like she chakras are actuallypretty complicated when you
think about them in reality andshe can see them in detail.
Sorry, hit my mic.
Um, she can, happens all thetime.
See your aura.
She does a lot with working onthe aura.
And the aura is a place that canhold a lot of stuff.
Trauma from, um, even yourparents, uh, things that aren't
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even ours we take on becausewe're so kind and loving people.
And yeah, she can see all that.
She can see so much and justvery gifted.
And so she teaches other peopleall kinds of things about the
spiritual realm and, and how towork with people.
One of the things she teachesis, um, healing is, is really
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like just returning things tothe way that they're meant to
be.
It's not any rocket scientist.
Right?
And, and really we're supposed,like, that's something that we
are meant to know.
We're all healers.
We can all receive healing andum, obviously we have different
approaches.
Um, but yeah, healing is, isjust, it's honestly, it's just
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receiving love.
Um, what, what causes a, aproblem in the body?
Like if you look at the scienceof this, right?
There's this book called TheBiology of Belief, and there's a
stem cell researcher you can getinto this stuff.
Um, Bruce Lipton, Dr.
Bruce Lipton was at, I believe,uh, university of Madison,
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Wisconsin.
And, um, he was trying to tiegene genes to disease, but he
absolutely failed and ended upquitting the whole place because
he, he proved that theenvironment, he had two, two
Petri dishes.
The cells differed depending onthe energy that was around them.
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And so he basically said he, hetried to commence his whole
group, uh, the whole facultythat, Hey, we're wrong.
We gotta like start payingattention to this.
And they kicked him out.
And, um, anyway, um, so there'smore to that story I am sure
than what I took out of it.
But we, our energy, everythingabout us, um, really we're meant
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to be a source of love.
We are love.
That's a hard part.
That maybe the hardest thing.
That's what the work really is,is to come to grips with that,
to learn, to love ourselves, toaccept that we are love.
That's a tough one, especiallyfor a lot of us that came from a
Christian background.
Nothing against that background.
It's just like somehow we,there's some stuff that isn't
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quite true that we tend tobelieve and it's.
If you actually know the truth,then you can go back and kind of
understand where we went wrongon some of it, right?
Um, it's not really that it, theteach the source teaching's
wrong.
It's what we've done with it.
But that being said, we're alsoall of our chakras, what they're
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there for is to process energy.
The primarily and most powerfulenergy to, for them to process
is love and, and good energy,right?
So what happens when you havelimiting beliefs or you have
emotions trapped in your body,or you have other things, you
block it and suddenly you'renot, you're not loving yourself
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in some way, right?
So, for example, this is asimple example in your root
chakra, we are meant to beconnected to our environment in
a powerful, thankful, andappreciative way That includes
our job.
And if we sort force ourselvesto do the work that we don't
actually like doing, and if weare in an environment that's not
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supportive, we're traumatizingour root chakra.
So, um, and the, the earth is acenter of love as well.
The heavens are the, you know,unconditional love from God or
however you wanna think aboutit, than from the earth and from
ourselves.
And so the root chakra goes intothe earth, grounds us, connects
us to that love and we're meantto.
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Right outside my window, beforeI got on the podcast, there was
a monkey.
I was watching him and I, what amonkey outside my window.
No, you don't.
I love live in the jungle.
Sorry, Kevin.
I mean, there's some really badthings about, I mean, I have
that monkey, but yeah, I mean,there's some bad things about
living in the jungle, by theway.
I mean, we have scorpions, wehave huge spiders.
We have millions of ants thatdecide to go, you know what,
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sorry, I'm great with that.
I'm perfectly fine with thatmonkey.
And I'm like, Amazon boss.
If someone would've told methis, I wouldn't live here.
But I'm glad I do and I'velearned to love spiders
actually.
Yeah, whatever.
It's a long story.
I won't get into it, but I, I,I'm learning to love even the
strangest things.
I have not figured out how tolove scorpion.
I'm fine with no, pretty muchkilling those.
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They don't seem to have goodenergy, but spiders actually do,
and I've hated spiders all mylife anyway, so, yeah.
No, I love, IIII love that my,my daughter is like, no, look,
you, you, Sarah, we've talkedabout how you feel when you feel
depressed and you're like, thisis a physical thing.
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And Olivia's like, if you lookat these, these chakra pictures,
this iss where you feel thisshit, and she's like, this is
where I feel this particularthing, and I Awesome.
She is really like, that's huge.
Trying to tease out and that'sgood.
What's OCD?
What's a DD?
What's depression?
What are, what are, what issuicidal ideation versus what's
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an intrusive thought?
And she's like, all of thosethings get caught, like in these
different places on me.
And maybe I can use that as aclue to what, how worried I
should be about each of theseindividual things.
And, you know, combining thatwith her therapy, that's
amazing.
And her medication, I'm like,Hey, I, there's, there's no
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reason not to, there's no reasonYeah.
That you should cut that offbecause it's a little bit
non-traditional.
I mean, look at, and that'sreally hard to do.
I may have to talk to herbecause I, that's one of the
things that I have so muchtrouble with, with, because with
my meditation practice and, andusing.
The breath work, the breathingthat I do, that's one of the
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things I've been trying so hard,is to be able to pinpoint where
I feel whatever emotion ishappening.
Mm-hmm.
And I have a really hard timegoing anywhere, but right here,
it's just all in my shoulders.
All of my emotions are justright here.
Mm.
Responsibility.
And I try to not responsibility.
Right.
I try to not be like there likethat.
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That's wrong.
'cause I know in meditation,like there's, you're not doing
it wrong, but there's a part ofmy brain that's like everybody
else is talking about theirfeeling things here and here and
here.
And literally every freakingemotion I have, it's just
everything hits right here.
Mm-hmm.
What's, why isn't that wrong?
Why would that be wrong?
And that's what I mean, I just,because I feel everybody else
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feels like so all over the placelike Libby is, and so I feel
like there's something I'm notdigging deep enough into.
I feel everything.
I'm forcing everything hereinstead of just, well, there's a
lot of, lots of, lot ofpossibilities.
Um, I mean, and there could andwho cares, right?
We don't need to judge it.
Yeah.
I mean, seriously don't, yeah,I'm with what Christine was
(01:03:39):
saying, like we don't need tojudge the Yeah.
But like, and that's what I'vebeen just you bringing it up,
Christine, just talking aboutlike that's Yeah, I came across
this.
I don't care.
Um, amazing.
Uh, definitely responsibilitythat, so probably you've got
something.
So there's certain parts of whatwe can let go that you can do
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through breath work and youdon't need to know what it was
like certain emotions.
There's also also things thoughthat we need to know about and
talk about to let go.
And so you need a mo modalitythat can expose what it is and
have the conversation where youdig deep enough with that.
Right.
And sometimes you even needsomething.
(01:04:22):
Like, for me, I needed to getstarted in this.
I needed hypno.
Um, which hypno is nothing likewhat you see on this, on the, on
the stage.
Cluck like a chicken or No, no.
It's like being hyper aware.
It's, it's similar.
I use a methodology called thetahealing, which is very similar.
You go into theta brainwave,which is way more easy for you
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to, and it's a hyper awareness,I would say, like in a positive
way.
It feels like, like amazingplace of love.
Right.
So it's not like a freaky,psychedelic drug.
No, I, and that's, I'm justkidding.
But yeah, it's, it's a goodplace.
Yeah.
I, I'm, I'm one of those peoplethat doesn't, don't think that
you need help with doing this.
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I, I don't think you need drugsor anything.
Yeah.
I mean, there is a lot of peoplethat do that, and I'm not like,
gonna speak against'em.
I know what they're doing.
I, I don't, I haven't tried thatmethod, so I just have to say
that, which, going back to theshit that's crazy and connected,
I literally just saw somethingtoday about psychedelic therapy
or something.
So Go ahead.
I was like, mm-hmm.
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Oh, all right.
Okay.
Go it.
Yeah.
I think someday I'm gonna haveto change, try it, because I
don't know, without trying it,but I, but I don't really have
an interest at this point.
No.
Sorry, I totally threw us offthere.
Yeah.
I, I think this is, this is,this is a, this is a great place
to kind of like get to in that,you know.
Do just what Olivia said.
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She's like, the, here's, here'swhat it, because, uh, my
daughter wants to be aneuroscientist.
She wants to figure out how dowe tease apart OCD from, from a
d, d, how do I, how do I figureout which one of these things it
is?
And I'm like, open.
Open yourself up to lots ofstuff.
Right now I'm like, you're ajunior in college.
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You still have a whole two wholeyears left of mm-hmm.
Book learning.
And then, and then you'll end upin graduate school somewhere and
go someplace where people aredoing cool research.
Look, look into all of it.
Mm-hmm.
Like, yeah.
And she tried to, she tried toself-help herself when she was
like 12, 13.
She's like, I'm just gonna be awitch.
(01:06:31):
And that will, I remember thatI'm gonna collect all of these,
she rock crystals and put themall over my house.
Right.
We're gonna just collect all ofthese rocks and we're gonna put
'em out in the moonlight or thesunlight or whatever, and then
we're gonna, um, I'm gonna throwrosemary around my room and that
will fix me.
And I'm like, Hey, that'sawesome.
Maybe pick some of that back upand figure out is there, is
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there anything to it?
And like there's nothing, you'renot gonna hurt anything.
No, I don't think, like you'renot gonna hurt yourself.
No, I mean the good news on thisstuff is we can learn a lot of
that stuff for fairly cheap.
Like you can go to cindydale.com with a, Cindy with an
ISYD, I don't know if I couldspell it.
S-S-Y-N-D-I dale.com.
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DAL e.com.
And I got the Dale, right?
Yeah.
The other part of it.
I did that right.
And just buy a couple hundreddollars class about chakras and
she, she's an expert like I'llFor sure.
That's amazing.
Kevin, before we let you go, isthere anything we didn't ask you
that you wanna talk about?
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I am thoroughly satisfied andwith all the conversation it was
beautiful.
Thank you very much for havingme.
Um, bye.
Hello and welcome to Bare BonesBanter with The Mental Funny
Bone.
I'm Chris, and I'm here asalways with my sister, Sarah and
Becca, the intern.
And this week we have a specialguest, uh, Kevin White, uh, the
founder of Belief Crew.
And Kevin is here to talk to usabout his organization and how
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he got started and some of thethings that he's interested in
doing and, uh, and how that kindof relates to what we do at our
podcast.
Um, so you guys, I will give aquick intro about Belief Crew
and then I have a series ofquestions to ask Kevin and, uh,
you know, just to, just to givea little shout out to Becca and
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Sarah.
Thank you for letting me do thetalking at the beginning.
It makes me feel very important.
I appreciate it.
You're doing such a good job.
That's so much better than Iever do with a script.
'cause I fumble over the scriptall the time.
So you've killed it.
You have now earned your spot asthe Introducer.
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Introducer intro.
Yeah.
Think if I ever get good atjujitsu and I go to tournaments,
that's what my name is gonna be.
The introducer.
Oh, you come out to the Music ofInformer, right?
Introduce sir.
Okay.
Enough singing.
Enough singing.
All right.
Get serious.
Be serious.
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We have company.
You guys clean it up.
All right.
So Kevin, I'm gonna say somethings about Believe Crew, and
then you can correct me as we goon.
All right.
All right.
So, uh, believe Crew is acoaching and consulting
collective, uh, that helpsindividuals and leaders uncover,
uh, limiting beliefs, healemotional wounds, and step into
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empowered self leadership.
Hmm.
Love that.
Good job.
That sounds good.
Yeah.
Our friend, uh, our friend Chadhelped us write that.
Chad, GPT.
Chad GPT.
Yeah.
Do, yeah.
My wife tells me that, uh, ifshe could marry Chad GPT, she
would, but, you know, at leastI've, I'm glad that so far
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that's not possible.
Yeah.
I mean, eventually, eventuallyour, our age group.
I think we're good.
I think we're good.
Uh, Becca, you might need toworry about it like being
replaced by AI girlfriend.
I'm actually listening to apodcast like, not right now in
my head.
I.
In times when I'm not talking toyou guys, I'm listening to a
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podcast about a guy who had a, achat or a girlfriend, a a AI
girlfriend, and got prettyserious.
He brought her, he brought herthe, the, the AI girlfriend on
his phone.
He brought her to meet hisparents with his wife.
There's with his wife.
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I mean, his wife is there.
She's very supportive of the AIgirlfriend.
It just opens up a whole can ofethics that we didn't cover in
college.
Hold on, hold on.
Right.
This is a true story.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's one of a gajillion of'em.
I would imagine like whole,whole sidebar.
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Um, Kevin, what happens is I,uh, we have the questions
mm-hmm.
And we look at the questionsevery once in a while, look over
here at the questions and notnotice that we haven't done a
single question, so.
Mm-hmm.
It, it's an, it's an operationand professional distraction is
what I'm understanding.
Cool.
I like it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That is, uh, that is exactlywhat we do here.
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Okay.
Uh, so what we're going to tryto do in this episode is get
away, uh, from the ethics ofhaving a, a girlfriend.
In general, and when you'remarried, like there's a whole,
there's, there's lots of unpack,unpack there that we're gonna
somebody, some topics give oversix months of episodes to do
after this.
Just on that, right?
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Just on that.
That's, that's what our podcastis about now.
Um, alright Kevin, so my firstquestion, um, what was the spark
or personal experience that ledyou to start the Believe crew?
So what, what made you come upwith the idea?
What made you go all in on itand tell us the origin story, if
you will.
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Sure.
Well, man, it feels so serious,like the answer, like, I gotta
give serious answers here.
I don't know how to do this in afunny way.
Um, we can be serious.
It's okay.
We'll look at us, we'll providethe funny look how serious we
are.
Uh, yes.
I, I guess the really, one ofthe biggest impacts, uh, and I
(04:40):
talk about it all the time, evenshare her story was, was my
mother-in-law.
Uh, honestly.
Um, and that's why it's soseriously, she, Jamie and I, my,
my wife who's also a co-founder,we, we founded the company
together.
Um, we, we had a year in 2006and seven where we lost both of
our moms and to cancer.
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And so, um, but really her mom,her name was Susan, um, was the
one that we paid attention to asfar as.
Belief crew, and I suppose to acertain extent, they both, they
both very much live in what wecreated together in belief crew.
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So they were the start.
Is that, is that serious enoughfor you?
I think so.
Is Christy stuck?
That is, that is definitelyserious enough.
No, she's back now.
I see her, um, give me, mycomputer has gone absolutely
bananas.
Gimme one second.
Christina's stuck.
That's all right.
Wait, can you guys hear me?
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That's a beautiful, beautifulthing though.
That's also a beautiful thing.
The fact that Yeah.
See, told you you could bring asmuch serious as you want.
We're not gonna that last long.
Still going back to the laughs.
Yep.
That's good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I don't know if I,should I continue?
Yeah, I, I, I have a questionalong, I mean, just I think
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going off kind of the samething, um.
Are we still recording though?
Did she do we?
Yes.
We're still recording.
Yes, we're Okay.
So I'm continuing.
Um, so how did you findyourself?
I think I read, so you, you havea tech background.
Yes.
That's initially where you camefrom.
So how, what happened that madethat, what was the spark that
you were Oh yeah.
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I'm totally gonna go from rerestart your computer to restart
your life.
Like, oh yeah.
I love that.
'cause that's what I used toalways tell my wife the most,
and she hated it.
Right?
Yep.
She's got, she's got like 40tabs on her browser.
Everything's open, you know,it's been that way for two
weeks.
(06:45):
Yeah.
I recommend that she has torestart and she is, I hate it
when you say that.
Hate it.
I hate it.
Yes.
Um, yeah, I think it's, no, itshould be done once a month or
so, I think, but yeah, I mean,I, you know, this is back in the
windows, 95 days.
No, just kidding.
But, uh, yeah, uh, that's a goodquestion.
Well, I mean, really it became anecessity I would say.
A couple things.
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One, I was, I was not veryconnected as an, as a tech
person, right?
I was.
Mm-hmm.
I was a dad who showed up in, inphysical presence without
connecting to anyone.
And, um, at a certain point,Jamie made it clear that, hey,
let's, let's shift it a littlebit.
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Let's, let's have more fun here.
And so then I started to ununravel.
Go ahead.
Yes.
So I decided that I, I reallywanna show up, right?
Like, I wanna be present.
I, we have six boys, so, um, ohmy goodness gracious.
So my oldest three, I don't knowyou guys aware, and, and of
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human design.
Do you know what that is at all?
No.
Okay, let give it to us.
All right.
So he, so there's a, you know,in the personality profile area,
there's so many, right?
You've got the disc and theMyers-Briggs and you name it.
There's so many.
Um, and then there's some, likemore, those, the, all of those
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pretty much say, okay, who areyou from your own perspective?
So you, we do the best we can toconnect to what we really care
about.
Now those can all change.
I mean, some of'em are betterat, uh, than others at changing,
but in particular, the disc,I've been every combination of
the disc since I took it 20years ago.
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Uh, because I've grown over, youknow, I'm, I've become more
connected to who I really am.
And so I, they're, they're greatfor their, the way that they can
be used.
And they are changeable becausewe're people and we don't often
know exactly who we are.
At least some of us don't.
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Human design, and there'sanother one that's closely
related to it.
Gene keys are much more based onwho are, who are you, not from
your perspective, but ratherfrom your birth time, from your,
from the energetic space of theworld, when, when you came to
being all of that.
Um, there's a lot more to it.
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It's not just astrological, it'sJewish mysticism on the, there's
a bunch of things.
I, I don't even know what, whatthey're, but the, mainly the,
the goal is to give you more ofyour gifts and more of who you
are.
And so, how did I get on that?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
We talked a little bit about, oryou told us a little bit how
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Jamie said, yeah, it's time foryou to be present and this is
where mm-hmm.
This is where we landed, right?
Yes.
So from the standpoint oflearning my own gifts and
getting an understanding of whatwould it look like me to be a
connected person.
To not be a tech person thatwants to show up as a hero every
day.
And I was a pretty good hero.
(09:54):
I, I liked responding to crisisand I did good with that.
And, um, I traveled well, thingslike that, that was all good.
But yet I wasn't, I was just,uh, destination thinking, right?
If I do this, then eventually I,I bring home the money and, um,
eventually I'll be happy.
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And so, um, I, I got a coach andI had a mentor that was a healer
and together both of'em are intheir sixties and that's the
setting, that's what started it.
Awesome.
I think that that is amazing.
So we, we've been talkingrecently, at least I've been
talking recently about it, youknow, what it, what it means to,
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what it means to be the hero.
Like,'cause that is a space Ienjoy a lot at work, so.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I get to show up, I get to solvethe problem.
Yeah.
I get to swoop in and everyone'slike, oh, you did such a good
job.
Thank you, thank you.
Mm-hmm.
But it, what it, what it gets mein the end is, you know, burnout
(10:59):
like mm-hmm.
I don't wanna show up at threeo'clock in the morning.
I don't wanna miss my familyvacation.
I don't wanna not be able to bepresent any place else in my
life except for what it takes toget somebody to tell me that I'm
awesome at work.
Like, that's just a tough placeto be.
And I think that's where a lotof people kind of start their
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journey of, you know, this isn'tas much fun as it was 25 years
ago.
Like, I don't really need you totell me I'm awesome these days.
I really need to be able to goto Red Rocks.
Unplug from, from being, beingyour hero for a bit.
Yes.
So that, that is, that is aninteresting, it, it always
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surprises me how, how manycoincidences happen in this
podcast.
Like the fact that you wouldstart there for why you decided
to, to take your journey is, isreally interesting.
Yeah.
So Sarah, would I, did Iinterrupt you?
I felt like I jumped over top ofyou again.
Always.
No, huh?
No, I'm remembering.
A lot of times the really greatthings, even in the movies
(12:03):
right, are come from a reallydark space.
And that, that year, 20 14, 2015, that was the hardest year of
my life for sure.
Um, we were having our fifthchild and uh, I had the biggest
project in the world and I wasthe lead on it.
(12:24):
It was awesome project.
But when you almost like feelguilty for even.
Right at the end was when we hadhim, when we had Oren, our fifth
one.
And, um, it was hard to be therebecause it was, I was so worried
about the team and the state ofthe situa of the, of the
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project.
Right.
So, I mean, I'm not gonna,neither no one's at fault for
that.
It was, it was, um, there was alot of things that all of us
learned.
Yes.
And that's, that was really mytakeaway from the year Right.
Is like, uh, well I needed a lotof wake up calls, so we, we had
that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I can, I can, I can a hundredpercent understand that.
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All right, so let's, let's dig alittle bit deeper into kind of
what, what you and what I'vecalled in, in all of my notes,
the crew.
So when you, what matters themost to you guys?
So when you are working withyour clients, when you're
building your kind of community,what core values are you always
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kind of returning to?
So a lot of what we've beentrying to do recently with our,
with our self-help and with alot of kind of learning how to
grow as people has been based onfiguring out our values is
really hard.
Like to kind of tie into Discand Myers Briggs and all that.
I'll give you a differentpersonality depending on what I
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think you wanna hear.
Yeah.
Because I am, the brain on megets that.
I, I just want you to like meand if you want me to be an ENJM
at C, then I'll be an EMJ, FKFC,whatever it is.
You want me to, I'll answer inthe way that it makes you like
me.
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So what very in expressiveinfluencer that, that knows how
to navigate that all veryeasily.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm anexpressive influencer.
That will just be a littlechameleon as long as at the end
you say, what a great job I'mdoing.
I am a, yeah, I have a veryspecific need.
Um, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
So what, when you are, whenyou're working with people and
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you're trying to get people to,to kind of go through that
journey, what are the valuesthat, that you, and, you know,
Jamie's your wife, right?
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
What values do you guys comeback to, to kind of ground
yourselves in, in mm-hmm.
Helping ground people in theirvalues, I think is what I'm
asking.
Yeah.
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Well, what we focus on is thesacred things about each person.
Like honestly, there's a lot ofthings that we don't listen to
about ourselves.
And when we let ourselves gothere and, and have those
conversations, then we can startfiguring out what we really want
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in life.
We are right now.
It's, it's interesting.
I mean, we kind of have a mix ofpeople, younger people, like in
their thirties that areinterested.
Some of those maybe will turninto clients, but most of our
clients are actually in theirlate fifties or or early
sixties.
And what they've, they usuallyhave a business, which is kind
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of our space.
We work with entrepreneurs andthey, uh, they have something
they wanted to do with theirlife, but they haven't got there
entirely, not to their ownsatisfaction at least.
That doesn't mean they haven'tbeen successful from a monetary
standpoint or something else,but they, they, they always
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wanted to do something.
And now that.
There's a time clock ticking alittle bit.
They, they want to figure thatout.
And that includes actually acoach of my, the original coach
of mine.
He, he wants to, I hope, I thinkhe'll be fine with me sharing
that.
He wants to do more speaking.
He wants to get his, he actuallywould be a great radio host.
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He, he started in radio in theeighties.
Um, and yeah, so he, he, he, wecame to him, he helped us and
now we're helping him workthrough that.
So there's to, to go down thatroad, we need to understand a
whole different set of thingsand what you learned in college.
We need to know, um, a lot moreabout your spiritual gifts,
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which is human design.
And uh, Jean Keys will help youdo those.
Or free pro profiles you can doonline.
Um.
Now human design is a monstroussitu, like go talk to a
certified person.
I'm not even certified.
I use it a lot, but I have noclue what it really says.
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Um, so there's a lot ofcomplication to that.
Gene case is much easier tounderstand.
But there's it, those profilesgive you more about what are the
gifts that you bring to thetable.
And we have natural gifts thatwe see and, and, and understand
all the time, like people thatrun fast and people that are
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funny and all that, right?
And then there's this other,those things matter very much.
And there's this other side ofour gifts portfolio that we
don't pay attention to.
And that could be healing or itcould be, uh, I mean you can use
all kinds of different.
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Approaches to look at what thosegifts are.
There's, there's one profilethat's fine, fairly new, um,
from the table group in near SanFrancisco and in California it's
called the Working Genius thatdoesn't really deal with
spiritual gifts, but they getpretty close in a personality
profile.
They, they teach you about thegift that you bring to work and,
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um, for example, and that helpsus start to think about, okay,
so there's a process to work.
How do I fit into that?
Uh, that's one example.
Um, but just diving into thatand who am I, what gifts do I
really have?
And what is my, what is thething that's so deep in my heart
and my soul that I wanna do?
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Like if, if we, if our approachis to build something and do
something repetitively to copein life and then to retire and
suddenly be happy.
I don't think that works.
And I think pretty much all ofus that are under 50 or so don't
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have no interest in that reallydeep down, if we're really
honest at all.
And that's what we're beingsold.
And so we're helping people getaway from that.
No, I've really, I really likethe idea of what, what, what
gifts do, what gifts do I bring.
It's a, it's a question thatI've had to answer over and over
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and over and over again in, inmy career.
And Sarah, I don't, I don't knowabout you and, and Becca as you
start your journey.
Like, why, why am I gonna takethis job?
And at the beginning I will takethat job because I am starving
and I would like a place tolive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And if I don't take this job, Iwill have to continue to work at
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Cinnabon at the mall.
It's really still why I have thejob that I do.
I mean, I still, I'm having alot of trouble right now doing
like my, my, um, developmentalplan thing and my goals and
shit, because I'm literally, mygoal is to not get fired.
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Like I, I feel that and I showup to get paid.
That's literally the extent ofmy job.
I don't know, like that's, yeah.
Anyway, yeah.
I mean, so my day job, that's,I've never really found, um, a
day job where I was able to getinto what I really felt was my
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gift, but that's why I am doingmy side job now, so, yes.
Which, I mean, for manyAmericans, that's, that's where
it is right now is so manypeople have a side gig of some
type that's really their, wheretheir heart is.
And then how do you turn thatinto something that supports
you?
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That's, that's the hard part.
Yeah.
That's where the, that's thesecret sauce.
Does that make sense?
Secret sauce, I think a secretsauce.
There is secret supplies,secret.
It's, uh, cheese sauce.
Like it always goes, it alwayscheese sauce.
Yeah.
But I, I mean that's where,that's, that's where I am now
is, is figuring out and mm-hmm.
Trying things out and what'sgonna make it work to be what I
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actually do, which I know yearsoff of that, but mm-hmm.
Um, I can say that this ispossible.
This is the work I'm doing.
Mm-hmm.
On the side.
And I don't know if I mentionedKevin in an email to you.
Uh, I'm starting my own coachingbusiness, so that is just.
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It's ridiculously fulfilling andI haven't even made a cent yet.
So it's just, and it, it camefrom this podcast and it came
from getting feedback from ourlisteners and having an impact.
And that filled a little bit ofmy heart in a way that I never
experienced before.
Mm-hmm.
And that's how kind of myjourney started in that.
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Um, but I, I, I feel there's alot of us that are in that same
space.
Yes.
Yep.
Yes.
Cici was just lucky to have a,have a job that.
She actually liked to do from ayoung age.
'cause she's weird.
I mean, but, but you, you stillhave to figure out who you are
in this job.
Yes.
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So, uh, Kevin, I do clinicalresearch, so, you know mm-hmm.
I was pretty fortunate to beable to really see some amazing
things happen, like get involvedwith companies where they're
using gene therapy to makelittle kids here.
I mean, I'll continue to talkabout that until I die.
That was the most amazing ask.
You should, like, how, how doyou, how do you beat that?
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Like, continue to be involvedwith, with these things where
you feel and.
Sometimes it's, it's not reallyfun.
Like earlier today, I could havethroat punched, um, somebody who
is really trying to do good,good work, but not in the way
that I want them to do goodwork.
Mm-hmm.
But, you know, you, you have tofind a way to, and this kind of
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gets into my next question.
You, you have to find a way tobring who you are to your work
and get, get something back inreturn.
And I think that that's where,that's where a lot of people
are, are looking at and beinglike, no, I don't wanna show up
every day and I don't wannaupdate the project plan and I
don't wanna.
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I don't wanna do the risk log.
What's up Sarah?
Me, me, me.
That's, you don't, I don't carehow No.
I wanted to say, like you said,bring, bring you and your
talents or however you justworded it.
And, um, the second, uh,quarterly wellness newsletter
went out to the company.
Yes, Kevin.
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I work in it.
Oh, me.
Yeah.
That's what I did for 25 years.
Yeah.
And my, uh, my boss during mylast review wanted to know,
what, what drives you?
What do you wanna do?
I was like, I wanna help peopleand not with computers.
Mm-hmm.
And so one of the things I, Ipitched was.
Some sort of wellness newsletterthat goes out to the whole
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company.
Well, just to our group really.
And it ended up, I, it goes outto the whole company.
So I, I sweet sent out my, mysecond one and got a lot of good
feedback.
So, and my boss today commentedon it in our meeting and said
that, yeah, it might not be it,but it's a great visibility.
Yeah.
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You're a few people.
Maybe you're a future peopleofficer.
There you go.
Yeah.
Mm.
That still seems way toocorporate-y, but, okay.
Well, it's kind of the idea ofhaving coaching in, in, uh, I am
sure there's all kinds ofdifferent flavors, right.
But there's, there is, there arecoaches that do focus in
corporate.
Yeah.
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And, and even small business, ifthat's where you're at, you
know.
For sure.
Sorry.
Si.
I, I interrupted.
I was just excited.
Yeah, that's alright.
I lost my, my newsletter.
I was just gonna, I was justgonna validate my own personal
decisions, uh, to, to not, uh,operate a side business and say
like, you can find what youneed, uh, if you're willing to
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frame your mind in the right wayinside of a, inside of a
structure.
But you have to find a placewhere you can give yourself to
it.
Where I can get on the phonewith somebody who works with me
and be like, Hey ass hat.
Let's, let's settle down andfigure out what we're gonna do.
I have to be someplace wherethat's gonna be an acceptable
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start to a meeting.
Hmm.
What the hell is going on?
I am, I am never gonna be supersuccessful at a, at a
corporation where realness isn'ttolerated.
And it took me a long time tokind of get there from where I
started in.
Only in the past couple yearshave I been like, if that's how
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the work gets done, and that'show I bring forward momentum to
something, then that's just asvalid as the person who writes a
very, uh, formal, very tight,very succinct email.
Like, these are two, uh, twoflavors of how we get stuff
done.
And you just have to find theright place for the way that
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you're gonna do it.
And even though I didn't have,even though I didn't have a
coach, I had you and I had thepodcast and I had, uh, I had, I
had you to tell me all alongthat what you're doing is fine.
Like what you're doing is fine.
That's.
Even though we didn't realizethat it was coaching, it was
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exactly coaching.
So even though I didn't have aformal coach, I did have you and
the podcast and you know,eventually Becca to kind of push
me in a direction where I wascool and okay with being who I
am at work.
Yeah, I think that's kind of thepoint of everything we did,
everything we're doing.
Tying it back into, into themental health and the mental
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wellness kind of piece of it, alot of it was kind of making
peace with who I am as a, as aspicy neurodivergent person.
Like even though I lookperfectly normal on the outside,
inside, inside, don't getyourself so much credit.
Isn't she terrible, Becca?
Isn't she awful?
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Imagine growing up with it, likethe therapy, you literally were
like, Hey, you literally werelike, Hey, set me the ball.
And I did know, and you werelike, or no, you set me the ball
and I just killed it.
That's what it was.
Lambed it down, right?
That was awesome.
I sure did.
Okay, go ahead.
Anyway.
Like, sorry.
So let's talk about people onsome sort of spectrum.
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Right.
Um, what I see when I talk tothem is very gifted people,
super gifted that I, there'sthis one kid that I, that I love
talking to, and he, um, he seespeople that are missing, you
know, probably they died, uh,most likely he sees them and,
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and other things that are normalfor them for, I wouldn't say
challenged, I would say gifted.
And that's, that's the way it'sbeen for, for someone that is
dyslexic.
Is often a good business owner.
And my father-in-law is, uh,definitely dyslexic and he's
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worth a lot of millions, youknow?
And, um, so he's a goodentrepreneur.
He's, he does that prettyeasily, other than the typical
fear that all of us would have.
Right.
Um, so yeah, I think, I think wehave an opportunity to look at
things a little differently withthe information that we have
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today.
And, um, I, I should warn peoplethough, when you go down this
road, if you're gonna say, okay,I'm gonna figure my calling out,
suddenly what we're reallysigning up for is that the
things that are, that matter themost to us, they might include
different people.
They might include, like, welive in Mexico last year, at the
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beginning of, um, uh, January,beginning of 2004.
We decided that we were gonnamove to Mexico in a space of two
hours because of a conversationwe had.
And because we just felt withinthat two hour period that we
needed to do that as part of ourbusiness.
And we went down and told ourboys, we had, you know, a seven
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bedroom house.
I had everything that I everdreamt of, definitely had
exceeded my expectations forlife from a, you know, having
things standpoint.
And then we had, then we had theopportunity to, uh, to figure
out how to give that all awayand, and, uh, sell our house
and, and leave the US notpermanently obviously, but, but,
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um, move in.
We call it seven bedrooms.
The seven suitcases.
So I'm not saying that's thepath for everyone, but I do
think it's good to warn peoplethat you're signing up for the
things that matter most to you.
That doesn't usually mean whereyou are right now.
And the people that you're withright now and the setting that,
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and some of the things that youthink really matter to you right
now, you're asking for somethingdifferent, and that's what we'll
get.
I think that's one of thehardest things.
Yeah.
I mean, we and I, well, I thinkit's hard to explain that, and I
think it's hard.
That's the hardest thing toaccept when you're trying to
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change, but that's part of the,what I like to say all the time
is this shit's hard.
This isn't easy, it'suncomfortable.
When I worked with my coach,mm-hmm.
The best things that came out ofme we're in my worst times.
Yep.
We're in the times where I wasso uncomfortable.
Like she asked me a few sessionsin what, what works the best,
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well, I hate to say it, but whenyou push me to a point where I'm
very uncomfortable, I feelthat's where I make the most
progress.
And that's kind of, that's,that's part of it, that's the
uncomfortable thing, is beingable to say, Hey, I need to make
some big freaking changes in mylife.
And unfortunately, that'sprobably gonna include saying
bye to a few people.
Yeah.
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And, and we don't have to say,we're saying bye outta love.
We're just, we're just not quitespending as much time.
Yeah.
And it's not anything aboutthem.
I think one of the things that,that most beautiful things I've
learned in this process is tohave a different conversation
with my parents than I ever, andmy mom's, obviously she's here,
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but she's in a different spotthan I ever dreamed of having.
And it made it so much better tosay to them in a certain way.
When we're pushing ourselvesoutside of our comfort zone, our
parents suddenly become like,we're being different than what
they wanted us to be or what wethought they wanted us to be,
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would be a better way to say it.
'cause technically our parentswant us to succeed beyond them.
Right?
But they also wanna keep ussafe.
So, so the, the conversation of,uh, mom and dad, I, I honor you
and I love you.
And because of that, I step intomy calling and because of that
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I'm figuring this out.
And yes, it's not gonna feelsafe sometimes'cause it's
different, but I'm doing thatbecause I honor you and because
I love you.
And I learned that down here.
And there's a, there's areverence in Mexico for your
ancestors.
And um, yeah, there was a coachthat I had that lives him here
in Mexico and.
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There's something that's very,there's just a huge reverence
for their, an ancestors here,for the Mayans.
Uh, I live in the Riviera Mayera area in the Yucatan, so
south of, uh, PTO, Carmen.
And this is an area that's verymuch Mayan.
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There's all kinds of different,uh, ruins and, and everything
is, and even the names areMayan.
And so there's just this, evenin say, some of their ceremonies
that they do, they, that's apart of it where they think
their ancestors and, but I wasworking with a coach on, over
the last year, just kind ofdeconstructing some of my
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childhood stuff.
And she offered to me that if Iresist anything from the
programming I got from myparents, that I'm actually
causing it to cycle again andagain.
Right.
So to reframe that, what we didis this conversation of mom and
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dad, I honor you and I love you,and because I honor you and I
love you, I step into thiscalling that I'm being asked to
move into.
And, and then we close with thesame thing.
And, and just like leavingeverything that's their struggle
at their feet.
Not, not because they deserveit, but because it's not mine.
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And I, I don't need to carry itaround anymore.
So I, I really appreciated that.
Yeah.
I like that.
Like a, um, like a very reverentversion of mm-hmm.
This is not my circus.
Those are your monkeys.
Yeah.
Yep.
I hope you enjoy them.
I have.
I love these other monkeys.
Yes, exactly.
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Yep.
Yep.
I love that.
Yep.
Yep.
Yeah, I think when, when we,when we talk about making,
making big changes, like, youknow, back when we started this,
I was like, that book title hasthe f word in it that is going
to be a great self-help book forme.
And Uhhuh.
Sarah and I cycled through, Idon't know, six or seven.
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We got into, we got into thisone and then we were Atomic
Habits and we were, uh, we werelet them for a half a heartbeat.
Second.
I mean, but no, it's the firThose first three were the ones,
yeah.
Like wait, and, and constantlywe're looking for, um, should,
alright, well, tell me what Ishould do.
Tell me what I should do.
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Tell me what I do next.
Yeah.
Tell, give me, do you have achecklist?
Is there a workbook?
Oh, if we have a workbook, we'lldefinitely be able to, to change
our lives.
And it, it, it turns out inorder to change your life, you
really need to.
Just do the work, put in the,the work, the effort, the
willingness to be uncomfortable,the willingness to understand
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that if you would like your lifeto be different, you're going to
have to act different and dothings different.
And how you get there is a lotof where it, you know, the hard
stuff happens.
No one can tell you exactly howno one's got a, no one's got a
checklist for you.
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Unless that checklist my C does,unless that checklist is, I love
a good freaking checklist too.
Get ready to be uncomfortable inthese 50 ways.
Like, yes, but.
You know, even, even if thatchecklist is, it'd be
uncomfortable, you're, you'regonna have to, you're gonna have
to put yourself there.
You're gonna have to, like, youcan't, you can't get up to the
point of, oh yeah, checklistsays I should do X, but X seems
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super hard and there's anotherself-help book right over there
that I could just read that one.
So you we're, we are trying toavoid the situation where we, we
just keep getting the sameadvice and keep ignoring.
Mm-hmm.
The same advice.
So how do you make sure that thegrowth happens as a coach?
How do you empower people to belike, look, I know it's hard and
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I know that you are go, I amgonna be uncomfortable.
You're gonna be uncomfortable.
Everything is going topotentially feel terrible for a
minute, but we're gonna get pastit.
How do you, how do you getpeople to do that?
What's your, what's the secretsauce?
Sarah will steal it and put itinto hers.
Yeah, yeah.
No, she won't.
I swear she has her own stuff.
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Well, we live in a world where,um, where.
There's no IP in this spaceanymore.
I, I'd love to give everyone allthe things that we've learned
and hopefully you would try someof'em out and give'em back to me
and perfect it.
Yeah, right.
We're going into a space herethat's that none of us really
know what we're doing and we'rejust experimenting.
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And I mean, I think when youhave a meeting, and Sarah,
you're gonna understand thiseasily when you create enough
emotional space that the personunderstands that when they
arrive, it's all about them.
And then you're gonna build sometrust.
I mean, this, we could use thisconcept for every relationship
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that we have.
I know I'm still working ongiving my wife enough sp, uh,
emotional space, right?
Like it's, I I am learning 20years, 30 years too late.
But, you know, still, I'm, I'mlearning now that there's
certain things about the way sheneeds to process the
conversation.
And I, for some reason neverfigured this out before.
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Right.
It's hard.
Again, shit's hard.
So, so that's a good place tostart is, I mean, I remember one
story, my coach, whose name isMark, and he, he had, he would,
he did a lot of these discthings where he would show up
and talk to people about theirdisc, but he'd give'em a chance
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to tell their story.
Every single one of them.
And this one lady, it was, shebroke down and just basically
was like, I haven't told anyone,but I was raped last week.
And he's like, what?
But that's the kind of thingthat happens when you show up
and someone senses like, oh mygoodness, this person's actually
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here for me.
And, um, obviously he didn'thelp her with, well, I'm sure he
did help as much as he could,but I obviously he would've told
her to, to get some help, um,to, to process that.
But yeah, that's, that's thekind of stuff that comes up
automatically.
I think if we're aware of, ifwe're doing the work ourselves,
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that's the most important.
If I stop doing the work, even10 years after starting, and I'm
showing up to calls and, and notcontinuing my own work, then I'm
not gonna show up I would in avulnerable space if I am.
And that's, that's the biggestdifference between an entry
level coach and an advancedcoach, is understanding how much
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there is ongoing and gettingthat team in place.
And if I could do anything over,starting with my much bigger
bank account would be, I wouldstart there.
I would build my team.
And recognize and figure out howto get this in my mind that I
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need to, to continue the workand figure that out.
How am I gonna, um, create thatplan to continue my own work?
And I think that would've been alittle bit easier, but maybe I
couldn't have done it faster,which is completely fine too.
Like I needed a lot of time to,to get out of my work addiction
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for, for the beginning, youknow?
Yes.
It's very hard.
Yes.
I was, that was one of thethings that my coach would
always tell me though.
She just, she was very adamantthat she would never give me any
sort of assignment or push, likeshe did everything that she did
with me, she had experienced,she had worked through, or
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however you wanna put it.
And I thought that was, that waspretty, I don't.
Comforting, I guess.
Mm-hmm.
As a, as a client, like knowingthat that she's been there.
Yeah.
And that she was kind of in thesame situation, even though our
stories are very different.
So I think that that's, that'ssomething I hope to continue.
Mm-hmm.
Along my practice.
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I don't have any plans tosuggest anything too crazy'cause
I haven't done anything toocrazy yet, so.
Mm-hmm.
But, but yeah, I think I agreewith you.
That's one of the things is thatI feel as a coach that we can
never stop working on ourselvesif we're not working on
ourselves and we're notcontinuing to grow and push
ourselves.
I don't think it's very fairthat we ask other people to do
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it.
That's just me, you know?
And I have a half a client, so,yeah.
I mean, like, don't, don't, um,undervalue that, uh, a lot of,
one thing I I work on a lot isworking with women to want women
entrepreneurs to let go of allthe stigmas that make it so that
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it's.
Hard to do this and whateverstage you're at, if you're doing
it, just, I mean, be thankfulthat you're there because it's,
it's pretty hard.
And it, and it's the same issuefor guys, it's just a different
set of issues.
The whole idea, I mean, one ofmy biggest things is the money
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thing, right?
Like, you gotta this, I have to,I used to do a lot of sales in
tech and it's, okay, so let's,let's create what we're doing
and then let's sell it.
No, that's not what works inthis space.
We have to be it.
And then by being it, we can putit out there.
So we all, we all have our ownstuff to work through past life.
(42:18):
Some sometimes inherited issuesthat have to do with, and, and
even cultural issues that haveto do with a woman being in
charge of something.
Which, yeah, I mean, that, thatwas, that's been a big struggle
for my wife.
She's the, she's the CEOI reportto her.
So, um, that, but that's theperfect situation for her to
(42:40):
address the things.
She gets big visions in life.
She's the visionary.
And, um, yeah, the rest of ushave to help her through that
process and get to what reallyis what she wants to do and, um,
and then do it for alongside ofher.
Yeah.
That's, um, again, uh, I feelwe've, uh, uh, we've come full
(43:01):
circle here a couple of times.
Oftentimes I'm the only girl inthe room, uh, oftentimes I'm
the, I'm the one who, uh, youknow, has to say things.
Let's go, let's, uh, come on.
Let's, let's get it done.
And like the traditional, uh,you know, kind of.
Girl cheerleader things aren'tnecessarily gonna work or
(43:23):
resonate with the people that Igotta motivate.
So you gotta kind of figure out,all right, well, I guess I'm not
gonna be the cheerleader in thiscase.
I'm gonna be the um, uh, loudmouth sort of truck driver.
And again, kind of getting backto my chameleon kind of
personality, just gotta figureout what's gonna, and kind of
step away from, oh, I can't dothat because I'm, you know, I'm
just a girl.
(43:44):
I'm just a girl.
Mm-hmm.
And it, that took, I don't know.
Still, still, I'll find myselflike defaulting to, Hey guys,
come on, let's, let me grabthese, these pom-poms and let's
talk about how we can have a peprally.
I was just gonna say, I couldsee you with pompoms, right?
(44:06):
Yeah.
But that's not the thing that'sgonna capture anybody's
attention.
You showing up and throwingaround a well-placed FBO is
gonna be the thing that makespeople go.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
You need to make that face.
'cause we need to get going.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and we've, uh, we've, youknow, it, it gets back to a lot
of the stuff that we've talkedabout is finding out who, who
(44:29):
you are and who you can bring toit that's maybe a little bit
different than what you'retraditionally supposed to do in
those situations.
Take note, Becca.
Save yourself like 20 years of sThere you go.
I'll toss mine out.
I think one of the cool thingsabout today is that people, I
(44:50):
don't, Rebecca, Rebecca, I don'tknow how old you are, so, um,
but I'm 23.
Okay.
So people your age and younger,they actually, they get this
stuff.
They, they, they were born withit.
A lot of them cheaters and sothey're, one thing that I've
really grown to learn as a dadof six boys is that, um, you
(45:17):
know.
Little kids when they're so alittle baby, that's a more
spiritual version of a humanbeing than the adult.
And if we wanna learn somethingfrom someone, go find a kid,
they're spiritual, right?
Like, they actually get things.
And so we, we built a society inthe US that's actually the exact
(45:38):
backwards.
Um, it's just, it doesn't workbecause we're trying to teach
all of our kids what we neededto succeed.
The last generation, this hasprobably always been this way.
It wasn't just the us but thething is like, we're so safety
focused and so fear based thatit's gotta stop.
(46:00):
We can't, it's not gonna work.
So we can start paying attentionto our kids.
This is, so we, we read a book,uh, the name of the book is
Summer Hill and it's about a, aschool in the middle of the UK
summer.
And in the 1950s, like this is70 years ago, they were doing
this stuff.
Uh, they had a boarding schoolwhere the kids picked what they
(46:23):
wanted to do, and it's quiteamazing.
The thing I love about the bookis the author and the person
that had the school and designedthe school, he told you about
the disadvantages to his plan.
Like he was honest andvulnerable about it, and there
was some things that didn't goso great, but ultimately they
(46:43):
had a, they got the kids thatdidn't fit in, that were the
rule breakers.
And, and so it's very impressiveand that's what we've done with
our kids.
We do soul school.
We focus on not what's going to,what we think might work in the
future, but we allow them topick what they're gonna do.
(47:05):
And, uh, it's quite amazing.
To watch what my 5-year-old,he's like a language, a language
expert.
Um, I have, I feel sometimes Ifeel we've taught him almost
nothing, and yet he learns itthrough the air.
I I have no idea how he does it.
He, he can, of course, he's gota great memory and he, he does a
(47:29):
lot of different games and stuffon, you know, on the switch or
whatever, but he, he'll read thescreen partially because he
probably heard it from someoneon a YouTube video or something.
But also he, he learned thealphabet by himself.
He, um, he's amazing.
And he's the one that we've let,like from, we worked with him
(47:51):
from when he was in the womb,like energetically, and so we've
really.
Done the opposite, like let himlead and we're the ones that are
supporting him from day one.
And it's, it's amazing to watch.
And now he's probably, there'sprobably some gifted things
about him too, but that's whatmakes it amazing to watch.
(48:14):
And, and all of us are that way.
Right?
He's, he is a little bit likeyou in that Christine is, what's
your name?
It says Chris, but I, I don'tknow Christine.
Mm-hmm.
Christine.
Okay.
Yeah.
I call her Christine.
I call her sissy too, so Iprobably don't know.
Yeah.
Okay.
I was, I'm named challenged.
So anyway, she, he's so peopleoriented.
(48:35):
Like he could be one of thosestreamers that just talks
nonstop.
He does to all of us.
He is, he's just this chattyperson that goes around the
house and just engages everyoneand everything.
Right.
And anyway, so, but what I wouldsay to you, Sarah, as a coach.
Find a friend in your networkthat does something like
healing, energy healing orsomething, do a session with
(48:58):
someone together, and this iswhat we started to do.
Take pe, take your differentgifts that you offer someone
get, just experiment with this.
Have a session where you cantalk about what's going on in
someone's life and also, and dothis with someone that's done
some work for a while so they,they know how to be vulnerable.
(49:19):
And also with someone that canhelp you with limiting beliefs
and have fun with that.
To me, it's the best becausewhat happens is, this is why I
do what I do, is I, I needed allthis help.
And then I started to realize,oh, I can do this.
And so I started to learnmostly.
Like in it, I had everycertification test that I ever,
(49:42):
you know, dreamt of getting.
But I don't do that here.
I, I do have a couplecertifications.
I've, I've mostly though learnfrom people.
It's just helps me not engage myknowledge side and more my
intuitive side.
But I, that's what we areexperimenting with.
And what we're building in ourteam is where we take people
that have these different gifts.
We like to pair someone that'sgot the gift of discernment,
(50:05):
usually the coach with someonethat's, um, more emotional and
more like a healer.
And we put those two togetherand then see what happens with
supporting our clients.
And so far we've loved it.
I think it's, I love that.
Yeah.
It's a concept.
Like if you think about, um, I'mfrom the Midwest Mayo Clinic.
(50:26):
What they did with doctors isputting all the experts in one
room and talking with the, whatthe patient quote unquote.
Instead of having one doctor,and then the other one and the
other one come all day, they putthem together and talk together.
And that's kind of the conceptof what we're doing of like, um,
I, I mean, we could put ahypnotist and a healer and a
(50:46):
coach in the room or whatever,whatever's appropriate and just
dive into what's possible.
And that's what I think it'swhen it gets really fun, is when
you allow yourself to startexperimenting with the concept
of doing work.
And to what Christine is saying,as long as we're doing that
work, we're, we're in the same,like there's something that's
(51:08):
connecting us, all of us doingwork together.
It's just like we get to havethe real thing that we want in
life.
Yeah.
I love that.
It's so a, again, I am, uh, justgobsmacked.
If I could use the wordgobsmacked'cause I think we're
gonna have to bring it back.
Becca, take note.
Uh, we're gonna bring gobs back.
Back.
We even know really what gobs,like where does it, where did
(51:29):
did it come from?
What does it really mean?
Hearsay?
Which cookies?
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
So that came up and smackedsomebody else right in the face
with a big sandwich cookie.
Is that what hap I was thinkingcob stoppers.
No, no.
Yeah, me too.
It's kind of a word that makesyou think of many things at
once.
Right?
Right.
I'm, I'm, it's very weird.
I'm on for it.
Okay, go ahead.
But you know, it's so.
(51:50):
It, it, everything is sointeresting and it's
interconnectedness.
Olivia comes into my officetoday and she's, Hey, what do
you know, what do you know aboutchakras?
And I'm like, nothing.
Where would I ever find achakra?
And she's like, look at thesememes.
Sounds painful.
Mm-hmm.
Look at these memes I'vedownloaded.
So she's talking to her roommateMary and Mary's going through
(52:10):
some stuff, and she's like,listen, look at these, look at
these things.
Let's talk about it.
And I, you know, for the firsttime in like a hundred years, I
was like, you know, maybe Iopened my mind up to something
that isn't, that isn't, youknow, a, a cut and dry kind of
thing.
And I'll, yeah.
(52:30):
I'm like, yes, send it to me.
Show it to me.
Let me see what's, let me seewhat's happening.
And then Kevin, to hear youtalking about combining healing
with doing actual work and justhaving a bit of that sort of
like open-mindedness to, to someof these things like.
Earlier in our podcast, we werereally touching on meditation,
really touching on, you know,ways to, ways to affect your
(52:53):
consciousness that mm-hmm.
For, for us, always tied backinto taking, taking an action,
looking at something and takingan action, looking at something
and taking an action.
But it, you know, kind of havingthat open-mindedness to say,
yeah, look at, look at, look atthe, the chakra or whatever it
is that, that leads you to do, Ithink is the, is the place
(53:17):
where, where we came to, youknow, some, some kind of overlap
with those things.
But again, gobsmack to that,Olivia's in my office talking
about doing some of this.
And then, and then you're heretalking about how like
collectively working on a personin, in ways that, that may be
unexpected, like.
(53:37):
And a theme throughout my day today has been working with
different groups of people thatmake me wanna throat punch them,
but are also necessary for us toget our stuff done like it is,
um, again, kind of, kind ofwild, the way the universe lines
up sometimes.
So I will leave.
They are chakra specific forthroat punching?
(53:59):
Yeah, the throat chakra.
Yeah, I think it's right here.
Okay.
I think it's this one.
Okay.
Listen, you know, I'm just new.
I'm just a baby here, so, butKevin, is that, is that kind of
like what, does chakras haveanything to do with what you're
talking about or I just makingup connections in my head.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Actually, uh, we could connectposts to what I talk about with,
(54:22):
with chakras.
Not actually, not because it'sthe center, but it's just
related.
Like, um, I learned.
Maybe that my energy mentor, Idunno if he talked about chakras
too much, but I tried to learnabout what, what he was doing
because he wasn't, he wasn'tlike a teacher so much.
He was more of like, Hey, do youknow you could do this?
(54:46):
And um, so I found someone, hername is Cindy Dale, and she's
amazing.
I've taken some of her classesand actually just purchased one
the other day.
I need to get started on, onphysical healing.
And she, um, she talks a lotabout, she's done a lot of
integration across multiplecultures, so she's fun to talk
(55:08):
to because what you find out ifyou start to look into shocker
systems and stuff like that isthere's different ones.
And so it's like, well, whichone is real?
Right.
Um, I like Cindy because she'sdone, she's.
Gone and talked to people andreally kind of understood.
There's slightly differentperspectives, but pretty much
everyone agrees it's just thatyou have to get past the slight
(55:30):
differences.
And so she's done that and thenpublished books to explain like
why.
And Cindy is, um, speaking ofsomeone that's, you know, she
was, her mother was physicallyabused while she was in the
womb, and she's one of the rarepeople that knows, like she
remembers the womb.
(55:52):
Um, because she was not in aplace of safety, she was also
part of that experience.
And, um, and a lot of, I don'tknow, like whether she was
gifted before that and then shewas more gifted.
I don't know how that all works,but like, she's hugely gifted.
Like she's one of those peoplethat can see, um.
(56:13):
See your chakras, see your aura.
Like she chakras are actuallypretty complicated when you
think about them in reality andshe can see them in detail.
Sorry, hit my mic.
Um, she can, happens all thetime.
See your aura.
She does a lot with working onthe aura.
And the aura is a place that canhold a lot of stuff.
Trauma from, um, even yourparents, uh, things that aren't
(56:37):
even ours we take on becausewe're so kind and loving people.
And yeah, she can see all that.
She can see so much and justvery gifted.
And so she teaches other peopleall kinds of things about the
spiritual realm and, and how towork with people.
One of the things she teachesis, um, healing is, is really
(56:58):
like just returning things tothe way that they're meant to
be.
It's not any rocket scientist.
Right?
And, and really we're supposed,like, that's something that we
are meant to know.
We're all healers.
We can all receive healing andum, obviously we have different
approaches.
Um, but yeah, healing is, isjust, it's honestly, it's just
(57:22):
receiving love.
Um, what, what causes a, aproblem in the body?
Like if you look at the scienceof this, right?
There's this book called TheBiology of Belief, and there's a
stem cell researcher you can getinto this stuff.
Um, Bruce Lipton, Dr.
Bruce Lipton was at, I believe,uh, university of Madison,
(57:42):
Wisconsin.
And, um, he was trying to tiegene genes to disease, but he
absolutely failed and ended upquitting the whole place because
he, he proved that theenvironment, he had two, two
Petri dishes.
The cells differed depending onthe energy that was around them.
(58:06):
And so he basically said he, hetried to commence his whole
group, uh, the whole facultythat, Hey, we're wrong.
We gotta like start payingattention to this.
And they kicked him out.
And, um, anyway, um, so there'smore to that story I am sure
than what I took out of it.
But we, our energy, everythingabout us, um, really we're meant
(58:29):
to be a source of love.
We are love.
That's a hard part.
That maybe the hardest thing.
That's what the work really is,is to come to grips with that,
to learn, to love ourselves, toaccept that we are love.
That's a tough one, especiallyfor a lot of us that came from a
Christian background.
Nothing against that background.
It's just like somehow we,there's some stuff that isn't
(58:52):
quite true that we tend tobelieve and it's.
If you actually know the truth,then you can go back and kind of
understand where we went wrongon some of it, right?
Um, it's not really that it, theteach the source teaching's
wrong.
It's what we've done with it.
But that being said, we're alsoall of our chakras, what they're
(59:13):
there for is to process energy.
The primarily and most powerfulenergy to, for them to process
is love and, and good energy,right?
So what happens when you havelimiting beliefs or you have
emotions trapped in your body,or you have other things, you
block it and suddenly you'renot, you're not loving yourself
(59:33):
in some way, right?
So, for example, this is asimple example in your root
chakra, we are meant to beconnected to our environment in
a powerful, thankful, andappreciative way That includes
our job.
And if we sort force ourselvesto do the work that we don't
actually like doing, and if weare in an environment that's not
(59:56):
supportive, we're traumatizingour root chakra.
So, um, and the, the earth is acenter of love as well.
The heavens are the, you know,unconditional love from God or
however you wanna think aboutit, than from the earth and from
ourselves.
And so the root chakra goes intothe earth, grounds us, connects
us to that love and we're meantto.
(01:00:19):
Right outside my window, beforeI got on the podcast, there was
a monkey.
I was watching him and I, what amonkey outside my window.
No, you don't.
I love live in the jungle.
Sorry, Kevin.
I mean, there's some really badthings about, I mean, I have
that monkey, but yeah, I mean,there's some bad things about
living in the jungle, by theway.
I mean, we have scorpions, wehave huge spiders.
We have millions of ants thatdecide to go, you know what,
(01:00:40):
sorry, I'm great with that.
I'm perfectly fine with thatmonkey.
And I'm like, Amazon boss.
If someone would've told methis, I wouldn't live here.
But I'm glad I do and I'velearned to love spiders
actually.
Yeah, whatever.
It's a long story.
I won't get into it, but I, I,I'm learning to love even the
strangest things.
I have not figured out how tolove scorpion.
I'm fine with no, pretty muchkilling those.
(01:01:02):
They don't seem to have goodenergy, but spiders actually do,
and I've hated spiders all mylife anyway, so, yeah.
No, I love, IIII love that my,my daughter is like, no, look,
you, you, Sarah, we've talkedabout how you feel when you feel
depressed and you're like, thisis a physical thing.
(01:01:23):
And Olivia's like, if you lookat these, these chakra pictures,
this iss where you feel thisshit, and she's like, this is
where I feel this particularthing, and I Awesome.
She is really like, that's huge.
Trying to tease out and that'sgood.
What's OCD?
What's a DD?
What's depression?
What are, what are, what issuicidal ideation versus what's
(01:01:47):
an intrusive thought?
And she's like, all of thosethings get caught, like in these
different places on me.
And maybe I can use that as aclue to what, how worried I
should be about each of theseindividual things.
And, you know, combining thatwith her therapy, that's
amazing.
And her medication, I'm like,Hey, I, there's, there's no
(01:02:10):
reason not to, there's no reasonYeah.
That you should cut that offbecause it's a little bit
non-traditional.
I mean, look at, and that'sreally hard to do.
I may have to talk to herbecause I, that's one of the
things that I have so muchtrouble with, with, because with
my meditation practice and, andusing.
The breath work, the breathingthat I do, that's one of the
(01:02:33):
things I've been trying so hard,is to be able to pinpoint where
I feel whatever emotion ishappening.
Mm-hmm.
And I have a really hard timegoing anywhere, but right here,
it's just all in my shoulders.
All of my emotions are justright here.
Mm.
Responsibility.
And I try to not responsibility.
Right.
I try to not be like there likethat.
(01:02:55):
That's wrong.
'cause I know in meditation,like there's, you're not doing
it wrong, but there's a part ofmy brain that's like everybody
else is talking about theirfeeling things here and here and
here.
And literally every freakingemotion I have, it's just
everything hits right here.
Mm-hmm.
What's, why isn't that wrong?
Why would that be wrong?
And that's what I mean, I just,because I feel everybody else
(01:03:16):
feels like so all over the placelike Libby is, and so I feel
like there's something I'm notdigging deep enough into.
I feel everything.
I'm forcing everything hereinstead of just, well, there's a
lot of, lots of, lot ofpossibilities.
Um, I mean, and there could andwho cares, right?
We don't need to judge it.
Yeah.
I mean, seriously don't, yeah,I'm with what Christine was
(01:03:39):
saying, like we don't need tojudge the Yeah.
But like, and that's what I'vebeen just you bringing it up,
Christine, just talking aboutlike that's Yeah, I came across
this.
I don't care.
Um, amazing.
Uh, definitely responsibilitythat, so probably you've got
something.
So there's certain parts of whatwe can let go that you can do
(01:04:02):
through breath work and youdon't need to know what it was
like certain emotions.
There's also also things thoughthat we need to know about and
talk about to let go.
And so you need a mo modalitythat can expose what it is and
have the conversation where youdig deep enough with that.
Right.
And sometimes you even needsomething.
(01:04:22):
Like, for me, I needed to getstarted in this.
I needed hypno.
Um, which hypno is nothing likewhat you see on this, on the, on
the stage.
Cluck like a chicken or No, no.
It's like being hyper aware.
It's, it's similar.
I use a methodology called thetahealing, which is very similar.
You go into theta brainwave,which is way more easy for you
(01:04:46):
to, and it's a hyper awareness,I would say, like in a positive
way.
It feels like, like amazingplace of love.
Right.
So it's not like a freaky,psychedelic drug.
No, I, and that's, I'm justkidding.
But yeah, it's, it's a goodplace.
Yeah.
I, I'm, I'm one of those peoplethat doesn't, don't think that
you need help with doing this.
(01:05:07):
I, I don't think you need drugsor anything.
Yeah.
I mean, there is a lot of peoplethat do that, and I'm not like,
gonna speak against'em.
I know what they're doing.
I, I don't, I haven't tried thatmethod, so I just have to say
that, which, going back to theshit that's crazy and connected,
I literally just saw somethingtoday about psychedelic therapy
or something.
So Go ahead.
I was like, mm-hmm.
(01:05:27):
Oh, all right.
Okay.
Go it.
Yeah.
I think someday I'm gonna haveto change, try it, because I
don't know, without trying it,but I, but I don't really have
an interest at this point.
No.
Sorry, I totally threw us offthere.
Yeah.
I, I think this is, this is,this is a, this is a great place
to kind of like get to in that,you know.
Do just what Olivia said.
(01:05:48):
She's like, the, here's, here'swhat it, because, uh, my
daughter wants to be aneuroscientist.
She wants to figure out how dowe tease apart OCD from, from a
d, d, how do I, how do I figureout which one of these things it
is?
And I'm like, open.
Open yourself up to lots ofstuff.
Right now I'm like, you're ajunior in college.
(01:06:09):
You still have a whole two wholeyears left of mm-hmm.
Book learning.
And then, and then you'll end upin graduate school somewhere and
go someplace where people aredoing cool research.
Look, look into all of it.
Mm-hmm.
Like, yeah.
And she tried to, she tried toself-help herself when she was
like 12, 13.
She's like, I'm just gonna be awitch.
(01:06:31):
And that will, I remember thatI'm gonna collect all of these,
she rock crystals and put themall over my house.
Right.
We're gonna just collect all ofthese rocks and we're gonna put
'em out in the moonlight or thesunlight or whatever, and then
we're gonna, um, I'm gonna throwrosemary around my room and that
will fix me.
And I'm like, Hey, that'sawesome.
Maybe pick some of that back upand figure out is there, is
(01:06:52):
there anything to it?
And like there's nothing, you'renot gonna hurt anything.
No, I don't think, like you'renot gonna hurt yourself.
No, I mean the good news on thisstuff is we can learn a lot of
that stuff for fairly cheap.
Like you can go to cindydale.com with a, Cindy with an
ISYD, I don't know if I couldspell it.
S-S-Y-N-D-I dale.com.
(01:07:17):
DAL e.com.
And I got the Dale, right?
Yeah.
The other part of it.
I did that right.
And just buy a couple hundreddollars class about chakras and
she, she's an expert like I'llFor sure.
That's amazing.
Kevin, before we let you go, isthere anything we didn't ask you
that you wanna talk about?
(01:07:38):
I am thoroughly satisfied andwith all the conversation it was
beautiful.
Thank you very much for havingme.
Um, bye.
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